The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #126: Trick Or Treat (1986) & Trick ‘r Treat (2007) (Reupload)

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

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On this fun, it's the sweeping sensation that's sweeping the nation, and I'm going to do it to you right here right now. Wow. All right, welcome back, everyone to the horror returns. I'm Lance. With me, as always, are my co-ho. It's got a stick, dude.

Brutal, Brian? What's up? I didn't, I don't remember inviting Jacks. Oh, sorry. A lot of Suns and Outerkey this week, so. Oh, wow. Okay, and it's our resident Mayan Phillip. Mayan Phillip.

I prefer big sexy myself. Let's go with it. All right, how's it going, guys? It's going good. Very good. I'm happy. What's the coolest thing this week, Brian? We might as well jump in. Oh, well, you already know this. We had talked before. I finished The Haunting of Hill House. Oh, please don't say anything, man.

I won't. All I will say was excellent show. Excellent. There you go. Exceeded my expectations. That's the important question. Is it awesome? What is the actresses name? The one that was in the Stephen King adaptation that was... Yeah, she is fucking gorgeous.

The one that's married to the rock in like three or four different movies. There you go. San Andreas and everything. Carla Guzino. There you go. He is fucking gorgeous in this. Yeah? Yeah, and it's interesting because I'm not going to spoil anything.

It's not just a horror show. It's like a mix with like a family drama. And you get you get wrapped up into these characters. And it's really well made. And hats off to Mike Flanagan. He's, again, putting out stuff that I just really enjoy. Damn. I'll check it out.

And one more thing. I am halfway through the third season of Daredevil. And Daredevil is back. Really? shit, you fucking asshole, dude. Both of your cool of the weeks are going to tie into my not-so-cool of the week directly. And I think you know where I'm going. Yeah, and I meant to start, what was it, the chilling adventures of Sabrina.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that started today. That's Netflix, right? Yeah. Okay. I have something to say about that next week, so that's pretty much it. All right. I'll go next, Phil, if that's cool.

Oh yeah, because I was waiting to hear what your opinion of the other stuff was. I'm going to go into my reason that I haven't gotten to Daredevil or Haunting of Hillhouse because the way that I knock out Netflix shows is I binge one show, and I do not allow myself to move on until I've completed that one. And I've got to tell you that, unfortunately, I'm fucking smack dab literally right in the middle, five episodes into fucking Iron Fist. season two. But is it good?

The recently canceled Iron Fist. It's so fucking bad. Then why are you watching it? Just stop. Because I'm a completest. I've got to finish all the Marvel stuff. I know what you're talking about because I am a completeest as much as I've not heard that much good things about it. I have to eventually.

It is so bad. And you guys know, Luke Cage was canceled also. You know what? And that's what they should have done after the first season of each of these was cancel them and done a Heroes for Hire. So maybe that's what they're headed toward. That's what I'm thinking because I don't, from the way it kind of sounded as I was reading it, the shows are canceled, not the characters.

So I would love a Heroes for Hire. Buy new sponge and soak up the little bit of money that's left. But I also see them. canceling this stuff because this stuff could possibly, it could show up on that Disney streaming. True. Yeah. Yeah, and we don't know how long their contracts are for, right?

Until they have to give it up to Disney. But Daredevil's where it's at, though. Yeah, I can't wait, dude. All right, so I'm finishing this. And then I, what should I jump into next, man? Haunting or Daredevil? Haunting, because I think you and AJ, that's something you guys can watch together.

She won't watch it. I think my, Lance, my wife does not do fuck with horror at all. Okay. We binge the entire series together. All right, I'm going to get her into it then. Because she actually brought it up, and then I said, cool, do you want to watch it? And she's like, hell no. So maybe deep in the back of her mind she wants to watch it?

Probably because I had already watched the first episode, and then I was into episode two. That's when she came on. Right. And she watched the second episode. and then turned and then asked me, whoa, what happened in the first one? And then we just ended up benching the rest of the season. I'll start with her and see if she can...

See if she can handle it. Tell her it's more so a family drama. Okay. Maybe that can hook you. It's fucking weird that she was like okay with horror movies until The Conjuring 2. Oh yeah, that messed her up, dude. She had a nightmare.

man from that where the nun showed up in a room or something like that that just needs a big ass movie all i remember was i was gonna say just i was just i was just gonna say show her the nun movie and that'll cure her of 80 years yeah probably no dude oh maryland manson i remember uh i remember it like it was yesterday dude she woke up screaming or she woke me up because she was screaming and i and i woke up and she's sitting up in bed i'm like what is wrong

She said, I can't talk about it. I can't talk about it. And it wasn't until like three months later that I finally got it out of her that she had a nightmare about the nun from the Conjuring 2. From the scene with the painting. I was like 100% convinced that she was just sick of hearing about the podcast and didn't want to go with horror anymore. Maybe you're right, dude. Maybe I'm naive. But no, she legitimately has this fear now.

It's crazy. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. Oh, real quick. Have you guys checked out that other Netflix show? Haunted? I've heard about it, but I haven't seen it. I'm not a reality show guy.

I kind of dig it. It's people, like real people actually telling their stories, and then you get to watch it as it happens. That's cool. Yeah, and it's, they're like... Like reenactment thing? Yeah, yeah. And they're less than an hour, and I think there's only six episodes.

I've watched two. and they're actually pretty good. Dude, that sounds right up in my alley. I'd totally watch that. Yeah, that's the Netflix one too. Documentary style. Yeah, if I check that out at all, dude, I guarantee you it's going to be behind

haunting daredevil and Sabrina. So, yeah, there's a bunch of shit. I may never get to it at this rate. But I do have a cool of the week. Oh. You guys remember, we checked out a trailer, what, three or four weeks ago, uh, IFC Midnight movie,

Welcome to Mercy. Oh, good call. I know that movie. Yeah, I think you guys do know this movie. Not what I was expecting, man. I thought it was going to be a lot more straight up, like going into like a fucked up haunted. Not a nunnery.

I'm kidding. I know, right? That was the first word that I thought of, too, and then I was like, Covenant? No, I don't. Convent. Convent. Convent, yeah.

No, this is one of those movies that's got such a fucking buildup. It reminded me a little bit of the last exorcism, or, but what was the movie? Oh, it's called The House of the Devil, where it was such a buildup, and then just a fucking bat-shit crazy ending. And this was like that, but it had two bat-shit crazy scenes, like intermingled with a lot of build-up and character development. I thought of the witch. I can see that. Yeah. I can definitely see that.

Without the weird talking. I'll tell you this. I like what IFC Midnight is doing. Low Life was, I was looking back through everything they've released this year. Low Life was easily a top 10 of the year for me. I don't think it's going to crack my top five, but it's definitely going to be an honorable mention. Didn't they do the autopsy of Jane Doe last year? Did they?

I know they did. Oh, I think they did. I saw that one. And I heard good things. Yeah. spoiling this movie, the reveal in this movie at the end, I thought it was a different take.

I don't know if you guys necessarily know what I'm talking to. Mercy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've, there's a lot of things that can use to me. On something, well, I'll mention it off, off air, but there was, there was a reveal that

I was like, I don't necessarily know if I've seen it done that way, and if I have seen it done that way, I don't think I've seen it done that way. that good. So, yeah, I enjoyed the movie. That's going to be a fun conversation, because it's a little

open to your interpretation, I think. Yeah. By design. And we don't want to give too much away because it's technically released like next next week. Yeah, but we're going to do a review show on it or something, right? We might have some interviews. I mean, the way

Brian's been sitting shit up, God only knows what's going to happen, right? Oh, yeah. He's a secret. All right, Adam Sandler. What was your cool of the week? My cool of the week, I think. I went back and started watching Tales from the Crypt.

I was jumping through some things with the family. And I was like, you know what? I bet the kids would like Tales from the Crypt. And we got through, yeah, the first maybe four or five episodes. And it is just as great as I remember it, man. Oh, that is so awesome. Because I was a Blu-ray shopping the other day, and I seen the box set at Best Buy. And I'm like, no, that's kind of pricey.

Amazon, because I get HBO through Amazon Prime. Yeah. And I'm like, they got to have it on there. And they don't have nothing from Tales from the Crip. Yeah, I even went on the Amazon video because I was watching, I can't remember, something else that I had actually paid for. and this popped up and I was like well I wonder if it's on Shudder as well and nope

you gotta pay for it that shit's like 20 bucks a season yeah to rent do you guys think that the reason why it's not available has something to also do with the cancelled reboot of the series maybe

I wish they would reboot it though it was pretty cool oh and then I went through the whole um the way I came across it was I was scrolling through movies Oh, it was after my wife had watched the birds, because that's on the shutter subscription for Amazon. That's a great movie, too. Ching, we're giving some advertising to Amazon. Amazon, you hear me?

I get an echo. They're so fucking big. They can't hear us. I know, right? Well, if somebody does. I shit, I don't know. Worth a shot. But we were scrolling through, and then a movie comes up called Tales from the Crypt.

And I was like, oh, we got to watch this. It's a Tales from a Crip movie that I haven't seen before. I clicked on it. And I do remember seeing it, man. It's like a 70s British movie that really has nothing to do with the TV show. And it's called Tales from... That probably wasn't the original title, dude. No, it is.

It, wasn't it a comic... Wasn't the comic called a Vault of Horror or something? I think at one point. But it was... I mean, the comic, I went back and looked at the timeline. I did some history. So the comic was in the 50s, and then they, the movie in the 70s, based it kind of loosely off the comic. And then the TV show, obviously, based it on the comic also.

And there's even a couple of stories in the TV show that were in that movie, just a little bit retelling. How did we miss this, Brian? I know the Santa Claus one's in the movie, right? Yes, the Santa Claus one is in the movie and the TV. show and but the Cripkeeper is like just some dude in a hood he's not all creepy and funny

okay sure but he's a British guy maybe he has bad teeth I don't know gosh maybe maybe we should do that Tales from the Crip

I'm totally down to I don't know do a retrospective on tails from the Crip let's be a lot of fun let's do that with Tales from the Hood too man oh that'd be great I don't think I've ever seen You so want to watch that movie. Nah, from what I'm hearing, it's terrible. It is on Netflix now, FYI.

Oh. Yeah, that was super fast. Yeah, a little too fast, right? It was like, here's the Blu-ray, and a week later, it's on Netflix. I was like, oh, wow, this doesn't sound great. How bad can it be, like, lepping the hood comparatively? Not to no good. I know.

What else, Phil? I think that's it for me this week. This and, yeah, definitely welcome to Mercy. I watched it as well because I was so excited to get it to watch it earlier. I'm like, oh, I'm special. This is awesome. And, yeah, watch the movie with my little name in the corner. I'm like, you see that?

That's so I can't go sell it somewhere. I'm special. But no, it was a great movie. I mean, it was definitely legit. I think it's coming to like 15 different cities. I'm not sure if it's really out in theaters other than that. But it's definitely worth checking out on November 2nd. So look forward to that one.

Might be more to say on that subject. Yeah. Hmm. So now it is time for horror headlines. Brought to you by the Cryptooper, Brutal Brian. I am not even going to attempt to sound like him. Let's see. Feté Alvarez says he is still attached to do Labyrinth 2.

Oh, boy. How are they getting to that without David Bowie, man? Yeah. That is my only question. I mean, as far as him directing it, I mean, I liked Evil Dead. I liked he did the remake to Evil Dead, and he also did Don't Breathe. Right. I really like those.

I'm interested to see what he can do. do with it, but it's kind of hard to replace David Bowie. Because when you think of Labyrinth, you think of him playing the role of, what was it, David? Well, who's the chick that played him in the movie?

What is her name? Jennifer... No, and Dr. Strange. Oh. Did she play him in the movie? I don't know. But the chick from Dr. Strange looks like him. Oh, I have no idea.

you're talking about. God damn it. I can't believe I can't figure it. You have so fucking left me behind in the dust dude. And I opened it. What are you smoking over there? Did you get a weed card or what? The actress, her face is in my mind and I can't. Rachel McAdams. I don't think so.

Wait, from Dr. Strange. Rachel. Ladies and gentlemen, presenting, playing the part of David Bowie. Wait, wait, wait, we're talking about to play David Bowie? The part of Sir David Bowie, Rachel, pick out of it. Oh, Tilda Swinton. Tilda Swinton.

There you go. Oh. We took a minute to get there. Thank you for bearing with us. Did she? I thought she did. I thought we were just shooting out ideas. Oh.

Lance, where'd you go? I can't hear you. Yeah, it's like you're waiting away. I was fucking with my headphones. I was like, oh my God. There you. In a movie called A Bigger Splash. And we talked about that because of Susperia.

Same during. Oh, right, yeah. But she didn't play David Bowie in the movie? You know what, dude? She should. Did I make that up in my head? You know what? You might have.

She could play in this movie. This is the Mandela effect, dude, in full rotation. Maybe. The Labrata, too, though, Tilda Swinton is David Bowie's character. Would you not watch that? Yes. You sold me. You sold me.

I think they need to have you on as an executive producer. I think that would be a terrible mistake. Okay, let's see. Sci-fi is going to be developing reboots for critters and killer clowns from outer space. Uh-oh. Some people do not like this idea at all. I am in the middle. because, Lance, you liked, what was it, Blood Drive?

Yeah, oh, dude, I love Blood Drive. It's great. Yeah, I loved it. That was great. That upcoming show looks great. What was it, Night Flyers? The one that kind of looked like Event Horizon. Yeah, I haven't seen anything for it.

Those are great, but then you have, like, Shark Nato and stuff like that. It's great in its own. special way. Yeah. I guess any time I start a sentence, it's probably not coming out good. We know where you're going from that. We know you're going enough by now, Phil.

It seems like their upcoming TV shows, because I heard a lot of good things about, like, the magicians and stuff like that. Right. It seems like they put more into their shows than they do their movies. Okay. And it's... And it's...

Yeah, and it seems... And from what I understand, there are multiple movies from each of these franchises, so I don't... I hope they do them right, because I grew up... Of course, you know, we reviewed killer clowns.

We all loved it. Right. And I... But with the Critus movies, they're not great, but they kind of hold that special place with me because they were always on TV when I was growing up.

I love the first. I'm going to say I love the first two. the other ones are fucking garbage, but I don't know. Fingers crossed, I guess. We shall see. Yeah. And I guess the biggest news to come out.

I went on, I talked with Nez about this on his show before. We talked a little bit of LeBron James going to the Lakers. And I told him how I thought it was going to happen. two things that I thought was going to make it happen because of his family and because of his career after basketball, which is in entertainment, because he has an entertainment company. Oh, no. Are you really going to, are you going to go there, Brian? Are you going to say what I think you're about to say? Oh, I'm going to say it.

His company, which is called Spring Hill Entertainment, along with Vertigo Entertainment, the company that produced last year's It movie, are trying to reboot. Friday the 13th. Huh. I heard about this. Now, I'm all for this because... I kind of am to. From what I understand... They've already done it like two or three times.

Yeah, but those weren't good. From what I understand, his entertainment company is legit. They've been actually producing TV shows and films for a few years now. Okay. And this is something like he's passionate about after basketball. That was the whole... reason for L.A. to be, you know, in Hollywood and amongst, you know, other people in that business. Right.

So on that point, I don't think they would get into something that they would put out that was going to be completely shitty. Or at least, you know, not try to just put out bullshit. But I don't know if it's going to happen because isn't these rights like locked up and legal? I think that's all, that's all been settled, right? I know the video... Oh, has it? Yeah, the video game's out now. You can purchase the video game.

I think it's only like $10. Oh, I own it. I think the thing... I think they put a hold on it. I think you couldn't download, like, new shit for it. I think it had stopped for a minute. Because, you know, they give you different versions of Jason you can play and weapons, kills and stuff.

And I think due to the legal stuff, they had stopped. But, yeah, I think you're right, Lance. I think they had settled that. that I'm thinking about it. Yeah, read that like a week or two ago. Yeah, I'm all... Oh, go ahead. I think if they're going to reboot it, they should do...

And this may be slightly sacrilegious, but like a different origin story. Or at least bring Jason into the focus a little faster, you know? Because, dude, he's not even really Jason until after the second movie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and he's in the second one,

but he's got like a bag over his head. I think, and this was pretty divisive, how you got in fresh new writers for Halloween. Right. I think that's what they need to do with this. I think there needs to be a fresh take on it. Yeah. Maybe bring in some... Rehash everything that people have already seen.

Maybe bring in some comedy writers, right? Maybe. It seems to be working, at least for me. It worked for Get Out and it worked for Halloween, so let's think. Yeah. Sure. And, yeah, that's all the news. It's been another slow news week.

All right. Well, that's good, because it ain't a slow feedback week, is it, Philip? No. Are we going to the trailer park first? Are we skipping that one? No, we're still going by the trailer park, boy. Oh, you thought we were going to get away. Me was doing a little full shadow in there, but that's the worst fucking accent.

I don't even know what the fuck that is. All right. So let's stay in character with that accent to take a little tree. down to the trailer park we're going to bring you the big the small and sometimes

Brian we got any very weird this week I don't know if you call them weird and you know I don't know but the first one we're going to go with first one we're going to go with is escape room

dude I'm sold I am completely fucking sold it's like game not meets Cabin in the Woods for me. Oh, yeah. We have, let's see, sorry, my notes. Deborah Ann Wool,

a lot of people will recognize her from the Daredevil series. Tyler Labine, Taylor Russell, and Logan Miller. Love him, he's great. Tucker and Dale versus evil. Yes. And this is directed by Adam Robitel,

who's also done The Taking of Debra Logan. Ah, Philip, you're in. That's one of my favorites. But this might pull you right back out, Philip. Insidious the last key. Oh, no. It had some creepy moments, I guess.

Hey, everybody gets one mulligan, right? Yep. This is kind of weird because when this, this is like true story, when this trailer dropped, like, right before I had put it on, me and my wife had seen somebody opened up an escape room here. in town. And we're talking about doing it and the same day this trailer dropped. I don't know if I want to do somebody's escape room now. I totally do it. I'm so excited about it. I really want to. I'm trying to convince my wife.

I don't think she's going to do it. Well, this one, we have to come in with a specific amount of people. Yeah. And I don't know if I trust any of the people that we were talking about to get us out of this room. Somebody's going to go crazy and start killing people. It might be I can't be in the room with with a bunch of people for a long time

Are we gonna rename it Weed Escape Room? Oh gosh That may keep you from killing people I might actually figure it out faster how to get out If that was good But back to the trailer

I thought it looked fun It kind of looked like you took Saw type traps And put them in an escape room and yeah that first that first little part with the with the heat going up because I didn't even notice the I thought it was a combination lock but someone pointed out it was like temperature yeah and and all the the little heaters popped up I was like wow this looks pretty fun right here yes it does yeah I saw this one on the big screen it was uh I don't know before the last movie we saw in the theaters I get him

confused. Whichever one it was, right? Yeah, Halloween, I think. Yeah. Dude, this was, it was a lot of fun. I'm really excited about this movie. I'm totally going to go see it. I hope it doesn't suck.

Let's see. January 4th. All right. Oh, no. Yeah. Because you never know. The curse of death, man. But split was really good.

So, you never. Split was good. Daredevil was, or not Daredevil. Deadpool was released. in, uh, what was it, uh, February. February, Valentine's Day. So, uh, I, I think the, the, the, sorry. Oh, we're not going to talk about that one.

But I think, I think the, the more we get into, uh, blockbuster movies and TV shows and stuff, I don't, I don't think January and February are going to be the dump month anymore. I hope not. Historically, not so great. I mean, then again, we have. had Winchester this year. Well, yeah, then again that, Jesus Christ.

Way to remind me. It's fighting hard to stay in my bottom five, that's for sure. Real quick, it hasn't been released yet, which is fucking weird, but what did you guys think of Happy Death Day to you? I'm all for it, man. I saw the trailer. I'm looking forward to it. I love the first one.

Yeah, that's the only way you can watch it right now is right before Halloween. So they have not released it online yet. That's cool, man. I'm looking forward to it. It looks fun. I know Patrick had commented that it looks like it's too much comedy, but I think it fits with the movie.

You can't tell from the trailer, right, Philip? Yeah, I mean, plus, I mean, the first one was a lot of comedy, and that's kind of what made it work. It's weird that they're rehashing the exact same thing on the second one, though. I can't decide whether that's... Smart or stupid? I know the... I know the director said we're going to find out why this is happening to her.

Well, I guess that's kind of cool. And I love that they're bringing the same actress back because... Yeah. Forgive me, I can't remember her name. I know her name was... What was it, Tree in the movie? Oh, yeah. I don't know, Philip, you had a crush on her, dude.

She's great. She's great. A little naked scene she has? Great. That best part of the movie. It could have been. better. Oh, yeah.

All right. I say naked. You didn't really get like any kind of nudity. There's a tiny dog in the background. Yeah, Jessica Roth is her name.

But it looked fun to me. I don't mind if they up the comedy as long as they up the kills and that's the whole point of the movie is somebody dying repeatedly. So I don't think there will be a problem at that. And that one's

going to Valentine's Day. See, we brought it back. Brought it back to February. Okay. And Escape Room is January 4th, and we're going to move on to our next and final trailer, which is The Prodigy.

Oh, that one. This is... We have to? We're going to talk about it. This is starring Taylor Schilling. A lot of people remember her from Orange's the New Black. And the little kid is Jackson, Robert. Scott. He played Georgie

in last year's It. You guys have at it. I'm out of this one. Really? This looks terrible. Do you think so? Yes. It didn't really show a whole lot. Yeah, this one was short. Who is this directed by? Nicholas McCarthy. Let's see. He's done the pack

at the devil and holidays. Lost me right there. Bring back McCarthy as a man and take him out. The jump scare got everybody in the theater that I was sitting in. Yeah, they showed this at the theater too in front of Halloween. It got everybody too. Cheap. I mean, there was immediately laughing.

Cheap. It was cheap. Yeah, it was definitely cheap. Yeah, it was jump scare like 2A.T. Maybe it'll surprise me in a good way. But they did it well. Okay. So do you think this is just a run-of-the-mill possession movie,

or is this kid something else? I don't know. Maybe this kid is something else. Although, you know, possessed from birth, maybe the other thing is something else. It's a possession movie. I'm definitely going to watch it. I don't know what else to tell you.

It might suck. Well, we just talked about February. February 8th. All right. Yeah, but see, and happy death day works. Happy Death Day works because it's, it's like a horror comedy.

So that, for Valentine's Day, you can take a date to, it's got a chick lead character, everybody's happy. Yeah. I like the new Deadpool slash Valan,

uh, new, uh, new, uh, Newvo Valentine's Day, uh, tradition, right?

Yeah. Well, And, but like as a legit horror movie coming out in January, February, that's not a great month for them. Not so much. Okay. I'm a little interested. I want to see how this kid does. Because he didn't really get to do a whole lot in it.

But he was good. Yeah. So I want to see what he can do. So I don't know if I go to the theater and watch it, but I think I will check it out. we shall see and that is our final trailer all right that being said

there's a rumor that nez might show up to review the movies let's hope so since one of us an 80s hair metal movie but in the meantime philip do we have any listener feedback we do we have a little bit we have a lot of it

first we're going to go an email from j s black forty one way to minute? Is that Jay? Ah, yes. One of our three Cameleros from our Western show. There you go. Remember to check that one out.

So yeah, Jason. What the fuck is that noise, man? I'm sorry, man. It's like a whining. Is that your dog? It's a little epic dog. It's my mother-in-law's dog. He is sad. He is a little asshole. He needs to hang out with Georgie. He needs to hang out with Georgie and bite his arm off

or something. I'll tell you what. Give me one second. Let me let him out. Maybe he'll shut up. We'll chill. We have a new guest. Her name is Cassie. And she's my mother-in-law's dog.

Anywho. Okay. So, email from JS. Hey, you got any poison lying around? That's not cool, man. His subject is top 21 horror films of the 21st century. Damn.

Ooh, with a couple of question marks. I'm wrong what that means. Uh-oh. He says, I came across this article in the Sacramento B. While I admit, I have only seen about half of these. Based on what I have heard, some of these shouldn't be so high up.

Do you agree or disagree with the majority of this list? Also, no insidious, really? Oh, top 21 horror movies? I think insidious probably deserves to be on that list, huh? The first one, yeah, I wouldn't put it on there myself. Of the 21st century. So that's just since 2000, right? Yeah.

Okay. So, I'll give you a quick rundown on the list, and then you can tell me where they fucked up. Number 21, the conjuring. Ooh, low. 21? Yeah. Number 20, unfriended. What the fuck?

All right. Fuck this shit. Thanks for fucking with us, dude. Number 19, last exorcism. 18, truth or dare. Truth or dare. Now, hold on. What the controversy?

What is going on? Jay's officially fucking with us. It's like a prank list or something. Oh, number 17. You remember this one? Devil? Is that the Shalamon? I actually like that one.

Yeah, but like number 17? One of all time. And I can't believe that fucking guy. in the elevator is married to Christina Hendricks. Oh yeah. A little goofy dude? Yeah, good for him. But she might, she might spoil her.

She might pop up on my horror hall pass list. Oh, that's good. Okay. Number 16 is drag me to hell. That's good one. Love it. 15 is Saw. That's not even one of Sam Ramey's top five.

No? All right. Drag me to Hell. was pretty good. Yeah, I'm right. It's great. But it ain't no evil dead. One or two. It ain't no alarm of darkness. Well, but 21st century. So, uh, 20, oh, I, okay, sorry. I apologize. I stand corrected, guys. I did not listen. I'm sorry. Number 15 is saw. Number 14 is it. Okay. I'll buy both of those. Number 13 is what lies beneath. No. Which is that?

Is that Michelle Pfeiffer? Is that what that is? It's like a drama. Yeah, I can't call that horror. Come on. Anywho. At least not enough to put it that high up on the list. Who made this list?

The Sacramento. Jay's in for an ass kicking. He just found the most random ass list. Yeah, when we gather around the campfire for the next saddle up episode, Jay, your ass is mine, boy. Sacramento Bee Sacramento Who the fuck of you?

All right Where are we at? A quilting bee Number 12 Split Okay Number 11 Crimson Peak

You know what I never saw that one I liked you Everybody hated it I liked it on Second viewing I like Didn't as like it as much, but then the more I watched it, it kind of grew on me.

Yeah, I liked it from the get-go, man. Number 10 is a quiet place. One of Ness's favorites. Witchboard man. Number nine is the witch, fittingly. Okay, that I totally buy into this one. Number eight is the Babaduke. Yes.

Absolutely. And he says in parentheses here, okay, now we're off the rails, although I have not seen this. And I have not heard one good thing. Really? Dude, it is excellent, man. It's a classic, gay. Yeah, it is, but it is a very divisive movie. Why?

There's nothing bad about it, man. I don't think, I can't, okay, I'm not going to speak for everybody, but I think some people, I don't think they really understood. what was going on in the movie. Yeah, it's metaphorical a little. Yeah. A lot. But it's like, they make it relatively obvious. So I think it's not, it's not like mother metaphorical.

It's, you know what I mean? Anyway, great movie. Definitely go check that one out. Number seven is the cabin in the woods. Yes. Guys, I have not seen this. I've started it like three times and haven't actually watched it. I know.

I feel shame for saying it. Number six is let me in. Yes, yes. Oh, okay. And number five is let the right one in. I'll buy that. They were both good, man. That's one of the rare ones that the American remake was just as good as the foreign original.

So, wait, let me in is the American remake, right? Yes. Okay. I think that makes sense because the original I think has to go a little bit higher than it. He also says, not sure I would have both versions on the same list, just go with one.

My pick is the original. There you go. I don't know. Yeah, I think you have. I agree. I think you, I agree with you Sacramento B. I think you have to include both. Sacramento B.

Let's see. The Cicramental Quilting Bee. The Sacramento Spelling Bee. It's a bunch of old ones. Hold on. L. L. E. T.

M. E. Okay. Sorry. Jay, is this, is the Sacramento be like a high school newspaper or something? I think so. Junior high, maybe. Okay.

Check out number four. See what you guys think. Black Swan. I like it, but it's not necessarily a horror movie. I only like one scene in it. Let me guess we've seen it. Are you serious, dude? I don't know.

It probably needs to be re-watched, but I didn't like it when I first watched it. Another metaphorical one. I think that's the direction they're going in this. But I mean, it's on a lot of different levels, too. I mean, it's not just metaphor, Phil. Oh, well, that's true. I thought it was pretty cool. It's kind of a mind fuck to watch it, though.

Yeah. Maybe Black Swan and the Babadook. Maybe that could be an episode where we delve deeper into these movies. Yeah, but the Babadook is not nearest confusing. Number three is paranormal activity. Okay, Jay. I'm out. Don't even do you.

I agree. I agree. But I think it's too hot. Yeah. I think, yeah, you're right. It's probably a little too high, but man, that's pretty iconic. That was like really, I mean, I know it sort of found footage, but it was the first one to do it like that. They sort of created their own new genre. And what they did for that budget they had? Yeah. You guys never heard of this movie called The Blair Witch Project from 1999? Yeah. What was that? All right. I'm done. But this is the 21st century. For the 21st century.

Oh, there I go again. There I go again. Just because it sort of, I mean, it's, it didn't create found footage, but it changed the way you can film found footage. It created found footage for the 21st century. All right. Fair enough. Yeah. I think it was pretty influential.

Okay. Get Out. Yes. Number two, which makes sense. And he says, although I like this movie too high on the list for me. Yeah, I think it gets a whole lot of critical acclaim. I mean, it's definitely a great movie, but I've been a little baffled by how everybody just completely loves it. I mean, it's great, but...

Well, it was my number two movie of that year. Yeah. Well, there you go. Maybe it belongs in that... The Exorcist Discussion. Really looking forward to his next movie. Yeah, me too. good cast so far.

Lapita Nyango and what is, Lance, what is the actress from The Handmaids Tale? Oh man, I cannot think of her name. The main chick? Yeah, she's in it. She's really, she's really big right now too, man. She's, yeah. I think she's got a lot of movies coming up. Oh, she's probably got people throwing opportunities at her.

I think she got a lot of comedy. She was in that one movie where they were in the, her and her husband were staying in, like, that cabin and they kept seeing versions of them. themselves. That was a really great... Elizabeth Moss. Yeah, I got to watch The Handmaids Tell. I have not started it yet. Maybe one of the best TV shows of all time, man.

I've seen a bunch of episodes here and there. I need to start it from the beginning. Yes, you do. You definitely... That's one you got to see from the first, man. Yeah. You can't jump in halfway. Okay, I'm looking it up. The movie that I'm talking about was called The One I Love. Have you all seen that? I think it was with Mark Dupless.

It was really good. They were like in the, they checked into this couples retreat trying to like get their marriage back on the right track again and they ended up like seeing other versions of themselves and shit like that. Like Mandela effect type stuff. It was a really good movie.

I don't know. Totally unexpected. I did not. Yeah. I'll check it out. I like him. Yeah, you'll like it. You'll definitely like it.

man. It's called, yeah, the one I love. I don't know where you can find it. I think I saw it on Netflix, but I don't know if it's still on there. Well, check it out. Number one on the list, top, number one movie of the 21st century is Hereditary. That's definitely up there. I mean... Maybe it's too high? Too soon, maybe? I don't know. Too high, too soon.

That's way up there, man. That's way up there. It's a great fucking movie, though. Good effort, Sacramento, B. But you have the misfires there. So Jay says, okay, I'll finally see this. Stop yelling at me, Lance. Oh, you can't watch it because Lance asked you,

but if the Sacramento B says... Oh, the Sacramento B. Those guys. All right, Jay. I don't know, man. They make these lists to be talked about, but I... Maybe I'm okay with Hereditary at the top of it.

Yeah? Yeah. It's somewhere up there, that's for sure. All right. So, back to the regular feedback. Since it's still October, you know what that means. Our man Marcus Will Turner and his 31 Days of Horthon, number 17, here's where you get to hear the best reviews for the best horror movies on 31 days.

You guys listen up. He says, What happens when you take a pesty groundhog day like time loop and infuse it with a teen slasher mystery? This sounds familiar, Brian. Deja vu even. You get happy death day. There you go.

I need a drum roll. A hilarious and lively feature that's as immersive as Bill Murray's classic comedy. Or at least I think so. I agree. Jessica Roth gives an exuberantly layered performance and carries the film beautifully. Had an absolute blast watching her die repeatedly while making me like her,

love her, hate her, and root for her all in one fail swoop. Not an easy task for a concept like this, but she rose to the occasion and I hope to see more of her talents in the future. Other than that, the film was a treat and a half, and we'll just have to see if the upcoming sequel matches or builds on the Stellar Foundation. 7.5 out of 10. Oh, nice.

Good review. I think that may be the same score I gave it. We all pretty much loved it. Yeah, I think I gave it a higher score. Yeah, I think we did, too, yeah. Let's see, 31 Dave Horthon number 19, even though this gets wiped out of the timeline. Oh, we missed 18. Marcus, if you're listening, brother, we can't find 18.

Help us out. Son of a bitch. Fail. Sorry, guys. You slipped through the cracks. Number 18. Well, we do have number 19. Even though this gets wiped out of the timeline,

due the reboot sequel, I ventured back to the night Michael Myers came home during the original continuity in Halloween 2. The little savage sequel that could. All right. With this continuation, you could tell the filmmakers wanted to raise the brutality with the body count being tripled from the previous film and they succeed. Also, the hospital setting is pretty standard by today's age, yet I appreciate

how the film made the most of it. Sadly, though, the film's biggest drawback is our essential duo of Laurie Strode and Dr. Loomis being somewhat toned down or left out of the story because the new characters that end up being nothing more than cannon fodder for the show. shape to the slaughter. While it's fun to see, it just didn't give the same impact. Once Pleasance

and Curtis finally get into the mix in the finale, the film picks up fast but ends with a bang just as quickly. I wanted more. Luckily, there's more in this franchise to see, so this is a relatively small bump. I just

hope that my page will scroll. I just hope the reboot and sequel delivers because I'm... Jesus Christ, need a computer. Hey, well, by now we know if the reboot slash sequel delivers, right? Because I'm ready for another Myers-Straud Showdown. Yes. Oh, I thought he was talking about the new, new one.

Oh, I guess this was a little bit older. Yeah. So whatever, dude, I'm looking forward to the next sequel. Um, his rating of Halloween 2 is 5.5 out of 10. I thought he was going to give it higher from what he was saying. Oh, well, I mean, you know, I think it's a realistic rating of the movie. Yep, more good than bad, right? Yeah.

Let's see. Horathon number 20, 21 and 22. Here we go. Since it'll be a few days before I hit the theater for the reboot sequel, I continued my trip down the original Halloween timeline for more. mass mayhem and heavy breathing. So with that came the triple feature of the

return, the revenge, and the curse of Michael Myers. Oh, boy. No Halloween 3, Marcus. Maybe that was the one, the 18 were missing. That's the one where they didn't even have Michael in it, right? He was in it. My favorite of every one of them.

He was in it. He was on a commercial on the TV. On the TV. first up the return of Myers was an exciting and vicious sequel to the original more so than part two in my opinion plus the introduction of Ellie Cornell and Danielle Harris alongside Donald Pleasance making center stage again was hugely welcomed I had a ball with this one no doubt next the revenge of Myers was decent but a bit challenging due to a few creative decisions that didn't mesh well with me. Though the third act makes up for it, even though overall it's not especially memorable compared to the other installments.

Lastly, the curse of Myers was just a bloody wacky on all sides of the spectrum, taking the story and mythology of the character in an iffy direction. The addition of an odd Paul Rudd. Remember that?

An odd Paul Rudd. What a sense? He's really odd in this movie. What is he doing in this? movie. I think this is his first movie or feature film. Was it? I think so.

I have a theory about that. Okay. I think he's Ant Man, dude. I think he shrunk down and I think he ended up in the fucking time continuum and popped up here. That's he. He could be there in the middle of the fucking snap right now. I don't know. That's what it is, dude. Think about it. Think about it. The addition of an odd Paul Rudd made it quite passable in retrospect, though. Unfortunately, its finale was short-lived and didn't completely casualized.

Didn't completely capitalize on the setup. Seems like there was more here, but it just didn't make the final cut. But despite the positives, negatives, and weirdness, I still enjoyed this triple feature for what it had to offer, which was darkness, violence, and Michael Mines. doing what he does best. Butchering people and making Halloween the staple of slasher's.

It's been for decades. Yeah. Now I'm ready and able to check out this new timeline that everyone's raving about. Can't wait to see what comes next. Ratings. Return is 7 out of 10. Revenge is 6 out of 10. Curse is 5.5 out of 10.

I am super excited to hear what he thinks about the new one. I wonder if he has the same opinion that Lars did. Not everybody's raving about it. Well, Lars kind of changed. Millennial Lars? Millennial Lars.

We're going to call him that from now on. No, we want. I'm sorry, Lars. He's going to stop listening to the show, man. What the fuck about? It's mad at you. Oh, that was funny. She's mad at millennial Lars.

Okay. So, regarding the poster for the farm, Marissa Ray Gates, says, why does this remind me of a book I read? Okay. Why does her name remind me of a serial killer? Oh, that very sound serial killer. What is the name again? Marissa Ray Gates.

We have, folks, we have our very own serial killer listening to the show. What? A female serial killer. You don't see that too often. That's sexy, man. I learned that from criminal minds. What does this remind me of a book argument? Kevin Ortiz says,

A remake? The original was crazy. The farm. Is this a remake? I don't think so. We reviewed the trailer like I think like last year

ago. Yeah, it was like a cannibal Texas chainsaw masker looking. I'm confused too, man. I remember reviewing it now. Yeah, I thought it was an original not the storyline, but I thought it was an original movie, not a

remake. I don't know. Maybe Kevin knows something we don't. Well, send us some knowledge, man. We're gonna, we're gonna find out. Hell, we'll do it with the new movie. Um, B. Germain. Hey, I got it again. No, our mandatory germine section.

Fuck, I thought I had it. Our weekly B. Germine update. Uh, God, I got it once, I swear to God. Checking out an early screening of Susperia, be jealous. Oh, man. I want to be the best. I'm hearing You feck in Australian

Oh wait That's Irish I'm hearing Suspira is going to be really Divisive With people watching Nice I love divisive Could have told you that

From the trailer Mark Ball Says I saw it about a month ago And I'm dying to know What people think about it What the fuck? How do we get a hold of that one? It's because

Everybody lives Where they can go to these like film festivals and stuff like that. I don't have nothing even remotely close to that up here. I thought they were like, hey guys, we made this movie and since you're so special,

sending you a copy right now. I did get asked to go watch that new, what is that submarine movie coming out with uh, Gerard Butler, Jesus.

Yeah, I got, I got invited to a screening. I passed. Yeah. You chose why. I'm sure. Well, if it was horror or something, that'd be different. Oh, well, I kind of felt like I had to be there, but...

Yeah. Submarine movie with, uh... What is his name again? I can't even... Gerard Butler. Yeah, that guy. From Paisley, Scotland. The 300 guy.

Jeez. Yep, 300 guy. Leonidas, that's what I called him for like a while. He's gone so far downhill since the days of Leonidas, man. That's true. But he'll always be great for that role. Regarding our Halloween episode, oh, this will be a good one. Yeah.

Patrick Lear says, great cast. Love hearing Pedro Nunezzes. Nunez's. That's a rough one. Unique perspective. This one has it all. Falvey and the Boop. Cradley booper.

Cradley booper. So, yeah. So our buddy Justin Xavier or Justin Smith. What is your name, dude? Is it an alter ego? Tell us what the fuck your name is, bitch. It's like Batman, man. You gotta have a, like a real...

I'm Batman. Yeah, which we probably just fucking ruined, man. I'm sorry. Anyhow, take a look at him on Facebook or go on to IMDB and check him out. And he looks a lot like Bradley Cooper. Go watch his movie. Sick for toys.

Yeah, six for toys. Check that one out. That'll solve everything right there. Anywho. He had not seen the OG Halloween before. Damn millennials, says Patrick. That surprised me, dude, when I heard that. I wasn't on that show, but you guys fucking kicked ass, by the way.

Really? Oh, fuck yes. It's my favorite horror returns episode ever. Oh, I don't know if I'd say that, man. Absolutely, dude. I was cutting people off left and right. I was freaking out. No, you were great, man.

I did not say a word because I told you off. no I was hung over as fuck oh that happens the whole spoiler section I think I just kind of it was almost like I was listening to a live podcast

of somebody else's show that I was really enjoying you guys did amazing well I'm glad we liked it I was nervous about how it was gonna turn out and I think we called him

a damn millennial on the show even though he's like obviously the most famous of all of us and I'm sure he's going on to an amazing movie he was a millennial Pedro called Lars a millennial

yeah there's millennials going everywhere well damn millennials uh sheree pierre shared a painting of Washington crossing the Delaware with someone humming the theme song to Jaws I like it Shiree

also posted Vampires suck your blood for vitamin D because they can't go out in the sun themselves. You ever think about that? No, you only think about yourself. Oh, boy. She's always got some weird shit, she puts up. Depending on the vampireists, I got a little back for you. All right.

Okay. I probably shouldn't have said that. Check out the podcast by the cemetery, episode seven, changing the subject. Haunted House. movies welcome grave diggers we are back together at last on this on this episode we will be discussing what we've been watching randles tunes from the crypt where he talks about the death doom band hooded menace sounds like that fes needs to be on that one yeah uh and then we review haunted house movies the legend of hell house and we are still here so grab your

shovels and let's dig in nice it's um By the Cemetery, episode 7. Oh, podcast by the cemetery, episode 7. Hey, I'm going to check that out. I've never heard it. Have you, Brian? No, but it's on the docket now. Sounds fabulous.

Yes, sir. Gene Turner. Hey, Gene. Hey, friend of the show, and our president singing cowboy. Thinking Cowboy. Check out our Western episode, another shameless. plug. I'm with Nez on the Amityville Horror.

I loved that movie. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't at least like it. It's a classic. Hell, I even kind of like the remake with Ryan Reynolds. Patrick Lear says, The original used to scare the shit out of me as a kid. Then I'd watch it again. Okay.

I don't know what that means. I think I know what it means, because when we reviewed it, that movie scared me when I was a kid until we rewatched it for the show. That's what I thought it meant. Okay. I can't read sarcasm, Patrick.

I'm sorry, buddy. I should be able to. Stephen Lope, they need a fucking font for that. Stephen Loblad says, oh no, hang on. Stephen Loblad says, so after listening to both ESP and the horror returns regarding Venom, it seems that Nez is the only one who didn't enjoy it. Hmm.

Poor Nez. I wish we'd talk to him about that. Hmm. All right. Samantha Bean says, saw these three movies and wondered if anybody has seen them. Ghost Stories looks pretty good.

Just getting ideas for more movies to add to my list this week. Ghost Stories Halloween. Jack and Afraid. Be your mind. Halloween Jack. Halloween Jack and a movie called Afraid. Okay. Ghost stories. Halloween.

Halloween Jack and afraid. Fuck me, man. I know it's a shitload of fucking feedback. And on the next section, don't ask. Thomas are your friends. Ladies and gentlemen. Bejermine. There you go.

Is that right? Yep. Yeah, okay, gotcha. Ghost stories for sure. It's really good. I haven't seen the other two, so I can't really say what they're like. Sarah Grantham says Halloween Jack is okay. I don't you ever seen Halloween Jack.

I've never heard of it. Well, I've heard of ghost stories. I don't even know what the hell the movie is. Oh, I think my next episode will have a review of the new Halloween from Samantha Bean. Oh, fun, fun. That'll be interesting. Man, she's really dove head first into this horror thing, huh? Yeah, and for somebody that never watched it or doesn't like it, I enjoy reading her reviews. I know. They're usually pretty great. Maybe we'll have her on the show one day. Oh, that'd be fun.

Samantha, if you're listening, let us know. We'll put you on it. She's definitely listening. A friend of the show, director Mike J. Maren. shared information about the screening of his film, The Smudging. Save the dates. Next Wednesday, Bay Area, the final public screening is in North Cali. First 30 guests get an exclusive poster. Spread the word. Hope to see you there.

And I think that's already passed. And of course, Nez isn't quite here yet, so you can't ask him about it. But that's his boy, man. And hopefully we'll have him in an interview pretty soon. Oh, yeah. And I know the movie will be coming out on Blu-ray and DVD soon, so everybody goes support independent artists that do stuff, you know. Yep.

Help them out. Yeah. Yeah, maybe we'll have a review of the movie coming, too. Look, I'm excited to see it. Fingers crossed, man. Let's see. Nez, you and Mike go way back. Yeah, he's not working here, man.

I kept trying to hint, dude. Sorry, man. I'm an idiot. We'll edit that out too. Well, that's it for feedback this week. Thanks to everybody who reaches out to us. We love your ideas and everything. You can always reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com.

We've gotten a couple of really great emails so far. Thanks, Jay. And don't forget, we're still running the contest, so be sure to give us a five-star rating on iTunes. And you can still get a hold of that awesome t-shirt. Yes. Check us out on all the other social media's Facebook group page is where most of our guys hang out and where we get most of our feedback from. So join those guys.

It's a hell of a time, never boring. They don't get all fucking political. So check it out. All right. And now it's time for our featured attractions. And look who's just joined us, man, arriving from his private jet. It's the Nez. What's up, man?

Yo, what's up guys? I'm here, back in the place to be. Yeah. And boy, his arms tired. Getting off that solid gold private jet, huh? Yeah, man, things are backed up today, so. But right now, we're good. All right, badass. Well, Halloween month continues with the 1986 heavy metal horror movie, or is it horrible heavy metal horror? we shall see.

Trick or treat, as well as the anthology film Trick or Treat. Trick or treat, whatever. We'll start with the older one, Trick or Treat. A little bit of trivia is directed by Charles Martin Smith. You horror fans should definitely be familiar

with this name, right, Brian? Lots of horror movies, right? Yep. For example, a dolphin tail and air bud. Oh, air bud, huh? And here we go. This is a writer by committee.

Michael S. Murphy, Joel S.on, Rhett Topham, Glenn Morgan, and James Wong. Man, with that many writers, Nez, what could go long? That's racist, you're fired. Yeah, with today's standard, you're fired.

It was our podcast. So fuck them, right? Oh yeah, true. All songs in the movie are written by the band Fastway, which consisted of former motorhead guitarist, Fast Eddie Clark, and current flogging Molly vocalist Dave King. I had no idea.

Me neither. Wasp frontman Black Lawless had auditioned to play Sammy Kerr. He was close to getting the role, plus he even offered to do the whole soundtrack album. However, when director Charles Martin Smith, told him that they got Fastway to do the soundtrack and that he would be lip-sinking to them in typical narcissistic

hair metal fashion Blackie refused the role saying fuck you! I don't need Fastway's music. I've got my own band you motherfuckers or something. Blackie's an artist. So, uh, trick or treat. Nez, I know you go back with this movie. Am I right? Oh yeah, but really quick. If Blackie Lawless

and Wasp would have done this soundtrack? I think it would have been a little harder. I mean, I love Fastball. Yeah. I love the music of what they did in this film, but, oh, I said, I didn't know that trivia. The only trivia I knew was the director was the nerd guy in American graffiti.

Oh, shit. Yeah, he was also in the movie. He's the principal of the school. Oh, no. Yeah. And he was also in John Carpenter's Starman. Man. Shit, there was some other movies.

But I mainly remember him from American Graffiti, as well as the second one. But this movie was fucking awesome. I loved it. I remember the first trailer I saw. I can't remember what movie I went and seen back in the good old days. And I mean, I was a pure metal head by then already. Deep into Metallica and Anthrax and Slayer. as well as kiss

shout out to jean simmons it's a nuke in this movie but and awesome and Aussie of course um but i was like all right cool heavy metal horror movie let's see it the only thing that kind of late that made me uh like uh okay

was was uh mark price skippy right for my family ties oh yeah i was like i'm not i still don't buy it but it's an awesome movie I was like, okay, whatever. Opening weekend, I went and seen it, and I fucking love it.

Like I said, man, and the fucking soundtrack just made this movie rock. Why am I not surprised? Nistalgia section. 80s metal head as well as 80s horror guy. And man, this movie was cheesy as fuck and it was stupid and parts made no sense. But this movie fucking rock, man. I love this movie. Oh, wow.

Now. Okay. Man, you know how I felt about it, Nez, when I started watching it, dude, because I sent you a text, right? Yeah. What did I say? Oh, fuck. I don't remember. I said hella good, man. Helly good. Guess what? That was 15 minutes into it.

About 30 minutes into it, it wasn't so hella good, man. This movie went fucking way off the rails from me, dude. I mean, it's fun, and it was awesome. and I remember watching it growing up or by the time I was just out of high school as about when it first came out but god damn dude this thing what you know what bothered me

was where the fuck were all the kills man oh it was a couple it wasn't the greatest I mean the effects I loved it that was stupid and cheesy but nothing too brutal in this death wire Except for maybe when he blew up, I know this is an old movie, you guys should have seen it already,

when he blew up Humpty Dumpty at the dance. As far as that, I mean, there wasn't really much death and dismemberment. I mean, the really gory scene in this film was when that girl put in that tape that Skippy made for him, a ragman, if he's want to call him that. Right. And she played it and made her ears turn to goo. That was about it, but she didn't die. Yeah, they said later she was in the hospital.

Yeah, but that was an awesome scene. Super great boobies, by the way. I get those of that. You got to get some points for that. Thank you for the 80s nudity in these films. I mean, watching this again, I've seen this movie a million times, but watching it again and watching a lot of these old, 80s horror films

I mean these are all supposed to be my bad these are all supposed to be teenagers and the TNA in these horror movies is like I mean we all know they're of age though

right at least we hope they are right good point I mean a pool party in high school and they're all topless in the in the school in the school

in the school gymnasium pool, no less. Yeah, it worries me because I have kids. They're not that far from that. I've been to many pool parties during high school. No one was ever topless, so... Nope. I call it bullshit right there. Yeah, I don't know.

I think I used to have a pool, man, when I was growing up, and we had a big graduation party. I think a couple of the chicks got topless. Well, graduation, I guess I can see that. But, like, just a pool party at the school with 50 fucking people there and they're all just topless and party in? It was the 80s, dude.

Actually, this movie was made the same exact year as my graduation party, so there. Oh, do that. Well, maybe they're right. I mean, what this movie was, what it was capitalizing on was the whole, at the time in the 80s, I mean, they don't give a shit now

because, I mean, there is vinyl now. It is making a comeback, but this was, all going with the the backward messaging on these devil music and

I mean because during all all the 80s and stuff there was that stuff when Ozzy's supposed to put messages in his music as well as that big court case they had with Judas priests when they're saying that the music told them to kill themselves

he actually here I want to say it was around here in Nevada because I remember the court case was here was going on here and it was a big deal but yeah they were just kind of just okay this is going on this is a story let's do something with it I mean I thought the story for the time 86 I mean it was cool and just also jumping on to the

80s hair band type of it wasn't really heavy metal it was more of a to me it was more of a hard rock band yeah I had that issue too it was like more Can we get one of these movies It's a little more Metallica and less Docking? I mean, it was cool for what it was. I mean, I loved how just this kid was so fascinated with his rock star. I mean, like I was.

I was fascinated with Kiss and Gene Simmons because he was fucking the fire breathing, blood spitting demon in the band. And I was fascinated with something like that. So I kind of took this as not really me and being stupid like this kid in the movie, but like I had my idols. I had Gene Simmons on my wall. I had Ozzy on my wall. And especially, man, when Randy Rhodes died at the time or even Cliff Burton, when he passed in Metallica, man.

We were like, fuck, man. I mean, I felt to this kid in the story like, damn, like your heroes fucking pass away. Or even going backwards, I mean, going back to maybe our parents when. John Lennon dies or something like that. I remember that. Or even now, rolling forward into the 90s when Kurt Cobain passed away, a lot of people felt like this kid. But, I mean, I like that part of it.

And then after that, once the story got going, it just got real cheesy and stupid. But I just loved it because, I mean, it kept me entertained the whole time. I'm picturing this the very first time I'd watch it, and I just watched it again yesterday. and I still love this film. I mean, the characters were goofy.

I mean, mainly Mark Spiffy Price is what he likes to go by now. I think he's a stand-up comedian now. We grew up in the 80s watching him on Family Ties, and he was the nerd of Alex P. Keaton, his friend. And to see him in this role, I didn't buy it. And a lot of people didn't buy it. No, he was good for the role, man. Now, that I disagree with.

I thought he was perfect for that role. He's kind of goofy. We were so used to seeing this nerdy glass guy every week on family ties. And then, okay, we're going to throw him in this movie. And now he's this quote unquote metalhead. He's a wannabe metalhead, dude. He's an outsider. He's bullied at school, man.

He's a nerd. He's a geek. Totally. Because I felt that part as well. I mean, watching this the very first time and then watching, it yesterday and going through not being the nerd or anything but going through in my high school

of being that metal head skater the jocks and the preppy's at the time is what we called them I don't know what you guys call them now but they did look down at us I mean especially me I went to a school that was up in the hills it was a nicer school but I lived I lived down in the flatlands in Oakland so they kind of they needed their quota

of Native Americans so they bust us those little hood racks, they bust us up in the school. So other than that, being in a, I mean, I mean, the only way to put it is not being white in an almost all-white school. It was, they looked at me different that way. And then being a metal head with long hair and wearing my Slayer shirts. And I mean, like Skippy, like he was doing, I didn't go as far as look like him. But I had my jeans and my, my fucking metal shirts and my skateboard and long hair.

and had my Walkman listening to all the anthrax and stuff like that. I mean, they did judge me that way. I felt that for for a Ragman's character in this and how he was being bullied by the, I assume they were just dogs. They were more like preppy guys. I mean, because that very beginning monologue when he's the showing the life of him in school

and to them just fucking with him. And I mean, yeah, I felt that scene. The very first time I saw it watching that, I was like, fuck, man. Like, you want to do that. You want to go fuck these guys up that. Oh, yeah. And, I mean, I still feel that.

And today, I mean, if kids watch this today, they're still being bullied in school. I mean, it's not a cool thing. I mean, as I grew older and my crew got bigger, we were like the guys that would defend for the, the only way I can say is the not so tough, the week or whatever. I don't want to say weak. That's kind of mean. But the guys that were getting bullied, we would step up and then fuck you. guys up for bullying the kids. I mean, so he didn't have that there.

He had his other buddy with him that was another, quote-unquote, nerd. And, but I mean, I felt that for him. But then once the whole Sammy Kerr thing, I mean, I understood him as well as the political aspect of the, when they show the news scene, when they're talking about when Sammy Kurt dies, he was actually in court. And the PMRC, I don't know what it is now, when Tipper Gore was running an old thing, saying that these, the hip hop, the metal and stuff like that, the song, the lyrics and the song, this was all before they put those little parental

stickers on the albums and cassettes back then. Parental guidance. Yeah, I think they still do it today. I mean, I know a lot of people don't buy physical media anymore, but, I mean, it's still there, even if you download it from iTunes, there is that parental guidance deal. I mean, that also was a big issue in the 80s, so I liked that they added that. Right. As far as the Sammy Kerr character, I know there was bands like that.

You had Kiss, you had Wasp, and there were some other bands that had the gimmick of being, quote, unquote, satanic or evil is what you call it. And even in this video or the newscast, they show him biting the, you know, the head off of a snake and spilling blood all over. I mean, Ozzy style. Yeah, that was 80s and that was awesome. How much cooler would it have been if it was Blackie, though, man? Yeah, see, I did not know any of that about Blackie.

That would have been awesome. The soundtrack, to me, would have been a lot harder. Right. The fast way. But, I mean, but speaking of Fastway, it was a good soundtrack. The songs, to me, in the 80s, I still listen to it today. I have the actual soundtrack on my phone. I bought the kids.

Actually, when I first saw this film... Why does that not surprise me? I'm a child of the age is all the way. When after the first time I'd seen this, after I saw it, I fucking, this movie fucking rocks. I stayed all the way to the end of the credits to listen to that last song. Oh, yeah. I believe it's, um, after midnight is a song that's playing during the credits. And at the very end, there is an after credit scene with Ozzy.

remember what he said. Oh, I totally missed that. It's at the very, very end. It was nothing important, but he's there at the end. Just more right next to your witchboard soundtrack? Yep. I left the theater and went to, back in the good old days, there was these plays called Tower Records or Rainbow Record or Warehouse Records.

I mean, those are long gone now, but fuck, I went to, I believe it was Rainbow Records. I went there, went over to the soundtrack section, and bought the cassette tape. I wish I still had it, but I'm probably my mom probably threw it away or I lost it somewhere. But it thought the whole soundtrack is on iTunes. You can buy it. There's a clear copy

on YouTube. I believe it's just now coming out on Blu-ray. A German company has put it out. I haven't bought it. I have it on VHS and two copies of it on DVD. And fuck it, I'm going to spend that money for the German import and buy it on Blu-ray because

I fucking love this movie. You were an interesting dude, man. I would watch a story of your life, Nez. Well, hold on. Hold on. I got to, guys, I got to know, Brian, you're the, you're the youngster, dude. What did you think about this cheesy 1986 heavy metal movie? This movie was, like you said, cheesy as fuck.

A lot of it didn't make sense. but you know what, I fucking love this movie. I had so much fucking fun watching this movie. Why not? Lance, Lance, I agree with you. Skippy, I think he was good for the role. I bought this kid that was, I think, I see him as a geek first that just fell in love with heavy metal.

That's a good way to do. And that just made him. He's kind of glammed out in one of those scenes. Oh, I did not like that. I hated guys that dressed that way. That was so stupid. but those are the guys we would beat up. Oh,

and I love a movie where, where the bullies get there, I guess how you would say, their comeuppins. These grown-ass men that are supposed to be high school kids. I just, I love these movies when this happens. And, uh,

but I, my, my, my one gripe is I wish, uh, Sammy Kerr, I wish he did more in this movie. Yeah.

I mean, the, the, kills were kind of weak and I don't know. It's like Electro and Spider-Man 3. Yeah, because you had the whole carry scene. Whatever, you know, the other Spider-Man. Yeah, you had the whole carry scene with the high school

dance where he's just, you know, shooting people with lightning bolts. I just wanted more than that. Yeah, and I was, but overall, I was going to say, I wish there was a Blu-ray of this, but now you're telling me there's a Blu-ray of this? Is this a

all-region Blu-Bul-ray? Yeah, it's all-region. It's a German import. It shall be in my collection soon now. I kind of want, there's two different ones. There's one that says Ragman and there's another one that says trick or treat. I mean, I love this movie so much. I want both of those.

Oh, wow. I like this other title. I like this other title. They had Death at 33 RPM. Oh, that's kind of neat. Clever. Original. But, yeah, overall, this, I just I can't believe it's taking me this long. This is a first time watch.

First of all That Boombox must have been Really loud Because they were just playing With a table full of cassettes And it was like full blast And sounded good

I was like there's no way that radio Could have made that That much noise And as far as As far as Do they even make those anymore? I don't think so For you younger listeners

that I have no idea what we're talking about, just Google Bloombox. Yeah, that's what we had back in the day. And if you didn't know what that... You can plug your phone into him now. Oh, that's true. And if you didn't know... And that thing he had on his waist

was a Walkman, for those of you don't have no idea what that was. Classic. Way better than the Discman, by the way. Oh, yeah, the Discman. That was a bad idea. That was a bad idea. I mean, the performance

of the band, I mean, I loved it. It's stupid and cheesy, but it still makes me laugh. Either this song was old, and everybody knew it. I wasn't too sure if it was on the unreleased album that The Ragman,

that Noob gave The Ragman. It's like they fucking just joined right in, knew the song, knew the solos. I was like, okay, whatever. That's good point. And the other thing was like, how fucking bad was. was his lip sinking.

I was like, he... Way off, huh? He was way off. He was live and it sounded like just like a, like you, you heard the hiss of the record still. He was singing live. All right, guys. They might clean that up in the Blu-ray release, you know?

Yeah. Oh. If you look at the DVD releases that they're still out there, I think they're still printing them. If you look at the cover, their selling point is trick-or-treat, starring Gene Simmons and Ozzy Osbourne. Yes, I saw that.

With their pictures on the cover, and I'm like, fucking. Gene Simmons is only in one scene for like maybe two, three minutes, and Ozzy is in it for like maybe a minute. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, but those were good scenes. I mean, I love Gene Simmons as an actor. He did amazing roles and Tom Selleck's runaway. He was also the bad guy and wanted Dead or Alive

with Rector Howard. Sure. Remember that TV show in HBO, the Hitchhiker? Or it was just called Hitch. He played a drug dealer in one of those anthology shows. And he pops up in things here and there. I always thought Gene Simmons was a good actor. He didn't do a lot when he popped up somewhere.

It was always cool. And he fit the little role that he was just the DJ. Yeah, he's perfect. And it was cool. I mean, he wasn't in it too long. He had his, he did, he served his purpose. One of the greatest DJ lines ever. What's that?

Oh, he says, oh damn it, I can't remember what he says now. Off top of my head, you put me on the spot. Oh, like, on this fine,

pine, October morning. That's right. I mean, he was, it was, it was quick, when he first comes on the scene,

you just see the microphone in it. It's party time, yeah. And then he just goes into his whole spiel. I mean, that was, that was fucking Jean. It was awesome.

man, I love Gene Simmons. Like I said, his posters were on my wall. When I met him at Comic Con one year, I shit you guys not. This was maybe a few years ago. I was so fucking nervous and my knees were shaking. I couldn't believe I was about to meet the god of thunder. The demon, the demon. Gene Simmons, he's fucking, I loved him.

He was really cool. Yeah. He fucking signed my CD. He signed my comic book. Everything. He was fucking amazing. That's the only time I met him. And fucking it was awesome

But I mean his scene was cool in this And even Ozzy From what I understand I was listening to One interview And they asked somebody asked Ozzy about this movie He said I don't fucking remember

I was so fucked up He was so fucked up Yeah I believe that He said he just read the lines And they They threw it But he was perfect man

He was He was a Like a televangelist or a priest Or something And he Oh yeah I mean, as far, I mean, he knew that, like, firsthand because everybody in the 80s were going after Ozzy saying that his lyrics were this, his lyrics with that, and he's no good, and he's the son of the devil or he calls himself the prince of fucking darkness. I mean, that's Ozzy, I mean, to a T, so that was perfect, and it was funny to see him to do that role.

He's done other things, but I think this to me is probably his best role he had done. He ain't dude just done too much, but I think that's what the movie was about. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just like the, how ridiculous it is that people think that if you listen to heavy metal, evil spirits are going to come out. This guy's evil, you know?

And I think that they just put that into a visual and kind of made a parody out of it, which is why Ozzy was in it in the first place, I'm sure, because he played that part that everybody was zeroed in on him for, you know? And as you were talking about Tipper Gore and her little fight against rock music, I mean, that shit was real. Dude, people were pissed off at rock music. And to look back at it now, it's kind of ridiculous. Frank Zappa showed up in court, remember?

You remember that, Nez? Yeah, I do. Was he there? Yeah, he was just trying to make it. He was making a point of how ridiculous everything was. Oh, okay, I got you. Yeah. I remember 666, the number of the beast, Nez?

Yeah. Philip, I know you're an Iron Maiden fan. Oh, yeah. that's one of my favorite bands I mean the what would they call it the satanic panic right yeah everybody was worried especially

Ozzy he was like the Marilyn Manson of the 80s yeah I mean this this movie I mean cheesy cheese wise I mean the now that you guys mentioned it I mean there was kills in it but it was nothing too spectacular and every

every kill was pretty fucking cheesy and the Sammy Curris Supposedably supposed to be in this electro demon saintness after he died. I thought the stupidest scene that he was in, the movie's stupid, okay, but the stupidest scene that he was involved in was when they were in the bathroom. And he like stumbles over. I can't remember what he stumbled over. And his hand goes in the toilet and, ah, ah!

But it's water, Ness. It's water. He is electricity. okay who's that who said oh man this is gonna be awesome let's do this I was like oh my God it's fucking

that that's how awesome and cheesy this movie is I mean they did try to hit you home with all the the political correctness of hating metal and the Satanism and all that I mean I'd like that they did that but then they just made it like

like Brian said they made it a fun ride and just added all this other cheesy shit on top of it and fucking but I mean I do the way to make that I love it man it's fucking awesome I could talk all night about this movie well this is uh this this movie when you heard we were doing this movie as you said you had to swing by right oh fuck yeah I mean this this is the shit

man it's it's fucking yeah I know everyone doesn't like it I remember I was listening to uh fuck I can't remember the podcast and they watched this movie for the first time. They were actually doing a commentary for it and they fucking just tore this movie apart. This is a shitty movie. Yeah, these were a young 20-year-old guy. And it was something that their father said, oh, you guys should watch this movie and do it.

So they did it and they were like, their dad popped in every now and then. It was like, oh, man, I love this part. And then they were like, Dad, get out of here. Get the fuck out of here. That's why I wanted to know what Brian thought about it, man. Kind of from the younger generation, you know. I think I was the young one, actually, but I'm a metalhead. Oh, okay.

Yeah, but you're an old soul, Phil. We know that. Yeah, that's true. You're an old metalhead from way back, dude. Other than Lance, have you guys, Brian or Phil, have you guys heard of this before? I've heard of it. I've just escaped me all these years. I have not.

I didn't know what it was. And yeah, when I was searching through, you would think, because I'm a huge Ozzy fan. But when I was searching through the movies, trick or treat, okay, what are we going to find here? Oh, nope, that's an old episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. That's not what I want. Keep looking through and I'm like, what is this? There's a guy on the front with a guitar. It's got Aussie.

It's got Gene Simmons. How the fuck have I not heard of this movie? and so I asked you guys just to make sure I was like okay I'm watching it either way but I've only got time to watch one movie right now I just want to make sure I'm the right one and man I had a blast with it I mean it was it's terrible

but yeah it was a lot of fun terrible it's one of those where it's so bad that it's good and Gene Simmons was amazing in it he's probably the best actor in the movie but what are you going to do I wanted it I think he could have did a little more. Maybe he could have even had a battle with Sammy Kerb.

Oh, that would have been great. I wish they'd have put him in the movie more. In the story, I mean, in the beginning, when Ragman is talking to Newk, he's telling him how much, he goes, yeah, everywhere he went, people were fucking him over. And Newk was telling Ragman, he was like, you didn't know him. He kind of just bought into his own hype, and he did it to himself. because in the movie Sammy Kerr died in a hotel fire later on in the film

when Ragman is listening to the unreleased Sammy Kerr album he kind of goes into a little trance and he has a vision where he sees the hotel fire so it was basically what I got out of that scene

is Sammy Kerr basically just was like did whatever he was doing and sacrificed himself because he was sitting there in the middle of a ring of and the whole place was blurring up. I just... I was wondering what the... He just killed himself to, I get, to be more metal or something.

That's what I... Beyond the grave. I was wondering what the motivation was for coming back and killing all his fans, but... I was like, ah, well, look at what we're watching. Yeah, I, uh... Hey, Phil, I, uh, you remember that episode of Horror Mafia we did? Uh, horrible, horrible horror, heavy metal or whatever? Oh, I do.

one of my favorite shows ever. Yeah, I messaged Donnie Rings, man, while I was watching this. I said, dude, why the fuck didn't you get this movie in to the show? And he said, man, I know I championed for it. It's like my favorite ever, but, you know, I got outvoted, basically. So this movie almost made it onto there. You would have seen it before. It was great. And I'm glad we got to watch the other three movies that they did. I hope there's more of these that I don't know about. I can't wait to see them. Nah, you could probably give us a laundry list, right? Oh, fuck.

I don't know. I would have to sit there and think about it. The ones you guys did on that episode, man, those are a few of them, but I didn't like them as much as trick-or-treat. Well, yeah, definitely. This is a better movie. I mean, you still want to get a little more into the background of the whole reasoning. This is all what I think. I'm not too sure.

I didn't write the story. But the reason why he was using Ragman, because he basically said it in that. at a little news interview. He said, if you try to come after us, we're going to take you down. And that's what he was doing. That's what he said. So.

Damn the man. By you, yeah, by using Ragman's, because he was the one that was being bullied and ridiculed because of how he looked and everything. He was basically using him as a puppet. Like,

you know what? You have, you, I understand you. You understand me. Let's get these fuckers. And I'm going to help you do it. So basically just kill all the job.

kill all the prepees or whatever that you want to call him now yeah and fucking so he used them but then uh ragman was all about it at first but then when uh that one bitch girl that oh yeah the one that we kept teasing him yeah she was fucking i don't care that scene was awesome it was awesome animation when the little green hands or came out of the oh yeah it's it started taking her clothes off and then she uh made her go downstairs A pretty sexy scene, I got to say. Couldn't figure out why she was in that car or like starting to masturbate and stuff.

I wasn't mad at it. It's the 80s, man. What'd you say, Phil? I said I wasn't mad at it. That's for sure. Yeah, and whoever do... Thank you. Hey, you guys ready for scores

and we got another movie to cover, man. All right, Naz, keep going. No, no, I'm just saying. I'm sorry. I'm going to give it a nine because of the there only there was a few scenes that were like really but I mean other than that I enjoy I enjoyed it I enjoy this movie and I do love it

it was just I couldn't buy a skippy as it that's just me I mean dude I'm with you I see that thing for you huh yeah other than that I give it a nine all right so Nez tell us more man because I know you love talking about this movie Why do you give a horror movie a nine when there's almost no fucking kills in it until the very end? The fucking soundtrack would get most of the points.

I was a fan of Fastway. And like I said, I still do bump this soundtrack, even if it's not October. Fucking my love for Gene Simmons and my love for Ozzy. Yes, they're only in it for a minute. But at the time in the 80s, I think, like I said, I felt the pain of this kid of being the the outcast and people fucking with him just for the way he looked. I mean, I was, I was Ragman. I was Skippy.

Right. Not so much the nerdy part of it. Not quite as nebish, huh? Yeah, but I felt his pain, but I wasn't go as far as being stupid and raising the dead and insane tantalic rituals. And I never did that stupid shit. You thought about it. Oh, of course. I mean, we all did.

It was fucking, it was fucking beat into our head all the time. The power. On how bad it is. I mean, you let me. My uncle, man, God rest of the soul, and I love him to death. But he also called my music devil music. I mean, my mom, my mom did. Oh, yeah.

My dad didn't give a fuck what we were listening to. But, yeah, and even people, kids in school, it didn't listen to that. They were listening to fucking Rick Springfield and Huey Lewis in the news. And, like, fucking, I'm listening to Slayer and fucking venom and raven and shit like that. And you're, fuck. I mean, they did say our music was fucking. fucking evil and it just tells you to kill yourself and fucking all this man fuck metal wasn't about that yes there was they had people that had the gimmish

but I think mainly because I I felt for his character because I felt his pain of being the outcast and people fucking with him I never got as far as got beat up by by these guys because fuck that I didn't play that shit right let me know yeah that that that was that was a reason for why I really love this film because I felt for this kid. I gotcha. It makes sense, man. I'll bring it a little bit more down to earth, man. I've got to give it a six

and a half. Like I said, first 10 or 50 minutes, I was ready to go 9, man. Full out 9. I remembered watching this, like 87, 88, like when it first came out. Fucking loving the movie, but I got to tell you, man, I was really disappointed. You know what the turning point

was for me, guys, was the scene where he had that fucking douchebag. Dead to right. man with that drill coming right after him and he fucking turned it off and I'm like you gotta be kidding me man it's got a heart man you can have a heart with this fucking asshole all right six and a half but that's still pretty damn good right oh way higher than I expected it to be wow is it me or you uh Brian uh I'm gonna go eight I I really have fun with this movie and I also was

the right state of mind because there might have been some stuff that was more funnier than it should be. The whole chase scene when the dude, he slips on the spilled water. He didn't fall down the stairs.

He completely cleared every single one of them. And it's that kind of stuff that. People who can't use things in the commercials. And for that reason, I've grown in love for this movie. So I'll be give it an That's pretty good, man.

I'm going to say realistically, I'm going to give it a, man. Man, I want to kind of go, I'm going to give it a 6.75. Can I do that? Very nice, yeah. Whatever you can do whatever we want. It's our podcast. I mean, realistically, it's a realist, realistically, it's a terrible movie. It really is.

But just for the soundtrack and the heavy metal aspect of it and how kind of dumb fun it is. is yeah, I wasn't in the right mind, but at least I had a couple of beers, and it was after a long day, so I was zoned anyway. And I had a blast with it. I'm glad I watched it, and I hope that I find some more heavy metal movies with some other really cool stars that I didn't know were in it. Fucking Gene Simmons, man. Great. Great.

I know what song I'm putting at the end of this episode, and it's actually going to be a little change of pace. Not necessarily rock. But you'll hear the soundtrack in it. Can't wait to hear it. Yeah. All right. So, uh, well, real quick. Speaking of the soundtrack, um, I really didn't care for the, uh, the main trick or treat

song. It was cool when I first saw it, but then I listened to it a little too much. Uh, I think my favorite song of this plus it fit the scene was, uh, the song stand up that was in the very, the very beginning. Yeah. It was real, it was real slow and mellow and it went with the tone of, uh, when Ragman was writing this letter to Sammy and the monologue of the

or the fucking the scenes that were showing of his life. I mean, I thought that song just went perfect with it. I think everything on the soundtrack, that's my favorite song, the stand-up song. Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Oh, and I'm definitely taking your recommendations too, Nez. Thank you. Right on.

Good. So we got, we all highly recommend this movie. It sounds like maybe another. Halloween tradition, right? No, it's all mine. For me, it is. I'll take it. And Nez definitely

recommends the soundtrack. I have like an annual heavy metal show. Oh, man. All right. I know Nez will be on every year if we do that. All right, so now we're going to move on to trick or treat. Trick or treat.

Fuck it, it's still trick or treat. It's just an R. All right. Tricky. This was a 2007 anthology. movie, it's actually gained quite a cult following, wouldn't you say, Brian? Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, there's comic books and

rumors of a sequel. Really? And it was written and directed by Michael Dowardy, and Brian, you know what he's got coming up, right? Talk about how to profile. Godzilla, King of the Monsters.

It's a very big jump for him. What was his other movie? Cranpice. Yeah, Crampus was badass, man. Yeah. Yeah, I keep so good. I never thought. Yeah, you go for trick-a-treat and crampus and then you jump all the way to a multi-million

dollar movie, Godzilla sequel. That's a big leap for him. That's a cool. Bad ass. Well, it's a couple of little pieces of trivia. Probably no surprise. Characters from each story are frequently seen in the background of other stories.

And I don't know if you guys knew this, but little people were used to fill in for kids trick-or-treating. The film was shot mainly at night, and real kids were not allowed to work during those hours. So what do you think? That shouldn't be so funny. I'm sorry. Nah, that's funny, man.

Hey, Nez, our guest, man, what do you think about trick or treat? I love this film. I just love these horror anthology films, and I love the, you guys should have all seen this by now. I love the pulp fiction style. I mean, when these type of films, that's what I always think. I mean, going back to bad times as the air reality, which was fucking hell yeah, hell of good, man.

Not boarding that one minute was fucking awesome. But anyway. We definitely used a Tarantino style. I love what they did, how the stories all jumped around, and I love how they all threw in a character from a story you heard earlier or something like, or just the scene, and how the ending all wrapped it all up. Sam is just a

What year did this come out? 2007, dude, it was only like about 10 years ago. Okay, I mean, that character, I didn't see this during the theatrical run. So, actually, I just recently saw it. I don't think a lot of people did see it during the theatrical run. I remember it in the theater, but I just saw it recently. But I just, I loved it.

I mean, the story was good. all the actors that were in it, you did know you've seen them and other things. I saw that Brian Singer was the producer of this film. Okay. And it was cool. Each little story was cool. And I liked how they made you think one thing and then it would totally go the other direction. I mean, I love that about each story and acting and everything was cool.

I thought, I'm sure the little character of Sam, I know it was a little kid as well. as a little person because the little kid that was in Sam costume during some scenes, he was the little peeping Tom with the girl scene when they were all getting. Right. That's fucking horn dog. Yeah. You got to start sometime. Right. Start when you won't get in trouble. Hey, good point. Good advice for all the kids listening. but overall

this movie was awesome I loved every minute of it and like I said each little story was awesome and how it all tied up at the end was spectacular well done what do you guys think okay I'm gonna go

because I step on people anyway and that's what I do I had no idea that it was an anthology until Ness said something just now. I was like oh shit it is. There's a bunch of little different stories

in this. That makes it automatically amazing to me because I didn't realize that that was happening. I had a lot of fun during this one. I thought it was kind of cool because you did get to follow each storyline and it was like

things were happening all the time. There wasn't like any really down points. Right. Agreed. I think the, you know, the bad guy was pretty cool, the little, the little pumpkin guy. I like, yeah. And he got shotgun blasted and pumpkin shit went everywhere. He was still kicking ass, so he was, I guess, the one that made it through all the little anthologies. I don't know if they could do it now because of the use of mentally challenged individuals.

Why not, dude? I mean, it's a movie, man. I think somebody would be mad about that. I think it goes with the scene because I think you were supposed to be mad that these parents would actually do this. Yeah, that's true. And you also got to go back to when that story, when dealing with the kids in the bus, that was different times. Well, but then they were picking on the girl who was an idiot savant, so they called her. Well, they got theirs.

Yeah. Which I still loved it. I don't have a problem with it at all. But I don't know if they could make it now. This movie was pretty great, man. I'd never seen it before. Yeah, I love the retailing of the little red riding hood storyline, but with like super hot chicks and costume and stuff like all.

She's the big bad wolf now. Cool. Yeah, that was a good thing. Yeah, I thought it was a great script. I really, I love this the first time I saw it. and, you know, I try to watch it every once in a while. Dylan Baker, though, man, he just, he steals the show handing up the fucking poison candy and shit. That's, uh, yeah, that's, were you kind of rooting for him a little bit?

In a weird way, yes. In a weird way, yes. What, Brian, what did you think, man? Was it, what, rooting for him? Yeah, the principal guy? Oh, hell no. I wanted to see his little annoying ass son get it, too, screaming. out the window. I just kept

thinking, shut the fuck up! Shut the fuck up! Charlie Brown's an asshole. Well, that's what he was dealing with. Man, no wonder he was crazy as bug shit crazy, you know? Well, he was, I don't know if I can get behind somebody murdering children. I mean, he had

more children in that hole that he had already killed, so... Yeah, but just that stupid. I was kind of sick. I always thought that was his wife. Because remember they said his wife died? Oh. Yeah, you know, rewatching it, I did think that, but the bodies look kind of, kind of small to be an adult.

So I don't know. I mean, the other thing that was cool about that first story was a little fat kid from Bad Santa. Oh, yeah. But that was cool to see him in it. I didn't realize. Did they? I just wasn't really paying attention. Did they go?

I know a lot of it was practical effects. Did they go do any CGI? in this? Not that I could remember. No, I think it might have been. Some of the wolf transformations. Yeah. But it was done pretty well.

Like, I wasn't, I wasn't mad at it when it happened. I mean, the movie's cheesy to start with. Right. I was a crazy, no. I thought they were going to, I thought they were vampires.

Oh, me too. That one totally caught me off guard. Yeah, I was, I thought they were all going to be vampir. I didn't too. And then I was like, why are they taking off the clothes? Oh, well. You know, I wasn't getting mad.

Now that I'm thinking of it, there was a little bit of CGI in that scene because the Anna Pac-win, her face changes. Yeah. And I would say this is probably the only time I ever found her attractive. You didn't watch the blood? No. No. She got naked a lot, man. Yeah, it's something about her that is not sexy to me.

It's the team. I don't know, man. I'll tell you this. I'll give you an insight into the way my mind works. I always thought she was like, I always thought she was pretty cute. But then when I read an article that she was bisexual, after that I thought she was gorgeous. And I was like, let me see everything she's in.

I thought she was cute when she was rogue. and X-Men. Yeah. Kind of miscast, I think. Then I didn't realize, I just picture her as that little girl. And then once True Blood came around and her clothes that were falling off. She's grown up. She could still play that little innocent girl because she did.

Because the ad of all of them, she was the only one that didn't get naked. Everyone else tore all their clothes. as well as their skin off. Well, the whole beginning of that was she was the virgin and, you know, they were just going to this party. Like, I'm telling you, that twist took me completely by surprise. Yeah, good twist, for sure.

It was cool. I mean, as far as little character, Sam, when they first pull his mask off, they didn't show his full head until we realize he's a little pumpkin head guy, but his face kind of looked like Eddie from Iron Maiden. Oh, it did. His eyes at his mouth.

I was kind of going, I was like, whoa! And then he pulled. back and you see he's a pocket I was like I'm a cool Tiny Eddie The guy in the beginning The one that was

The poisoning the candy Yeah Have you guys seen that movie Happiness Happiness? With a Y right Happiness or something like that It sounds familiar

But it was I want to say 90s He was a character In that film And I can Every movie I see it him in. Yeah. I can't get away from that character because in

happiness there's no happiness in that movie. It's fucking just... Yeah, super dark and depressed. But his character, he was basically a pedophile and he drugged and raped

one of his son's friends. We're going in the right direction. And it's called happiness. Wow. Yeah. Oh, this it has the Philip

Hoffman in it yeah I like her man or no not him but what's her name um the boil chick

Laura Laura Flynn Boyle she's in it okay okay she's a little skinny for my taste

but I don't know what it is something about I just think she's sexy but I mean yeah if you guys

find that movie check it out it's it's far from happiness but it's it's worth of watching. But yeah, that's all I see it, man. Or he's the

professor in Sam Ramey, Spider-Man. He's basically the lizard. But that was ruthless, man. Just poisoning kids. But I love that effect. When the kids started a little bad Santa kid started getting sick, throwing up all the chocolate milk. That's when my wife came in and goes, ooh, what the fuck are you watching? I thought that was awesome.

I assume he was spitting out blood too, because when he drug him in the house, he had blood all over his shirt. It just looked like John of the milk when he was sitting on the porch. That was cool. I mean, like I said earlier, I love how each little there was something in each little story that made you see something from another story. Because when that guy's in the backyard, they're burying him. You see his neighbor peeking through the hole,

or when he goes to the window and he's screaming help and then you see Sam tackling. We don't get that story into the very end. I mean, I thought that one was cool. But the one that really bothered me was the bus driver. Just that scene when they said that he, the parents basically just here were giving you all these kids. And I felt a little sad when that one boy that was counting

and basically just reading off house numbers. And then he started going wrong way. wrong way and then everyone who realized they were fucking chained to their seat and I was like oh fuck man I mean that that was ruthless man and then fucking just killing all that

I know that one boy was scared because he got free and accidentally drove the bus over the cliff but see and I was thinking that the little pumpkin guy god damn what was his name? Sam Sam okay I was thinking that Sam was on that bus somewhere

maybe he was I'll bet I'll bet if you go back and rewatch it. He is in there somewhere. I thought he was on the bus, but in a different costume. Because there was one that had like weird head sitting on top of it, and it looked like it was kind of a, I don't know, I could be completely wrong, but I felt like he fit right in with that group. I don't know.

He never seemed too far. Yeah, he never seemed too far behind anything. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's like he was involved with every story. Like, to a certain extent, every intertwining story. story in here. He was like part of it. He was somewhere in there, I guarantee you. Yeah, because I love that scene at the end where all the stories like intertwine.

And you know, from the chicks and the, the werewolf chicks in the car to the little girl dressed like a witch crossing the street to the lady who got it in her front yard was right across the street from the guy, the bus driver guy, you know, all that stuff. It shouldn't have been taking down Halloween decorations on Halloween night. What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, who has time to do that? I know. Just go to bed.

Right. Do in the morning. Jesus. All right, you guys ready for scores? Yeah. Uh, Naz? Do, well. You get the other one of nine, so we got a lot to live up to here.

I do love this movie. I can't really think of anything wrong with it. I mean, I was, I was, everybody did their part. The stories were cool. I love how it was all over the place. It is going to be in my Halloween rotation, and I'll probably watch it when it's not even during the Halloween season. I would go ahead.

I really enjoyed this. I really enjoyed this. All right. I like this whole time classic. I like these anthology movies. I love Creepshow. I love Creepshow, too. The third one suck dick.

But, I mean, I love these ones. I didn't know there was a third one. He's a third. It has nothing to do with Stephen King, but yeah, it's on YouTube. You can find it. I think I'll pass. I like these horror anthologies, man. You even got that movie Nightmares that was in the 80s.

And what was that other one? I think it's kind of new. Tales of Halloween. Tales of Halloween. Even if you go back to the TV show, it was awesome. Yeah, I mean, I love these ones when they just give you a quick little minutes of these cool stories. and I loved all of them.

I mean, there was another one. I can't remember. No one was kind of stupid. I don't know. It was kind of a newer one. It wasn't a really big anthology film, but all these movies blend together.

But yeah, I mean, I really love this film. I mean, there was not really anything bad to say about it. I mean, it was a cool Halloween story and a good Halloween film.

I mean, it gave you death. It gave you blood and gory. gave you nudity and fucking as an 80s kid that's what we went to see horror movies for mainly for the nudity and it gave us some of that. I mean

that's what I love, man. I love these type of films. Yeah, I'm going to give it a 10. Wow, nice. It was awesome. Oh, that was me next because I'd butt in. I'm going to go I'm going to give it a 7 man. I think it was I thought you'd go higher, man.

Well, listen, I mean as a legitimate movie, it's a little dumb. It's super cheesy. But as like a Halloween having fun movie, dude, just turn off your brain and watch this thing. It's really enjoyable. There's not a dull moment. I mean, the effects are pretty good. The acting is on point. There's really not a whole lot to say about it, except that it's a cheesy story, you know? It's definitely not a realistic movie. but I had a really good time with it

I think if you haven't seen it definitely watch it this is perfect for an annual Halloween kind of thing because this is a great Halloween fun time movie yeah all right well I mean actually who's next Brian I don't remember I can go I'm gonna give this a solid nine this is another movie that is in my Halloween rotation

and I honestly hope the director does not get too big to do a sequel to this. You said in the news like a year ago he was going to do a sequel. Yeah, but, you know, when you're doing Godzilla sequels, I guess that kind of, you know, money. That means they may go along with the sequel, but with the different director, which might not work so well. Oh, I would not like that because I really like Crampus too. So I think he kind of, I thought, I kind of thought he was going to start doing like a,

bunch of different, like, holiday-themed horror movies. But, like I said, I guess, you know, he's moved on to bigger things. Yeah. Maybe, uh, maybe they can do a trick-or-treat, too, with, like, four different directors. That wouldn't be the end of the world. Yeah, with, you know. Probably, like, him, like, maybe, like, executive producing, overseeing it. Yeah.

The main director over all of them to put it together. That would be cool. That sounds cool. Yep. I like that idea. Make it so. Make it happen, Brian. I will.

You've been sitting up all these interviews for us, Brian. I'm sure you can make that happen. Well, let me call my people. We're starting a petition. If they did another one, I mean, could you put the little Sam character in it again? Yeah, I would think you'd have to be. We still got Michael Myers and Jason rolling around, right? Yeah, he's the character from this movie.

Everything else is just kind of cool little stories, but he is the character. I think if they did, I don't know if they would give him kill scenes like he did in this because that last story was that's where he was shining because they're basically just teasing us throughout the film until the end and we show that he can fucking dismember and put himself back together

and kick ass. I don't know. I mean, who knows, whoever writes this and does it. And then he just stops when he gets the candy. Yeah, I think he, think they would because he's a part of pop culture now because i see people with wearing him on on t-shirts and shit really yeah a lot of people have tattoos i've seen like i saw every year we've been to frightmare nez philip you guys saw him didn't you at fright me oh yeah i guess so well i'd

never seen this movie before well that's why i thought it was that's why i thought it was older than 2007 it just feels like it's been part of pop culture for longer than that you know i think The part that made me cringe the most was the end scene when Sam was hiding under the bed. And that guy came in into the room. And he kind of pulled a gauge from Pet Cemetery when he sliced. Checking. Oh, yeah. That guy.

Lucky Gage. Oh, fuck. I mean, that scene in Pet Cemetery is still fucking. I don't like that scene at all. I felt bad for Herman Munster. But yeah, man. fucking this movie rocks man I love it alright so we

two movies we highly recommend both of them but maybe this one a little bit more overall yeah yeah what was your score uh oh I didn't give my score I give it a solid eight oh okay nice solid eight sorry I thought I'd already said it so uh for me six and a half and eight

uh for Nez nine and ten um would you guys give the give the first one again I gave it Yeah, I think I gave it a 6.75. 7.5. Great fucking week guys.

Brian, as always, dude, you come through like a champ on picking the movies. They were fun. Well done. Well done. Hey, Nez, what's new at Skater Naz, man? We find, well, we've been kind of hit a little, a little pothole in the road. up in the road has

you ran over Sam, dude he's got jury duty and I kind of threw a ranch and he's that for a little bit yeah this case has been going long I don't know what it is but shit it's been almost a month

and he's OJ doing jury he's on the OJ jury I have no idea what it is I assume it's the pipe bomber that's a little too soon huh I assume he can't tell me

what it is But we did crank out a Halloween episode, our ESP at the movies. We did that. We busted out a Up to the Challenge where we talked about West Cravens, Deadly Blessed and Richard Donners, the Omen, the original one, 76. Oh, okay. As far as McNaz, I have one sitting in the docket. I just need to put it out.

I've just been lazy. I understand. I am going to Albuquerque next weekend for, the indigenous comic con and I'm gonna have definitely have a few shows my daily wrapups for that for McNez down there

and other than that man just same old stuff oh big guys we got a new episode we recorded it I just need to put it together and put it out that's our big guys Halloween Jesse and I kind of well our topic was supposed to be

about Halloween candy but if you guys listen to us and know Jess and I we fucking veer off into other conversations so it's Halloween. It's our Halloween episode, sort of. And yeah, so that's coming. And as far as that, man, nothing else. But fucking right on, dude, man, I love coming on here with you guys. You guys know that. And I can't wait for fucking Texas frighten, man, man, because there's fucking, the new guest they keep announcing are just fucking making me more excited. I know we got months away

before we get there. Oh, I'm standing in Bruce Campbell's line, baby. Hale to the king. All right, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You know you can reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. Follow us everywhere, rate us and review us. Next week, we're going to have a double dose of Susperia with the original film as well as the new remake. And we're going to have a couple of guests, the double-edged double-bill guys,

Adam and Thomas are going to be joining us. So until the horror returns again, Naz. Before it returns, go see Halloween and go see bad times with the El Real. Yes. Awesome. Oh, you liked Halloween, yeah? Yeah, hella good.

So good. That's all. I'm sorry. And yeah, before anything else happens, good night.