The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #127: Suspiria (1977) & Suspiria (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Our friends Thomas Mariani and Adam Thomas join us to talk Suspiria, the original and the remake. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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All right, welcome back one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always are my co-host. Brian and Philip. And tonight we have two special guests from Double Edge Double Bill. It's the one-two punch of Thomas Mariani and Adam Thomas. How's it going, guys? You dare disturb the double-edged double-billers?

We're doing good. All right. Your name shall be legendary in hell. That's going to fit right in with this show. All right, guys, for anyone who doesn't know, what the fuck is double-edged double bill, and where are you guys? Well, double-edged double bill is the podcast Adam and I are on, in which every week each of us comes to the table with two movies based on the basic topic that we'd be doing for that week. And we each assign our films a number between one and ten. And the other picks a number between one and ten, and that ends up choosing our good and our bad movie.

So let's demonstrate, Adam. Pick a number between one and ten. Three. All right. At number three, I had the horror remake of The Crazies, which we ended up doing for our recent episode on horror remakes as our good feature. And now, Adam, I picked number seven. I had Drop Dead Fred. On the show, we rehearsed this. We did this episode.

For the episode, the haunting. which was our bad feature. But the craziest is my pick, you prick, so I should have let it off. Look, this is all going to hell. Point is we do a good and a bad movie. And it's basically under that random guise of just like the other one doesn't know what the other is going to be picking. So it's fun. We're on iTunes and Podbean as well as various other, most places where podcasts are available.

Do you have a YouTube channel? Yes, we do also have a YouTube channel where we post the episodes. And we've had Lance Langford here on the show. We had him on for our zombies episode at the beginning of October. Yeah, and I had a lot of fun with that show, guys. That was the best of times and definitely the worst of times. Yeah, no, you could easily classify that as that, absolutely. That could be the slogan of our show.

We could just spear directly. That's not artsy-fartsy-up at the show at all. All right, well, Thomas, I know you know our basic format because you have been on our show before, but Adam, you're a first timer for the horror returns, right? Yes, yes, I am, unless I completely forgot. You did as well. All right. I've listened to the show, though.

I have listened. Ah, nice. All right. Cool. Well, then in that case, as you know, we like to always start with our guests. and first topic is cool of the week. So, Adam, what is the coolest thing? Besides the films, of course, were covered tonight that you've seen this week.

I got to set down with the wife and kid and delve into a little bit more edgy family horror movies. Like we watched Beetlejuice, Ghostbusters, Monster Squad again, you know, things like that. And sat there with my kid, she's real young, but she sat there and watched them. She loved Ghostbusters because of the music. Sure. Yeah. wouldn't. How young is real young? Three. Okay, cool.

Yeah, my little one likes them too. Yeah, that was fun. That was a new thing this year. Cool. Thomas, what about you, man? Well, I've also been delving into horse of obviously given we are just past the Halloween roll.

I have our Halloween hangovers. We're still kind of lurking around with. We'll probably have those until Thanksgiving or further. But I've been going especially through RIP recently film struck is ending and I subscribe to that and it's a great service

it's a shame it's ending but I've been watching a lot classic horror like I watched Cat People the 1943 film for the first time that's a great movie Oh yeah David Bowie did the theme song Right for the 43 movie

Yes exactly Wait a minute What He's a time traveler guys He's a time lord Clearly Gloria Um

Also watch Dead Ringers for the first time. I've never seen that. And that's a great fucking movie. That's a great fucking movie. Good, great movie. Eyes and That a Face as well. First time I never seen that, the classic. But I'd also been watching stuff on Shudder,

including probably the biggest ones for me, my favorite discoveries I hadn't seen before on Shudder for Halloween, were one Ghost Watch, which is an infamous TV special from England that came out in, like, 1992. That's so good, dude. It's such a, because, and the premise was, like, it aired on TV, and they presented just like, oh, this is a ghost hunting show that we're going to, like, go into this family's house and we're going to try and film paranormal events in 1992. And it was hosted by, like, actual people who were on the BBC. It's like, basically imagine if, like, in the 90s, Tom Broca hosted a special that was about hunting ghosts.

Sure. Only they actually, like, include, you know, bits of the ghosts that pop up here and there. It was faked, but they assumed it, like, they presented it as real. And it literally caused massive controversy at the BBC at the time. Yeah, think like War of the Worlds, but with ghosts. Exactly, yes. And on television, in 1992. So don't think War of the Worlds.

It's a lot different. But the outrage was very similar. And that is great if you have the time to watch that. But also, I watched a bit more Argento, given our topic of the week. and I hadn't seen much Argento besides Asperia, but I watched Inferno for the first time, and that's a weird movie. It's not nearly as good as

the Susperia, but it's got plenty of fun moments in there. But more importantly, I watched Phenomena for the first time, and that movie's fucking great. It's... The Jennifer Connolly one? Jennifer Conno? Yes. Jennifer Conno, which is also known as,

I believe, creepers, because there's like an 80-minute version, but I watched the full cut that has Jennifer Connolly talking to bugs, Donald Pleasance as a bug doctor, and a revenge subplot involving a monkey. It's amazing. I don't know that I've ever seen.

Oh, wow. I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it either. Donald Pleasance is in it, huh? Yes, and he has a helper monkey, and that monkey becomes key. Fuck monkey shines. This is the best use of a monkey in a whole movie right here, guys.

I only even want to go too far into it, but literally the last, I would say, 20 to 15 minutes are some of the most bizarre brazen filmmaking I've ever seen. It's fucking nuts. You know what? I also want to throw in, I watched last, I think it was last night, yeah,

I watched a vampire circus. The old Hammer movie. Right. That movie's fucking crazy, too. That movie's out of control. Everybody, you know, for taking place, when it does, they all look like their straight 70s porn stars. It's amazing.

70s porn star Oh man Brian have you seen Phenomena? No, I've heard of it though What did you see this week, man? Nothing.

Nothing? No, even after you... I don't believe you. I tried to watch that new Netflix movie Was it Apostle? And I fell asleep. I fell asleep twice.

Uh-oh. Not a good sign. No. Not a ringing adornment, huh? No. So, I mean, I'll try to finish it later, but no, that was going to be the main thing I was going to talk about. I did, you know, October wrapped up.

I did do the 31 days of Halloween. But it was mostly like rewatches, went through the Friday to 13th series, and also went through the Halloween series. So, yeah, nothing new to talk about. That's a lot. I watched. So we had a little family horror night after we came back from trick-or-treating also. But my son decided he wanted a Freddie pumpkin. So I'll post some pictures of that later.

But he's never seen a nightmare on Elm Street. And so instead of going with the original, because I know that one was pretty creepy, we went Dream Warriors. Oh, good call. Good call. and maybe not the smartest maneuver because they were both kind of scared out of their mind a seven-year-old and a five-year-old watching this movie. Get ready for prime time, bitch!

Yeah. He looked over it to me and repeated the line as soon as he did that. I figured it. I was like, oh, yeah, let's not say that, okay? But all at all, I think the seven-year-old at least enjoyed it more than I expected him to. They both crashed out halfway through them. movie. Or did they?

Oh, that's true. And that's about all I got this week. Halloween was fun. Yeah. Jerk-orating in the rain, yeah. Yeah, I had a... Ah, man, I had a great cool of the week, guys. So I've got Brian, every year you have us, when we do our top and bottom

five, you have us do our favorite TV show of the year? Mm-hmm. Man, dude, I've got a strong contender against Handmaid's Tale and Preacher right now, dude. and the irony is and Brian you're going to laugh your ass off at me

I had nothing but bad shit to say about this upcoming show like what the fuck? Why are they making a movie out of that or why are they making a TV show out of that? The last movie version of it called The Haunting sucked why are they doing this shit? Fucking Haunting of Hillhouse

guys I am fucking loving it. I'm eight episodes in Thomas I know you've checked it out right? Yeah I haven't gotten too much farther in it than I'm about, I believe, four episodes in. I'm liking it, but I feel, as of right now, Mike Flanagan's sort of low, slow deliberate pace kind of shows off a bit more in TV form. But it's still, it's interesting. I think the description I heard about that's pretty accurate is like, it's like, this is us, but with a haunted house in it, it's pretty apt.

Okay. You know, people watching it, for sure. Yeah. I don't know, man. To me, it feels like a Stephen King novel. played out. It's like it's almost the exact same pace and it's just, to me it feels like

an homage to a Stephen King novel. There's a lot of detail. The first half of it kind of like gives you a very intimate look into each of the main characters because each character kind of gets their own episode and then it totally

fucking changes on the episode 6 through 10 and you kind of, just like a Stephen King book, you start working. About half a Halfway through all of his novels, you really kind of start working your way toward, you sort of see where the end game's going to be. So, yeah, I couldn't recommend it higher. This may, depending on how it ends, this may be my favorite TV show of the year. Wow.

Haunting of Hill House. I stand correct, Brian. Nice. I also have to throw in since you started talking about TV shows, and we haven't talked about it at all, really, on the show yet. The Walking Dead. I'm loving it. Yeah? Yeah.

Fuck all you haters. Dude, like, is everybody... Well, I guess they could tell when I'm not wanted. I was I said, see, it only. It sounds like it almost looks like Rick is going to, I mean, unless they're pulling a glen on us, it looks like Rick is going to die in the middle of the season. So, that ought to be interesting. Die or disappear?

No, no. I don't know. I remember those things where the walking did would hand me chocolates and then just do something terrible to me right afterward. I don't believe it. I was in the worst relationship with that show, guys. Yeah. I can't go. Prompts you afloat, but instead of Rupier, it's piss.

That sounds like a Tom Waits song. Is Brian hanging in? You hanging in there, Brian? I haven't seen it since the first episode. Oh, man. I'm loving it. I got to watch Tomorrow Live, because there's going to be way too much,

too much on Facebook and whatnot. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. If I may, I will say in terms of TV, I forgot to mention this, but Castlevania Season 2 is pretty dope. I haven't finished it. I've heard great things, man. I haven't, too, yeah.

The first season was really awesome, and so far season 2 is pretty dope too. Yeah, and like the first season's, what, six, 22-minute episodes, and the second season's 8? No, it's four for the first season. It's basically like a movie. You can watch this, like, a first-hour movie. Oh, that's not bad at all.

I'm going to check it out. I've heard way too many things. That's what kills me with a lot of TV shows. I'm like, man, I'm not in for that kind of commitment. I just want to throw out there. I watch Moana on a daily basis, so what's up now? Yeah, my kid wants to watch Moana every day. So, I mean, what's up with Moana, guys?

That song pops up on my Pandora all the time. That song really jacks your shit up, too. The your welcome song or the other one? No, you're welcome to, but I am Moana. I am Moana. That's my rock version. All right. American Idol, here I come.

We got our own Freddie Mercury in-house here. I'll tell you. Fucking God. We'll get to that. All right. So, Brian, you ready to bring us some horror headlines, man? Are you guys looking forward to a sequel to Don't Breathe? Nope.

I'll watch it. I don't think it's necessary. Right. Right. That's where I'm at, too. I thought the first one was good enough for a self-contained little story. Yeah. I think they knew that, too, and they cut the little stinger ending that they originally had filmed out of it. So they knew, like, but hey, man, money talks. Yeah, dude, anytime a movie makes money now, they have to do a sequel.

And... Like a quiet place. How the fuck are we getting a sequel to a quiet place? Yeah, stop. Great question. A loud place, maybe? I don't know. Actually, we may have one of the trailers we're watching,

but it's a blind place or something, but we'll get into that later. Yeah. Let's see here. We are getting another leprechaun movie. Lepircon returns. I have not seen that many likes on our Facebook page for something in a long time. What's up with this?

I'm the leprican. This movie is... Fucking lepercon movies. I haven't heard. I guess, the trailer drop today. I did not watch the trailer, but it's going to be on VOD and DVD December 11th.

A little teaser trailer for that came out a little while ago, actually. It just showed the new actor. Well, right, yeah, because the thing is they're going for more in the... Because for those who might not be caught up on the lepercon Uvra, um,

Leprecon started in 1990... Lepercon started like 93 with Warwick Davis, of course, you know, is Willow, and also, he's in a bunch of the Harry Potter movies, one of the more famous small person actors around. And he was, they made like, what, he went to space, he went to Vegas, he went to the hood twice.

Very true. And then WWE did like a really lame monster movie that they just slapped a lepracon onto a couple years ago, and that was the last time heard it from them. And now it's weird, they're going back to that style of the Warwick Davis movies, but it's not Warwick Davis. It's a different actor.

Yeah, this is supposed to be a direct scene. sequel to the first one. They're Halloweening it. They are. They are. 40 years later. But at least they have a different subtitle to differentiate the two. And instead of just like, what about the 93 Lepercon or the 2018 Lepardcon?

I'm not sure which one you're talking about. But I don't know. I just, the only reason I ever watched any of those movies was this is Warren Davis is fun. So I don't really have much interest if it's not Warwick Davis. Right. I agree. There you go. And our last little bit of news, we're going to talk about It Chapter 2 rap filming today.

Nice. So we'll probably be getting a trailer here really soon. That's cool. I think, guys, am I safe and assuming we're all a little more excited about that than Leprecound returns? I mean, yeah. Maybe. Yes. I will say I'm going to miss seeing more pictures of Bill Hater hanging out with Pennywise on the set.

Oh, yeah, I saw that. Every time I saw that. Just Bill hit your fucking around with Bill Scars Garden full makeup was great. How about that shit? That three of them, three of those kids came out and said who they'd want to play them, and three of them got it. No shit. Yeah, Bill said he wanted James McAvoy.

Well, he got James McAvoy. Yeah, he's Bill growing up. Oh, wow. Beverly said she wanted Jessica Chastain. They got Jessica Chastain. That was great. Yeah, Richie said he wanted Bill Hader. they got Bill Hader. I'll be damn.

And that's perfect casting. It really is. I'm so surprised that one kid didn't say the old Spice guy. Because they got the Old Spice guy. Yeah. Not Terry Cruz. That's what he should have said. I want Terry Cruz to play me. The other old Spice guy, right, Thomas?

Right, yeah, the older. Look at your man. Now back to me, that one. Skinny one. So then again, I would agree, like, How awesome would be to see Terry Cruz just beat the shit at a pennywise? I'd be super. Yeah, it'd be amazing. You better take your clown ass back to the sewer.

I'll pay money for that. And on that note, that is all the news. All right, cool. So I guess that means it's time, boys. Y'all getting your pickup trucks or whatever, whatever you happen to drive, maybe a moped, maybe a fucking Prius. Who knows? Y'all, every one of y'alls is welcome.

So come on with us, boys. We're going down to the trailer park. Bloodbags, starring McKenna Giler, and this is directed by Emiliano Ranzani. What did you guys think of Bloodbags? I thought it was a cool little trailer. I'm sort of getting the idea that they're showing you the best parts of the movie in the trailer.

you know, with like real flashy cuts and sharp music. It looks like it's going to veer a little bit into like in-bred hillbilly torture porn. And who doesn't love that? Well, you know, the thing is that is a genre I actually do kind of like when it's done well. But I'm not getting that vibe from this one. This doesn't look like quite a wrong turn two as an example. Right. I actually like Ride Third 2.

No, I agree with that. I'm being 100% serious. I like Wrong Turn 2 quite a bit. You protectious prick. No, yeah, Rock 2. Yeah, Rock Derr 2 is awesome. And, you know, The Hills Have Eyes Remakes. Well, remake, the sequel to that is fucking awful.

But I don't know, man. I got a feeling they gave you everything in the trailer that it's going to just be a lot of bullshit. I do echo a lot of that, but I will also say it looks surprisingly very well shot. When I saw that this was our trailer, I'm like, oh, I don't know how this is going to look. And the trailer, it is a very well-shot little movie.

I like a lot of the cameras stuff and the lighting. I thought that was, I was very impressed by that much. I agree with that. We probably have seen the whole thing. Right. I didn't see this one, guys. I'm out. Sorry.

Didn't do my homework. It's a minute and a half, Lance. What the fuck? That was Phil. I just don't have my... I don't know enough. It's like yet another young teenage girls go to fucking Europe and get

you know fucking sodomized or whatever. Next. Where's the guy from digging? That's the whole, but you're watching. Blood bags, I believe, is getting a November release, so we'll just move on to our second and final trailer,

which is Birdbox. And this has a pretty good cast who had uh... Sandra Bullock Sarah Paulson B.D. Wong, John Malkovich. And this is directed by

Suzanne Byer, if I'm saying her name right. Man, what is, what is Sarah Paulson not in these days, you know? She's a busy, busy lady.

You know, good, though. I've always liked her. So, I mean, good for her. Yeah. But this just looks like a sightless place.

Instead of a quiet place. Yeah. So is this a, like, a movie coming to Netflix, or is this going to be, like, a theatrical release, or what? It's a Netflix movie. Okay. They got the big guns out. Yeah. They got money to burn.

Well, yeah. I mean, it's interesting. Yeah, you mentioned that whole cast. And also, it's written by, we should mention to Eric Heiser, who was recently Academy Award nominated for Arrival, that script. No shit? Yes. I mean, it looks to be something. in a similar vein. I mean, you've got a strong

sort of female lead part for a very big star in the case of like a Sandra Bullock. And it seems to be, you know, this woman thrown to impossible odds and all that that's going on. I'm curious about it for sure. I just hope much like, you know,

a rival, it doesn't have a great first two thirds and then I think a weaker third act that kind of reveals a twist that wasn't the hugest fan of. Yeah, I agree. But I'll give it this much. The fact that they've got Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross doing the score makes me very curious because those do

Crazy I know Those you don't obviously Trent Resner of 9 inch nails But also him and Atticus Ross did like the social network Score and the girl of the dragon Tattoo, those things And we'll Yes and we'll be talking about another

Rock musician turned scorer In a bit Yeah Oh yeah Yeah we will You know my whole thing is I'm just worried that it's going to be Turned into a classic apocalyptic

apocalyptic virus movie I'm okay with that I'm okay with that. I am too but there's so many of them man which is great

especially even John Malkovich in there I just really want to see where somebody coughs and I'm just like how dare you cough on me I know what to throw back actually to what cool things

have been watching and it reminds me this I watch cargo this week. Oh, nice. Did you like it? Yeah, I did like it, man. I did.

Martin Freeman fucking acted his balls off in that movie. Definitely impressed. You don't hear a lot about that one. All right. Birdbox coming to Netflix, December 21st. All right.

Oh, that's a cheery time to release a horror movie. Yeah, there you go. Gather around with the family and round with the fire. It's going to be great. Grab your fruit takes. Ready to kill people? Let's check out some horror. Fuck, Jesus.

Yeah, grab your fruit cakes. You know, on the mistletoe, and watch a movie about a pregnant woman who's blind because she'll see her biggest fears. Great. Fuck. All right, that being said, if I'm not mistaken, we get a little bit of feedback, right, Phil?

Did our buddy Mark was hook us up this week? Oh, yeah, we got to finish out the 31 days of Haurathon. So he's got number 18. Yeah, because remember we missed 18 last time. Oh, we missed 18. Okay, so it's a repost. He said, I figured watching the original Halloween for the first time would be an educating experience.

Wow. And I was certainly correct in that assumption. From the first to the final frame, I can see why this is not only one of the most influential films of all time, but beloved by millions for decades. As a horror viewer, you tend to surmise how a classic such as this, was received back in the day, and how many ideas, elements, and trophies were conceptualized tropes, sorry, were conceptualized throughout the years over hundreds of other films.

Not strictly in horror either. And amongst that recognition and thought process, the overall brilliance and resonance begins to implicitly take shape, pun intended. Okay, I get it. And even beyond that, the story itself is still engaging. Holding up rather strongly thanks to John Carpenter's infectious score and the trio performances of the late great Donald Pleasance, legendary

scream queen, Jamie Lee Curtis and Nick Castle as the icon Michael Myers. Despite how many others feel about the sequels and iterations that came later, there's little doubt that this film will remain an undeniable

institution that help mold the genre of horror and cinema's past present and future alike. Nine out of ten. Nine out of ten. Thomas, Adam, you guys fans of the original Halloween? Well, I mean, yeah,

of course. You know, it shaped what we know is the slasher movie for what it is. I mean, granted, did it do it first? No, but it made it what it is. I mean, yeah, it's fantastic. I mean, if anything

for Donald Pleasants alone and the score, I mean, and just what it accomplished alone in being as low budget and independent it was and how much money it made and I mean, yeah Halloween is amazing. Yeah, but I think the key thing everyone's forgetting

is the one lynchpin thing that made that movie as big as it was, was clearly the bit where Donald Pleasant says, Hey, Lani, get your ass away from there. That was the lynchpin that made that entire franchise such a big thing. If it wasn't that, what else was it?

Um, we got, uh, okay, now we're skipping back to the present. 31 days of horathon number 23. Uh, after an eternity of waiting, Castlevania returned to Netflix. Ah, there you go, guys. For the much anticipated second season, uh, and it was well worth the wait. Graphic, unflinching and totally awesome. The sophomore season jumped right where the excruciatingly short first season left off. Uh, and it didn't let up until the finale.

There was plenty for the casual and hardcore fan. of the popular gaming series to appreciate as there were literal nods and references left and right from series past. The animation was extremely detailed and gorgeous, though a little rough in some places, but that's a small criticism.

The voice acting was especially on point, as well from the likes of Richard Armitage, Theo James, James Callis, and the great Peter Storm Air. Oh shit. That dude used to pop up in everything. and the story itself was dark, funny, tragic, and heavily mature.

The only major negative from this go-round is that I wanted more, because sadly, eight episodes was not enough. Yet, at the end of the night, I had a ball with this season. It brought me back to those days of playing Symphony of the Night on my OG PlayStation and even Dracula's curse on my Nintendo. It's exactly the kind of adaptation that deserves the name Castlevania. I'm praying for season three like you wouldn't believe

rating 9.5 out of 10 he rated that higher than Halloween shit well that caused this whole dissertation in the suspect doesn't it I mean there is also that scene where the vampires do say hey Lonnie get your ass away from there so they learn from

the best yeah I have that in there alright so number 24 and 25 This month of horror has provided me with a fair opportunity to finish out a few franchises I've neglected. So I decided to catch up on the last two entries of the Saw series with a double feature of Saw the final chapter and Jigsaw. Ah, yeah. While most consider this an exercise in torture porn, I have always had a soft respect, a soft respect for these films and their display of unfit.

unflinching and sadistic horror. From the near masterpiece that is the first saw all the way to these installments from the theme of rusty traps, innovative designs, and bad people receiving grisly deaths has stayed intact, and I relished returning to the carnage.

The only difference between these films, though, is Jigsaw had a slicker and polished production, while the final chapter kept its gritty and dirty look that has served the series so well over the years. beyond that the kills were still brutal and that's what I wanted

not much else to say except oh what a lovely return to the vicious little house that James Wan built rating final chapter is 7 out of 10 Jigsaw is 7.5 out of 10 I'm tired than I would give it yeah

yeah Thomas and I did a entire retrospective on all the saw movies besides Jigsaw Yeah, and another show we used to be part of him more so than I. The final chapter to me is easily, probably the worst of the series. To the point to where I never went and saw a Jake Saw. And I know it's on Prime, Hulu, all of them, and I still haven't watched it.

It's not awful. I mean, look, I don't know. Saw SVU was pretty entertaining. Because it looks like a fucking CBS show. Like, I was waiting for iced tea to just come like, are you saying that this guy traps people and puts them inside of little places and makes moral complications?

Crazy. Sold. I'd watch that. I would totally watch that. If it's iced tea, yes. Absolutely. Someone put something into my drink. And do you want to return it to him?

Like, I don't. I just can't. I can't do it, man. Carrie L's in part seven was just, oh God, oh God. You'll continue. I need a moment.

We lost him. What are you talking about? He had a perfect American accent, Adam. Oh, God. Okay. Yeah, I got to, you know what? I need a minute. I'm for Clempt.

Talk amongst yourselves. We'll continue. 31 days of horridon, number 26. We're almost there, guys. What I value. the most about the ritual was how it captured such an eerie and tension-fueled trip

against the backdrop of a vast unending wilderness so efficiently. Kudos to the cinematographer Andrew Shokened on his end because I doubt the film would have been so impactful without such a setting. Sorry about that.

Plus the story offers up some strong performances from the cast and an unexpected final act that threw me for a loop. While not bloody or sadistic, this is an effective spook fest that goes a little further from its origins than I thought it would. Another gem from Netflix, and

a lesson that hiking will always suck. Really, really suck. Rating 8.5 out of 10. Yeah. Decent movie. I liked it. I don't really remember what it was about or anything about it at all, but I remember watching it, and I enjoyed it. Yeah, this is one of the ones that's

been in my cue that I really keep meaning to watch and just haven't met. But everything I've heard about it's, you know, been pretty good. So positive. Yeah, I really enjoyed it as myself. I thought it was one of the better examples of sort of Netflix's recent horror stuff. Especially, I give a lot of credit to Rafe Spall, who is the son of Timothy's Faw. Is really good in that movie.

I think it's a pretty good showcase for him as well as some other solid supporting stuff. And the monsters that do show up are pretty damn cool when they do show up. Wait a minute. Rafe Spall from like Hot Fuzz and Sean of the Dead. Yes, he's... Is the son of Timothy Spall? Yes, he is. Yeah, you could really tell when he was...

You could tell when he was bigger, like earlier, like in Sean of the Dead, you could really tell the resemblance. He's gotten a lot of skin here now. Oh, man. Oh, and he was also in Prometheus, so... Oh, yeah, he was the guy who kept smoking weed in his fucking helmet, yeah. Yeah, and... Best character of the movie.

When that giant, like, white vagina snake comes out of the water, he's... Yep. He's like, no, dude. I want to pet it. All right, 31 Days of Horthon, number 27. I returned to the franchise that Arnie and Shane Black created with The Predator, another soft sequel reboot that's penned and directed by Black himself, making it quite a return in its own right.

But it was serviceable, was it a serviceable return or an unnecessary one? Truth is, I probably would have hated this if it weren't for what Ridley Scott did to the Alien and Prometheus prequel. as those are mixed in quality as what you get. However, Black manages to use this series fun and wacky, make this series fun and wacky again, without sacrificing any of its violent roots in the process. And I found that supremely refreshing

over being so disappointed with whatever the hell Scott was trying to accomplish. Ouch! Granted, this film isn't without its flaws, but I felt the entire thing was a bit rushed throughout, and the third act, while great, could have been so much better. The cast was charismatic and the dialogue was funny

which balanced out the carnage nicely. This one didn't take itself too seriously and Shane made it work regardless so this predator still rules all. Needless to say, bring on the sequel, rating 7.5 out of 10. You probably ain't getting mad. My ratings.

Dude, you're losing credit with me real quick, Murchase. I mean, I'll say, I didn't, I didn't hate the predator. I was disappointed in it, though. I think it had a fun first two-thirds And then you could tell that they Chop the shit out of that third act

And reshot a bunch of stuff Like that was so disappointing was how it became like Such a Frankenstein monster And also The less said about Jacob Trembly And the whole like Oh the next evolution of man is autism stuff The better

Because what That's a subplot That's like That's a main crux of the movie As things go along And it's not the best It's not great Also there's a random scene

where Olivia Munn has a telescope in like a tractor trailer and you're like how the fuck did you get that? I mean look at it. Of course she does. I don't think that one's really meant to look into about how they did things. Now I will say though, worth it for Sterling K. Brown. Sterling K. Brown is so fucking fun in that movie.

He's literally chewing up this. That dude is fantastic. He's going to be a big, big star. Uh, all right. Uh, so we got number 28. Oh, mark this under should have watched sooner, dumbass. Uh, because train to Busan. Oh, yes! Exactly as exciting and terrifying as I thought it would be. Fast pace, pulse pounding, and hardcore. Uh, this fight for humanity on a speeding train didn't pull any punches and even managed to use a few ideas that I've never seen in another zombie film. Um, there were subtle commentary on social class. and the demoralizing nature of survival, which added an extra layer to the edge of the proceedings. While the cast is decent, this is clearly, this is clearly Dong Siak, or Don Li in the U.S., and Gong Yu's film as they displayed the most personality and badass moments throughout the story.

It's also noteworthy that these zombies are the freakiest I've seen in a while, so kudos to the effects team for crafting another in the long list of the undead. bottom line is this feature stands next to the horror greats it needs to be said right now the upcoming remake has its work cut out for it because this buson is frantic gruesome and bloody spectacular no question rating 9.5 out of 10 I agree with him wholeheartedly you guys you guys seen that oh yeah I love the train of Busan my oh what yep nope I have not seen this one

Oh, no, Adam, you gotta correct that, man. I know, I know. It's worth watching again, for sure. Because I don't think I gave it a really great score. I think I gave it like a six or something when the first review. I think you did. Yeah. He said, how come I have to have subtitles, goddammit?

This is Merca. Where's my Merckon? God, damn it. Where's the Merckon language? That's what I speak. You can get it. Yeah! But no, I love

Training Boots on a which I love exposing it to friends. I literally did that while I was up in Georgia for DragonCon. I was staying with a couple people who had never seen. It was on Netflix at the time. I'm not sure if it still is. But I loved showing them that movie

and the entire time they're just like, Tom, is that guy going to die? Is he going to die? I'm like, I don't know. You got watch it, bro. Probably needs a zombie movie. It really gets you emotionally invested. It's a great character-driven zombie movie. One of my favorites of this whole decade.

One of the best movies I've seen that, this whole decade. For sure. It was pretty great. I'll definitely go. Oh, like, it's so great. Let's see. So 31 Days of Horthon, number 29. Silence is a survival,

wait, silence is survival and a premise brought to its own proverbial limit with John Krasinski showing his range as an actor, writer, and director in a quiet place. the biggest sleeper hit of the year. One thing I can wholeheartedly say is the hype around this is completely warranted. The cinematography and special effects are beyond stellar, while the overall silent aspect of the film amplified the performances, scares, and production

and tension to an insane degree. This is the kind of film where theater viewing is essential, and I'm kicking myself for not making it to the cinema to check it out. but a quiet place works adamantly too, as I got everything Krasinski was going for, including the overall theme of protecting one's family at all cost. The only minuscule negative I can think of is that I wanted it to be a tad longer as I felt there was more story to tell, but hopefully the sequel will fix that. Yet as it stands, this deserves every praise and recognition given.

It's sensational across the goddamn board and easily one of the best films of the year. Silence truly is golden rating 9.5 out of 10. Wow. A lot of love for a quiet place. Haven't seen it? No, I haven't seen it. Oh, man, that was a pretty good one. You got to see that one.

Although it's a lot of mixed reviews we got out of that one. I mean, I kind of get in terms of there's definitely, the biggest problem I can say with a quiet place is you're so entertained throughout watching it, but it's definitely the great example of a fridge logic movie, where right after you see it, you go over to the fridge, you get something out of there, you're like, hey, what about this fit that didn't make any sense? Like, it's definitely got a fair share of those, but it's still very engrossing, entertaining to watch throughout. And especially, like, I'm glad to see Emily Blunt is getting so much attention just from like this and some other stuff, because she's incredible.

And she's like the thing to take out of that movie, just loving so much. I can't wait to see her do other stuff, even though. Except Mary Poppins. Except Mary Poppins. There's a lot of issues with that. But that's not a discussion for this show. Yeah, clearly. All right.

So no Barry Poppins. We got number 30. As a movie buff, sometimes there's certain categories of flicks that are executed brilliantly, but not for the fan of heart as it completely wrecks you. So much that you need time to recover afterwards. Needless to say, hereditary fits in this category is one of the most harrowing and tragic films I've ever seen. During its first act, the plot dives into the authentic territory such as family, grief, loss, and mental illness. There's an uneasy dread brewing as well.

Yet before you start to question if it's going to go above these dramatic themes, the story completely jolts with its horror and you realize what is being witnessed. From then on, every scene is built upon with masterful precision and an attention to what's underneath the surface. I have to note this is Tony Colette's best performance of her career, with Alex Wolfe and Millie Shapiro following her exemplary lead with their own sensational talents. And if that isn't enough, the final act is something that undoubtedly will seep into your psyche lingering for days to come.

I know it will for me anyway. Bottom line is, like a quiet place before it, this bleak powerhouse of a film deserves every praise and positive word you can muster. It belongs on every best of the best of the film. best of list for the year and years to come. A true honest to God classic in the making.

One that will make you afraid of what unsettling secrets could be within your family, yourself, and hidden in the darkness. Rating 10 out of 10. Damn. Old words. Thomas, I know how you feel about it. Adam, did you check it out?

I did, and I pretty much agree with them. As far as a 10 out 10 of perfect film, That's very hard for me to give anything a perfect score, but I put it right up there at the nine, or the nine and a half. It's chilling. And, I mean, the acting, like you said, Tony Collette. Oh, my God. She's so good in it.

And, you know, unfortunately, because of the type of movie it is, it's not going to get the recognition and deserves. Yeah. And that's a shame because there are so many just phenomenal performances. and sets and camera work and score and cinematography and everything in this movie works. All right, well, we got 31 Days of Horathon number 31. Ah, here we go. We're closing in. Last but not least.

It came at just under the wire, but I finally got to the reboot sequel that starts a brand new timeline with Halloween. Back to the basics love letter to the fans of the ever-evolving or devolved. Michael Myers saga. To be honest, I did not expect to hate this or even like it as much as the original H2O or the return, but here I am. I can attest to this that this entry paid homagees to just about every past sequel that came before

and still managed to remain as bloody effective in the presentation as you can imagine. Seeing another showdown between the shape and the badass Laurie Strode is what I wanted to see, and it's exactly what I got. Jamie Lee Curtis, and the original Myers himself, Nick Castle. Haven't missed a beat in their portrayals, and I couldn't be happier.

While not a perfect film, its flaws don't take away from the overall enjoyment factor. I had a blast, and if the box office success of this reboot is any indication, we're definitely getting another one of these sooner than we'd think. All I have to say is bring it on with like three periods. Because sometimes the basics is all you need. Happy freaking Halloween, 8 out of 10. That seems a little high. I mean, some of you guys rated it

that high, right? Oh, yeah, I think I gave it a nine. Wow. I mean, I gave it a seven and a half. Yeah. Ah, not bad. Yeah, I'm about right there with them. There's, I have so many little issues with this.

Like, I'm going to leave with this. The fucking doctor. It was so out of control. I mean, to be fair, the doctor's just a syndrome of, I think, a bigger problem with the movie, which is it's a lot of, like, the script gets a lot of contrivances to get one point A to point B. I know it's a slasher movie

and you kind of have to do that to a certain degree, but also it's a movie that's also trying to cover a lot more sort of complex topics with especially like Lori Strode's PTSD and a lot of familial, you know, like taking on the torches of like trying to defeat Michael Myers and the

patriarchy, all this other crap. It's clearly trying to do that, but also wants to be an over-the-top slasher movie. I I liked it, but I have a lot more problems, I think, with it to the point where, honestly, I know they're teasing an ending because I don't want to say anything if you haven't seen Halloween, but there's something clear that you should see and you don't see it. So, of course, we're going to keep going back to this well. Right, right. And it's just like, I, and I'm, this is the movie that, like, as much as I liked, I still honestly just think, especially also after seeing all the Halloween movies over, like, September and October. I'm just like, I'm fucking done with Michael Myers.

I'm really fucking done. The thing is, now it's time to change over to Mike Myers, baby. Oh, God. They clearly built it to where Michael Myers needs to get from point A to point B. He needs to get to Lori. Laurie needs to get to him. That's the whole crux of the movie. So from him, didn't they just fill in all these bullshit slasher kills,

literally for no reason? There are scenes where he walks into houses. It has no reason to walk in, dude, just to kill him. Yeah. someone for no reason. And to me, that felt unnecessary. I would almost like it if it was the hunter and the hunted sort of story.

Which is why? But then they just added all. Yeah, I kind of enjoyed some of the kills. No, they were well done. They were graphic. They were great. But were they necessary.

But it's also a case of just like, hey, we're ignoring all those sequels. But we're going to rip off all of those sequels too. with like all those differences with you. Paid homage. We'll go with that. It's still a Michael Myers movie.

The ending is the ending to Halloween 4, by the way, basically. But go ahead. Don't tell anyone. Okay, so Jordan Peel's Twilight Zone is remaking a nightmare at 20,000 feet starring Adam Scott.

Like from... Yeah, the douchebag guy. Scott Brothers and... Parks and Rec. Pikes a ducke bag. Hey dude, Haldraiser 4. That's right.

He's an Lerreaser 4. That's a weird shit, man. He's got a strange career trajectory. Victoria Hider says Nothing can top John Lithgow's performance in the original. Nothing. The original?

Top. What do you say about that? I do. The original is Bill Shatner, baby. That's right. Captain Kirk himself. But the more interesting thing when I heard that news I initially was a verse because I love the William Shatner and John Lithgow versions

but then I realized this whole experience of like traveling and the tenseness of it is completely different from either of those versions now. There's a lot more you could add to that. Oh yeah. Makes sense. Maybe they will.

Yeah. I'm okay with Adam Scott. If Peel's writing the script, it's probably going to be a pretty smart script. Just a bad day at the airport. Yeah. And a bad day at the airport is going to be fucking terrible. Oh yeah.

Awful. Take your shoes off. That's how it'll start. Watch. All right. Regarding Suspuria, Lars from Denmark says, I'm going to watch it on Halloween. I hope I survive. And on Halloween, Lars posts, at Happy Halloween, you crazy people.

I got a ton of candy and scare your neighbors insane. I hope you get a ton of candy and scare your neighbors insane. See you out there in the dark. And after seeing Susperia 2018 review, this is not a horror film at all. It's an artsy, slow, political, deep, and long movies. I am too old for new movies. I go back to 70s now.

Goodbye. Well, there's your first. Suspiry review before we even get to it. There we have it, guys. Put a pin in that. They see you out there in the dark thing's real ominous. And he's like, whoa, Lars.

Take it down much. Regarding Zombies Halloween 2, Stephen Lobad says, oh, I love trash. It's not that bad. Come on. Jennifer McBride says,

wait, what? Brian Stitcher says, I'm super late. Nez says, Garbage Day. Oh, Thomas. I think Jennifer McBride said, wait, Brian, I'm super late. What is she referring to, Brian? I came to the, I came to the conclusion.

She didn't know there was a sequel to the zombie film or somehow she's not. Or maybe she's confused over the fact that there are two Halloween twos. And it's like, is this a sequel to the 1978 movie or the 2007 movie called Halloween or the new movie called Halloween? The new one. Wait till I come out with a new one and call it Halloween, too. That's gonna suck. Thomas, you were on here, says, Controversial opinion.

While I don't like this movie, I at least respect zombie for trying something brazenly different. His first Halloween suffers so much from ripping off Carpenter full stop. Plus, it ain't nearly as bad as the curse or the resurrection. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense, Thomas.

Does this have like fucking Buster Rhymes inventing Twitch, 2002 guys. I expected a bit more. Darren Wilson says the Sacramento B. Oh, that was our... Oh, he's correcting us. Top 21. And we were saying, what the fuck is the Sacramento B? A high school newspaper?

Apparently not. The Sacramento B is a multiple Pulitzer Prize winning paper that's been publishing since before the Civil War. We stand corrected. But I've never seen them write about horror movies before. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. That was that one guy. the office who wouldn't shut the fuck up.

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So that means now it's time for our featured attractions. It is the original Susperia, as well as the remake. We'll talk about the oldie first, Susperia from 1977, directed by Dario Argento, also known for Deep Red and Demons. Writers were Dario Argento with Darya Nicolodi. The woman playing Elena Marcos was not credited. According to Jessica Harper, she was a 90-year-old ex-hooker who, Director Dario Argento found on the streets of Rome, Italy. I bet he did.

Second piece of... Good for him. Director Argento cast Jessica Harper as the lead after seeing Harper's debut performance in what film, Thomas? A fandom of the paradise. Roll on thundershine on lightning. All right. Well, so...

Thomas, why don't you... You and Adam are guest. Who wants to get started here? Well, Thomas can start, but I just want to throw in, you, Thomas and I both agree, you're saying the title wrong. When you agree, Thomas? Oh, yeah? Yes, I believe.

It's not the correct. Right. The correct pronunciation. Suspelia. Yes, that is the correct pronunciation. So when talking about saspalia, it's important to talk about, I'm going to say Shaka Khan twice. Shaka Khan? Shaka Khan?

Yes, yes, indeed. But in terms of talking about the movie, What I love about Suspira, it's the first Ariragintin movie I ever saw and I saw it in college and what's so interesting is it's like people especially like

you know, critics love to use the idea of dream logic with movies especially like French New Wave stuff people love talking about oh it follows the logic of a dream when really those movies are a bunch of surreal images that I sometimes like, sometimes I don't versus in a Susperia

feels genuinely like a dream logic movie in that everything basically on a base level makes sense in terms of, oh, this character's entering a room. But all the details are so fucking out of whack, which is what I think really is the most interesting thing about, like, dream logic. There's some kind of logic going that's vaguely recognizable to humans,

but it's just off-kilter enough to where it really puts you off. It's why it's one of the rare movies where most of the dubbing doesn't bother me. There's only one example we'll probably get to, and it's only because I recognize that person very well and what their voice is like. And that's not that voice. But everyone else, it just is enough

to get you, like I said, sort of the uncanny, off-kilter attitude of it where someone's dubbed and it's like, they're saying human words in English, but it doesn't sound like it. The lips don't match. It's weird. But that works really for the sort of growing dread and paranoia and suspense of the whole movie. And

I also love the fact that one of my favorite bits of trivia that you didn't mention there was that Argento based the color palette on Snow White and Seven Dwarbs. And the movie has the kind of feel of like the scenes of terror in Snow White. Like the scenes say where Snow White's

going through the forest and there's all the trees that are all terrifying. That's like this movie. Full stop. Yeah for 90 minutes. Yeah for 90 minutes. Where it's fairy tale ish and there's like a fantasy element to it but it's just constantly creepy and dreadful, but gorgeous to look at.

I really love Syspira. I can't agree more. To me, Syspira is just, if not even just a classic in the horror genre, it's a classic that you can watch Sysperia and you know that every camera angle, every color, every wardrobe choice, every prop, every angle that was filmed,

everything was 100% deliberate. And he is literally telling a story without using the words and most of the time. I mean, it's a beautiful movie to look at. And oh, my God, there's nothing else like this movie. And I just, it's so enervic. And, dude, props to the soundtrack. What a fantastic synth score.

And this is Goblin, am I correct? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, I think it's Goblin. And, I mean, the score is so good. just the opening score with the whispers you know the suspicilia which you look what the fuck yeah

it's an unnerving movie from beginning to from the second that she's in that pristine airport and she walks out and it's just torrential compound poor and everything is I mean she's just

everything is fucked from then on it's just such a fantastic movie uh Brian had you seen this movie before? No, this is the first time I've ever seen a Suspelia. Yes. So, there we go.

Yeah. I've heard of it. I've seen, you know, scenes here and there, like the, I think the hanging scene is kind of iconic from this movie. I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the music and the colors really popped in this movie. The dubbing didn't bother me at all. I kind of got you.

I've seen worse. but I kind of don't really know what was really happening towards the end almost felt like nothing was happening really so I mean you're not wrong you're not wrong I mean it's a simple story really when you get into it I mean it's a ballet school that was opened by a witch and it's still run by a covenant witches

and you know you kill the main witch and all the rest die and they don't want to be discovered I mean that's basically the story. And, uh, yeah. Fuck, though, man. God damn. I'll tell you what, though.

This movie wraps up so quick. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, real tidy. You're like, wait, there's only 10 minutes left. What the hell? But I just honestly, I love just the weird reason this with which, uh, Jessica Harper, who I really do love in the movie, but at the same time, her character is

very much just like, she really doesn't affect. the story at all. She's basically like a audience surrogate character to the point where she's almost like a point and click adventure protagonist where you're just going around, like watching the environment through her eyes, her giant huge Amanda's

safe free dice. But I just love the fact like her walking out her walking out in the rain as like everything's on fire behind her just kind of feels like oh this is life isn't it? It's just like oh I'm just going through the rain everything's fine. We had a, oh we can laugh

at that now, guys. Remember what happened like five seconds ago? Crazy. And I do like that almost halfway through the movie they pull a switch and make Sarah the main character for a minute. Right. Mm-hmm. Like that really worked out well, but I, I, I, I, do, Thomas I agree with you 100% which is walk out to Reddit that it's

you have been watching. Suspia. You're like, what the fuck? And throughout the credits, it's just everybody in the fucking fire, in the fire of the ballet house, horribly screaming to death.

And once again, just to scar, we're like, oh, we have her. I expected to see a freeze frame there. True. And to allude back to what Thomas said when he first started talking about it, the dubbing, I'm going to imagine Thomas you were talking about Udo Kier. Yes, exactly. Only because, like I said, it's just like,

that's not Udo Kier. That's not how he sounds like. What the fuck is this? I went to a convention and Udo Kier was there. And I have a Suspira poster and I'm like, do I really want Udo Kier to sign this? He's in this movie for like two minutes. And I brought it up to him.

And first of all, he smelled rich, like, vanilla and, like, of stories long paths. Exactly. I always dreamed he'd smell. Like, go on. He was a beautiful man. And he signed my poster, and you can tell what he signed. He's like, this is the fucking posterer in SkyWites me to sign? I'm not even in this movie.

I got Andy Warhol, Dracula posters all over my table. But, yeah, dude, just seeing him, though, he's so good in it, even for his little second. And his dubbing actually does line up. If you watch it, when he's talking to dubbing, whoever did the dubbing for him does line up. Although you just know it's his fucking hardcore German accent coming through the whole time. And I wish they would have kept it. Because honestly, I think that it made it even a little weirder. You're right?

Yeah, they are in Germany. The movie takes place in Germany. so why wouldn't he be German? I didn't even I honestly didn't even realize they were dubbing. I was like, man, this acting is really bad.

The whole movie's dubbed except for her. No, I think it was just because of the dubbing. I didn't click. This is the first watch for me too. I'm going to say visually, it's beautiful. I love the soundtrack. It has like a

the Exorcist meets how, Halloween kind of theme to it, which is really cool and creepy the whole way through. And the more they played it, it was a little annoying at first with the fucking Grover in the background singing. Oscar the Grouch. But once it kept going, it got better and better. The story, though, was a little nuts, and I can't really retain what happened. I think I owe it another watch.

but it's one of those trippy, like Mandy. It's like one of those trippy movies that looks really amazing, but doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. And if I have to watch it two or three times to get it, it's kind of hard to deal with for me. I think the movie's a little bit overrated. I hate to say that. That doesn't mean it's bad.

I can't disagree with you, man. I really can't. The thing with the movie is the plot. is so simple, really. It really is a simple plot, but it's just filled with so many artistic choices that the plot almost becomes convoluted. It's like, it's like, I totally, yeah, I mean, I think the bigger problem is you see this in other Argentine movies. Like I mentioned I watched Inferno, which is technically sort of a sequel to this movie in terms of like they mentioned like the mothers. Yeah, this is the second of the three, right? The third is the first of the three.

Right. No, no, no, no. it's, I love Argento and how confusing those kids. It's Susperia, then Inferno is the second one. And then Mother of Tears. And then Mother of Tears that came out several, which I had not seen, whichever it's terrible. You shouldn't. Yeah, I don't want that. Right. Yes, but the thing is with like Inferno, for example, that has more of a problem because there is more of a plot going on. There's more plot stuffed into it.

And that movie becomes like a fucking racing baton of a movie with a protagonist. It's like, here, you're the protagonist now for the next 10 minutes. Now you are. Now you are. Oh, wow. That's pretty cool, actually. That's more that's more convoluted to me though because it's like all these different storyline stuff together versus in Suspira, like Adam's saying, it feels a lot more just like a simple grounded story. But it's like I said, very over the top machinations that like come from it. Which the thing is the better way to do a surreal, weird trippy

movie. It's just basically this girl goes to this ballet school. She starts to realize something weirds going on. Holy fuck there are witches. Like that's it. That's the three-act structure of the spoofy. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty much that. But... It seems more... You really... than it is. Well, no, yeah, I mean, because they have like all these scenes that, like,

make you want to ask more question. Like, I assume something like the guy with the dog in the middle of, like, the town square scene might have been a bit more confusing. And then, like, it kind of... After you left the Hofbrough house where they were doing the German dancing. Right. Well, that.

That's so great. Hey, that was one of those moments where I thought, did I just smoke a joint? Or did I walk into this scene? Did they put something into this? I should have gone. I should have went ahead and bought the damn thing. Watching pirated copies.

That's what happens. Yo, the HD versions on 2B TV for free. Oh, yeah? Mm-hmm. You just got to watch commercials, but, you know. Yeah, guys. I actually did watch it. actually did watch this twice. This was a first viewing for me earlier in the week, and then I watched

it again last night. Yeah. And I'm really glad I did, because all I took from it the first time, and like you say, the plot's simple at them, but, you know, it's still, I was kind of like missing parts, and I don't know if it's maybe because I was distracted or if I was expecting something that wasn't there. But on the second viewing, I got a lot more out of the story part of it. But one thing that I caught on both earrings was the color palette and the choices they made with the light bright red and the really, really bright green in certain

scenes and bright blue. And you guys have any idea why they chose that? Why he did the monochromatic look like that in so many different scenes? I think it comes from something like I mentioned there's the whole snow white element of it. And in that movie

it also has like the color choices are very deliberate and very interesting because it's always just like, oh, the huge immense black darkness for the forest and having the trees show up, stuff like that. I think it's very much meant to be like a mood kind of thing. Like there's that point when Jessica Harper's asleep and the Sarah character is in the bedroom with her and looks like traditional sort of dark bedroom setting and then it becomes green. I think it's really meant to show like sort of the confusion of that character. I agree.

I think that's the whole point. I think the whole point is to confuse the audience. I've heard that this is one of the last films to be shot in Technicolor, but that could be, I could be completely talking about my ass. Like old school Technicolor? I heard something similar, but I heard this, what I heard was this last film that really defined what Technicolor could have been. And then they just kind of abandoned it,

which is a shame because, as, you know, Brian said and everybody said, this movie is fucking gorgeous. Nope. It's in the trivia. It's often assumed that to achieve the rich color palette the film was shot using the outdated three-strip technicolor process. This was in fact not true. No film after the mid-50s

was shot using this method. All right, but there you have it. It's a testament to the movie that it's a testament to the movie though that you feel like it's technicolor. It has that sort of bright, almost assault on the senses. And I think that really works wonderfully. Like, we mentioned

in the hanging scene. It's one of the biggest iconic choruses of all time for a reason, because it's this horrific moment of this girl being hanged, and it's so quick, it's so sudden, it's so sharp, but it's gorgeous. She's, when she's

fallen through the window pane, and then just just like covered in glass shards, and it's all over, even on the floor down there, it's tremendous, and I think it's because it's showing the gorgeous beauty of this ballet school, has something sinister that's just waiting to, in this case, drop down in front of your face.

I think it's all intentional to sort of display that thematic element of it, of this gorgeous-looking place has something horrific hiding underneath it. And I think Ardenton does such a tremendous job of showing it with so many of the death scenes, even if some of them don't make sense, like, my favorite, and probably the funniest scene to me, is when, I believe it is here walking around, and she's like, oh, look, there's a ledge I can jump onto. Oh, no, I'm sorry, this is the Barb Wire Room we have in this fucking... Bellet. But how brutal.

But how brutal, though. Yeah. Very brutal. And every time she goes to stand up to falls. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And like I said before, there is not one choice in this movie that's not delivered. That's the one thing I take from this movie.

Everything was done for a reason. Even the smallest of my new show of the detail that's there for a reason. Yeah, it's arty and gorgeous, but at least there's some payout on it, you know? It's got some really cool death scenes. Yo, homegirl getting stabbed in the open heart before she gets me. Right, yeah, that was... Yeah, you see where the little hole is, where it pierces in the heart and stuff like that. It's pretty graphic.

Yeah. Pretty good special effects. Definitely no CGI, guys. No. You guys ready. You can tell from the animated outline that's popular. up when she's invisible. Yes, that's right.

Which is to go even further to like video game comparisons just felt like that's like that moment when you're fighting the boss and it's like, here's my obvious weak point. Here's my obvious weekpoint. It's just shining right in front of you. But no, I especially love that sequence because that feels almost like a Halloween Horror Night's maze that you're just walking in the middle of. And it is especially just the flower and remembered what the girl said when she was leaving at the beginning.

Right. Yeah. And then also for some reason she has her room adorned with an NBC peacock. Oh, that was like, that's an iconic peacock, though. That's funny because I've seen that before somewhere. I've never seen the movie before, but I've seen that peacock like either on a website or a Facebook page or something. Yeah, definitely.

You guys ready for scores? Yeah, sure. Who's going first? I'll go first. Yeah, scale of one to ten, man. I'll give it a nine. nine and a half maybe I think this is a classic

example of A, the best of Italian horror and B how to make everything you do in a movie mean something in the movie. Whether or not the viewer gets it or not, the viewer notices it. Good point.

And I think that's important. Well said, man. Thomas? Yeah, I mean, I'll also say a nine. I really do love this movie as well. I haven't seen a lot of Argento, but what I have seen, I think in other movies, it can heat his sort of Gialo sensibilities, which if you don't know is the sort of Italian version of like the slasher franchisees roughly. Like that's basically what Gialo is.

And this movie has shades of that, but it also has so many different shades of so many different subgenres of horror that come all along. It's surreal. It's weird. it's gorgeous to look at but also it's an interesting story just about these young ladies who are

sort of growing into you know it's we didn't even mention this either but Argento originally conceived this as starring like a bunch of preteen girls and everyone said that's probably not good flight I did hear that that the characters are supposed to be younger

but you well I mean you can tell that from like certain scenes like we didn't talk about much but like any of the scenes where the dancers are talking to each other just like I heard that somebody's going to be doing this. Like, it feels like they're fucking 12-year-olds. Oh, Thomas. Can I ask you a question?

Yes. What the fuck happened to Olga? In this movie, the one she moved in with? Oh, I had no fucking idea. You're right? She just vanished. She disappeared. Was she the one that she said made the comment about it being like Madahari or something like that?

Yeah. Well, when she got sick, all of a sudden like, oh, Olga doesn't want you to live with. her anymore so now you're going to stay here at the dormitories. And that's it. You never see Olga again. Yeah. Well, maybe something got cut out. It was a short movie. Well, but then again, what I like about the movie also is certain details

like that honestly don't really matter that much. What I always take a movie as, even if it's like, oh, hey, the story isn't quite make a lot sense. It's like, well, is the movie really aiming for that? What is the intention the movie's really going for? And the movie, I think, is much more going for a surreal

dreamlike, bizarre experience of going into this environment and finding horrors underneath the beauty and just making your way through and seeing really what lies underneath. This gorgeous look that you find here.

There's a lot more darkness that's underneath. And I think it does a really great job of visually showing you that and giving you enough of a story to follow that along while also, like I say, it's like a fever dream. it's living fucking pain. It's a beautiful notion. I've heard of this movie so far.

Right. Few movies ever really have achieved. Several have tried, including Argent to himself, has tried past this, but few movies have ever really gotten to that level as much as this one does. Brian?

Off of a first time watch, I'm going to give it a seven. I do want to see it in HD. Yeah, like I said, it was shot really well. I do like, we talked about the scene with the blind guy with the dog. I like those wide shots of that whole town square and things like that. The colors really pop for me, and I enjoyed the music.

So I think in future viewings, it might go up. My score might go up, but I'm going to go with a seven. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm going to give it a seven. Like I said, I mean, it may have sounded like I didn't like the movie, but I think it was still really good. But, you know, Suspira is always tooted as like this horror masterpiece. I get where people really love it.

But for your average horror viewer, this one may be a little on the extreme artsy side. Just because it's artsy. But it's only an hour and a half long and it is a classic, so definitely worth watching if you've never seen it. Yeah, well, like I said, I've seen it twice in one week. The first time I saw it, what I took away from it was, the gorgeous way that it was shot, the beautiful cinematography and the use of colors and stuff like that.

But the fucking soundtrack, the Goblin soundtrack, this might be my favorite horror movie soundtrack of all times. It's good, huh? I fucking love it when that creepy little drum pops in, where it goes, did, da, ba-boom,

and they got the, like, it's just so fucking creepy, man. Dude, I want it on vinyl. I really do. Oh, dude, man, it is, it's, it, that would be something, that would be something you would want to have a bunch of people, uh, hanging around, like, drop in acid and smoke. Perfect Halloween, like Halloween, at a Halloween party, you had this in the background? Yeah, you couldn't beat it, man. You can't beat it. It's fucking amazing. The second, the second viewing, I started picking up more of the character stuff. I, I even had to look this up. I looked at what came first, Rocky Horror Picture Show or this. Oh. And the Rocky Horror Picture Show came.

Well, it came out two years before. And like some of those characters, is it just me guys? Or were some of the like the background characters like the weird tall dude, the handyman or whatever he was? Did that not remind you guys of some of the like the Rocky Horror characters or something?

Well, I mean, very Jaws James Bond. There's that too. Yeah, I agree with that. But I think it's more just, to be fair, the Rocky Horror Picture Show was off definitely playing off older horror movies in general, like Hammer stuff, especially.

Yeah, true. Anyway, so I think they're playing off similar things, especially you can tell. The colors of this movie were very inspired by early Hammer stuff as well. All right. Yeah, that's cool. But now that you mention it, yeah. But I really, I really did, I really did dig the way that they would kind of like do some surreal scenes like that. We're like, like I mentioned earlier, all of a sudden the blind dude is sitting there in the fucking German Hofbrow house and they're all doing their dances and shit like that.

And everybody's got these, like, three-liter glasses of beer that they're drinking and whatnot. And then he goes off of the fucking dog. His own dog attacks. It was like, what the fuck made that happen? Oh, yeah. What caused that, you know? Yeah, yeah, I know. It's like there was always that undercurrent of fear.

Like, there was something going on and something being controlled, but you couldn't quite put your finger on it. Yeah. And then, like, when she first showed up and the girl was running away and she was in the rain. and having all that trouble hailing down a cab, it was just like, it was a really good movie. I was very impressed with what Argento did.

I've never, full disclosure, this is the first Argeno movie I've ever seen, which a lot of my friends told me, ah, check out all the Gialo stuff, check out Argeno. He's a, you know, he's a master of his craft and stuff like that, and I've never really seen it. So I really enjoyed it.

I'll give it a, I'm going to, go eight. I was going to go seven and a half, but on second viewing, it got me up to eight because I took a lot more in. And I don't know, maybe I'm way off base, but I did notice that there was like one

scene, and I think it was the scene with the guy leaving the Hofbrough house, the blind dude, and you saw the police there, and I got this weird Nazi vibe for some reason. And yeah, I mean, it's set in Germany and, what, 1977 or whatever, but what was bizarre to me was when she

turned the flower and walked down that hallway that Thomas referred to as like being in a maze. Did you guys notice the Jewish writing on the walls and stuff like that? Absolutely. Yeah. I don't know if he meant to say anything by that or not, but I just kind of got a flashback. Well, that's as good transition point as, Jenny,

because we're going to talk about the remake, which saw moments like that, and they were just like, hmm, let's make a whole movie out of those moments of the movie. Oh, yeah. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. We're going to get into that. Okay, so I give the original an eight. I fucking loved it, guys.

I'm ready to watch it again. I'm glad you liked it, man. It's one of the few that whenever it's like, oh, you haven't seen this one. It's a classic. That actually holds up, and people tell you to watch it. All right. Bad ass. So everybody here highly recommends the original Susperia.

Yeah. Uh-uh-uh. Susperia. Oh, yes. Syspiria. Like a snake. Your name has an S. You must be a snake.

All right. I gotta wonder if the remake, because horror remakes usually fucking suck. Let's not fucking pull any punches here, like Friday the 13th. God forbid that fucking nightmare on Elm Street abortion that Jackie Earl

Haley was in. Jesus fucking Christ. Wow. So director, director Luca. Oh man, I'm going to butcher some names here. Guadagin. How many letters

that fucking thing have? A lot. He's also known... I'm assuming it's Guadagino. Yeah. I'll buy it, man. Also known for... Call Me By Your Name and a Bigger Splash, which I've mentioned how many times on this podcast? Oh, yeah, you really like that one. I see, and I've never seen Call Me By Your Name. Oh, dude, it's a great movie.

Writer... David Kaj... Fuck. Get somebody me out. Kajanajibish. Sure. Kayanich. And guess what?

He wrote a bigger splash and the upcoming Pet Cemetery remake as well. Oh, I'm excited about that one. Oh, fuck. Is this true? Dakota Johnson completed two years of ballet training to prep for her role. That makes sense. Hmm. Okay.

She didn't. Having seen it, yes. She's doing this between the 50 Shades movies? You know what? After seeing this, I'm ready to rewatch those. How much time did you really spend on the? those sets, to be fair. That's bad. I don't think

anybody spent it on those sets. You talk about way back. In 2008, Natalie Portman was all set to star in the film, and Judy Dench was supposed to play Madame Blanc. She got that ballet itch, and she went off to do something else in that video. Yeah, exactly.

And speaking of Halloween, guys, speaking of Halloween 2018, David Gordon Greer was originally said to be director. So, Alright, who's going to jump in? Well, I think we should... Go ahead.

There's some excitement here. I like it. Isn't it only you and I, Lance, who have seen the remake rate? Philip? Of what? Suspira? Oh, yeah, three of us. Yeah, that's all. Adam, you didn't see it, right?

I did not. Brian? And I don't think Brian did either. Nope. I won't be getting it up here until next week. Hey, three, in, in, uh, here at the horror return studios, guys, three people or more is considered a quorum,

so we're good to go. Take it. The only thing I want to throw in, there's another, um, trivia thing I want to throw in, um, Isabel Furman, um,

who if anybody knows, she was, uh, the girl in orphan. Right. And she was supposed to be the main girl in this for a long, long time. No shit.

Yeah. And then when it constantly got shifted about, she eventually had to drop out. Okay. That would have been a younger cast, right? Right, a bit more similar to Argent's original vision. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. You know, Dakota Johnson, I think, was a strange choice, but she kind of pulled it off.

Oh, I thought she was phenomenal. I'll say this much. I think what I like about this remake of Susperia, William Bibiani of IGN.com said it, I think, very accurately in his less positive review, that this feels less like a remake necessarily of Susperia, more like someone adapted a giant sort of essay about Susperia, like an elaborate think piece about Susperia into a movie. And I feel that's accurate, but in a way that I personally did really enjoy about the movie, because it feels like a movie that constantly knows what Susperian.

is and that sort of dream logic we're talking about, but presents a far more sort of grounded and dirty and a lot more plot heavy version of the story. In a way that I respected, because you talked about some of those remakes lands that are terrible.

Usually a bad horror remake is one that explicitly tries to recreate what happened before, but does it so lamely. Like in Nightmare and Lama Street, how many times you saw fucking like, oh, there's the boiler room, there's this particular scare moment from the original, there's this, that, because that's all it really has up its sleeve versus this is a movie I respect more because it knows exactly

what the original Spirial was and is trying to more be a remixed, rejiggered version of that from a different perspective. And that's, I hope, would be more the tact that you would want to take with a horror remake, because why we create perfection when you can just take a new angle on what we've seen before? That was one of the things that I was going to mention is, I mean, I know it's a remake, and I had for some reason heard that it was. It's supposed to be like a pretty straight-laced remake. Like a shot like Psycho, huh? Yeah, and that is not what I got out of this at all.

Not at all, huh? I mean, there's the same basic concept, you know, dance school, witch coven, some of the names are all the same. And there it ends, right? That's about it. Yeah, the rest of it is just a completely different thing. But yeah, like you said, I think that I do appreciate that this one had a lot more story behind it. Man, but it was a lot of story. This movie was two and a half hours long,

but it felt every bit of it. Literally an hour longer than the original. This one also had its payouts. I think it was still shot pretty beautifully. The dancing was gorgeous. It didn't have the same bright colors and the same visuals as the original. Yeah, differently filmed, right?

Yeah, he chose a different route, which I can appreciate, you know? He didn't want to do the same thing that Suspira had already done, and so he made his own artsy thing. And it worked. Was it as beautiful as the original one? No.

But the story was there. The dancing was there, which there wasn't actually a ton of dancing for being a dance studio. I was going to bring that up. That was it disappointed me about the original. Tilda Swinton, fucking phenomenal. She plays three parts in this movie. Yes.

We need to go explicitly about that. She plays three different parts. She plays obviously Helen Market. She plays, well, one, she plays Madame Blanc, who is sort of the dance studio leader. She plays Helena Marcus, that version of the main witch character. Also, and also. And also. Don't go to, don't go Td.

Yes. Another role. Another role. Right. Well, I think it was, I don't know. I don't think that's necessarily a spoiler. Well, now that's, you're right. That's not a spoiler.

The old man. I don't know what his name is. Yes. There's an old man character. It's pretty much like they made Udo. The good doctor. Right. It's almost if they adapted the Udo Kier character to be.

I mean, that's pretty much what is, and I'll say this much in terms of like, you know, this is a guy who made calling by your name, which was a big award starling last year. Right. This movie deserves recognition for its makeup. It is spectacular. Especially, like, the way they transform Tilda Swinton as that character is unbelievable. Even though, admittedly, the moment she opens her mouth, it's like, oh, that's Tilda Swinton's voice. Like, you can clearly tell. I have.

Tilda Swinton herself is best actress, dude. I guess she'd be supporting, right? Right. It's more of a supporting thing. But really, she's the one that supported this movie. I thought that the scenes were only interesting because of Tilda Swinton. If she hadn't been in the movie, I'd have fallen asleep 20 minutes in. She's fucking amazing, dude.

I have not seen anything that she's in that I haven't loved. And I didn't know that she was the old guy or, yeah. You mean while you were watching it? While I was watching, I had no idea. I didn't know until afterwards. Did you figure it out? Well, I kept looking at him and I was like, man, that looks like an old dude, but it looks like they, you know,

Benjamin Buttoned somebody. Why would they do that instead of just hiring an old guy? It's Brad Pitt. Oh, well. And then I heard it was still the Swinton, and I was like, wow. Yeah. Mad respect for that. I really thought she was the other witch that stabbed herself in the throat. Was that not her?

Oh, no. No, that's not her. Okay, see, it didn't fool me. Because I thought, I was, the whole time I was thinking, That's also... Oh, shit! Wow. The hypocrisy, truly someone hoisted by his own pittard.

Ouch. But actually, guys, the real spoiler, Tilda Swinton played every part in this movie. That's the biggest. Well, I mean, she's still the fucking sweating, guys. That's true. She's like Eddie Murphy. Wow. But better.

But better. You know what? I haven't fucked up that badly on giving away a spoiler. since solo. I don't think that was too bad. Oh, that was pretty funny. But yeah, no, I mean, I enjoyed it, but God, it was so, so long.

They cut it up in a nice little chunks and give you, like, they'll tell you when the next act is starting and then label it, which is kind of nice, because otherwise it'd have been like, when is this fucking movie gonna be over? And every new scene that they came up with, every new act that they popped up

with, I was like, another one? Mm-hmm. God, damn. Yeah, like six acts and an epilogue. Well, they told you literally at the beginning, set in Berlin six acts in an epilogue. He's like, oh, there's the one, two, three, four, five, six. I remember things from the beginning of the movie. So it was like hateful eight, but less racist.

Okay. See, in the first few minutes. But, um, no, I, I, uh, yeah, man, I, I don't know. I, I don't, I don't know that I quite got this. this one. I do know. I think it was just a little too long for me. Oh, man. Like a lot too long for me. You're killing me, Smalls. Dude, it's got some slow burn and there's definitely some payoff. I love slow burn, dude, if it's done right. But man, it's so slow. I mean, I get what he's talking about for certain things. Like, I will say, as much as I was impressed by the Tilda Switten, old, or man character, I did feel that that storyline probably could have been cut down the most, because I get what that character represents. And I get what... what's supposed to, like, what the meaning of that whole thing is.

But also at the same time, I was never quite that emotionally invested in his character. Yeah. And I became so, actually. You could take him. I will not say at this point, because I will wait for spoilers. But at one point, there was a point where I became completely invested in that character. I don't know, dude. You could have taken him completely out of the movie and it wouldn't change anything.

So can I ask you a question, guys, without observing it? But no. On retrospect, no. I love that that character was in there, man. So I saw the article where Tilded Swinton had the prosthetic penis made for herself to wear just so she get more in the character. Well, that's a serious in-character thing, man. Also, more importantly, spoilers, Adam. Spoilers, Adam. Hold on. We'll get into that.

We'll get into that later. We'll get into that later. Did you see the latex penis guys? Come on, don't be there. I don't think that that's too much of a spoiler. Yes, there's a penis. There's a couple of them. Oh, I really got to see this movie. I want to hear more from Lance because he's very emphatic about this.

But none of them are right. I'm going to try. I'm going to do my damnedest not to spoil anything until we get into the spoiler section. But from the minute I walked into this movie until the very last, frame of the film. I fucking fell in love with it. I think this director, how many times have I talked about a bigger splash?

Yeah. I mean, just out of nowhere. And we're a horror podcast, and I bring it up all the time. This is fucking beautiful, guys. I absolutely love this film. I think this took everything that I enjoyed from the first one and expanded on it.

And I love the twist at the end that I will not talk about until I get into spoilers. I have so many different. Oh, I've got answers, because I think I've got it all figured out. But I will say this. A couple of things that I dislike,

or that didn't make me rate the first film as high, it's in a dance school. I thought we were going to get to see more dance. They definitely took care of that on this one. There was a lot of gorgeous dance scenes. There's your fucking extra hour. Oh, dude. You know what?

That's fine. I'll take it, man, because the way that they put all this together, and I am, we joke about haul past this, haul past that, I'm fucking in love with Don Johnson's daughter, man. She is, that's why I'm going to go back and watch the 50 Shades movie. Oh, could you not be in love with Crackett's daughter? Absolutely, dude, he did well, man. She's sexy.

Am I right? I think her grandmother is the star of the birds. Are you serious? my wife was telling me yeah oh man i'll tell you what that's some great dnaa man no uh no no what no no no no no no no one no riffith melany griffith that's right you know i always got no i'm gonna say this about dakota johnson she did the 50 shades movies for a paycheck everything else that i've seen her in i've really appreciated her acting i really do think she's a great actor yeah tilda swinton what can you say about her

going back to last week, talking about Labrith 2. You guys said, who should play the Goblin King? And you said, well, didn't Tilda Swinton play David Bowie? You know, and then we got into all this shit. And that turned back to a bigger splash too. Yeah. No, without seeing this movie, Tilda Swinton, to me, has been the most consistent actor of the last 15 years. Yeah, dude.

She's fantastic. Could she or could she not pull off the Goblin King and? 100%. Oh, 100%. I have a question for you guys. Yes. You guys haven't mentioned Mia Goth or Chloe Grace Moretz. How were they in this movie?

Brilliant, both of them. I thought they were fine. I thought they did a pretty good job in there, because, I mean, they're tasked with kind of expanding upon some. Well, Mia Goth is more expanding upon, like, the Sarah character, pretty much. And I thought, like, it's interesting that she was in this, because I remember she was in a cure for wellness, and I thought she was the most interesting,

thing of that movie, which has several problems. Yeah, including her big dance scene to the punk song in the middle of that bar. But yeah, I thought she was pretty good. And Clochreys Moretz especially, she has a very small role, but it's a very, it's one that like really lingers with you from the moment. Like she appears very much at the beginning of the movie and then she pops up a few times afterward. But it's probably one of her more nuanced performances too, because she is very desperate,

very, she's got clear mental illness of some sort and it's really like affecting her. it's a really good turn from her especially. Yes, agreed. I was just disappointed she wasn't in the movie more. I thought she was going to be a big part of the film from what everybody was talking about. Well, I mean, she's a presence. Right, of course, yeah, the makeup, we should mention also

when that affects certain other characters as well, including her. There's a whole horror sequence that we won't spoil, but that just involves a lot of mirrors. Oh, my God, dude. That is genuinely one of the scary, most disturbing bits of body horror

I've seen in a movie in a long time. There were two great horror scenes in this movie interspersed by a lot of really slow character development to buildup. Exactly. And that is what I fucking love. But God, it was a lot of buildup.

Yeah, but I loved it, dude. You know what? I would take everything they put in this movie, and if they added another hour, I'd still watch it. If it's this high quality, I'm going to stick with it. Could it have been a little shorter, of course? could they have cut out some of the story of the doctor, of course.

But, you know, the core of the story, all the acting was fucking phenomenal. Every, oh, my God, there were some chilling scenes where the witches were like giggling about what they were, the vicious evil things they were doing, and they were giggling about it. And, like, just I was thinking, holy shit. This is the Me Too movement in reverse. Totally. I mean, you get some of that. I think what works about it is you wouldn't immediately. think of this director doing like a Suspira

remake. But in practice, I love that he kind of well, right, but I love in practice he does clearly make it sort of his own, especially in terms of all of those scenes and call me by your name that are like just everybody hanging out, having a good time. They do that here, but it's with a bunch of fucking witches who are talking about

like trying to use a girl as a vessel and shit like that. I love there's a whole like huge one shot where they're all hanging out inside of like their common room inside the ballet studio. And it feels like a scene out of call me by your name. but it's fucking a bunch of evil witches. Oh, you're right, dude.

I do see that. I do see that. Yeah, I think that's what's interesting. Geez, Lance is really fired up. Right, take it easy. Jesus Christ, but that's what I really liked about watching the movie is it feels like it's definitely once again going in that reverse take with Suspiritware.

There's a lot more about, in the original, about kind of building up to the witches, and you're not sure if they're really witches initially and it slowly gets revealed to you. versus this movie's all about, no, we're just chilling, we're witches. We like it here. Yeah, it's a lot better than what's outside, which also leads to a lot of the political context of the movie.

That's very interesting, which I know is familiar with specifically 1977 Berlin politics, but also I can kind of get why they said in this particular era and had certain specific references to fascism. And I'm like, hmm, hmm, I wonder what he's trying to say. So obviously without seeing the movie, but seeing the screenshots, I noticed the scenes where they're doing their dancer team, they got basically like red yarn dresses on.

To me, I felt that was a throwback to the original poster. Yeah. The original movie with the slitneck ballerina. Right. I mean, yeah, you can definitely see that. But what I do want to say to what Lance was talking about, I love the scenes of like not just the actual dance, but also it's a movie that gets the politics of dance.

down so well in terms of the cutthroat nature of being a dancer. I have two sisters who were in dance, and even though it was obviously like much younger kids and it wasn't as high stakes, you can feel that sort of tension and that worry and all of that throughout here

with like this one where, especially that's a key part of what Tilda Swinton Dakota Johnson's relationship is throughout the movie. It's a power struggle thing. And I loved how they both conveyed that and they both felt on such like a perfect even level with that. There's a great shot where they're all at a restaurant having dinner, and it's just daggers between those two.

Tremendous acting and also just a great way of shooting, too, with those. You really get a sense of just like the power dynamics that's going on there. So what I'm hearing is almost sounds like a J.K. Simmons, Miles Teller, Whiplash sort of relationship. A bit, only if Miles Teller went a very different way with that ending. Well, yeah, I was definitely different way. I mean, I know what happens. So hard on her.

well which well I will disagree with the head to a certain degree spoilers or let's get into we've been dancing around it well I know what it happens I mean without seeing the movie I already know what we've been we've been dancing around it oh Thomas

all right all right we got to do scores right Thomas I would personally give it out of the 10 I would say probably 7.5. I really enjoyed it. I really respect what it's going for. We'll get more to some of the

spoilery stuff as things go along, obviously, but I really respect this remake. I might enjoy it even more on more of like a second watch, perhaps. I want to take some distance a bit from it first. But I definitely do appreciate what it's going for, and it's

one of the better horror remakes I've seen in a while. I would definitely be willing to give it another chance. Um, not, not right now. That was a lot of take time. Like, man. Not today, huh?

I got too much shit to do today. You don't want to go watch it after we're done with the podcast? Um, but I, I would like to, uh, especially expand on some of the things that I was maybe a little confused about. Because they don't ever really come outside, come out and tell you anything about what's going on. You got to figure it out. Um, I'm going to give it a five and a half. And no knock on the acting. I think that was great.

I don't think the score we didn't really talk about. But definitely not as iconic as the original, even though it was still pretty good. Radiohead. It is literally like a Radiohead album who's playing in the back room in the best way. I'm glad you guys brought that out. Tom York did the score, right?

Yeah. Right, yes. From Radiohead, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, it was okay. in my book. I think that it definitely had some good points. More good than bad, huh?

Yeah, a little more good than bad. That's about all you could say. Yeah, man, I'm going to have to watch it again. Once I know what the fuck is going on. Right. But, you know, I said that about Mother, too, and I still haven't watched it again. But I at least had an idea of what was happening with Mother.

Through this one, I was like, who is... Why are they doing that? Anyway. Well, Adam, I don't know what Rick Flair would score this. but after I saw it, I walked at the theater and I went, Woo! That's all you would do, dude.

You'd do that in the catfall. Were you the only one there? This has been at the movies with Rick Flair. Oh my God, I would listen to that. Actually, it wasn't at a lot of theaters here, and I actually saw it at noon, and there were quite a few people in there. Okay, I have a quick thing about that one,

just started to interrupt. So we first got to the movie theater this morning at like 11 o'clock. You saw it in Galveston? No, it was off the best thing. felt way because it's just limited release. We had a drive to get to it. Right. And we pull up and there's a line outside.

And my wife goes, is that for Susperia? And I was like, no fucking way. Probably not. There's not a fucking chance that that is for Susperia. Is this shit going to be sold out? Did I totally underestimate what I was going to do? And we get up there and she goes,

Bohemian Rhapsody's out today. I was like, oh. There you go. Damn it. I live in shit. It's Detroit, so there's nothing out here. Oh, man. Yeah, fucking Bryant's in Anchorage, so...

Oh, that doesn't mean anything. I got every other movie. You got some great, great crowds there, though, don't you? That was a wide release, right? That's everywhere? Yeah, big time. So is that what they were waiting for? Yeah, that's what they were waiting for.

Our theater, we were the only two people in there. That's it. Oh, wow. Well, this is... And my wife fell asleep like four times. In this movie? Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not surprised.

I mean, I can see that, you know, unless you're ready for it. I'm really glad I saw the original twice. What I think this movie did, and this is just my opinion, and you guys obviously disagree with me, but in my opinion, this is one of the rare horror remakes that was above the original. Better than the original. I thought it expanded on it a lot more. I thought that it took a lot more time to let itself play out. At first I didn't understand why they had the doctor character. I kind of do now, especially when you guys were talking through the Nazi and Jewish talk and all that stuff like that, which we'll get into more later.

But, man, I got, guys, I'm giving this one a nine. I mean, the biggest fight that we're going to see in the next couple of weeks is going to be Adonis Creed versus, uh, I must break you. And we're definitely taking that out. That's going to be, that's going to be a big fight. When everybody hits, he destroys. Absolutely. But you know what?

That's going to, that's going to be like a little fucking side show compared to the battle that's going on in my brain right now. In the red corner, we have Hereditary, which we all know. It's a masterpiece that came out this year. Oh, but look on the come-up in the blue corner! Can it be Susperia remake? A remake of a horror movie. Could it be? Yeah, dude, I fucking love this movie.

The dancing, the way it was filmed, there wasn't a bad actor in the entire movie. every fucking person knew their part. I'm not sure what this director does to get people to do and put out the emotions that they put out. But everything

I've seen him do, I feel. There's one other movie that he's done with Tilda Swinton, like an early one that I haven't seen. You bet your ass I'm going to go see this. I'm definitely taking AJ to see this movie this week. I'm going to watch it at least once or twice more in the theater. My opinion, this may be this year's

masterpiece. Wow. That's it. No. No, and I don't think I want to let her see the original. Hey, Thomas, I have a question for you. Yes. Knowing my sensibilities, as well as you probably do now, but my taste of movies, would you think this would be something I'd be into?

Um, I would probably guess you'd come more toy around like where I'm at at it. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned

but anyway so let's go into spoilers spoilers finally so much so much time all right spoilers here we go okay so I'm just gonna say is she fucking mother Susperium wow smart man look at the big brain on Brad I got her from the fucking trailer

dude right where she looks almost possessed in the trailer underneath the stairs or whatever was that Mother Sysperium? I think Dakota Johnson's Mother Sysperium Right?

The whole time Dakota Johnson was And nobody knew it And they did the old look this way While we do this And we're implanting our dreams in her And we're controlling her But she was actually controlling everything From the beginning

Oh, okay The thing is dude With modern horror movies Dude you gotta always expect a twist What I do What I really like about that is as we mentioned, it sort of plays on that power dynamic we saw throughout the whole movie where you're just like, oh, she's just, you initially think, oh, she's just a young girl

from Ohio, she's coming in, she completely draws down their defenses. And then as things go along, you start to say like, oh, she's very forceful, she's very powerful, I wonder what this could mean for us. And then when she pops in and literally starts popping heads, this is going to sound like a weird comparison. So we mentioned this briefly earlier. she almost feels kind of like a horror version

of a Mary Poppins. She's coming in to ship these girls into shape and she's kind of get rid of the old guard and she's going to like just take over everything so succinctly in a sort of maternal way. I kind of love how that was came about. I mean, I really love

that. I agree that I think this along with Bad Times, the El Royale, really shows how great an actress to go to Johnson is and how nuanced can really be and how much those 50 Shades movies did not give her the right time of day. Yes. I'm with you, man, so wait, so what was

the monster that came out and started popping heads then? I interpreted that as like it's some sort of form of death because it literally gives the mothers, the Helena Marcus, like the kiss of death as it comes. It's like this sort of spectre of death that is summoned by

Dakota Johnson's character, which we really got to talk about, that whole climax is beautifully gory. No kidding, dude. That scene was awesome. I was like, where did this shit come from? And where has it been in the whole movie? That's like those slow burn movies from the 70s that have like literally an hour and 50 minutes of walking around and talking and developing. And then 10 minutes that are just bat shit insane at the end, you know?

Or like the House of the Dead? Definitely goes Bat shit insane. Or not the House of the Dead. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, meepig-k-g-g-k-k-k-k-k-k-k. What was that, what was that movie called? The one that, uh... Oh, fuck, guys, help me out here. Somebody bail me out.

Brian, I know you saw it. Well, those are... None of the hints you've given have been... I know. These are very unspecific hints. What's it called? Oh, fuck. Help me out. Not house of the dead.

I don't know, man. Fuck. All right. It was a blood rain. Still back goli, yes? Yeah, that's still Magdalias. Yes, still macgolias. No, it was a super slow.

The House of the Devil. Wow, that was a good. Yeah, House of the Devil came out, what, about six or seven, six or seven years ago, and it was just like... Yeah, it was long. Okay. But I love that one, and, like, it really was a throwback to the 70s movies

where you didn't see anything at all action-wise until the very end, and then it went absolutely insane. The last exorcism was like, that. Yeah, he followed up House of the Deviled Inkeepers, which is right around the same. Oh, yeah, same deal, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's

that Mubblecore, or whatever they call it, genre of horror. I got to tell you guys, just listen to you guys talk, I'm totally stoked to see this remake. I hope you love it as much as I did, man. Well, no, I mean, I want to talk some more about, like, there's that whole

horror sequence that goes on there, but also we should mention the mirror sequence just to go further into it. That is such a brutal example because it's all about like they are using Dakota Johnson as a puppet to basically mutilate this woman who's inside of the glass room and it's

so fucking brutal and horrifying and disturbing. But it still feeds into a lot of the thematics that are going on. That's what I love about the horror sequences in this movie is that they definitely are firmly planted in the sort of

the thematics that are going on with these characters. It is still very much based on the relationship of these dancers and their teacher and the back and forth. But at the same time, it also just like the brutality that is displayed with just like working these girls to the point of just breaking. They do such a great job of doing that with like there are other weirder horror bits too, just like set dressing and even just what they do to Clow Moretz. Like just how she gets horribly sort of.

you know, like decayed and destroyed throughout the moon. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that. She's been soaking in the ocean for a couple of months. Yeah, exactly. That whole scene was pretty fucking crazy. Another quick question about the main climax horror scene, though. Okay, so Mother Marcos, who also played by Tilda Swinton. Mm-hmm.

Um, she is, was she pretending to be Mother Superior? She was making them think she was. She was making them think that she was, and that's why she killed her. Yeah, she wanted to take the, or transfer her soul over into the sexy young body of our, our protagonist. Yeah, because the one she had was pretty fucking grotesque. Right. She was ready to move. It was time to move on. There was all kinds of things hanging off of her that shouldn't have been there. Imagine basically if Butterball from Hellraiser

had a horrible child. That's a good one. A horrible mutant child. Sign me up. Her teeth wouldn't have been dripping. Did you notice that? And that tiny little hand up there on her arms? Should I didn't notice that detail until like near the end of her bits in the movie.

I'm like, oh my God. It's so great. Look at my tithes. Everybody was naked in this movie. Oh, and that, yeah, it worked well, though. It didn't feel gratuitous at all. No, it didn't. And when they were fucking with the cops.

How fucking evil was that? When they, the cops came in and said, well, we've been told that there may have been something weird going on here. We got to check it out. Oh, that's who they were messing with. And she goes, oh, I am. I'm Blanc. Come over, boys. Have some tea.

Ask me anything you want. And then the next thing you know, our hero, she's looking through the books there. and she's smiling because she knows what's going on and they're fucking fucking with him and pulling his penis out and flopping it around laughing Like I said, Me Too movement in reverse, right? Well, that's what, no, I will actually firmly disagree

with that point just in terms of it's, it's firmly me too. It's just that. Okay, fair enough. It's not in reverse at all. It's just the Me Too movement from the perspective of these women who are clearly like, it's what I was talking about with like the political context of it. They mentioned like there's this whole incident that is in the background about like the hijacking that's going on of the plane, which was a real event that happened.

Right. I haven't done a lot of research about it, but I know that I looked at that is a real thing that happened. And the whole thing about like the political prisoners who supposedly committed suicide, but some think that it was actually, you know, an assassination attempt, that, you know, assassination of those prisoners. And I think that's a big part of like what this is supposed to represent with like these witches. who want to create a utopia inside of their ballet school. They want to hide these girls from the outside world. It's full of like, you know, people bombing places and all this other stuff. But in the process, they make their own fascist kind of society within there

that, like, constantly uses and abuses these girls and uses them as, you know, vessels or trophies or any number of other things. And even does the same to, like, these men who come in, who they perceive to be complete villains, when really they have been victims of other people. I think that's what's so genius about, like, the political context of the movie is that it's talking about, like, that era of the 70s in Berlin, but it's also, quite frankly, very relevant now, just in terms of, like, people who abuse power, no matter what gender, it's a thing that happens. And also, kind of weird that this is coming out posts a lot of things about a certain other Argento and her actions. Oh, true. True enough. True enough. Oh, good point. Yeah, allegedly, she raped like a 16-year-old.

guy or something like that? Yeah, I heard about that. Yes. Although if I were 16 and A.G.R. G. Gentle was coming on to me. Listen. It wouldn't be right. Let's not do that. Let's not do that. Without getting into political correctness. Men and women are different. Sorry. Okay. Fair enough. All right. Are you guys ready to wrap it up? Anything else to talk about?

Well, we haven't talked much about the old man and why you personally feel like you were invested in all of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kept wondering why they were showing that story. they were showing that and then the Royal Air Force guys that got hijacked or whatever. Right. Like I get that they were showing that stuff and it was kind of background. But I was like, man, every time they went back to him

or that story, I was like, why are they doing this? I really feel in love with his character when they put in his mind that he was finding his wife that he lost in the Holocaust. At the very end? Yeah. And when he thought he was

following her around and she came out of the building. And I thought she looks awfully young, she kind of looks a lot younger than he is, is this really happening? But then I was like, okay, cool, just go with it, because he's walking with her. And then she allegedly leads him right in front of to where the

the Witches Coven is. Right. And they just totally mind-fucked him. Well, and you recognize who that actress was. No, I didn't. It's Jessica Harper. The lead from the original movie. Are you fucking serious? Oh, I thought that too that was, yeah. No shit.

Yeah, that's her cameo in the movie. that character. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Well done. Well done. See, you added yet another layer to this movie that I didn't know was there. Yeah, I had no idea

that was her, Thomas. Did you recognize her? I mean, yeah, I thought I recognized her myself. The big saucer eyes were a dead giveaway. Like, there was a lot of them. Thomas and I watched another movie as she took over for Jenin.

shock treatment. That's right, yeah, the sequel to Rocky Hort Picture Show, and she was also a fan of The Paradise. Oh, yeah. Was she dubbed in those movies, too, or, I mean, is she an English movie? She wasn't dubbed in the original Susperia, though. She's the one who isn't dubbed.

Okay. See, I... Maybe I deserve to give the original another one. Oh, definitely. I'm ready to watch it now. All the interactions that they had were very theatrical and, like, almost bad. Well, it was 1977.

too. Yeah, well, I know, but it's like, well, I'm gonna say my line. Well, here's my line too, you know? But are we recording? Yeah, yes. Okay, sorry. But no, yeah, I mean, I what I like about that

interaction is, like I said, I think it does really at least give him something to, you know, really attach us to him, and like it also shows up, like I said, the sort of lingering threads of World War II that have been destroyed and are like, trying to kind of like come back to life with this character.

I still just never felt quite that emotionally invested at the same time with him throughout most of the movie. It's a lot of him in his in his freaking little house making tea, doing all those other stuff. I think it's a really great physical performance from Tiltos wouldn't really get the frailty of that character. But, and I get what he represents with, like I said, how he sort of is like taken hostage by this group of witches. but at the same time,

I still never felt quite as invested. I'm curious to hear why you were as invested, Lance, as you were in it. I just, in my opinion, I really, like I said, I really fell in love with that character when they started mind-fucking him, and he thought he was seeing his wife. And that's, like, just fucking cruel, man. You know, like, he's following her around.

Of course he's going to follow her anywhere. He's still in love with her. Yeah, I just, I don't know what that had to do with any of the rest of the story. Maybe on third viewing, it'll make sense. I'm ready to re-watch it, man. Wow.

Well, no, like I said, what I think that's supposed to represent is the fact that, like, this character, who, as I mentioned, like, that and the flight stuff is supposed to be in the setting of Berlin, they're still had the lingering threads of World War II.

Yes. Just, like, still around. They even mentioned at one point that, like, their current, I think, like, Master of Press or whatever they said, is a former Nazi who is, like, risen up the ranks again to like pretty much display all the stuff that's going on and also the bombings that are going on. He's supposed to be like an innocent who they take as an example.

He's this like innocent man who was also screwed over by this environment, by World War II, by everything that happened. And they want to make him the example to judge all, you know, of the outside world on when really he's just as much of a victim, even more so than some of them in there. And the fact that Dakota Johnson sees this and how much regret that she has, like the whole epilogue scene I also really loved. Yeah. I thought that was a beautiful example of like how when she's taking this over, she has so much mercy.

She has so much maternal empathy that's going on with her as a character. And she just really apologizes, like, but tells him the straight up truth. I think that's what's also interesting. It's like, she fully tells him like, look, this is what happened. And I'm sorry this happened, but you deserve to know the truth. And it's brutal. It's this great way of like where Dakota Johnson is playing a character who's very sort of like in the middle of that teeter-totter of like the morality that's going on. I really was sold by like that ending especially really did affect me.

She's a good witch. There's the good witch. There's a lot here. Well, are you a good witch? Are you a bad witch? It's more of like, are you a morally complex witch? Right. The message of the movie.

All right. And then the very last scene, man, they just fucking like zoom out on that heart. It was crazy. Right. I don't know what that was about. So Adam and Thomas, thanks for joining us. where can we find you again? Well, we are on double-edged double-bill, which like I said, is on iTunes on most podcast platforms.

We're working on other places to try and put it out there into the ether. We also have a YouTube channel where we post all of our stuff for that. All the podcast episodes are available there. We are at DEDB Pod on Facebook and also Twitter. And every Monday we ask you guys questions about, like, hey, what's your favorite and least favorite blank related to an upcoming topic? and also I'm at Natha Who's Tommy on Twitter and I write reviews at

Marianithomas.orgess.com By the time you guys are probably listening to this, there is most likely it's a spirier review out there where I go into a bit more depth but not spoilers on the film. And Adam is a

I believe some sort of witch in the bottom of a basement. Yeah, no. I'm on Facebook and that's about it. I don't get involved at all here. So right, a witch at the bottom of a basement. I understand.

All right, guys. Thanks for joining us. And, yeah, I'd love to come back on the show sometime if you guys ever have an open. Oh, yes, definitely. Yes. And as for all the rest of you, bastards, thank you for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You know where to reach us next week.

It's World War II. More Nazis. More Nazis. As we check out the brand new film, Overlord, as well as the Spielberg classic Raiders of the Lost Ark. Nazi zombies. And we're going to be joined by... Oh, it's... Yeah, it's Fan Takeover Week again.

We are going to be joined by our good buddy, Eric Bailanak. So, until the horror returns again, Brian. Good night. Or how do they say... internment something nach. Good night.