The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #16: The Blair Witch Saga: The Blair Witch Project (1999), Book Of Shadows: Blair Witch 2 (2000) & Blair Witch (2016) (Reupload)

Episode Date: May 19, 2021

This week we talk about all 3 Blair Witch films with our friend Jay Black. Thanks for listening!

Greetings, listeners. You have found the horror returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal is to explore how our perceptions of fear

remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. Although we always do our best to avoid spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when discussing anything that's been out for at least a year.

The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. Another episode of The Horror Returns. As always, I'm Lance with Philip and Brian, but guys, we have a special guest for you tonight. Our buddy Jay is going to be with joining us tonight, and It's going to be a very different show. We're going to skip the usual trailers and news of the week, and we're going to go right into three really, I guess, pertinent reviews

because there was a little movie that came out today called Blair Witch, directed by Adam Wingard. We've talked about it before. Shit, I might be on the wrong show. Could be a little bit of a rougher show than usual, guys. We're going to do this one really fast and try to. I bring you guys the news while it's still real pertinent because the movie was just released today. So, Jay, how's your day been, man?

It's been, it's been a roller coaster, actually. Took the day off, had some business with the wife and things, and then I got to see the movie early today and can't wait to get into it. Cool. So, Brian, how was your day, man? Tiring. I had half the day off. so I slept.

Yeah, I know you were working all day, right? Yeah, dude, I came straight from work. But I had a couple hours for you to go see the movie today. So maybe that happened. Oh, and I accidentally shaved my beard this morning, so that was not awesome at all. Yeah, I want to know how you accidentally shaved it here. Start trimming and you fuck it up, man.

That's what happens. You try to get both sides even out before you know it? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You're down to a number two. It was a. It was a mistake. All right, and everybody, regular listeners of the show recognize our mascot here.

The way. I do. All right, so we're not really going to cover, like I said, no trailers or news tonight because we do really want to jump into the reviews. I think we're all pretty pumped up about, haven't seen the movie. But, you know, we at least cover what we've seen for the week that's been cool.

We'd do at least our cool of the week. Sure. You guys agree? Yeah. Brian, I know you've, I think you've been checking a lot out this week as usual. What stands out for you? Yeah. I checked out the sequels to the, we did a review on Psycho a few weeks ago.

So I checked out the two through four. Yeah, I saw that on Facebook, dude, that you were watching those. What do you think? Any good? I really enjoyed the second one. Somebody said that was the best set series. Probably Marcy. Yeah.

No. No, I wouldn't, I don't. Yeah, I think she might have said that. But after two, after two, it goes downhill for me. Wow, well. Now, isn't three and four kind of like a TV, safe for TV versions? Are they real movies?

I would say four is more TV and four is more like a prequel kind of shows you how he was with his mother and isn't there a TV show on now that's supposed to get? His first kills and things like that but I would still say the second one is

yeah you get one shot at a sequel after that it's going to suck there's no third movie that's been the best in the series ever no no no I don't think of it I can't think of one I can't I can't have one off the top of my head

because there's not one yeah yeah I would have to think about that one what about you what about you Jay would you check out man what's the coolest thing you've seen this week oh I haven't seen much this week just I've been working so much this week the only thing I've been catching up on

is just some TV shows non-horror-related, Ballers, Vice President's Principles. That's about it. I did do the review of the two Blair, the first two Blair Witch movies, and then the movie, and that's pretty much all I saw this week.

It was a really slow week for me for watching things, but a really heavy week on work-wise. Yeah. Understood. Are you still liking Ballers? I like Ballers for what it is. So here's my, here's what I think Ballers is. Ballers is like a regular.

NBC ABC sitcom with tithes and cussing. It doesn't push the envelope on acting, on characterizations like HBO or Showtime normally would. It's just a silly sitcom, but you know, you get to cuss and you get to show titties in it. Yeah, because I was

really liking it. The thing they have, that's any different than anything you're getting on prime time. So I like it for what it is. Yeah, I was really liking it, but it just seems like, it just seems like nothing's happening now. The characters, for the most part. You know, the guy gets his dream job three times, and it's just, I

don't know, it's a little silly, but I enjoy it. And it's one of the, the few things that I really like the rock in. I mean, I like the rock, but his acting skills, he's like peaks and valleys for me. And one thing, like Ballards, he can be great, and something else, he could be just the worst actor in the

world. So, and these are the, this is the, this show, this is one of the times that I really like the rock in. So, I'm, I'm enjoying it. Yeah. Okay. How about you guys? Man, I hadn't watched a whole lot except the movies. I did. I finished up the Daredevil series, and it was awesome.

Hello? Huh? Can you hear me? You still there? Can anybody hear me? Yeah, you'll have them clear, man. Hello? Oh, there you guys are.

That was weird. Sorry about that. Oh, my God. It was completely blank for a second there. I thought I was just talking to myself. You know what? We're good. Brian, you're still there, right?

Yep. I already made the announcement at the beginning. It's going to be a rough show, folks. So hang on. Put on your seat belts and just hang in there with us. Did you guys hear me the whole time? Who there? Yeah, loud and clear.

Okay, I'm glad. Yeah, because you... Okay, sorry about that. So anyway, how do you guys like the ball? How do you guys like ballers? You know, I hadn't seen ballers, but I finished up the Daredevil series, which was awesome. Oh, yeah, definitely. Trying to watch Jessica Jones.

I'm sort of getting into it, but it's not as good as Daredevil, man. That was a really big show. I'll disagree. Yeah? Have you gotten to the third or fourth episode? It's definitely picking up, man. I think I'm at like the third or fourth episode. Have you seen where they go into the police station?

No. And the Purple Man controls the minds of all the cops? No. Okay. It gets good. It gets good. It gets good. Yeah, it's a totally different, different.

show from Daredevil. I don't know if it's Punisher good though, man. That is a bad fucking character to add into the mix, man. I really enjoyed that a lot. He was one of the best things of that series. And a lot of people say they didn't get enough Punisher. I think we got just enough Punisher because if you get too much Punisher, then it overkills it. And then I understand he's going to get his own show. So you don't want to get too much right now. Let that character develop himself out somewhere else. So I really like the limited amount of time he got here. I thought it was perfect. I'll absolutely agree with you. I liked that I wanted more, you know? Exactly. Exactly. Yes. That's that's about it, man. That and watching the movies and working.

Yep. Yep. Same here. Well, Jay, I've never, I've never seen a single episode of Ballers. Okay. I know my wife watched the first season and she seemed to be enjoying it. But let me get, let me put this in perspective. She's a huge fan of network TV. Uh-huh. And from what you just described about how this show is, I don't think I'd get into it. So basically you're saying it's no breaking bad, huh?

Not even close. Yeah, I'm going to steer clear. I kind of made a commitment that I'm not going to watch anything that goes over 13 seasons anymore. I mean, 13 episodes per season. I'm starting to like the 10 episodes, 12 episode season. Because when you get into something,

you know what? I did, I forgot to mention there is something that I am watching, and I've been just watching like an episode of here or two at work. You know, when I have my lunch and all that, is Enterprise. Now, I'm a big Star Trek guy, and I know Lance, you're a big Star Trek guy, and I've never really gotten into Enterprise. And I just started it two weeks ago, maybe. All right.

So I'm knee-deep, and I think I'm about halfway little over, halfway through the third season. you're halfway through the third season of enterprise already yes that's where it gets really good all the storylines kind of become one the season becomes one continuous storyline at that point exactly yeah yeah it's like one long story they're going after these guys who did something to earth and yeah they're going to go find them if they already cut florida in half so to speak oh yeah yeah yeah that happened at the beginning of the season yeah enterprise enterprise is awesome dude when i my current uh because of course I've seen all the Star Trek shows at least twice.

But in my current incarnation of rewatching everything, I started with Enterprise this time. Okay, so are you going to do the chronological order? So you can do Enterprise, Original, and then, what is it, Next Generation, Deep Space, and then Voyager, right? I've actually got a checklist, and as I watch each episode, I check it off the checklist. So not only am I watching all the TV shows in Chronological Order, but the movies as well. But you're organized on top of it. Yeah, super. Look at that.

Yeah, yeah, definitely Enterprise. But you know what? The new series, from what I understand, is going to really, really, really throw me for a loop because apparently it happens between Enterprise and TOS. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. And you know what?

I got to tell you, I'm not seeing all the hate for this show. I don't get it. I don't know, man. I mean, I'm going to give it a chance. Anything Star Trek and Brian Fuller, the guy that's, I guess, the showrunner. I've never seen anything he's done that I didn't like. Oh, no, I was referring to Enterprise.

It's like the show that it's like the worst, supposed to be the worst Star Trek series out there. You know, there's a lot of people who don't like it. No. I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. I agree with you, dude. Who the hell is saying that? Oh, if you look at the line

and you say in, you know, reviews and stuff, of course, I think everybody gives the original series a little bit too much credit. I get it. It's the foundation and all that. And I was just talk with somebody who didn't really know a lot of Star Trek. But I had a question for me. I said, okay, if I showed you a picture of every major character from every show, most people can get the original series.

You know, everyone who's Kirk and Spock and all that is. But if you showed a picture of all the major characters from every show, I don't think anybody would come close. I'm thinking anybody even know whose enterprise is. So they'll say, oh, that's the Quantum Leap guy. You know, no, that's not Quantum Leap guy. but yeah talking about macula huh

yeah yeah exactly but yeah no I'm enjoying it I really am enjoying it cool yeah well we were talking about our or my personal commitment not to watch full 24

26 episode seasons anymore what about a fucking horror story anybody watch that one let's get to that later let me talk about what was actually cool I watched this week okay that.

All right. So anyway, I haven't seen it yet. My cool of the week, guys, is I'm going back and watching season two of Salem. Oh, okay, cool. Have you guys seen that or heard about it?

Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, it's on the USA Network, and season two has Lucy Lawless in it. Oh. And the original season had, basically it was a witch that runs Salem. It's kind of a reimagining if what if witches really did exist in Salem.

them. And so basically you've got the religious right fundamentalist that... What if they did? It's certainly possible. But the way this show does it, it's really funny because they totally fuck with the fundamentalist right wingers. Because they're like

burn the witch, burn the witch, and the people that are telling them to go burn the witch are the witches. Yeah. And they're telling them to burn people that are fighting the witches. Yeah. Oh. But now that we're in the second season, Lucy Lawless has showed up, and she's battling the witch who pretty much runs Salem,

an actress named Janet Montgomery. She's really hot. They're both sexy as hell. Big time. Lucy Lalas still pulls it off. So Lucy Lalas, she's the witch hunter? No, she's the competitive witch. She's competing against the one who's running Salem.

She's trying to kind of take over. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, the witch hunter is, well, there was a, a witch, a witchmaster general, so to speak in the first season, but he didn't make it to the second one. There's not really... There's not a witch hunter per se, but it's

kind of a love-hate relationship. The love interest of the main witch is actually also trying to hunt her down now and kill her. You remember all that, Brian? Yeah, season three is about to start here in a couple of weeks. I feel like it's been forever since this show picked back

up, man. Well, there's a lot that goes to the show. It's well shot. I like it, man. I've been a big fan to say. I've got to give that a shot. Yeah, and the good news is it's only 13 episodes

a season. Oh, that's great. So, Brian, you were or Jay, you were going to say something else? I don't know. I thought somebody had something else to bring to the table. Oh, you fucking asshole, Philip. AHS. I haven't seen it yet.

Every fucking year this show gets It's fucking worse and worse and worse. And now we've got a goddamn real-life documentary bullshit, my Roanoke nightmare. Are you fucking kidding me? Does that what it is? Jesus Christ. I don't know.

I haven't seen it, man. Why do I still watch this show? What do you guys think? I didn't see it at all last season. But I'm ready to pick back up on this one. Well, I know you've seen the first show, right? Yeah, I can't really judge it off of one episode. But, I mean, I didn't hate it.

I didn't love it either. Well, I kind of hated it. Did you see it, Jay? Which one is this? The new American horror story, the one that was Wednesday night? No. See, the last one I saw, I think, was the Witches. Was that season three?

Good. Good on you, man. Good on you. I haven't seen anything past season three. You're fine. You're fine. Every season. Actually, the Witches was kind of like half-assed, in my opinion.

I agree. I think the first season. I think the first. two seasons were brilliant. And after that, they've just fucking stumbled. But that's just my opinion. I want to hear what you guys have to say. For the first season, I remember I binge-watched.

I'd probably watch all of that in one week. Season two took me like two months to watch. But I really enjoyed it. I just, it took me so much time to get into it. It, sometimes it had a little bit too much going on because you have the alien thing going on. And then you had the whole, the whole. the whole psychic ward thing going on,

and then you had the serial killer going on. And they probably, they all tied in at the end, didn't they? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Except for the alien part, alien part was a little off, but if I remember,

Craig, it's been a while since I've seen it. But even without that too much going on, I still enjoyed it way better than season three. But like you said, season three, like you said, half-assed,

and that's what stopped me from getting into four or five? And what are they on six? Is this six now, or is this five? Six. Yeah, I don't even remember it anymore.

I remember there was one about a circus. Oh, and then there was the Lady Gaga the Hotel. Okay. I saw like half of the circus one. I didn't watch the Lady Gaga. I heard it was really good. I mean, it got a lot of talk about it, you know? You didn't like it?

I didn't even get into it. I hated it. To be honest with you, I feel like I get kicked in the balls because the first two seasons were so good. And then the witch season was kind of like, okay. And you know what? It might even be that that season was shittier than I remembered, but I really wanted to love it.

I gave them a little credit because of the first two. But guys, they've lost me, man. But you know what? Like a dumb ass, I'm going to keep watching it. Well, but I think the cool thing that American Horror Story has going for it is that each season is a totally separate story. I like that a lot. I did too. I wish the shows would do that.

That kind of goes in the one of, when we get into Blair Witch, too. I'm going to kind of go into that. with the whole concept of it. They really knock it out of the part, that concept with everything is different. And the fact that you get a lot of the same actors, Jim, just playing different parts. Man, I love that. I absolutely love that. So, consensual-wise, I think these guys are doing a lot better than a lot of other shows,

who are a lot better than they are. But just consensual-wise, they're great. Yeah. All right, cool. Well, so that covers what we've seen. I think before we get into the talk about the Blair Witch. Brian, wasn't there, like, one announcement you wanted to make? Uh, was there?

Well, we were talking about the Texas Frightmare weekend. Oh, I could not pull anything up on that. I'm sorry. Tell us about it, Lance. Well, you know what? I just happened to have an email here. Just happens. Because I'm on the mailing list.

So Texas Frightmare Weekend, in case you guys don't know, it's one of the biggest horror conventions every year. and the big news is that the entire cast of Rob Zombies 31 is going to be there. Some of the people you may or may not know, Richard Brake plays Doomhead, but he also plays the Knights King and Game of Thrones. That's the big badass that...

Oh! The fucking ice zombie, basically, the master one? The badass Whitelocker. Ice Darth's Mall? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. EG. Daily, a lot of people know her. Meg Foster,

we've talked about They Live. We've talked about Meg Foster in great detail. But the guest that excites me the most is a certain Mr. Malcolm McDowell is going to be in attendance. What has Michael McDowell been in? Oh, come on.

Well, I'm looking at his face, and I know who he is, but if you're just listening to it, dude, I'm bad with names. I'm going and I'm taking my clockwork orange poster to be on the ground for sure. Wow, dude, that was a long time ago, man. I didn't even recognize it from that. So anyway, that's the big announcement. Are you guys ready to get into the meat of the matter here and talk about Blair Witch?

Yeah, I was just about to say real quick. I will be checking 31 out tonight. Oh, it's on VOD now, isn't it? Is it? Yeah. You can get it on iTunes right now. I know what I'm doing this weekend. Yeah, you know what?

I wish I was going to be here next weekend so we can do a show on it. Yeah. We already did kill her clowns, so we can't do that. We'd figure something out. What's that other clown movie coming out? There's so fucking many. Clown Town.

Yeah, Clown Town. That was the one. I don't know when it comes out. Dude, I'm interested. I'll watch it. All right, well, let's talk some Blair Witch, bitch. All right, let's do it. All right, who wants to go first on the original Blair Witch? Hmm. Don't everybody step up at once.

I know, right. Look, all right, I'll go. I think this movie is revolutionary. I mean, obviously, it invented a whole new genre of horror movie. And I think... Well, technically, Cannibal Holocaust did. Oh, Cannibal Holocaust, that one. Fucking, who knows what the hell that is?

Yeah, exactly. I've ever heard of it. The marketing scheme was fucking... brilliant. You know, everybody, when that movie came out, everybody thought it was, it was a big question, is this, is this real? Is it for real, real? Because it looked like it was

real. And then the way that they shot in the movie made it look like it was real, you know? And that's part of what made it really scary. I remember going to the movies, like to the theater to see this one. And driving back through the woods on the way home

and creep the fuck out, man. And me and the two other dudes who went with me were both scared of shit. It was it was a scary fucking movie, man. And I know it got super popular and anything that gets that trendy

sometimes catches a lot of shit. But I think this one really held up, man. I think it was a really, really good movie. And I really enjoyed it. This is absolutely one of my favorite horror movies. I watched a Blair Witch at least once once a year. I have my certain traditions. I have certain

movies, certain things I do once a year, and this is one of my Halloween traditions. I absolutely love the Blair Witch Project. Like you said, besides this cannibal, whatever, it did start a whole new general of found footage movies. Not only did it start it,

it's still the number one. I don't think anything in the found footage realm is better than Blair Witch. Nobody has even passed it up. So they started it and they they started at the top and they stayed at the top. Yeah. And most of it had to do with really it's the how real.

And that that was the question, is it real or is it not? But because it was so real, the characters were so real. I mean, all the actors used their real names, right? Yeah. I didn't even know that. I believe they used all the real names. And it was. And when you read about it too, they,

a lot of the stuff that you see on camera is them really reacting to what's really going on. So in a sense, some of it is sort of real. I was thinking, I mean, because the acting was incredible. I mean, that stuff looks real. That's how you would really react to this stuff, you know? Exactly, exactly. And, you know, the director and the writer, they did stuff to scare them. And I think they said they didn't get the game hardly any food.

And they kind of sent them out on their own. So it was kind of like a, it really was a student project. movie. And you can really see this and you could really see the emotion in these people and the frustration. Now, come on, Jay. How much of that is real? How much of that is real and how much of that bullshit is hype, dude? Come on.

I would say a little bit. I mean, the motions, when you see the frustrations between the actors, I would say some of that is probably real. Absolutely, dude. I totally agree with you. I think that the reactions were all just on point, man. They were, that was,

if you're in the middle of a scary movie and the middle of the woods, that is how you would react. That's why everybody thought it was real. Exactly. And you never heard of these actors. And you didn't see them on TV shows until much later down the road, right?

But when it first came out, it was and then the fact that these actors, and you didn't have your cast, this person, played this person. And it wasn't everybody, even one of the persons that was, I want to say it was the cameraman. I think his name was Mike.

you know, the shorter kind of stout one. And when they interviewed his brother, I think that was like his real brother that they interviewed. You know, so you see the resemblance in his face. Yeah, he does look like this guy. Right. Totally is their real names. Yeah, they are using their real names.

You're right, Heather, Josh, and Mike. Mm-hmm. So that's, and yet, nothing has surpassed since. Nothing has. It's just so much realist. And then I remember getting the double tapes. So I was working out of video store. the time when that movie came out, I think it was a blockbuster video by the time that came out.

And I remember seen it in the movie theater. And then when it came out on videotape, I went and I grabbed it right away. And it was one of those, you guys remember those double tapes? Like JFK was a double tape. Yep. It was a double tape. And they had all these extra things on when the tape was like where they interviewed the guy. I forget what was his name.

It was something par. Something par was a guy who. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had an interview with them. And you can tell the video. video that they used. I mean, it looked like it was made from real old style camera. I mean, it really looked like, like, it reminded me of Twilight Zone, you know. They did a good job. Rustin Parr, he's the one that killed all the kids.

Yes, yes. And the whole interview, watch the whole, I got the blue right. I mean, especially if you've got it in your head that, hey, it might be real. And then you see all this extra stuff and you're like, holy shit, this interview looks like it really happened in the course and the guy's reaction and how he's talking. to the news person and you're like, this can't be acting. So it really sets it in mind. And any kind of movie that does that,

that actually questions the sanity of you or what's going on around you, what you're absolutely seeing, man, they succeeded. They're done. Well, and even all the little extras, like the lady with the kid at the very beginning of the movie

when they were like interviewing them. Oh, yeah, yeah. That looked like it was some real shit, man. Like, they just ran into some lady on the street from the town and they were interviewing her. I love the interviews at the beginning. That was my favorite part of that movie actually. And that like the redneck guys that were

fishing in the woods. Super real people. Yeah, it was super realistic, man. And that's, those are the scariest movies. Look at like the Exorcist. The stuff that that you think, hey, this might actually could happen. Oh yeah.

That's the scariest shit. Yep. Definitely. And just the reaction, even the people they're interviewing, their reaction. Like, oh, one guy kind of just kind of half-ass laughed, you know, like not laugh, but like, oh, man, I'm going to talk about this now. Yeah, it was, I loved it. I mean, it's a lot of people, they can't handle the shaky camera, makes them sick, or some people just don't move.

Well, they never showed anything. I was like, well, no, that's kind of, that makes it great, man. You don't have to show everything right away. That's why Jaws is so damn good. Yeah. I mean, just the threat of that thing that, where is it? You know, you're looking over your shoulder. You're looking everywhere.

Like, it could be anywhere. So it's, for me, it knocked it out of the park. One of my absolutely top, I would say top of a top five three horror movies of all time. I love it. I'm absolutely loving. I'm right there with you, man. Major praise, guys. Brian, what did you think, man?

Oh, I have not seen this movie in years. And then when I rewatched it, people might hate me for this, but it didn't hold up for me as it did before. Okay, fair enough. I was expecting that. The acting is amazing, because I do agree, you know, at times you do feel like this is,

this is really going on. Yeah, real naturalistic, right? Yeah, but as far as the scares and when they're in the woods and you hear the noises, it didn't have the same effect

as when I seen it years ago. Well, yeah. Fair enough. I mean, guys, for my part, let me set the stage a little bit because I want to create a picture of where I was when I saw this movie for the first time.

So it's 1999 when it came out. And in my opinion, that was the best year in film in decades. I mean, think about it, the Matrix came out. There were a lot of really good movies that came out in 99. I mean, this was

probably in my top five or six films that year. when I saw it and when I went to the movie theater it was I was really really pissed off when I got there I took my daughter to see it because she really wanted to check it out I was kind of like eh

I don't know I don't know if it's gonna be any good we get there a little bit late like probably five minutes into the credits or I mean five minutes into the trailers and we have to fucking sit on the fucking front row I'm like God damn it

I hate sitting on the front row I was real close to the front row when I saw it. By the time, I don't know, five, ten minutes into the movie, I love the shaky cam, especially sitting right there. I felt like I was in the goddamn movie guys. That's what I'm saying. I really, they have created a universe here that you can become a part of if you join in.

And I thought from the very beginning, I'm with you guys, it was extremely realistic. And I really love the interviews. That part at the beginning is one of my favorite parts of this particular film. And I do like the fact that they don't reveal too much by the time it's over. Upon rewatch, they did

get lost and they said, ah, we're lost, we're lost, we're going in circles. Maybe a one time too many. Maybe. It could have been cut by 10 minutes. Maybe. But I still, I think it holds up really well. But if that's what you're thinking about, man, I mean,

if you're, that's why it's so realistic. I mean, these kids look like they're really lost. in the woods and those are real interactions that people would have if they were lost in the woods right so not a polished Hollywood production yeah yeah yes yes look like it was found footage the way found footage is meant to be shot you know it looks like it was real shit that happened and they just found the tapes uncut and raw yep yeah yep good point well you guys have anything else you want to say about this one go see it again

If you get a chance, get the Blu-ray, get the DVD, watch the extras. There are so many extras on this that it really helps build that whole, like you said, there's a universe to it. You really build on it and you can appreciate a lot of it more, especially get your hands on that interview with that, was it Dustin Parr on his interview about, you know, the woman that told him, you know, take the, children and go kill him. It was a woman's voice. And he's just, he's so nonchalant about, you know, just, yeah, come on, guys. I mean, it's like, it's like I hear this guy, the warden talking to me right now

or the, you know, the guard, because he's in prison, I believe. He's in a jail. So it's like, like, I hear you talking to me. It's like how I heard her. I mean, it's like, why don't you get it? I get it. Kind of demeanor. So it's, it's definitely adds, adds really to the, to the whole experience. Yeah. Are you looking. I like to see that. That sounds like a big part of the tapestry. That's what Blair wish. Are you guys looking forward to the extended cut that they're trying to put out? I kind of am now, man. I hadn't watched it since I saw it in the theaters.

I've never watched it again until this week. And I went back and watched it. And, you know, nobody was fucking with me in the house. There wasn't a bunch of shit going on in the background. I was able to just get into the movie and do it. And, yeah, it was. really an amazing rewatch. If you really get into it, then I'm totally ready to go watch some extras.

Oh yeah, I'm down. I'm definitely down for that. So guys, out of the three main actors in the movie, because I think we could pretty much say that there's three main actors and everybody else was just kind of like doing interviews or, you know, on the side. There's one guy in particular that kind of stands out as sort of a big Hollywood player right now. Joshua Leonard. You guys remember Josh?

Yeah, yeah. He was the... Wasn't he the hippie? Yeah, yeah, the taller one. It was his car, and he's the one that went missing first. Right? Yeah, I think it was... With the longer hair and the...

Yeah, absolutely. Yep, yep. So he's been an actor. He has 78 credits acting. So that's kind of just the beginning. He's primarily a producer right now. and he's been involved with quite a few newer movies and stuff like that. He's been around for quite a while.

You guys remember Hatchet? Yep. He was in that and he was also one of the producers. I'm just kind of looking through here. He's been involved in quite a few TV shows, True Detective. Bates Motel, right? Was he in Bates Motel? Holy shit.

He's on the third season. He's on the third season. He just blew up fine, dude. As soon as I saw him, because I like Bates Motel, although I haven't seen the last season and I'm watching I'm like God what do I know that I try so hard to not go

to IMDB you know you really want to piece it together you want to try to put it together but it but I had to go to it I was like oh my God I can't believe that's Josh because you know he's a little thicker bigger beer and he's a little older but yeah he definitely was in Bates Motel

I love his character in the Blair Witch man I thought he was cool with shit like that's that's a guy I would hang out with so you do remember him then huh? Yeah, and the Blair Witch? Yeah. Well, I just watched the fucking movie, so... Well, I mean, I'm sorry, dude. I thought... I was wondering if you remembered him from, uh, from Bates Motel. No, actually, I, I don't. I knew he looked familiar when I saw him in the movie, but I didn't piece any of that together. I didn't think, oh, hey, he's been in a bunch of other shit.

He was a doctor, right? He was like, was he a psychiatrist, or... Oh, he is? Yeah, and Batesmo, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm looking at a picture of him updated now. Yeah, and he was, uh... somewhat romantically linked to Norma. Right? They had like something that could happen, not happen, or something like that for I remember.

Yeah, and then she did something crazy and he was like, yeah, fuck this. Yeah, exactly. So we've come full circle then, huh? And this guy. So obviously he's extremely extremely busy in Hollywood right now, no doubt. And the other two

haven't done fucking shit. I kind of like that, though, because it still gives a little authenticity to the movie, you know what I mean? All right, well, we got two more movies to review. So you guys ready for scores? Yep. Yeah.

Jay, you're our guest, and our thing that we do every week here is if we have a guest on, we let them go first. So, sir, you do have the honors, and we go on a scale of one to ten. One to ten, there is only one perfect movie for me. A ten out of ten, actually a twelve out of ten, so nothing comes close to that. So I'm going to have to give this the closest I can is a 9.5. That's right. Absolutely love this movie. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, before we move on, I got to know.

Yeah. What's your 12 out of 10? Raiders of the Lost Ark. Okay. That's a good choice. Nothing is better than Raiders of the Lost Ark to me. Nothing. I came home one day from work.

Sorry, sorry to interrupt. I came home one day from work during. summer vacation and I found my daughter watching right in the middle and she is 15 watching Raiders of the Lost Dark and honestly a tear almost came to my eye when I saw that. I was like oh my god

my 15 year old kid is watching she's oh yeah I love this movie like oh my god I'm so happy I can't always see that yeah that's kind of like me with my 10 and 5 year old grandda and how much they love Jaws. Oh, yeah. That's all.

Brian? I'm going to go with a eight. It does lose a little bit for me. I think it's just, I haven't seen it in a while, and the scares just don't hold up for me, but it is well-acted, and I'm going to go ahead and give it an eight. That's a great number.

That's an absolute. No, shit. I was kind of thinking the same thing. I was expecting like a six. Yeah, I was going to say, I kind of feel like an asshole now for what I'm about to say. Uh-oh. Oh, boy. Well, you know what?

When it came out, like I told you guys, it was one of my five or six favorite films of 99, which was an incredibly packed year of great films. Yeah. And when I saw it, I would have given it an eight. Upon rewatch, I'm going to come a little bit down to Earth, and be the usual Lance here and bring the party down just a little bit. Sorry.

But 7.5 is fucking solid. That's solid. That's a good score. That means not only did I love it more than I hated it, but I actually liked it three-fourths of how much I hated it. There were a few scenes.

Of how much you hated it? Well, I don't hate it at all. But what I'm trying to say is there were a few scenes where it got a little bit monotonous. Let's be honest here. I mean, like I said, when they got lost for the fourth or fifth time, and like you guys said,

it was kind of part of the realism of it, Philip. But, for nonetheless, I could have used about 10 minutes less. And you guys brought up before somebody mentioned the interview with the lady that was holding the baby. Yeah. And I swear to God, on rewatch,

that baby was looking at somebody who was queuing the baby what to say and do. I swear to God, I just got that impression that the director of somebody off on the side because the baby looked away from the mom and looked away from the camera. Maybe you're looking for it. I'm being nitpicky, I know.

Jesus Christ, but all right, 7.5 is fucking good. That's great. That's good. Man, I'm going to give this one a 9. I think that on rewatch, I was still super impressed, and I love how realistic it is. is and I'm not even a big slow burn guy like you are man but dude they slow burn the shit out of this and I loved it I loved every second of it I love when they got lost in the woods and it was

it was like real people getting lost in the woods and freaking out about it you know oh yeah and there was that conflict about who who stole the map and then he kicked that fucking map in the river and man it was it was all just just super realistic. It's probably one of the most realistic horror movies I've ever seen. And that's what makes it scary. Definitely. And the thing you said about the slow burn,

slow burn's work if you are invested into your characters. And I think that's what this movie absolutely does. As long as you're 100% on board with your characters, then a slow burn doesn't really feel like a slow burn. You're getting so invested and you're just kind of getting ready. You're getting pumped up for

that your adrenaline starts kicking in because you know that third act's coming you know it's going to punch you right in the face right yeah so so you you're with the character you're like okay i'm getting little frustrated like why why they always get lost why what's going on and i'm getting angry at this person and why is she so bossy and why she but you can see it's she's passionate for being wanting to be in a director wanted to be in film you can see how you can see how she pushes those guys that famous scene where she's like crying in the camera you know i mean it's it's when she does it, it's real. It's from a real place, you know? Yes,

yes, yes. All right, so that's the Blair Witch Project from 1999. So we're going to move on one year later. Look of Shadows, Blair Witch 2. Now, guys, this is one that it's going to be

pretty much three reviewers because I did not get a chance to rewatch this. And the last time I saw it, it would probably have been out for about a year. The only thing I remember was an extremely sexy goth chick. And really, and I,

that's the only thing I, I took away from this one, but, uh, yeah, she was pretty hot. I think, I think, I think this time, uh, uh, you guys, okay if we, if we let Brian get, get the party started on this one? Let's go. Um,

I actually like this one a lot better than I originally, when I originally seen it. Um, it is a different take on the story. It's not an, exact sequel to the Blair Witch, but I like what they tried to do here. It was a lot of creepy things going on where you wasn't sure if it was really happening,

if it really had to do with the Blair Witch or not. And I really enjoyed that whole aspect of it. What did you guys think? I'll go. The whole concept idea, like you said, it wasn't like a direct, it wasn't a direct sequel. It was a whole, like the first one. The first one was a completely different idea.

Hey, guys, we got a found footage type movie. And this is a brand new idea. Part two was the same thing. It was a whole new idea. Hey, we're going to take, no, it was really a movie. And you're really looking at it, again, from the audience's perspective. Hey, I just went and saw this movie last year.

I'm going to go find out if it's real. More people are going to come find out if it's real. they didn't treat it as a continuation of the story. They treated it as you. You wouldn't pay, you know, five, six dollars to go see this movie last year. And now you're actually, the audience is kind of a character in the movie now. Yeah, it's based on the people who saw the movie and. Exactly.

It's like what everybody wanted to do. And wanted to go to the town to see what was up. Yes, yes. And for that part, they did what they did with the first movie. And I think they got an A and they hit a home run is conceptual. Like this is, we've got a whole new idea. We're going to throw it out there to see if it works. For me, it didn't work.

It was a great idea. You talk about the goth chick, who was pretty hot, by the way. But are we, are we, wait, is it the goth chick or the, the chick that thought she was a witch? The goth chick, the, with the black hair, the white face and the black ones. They were both pretty hot. Okay. Oh, okay. She was absolutely the worst character.

Oh, my God, I could not stand her. It was so bad. I mean, most of her dialogue, it was just, it was a, here's someone who knows nothing about golf, and, you know, maybe they did a little bit of research, and it was like the most, one of the worst stereotypical versions of, I'm just going to play a goth chick. And that's how I took it. It just, her dialogue was bad, and, you know, when she would yell, F you and get out of my face and she wouldn't and she's two inches from a person yelling get out of get away from me and you and she just stands there i don't know

the acting was the acting was just terrible um the the sheriff was probably one of the worst parts for me he still got like a sore thumb it's like so over the top um oh no i've seen that crooked sheriff from a small town or something like that it was it was terrible yeah i kind of felt like the main guy was uh the for me. What was it, Jeffrey? The guy that was given the tours. Yeah. Because there was times he was just way over the top where when they were

convinced that the one, the one girl was the witch and he was just yelling, you're the witch, you're the, you know, it was just over the top. Yeah. And I did not understand his whole backstory. It's kind of like they showed you prior a year where he was and then like that was going to fit into the whole. They would throw little flashes of, you know. What happened to him in the past?

Yeah, which really had nothing to do with the story. I mean, the only thing it really did serve his purpose was to give a reason for the sheriff to not like him. Right. To yell at him. I mean, he yelled at him every time he talked to him. Yeah. It was just, and that was the whole point. And I don't know if you guys remember that actor.

Have you guys seen Fargo? Okay. Yes. He's in season two of Fargo. That's Dodd. Gearhart. Oh. Yeah.

That's. Give me a chocolate glaze. Yes. Yes, yes, that's him. Yeah. As soon as I saw him like, oh, shit, that's Dodd. You know, so he actually went and did better things. Although, yeah, he did.

He was, everybody was extremely over the top in this movie, I believe. Maybe except for the one who really, I didn't mind the most was the guy who was doing the documentary or writing the book, his girlfriend, the one who was like supposed to be pregnant and she lost a baby and all that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually didn't mind her. She wasn't over the top. She was acting pretty good, yeah. Not like stereotype characters in the movie, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Actually, she's really the only one. Yeah, I mean, the book writer, he wasn't really over the top. The only problem with him is it seems like he didn't even take his job seriously. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to go out and do all this research, but you know what? Instead of doing anything, let's go camp and get high all night. Yeah. Which, you know, there may not be anything wrong with, but it was wrong for his character. Right.

Yeah, you know what, dude, I completely agree with you on just about everything that you said on this, because I really loved the whole concept of the movie. I thought that was super cool. But yeah, man, it was, it was like 90s. It's the most dated of all of them by far. By far. It was so 90s. Yeah, it is so 90s. And, like, I mean, the guy, the main character dude, and he's got his, like, his baggy shorts and then like these, like,

white tights or something that he's wearing underneath it. Exactly. I noticed the same thing, yeah. He should have been in the band filter or something. And yeah, it was super over the top. Every character was really super over the top. You know, had it not been attached to the Blair Witch, then A, it probably wouldn't have been a movie. But B, you know what?

It might have, it might have almost been better. It was, uh, it was, you know, I don't even want to say that it was worth watching. It was, it was, it was almost there, you know? It was, yeah, the idea was great. The idea was there and execution was terrible. Yeah, the execution. Yeah, originally, originally this was supposed to be a different movie. Was it?

Yeah, it was supposed to be, uh, some kind of thriller that had to do with you. and they Yeah, they kind of re-re-did it to fit Blair Witch. So originally this was supposed to be a totally different movie. It was scream done with Blair Witch.

Yes. So they kind of did to us back then what they did to us telling us there was a movie coming out called the Woods this time, huh? Yeah. Kind of the bait and switch. This is like the Halloween 3.

or the franchise. Ah, yes. Okay. And also, there was never one book mentioned. Why is it called Book of Shadows? I don't remember a book being mentioned at all. I thought I was going to get something like the Book of the Dead from, you know, Evil Dead or something like that.

But not one book was ever mentioned. No book in the movie, huh? Yeah. The name doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, the guy was writing a book. Maybe that doesn't do with it. Well, it sounds like a bit of a mess. So, I mean, I'm, you guys are,

talking about it and I don't remember a goddamn thing except the goddick. Yeah. I do remember that. But she was like, you're the winner of the group of that. She was like way like over the top 90s god. I, you had to have that character in there. I remember she was super hot. Yeah.

I put it to you that way, all right? Yeah. So you guys want to give your scores? Jay, you want to go first? I'm going to give it a two. What? A two out of ten. And it's the second movie in the series.

It should get a two, right? And the two is for concept only, because everything else was terrible. I mean, every bit of it was terrible. So two for concept only. So you guys are saying it was kind of meta, sort of like the human centipede two. They were trying to kind of break the wall and everything. Okay, exactly like that. So when they took off the human centipede two, and they were like, well, we saw this movie,

and so now we're going to do this stuff. I don't remember any of that about it. It must be a really shit. shitty movie because I don't remember a goddamn thing. I knew there was a couple of the movies that had done that before, and yeah, that was one of them. So what's your score? My score? I'm not going to go a whole lot higher, man.

I'm going to say three and a half. I think that if, man, if you're really hard up for a movie and you're a huge Blair Witch fan, the concept is cool, and it's not super awful to watch, but it's not good either like at all it is it is super over the top and it's just it's there's a lot of cheese there's so much cheese

yeah I'm so constipated coming from a movie that's like zero cheese you know yeah damn yeah it's like the the the witch or the redhead the wickin she kept saying oh I'm a wick and I'm a witch

it was like it's like if you're in a room if you're working with somebody like who's a vegan you know yeah I get it's like it you're vegan i get it shut up you're a wican i get it stop bringing it up we get it we don't eat meat i just eat us i'm a vegan hey anybody want a beer by the way i'm a witch no animal product this was that chick yes she was like she's so over the top on being a vegan and i used to

or not a vegan or fucking we get the idea no no i used to date a girl that was Wiccan and she did the same fucking thing man dude every conversation that we had had to have something about her being a fucking Wiccan about it and it All right well we need we need to move on because this doesn't sound like it's going anywhere

Brian come on dude pull us out of the gun I'm gonna give it a three Oh fuck you didn't pull us out better man Yeah I mean there was a couple bright spots for me Like you guys had mentioned earlier The girlfriend of the guy who was writing the book or doing the documentary or whatever. I actually liked her turn as,

whether she was possessed by the witch or was just everybody going through their mass hysteria, I kind of liked her turn. Yeah. Very, very creepy performance, especially when she had that scene where she was glaring into the camera. But overall, you know,

the story was all over the place. Yeah. I didn't really think of it now, but there was no mention of no book. Yeah. So, yeah. It gets a three. Blair Witch's shoe of shadows.

I don't feel too bad about not re-watching this, but folks, listeners, fans of the horror returns. The moment you've all been waiting for, and I know you've been waiting for it. Blair Witch, the Adam Wingard film from 2016, we're going to go back to our guest, Jay. to get things started and get the ball rolling. All right. Did you see the movie recently? I have not. I have never seen...

No, I'm kidding. Yeah. I saw it today. I'm fucking... So what... So what... Okay, so a lot of movies, especially the third one in the film,

you generally go back to the first one, and a lot of them are repeats. This one kind of feels like that, but it also has an element. The concept. up element of part two where we're going to go out and see you know what happened is this real and that's kind of where heather's brother comes and you know taking like here here's some footage i found we're going to go see how real this is and it sort of it sort of borrows a portion of the concept

of the part two which i really enjoyed on that it was like okay the second one sucked i know but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna redo that yeah exactly so yeah i'm sorry uh jay not not to interrupt, but I'm going to interrupt real quick. Sorry. Here's the thing, man. On our podcast, we're famous for not giving spoilers on the new movie. Everybody who's listening right now, you're on the cusp. All our listeners, seriously, though, are on the cusp of a new generation here,

a new dawning of a new day. From here on out, we are going to give spoilers. But we're going to do it in the last 10 or 15. minutes of the show. So if you don't want to hear the spoilers guys, we're going to give you a fair warning. We're going to tell you we're done with our regular review and we've given our scores. Okay. Now we're

going to go into spoiler territory. So at this point, Jay, we're going to talk about the movie, but, you know, try not to spoil anything. Keep it light. And then we're going to give our reviews and then we're going to go spoiler fucking nuts. Okay. Okay. Cool. Okay.

Um, ho. Not going to, not going into spoiler. Um, hard, huh? a lot like the first one. There is, it's a slow burn. You actually, you get to, you get to know some of the characters a little bit. You get to dwell in kind of their psyche. And so it really kind of follows the pattern of the first one, which, you know, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Because you don't want to get a repeat of the same movie. Right. For this one, I honestly, I didn't mind it. I felt it was, I mean, you had, you had. you had the same thing going on. You had the same pattern going on as the first movie, but I felt it was warranted because when you have a trap, and you keep saying,

everybody keeps falling into the same trap or falling for the same trick. That kind of works in this scenario. So for the most part, it did work for me, even though it was very similar to the first one. And I, for this part, because I enjoyed, I understood what the story was about, I understood what these characters were doing, why they were there, where they were going.

It's just, it worked for me. All right, Brian, what do you think, man? I fucking love this movie. Yeah? This is, like you said, it's very similar to the first one, but I feel like it's amped up. Oh, yeah. The first one on steroids is what it fucking was.

Yes. And I thought I wasn't really going to get into the whole reason why they were going into the woods. but it kept my attention and I am definitely 100% an Adam Wingard fan 100% now

I will definitely go see anything he puts out from here on out I agree with you definitely agree with you I can see that yeah we've talked about Wingard before on the show guys he's actually one of our one of our darlings I think

from the past movies that we've talked about you're next. Yeah. And of course, you know, who could forget the guest. I think you guys

have both seen that, right? Have you seen that, Jay, the guest? I haven't seen that. I have not. No.

Oh, dude, it is a fucking masterpiece. It's a really great movie, dude. I'm really going to watch it. And especially toward the end when they, when they bring the military people in,

and I don't want to give too much away, but when they kind of start telling you what's really going on and, yeah, yeah, it's a great movie. They have a cool reveal. They have a great reveal. Yeah.

I'll definitely get into the guest. And you know what? He's sticking with his buddy, Simon Barrett, the writer. I noticed when I was watching the credits of this movie, it said directed by Adam Wingard, written by Simon Barrett. These are the same two guys that have worked together in all three films. Yeah. So they got a thing going here. I actually have, I do, most of my movies I either get through Netflix or, you know, if it's, you know, on TV or whatever.

I don't, I don't download movies, free movies and all that stuff. So I have your next. I've had it for like a week and a half. But I was listening to one of your guys' podcasts. I forget which one it was, but you guys brought up your next. And I've actually had it for about a week and a half, and I just haven't got to it. But it's sitting in right next to my television, just waiting for me to get to it. Yeah, I believe.

It will not be disappointed, Jay. Yeah, I believe the guest is on Netflix, too, streaming. Oh, yeah? Streaming. Ooh, that's even better. I don't have to wait for it to come on disc. I might have to look at it. Yeah, I think we can.

all agree that Wengarde is more than just up and coming. I mean, he's one of the next horror masters, I think. Yeah, it sounds that way, man. I would say that this film started out really, really strong for me. It got a little bit boring in parts. It got a little bit repetitive.

Here we go again with the original. I do like the way that they put a lot of the same scenes in. Like, for example, or they kind of went back to the original. Did you guys notice when they were all in the hotel room that they were drinking the same brand of whiskey or the bourbon or whatever that was in the first movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought that was a nice little touch. I mean, they didn't forget their roots. Yeah. But they did something totally different here. I mean, God damn. Two-thirds, and we'll get more into spoilers, but two-thirds into the movie, they're already into the thick of it.

They're in the part where the first film ended, two-thirds into this one. Yeah. And then the final act of this movie was basically what happened after that scene that was at the end of The Weird Witch. I mean, I enjoyed it quite a bit too. Brian, I don't know if I'm ready to say I loved it, but I really, really liked it. Philip? Man, I can kind of see that.

I think that this one was definitely amped up from the first one. It goes above and beyond realism. I'll tell you that right now. Yes. So it's way supernatural the whole time. I think it relies a lot more on jump scares than the creepiness that the first one had. Yes. I agree with you a little bit more than you would need.

Yeah. That was probably one of my problems. Probably a lot more than you would need. That almost took me out of it. Yeah, I know. It almost took me out of it, but they saved themselves at the end. And it was the exact same jump scare every time. It was the same scenario, right?

The same thing happened every time. Fake jump scares drive me fucking nuts, dude. That shit pisses me off. It's just some random, like, oh, your buddy, you know, that you've been calling out for and you're freaking out, oh my God, where are you at? And he, like, oh, hey, I'm right here. Shows up, yeah. He's been here the whole time.

I'm like, jackass. You can hear me yell for a mile When you're a mile away After I'm yelling at you But You know I think it was a good movie Was it a great movie?

Probably not I do like Adam Wingard I think that I think that he did this one justice I just think that They lost This is one Where had it not been tied

to the Blair Witch would have been a great horror movie. You think so? Yeah, I think it's a standalone movie. Yeah, I think it's a great standalone movie. But that sequel is a double-edged sword, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So you're building a fan base off the original name, but then you also have to live up to that original name. And you're trying to live up to a movie that was pretty revolutionary when it came out. Sure. And I don't know that they quite, did that for me. They came close. I think they came close.

I think it was good. They really came close. Yeah, I think it was good. I'm sounding kind of negative, but I think it was a good movie. It was really fun to watch, and it was really intense the whole time. Well, that's really revealing that you would say that, and I think we need to go to Spoiler Town pretty soon, guys.

Oh, definitely. I'm itching to get into Spoiler Town. So, let's, for the folks that haven't, that are listened, but haven't quite seen the movie yet, But if you guys want to just turn the podcast off after we give our reviews... Do you want to do number scores first? That's fine. If you want to pause it and listen later, we're absolutely going to do number scores first. Okay.

So after we give our scores, listeners, if you do not want to hear spoilers, turn it off, pause it, pick it up later after you've seen the movie, you know? Fair enough. We're still going to be here. We're in podcast land, so we live forever, right? There you go. So Jay, what's your score, man? For me, this is an easy eight on ten right from the first viewing. Wow.

I'd have to watch it a second time to see if that's going to drop down to a seven or maybe even go up to a nine. But it's definitely a solid eight for me off the bat. Damn. Brian? I'm going to go 8.5 on this one. Yeah, you did love it, huh? Yeah, this, it gave me everything I wanted. and we'll get into that in spoilers,

but everything I was expecting, I pretty much got out of this movie. Cool. Well, I'll give it a 7.5. I really enjoyed it. A lot of jump scares. They almost kind of got out of control, like you said. Yeah.

I mean, they fit in, and, you know, there was so much, wow. I mean, there were just some scenes like where maybe somebody fell out of something that they were climbing in and just holy shit we'll get a little spoilers later awesome movie I mean I are 7.5 that's a good that's a good score man that's it is rare that I'm the low man on the totem pole here

I'm gonna give it uh I'm gonna give it a six and a half I think that uh that's still good though yeah no I mean it was good it was totally worth watching it was a scary movie it was very tense the whole time. And like I said, I think had it not been attached to Blair Witch, I think it would have been a killer standalone movie, and it probably would have jumped to score by maybe a point. Right.

But like I said, you know, a little too many jump scares and not enough creepiness, and I really like the creepiness, and they lost where they lost the realism, which is what really makes. You appreciated the subtlety of the first film. Yes. I love realism. I don't think you can... I don't think you can...

Because that's... The realism, especially when you talk about a sequel, and you're kind of in the same universe and you talk about the realism and how it affects you the first time, it's kind of like you break a stick, and then you can tape it up all you want and put nails in and stable if you guys,

you know, back in the old wooden baseball days, you guys, some of you guys might know I'm talking about. But it's never going to be as sturdy. It's never going to be as strong. So you're really never going to get that back. The first time you experience that movie, the Blair Witch, you know, is this real? Is it not? You're always going to have that.

When the sequels come out, you're always going to kind of have that in the back of your mind. I know this isn't real because I know the first one wasn't real. So I don't think it's, I don't think you can get that. I don't think you can get that from there. And does it knock the movie down a bit? Yeah, it does. But is the point of found footage? Well, it is.

It is, but when you're talking about the sequel and the found footage, you already know that. That's kind of back in the back of your mind that you know this isn't real. Once you break that, once you know that, it's going to be hard to overcome that. It doesn't really take away. What that does, that just goes to show how powerful the first movie was and how great it was to put you in that mindset. But once it's done, it's done. It's like something you can't unsee. Once you see it, it's over with.

Now they can work upon it to try to create that magic as close as possible and try to put you in that same one. But it's it's like you can't go home again. You know, it's not the same. Yeah. And I got to say I do. I love the cast in this movie. Oh, I did too. Because you know everybody that's in this movie.

Every face you've seen before, I promise you. Yes. There's no stereotypes. There's no going overboard, nothing like that. None of them are big names, but they're all people that you've seen before. And I think that they do a really good job. And it's much hotter chicks than the first movie. That wasn't the first movie.

All right. Yeah, they weren't as fluid as the first group, because I think it's a completely different scenario. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that the first one, those guys were kind of half-ass into it as real anyway. You know, the director and the writer, they were putting them in his situation. that just go out there and do your shit. Well, that was the marketing scheme was that it was real, you know?

Exactly. And the actors for a portion of it, they were in the real of the shit. These guys, I don't think they were. So their emotion, their reaction, acting off each other, of course, it's not going to be as fluid and it's not going to be as real and emotional. And I get that. And knowing that helps me not take that away and knock the movie down and notch. Was it over the top? No.

No, not at all. No, somewhere in between. It was a movie. It was a good movie. But you knew what you were getting into. You knew you weren't going to get that as much. Actually, it was a little bit more realistic. Just coming watching Part 2,

oh, it was 100 times more realistic than that. But you're not going to get that same magic from the first movie. And I don't think you're ever going to do that. I can see that. All right, well, fair enough. So I think we all, we're in agreement that we love the first movie. hated the second movie, and this one's pretty damn good. Yeah.

Yes. That is a... Fairly said. That is as good a statement as you can make about this thing, man. Cool. And I will totally agree with you 100% on that. Well, this is normally the part of the show where Philip would do listener feedback. We're going to skip you guys this week.

Don't worry. Don't worry. If you send us emails or put anything on Facebook, you will be recognized next week, we promise. But again, we're kind of rushing through this one because we wanted to get it. the show out really quickly for you guys after the movie just came out. Plus we got three movies. And we got three movies. So this is the point

now where from here on out, guys, the show is completely changed. We have never done spoilers before. Guess what? This is a spoiler show now, guys. You're in the spoiler woods. We're going to tell you

if you do not want to hear spoilers, if you have not yet seen Blair Witch, and you want to check it out and make your own decision before you hear what we have to say about the ending and different things that happen in the course of the movie, we're going to ask you to go ahead and either pause the podcast or just simply turn us off at this point. And we're still going to be here for you guys next week and every week after.

But if you do want to hear spoilers, you're in the right place. Because guys, we got Blair Witt spoilers right now. We're going to start with Jay. All right. on, dude. What did you think about the way this thing ended? What do you think about all this fucking drama that led up to the ending and all this really, really weird stuff that happened, man? One scene that I absolutely loved, and for the most, when people watch a lot of horror films and you see a lot of kids and teenagers and young adults, whatever, and some shits going

down, what is the first thing you say, why are you guys still there? Well, these guys, once they saw those stick figures, their thing was, let's get the fuck out of here now. And they fucking took off. Now, they didn't get anywhere, of course. But they made the right decision that anybody who's ever seen a horror film is screaming at the screen, get out of there, get out of there. They did. They didn't stick around.

Well, let's just wait and see what happens. No, fuck that. Fuck this. I'm out. Yeah, but you, I believe. In this movie, were you like, why are you doing that? Don't do that. I just fucking hate that.

And in this movie, at no time, did you ever say that? You're like, no, these guys are doing what probably I would be doing. I said that like four times in this movie. I was pissed off. I was like, why are you doing that? This is not what you should be doing right now. What part was that? Well, mostly that stupid chick in the tree, A.

Oh, why is she climbing the tree? Yeah, climbing the tree. Oh, well, I can get to the, okay, you know that's going to end badly. Going into the house. Well, going into the house. house because the witch was fucking with the guy's mind remember he heard his sister because you kind of you get that reveal at the end where he finally gets taken yeah she's like no don't look don't look but she hears him she's like who you talking to he heard his sister so that's why he went to that

house when he saw like the light up there she does the witch did something to him that made him hear his sister but you got to realize you know and the other chick is telling him that that's why that's where i think it kind of got off the rail is at the end. I think it was, I mean, it was still good, but it, it hit way past realism territory and into movie territory, you know? I think they would have eventually had to go in the house anyways because they were being forced. Well, yeah. I think they were basically led to the house. They were led, they were just a bunch of, you know, they were herded of cows.

They were being, hurted right into their, you know, with the manipulation that the witch is doing and everything. So I get that. But I mean, think about it. If they got to the house and they turned around and said, nope, and left, you would have been like, fuck, what? I came in for this. Don't show me the house and don't go inside. You gotta go inside. It definitely was not going nowhere. You can ask Lane. Yes. That was one of the most craziest parts because every time, after he left the group, every time you've seen Lane, he really looked like he's just been wandering the woods for weeks. Yeah, his beard kept getting bigger. Yeah, he was basically, he became that, that Dustin Parr. Remember? He was like, okay, we got to do whatever she says. Exactly.

Dragging her. And, you know, the one thing about that, though, is his beard kick getting bigger. Yeah. But his battery never died. Oh, shit. You got, you got to give him a little bit. You got to give him a little bit of that. You got to give the, okay.

I did, I did kind of wonder at one point in the movie. I'm like, dude, how much battery did these guys? guys have on all their little electronic equipment. They've got it right. He said, we've been out here for five days. We've got a good battery for that 1994 fucking DV camera, you guy, because that shit's still running for five days. Yeah. Wow, dude, you just shot holes in the whole movie, dude. I was okay with it, though. I let him slide with that one. You got to let everybody slide with something. And that's what I'm saying, man. I think that kind of the opposite, you know, we're, yes, when they first

saw the stick figures and they were like, you know, like, hey, fuck this, we're gone. Yep. That was a good moment, I thought. Yeah. But there's way more moments to me where I was like, why are you doing this? That's stupid.

You guys know what made the whole movie for me? The entire film, you made it worth watching, in my opinion. Because to me, it got a little bit boring in the middle until they got to the house. And I'm like, holy shit, they're already in the house. and then when they got in there, I was kind of like, oh, fuck, here we go, the same old, same old, same oh. But when Lane came and grabbed Lisa and threw her in that hole,

I like how they brought her around. And she had to fucking crawl out through that, that fucking hole in the ground and through the water and shit. I was like, wow, I felt like I was really experiencing that. I mean, it was just incredibly, I just felt super paranoid. I thought that that was, yeah, it was definitely super paranoid. What's such a great scene? They had so many jump scares that I expected.

somebody to just grab her foot and yank her out of it but they didn't know what i mean i know they i know that they're right they over did it with jacres but that scene alone made me really like this movie yeah oh yeah i it was it was good man but it wasn't

it wasn't great and then you get well this one the the world becomes unrealistic sort of you know unlike the first one you know the big flashes of light on the outside the house you get some glimpses of the witch or what was that an alien or what that's what i thought i was like it's like I was like, I hope they don't go UFO on this.

But then you got a glimpse of the witch herself, right? I mean, at one time she looks small. At one time she looks fucking huge. With the long arms? Was that the witch? Guys, I thought that was Smeagle. She's got like these real long, like gorilla arms and shit. Yeah, that was, she was creepy.

I thought that was cool. And they did. Yeah, I like, I like to focus on her. You only got a glimpse. Yes, yes. You did get it. That's what I'm saying. That makes it worthwhile.

You were saying that's true. Same thing I was, dude. They didn't focus on her too much, man. Nope. That was cool. I like that. And she did her best not to be seen because she kind of looked at her with the camera and you saw the witch that sees the camera. She darts right back out behind around the corner.

Yeah. So yeah, that was, I think they handled, even though, you know, sometimes you don't want to see like the first one. I appreciate not seeing. If they wouldn't have showed a glimpse of her in this one, I think to me it would have been more of a rehash. Yes. But here that they actually, like you said, it picked up where. the first movie stopped. So you actually want to see, you want to see, you want to see glimpses of her.

You want to see, hey, is it a little bit more real? And you kind of get your answer with this one. Yeah, something's real and something's going down. They did. They did with a, go ahead. I was just going to say, that's why I think you needed some of the jump scares because it would have been exactly like the first movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that.

They could have changed some of the jump scares, though, because every jump scare was, The character came in front of the face. Now, the one jump scare that I thought really worked is when they found Lane the first time. Because, you know, a few minutes down the road, find out, well, he was doing this as a gag. But he did it on purpose. So, of course, he could hear them yelling his name and they're like, why are you guys answering their fucking names? Well, now you know why he didn't answer anyway.

He just jumped out because he was setting all that shit up. So that, I get. But the other people that they're just screaming their names And then all of a sudden they're right there in front of your face Yeah Right No yeah you're you're right with the lane thing man I think that that that one made sense

That's what it did make sense And they have to do a couple of those fake jump scares to throw you off They just did a lot of them You know yeah A lot A lot of them Like every you guys That's right?

Yeah Do you guys think Lane was always under the witch's spell Even in the beginning? I would say no No He made that comment. You don't think he let him out there? I love how he did,

good comedian does and brings the story back around. You know what I mean? Yeah, because I just, he made that comment earlier because Peter, the main character's best friend, said,

I've been out here before and I've made it out. And he made a comment like, well, what brought you back? Yeah, you got to sleep out of it. Yeah,

yeah. That's true. Yeah, But y'all know what? Peter was a douchebag I don't know he was kind of the most He was the first one to say Like when the stick figures came he was like let's go Let's get the fuck out of

We're not prepared for this He was just kind of a posturing douchebag He was the one that was a little bit unrealistic And was yeah the posturing Was real big on him And uh but I still like I thought he was overacting a little bit Yeah a little bit

my opinion. No, I absolutely agree with you. But I do, I do like him as an actor, and I liked his character in this movie. I think that he's a little different. I think why he was being a douchebag. I think, yeah, he was. And I think he was doing it on purpose. The guy's his best friend, right? That's basically his brother. Right. And I think he was more of a protective thing, because this guy's talking about witches and shit. And he's trying to shut that down, you know, because this guy's actually out there to find his sister, who he thinks his sister is really. out here that there's no wits, there's no supernatural things going on. So I think of his, I think it was his natural you know, because they're basically brothers, right? They grew up together. So it was his brother instinct. I think it was kicking in trying to shut, laying down.

Yeah, that's how I took it. He was protecting, you know, he was protecting his brother just saying no, knock it off with that supernatural shit. Just enough already. And he was getting frustrated. You can see the character was getting angry because he's there for his friend and trying to, maybe he may not you can tell he doesn't, his sister's out there.

Legitimately, he's trying to find his sister fucking 15 years later. And I think that's... He's been helping him for years, though, so I think he's just always been there. He was part of the search groups in the past. But, I mean, if there's not some sort of supernatural reason, she's not just lost in the fucking woods for 15 years.

Yeah, but I don't think he gets that. I think he's just there to support his friend in the best way he can. You know, he's not going to change his brother's mind. But that the sisters out there. Kind of an ass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. And yeah, I agree with you on that.

But I think it's more of he's being the protective of his friend saying, okay, I'm going to allow my friend to believe his sister's out here. I don't agree with him, but I'm here to support him. But I'm not going to let this crazy guy with this fucking witch supernatural shit add on top of my friend who's already stressed out that he can't find his sister. We're going to go out here and prove that she's not. not here because this guy with the witch shit, it's just going to continue to burn on his friend and I can't believe I can't remember his name.

Which one? You're talking about Alan? The main guy. Yeah, yeah. James? James. Was it James? I believe so. Oh, okay, the main guy. All right. The main guy, yeah, the paramedic, yeah. Heather's brother. I think that the

the the Confederate flag in the beginning when they reach the house for Lane and the purple-haired chick. I think it gives him reason to be an ass.

Now hold on. This is the horror returns. We do not get into politics. Well, dude, I'm going to get into politics and I'm going to say that it was aside from giving him a reason to be an ass to that guy, there was no point in that whole fucking part. Yeah, that...

I'll tell you, the Confederate flag kind of threw me off. Are they in fucking Alabama? I saw that. I saw that too, dude. No, they kind of threw me off. It was, it was a dig is what it was. Right. I think it was start, it was, it was, the guy's got to have a reason not to like him from the beginning.

Yeah, and that's what kind of sparked. Give him a reason not to like that. Well, yeah, yeah. If you guys are putting it that way, this movie's a masterpiece. I mean, they put it together perfectly. They set it up. They showed you why he hates him. They showed you why he hates him.

showed you why he's acting like a dickhead. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, yeah. I mean, this is a great movie. He had the reason. He wasn't the standard douchebag friend and all that. I think he did.

He had reasons to act the way he did. And I mean, it was the flag that started. I don't like these guys in the first. Because memory said, these guys aren't going with us. I don't want them here. Yeah. And then we won't let up about.

Yeah, you're fucking blowing my mind, dude. You're right. It was right after he saw that flag. And he, and he just, and then the guy wouldn't let up about the super now. Maybe this movie's a little deeper than I thought it was. And he was like, really? Are you fucking serious? Yes, yes.

These fucking white supremacists, piece of shit. All right, it makes a lot of sense, actually. Brian, what do you think, man? Another thing I liked, I liked how the stick figures actually came into play in this movie. Right? When she snapped the one stick figure that had a... What was her character?

Talia. Talia, it had her hair. Because I don't know if you guys noticed, yeah, it had her hair on the thing. Yeah. I didn't know. Yeah. She even mentions it. She goes, this is my hair.

Yeah, that's why she took it off of the string. Yeah. A lot of that stuff is real subtle. Yeah. Like that was a... You got to see it a second time. Yeah, that was a... I thought that was a really cool death scene.

I actually thought that that was super creative. Your Next style. Yeah. You know what I mean? Man. Where they had a really cool death scene in there. Now, again, though, some of the questions that were kind of left unanswered was that chick that scraped her foot. And then it looked like she had some sort of like...

Ashley, Ashley. Yeah, yeah. She had some sort of like bugging her foot or something. Yeah, it was moving around inside of her foot, right? And I was waiting to see what that was, and it was going to be totally disgusting. And I mean, I know she pulled that thing out of her leg at some point. Was that it was, guys, was that a branch or a centipede or what? I think it was a centipede or something.

That's what I thought. It looked like some kind of centipede. And I was wondering, did that go in her leg or did that come up from her foot? I don't know. They didn't make it real quick. I think it came up. I think when the witch. Hair.

Yeah. I think when the witch casts her spell, I think it's different for everybody. Because I felt like everybody was experiencing different things. Yeah. She just happened to be getting the worst of it throughout the movie. was waiting for something to come out of her foot and it never did. Yeah, I felt like her death was a little, little lame.

The whole falling out of the tree. No, I totally. No, I totally. No, wait, wait, no, wait,

she didn't fall out of the tree. She was slapped out of that tree. Yeah, she was slapped out of that tree. I love it, though. I love watching that. Yeah,

but you've seen it kind of hitting every fucking ranch on the way down. Yeah, but you've seen it coming. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you knew it was coming. That was so brutal. What the fuck are you doing? This is a bad idea.

I knew something was coming. But I didn't think it was going to end like that. I mean, I love that. This is the one you yell out in the theater. Why are you doing that? Don't fucking do that. Yeah. Brian, Brian, what do you do every show, stupid people?

Yes, she would fall. I don't want to put her in that category because I felt bad because she was the one that was just getting the most shit happened to her. But when she climbed that tree, I'm like, okay, this is where you die. I should climb this fucking... Because I don't know what she was going to do with the drone when she got it. Were they trying to find the road? They couldn't see the road, so they wanted to get it up there to see where the road is so they can head toward it.

She didn't know that, though. That was when she was in the tent sick. Yeah, but they didn't... I mean, even the first time they sent the drone up, they couldn't see shit. Yeah. Yeah, she wasn't there for that part. The very first time? I think she was into tent sick.

No, I don't think you were stuck at that point. I think that the very first time they sent the drone up, they were like, I wish I sent it higher, I don't know, you know? And then they part back down and it was fine. Okay, okay. The second time they sent the drone up, that's when it got lost. But they didn't see anything the first fucking time. It was just tree tops.

You know, what the fuck is you going to do? She wasn't part of that, though. I don't think she was part of that. Yeah, but hey, did you guys get the same impression I did when the drone was going up? It's like, these trees are so fucking tall. It's like further and further and further and further. further it went up, you still can't say shit. There's no point. Yeah, it's just a forest.

And that's kind of how it turned out. It was like everybody was lost in the woods. Yeah. And then people from times changed, you know, we're here five years in the future and we're here. So that took something from the second movie, actually, because they didn't have... No shit. Yeah, they didn't have

that whole missing time thing in the first movie. Yeah, the first movie was just a straight-up point. But in the second movie, that was a main plot point is that they had this lapse of time. They didn't know what happened. Wow.

It was dark and it was what, 2 p.m. in the afternoon or something like that or... Well, yeah. I thought that was kind of interesting. When they first woke up after the first night, but it was light outside and it was still like normal and they were like, how the

fuck did we sleep till 2 o'clock? And then I don't know if you guys noticed when it was dark again at one time and then you hear her phone or whatever vibrating off to the side. Very, very subtle. Absolutely. To let the audience know, hey, guys, it's supposed to be daylight right now.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a good scene. I set my alarm at 7 and it's still dark outside. What the hell is going on? Just to let you know on that. And the one thing I liked about this, which, you know, there's a lot of argument from the first one is why these guys still have their cameras on when they're running for their lives. This kind of took that away where, you know, they just have it on their ear like a blue.

tooth where it's not in your hand. It's filming, it's like a GoPro. It's filming 100% of the time. And you're free to do whatever you want. So I really like that they kind of, you took that out where if you were in that situation, would you just throw your camera down and just get the fuck out? Some people would,

but here you didn't have, you didn't have to worry about that because it was already taken care of for you. Yeah, because if it's on your ear, you're not really thinking about it no more. Yeah. And when she was crawling through the hole, whatever, with a film, she was using the light

to know where she was going. That's why she kept throwing the camera. You know, she would throw the camera a few of feet, crawl and grab the camera again, and she was just using the light to see where she was going. Well, and in this day and age, it's different than it was. Yeah, the technology is completely different, and they caught that.

But, I mean, people in general... They sure as hell didn't have drones in 1999. I guarantee you, if you were in a scary situation in the middle of the fucking woods, if it's a, like, a teenager or an early 20s or something, The first thing they're going to go to when they're scared is their phone. Because that's their comfort zone, you know what I mean?

Right. Let's do my little video diary. Their lifeline, huh? Yeah. Yeah, you've got a point there. All right. Well, fair enough. So, guys, I think we've covered enough here.

Does anybody have any last-minute things they want to say before we say until the horror returns again, you know? we've definitely got to give this movie another shot there's so many subtle subtle things in this movie there's a lot yeah yeah it's gonna take a second maybe even third viewing to capture it all and i hope when it comes out on blueway whatever they're gonna have those extras like they did in the very first movie where like you know the interview like i said with a guy parr in prison and all that i hope you're gonna get a lot more of that stuff on here and that just makes the whole experience so much better so when i say i give a 9.5 and i watch the first one over. I watch, I do it everything. I get the, the extra, the extra, the extra, the extra, um, the extra

interviews and all that stuff. It just, it's one big, one big, nice piece to watch. And I just hope they do that with this one, keeping in par with what they did with the first one. Because this one's really, it's, like they, you notice they didn't even mention part two, nothing, well, which would make sense. You can't really mention anything in part two, because it's completely different people. So that makes sense. It's outside of the lexicon, huh? Yeah, yeah. So that makes sense. This was a decent movie. You know what I mean?

The second one was kind of trash. Yeah. Yeah, I think we all enjoyed this, safe to say. So we've already given our ratings and everything. So at this time, guys, you guys all know if you're listening that it's kind of a rough episode. We're not really editing a lot or end the little musical pieces and stuff like that. Oh, we're not? Yeah, we're going to say if you are listening, you probably know where we are.

on Facebook and also on Podbean and iTunes and all that. So until the horror returns again, good night. All right, fair enough.