The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #20: Witchboard (1986) & Ouija: Origin Of Evil (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: May 29, 2021

This week, it's Ouija board week with Ouija: Origin of Evil and the infamous Witchboard. Thanks for listening!

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This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times.

And boy, what a political climate of the times we have as we're recording here, right, guys? Absolutely. The circus? Yeah, we're as we record. this show we have a presidential election what about a week away right week and a half away something like that yeah i got a lot of early voting going on here oh yeah based on listener feedback we do include spoilers for the new film however we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new

feature and we will let you know before we do so if you don't wish to hear the spoilers simply turn it off at that point and we promise you won't miss a thing we generally have assume that you guys as horror fans have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when we're discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Phillip.

How's it going, guys? What up? What up. All right, so you guys want to start out with? with a cool of the week. All right, so we're actually recording this show about a week later because we had some audio issues. So our cool of the weeks in our first recording that didn't take might have changed based on a few things that have happened this week. Oh, a little bit.

Oh, a little bit. Philip, you want to go first with Cool of the Week, man? Well, my original Cool of the Week was going to be American Horror Story because I finally got caught up with the season. and then I started watching Hotel on Netflix, and I've seen the first few episodes, and I'm really digging it. It's super cool. But forget about that.

My new cool of the week is obviously the Walking Dead. Because holy shit, your eyeball is popping out of your head, and it is gross as shit. Brian, have you seen this? Oh, yes. I got caught up. I got caught up. That was a, that whole episode,

was a big punch in the gut, man. It was, I've missed it so much. It's my favorite show on TV. What did you think, Brian? As far as, the show's already been out. Everybody already knows what happened. The Glenn thing, I seen coming. I didn't see the Abraham thing coming.

See, I thought when they did the Abraham thing, that it wouldn't, that was the end of it. You thought that was it? They ropedopo-doped you, huh? Yeah. Yeah, did you, you guys see the outrage? I guess everybody's turning on Darrell on the internet. Yeah, I've seen that, but I'll put it, I'll put it this way, man.

I think they did it perfectly. I love what they did because I'm an avid comic book. I read the comics. And so I already know that Abraham was the one who took the arrow in the eyeball instead of the Lady Doctor, which is what they set it up for a few episodes back. So, you know, it is, it's right that he's gone, because in the comics he's toast.

That's what they, that's what he said on the Talking Dead afterwards, that he was supposed to have dialed a while back and he was on borrowed time. He knew it was coming. Yeah, and I love the way they did the, they did the double tap there. And they got, and they got, that was awesome. That was the best, uh,

going outlining. Yeah, if you're going to die, man, that dude died like a man. No shit. No shit. But I feel bad for, I feel bad for the ladies they left behind, you know? Yeah. That's going to be tough, man. Yeah.

Especially Maggie. Yeah, boy. And see, so when he died, it wasn't so hard to take. I guess we're full-fledged into spoilers now, but it's been like a week. So, you haven't watched it by now. I'll suck it up. Yeah, if you ain't watched it. By now, I guarantee you

if you're into any social media, you've been spoiled. But the way that they killed, Glenn, oh my God, man. It was, it was hard to watch. It was brutal, man. Yeah, it was really brutal. And I heard

there were some, I don't know, some parents' organization or something that's saying that they went too far. Oh, come on. Yeah, I've seen that too. Everything has gone too far, I mean, there's apparently a lot of fans at the show that say they're not going to watch it anymore because they went too far.

To which I say sucks for you. You've been watching Walking Dead. If you didn't expect some shit like this to happen, probably need to find a different show anyway. Yeah, and to which I say, mission accomplished. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was a fantastic episode. I had the same kind of reaction. Do you remember in Game of Thrones when the, uh,

the mountain crushed that dude's absolutely yes yes I had kind of the same reaction to actually it was it was kind of tougher to watch Lynn died but it was it was that same just staring

blankly at the TV you know as it was happening you're like oh my God what just happened no shit and I I would I'd say the Walking Dead is back because I've been so pissed off at the show the last the last year or so really? Yeah, they've been just, you know, they've been killing little characters who don't really matter.

They really haven't had a big kill in a while. Yeah. This was needed. They haven't. I think that they kind of had to kill, Glenn. Mm-hmm. Just because that's the way it went in the comic book. And if they killed a lesser character.

It would have been a cop-out. Yeah, then it wouldn't have been as big of an impact. I mean, unless they're going to kill Daryl, which, I mean, they can't kill Daryl. Well, there is a character in the comic book who gets kidnapped. but it's a character who's not still alive in the TV show. So I like the way they're keeping lockstep with a comic book really well. So somebody had to be kidnapped. Yeah.

Well, and it sounds like Negan's going to be around for a while, which I think is cool because I love that character. I mean, I hate him, but. That's the point. Man, he's super. They could not have picked a better person. Yeah, Jeffrey Dean Morgan plays that character really well. what are some roles that you remember him and, Brian, that you really like? He was briefly in the Watchman as the comedian.

He was really good in the Washington, right? Yeah. And we're sticking with closer to the genre. Do you guys ever watch a movie called, I believe it was called The Possession? Is that the one about the Dibbick? Yes. Yeah. Was that him?

Really good. Yeah, I believe that. That was him in that movie. It was. Yeah, the Jewish Dibik, the Jewish demon. Yes. Oh, that was with Madis Yahoo was in that movie, wasn't he? I think he was at the very end of it.

What in the hell? Whatever. Any other standout roles you can think of, Brian? Not off the top of my head, no. All right. But he's the excellent choice to play Negan. Yeah, he's been in a bunch of stuff. and I really enjoy him as an actor.

And I think that this particular role could not have been better for him, you know? Like, dude, everybody, when they came out on Talking Dead afterwards, it's like raining and stuff, and the stars are all out there and they're dressed in nines with suits and dresses and stuff. He comes out in, like, jeans and a t-shirt and a baseball cap with like a leather jacket on. No kidding. Yeah, man.

That guy's cool. Yeah, I think they couldn't have chosen anyone better. the ultimate mix of charming and also scary. Yeah. It's scary as fuck, right? Definitely scary. You trying to say something, buddy? Well, Brian, Brian, what's, you know, I know we all thought this is probably at the top of our cool of the week, but, you know, we want to bring something else into the mix.

Yeah. What else would you, would you, you know, stands out for you, man? I really enjoyed the last episode of The Exorcist. I enjoyed the, uh, I enjoyed the, uh. That's pretty good. I still have to say it. Okay. I won't spoil the twist at the end of the episode, but it connects the show to the original movie.

To the movie. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Completely forgot about that series. I don't think I'm going to watch it because I understand it hasn't been renewed. It didn't do very well. Really?

I'm hoping that this episode kind of changes things. I did watch. I did watch the first episode on your recommendation, and I really enjoyed it. I just never, I never finished up. It's only six episodes, right? Yeah. So there's really no excuse not to. Yeah, it was, I really liked the episode.

And like I said, it was, I knew they were going to connect it somehow to the movie, but I didn't see this coming. Maybe it was just me, but I didn't see this connection coming. And I thought it was a, it was a pretty cool. angle. See, there's a lot of shows that I start watching and then kind of forget about halfway through. I don't even start about this. I didn't even start on this one.

I just haven't watched it at all. But it was definitely on my list of things to watch. Yeah, I actually got to catch up on some shows this week because my not-so-cooled the thing of the week is it fucking snowed up here. Oh, wow. Okay. And it actually... It's just a little bit out here in Texas, man.

In Alaska? It actually... What? No. Yeah, there's quite a few of us that do not appreciate the snow up here. And it sucked because I had went in to watch Ouija, and there was nothing, not a snowflake in the air, nothing. And then when the movie was over and I walked out, snow everywhere. Really?

Yes. Oh, man. And I know you're going to, when we talk about the film. you're going to go into more detail about your experience in the movie theater? Yes. So that was just a fucking downer all the way around, huh? Yes, it just added to the night. I'm just happy it's not at 100 degrees right now.

It's still too fucking close to it, man. Yeah, about time I go to work, it'll probably be around like 10 degrees. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's cool. Wow. All right. It sounds cool until you said the 10 degrees part, I'm out. all right folks so uh so you heard you heard it here first

horror returns definitely covers the the globe with our coverage so man it's been a damn good week for horror you know Ouija was actually pretty good you know I think we all kind of enjoyed it um there's there's been some other stuff coming out but uh it's kind of hard not to love the walking dead yeah as my cool of the week but I'm going to go ahead and at least give a

shout out to Black Mirror, which started up again on Netflix. I watched the first three episodes. The first one is called Nosedive, and it's really spot on. You could almost say it's kind of a little bit on the nose, but it's got Bryce Dallas Howard and Alice Eve are the two main actors in it, and it's basically just everybody's walking around on their cell phones and pointing them to other people and rating them on a scale of one to five. Your rating determines everything. Your credit score, how many people like you, what clubs you can get into. In other words, where we're going to be in about five years.

That doesn't sound too far from reality. Which is kind of what Black Mirror tends to do. The second one was called Playtest. I love this one. It's about a guy that's backpacking across Europe and he runs out of money so he answers this ad. He goes into being this experimental virtual reality game. and what he doesn't know is that the virtual reality game kind of senses what his greatest fears are

and adapts the game midgame to account for that. So it's really fucking frightening. This is a dead on horror movie, this episode playtest. And then Shut Up and Dance, which has Braun from Game of Thrones playing basically Bronn, but in the modern day,

and then this little kid that jacks off and looks at porn on his computer all the time, time. And just, I don't want to spoil any of these. I'm just barely skimming what they're about, but basically there's like a power, a powerful group that communicates to them both through their computers and forces them to go do things for them. So Black Mirror, highly recommended. So each episode is a totally different story. Absolutely. Yeah, it's just like, like the Twilight Zone thing. Like the Twilight Zone, but with technology. Okay. Yeah, it's really cool. It's kind of, it's sort of dances that, um,

border between science fiction and horror, I would say. Yeah. So. I want to check that one out, man. I've heard a lot of good things about it. Yeah, it's been one hell of a week, guys. Wouldn't we all agree? Yeah.

Yeah. I've actually started season one of Black Mirror. What do you think so far? Oh, I, based off your recommendation, I checked it out, and I am recommending this show to other people now. Nice. Because that first episode of season one, it was crazy with the prime minister. of England. Yeah, that's probably the

slowest episode so far, the entire show. Oh, wow. Yeah, but it got me, though. What he, not going to spoil it, what he had to do to get the princess back was pretty crazy. Well, is that the only one you've seen at this point? I saw the second

episode, the one where everybody's riding those exercise bikes. Oh, I've got that one, dude. Yeah. 15 million merits. Yes.

And they get credit points for exercising and doing the right thing, but they're kind of like prisoners in a way. Yeah. And it stars the actor that we've seen in the Get Out trailer. And I did not know he was British. Yeah, there's a lot of big actors. You don't know they're British until they speak in their regular voice, you know? But, yeah, I'm two episodes. and I'm, I'm hooked.

Cool. I kind of envy you, man, getting to watch them all from the beginning, you know? Yeah, they're probably going to have my wife watching here, too. Yeah, you'll love it, man. You'll love it. Check it out. Hey, real quick update before we move on to the trailer park, Kingdom. Remember guys, we all made a pact we were going to watch Kingdom?

Oh, that's the... The MMA show. Yeah, have you seen any, Brian? I seen, I had to cut it short. I was in the middle of the first episode, but it looks like I'm going to be sticking with it. Okay, cool. Well, we've both got direct TV, and it's like a direct TV show, so we're set. Yeah, it's on demand.

I saw it. I noticed it yesterday when we got our install done. I looked at. So I'll definitely be checking a couple of those out over the weekend. So you boys ready to take a little trip down to the trailer park? Big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first trailer to talk about this week? We are going to talk about Shut-in.

Shut-in, all right. Directive. Directive. I'm like you, imitating Glenn. He's got a big beer bottle cap in his eye that's popping out. You like that, asshole. Gross as shit. Okay, shut-in directed by Farron Blackburn, who's worked on Luther, Doctor Who, and the Daredevil series.

Stars. Sounds like a British person. A couple of those shows are British, right? Yeah, for the BBC. Right. This movie stars Naomi Watts, Oliver Platt, Charlie Heaton, David Cubit, and Jacob Tremblay. Nice. Yeah, it's a good cast.

I wasn't, like, ultra-impressed with a trailer. It looked like stuff we'd seen before. What'd you guys think? well when we previously recorded tried to record this episode i had said this movie it reminded me of another movie right and the reason i couldn't think of it because it was a movie we were supposed to review but got pulled out of the theaters it was before i wake because the whole creepy kid you're not sure what's going on with him angle right yeah i kind of got that because i don't know if watching the trail i don't know if there's some

something up with this kid if he's really missing or well I kind of felt like it's it's got that same that same vibe that you know a thousand different movies have like the the others or the boy or uh you know it's something like that that's that's gonna be real low key and it's going to be like this this chick alone in the house almost the entire time she's got the kid creepy things are going to happen and it's just going to be little little subtle nuanced things with tense music playing and it's

going to be super serious the whole time. Which is not necessarily a bad movie. I mean, the others are awesome. But, uh, but, uh, I think, I think they're all kind of the same. Yeah, I'm thinking this movie is going to be kind of a slow burn of the mother going insane. Yeah, well, yeah, because you're not going to know what's going to, what's happening the whole movie. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll watch it. I'm not, like, I'm not incredibly excited about this one, guys. Yeah, I mean, I'm not either, but it's not going to stop me from watching it. I imagine it's going to be okay, but it's not something I'm going to like, oh, I got to go see this at the movies, you know? Right. Yeah. It's a wait for DVD kind of thing. Yeah, this one comes out November 11th.

So we may be covering it. Yeah, quite possibly. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. November 11th. Isn't that the same date? that that movie The Monster comes out on video on demand? You guys heard about this one at all? Not monsters, but I think it's called

The Monster. Yeah, funny thing you brought it up. I've actually seen this movie. No shit. Yes, if you guys have DirecTV, I don't know if it's still on there, but you can rent it on direct TV for... Yeah, okay.

And I think it'll be on there until the theater date. so um how was it i wasn't sure what to get from the preview like it i it looks interesting i actually i didn't i got to i probably had like 30 minutes left at a movie and i didn't get to finish it but it was it was okay i mean it kind of had that thing going where you kind of felt like the mom was really shitty and then it kind of made you there was a couple scenes that you kind of felt the daughter was kind of shitty too okay and um you know they get stranded

in the middle of nowhere and there's a monster I remember the trailer now yeah and um as far as that that's probably where I as far as I got is it I never got to finish it people get eaten is dude yeah

uh This is shit like you for breakfast. But, I mean, it's from the most that I watched of it. I thought it was pretty good. Okay. Hey, Brian, you're familiar with the Black Saint over there at Horror News Radio, right? Yes. He loved it.

Yes, I've seen that on Facebook. Yeah, he said it was the best genre film, if not the best film of the year. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I like what was going on with the mom and daughter. Right. that kind of added to the whole, you know, to the movie where, you know, you also got a monster, you know, stalking them. Right. So, but I'm not going to give my full review or judgment on it because I, like I said, I didn't get to finish it.

Cool. All right. Well, what else you want to talk about, man? Okay. We're going to talk about the autopsy of Jane Doe. This one I am really looking forward to. Yes, this one stopped. stars Emil Hirsch and Brian Cox, directed by Andre Orelldo.

If I'm probably messed that name up. He was the director of Troll Hunter. Which was a Swedish film, right? Yes, sir. And wasn't it sort of like a, correct me if I'm wrong, it was kind of like a not really found footage, but kind of like filming on the scene of them actually literally hunting a troll? Yeah, I've,

I know it's on Netflix. I've never seen it. Yeah, I'm not sure if I've seen it. It's super low budget. I've seen it. Yeah. It's, I mean... Figured you had, Philip.

If it's on Netflix, it's fucking free, it's for you, right? Yeah, it's super low budget. Man, you get in that weird place in Netflix, so they've got some strange horror movies. And it's all right. I mean, and nothing to write home about. Worth the watch? Yeah.

I mean, I don't... If you have a relatively... If you're really bored. Because it is definitely low budget. It's foreign, so it's different. Is it does? No. Subtitles.

I don't. I think they're speaking English in most of it. I can't remember. I don't know. I can't remember. I don't really have a hard time with subtitles most of the time. I kind of forget that they're there if I am watching stuff in subtitles. but it was just

you know again super low budget like the special effects are not exactly awesome it's kind of a stupid story kind of bring on the cheese huh yeah yeah but I mean it wasn't terrible to watch

it was worth to watch right what did you guys think about the autopsy of Jane Doe I'm excited about it I think it looks great yeah yeah I think it does it's basically just the two guys in

one room and it's two really good actors Brian, Brian Paxon, who was the other guy in it? Email Hirsch. Email Hirsch. Email Hirsch. Right? Oh, Emil Hirsch. I like him.

Yeah, to me, he's kind of hit or miss. Yeah? Yeah, like, I didn't like him in that one where he, into the wild, I think it was called, where he went out. You didn't like Into the Wild? No, I thought he was a dumbass. I thought he was a dumbass, dude. I mean, who the fuck's going to give all that up and go live out in the fucking woods and try to keep meat from spoiling and shit? like that.

Oh, I love that movie. I love that movie. That's my man right there. I totally do that. Oh, man. You totally fucking die, man. Actually, you might can survive. You've got a skill set.

He probably didn't have when anyone out. No, he's really good. I didn't really know, I don't know, I didn't get a lot from the preview just because it's, it didn't, it kind of showed the same shit, you know, I mean, it seems like the whole movie is probably just these two guys in a room with a dead body.

Yeah, kind of like a play almost. Yeah. And I mean, it may turn out to be cool. I don't know. It was just, I didn't get a lot from the preview. I didn't get that. Oh, I got to see this. Right.

From that. Brian, what are your thoughts, man? Yeah, did you guys watch the regular trailer or the Red Band trailer? It was pretty gory. So I suspect that I've been the Red Band. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I think I watched the Red Band. I mean, there was some blood, but it wasn't crazy. Yeah, they were similar, but I believe the Red Band had a scene where it had me really intrigued on what's going on with this body, because they, they both had this look on their face of just total horror and was just scared.

And I, I'm intrigued, like I said, I want to see what's going on with this body. I watch a good cast. Yeah, this one's due out December 21st. Cool. So not too far off. A real good Christmas movie, huh? Absolutely. Yeah, maybe a Lazarus effect vibe from it.

I don't think I've seen that one. It wasn't bad. Oh, that's the one with the really hot chick in it. Yeah, the hot chick from house. Olivia Wilde. Ah, yes. She seems so cool. Okay, Donald Glover was in that too,

right? Yes. Yeah, the new Lando Caloosa. All right, I have seen that. It wasn't super great, but it was, it had some good talent. It wasn't bad at all. It sort of fell into the mix. Right.

You know, and I, okay. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. It kind of felt like flatliners to me. Yeah. I guess I could see that. It wasn't really like flatliners, but I can see where you would see that. Okay.

another movie coming out December 21st is Assassin's Creed directed by Justin Curzel who did Macbeth in Snowtown this star is Michael Faspender Marion Cotiar Jeremy Irons Brendan Gleason and Michael K. Williams This was a cool preview man I'm stoked

Yeah, way better than the first trailer Yeah well it just in general I saw the trailer on, I don't know, whatever movie it was that we went to see not too long ago. And I've kind of been excited from it or about it since then. Fast Bender seems super cool. He's a great actor. I don't think I've seen him in anything that I didn't like. And it looks like maybe they're taking video game movies in a totally,

or in a totally different direction, you know? Because, I mean, how many videos are. game movies have turned out to be great. In my estimation, zero. Not one of the other seen a good video game movie. But this one looks really good. Maybe they're taking it in a comic book kind of direction,

you know? Yeah, and from a couple people I talked to, they said it's not 100% accurate to the game, but it's pretty close from what they've seen in the trailer. Okay. It's been a while since I've played Assassin's Creed.

I actually, Our Xbox just crapped out. So my son just got a new Xbox one, which means I bought it for myself. Which means you just got a new Xbox one. I said that it was a present one. Right. Because I'm a terrible father. Anyway.

He's six. I got him an Xbox one. Hey. Cool. Hey, man. Anyway, I got a Assassin's Creed Black Flag and started playing in it a little bit. It's like a pirate kind of. I thought with Black Flag.

flag it might be. I kind of got that vibe from the title. Yeah. And it's sort of a confusing concept, the whole Assassin's Creed thing. I mean, you really got to pay attention to what's... I mean, because all the backstory stuff is just backstory. You don't

necessarily have to know it to play the game. Right. But... But it fills everything in for you if you know the backstory. In a movie... That's pretty cool. It sounds like maybe they're making it make a little more sense and a little more key to the process.

All right. Well, you guys are thrilled about it. I kind of like the look at it. I have to admit, I like the look of the trailer, but I am going to reserve judgment. Yeah. Based on my fucking horrible history with video game movies. I don't blame you. I don't know.

The parkour shit looks pretty cool. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. Okay, moving on to our next trailer, Logan, directed by James Mangold, stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, and Daphne Keene. Okay. That's my jam.

Yeah, I don't know too much about the old man, Logan story. Maybe you guys can fill me in a little bit here and who this little kid is and everything, because I probably quit reading X-Men like in the late 80s when I got married, and no longer had $100 a week to spend on comic books. Yeah, I kind of quit reading them in the 1990s. You know, I wouldn't get anymore. Yeah, I did a little bit of research. I'm going to see it.

Yeah, I did a little bit of research on the story it's based on, which they had to cut a lot of elements out of the story because they don't have the rights to some of the characters. Oh, that makes sense. So that's the only thing that's got me a little bit worried because the original story, basically all the villains have won and taken over. The Red Skull is the president of the United States. Oh shit. I didn't see any of it in the trailer. Yeah. If they did...

Well, because Disney owns the rights to Red Skull. Yeah, if they did the comic book as a movie, this would probably be one of the best movies ever. Because like I said, you got the Red Skull as president. There's an inbred Hillbilly Hulk family. Okay. That is basically villains. Yeah. Hawkeyes in the movie, and he's blind.

Okay. And the X-Men are dead. Wolverine stuff gets real dark, man. Like, is he going to the comics? Yeah, the X-Men are dead because Wolverine was basically his mind was played with, and he ended up killing all the X-Men. And that leads him to not wanting to use his claws. Oh, I got you.

You kind of pulled a Daryl on the Walking Dead with Glenn, huh? Yes. But judging from this, you know, they've had to obviously you know, take a lot of elements out of the story. But I'm interested to see, because there is a funeral scene in the movie, in the trailer. And I'm wondering, because this movie's set in 2024. Oh, okay. So is it possible, it might be a possibility that he did kill quite a few people that he didn't mean to kill.

They have the rights to the X-Men. So I imagine that that'll probably play into the story. And okay, the little girl is like a clone, right? Yeah, I believe it's X23. She's a clone, a female clone of Wolverine. Okay. So. I thought the trailer looked pretty cool, man.

The play in the Johnny Cash hurt in the background was awesome. I think Hugh Jackman looks cool as shit playing this role. And I heard it's going to be his last Wolverine role. Yes, and this movie's also going to be rated R. Yeah, oh yeah, rated R too. So I imagine they're going to go a little on the dark side of it. And it's probably going to be pretty intense. I really like the last movie.

Yeah, I'm really pulling for this movie because if he's going, if Hugh Jackman's going out, I want him to go out. with a bang. Yeah. And so far, just judging from this trailer, I'm excited for this movie. I remember when X-Men first came out and they announced Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and I'm like, right? I don't know. Didn't think that was going to work, huh?

Yeah, I was a little unsure. And then, he's pulled it off from the start. Have you guys ever seen Mission Impossible, too? Oh, I'm sure I have. I can't remember it off the top of my head. Yeah. If you guys can remember or not, the guy that's, that was the villain in that movie

was supposed to be Wolverine. Really? Yeah, and I believe that is, he passed on the role to do that movie. He passed on X-Men to do Mission Impossible 2. Yeah, I could be wrong,

but I think I could be wrong, but I believe that's what happened. I can't think of the actor's name, but I'm sure he's kicking himself. Well, it sucks for him then. Because he made a bad decision. But, uh, Let's see. Logan is due to come out March 3rd, 2017.

All right. I'm sure we're all going to watch it. Kind of as an aside, sort of a funny thing. When I saw, I didn't know Logan was about Wolverine. Actually, I saw a picture like a still from the trailer on one of the websites I was at. And with a beard and everything, I thought it was fucking Mel Gibson. I thought, oh, Mel Gibson has another new movie coming out, huh? He's very Mel Gibson looking at this movie. I don't know.

Just that's the feeling that I got from it, Brian. Yeah. Doug Ray Scott, the villain from Mission Impossible 2. Yes, he could have been... He's been in a lot of stuff. Scott's actor. Oh, yeah. Now, I'm down with that.

He was the hit man. Oh, that movie sucked. Yeah, that movie's bad. Okay. There you go. There you have it. There's a lot of video game movies. It was terrible.

No shit. Full circle. Okay, and we are going to move on to our final trailer, which is only a teaser trailer. Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 2, directed by James Gunn, and starring everybody from the first one. We're all pumped. Yeah, I mean, can't go wrong with this one. Honestly, I'm not as excited about this one as I am about the Logan trailer. No shit.

Well, yeah, but I mean, Wolverine's always been my guy since I was kidding. My son's name is Logan. And it is straight from Wolverine. All right. I get it now. Okay, fair enough. But we will definitely watch this movie for the horror returns. But the first Guardians of the Galaxy was awesome.

And I'm definitely down to watch this one. Yeah, I think I'm equally excited for this one. Because I just want to go further into this whole world that they set up in the first movie. Yeah, my favorite. there's not much to be said for this. It was just more of like a teaser, really, but my favorite shot was obviously the very end there with Little Groot on top of Rocket Raccoon.

Oh, yes. Sort of an opposite from the original poster. Yes, and you already know this is going to be a hot-selling toy when it comes out. Oh, you think? Yeah. Because when they came out with that baby group, that potted baby group, I've seen them everywhere.

Was that a pop toy or an action figure? Yeah, but basically everything. Right. And I've seen it everywhere. So I'm pretty sure come next year, we're going to see little groups everywhere, little figures. But another thing that I'm really excited to see is Kurt Russell in this movie. Oh, yeah, he's good in everything he does. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He's his dad, right? Star Lord's dad? Yeah. Yeah, it's already been confirmed. So we're going to get a... Yeah, ego, the living planet. Oh, right, okay.

Man, that's... So, uh... Yeah, I don't... I don't know if there's really much to say. I mean, we're all excited to see this movie. Yeah? This movie, yeah. This movie comes out May 5th, 2017, so...

Right around the corner, man. Yeah, I'm down with it. I mean, I've been waiting for it. It didn't get me any more excited than I already was. And now it's time for horror headlines brought to you by Brian. Take it away, Brian. Okay, our first news item, Jody Foster is set to direct an episode for the already planned for season of Black Mirror. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.

Well, I mean, from just watching the show, what did we find? out, I don't even have that with me, and we talked about it on the last before. I thought she had directed a couple of different movies like Contact that in fact she hadn't. Oh, she didn't direct contact? No, but I knew she had directed the one with Mel Gibson in it where he talked to the Beaver or whatever, the Stuff Beaver. What? Yeah, I think it's called The Beaver. Yeah, it's, it kind of sucked, to be honest with you.

Maybe I'm not so excited about her directing. Come on, Brian. Help us out here, dude. It's got to be more than she's directed. I'm looking. Oh, you said Orange is the New Black, right? Yeah, she did episodes for Orange is the New Black. That's right.

House of Cards. That's right. And recently, she directed a Money Monster with... Oh, okay. I can't think of his name. Mel Gibson. No. No.

Oh, George Clooney. Okay. George Clooney. Yes. I think Bill Gibson was in that. Oh, that was the beaver he was talking about. All right. But yeah.

I haven't seen House of Cards. I've been told it's an excellent show. It is excellent, man. I've seen every one of them from the beginning. Yeah, everybody keeps telling me to watch it. I haven't seen it. Yeah. I'm sorry to interrupt.

Oh, go ahead. Have you guys, by any chance, seen Luke Cage? Yes. I am. I started it. I haven't finished it. Cotton Mouth? Yes.

Yes. He has a character in House of Cards. His name is Remy. Okay. He steals the fucking show. Really? He is fantastic in that show. Yeah, so House of Cards, yeah, if you guys get a chance, I would strongly, strongly

suggest watching it. Highly recommend that one. Yeah. And it's one of those shows that keeps reinventing itself. Yeah. So the first, Kevin Spacey's pretty much always the same. but the first season and with the characters that some characters that stay on, some that leave,

like the first season has one storyline, the second's almost like a completely different storyline. By the time you get to the third, he's moved into a different position and things totally change. It's a good show. How many seasons are there? I think four or five so far. See, there's so many good TV shows right now, man.

I don't know. I don't have time to watch all of them. That is the problem. that is definitely a problem. Especially when you've got three seasons of some shit built up. You know, that's right. Dude, that's at least a couple of weeks out of your time. It's a big investment.

Yeah, I think for the most part, you know, everything I'm hearing about Black Mirror and seeing the thing she's direct, I think it'll be pretty good. Cool. All right. Looking forward to it. Okay. Our next, staying in the television world, Christopher Lloyd joins the cast of SciFides 12 Monkeys for season three.

Christopher Lloyd Like Back to the future Christopher? Is Doc Brown Okay Which I believe Just turned 70

Sorry about that Oh man I've never seen the show But I mean How could that be a bad thing? Is he still alive? He just turned 70 I think he just turned 70

Oh okay So I've seen the first season. It's, you know, it's pretty good. I haven't seen the second season. But pretty much, I think if you enjoy the movie, I think you'll enjoy the show. Yeah, I did enjoy the movie.

I like anything that Terry Gilliams done. But the way they ended that movie, it's kind of like, how in the fuck do you go from that, you know? I mean, it was basically like the end of the world. Armageddon, you know, this fucking idiot ended up causing the end of the world. So how do you, where do you go from there?

I mean, I assume there's a lot of time travel in it. Yeah, in the show. Yeah, in the show? Is it more of like a monster of the week thing where they like, they're in the 50s this episode and then they're like in the 70s this episode and then the roaring 20s or you know, I mean, what's

what's the setup? He doesn't. A lot of the time periods he goes back to is around, you know, a lot of the same times. He doesn't go like to the 20s or, you know, further. Yeah. It's

constantly trying to figure out where this virus came from, who's trying to put it out there. Okay, so it's more attempts to stop the virus. Yes. Okay. That makes sense. Hmm. Which I guess

if you have a time travel machine, you can hit the reset button anytime you want, huh? I guess so. But like I said, I haven't seen season two, but somebody I know that watches it still says it's a good show. So I'll check it. Yeah, I'll check it out at some time. I'll have to watch the show. Yeah.

And our final thing we're going to talk about is Mike Flanagan, who's done the movie we'll be talking about later. And other movies like Oculus and Hush. he is adapting Stephen King's Gerald's game for Netflix starring Carla Gujino and Bruce Greenwood

That's going to be interesting Is it going to be Like a movie or a series? I believe it's going to be a movie Okay Okay I could be wrong though

I think I heard it was going to be A one-shot movie too Which there's no way I could see it being a series Do you guys know the plot of the book? No No The basic plot of the book

is, it's real simple. It's this lady and her husband are into super kinky sex and he handcuffs her to the bed, goes into the other room and gets, it's like a heart attack or something, and drops dead on the floor. So basically the entire book is her handcuffed to a bed, naked. Oh. Yeah, that's it. Although it gets really weird because things go on and you're wondering like, is this really happening or is it just in her head, you know, things like that. But, you know, we were talking about the, the autopsy of Jane Doe movie, how it's kind of like a, almost like a play, whereas just the two guys in a room.

Well, this is like one naked chick in a room, handcuffed. Okay. This actually sounds pretty damn good, doesn't it. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't sound like the one. Yeah, it's a car, I really enjoy a Culleguino, so. Hmm. Well, let's hope that, oh, wasn't she the one that played The Rock's wife in the

what was the movie fuck it came out San Andreas yeah San Andreas yeah yeah

she's been in she's been in a whole bunch of movies okay she is she is pretty damn hot although she's not as hot as the Rock's daughter in that movie in my humble oh no

oh that was Alexandra de Dario Dario yeah boy all right you got my attention.

Twice. So other than that news coming out, there's no time frame of the movie coming out. You don't actually have any listener feedback this week, but I wanted to take this time to tell you guys about the Texas Fright Mirror weekend. Lance and I are going to be there. Brian, maybe to get your act together and come down in Texas, brother. It just crossed. But it's a three-day weekend. It's, what is it, May, 5th, 6th, and 7th.

So you got to waste to buy your tickets. But it sounds like they're going to have a bunch of really cool people. They've got the cast of 31. So a lot of Rob Zombies people are going to be there. That I'm looking forward to, particularly one Malcolm McDowell, who might be a little better known for a certain other role. He's a clockwork orange guy. Yeah, and he's been in a thousand movies.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, anybody who's listening to this podcast knows me. How can they tell really well? And Doomhead, Richard Brake, he was, he's also in Game of Thrones. He plays the, yeah, he plays the badass. The Ice King or whatever. Yeah, he plays the World. White Walker.

Okay. Yeah, he was really good in 31. Yeah, he was. He was really kick-out. Right. Yes, because you've seen this film, Brian, and we haven't. I saw it. Yeah.

Oh, you've seen it too. Yeah, it's good. It's not House of a Thousand, of course, it's good. Right. But it's fun to watch. And I'm the big Rob Zombie Apologist of everybody, so I really need to see that movie. And it looks like they've added Shannon Elizabeth. Okay.

Keith David's going to be there. Oh, man. You had me at Keith David. Yeah. And a couple of the kids, including 11, from Stranger Things. Cool. Nice. Sounds like it should be a pretty awesome time.

You guys come up and see us. We'll be wandering around. Feel free to grab us and talk to us and say what's up. Absolutely. We'll buy you guys a beer. Yeah. You buy us three? But yeah, aside from that, though, thanks to everyone who reaches out for us.

We love the feedback. As always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page, or you can email us at thehorror Returns at gmail.com. I love to hear from you whenever you get a chance. All right, cool. So that's our listener feedback. So you know what that means, folks? On to tonight's featured attractions.

This week we're going to focus on the Ouija board, taking on the brand new movie Ouija Origin of Evil. Well, actually, as we record this, it's a week old, but, you know, half a week, whatever. Hey, we got to it first. Yeah, we got to it first, as well as 1986's Witchboard. So we will start out with trivia for the classic film, which is Witchboard. Director and writer Kevin Tenney, also known for Witchboard 2, Night of the Demons, and Pinocchio's Revenge. The house in the film was also used in waxwork, an 88 movie, and Willard, a 1971 movie. This Los Angeles home has since been retired as a filming location.

Witchboard was produced for $2 million. Would not call it a runaway success since its release in 1986. It has grossed just over $7 million in ticket sales. And of course, it was followed up by Witchboard 2, as well as Witchboard 3, the possession. Now, Brian, you and I talked off-air about this a lot as well as what we discussed last week. I know you are just dying to get to Witchboard. Yes.

It is my favorite movie of all time. No, I'm just playing. I've seen this a long time ago, so re-watching it was interesting. Right. Doesn't hold up to how I remember it. The acting is incredibly bad in this movie. Incredibly bad.

The main two male actors in this movie are horrible. They are a couple of assholes on top of that. And I don't understand and how they was ever, I don't understand how Tony Catan was ever with either one

of these guys. Now now you're getting Personal, man. Come on. Do you have for the lead singer, White Snake. Oh, come on. But, um, it wasn't that bad. Um, I mean, I like the whole, you know, the whole thing with the Ouija board and the ghost, uh, basically lying about, you know, because they always, you know, we'll get

to another movie, you know, ghosts can't lie about who they are with the Ouija board. And I like, I like that whole aspect of it, but. this movie is dated yeah i've i've seen i've seen a lot of 80s movies and you know there's a lot of good ones that hold up to today this one does not yeah it's 80s cheese and a half man all right well you you took the words right out of my mouth there philip

god name it uh man i really wanted to go next because i've got a feeling that i'm going to be the buffer between you two guys because okay i didn't hate it i don't think as much as you guys did I remember it. I do remember watching it when I was younger. 86 was actually the year I graduated high school, so quite some time back. But I think I watched this on like USA Up All Night with Ronda Shears, if you guys remember that. Okay.

Yes. And let's just say there was some chemical assistance with helping to enjoy the film at the time. And, I mean, you know, I didn't hate this movie. Upon rewatch, I actually watched it when I was at work. and it was one of those things where, okay, 99% of the movie was like total vanilla milk. Nothing to it. You know what I'm saying? Like no gore, no cursing, no nudity.

And then you get to that fucking shower scene. And I could have sworn, I swear there's a lady from accounting that brought some paperwork into my office. And it was probably five minutes before that scene. So if she'd been five minutes later, I would have been fucked. but she comes in and she's looking at the screen and she's like looks at me looks at the screen looks at me looks at the screen what the fuck are you watching it's like this piece of shit

you know and then of course you know the scene where the two boys you know that used to be best buds or whatever they go up to big bear whatever the hell that is I assume the lake or whatever their little homo erotic I didn't even read that into it Philip you're killing me dude

I was going to talk about the fucking fake plastic barrels that fall down and smashed them into the water. But no, I don't think I hated as much as you guys did. But, you know, Philip, what do you, what do you say, brother? What about this movie, Witchboard? It's considered a classic. By some. That's a stretch. I think Tony Catan's husband calls it a classic or something.

Yeah, it's, it is 80s cheese at its best. Best or worst, however you want to look at it. Tony Catan is, like, I want to say that she's the bright spot in this movie, but her acting is not really great either. And the other two guys are terrible. Every time that motherfucker laughed, dude, I want him to, like, slapping. Oh, the main guy? Yeah, the main guy.

Like, he had this. Not the rich douchebags. Well, yeah, no, because they each had their own little thing. Right. The main guy was like he would do. just randomly laugh at the other dude and it was so forced that it was completely fake. And then the other guy was completely the opposite. Like he'd fly off the handle and he's like, God damn it.

I'm serious. Yeah, I think I hated him more because everything was overacted with him. The juggling detective or whatever, the magic, the magician detective. That guy. Super weird. Super weird. Does he even need to be in the movie? I don't understand what the fucking point is.

Was he even really a detective? This guy wanted to be a magician or a juggler or... I think they were going for that quirky, like, Boondock Saints detective thing. I mean, even though obviously it was before then, but they didn't. Yeah, I don't... Did he do any investigation in this movie? Yeah, no, there wasn't any kind of investigation. He would just show up from time to time because he's following people around.

Yeah, he got lucky at the end. I don't know, man. It was, it was, it was pretty bad. It was, it was kind of fun to watch. But yeah, the acting was, I mean, it was, it was in between just 80s acting and really bad. So I don't really know which way to go with it. I'm kind of surprised that they came out with a sequel to it. Two sequels. Yeah. But hey, you know, they came out with the sequel to Ouija. So what are you going to do?

Guys, you don't mind if I speculate a little bit here about maybe some things that might have been going on behind the scenes at the filming of this movie? Sure. Go ahead. Major board evil stuff? I don't know about that. Tony Catan was possessed. Well, I'll tell you what. Tony Catan was like probably the only name person

that you knew about in this movie, except for, of course, Rosemary, who played the older lady, the landlord. Tony Catan is better known from her white snake video where she's dancing on the hood of the car. Let me tell you something else. Just in case. Tell you something else she's better known for.

I'm going to read an article here. This is from Reuters, April 4, 2002. Reuters reports that, model and actress Tani Kattain was arrested Monday for beating her husband Chuck Finlay, a pitcher for the Cleveland Indians baseball team. According to the report, the couple started arguing in their car on the way home from dinner in California's Newport Beach area, where the couple live with their two children. Katain allegedly kicked Finlay with her high-hill shoes, stomped on his foot while it was

on the accelerator pedal of their car, and twisted his ear. Leaving Finlay with her, visible bruises and abrasions. This is why you hear about dudes that like jump out of the car while it's going. After- You don't hear about guys doing that. You don't hear about women doing it. But guys are like, I can't deal with this anymore and I'm leaving. And they just jump out of the moving car.

After arriving home, the couple continued to fight, making such a ruckus that a neighbor called police. When police arrived at the couple's home, Catan was taken into custody. She was arraigned on Wednesday, at which time she was officially charged with domestic abuse and ordered by the judge to stay away from Finlay until her next court appearance. She was also arrested the year prior for allegedly vandalizing a car and was due to appear in court this month on those charges. In addition to this, I did a little bit more research.

She also has had seven DUIs. I guess my point is this. Do you guys think there might have been some. cocaine somewhere on the set of witch board that makes a whole lot of sense right the off you guys think they might have been using that Ouija board

for a little bit more than just putting a plant chat on it and letting it move yeah I there might have been when when she has her little turn at the end is uh what was the ghost name to demon oh I can't remember man Malfaedor

yeah her her portrayal I've ever seen my wife. Some weird guy with a fucking beard? What the hell? Yeah. Her portrayal of that guy was horrible. Oh, yeah. She's put on a little suit and a hat.

She gets possessed and then she puts the hat on and that means that she's possessed obviously. Yes. She like jumps on his back. They telegraphed it. Yeah, dude. It wasn't even scary when she got possessed. I'm like, I'm sorry, dude.

If you're going to possess it. a hot chick and do something with it, then you got to do something more than put her in a hat and just have her jump on the back of somebody. Yeah, I think we've probably covered most of the high points. I did like the ending.

I thought it was kind of neat with a little twist where you thought it was a funeral, but it actually ended up being a wedding. Okay. That was kind of neat. Yeah, all right. I can do with that. You know? I think it had a good idea. I think it was good movie behind it somewhere. Right.

It was just, you know, you can tell it was low budget, man. There was no special effects. Every time anybody got like in some sort of serious ghost is possessing me and throwing me around, it was just that person, you know, throwing themselves up against the wall. Kind of like an old Star Trek episode. Yeah. It was like an old Star Trek episode.

That is exactly what it was like. Because they obviously didn't have the budget to do anything. Or, you know, when they cut the fucking barrel and they rolled on the people or whatever. The scene in the beginning where the sheet rock landed on that dude, that was okay. Not too bad.

I was right with that. I actually liked that scene. That was the only serious moment where I was like, oh, okay. I said I actually liked that scene. Yeah, I thought that was probably one of the cooler ones of the movie. Well, Brian, you got the ball rolling here, man.

You get to do the dirty deed of giving us the first of our scores here tonight, man. Okay, I'm going to be short and sweet with it. I'm going to give it a four. Wow, not bad, man. Much higher than I expected. I mean, in some ways it is a classic, and of course, you know,

I have to give points to her shower scene, one of the high points. Yeah, that's good for at least two points right there. That made a movie. That's good for, uh, oh, there, right? Go ahead. Yeah, just overall, the acting just took me completely out of it. Pretty wooden, huh? Yeah, and then the death scenes were horrible.

You guys brought up the barrel scene. I just wanted to... I wasn't even sure that one guy was dead. It was dead. Didn't his arm reach out? Grab him? Okay, so I had that question, right? He comes up out of... He's been in the water for God knows how long. Didn't he get an axe to the head or some shit? Yeah, but somehow he was able to swim to shore and reach out for help. I don't understand what's happening.

Oh, fuck. My score is lowering as we speak, guys. Yeah, I'm going to pass it off to you guys because I'm going to end up lowering my score. All right, well, I'll give it a four. I'll go with you, bro. No, fuck it, three and a half.

God damn it! You had to remind me of that hand reaching up out of the lake. No, because I thought it was, when I watched it, I was like, isn't he dead? Terrible, terrible. Terrible. You know what?

I'm going three. I'm going three and a half, too. Okay, cool. Three and a half is good. Tony Cotain's shower scene represents two points. That represents two points, so I'm going to give it a big old two. Is that what you're giving it? You asshole.

I am, man. And I normally give movies pretty high scores. It's kind of fun to watch because it was bad, but it was bad. Yeah. Not so bad it's good, but more so bad. And it's bad. Yeah. Oh, we didn't.

We didn't even talk about the over the top. What was the medium that came in to do the... We didn't even talk. Yeah. She was terrible. She was like a bull dyke, really super aggressive medium. And then at the end, she was just like a wilting daisy, you know. TTF.

In. Terrible. No, she was, she was a little, like, I wanted her to be less annoying. Yeah, we need to move on before the scores get lower. All right, our second featured film is the brand new Ouija Origin of Evil. And so as always, we'll get started with trivia, director Mike Flanagan, who we've mentioned at least a few times tonight. Also known for Oculus Hush and Before I Wake, as well as the upcoming Gerald's game.

Writer is also Mike Flanagan with his writing partner Jeff Howard, who has actually worked with Flanagan on all of the above films. This is a prequel to the 2014 film. This movie takes place in the same house that was used in the first movie, only 50 years earlier.

Lynn Shea's character from the original film, Paulina Zander, who in this one is played by Annalise Basso, and the Stitchmouth Ghost Doris from the original is portrayed as a living girl, played by Lulu Wilson. Annalise Basso and Kate Siegel reunite with Mike Flanagan, whom they worked with when they appeared in Oculus, with Siegel also appearing in Hush.

And the final piece of trivia, Lynn Shea is the only actor to reprise their role from the previous film. Which one does she play? I believe she was the older version of Paulina Zan. her, right? Like, although, didn't she die?

Oh, wait, spoilers, hold on. Okay. Well, Philip, you want to,

let's pass that little piece of trivia over for now until we can properly research it. Okay, cool. And, uh, let's begin with our,

uh, with our discussion. Philip, you want to, you want to get started, man? Uh, yeah,

sure. You know, I'm not, I don't remember a whole lot about the, uh, the, the first Ouija movie.

Like, I remember watching it and it was okay, but it wasn't particularly good. And so when they came out with a sequel, I was thinking man, really? That's the movie you're going to pick to make a sequel of? But, you know,

I kind of liked it. I thought it was really good. Way, way, way, way better than the first one. There's definitely some problems with it, I think. As far as storyline goes, it's not... I feel like a lot of the thoughts

aren't complete, like they'll start into this storyline and then just forget about it and move on to something else. And I feel like a lot of the rules that they have, the don't do it by yourself, don't do it in a graveyard, and you always have to say goodbye. I feel like they ignore a lot of those rules, even though they bring them up in the beginning of the movie, you know? And it's not that they ignore all those rules and then they have consequences. It's if they ignore all those rules because that's a part of the... Helps move the story along. Yeah, it helps move the story along.

You know what I mean? And I don't know. I mean, it definitely had some creepy-ass moments. A lot of it was the sweet little girl and her contorted-ass face that they did with the computer animation stuff. Right. And I think the acting was great. I really do I think that everybody

that was in the movie did a really great job and it was it definitely had some creepiness to it man it was a really good movie that was just it was a good movie that was almost really good

you know didn't quite make that leave it didn't quite get there it was so close it could have been great and it wasn't but it was still worth watching it was still scared

Brian what did you think man okay since this is the second time we're discussing this movie I'm going to I had a horrible time with my audience watching this I'm going to separate that Tell us a little bit about that man Okay just real quick

I had a very young crowd with me Very loud obnoxious young crowd with me And it just From the moment the trailers came on till the movie ended it just was nonstop. So I had time to think about it. I'm going to separate that.

That might have influenced my last review that we tried to do. And another thing also influenced my review. I actually just finally got to watch the first one. Really? This is definitely a way better movie. When I really got a chance to think about it, it was a good movie that could have been really good. Right. There was just some parts of the plot and the story that just kind of had me like,

I don't understand what's going on. The acting was really good. I thought the little girl did a good job for the most part. There was a couple of times, like Philip said, the contorted face. Some of them were creepy and some of them kind of had me laughing out loud. I thought for the most part, this was stepping. If this is going to be a franchise, which I had seen the box office.

There will probably be a third movie. I think this is a step in the right direction. Cool. Well, I really liked the way the movie began. I like the title card they had there. I mean, it looked like a 1967 movie. I missed that point. When it got started.

And you walked it late for that. Yeah, I came in a couple minutes late, so I missed the title card. Yeah, quick question. Did they use the original design of the game? game in the movie? I think so. Okay. I think so.

Yeah, it looked pretty dead on to me. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah, I think you're right, man. They made it look like the, because I mean, I'm definitely a little older than you two gentlemen are, you know? So I remember things a little bit, you know, further back. And I do remember we played with Ouija boards when I was probably 10, 11, 12 years old.

It's probably when I first started messing around with them. So that would have been like in the late 70s. So, you know, what, about 10, 12 years after this film was set. So, yeah, that did bring back memories, seeing that Ouija board. So, Brian, I think you got a point there, man. The other thing I really enjoyed was the way that they kept bringing in the moon landing story. I thought that was really cool. And we had talked about this last week, and I was asking you guys,

do you guys think they did that on purpose, like to kind of tie. with the storyline like the, you know, exploring the unknown or what have you. And you guys were saying, well, it probably just was kind of like, you're setting it up to show really, really vividly right on the nose that it was taking place in 1967. But the more I think about it, because I think about it, I thought about it quite a bit. I thought that was really brilliant. Because there were at least three or four scenes where somebody would be either listening to the radio or watching TV and they were talking about Buzz Aldrin and those guys and getting everything set up for the moon landing. That seems to be all of the space race and all that.

Yeah, I really, I really strongly think Flanagan did that on purpose. Think so? I really do. Because you're talking about aliens and, in fact, I almost expected there for a little while that they were going to bring it off full circle at the end and the Ouija demons were going to be discovered to be aliens from outer space. Kind of like the theory that some people have about the. new Blair Witch movie where they had that one scene where they're all in the cabin in the woods and you see the light shine through.

And a lot of people really think those Blair Witch little demons or whatever that were running around were actually aliens. That's a big theory right now. Okay. So was it done on purpose or did they just meld, you know, that, or like you got to say, you know,

envelop that into the plot so that you know, no doubt whatsoever, you're in 1967. Either way you look at it, I really enjoyed it. I thought that was a neat touch. Well, I imagine that's probably in the time period that's probably all they were talking about on TV.

It's like right now when all they're talking about... It's the big deal. All they're talking is the election right now. Good point, man, yeah. Circus, right? So every time you turn on the TV, that's what they're talking about. So, I mean, that may have something to do with it or, you know, they could have been, like I said, just setting the scene to say,

look, this is in the 60s. Right. Drilling any of your head. Which seems unnecessary, but it. Well, I will agree wholeheartedly with you guys that the acting was really good, for sure. The set design, I think, was really good. You're talking about the Ouija board, looking like an authentic one from that time period. The costumes, the hair design was all spot on. The little girl was just fucking perfect as a creepy little possessed girl. The only problem I had with the little girl is that she does that, like, Little Girl Disney movie thing, right?

And I've seen them, I've seen them spoof this on Saturday Night Live, and that's part of the reason that it bothers me so much when they do it. But when she talks, she's like, what? I know the spook you're talking about with the little girl on the news. So, like, every sentence that she's... What? Yeah. Every sentence that she starts, she, like, draws a little bit of it. out that first

work to make it cuter or something. Okay, okay. Yeah, I see what you're saying. There were big old Chris Farley air quotes in that. But that kind of got on my nerves,

but I mean, she was a cute kid, and I still think that she did a good job being super creepy. I thought she was good. I thought the older sister was really good.

She was like, you know, right on that edge of being a little girl, but also kind of being a young woman. Yeah, she had the innocent. thing going and she didn't play too big a role in the movie which i thought was cool i really loved the

little girl that when she snuck out and they were at the beginning and this is not a we're not in spoiler territory yet folks yeah this was really really early but the one that when they were playing the with the wiji board earlier and she kept saying oh my god oh my god oh my god i thought that was so cool and then that led to the first jump scare yeah which i tried to count the jump scares in the movie and i kind of stopped at 12 because there's so many i'm okay with jump scare it's fake jump scare scare. Like the first one was a fake jump scare.

But I mean, and you know, you kind of have to do that a couple of times as long as they don't overdo the fake jump scares. Right. Sure. Yeah, but I mean, I would say for the most part,

the acting was awesome. The set design was phenomenal. The way that Flanagan had the movie filmed was really good. Yeah. The writing part of it, that's our weekly. That's our week.

And we're going to get into that as spoilers big time, but the writing totally fell apart. I wanted to love this movie so much more than I was allowed to in the final third. But, you know, I mean, what did you guys think about the Father Tom, the priest, the guy that was kind of like the, I guess he was the headmaster of the school where the little girls went to? And, of course, other things happened, which we won't get too far into. But what were you guys' first impressions of him? He kind of creep me out a little bit. Yeah, a little creepy vibe there.

Yeah, definitely first impression was a child molester. It seemed like the older sister gave him a weird look. Well, yeah, and then I was worried about the older sister and the younger sister. I don't know. I was worried about all the kids in that school. But he turned out to be kind of a good dude. He's a weird character. It's like he was very complex, but they didn't give him enough time to show him.

that. Yeah, there was a couple things. Like, they alluded to his past that he, you know, the things that happened that I kind of felt like the kind of maybe should have left it out because they didn't really explore it that much. Yeah, like if you're going to bring it up, at least, you know, clarify a little bit. Yeah. Apparently, he used to be married.

He's a relatively new priest, I guess. Well, I guess I can't get too much into it. Yeah, that's getting a little further into the movie, I guess, right? Yeah, but he had kind of a romance thing going with the mom, almost. And I don't think that's too much. Yeah, that's not spoiling too much. And then, like, the question that I asked is instead of just asking her to meet, because he wanted to meet to talk about the daughter.

Right. And her performance at school and the way she was acting. And instead of choosing to meet, like, in his office or some neutral ground or a church. He picked like the most expensive, luxury, beautiful, romantic restaurant in town. Apparently, a place he used to like to take his wife to. I didn't catch that part, man. Okay.

All right, I get it now. I get it now. So he was sort of getting a little bit to the weakness of the flesh there. Get on. Not me, but yeah, I mean, a friend of mine. Yeah. Okay. Well, Brian, any last thoughts before we do our ratings and go down that road into spoiler territory?

No, I think everything I'm probably going to bring up is going to be in spoilers. Cool. The only other thing I would say is that it is obvious, and I like the way they drew the characters out. But the mom, even though she was kind of scamming people with faking out the way she did the seances and stuff like that, I think she had good intentions. Obviously, yeah. She's definitely a good person, a good character. I liked her playing this role.

I've seen that chick in a bunch of stuff. Oh, yeah. She's pretty much always really good. Yeah, she's, and, you know, it kind of had an Oculus sort of feel to it. I was going to say that earlier. Because I know he was the director of Oculus, which I really loved that movie. So, yeah, I think that she did a pretty kick-ass job. Cool.

All right. Rating time, Philip, you want to go first? Yeah, I'm going to give it a six and a half. Very good. It was so close, man. If they had better writing and had tied up their storylines a little better, I think that it could have very easily been on par, with The Conjuring 2, you know, which I think is probably the best horror movie that's come out in a long time.

Brian? I'm also going to get it with six and a half. There's a good movie in here so far. And like I said, if they're going to make this into a franchise, I think they're judging by the first one and this one, they are in the right step in the right direction. Right. I'm gonna get it. If they make another one from this, it's not gonna surprise me.

I'll go see that one. But when they made this one from the first one, I was thinking, that seems like a stupid move. Well, this may be a first on the horror returns in our short history together here, guys, but I'm actually also

going to give it a 6.5. So we've actually had our first unanimous vote. Three-way tight. Yeah. Is it a coincidence that it's 6666? Oh, wait, 6.5, 6.5, 6.5. Okay. All right. We skirted the devil by inches, guys. But yeah, I'll give it a 6.5 as well. And I really, really, really wanted to give it a higher score. But as we're about to start talking about, the story just fell the fuck apart. Yeah. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. Okay, so we're back for spoilers now. And as you were just told, this was a motherfucking spoiler alert.

So be warned, if you don't want to hear it, guys, you can turn the show off. Everything else that we cover has already been covered. So this is literally going to be the end of the show. We're talking, I think, mainly about the third act here and what happened and how things kind of fell apart. Brian, you want to get the ball rolling, man? yeah i'm gonna go straight to the scene where the the priest he had came to the house and then they he he let the little girl give him a reading and he tricked her just to see if he can find out if it was that actual spirit they thought was in her was the right one and then when he had took them

when he had took the family the mother and the sister upstairs to discuss everything right after right when he's telling them how they've been listening to them the whole time. I'm just kind of thinking, if you already knew that, why are you discussing this out loud in the house? See, I think that the daughter may, I may have to go back and watch it again, but I think that the daughter is the one that was putting that together like while he was talking about it.

And because they started talking about like how they, how she knew things between the mom and the dead dad that she couldn't possibly have known. And then the daughter was like, well, they've been in the house this whole time so they know that stuff.

They listen to us. And then as they continue, the conversation that kind of clicks in her head, she's like, oh, we need to stop fucking talking right now because these guys can hear us and they know what's going on. but yeah good point they probably should not have just gone upstairs and then left the possessed daughter downstairs alone

all by herself i think there's probably no good that can come of that see i started getting that when they did that i thought they were onto something because i got the impression that he was kind of like a like a typical catholic priest exorcist like maybe he was trained in exorcisms uh 101 or something like that and i thought he was taking he wanted them to take him up there to show him the exact spot where the little girl was writing the letters in published. It's exactly what he said.

But it didn't fucking go anywhere. Yeah, they didn't do anything like go up there and challenge a demon or say, you know, the fucking spirit of Jesus possess you or whatever. What do they say when they do an exorcist? Come on, Brian. Help me out here. You've been watching the fucking show Christ compels you.

There you go. Yes. Yes. I thought for sure he was going to go up there and say that and fucking bail. above was going to appear in front of them and there was going to be a goddamn throwdown. Well, that would have been very climactical. Is that a word? They didn't take us there though, man.

They let me down. He said, let's go upstairs because I want to know exactly where she did it, right? And then... And then they got up there and then they just started talking about something completely different. Exactly. But I feel like that's what they did

a lot of the movie. They would start this little storyline and they're like, okay, we're about to connect the dots. then they forget about it and move on to something else. Let me ask you this, after that scene, if you were the red-haired girl and you went down and your fucking boyfriend just jumped off a fucking second-story ledge and was hanging by the neck and just like dangling there, would you not at least fucking run up there or ask your mom to run up there or ask the priest her up there and see if the goddamn motherfucker's not dead?

Something. Instead of just fucking say, ah, that just happened. Okay, let's go, turn around and walk the other way. How fucking stupid, man? Like disturbingly okay. Yeah. Since you since you got

brought up that dumb ass, let's talk about how this little girl described. We're going to have to make a sound in this section, Brian. We have to. We got to talk about

how she fully described how you get strangled to death. And then you come back to the house and she tells you she's all alone. And not only that, right. You follow her to the basement.

Shit. I didn't get that. I didn't understand. Real smart, huh? Yeah. And yes, I do need a sounder from my stupid people segment. Yeah, we'll go to work on that, man. When we're putting the episode together for sure.

Yeah. And then another quick thing with the little, the final scene. when she made her homemade Ouija board. Oh, yeah. We had talked about it before, but where did she get the lens to make the, I guess, the little piece that goes on the board? Was there a lens, or did she just do it with her hands? I thought she had popped the lens out of something. And if it was a pair of glasses.

Yeah, didn't we decide that there was like a pair of glasses or something like that that she found? or she had on for whatever Yeah, and I wanted to know at what point in the movie Was she wearing glasses? Also a good point, yeah. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. Although I will stand up for that final scene.

I thought that was pretty fucking ballsy. I thought that was, because I really thought it was going to be a feel-good ending, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, all the bad guys are gone, and she made it through, but they kind of went out there, you know? They killed the little fucking girl, like first. Oh, yeah. And somehow by showing her mouth shut, she died.

Yeah, now that didn't make any sense. Now, if they'd shut her mouth and also, like, put super glue in both her nostrils, you know, I could see that because she couldn't breathe. And then I felt like when she was sewing it up, I mean, she's just jabbing at it, right? And sewing up her mouth. Right. Which at first I'm thinking is... I didn't even know what she was doing at first.

Is this really happening? I think this is the idea that they came up with to stop this shit. Jesus Christ. So the little girl's mouth shut. Yeah. Fucking brilliant. I think Flanagan made a writing partner. She did it so fast, too.

Yeah. And then, okay, and then when it's done, there's no blood or anything. It's all like, it looks like it's been there for six months. And her mouth is all distorted and shit. Oh, my God. Hey, Brian. What's what's going on here? Yes.

Would you agree with me that maybe if Flanagan found a different writing part? his movies might like increase tenfold um i don't know um i like his style man i like his visual style and i like i like the the costume design i like the set design the visuals are awesome he seems to work well with actors you know he seems to bring a lot out you know with with with the people he works with i i don't know what else to attribute it to the the you know the failing i don't know what else to attribute the failing to accept the fucking script. Yeah, I mean, based off his other movies, I would say no, but maybe, you know, just after a while, maybe, you know, it just, it's not working no more because I really enjoyed Oculus

and Hush. A friend of mine's actually seen before I wake. He's acquired the movie from Anonymous Movie Guy. And he's found it. I haven't watched it. Yeah, he said he liked it. So maybe it's just after a certain point, maybe, you know, it's just time to work with somebody else. Maybe it was just a one-off then because Gerald's game could be a masterpiece.

It could be. You know? It's just, yeah, I mean, like there was so much good stuff in this movie and it was just a storyline that wasn't. And, okay, if you forget about the storyline and you just go with it, then it's a great movie. And that's kind of what you got to do with, um, with, with, with a, lot of the movies, especially if you go back to the 80s, like with like the witchboard and shit that we were watching. A lot

of things that are considered classic don't necessarily have a linear storyline. But, I mean, if we're really critiquing the movie, dude, they did a lot of things that didn't make a whole lot of fucking sense, right? That's what I was talking about with the Ouija board thing. Like, they played it by themselves all the time. Nobody

ever said goodbye. There's a whole fucking movie. And I understand that it would have added a little bit to the scene, but they made kind of a big deal about that in the first one. I remember the not saying goodbye thing and they didn't do anything

with it here. Didn't follow through. No. That's what it was. There was no follow through. Like they got a great at bat, but there's no follow through, you know? Yeah, I kind of wanted to see more ghosts and demons because wasn't there like multiple people died in that house?

Yeah, there's a bunch. Yeah, I kind of wanted to see more of that. Yeah. They were on, they were on to something. Oh, yeah. There's definitely a good movie in there, man. And it could have been so much better.

If they do another one, it gives me hope, like I said, they're going in the right direction. Maybe if the third one will be better. Yeah, I mean, they definitely left it open for a, for a sequel, you know? Because I think a lot of these movies are kind of learning from their mistakes because a movie will probably be reviewing next year as Annabelle 2. that look that trailer looked totally different from the first movie that trailer looked right shit so I just hope that

like these mistakes these movies are making like that when they make the next one they'll learn from them but I mean in the Annabelle series that's that's the same thing as the conjuring series right and I mean boy they hit a high point with that conjuring too so if they can keep on that right then they're on they're on to something

but uh look looking at the box office this movie The budget was 9 million. It's already made almost 24 million. Well, shit. There you have it, man. As always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas.

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