The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #125: Halloween (1978) & Halloween (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

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Welcome back one and all to the horror returns. I'm Philip, because Lance has left us this week, and he left me in charge, so we're going way off the fucking rails today. He's on a trip to Six Flags with his family. No fear. As always, we got Brian with us, and we have three awesome guests tonight. From the K-Fabulous Lutjo Brothers, it's Pedro Nunez. What's up?

From binge media, it's Jack Falvey, the fourth. Yo, yo, yo. It's Jack. Hey, come on, Sinalabob, we're going to Hollywood. Because it's an actor and filmmaker, Justin Xavier. How's it going, guys? Doing good. How's it going? Good, good, good. So, what do you guys have been doing this week? You got a cool of the week happening?

Yeah, I guess I'll take one first. God, so many awesome things were a week early for Red Dead Redemption. Fortunately, I can't speak on that, although that's definitely on the docket. But you know what? I'm going to go sporty here and say my Pat's beating the Chiefs. That was a nail biter. took a couple weeks off my life, but they pulled out to win, and I'm still here. So it's good.

Go Cowboys, by the way. They're finally fucking back on the game, sort of. Surprising fucking game, man. That was pretty awesome, actually. Anybody who can take out the Jags for a couple more games and give a little distance in the AFC, I'm all about that. They're a roller coaster. Sometimes I hate football, and sometimes I love it. Justin, what you got going?

Um, my cool of the week. What have I been up to? I haven't been watching a whole lot of stuff. I saw Halloween, obviously. Spoilers. Whoa. Yeah, just been working on a new draft of another script I'm producing later this year. Actually, just finished that up literally right before we started recording that.

This. Wow. Check it out. What's it called? It's called Roadhead. Oh. I like it. Paris Hilton was involved in that one?

Jeez, not. What you got going, Pedro? A little bit of a nail bit of a nail biter for me here, because I got my Dodgers right in the middle of the playoffs. Game 7 against the Brewers, it's actually happening right now. So I got on in the background. So if I have a heart attack, please don't fret too much.

And also, you know, just a lot of Halloween stuff. I mean, we're in the haunt season. I'm here in LA where there's all kinds of shit to do during. I'm sure there's a lot of things to do everywhere, but specifically here. You know, I went to Halloween Horror Nights over at Universal Studios about four days ago, my second time this year. And, you know, it's a lot of fun. They got the Maces there. Just kind of, you kind of step into the movies.

And then, obviously, I got to see Halloween. I actually just came back from it right now for my second time. So I saw it a couple weeks ago, and I saw it again right now just a little while ago. So that's pretty much it, you know, and just getting into the Halloween. season and watching a lot of horror films. Ooh, that'll be fun to see if your opinion may have changed. Brian, what you got? Just kind of burning through the haunting of hill house.

I'm still enjoying it. Just kind of, not trying to binge it, just a little bit here and there. Still enjoying it. And checked out sick for toys. Shit. Her Justin was coming on, so I wanted to check it out. And I loved it. I thought it was great.

Yeah? Awesome. Yeah, actually that was one of Michael of the weeks too. You know, we had Justin coming on, and so I was like, oh, shit, I still haven't watched the movie yet. So I jumped on it, and I went and paid money for it on Amazon. I don't imagine you get a whole lot of residuals from that, but just in case. I went ahead and paid for it. Yeah, I thought it was great.

It takes a little bit to get going, and then at the end of it, it is. it is it's a crazy ride it's definitely gritty for sure well i'm glad you all liked it and uh if you have any questions for me about it you know go go for it but that's not what we're here to talk about well it kind of was because i was like uh i don't want to talk too much about it because there's uh there's some spoilers and stuff that that i don't want to get into but if you guys haven't checked it out um it's on amazon prime you can rent it for like 399 uh it's totally worth a watch. Go check that one out. My not cool of the week, though, is the fucking Astros getting robbed in game 4, number

one. And then just slamming the brakes on the, on the momentum in game 5. So they got smoked. They're out. Let me just interrupt you by saying this, fuck the Astros. Yeah, because we beat until last year. People around me are very fucking happy that the Astros lost. I imagine. a non-stop thrill ride for the last couple of days. Well, I skipped our shameless prostitution section.

What do you guys want to plug? Pedro, do you have a... What are you up to? I did another podcast. I'm just talking kind of like a hodgeposh of just horror films. It's over at a Geekdom 101.1. lisbon, I believe.com. So if you guys want to check that out, I did that.

and that's pretty much it. You know, I just kind of keep him busy watching horror films, like I said earlier. Cool, cool. Jack, you got anything going on? Oh, man, there's always so much stuff going on at Binge. I mean, right now we're doing a little house cleaning for some of the better called Binge stuff. We've got commentaries coming up for those in the near future featuring Pete and M.C., who did all the work on the animating portion of those episodes.

We've got fresh episodes of movie homework rolling out, and for those that haven't listened yet, those are a little bit different than a binge cast where what we do is we kind of take Garrett's aftertaste framework, but we try to apply it to a single film. And we've started a little thing where Alex, Chad, C, and myself do a theme to the three films that we choose. So the current theme that we're finishing up with Dial M for Murder is a series of of movies that have been remade. So I think our first one was,

what was it, Sleuth, then we did Syspira and Dialin for Murders coming up soon, and then on that episode, we'll announce what the next theme is, and we'll kind of go from there. And then, yeah, just a lot more after-taste stuff.

I know we're doing Harry Potter right now. We've got some stuff playing before the end of the year. Small-screen Heroes is still going strong. We're talking about bringing back the Gamecast again. We're just trying to figure out a format for it. And, yeah, the usual nonsense. Yeah, you mentioned Red Debbed Redemption earlier. Is that one coming out on Xbox?

It is. And next Friday it releases. I have already put in for a day off work. I will be streaming it all day over on Mixer. So if anybody wants to check it out, or if you're killing your afternoon, sitting behind a desk, Friday, you know, mixer.com slash Jack Falvi-I-V. I will be on.

Not a bad deal. I may have to go buy a fucking game finally. It's been a while, but I'm going to jump on that one. Definitely excited. Justin, what do you got going? Aside from your producing. Well, I also have one podcast available on binge media where Garrett Collins interviewed me. And yeah, Sick for Toys is available to rent or buy anywhere that you rent or buy movies online.

Amazon iTunes, voodoo, whatever, etc. That shit was crazy. They were like, hey, yeah, one of our buddies is in a movie. Let's check it out. And I'm like, oh, you're all right, whatever. And I was like, wow, this is a legit movie. It's a real fucking thing, man. It was awesome.

Yeah, that's how we do. All right. So, Brian, we got any horror headlines happening this week? We got a little bit. Has anybody ever heard of the game, Monster, Hunt? hunter. Oh yeah. A lot of monster hunter. All right, good, good Jack. Yeah, because

I have no idea what this is. All right. So it's, it's a heavily, how to even fucking explain this game, it's a Japanese-influenced monster hunting game, hence the fucking title.

But it's difficult to describe. If you've ever played a Final Fantasy game where it just has like these weird decisions, like fucking cats cook food for you in the game and also do like all your, a lot of your

gear crafting and shit. But... Very Japanese? Yeah, I mean, the central idea is like you go to these areas and you level up and you fight these main monsters and you just grind. Like, if you've ever played an RPG where you just like collecting resources and building shit

and all that kind of stuff, um, the last one that came out was Monster Hunter World. Um, Kupka and I, over at Binge, we, we played that quite a bit when it released. But, uh, it's just one of those games. It never fucking ends. Like, it, it, it just, they just keep upping the levels and you just keep going and going and, you know, whatever. Okay. Well, do you, do you see this becoming a movie? Uh, no. There's no story. So, I don't understand what the fuck they're going to make, but.

That's interesting, because, um, there is a bunch of people that have joined the cast. We have Mila Jovovich, Ron Perlman, Tony Jai, and Megan Good have all been announced for the movie. And Ova Bull is going to direct, right? Obviously. Oh, Jesus. That's quite the VOD cast right, the dream cast right there. Yeah.

Tony Jai, Milovovich. I mean, that's not bad. But, I mean, guys, aside from Resident Evil, when's last time a video game movie actually fucking worked? I couldn't tell you. All the top of my head, I don't have an answer. Yeah. And, yeah, not a lot of news.

There's a couple questions. David Gordon Green would like to direct a Critters or Goolies movie. Do you see that happening? I think with the kind of money this film is going to make this weekend, he's going to get to do whatever he wants. That's what I think. Because it's already, I think, Halloween's already has the record for, like, the best October opening and the best Blum House opening of all time.

So this thing's going to rack it in and he's pretty going to get carte blanche to do whatever he wants. That's kind of odd choices, but, you know, he's kind of a horror fanboy, so I guess it makes sense. Yeah. My theater, it's a little podhunk theater down here in Galveston. And I mean, like, Avengers fucking opening weekend on Friday night, I was able to just walk up and get a ticket.

It wasn't sold out or anything. So normally if I go during the day on a Friday to a movie, that shit is empty. And Halloween was, I mean, packed as far as this theater is concerned. There was at least fucking 25 people in there, which is a lot for this one. Damn. All right then. I assume it did pretty well over the country. Yeah, packed theater for us as well.

So, interesting, Monster Hunter. I don't see it. But, you know, whatever. I'm not writing the check. So. And finally, with Halloween getting what they're calling us, a soft reboot, Danny McBride would like Fantasm, the Fantasm franchise, to get a soft reboot. Any thoughts on that?

I don't know if that would work to a modern audience. There's five of them. And they're all kind of wacky in their own way. And it's kind of, there's a lot of surrealism in those films. So I don't know how much they would translate over to, like a mainstream audience. It's not, it's not as straightforward as the Halloween franchise or, you know, like

a nightmare on Alm Street franchise. This one's a little more like cerebral and has a lot of surrealism. So I don't know. I don't know about that one. Yeah. Yeah, Fantasim has never been one of my favorites. And that last one that we watched was well. You're talking

about Ravager? Yeah. Oh, okay. Pretty bad. I mean, if they were going to do a new Fantasim, I feel like they have to the Inception Doctor Strange route and then maybe they have something. Like, that surrealist crazy MC Escher shit

I could kind of see them going for something like that, you know? But I don't know. It's kind of with Pedro there. I don't really, I don't know if it would work. Halloween is a different thing. Like, the first one was the most successful indie film of all time

for a long time. Everybody's heard of Michael Myers. Yeah, I mean, it created a genre, you know? There's so much equity in the Halloween franchise, whereas Fantasm is more of a niche, you know, cold following kind of thing. And even then, like, even me, like, I'm a hardcore whore guy, and I've never really kind of enjoyed the Fantasum films. You know, Don Coscarelli himself doesn't even know what the fuck he's doing with these films because he's admitted it. He's like, you know, it could be a dream. It could not be a dream.

I don't know. You know, it's a coping mechanism for the brother, whatever. And so it's like, once I hear stuff like that, I completely. completely checked out, you know, because if the artist doesn't know what the fuck is doing, then I'm not going to invest in it myself. So, um, that would be a tough sound, no matter how you slice or dice at that, Phantasm reboot to a mainstream audience. But again, hey, they got, they got a, you know, they could do whatever they want after this weekend.

Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, like 10 people walking down the street, if you grabbed them and said, have you ever seen Fantasim, how many of them are going to say yes? Or even know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I doubt. You know, maybe one if they're all like past the age of like 35.

Yeah. No millennials at all. No, no, definitely not. And that is all the news we have. All right. Time to take a trip in our VW bus down to the trailer park because we've got a lot of people in this one. That's the bus.

Get it. So this week we're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about? The first one we're going to talk about is the possession of Hannah Grace. Now, this is starring Shea Michelle and Kirby Johnson. And forgive me, if I butcher this name, this is directed by Diedrich von Ruhin. What did you guys think of the possession of Hannah Grace?

Oh, man. In a way. Very definition of by the numbers You know you check out the boxes And you know they start your typical suits Your accountants your lawyers up there And trying to you know make a movie for what they think It's a you know

A general audience And it's the same shit man It's so generic and you know soulless So that's what I got out of the trailer Oh dude I loved it I love possession movies though That's my jam Like all those dumb possession movies on Netflix

I'll go through and watch them all I probably have already. And I was excited by this one, and it kind of gave me goosebumps. It looked like there was another one that they did in a morgue with somebody that was dead that kind of came back. What was that? That's exactly what I was single. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that's a great movie because that movie, like the third act, you know,

throws everything completely upside down and has a great reveal at the end. I don't want to spoil it for the people that haven't seen it. But it turns out to be something that it wasn't. First of all, it's nowhere. It's not explaining the. the trailer you would never get what it's about by watching the trailer. And at the end of the film, you're just kind of like, I really enjoy that movie a lot. That was a great film.

Well, that is the thing that interested me about this trailer was it looks like they've combined that movie with all of your standard possession movies. And I'm always a fan of a mishmash of two subgenre. Hey, demonic possession. Sign me up. I don't care. I'll be it. I may not be the person I asked for this. And this is getting a release of November 30th.

Probably video on demand, right? I don't know. I got it in front of Halloween yesterday. So it might get the... Oh, really? Yeah, I think it said theaters at the end of the trailer. So I'll go watch this one on the big screen. You know, good fun holiday movie.

Let's review it. I'm pushing for it. I signed on a petition. Lance probably hated the trailer, so I don't know. And our final trailer we are going to review is the curse of Lila Rona. And this is starring Linda Cardalini, Patricia Belasquez, and Tuko Salamanca. I mean, Raymond Cruz. Yeah.

What did you guys think of this trailer? Uh, well, I was, uh, excuse me, a little more into this one. Um, I guess this director is the guy that they chose for Conjuring 3. And, um, I don't know, it looks, uh, it looks very conjuring. I'm sure that's all on purpose. I mean, if you look at the poster, it's also very conjuring. Um, it's in the universe. It looks very, oh, is it officially? It's produced by James 1. The, the priest that's in the trailer is the same priest. Um, I looked it up. Oh, son of a bitch. From the first Annabelle movie. Oh, wow. Okay, all right. Well, that makes sense then. Yeah, I mean, you know, this seemed like a real, I don't even know how I would describe this, like a concept trailer almost.

Like, they show you a full scene from the movie pretty much because I'm sure nobody else had never heard anything of this outside of this fucking trailer. But, yeah, I'm, I'm interested. I'm interested. I have heard of it because my wife is Mexican, which means we will definitely go see it. It almost looked a little by the numbers now that you mention it to me. But if it's in the Conjuring universe and James Wanis producing, that adds a little bit of validity to it for me.

So I'm definitely there. It feels like it's in the Conjuring universe, and it looks effective. I thought the kids look like they're pretty decent little actors. And it's the same kind of scares that they always put in these conjuring trailers where you just sit on a shot for a really long time and then something pops out of the darkness in the background. Yeah. Very jump scary. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah, I was going to say, I actually did a whole episode with Danny Louis and his old podcast talking about the actual tale of Laiorona. So this is going to be interesting. They've never kind of used that myth as a format for a movie. So I'm interested to see how it comes out. But it's like Philip was saying, that's kind of a big deal in Mexico. That's one of the little folk tales that they tell the little kids to put them to sleep, which is weird, I know. But if you don't go to sleep, you're going to have a lot of not coming after you. And she's looking for her kids.

So be careful. And then that's pretty much it. And I don't know how that's supposed to help you go to sleep. But I would think it would keep you up longer. but it's, you know. And so, yeah, that's going to be interesting. I'm definitely going to check it out. And then plus, like you guys said,

once it's in the Conjuring universe, James Wan, at the very least, we're going to get a very, very well-produced film. You know, it's going to look nice. And, you know, so that's pretty good. Cool. All right. Release date, April 19th. And that is our final trailer.

Ooh, that one's a ways off. All right. So we'll burn through some listener feedback real quick because I'm pretty sure we're going to have a lot to talk about with the new Halloween movie and five people on. So we'll start with our resident 31 Days of Halloween reviewer, Marcus Will Turner. This guy's had some awesome reviews lately, and he does not stop there. So 31 Days of Horathon number 12, Green Room. It was a relentless, gruesome trip if I ever saw one, a bad night to end all bad nights that kept

his tension strong and blood flowing. While it was bittersweet seeing the always consistent Anton Yeltsin, oh yeah. As he gives one of his last great performances, it was Imogen Potts and Sir Patrick Stewart that really stole the whole show as the film progressed. All in all, I thoroughly liked this violent and sadistic ride, 8 out of 10. I'll take it. Good movie.

Nice. number 13 although not particularly frightening 13 sins I've never seen it played around with a different kind of fear being broke and the desperation that comes with it and through this fear an interesting premise on how far a person would go to become rich comes to fruition

while not the most depraved film I've seen the bleak journey of a bereft men committing unsavory acts was funny unpredictable and graphic. Also, the finale brought some turns that I really enjoyed, and even though this flick totally wasted Ron Perlman, not the only movie to do that. I was nevertheless engaged throughout. Another adequate 13 film, if you just want something other than Fridays.

7.5 out of 10. Okay. Number 14. Ugh. Just ugh. Turnoble Diaries. is a film that proves two facts that should be acknowledged in the genre. One, a great location does not make a great film.

And two, characters should have a modicum of common freaking sense in order for us, the viewers, to care if they make it out of whatever terrifying situation they're in. And that's where this concept goes awry in so many disastrous ways. I wonder what he thinks about this one. The fact that these ignorant dumbasses actually go to Chernobyl willingly for some extreme tourism or whatever is beyond insulting. I could forgive the insipid dialogue, amateurist presentation, and even the predictable scares, but that I just couldn't get past. I held on to see if it would get better, but it never did. Not even a little.

So yeah, don't waste your time on this. It's clunky, putrid, and completely stupid. But again, just a rating 1 out of 10. Correct. Wow. It was rough. I do remember that was one of the last theatrical found footage films that was released. I think they had that like a Phoenix 97.

I think that was like last year. But before that, I think the Chernobyl Diaries was one of the last one. So definitely run its course with this found footage stuff. And I do remember it sucked too. So he's on point on that. I remember watching it. I don't remember hating it that much. Jesus Christ, Fannie.

Put this one on fucking fire. 31 Days of Horathon number 15 and 16. Back to the Conjuring Universe. I love the Conjuring too so much that I decided to dive into the spin-offs of this ambitious universe James Wan constructed. And with that came the double feature of Annabel and Annabelle Creation.

two spooky stories about the origin and travels of a creepy doll that gets a kick out of terrorizing anyone who owns her or creates her. The film first has some sharp scares, or the first film has some sharp scares in tight runtime, yet the whole titular doll, unfortunately, made more of a presence than the actual characters in the story, making the whole thing seem kind of average. But once the second film started,

everything was elevated significantly in quality providing an insanely freaky and superior experience creation delivered the goods where the first film faltered and I was definitely engaged

satisfied and a little rattled once the credits rolled except that what's her name Lulu whatever Brian Lulu Wilson fuck it that girl man she tries me nuts

ratings Annabelle is five out of ten Annabel Creation is eight out of ten I can go with that Josh Youngblood says man that kid gets slammed by that car in the beginning of creation

Oh I remember that scene Yeah It really looked like they ran a kid over in that scene I know I kind of thought they did for a second You know like that I was in a serial fast That's a good example of when you have a great filmmaker as opposed to like a studio kind of like, you know, cash a paycheck filmmaker.

Because David Samburg, who kind of blew up with lights out, I think it was like from two years ago. And he actually got the gig for Shazam, which is coming out next year. Yeah, he just came and, you know, he made chicken sat out of chicken shit. He got a script. He polished it up. And Annable Creation was a goddamn good surprise. And, you know, it kind of revitalized the conjuring universe.

and it kind of allowed the nun to kind of build that steam that it needed after the how bad the original Annabelle had flopped, you know? So yeah, so that's definitely one of the lessons there. You've got to put some competent filmmakers behind these projects and give them a little bit of freedom. And, you know, they could do wonders sometimes. Fuck yeah. And about creation was a creepy-ass movie.

Yeah, yeah. Sarah Grantham says the first one deserves more than a five out of ten. That was an awesome movie. I think five's generous. Yeah, Sarah, I think you're in the minority on that one. Kevin Nez says El Royale. Oh, I was wondering what he thought about this one. He says it was hella good.

Lance, I'm with you, nine out of ten. Oh, God. I don't know. Okay, so I haven't seen it, but I mean, I've heard this is a very polarizing film here. It seems neat. And it's like. Why? I don't understand why.

I like it. I mean, my concern is that you have a lot of people say it's saying it's boring and it's kind of bloated in the middle. And to me, I mean, I hope that's not them confusing that with some sort of character development and maybe world building a little bit. But if it's not, then it's not. You know, I haven't seen it. So that's my concern going into it because I look at that runtime and it's like, shit, it's two hours and 20 minutes, you know? And but I'm going to go check it out probably tomorrow. But it's certainly a polarizing film.

the only thing I'd say about that is there is a very well-worn saying no good movies too long and no bad movie's too short for what it's worth bad times at the El Royale is like two hours and 20 minutes 30 minutes something like that

it felt like it was about 15 hours long and it had about five minutes worth of story so it's if I'm I'm going to rate this on the Chad C. Binge Views scale. It's not the worst thing I've seen,

but it's a soft stream it, I think. All right, all right. This is like seven and a half out of ten, but I would describe it as like if Quentin Tarantino had a heart. We had a whole. Wait a way, we're talking about it. We had a heart. Yeah, like his movie, like I love Quentin Tarantino.

I love Quentin Tarantino movies, but his movies are mean to all of his characters. At the end of every one of them, everybody dies. It's like if Quentin Tarantino had some of his characters make decisions that were out of the kindness of their hearts a couple of times in the movie, that's bad times at the El Royale. And I really appreciated that about it. All right. I kept comparing it to Tarantino and Lance thought I was crazy. Of course, he said it felt like it was maybe an hour long. Yeah

It felt a little long But it didn't feel It didn't feel 15 hours long No, I did though Totally did They could have cut 20 minutes out maybe But you know I enjoyed it

I had fun time This is a crazy That one's super polarizing It sounds like the new Halloween's gonna be polarizing Too I can't wait to talk about that Yeah Yeah I've already started seeing some of that online

You're right It is gonna be a little polarizing Might be polarizing here we'll see we'll find out in a minute oh i'm sure it is that's why i'm burning through this uh regarding the poster for drag the cross concrete oh that one looks good uh be germine hey check that out got it first time yeah uh i'm seeing this at monster fest here in belborn next month can't wait uh oh here's one lar's from denmark hallowing 2018 review i was looking so forward to this movie but boy oh boy oh boy

it was very disappointing. This movie is slow like a snail and the buildup takes forever. There are some cool and scary scenes, but too little too late. I don't like the old and crazy lorry. It's too much like Sarah Connor. Get drunk before you see this and maybe you'll be entertained.

And then he says, okay, now I've slept on it. This movie's not that bad. I was just expecting more. I believe Halloween fans will like it, and I hope they make a sequel. So that was polarizing just, to one person. You know, far

be it for me to make assumptions, but I'm going to go ahead and, you know, assume that this guy's a millennial and he wrote us to us, you know, so because that was my... That's definitely not, man. He's an old metal head. He's crazy.

Okay, well, that's cool because the thing about Halloween 1978, I mean, there is no way these millennials are going to be able to stay up for that one. That one is all built. It's literally all built. Yeah. Up in the third act where you get the payoff, but Yeah, we'll get to when we start talking about this film. I thought it was well balanced as far as,

but I have gotten a lot of people saying that it takes a while to get going. But to me, it's just like, I mean, that's just a sign of the times we're in, you know, where people don't have any patience. So, you know, we'll talk about it right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on to that. We'll definitely get to it. But this guy flip-flopping back and forth, man, what's up with that? You know, he wakes up the next day.

It's like, you know what, it's not that bad. All right, go check it out. Polarizing to everybody even within themselves. Mark Ball says have to politely disagree. I think it's light years better than four through eight. And the Rob Zombie Films. Our friend Marcus also asks, we've had Freddy versus Jason,

Alien versus Predator, and even the Grudge versus the Ring. Have there been any other horror icons you guys wanted to see Collide in all these years? Wait, is there a movie called Grudge versus the Ring? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude, it's kind of awesome.

It's not called Grudge versus the Ring. It's called the two villains, the girl that comes out of the Samara versus the the Juon girl. Yeah, but it's more of a dark comedy. It's not a horror film. It's a dark comedy. What? It's stupid and just as insane as it sounds.

Yeah, exactly. Well, I have to check that out. Yes. I also have to see this. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun movie. It's a lot lighter than its predecessors on both sides.

So you guys should definitely check it out. Is it just what? It's like one girl crawling out of the TV and the other girl like in the blankets of the bed, like making the weird noise at her. And then they just make sounds at each other and make fun calls. They bring the universe together. Like one person gets cursed. And so they they like purposefully curse somebody else to get these two demons to face each other and hopefully get it alive.

It's crazy It does sound like a comedy That sounds pretty cool And let's see Brian You jumped in on this one Said just have Ash go up At least

Go up against at least The top five horror icons And I'm all in Yep Yeah Okay Sold I don't know man

I think they kind of watered down Ash a little bit With this television series I mean I was digging the first Not the I mean, the first season I thought was, you know, not that good. The pilot was excellent. I thought the pilot could have been its own movie. I mean, just the way he brought the dead-eyed's bag.

It's just so typical ash, right? The first two episodes of the first season is great. Then it takes this weird nosedive where it's kind of just kind of a monster of the week show for a while. And then season two really picked it up with the mythology of the films, which I thought was excellent. And then season three kind of nosedive. It didn't nosedive as bad as the tail end of season one, but it certainly wasn't as good. good at season two. So, so I don't know, it was just too much yuck yuck and, you know, they really kind of went way overboard with the mythology, I think. So I don't know, I thought it watered down

the character. But then again, it's a television show. You have to, you know, you have to be episodic. You have to kind of, you know, put enough episodes in there to where it is going to water down anything. So, but yeah, I just don't see Ash the same way anymore. Oh, I don't know, man. I think that they couldn't have put anybody better than Bruce Campbell and something like that, man, that was tailor-made for him. Yeah, well, he did a great job. I mean, he did a great job. I mean, some of the story got some problems. Yeah, I could definitely see that.

It was definitely a TV show, and it got a little chinty sometimes. Yeah. Well, that's it for listener feedback. Thanks to everybody who reaches out to us. You can always reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com. Don't forget, we're still running the contest, so be sure to give us a five-star rating on iTunes. And as soon as we get our design in, we're going to get you a free t-shirt.

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And now it's 10. now it's time for our featured attractions. This one's exciting, guys. We take a look at the new film Halloween, as well as the 1978 John Carpenter OG Halloween, even though they're both called Halloween. So, Halloween 1978, trivia, director John Carpenter.

And if you don't know what else he's known for, then this is probably your first time to listen to this show. But a lot of shit. writers are John Carpenter and Deborah Hill. From a budget of $300,000, the film went on to gross $47 million at the box office. In 2008, takings from that would be the equivalent of $150 million, making Halloween one of the most successful independent films of all time. The mask for Michael Myers, I'm sure you guys know a little bit about this,

but it was only described as having the pale neutral features of a man. And the movie design was boiled down to two options. Both were cheap latex masks, painted white, and bought for under $2 a piece at the local toy stores by a production designer Tommy Lee Wallace. One was a replica mask of a clown character named Weary Willie, popularized by actor Emmett Kelly, and the other was a stretched out Captain Kirk. mask from Star Trek. Carpenter chose Captain Kirk because of its eerily blank stare that fit perfectly

with the Myers character. So, of course, Captain Kirk and Michael Myers. There you go. What did you guys think about the original? I mean, you can't talk about the... I don't even know where to start. It's my... It's one of my favorite horror films.

I think you hear that from a lot of people. It's almost become cliched to say that, but it just, it's, for me, it's perfection. I mean, yeah, you had Black Christmas before this, and, you know, there's a lot of other horror films that predate this one, but there's just something about this movie, just the purity of it, the, just everything about it. I mean, the music is phenomenal.

The performances, you know what? You can nitpick every movie you love. I mean, you can pick out when in The Godfather, when Sonny is throwing his punches when he's beating the fuck out of Carlo, you know, on the street corner of New York. I mean, you can nitpick all you want. But I just think the atmosphere, the mood,

everything about this movie just works so well for me and it just continues to work well. It's absolutely one of my favorites. I watch it once a year. stereotypically on Halloween. You know, it's just, it's a classic. It's a classic for a reason. Yeah, I was going to say this is a great film to watch.

If you want to study how to craft some tension and suspense, I know John Carpenter was a huge Alfred Hitchcock fan. And a lot of the film, the way he set up the film was kind of things that he learned from Alfred Hitchcock. And yeah, this is my second favorite movie of all time. I mean, this is one of the films that inspired me to go to film school. And it's just an amazing film. And it's not even about the story. It's about everything, the craftsmanship, the design, the stage.

Everything about this film is perfection, you know. And to think about how, and this happens a lot with these kind of classic films. So think about how the people, the filmmakers, the production team, they didn't really know what the fuck they were doing. It's always interesting to hear that because we kind of have so much respect for them, for being able to kind of create this film and you know it says a lot about making movies and how a lot of times you got to kind of work with what you have and that would that happen here so um no yeah it's it's it's a classic and and like like jack was saying it still holds up

anybody that's that wants to watch something fresh that's never seen it they need to see it and really just enjoy the ride because it really is a scary film especially the third act if you've never seen this film and you have no reference point it's really it's a really good film and it's a really scary film, so people should check it out. I mean, anybody that's listening to this, probably already saw it, but just, there might be that one person. It's a classic. If you haven't seen it in a while, go check it out again. Well, here's where I say that I, until about three weeks ago, I had never seen any Halloween movie.

Whoa. And so three weeks ago, I watched the original, and the only other Halloween movie that I've seen is this new, one. So I've seen just the two. The original Halloween, Pedro, even though I'm a millennial, I loved it. Hey, look at that. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. So we're not all bad. That's right. It's like what they say. Even a broken watch is right twice a day. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah, I get to be right twice a day. And today one of those times will be

about the original Halloween when I say it's great. I loved it. I'm relatively new to horror, but it's nice to go back and see where all these clichés came from, and so many of them seem to have been invented in that movie. Yeah, and that's the thing. Sometimes it's hard to give perspective to this film, you know, talking about modern times, because a lot of these pioneer films, they've been

kind of copied to death, right? And they've been parody. and all this, that or the other thing. But what we have to take into consideration when we watch these films is that at that time, nobody had done that. This was the first, you know? And, you know, we're talking about, like Jack was talking about Citizen Kane a few months ago. And it's the same thing with that film. It's like, somebody that watches it now is like, what's the big deal, you know?

But you've got to understand that these techniques were created for that particular film. Same thing with Halloween. And then once these kind of films inspire other filmmakers, they're going to kind of, you know, they're going to attribute it or copy it. or copy it or however you want to put it. And so it becomes a cliche after a while. And it gets, it gets harder and harder to kind of appreciate how original these films are.

And this one, again, it's the same thing. But this one, what separates this one from the knockoffs, it's the talent behind this film, because you can't replicate talent. And so, you know, the suspense aspect of this film is something that other filmmakers haven't been able to replicate. And so that's where this film kind of still stands out. I think it's also important to mention, too, that in the DNA of this movie is very much the history of horror films, too, right?

I mean, you know, before Halloween, I mean, it still is. Psycho is one of the biggest horror movies ever, right? Suspense thrillers, and obviously, like you were saying, Pedro, like, the respect to Hitchcock and all that stuff. Yeah. You know, Jamie Lee Curtis, the daughter of Janet Lee. the fact that he uses a kitchen knife, same as the killer in Psycho. There's a lot of stuff in this film that harkens back to the stuff that inspired John Carpenter. I mean, if I remember correctly, isn't it the thing from another planet on the TV at one point, too?

Yes, it is. Yeah, the kids are watching it. So there you go. The thing, it's like one of his follow-up movies to this a couple years later. I mean, it's just, you know, when you have, and it's kind of like the Taranty. know thing, right? Like when you have somebody who has a talent, but also is making film that references the stuff that inspired them, you know, everybody does this. The right when Spielberg, Eastwood, I mean, all of them. That's an important piece of the puzzle too that the, the imitators

don't really, don't really have, you know, so. Yeah, and speaking of Hitchcock, I don't know if you guys can hear that shit the back. background but uh my wife is watching birds with the kids in the other room oh okay no fucking joke but sorry about the background noise if it comes in uh yeah man this is okay so with me uh I think the Exorcist is what is maybe the first really scary movie that I caught that that that like really grabbed me and so I went looking and searching out for all of the scariest shit that I can find. And this one always pops off on the list. It's a classic. So when I first watched it as a kid,

I was really expecting something terrifying. And that's not really what I got. You know, I mean, there's a lot of buildup. It is a straightforward story. I mean, you know, guy escapes from the middle, from the mental institution and kills people. And that's it. And, uh, uh, uh, When I was younger, I don't think I appreciate it as much as I do now. After watching it many, many times, I do love this movie. It's definitely a classic. But, I mean, it's a classic for a reason, but there is a lot of really slow-moving stuff in here. A lot of real slow character building, the really grainy footage, which actually adds to the creepiness.

I love the whole Michael Myers the sitting up thing that he does once you think that he's dead is great Oh, that musical cue? Oh my God. One of the greatest moments of all times. Everything, the music, and let's talk about Dean Kundi for a minute

who was the director of photography. I mean, I think this was his... He would go on to win Academy Awards and stuff, you know, become kind of a big deal, but it was kind of like his first or second film. And a lot of the film's look is thanks to him, you know and you know you talk about that classic scene where Michael Myers comes out of the shadow from the closet you know manipulating the light right there yeah just just the way they stage uh Pasadena

California which is like two minutes away from me here um to look you know to look very suburban you know and and that's another thing the film itself the setting itself is a character when you think about this movie and a lot of it was Dean Kundi's doing you know and and so again it took a team but a very talented team of people. You know, Nick Castle being the shape, you know, I mean, he created the movement for Michael Myers. You know, that, a lot of the sequels couldn't even duplicate, you know.

And so, yeah, it was kind of a perfect storm of a lot of talented people coming together and creating this masterpiece. And, you know, I mean, by today's standards, and they bring it up in the new film, he only kills like fucking five people. It's, you know, it's a little

tame. But, I think given the atmosphere and the setting, if you just let go and watch this movie, it is a classic. It is so great. And I love it so much more than I did the first time that I watched it. And I rewatched it right before I went to go see the new Halloween movie and loved every second of it.

Brian, what do you think? I don't really think there's nothing much to be said. I mean, you guys said at all. This movie is iconic. It is one of my favorites of all time. I do watch it every Halloween. And one thing we didn't really talk about is, I think is the best portrayal of Michael Myers played by Nick Castle. Just everything he does as Michael Myers, the movement, you know, that head tilt he does in the movie.

Yes, love it. Everything from the music, just it's a classic. I mean, it has his problems too now. Let's not let's not get. You know, how this guy know how to drive, which of course they bring him in the movie. you know it's like this fucking guy he's driving what 200 miles to haddonfield uh you know never never stops for gas you know and then and then those physics of when he kills bob it just kind of uh they never really work for me and we get the classic head tilt but you got that six six inch little

knife you know keeping this guy up in the wall like some sort of portrait you know and it's like it always fuck with me but it's just funny to me now it's still a great scene you know um yeah the knife's not even all the way in the body. I love that they brought it up, though, because I had the same thought when I was first watching it on rewatch this time. I was like, how the fuck does he know how to drive? He got in there when he was like six. And then they mentioned it.

Like two minutes later, I was like, well, now that they addressed it, I guess I can't have a problem with it. Well, it's pretty cool, because even in their universe, they don't know how the fuck he learned how to drive. So the fact that they brought it up kind of my criticism. a little bit, you know? See, now, that's actually one of the things that I like about the, I don't, maybe not the theme of the movie, but, but like the way that they craft Michael Myers and how people talk

about him in the original, like, you know, the whole idea, you know, that's the boogeyman or, you know, does the boogeyman exist and all of that stuff? You know, I really like, we all like certain types of stories, right? I mean, the hero's journey is very easy to map out, whether it's Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker or whatever. You know, those have certain steps and beats, right? And we kind of know what those are and we expect a certain thing out of them. Right. Well, for me, I've always loved the first Halloween because it's about unstoppable evil.

You know, and it's about what to do in the face of that. and it not making sense and not having a logical explanation as to why it's coming after you or just being caught in the crosshairs for no fucking reason, right? I mean, I think that's a big part of why I always loved the first one and never was really on board with any of the sequels. I just feel like it's a better story if it's random, if it's just this thing happened, this shape is able to be on one, side of the room and then the other side of the room in the next moment or the shape is able to

drive a car even though really in the real world there are some questions there um you know i just i've always really liked the the the fable aspect of it you know um so those things have always just worked for me i never really i don't know i don't really consider them i think that the way It's a... They set up, it's almost like a fairy tale, like a really dark fairy tale in a way. What did you guys... What did you guys think about, like...

Okay, so at the very end there, when they pull his mask off and he starts flipping the fuck out and his eyeballs all jacked up because he got stabbed with a hanger, you think they should have showed his face? No, because the whole idea was that it's pure evil, so you don't want to humanize them.

Yeah. You know, and I thought it was very clever that they never actually showed his face. I mean, you get that glimpse of it there, like you said, but certainly the idea wasn't that he was even human at times, you know? And so that's one of the reasons why the mask is kind of plain as well. So, no, I think one of the, they never knew they were going to make all these sequels or create a universe around this guy.

So I think they got very fortunate in that they didn't show his face because that was part of the myth later on and that kind of created a whole new identity for Michael Myers. So no, definitely. they shouldn't have shown his face, no. Yeah, I think I kind of agree with you. I mean, I liked that scene. I liked the moment, the freak out thing that he did.

But I, yeah, maybe they shouldn't have shown that. And the thing to me is that, again, you know, one of the biggest criticisms of this new film was about how they didn't take into consideration even part two, which is kind of connected to the original 78 one. But the idea there was that in part two, they reveal that their brother and sister. And that was one of the things that John Carpenter has always regretted.

And that kind of, what that did is that it kind of allowed the general audience to disconnect himself emotionally because now he had a target, which is his family. So at that point subconsciously, as a viewer, you feel okay now. That's right. When there was this randomness in the first one, you know, anybody could be susceptible to this maniacs, you know, killing spree. So that's one of the reasons why when he fell off of the balcony there and he's not there anymore, you know, in the less jaded society that we had in 1978, you know, you could leave your theater and he's still out there. You don't know where he's at because they didn't kill him. So this idea that, you know, their brother and sister is like, okay, well, then I'm cool. Then I could go home because it's not about me anymore. But no, but one of the biggest, scariest things about part one is just the simple fact of why. her why the three babysitters that's really fucking creepy to me and that's why that's one of the reasons why this movie works and so that that's why you know the whole breck con about them being brother

and sister always never really sat well with me and that's why they kind of eliminated her from this next film because it isn't it didn't sit well with them either yeah see i always had it stuck in my head that uh you know that was that's that's his sister and then after after watching it again And I was like, wait a minute, they never fucking mentioned that. So in the first one, it's not at all. It's completely random. And I hadn't really read much about this one until after I'd seen it, the new one. But yeah, I mean, even in the preview, they mentioned that it was a rumor that it was her brother.

And that's not the case in this one. Yeah. And this one also started the concept of the final growth, because, You know, even going back to Black Christmas from 1976, you do have a final girl there, but she's like, she's pregnant, you know. So there's a lot of, this one was the one that established the virginal aspect of the final girl going through this great trauma to kind of welcome in her official womanhood. You know, scholars have written articles about this whole final girl thing for years, trying to explain how a woman kind of passes through this journey and, you know, to this kind of right of passage deal and becomes a woman, right? So this is one of the first, if not the first. You know, maybe someone in Italy did it before that, but I've never heard of it.

So it's like, yeah, this was one of the first films where you had the actual definition of what a final girl is. And, you know, to that point, Michael Myers was never after Lori Strode. And that's another recant that has been kind of, you know, told by a lot of people. It's like, he was after those three girls. And she just so happened to be the last one. This whole idea that Michael Myers had an agenda against Lori. It's not really even established in the first one. It just so happened that he happened to cross past with her last.

So, I mean, little things like that kind of got muddled through the years. But this is definitely a maniac versus three babysitters. That's really the plot of this film in simplistic terms. Yeah. Well, and it's a pretty simplistic pot. Scores? Oh, it's a 10 on 10 for me. Yeah.

Classic. Yeah, I mean, I'm in the same boat. It's perfect 10. I give it a 9. Nice. That's good. That's good, man. Yeah, nice great, too. I'm going to go, I'm going to say 9.5. It's not my favorite horror movie ever, but it's definitely up there, man. It's classic. It gets a 10 for me.

Nice. I figured as much. All right. On to the new. Halloween, which it seems like maybe they could have named it something different. Yeah, because there's officially three of them. So there's the Rob Zombie Halloween, there's this Halloween, and there's the original Halloween. So like, how many fucking Halloween are we going to have? And there's how many Halloween twos is there? There's two Halloween twos.

It should be Halloween two, three. Yeah. There's too much math. We may run into that. Let's see what happens. The director is David Gordon Green, also known for Pineapple Express and Joe. Fucking sold. Writers, David Gordon Green, and Danny McBride, and Jeff Fradley.

Jake Gyllenhaal had convinced Jamie Lee Curtis to reprise her role of Laurie Strode for the film. Jake is a family friend of Curtis's and is dubbed by her an unofficial godson. I didn't know that. It's interesting. When Danny McBride was promoting Alien Covenant on the Nerdist podcast with Chris Hardwick and asked on this unusual project for him, McBride responded,

there's more to life than dick and fart jokes. It's fun and quite honestly pretty terrifying to Virgin and New Territory. Now, it's accidentally even more terrifying, not because of this character, but the history of the franchise and the reputation of remakes. We want to do something special, and I need that.

All right, guys. What did you think about the new Halloween? How polarizing can we get here today? Well, I guess I'll start off. All right, so I'll say this. It's my favorite of the Halloween sequels. Including Halloween 2. Correct.

Yes. I think it is much more. in the spirit of the original movie. Again, I've never, there's no love lost with me with the Halloween sequels and remakes and all that stuff. I just don't give a shit, you know, I, I've tried to watch them. The second one is okay. I mean, none of them are outright pieces of shit.

I mean, six is a little rough, but, you know, and Rob Zombie's second movie is a little much. But they're just like background. Halloween holiday movies for me. You know, I don't really give too much of a shit

about any of them beyond the first one. You know, they're all like middling fours to sixes for me. They're their own paycheck. Yeah, you know,

and, you know, if Michael Myers shows up and the theme song's going, it's, you know, that's enough in most cases. The third one I'm warming to, the more time goes on,

we did a commentary for it over on binge last year. And, or maybe not a commentary, but we did like a review of it on a binge cast. And Ammon at the time had said, this is a movie that, like, the more time goes on, the more you'll like it around Halloween. And he's kind of right. But yeah. So there are a lot of cool ideas in this movie. I'm okay with the Sarah Connor, Lori Strzsche. road thing.

I don't, I have a lot of nitpicks. I don't love the podcaster angle. I just think that that is very convenient. There's a lot of convenient things that happen. Like, of course, this is, is this spoiler territory yet? No, not yet. Yeah. Okay.

So, quick review first. Gotcha. I don't love the movie. I figure there are some. good ideas, but I had real problems with the political message of the movie. And for me, if I'm watching a movie

and I'm thinking about how it sits in the current political climate, then you kind of fucking lost me, and I think you fucked up a little bit. That being said, good ideas, but not

quite what I wanted out of it. Okay. I have a lot of questions, but we'll get to those. Pedro, what you think? Well, like I said, I was lucky enough to go to the premiere about two weeks ago, so I saw it there, you know, with a lot of biased eyes, by the way, which was kind of made it a little funner for me. But then I got to see it again this morning.

And, yeah, again, it wasn't as fun as the first time, and you start seeing a lot of the things that were... Now, I will say this, it's a good movie. And I've recommended, even now I'll recommend it to people. It's actually, at the end of the day, it is a fun movie. If you want to sit there and just have a good time, it's going to give you that. And especially, you know, we're in the season for this kind of films. I think it has that, you know, but it's definitely not a perfect movie by any means.

And so we'll get a little bit of that when we're going to spoiler territory. There's a lot of convenience in this film, you know, that script convenience that kind of bothered me. But besides that, I thought the kills were very good. I thought they were all very effective and a bit gory for a mainstream film like this. I thought the comedy relief aspects were pretty fun. You know, that little kid, Julian, I think his name was, you know, that he was, he had everybody laughing. Super, adorable. Yeah, and then you had those Keystone cops that had that, you know, pretty funny as well towards the end.

And so, yeah, no, I think, I think it was a fun film, not. a perfect film and I had a good time with it. You know, I'll buy it when it comes out on Blu-ray and it was, it's it's it is my favorite sequel as well and although last night I usually tend to host a horror movie night party around this time. So last night I screamed, I screened Halloween H-2-0. It just took, I wanted to kind of compare and contrast because they're essentially going for the same beats and there was I was surprised of how much Halloween H-2 got right that this one didn't get right.

right and vice versa right so um so that was interesting um and so yeah so this is i recommend that people should definitely go check it out uh jason what do you think um yeah i i so i really liked it i didn't again i didn't love it either um but i did i found it interesting and i i might be speaking out of my on my ass because i have only seen the original Halloween end this one but as far as I know, none of the other ones deal with PTSD to such a degree, which I appreciated because I thought, I rarely see PTSD accurately portrayed in a movie, especially a horror movie. And so to set this movie 40 years later and to have literally her entire life having been

ruined by this traumatic incident that happened granted she disagrees with me within the movie that her life was ruined I thought it was an interesting way to get into the story

I agree that the podcast storyline was it felt like a convenience thing it's just the way that it played out I didn't hate that there was a podcast in the movie I didn't like exactly how it played into the story. But in terms of once Michael gets out and once he's killing,

it was a blast. And I don't want to get too much into, obviously, spoilers, because we're not there yet. But there are, yeah, there's a couple things I want to talk about when we get there that I had some issues with. There were a couple things that I thought were going to go a different direction and then kind of played it safe. And I'm very, I'm curious what you mean, Jack, when you say the political message, because I didn't notice one at all, which maybe that's, maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.

I was a little bit high when I saw the movie. Nothing wrong with that, brother. But I had a blast. And I liked, obviously, John Carpenter came back to do the score. and I liked all the throwbacks to the original there. Some of the ways they used it were really fun.

But overall, I really liked it. Do I give scores now? Are we holding off on that? We'll go through all the reviews and then do quick scores and then we'll go spoilers. Although we'll probably take a break at spoiler time because I got to pee. Brian, what do you think? I really enjoyed it

I had a lot of fun watching it I'm really glad they brought Nick Castle back for this and what was the kid's name Julian Oh yeah, the little black kid Yeah he was probably the smartest person that was ever in a horror movie Well obviously But overall yeah there is some problems with it I also agree when I heard the podcast line

I was just kind of like, uh, but overall, I thought this was a way better sequel to the original one than Halloween 2. Okay. See, I, uh, I, I cannot

distinctly remember any of the sequels. I'm sure I've seen some of them. I know I haven't seen all of them. I've seen the Rob Zombies and Halloween H-2O. Um, I actually re-watched the Rob Zombie one last night, but we'll talk about that later. Um, yeah, definitely not as good as the original.

I was not high at all when I watched this movie because I'm out of weed right now, but it was fucking amazing. I loved it. I was watching it purely as a fan, though. I did the same thing with this one that I did with The Last Jedi, which was also a very polarizing movie. I went in as a fan, and I didn't start analyzing shit. I just enjoyed what I enjoyed.

And I think that a lot of the things that they did, so many things in this movie just paid homage to the original and to John Carpenter just in general. And I loved that. I feel like a lot of the problems that a lot of people have with this movie are a lot of the same problems that are really in the first one. And people just get past because it was made in 1978 and it's a classic. you know it's got a little bit of a slow build um you know i there's maybe not a whole lot of twists and turns going on there's a couple of them there's maybe one little plot line that if you really want to dip pick i didn't i didn't enjoy i started getting worried there for a second but we'll get into that um the comedy i loved the comedy fucking take note hollywood

this is how you put comedy in a serious movie Don't just rapid fire jokes and hope that some of them stick. I felt like they didn't... They didn't really use the jokes when in the middle of tense situations. They used the jokes when the people were just talking. You know, like in the original Halloween, when the girls are walking down the street and they're just kind of fucking around talking with each other

and then the car drives by and they're, get serious all of a sudden. Well, it's the same thing, but instead of just fucking around talking each other just with trash dialogue that they throw in there, they throw in some jokes and make it really more interesting. So the whole thing kept me interested the entire movie. I had to get up and use a bathroom in the middle of this one, and I was upset about it because I didn't want to miss anything.

And that doesn't normally happen. Maybe I liked it better than most. I definitely was on top of this one. So let's do scores. Jack, what do you think? Yeah, I'm at a six on ten for this. Six. I've heard that. Pedro.

I would go with seven and a half. Okay. Respectable. Yeah. Just what do you think? Oh, sorry. I gave it a seven. Seven. Okay. Brian?

What do you think? give it an eight. I think I've probably enjoyed it more than everybody else did. I am going to give it a nine. This may very well end up in one of my top five lists. So we'll see how that works out. All right. So let's go spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. alert, you've been fucking warned. All right.

First question. Jack. Yeah. What was the political stuff? Because I have... I'm at a loss. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, so I got a little... And I won't say it was for the whole movie. Do you mean like the feminism stuff?

What's up? Do you mean like the feminism stuff? Yeah, in a weird way. Like, I just didn't love... of the fact that the movie, and I know a lot of reviews have said this since, but I just get the feeling that this movie was put together to be a Me Too movie. And I know that that's not the case and that the movement started after this was already in production. But it just, I didn't, you know, you have your main, one of your main female leads. You know, this movie is just so, so Me Too and in a series.

that, you know, even our lead girl, she's going to be dressed like a man because she, you know, she can, like, they're very clearly trying to get in front of those things, right? I just had some issues with it, and I, it turned what used to be this story, this fable, this like fantasy about ultimate good versus, or, you know, ultimate evil versus, versus, you know, the average person, really. and it starts becoming this statement about the current political climate. And it was distracting to me. Up until a certain point in the movie, it just became so overwhelming. And there were things that I liked about it and, you know, political stance as notwithstanding and all that stuff. I just, I don't know. I found it to be a little too much for me.

I didn't even think about that. Although now that you bring it up, I guess I can kind of see it. It's also, it's just interesting that like almost every man in the movie, too, is either an idiot or killed. Although, listen, dad was fucking hilarious. That's true. But even he had to make a joke about his dick. I got peanut butter on my penis, right? I thought that was funny as fuck.

Yeah, yeah, it's funny lies. But it did oddly is like, well, you know, man's just thinking about his dick, right? I don't know. It just seems it was a strange something I picked up on, and I don't know if it's there or if it's not, but it kind of was distracting. I feel like it is there, but also your matter about it that everyone else is. Maybe. When I saw the trailers, that was one of my biggest concerns,

that they were going to be very heavy-handed with it. And I actually was surprised that they weren't as heavy-handed as I thought they were. I mean, you know, now, like you were saying, Jack, there was things that were a little more subtle that maybe you picked up on that in thinking about it now I could kind of see as well. But I thought it was going to be way over the top when I saw these traitors. I thought she was going to stand up to him and, you know, be this like dominant, you know, feminist female. And it wasn't. And I was really surprised by that. I thought I thought Lori's character here had a lot of layers.

I thought that scene in the, when they're having this. or when her granddaughter's introducing her boyfriend to the family, that was some pretty powerful stuff. I thought she really did a great job there where she was kind of breaking down from post-traumatic stress disorder. And being drunk? And being drunk.

Well, that was the night that they sent them away to the prison. So that was a rough night for her. And so, no, I thought it was, her character was Lair and it was very fair. but yeah and there were there were subtleties like the penis line and you know there was other little things here and there um but i didn't i didn't i didn't think it was as heavy-handed as i thought it was going to be and maybe because my expectations were higher that it was going to be maybe i didn't i didn't see it you know so that's fair man i mean i i didn't i don't know i didn't expect that from this movie i guess maybe i should have because just the way the trailers were put together but um yeah and i'm

you know, on a personal level, I'm for those causes. I just, I don't know, it just, it got me very, I don't know, maybe midway through the movie. And then once I saw it, I couldn't not see it, you know. The three points that I think I noticed it the most were the first one was when the little boy in the car is talking to his dad about he doesn't want to hunt anymore because he's just focused on dance. Yeah.

The moment where the kid tries to kiss the Jimmy Lee Curtis's granddaughter and then has his whole slow monologue. And then at the end... She was kind of a bitch to him about that part. Just got to say. I don't know if I'd use that word. I feel like she definitely wasn't sensitive to his sadness. Turned out. Jesus Christ.

Whenever you're going to take advantage of somebody, it doesn't even count unless you're feeding them drugged soup. I mean, if we learned anything. But the other thing was at the end of the movie when they gave each woman, one woman from each generation of the Strode family, got one good lick in to take out Michael. True.

Like. Which on its own, I love that. concept, just if all the other building blocks weren't there to push it so far in that direction. You know, I think it's much like the Star Wars thing, right? Like, Princess Leia has always been a strong female character. But if you talk to Disney, they would tell you that she has never been a strong female character until they made her that way. Right.

I think that the original Halloween movie is a feminist movie. for you know like I just think that all the interviews from John Carpenter and the things that he said you know in the time since he's made it they seem to lean heavily on that side of the fence anyways I lost my train and thought fuck but even to counter that I mean there was some

you know we had we had the female podcaster you know she you know she wasn't really portrayed as being particularly strong although she did have some some She was dominant in the conversation. Yes, exactly. You're right.

And it was her plan to kind of give the three Gs, you know, to get inside the, go ahead. I was going to say exactly that, that she was the one who remembered to bring the money. But also, she's the one who, when she had a chance to escape the bathroom stall, didn't. And just stayed there and died. Yeah. Well, when was that? I thought she gave a pretty good effort to try to escape.

You know, she was going underneath the... When Michael had the guy up against the wall. Oh, I see. Okay, okay. So she was just cowering. Yeah, yeah, she was kind of cowering in the corner. I mean, to be fair, I guess she couldn't see what was happening because the door was closed, but she should have known that they weren't next to her, and they were, you know, there's a clear shot to the escape.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But one of the funniest parts of the movie to me, actually, was that scene, because there was somebody behind me, an old lady, who, as soon as she went in and saw that toilet, she sat down on it, and she was like, oh, girl, don't sit down on that toilet.

I wouldn't sit it three times. I wouldn't sit down on that toilet. Every time they showed her, I wouldn't sit down on that toilet. I could squat outside. Honestly, the most unbelievable thing about that scene is that a woman used a public restroom. shit was funny as hell and when I saw them do the

okay I felt like maybe it was just kind of a sign of the times I didn't really read too much into it politically the kid with the dancing thing like I kind of get that you know I mean you don't have a lot of kids who are have that tough ingrained hunting fishing man

thing in them anymore and it's just part of the sign of the times, you know? It's not something we necessarily need as much as we used to at the moment. Although at some point, maybe. I thought it felt very modern. I thought it was more accurately portraying kids and people today. And I don't know, maybe in another 40 years, we'll look back on it and we won't even see any kind of messaging and we'll just see, oh yeah, that was what 2018 was like. Well, yeah, I'm looking at my seven. year old and I'm thinking, you know, I

could have this same conversation with him in a couple of years. And I mean, the kids out there on first base and he's in between plays he's dancing. He's doing Fortnite dances. Anyway. I don't know if those count. But all of them, all of the baseball players,

every one of them. They're seven and eight years old, so take that into account. But they're all dancing. In the middle of the field, it's hilarious. Yeah, that's definitely more of the modern version of teabagging somebody so i don't know that counts or maybe it does maybe it counts for extra and then and then sort of the same thing with when they did the role reversal with the bunny and Clyde thing i thought fucking kids no way i'd have done that shit in high school yeah well there's

different times remember it was 2018 per the boyfriend's tattoo or whatever you know oh yeah i like that guy he was fucking weird he was like a uh uh uh Jack White, but... He did look like a very young Jack White. You're right about that. He certainly did. But what was the... What was up with him being... He had a B.A. at least 17, right? In the story or whatever, and he's still popping pumpkins with firecrackers and shit.

I stopped doing that when I was like 12 or 13. And it just looks so random. Like, you might if I pop a firecracker? Sure. And then they puts it and they take off and it explodes and shit. But I just thought they were a little too old for that already. But, no, yeah, that was a pretty cool character. That's one of the things that I like about this film is that it kind of worked against our expectations in a lot of ways, and we'll get to it.

It would introduce certain characters that were stereotypical kind of leading characters in other films, and they would get off really, really quick in this film, and I thought that was pretty interesting how they did that. I think a lot of this film was definitely made with the fan base in mind. They were really trying, because a lot of it is very inside,

you know, like the new doctor, Dr. Satin or whatever, Satan or whatever the hell his name is. He was, well, he was a red herring, as was the podcasters, by the way, which I didn't mind it so much because they were kind of both were kind of red herrings to what was really going on. But, yeah, I felt like from the moment Lori called him, you're the new Loomis, it was supposed to kind of burn in the ire of the fan voice, right? Because that guy is it replaceable. So already they're kind of putting in your head, like, okay.

okay, this guy, we already hate this guy because he's being promoted as the new Loomis. And then the whole idea of him kind of turning the story and it going somewhere else, which I know it pissed off a lot of people. And it's funny because I was watching it, the first time I saw it, I was watching it with a room full of fanboys, nothing but fanboys. And you could feel the tension when they thought the story was going to go in another route. Once the doctor became the bad guy, there was a turn in the doctor. And it was like, oh, shit, here we go with the Thorne trilogy again, you know.

I legit rolled my eyes when that happened. I was like, oh, what are they doing? But the payoff to that was great because, again, it was working against your expectation. Now you're mad at this guy, and now that you're mad at him, you're mad at where the stories could possibly be going. Yeah. And all of a sudden, when that's, you know, for lack of a better term, squashed, you know, it's like, oh shit, you know, that was definitely the filmmakers kind of, you know, talking for the fan base of how upset they were with the, with the Thorn trilogy. you know, four, five, and six. So I thought little things like that worked pretty good.

And, yeah, so I was for that. Yeah, I liked that dead scene. That was great. And I've heard some complaints about how there's a lot of scenes where they don't actually show the dead scene, but just the aftermath. And even though there was a lot of gory, you know, dead bodies, which were done great with practical effects,

thank fucking God I really enjoyed that I thought it was super cool I thought it was very Michael Myers E you know I mean they they because I watched the original Halloween right before I watched this one I mean I could see all the things

that they did to make it have that same sort of feel to the movie you know now let me ask you guys this what did you guys think of him killing the kid because that kind of brought the theater in both of my experiences it brought the theater time kind of like it had like a collective pause you know that that was not expected um and i killed them in the same way as that first kill in the original Halloween where he he killed that first babysitter yeah well i think he choked her right i think this guy he just he slammed

his kid's head and then i think he just snapped his neck or something like that but you do hear the crack of the the uh the crack of the bones and stuff you know yeah because that first choking scene when i was watching it in the original Halloween, I thought it was kind of weak. Yeah, it's a little clunky. It is a little clunky. So I like the way that they did it in this one. It's like they went for that same kill and just made it a little better, but with a kid, which was a little. Well, one of the things that, as far as the writing aspect of it goes, that I really

enjoyed about that scene was because it's setting you all for later on, right, with the baby in the crib. Yeah. And as soon as they kill the kid, and it's like, okay, so all bets are off now. That's kind of cheap heat a little bit. That's what we say in wrestling, cheap heat. When it's very easy, it doesn't take a lot of skill to get somebody all riled up like that because it's a kid, right? So, but, so what that did as far as getting you prepare for that, for that baby scene is that it got your anxiety up when you started hearing the baby crime because it had established that all bets were off.

And then when Michael Myers kind of passes the baby, all of a sudden your anxiety goes down. So again, that's the point of these films to kind of fuck with your emotions, your anxiety levels and stuff like that. So the way they set that up was pretty cool. But yeah, so that was kind of weird. Definitely there was a collective grown in both of the times I saw it during that scene because I don't think people were expecting that. Because it just, you know, in the times we live in now, it just, you don't do that to a kid. And, you know, as far as film showing that.

And so that was kind of interesting. But yeah. Do you think he should have killed the baby? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, come. I would have been, I would have given, I would have knocked it down about five. points right there. That's like so cheap. Why would you want to do that? Like it doesn't it doesn't say anything about the character. It doesn't it's no. I was actually concerned,

but again, they were working with my emotions, you know, and they did it right. I mean, that's, that was their point to do that. So, so they did it perfect. That's, I, I forgot to throw in Lance's reviews. Sorry, Lance. I'll put them in right now. He gives the 1978, 9 out of 10. Every time I see it, the original I like it more. It only gets better with age. 6.5 on the new one. He says, pretty bum.

They threw out all the sequels. It seems like a cheat. And then one of the things he says was it seems cheap to ignore the baby. If he's pure evil, he's pure evil, although that would have been a tough, tough to see. That does really all the comments he had. But

I also feel like maybe that was a little bit of homage to Halloween 2, even though you're supposed to forget it, where he didn't kill Lori as a baby. Well, there's a lot of homage to the films we're supposed to forget. I mean, that scene where he goes into the house, where the ham is right there on the table, and he gets the hammer and he kills the lady. That's from Halloween 2 right there.

That's exactly the same scene. Well, on the bathroom scene. Yeah, exactly. And so you see all that, and it's like, the only difference is that in Halloween 2, he doesn't kill the old lady he just grabs the kitchen knife and then walks away here he kills her with the hammer and then he switches over to the kitchen knife so

yeah so there's I mean obviously we saw the Amash to season of the witch with those kids running around with the with the pumpkin and the skull and the witch mask you know there was a lot of little things like that you know all over the place even with the films that we're trying to ignore again they had the fanboys in mind and

you know with these kind of films that you really have to do have them in mind because it's really made for them you know and you kind of hope that everybody else comes and watches it. Yeah. Well, because otherwise, why make a sequel? Because, I mean, all you're going to do is piss people off, you know? I mean, there's...

I think they knew that going into this movie. There's nothing that they can do. Look what Rob Zombie did, and everybody fucking hates that movie, you know? He tried to do something different, and everybody was like, fuck this. So I think what they did was just tried to pay homage to the original and make a new. one without it being just a straight-up remake. Yeah, it was a simple, this is a simple story, just like the first one. Yeah.

And much preferable to a reboot. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so. I really liked, and I haven't seen a ton of this from David Gordon Green, but I felt like he used a couple of long shots really nicely. And, you know, the editing, too. I mean, some of them, again, just like the original, there were a couple musical cues that I thought were really appropriate,

really cool. Yeah, and I love the concept of the ending. I think that's such a smart and cool idea for her plan to be all along, spoiler alert, just to trap him and kill him in a box, basically. And, you know, I even like the thing with Judy Greer there, you know, her last turn. Oh, yeah, that was good.

Yeah, that was a cool, that was a great moment in the movie. but yeah it's tough I had a good time watching this movie for the most part and it's better than I would have expected it to be but all that being said I still like

I just didn't I don't know I just didn't love it I wanted to love it I didn't love it that happens I'm curious about if his if his plan the whole time was just to kill her like that was

are we supposed to believe that that was actually what he wanted to do? I don't know. Because it seems like she certainly thinks so, because she built her a literal house strictly as a prison for him, assuming that if he ever got out, he would come to her. She probably could have just moved out of the town. Yeah, but to her credit, that would be her point of view, right? Because she's the one, she's the victim.

So in her eyes, it's the, doesn't matter what Michael Myers wants. That's that's how she's kind of interpreted it. That she's she's, she's, she's, she comes out, he's going to come for her. So she's, you know, she's, she's kind of, uh, she's got some mental issues like they established in the movie. So definitely she's going to think that and she's going to build her fortress. And again, part of that wasn't even a fortress. It was a trap. So she, she just, she kind of wanted him to show up there. Yeah. Um, and, and, um, but I do think that, that his motivation was to kill her. And I think it took him 40 years. I mean, again, they talk

about how he just stood there for 40 years and it was this bus ride to the prison that kind of gave him that chance to escape. So he just go ahead. Let's talk about that because we don't see the bus crash. We don't see what happens.

So do you think that he did it or do you think the doctor caused the crash? Oh, the doctor. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, because I think they have a couple throwaway lines later on where the doctor's given his side of the story, but it's very fast, you know, when he's talking to

Will Patton's character, which was kind of a nothing character, by the way. I'm surprised they brought him in just for that kind of character because he kind of really didn't have anything, you know, his ending was kind of whatever. So, yeah, there was some throwaway lines about how, like, Michael

tilt the driver over and this and that. But it's kind of insinuated that he did, the doctor was the one that caused the accident. It was funny when the kid shot him, though, like, out and over stuff. That was great. Well, and he said that, you know,

that Loomis was the only one who had seen him in the wild who could really study him, you know? And what about how they would talk about him in the wild? Like what I mean? You know what I'm saying? These are supposed to be,

but they're supposed to be trained professionals, you know, they're doctors. The child's like, talking about him being in the wild. And they actually say that more than once. Yeah. It's like a Joker,

Harley Quinn thing going on. Yeah, that doctor's probably most of the problem I have with this movie. I just, I hated this. turn. It's just so, I don't know. It's a little much.

It's fucking stupid. Talked about Michael. They never would have let him stay on his case. Or just, like, that was, I don't know, for me, it was such a fucking out-of-left-field thing for me. And again, it, like, cheapens something else. You know, just like the original movie, I would have loved if the doctor was not inferred, to have caused the bus crash

because much like the original movie and all the shit that he survives, it would be great to leave the door open for like, hey, maybe I don't know how he took over this bus. I don't know how this happened, but it's even creepier that I can't figure it out.

Right? I mean, that's kind of what the original did. And I don't know. The doctor, Dr. Whatever. When he put the mask on and started straying into the fucking Rob zombie territory for me a little bit. That was just, that was terrible, but...

I mean, I gave my justification of why they, I think they did it because of some sort of like big inside joke on the entire franchise. But I agree with you, if anything, if I feel like people are going to come out of hating that, because it just so crinchworthy and it kind of turns the entire, it almost kind of ruins the third act, to be honest with it. They save it there at the end, but it almost, it tipped it there for a minute. even with the payoff of him getting his head bashed in or whatever. But yeah, and it was so cartooning, too. That's another thing. They had done such a great job of creating this character

to be in this kind of real world situation. And all of a sudden you have this doctor. It was kind of wacky looking as it is. And it's like he kind of turns into a cartoon character there for a little while. He throws out the mask for like more reasons. And then just the weird logic of it too, right? like, okay, so they're in the truck and

Lori Strode's granddaughter just kind of lucks out because Michael Myers decides that he wants to kick the shit out of the doctor and drag him out of the car rather than, you know, punch this girl once and, you know, get one more kill on the board.

You know, everything with that doctor just was so fucking convenient. But that was the least of the convenience. There was some bigger convenience. issues with this film too. I could actually kind of chalk that up to like actual

luck and real, if it was real life, maybe she did get lucky and then he just decided to go for the doctor. But there's some other stuff in this film and it's like, come on, are you kidding me? You know, and just the way Michael Myers got to fucking Haddonfield. There was about two or three, like, convenient setups for him to get there, you know?

And, and like, what a coincidence is that he saw the podcast visit Judith Myers' Grave and he's just there. And there's a guy driving around with a hospital gown for at least what like at least a few hours and nobody says shit like he's just driving around with a hospital gown also he's walking around the gas station murdering people and nobody sees anything so there were some good shots there you can't see it if they're dead he killed every one of those motherfuckers if i saw a dude walking through the gas station in a hospital

gown i i would have said something well it was like a white jumpsuit more than anything i think so it almost maybe stylish I don't know or not stylish yeah exactly I liked that scene I thought that that was a good end to the

podcasters I wasn't mad that they were podcasters I thought that the fact that they said that they were podcasters kind of fucked it up more than anything they had said that they were investigative journalists the whole time instead of using the podcast line but I think that line

I think that line was written for the times, you know? I mean, it's actually a risk because, as we've seen from films, you know, 20, 30 years old, if that terms ever becomes dated, this movie's going to look pretty fucking stupid, you know? Which, of course, it will. I don't know. I don't know if podcasts are going to go anywhere anytime soon. I feel like it'll be a significant part of our history. Well, it could evolve to it.

Maybe there's another slang for it, you know, more accepted slang. so that the word podcasters could certainly evolve into something else. But whenever... Yeah. It would have been nice, right? My main issue with them being podcasters is the fact that they're given access to Michael at all. Because if they're just two people from a random podcast, and based on the dialogue that they had while they were doing recordings,

their podcast is really cheesy. So the fact that. that some two people from a random cheesy murder podcast were granted access to go see Michael. We're given his actual mask and were also involved in him murdering them was extremely convenient to me. And I have a big problem with that than I have with the fact that they're podcasters. Exactly. Exactly.

That's more what I was getting at. I don't care what they are. It's just, you know, the word we keep throwing around is convenient. It is terribly convenient that this guy was able to get, you know, Michael's mask and just, you know, it's just convenient. It's very convenient. It's also a movie, so. For sure. For sure.

But, you know. What did you guys think about that, uh, that first scene, though, where they showed in the mask and all the other lunatics are flipping the fuck out? I mean, I feel like that kind of showed some sort of like, like, you know. evil spirits going on or something. Yeah, I enjoy it as some sort of weird, like a prologue kind of thing, you know, just to get the movie going. Only thing is that they built a lot of the trailer around that scene, and that scene was kind of worthless after, you know, after two minutes or so, you know, when it was over. But I thought it was cool. And like you said, there was this underline theme of evil kind of waking up all these lunatics who kind of have a connection with that, right?

So that was pretty cool. Even though it didn't go anywhere, it was pretty cool. Yeah, I think, well, I think it just gives a little something to maybe he does have some sort of supernatural power. I mean, well, obviously he has something because, you know, he got a lot of times. Right here they shot him in the head a shitload of times. Yeah. And it wasn't in an arm or the leg. There was like three head shots he took in this film.

Yeah, that one glanced off his neck. I mean, that's got to suck. Keeps going. Yeah. Yeah. It at least shows that he has a very overpowering energy that affects people around him, regardless of whether or not he's talking or moving at all. So I like that about it.

And I had a slight issue with the fact that it showcased mental illness as just like complete lunacy. But then I liked that later on, they said, they found a couple of them chasing butterflies. And it's like, okay, all mentally ill people are not. dangerous. But these specific mentally ill people just can't take care of themselves at all. Oh, and to go back into the comedy thing, I hate to just change the subject on you again. I think the only time that they didn't, the only time that they used comedy in the middle of a tent scene, which is kind of a no-no, is when the kid was there and Michael Myers is there

and killing his babysitter and he's running down the stairs and telling him. on Dave to go up and deal with the shit. Yeah. So that, I think maybe that was only, the only little faux pa with the comedy that they did. But the kid was cute enough and funny enough to pull it off. Yeah, that kid rock. I'll take it.

And that scared worked for me. I thought that was a pretty good scare right there when he's in the closet. And, you know, because again, it works against our expectations. You know, traditionally that would be a cat jumping out. or the wind kind of hissing. But this time the real motherfucker was in there, man, and he came out, and he came out swinging. So I thought that was pretty cool how they did that.

And, you know, that gag of the guy hanging, the dude we were talking about earlier, you know, hanging on the wall. And they don't show how he killed him, but just the fact that he, the way he looked, you could tell it wasn't a smooth landing for that guy. Yeah. Well, he had the big knife.

He got a hold of the big one, like the real fucking Halloween knife. Yeah. Yeah, and then Michael took it. What was because, yeah, because they switch, right? Michael stabbed them with his, and then he took the one that he got, so, you know. I guess, shit, I don't know. I got all over track at that point. I was paying attention to who had which knife.

And then what about when he killed the other dude, the one that was trying to roll up on that girl? It was the friend, you know? Oh, yeah. I thought that was a pretty good gag with the lights going off and on and stuff. I thought that was pretty cool. I liked that scene. I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot because, uh,

When she comes back and sees him hanging on the fence, that's when they start the new Halloween music with that like Silent Hill Simon in the background, you know? And man, that scene kind of gave me goosebumps a little bit. Like once she saw him and the music started and she knew exactly who the fuck he was. And okay, shit just got real. That one got to me. I like that a lot. The only thing that bothered me about that scene is that so he knew.

He drops three beer cans, right? And they do this with the coffee scenes all the time, where they're not drinking any coffee, but they're acting like they're drinking coffee. Like, movies do this all the time. Justin would know about that stuff. Well, this fucking shit right here, he picks up these three beer cans,

but you could tell they're fucking empty, and that bothered me. I had the same thought in the theater. They were so fucking empty. I didn't think about it. I thought they were supposed to be empty. I thought those beers. They were closed.

Were they closed? Yeah, the tabs were still on them. Yeah, I missed that. Yeah. I thought he was being polite and picking up after he littered in the guys he are. Oh, I thought he was carrying him to wherever they were going so he could drink them. They could party. The only reason...

Let's take the shortcut across this giant fucking spike. I know a giant land that belongs to some dude. But yeah, because what happens is that he clicked them. That's what happened. That's how they exposed... I mean, first of all, he wasn't really... They were kind of light even when he was picking him up. But then there was a scene where he actually connected two of them.

It's like, you could tell, dude, like, fuck. And it's like, you don't go fucking beers. They're closed. There was even, like, a sound. Like, they couldn't get out or something of, like, two empty cans hitting together. I was rooting for that poor kid until he got killed. That's why I was like, man, dude.

I know she rejected him, and I get that. But, like, she was harsh with it. Well, I know. She wasn't harsh with it until he turned around, and he was like, oh, don't tell your friend. don't tell your boyfriend. He's going to feel all. Like, once he turned into like a whining, blubbering kid,

she was like, you're pathetic. But at first she was just like, no, no, no, no, not interested. I thought that her boyfriend had already fucking killed himself on that shit. That was dumb. Oh, yeah. What the hell he still was. I liked him until, you know, the kiss. And then he explained to him saying, no, she whispered in my ear.

Like, okay, idiot. Dude, there's a whole lot of ways to dig yourself out of a hole. That's not one of them. And the fact that she threw her, the phone was thrown on jalo. Like, she could have still saved that fucking phone, you know? It wasn't water. It wasn't like beer. It was just like some jellowy thing.

Phones are waterproof these days. Yeah. And then he looked at her like, fuck you're going to do about that. Like, dude, she should have whooped his ass. That's what I would have done about that. I would have no problem with that. And what, he's one of the people who get to survive the movie, right?

He never died. No, that was it. He never comes back. That was it for him. Oh, he should have totally died in the Bonnie outfit. That would have been great. Oh, yeah. I wish he had.

Oh, well. It might be one of those deleted scenes from the, it's not come on in the Blu-ray or something. I hope so you got any directorial things in your, in your quiver there? About, about the movie? No, I'm just saying like if you want to direct some shit, let's make this one happen. Oh, like a sequel to this Halloween movie?

Yeah, fuck it. It'd be super fun. We'll get you in contacts with the right people. Great. As soon as I can figure out how to make that happen. Hook me up with Blum House and David Gordon Green real quick. Yes. That's one thing about this film.

I was doing another podcast and we're talking about where they take it from here because they're going to make a sequel. You know they are. Oh, yeah. And that's the inherent problem with these films is that they kind of get too big for their own good, and then that's when they start getting really dumb, you know, because there's only, there's been 10 of these fucking films already. We're also going to take this character.

And so, you know, that's where the challenge is. And that's where, you know, every film that succeeds the previous one kind of hurts the previous one, you know, the way we see it because, you know, it affects it because it sucks. So, I don't know. I don't know where you could take this film.

Do you think they're setting it up for Lori's granddaughter to become a killer? Like maybe Michael isn't in the next movie, but she starts killing people? Because they lingered on that shot of a knife for a long time. And also it was weird that she had the knife in the car. Well, that's one thing about the politics of this franchise is that, you know, back in 1982, I think they tried that. And it blew up in their face with Halloween 3. Even though Halloween 3 is a decent film, any time you take Michael Myers out of the the equation the fan base just has a huge backlash against that not saying it won't work now but it

certainly didn't work then and they're still kind of paranoid about that so they always try to write him in no matter what you know so like look at wrestle so supernatural wasn't that one about a witch or something which one the third one Halloween three well it was about it was about some dude that was like a warlock who was trying to get rid of kids on Halloween I mean that's that's a that's a pretty stark departure from the the first two I feel like if it did it this time and it was just it was still just like a straight up slasher movie people would be less offended by it well i think what it is is that the people are not fans of the films themselves they're fans of the character and and once you take them away because this is the same thing happened with uh friday the 13

part five you know uh and so people don't like that people like to be given what what they pay for and if it's like if it's a Halloween movie then it better have michael meyers in it and then i don't agree with that philosophy but that's kind of like what the dollars have told us so that's where that's keep on pushing them down our throats. Well, he's the iconic character. And, I mean, I loved that last scene where they just stare in his eyes and he's burning, you know? But then at the very end of the credits, you hear that breathing in the mask again. Oh, I didn't stick around to the end of the credits.

Yeah, so there's no after-credit scene. It's just the sound of him breathing. Okay. So I think that they're setting it up for something. Well, I'm sure they are Trust me He'll be back The movie's already

Gonna break October records So I hope he never dies Michael Myers Is eternal I mean I would love to see something Original and kind of deep And abstract

You know as far as like you said Like maybe the granddaughter That I love that shit But I mean the general audience Doesn't want that They just want you know Michael Myers Introduce some

Some you know fodder and take care of it That's what they want I don't want to see his face I don't know who I don't want to know who you No I'm not talking about that that's a whole different deal i know i just i don't know i want him as the character i don't want anybody else being the killer i want michael meyers to be there and he's just

okay see so you're the general audience that's good that's good that's good that's perfect that's perfect just then just don't allow ryan johnson to direct because he'll have him dancing and doing back to shit well and just have him drink some blue milk or something I'll be. I see, I think that they tried, they tried to go deep into Michael Myers and, and,

and, and, and, and, and, and, and, uh,

yeah, I, I, I, I, I kind of enjoyed it, as, as, as a standalone movie,

but I can see where, if you're trying to put that into the Halloween fandom, and even naming the movie, Halloween, that was probably a big fuck up on his part yeah this is a character that definitely shouldn't be humanized for all the reasons we just talked about

oh definitely not well different strokes for different folks man I think we were uh we were kind of along the step ladder on this podcast alone man so it seems like everybody has their own opinion of this one but it's definitely making some money so I'm sure there will be sequel after sequel after sequel And my only hope is that Danny McBride is still involved

Because I loved the comedy in this movie And I'm sure that he had a hand in that Yeah, well he went out of his comfort zone I thought I thought he delivered a decent film I mean you know I would trust me when I heard that team was coming on board here I was expecting a lot worse than what we got You know what we got was pretty decent in my eyes Yeah, I was impressed I was impressed

Comedy guys nailing the fucking Horror lately Any last words on the new Halloween? No, I mean, just, I think it's a good film and people should go check it out. Yeah, I think it's worth seeing for sure. Yeah, for sure, see it on the big screen. It's a fun Halloween movie. Just forget your brain, go watch some people getting killed.

Yeah, see it with a big crowd, so see it early. Yeah. I think that's the first time watch is pretty fun, and especially like you see it with the right crowd. but after that, you know, it might lose a little bit of its luster, especially because the first half is a little bit of character development, so, you know, just be patient with that, and then it gets going pretty good. And what a body count for this movie, too.

Oh, yeah, they killed way more than five people. Oh, I meant to mention that. Yeah, they brought that up, the stoner guy, the Jack White-looking dude. Had a whole scene about how the original one was kind of tame compared to today's standard. He only killed like five people. What's the big fucking deal? And they, they, they, I don't know how many people they killed in this one, but it was a bunch.

Well, just with all the loonies after the bus crashed, I mean, I think he knocked out about, what about, maybe about 10 or 11 of them. And the two cops that were out there. There's a bunch of them that. The kid and then everyone at the gas station. Yeah, the gas station was a bunch on its own. And who knows how many houses he went into before he ended up with the babysitter. True.

The thing is, like, here's the thing about that scene. Like, like, I didn't grow up in suburbia, unfortunately, but where I grew up, we lock our doors, all right? Like, like, I was thinking, like, doesn't anybody fucking lock their doors in this neighborhood? Like, he was just walking into random houses and just offing people, and it's like, fuck. I don't know if you lock your door on Halloween,

because you're going to open it 100 times for the kids. I don't know about that, man. Yeah, but back door? Oh, and I thought that was a very Albert Hitchcock kind of, I thought that was a very Alfred Hitchcock kind of scene when he stabs that lady through the throat. Yeah, that was brutal. Yeah, they show him going up to the front and checking her out

and then walking all the way around the back of the house and then coming out and it's just a completely unbroken scene. There's no cuts. I like that. They did that a few times and I really impressed by them. I love how she, and the call she was getting was a warning to lock her door. by the way, which I thought was pretty clever. And then she kind of goes and looks outside

because she got the warning, right? Somebody told her, and then she's all worried, and then he comes from behind and takes her out. So that was crazy. Great kills. Yeah. All right. They had, what about the black dude with the cowboy hat?

They introduced him and he didn't do shit. The other detective. Yeah, he was weird. He was a weird character. The Terry Cruz-looking guy. Yeah. He would roll up and say something wacky and then he would disappear and never had to do it. That is exactly the perfect description of him.

Wouldn't he even do anything? I wonder if there's a deleted scene of him getting killed too. Maybe, or maybe they're saying it up for the next one. Well, what's around at the end? Was he alive at the end? I don't remember. Yeah, the last time he came out would have been when they're trying to interrogate the doctor and they have him on the chair. And then he tells him, stay still.

and he's like, I am still. That was the last time he came out. Huh. Well, yeah, maybe they're for the sequel. Yeah, he's in there like twice, and it's super fucking weird both times. I'm like, this guy. And he's wearing a cowboy hat

in the middle of Chicago, Illinois, or Haddenfield in what the fuck they're at? Who was that guy on Pee Wee's Playhouse? What do they call him? Cowboy, uh, god damn it. You're talking about Lawrence Fishburn? Yeah. I forget his name, but I know he was the,

He was a... It would have been funny if I could have remembered... Oh, well. There were a few moments in the movie that I was like. I had to remind myself that it was in Illinois because it kept feeling like Texas to me. Yeah. Good point.

It was actually in South Carolina or something like that. Was that? Yeah, it was shot in like South Carolina or one of those places. Yeah, that's where David Gordon Green and Danny McBride are from. So. Oh, okay. Yeah. Then they have Southern influence, obviously.

Yeah. But they make a lot of their stuff in North Carolina because they went, I think that's where they went to film school. Oh, okay. So that's where it was. It was North Carolina then, yeah. That makes sense. Well, sounds like we all recommend going to see it, even if maybe it was a disappointment

if you're a huge fan, or if you're a huge fan, maybe it's awesome. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you on this film. There's like it's six one way, half a dozen the other, you know, take a pick. Wasn't as decisive as we thought. We all liked it. No, I mean, I liked it. You know, we could sit here.

I did a horror returns podcast for Insidious Four. Now, I buried that fucking movie. Fuck that shit. But, no, this film might definitely, you know what? It's got its nitpicks. I mean, and it's not even nitpicks. It's got some problems. But all in all, like at the end of the day when I see this film and it's got 10 sequels and like you said, Philip, at the end of it, it's a fun, you just want a fun movie, right?

You want a fun movie and it checks out those boxes. So yeah, go check it out. Well, and the worst that I've heard for is a six. And it still seems like it's worth watching. So check it out. All right, guys. One more time, where can our listeners find you? Jack.

Over on bingemedia.net, and you can find me on Facebook under Jack Falvi, Ivy. Awesome. Pedro. Oh, so, like I said, we just did a horror podcast, gictum 101.1.lisbon.com.

We just kind of, this is about a two-hour podcast where we talk. That was made for the, for the person that's never really gotten into horror, but they want to start watching horror movies during this season.

So we kind of go through all the basics and we kind of give a list and talk a little bit about all the classics and just get you going. And so that's, you could find it there. And that's pretty much it. Dude, that sounds phenomenal. Yeah. Justin. On all the socials, Twitter, Instagram, whatnot, I'm the Justin Xavier.

You can see me in a movie called Shared Rooms on Hulu. You can see me in a movie called Sick for Toys, available anywhere that you can rent or buy a movie. and yeah, those are the places. Shared rooms. I'll have to check that one out. Okay, well, Brian, we know where we can find you right here. As always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas.

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You could win a free t-shirt. Yay! Next week, the Halloween trend continues as we cover Trick or Treat from 1986, as well as Trick or Treat from 2007. Nice.

Two completely different films, by the way, which is wacky. Yeah. Well, pretty generic title, I suppose. Yeah, but they're two great films. I mean, Trickart Treats is kind of developed into this classic, this modern classic for this time of year. Trickertreat is one of those films that was kind of lost for the longest time. And just now it's kind of, you know, coming back up in the lore of the, you know, the cold section of famboism.

So, yeah, check them out. Yeah, I'm not sure if I've seen either of them, so maybe a first watch. And don't forget to listen to part three of our Happen Leonard retrospective, featuring an interview with actor and writer Nick Demichie, which is maybe one of my favorite interviews that I've done. It's pretty great. So until the horror returns again, who wants to give our good night? Buenos Noches.

There you go, Pedro. You got it.