The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #17: Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (1971) & Miss Peregrine’s Home For Peculiar Children (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: May 21, 2021

This week we review Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children and the classic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and and political climate of the times. Based on listener feedback,

we do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, simply turn it off at that point, and we promise you won't miss anything. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film,

so there's going to be spoilers pretty much throughout for anything that's been out at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be, too. I'm Lance, and with me as always

are my co-host, Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys? Going pretty good. Yeah, I'm doing all right, man. How are y'all? Oh, hectic, man, but here. Yeah, before I get to my cool little week, I just recommend people check out the Magnificent Seven.

That movie was super fun. was it? I wanted to watch it. Yeah. But my cool of the week is actually a pleasant surprise was the first episode of The Exorcist. Oh, come on. Yeah, I was going in this. I thought I was going to hate it. And I didn't. And there was actually some really cool visuals in the movie. There was some creepy things going on. I'm not going to give it away, but I didn't, I wasn't seeing the twist happening. Maybe. Maybe. maybe other people had seen it, but I thought it was a good twist at the end of the episode. So if it continues on like this, I think the show would be pretty good. Who's carrying that one? Is that a network thing? It's on Fox. It's on Fox. Man, I'm behind on it. I forgot about it completely.

My not-so-cool thing is a lethal weapon, which is also on Fox. Oh, no, I kind of wanted to watch that. I'll put it this way. If it was not a lethal weapon TV series, it would probably be an all right buddy cop show. Yeah. But they try too hard for you to see them as the Mel Gibson Danny Glover character, and it does not work. But The Exorcist is my cool, and Lethal Weapon is my not cool, definitely. Not so cool, huh?

Yeah. Yeah, the guy, one of the guy who plays Mel Gibson's part in Lethal Weapon, actor named Clayne Crawford. Had you guys heard of him before and anything else? It sounds familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Yeah, he looked familiar to me, and I'm like, who is this guy? He was in, you guys ever seen the TV show rectify? No, I haven't.

Okay, yeah, he plays the kind of asshole guy that's married to a lady that's the main characters kind of, they've got kind of like this undercurrent of, of a relationship going on, that they're not really bringing it into fruition, but you can kind of tell there's sparks there and stuff like that. And this guy's just sort of like, uh, sort of like an asshole. He's actually the brother of the, of the guy that's got out of prison. So it's not a, not a crazy comedy part. No, not really. It's kind of a, it's, well, it's on, uh, I think it's on the Sundance Channel actually. So it's kind of more of an artsy type of TV show. Yeah,

he's not horrible on lethal weapon. It's just they try to play up that that character Mel Gibson had where he was suicidal. Right. Yeah. And by the end of the end of the first episode, you just, you're like, I get it. I get it. He's suicidal. You know, stop constantly.

Because I, in the movie, you know, Mel Gibson never was like, I want to kill myself all the time. And this guy kept saying it and saying it. I'm like, okay. And then Damon Wands is the Danny Glover part is complete miscasting right there. Pretty rough, huh? He's Damon Wands. He's just Damon Wands.

Yeah, you can't get over that, man. Yeah. In living color. All those movies, white chicks. My cool week actually was kind of a cop show. I binge watched Narcos on Netflix. It's awesome. Yeah, I mean, you got to pay way.

close attention to it because it's got Spanish subtitles for 60% of the movie. It's Pablo Escobar and his drug smuggling ring. And man, it's just, it's easy to get lost in from episode one.

It's rare that I find a show that I watch and the first episode I'm like all in and that one I was. Yeah, that's, I mean, people love it, dude. I think I watched like two episodes. I couldn't really get into it, but I think that was more function of just having so many other shows going on at the time, you know?

Yeah, I'm ready to watch Luke Cage. That's my next one I'm trying to get into. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to that. I like all the, so far I like all the Marvel shows pretty well. Yeah, I finished up Jessica Jones and y'all were right, man. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I think Daredevil Season 2 is the best so far of everything.

So it seems to just be getting better and better. So, yeah, absolutely. I'm ready for the Punisher. Oh, yeah, big time. Yeah, I heard they're actually pushing that one to come out sooner. So I've been following up with the Fear of the Walking Dead, which is pretty cool. But I think my cool of the week is a show that I'm catching up on from last year that's going to premiere again. I think it's first week of November.

It's on WGN, a show called Salem. Have you guys checked that out? Love that show. Oh, yeah, I'm ready for that one too. This second season, I mean, the first season was fantastic, but the second one, they've got Lucy Lawless in there playing a competing witch, so to speak, that's competing against the one who's been running Salem. Although she hasn't really been running it because their particular coven works more like a hive,

whereas she's more of just kind of like a royalty or something like that, where I think she's like an ancient German witch of some kind. Is that what you got out of it from Lawless's character, Brian? Yeah, pretty much. I feel like that was been off the air forever. Did they like skipping? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think it's been like about a year and a half.

And the same thing with rectify, the one I was talking about earlier. That one they took about a year and a half too. It seems like a lot of these shows where they have pretty big names in them and they seem to put a lot more effort into them. They're not too worried about, you know, sticking to a particular date. They're more worried about, I think, getting the show right, you know? Yeah, it's a well-made show. Yeah.

Oh, it's like watching a movie. Every episode is very theatrical. I mean, incredibly well done. No, WGN Network, man. That surprised me. Yeah, and they get away with a lot on that show. Oh, boy. Not they ever.

Do they ever? Yeah. Like, you would think it's. It's on showtime. That's what it... The production quality and all that? It seems like a showtime show. Yes, for sure.

So that's my cool of the week. And so, as with every show, it's time to take a little trip to the trailer part. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? Okay. We're going to go with Fear Inc., which actually comes out the 21st of this month. Ah, wow, right around the corner.

Yeah, this is from director Vincent. I'm going to mess up his last name, Muscali. And it's based off a short film that he had made prior to this film. So did you guys get a chance to check this trail out? I actually did. I haven't seen this one, guys. It looks like they're trying sort of a little bit different idea. It's like a scream for the modern age.

Yeah, they're actually advertising as Scream meets Cabin in the Woods. Okay. Yeah, it's a horror comedy pretty much. Ah, okay. Yeah, basically the premise is that this guy wants to be, he hears about this company that I guess you call them and you, you get put through like scary situations and stuff. Mm-hmm. Basically, he's bitten off more than he can chew. Like, there's some extreme situations going on.

But it's, it's done in a comedic way, though. Right. The show. Like the scariest haunted house you can possibly go to. Yeah. See, this would be some stupid shit that I would do. Yeah, it's like you're living in the haunted house. It's happening.

And it's got a pretty much an unknown cast. There's a couple of people I recognize in it. But I kind of got, you guys ever seen a movie called Cheap Thrills? I've heard about it. I've heard a lot of good stuff about it. Yeah, I kind of, I mean, it's a different premise in Cheap Thrills, but I kind of got the same kind of, you know, there's like some horror things going on. Right. It's, it's a comedy.

at the same time. So that one is due to come out October 21st. And our next trailer is actually a movie I've been hearing about for a while. And the trailer just came out Passengers with Jennifer Lawrence and Chris Pratt. Yeah, I really enjoyed that quite a bit. That trailer looked like some just good old-fashioned science fiction. Yes, this is directed by Morton Tildom, I believe his name is. He did the imitation game with Benedict Cumberbatch. Really? Yeah.

Man, that's quite a difference from one type of film to another. Yeah. These are two big-name people, man. They're probably the two hottest people in Hollywood right now. Right. Yeah, and I checked out the

casting list. Lawrence Fishburn and Andy Garcia are also in this movie. Damn. I noticed Fishburn in the trailer. They definitely got some heavy hitters. It should be pretty good. It's either going to be really good or it's going to be a complete flop. Yeah, what caught me was, I kind of, watching the trailer, I kind of felt like Chris Pratt's character,

maybe he purposely woke up Jennifer Lawrence's character. I don't know. There was some sort of reason that they were woken up. It was like they're, it seems like they're supposed to be in hyper sleep or something. And for some reason or another, they don't tell you, but they're awake now. And it's just these two people on a spaceship. Yeah, I think he said they woke up 90 years too soon and they can't go back to sleep. Yeah, it's quite a predicament. Welcome to my life. Jesus Christ. But it looked, you know, like you said, Lance, it looks like it's going to be, in my point of view, a really good science fiction movie.

What was up with that bartender? I mean, it looked like it was a robotic bartender, but did you guys get the impression that that that was like? a holodeck type thing or was that just like the way they had recreational area set up i think it was more like a recreational especially 90 years too early it'll be interesting to to see how they explain everything yeah and i like to see i like to see how jennifer lawrence is in this movie because you know the hunger games is over she doesn't want to do x-men no more so oh really yeah i guess she was bitching about the being in the paint or the whatever so I'm interested to see how she is in this movie.

Yeah, well, she did three X-Men movies. That's a pretty good run, you know? Yeah, and she's done a ton of other good stuff. I mean, like I said, she's still the hot name in Hollywood. And so is Chris Pratt, man. Anything that guy touches is gold. Yeah, you nailed it, dude. This is like the two it people right now,

especially with Brad Pitt having all his problems with Angelina Jolie and everything, huh? Yeah. And Chris Pratt, he, he's, He was one of the bright spots of Magnificent Seven. I wanted to see a bad. Yeah, this is all subject, but Denzel was a badass in that movie. Denzel is always a badass. I wanted to see it because of him, too.

Him and Chris Pratt. If they weren't in it, I wouldn't really care. Excellent cast, though, all the way around. All seven of them, huh? Yeah. And which I, we're getting way off topic. But I had found out the one that plays the Native American character. Right.

he's actually from Alaska he had worked up here and I guess he had quit everything to pursue acting and this is his first movie he was casted in but yeah passengers that is coming out December 21st this year good old Christmas movie huh

and our final is a teaser trailer for Annabelle 2 oh boy this is directed by David F. Sandberg who just directed lights out. Okay. And this movie stars Miranda Otto,

Stephanie Sigmund. A bunch of, yeah, there's a bunch of people in this movie. And a bunch of no names. Yeah. This movie's coming out May 19th next year.

I saw that trailer on when I went to see Blair Witch. Oh, really? Yeah. Dude, I thought it was super creepy. I love the teaser. trailer. It's just enough to be like,

oh, that looks creepy. Yeah, but not. And it had that creepy thing that's been, I swear I've seen it in like three straight trailers. The people contorting, you know, their necks popping and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. That's always

always, it's always. People moving in a natural ways, it creeps me out. Yeah, and I like how they didn't, they just, they just teased enough. Like, you didn't have to see what's happening to the girl, you just, you just seen the mother's face. They didn't really show it. They just showed enough to be like, oh, shit.

And I'm, I'm not going to say this movie's going to be great or anything, but I think with this and Ouigi 2, I think they're both going to be way better than the original ones, because I think they're going away from what they was doing with those movies. I'm a fan of the teaser trailer, man. I think they about hit the nail on the head as best they could with that one. And from what I've read, this is rumored to be a prequel. Yeah, that's what it looks like.

Like Annabelle is actually the girl that's sitting there instead of the doll. Oh, wow. Okay, going that far back, huh? Yeah, like it's Annabelle's mother coming in there and saying, you know, Annabelle, and she's sitting there having a tea party with the creepy-ass doll. Wow. And then Annabelle's mother holds up across, and Annabelle gets all contorted. and weird, and then that's the last you see

of where there's some screaming and shit, and you see this look of horror in her mother's face as she drops the crucifix. I don't want to see a movie where the doll does nothing for the entire movie. What's the point, huh? Yeah, so I'm actually don't want to see another trailer for this.

This was perfectly fine right here, the teaser. Yeah, so you're sold. Yeah, I'm definitely, because the first one was shit. All right. And this one is like a completely different direction. Yeah, I was okay with the first movie. I thought, I mean, it wasn't, you know, it's not going to go down in the horror Hall of Fame or anything, but it's worth watching.

But like the trailer for this one, just the job that they did on the teaser, I was like, okay, yeah, you could not have done that any better. And the next one, there's no way it's going to live up to the teaser. They've built up enough hype. They should just leave it where it is. And I'm checking out the casting. there's an actress that played the character Diana who's from Lights Out, the woman that's always appearing in the shadows.

Okay. She's also in this, and she is not bad looking at all. Ah, all right. And she is known to play. I never seen Lights Out. Was it any good? I'm supposed to check it out this weekend. Most people I've heard said it was good.

My son actually watched it. he said it was it was boring it was not scared yeah so it looked stupid shit but uh i might have a review on it uh next episode awesome i'm looking forward to that i might to watch it annabel to may 19th next year that was uh can't wait fucking a year early that was our last trailer all right okay real quick i probably should have did this at the beginning um I like to say rest in peace to Herschel Gordon Lewis. You guys ever heard of him? Oh, of course, man.

The Godfather of Gore. Sure. Yeah, he passed away at the age of 87 and just wanted to say that. He's the creator of the splatter subgenre and horror. You know, a couple of his movies that he did was The Wizard of Gore Blood Fest. You know, he is definitely the godfather of Gore. And, you know, just wanted to say rest and peace to him. Man, I didn't know he was that old.

I mean, I knew he'd been making film for quite a while, but didn't realize he was that advanced in age. Yeah, I didn't get the cause of death, but, you know, 87, that's a long time to live. Probably because he was old. Yeah, no kidding. No complaints, right? Yeah. And also.

They don't exactly come to surprise. Yeah. And also, I want to send our condolences to a friend of the show, Super Marcy. She recently had a friend pass away. I had put on our Facebook page and our Twitter, there is a link for donations for the family for funeral

costs. So if you guys want to check that out, the link is on our various media or social media pages. Oh, actually got it right here. It is PayPal dot me forward slash donate for Lindsay.

Part goes that to them. I want to check that out. Moving on to our news, there wasn't really a lot of news, so I kind of consolidated it into one thing. There's three TV shows coming out. I kind of wanted to read basically the outline to these shows and just get your guys' opinions. All right.

First up, Universal is developing a brand new Alfred Hitchcock anthology series. This is going to be direct. The pilot is going to be directed by Chris Columbus. He's known for doing the Home Alone franchise. Okay. He's written Gremlins and Goonies. It's great.

Seems like an odd choice, but all right. Second show is TNT. They have the rights to the... You guys ever seen the movie Let the Right One In? Oh, yeah. I love it. Yeah, they have just casted the main vampire. It's unknown actress, 19-year-old Christine Froese. She is going to be the lead in that show.

Oh, interesting. Okay, so it is going to still revolving. around the same character then. Yeah, pretty much. And our third show, news just came out that the fourth purge movie is going to be a prequel, but writer-director James Domenico, he wants to do a spinoff series, a TV series. Oh, no. I thought we were done with The Purge, man.

Yeah, man. The trilogy came to a full circle, man. Yeah, I think we had talked about it before. I think we talked about if the show was the movie series was going to continue, they would have to do a prequel. Well, there you have it. You call that one. And the show seems kind of interesting because it's going to be more about,

because you never, you never get why people are out here doing what they're doing. And this is going to be basically why this person picked up this knife or why did they go get this gun to go kill somebody. So what's, what's the motivation, huh? Yeah. Well, you guys enjoy that one. Yeah, so, well, I guess I got your answer. Out of these three shows, which one do you guys are most anticipating, I guess?

I'll give the most of a chance to let the right one in, just because I enjoyed the film so much. And I haven't even seen the original. Wasn't the original, like a Swedish, Swedish movie? Yeah. Was it Swedish or was it French? I think it was Swedish. Okay. Yeah, I watched.

I watched the original first And then the American version With that chick from Chloe Grace Moranz is in that one right Yeah yeah yeah yeah the chick from Yeah hit girl Yeah hit girl there you go Can I just say something real quick

The fifth wave was a piece of shit movie I don't I don't know what she's doing Right with her career Because she's neither doing these I feel like that was one of those like teenage like preteen books yeah i know what you're getting at yeah it

it was or not but it seems like it was i'm sorry to interrupt i just i watched it recently and i kind of didn't understand why i kept watching it so right not a fan no well she did a good job and let the right one in i would definitely say check that one out and i'm i'm kind of

looking forward to the series i'll watch that hey so how so how did the american version compared to the original, Philip? Man, it was pretty close. Pretty dead on. Yeah, like, when I watched the Returned, that was a French show originally, and then they did the American version of it

because it was so big over there. And I watched the French version before the American version on that one, and it was way better. I wasn't very impressed with the American version. On this one, I thought Chloe Grace did a great job, man. It was a good movie. All right.

Right, slow news week. That's pretty good, man. That way we can kind of get on to the rest of the show here because we got a lot to cover still. I think it's probably now time for listener feedback. All right. First order of business, our co-host Lance was lucky enough to run into a couple of faithful listeners in Vegas. Robert Anthony Richard and Art from Cali. How'd that go?

It was, we had a good time, man. We had a good time, and we interacted. little bit regarding another podcast that many of us listen to that Brian I know you're familiar with and that was a lot of fun too but yeah probably next time I do a sounder like that with them I won't I won't drink quite as much before. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas or gets recorded for the whole world there you whatever sounds like everybody had a good time and we love to meet as many listeners as we can So stay tuned for trips as we may be taking to meet you guys,

including the Texas Frightmare weekend in May 2017. That should be fun. I'm looking forward to that. Oh, yeah, I'll be there. And our friend Patrick Lear from Kansas City, Missouri, has a lot to say over the past couple of weeks. He says, I'll challenge Phil on his comment about the third movie in a series not being as good as the first two. Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, is the third, and it's the best movie of the trilogy. Disagree, I like the first one the most. Yeah.

I liked the second. I like the second, too. That's what I was going to say. The Two Towers was probably my favorite. Yeah, but the third film did win the Oscar. Did it? Damn it, Patrick. And he also says,

okay, I thought I'd send you guys my thoughts on Blair Witch. I wanted to hear what you guys had to say about it. I told Lance, I got to see it about a week before it released, I think Phil and I probably felt about the same. The jump scares kind of took me out of it, but I did feel

it got more intense as the movie went on. I felt his 6.5 was a spot-on rating. Another peave of mine with the whole found footage style is this. How many people do you know would press the record button on a camera and then spin it around to

what you're shooting? Towards a beating of a film, this happens almost every scene. Nobody does that. Testing, one, two, three. Yeah, like, yeah, press the record button, look at it, and then spin it to what you're shooting. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I never really thought about it until he said it.

Won't be able to not think about it now. So it made it feel a bit forced, which took me, took a lot of the realistic feel out of it, which is what the whole found footage style was supposed to create. I like the director, but I just felt some of this could have been less sloppy. plus again we have Brian's stupid people in the movie these stupid people yeah

these dumb fucks after knowing what they would have seen in the footage from his sister's disappearance still went out in the woods with no preparation none it's like they got the idea on the fly and said yeah fuck it let's go I felt it was an above average horror movie

but it could have been made a lot better with a few tweaks here and there great show on the matter was good to hear all your takes, keep the shows coming. Oh, and I forgot to add, I did think the whole tunnel scene was fantastic, probably the scariest part of the movie for me. Big time.

Big time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, man, thanks, Patrick. That was a hell of a listener feedback, dude. I appreciate that. Yeah, thank you. Thanks a lot, man.

And thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback. As always, you can reach us at our Facebook page or our pod bean page. or you can email us directly at the horror returns at gmail.com. We love to hear from everybody. We'll put you on the show if you send some feedback. All right, yeah, keep them coming, guys.

And now it's that time to discuss the week's featured attractions. This week, we visit Miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children. We also get our golden ticket to visit Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. So we'll begin, as always, with some trivia on the first. the first film that we watched, which was the 1971 Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Director Mel Stewart, also known for if it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium,

and numerous made-for-TV documentaries. This was interesting. The writer of the screenplay was actually the same fellow who actually wrote the book, Roel Dahl. Some of his other books, in case you're not familiar with his writings, include Matilda, James and the Giant Peach, the BFG, and the Fantastic Mr. Foll. among many others.

The chocolate river was made from 150,000 gallons of water, real chocolate and cream. Because of the cream, it began to spoil and by the end of the filming smelled terrible. That's something I never would have cast. Well, that nerds a dead kid in it. Right.

Oh, man, Sammy Davis Jr. expressed an interest in playing Bill, the candy store owner. but the filmmakers deemed it a little too kitschy and declined. Furthermore, Mel Stewart didn't like the idea because he felt the presence of a big star in the candy store scene would break the reality. Nevertheless, the candy store song The Candy Man became a staple of Davis's stage show for many years.

Denise Nickerson's blueberry scene was shot in the middle of the day leaving a time frame in between takes for lunch. She had to stay in her blueberry costume for that duration and had to be turned over several times to keep proper blood circulation. Now that's suffering for your art right there. How much better would this have been with Sammy Davis, Jr.? Oh, dude, you're tripping on that.

I'll tell you what, why don't you tell us what you thought about the movie, and we'll go from there, Phil. Man, it's definitely a classic. I hadn't watched it in years. You know, I used to love it as good. But my first thought was, why in the hell are we reviewing these movies? But, no, I mean, you know, Gene Wilder passed away and Willie Wonk is a class. It takes a long time for him to get into it, though.

The first, like, 45 minutes in the movie are just Oliver Twist-style, like, musical crap, you know? I was getting bored with it until they got to the chocolate factory and Gene Wilder shows up and saves the entire movie. because he's super weird and super creepy. I don't know. I think he makes the whole movie, and then when he starts singing, it's a totally different thing. It doesn't feel like a musical anymore.

So, you know, it took a while to get going, but it's still definitely worth rewatch. It's a classic. Yeah, well, I can definitely tell you why we're watching the movie for the podcast is because this is 100% a horror movie. I've said that from the very beginning. Think so?

Oh, man, you know, this movie scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. The tunnel scene's pretty crazy. The tunnel seems creepy as hell. The whole thing, man, is just morbid. Like you were talking about the deck in the river. All kidding aside, man, I mean, this, in my opinion, this movie has a lot more scary elements in it than, you know, say, for example, the original Ouija or, you know, the, any of the, any of the, the other movies that we've that we've slammed here. You guys remember that first movie that we saw for the podcast,

the one with Kevin Bacon in it? Nope. Oh, yeah. That was bad. Yeah, I mean, that tunnel scene alone in Willy Wonka has ten times the fear factor that that whole movie had. Okay, hear me hear me out. What if he uses children in his recipes,

and that's why he invited them here? Wow. That would be a hell of a deal. He does not seem concerned in the slightest when they all die. You what, man, you remake it with that angle. I think that would be a lot better than the Tim Burton remake quite frankly. They should remake it as like a straight-up horror film. That would be really cool.

I would watch it. I totally would watch that. Well, Brian, I know you watched this pretty recently, man. What are your thoughts? Had you seen it before? You know, this is a movie I tend to re-watch, you know, frequently. You know, when I was a kid, It was one of my favorites.

Right. You know, like you said, you know, for me as a kid, it was complete fantasy movie. You know, it was for the most part. It was someplace you wanted to go. But then the other reason why I really love this movie because there was a lot of scary shit going on. You know, I'm assuming, what was her name, Violet? She got turned into it. I'm pretty sure she died, too.

Yeah, Violet, Corriard. Yeah, they had to juice her. Right. I'm pretty sure they all died. Yeah, I'm like... And they got made into candy. And, you know, the tunnel scene was always scary for me as a kid. Yeah, that was a...

Yeah, and I was just going to say it was a complete acid trip. Big time. And even watching it back and Gene Wilder gets all, like, excited. He's just not concerned at all that these people are scared shitless. He's just making it more creepy. Right. And I'm going to kind of go away from my dumb people in movies. to assholes in movies because all these adults in this movie were assholes.

It's not good watching them get what it was coming to. Yeah, everybody from the parents to his asshole, Charlie Bucket's teacher. Yeah. That guy was a complete asshole. And I think this does fit in with our movie, our newer movie we're going to review because these are peculiar children in their own right. big time. But yeah, this movie is one of my all-time favorite.

I like the lesson behind it where, hey, maybe you should do what you're told when they tell you, hey, don't touch that because you're going to get hurt. And then you end up getting hurt and killed. But then Charlie and his uncle do the same shit, you know? Sure. They completely throw away the rules and decide to sneak some of the, some of the. bubble soda in and they're just the only ones that happen to survive it. Yeah. And, you know, that's, that's also scary, too, because if they wouldn't have survived,

they would have been chopped up by some blades. Right. Well, don't forget about the, uh, the, don't forget about the everlasting gobstopper that they tried to get away with. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. And I think that was set up.

I always wanted to know what, what that was supposed to taste like, because nobody ever tried it. Well, they have those gobstopper candies, but they're all they are. is pretty much just like, you know, like hard candy. It's supposed to be like those, oh, I don't know what you call them. They used to have them a long time ago. Jawbreakers. It's kind of like a jawbreakers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Another thing that's creepy, the oompa-loompas. Yeah, there was a lot of them. Willie Wonka's a weird dude, man. He's not, he's like his own style of mob boss, man. You don't want to cross that guy. I've never heard it put that way. Poplar.

would be begging for mercy. Right? Yeah, it was, it was kind of funny to see that he would have, like, lollipops growing in the ground all around there and mushrooms and everything and all those different colors. I think there was a little bit more than just candy going on here, guys. Well, and then every time one of those kids got, like, sucked into a machine or something, and he was like, well, that sucks.

I'm going to blow my little whistle and my impalupas are going to come take care of it. They would start doing something they weren't supposed to, and he'd say, no, stop, don't. Oh, no, you shouldn't do that. I guess you're going to die. Just rolling his eyes like these stupid little kids. So what did you guys think about the twist at the end there where we found out they were being tested the whole time, and those goons actually worked for Willie? I can't remember having seen it the very first time for that to be,

like a really amazing twist. It's just something maybe that I've always remembered. And so I've never really seen it as a twist. It's always been, that makes sense to me. Yeah, I kind of agree with him. I don't ever remember seeing it like, oh, Mr. Slugworth, he works for him. Wow. I didn't see that coming.

Really? Yeah. It just, for me, I don't remember, like, just being, like, blown away. Like, I can't believe this. It was never, never like a Darth Vader moment. It was. It just was. That's the way that it is.

All right. I thought it was pretty cool. I mean, when I was a kid, I didn't realize they were working for them until the very end there. Well, and see, that's my point, though. I mean, I've seen this movie since I was, you know, since before I can remember. So it may have been a shock to me at the time or maybe I didn't get it at the time, but it's been so ingrained into me that I don't really see it as a twist. Yeah, and now I'm thinking about it. Willie Wonka could be like a mob boss because Mr. Slugworth.

Here we go. It really does seem like he would be a mob boss's right-hand man. Right. And he's making candy with kids in it. That's a secret of green. Mr. Slugworth's over here, bribing people and all kinds of stuff. Set up his little five golden tickets. Oh, that's, that's a population control lottery is what that is.

Oh, boy. Well, I had never thought of it that way, but yeah, you guys, you guys had me thinking now for sure. Brian, did you, you see any similarities to this? I don't know if you do a lot of reading or if you've heard about any of the, you know, the newest science fiction books. But are you familiar with the next film that Spielberg's going to be directing? Ready Player One. Yeah, Ready Player One. Are you, have you read the book? Are you familiar with the plot line? I have never read the book. I'm kind of familiar with it. That is definitely on the docket to read.

If you know about it, I would love for someone to explain it. Yeah, I have read the book, and it's really good. But looking back and watching this film again, they borrowed really heavily from the story here, because like you guys are saying, they got, you know, the five golden tickets and they get to show up. And basically this Willy Wonka guy kind of hides from the public and nobody really knows what he looks like or who he is or anything. And the only difference in Ready Player 1, and this really isn't spoiling much because you find out in the first, you know, 50 pages or so. But a reclusive genius guy that, you know, set up this fantasy world, kind of like Willy Wonka, there's a lot of similarities except the fact that he has passed away and he's left a challenge for these people to try to figure out. But, I mean, I think you'd enjoy it, Brian.

It's got a lot of similarities to this. And obviously, it's going to be a pretty big feature film coming out with, you know, I heard there is a lot of pop culture references in the movie. So, you're kind of like a puzzle divinci code kind of movie? Not really so much that. I guess kind of similar, yeah, but just played in the video game realm. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Spielberg? Well, I mean, shit, Spielberg, I sign me up. But anyway, just kind of an aside, I just saw a lot of similarities between this and that, you know, upon rewatch here. Yeah, that is definitely something I was going to read, especially when I heard Spielberg was doing a movie. All right, so, I mean, this is a classic movie, Philip. It doesn't sound like it made quite as big of an impact to you.

What's your rating? I mean, I think it's still classic. You know, I've watched this one since I was, like a. said before I can remember the first time I've seen it in probably 20 years, I'm going to give it an eight. I think it's definitely a necessity that you watch it at some point in your life. If you've never seen Willy Wonka in the Chocolate Factory, then there's something wrong with your childhood. Yeah, I'll give it an aid as well, man. I'm kind of surprised you rated it that highly. But I think it has a lot of staying power.

I think it's one of those films that, you know, you could probably watch around Christmas and you watch it with your kids and then you watch it with your grandkids and it never really gets old, you know? Yeah, it just takes it a minute to get into it. I mean, once it gets into it, it's great. It's so spectacular. Yeah.

It just takes it so long to get there. I mean, the beginning is a little bit slow. You're right about that. But, I mean, I think that it's, I think it's deserved. I think it needs to be there to kind of show you, you know, what leads up. especially the disappointment part early on with Charlie and everything, and then he does finally decide he gets to go.

And I don't know, I thought it's just a really well-made movie. What did you think, Brian? Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and I'll give it a little bit higher. I give it an 8.5. Wow. This is a movie, like I said before, I rewatch it quite a bit. You know, my kids love it. My six-year-old, she loves it, which for some reason she's not creeped out by anything in the movie.

movie. But I was recently talking to somebody about, you know, what is your top 20 favorite movies? And you know, this actually might make my list, which, you know, yeah, it's kind of hard because, you know, when you talk about top 20 movies, you know, for me personally, I watch so many movies, you know, my list can change, you know, from one conversation to the next, you know. This, you know, I could still watch this movie. If my daughter's wanted to watch it. again, you know, I would have no problem putting it on. I would sit there and watch the whole thing. My kids are actually gone right now, and I'm really super excited for them to come back home. They're just gone for the weekend. They're not like gone, gone. But no, I'm super excited for them to come back home, and I kind of want to watch this with them and see how they do. I mean, they're five and three.

So I think the five-year-old can get it. Yeah, kids say interesting. You know, me as a kid, I thought Snosbury's was a real thing. Well, the best lines in the movies. There's two best lines in this movie for me. One of them is Snuggberries. Tastes like Snowsberries because of Super Troopers is one of my favorite movies of all time. And we're at the end of it when he's like, no, you lose.

You get nothing. I love that line. Yeah, did you guys hear the backstory about the urban legend, whether it's true or not about the secret meaning of the snowsberries and licking the wallpaper and everything? Uh-uh. Apparently, that's some sort of a, in some circles, Snosbury or Snosberry is another word for penis. Oh. I mean, look it up, man.

It's right there. Go to Snopes. I guarantee you it's in there. That's got, man. Look it up right now, guys. Come on. I'm not fissitting you. I'll take you a word for it.

Nobody's ever heard that, huh? No. You know what? If there's any listeners that heard of that, I would like someone else to say that they've heard of that. First thing that came up in Google was the filthiest joke ever hidden in a children's movie. Oh, no.

And it goes into, yeah, it goes into detail. Licking orange, it tastes like orange. Snowsberries taste like snowsberries. You're changing. in this movie for me right now. Well, at least it's after you saw it. Oh, no. Does that mean Willy Wonka as a pedophile?

Hey, that could add a whole other layer to the theater. Oh, right. Not only does he kill him. All right, I think it's time to move on, guys. Yeah. All right, so our feature film, the new feature film this week is Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. director Tim Burton, who ironically directed a remake of our first film reviewed.

Now, what did you, on an aside, what did you guys think about the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movie that he did? I hated it. Horrible. Okay. It's horrible. You agree, Philip? Oh, yeah, dude, it was awful. Yeah, one of his worst ever.

I couldn't agree more. I wish him and Johnny Depp to stop doing movies together. I hate, I want them to stop doing movies together. Do what, Brian? I want them to stop doing movies together. Who's that? I think that they should. Tim Burton and Johnny Doe.

I just want him to stop. Yeah, Dark Shadows was horrible too, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was. Anyone listening, I think, certainly knows his other works, you know? Tim Burton's been around a long time.

Now, this is interesting. The writer was Jane Goldman. I really hadn't heard of her as such, but she's known for a lot of really good movies lately. She wrote the screenplay for Kingsman, The Secret Service. I think she did X-Men first class as well as days of future past and she also wrote Kickass I like all of those All of the above man for sure

Absolutely Tim Burton aimed to use as little visual effects as possible He said it was nice to shoot on location To be connected to a place in geography While having people actually floating As opposed to doing it all digitally So that's very well appreciated Mr. Burton for sure

based off the very popular novel of the same name by Arthur Ransom Riggs. He has released three books in the series. The sequel to the first book is called Hollow City, and it's followed by Library of Souls, which are both now available. And this marks the 11th collaboration between costume designer Colleen Atwood and Tim Burton. Brian, you want to get things started here with this one? Yeah, I kind of feel like this is a return for Tim Burton.

You know, there's been a couple movies he's dead. They were just horrible. But I really like the weirdness of his movies. And, you know, the corkiness. Yep. And I thought this was a return to that. I really, I liked all the peculiar children in it, you know, all their little abilities, you know. And I don't know what it is about Ava Green, but there's something about her.

I will watch anything she's in. She's pretty awesome. I don't know what it is. She's really sexy to me. And I've seen movies where she's looking totally crazy. And I'm like, you know, you're still sexy to me. If you're out there, Eva Green, you're sexy. But I hope so.

I had a lot of fun with this movie. And like I said, I hope this is a good thing to come for Tim Burton. Yeah, we can only hope, right? Yeah. Philip, you saw this pretty recently, right? Like today or something like that? Yeah, I saw it last night. Man, I thought it should have been called, you know,

children with really shitty powers. Like the C class of the X-Men, huh? Yeah, they are definitely no X-Men. Of course, that's probably why they're stuck in a time loop. Right? But, no, I think it was, it definitely had Tim Burton all over it. It was very

obviously him. I think it was entertaining. You know, it's not as classic as some of his other stuff and I don't think it's going to go down as one of his best, but it's definitely not going to go down as one of his worst. You know, I thought it was entertaining

and definitely worth a watch. But yeah, some of those, some of the, if you're going to show a movie with a bunch of people with powers. I bet the book was a lot better. Their powers were kind of shitty. Like one girl had a fucking mouth on the back of her head.

That's not a power. You're just, you know what I mean? You can eat chicken from the back of your head. It came in handy later on. It did, didn't. No, it did. They totally forced that.

I was waiting the whole movie. I'm like, what is this chick going to do? All right, Philip, fair enough. Anyway. But no, I thought it was entertaining. You know, I'm not going to give it a glowing review, but I think it was worth watching. It was fun.

Yeah, I really, really enjoyed this movie, especially since I went in with really low expectations, considering some of the crap that Tim Burton has given us recently. Yeah. And, you know, we've talked about a couple of them. But, I mean, can you guys think of what his last really good film was? I mean, it's certainly been a while, right? Have you guys ever seen big, big eyes?

I didn't like it. Okay, I have not seen that one. I didn't care for it at all, man. I thought it was really boring and self-absorbed. One of your 30 minutes of it or so. Yeah, and that was the impression that I got. Very self-absorbed. Yeah, I don't even think I finished the movie.

Oh, that's a good question then, because I don't know. I mean, I recently just watched a, Sleepy Hollow. I really like Sleepy Hollow. I didn't even care for that that much and that was you know what, 16 years ago or something. See and I, Johnny Depp gets

a lot of shit, you know, but I typically like him as an actor, you know? He's done some real stinkers with Tim Burton. I mean, I know he works with him on a lot of movies and really closely because they're both super quirky and weird. But

he's done some really good stuff with him and he's done some really bad stuff with him. I thought Sleepy Hollow was cool. But yeah, you're right. I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember to place my finger on what was the last. I'm probably a big fish for me. A lot of people really love that one.

I wasn't a huge fan. I think I was kind of disappointed. I just expected more out of it. It's not one of my favorite movies, but I thought it was definitely worth watching. It was, I like, Big Fish a lot. Well, I'm going to agree with Brian, I think, who said that this movie seems to be bringing

him back to form a little bit. You've got, you know, the odd eccentricities and really, really great cinematography and really cool, quirky characters. But I think they're actually done right. And I don't think anybody squeezes anybody else off the stage the way, you know, or the screen, I should say, the way that I, in my opinion, that tends to do and some of the other people that he acts with. Samuel L. Jackson can tend to go a little bit over the top,

but I think he really just kept his character really well in this one, and I really enjoyed watching him. I think he did a good job. Speaking of Kingsman, which we talked about earlier, he reminded me a lot of his role in the Kingsman movie. Yeah, he did, actually. I thought he did a really good job in this one.

And you know what? I'm glad they cast Ava Green instead of that chick from Fight Club. Oh, and Helena, Bonham Carter. I think her name is. The one that he casts in every movie that he does. Isn't that his girlfriend or wife or something? I thought it was. Yeah, maybe it's his wife.

Yeah, he's definitely taking a step up casting Eva Green. Everything she's in, man, she is just hot. I don't know what it is about her. The first time I saw her, there was some, I think it was like a, I know it wasn't called Excalibur. It might have been called Camelot or something, but it was a Showtime series that unfortunately. It only went one season.

but she played Morgana in that and and boy was she smoking man. Sin Ziddy. Oh yeah. Yeah, big time. Both of them, right? Wasn't she in the first one and the second one? She was in the second one. Ah, okay.

All right. She's fantastic on, she was fantastic on Penny Dreadful. Yeah, haven't got, haven't gotten to see in that yet. And then also she has a fight slash sex scene in the sequel to 300. So, oh, I saw that. Yeah, that was her. Interesting. I will say this.

I don't know about you guys, I thought maybe the first 10 or 15 minutes of this movie were pretty slow. Agreed. You know, maybe not what Philip would say, Willie Wonka, beginning slow, but I thought it took a little bit to get going. And then once they got to Wales, I mean, there were a couple things that I saw coming that, you know, we'll get more into. the spoiler section when we get to that. But, yeah, I mean, for the most part, I thought that it was a pretty well-written little story, and I'm sure it was a great book. And I think he did a great job of putting it to screen.

I think that this screenwriter he works with, obviously she knows her stuff. She's written some really good, some of our favorite films in the last couple of years. So I think it was a pretty good home run. The actors were good in it. I didn't have complaints about anyone. It was kind of weird hearing Chris, doubt instead of his usual Irish brogue talking with a like a, I don't know, was that, like some kind of a California beach bum accent or something? Yeah, he, you know, he wouldn't, like,

I, I really like that guy and he wouldn't quite in pulling it off for me. Yeah, he was, he was the only one that I thought didn't, didn't do a super job in it, but, you know, for the most part. And, and I really, I think I got more into it in the, in the last half hour, you know, like the last act of it when they started doing the battle and everything like that which we'll get into later but yeah I really enjoyed this one so dude the bad guys were creepy

as hell that they were man that they were I'll give him that man this this is definitely straight up this was definitely straight up horror movie right yeah there was there was quite a few horror elements in this movie it's got horror elements but it's yeah no

it it was very Harry Potterish To me. How about dark fantasy? Would you go for that? Yeah. Uh, yeah. That makes sense. Well, a lot of Tim Burton movies are dark fantasy.

Oh, for sure, yeah. Dark fantasy, that's pretty head-on. But you can tell that it was, that it was from one of those, like, a teen science fiction books, you know? Oh, yeah, for sure. Definitely for a younger audience, you know. Yeah. But I will tell you this. And this was my thought coming out of the movie is that I'm just damn glad that movies like this are being made.

Because I think that instead of force-feeding kids, a lot of the garbage that a lot of the children's movies and Twilight and stuff like that is, I think this at least, you know, in my opinion, watching it had some actual horrific elements in it and some really dark elements. You know, the kid who had the special skill of putting the dolls together, kind of like the character in Toy Story Story that wore the t-shirt with a skull on it? Yeah, yeah. That was actually my first thought when I saw him. I was like, oh, my God, this is that kid from Toy Story, and he's just a good guy. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it.

I'm just glad that people are willing to go out on a limb and make a movie like this and behind it and spend big bucks to make it, you know? Well, you know, if you're going to rip off an idea and do a movie, it better be from, you know, a book and from a movie that somebody hasn't seen before instead of going back and just remaking all of the classic movies. Because that seems to be the only ones that really survive anymore is the remakes. Yeah. And from what I've just checked online, you know, it's probably going to win the weekend at the box office. Oh, cool.

That's not expected. I'd really, frankly, left thinking, I'm sure glad the movie got made. I'm glad that my kids and grandkids get a chance to watch something like this instead of, you know, the drivel. that they're jamming down our throats. But at the same time, I'll bet it's not going to do very well, but it'll probably be a cult classic later. But you're saying it might have a pretty good opening weekend. That's good.

Well, are you guys ready for ratings before we go into spoiler territory? Yeah. All right. I can't remember who started this time. Was it you, Brian? I don't know. But I'll go ahead and give my rating. I give it up.

Hmm. I want to give it a seven, but I'm going to go, I'm going to give it a 6.5. Oh, okay. It's like, I don't know who mentioned earlier, but basically it's, it's not his best, but it's definitely not his worst. Cool. So definitely more good than bad. Yeah, definitely a step in the right direction for Tim Burton. Man, I'm going to go and say pretty much exactly the same thing that you just said.

because I wanted to give it a little higher and I struggled with what to give this movie because if you don't think about reviewing it and you go in there and you just watch the movie you had a fun time man it was worth watching I'm going to say 6.5 also I think that Tim Burton can do better but it was definitely

it was fun I think he did the book justice I think he did him his own name justice and it's definitely a step up. It's kind of like the suicide squad of Tim Burton movies. Yeah. It was fun, but when you really think about it. Yeah, because it was, you know, suicide squad was really fun to watch.

I mean, if you want to get really overly critical about it, then you can tear to little bits. Right. But, you know, it was, it was a fun movie to go see. Yeah, and I'm going to twist it from what we normally do a little bit here, because I'm usually the low man on the totem pole with the ratings, but I'm going a little higher this time. I'm going 7.5.

Oh, wow. And I really think this could be Tim Burton's return to form, and I hope it is. Well, I'm sure there's going to be sequels. Does this give you hope for Beetlejuice, too? yeah i don't know man i don't know about that i mean beetle beetlege's two i think might have been a good idea a couple of years after the first one came out but i don't know how well it's gonna it's gonna do now because i think uh recently i think uh michael keaton kind of killed the sequel talk uh because he was everybody was all in and then i believe i don't know if it was recently

but i think he said uh as far as he knows it's not happening anymore oh no i i thought so too, man, but it's still, it's still showing up on IMDB, or at least it was the last time I looked. I think without Michael Keaton is dead. Yeah, because originally it was said they're not doing it without him, and then he was in, and I don't know if something happened, or maybe they're just trying to kind of strike up talk about the movie to see if people are still interested. I don't know. It's what they do, man.

Well, so what do you guys think if Keaton wasn't in? who would you guys pick to play Beetlejuice? I wouldn't. Yeah, call that shit off. Yeah, I don't even want them to do it. Not even going to try to go there, huh? Nope. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler. First spoiler that I want to talk about is probably one of the main points of the whole story. And something that I didn't really expect going into this movie. because I read as little about it as possible before going in. I kind of wanted to be surprised.

I knew it kind of had like an X-Men feel to it, kind of like Charles Xavier's school, and I knew that it was based on young adult books, and I knew that it was directed by Tim Burton, but that was about it. I definitely didn't see the time loop thing coming, and I do think there were a couple of plot holes, as you guys kind of alluded to earlier.

You just watch it and enjoy it, don't really think too much about it. But what did you guys think about the whole time loop thing? I was... I think it was clever. You think it was... I liked it. I was surprised because when I had seen the trailer,

I kind of, from the way everybody was dressed, I thought this was in a different time period than it actually really was. Right. So it was a pleasant surprise to me. I liked it. Did you think it carried, uh, it carried water as far as, you know, being logical the way that they put it together and the way she had to keep she had to watch her.

I was wondering why was she watching that pocket watch so closely and so worried about everybody being, you know, right on time and everything. The only thing I really didn't understand, she couldn't create another time loop. You had to stay within the bombing of the house? I don't know. Philip, did you figure that one out? I know they said that it was kind of an emergency and because in order to save their lives, she kind of had to do a real impromptu, you know, time loop, like on not the most,

ideal of days to do it? Yeah, they said, you know, normally it would be in a perfect day. And then in this one in particular, it's not because of the bombing, A, which seems like if she's going to have to stop it and rewind it every day, maybe you wouldn't want to do it within seconds of a bomb hitting your house. No kidding. And then the fact that she has to go out and kill this invisible. gigantic monster every day.

And she just, you know. Not only that, they referenced she on more than one occasion had to kill the people from the pub. Yeah. Or the, no, I thought it was the cops that showed up. Oh, you, I mean, whoever, I mean, like, constantly had to kill these people. I think it was, I don't know,

I just felt like maybe she could have made another time loop. Right. It seems like it. Yeah, she kind of turned it into Groundhog Day on steroids, huh? That's what I was going to say, yeah. Like, I mean, if you're going to live the same day over and over and over again, it's going to turn it into Groundhog Day. I mean, shit's going to get old real quick.

Right. And how are all of these kids with these supernatural abilities just totally okay with living the same day over and over and over and over again? It would drive me crazy. Yeah, that was probably one thing I didn't like because it was. kind of seemed like, I mean, they were, when he, when, I forgot what the boy's name, Jack, is that his name? Uh-huh. Or Jake, Jake.

Jake. Okay, yeah. Well, the main, the main kid. When he showed up, you know, how they were so eager for him to stay because they wanted a new friend. Ah, that's right. That was the only thing that they did. I expected for, you know, they're, what, they've been living the same time loop since

1943. Yeah, that's got to be a drag, man. Yeah, they did. didn't really seem too bummed out about it. Right. Yeah. Yeah, well, you can tell, kind of toward the end of the movie, there was a part where you could tell it was really starting to wear on Emma.

She said something about it. I don't remember the exact line she used, but you could tell she was, it was kind of like hell on earth having to go through the same thing over and over again. And to me, to me, it seems like that's what it would be. You know, that doesn't sound like, it's not like the best thing that ever happened to them is toward the end when they got to actually go over

and get on a different loop finally, you know? Yeah. There's a different adventure, you know? Yeah, at last, at last. And why keep these peculiar children as kids the whole time, you know? Right. You know, wait until they're at least have learned enough to be evolved and more useful. So you don't have to just take care of them.

Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Kirsten Dirt's character in a, interview of the vampire where she could never get older than that one age that's what that's what I kept thinking about when I was watching this but the only differences in that movie you can tell as the years went by

she was a little bit older than what she seemed well sure sure but in this one it just kind of seemed like they were just kids yeah I guess I guess so I mean it looked like there been some stuff going on behind closed doors that we didn't know about even though they've been living for like

probably thousands of years in the same little time loop. Yeah, they still act like children. Yeah. Oh, and back to, you said the girl that had the mouth behind her head had the most useful ability. Mm-hmm. Or useless, I mean. Yeah. I felt like the boy with the, basically, he was a human projector.

Project his dreams. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're right. I mean, what was he trying to do against Sam Jackson at the end? Right. Didn't do much good. I'm going to blind you with my eyeballs, which you like to eat.

So maybe it's probably not the best idea. So what did you guys think? You know it's my favorite part of the movie, but what did you guys think about that battle scene at the end there on the boardwalk? At first, I didn't know what was going on because I totally forgot that Sam Jackson and his friend, I totally forgot the others had where basically they were peculiar themselves. but when they started using their powers, that's when I started really getting into it

because the one guy was able to freeze things. And then the, I'm assuming the chick was some kind of monkey chick. Yeah, I thought it was like a rant. Yeah. But I really dug, because I was waiting to see what the twins was,

what their whole thing was. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I was, I kept wondering, Uncle, why are they wearing these masks? I mean, they're super cute little kids,

but. Yeah, for a second there, I thought we were just going to, I thought we were just not going to find out what their deal was. I really liked their little power there, basically like Medusa. Yeah. And then once they used it, I'm like, why haven't you done this before? Right.

Yeah, I really enjoyed watching it. It reminded me the old Ray Harryhaus and stuff when we got to see the skeletons and the hollows fighting each other. I thought that was cool. Yes. Yeah, that was pretty cool. And I like the way they walked into that super creepy fun house to get to the other time zone or the other time. Who set that one? Was that the bad guys that set that time, Luke?

I think it was the older, the older lady that showed up to that time. Judy Dench? Yes. Okay. Oh, okay. I believe that was hers. Yeah, because Samuel L. Jackson's group, they weren't really setting and creating things so much to just go in and taking advantage of something that was already there. and eating and feasting, right?

Yeah. They were like the tall man or the slender man or whatever. Oh, man, that was creepy, huh? Yeah, and it's, you know, I don't remember that story as a child, but I feel like it's a children's horror story now. Right. The tall man or slender man or whatever. Sure.

And, man, I think that they were creepy as shit in this one. even with the skeletons fighting them and covered in cotton candy and all comical they were super creepy right yeah i would i would love to see tim burton just do a straight-up horror movie i would do i don't think that he will i think he has to keep that quirkiness yeah yeah that doesn't seem to be in his wheelhouse at all yeah but if he if he was do a straight-up horror movie i think he he could do it i mean i just just once just tried i mean he tried i mean he tried to make a planet of the apes movie. Oh, geez. Let's not go there.

So at least give horror, give one horror movie. What was that? Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg. Oh, was that the Mark Wahlberg? That was Tim Burton? It sure was. Yeah, Tim Roth, I think, was the main villain, wasn't he? I think so.

And he completely tried to change the ending from the original one. You know, it sucks because James Franco was in the one that was really awesome. that guy really yeah that was a really good movie though speaking on that we uh we might get a trailer for the new one next week dude i'm a fan the new apes movie yeah oh man i didn't know they were they were still making them yeah from what i heard this one is just going to be pretty much an all-out war movie oh that'll be great man who's directing it do you have any idea uh have no clue but if it comes out we'll definitely have

some information on that. Big time. Cool. Well, any other spoilers you guys want to talk about on this one? The only thing I would like to say is I'm glad I was, for some reason, I thought Johnny Depp was going to pop up somewhere in his movie. Yeah, I'm glad that he didn't do his traditional casting. I think that, uh, I don't know who this kid is, but he was in another one of the, uh, previews. Uh, the one where he's in, he's from Mars or something. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah.

I think what is his name? Asa Butterfield is his name. I think maybe he's going to be the new lead male kid actor and a lot of stuff. Yeah, he was previously, the only thing I've seen him in really, he was in that movie Ender's game. Yeah. Oh, was that him? Yeah, I believe that was him. That movie sucked, I thought.

Yeah, I didn't care for it. I know it didn't get a lot of play. I heard a lot of good, a lot of good things said about this kid, though. Yeah. He seems like he's, uh, seems like he's all right, man. He's headed in the right direction. He's, he's probably going to be the next big thing. Yeah, he did a really, he did a really good job.

I'm checking out pictures on Facebook of, uh, Amman's, Amman's yard, the Halloween decorations he did. Oh, okay. Yeah, they, they definitely beat us. I was pretty happy with what we did, but he's, he's knocked it out of the park on some of these. Yeah. Ammon gets pretty serious every year. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. All right.

So, oh, one last thing. What did you guys think about the very, very end of the movie where he had to go to all those different places and find different loops to find his way back to... Was that supposed to be him older or something? Yeah, yeah, it was him a little bit older, it looked like. Oh, okay. I thought they did a pretty good job with that.

I thought that was a nice twist there. Yeah, that was fine. I like how they explain that he just didn't stumble upon the loop, you know, what he had to go through here to here, to here, you know. Yeah, like he had to work for it to get back to his love, which was a little weird because it's the same love that his grandpa had. Right. He, his grandpa missed out.

So, you know, that's his problem. You snooos you lose, Grant. At least he was able to go back and save him, right? Yeah. As always, we want to thank you. for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com.

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