The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #130: International Horror: New Zealand - Dead Alive (1992), What We Do In The Shadows (2014) & Deathgasm (2015) (Reupload)

Episode Date: August 30, 2025

A nugget from the vault, featuring our friend Daeron from the Psychosemantic podcast, and the great Heather Buckley, punk filmmaker extraordinaire. The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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All right, welcome back, everybody, to the show that never ends. It is the horror returns. And tonight we've got a really special show. We're doing the horror movies of New Zealand. And I'm Lance. With me as always is, at least my co-host, Brian, is here. Philip couldn't make it tonight, but that's cool. He'll be back.

Joining us tonight, we get two very special guests. First from the Psycho-Semitic podcast, longtime friend of the show, Darren Wilson. Darren, what's going on with you, man? Are you still finding plenty to talk about when it comes to politics, movies, political movies? I could do a show

every day, and I still wouldn't cover everything that's going on. It's kind of a little bit like the off-season right now. You know, the midterms are over, but there's going to be a new speaker of the house. There's a couple weeks left of the old Congress to

get through. I think the thing they found most important was removing protections for endangered wolves. You know, So yeah. Okay. There's always something. Always something.

Well, man, we're glad you finally joined us, dude. We've been, you know, I've reached out to each other several times. I've been on your show once, so super happy to have you, man. Now, thank you for finally finding a spot for me over here. All right, and tonight we're also joined by film producer and writer Heather Buckley. Heather's worked with friend of the show Michael Felscher at Red Shirt Pictures. I know you've worked with Larry Fessenden at Glass Eye Picks. A couple of things to talk about.

I guess first of all, in general, what's up with you? What's your biggest stuff you got going on right now? Going on right now, released out into the world are the Candyman discs. I was originally asked by Redshirt to develop and put that together for Arrow, which has the Clive Barker interview on it. And then in America, a lot of those pieces went over to the Shout Factory disc, which

some new awesome commentary by Joe Lynch and some other folks added some great things to the discs. I love when that happened because I have a limited time and budget to get stuff done. It's the same with the Raw Head Rex disc, because that's why I can bring it so far.

And then when I see other people have done other cool things on the disc and added to it, I always get very excited because I always feel my job is archiving these films and trying to find as much stuff as possible and getting into like the VFX and FX and

getting all the images and finding the full stories or anyone who wants to help out on that to sort of like enhance the desk because I'm always very happy. Awesome. Well Brian, you're our physical media guy. Is Candyman on your must have list? Just got it in the mail the other day.

Okay. Should have figured. So Heather, you've worked with Henry Daro McCamas on what, a documentary about a certain, uh, a break-in movie for kids or, I met him, I met him at Chattanooga Film Fest.

I loved his movie Wolfman has Nards. He produced it and helped it together. And I hired him and his, and his crew to shoot all the stuff for Candyman. Oh, that is. That is, that is a connection there because his, the work is beautiful, the way that was shot, all the sort of set up

Candyman is his favorite horror film and I was just beginning the film festival run for the movie The Ranger that I helped produced on the on the glass eye side and that's where I saw him and Chattanooga Film Fest is an awesome awesome film fest my friend Chris and Scott's film fest

and there he was and I said I stalked him and he was like what did you do you work with Redshirt right and so he was he was excited by that so hopefully I work I work more with him he does beautiful beautiful work in his editing job is very interesting. Working with different editors doing all these discs, you can really figure out

that each editor has their signature style when it comes to documentary work. It's very interesting. Now the Ranger has a Blu-ray release, correct? The Ranger is out in Redbox at the moment, so please go get it, and then take pictures of you getting it on all the

social media to support little independent films. And then it's going to have another release in in 2019. It's going to have multiple forms of releases, which are very, very exciting.

I've hinted at some of them in the past, like what different forms it will take, much like Zool, it will take many forms. And, you know, so, of course, if you make a punk rock movie, you have to have a soundtrack. If you make a retro punk rock movie, that just tips your hand to other releases

that might be possible for this film. So is there possibly going to be audio cassette copy of the soundtrack available? I mean, these are all dreams that we've put on paper. We've put our cassette dreams. We've put our VHS dreams.

I don't think I'm able to get you guys a laser disc of it, but that would be an early 90s dream. Nice. I've been excited about that movie since it got on my radar. So, yeah. Well, punk rock and horror is our

are very important combinations. I feel a lot of times, though I enjoy metalheads and metal heads have always been in my life. I feel that they sort of roll a roost when it comes to genre and horror, specifically when you also go to conventions. A lot of medals, lots of goths,

or are the angry political people who also like Night of the Creeps? I mean, I would always, and I would think that in my world of hanging out at CBGVs, all punk rockers like horror movies, and they specifically, of course, like myself, identify with every villain in horror movies.

When I read The Ranger, I just, I read the final girl, and the final role is, of course, like my friend Jen and the Ranger himself, it's like, this has to be real. He's a great villain. I want to play him, so I will always, does this film need to exist? It's like, is there a cool villain that needs to exist? And I will help bring them into the world. Darren, what's your other night job, man?

Oh, the one that I, the other one where I make no money? Yeah, exactly. Oh, you're talking about playing drums? Yeah, man. Fill us in. Got to play CBGBs before they closed. With what band? Two bands.

One of them was called All or Nothing. They're from California. We were on tour with them. And my other band, Down Trotten, wasn't on the bill, but their drummer quit. And I said, if you somehow managed to get us all on the bill, I'll learn all your songs and play the rest of the tour. And we did. That was my first show with them. And it went well.

That is so cool. I always felt being in the New Jersey area and then I would drive into a New York City, I'd go to like tramps and Coney Allen High and the Continental. That every time I was at CVGVs, I was always very respectful. It's like, God, all the punks in the world wish they were here seeing these shows play at a very sacred, important space. It was so rad. It was a great time.

I think I still have my band pass bracelet and the chunk of the floor that I picked up. That is so great. Yeah, I don't like to When I'm in the city I never Since it died I passed it once But I don't like to look at it

Oh yeah I don't I don't think I could It's very sad That no one could save it I was also fascinated That a lot of folks Who that sort of was the beginning Of their career

Is that no one No one could save the establishment If I had all the Dollars in the world I would have ran there and got it Yeah You know Jaya Ramone's good with his money He probably had enough

I always felt there was There was some sort of way of doing it But why those things are important And much like sort of like the You know supporting the independent film stuff Is that you need a particular kind of venue That very key part of Local punk scenes are to have mid-sized venues

And the idea that they just started Dropping off one by one Starting with tramps Definitely affects the scene Yeah The one here is now a target Oh man see You need that

side. You use that size. Like the smallest it could be is kind of like a hallway, like the continental, but then you just little rectangles of space. Yeah. For the bands to play. There's still some. There's

some. There's Gramercy, the Ballery Electric, Irving Plaza is still around. I can't believe Roseland was demolished. Like, how do these things happen? I saw Sisters of Mercy in a cave there at a bunch of other shows. But it's just, it's heartbreaking

Because it's also a beautiful structure All right, fuckenay, well we start We always start out with Cool of the Week So we definitely ask our guests to go first Darren, besides these three movies, man What's the coolest thing you've seen this week? Say, I'm finishing up season one of Room 104 Is that the HBO show?

Yes, the DuPoss brothers Right I'm still very excited about it. Some of it's horror, some of it's not, but I definitely recommend checking it out. And this, that weird sort of, well, definitely, mockumentary of the Confederate States of America. Have you ever seen that?

I've heard about it. I'll bet Brian's seen it. I haven't seen it. It's Spike Lee affiliated. It's a 1990s, so, you know, so to speak. with commercials and everything, documentary about the history of the Civil War after, you know, Lincoln ran off to Canada and the Confederates took over. It was pretty interesting. Sounds pretty fucked up.

Yeah, it's really fucked up. And all the racist, horrible items that are advertised in the commercials are things that people actually used to be able to buy. Wow. Kind of like, what's the Hulu show where the Nazis won the war? Oh, man in the high castle Ah, okay Kind of like that, but an American version, huh? A little bit.

Well, that's also America. We can get into a man in the high castle And Philip K. Dick and all that stuff. Well, as much as you want, this is your show. Sorry. No, this is a show, man. You're our guest. Yeah.

Man in the High Castle is a really cool book. I'm glad that they sort of went the TV series route and they modernized it instead of there being a book that exists with the alternate reality of America and the Allies winning World War II in that world. It's a film. Okay, cool. I always wanted to check it out. I never have, though. They started season three. You better get cracking. Better get going, huh? Yep. Heather, what's your cool of the week?

Hello, my cool of the week is, hold on. There are technical difficulties here. Technical difficulties, please. Yes, with Skype, because I'm doing it on my phone to see if I would get better sound. Hold on a second. All right. You sound great, by the way, so everything is coming through. Except for the other people, pause.

All right. All right, there you go. So my cool of the week. Well, I wanted to mention because you're saying that, you know, You know, you don't want to talk about things that you've watched 100 times before. I feel that what keeps me away of seeing more awesome things would be is that I have to watch Chainsaw 3 again. And it's like, but you could watch all these movies that you have links for

and go out into the world or watch the same. I was like, oh, Goolies is on, on commercials on USA. Why don't you watch that? So it's always where those poor life decisions. If I project 40 week, I'm actually going to talk about a report, which I'm going to see on Wednesday. I'm going to see the House of Jackson. built.

Nice. I saw it in Seaches, and I became obsessed with it, and I love it, and I'm going to see it on Wednesday. And the saddest thing in the world is that I have an old movie. I finally had a chance for watching. I want everyone to

brace themselves, is that I finally saw the movie The Searchers. Yeah? I had it in my collection for a very long time, a very, very huge Scorsesey fan, and it's like, what is the right time to watch when no one's going to bother me? And it's like, I'm going to watch it like the day after Thanksgiving and just sort of get a feeling of why Marty and Paul

Strader are obsessed with this one. Oh, badass. So those are those are two. So Wednesday, House of Jack Belt, and then finally watch the Searchers after all these years. I've had the DVD for over like five years. I must have. Yeah.

I don't know about the House of the Jackbilt. I'm not a Lars Van Trier fan at all. He makes mean movies. I don't know if anyone can use the worst fan and laws want to treat or just do people like a Michael Anarchy film like who likes white ribbon? No one can say that white ribbon. You don't

say that. Right. Yeah, definitely doesn't make the feel good movies of the year. That's for damn sure. I've seen a bunch of feel bad movies of the year at Film Fest. I always put them apart something called like films that hate you. Films with the audacity to entertain. Right.

So that's, that's, that film that's not your friend and you shouldn't hang out with and it doesn't play nice. All right, Brian, cool of the week. I got three, and they're all Netflix movies, so I'll go through them real quick. First one, I saw Cam, a new Blumhouse movie on Netflix. I did too. I liked it up until the end. I hated how it ended.

I don't really know if I could recommend it that the end just really just took it out for me. How would have you ended it? Because I did see it during a film fest run. I don't know. It's just it's fairly new, so I'm not trying to spoil it. It's just, I don't like her decision at the very end

to continue doing the same thing. It just, I don't know. Well, the author spoke about it, who wrote the script and it's based on her life. Okay. In a happy movie, if someone's tried to

take away something that you love, the normalcy would be returning back the thing that you love. And that is sort of the cyclical quality of the movie. Because like if the ghost steal your house, the whole idea is to get your house back. So it's just sort of

back and forth quality. So that was her point of view on and if it helps you digest the ending at all. Because you know that a woman who is a cam girl help wrote it and it's sort of based on her I guess, I wouldn't say experience but just based on her job.

Okay. Okay. All right. That puts it in a different perspective. Appreciate that. Here to help. And the last two, I'm going to mention real quick. I do recommend.

The first one is the blacksmith and the devil. Oh, okay. Really enjoyed this one. I'm not really big. I thought it was going to be subtitled, but it's actually dubbed. So that kind of, because usually I have to watch. watch subtitle movies twice to really get the full story. But this is actually a retelling of an old story.

And what I really liked about this movie, it was, it gave me a very 80s fantasy kind of feel. It kind of reminded me of movies like legend and stuff like that. Really? If anybody's seen the Tom Cruise movie legend. I have. I saw it posted this film, but I didn't delve too deep into it, but now I'm really excited.

I really enjoyed it And the second one I Watch was an Indonesian film Called May the Devil Take You This I was a group I added that to my cue I really enjoyed this You really get a Sam Ramey

Like evil dead feel to it And yeah Lance check it out Yep And yeah that's pretty much why I checked out this week I believe we're reviewing Chilling Adventures of Sabrina here soon Lance?

Yeah, yeah. We got a new show coming out. I don't want to announce it yet, but we have a new member of the horror returns family, and she's going to be doing her own podcast. I don't know if it's going to be every two weeks or once a month or every week. We don't know yet, but Melissa from Two Dead Chicks. So if you've ever listened to The Two Dead Chicks podcast, you will know her. She's going to be joining the team.

So really looking forward to that. I think that's the first thing we're going to talk about. All right, cool. We have finished that up, so I guess I'll wait to talk about that. So pass it off to you, Lance. And my cool of the week is Netflix in general lately. From the fucking Haunting of Hill House to the chilling adventures of Sabrina. That fucking fourth episode of...

I was a little worried about Daredevil Season 3 until the fourth episode where he had to fight his way out of a prison, when a riot was going on. Cam, I actually really fucking enjoyed Cam, and it's not horror, but it's very horrific if you're a guy, but a movie called

The Package, a Netflix original comedy. Have you guys heard of it? It sounds familiar. Is it the documentary made by the guy with a tiny dick? You're close, dude. It's a comedy about a guy

that, well, five friends go out camping in the woods and one of the guys cuts his dick off. Oh, okay. They've got 12 hours. They have to put it on ice and they've got 12 hours to get it and him to a hospital. Fucking hilarious. Does it have like the 24 clock at the bottom?

No, but they shouldn't. So yeah, man, Netflix lately is a goddamn good investment these days. Kind of like shutter. So that's that's the cool of the week. Brian, we got any horror headlines, man? Puka, and it will be their Christmas episode, and this will be directed by, I really hope I don't butcher this name, which I do every week.

Nacho Villagant, Villagalando. Oh, Nacho Vigalando? Thank you. Said it so much better than that. You know his work? I recently saw Time Crimes last year, and he did another movie. Okay. Colossal.

Yeah. That's him, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. How many nachos are there out there, right, Heather? That is true. No, he's always super cool, and I loved his work.

I really loved the structure of colossal, how it all came together. I'm glad you did. Someone has to be the love out there. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people loved it. We were actually going to review it for the show, but it was like the week we were going to do it. We found out it was in limited release. And we all, I know we all went and checked it out later.

I wasn't super, super excited by it. But time crimes was really good. I watched that one for another podcast where we did time travel shit. And I really enjoyed that one. Yep. This installment of Into the Dark will be on Hulu, December 7th. So check that out. And our last little bit of news, Lance, you remember we reviewed 1981,

classic Madman. Of course. The original film's producer, Gary Sales, is hoping to get a remake off the ground. Hmm. Well, the Maniac remake was pretty good. I was a fan of it. Even though, you know, we're all apprehensive because we have a great love in our heart for Bill Lustig and Joe Spinell. I think they were able to move it further away from the material to not sort of be that 40,

Second Street kind of grindhouse material is something that was very interesting. And its score is great. Are either one of you familiar with the film Madman? Madman Mars? Yes. I'm also familiar with I-Madman. How do you feel about a remake?

I always like to, here you go. When people are very upset about remakes, I always feel it's like, well, I love, to me, the most sacred is Texas Chainsonmasker, which has been remade, and I'm not a huge fan of the remake. But if you tell me that great artists, but great vision are going into my leather face character

and my Sawyer family and creating something interesting, I would like to see what it is. Yeah, that's good idea. So I don't mind it. I like to see, I mean, because I feel comics are less sacred when it comes to something like that, because when Batman gets a new storyline or there's all these different universes,

I don't know if people are much up in arms. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. when you're creating different versions. So I don't mind it. I think it's hard to do slasher's in the contemporary world without looking in sort of a meditation on it. I mean, the Ranger attempts to re-contextualize it,

but it would be interesting to bring that back because there's people who like sort of like the old body count films in contemporary society, and then people who are looking at it's like, what is the new definition of the body count film and the final girl? so it's an interesting time to put those movies out and reintroduce them. Plus it introduces the old ones.

That's how you get like Blu-ray 4K special editions of things. That you never thought that you ever would. Because remember, I think that triggered the last house on the left remake. There was just, it's like, oh, we're putting out this fancy Blu-ray of last house on the left. It's like, well, thank you, world, that it triggered that because we need that. Because sometimes I watch movies, like I was buying a movie and it's like, there's no Blu-ray out on this. universe please because i i have like an o l-l-ed uh screen and i have like a 4k player and you can't get like that high definition unless it's on a it's on a disc yes for sure i need to see every like

orc like stitch so well yeah there there is not a lot of news lance so that's all i can get uh holiday week so yeah that's cool man and we were uh speaking Hey, speaking of the getting a Blu-ray, we were, when we did Maximum Overdrive a couple years ago, we were like, why the fuck doesn't anybody come out with that? And now there is a really, a really

damn good Blu-ray for Maximum Overdrive, right? Yeah, Mike, Mike worked on that. I don't have it yet, but I love that movie. I think that movie's overlooked, but I think it has so much fun, and it's such a spirit of king. Oh, I fucking love it. Right? And always

with the goblin, you spend your whole life looking for that goblin truck in the truck lanes. Yeah. I do. Where is it on the turtipike? Right. You're, uh, you, you, you, you guys know about the guy that, like, uh, rebuilt it and everything, right? And takes it around to conventions and stuff like that.

Yes. That's fucking awesome. All right. Well, if, uh, if we, if we're done with horror headlines, then we're going to take a little trip. Uh, I don't know. Uh, they got trailer, they got trailer parks up there and, uh, up there on the East Coast and in Ohio. I don't know if they do.

I know they do down here in Texas. I was told by Joe Bob, the reason I can love chainsaw so much, and I was working on a Part 2 doc for it is because we have much trailer parks, rednecks, and backwoods. I don't think we have any moonshine running in Jersey, but let me tell you, those things are success. Long as you got crystal meth, we're good. First one we're going to talk about is the intruder,

starring Dennis Quaid, Megan Good, and Michael Ile. This is directed by Dionne Taylor. What did you guys think of The Intruder? I like the idea of Dennis Quaid playing a bad guy. Ever since I was a wee lad and I saw him in Inner Space, I think I've watched everything that I've seen him in, or that I've heard that he's in.

I've obviously seen everything that I've seen him in. Well, of course, Inner Space, A classic. Awesome movie. I've got a soft spot for home invasion movies, I guess, because they can still scare me. So I'm interested. I like that it sort of reminded me of a suburban version of Pacific Heights. Oh, thank you.

Okay. That's the Michael Keaton movie. That's the name I was trying to think of. Okay. Yes. So I'm glad that we were on the same wavelength of that. It looked pretty intense. I was wondering what the twist was going to be.

I will see if I have ever time to leave the house to see it. But what got me is I don't mean to be one of these people, but it did say PG-13. It's like, look at this intense trailer, PG-13. Oh, yeah. True. That's a constant subject of the podcast, so. You know, our fine PG-13 movies. It's like, I just, it's like, God, you seem so tough.

on the outside. Yes. Would it all just be suddenly realizing that in focus, Dennis Quaid is somewhere in the corner of the room. Or will there be more to it?

What did you think, Lance? I was underwhelmed with a trailer. I don't know, man. I've seen this. It felt like something I've seen a hundred times, but, you know, whatever, teach their own.

I love Mike Lili, so it, you know, who knows? I hate, I don't know. not a fan of his. You know, I look at the TV show he was on for a little bit there with fucking Carl Urban. Was it? Almost human?

Yeah, I remember that. He was pretty good at that. But I don't know. I'm not like going to run out to see this one. Actually, I think we were watching Widows, the wife and I, and they showed this as one of the trailers before that. So I'd seen it. I hear Widows is great.

Yeah. It's really dense, though. There's so much. shit going on. I mean, it's, it's a lot to absorb in one sitting, I would say. But this coming from the guy whose movie of the year was mother. Yeah, that was last year. I love that movie and I maybe reference it every day when speaking about dealing with me. Yeah, another mother fan. I love mother and I tell people about the house at Jackbilt that, that is the horror version of mother. So if mother is about being a filmmaker

or an artist and sort of like the the selfish lot. Then the house at Jackbilt is like, what if you made a house out of like murder and death or filmmaker? I'm fucking in, man. That's really what's about. All right.

Is that on demand now or I can do it like 19? It is playing one day, the 20, I believe it's the 28th. So I had, I had tickets. Playing one day, 28th theatrically in limited cities, unrated. And then I think IFC has distribution up and it's going to go out a rated R with a snip to one of the scenes.

Well, I'll definitely, I'll definitely check it out. You sold me on it. And I was very moved from that aspect of it as someone who's work with, like, dark artwork and made horror movies and evangelized them since I was young. It's like, oh, this is like about being a horror artist. Sure. All right. The intruder, if anybody's looking to check this out, they'll have to wait.

April 26 next year. And our final trailer we're going to talk about is the cabin, also known as a night in the cabin. And this is starring Christopher. Okay. Christopher Lee Page, Caitlin Cromit, and this is directed by

Johann Baudell. Okay. What did you guys think? Hey, any indie indie horror movie, I'm going to check it out for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'll check it out. It's just like, you know, it's Look pretty cool.

Who knows how the turns are going to go. If I'll check out a home invasion movie Just because Dennis Quate's in it, you know I'm going to watch this. I think it looked. I think it looked just fine. I looked just fine. So it made me think of, but when I originally clicked on it,

it's like, did they remake the intruder, the Sam Ramey film? That's where my head's acting. guys is in like early 90s, late 80s, gore zone. Could very well be. You know, they just renamed it, right? It's possible. Yeah.

The cabin, uh, we don't have to wait too long for this one, uh, December 4th. All right. I'm gonna check it out. All right. That's our final trailer. All right. Well, since, uh, Phil's not here this week, we're gonna, we're gonna skip, uh, listener feedback this week.

But it will, we, uh, obviously, will be back and we're going to move on to the featured attractions. So we're taking a trip to New Zealand this week for the horror movies of New Zealand. I think it could be wrong, but I think there's going to be a lot of positive reaction to most of the New Zealand stuff. They seem to make good shit. So we're going to cover what we do in the shadows, death-gasm, and I guess it's a horror classic Dead Alive, which I can't believe I've never seen before,

but I definitely will be seeing it again. So we'll start with what we do in the shadows. Directors and writers were Jemaine Clement and Taika Waititi, who of course we all know is also known for Thor Ragnarok and Hunt for the Wilder People. about 125 hours of footage was shot, most of which was improvisation from the cast. The process of editing that down to a 90-minute movie took almost a year. And just in case you didn't know, Tycho Waititi based his performance on his mother.

Jemaine Clement based his on Gary Oldman from Bram Stoker's Dracula. So what we'll do is kind of round robin, go around the table a little bit, just kind of talk about our thoughts of it. And then we'll move on to scores between 1 and 10, how we thought the movie was. Heather, you want to go first? Yes. Why I saw what we do in the shadows at South by Southwest when it was on its Film Fest run,

and I saw it at 11 a.m. in the morning. And everyone who was a packed house who was sold out, and everyone was laughing hysterically to a horror. comedy at 11 a.m. in the morning. So that tells me the love and I have posted like when I watch it sometimes on social media, there will be hundreds of likes.

Because this movie is incomprehensible how brilliant it is because we all watched a lot of stuff. We've all you know, we all love Sean of the Dead and Young Frankenstein. And vampires sometimes could get so tired or bloodless

if I may. What we do in the shadows, it's brilliant. It has all the different characters are all our friends, which is true like the regular vampire and the glittery vampire and the nospherat too. They have all different kinds and just all the jokes.

I was just shocked. It's like, this is so very new and inventive and so funny. It has no business being this inventive and funny. Werewolves, not swear wolves. I know. It's so brilliant.

Maybe maybe through talking about it we get to the bottom of why it's just so brilliant and no i mean in my opinion darren what'd you think man oh yeah uh i did not see it at south by southwest but i did see it sort of early in the morning um the the first time of the this was available to me usually we have a don't go shopping horror movie black friday potluck thing at my house right And so it was whatever year that it came out. So it was one of the first movies. None of us had seen it.

And yeah, it had the room cracked up. And I went and bought it immediately. And I can't really add a whole lot to it. It is just one of those, you know, just, yeah, everybody's got their favorite quotes. And everybody's got their favorite vampire. And there's just, I don't know. I mean, I'm a fan of flag. of the flight of the concords and germane especially if i had to pick my favorite uh he would be that

and yeah that's i guess what the basement vampire based his performance on max shrek or the very least willem defoe right um yeah and you know um hmm i hate i hate making you have to cut stuff out with my hemming and hauling. But yeah, I just, I love everything. I like their sense of humor. There's something about their sense of humor. And I know it's not just the flight of the concord's guys that worked on this. But it's, yeah.

And a little political shout out to Jermaine. He went on TV to invite the prime minister of New Zealand, Jacinda Ardern, to invite him to her house for dinner. If it was quite possible. It was just kind of cute and kind of funny. That's cool. So what is their treatment of indigenous peoples there just out of curiosity? In New Zealand?

Yeah. I mean, I think it's better than America, but that doesn't say a whole lot. Everybody's got a lot of stuff that they need to be answering for in their treatment of the indigenous peoples of the countries. but from what I understand, New Zealand and Australia have started on it before a lot of us did. Okay. Yeah, I just remember for Australia, I remember the song, beds are burning. Is that what it was called? Came out in the 80s.

There was a big... Yes, midnight oil. Yeah, midnight oil. That's it. I think that's when the big push kind of started. But I know they've had their problems. For sure. I know Australia has.

Wait. Yeah, I was just kind of curious. if it was kind of mirrored in New Zealand since the two countries are quite similar. And so I guess they're both considered British colonies, so to speak, or whatever. Formerly? Yeah. How does that work? I mean, dude, you're the political guy, man. I'm trying to pick your brain a little bit.

I'm so trying to catch up with all the loopholes that our government has found in our stuff that I'm a little behind in. the more world stage stuff. But, uh, I got you. But yeah, it's they, they are not, you know, like,

uh, the UK had control over Canada up until something like 20 years ago. Uh, they, they're one of the more imperious bunches, but, uh, they,

historically speaking. Or empirical. Uh, yeah, they, but yeah, they are independent. They have prime minister instead of a president.

Um, but, Yeah, they, it's not like, I think there were moves made around our Thanksgiving to remove more land from the native tribe that fed the pilgrims in the mythical story of the first Thanksgiving. So we're behind a lot of people. Understood. Yeah, I got you, man. Well, I thought, I thought this movie was fucking genius because I hate all these. this is one thing I don't like about our current culture.

There's a lot of shit that I fucking love about what's going on right now. Like when social media can be used to get people like us together, like there might have been one or two of us, you know, horror geeks like in the entire high school we went to or whatever. And it was kind of like really, really hard to find people of the same ilk that we're into the same shit, especially if you're like a nerd or sort of an outcast. but like today it's like easy you know we all get together and like instead of just having to listen to what the latest sports scores were like you know

top 40 hits or whatever on the radio we've got you know we've got our podcast and stuff like that now so i love all that but one thing that i fucking despise about the modern era is reality programming um just because it it all feels so fucking disingenuous and I thought this movie was brilliant and that it kind of turned that shit on its head it was kind of like an MTV Cribs with vampires and the dialogue was just phenomenal

some of the little just throw away one-liners that they had in this movie that were just I thought brilliant all the acting was great these guys obviously have a really good chemistry I love the part where they made the like they would show

vampires from different eras and talk about their history. Like one of them was an 18th century dandy. Yeah. And then I really love it when they, you know, you actually got to see them turn a modern guy into a vampire and the challenges that he was facing and shit like that.

I'm very sad what happened to Peter. Oh. Very proud of it. Peter. Peter. I loved it. I fucking love that.

And they also loved each other. Didn't the friendship feel real? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Romance made in heaven, right? What'd you think, Brian? I loved it. I don't remember...

I can't remember if I've seen this in the theater or not, but I loved it from the first time I watched it. This has been a constant rewatch for me. I think... I'm not sure who my favorite character is. I kind of like Deakin. Because he's supposed to be like the younger one of the group, and he thinks he's like...

super cool and then he's got his little erotic sexy dances he tries to do but then he likes to knit and stuff like that so I thought that and I really like Taika Watiti in this

him as a director like I will check out anything he does I'm really excited for the upcoming Star Wars stuff he's going to be working on is he going to work on the Mandalorian TV show or like what else is he doing I know he's going to direct some episodes for that, and I think there's talks of him doing other things.

So I think as far as the directing, he's got a big future ahead of him. And yeah, and Peter, that was sad. He was one of my favorites, too. I like how his character just was played it straight throughout his time during the movie compared to the others. Sure. And, uh, uh, also the revealing the beast. Yes, I was just about to say that.

I was so interested to see this beast. And it just turned out to be, yeah, it just turned out be his ex-girlfriend. I like the wood carving drawings and stuff that they had throughout the movie. Yes, that was nice, man. It made it look like kind of like a, oh, and did you guys notice in the beginning credits, it actually said commissioned by the New Zealand Documentary Association or something like that? Yes. Yeah.

So they really, they did everything they could to make it look like it was, you know, like a real documentary or like real footage or something like that. The fact that they've got all these hours that they never made it on to film really makes me wonder if that could ever be available. Heather, you're kind of our inside person in that industry. What do you think? Does this rate a special four or five Blu-ray set or something of all the outtakes? I was thinking, has there ever been anything that I worked on that had that many, that much behind the scenes footage? I don't, that was taken away. Usually I'm trying to get FX footage.

I mean, there are people, this is why I can say that there would be interest in it from an audience perspective. There are people that have messaged me who, of course, like, we edit down our interviews to put them on discs, but they want to see the uncut interviews of everything. like would be their joy if it was just an entire hour of the interview they want everything so I think there's people who want there with everything if someone made available like over a hundred hours of everything that made that film I know that I would I would want it I would watch it just sort of like raw regular but I would also want commentary over a hundred hours yeah I've got on other cuts of film but There hasn't been, when I was working in the ninth configuration disters like that, is that there's different cuts of the film that exist all over the world,

but to get the dollars aside to scan all that in becomes an issue. So, I mean, if it's shot digitally, we're just looking at disk-based. Sure. Yeah, we should tell the people, it's like, you know, they should tweet to the boys and go, listen, we need everything. Somebody needs to do it, right? Yes. I always wondered if they was going to use any of this for the,

upcoming TV show. Oh, the Spook Squad or whatever the... Is it about... Is it going to be following the werewolves or the police that showed up? Well, they're also... They're doing that, but they're also doing a series based on this movie. Oh, right. So I always wondered if they were going to use any of that for the show.

Oh, that would kind of make sense, actually. That might very well be the case. I was looking on IMDB, and it looked like they actually already... had like several episodes in the can or something like that so huh that's a that that could be it man that may be how they

released some of that shit and then like back it up with some new stuff yeah I know when we you remember when we interviewed uh Jason and Troy for their documentary they did the about the Millennium TV show and they said they

fucking had shit loads of that they They said it was a chore to get it down to, you know, like the hour and 40 minute runtime or whatever. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. You have to kill your darling, because I feel a lot of times, I would see this critique when it comes to real documentaries about horror films. It's like, oh, it's a glorified supplement. A lot of folks don't realize, like, what it goes into, like, shooting time, budget. It's like you're limited on time, you're limited in on budget, you're limited in on availability.

So the idea to do like a full deep dive That's 90 minutes into something Is wonderful and it's not it's not the same as what a Supplement or an extra is is supposed to do I mean sometimes I've gotten enough people to do like feature length stuff or Mike is cut it That would be like I think the last one was probably for the house movies There's feature length docs on there

But really I like I appreciate anyone who's going out there And archiving the material But also I want to see all their material as well. It's a lot of work. And yeah, like you said, kill your darlings. You've got to decide what stays and what goes, you know, to make it viable and something people are going to pay attention

to, right? And marketable. Yes. All right, you guys ready for scores on this one? Yes. All right, Heather, between one and ten, and we use decimals and we're pretty fast and loose with, you know.

Oh, fuck. Okay. Because I tell people they should watch it It's more brilliant than John of the Dead And where the hell of this movie How the hell is it made? Why are you so funny? Why are you so funny? What do you think, Darren?

Yeah, pretty close. I had a nine and a half. Bad assed. Wow. A lot of love. Shit, I'll go eight. You know, I really fucking loved it. I thought it was genius. and eight out of ten I think is a really good score.

I was going to go nine, but I'm going to go nine and a half because I just remembered Stu, and everybody needs a best friend like Stu. He's the reddest person, I know. So nine and a half. It's also incredibly hard to make horror comedies that work. Yes. New Zealand does it well, though, don't they?

They're good, man. Somehow they're able to get the rainy blood. down there. Tannel it. Channel it from Detroit. The old Detroit, where you're from? I got you. I can see that. Definitely. So, a lot of strong recommends on this

one, huh? Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. See if the trick continues. I feel sad for people who haven't seen it. And I go, we have to, like, if we could watch it, like, if someone tells me they haven't watched this movie, if I could have them watch it instantaneously right now.

Mm-hmm. That's my love of this movie. Yeah, I'm always like an iTunes guy. Philip is sort of like a resident pirate here, but and I can say that because he's not here, so fucking, but yeah,

no, I'm always like, if it's available on iTunes or something like that, you know, fucking pay a little money to rent it. I mean, for fuck, for fuck's sake, you know, these people put their heart and soul into it. And, you know, obviously there's a reason that people um, you know,

do what they do when they make movies. and shit. I mean, they want to do it because they love it, but they've got to kind of eat too. So definitely, that's where I caught it was iTunes. So I'm sure pretty much everywhere that you can stream movies, it's available. So if you haven't seen what we do in the shadows, what the fuck is your problem? Go do that. Get on that. All right, we'll move on to our second feature of the night, which is Death Chasm. And I am going to let you guys pretty much do this one because I saw it once.

But number one, it was a pretty long time ago. And number two, I was really fucked up. So I don't remember a whole lot of it. But you should give you what you think you thought you saw while being fucked up. You know what? In your approximation, it doesn't have to be a real thing. Okay, I'll do that. And I'm super, super fucking excited to hear what you guys have to say.

because there's so much love for this movie. Director and writer Jason Lee Howden, mainly known for visual effects. And he's worked on some pretty big shit, The Hobbit movies and the Avengers among others. There are rumors that if you play

a muted death gap... Maybe I'll watch it this way, Heather. If you play a muted deathgasm and line it up with the beginning of Iron Maidens live after death, it sinks up perfectly. I believe it. He is an actual real metalhead this boy. This is not like a poser metalhead boy making a movie. It's an actual one.

So I feel the high watermark because I did a again, I saw this in the film fest run. And I talked to Jake about it a bit. We sort of talked about trick or treat being an influence. And then of course the highest one original trick or treat, right? Yeah, trick, trick, trick, or treat. The rotoscope lightning going into the records and everything. And also we talked about the highest, so we should rank it against the highest word of mark of metal horror, which is the gate. Okay. None more metal.

None more metal than the gate. Sure. And so, and so I think it's, it's a pretty, it's a pretty fun movie around that area. Now, I've heard complaints on my end because no win is satisfied that actual real metalheads go, I don't understand the soundtrack or they're poking fun. I have a background of being punk rock and having a lot of friends that were metalheads growing up. That's why I love metalheads, even though I, I don't understand. don't listen to any metal, but I always have a soft spot to watch movies about them.

I thought it was adorable. And again, it has like that sense of humor and the gore that you see in New Zealand film. And it's really fun to watch. And I love the opening. And also when they have these sort of sections that go into like Boris Viejo territory, you know, when they, when they have the feeling of, you know, the metal. Yeah. Mandy kind of went into that too a little bit, wouldn't you say? Yes, yes. Mandy is a certainly a death metal movie.

But I think it's made with love, putting, you know, watching boys in corpse paint try to save the world. Because who else are going to save the world? Well, Darren, you should be able to answer that one. Well, I similarly know a lot of metalheads and as a drummer have been asked to, Hey, can you just play a set? Because our drummer, whatever. But it is a bit more of an outsider thing, being more from the punk rock background. But it's got, it's, what are their names?

Brody, Dion Giles, and Zach. That is like how my first band got put together. It's like, okay, we all, we've got enough people that like each other enough. Pick an instrument and we're a band now. And we'll figure it out later. and we'll make our uncle's eyes bleed while we're trying to figure out how to play our shit in the garage. You know, I like how aside from the zombies or the possessed by demons people, the biggest assholes are the Christians and the good jocks and all that shit. Oh, you mean it mirrors real life? What?

Yeah, you know, there's a little bit of truth to every. piece of art. I've definitely had, I haven't had any asshole jock relatives because I'm, we sort of spoke earlier, but I mean, I'm not even the most left leaning or left wing or liberal or whatever you want to call me person in my family. So it's like the, the asshole Christian oppressor is the outlier. But yeah, there's it. Yeah.

I liked that even though this is a movie about summoning a demon and destroying the world, there's a lot of reality to it. There's a lot going on just under the surface, huh? Yeah, you know, the oppressed Christians with their sex toys. Yeah. And I like how he just says, fuck it, and he kills his cousin. Well, he was totally possessed, didn't you see? Oh, I need to go re-watch this. Fuck.

I think you would. And it's, do you have Amazon Prime? I don't. My daughter has it, and she, like, tried to let me borrow her password and shit. But it kept fucking making me go, like, to my PC, back to the TV, back to the PC. Then they changed the fucking password. And I said, fuck it. Just forget it.

I'll just rent it, God damn it. It's definitely worth the rent. but it's on Amazon Prime if you already pay for it. So yeah, I think you might enjoy it. Brian, I think you love this movie, right? Oh, this movie is fucking badass. That is my favorite scene where he kills the cousin because that guy was a dick from the moment you meet him.

I mean, he squirts him with piss. I mean, that right there. And I love the name of the band Death Gasm. It has a better ring to it than Cannibal Unicorn or Maggot Spurn or any of those other names they were coming up with. But I thought this movie was funny. I love

whether it is killing zombies with anything, because it kind of reminded me of this video game. What was it? Dead Rising? Yeah, and shopping mall or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love this movie. And, yeah,

nothing much more to say. It is an awesome movie. So will you guys explain to me? The one thing I do remember is like I kind of like knotted out and then I woke up and they were like, were they fighting each other with dildos or what? Yeah, well, that was, do you, do you want that explained to you or do you want it to be a happy surprise? I guess we'll go with a happy surprise, man. I got to fucking check it out. But definitely watch all the way through the credits.

There's a little bit at the end when the credits are over. Yes. Hidden shit at the end, huh? Yeah. You guys ready for scores? Mm-hmm. Heather, you want to go first? Uh-oh.

We lost Heather. You there? Oh, here I am. I would give it an eight. All right. Nice. Nice. Very solid movie.

Good job, Jason. Darren? I've given this one a nine. It would be also probably up there around at nine and a half if it was punks. Mm-hmm. Maybe they'll do a sequel. Kind of like the rise of Western civilization was punks, and then part two was fucking 80s hairbands, remember?

Oh, right. Was that Penelope Spiris? It was. All I remember was the dude, the lead singer from Wasp, and it showed him floating out in a fucking floaty in his swimming pool, in his million-dollar home, living with his mother, drinking a fucking bottle of vodka guzzling it down

and saying, I'm an old fuck. I'm just an old fuck! I remember that. And then Motley crew driving around and they're fucking they had like a limo, but like the back of it was open and they were all in a hot tub.

Driving to L.A. Of course they did. All the excesses. Yeah, Rise of Western Civilization. Heather, I know you've seen the first one at least, right? I have Koresa and I love her work. I also love suburbia. And I was honored to run her Q&A at Alamo Brooklyn.

Oh, nice. Punk is fuck. I love her. I love her very much. And I like that you can get a higher score movie if it has punks in it. I like that idea. It's like, did you up the punk half a point? Fantastic.

Brian? I'm going to go nine and a half again. Bad ass. I love this movie. All right. New Zealand, we love you. Right. All right. So our final movie is, of course, the director of, well, I know he did all the Lord of the Rings movies. Did he also direct The Hobbit films?

Yes. And the King Kong remake and what? Well, that one. Meet the Feebles. That fucking love that movie. I like when he won his Oscar, if you guys watched the Academy Award. that he mentions Moose Feebles on the stage of the Academy Awards. I do remember that.

It was like this wonderful Fangorian moment. It's like, hazza, haza. Who would have ever thought, right? The good world we live in. And the writers were Stephen Sinclair with Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson. This movie is said by some to be the bloodiest of all time, if you measure it in amount of film blood used during the production. introduction. Speaking of Meet the Feebles, guys, the song played on the organ as the mortars wait

to enter the church before the embalming scene is none other than sodomy. The classic. Classic Meet the Feeble's song. Dead alive, Darren, you want to go first? Man, I think you first told me about this movie. I did. I think I don't know how we got talking about it, but I got ultra-focused when you said you hadn't seen it. I think I first saw this around the end of junior high, beginning of high school.

And this was one of the, this was probably the first Peter Jackson movie I saw, because this was in the 90s. Yeah, it's what, 80 gallons of fake blood or something like that. And it's still, right?

It'll still gross me out. This is really good practical effects. Yes. Speaking of King Kong, isn't the Sumatran monkey rat on Skull Island? Yeah. In the beginning.

And, you know, the fucking priest, I kick ass for the Lord. I mean, my wife's got a t-shirt of that. And it's just one of those movies. I mean, and that fucking baby, you want to kill the baby, too.

And, yes. Why you mean to zombie babies? I mean, it's better than the baby from the Dawn of the Dead remake. If we're ranking zombie babies as well. Yeah, or the baby on the fucking sci-fi channel show in the third episode. I can't even remember the name of that fucking show. So this is a quality zombie baby. Yeah, big time.

Yeah, it's quality. He's just kind of a dick. It's like Roadrunner and something and Jerry. Red Runner and Jerry had a zombie baby somehow. Okay. So yeah, I mean, it's a wonderful scene. I think isn't that how they spent the money they had left over? Was they spent an extra day shooting in the park.

Dude, it sounds like you know quite a bit of the backstory on this movie. I mean, not a lot. It's just from watching it so many times and hanging out with so many different people watching it. We had a really bad ice storm maybe 10 years ago and it was the first time I revisited it. a friend brought over Meet the Feebles and this, but it was under Brain Dead, you know, when he brought it over.

And yeah, it was like his gift to our house for still having electricity and letting him come over. Nice. So it's just, yeah, a lot of past viewings and a lot of fun with this movie. And I could watch it another

thousand times and still have a blast. So you're also it's ambassador to your friend group that's good. Behold this treasure. Right? Get your eyes on it. Heather, you love this one, right?

Me? I, let me tell you. When did I see it? So, I was, of course, reading Fangorian Gorazon back in the day, and I would read anything that I would rent anything

that Fangorian Gorazon had if I remember renting the VHS and it had, and it had the other finger on it, so it was giving the punk rock two finger sleet and the middle finger, which is on the BHS. And it's just, it was a, it was a lot of fun. And all the movies that were mentioning,

like, I could really trace the lineage of this influence of, uh, Evil Dead 2 on it. As is if Evil Dead 2 was washed off on the island of New Zealand and they went like, let's make this, let's make movies. This is what cinema is. And we're just going to, we're just going to

agree this what cinema is. and turn it out from a genre perspective, which is a beautiful thing to do, and I appreciate the country for doing that. But that's how long ago I saw it, and it's critical watching. Out of all of Peter Jackson's things, I think the most critical watch is Meet the Feebles,

because it's incredibly hard to, it's incredibly hard to watch, because the gore in this film is funny. It's not, it's not too bad, but what comes out of what I, what this movie could offer you the most are people drinking vomit, and people falling from cliffs and trying to put their brains back in.

I think are my strongest memories, my initial memories of watching this film. Sure. And then also chainsaw through an alien and wearing the alien as a suit before men in black. That's the first. Who wore it best, right? Exactly. It's like who is the best zombie baby who were at best? Brilliant.

but I'm a great I mean because it's like a movie like this it's like can you say like am I a fan of the Night of Living Dead am I a fan of Chainsaw Masker? It's like a movie like this is critical as a horror fan to see it so for me it goes beyond

do you like this film it's like this film is necessary if you're a disciple of horror it's necessary because it's his initial film Peter Jackson who would of course be very important in the genre world, but never

losing that as part of his heart. Dilturo is the same way. Sure. So he's our ambassador. You know, I just can't believe I've never seen this before. This is... What are you doing with your life?

Absolute fucking horror masterpiece. Do you know how many episodes of Daredevil there are? He's only one man. Oh my. Yeah. Thanks, Darren. Well, I also sat through fucking I'm fifth season two, you know, so

what can I say, man, I'm a completest, but man, you know what really? I don't know where to begin. The fucking, the music, the soundtrack for this film, kind of like the old Spanish, it's got the Spanish sounds because of the Spanish character. It's got like the old school music sounds to it because of the 1950s period piece that it is.

it's got all kinds of highs and lows when you get to the scary parts and shit like that the soundtrack just really caught me on this thing from start to finish I absolutely loved the song that they played at the end too I just thought everything worked great and then you've got I mean it's got like every horror trope in it

and it's got it follows all the rules of zombie etiquette except that you can't even fucking kill them when you when you chop their brain their head off they're still fucking coming after you it's like how the fuck do you kill these things um and then you you've got the

fucking uh the the the really nasty uncle that's trying to it's coming in there and I'm like when is this fucking asshole going to get his but I kind of started respecting him man because the old uncle kind of held his on there um when all the the fucking zombies were coming after

him and I I love that that intro part where it reminded me so much of the beginning of Raiders of Lost Art, almost like, kind of like throw me the idol, I throw you the whip type thing, and they left the poor guy behind

running after the Jeep trying to catch up. And they said, you've got the bite. And then this guy's fucking mother, man, was just like, this is like the mother that everybody would dread having. And of course, who gets bit?

The fucking mother, because she's following him around, little sunny boy when he's on a date with his Spanish cutie there and she has to be in the mix of it and she gets bit by the fucking and I loved that practical effect stop motion little rat than if I'd been bitter it was just so perfect

and then the lawnmower at the end when he and I mean I think Darren I think I message you about this this dude could be David tenants like older brother, am I right? Oh, Timothy Balm, or Lionel, the guy that played Lionel. Yeah, he's like that the guts, that the guts come to life.

I've never seen that in a zombie film. That brings one step further. That was so fucking amazing. It like took every war trope. How does that come about? Because you want to sit down, it's like, what was the brainstorming session or the writing session where like the guts are now going to come after him?

Like, okay, well, we just, Watch the thing and Psycho and Evil Dead too. Maybe from beyond. Yeah. The animator. I remember some guts attacking people in Reanimator. Oh, did? Okay.

All right. Yeah. But this was, it was its own person, though. It wasn't like a tentacle attached to a zombie body. It was its own sentient being. It was a step further. It's the Kiwi twist. Man, those guts should win an Academy Award.

and they better bring up Meet the Feebles It's true, it's true That was really well done And you know what Brian, do you think Philip would like this movie? Absolutely. I think Philip would have loved this movie. He fucking hated Meet the Feebles though, remember?

Well, Beat the Feebles again is not a film that should be liked. Okay. It's an experience. It's a very unblesslessed. I'm fucking loved it. loved it. I mean, these are probably, so I've seen a lot of Peter Jackson movies and obviously a shitload more money spent on them. But you know what? These are my two favorite Peter Jackson movies that I've ever seen. You know? Have you seen bad taste yet? I forget. That's the next

one on my list, dude. I got to check that. That's why I bring up is the need. Because for me, for best Peter Jackson films would be bad taste and heavenly creatures. Oh, I love. loved heavenly creatures, but that was a totally different movie. It was, it was. So I want to talk, so to me, it's like his most transgressive and wild, and then like the art film he did, sort of like the spectrum of work. Okay. Art, well, I think bad taste is probably the only one of his I haven't seen now, so, yeah.

You should be watching on VHS to reclaim the experience that you should have had. If only I could find a VHS player. I think there's one in our adage. Guys, 99 cents stores. My friend recently borrow my analog TV and my VCR and they go, do they work? It's like, of course they work.

How am I going to watch all my old VHS? Yeah. And half of you don't have enough friends in your life that have VHS. You have a VHS player. You've got to rethink that. But yeah, no, you can get them a 99-cent store. They're just giving them away. No shit.

It's like, please take my VHS. Well, I kind of thought it would be one of those retro things where they actually were fucking jacking up the price now because it's nobody wants nobody wants it okay it's not like that i think it's within facebook groups that people are selling uh they're crazy they're crazy things for a lot of money but in the outside world general population it's like these things need to go to a good dump heap yeah you might even have a good chance finding them for five cents at the goodwill yes that's what i was thinking go to the goodwill ask for the new chat section where do you keep your vCRs and buy one for five

Well, I know I've got a bunch of VHS tapes up in the attic because I was looking up there and I saw like, for example, the Black Adder Christmas Carol. That's exciting. My favorite is I have taped off TBS Rich Little's Christmas Carol. No shit. Yeah, yeah. That's why you need, that's why I need to keep by VCR running in an analog TV.

I don't like watching. I've seen VHS on a flat screen and it's just not the same. You need it to do it. Don't throw them out. Okay. You need that depth. Right. And there's some beautiful rich blacks and analog TVs that people forget about.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Good black quality. Yeah, the only problem with those old TVs is you throw your fucking back out trying to move it around from one room to another. That is true. I have like a 54-inch O-L-E-D, and it's like you could balance it with one hand. Yes. And like, like, like, smaller analog, you just can't.

It's the glass, I think. is it? I have no idea. Totally different shit. It could be the complete tube that's in there. I don't know what makes it so heavy. But it's like what I guess like when a white dwarf condenses upon itself. That makes it so heavy.

It's like, why is this heavy? It's a 13-inch TV. Dangerous. And analog TV is used as weapons and it follows. Mm-hmm. so they can be thrown by spirits at a high speed I'm absolutely man I

Darren I owe you a lot man for for making me see this movie I if it wasn't me it was going to be somebody else but I'm glad to help yeah this is this is going to be a this is going to be a regular man at least once a year and uh yeah the the priest father father Magruder was that what the fuck was that? He's doing like

kung fu or something like that against against the zombies. Oh shit. I didn't even mention the zombie sex scene. That was pretty awkward, huh? Oh, with him and the nurse? By awkward, you mean deliciously awkward. Her head kept falling

backwards. I'm ready to go see this again right now. Whatever became of the lady that played that played mummy anybody know was she in anything else or was this kind of like her her one role and anybody have to check the i mdb would have to check the i mdb for it no one mentioned though her her skin falling into like the the soup oh the soup or the pudding or whatever yes yes yes yes well while while the sun freaks out during the dinner and just the And the amount of gore, the amount of like the splat stick,

which of course they call it in it. Right. Because it's like we could subtly drip a whole thing or I can like do so much like gore rigging. Mm-hmm. Important. Man, I haven't had a good pudding in it. My wife just doesn't cook pudding any, you know?

God damn. All right, you guys ready for scores? Yeah. I went first. well um i give it i i give it a 10 because it's a it's a legendary film i will give all his early films uh 10 but i i believe out of his early can and the uh the most important to watch is bad taste because of where it uh where where it comes from but all those movies 10 it's all over i'm gonna check it check out bad taste for sure it's the o g yeah this one if i have to rate it

i think it's sort of beyond rating but yeah 10 as well. Damn. It's true. Brian? I guess it's the season of giving giving. So I'm going to give it at 10 because you know how big

how big of a practical effects fan I am. Oh, yeah. And there are all of them. Yes, there are some effects. Like somebody's entire face comes off of their head. Right. And there's another scene where somebody, a fist comes through the back of someone's head through their mouth.

Classic. And it looks realistic. And I love this movie. I think I was like 12 or 13 when I first seen it. And it blew me away back then. So, yes, this has stayed with me for a long time. So 10. Man, there's just so much going on.

Especially when uncle's got him over the barrel. And he brings all those friends in and they have the fucking wild late. 1950s rock and roll party there at the house and just fucking madness ensues. There's only two films that I give 10 to. One of them is a clockwork orange and the other one is mother.

But I'm going 9.5. This is a fucking brilliant film. Just beautiful. For any horror fan, I mean, it's got so much in it. It's so many tropes, but it turns every one of them on its ear. The acting is fantastic.

Everybody's believable. So, wow, I cannot believe I hadn't seen this before. This is an amazing movie. 9.5 for sure. Nice. So before we do our logout, I definitely want to give you guys a little time again to sort of plug what you got going on.

Heather, you've got a lot of stuff working. What are the main takeaways, like, anybody listening to our podcast? What do you want them to know about? I want, well, check out the Candyman disc. For me, I think it's very interesting to watch Miss Dews and her husband talk about the black and white gaze of Candyman and what it would look like as a remake before Jordan Peel's remake was talked about. So I think that's a critical piece of genre thinking on the Candyman disc. And the stuff coming up is that I was asked to produce the Spike Lee stuff coming out from Kina, which I'm very excited about. Now what's that?

So they're putting out a bunch of Spike Lee movies, and I'm the producer putting those discs together. So it's like they're not announced it in the world. It's like Summer of Sam, Clockers, Jungle Fever, do the right thing. So that's coming out in the world. So I'm currently working on that. in an unannounced 80s hard title. Some people are not a fan of this movie,

but I'm a huge fan because I grew up watching Crack Monster Party and like movies that remind me of reading Crack Monster Party. I have great affection before, like 10,000 and House 2, but a lot of these things are maligned out in the world. So as soon as I saw, because it's an unannounced title,

I'm not going to mention it, that Kino had it, and it's like, I will give it all the love in my heart, all the love in my heart. So that's something. And then I also have a slate of films that I've sort of been shopping around with my producing partner, Corey Astra, who directed Let Me Make You a Martyr. So we have all those projects.

So I will continue to do the doc work, which I love because I think archiving film history is critically important, especially for titles, you know, that we all buy. And then also doing feature genre stuff out in the world. making stuff that makes people happy. That's what I want to do. It's like, this is a cool thing. And they go, that's cool. And it's like, yay. Now, where are you on social media?

I am on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. On Facebook, I believe my URL is Joe Spinell lives. But I accept, oh, God, I'm almost up to 5,000. And it pisses me off because I like to, I like, my Facebook wall is a lot of people having conversations about genre. And I love, I love it. It's kind of like a bulletin ball. But I do have room for some more people on there.

And then Twitter, they can find me at under hashtag Heather Buckley and the same on Instagram. And I will always interact and feel love. And I love when people having conversations about New Cohen Brothers movies or Goodfellas or Westerns or horror movies. And we all, I love hearing everybody talk about their love of the genre and why their favorite piece of art is important to them. We also talk about punk rock because I'm a punk rocker. They will see my picture with my bighawk and probably one of my collars on. It's like that's Heather Buckley. Very nice.

And do you know Larry Fesson personally? Because I know he does a lot with glass. Does he own Glass Eye? He does. Back in the day. So I have three favorite horror films, three vampire films, not Dracula films. And one of them is definitely happening. And a long time ago, my writing partner, Ethan, was like,

you should listen to the commentary, when you should watch Habit, because it's phenomenal, listen to the commentary, is that he talks about a lot of things that sort of you talk to me about. And I'm, because I'm in the New York City,

like, area, and I would hang out with film people because I root for Fangori and Dred Central. And I, and I, you know, met him, and I also met Jen, who's his producer

and the director of, of the Ranger. And I was, I was so honored, like, while putting together the sort of the architecture of the movie,

the Ranger, to work under the glass eye the glass eye label of glass i'm very i'm very honored i hope and i hope in the future that there's other stuff that i that i uh that i make with dinner anyone on there is that i'm asked back to glass eye because they uh his spirit there's like not a word on earth that could describe like a holy man larry is in his like empathy and kindness and support and brilliance cool so i know larry he's a he's an amazing guy all right All right. Well, you're definitely welcome back. Any time, Felcher's been on a couple of times. He usually does our March Madness show with us. I love Mike Felcher so much. Mike Feltzer, here, I'll tell you, like, this is how, so after I did, we are still here as a shop supervisor, it was Travis. And I said, oh, he did such a great job. Heather should not think about doing FX Shop Supervision anymore. She's thinking about producing. And that was always brought up because my background, I was like creative director, creative leave and advertising world. So I was like cross-as-examplein management,

running like really expensive expensive projects and I was going to horror hound with Don May from Synaps and he goes like oh you can't fit in the back of our van because all our product is in there because he was driving up but Jerry you should drive with Michael Felser and again

Ethan Halo like other than like I have to listen to the habit like commentary it's like you should be friends with Michael Felscher because he's so funny and cool so it's like oh my God I'm hanging out with Michael Felscher and he is so funny and cool and I was telling him is that all these people in my life have been asking that I should become a producer. And he asked me to work on

the Lionsgate Saw dock with him. And that's how the rest is history. That's really what it was. We were driving around, stopping it like Denny. He's a claw machine master. You could always ask him about that. But, you know, we continue to do stuff today. And I always like, you know, he believed in me. He gave me all these great projects, these great high profile projects. and he himself is a great and wonderful man. Awesome. Well, Darren, I know you record shows a little bit in advance, right? You probably have, like, what, seven or eight in the can already?

Well, it depends on, well, for Psychosemantic, I've got one that you can look for around the time that you're hearing this, whenever the time you hear this. dogma with Paul from Who Will Survive. Okay. And a lot of the times with psychosemantic, we sort of pick the movies based on where the conversation needs to be. Right. So it's a little less planned. But coming up in the new year, there's going to be some of the more predictable ones that I wanted to wait until everybody sort of knew what we were doing since we get different hosts all the time.

So there's going to be Chud. You're going to see They Live. I'm sure there's going to be... I've been dying for They Live, man. Dr. Strange Love. We're going to do some more over there. And over at... I'm newer to this show, so I forget to mention it sometime.

But over... I am a new co-host this year at the VD Clinic, where we do movies and literature. And we've got, around the time this comes out, you should be able to hear Shakes the Clown. and paired with the Henry Miller short story, The Smile at the Foot of the Ladder. And we got an interview with my co-host's mom

who's been a clown for 20 or 30 years. Vanessa's mom? I want to go. Yeah, well, she's moved. Well, Vanessa already lives in New York, and her mom, the clown, will be moving there shortly. Imagine the name of a movie called her mom the clown.

Right. Maybe on to something here. Bobcat would have to direct it. Yeah, he would have to. And then in December, we're doing Let the Right One In paired with the Neil Gaiman short story Snowglass Apples. Wow.

So, yeah, more stuff coming up. And so yeah, thank you. Cool. Oh, ask political movies on Twitter and Psycho-Semantic on Instagram. Yeah, I think a lot. of our listeners follow you, so there's quite a bit of bleed over there. And you're part of Legion podcast, correct?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, Legion has some quality shit, man. It's a little bit of something for everybody. I'm, I guess, like, the political wing, but... Right. I've been accused of radicalizing others. Everybody's got to have one, right? You would hope.

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