The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #134: Deep Rising (1998) & Aquaman (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: August 30, 2025

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Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers,

and the foulest of the world. language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Back one and all to the horror returns. I'm Lance and with me, as always, my co-host Brian. So? Philip is not here. Melissa is not here. But we're good because tonight it's the original California Love Himself, the great Superman. our man, Art Marillo. How's it going?

Hello, guys. Fine. How are you guys doing? Doing all right. Did I miss an adjective to describe you? No, I think you got them all in. You just read what I sent you, right? My introduction?

No. What did you send? You send an email? No. I usually have a prepared statement of the way I like to be introduced, but it's okay. Oh, my God. I'm just messing with you, man. I fucked up.

I fucked up. All right. Give me, give me an. another chance man next time you come on fair enough all right yeah fair enough all right so what's hey what's the traffic like in in l.a oh man don't even get me started i know you have you guys always have that jabroney pedro nune is on here so i'm sure you can tell you better than i could but uh today it was it's a saturday usually saturday's not that bad but this is like one of those getaway weekends you know because the holidays it was just uh it's just not fun i don't and i used to

drive a stick to work so i'm just glad i don't do that anymore right Yeah, but not just the regular holiday traffic. Holiday traffic, huh? Yeah, two and a half hours to get home. Like National Lampoon's Christmas vacation in L.A., huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, I got a shitload of family here, so I have to keep opening the door to see if the kids are getting into the room,

seeing some of the presents that are still unwrapped that my wife has spread out on the bed. What are you up to, Brian? same old same old working that's it working avoiding holiday shit how are you managing to do that well we got no kids here so

that's one thing and we talked earlier not doing Christmas at the house this year so that's another thing so not a big holiday guy so it all works out for me Yeah? Yeah.

Yeah, I always say I'm not, but then I always go fucking crazy at Christmas. Like I was out shopping all day today, and I swore I wouldn't. But at least I got an early start before everything got crowded, you know? Yeah. But I've got my guests, some of my guests here, my brother-in-law and his wife, were like super late sleepers. And they were, like, they were still in bed. So 9 o'clock came, and I'm like, fuck this shit. I got to get started here.

Get out to the store. So I got back and they're like, I thought you were going to take us with you. And I said, nah, I had to get some shit done. So then they went out with me to like a less crowded shopping area. So we had a good time. Nice.

Everybody loves Christmas, huh? Yeah, I suppose. Yeah, everyone does the pay for it. Oh, you know what? Yeah, but I got to call out one of our homeboys, man. Yeah, I got to call bullshit. our friend Denny Lewis You guys ever heard him talk about this movie called The Nine Lives of Christmas?

Oh, yeah, I won't stop talking about it. This is the most boring, hack job, shitty-ass, Hallmark Quality Level movie I've ever seen in my life. Denny, I don't know what the fuck you were watching, but I think I saw the wrong movie or something. This thing was terrible. It doesn't sound like you guys have sat through it, huh? I saw the first 30 seconds.

That was enough for me. like, what was he doing posing in front of a fire truck? Yeah. Yeah, that's enough for me. For a calendar. What kind of movie is this? It's a terrible movie, man. You know what's funny?

I just hit up Denny on Twitter. There is a tweet about how all these Hallmark Christmas movies are just, you know, they're the same cookie cutter formula, you know? Right. So, but it's pretty interesting, you know. I mean, they're innocent fun, but I mean, those are those, I don't know, you know how it's going to play out you know oh my god are they going to get together

oh yes they got together you know stuff like that but I guess Denny's just a romantic at heart you can't help it I guess so man Denny we know you're out there brother and we know you're a romantic

at heart so you know your secret safe with us but I'm assuming Art the first 30 seconds of that movie was not your cool of the week right no it was not my cool of the week. No.

Fill us in, man. Don't leave us guessing. Amazon Prime show that I kind of heard about, but had no interest. It's called the Romanoffs. Have you guys heard of that? Yeah. And it's funny, I guess the premises, it's like, I don't know how many episodes there are, but they're not, they don't have anything, they only have one common thread or one common thing

is that they somehow, somewhere, tie in with the Romanoff family. you know the Russian the last Russian royal family that got assassinated you know like Anastasia Romanov and all that so somehow each episode there's a tie-in to that

I don't know I don't know anything about the show I heard some good stuff about it but just oh there's just good good show so I checked out the first one which takes place in you know Current-day France so like I said there's nothing

and it could be something as small as oh we had this and used to belong to the Romanoff nothing like hardcore like blood relatives it's just something tiny that ties them back to

Romanovs and really they that I don't know it's just the gimmick but this first episode Big time. Yeah but this first episode was fucking awesome I like it's not yeah it's not horror It's just the I don't know I'll give you like the overall premise It takes place in current day France

Okay with this older not aristocratic one But she's upper crust like super Either super wealthy or whatever Lives in the city of Paris and has this nice ass apartment I'm like you know one of those fucking crazy-ass apartments that's been heading down over generation to generation to her. You find out that she has a nephew, her last surviving

relative, you know, her everyone she knows is dead, and her nephew, I guess he's going to get this apartment when she dies. So he's pretty much just kissing her ass to just get this apartment. He's American. And to play it all off, it's Aaron Eckhart. You guys know Aaron Eckhart, right, the actor?

Yeah. course. So he's like, you hear him, you see him talking French in first, because most of this episodes in French, another thing. So you hear him, you see him talking French. I'm like, what the fuck? Aaron Eckhart talks French. And then you find out like, you know, he's just kind of kissing ass to get this apartment.

And then he hires out these caretakers for this lady. She's old. She's old on borderline elderly, but she's just like one of those ladies that always has had servants. but she always runs through the servants because she just fucking dogs them out and she's on top of that being old she's kind of racist you know she's she's she's hardcore racist and she he gets her this yeah and he gets he gets her this uh one uh highly recommended uh caretaker but she happens to be Muslim and this and this lady's not having it and it goes from there you know and this this this Muslim girl she's it's just funny because she's on i'll make you look so good the Sultan a love you. Like, Sultan,

what the fuck you're talking about? Like, we don't have Soltons. If you haven't had soltons like for,

you know, yeah, or, you know, she has all these misconceptions about Muslim people.

And it's actually a really good, it's funny because, it's an hour and a half episode. It's like a movie. No shit? What the fuck is this show, dude? You said it on Amazon Prime?

Yeah, it's called the Romanoffs. And it's from the creator, Matt Weiner, the guy that created Mad Men. So, you know, it's cool,

but I'm, the first, The first episode was, like, I couldn't believe how much I liked it. I don't know it was because I had to actually pay attention to the whole show because it's in French. You have to actually read, you know, it's like 80% in French. You actually have to read it. Sometimes it's shit, huh?

Yeah. And, but it's, it had my attention. I was sitting on the couch for like an hour. I had something to do like, oh, shit. I got to get out of here. I can't. I thought it was going to be like 30, 40 minutes, you know? So that's my cool little week right there.

Well, you got me looking it up. I'm like, what, Brian, have you checked it out? No. I've seen it one of the times I went to the movie theaters. I was playing like a commercial for it. And it looked pretty interesting. And I remember it has a pretty good cast, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah.

There's all like one-offs, like a lot of Mad Men alums, you know. Okay. Can't think of it. Yeah, so yeah, check it out. I mean, I was really surprised how much I liked that episode, you know. I was like, wow. But that's it. Once that episode, that story's done, they move on to another story,

different situation and everything like that. So at least the first episode of that series was good. It says here it says a contemporary anthology series set around the globe, featuring separate stories about people who believe themselves to be descendants of the Russian royal family. That's like the weirdest idea for a fucking TV show I've ever seen in my life. And like I say, it's not even like that's a major point in the show. It's like a one-off line. It's like, I don't know if that's how they had to sell Amazon on it.

but it really has nothing to do with the Roman ops. Man, you got me interested. I'm going to check this out. That's going to be way better than Nine Lives of Christmas. I'll tell you that right now. Well, that's a given. All right, man, I'm in. I'm going to check it out.

What did you see, Brian? All right, I'm going to start with my Not Cool of the week. The Nine Lives of Christmas? Oh, gosh. I checked out. This is a movie that a lot of people have been, like, kind of going crazy for, and that's the house that Jack built. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You were talking about that last time. Yeah, I didn't like this movie. Yeah. This movie was long and drawn out, and everything I heard, I expected to be just completely kind of, you know, shocked and just unnerved by the things I've seen. Mm-hmm. This movie is tame. I mean, I don't know.

Maybe, maybe, you know, all the, all the shit that we watch, I'm just starting to be, like, desensitized everything. Mm-hmm. But it was, I mean, Matt Dillon was good. But, I mean, it was like two and a half hours long, and it just, it didn't need to be. And from what I understand, there's an unrated cut coming. And that's probably four and a half hours long, right? Yeah. And, uh, because Eddie Ramirez's a comment that he was, uh, waiting to hear my.

review and so I told him what I thought of it and of course Pedro chimed in and said fuck that this movie I love this movie is a work of heart right? Yeah I don't know I cannot recommend this movie at all it's just

I man I've never seen a Lars Van Trier movie that I've liked every fucking thing he's he's done that I've seen it's just fucking slow tedious like no action at all just totally depress

Did you guys see that one called Melancholia? No. I got disturbed by the damn trailer. Well, dude, yeah, don't waste your time, dude. It's about the end of the world, but it's not like a cool end of the world movie. You know what I mean? It's like they just sit there waiting to die talking about philosophy and shit. It's like, get the fuck out of here.

I don't have time for this shit. Yeah. Yeah, not my cup of tea, man. So that's your not cool of the week. Yeah. I am a cool of the week. I got two things since, you know, we're going to be talking about Aquaman.

I had to get in my superhero mode. So I checked out the season finale of Titans. Oh, cool. Yeah. You seen that too, Art? I'm, uh, I think I'm on episode seven or eight. And it's funny because I'm a, I'm a big combo guy and top it all off.

I'm a big DC guy. Not necessarily Titans guy, uh, but this damn show is pretty fucking cool, man. Yeah. I totally agree with you. I'm not going to spoil the finale, but I'm down. I'm ready for season two. I know I saw on Twitter, the supposedly the new character that's going to come next season.

You know, I mean, I'm all down for that, dude. It's like, it's not even Titans. It's like a DC B-level show where they show all these other characters when they shoot Doom Patrol. Don Troy is a Titan. Jason Todd. I'm like, what? the fuck is this dude's like what are they this is nuts you know they're going all in i'm like oh and it's good and you know at first you know the whole thing was uh i at uh in the show

the way they promoted it their lances like you know they have a a short trailer and they show at robin he's all they're asked where's batman he's all fuck batman you know okay obviously there's something something going on with uh batman and robin but it's actually done really good and and that robin i i can't wait till he turns a nightwing he needs to ditch that soon And just be Nightwing already because, I mean, it's like a, it's like a, it's not a hard R show, but it's up there because they, you know, they let the bad words fly and stuff. But it's pretty brutal, dude, sometimes in the action, like, holy shit. Yeah. So, yeah.

I know, I know Batch, Mike Batchler from Multiversity Five. He hates it. But, man, it's not that bad. It's just another interpretation of these characters. But it's not, I, because I don't watch any of those shows, any of those CW shows. I've seen that This is the last crossover They had the Ellis Worlds

But I cannot get down with a 22 episodes of season And I just can't do it Yeah, that's how I dropped off I think Flash Dropped off in season two I can't do the I think it's like 26 episodes I see yeah

I can't do it Yeah and you've got to watch like five or six shows Right to catch the whole storyline Because they do a lot of crossovers If you want the big big payoffs Yeah you want those oh shit moments I saw the else worlds. I'm like I said,

I'm pretty well versed in DC stuff, but I know there's some stuff. And then they're so cheesy. They're just so, yeah, it's like, oh, you know,

it's like, oh, you know, and I don't mind it, but they're just so cheesy and campy, which is cool, but I guess, you know,

they must be doing something right because, I mean, they've pumped out like five of these damn shows. You got Arrow, you got Supergirl, you got Flash, you got hero,

you know, I don't know, the Black Lightning. Legend Tomorrow. Like, yeah, so, I mean,

Obviously, they must be doing something right. Someone's watching these shows. And Batwoman's coming out? Yeah, I don't get it. Yeah, I had to tap out. I loved them, man. Especially Arrow. I really liked all the shows and the side characters and everything.

But shit, dude, yeah, 26 episodes times, what, five or six shows, whatever? Come on. Yeah. 130 episodes a year. That's 130 hours in one year out of your life, man. I'm like, no. Yeah. And another thing about this show that, I mean, I always thought she was hot.

Yeah. Minka Kelly. Oh, my God. Is it the hair? It's got to be the hair, right? It's the white hair for some reason. It just makes it pop like, holy, I didn't know who she was. You know, when I saw, I saw it like, who the, I saw the episode like, who the hell is this chick?

They even, uh, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. Oh, no, I said, I just had to look it up because you're right. I mean, she's gorgeous. Yeah. And they even drop a line. in there where somebody calls her Calisi because of the hair. Oh, wow.

Getting into pop culture too, huh? Yeah. And really quick, my cool little week for a movie, I saw the Spider-Man into the Spider-verse. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love that movie. You saw two art.

I'm the only one, huh? Yeah, and top of it off, I'm not a Spider-Man fan, but this fucking movie, it from the get-go, right from the beach, beginning, dude, it's like non-stop action, like, because my nephew

one, he's like, dude, I'm exhausted. He's 15, he's, I'm exhausted. He's, I'm exhausted. Like, why? Like, it never stopped. Like, it's like, bam, bam, bam. Like, even the slow moments, and there's a slow moment, it can't be more than three to five minutes long. And it just, because I'm, I'm a Superman

fan. I always get shit for this. And one of the kind of the things always, you know, I always, uh, people give me shit about as being a Superman fan, but I said, well, because Spider-Man sometimes comes off as a whiny bitch. Oh, I don't want to be Spider- He's like everything.

Come on. Yeah. I know a whiny bit. I have a hot girlfriend. I can't be around her because she's going to die. But, blah, blah, blah. From this one, there's none of that. You kind of get a little bit of it because there's multiple versions of Spider-Man.

What I loved was the older version of Spider-Man. You see what the ramifications of him choosing to be Spider-Man have taken upon his life. It's like, I don't know, he has to be late 30s, maybe early 40s, Spider-Man. Sure. And you've seen, you know, it's the physical toll, the emotional. total toll, the relationships is broken up and then you had this cocky, I don't want to say cocky, but like, you know, it's just like, I guess

an average teenage kid, and he, and, you know, he just hits it with the different point of view, and it's like, fuck, man, it is. I mean, that, that's easily, I mean, for at least comic movies out of all, it's got to be in top five overall comic

comic book movies easily. Of all time. Yeah, it, yeah. More than Infinity War? it's like Infinity War is only and only ahead to me because they've laid so much groundwork because the payoffs are so much better

but single movie single movie I mean this one's fucking up there dude yeah it's definitely my my favorite Spider-Man movie oh yeah that for sure easily my favorite Spider-Man movie and I almost had one little hang up with the movie

because they had all these Spider-Man's but there was one missing but stay for the after-credit scene and he pops in there. So, yeah, I love the animation. I dug the soundtrack. It was just, it was fun from beginning to end. It just overtook your senses, dude.

So the animation style, it's not like Pixar. It's not like Dreamworks. It's like, oh, it is Sony, but it's not like their other stuff. Like, you know, it's not like Hotel Transylvania. And it's fresh. It's colorful. There's always something like, you know, remember the old Batman shows there, Lance? I'm pretty sure like 15 when they came out, right?

Yeah, no, I was 28 when they came out. Okay. You know, bam, boom, pow, all those sound effects. They have their own little spin on them, but they're really, I mean, it's like, you can watch this movie two, three times easily and probably see something new every time. Yeah. And one thing I really liked is when you get introduced to another Spider-Man, their animation is different from everyone else's.

Oh, yeah. Which is not, it's not a spoiler. You see them in a movie. Like, you got Spider-Man noir. who was in black and white. What? Yeah, Penny Parker. So he was interacting with the characters that were in color?

Yeah, and then you got Penny Parker. She's more of like an anime, uh, animation. And then, you know, Spider Ham's kind of like a throwback to like a Howard the Duck type thing or whatever. Well, like the animation, like, uh, bugs money and stuff like that. That kind of. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

you guys are you're selling me yeah take the grandkids lans yeah take the grandkids lance yeah take the grandkids lance yeah you know what i've got it oh fucking a guys i got uh my grand my grandsons are in town and we're all going to go see a movie uh monday we're trying to figure out what to see that's the best one you can take them to oh man i think you guys just answered it yeah yeah that's uh something for the whole family right we were going to go see bumbleby but what do you what do you think between those two well i'm watching bumblebee tomorrow so but i don't know i'm i'm a spider-man guy so spider-man was definitely i was there like opening day so all right i'm uh i'm i'm in i just

got to make sure it's showing in my area that's all so i'm sure it still is right yep it is yeah yeah yeah you guys recommend 3d for it um the animation style almost made you feel like you needed 3d glasses at at some points in the movie but okay I personally, I don't do 3D. After a while, I'd take the glasses off because it kind of fucks with me. Right. But I don't know, to each his own. But for me, I just went regular.

Well, the better time, I'm looking at it right now, the better time for us to go is like just regular 2D. So it sounds like it'll still be just as good, right? Yeah. All right. Yeah, it'll be a blast, dude. Okay, cool. I got my Monday plans then. Cool.

All right. What else, Brian? That's it. Is that it? Yeah, a bunch of holiday horror movies. All right. Nothing really special to bring out. Well, I'll just skip really quickly over my, my cool of the week is I finally started season three of Deadwood.

Okay. Because they've announced, I think like September of next year or something like that is when the movie's supposed to come on. HBO. Okay. So I'm like, all right, that's cool. I was holding out. I was going to try to wait until it was closer to the movie time, but I'm about three episodes in.

That show's addictive. Are you into Deadwood Art? Yeah, I got, I don't know why I fell off, but I got two or three episodes in the season two, and I don't know if just something happened. But yeah, I was into it when it was going on, when his wife was coming into town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that part where his wife's coming in town? Got a little awkward with the situation.

Yeah, yeah. His little arrangement he had going on. Right. Yeah. You ought to pick it up again, man, with the movie coming out soon. I will. To tell you the truth, I can't remember. I was enjoying it.

But I think I know why, because those episodes are dense. They're like, you know, sometimes I have to put stuff. Yeah. And when I want to watch it, I want to make sure I'm only paying attention. It's, I think somewhere along the line, I was like, oh, I'll just put something that's easy to watch while I'm doing stuff around the house. And I hadn't got back to it. I'll get back to it.

Yeah, considering when it came out, if you look at it, everybody who's at it has gone under huge things. Whether it be, you know, like other big HBO or FX shows or movies or whatever. But, yeah, it made a lot of careers. So, yeah, Deadwood Season 3, pretty cool. All right, guys. Horror headlines, Brian, you got anything new? The chilling adventures of Sabrina is already renewed for a third and fourth season. Have you seen that art?

No, man. I'm intimidated by the trailer. I was like, geez. I'm like, these guys went hardcore satanic on this stuff. I mean, look, at first, you know, they mix it up with that, I can't remember the name of the song on the trailer, but, you know, a little innocent. And then, you know, they show the,

whenever I see a goat head, I'm almost out. I'm like, oh, shit, this scares me, dude. Yeah, I'm kind of surprised AJ's watching it with me because usually anything having to do with exorcisms or the Catholic Church or devils or demons, she's like taps out hard. But I guess there's enough chick stuff in it to catch her interest. Yeah. But I'm not complaining.

It's a good show. We're probably like eight episodes in, so we get a couple more to go and then the Christmas special. Yeah, I just need to watch the Christmas special. But, yeah, season two is already coming in April. Yeah, they're not wasting any time. No, we're not. A little bit of movie news. A bunch of movies wrapped.

So I'm assuming we're going to get some trailers here soon. John Wick 3, Parabellum, has wrapped filming. Nice. Milla Jovovich's new, I guess, franchise. We talked about it before when Jack was on here, Monster Hunter, with Ron Perlman. That's rap filming. I don't know anything about that. Do you, Art?

No. Which one is it again? Monster Hunters based off the video game. No, no. So she's making herself the video game queen, huh? Yeah. Art, I'd like to get your opinion on this movie. A Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie has rap filming.

Well, you know, at first I was like, you know, I don't know how it got buried, but Warner Brothers said that they were going to take an approach to the worlds of D.C. with their movies. basically saying kind of like the shows like we're just telling like maybe one off stories or stories that are not interconnected so that sold me

on it right there that this stands on its own it's not going to have anything to do with all the other crap they have going on so I'm in I mean I'm I'm curious and a lot of people are up in arms because in the common books Joker's origin still hasn't been said he's been around since the late 30s

early 40s you know but you know take this interpret you know I used to be one of those you know when a common book movies first take was coming out I used to be one comic nerds that if it wasn't up to the source material I hated it but now you know there's so many their worlds apart just take the story for what it is and it doesn't have to be canon for you just you know just take it for what it is uh when I do get upset when start the movies affect the comics which doesn't happen as much as you think but that's when it starts getting a little annoying like uh for example uh you know obviously Disney owns all avengers stuff like that so they were

dogging out the X-Men for years. The X-Men were my favorite growing up, and they were like the Red Hat Stepchild because they didn't know in the film rights. In the comic books, they're just treating the X-Men like, shit. Mm-hmm. But now it looks like the X-Men are, they're trying to push the X-Men back toward the forefront. So that's the only time I care. But otherwise, no, I think it's going to be good.

Joaquin Phoenix has proven himself as an actor. And I'm curious to see what, you know, what they're going to say, set them off because there's so many different, you know, versions of what could his, his, his, his, origin me that I'm curious to see what they're going to do. Yeah, it's a good cast. Robert De Niro, Zazi Beach. That's one of your favorites, Lance. Yeah, she'll be on a list next week for sure. Okay, gotcha.

Francis Conroy, Mark Maren, you know, that's a good cast. Oh, Francis Conroy is in it? Yeah. The fuck, who does she play his mom or something? Yeah, rumored to be his mom. No shit. Yeah. So she's the one that fucks him up, huh?

Well, we'll see. Possibly. Okay. It's good cast. Yeah. And the last movie that's wrapped filming is Annabelle 3 has already wrapped filming. And this is the one where they're going to have the warrants in it. Uh-huh.

Okay. Interested to see how this one goes. They kind of showed up in the nun. They had sort of like a little one-off where they were like doing a classroom presentation or something. Yeah, and the nun might be showing up on one of my lists. Oh, yeah? You're top ten. Maybe.

Maybe not. All right. I guess we'll see. Did you like the nun? Silence is deafening. You know what? Give me a second there, Lance. Hello?

Okay. You there? Yeah. Keep me a second. I'll have to fix something in my head. I'll be back within a second. I'm sorry about that. Okay.

I'll be here. I thought that was his answer to the nun. I thought that was his answer, man. we'll come back to art real quick Guillermo del Toro's scary stories To Telling the Dark gets a release date August 9th Which I'm excited for this

I used to read the books when I was a kid I don't know anything about it Is it anthology? Yeah it's anthology They're like little short stories And they creeped me out when I was a kid And to have Guillermo del Toro be basically

taking charge of this movie because I know he's not directing but he's they said he's heavily involved in this movie I think it's going to be really good and possibly I think it's going to be one of those movies adults won't enjoy as long as

and so with the kids so cool and our last little bit of news is James Juan is we talked about Milo Jovovich doing franchises. James Juan's no longer attached to the Resident Evil reboot. He has dropped out. I heard about that.

We have quite a bit of feedback about that when we get to the feedback section. Yep, but he is still attached to do the train to Busan remake. Now, I'm not a big fan of them remake of this movie, but... Right. I am interested to see what James Wan does with it. Yeah, it's almost kind of like, why bother, though? I mean, it was such a good movie on its own. They're always doing that.

Like, that French movie Martyrs, I've never seen it, but I've heard that the French one is really sadistic and brutal, and then the remake is like real, I don't know, kind of cheesy. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, one movie that's going to show up on one of my list next week. Right. Terrified. Yeah, have you seen that one, Art? No, I haven't seen that one. It's an Argentinian.

I don't even know if I said that right. Argentinian. Yes, thank you. I keep hearing about this movie. Yeah, I really enjoyed it, and I guess it caught the eye of Guillermo del Toro, and he is going to remake it. Already.

Another one of his millions of movies he's going to make? Yeah. Yeah, another other. You know, added to the list of movies that possibly might not get made because he has too much shit going on. You just can't say no. No, he can't.

Lance was asking you about the nun. Have you seen the nun? We saw the trailers. Remember, that was like the big thing, the YouTube thing? And then I have it. It's not the season. We actually finally saw the Halloween movie, but I can't convince my wife to watch The Nun. So I have to try to sneak that one in by myself sooner or later. Well, it's not that scary.

I didn't hate it as much as Phil and Brian did, but, I mean, it's definitely not going to be my top 10 list by any stretch, but it did really well. It's like one of our top 10 downloaded shows ever, Brian. Yeah, I don't know why. That show was a little bit of a mess. Well, I think my wife has the same problem that AJ for you has Lance as this one. When you start mixing in the religion, they're like, I'm out. You know what I loved growing up was the prophecy series.

Remember the prophecy series? Oh, Christopher Walking. Yeah, I mean, I saw that in theater. I think the first one was like NC17 or something. It was something like that. And I, yeah. And I was like, oh, I was so into that, but it walks a fine line. It is because, you know, at least growing up, I was like, oh, man, this could really happen or not happen, but it has, it touched, it hit a nerve with me that it felt somewhat more realistic than, let's say, Halloween or Friday, you know, 13th or anything like that.

Yeah, more realistic, huh? Yeah, at least to me it did. I got you. That's why I can't watch the goadheaded Sabrina, man. Right. And there's a lot of that in there. I picked up the nun on Blu-R. I've been meaning to give it a re-watch.

Because, yeah, it just, I don't know, it just didn't, it didn't work for me when me and Philip talked about it. But I gave it another go, maybe. I never would have thought you would have bought the nun. Blu-ray after the way you guys talked about it. Well, I don't know. I'm kind of a completeist when it comes to my movies. It's part of that whole Conjuring universe. True.

So I own that shitty-ass first Annabelle movies. Yeah. Okay. Point made. Yeah, that's it. That's the news. All right. Well, in that case, guys, let's take a little trip.

Men in Black International. This is starring 10. Tessa Thompson, Chris Hemsworth, Rebecca Ferguson, Liam Neeson, and Emma Thompson, and this is directed by F. Gary Gray. What did you guys think? Well, if they're going to do it and change it up, this is the way to do it, you know?

Yeah, I mean, they got two good leads. I mean, those guys have really good chemistry. I mean, I don't know what it is about Tessa Thompson. I like watching her and anything. She's just kind of adorable, so you can watch her and anything. I agree with you. 100%. Yeah, I mean, it's just, I don't know, it's not like raw, you know, sexy. It's just something about her, you know, and her energy. And then you got freaking Thor and it. And then they've had

good chemistry from the, from the movie in Thor Ragnarok. So I'm down to see this. And it looks like more of a different take, you know, than the continuation of the Men and Black series that, you know, my kids sound like, oh, we want to see this. Like, okay, cool. You know, we'll check it out. My wife's kind of a diehard, M.I.B. and M.I.2 fan so she don't like it. Yeah. I'm in. I was like, if they're just like rebooting the whole thing all over again, forget it. But then I like the way on the trailer it said, you knew about the group in America, but did you know they were international? Yeah. All right. Now that explains it. So I'm in. Well, shit, they should be intergalactic.

That's the next one. That's probably the next movie. Yeah, it had me at Tessa Thompson. So I'll definitely check it out. This one is scheduled for June 14th. Cool. And our final trailer we're going to talk about is a little divisive here as Hellboy. This is starring David Harbour, Milo Jovovich, Ian McShane, and Thomas Hayden Church. And this is directed by Neil Marshall. This is up to you two because I haven't seen this one yet.

Um, me personally, I'm a big fan of the first original two movies. I don't know. There's something, something off about this one. I don't know if it's because it's not Ron Perlman. Hello? Yeah. I said, uh-oh. You're not so sure, huh? Yeah, I don't know if it's because it's not Ron Perlman or if it's not done by Guillermo del Toro. I don't know. And I think the tone, they went with the wrong tone for this trailer. They're kind of going to go deadpull-y. Yeah, because the movie's supposed to be a hard R.

They're going more horror and violent. And this was the complete opposite I got from this trailer. What? Like a comedy or what? Yeah, it's more geared for the comedy. It's set to Billy Idol's Moni-Money. Okay. I mean, it seems like a fun, good time.

Like, there's nothing, if you don't know anything from Hellboy, it might seem like it's a good time. But Hellboy's a little more shit. He does have some humor in there. I'm not a diehard Hellboy fan or nothing like that. But it's like, yeah, I don't know if this tone meets the source material. But also, I know people that actually love it and stuff like that have not. have not said good things about it. So we'll see.

I mean, the production looks good. That's the one thing I can't say about him. I was like, oh, wow, it looks pretty fucking cool, man. It looks like they didn't, they did not skimp out on this fucking budget. Yeah. And there's a character from the comics they're going to introduce that they never got to. And the first is, uh, what is his name? Lobster Johnson, I think, is that his name?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he has his own series. It's on. I don't know if it's still going, but it went on for a long time. Yeah. that's going to be played by Thomas Hayden Church. He was Sandman in the third Ramey Spider-Man movie. Right, right.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm going to watch it. This didn't make me not want to watch the movie. It's just I just felt like they just went with the wrong tone. Yeah. And I know a lot of people, I've been reading the comments on different websites and a lot of people. It's very divisive right now. Well, it's just the first trailer, right? Yeah. That's true.

But the movie's coming out of April 12th, so not too far away. Right around the corner. Yeah. Trying to compete with Captain Marvel and the Avengers and everything, huh? Oh, yeah. It's not going to, it's not happening because that, yeah, they moved that Avengers movie into April instead of May, so. But, uh. See what happens. Yeah, it might be on the docket, so April 12th, and that is our final trailer.

We'll dive right in. You guys were talking about the James Wan stuff with Resident Evil. Yeah. All right, regarding James Wine's decision not to produce the new Resident Evil, Beatrix Harper said, we don't need a remake of Busan. We need a reboot of a degenerated franchise. That was the main reason why I was following Wines and involvement. When the announcement was released, I was genuinely pleased.

And Marcus Will Turner chimed in with how ironic. The re-reboot is where his talents are needed the most. So naturally, that's the one he departs. Ugh. I was incredibly stoked that he would bring the horror back to the franchise the way it was meant to be. And now he's got in all caps. Ugh. Watch. I bet they pick one. someone who knows nothing about horror or Resident Evil to replace Juan.

And then, of course, the conversation goes on from there, but, you know, we've only got an hour and a half here, so you'll have to join the Horror Returns Facebook group to continue that one. Yeah, they had a pretty good conversation going there. They did, they did. Regarding our Mike J. Marin interview, Stephen Lobelad says, Awesome interview. I'll be looking for the smudging Blu-ray when it becomes available.

And Patrick Lear, a great interview. Nice to finally hear Mike on the show. That's been a long time coming for sure. Yeah. Regarding the Justin Xavier interview, Bart, have you heard this one? No. You guys put out a lot of content. I try to keep up with it.

Patrick Lear says, always good to hear from the boop. What does he mean by that, guys? Cradley booper. Yeah, I heard he looks like cradley booper. Regarding Joe Hill's Nospharatu, Ryan Stevens says that book was so damn good, I'm excited for the series, and I have no idea what this is.

Neither do I. Nope. It's going to be a new AMC series. That's all I know. And then Patrick Lear in Memorium says, so glad to meet Steve Dash. Last year, he was an interesting dude, RIP sackhead.

and then of course Patrick had to chime in will escape room be the next bye-bye man of 2019 I don't think so no I told Patrick the trailer is already better than that entire movie well Patrick redeemed himself he went on to say wishing a Merry Christmas to the horror returns crew

uh... Merry Christmas buddy Lance Brian Phillip Jay Gene Nez and the new girl Melissa Stevens May you all have a blessed holiday And then a picture of Chuckie So Yeah, we love Patrick, right?

Yep He's alright He's okay No, it was a blast to meet him in Chicago He was a real cool dude All right, well, thanks Patrick For everything, man And then Stephen Loblad has to say,

Welp Since there isn't any photos of you guys together I can't doctor you guys up But Merry Christmas So That guy with his crying Jordan faces quick with those.

Have you seen those art? Yeah, man. You can bust that on anything. That's the funny thing. There's always reason to bust that out on something. Well, Lobled's the master of that one. So thanks to everybody who reaches out to us. We love your feedback and ideas.

And you know where to reach us. So it's time to jump into featured attractions. You guys ready? Just do it. All right. going to start out with Deep Rising, and they're going to talk about the new DC movie Aquaman.

Some trivia on Deep Rising, director and writer Steven Summers, also known for the Mummy and Odd Thomas. That's a strange combination. Yeah. You guys seen the original Mummy, right?

Yeah. Who was in that Encino man, right? Brendan Fraser. Those are fun movies, man, the first two at least. First two were fun movies. The third one, Malaya. Was the third one like the one with the rock, the Scorpion King or whatever? Yeah, I guess, no.

What's the third one? It's the one where he has his son. His son's growing up. Is that Scorpion King? I don't know, but that sounds terrible. Or he has a, Rachel Weiss is no longer in it. She's no longer the wife, I forget. But, yeah, the first two for sure were funny, though.

We're a good time. That, what you're describing, art sounds very direct to video. I think it might have been. No, I think it was like the last throws of that franchise. Right. The death throws, huh? Yeah. All right.

Well, on Deep Rising, Harrison Ford turned down the role of Finnegan. Good move. After that, his budget got downsized. You know what's funny? I kind of watching the movie, I was like, man, they're really going for Han Solo here. Oh, dude. Don't get me started, man. I was getting mad Hans Solo vibes.

I was like, and now I read these notes. I was like, oh, crap. Like, okay, I guess there's no way Harrison Ford would spit out that many one-liners, though. I don't know, man. Pay him enough, he probably will. I don't know. The guy, I don't know. We'll get into it, but it was pretty interesting.

Are we going to get into it, you think? No, no. We'll discuss it more, is what I'm trying to say. All right. And one other thing before we jump in, because I can tell you're eager, Famke-Janssen's character, Trillion, is named after the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy character of the same name. Although here Trillian is her actual name, and Hitchhikers, it's short for Trisha McMillan. Did you guys know that? No. I tried to go pretty deep cuts on that one.

All right, so Deep Rising Art, you're our guest. man uh you want to chime in first yeah sure man i was like i i look when you guys sent me this movie i was like 1998 i was like wow i never i don't even remember hearing this i was thinking i don't know i was thinking deep blue sea or so then at first when i first read the the title and i'm like oh okay let me check it out and i looked it up and saw the trip's like nope i have no memory of this movie whatsoever you know and i was in high school around this time so i was like i should at least know about this movie so uh i got into i watched it and i was like holy shit i was dude it's like it's kind of weird because it's you can tell the production's there the

even you know you said that the production you know they they they half the budget because Harrison Ford was going to be in it but you see like the set when they first show you that set or when they come on the on the on the on the cruise ships like god damn that's a set you know that there's no way around that that's a fucking set and I was like cool but but yeah and then all the cheesy one-liners and we're going to get into fucking pantucci the most annoying fucking character I've fucking seen

a long time oh my God I could not stand this guy and I don't know who had the worst he had the worst one-liner

Joey Pentucci the the grease monkey the ship's mechanic oh you know what you know what dude the minute I saw that guy

speaking of the nine lives I knew it I am I right because he's got tall but he's like lurchy and he's got the baggy shirt

and whatever fucking thing he was wearing on his fucking head I was like he looks just like our buddy Denny man my long hair am I right I look a little like Daddy

almost freeze frame the the picture and put it and put it in the binge group man all he did do is talk about socks and we would have been it had been on dude but this dude was so fucking annoying

but Denny's not no Daddy is the opposite of noise, very charismatic, very engaging. This guy is like, he's like the most interesting man in the world type guy.

He's, he got stories for everything, dude. Right. But this fucking Puntucci guy, oh my God, he was just, I was like, I like, you know,

when they first show him, like, okay, you know, I could tell he's going to be that kind of the comic relief, but like, it's just that nonstop, annoying,

you know, we went into the movie, you know, they hire, it's this, I forget the name of the crew. Like,

what was there, you pay the fare we don't care or something like that I forget the name of the cruise so they're like you know some smuggler type you know they don't care just pay them and they'll take you wherever you got to go

and it's like these group of mercenary guys that you know you're obviously like prototypical badasses you know you got like fucking all these fucking badass mercenaries and then you got this dumbass fucking mechanic because it's like hey man he's leave them alone

but he just can't leave them alone and looks into her cargo and finds out they got these fucking missiles and they beat the shit out of them, I think that's my highlight of the movie because I looked into it too. He wore pads. He actually, that was him getting beat up.

He wore, yeah, I forgot where I read that earlier today. He wore all these pads and he got the shit bait out of him for that part. No wonder that scene looks so good, huh? Yeah, it looked like, holy shit. Because you feel a little bit of sympathy, but then you always think back to because I had to see this movie in two, three parts because I've been busy.

so I was like man I wish they would you know they should kick the shit out of this guy some more dude but uh it was just you know the cheesy factor I didn't get you know it's just you don't expect the level this level of cheese and cornball one liners with the the set production that they had you know it was like wow you know they spent some money here it's like and it was really well done all the all the practical effects were awesome you know yeah gore factor was there this this fucking I forgot what they called it was or Othio or whatever the hell the name of the monster was or whatever the creature they called. Yeah, yeah. And like you said, dude, there were some pretty good practical effects in here.

But make no mistake. There were some really 1998 fucking CGI in here. Oh, yeah. That last one where they blow over the shit, that was like, come on. Why would you ruin it like that, dude? Like you had everything going for you. The monster looked cool. All the dead corpses everywhere looked cool.

Yeah. I really like the bad guy because he was like a chicken shit. shit bad guy. Oh, no doubt. Oh, the main guy? Yeah. West Study was the act. West Study is the, the actor's name.

He's been in a lot of shit. Yeah, he's been a lot of stuff. He was freaking, you know, I love it. You know, like he's as a, you know, one level, you know, two dimensional bad guy, which doesn't hurt everyone. It's all. I just have a two dimensional bad guy. But he just, you know, there's a part where they drop him on top.

He jumps from the cruise ship onto that ship. you're like, uh, uh, you know, they're not, you know, there's no redeeming qualities about this guy. And then when he, when he told, uh, the other guy, he told, he told, he told Denny, he said, Hey, Denny, I don't have to outrun the monster. I just have to outrun you. Yeah, I'm like, fuck. I mean, the, oh, the, Denny's going to kill me after this one. Well, he can't come back at you. He's, he's never bringing that after midnight podcast back, so we'll see. Oh, wow. We're everybody, all kind of. of calling him out right now, huh?

No, but it was fun, you know, it's just, I think, I just wish that Pantucci, a little less with him, because you had enough cheese with Treat Williams, the main character, the captain, he was already spitting out the one-liners, like, you know, come on, I don't know, this is like, the script did not come up to the same level as the production value. It's like how they do this, man. Because treat Williams, yeah, like, he's like a soap opera actor or something, it seems like. Yeah, like, he was trying to be the poor, the poor man's Harrison Ford, right? Yeah, exactly.

I think at this time, he was doing all those shitty sequels to the substitute, because he did like three or four of them. Oh, no shit. Yeah. There's no excuse for that shit. I enjoyed it. It's a fun, you know, 90. It's definitely 90s for sure.

I mean, and I think you guys were talking about Harrison Ford. I think at the time this movie came out, they probably would have wanted like a Patrick Swayze or maybe a Kurt Russell or something like that. Oh, yeah, good luck. Yeah. That would have been a different movie. But I definitely enjoyed the look of the monster. It was very like Lovecraftian kind of look to it. You hit the nail right on the head.

and it actually for for all the gore there was it was pretty tame on the violence because all the gore and stuff pretty much came after right right and because you know the monster is always snatching people and taking them off screen and then you you might see like a spray of blood or something so it was pretty tame when it came to that definitely the the CG was definitely at some points not so good art you brought up the at the end with the explosion with that awesome jet ski escape. Yeah, we got to get speed and they go around. They lack the whole fucking inside of this shit. Miss the monster. Like, dude, why didn't you just back up a little? Not like go around the whole fucking shit. That score was something else too.

That main team they kept playing, you know? I mean, I guess they said we, you know, they said we paid for it. We can use the score of the whole fucking movie, man, because they played that score of the whole fucking movie. Over and over and over again. right? Yeah. And I do, what is the guy's name? The grease monkey guy? Punucci? Joey. Joey Panducci. Yeah, he was horrible in this. My wife caught a glimpse of this and she was like, why are they always hitting him? And I was like, just wait for him to say something. You'll know why. You'll get it. Yeah. You know what? Listen to him talk for five seconds.

I think Denny would have done better, would have pulled off the roll better, to be honest with you. Oh, easily. I don't even know if this guy's fault, but it's just that, I don't know. He just came off so annoying. He would have been killed way earlier. Well, he's kind of like that in the mummy movie because he was in the mummy movie. Oh, yeah. He's Imuteps like right-hand man or something, right? He's kind of the same in the end of him.

So maybe that's just how he plays character. I don't know. He plays, yeah. And that one, at least he's a bad guy. so you know he's going to get his comeuppance. And this one, there's the part where you think he dies. And I was pissed like, I wanted to see this motherfucker die. Like, that would have been a saving grace for this movie.

And then, spoiler alert for 1998, he fucking survives off of a fucking, like, get the fuck out of here. That's the most irritating thing. You're talking about the ultimate cock block, right? Oh, I don't get too much into it. I don't want to jump forward. People want to go back and watch the movie. right? Well, I don't know if you guys want to talk about that ending right now, but I had some...

Go for it, dude, this is a spot on... I was like, dude, did they land on Skull Island or something? Yeah, I noticed that. I was like, I'm like, I was like, oh, I was like, oh shit, they landed on Skull Island, this would be kind of cool. Yeah, I was in, man. I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm pretty sure that motherfucker can't survive too movie, so I'll pay to see the other one. Yeah, I mean, overall, I liked it. I think it, I think it

It worked for the time period. It came out in because if it came out now, it'd be a big budget CGI mess starring the rock, which I'd probably watch anyways. Yeah, it would be the rock now, wouldn't it? Yeah. That guy has time for everything. So, but, yeah, I thought it was a fun. I do, of course, I do own it.

It is out on a Blu-ray came out, a collector's edition. And so it looks pretty good on Blu-ray. So, you know, even the shitty CG parts, you know, it doesn't take away from it. And it's only that one part at the end, too, really. I mean, other than that, I mean, the practical effects were pretty good. Like you said, all the kills, most of them, not all of them were practically, all the gore was after the fact. So that was kind of cool when they walked into the, I think it was the ballroom with all the corpses in there. Yeah.

I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, and the few kills, you know, when the monster, the tentacle part pulls up and, you know, pretty much juices these guys, right? That's what he was doing. He was pretty squeezing all their liquids out and spinning out the rest. That's a different take. That's actually pretty cool, you know? Very cool. Yeah, I did like the scene where they shot open one of the tentacles and one of their guys fell out.

Oh, that was awesome. It was like dissolved. Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it had good effects. What did you think, Lance? first time watch for me

and all I've ever heard about this movie is how fucking over the top and cheesy it is it's like I think I put something on Facebook and somebody's like oh you're watching it oh man hope you make it hope you make it all the way through

you know and that kind of shit I kind of love this movie I mean I really kind of enjoyed it quite a bit I mean it had everything you'd want to have it's like a it's like a second rate blockbuster movie, if I can describe it that way.

It's definitely not down to the level of like, you know, sci-fi network or something like that. And it's definitely not up to the level of Raiders of the Lost Ark or whatever, but it's like somewhere in the middle. But I don't know. I mean, what did it not have? You know, it had a great team. Kind of like reminded me a little bit of predator or something like that.

So it had like really over the top, like you were saying, our two-dimensional bad guys that were fun to watch them get picked off as they pull stupid mistakes over and over again. It had a great, you know, Cthulhu type HP Lovecraft monster. Famke Jansen looked beautiful in it. I mean, she definitely wore that dress. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, this was right after she was a Bond girl in Golden Eye.

About the same time, huh? Yeah, like a couple years after. I'll tell you what, for 1998, this is a really good movie. I enjoyed it. I'll definitely watch it again. Next, I watch it on YouTube, so next time I'm going to, actually I watch the first half at home on HBO. And it looked pretty decent. The second half, I really don't feel, you know, right rating the tentacle CGI too much.

Or even that explosion at the end, because, you know, I watched the second half on YouTube at work because I ran out of time at home. No, man, I would I would give this a second watch for sure. Nice. So you guys ready for scores and stuff? Sure. What do you think, Art? I'll give it a 6.5, man.

It wasn't the worst. But it's just, if they could have just fixed like that script up a little, like you said, they had all the pieces, all the, all the production stuff was there. Famer Janssen's character, the bad guys to the most point they were good. It's just, if they could have worked on There are two Mel leads.

If they worked on Treat Williams, the captain and Paducci, I think it could have been way better, dude. Especially, they didn't feed that captain that many one-liners. Because you can't have two guys giving one-liners, you know. There's that part when Paducci, he's going to leave, and they catch that other bad guy, the mercenary guy, and he gives him the gun. He's not, don't ever say, I never gave you anything.

I was like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Come on. Oh, like, shut up. And then he tries to shoot him. Yeah, and then he tried like, hey, you know what? I applauded that. Like, good. He still tries to shoot his mother.

He's like, I still want to kill you. So if they could have done that, it could easily been a seven and a half or eight. Because, I mean, like I said, the kill scenes, the monster, all that stuff, it's memorable. It's like, oh, you know, I wouldn't mind putting this, you know, it's not that gory for the kids. You could put that in the background. I just, you know, big, oh, ooh, and all moments. But, yeah, that's the only thing I would fix. But, you know, I'm pretty sure to the people that love it, that's part of it's stronger, though.

Cool. Yeah, I'm with you, Art. I'm going to give it a six and a half. You know, this movie, when it came out, was a financial bomb. But I can definitely see why it's a cult classic now. It's a fun watch. It's definitely a throwback to, you know, cheesy 90s action kind of horror mashups. So, yeah, six and a half.

Yeah, it really tried to be that, didn't it? Like, it really, it really tried to be like, you know, like one of the crazier John Carpenter movies of that era or something like that. Or even like, it even had Spielberg aspirations a little bit, I thought, you know? Finally, they had Kurt Russell. You know what? Yeah, Kurt Russell or Harrison Ford, either one, would have fit right into this, you know, and would have knocked it up big time. But, yeah, I'm going six and a half as well. I definitely two-thirds loved it, no doubt.

And now that you guys are talking about like the opening act that they were showing inside the ship with like all the gambling and the entertainers and the guys playing the drums and shit, that was just fucking awesome. Yeah, that was a cool scene, man. Like I said, they had a lot of extras. I mean, they had all the, you know, craps, tables, all that stuff. Like, hey, man, I was like, oh shit, this ain't a cheap, you know, movie. I mean, they went all in on it. Unfortunately, they cheat out maybe on some important parts, you know? Right.

Yeah, it's not what I was expecting from what I was led to believe. So, yeah, we all recommend Deep Rising. Yeah. All right, so now we're going to move on to the newer movie, Aquaman. Director James Wan, also known for The Conjuring and Saw. writers here we go David

David Leslie Johnson McGoldrick Will Bill Jeff Johns and James Juan how many of those

names are actual real names you think Brian I know Jeff Johns is he's a big time

a comic book writer for DC he's actually like the most I'd say fan favorite of

he's probably what has brought the resurgence of DC comics back if you can point to one creator

it'd be it'd be Jeff John yeah he has his hands and pretty much any property that's been on screen, big or small, on the TV. He's had some dablings. I think he took a step back. They gave some title like Creative Officer, but I think he might have took a demotion or took a step back or whatever. But Jeff Johns is like a fan favorite, at least from the comic book world.

All right. Well, Jason Mamoa admitted to playing pranks on all of his fellow cast members, except for Nicole Kidman. I'm not going to fuck with the Emmy winner, right? I mean, you're messing. And director Juan cites the adventure films Raiders of the Lost Ark and romancing the Stone as influences on the film.

Probably Deep Rising too, right? Shit. This movie's like a fucking mishmash of so I got Lord of the Ring vibes out of it. Game of Thrones. You know, they throw bastard like nothing. My mother's bastard. My mother's, you know, they throw that like nothing. the one true king

you know I thought they were about to call out a king's moot there for a minute I thought they were gonna give us what we missed on the TV version of Game of Thrones almost when you go to Atlantis it reminded me a fucking episode

what was it episode one or episode two Star Wars when they fucking Jar Jar Jar Binks close visits fucking his people or whatever down there so I got that life that's right that's right you might have just put my rating down and then I got

when they show Alanis it reminded me oh gosh i'm blanking on that movie what's that movie uh like the one with that mechanical owl the mechanical owl back in the day they remade it clash of the titans yeah i got clashed of titan vibes when they showed you know at alanus before we went down right and then this movie was a lot of things dude it was like a lot of there's a lot of influences is good or bad and we'll get to the score and the music later too oh no yeah it's just all over the place. Yeah, what did you think, Brian? You know what? I enjoyed this movie.

I really did. Jason Momoa was definitely not one of the things I disliked about Justice League. I think, you know, I can tell he really enjoys playing this role, definitely. And

I thought the action was good. I thought the look of Atlantis and Art, you kind of brought me down with the episode two references, but I think everything looked really cool. I think everybody, to me, you know, I had fun. Everybody

kicked ass in this movie, and I don't know, I might be a little weird, but I just want to see Amber Hurd have that look. She just came out to water, like, all the time. I mean, that's the one thing, D.C. Nell, they have the hottest two stars in any comic between

Jason Mabo and Averhurst. Like, there is no one, you know, you get throw Captain America and Black Widow, they don't hold a handle of these two in this movie. They're like fucking on fire, dude. It was just insane. Like, holy shit. She was not, you know.

I love that they kept a look of Black Manta from the comics. Oh, yeah, yeah, with that helmet. That was really good. I liked his whole progression from when we first meet him until, you know, we'll get to on spoilers.

Right. Um, you know, we even got Jango Fed up in there as, uh, Aquaman's dad, you know, bringing it back to the, to the prequals. Yeah. And did you guys, uh, did you guys? They also talked about, uh, uh, the customs, dudes. That, that, that's giving me Star Wars two vibes right there. When, you know how they were going to leave in the, uh, when, uh, Amber Hurd gets Jason, Aquaman and leaving, so, don't know, we had to go through customs.

I'm like, what the fuck? I got to talk about trade negotiations later, too? What's going on here? Right. Yeah, like the original trilogy, right? Or, I mean, yeah. The prequel, I'm like, what's going on here? Are we having to battle over trade routes and stuff like that?

Now that you mentioned it, there was so much prequel influence here. And Lord of the Rings influence. And if I could Game of Thrones influence. What did you think, Lance? I will say that I went into this movie desperately wanting to shit all over it, as you well know. Yeah, we know. Couldn't quite get there. I had a blast.

I'm glad I saw it in 3D. Oh, you saw it in 3D? Yeah, I did. The time that was available that was perfect for me was the time for 3D. And I was just, in my opinion, this was like easily the best graphics

of any movie this year. Like, to me, this is this year's Valerian and the city of 1,000 planets. They went all out with that CGI, man. They had dinosaurs, cracking. What did they not have, right? Yeah, let's just say, what's it? Yeah, I mean, just spit it out.

You're right. They just had anything under the sea, you know, I'm not going to seem the Little Mermaid song here, but anything under the sea that you can imagine they had anything above the sea. It was just, I could, that's the one thing I could have. Holy shit, they got so much going on. And yeah, you know what? You know what else I loved about it was that every,

every scene, no matter where you were looking on the screen, there was something going on on one of the other four corners of the theater screen that you weren't paying attention to. Then if you were to go back and rewatch it, you're like, oh, fuck, I didn't even catch, you know, those two having that, you know, side battle or whatever while that was going on. There was actually some scenes that, when they were like just on Earth, not even, you know, with all the psychedelic under the sea shit. But there were some scenes like in different countries on Earth,

that were super impressive in 3D. I mean, I just almost felt like it was inside a virtual reality world. It was really well done. And you were talking about the score. This may be my favorite score of the last couple of years. I just love the music in this. A lot of people thought you may not, but I really enjoy it. I love the electronic music.

The actual score, I do agree with you, but then when they threw in like, like they had that pit bull. Yeah, I was going to say pit bull in the desert. I'm not really talking about that. I'm talking more about the actual musical score. It was really electronic bass and a lot of keyboard and synthesizer heavy. Yeah, yeah, because... Like when Black Manas showed up in his first scene and just the real intimidating heavy bass sound.

It just was shaking the whole theater. Yeah, and then there was at times when they were under the sea. I think it was when they were in... What's her name? Mirror, like her little ship. some of the music almost kind of made me feel like it was a throwback like kind of 80s sci-fi yes absolutely so i thought that was pretty cool yeah uh but yeah i i i will say i enjoyed it a lot more than than i thought i would i mean the story is the story good no no the story's terrible i mean they try to cram too much into the movie dude i know i know bryan you say that black mantle was your favorite but i think they could easily done without

because he didn't do anything at all. I didn't think the actor's performance was that great, but his presence was like, he's like, hey, this is a bad motherfucker right here. If he could somehow get on the same level power wise with Aquaman, he'll have a fucking real fight on his hands. But, you know, the beginning sequence and the sequence where he comes back, it's like, that's like 20, 30 minutes,

because that's the one big thing I have against this movie. It's two hours and a half. It's too fucking long, man. Yeah, no doubt. If you could, you could simplify, that's the problem this DC movie is they try to stuff too much shit in their movies. If you could just simplify it, left, you know, maybe have a Black Manta scene at the end, you know, something to give us hope or want us come for more. Because like, you know, it's, I don't want to give him away, but when he's no longer in the movie, like, okay. But he, he's, his presence, that dude, like I said, his presence was awesome.

that's the one thing I kind of had to grab up against because you remember he made that first helmet that was more that was more tied to the comics and that's the one thing I've grown to like a lot of this stuff from that was really fucking came straight from the page other than Jason Mamoa's you know

character portrayal like Mara was like right mirror like everything was almost really you'd be holding to the comics like that one's one of the things that does it not to me doesn't transfer over very well from the comic you know that big old helmet but I mean I'm pretty sure they get streamlined a little but I mean that that that's the other thing that his crew like like the Power Ranger crew of bad guys that's another kind of little drawback I has like you know this looks kind of too corny all right well you guys ready for scores so we can spoil it I'll go I'll get this like a soft seven I liked it it it was not I didn't go in with very high hopes I like Jason Mamoa I mean he can't help but the guy you know you could tell he's a good name your guy and he goes into it with his

awe and he wants to have fun the budget was there obviously but it's just too long and they try to put too much stuff in I think it was you know the more I guess you know this is this is a character that needs a lot establishing because you don't know

not many people know Aquaman I'm a comic fan I know somewhat of them but I think that's the one big drawback I have so I give it kind of like a soft seven I'm pretty close there I'm gonna give it a seven and a half. I kind of came in here. I'm the opposite of Lance. I didn't want to come in and shitting on it. I wanted it to be good because for DC, I think when they do their solo movies, I think those are the

best movies than when they do their ensemble cast. Okay. I like the action in it. I totally, I totally trust James Wan and everything he does. I do have some hangups. I will talk about it. spoilers, but overall, I like Jason Mamo in it. Mirror was, Amber Hurd was hot as shit. So, yeah, seven and a half. You need to get her and Harley Quinn in a movie. I don't know what the story is about, but we'll figure that shit out later. Yeah, we'll figure that out.

Lesbian love affair would be fine with me. But yeah, it's, we're, guys, we're spot on tonight. Art, you were a little lower than us on this one, but I'm with Brian on seven and a half. and it has nothing to do with the script or the story. A lot of the characters were pretty, I mean, like way over the top. I thought Mamoa did a good job, but yeah, what sold me on it was the graphics, the special effects. Again, this is a movie that I'm really glad I saw it in 3D because it was really an immersive experience, kind of like Avatar or something like that.

Um, but yeah, like, I, I, I love the score. You guys maybe not, not liked it as much as I did, but I, it kind of, it, it, it reminded me of what the, the new Tron movie kind of, like, tried to be. Yeah, I, I think we were talking to mostly when they tried to insert a pop song. Yeah, the songs. Well, the one they, the song they played in Italy was pretty cool in that, in that scene, I thought, like that old school song, but I couldn't tell you what. Oh, yeah, the Italian song or the 80 song. They had a, like, they had like two 80 songs and they had, they had like two 80 songs and they He had like a Pipple song. Yeah.

So speaking for the score, I love that. The electronic sound and the, you know, the heavy bass and everything. But, yeah, seven and a half. I was not dissatisfied at all. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. I'm going to get into my Oh, I'm sorry We're diving below the surface All right All right I'm gonna get in

We don't get the bins I'm gonna get into one of my hangups Okay you got You got this scientist Played by Randall Park Who everybody thinks is fucking crazy Because he's always talking about it Atlantis and stuff like that

Why is it so far fetch that Atlantis is real when you have an alien from Krypton. You got a guy that dresses up like that. You got an Amazonian. You know, you got all this shit going on. Man, that's a good point. Yeah, it was a little weird.

And then another thing, I meant to go rewatch Justice League. Because when he meets up with Mirror and they have that scene where after the title wave, she helps save his dad. And then he says, I don't even know you. I don't even know your name. Right. He never, they didn't know each other from Justice League or? I don't know.

I mean, I got a role. Supposed not because remember they say, you know, you have to, you know, you guys know what's going on the world. I think he mentioned something about how they just saved the world from, they mentioned Steppenwolf. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So they mentioned that. So that, that has transpired already as in him and Mary know each other. I don't know because she just comes out.

It's kind of, that's awkward. She just comes out of the water. Yeah, but they met in Justice League, though. Yeah, they did be in Justice. I remember that. Oh, I forgot that part. Yeah, it's, it's been a while, huh? Yeah.

It's run together. Well, you know, after 26 episodes of five different C.W. shows who can't Yeah. We're trying to keep the DC lineage accurate here. Yeah. I was not expecting to see Ivan Drago in this movie. Oh, gingery and... I thought he was fine.

he was, you know, for what he was doing, you know, he didn't, he didn't do too much in the movie. It's not like, I actually like the other bad guy, King Orm. Oh, Ocean Master. Yeah, I thought his, I really liked his costume design, dude. There's that little part where he's wearing that mask and his actually has facial features. Like it moves. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool.

And I was like, hey, that's, you know, and it's crazy silver and purple. I don't think I would like, but it's like, this is fucking pretty badass fucking. I didn't buy him, you know, coming, meaning, you know, being on the same level as Jason Momola physically wise. But obviously, you know, that's the magic of movie making. But his portrayal was awesome. I was like, okay, cool, you know. Well, they did explain that in the movie that he was at that point no match for him underwater. Because he trained all his entire life to be a warrior.

Yeah. So I did like that little because I was with you. I'm like, you know, Jason Momow fuck him up real quick. Right. But they did kind of throw that in there. Yeah. I'm just like, why did they go to all these different kingdoms under the sea? Did they really have to throw that all in?

And then Art, when you talk about the fucking dinosaurs, actually when that scene popped up and they came out under the beach and they were like dinosaurs there, I literally just started laughing. I'm like, what's going on? You're going to throw this much shit into one? two and a half hour movie? It reminds me like a video game, dude. Like every time they go to a new scene,

it's like the kingdom of the lost sea or something. Like when you enter a new level, I was like, wow, this is kind of weird. You know, and not bad. I mean, I guess it's a good way, like, you know, because they were all over the place. This is the CGI, I'll give a bit of like, wow, that big, big battle scene when he comes up with that creature from the sea.

Like, holy shit, dude, they have that. They had the Atlantean and all the other kingdoms versus the last, the pines or the brine kingdom i was like wow dude like that that's and that was at the end they still had all the other stuff you know when they went into the deep in the trench that was pretty fucking badass all those fucking creatures yeah yeah i love that claustrophobic vibes right there's like okay this is fucking pretty cool right here yeah i love that scene when uh they were at the whatever you guys were talking about where all the the the creatures were chasing them yeah and they They were scared of the flare.

I love the scene when they dove into the water, and you just saw how many there was chasing after them. So you're saying they were afraid of the flare. I was trying to figure out why they would need a flare because they established earlier in the movie that he can see in the dark. Well, it was for the... Oh, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead.

I was going to say it was for the creatures because they were always in the dark. Okay, that makes more sense. You know, wherever they was from. I expected to see the lobster jump out from, from the Little Mermaid and start playing some steel drums and shit. That would have been cool. There was like some little mermaid Easter egg somewhere, you know, because we keep saying under,

every time we say under the sea, I'm playing the damn, I hear the damn song in my head. So, but I mean, it wasn't, it was just like two hours and a half. I had to take my boys with me.

And they sat through it, but it was like two hours, if they could have streamlined a little, maybe set up. Black Man. I mean, I'm pretty sure they did set them up for the next movie. But it was like, you know, I guess they're just trying to kill two birds with one stone, get his origin story out of the way.

I guess so. If they do make another movie, because that's another thing, the DC, you or whatever, Wonder Brothers DC, they're in fucking No Man's Land, man. They got nothing going on. They already said there's no plans for a Superman Batman movie. I think they're pushing ahead with a Backgirl movie. I think that's done. Oh, Backroll's done?

Yeah. What's his name is out? What is his name? Oh, is Josh Leed? Yeah, he's out. They have birds of prey. That's going to be, supposedly Margarobie's supposed to be producing it or help producing it. Okay.

And that's supposed to be like Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, it's maybe Huntress. But they're, I don't know why. It seems like they're trying to go more for the female version. But I was like, you know what, don't get wrong. That's fine. but DC is built on Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Why wouldn't you have, you know,

to just flat out say we have no plans of making any movies at this time kind of undercuts, it's like saying, we don't plan on making any more Iron Man movies. Like, even if that was the case, why would you say that? You know, because Tony Stark's like the heart and soul of the Marvel universe, you could just, I don't know, these, Warner Brothers, it just, as a DC fan,

it just, it pisses me off so much. Like, why would you, you guys, You guys have some of the most recognizable characters in the world, and you guys can't help but drop the ball. Can't get it right, can they? Well, as a DC fan, I got two questions for you. First, if you are an executive at Warner Brothers, do you keep Henry Cavill?

I love Henry Cavill, dude. That guy's got untolds amount of charisma. With or without the mustache, though. Exactly. I mean, have you seen The Man from Uncle? No. Oh, that's a good. That's a good.

That's a good slick, dude. I wasn't super impressed with it. He was great. He was great in Fallout, Mission Impossible. It's more along that, man from uncle's kind of like, it's set in the 60s. It's from the old, old-time TV show. It's a fun time. My kids actually liked it, you know, it's like bam, bam, bam, a lot of action.

And then, like, you said Fallout. I'm like, look, he played a badass in Fallout. You bought him. This dude is believable. And he has charisma. It just, they don't know. I mean, I don't want to be one of those guys that keep jumping on Zach Snyder, but obviously his movies have a.

dark tone to him. Superman is not that. He's a beacon of hope. And, you know, that's why you have Batman. Superman's the opposite of Batman. And that's why they put in the comics and they have playoffs so well, all each other. The ones like pessimist,

one's the optimist, you know, the yang and the yang. And that's why they get along so well. So you don't need two brooding, you know, characters. Superman could, you know, you saw a little bit of that in Justice League, you know.

When he came back, you could tell that that's a flawed version of that movie. It's because you can tell there's two major influences in it, you know? so yeah i i i i i i dig henry cavilla superman all right second question who do you cast as batman you can you're you're the executive it's your call you can have anybody you want see that now we're in a i think they screwed the pooch on this one dude

they came out guns blazing for some reason to say we're gonna not make a 50 year old no i'm not it's just the way it is a 50 year old guy be batman ben affleck well in that is the way this Yeah, if you think about it, when you sign off from these franchise things, you're in it for like at least 10 years, you know, three to five movies. So you're talking about the end of your run. You're 60. Right. You know?

Yeah. So I'm of the idea of getting no names. Get a, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head. But I would get a no name actor, not a name brand and build him up. First of all, it would be easier financially wise because you can sign this sucker, this dude up to like a three, five picture. no problem because he's died of the chance to get it desperate to get the deal right yeah and then you get the if you get a famous name like ben affleck that's all people see it's ben affleck as batman you don't i mean it took you a while ben afflick was a good bad man but i mean remember when we all first heard

it's like oh my god ben he he played it but it took a while if you just go into a movie like to say i don't know who this guy is he's been you know supposedly he's a good actor that's it that's all you know boom you could just go out go right into the movie so i'm always of that opinion of get a uh uh uh uh not a name brand. You don't need to go out, you know, get a huge actor because that sets you back in so many ways. This guy's going to demand a bigger contract and then he has more influence in the script maybe and stuff like. Kind of like what happened with Ben Affleck. I mean, he's, you know, that's the whole thing that happened with him.

He wants, you know, I don't know the particular supposedly they promised him that he would be able to write direct his own Batman movie and then they said no. And then, I don't know, he got all upset and now we're looking for new Batman. That was a good idea. No, I mean, it's one of those big headline, you know, they didn't look down the road. They didn't think that one out. You know, they wanted the big headline to compete with Marvel. And then it came back and bit them in that as huge, you know. So that's what I would do, Brian.

You know what? The characters are what sell the movie, not the actors, at least in superhero movies. The superheroes have long been established. So you might as well just get, you know, a good actor that's serviceable to the role. Yeah, Warner Brothers, we got somebody to run your D.C. department over there because I'm definitely liking your answers. And I can do it cheap, too. Yeah, sounds like a lot better idea than what they've been doing. Yeah, it's just that this is a thing, man.

DC, you've seen it in, you know, they had Man of Steel and then they had, you know, Batman. They try to cram what Marvel did in whatever 10, 12 years into three to four movies. and it just, it was not happening. I'm not a fan of suicide squad. Suicide squad did pretty well. But, you know, but it did pretty well. People liked that movie. I mean, you know, how many people did you see Trieste the best Harley Quinn or even that shitty-ass

joker design or Deadshot? You know, people would like that movie. Why isn't there that movie in production or already out already? It makes no fucking sense. That should have been out a year ago, huh? Yeah, exactly. It's like, what are you guys doing? You actually had a movie that.

did financially well and you're not you know like uh i have not heard anything about i guess james gun is attached to it but that's it i mean so what we're two years out from a fucking suicide squad movie at this point you know we're looking at 20 21 22 like makes no sense dude i mean i i i don't know what they're doing over there at warner brothers i i just it makes no sense to me mind mind numbing huh yeah all right well yeah art thanks for coming on man um hope you guys join us again or I hope you join us guys again pretty soon. Yeah, no, thank you guys for having me. It's been, you know, I love to listen to you guys all the time. Even when you have that Gibroni Pedro, I know Big Jay, he's got his own thing with the Saddle Up podcast. It's, I call him Big Jay, but it's

funny. I'm actually like four inches taller than him. I just calling Big Jay because, yeah, oh yeah, Jay's kind of short, dude. I'm like way taller in Jay. But, you know, I'm the shortest of all, so I'm the only one in the show that's allowed to make midget jokes, right, Brian? Okay, I don't know. Jay's not a midget, but he's always kind of saying stuff. I call him Big Jay just to mess around with him. I got you, man. Yeah, well, if we wait until the next DC adaptation shit,

we may not see you for six or seven years. You got Shazam. You got Shazam coming up in April. Oh, wow. Of all the things they could make a movie of, right, Art? Well, you know what? That character has some charm to it, but he is just, even in the comic books,

he hasn't had a steady run. Hey man, my my boys love that trailer. Yeah, my daughter is my daughter is definitely into the movie. Once they saw that floss, it was over. Yeah, exactly.

All right, well, as always, we want to think you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. Be sure to share your feedback and ideas either through the Facebook group or the Facebook discussion group or Twitter or what else, Brian,

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The longest contest ever. He said don't call it a contest anymore. So just basically write a fucking review on iTunes and we'll send you a t-shirt. Yeah, everybody, it really helps us out, you know, getting our name out there, especially on iTunes. Yeah, basically the holdup, the only reason the two or three people that we owe

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and they're nice shirts I have one myself thanks dude well next week it's our annual best and worst of the year and uh Brian this year we're doing top top and bottom 10 yep all right Run down how next week's going to go down.

Okay, we are going to do our best, top ten best of the year, our top ten, or top bottom. However you're going to. Yeah, we do, you know, we don't do a lot of throwback movies that we match up with the newer movies. We're going to pick our favorite that we've done this year, favorite TV show, and we are also doing our horror hall pass. list. You know what that is art? I got an idea. Will Mirro be on it?

Mine's going to be a game time decision. My list has been changing. I know Lance, you got different lists and different categories, so I'm very interested to hear your list. All right, I'm ready. Bring it on. You guys are crazy. All right, so until the horror

returns again, Brian. Good night. Thank you.