The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #19: Midnight Run (1988) & The Accountant (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: May 29, 2021

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I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys? Going pretty good. Pretty good, man. Still alive. Feels like we just did this. Yeah. So you guys ready for cool of the week?

Absolutely. All right, Philip, what is the cool of the week for you, my friend? I haven't actually watched. much this week. The movie that I checked out was a Swiss Army Man. You heard about that? Oh, yeah. Daniel Radcliffe in it.

How was this movie? Super fucking weird is how it was. Like it was, I don't even know how to describe it. It was like raunchy and stupid for no real reason. Like it tried to be artsy, but it wasn't quite there. And I'm not. mad that I sat through the whole movie but I wanted it to be

better than it was. Oh, does not sound like a glowing review, man. No, it's not, man. It's a weird movie. It's super weird. And I like weird movies, but this was weird for no reason. Yeah, I heard during one of the film

festivals it was playing at a people walked out of it. What? Really? Because of the humor or things that was in the movie. There's a lot of kind of slapstick type stuff in it.

For being what appears to be kind of an artsy movie, no, there's a lot of like slapstick stupid humor. Lowest common denominator. Yeah, like, there's so many fart jokes in this, it's ridiculous. Right. Isn't that kind of the point, though? I don't know. I don't know if I would have expected that to be the point from this.

movie. Right. Hmm. Well, I will tell you this, man. I mean, I have not seen it, but, you know, I mean, yours was kind of the first lukewarm review I've heard. Pretty much everybody that, that I've listened to that seen it has enjoyed it. Really? Yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, no, I mean, it was kind of, like, I didn't hate it. Right. But I definitely didn't love it either. I was, I was really looking forward to it too. Maybe you're just missing something, Phil. Maybe.

You know? Go back and watch it again. Maybe this movie wasn't made for you. There was a couple of moments where I laughed, and it was pretty funny. But it was like, I don't know. It was out there for no real reason, you know what I mean? I think I do. I know exactly what you mean.

I mean, when I first heard about this film, guys, I was like, fuck this shit but I do have to say and I remember it was when I went to see the shallows the Blake lively film that we reviewed some weeks back

they showed a trailer for it at the theater and I was like it actually kind of looks sort of neat in a weird way yeah it does like it looks super creative and interesting kind of a sunshine of the spotless mind kind of thing but that's not quite what it turned out to be.

Okay, didn't quite scratch that itch for you. No, not quite. It's just different for the sake of being different. It wasn't, there was no, like, big moment in it, I guess. Nothing that really just stood out for you. Yeah, nothing that really stood out, yeah. That makes it worth watching, huh? Yeah.

Yeah, well, Paul Dano, for me, is real hit or miss. Mm-hmm. What did you think about his part? I actually liked it I thought the acting was really great on both parts and I'm a big Daniel Radcliffe fan I thought he was good I think it was just the plot line

like I expected maybe something different to happen towards the end of the movie and it didn't maybe that was what the thing was I'm not sure I like the ending okay so for you kind of like a lot of buildup but no payoff

yeah exactly that's exactly what it was a lot of buildup and no pay off Brian, you haven't seen this one, have you? No, I've been wanting to check it out. I just haven't got around to it yet. Well, I'm intrigued because I've heard three or four people that I respect greatly tell me it's on their probably top ten films of the year so far. And then to hear Phil say it's sort of kind of like anticlimactic, definitely has me thinking.

So I've got to see it, definitely. Actually, you know what? when we talk next week, that's either going to be my cool of the week or it's going to be my uncool of the week. Depending on how it goes. Check it out. Tell me what you should think about it. Maybe I should give it another watch.

All right. We'll do. Brian, what was your cool of the week, man? I'm currently doing the 31 days of horror Halloween, which is everyone you want to go with. Yes. Our man, our man on the street. You are the only of the three of us that has time to do that, I think. Yeah, I am 14 movies in right now.

Can you give us a synopsis? Do you have it kind of in front of you where you can sort of walk us down the aisle from day one through day 14? Let me see here. I've currently checked out the Lost Boys, the Conjuring 1 and 2, the strangers, stir of echoes, the others, Kujo, Tucker and Dale v. Evil. the return of the living dead, the houses that October built, the Exorcist, cabin in the woods, and I believe I might be mistaken.

My last one I watched was Tales of Halloween. Nice, nice. That's actually the only one I haven't seen of everyone you mentioned. I was going to say, I'm not even sure what that one is, but the rest of them on the list sounded pretty awesome. Yeah, it's an anthology movie.

It's a little iffy. I think it's the only one on my list that was a movie I haven't seen before. Yeah, I've never even heard of it. All right, so to date for your 31 Days of Horror, 2016. Yes. What would be the standout? What's the best experience of all? I always have fun watching The Return of the Living Dead.

You know, I really enjoy horror comedies. Yeah, and this is the punk rock movie, right? Yes, you know, got the famous scene with Linia Quigley dancing in the cemetery. Sure. What child of the 80s doesn't remember that? And, of course, you know, going back to watch The Exorcist and Kujo, you know, those classics right there were fun I would probably

say the one out of my list that doesn't hold up is the others because before I ever got a chance to see that movie I had the twist spoiled for me yeah that seems to be a movie yeah that seems to be a movie people like to like

spoil the twist is that Nicole Kidman right is that the one is that the one where they're fucking dead the whole time and they were the ghosts that were in the house rather than the answer to the people. Yep, that is the movie. That is a, I mean, it's good,

but it falls under like the six cents. Right. Yeah. When you know the big twist. Nah, six cents was ten times better than this one, man. Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I'm not comparing how good they, I just lump them in that. The same, the same feel is, like, once you know the spoiler,

and maybe the movie's not as good as it was originally? Yes. All right. Yeah. Because I remember seeing that one in the theaters, and I thought it was pretty good, but I didn't know the twist. But, like, after having known the twist, I've had no desire to go back and watch it again.

Yes. That's pretty much where I'm at on my list. When we get to the later half of the month, I'm actually going to run through the entire Halloween franchise, remakes included. Awesome. I like it. And then I'm going to finish

on Halloween night. I'm going to finish it off with a trick-or-treat. Very nice. But that is my cool of the week. Well, I'm going to go way off the beaten path

for cool of the week this time, guys. And let you guys all know. I'm sure that anyone who listens to the show and has heard me on other podcasts that I've called into knows that I'm, if nothing else, a big Trekkie. Yes. So I'm actually going back through all of the Star Trek Next Generation episodes. Ah. And as I'm doing that, I am following along with another podcast that I'll listen to called Mission Log, where they actually started with the original series and they're moving forward.

so I'm sort of following along with them. But I have been watching season 5, which, in my opinion, is probably the best season of the next generation, and possibly the best season of any Star Trek ever. They've actually had a two-part series called Redemption, parts 1 and 2, which had a lot to do with the Klingons, and Unification, Parts 1 and 2. to where Leonard Nimoy actually showed up as Spock.

And Mark Leonard actually showed up in that one as Sarek, his father. And in my opinion, that two-part episode had everything you would ever want from Star Trek. It had all of the things that make the prime directive so great. And they had all the things in there that had to do with all the races your familiar with, the Klingons. You dealt quite a bit with, you know, with Spock. You dealt a lot with his father who's actually got a disease that even though he has practiced logic his entire life, it's kind of like their version of dementia.

So he's actually, you know, all these years, if you know anything about Vulcan culture, if you're into Star Trek, they are basically taught to suppress their emotional. and be logical about everything. And this is one of those diseases where you kind of lose control of all that in your later years. And you actually overcompensate for your emotions. So like the kind of your emotions sort of go into overdrive. And it's really, yeah, it really makes you think about, you know, problems with, like I said, dementia and things like that that humans also have. So anytime you watch Star Trek, I mean, they're saying a lot about our radio.

even though they're, you know, telling it in the form of alien cultures and things like that. So anyway, that's my cool of the week. Definitely had to give a shout out to season five of the next generation. Yeah, can I add to my cool of the week? Yeah, for sure. I listened to you the other day on the After Midnight podcast. Ah, Denny Lewis. Yeah, good podcast.

And I want to tell Denny, I do remember, and I have seen the peanut butter solution. Is that a movie about people that put women who put peanut butter on their pussy and make the dogs lick it or what? I haven't seen that version of it. What the fuck is going on here? Come on, guys. Am I way off here? Have you never heard of this happening? This is a real thing.

Is there a movie about it? The version I seen was a child was a kid's fantasy movie in the 80s. I don't necessarily know if I've seen the version of Lance scene. I must be thinking of something else then. Sorry, guys. Oh, you were thinking of that one. Yeah, just a quick shout out to Denny over at the After Midnight podcast. He does a very, very good podcast, very interesting.

Yeah, shout out, Denny, dude. We love you, man. You're such a good friend of the show. I mean, this dude is the ultimate stand-up guy. I've known Denny for a couple of years, but I feel like I've known in my whole life. Shout out, man. So as with every show,

it's time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Although I don't think we're covering peanut butter solution, right, guys? Not this week. All right, well, Brian, what is our first new trailer? of the week. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and apologize

for ahead of time because there are some director's names. I'm probably going to butcher. But going in with the whole action theme of this show, we got some action trailers for movies that are coming out, and the first one

is the Hollow Point from director Gonzalo Lopez Galeo starring Ian McShane, Patrick Willis. John Leguizamo and Jim Belushi. That is a solid cast. Yeah.

And the director, I looked him up. The only movies I recognize from him is Apollo 18 in Open Grave. What? Yes. Well, you recognize them for more than I do, because I haven't heard of either one of those. I would stay clear of Apollo 18 if it's the movie I'm thinking of. Is that the one with the aliens? The found footage, alien,

Ghost, yeah. Yeah, that was great. Open Grabe was okay. It had Charlottow Copley. Oh, I've heard of that one, but I've never seen it. I actually heard it was pretty good. Yeah. But I'm really interested in this movie.

There was a, this is a great cast in this movie. Yeah, great cast and a beautiful trailer. Yeah, the preview looks really good. Like, it looks like it's going to be pretty epic. Mm-hmm. I would agree. And, you know, Ian McShane, he looks like a badass in his movie. You know?

Yeah. He kind of has that old sheriff that don't fuck with me attitude. I don't have time for, you know, no bullshit. Right. Yeah. And it looks like, from what I've seen, Patrick Wilson's character is the opposite. I mean, I could be wrong. The clean cut.

Follow the rules. guy. Yeah. Yeah, and then they realize that when you're fighting pure evil, you can't always follow the rules if you want to win. Yeah, and then we got John Leguizamo who looks like he's

playing a hitman of some sort. Okay. Yeah, I didn't really get anything from his character in the preview, but that'd be cool. What is that screaming, man? Are you torturing children over there, Philip, or what? They're I've been in the room

for a few minutes, so they're running wild right now. Man, we're, so we're only, what, two weeks away from our big kids' Halloween show, guys. Yeah. And I'm assuming that they're both down for that. They're going to be in it. Oh, yeah, they'll be there. They're trying their best to be a part of this one. Yeah, tell them, come on in, man, why not, you know?

No, I think we're good. Maybe not the best movie for kids to talk about, huh? Yeah. Well, I don't know. After having seen it. Yeah, this one, it looks like, it's going to be really violent and a lot of drama in this one here. To me, guys, this looked like the part that Ian McShane was made for, you know? I mean, he looks like he's going to be perfect in this role.

Yes. So I'm looking forward to it. We got some more action coming our way, Brian? Yeah, the Hollow Point is coming out pretty soon, actually. December 16th. Oh, cool. Right around the corner. Okay.

Moving on to our second one is sleepless from director Baran Bo Ardar. I believe that's how you pronounce it. This one stars Jamie Fox, T.I., Gabriel Union, and Scoot McNary. Good old scoot. He was in that movie Monsters. Did you guys ever see that one? Yes. He was also in Batman v. Superman.

Was he? He was the guy in the wheelchair. Oh, Jesus Christ. Well, you guys can... That's why I don't remember that one. I tried to forget everything about that movie. This one, this is another movie I'm kind of looking forward to. It looked...

Right. I don't know. Did Jamie Fox's character come? I mean, I think he's an undercover cop in this one, but he kind of came off like he might be a dirty undercover cop. I didn't get that impression at all, man. I thought that they kind of tried to put that on him, but I thought he was pretty much righteous through the whole thing. I mean, that's just the impression I got from just, you know, watching the trailer once. I figured it was going to be one of those.

They make you wonder whether or not he's the dirty one or everybody else is. Nice call. Nice call. Nice call. Nice call. Early in the trailer, I got that he might be dirty and he just stole from the wrong people. Yeah. But it's probably going to keep you guessing the whole movie. Yeah, I got a strong feeling at the end

he's going to come out righteous. I don't think there's any dirtiness to his character at all just from the impression I got. Yeah, I was leaning more towards T.I.'s character because he's supposed to be, partner, but he's not really in the trailer. Oh, I bet he will be, and then he ends up being

the dirty one. We've already solved the twist in the movie. Oh, boy. Why go see it now, huh? But I enjoy Jamie Fox in action movies. A movie that he was in that I think is really underrated was a collateral. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.

Is that the one with Tom Cruise, where he had gray hair? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that was a weird movie. It was cool. I like. that one. And I actually like Jamie Fox and what was it the Miami Vice. Oh yeah. I forgot about that. It's not a great movie but

yeah. I like Jamie Fox in it and you know he does well in these act excuse me in these action movies right. I mean besides Spider-Man when he was in that he was horrible in that one. But yeah

this this one I'm going to check out. I like these type of action movies. Yeah, this one looks like it'll be fun to watch. Definitely a thriller and I think it's one of those keep you guess in crime fillers through the whole movie. When does this one come out, Brian?

This one comes out February 24th. Cool. All right, well I'm in, but I mean, come on guys, I'm always going to know Jamie Fox's Wanda any way you look at it. Yeah. I heard they was going to do a movie

with that character. With Wanda? Yeah. Do you guys ever watch Martin? Of course. Yeah. Yeah, with what was the character? Shenei.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. Last time I read him and Jamie Fox were trying to come up with a movie where they would have those two characters in a movie. No. I hope they don't do that.

That's terrible. So they're going to be trying to grab David Allen Greer and saying, I got you. I got you. Yeah, see, okay, that shit was funny for the time, but I don't think that kind of humor goes today, man. Oh, real, really quick.

I feel bad. I don't know his name. The actor that played Tommy on Martin, he just passed away yesterday. No kidding. Yeah, from, I believe, a stomach aneurism. Oh, wow. Hmm.

Yeah, so I apologize. I don't know his name. He was, I always used to watch that show, and he was always Tommy to me. Right. Yeah. Well, shit. Thomas McCall, Macawford.

Yes. All right. So let me, since you brought that up, let's see if there's anything. Yeah, I mean, it's so new that it just shows that he did pass away. Born in 1964, actor and producer known for Martin, Harlem, Knights, and across the tracks. He recently completed four seasons on TV ones hit show Who Got. jokes hosted by Bill Belamy. Haven't seen that one.

Well, shit, dude. Shot down in his prime, man. That sucks. Yeah. So I just wanted to say a rest in peace to him. And you haven't seen the last of him for a while because I'm looking here. He's had five, no, I'm sorry, six films

in development. Okay. Way to bring the show down. I'm sorry. It is what it is, man. Bring you guys back up with our final trailer, John Wick, Chapter 2. Yes! This is from director Chad.

I'm going to fuck up his name, Stahlhelski, which I did a little research. This is his second movie he's directing other than John Wick. But he actually was in a role that I believe, you got seen The Crow? Yes, the original one? He was the double for Brandon Lee after Brandon Lee got shot. Interesting. Okay. A little interesting fact right there.

Right. This movie stars Keanu Reeves, of course. Common. Bridget Monaghan. Ian McShane again. John Leguizamo again. Ruby Rose and a big surprise to me, Lawrence Fishburn. Yeah, I wasn't expected to see him, man.

He just kind of popped up there at the end. Yeah, which I kind of wish they wouldn't have put them in the trailer. Right. Because now it looks like Morpheus. Because everything I'm reading, I don't think anybody knew Lawrence Fishburn was in this movie. Yeah, I never even mean either. So I think that would have been a cool review for the movie if they would just left that out of the trailer. Right.

But this looks like just a continuation of the first one, which I am perfect. fine with. It's a stand-up movie. It looks super cool. I'm a big fan of Keanu Reeves. Yeah, this has a couple of my favorite bit players in it. You know, like you were saying, Common is in it.

I kind of noticed him right away from the trailer. I've never seen him in anything that I didn't enjoy his performance. You haven't seen the jeeparbershop, have you? Uh-oh. What are you trying to tell me? unnecessary sequel shit

you think fuck okay so anyway keeping things on a high note um Peter Stormair he's in this movie oh really

yeah and so is a character actor named Lance Reddick you guys familiar with him remind me that name sounds familiar yeah he's been around for a really long time he was in the You remember the HBO series, The Wire.

He was in the first John Wick, right? He was in the first John Wick. He's shown up on a number of television shows, but I think the thing I remember him the most is a TV show that was on Fox for about five years called Fringe. Okay. And he played broils. So he was kind of like, I think he was sort of in charge of the, the, the, uh, division that would go and investigate the paranormal occurrences and things like that.

But, yeah, he's a really good character actor, man. Yeah, if he's the actor I'm thinking of, he was also on Oz, on HBO? Could have been. I've never seen Eyes. But yeah, there... He is. I'm looking it up right now. You're exactly right. Yeah, he's... Okay, he plays the hotel manager, or he works at the front desk

from the original John Wick. So, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I've seen him in a lot of things. Yeah, I mean, it's a stand-up cast, guys. I'm really looking forward to this one. Although, I don't know how they're going to do it because the impetus for the first movie was basically they killed his dog and he went nuts. And this one looked like it was going to be overseas or something like that. Yeah, they make the comment in the movie where I think Lawrence Fishburn says something about John Wick retiring. he says he says

I can't even remember the line but basically they're making it hard for John Wick to retire Right So it might be It might be a continuation from the first one Because you know when you Kind of kill one of these higher up guys

You know you're you're kind of fucking with somebody You might be fucking with somebody else's money Oh So it's kind of picking up where the other one left off Yeah because in the Yeah because you kind of see in the trailer he's You see him walking with the dog that he had got from the

vet clinic that he was in at the end of the first one. Right. Yeah. So I think it's just continuing from the first one. That makes sense. Interesting. And it looks like he has a whole bunch of people that he's pissed off. Because

you know, it looks like he's about to have a fight scene with Common. The chick that he looks like he's having a fight scene is Ruby Rose. She's on Orange's and New Black. Yeah, I think it's going to be as good as the first one. I think so, man. It sounds like a pretty awesome movie and I was a big fan of the first one. So, I'll definitely keep an eye out for this one. But yeah, we could

talk about the new Rogue One trailer. It is the final trailer before the movie. You pretty sure about that? That is the final trailer? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. Well, because it comes out in December, right? Yeah. I'm stoked about this one. Right around the corner. Yeah. I'll get the same tingleys that I did from watching the trailer for the last Star Wars movie.

Right. I'm still excited about it. Yeah, we finally get Mads Mickelson revealed in this trailer. Oh, yeah. He looks like a badass. Hannibal. Is he the builder of the... the death star. That is what I'm getting from it.

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting too. It kind of looks like he was forced to build it. Yeah. We need a... I didn't see any Jedi's in this one, though. Um, from what I understand, we won't see Jedi's in this one. We will

see the... We will... We will see the force. Yeah. Well, Vader's in it, obviously. Yeah, we'll get a quick shot of him real quick. Yeah. But I've been on board since I've seen the first teaser to this, so. Oh, yeah. It'll be good.

And now it's time for horror headlines brought to you by Brian. Take it away, Brian. Okay. Not a lot of news this week, so we're just going to kind of report it on some casting news real quick. Stranger Things has added a couple of actors. So it's cast, we have Sadie Sink, which I am not familiar with, but people who watch this show Unbreakable, Kimmy Schmidt, might recognize her. Never heard of her, man. Okay.

Okay. And that, I'm not sure. Dak Ray Mana. Oh, I don't even, I can't even say his name. Montgomery. Okay. He, the only thing I recognize him, he is going to be the Red Range. in a new Power Rangers movie. Well, there you go. That's all you need to know.

The new hit guy. Yep. And moving on to something, Lance, you might be familiar with, is they are doing a TV show about Stephen King's Mr. Mercedes. Oh, yeah, there's actually a series of three books, right? I think so. Before he had passed, they had casted Anton Yelchen. I think I heard something about that, yeah. But, you know, since he had passed, he's been recasted by Harry

Threadaway, I believe, how you say his name. I've heard the name. Yeah, I know him from Penny Dreadful. He played Victor Frankenstein. Okay. So, I'm not too familiar with Mr. Mercedes, so I don't know if this is a good casting or not. So this show is also going to star Brendan Gleason. You guys might have seen him from Star Wars and ex Machina.

Yeah, he's a really big name right now. He's been in quite a few British TV shows, too. He was in an episode of Black Mirror. Okay. And his father is actually an actor as well, a real famous Irish actor. So he comes from a long line of talented actors for sure. Yes, I've seen his dad in a lot of movies. Yeah, he's been around forever.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not too familiar with the story, so I was wondering if you had a chance, if you read the books by any chance. I've read the first book. I know the second one has been published, and I think the third one's coming out. year or something, but, uh, uh, you know, for me, I'm a big Stephen King fan, but this really didn't quite scratch that itch for me because I just thought it, to me, it was more of just like a straight

up, um, you know, kind of like one of those police procedural type things. Okay. And I mean, yeah, I mean, the, you know, the killer was kind of a, a, a sicko, which I like to, to read about people like that for whatever that means about me. but you know it was cool reading his chapters and what was going through his mind but I don't know man

for me at the end of the day it was just kind of a little too much of a you know kind of like a law and order type TV episode or something more of a crime drama I just didn't see a whole lot of now I understand the second book they get a lot more into the supernatural

and they kind of start tying all that into it but yeah it did the first week didn't capture my imagination enough for me to want to rush out and read the other ones yet. Well, there's, there's going to be some time to read the books from what I'm understanding. This show is not going to come out until 2018. Wow.

So right now, I think right now they're just in the beginning stages of the show. Mm-hmm. Trying to get, you know. So is this like a newer Stephen King books? I believe so. Yeah, Mr. Mercedes, it probably came out about five or six years ago, I think. Oh, okay. Would it be my guess.

and it's from what I'm understanding I'm not familiar with this channel it's going to be on AT&T's audience network oh shit actually you know what though I think there is a pretty good show on AT&T called Kingdom

have you guys heard of that one is that the MMA show that's the MMA show I've heard great things about it man I've been trying to catch it from the beginning of like the first season but I always seem to miss it You know what? Can we put that on our list, guys?

And can we actually do a show around that? Because I've heard some fantastic things about it, and I actually started watching one episode of it. And, I mean, it was showing titties, and it was showing fighting, and it was showing blood. And, you know, super violent and a lot of sex. Dude, I mean... You just sold me.

Dude, it looks fucking phenomenal, man. We need to watch this show. Yeah, and it stars Frank. Yeah, it stars Frank. Frank Grillo? Ah, yes. Frank Grillo from one of our favorite trilogies of movies, right, that we

reviewed not too long ago. The Purge. Yeah, I'm into this, guys. Are we making a pact right now? We're going to watch this TV series. Oh, definitely. Yeah, I'll check it out. All right, well, I have AT&T, so I don't know

about you guys, but I'll definitely have it on my TV, Phillips. So if you can't find it, swing by, we'll, I guess, just start watching them. Just kind of marathon them, I guess, huh? Sounds like a play, man. Cool. And with that, that was all the news we had this week.

All right, cool. Well, Lance, you had some listener feedback for us this week. Didn't you? Weren't you a guest star on another podcast? Yeah, so we've gotten some feedback from our podcasting brothers in arms at the Midnight Horror Show. You guys familiar with this show at all? Brian, I think you've heard an episode or two, right?

Yeah, I've listened to an episode about, I think, last week's episode. Yeah, these guys, they've been around for a while. I've listened to them. They've gone through a couple of incarnations. And, yeah, you've got Danny Trioxin. You've got smoke. You've got a guy called Dr. Dark. And I think he actually kind of is the ringleader of the whole thing.

so if you want to blame anything on anyone blame it on Dr. Dark and they're always kind of fucking with him and making a lot of gay jokes about him so you know yeah why not be the butt of all the jokes I hope I'm not leaving anyone else out

they've got a guy on there named Mark who also has another podcast that he does Fancy and Friends I don't know where that came from but they call him Mr. Fancy Pants and I think that might have had to do with an interview that they did with an actress named Tristan Risk You guys familiar with her?

No She was in a movie called American Mary Okay, yes, I've seen that movie Yeah, and she's been in a number of other horror films But I think she referred to him as Mr. Fancy Pants Or something like that So they all fuck with him now So it's a pretty good group of guys

And they've got a wonderful gentleman Scotsman Named Duncan McLeish And Duncan has another podcast that's That's really awesome Called the podcast Under the Stairs And if you guys ever get a chance You should listen to that as well But yeah man

I mean these guys They kind of gave us a shout out On their last shows So I thought we'd give them a shout out on this one the midnight horror show if you guys haven't listened to it um hopefully you're not easily offended but if you are you know probably steer clear because they do they pretty they pretty much go there you know nothing is really tab with these guys yeah very refreshing no no political correctness at all and then of course uh duncan's other other podcast uh the podcast under the stairs is always

solid and right on point. So anyway, that would be, you know, my shout out to our fellow brothers in arms in the podcast community. Yeah, thanks guys for giving us a shout out on the last show. Okay, again, thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback, and as always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page. or you can email us at the horror returns at gmail.com. We'll love to hear from everybody

and hope to hear from you soon. Cool. And now it's time to discuss this week's featured attractions. It's time to launder some money for the mob. So we're going to take a look at the new Ben Affleck film, The Accountant, as well as go back to

1988's classic Midnight Run, starring Robert De Niro and Charles Groden. So as always, we start with trivia. We're going to begin with Midnight Run, a 1988 film directed by Martin Brest, also known for Beverly Hills Cop,

scent of a woman, and what some consider to be one of the worst films of all time, Gigley. I think that's that one started the whole Benifer craze, didn't it, guys? Yeah, I think so.

So, Gidley was Ben Affleck and his at the time wife Jalo. Have you guys ever seen this travesty? Fortunately, yes. I don't think I ever saw it.

Yeah, and I believe Al Pacino shows up in this movie for some reason. No shit. I forgot about that part. Yeah, it is. In favor. Yeah. Yeah, the only thing I really remember about it

is there's a scene where Jennifer Lopez is doing some kind of yoga or something of that nature. Best part of the movie. Only thing I remember. She's talking about how women have a pussy and the pussy is the center of all power

and because we have a pussy, we have the power. Do you remember all that, Brian? I just remember her doing her yoga or stretches. Don't remember anything she said, but... That sounds about right, though. Fair, fair enough, fair enough. So that's, ironically, Gile, of course, had Ben Affleck,

who's featured on our other feature film that we're going to talk about on this show. The writer for Midnight Rowne was George Gallo, also known for Bad Boys and the whole 10 yards. I think he wrote all the bad boys, scripts. Do you guys remember those? Mark Lawrence,

who else was in that one? Will Smith. What did you guys think about those? I love those movies. They're actually the third one's coming out next year. Oh, no shit? Yep.

Sounds like it's going to be on our show. Yes, it is. The second one was really good. Yeah, second one was basically, to me, it was more amped up from the first one as far as actually. Yeah, I thought it was better than the first one.

Mm-hmm. What was the one that had where they were trying to get the body out of the morgue or something. I was just going to say that was the one where Martin ingested the ecstasy. That's right. Yeah. I was thinking about that scene the other day. Robert De Niro spent time with bounty hunters as part of his preparation for this role.

The film, oh, you guys will really enjoy this because I really love the fact that they actually went on location for a lot of the filming. last week when we were here we got together last week and talked about Fantasm you guys can remember that far back Yeah yeah I try We were we were talking about how shitty it was With all the you know the fucking CGI

And not actually filming on location And just kind of faking everything It wasn't on location and Fantasm This film This film was shot entirely on location in Arizona, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Michigan, Manhattan, Las Vegas, Idaho, and believe it or not, the river scene was shot in New Zealand. Now, how's that for fucking going out and working for your art?

They just wanted to take a vacation. Hey, I'm in. In one of the scenes filmed in Las Vegas, you can see the sign for the Stardust Hotel. and casino. The name of a man who once operated that casino is Frank Lefty Rosenthal. Name sounds familiar to any of you

movie fans out there? A little bit. Sounds familiar, but I'm terrible with names. Lefty Rosenthal was the basis for the Robert De Niro character Sam Ace Rothstein and Casino, the 1995 film. Okay.

And our final piece of trivia, before we go into talking about this movie. The word fuck is used exactly 119 times in this movie. Yeah, it was. I didn't even notice.

I didn't even notice. I'm not even lying. Just the way Robert De Niro talks, it sounded normal to me. All right. Philip, on that point, sounds like you probably had a few things to say about this movie.

What did you think? Uh, man, I had actually never watched this before. Nor had I. You know, I've always heard of it being a classic, and I started watching it with my wife, and she actually got up 10 minutes into it and walked in here to watch Netflix. So, but she doesn't really do the older movies. But as soon as it started going, it took a second to get the ball rolling, but once it started going, man, it was a great movie.

It was a A lot of really iconic scenes from this one too I thought about Jay and Simon Bob Strikeback I don't know if anybody's ever seen that one Of course They used a lot of Midnight Run stuff No shit

Yeah And so it kind of added to it a little bit to me It was a really funny movie man It was great like buddy cop story Right But you know with a without having the two cops it was the bounty hunter

and the captive and it was great I thought the characters were awesome I loved it so whose idea was it to watch this movie along with the accountant it was mine Brian I love you man

thank you so much I have never seen this movie before in my life unbelievably because I know a lot of people consider it a you know kind of a classic. Yeah. Now I know why.

I mean, yeah, definitely. Oh, this, this, this thing had every element of a, of a good movie for me that I enjoy. It was a, at its heart, it was a road trip movie. It was a, it was a buddy movie. It had a lot of great comedy, a lot of great action. There was really no part of this movie from the beginning to the end frame that I didn't enjoy. I mean, this was, this was a real treat, and definitely not what I was.

expecting. So, Brian, did you have a lot of memories of this movie growing up, or had you seen it before, or what? I had seen it one time before, but it was a long time ago to where I didn't really remember it. So it was almost as if I was kind of seeing it for the first time. Right. And we were, when I just watched it. And I really enjoyed this. It, it kind of gives me the, a vibe of another movie that I really enjoyed that came out in the 80s was a 48 hours. A little bit of that. Right.

And this is a classic 80s cast. Other people that showed up in this movie, Yafet Koto. Oh yeah, he was great. John Ashton. A lot of people might know him as Taggart from Beverly Hills cop.

Okay. And of course Joe Pantiliano, Joey Pants. Okay. This guy was an ass in the movie. The guy that worked the, what was it, the bail bonds company? Right. Oh, that guy. I love

that guy. The sleaze man. Yeah. Right. But I really, I really enjoyed this movie. Like you said, it was kind of a mix of a buddy cop, but, you know, one of them, you know, they're not cops. Sure.

Mixed in with a road trip movie. And it's really surprising that this movie actually, when it first came out, it was not a success. What? Yeah, and from what I read about it, at first, it wasn't a success,

and then it eventually became a cult classic. Mm-hmm. Which, I guess it spawned like TV sequels. Yeah, I think I heard something about that. They did some made-for-TV movies based on characters. Yeah, I got it pulled up right here. three television movies they're called

Another Midnight Run Midnight Run Around and Midnight Run for Your Life Which those sound horrible Okay Yeah that sounds pretty bad man Doesn't sound very promising Were the same actors in them

Or was it different people playing the characters I don't think it has anything to do With any of the actors from the movie Oh boy Yeah The actors are kind of what made it oh for sure yeah especially uh charles especially uh charles groan he plays that role so

that kind of irritating needling needleing and kind of uh always uh but everything he said was true you know yeah it's like he spoke a lot of truth but in a way you didn't want to hear it i like that guy the first thing my wife said when it came on was is that the guy from beethoven you know what my wife said the same thing Yeah. But a movie I remember him, you guys ever seen a movie he was in with Jim Belushi?

Oh, taking care of business? I think so. It sounds familiar. Yeah, he kind of plays the same character in this. Okay. So that's why I say he plays this role really well. Mm-hmm. Well, De Niro kind of plays the same character in every movie, too,

but he's still pretty awesome. Yeah, except for now. Well, even now, it's not, it kind of still does. Yeah, I'm, I just, I don't know. Yeah, I just don't like the movie choices he does now. Have you seen the one with, I know off topic, but have you seen the one he did with, Zach Ephron? A dirty grandpa?

Yeah. I was told not to watch it, so I don't, I don't know. It's pretty funny. Okay. So it is worth watching? Yeah, it was... See, I had heard it was really bad, and it's definitely super raunchy,

but man, it's funny. It's got some funny moments. Yeah, I mean, I thought this was a great role for him. I mean, this was... In my opinion, this was kind of a continuation of taxi driver. He kind of had that same mentality and the same attitude. Oh, I got you. And just basically like, you know,

fuck you you're talking to me huh you talking to me you know I mean that that's the that's the that's the De Niro that I remember

yeah he was he was great in this he was great in Raging Bull you guys remember that one yeah Brazil that was a good role kind of a you know comedy type role

a little bit I don't if I saw that one yeah Brazil was a Terry Gilliam movie and he played a guy who basically was mistaken. It was a case of mistaken identity. It was like in the quote-unquote not-too-distant future. Oh, okay.

You know, we're kind of like the government runs everything. And they thought he was one guy, but he turned out to be somebody different. And it's kind of like one of those cases of mistaken identity. His name was Harry Tuttle. And I think they mistook him for a guy named Henry Tuttle or something like that. It was one of those weird movies, but it wasn't too bad. And then, of course, he was great as Al Capone and the Untouchables with the baseball bat.

You guys remember that? Yes. Shortly after that was this one, and then he was in Goodfellas. Classic. Never heard of it. But do you guys remember him as Max Cady in the remake of Cape Fear? Oh, yeah, he was definitely creepy enough. movie. Yeah, definitely.

I'm going to argue that that was his last great role. I think so? Yeah. I mean, a lot of people thought he was good he was good in casino and heat, but I didn't think he was great.

I thought that it was his last great role, and then he played the creature in the stupid Frankenstein remake that was fucking horrible. Yes, it was. I don't know if I saw that. For me, it was downhill from there. He was just kind of like trying to play

you know, sort of like a comedy version of himself or something. I liked him in Jackie Brown. I didn't think he had a very big role in that though, did he? I can go back and watch that one. It's been a while. Yeah, it was, I think he had a good size role in that. It was more so, I don't know, he kind of played a different type of character for me.

Well, I'm like Phil I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and go back and rewatch it but I haven't seen Jackie Brown and shit man probably since 2001 or 2002

I was just going to say there are rumors that Scorsese is getting him and Joe Pesci together for his next movie is it going to be a good fella's sequel I don't know This is a lot of rumors going on

That they might have Al Pacino in it And I don't know That would be great That because you know Like someone like Joe Pesci You haven't seen him in years Right

Yeah But tell me any of those dudes Couldn't play off a good Like old mobster You know Who's maybe either Really high up there Or on his way out or something

Yeah and you can if you want to get it well he's not young but if you want to get a younger actor compared to them you know DiCaprio is like Scorsese's new boy now right that's true too so you know you can add him to that mix

yeah so you can add him to that mix he could come in and do something yeah hmm interesting well I guess we'll have to see what happens right yeah but as far as as midnight run goes I did have one problem with it and that was the whole

scene with the ex-wife and daughter. I didn't feel like it was necessary, honestly. I think they had to have some character development and show some sort of vulnerability that like the prisoner character

was, you know, getting underneath his skin a little bit and getting a little closer to him. So they were getting a little closer friends. Yeah, I just kind of felt like the outcome was like this guy is probably still not going to talk to his daughter. Yeah.

I don't know. Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah, there was no great revelation. Nothing really came from that. Yeah. That's just a minor gripe. I could have just did without that whole thing.

Right. Yeah, but it was a big part of, you know, Groden's development, nadling him and saying, you know, you're really good, should go see him. I mean, obviously, the first time he mentioned that, I knew it was coming. I just expected more of a payoff than that. Yeah. I'm with Brian on that one. And what was with the Yafat Koto always taking someone's cigarettes? I think that was just kind of like an end joke or something.

I thought that was funny. I noticed it when he first grabbed him and he put him in his pocket and I was like, right? I walked off of that dude's cigarettes. Yeah, my wife started watching the beginning of this movie and she just was like, why did he just take his cigarettes? Right. Oh, she noticed it right away, huh? Yeah, I was like, I didn't notice at first, but then he kept doing it. Right. I thought it was funny.

There was a lot of little things in this movie that I thought were pretty funny. And what was the actor? He's been in a whole bunch of movies. Dennis. Dennis Farina, the main mobster. He was perfect, man. Oh, yeah, he was definitely perfect. He was perfectly cast for that role.

Yeah, didn't he recently pass away? Did he? Uh, let me, uh, double check that. I wasn't aware of that, but, uh, boy. Yes, yes, he did. He died in, uh, 2013. Wow. What a career he's had, huh?

Yeah. But, uh, he, you're right. He was casted right for that role. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, perfect. But he had the most useless, I guess you would say goons with him. Those guys were funny too, man. He's like that one guy's on the phone and he's trying to call and like explain to the boss what's happening.

Knowing very well that the boss could come kill them whenever he felt like it. Right. And his buddies over there like sticking him with little jabs while he's on the pay phone and kicking him and stuff like their kids. What does the matter with these two idiots? Well, you guys talked about y'all. Afet Koto, always taking the cigarettes. Yeah.

Speaking of smoking, what was up with all the smoking in this movie, man? I mean, was 1980, it wasn't that long ago. And when you think about... Look how much our culture has changed since then. They were on an airplane smoking.

They were in a doctor's office smoking. They were in a waiting room smoking. They were in the DPS office smoking. Yeah, he drops the prisoner off and then while he's standing at the Plexiglass, he just lights up a cigarette and blowing it through the hole right at the guy's face. Nobody says shit. And another thing, you can tell how old this movie is.

People are trying to get on planes with guns, and you just put it in your carry-on, and it's okay. Yeah, big, definitely pre-9-11, huh? You guys ready to get into ratings? Sure. Yeah, for sure. Well, I guess I went first. So I am going to give this one a... Trying to decide between seven and a half and an eight, man.

I think it was really good. I'm going to go ahead and say eight. I think that it's kind of a cult classic mob comedy buddy cop thing. Right. And it's got a lot of aspects, and it's probably going to be copied for many years to come. and it's definitely on a you should watch this list. I would agree wholeheartedly. I also give this movie an eight,

and this was an absolute treat. Brian, I just can't believe I've never seen it before, man. Yeah, me too. I don't know how I missed this one. I am also going to give it an eight. This movie, there's a lot of movies from this time. time period that I enjoyed that it just gave me the same feeling.

Like I said earlier, 48 hours, Beverly Hills Cop. Yep. You know? And like I said, it really, it really surprises me that when I read that this movie

was not a success when it first came out, and it just took years for people to actually watch it. I give it an eight, and I'm checking online, Robert De Niro is trying to do a sequel to this movie. What? Yes.

kind of him years later. Yeah, but maybe this is, besides the Scorsese movie we was talking about, maybe this is a movie that can kind of get him to where he was at one point, I don't know. I don't know, man. I guess we'll reserve judgment.

I'm kind of enjoying it for what it is, you know, as a standalone movie. That's what I was thinking. There's no need to have a sequel for this movie. I think they pretty, much hit the nail on the head when they came out with it and it's not something that looks like you can really improve on it with a sequel all it's going to do is is tarnish the name a little bit and uh i think that he he can do a way better job as an older mob boss because he would kill at that

than being an old man bounty hunter, which is not very intimidating at all. Well, sounds like we're definitely unanimous on this one. So listeners, we strongly, strongly advise if you haven't seen Midnight Run before now, now is the time to go check it out. So going into our feature film, the new movie this week is The Accountant,

which is the new movie, directed by Gavin O'Connor. You guys familiar with his work? I believe he made Warrior. He did direct Warrior, and that was actually one of my favorite films of the last 10 years. That was an awesome, awesome movie. Yes, it was.

He also directed something called Pride and Glory, which I don't think I've seen. I'm not too... Sounds familiar, but then again, it sounds like this... But then again, it sounds like a lot of movies, would have that time. Right.

It was written. The screenplay was by Bill Dubuque, also known for the judge, which was a really good movie. Came out last year. Have you guys seen that one? Robert Downey Jr.? Robert Downey Jr.

Yep. Oh, no, I never saw it. Yeah, I've seen it. Great movie. Great movie. I heard it was good, yeah. The screenplay for this film was featured in the 2011 Blacklist,

a list of the most like unmade scripts of that year. And we've covered a couple of blacklist scripts before. I remember that the shallows, which we reviewed a couple of months back, was a blacklist film as well.

Ben Affleck, J.K. Simmons, John Maranthal, and Cynthia Adai Robinson have all played comic book characters. Batman and Daredevil, Jay Jonah Jameson, and Commissioner Jim Gordon, the Punisher, and also Shane from the Walking Dead,

and then Cynthia Edie Robinson played Amanda Waller. Throughout the film, Ben Affleck's character recites the rhyme Solomon Grundy to calm himself down. In the DC comics, Solomon Grundy is actually a villain who comes into conflict with Batman.

Ironically, Affleck plays Batman, as if any one of our listeners didn't know that. Yeah. So, Philip, I know that you saw this movie because I was walking out of the theater and I saw you and your wife. Yeah, I ran into you at the theater. That was kind of random.

Yeah, same movie theater, and me and AJ didn't even see you there. So what did you think about the movie? Man, I thought it was a little slow at first. It sort of started to play out like any other, like any other thriller drama thing. Right. But then it turned into like this superhero movie, you know? and it was like the autistic kids grew up with superpowers is kind of what it turned into. And I thought that that was a really cool concept.

And I actually really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was awesome. What was your favorite part? I think when Ben Affleck gets in this, when he gets in his little kick-ass mode and starts whooping people's ass. He does it really well. And I like that his math savant thing sort of focuses in on that. Like once he starts kicking ass, he's focused on that, and there's nothing that's going to stop him from doing it.

Kind of didn't see that coming, did you? No, I thought it was... This movie kind of came out of nowhere for me. I never really heard about it before. but it could totally be a comic book series man it sounds even um you know during part of the movie there's a like a house for at the very beginning of the movie there's a house for uh kids with various forms of of autism and stuff right and uh it almost turns into a professor xavier type of thing Yeah, kind of seemed to be going that way, didn't it?

Yeah, but I thought that was cool. I thought it was a cool take on the whole ordeal. I really enjoyed it. Well, Brian, what did you think, man? I had a lot of fun with this movie. I do agree in the beginning it was slow. And it kind of worried me. But then once it started picking up, I really, really had fun with this movie.

Mm-hmm. There was a couple scenes in there. It kind of took me out, but him overall, I think my favorite thing about the movie was his interaction with people.

Yeah. You know, it was kind of awkward. You know, there was a lot of scenes. You know, I had my theater up to some scenes. Like, you can tell he really doesn't want to interact with people

in certain scenes. Well, and the top of autism that he has is, He's Asperger's. And so it's more of a social autism than anything else. Like he's got his little mass savant thing, but he's also super socially awkward. Yeah.

And, but when we got into the action, you know, he was, he was kicking ass. You know, I kind of got a, there was some scenes. I kind of got a John Wick 5. Yeah. Which I'm starting to see that now in certain action movies. Right. but I had a lot of fun with this movie cool well I'm I would say I'm glad I'm glad that you guys did

I didn't really get that much out of it not as much as you guys did anyway the big twist at the end there which of course we're going to go into in spoilers but of course AJ and I both went to see it I did not see the twist coming the how do I say this without spoiling the fact that two people are related that you didn't, I didn't realize they were related,

but AJ picked it up like in the first five minutes of the movie. Yeah, I had seen it too. I caught it early. I caught it, but it was that it, I caught it, but it wasn't too much, too much sooner than I should have caught it. Right. I caught that reveal early,

but there was another reveal that we'll get into in spoilers. Yeah, I didn't expect that one at all. I didn't catch that one at all. I didn't catch that one. Okay. Yeah, I didn't either. But I kind of thought that was a completely different thing. But like you said, we'll talk about it later.

I don't know. I thought it was middle of the road. I mean, it's not like I hated it. And it's not like I'm, you know, pissed off that I spent money to go see the movie or anything like that. But I just didn't find it to be that new. I didn't find that many things in it that they got, that really turned me on to thinking it was one of the better movies we've seen this year or anything like that. Obviously, whoever made this film knows a lot about comic books, and they're probably a nerd,

because you notice that that comic book that he pulled out of the drawer was the first appearance of Superman. In one of the action comics from way back. And I guess he was taking payments in other ways than cash, so it couldn't be easily. traced or whatever. So he would take like, you know, famous paintings or he would take comic books, collectors cards, things like that, and hide them in that, you know, that SUV

that he went around in or whatever. That he kept inside of the the place where he hit it, and nobody knew about it, apparently, but him and Anna Kendrick. Yeah. But, I just... I thought it was just a cool idea that they took these kids that are supposed to be, they're looked down on in the world, you know, like the kids with autism and that they have disability.

And it takes those kids and turns them into superheroes. I thought that that was really cool. If that hadn't been a part of the movie, then it probably would have been just middle of the road to me. But I like that aspect. I thought that was new and cool. Well, I figured this story had to be based on a comic book or something, right? I mean, the way it was written and the way that it was presented. Wouldn't you guys think?

Have you done any... It definitely seems like it, but I didn't get that at the very beginning in the movie. It took me until halfway through it to go, oh, okay. Brian, did you do any research on it to see where the story came from or if it was based on a novel or comic books or anything? No, I kind of just went in this. Like, I seen the trailer one time. And it looked like something that I would be into, and I kind of just went in after that, not knowing anything. Because I didn't even, I don't even remember seeing, like, J.K. Simmons in the trailer or anything.

I didn't know. Yeah, I don't either. I thought it was going to be a super serious, like, thriller, you know, crime thriller kind of thing. And that's kind of not really what it was. I mean, it had that aspect to it. Yeah, it was more of a comic book thing. Yeah, I almost forgot. I agree.

I thought I was in this movie. Oh, I think he was the best part of the movie. No, I'm saying, after watching, I've only seen the trailer one time. I went in this and I forgot he was in the movie. Right. Yeah, I didn't know he's in it until he showed up. And I was like, oh, it's that guy. Yeah, I was kind of in the same boat.

I didn't really remember too much him being in the trailer or anything. But, yeah, man, he steals everything he's in. He steals the show. Don't you guys agree? Mm-hmm. Yeah, pretty much. He's pretty awesome. I mean, he was my favorite character in The Walking Dead.

Too bad they had to kill him off after a season and a half. I know, right? Yeah, I wish they hadn't. And they still go into that discussion on, I don't know if you guys watch the Talking Dead after the Walking Dead. Right. They still go into that discussion sometimes about, you know, where Rick Grimes is now mentally compared to, you know,

when he killed off his buddy, a while back you know and they're kind of at the same spot mentally he was just ahead of the game right yeah makes a lot of sense man so I didn't I did not see that twist coming at the end

I guess we'll talk about that in a little bit do you guys want to get into scores or did you have anything else basic to talk about first yeah I think we can go ahead and get into scores because yeah that's fine it's kind of hard to talk about this movie because they're

There was some reveals and little twist here. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this movie pretty much has, you know, has spoiler written all over it, doesn't it? Yes. I mean, there's not too much we can talk about at this point. All right, cool. Did I go first?

I think so. So you guys want to start it in that direction and go from there? Yeah, sure. Cool. man I'm going to give this one I think I'm going to give it a I'm going to give it an 8 I really enjoyed it

I thought it was super fun it took it a minute to get going but I think it's something they may even be able to build a little franchise off of depending on how well it does but it definitely picks the cult following yeah I could definitely see that coming that they could do

yeah they could do other movies featuring this same group of people? Yeah, definitely. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see that. Brian, what did you think, man? I'm gonna go a little bit higher and give it an 8.5. What? Yeah, I really had fun with this movie. Like I said, when it first started, me and my wife kind of were looking at each other, like, you know, this is not what we

expected. It was slow. Yeah. But once it picked up, it was, for me, I just enjoyed. the ride. Yeah, it was just that first section. You don't really know what to expect. And then once the movie starts going, it gets really good. And I think Ben, I feel like played the role really good.

Oh, yeah. I thought the acting was spot on, especially from him. I mean, I could have, you know, I love J.K. Simmons, but... Oh, yeah, he was great. Somebody, somebody, I think somebody else could have been in this movie. It's not to J.K. Simmons I'm used to. True. Yeah, he maybe didn't have a big enough.

role or they didn't use the comedic aspect that he brings to it as well as they could have. Right. But I thought that he did an awesome job. The black chick that is his successor, I think she did an awesome job. Anna Kendrick, I kind of wish was better, and I love Anna Kendrick. But she didn't so much do it for me in this one. Yeah, Anna Kendrick wasn't in this one. movie very much, you know, compared to what I was expected to believe from the, from the trailer and everything.

You know, I thought she was going to be a real big part. Yeah, big time. Playing the whole movie. She would just let overlook. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm going to go to 8.5. Cool. All right.

Well, you guys really enjoyed it. So I'm assuming you would both highly recommend this, uh, this film to our listeners. Um, yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to go the other way. I'm going to go back to being the Lance everybody knows and loves. and I give it a five. For me, it was just, yeah, it's just kind of middle of the road, you know? I mean, it's not like I hated myself for spending two hours to watch it,

but it wasn't like earth-shattering for me. Let me put it to this way. It was no midnight run. No midnight run. So, uh, spoiler time? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler.

Alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking... Okay, so we've all given our reviews, and obviously you guys loved it a lot more than I did. But, hey, you know, that's why everybody has their own opinion. We're going to go into some spoilers now, and Brian, I think you gave it the highest score, right, of the three of us? Yes.

So, get us going here, man. What was the big reveal? What were the big spoilers on this one? Okay, the first reveal was the character Shane was actually his brother. When you get flashbacks, you always, you know, you see his brother. Right. Never said anything as a child. But I just...

Always looking out for his big brother, though. Yeah. You could tell he was always, he might have been a little angry with his brother's way, the way situations were. But like you said, he always... he always had his back. I kind of seen that early on in the reveal. I think it was in the scene where he was going to see the robotics guy's sister to question her.

Right. And then you've seen John Bernthal walk out and he's kind of following him. I think that's where I kind of got, you know, I kind of feel that, you know, this is the brother. Because you never heard what happened to the brother. Yeah, and I should have put it together sooner Because I kept wondering throughout the whole thing I'm like, okay, when are they going to show his brother? And at first I thought it was like, okay, well,

He went nuts and killed all those gangsters Because they killed his brother, I bet And they ended up being his buddy from the jail or whatever And then for a second I thought I was wrong Because of the flashback to the funeral I thought maybe that was for the brother Yeah, I thought so too, at first.

But then, yeah, the brother thing, I didn't catch it until that scene when he was breaking into the house. And when he started chanting, I caught it when you, I think when you were supposed to catch it. When he started chanting his little chant, and you could tell the brother was looking at the screen and he was like, what the fuck did he just say? Well, that's pretty far into it, man. I think that's where I caught it too. AJ, when did you realize that they were brothers?

Because you told me really early in the movie. You said, they're brothers. And I'm like, whose brothers? What is she talking about? And then I thought, oh, when did you figure it out, AJ? First time I saw his brother. First time she saw Bernthal, she knew it. That's some strong words right there, huh?

Yeah. See, I thought. That was something totally separate to the stories. I did too. I did too. It was a lot earlier than I figured it out. Right. But the final reveal, I did not see that coming.

No, I didn't do that one coming at all. But that was another question I wondered throughout the whole thing. I was like, who is this chick that he's got on the other end of the phone? No, I never thought it was a chick. I assumed from the, I don't know, like the second time he used the phone to talk to, I assumed it was just a computer program like Siri. I thought, okay, this is a really super high advanced computer program. And, you know, kind of like that, what was that movie that, oh, the, come on, help me out here, Brian.

The movie with the guy who fell in love with his operating system, they came out a couple years ago. Her? Yeah, her. Yeah, I thought it was a her scenario. I thought that was like, you know. Yeah, because it, or that he's under some kind of government contract or something. Yeah, because as far as the voice on the phone, at times it didn't sound like it was like a computer. Right.

But then at times it did. So, yeah, I did not see that reveal coming that it was the, that he had met that girl when he first went to that. What would you call it when he went to, when his parents took him to the expert when he was a kid? Charles Xavier is home for autistic children? Yes. That's what it turned into at the end of it, right? Or Miss Peregras home for autistic children or whatever. This is like modern-day mutants.

This is awesome. Right. Yeah, they was pretty well off at the end. Yes, they were. The guy. The guy that was basically seeing if his son wanted to go there, he noticed that the computer the girl had. He mentioned that she can take down the Pentagon with that computer.

Oh, yeah. No kidding, man. Water-cooled computer. But I noticed. earlier in the movie that they were talking about they were auditing him and they said that he had donated $1,100 to that home, remember?

Yes. So now we kind of know where that $1,100 went. What was the $100 for though? Maybe for her to go get nice lunch or something? Or puzzles for them to make? I don't know. Puzzles? Yeah, it could be. Puzzles for them to do upside down where they can't even see the picture.

And they only do it from the way the puzzle pieces fit together. That was kind of a nice touch. Yeah. How did you guys feel about the action? I thought that. He was brutal. Awesome. Yeah, the action was good. I can't argue with that. I mean,

he was a stone cold killer for sure. Yeah. I like how he made sure like he would shoot somebody to the next guy, but then come back to the original guy and pop him one more time in the head. Make sure to shoot him right in the face. What they refer to as the double pop, right? Yes.

That was awesome. Those scenes were very well done. Yeah, I like the scene. He has to finish things. Right? Yeah, I like the scene where he faced off with the guy. The guy pulled a knife and he took his belt off. Yeah.

Oh, yes. Yeah, the first reaction of the guy was like, what the fuck? Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Which, that actor is, his name is Tate Fletcher. He always plays the hands. henchman and he always gets killed. He's the henchman. He's a couple of action movies I liked in the past

a couple years was of course John Wick and the Equalizer. He also plays henchman in that and he dies horribly in those movies too. Wow. Boy, he's definitely typecast, isn't he? Yeah. Well, you know, there's that one, that one like bald Mexican dude and he plays like the cholo in every movie. Right? I know who you're talking about.

Yeah. That guy is one of those actors where you don't know his name, but you probably, you know, like 50 movies. Absolutely. He's played the same character in the last movie he was in. I mean, if it gets you money,

probably be easy to be the same character. Yeah, it's kind of like whatever works, you know? But yeah, I mean, you're right about you guys are right, the action, the action sequences were really good, really well done. And hey, believe me, guys, I did not want to give this a five. I loved, like I said,

Warrior was one of my three favorite movies of that year. If you'll recall, Warrior came out the same year Hannah did, and you remember how much I love that one. And I couldn't decide what was my favorite movie of that year between those two. So, you know, I mean, obviously

I wanted to see great things out of this. It just kind of let me down a little bit. Yeah, a couple things, like I said earlier, that kind of took me out. When they did the flashback to when the kids were, I guess, training in somewhere in Asia. Right. Yeah. That kind of took me out of the, yeah, that kind of took me out for a minute.

And then the whole thing with, what was the agent's name, Medina? Medea? Hey, wait a minute. Medea, that's the movie we're going to watch next week, right, guys? Oh, yeah. opening day but the agent that was

taken over for J.K. Simmons. Right. Oh, that one, yeah. I didn't understand why he chose her

to... Yeah, that didn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, it didn't, but I kind of took it... Yeah, you're right, Philip,

it didn't really matter. I took it with a grain of salt. I mean, it just kind of added to the story, you know? I mean, I understand how he was kind of blackmailing her to do it,

because he had found out about it. past, but at the same time, like, why her? I mean, I'm sure you could have dug up dirt on somebody else. Well, if you guys have watched any of the CW shows, the Arrow show, she does play Amanda Waller when they do the Suicide Squad episodes on CW.

Oh, I need. Yeah, she was really good in that role. So I got nothing against the actress. I mean, I think she was really good. Yeah, I think she did a fine job. just I didn't understand what was the motivation to get her character. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, I mean, I mean, I think it was just said that.

I think it was just about leverage, man. It's just like, they pretty much had her where they wanted her, you know? He could get her to do anything. It kind of would have made more sense if she kind of had a background in solving things. Because he had asked her something about solving puzzles, how good are you as solving puzzles? Mm-hmm. And I was thinking, I thought she was going to be like some kind of, puzzle, master, something.

Yeah. But they didn't really touch on that. Well, that was one of my types with it. Well, look, the movie was two hours and eight minutes as it was, you know, and they had a whole lot of storylines going on. I mean, they can't do

everything. I'm with you. I would have loved to have seen some of her backstory, but I thought it was just fine. I took it for what it was worth, you know? I thought she was really good in that role. And, yeah, but those were my only gripes, you know. And then John Bernthor, did you guys get a Shane vibe from the accent he was used?

Oh, absolutely. A little bit. And that's kind of what I wondered towards the end of it. I was like, I don't think he had that accent when he was a kid. Yeah, that kind of changed it a little bit, didn't they? Yeah, we'll never know because he never spoke as a kid. Yeah, I guess not. All right, well, I think that that pretty much covers this one.

I mean, you guys loved it, eight, eight and a half, respectively. I thought it was middle of the road. I would say it's definitely worth a watch, but I would wait for Netflix or something like that. Just my opinion, that's the beauty of our podcast. Everybody gets to give their own opinion, right? Yeah, I think we needed

a mash-up with the accountant and Jason Bourne. Really? There you go. I hadn't even thought about that. I think that movie would be incredible. Well, we'll check that out, man. We'll put something together for YouTube, right?

Awesome. Yeah, I'm sure somebody can do it. As always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. For up to the minute news, reviews, and interviews, visit our Facebook page at www.com forward slash the horror returns. And follow us on Twitter at at Horror underscore Returns. Also look for us on iTunes and if you like what you hear,

rate us and review us so we can get those numbers up and continue to bring you guys bigger and better stuff. Next week, Brian? Yes. We will not be reviewing

Boo Amadea Halloween. What? I know. It kills me. I will try to go and watch that movie and it might fit in... Or maybe not cool.

But I will try to go watch it for the next show. Well, I can assure you that I will be reviewing that on the next show because I'm definitely going to go see it with my wife and granddaughter. But for the main feature, we will be doing Ouija Origin of Evil and also going back to Witch Board, which is a classic film in many opinions, that also I haven't seen before. Have you, Brian?

One time, a long time ago, so it will be interesting to go do a revisit on that one. So, oh, cool. So, Philip, you haven't seen it either, huh? Uh-uh, I'll have to check it out. Excellent. So, your turn, Brian, on this one. So, until the horror returns again, good night.