The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #23: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind (1977) & Arrival (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: June 6, 2021

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This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then go back and find a classic work with similar themes looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. Based on listener feedback, we do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so.

If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, simply turn it off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so as you longtime listeners know, you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance and with me as always are my good friends and co-host Brian and Philip What's the weather like up there Brian? Sucks Cold as shit

That's what it's like I would imagine Well we were in Absolutely Philip and I were in San Antonio for a concert last night Walking around the river walking a T-shirt so What's the difference I think Yep I'm just happy it wasn't hot

Right So let's start out with the coolest thing that we've watched this week. Brian, you're usually up on us a little bit. You want to go first? Yeah. I came across a list

of up-and-coming directors and the horror genre, so I've been kind of going through the list, and this week went through the films of Jeremy Solner. Uh-huh.

You guys were probably seen his latest one, Green Room. Actually, I never saw Green Room. We were just talking about it. that one. Yeah. Hey, we were on the room. Last night in San Antonio, we walked

to an Irish bar, and I think we walked into the green room, dude. Oh, yeah. We've been, like, super uncomfortable. They may have been no game fans, but it was a little bit trippy. Yeah.

Like, are we in a white power meeting? We should probably go somewhere else. Yeah, actually, that's probably like one of my favorite films that came out this year, so I checked out his older films,

and he's only done two other movies. His first one was a murder party, which is more of a comedy. It was okay. But his second movie, I believe, at least, I know you've seen it, at least Lance,

Blue Ruin. Oh, I love Blue Ruin. Okay, now I know exactly the director you're talking about. Both those movies were great, man. Yes. I've never seen anything. I need to watch it. Yeah, it was my first time watching Blue Ruin. And I thought it was a great movie.

Yeah, kind of a slow burn, man. It felt like a 70s movie to me. Absolutely. So, yeah, I checked out those movies there. And it's pretty much what I've seen. Other than did catch UFC 205. Oh, yeah? It was very historic night.

Man, I missed the fight completely. How did McGregor do? He is the first ever two-division champ. Like, I know he won, but did he, like, dominate? Yeah, it was completely one-sided. Really? Was it a knockout? A knockout.

Wow. Yeah, it was completely one-sided. And if I recommend you check out the fight, I also recommend you listen to his after-fight interview. I'd like to check that out, man. Does he get kind of wild with it? Yeah, because he was a little upset that he, he was a little upset he only had, they didn't have his other belt. Oh, really?

He wanted, he, he wanted to have both belts at the same time around his shoulders. I got you. Sounds like you can ask for that, you know, reasonably. I mean, I saw a, if he pulled that off. Yeah, I saw a picture of him on ESPN and they were going to talk about him. And then he had one belt over to each shoulder, like a frigging pro wrestler. Wow. Yeah, and he's getting a little out of hand.

I just seen right before we recorded, I guess he's demanding shares in the company now. What? Yeah. Well, it's always a shit show with him. Yeah. But the entire card was good. That's cool. I kind of regret missing that one.

Yeah, but that's my cool. What did I watch this week? I'm all caught up on Walking Dead. I'm all caught up on American Horror Story. I think that's really the only stuff I've got going on. That and Inkmaster, which I'm still a big fan of that show. I know it's cheesy reality TV, but that's the one that I still watch. Right.

I love that show. Well, I would say my cool of the week is that I finished up on the Black Mirror series. So I had three more. Last time we talked about it, I think it was the week before last, I had three more episodes to go. So the final three in this season, the first one was called San Junipero. And it kind of, have you seen these, Brian? I am still on season one. It kind of has an 80s vibe to it.

Like you think she's in a disco or a nightclub in the 80s, but then it kind of like it resets, and she's in the same club again and with her friend. And it's kind of hard to figure out what's going on. And, you know, these things all have a twist at the end, so I don't want to say what happens, but it involves technology and people deciding whether they want to, how do I explain it, like, either die for sure or possibly live on in a computer program if they don't really have faith that there is an afterlife or something, or do they just want to let go? It's a good one. It's Walt Disney style.

Walt Disney style. And then a man against fire was, it was so-so. It was about future soldiers and the way that they, they brainwashed the soldiers in the future. And then Hated in the Nation was the final episode. And that was an hour and a half long, so it's like a feature link. And it was kind of like a Save the Bees allegory where they've, it's the future. All the bees have died off. And they use these mechanical bees that go and pollinate the flowers.

And let's just say that there becomes a pretty major glitch in the system. We'll just leave it at that. So, yeah, Black Mirror, guys, that's, you guys highly advised that you guys. you'll catch up on that. On my list of things to do the second I get 10 minutes for it. It'll take a little more than 10 minutes. All right.

Well, as with every show, it's time to take a little trip to the trailer part. First one we're going to talk about is HBO's new documentary. Beware the Slender Man. Oh, boy. Yeah, this is the truth is stranger than fiction, huh?

Yeah. I'm really interested in this one. HBO, they do really good documentaries. Yeah, because this one's a full documentary and not like a mockumentary. It's based off of a story that actually happened, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of reminds me of another documentary.

I can't think of it. It had to do with kids doing some kind of, they actually murdered some other kids trying to do some kind of like ritual, something they've seen. I think it had to do something with the Blair. witch or something like that. Huh. I can't think of it. But, yeah, this one really,

I'm not really familiar with Slender Man, but I think this one's going to kind of, if you don't know about him, it's going to kind of get you caught up. I think it'll be a fun one to watch. I know Slyndermann is more of a new generation horror guy.

And this story is, sadly, what made him famous. But I guess these two girls believed in him so much that they sacrificed their their friend. They're like these two 12 year old girls and they lead another one of their little friends out to the park

and stab her because they're convinced that Slitter Man told them do it. And they are both as nuts as they can get. That sounds messed up. And they legit think that this happened. I saw, there's a Law & Order

SVU episode about this. One of those ripped from the headlines ones. and it was really good. That one had my interest the whole time because it kind of took that one on a horror movie path. And so I'm real excited to see this documentary, man. I'll definitely, this is on my list of things to watch.

Yes, this one comes out January 17th. Okay. Okay. A couple of trailers we're going to talk about there. They just recently came out, I believe, and neither theaters are on demand. The first one's going to be terrified. starring Katie McGuire

Katie McGuire Who did you say was starring at? Katie McGuire Okay Puya Masani Jenna, Jenna Canal and others

And others And yeah That's a list of people I've never heard of And Homey the clown Yes I don't think that was Homey man Homie don't play that

Homie did not definitely not play that in this preview you know it looked pretty creepy man hopefully this is the killer clown movie we've been wanting to see for these last two that we thought have all

agreed kind of sucked you know you took the words right out of my mouth it looks interesting but it just the last couple clown neither movies or trailers we looked at because I heard clown town was a piece of shit right oh really

yeah yeah I remember talking about the trailer and this one kind of reminded me of it a little bit. Yeah, I mean, nobody had good things to say about that one. He looks really, really terrifying in this movie. Oh, that's definitely.

Sort of a little back to the classic, you know, Jason or Freddie villains, like scary slasher movie. And there's not a whole lot of those around anymore. And I believe this character was in another movie called All Hallows Eve. Oh,

I think. I think done by the same director, Damien Leone. So is this like a sequel? Yeah, I'm kind of pulling it up right here. I believe the clown has a name. And that name is death. Or homie. Well, he kind of reminded me a little bit of Captain Spalding.

But like a really super evil Captain Spalding. Yeah, not quite as whimsical, I guess. you know. I always wanted to see him get his own movie. This could be it. Yeah, Art the Clown. Art the clown, huh?

All right, and it is the same character then. Same name. I wonder if you think maybe it's the same movie and they just redid it somewhat a little bit or tweaked it or made it a little bit more modern? It might be. I haven't seen the first one, so. Right. I was just wondering

maybe it was like one of the world's fastest remakes ever in the history of horror films. You do a reboot three years later on some randomness movie? It's got to be a sequel. All right, that would make sense. It looks pretty cool, though. Yeah, they're both out right now, so it might be worth watching. Yeah, it looks like it may be more of like maybe kind of a

Netflix special. If it's on Netflix, I'll definitely watch it. But yeah, probably not a Unless it gets some big buzz around it, probably not to go to the theater and watch it, assuming it even comes out in the theater. You don't know, Brian, if it's being released by Chiller or any particular, like, Amazon or anybody like that, where it'll, you know, maybe be exclusively on that streaming service? From what I'm seeing, I don't know. Okay. So I think... So the jury's kind of still out on this, but it looked terrifying as shit, you know?

Yeah. It looks super... I agree. And we're going to move on. to our next one. It's another movie that is currently out right now. The Possession Experiment, starring David O'Ang,

Olivia and Jeanette, Jake Brine, and Bill Mosley. Well, I'll check it out if Mosley's in it, but I've got to tell you, the trailer didn't do much for me. I mean, it looked like way too much of what we've already seen before

a million times. Is it found footage, or is it just he's recording himself at the beginning of it, and that it goes into a, you know, like a regularly filmed, uh, movie. Uh, from what I'm seeing in the trailer, it might be a mixture of both. Okay. It's kind of what it looks like. And, um, yeah, kind of like what you said.

It's got Bill Mosley, so I'll check it out. But, you know, he, he has done a lot of shit. Mm-hmm. See, this is my favorite genre of horror. I like the, uh, the demonic stuff. And, uh, I think, I don't know, I'm there, it does look like a million other movies that are out and it's kind of a hit or miss on whether it's actually going to be any good. But I'll definitely watch it.

Yeah, this looks like another, if it was on Netflix movies. Yeah, not a first-tier release. In fact, you said it's already out. I haven't seen it in any theaters or anything. Yeah, so it might be an on-demand type of movie. Yeah, that's what a lot. Probably so. I don't think I'll go out of my way to see it, but again,

If we can catch it on Netflix, I'm down there. Yeah, if it pops up in front of me and I can just click on it and play it, then I'm cool. Let's do that. Right. Okay. And our final trailer, which is probably the biggest release out of these trailers, is Valerian and the city of a thousand planets. What the hell was that all about? Starring Dane DeHine, Kara Delavine, Clive Owen, Rihanna, Chris Wu, John Goodman, and Ethan Hawke.

This is directed by Luke Besson. I believe I said his name right. Director of the Fifth Element and Lucy. And I'm not familiar with the books, but it's based on the book, Ballerian and Lower Line, which from what I've been told, it's a hit book series. I get that young readers club. Yeah, like a young adult novel series.

Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled with the trailer, but the fact that the director has done the fifth element in Lucy, I will give it a watch just off of that. It's definitely epic science fiction fantasy. I'm sure it's coming out in the summer, and they're going for the blockbuster swing, you know? Yeah, and I was thinking, I thought that was the dude that directed. You guys remember the professional that came? out of 94. Natalie Portman was basically, I think she was like 12 or 13 years old.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And she kind of was protected by this hitman. Yeah. That was a great movie. That was a great movie. Yes. I have a lot of faith in him as a director. And the special effects look fucking phenomenal on this one.

And you put the fifth element on your resume, and that's, I'm down for that. I even watched Lucy. It wasn't awful. Yeah, it wasn't Some people said it was Yeah, I enjoyed most of it I enjoyed most of it. I kind of didn't like how it ended.

Yeah, I don't like the concept behind it. But it was still one to watch. Yeah, I'm Scarlett Johansson. That's true. She's in a movie you can sign it. Can't go wrong. This one is coming out July 21st next year.

See? All right, cool. That's a blockbuster. Yeah, for sure. Although there's a lot of movies vying to be summer blockbusters this year. It's going to be a pretty crowded summer, it looks like. Yeah, this one, it may end up losing money, though.

Well, we'll find out what happens, but I will tell you this. Now it's time for horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. Okay, with the upcoming release of Fantastic Beast and Where to Find Them, it's just been recently announced that there's going to be five total in the series. Oh, no. And... A whole new thing.

Johnny Depp has been casted in the sequel. Oh, come on. All right, now you're shitting with us. Is this our April 1st recording or what? Johnny Depp's so hit or missed you, though. Like, he plays a great crazy character, so hopefully they do that. But sometimes he pulls stuff and it doesn't work for him, you know? Yeah, I mean, I've only watched the...

first Harry Potter movies, so I don't know what to, you know, really expect out of this. Oh, they're fun. Right. I have faith that it's going to be good. I'm sure it'll be a hit. And like you said, they've already got other movies lined up. It's going to make money. They'll put them out.

They're going to be fun. Yeah. Yeah, with them planning five of them, it sounds like they're definitely confident about this series. Yeah. I'll be excited to take my kids to this one because it gives me an excuse to go see it. Okay. Are you guys familiar with the video game, A Rampage? Oh, yeah. That's cool. Isn't the Rock still supposed to be in that?

Yes, this has finally got a release date of April 20th, 2018. So it's going to be like a King Kong kind of situation? Yes, basically Rock and the monsters from the game. And it's directed by Brad Payton, who did San Diego. Andreas with The Rock. Ah, okay. Are they going to eat people out of the windows? I hope so.

If they stay true to the video game and, you know, it's The Rock, I think this could be a really fun movie. Oh, yeah. It should be a blast, man. It's a strange concept. I'll bite it, though. Very strange concept. It's got the Rock.

I'll bite. Yeah. Well, you got, okay, so you got like the lizard, which was named Lizzie. Yeah. What was the wolf? name. Do you remember the names of the three of them? It was like a big giant wolf man.

Oh. And then of course there was the King Kong knockoff. Yeah. Yeah. But that was a pretty fun game, man. Yeah, definitely. Especially when they ate the guys with a little flamethrowers and they'd get heartburned. And with him

with him reteaming with the director of San Andreas, that movie, you know, it's not the, San Andreas isn't the greatest movie, but it was still, you know, fun for what it is. Right. And I, like I said, I, I think this, this might be a, this might be a sleeperhead of that year. Okay.

Yeah, I think it's going to go right in the same vein of, uh, that one. And, uh, what was it, journey to the center of the earth? The kind of adventure sort of stuff that the rock's been doing lately. Okay. Um, we have, uh, two more casting for a Stranger Things season two. We have Sean Aston and Paul Riser. Oh, yeah, I heard about Paul Reiser. Do you know what parts they're going to play, or is it too early to say on any of that?

They kind of gave a, I didn't read the Paul Rising one, but DeShon Astin, I think he's going to be an old high school friend of Winona Ryder's character. Hmm, okay. She does a great job in that one, right? Yeah. And with that casting, with that casting news, it's, we knew this was going to happen. but it's officially been confirmed now that Millie Bobby Brown, the girl that's 11, is officially been confirmed.

She's going to be at the... Yeah. She's going to be at the Hork Convention we're going to, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think a couple of people from the cast are going to be there. Yeah. Well, you know, you know with the success that they had in the first season

that they were going to make good on this next one, so they brought in some big names, it's going to be good. Yeah, I'm hearing a lot of good things for season two that they're already thinking season three just off of what's going on with season two. Well, shit, if Fantastic Beast already has five movies planned out, I mean, shit, what's the harm in announcing a season three of that, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. And our last news item is they've been trying to remake an American werewolf in London. Right. they've officially got a writer and director. Okay. It is John Landis' son, Max Landis. All right. And let's see.

And it's also going to be produced. One of the producers is going to be Robert Kirkman, which a lot of people may know him from The Walking Dead. I don't know. Robert Kirkman. I don't really know if I've ever heard that name before these days. Yeah. he's a he's a small little comic book guy came up with a little idea of the walking dead okay so max landis i'm i'm kind of looking through what he's done he uh so he wrote chronicle

huh yes and uh other than that i this american ultra which i've heard is pretty good but i haven't seen it i really enjoyed that one yeah i kind of didn't expect anything out of it Because, what is his name? Jesse Eisenberg? Yes. He's hit or miss with me. Big time hit or miss. And it also starred, what is her name?

The Mouth Breather. The Mouth. From Twilight. Oh, Kristen Stewart? Yes. Oh, shit, okay. But it's basically he's, you know, kind of like a guy that's kind of going nowhere in his life.

You know, he's a pothead. right he has like a phobia of getting on plane so he never leaves his little town and then one day someone shows up whisper some words to him and it kind of activates him he's kind of like a sleeper agent oh kind of like chuck a little bit that tv series chuck yes and uh you know it and it picks up from there because he's got all kinds of people coming after him and while he's doing all these like amazing things you know he has no clue on what's going on or why he knows how to do these things things or but I know if if anybody has Hulu it's one of the movies that's on Hulu right now. Cool. All right. Yeah, I'll have to

catch that one. I've been meaning to see it. But the one thing that I see that really stands out that Max Landis is like the head writer on is something we talked about last week. Dirk gently's holistic detective agency. Yes.

That is, with that in Chronicle, it kind of has me a little optimistic about it, but American Werewolf in London is such a classic. It is. It's going to be hard to do.

It's going to have to be a home run. Yeah. He's, especially since his father's done it, you know, that's a lot to live up to. John Landis has done a lot of great things.

Well, hopefully it'll be better than the Poultry Guys remake. Yeah. That wasn't. Yeah. All right. Yeah. And that was our last news item.

All right. We will continue to get slammed by listeners who thought we were way too hard on Witchboard. Oh, man, this is Witchboard Love Hour around here lately. Really? Patrick Lear comments. How the hell have you not seen some of these classic movies you've been reviewing? I mean, Witchboard, you watched just to see Tony Ketain naked. All right.

Well, gee, thanks, thanks, Pat. We think. Cynthia Talbot recommended we check out Bruce Campbell and the show Burn Notice. We will give that a shot. Thank you. My parents tell me about that. Every time I go over there, they love that show. Right.

They're not even a big Bruce Campbell fan. They just like the show. It's one of those USA series. But it's been on my list of things to watch forever, and I just haven't got around to it. Yeah, I've been wanting to see it. Have you ever checked that out before Brian? Burn Notice. I've seen the commercial for it.

That's probably as bad as much as I've seen. I think what he does is he helps people create new identities. Isn't the CIA agent or something that gets his memory wiped and now everybody's everybody's after him and Bruce Campbell is like his sidekick. Ah, okay. Isn't that the guy? It's like a witness protection type thing. Isn't that the guy from a book of shableness?

shadows. That's the star of the show? I'm not sure. Oh, my God. Is it? I think it is. I think so, yeah. Wow, and he was so bad in that movie. I didn't mean to bring that movie back up. I know. You messed up. Hang on. We're looking it up now. I have to

know before we move on. Yeah, is his name Jeffrey Donovan? Yeah, that guy. Oh, okay. Is that him? I don't know, man. I don't remember seeing him. in that book of shadows but that was a long time ago so that may very well have been him when we did that show

you guys had seen it fairly recently and I hadn't seen it since it first came out oh yeah well maybe it was maybe it just looks like him I just like him nope book of shadows oh there you go

you guys hit it okay it makes me not want to watch the show now yeah no it does look fun but it's you know a cheesy USA stuff anyway thanks to everyone who reaches out to us.

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And we'll feature you on the show. Maybe send you a T-shirt, which we have now. Yeah, we get a big box of T-shirts in. And I think last week we made some kind of a promise that we were going to roll out a new contest for a t-shirt.

Brian, did you come up with any details on that? Or you got any idea of what you want to do this time? The last one you ran seemed to work really well. Yeah, I'm working on that right now. I'm currently thinking about another giveaway, possibly another figure, basically like an action figure from you guys ever heard of the Toy Line NECA? Yeah?

Yeah. Yeah, I got possibly a giveaway with a with a with a Freddie Kruger uh figure from that line that's pretty cool maybe maybe we could get a big uh contest like a month long contest going and announce it next week and have a have a have have that that would be the grand prize and then we could have a runner up prize of the horror returns t-shirt okay that sounds like a plan all right cool so yeah if anybody wants to give us some feedback on that if you you have any ideas for the contest or what we should do uh pat i know you're very vocal.

Kevin, I know you're very vocal. So, you know, anybody out there that has some ideas, we're definitely open to hearing them. We want to be an interactive show, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, and we also have an Instagram page, and our winner of our Beetle Juice Funko Pop, the winner came from our Instagram page. Oh, cool. Way to go. Well, we know you're all over that stuff, Brian.

Yeah, I try. I try. All right. Were you guys ready to move on to tonight's featured attractions? Yes, let's do it. All right, I guess it's that time. It's time to make first contact this week as we review the new film, Arrival, as well as the 1977 classic Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

So we start off talking about close encounters of the third kind. Director and writer Steven Spielberg, who I think everybody who listens to this show pretty much knows and loves, We don't need to go down a litany of everything he's done. Who fuck is that guy? Close encounters at the third counter, or C.E.3K, as some refer to it, was partly inspired by an experience from Steven Spielberg's childhood. When, without any advance warning, his parents rushed the children into their car one night,

drove to an area where many others were gathered and watched a spectacular meteor shower. Really? That sounds pretty cool. That makes sense in retrospect. of having watched the movie. Yeah. Richard Dreyfus had become quite interested in the ideas

behind C.E.3K. When he had heard Stephen Spielberg talking about them on the set of Jaws, which was, of course, in 1975. When Dreyfus heard that casting was underway, he began a concerted effort to persuade the director to take him on.

And it was obviously very successful. I'm glad he did. He kicked ass in this movie. No kidding. for the scene where Richard Dreyfus appears to go weightless in his truck in his first encounter with flying saucers, his truck was put on a turntable and rotated 360 degrees. Oh, that seems dangerous. Hey, man, it was the 70s, dude.

It was outlaw filmmaking back then, you know? It is possible, and we looked for this, but I didn't see it, did you? Of course, we were looking on a pretty small screen. It's possible to see an upside-down R2D2 and part of the large spacecraft that flies over Devil's Tower. The special effects people needed more detail, and so supposedly there are many other such items, such as a shark from jaws that you can see,

and R2D2 is visible as Gillian first sees the mothership up close from her hiding place in the rocks. So I guess we've got to go back and try to look for that one. Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of these Spielberg and Lucas movies are all kind of related. you wind up with the the E.T. aliens in one of the

Star Wars movies. Oh yeah, you said E.T. is a Jedi, right? Yeah. Tie that together. What's that theory again? A fan theory that E.T. is a Jedi. I couldn't spout it off to you right off the top of my head, but if you go look it up, it makes sense. You're like, E.T. is a Jedi.

And apparently the Millennium Falcon is running around on close encounters with some crazy-ass aliens. Well, what did you think about the movie, Philip? I think that we were originally going to do a different set of movies this week because there's some stuff that's more horror-based that's coming out right now. But I think that we went with the right choice and did our alien stuff. And I'm glad we did because I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid. And I loved it, man.

It's awesome. It's Spielberg got his best. It's right up there with Jaws and Indiana Jones and all that stuff. The movie's pretty awesome. What can you say? It's an immersive experience. It's science fiction the way that science fiction was meant to be. Yeah, what was really cool about this movie too was that, and I think a lot of it had to do with when it was made.

But I really love the slow burn element where they kind of slowly built up. I mean, the movie felt like it went by in like an hour and a half. half, but you know it was actually like a two hour and 17 minute movie. Yeah, I know it's long and it's definitely a slow burn, but it puts you in the situation. It's like a, for real, if this really, if this actually happened in real life, this could be a good response to what's happening. Yeah, it seemed very feasible the way they did everything, except the only thing that I was, I was kind of worried about was that when you realized there toward the end that they had kind of, I guess lifted all the people from that ship and other different people up that they spent a certain

amount of time on the ship before they came down and made contact with them. I was thinking, man, after all those people had disappeared and these lights show up, in today's America, they'd be shooting fucking nuclear bombs at that mother ship, you know? It depends on which president gets there first. I guess so, man. I mean, but it was really cool. It was very, I thought it was very well done as far as. as using music.

Because, like, you could either use math or you could use music, you know, to try to create language and communicate with someone. And they kind of use both at the same time, and they communicated back and forth that way. And I thought that was a pretty original, you know, way of doing it. I think Dreyfus's performance is, like, probably his best ever in any film that I can think of, but the way that, you know, you're seeing him go completely bonkers. Yeah. from being totally obsessed with this image that he just can't get out of his head,

and he just has to see it, and then he has to put two and two together and figure it out. And it's like, as they were talking later in the movie, how many hundreds of people probably saw the same image, or were somehow communicated to by the aliens, but just didn't make it as far as these people made it. They turned back at the roadblocks, or they never put two and two together, as they said, they didn't see Devil's Tower on the TV, and see that, you know, next to a clay sculpture that they created in their basement and, you know, easily put it together and knew where to go and what the deal was and everything.

That makes sense. So it's kind of, it was kind of cool from that perspective. It was definitely one of those movies that, like I said, it was slow burn, and it was like you would see big epic scenes like it would go out and show you in the desert where these people found that ship, you know, the ship that had disappeared off the sea that the people. went up into the mothership, as we found out later, or that big epic scene where they were out there talking to people that had seen the lights in the sky and stuff like that. And then, of course, the scene that obviously reminded Spielberg of his youth where they're all sitting out there waiting for the aliens to show up,

and then that helicopter shows up. Oh, yeah, okay. It's just a lot of really, I thought, intensive scenes like that that were really impactful, juxtaposed between like, you know, longer slow burn periods of Dreyfus slowly, you know, not necessarily going insane, but giving into this obsession and it totally consuming his life. So it made for a really well-paced good movie, and it had Spielberg written all over it. Like he definitely hits insane at one point. Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Brian, what did you think, man? First of all, let me say if we had a Horror Returns Hall of Fame, I like Richard Dreyfus to be the first inductee with this performance and his performance in Jaws. Oh, yeah. Those are back to back and they're really good. We've reviewed both of those by now, haven't we? Yeah.

Yeah, and I really enjoyed his... I have not seen this movie since I was a kid either, and I'm glad we watched it because the only thing I could remember was the mashed potatoes. Yeah, oh, yeah. I was real stuck on the mashed potato scenes too. Yeah, I was waiting for it to pop up. Yeah.

Um, I, I just like where he, where his character started out because it kind of reminded me of how another movie were, uh, we reviewed was, uh, Sean of the Dead. Sure. Where you can just kind of tell he just had this kind of mundane everyday life. Yeah. You know, you got the kid in the background, you know, beating the head off a doll and you got kids screaming and yeah. He just does not give a shit. He just wants to play with his trains. Welcome to my life.

He goes from there to just, like you guys said, just obsessed with this image and trying to figure out what it means to the point where, you know, he's tearing up his home, his wife's leaving him. And I just thought it was a great performance by him. The actress I played Jillian, I was a little confused with her character, though. I really, times I just felt like she didn't care about her son. Yeah, that was kind of interesting. I noticed that at the end too, and I hadn't noticed that the first, you know, because I've probably seen this movie half a dozen times, but I probably haven't seen it in 20 years.

And she did seem kind of nonchalant, or not nonchalant, but she was a lot more interested in going and finding the ship. But maybe something in her heart told her that if she found the ship, she'd find her son. Well, it's obviously that obsession that they planted in their brain that they had to go find this place and nothing else mattered, which is why drive off the ship. was going completely bonkers.

And I think that he did a great job like from the beginning of the movie of having that feeling of man, I know this thing, but I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like when you leave your keys somewhere and you know you put them somewhere and you just have to find them. Right. And then he went

full scale from that to straight bonkers and throwing plants and shit through his windows. But they did it. But they showed it slowly. That's what I appreciate. They didn't just go from, you know, zero row to 60. Yeah. Yeah, they would kind of like show a scene. And then like I said, that's what I like about the pacing so much. Yeah. Is they would show that. And then they would go to a big

epic scene where they had all the scientists out there. They were in the desert or something like that. A new discovery. Yeah. And then they'd go back to his, you know, kind of mundane. But now he's getting a little further out there. And now he's playing with mashed potatoes, you know. And Spielberg is great about making the ordinary, extraordinary. And taking that fantasy aspect and putting it in a reality sort of situation. where you can get immersed in it and you have that wonder that you felt, you know, as a child when you talked about things like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster or these aliens. You know what I mean?

I remember watching this and that feeling that you get during that iconic last scene where the aliens are coming out of the ship and I don't know. I got that feeling all again. It was great. So it was a good rewatch for you. Oh, yeah, definitely. One thing I really remember is because when this film came out, it was the same exact year as Star Wars. And I remember I saw Star Wars in the movie theater, and then, I don't know, it was within maybe a couple of months or so.

Brian, maybe you could tell us what the release dates were or something, but I know they came out fairly close together. I don't know if it was both summertime or one was closer to Christmas or something like that. Good year for movies. Yeah, I think Close Encounters was more like the Christmas movie. and I think Star Wars was more of like a summer type movie or late summer. But I remember my dad took me to see this movie the first time that I watched it,

that final alien scene, I was kind of like the little kid, like a sense of awe, and I was smiling, and I was like, yes, we're going to make contact with him and it's going to be beautiful. The second time I went to the theater and saw this movie, I fucking sat down like on the second or third row, and I got the fucking shit scared out of me when I saw those aliens.

Yeah. And it was like a tale of two, lances. It's like, what do I want? Do I want to meet him? Or am I afraid to meet something like that? So I had two totally different experiences, man. With the real tall slender alien, is super creepy when he first comes out. That's scary. But, like, it's got that wonder in the background at the same time. Do we ready to give scores on this one? Yeah, Brian, was there anything else you wanted to say

about the movie, or you want to... Just real quick... Just real quick. Yeah, just real quick looking at the release dates. Star Wars was released in May, and Cost Encounters was released in December. There you go. So not too far apart. Not too bad, man. Now that was a good year, huh?

Yes. That was a good year at the movie theater. All right, well, you want to, I don't remember who started the conversation on this one. I think it was you, right, Philip? I suppose so. Well, we'll go with that. I think I'm going to give it a nine. Wow.

This is a good movie, man. I think it's up there with Jaws. It's probably one of Spielberg's crates. If you're looking at Spielberg movies, as everyone probably should at some point in time, go through his catalog and just watch his movies, this one is definitely up there with Jaws and Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park and all that stuff, you know?

Right. And I liked it. Solid movie. Very, very solid. Yeah, well, you can't say too much more than that. And so I probably want. And I actually also give it a nine. I give it a strong nine out of ten.

It's absolutely in every way form or fashion, the writing, the pacing, the way it was directed, the special effects were perfect, just spot on, especially for the time that the movie was made. As we've mentioned before, the acting was phenomenal. I mean, Dreyfus was spot on. Yeah. Spot on. I mean, I don't see how anybody could have played that role any better. You know, and if they ever tried to remake this movie, I'm going to be fucking pissed.

Because it shouldn't be done. But, yeah, I think nine on ten is not out of line at all. Brian, what do you think? I'm also going to give it a nine. This is, it's Spielberg, and Dreyfus is the fucking man. Right. And I, like you said, I enjoyed the special effects. I really like the design of the spaceship, the mothership at the end.

I thought that was really cool. Yeah. And there's just, you know, there's a lot of iconic images right down to the little small things like the mashed potatoes. I always remember the scene with the mashed potatoes. I know. It's weird. I remember it. Yeah.

It's almost like, know what that place is. You can start playing with your food when you get home tonight? Maybe. But yeah, my rating is a 9 out of 10. Damn, all right. Well, there you go, guys. Three-nine. So is that a first?

Have we ever all scored a movie that highly? Maybe Jaws? Maybe. I can't. Do you remember how we scored Jaws, Brian? I think we're like 9.5 on that one, weren't we? Yeah, for some reason, the only movie I remember rating, because it haunts me, is the darkness, because I believe I gave it a four, and that was way too high.

Way too high, man. All right. Well, yeah, the old Kevin Bacon. Oh, that was the Kevin Bacon one. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. That rating haunts me. Yeah. All right. Well, you're forgiven. You want to move on to the big movie this week?

Let's do it. All right. So the next film, which has a lot of similar beats to Close Encounters, and we really were spot on in picking these two movies. Couldn't have picked a better set of movies to go with. The director was Dennis Villeneuve, Villeneuve, or Villeneuve? I have a little trouble pronouncing this. All right, let me try again.

Dennis Villeneuve. Does that sound pretty close, Brian? I'll accept it. But you know some of his movies, for sure, because he's also known for prisoners, Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal, which is an extremely underrated movie. Oh, yeah.

Really good movie. Prisoners was really good, too. Prisoners was really good, too. That was the one with Hugh Jackman, right? Yeah, yeah. And also, Sicario. He did that as well. So, hey, the guy's on a hot street. Yeah.

And, hey, speaking of Hot Streaks, he is also set to direct the upcoming Blade Runner sequel. Wow. Yeah, so, yeah, Dennis is hot with a bullet right now, I would say. Given what I've seen out of this one, I'm actually really excited about that now. Now, the writer I wasn't as excited about when I did some research on this guy before seeing the movie, which I kind of wish I hadn't, because I really enjoyed, which we'll get into it later, but I really thought this was a well-written film.

But, you know, so I guess everybody can, even a blind nut or a blind squirrel can find a nut from time to time. Because I'm not impressed with too many of this guy's other works. He did Final Destination Five lights. out, the Nightmare on Elm Street remake, which everyone who listens to this show knows that I absolutely fucking hate, even though I do like Jackie Earl Haley,

and the thing prequel, which I think none of us were really that impressed with, right? Yeah, well, that sounds like classics. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't a classic. I thought Lights Out was pretty good. I saw that. Haven't seen Lights Out yet. You finally got

to see it. You've been wanting to see that forever, man. Yeah, I finally got a chance to watch that one. It was cool. Director Dennis Villeneuve and the writing team took extensive efforts to ensure the movie's scientific ideology was accurate. Renowned scientists and tech innovator Stephen Wolfram and his son Christopher Wolfram were consulted to ensure all terminology, graphics, and depictions were sound. Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner have both appeared in comic book films dealing with alien invasions. Adam starred in, of course, Man and Steel about the Earth being invaded by evil kryptonians

and Renner starred in The Avengers about the earth being invaded by the aliens known as the Chitari. The movie is based upon the short story Story of Your Life, written by Ted Chang in the year 2000. As soon as director Dennis Villeneuve finished the film, he began work on Blade Runner 2049. Which I'm sure we're all looking forward to. Brian, you saw this most recently of the three of us, I think.

Didn't you just see it like today or like yesterday or something? Day before. Day before? Yeah. What are your thoughts? I wasn't sure what to think of this movie at first. This movie is a slow burn. Yeah.

I absolutely felt the same way. I wasn't sure what to do with it. once I was done. It was like, man, that's a lot to take in. Yeah, there was actually people that walked out of this movie. Really? That I was, yeah. But I kind of think they might have had a perception of it. When you say there were people that walked out of this movie, this wasn't the same group that you went to see that other movie with where all the little teenage kids were on their cell phones and talking and jabbering through the whole movie?

I actually had adults in this movie. Okay. So, yeah, I think they might have. I thought, you know, alien movie expecting explosions and alien invasion. Right. And as soon as they realized that's not what was happening, they left. But that is actually... Right.

Yeah, but this is actually what I liked, that it was none of that. It was a completely different movie than what we usually get when we get alien movies. It was real science fiction. Yeah, I'm not a fan of Amy Adams at all, but I thought she was... was I before this movie, man. She was excellent in this movie. When I first heard that Jeremy Renner

was going to be a scientist in this movie. Right. It was another thing that was kind of like, I don't know, but I thought he was also good in this movie. Yeah. There's a couple things I don't want to talk about.

We'll get into it in spoilers, but overall, I thought this was the definition of a slow burn, but it was a very very good movie. Like you said, Philip, there was a lot to take in. Yeah. There was at times where I was confused where the movie was going,

but it all tied in at the end. And I thought it was a really good movie. Yeah, it took me a while to come to that conclusion. And we were just talking about the Amy Adams thing, where, you know, Lance said he's not really a fan of her. And I said, you know, I always say that I'm not really a fan of her. and then every movie that she comes out in, I'm like, man, she was really good in that movie.

And so the next movie, I go through the same cycle again. Yeah, I'm kind of, when I see her, like, what was the movie that I think she got nominated for? I can't think of it. It was... Yeah, I thought she was...

Yeah, I thought she was okay in it. Right. It's just when I see her, I just think she's okay, and then I think she's the worst character in the DC movies as Lois Lane. And yeah, I don't know. But this movie completely turned me around on her.

Yeah. I thought it was like super realistic science fiction stuff. And it was a lot to take in because it was a lot to take in. It's like if we actually made contact. I mean, kind of the same deal with Close Encounters of the third time. But if we actually made contact with these aliens, this is probably about how it would go, like in the real world. And so I think that that sense of wonderment and curiosity for me was there the whole time.

And I like that it was a slow burn, and they used that to their advantage. And I like the concept behind it. It's definitely an immersive movie. You can't be – you just have it on in the background. You've got to, like, sit down and really watch the whole thing. and pay attention. But if you're willing to sit in and strap on for the ride, then it's a good one. I was super impressed with it.

One thing about both these movies that really struck a chord with me is that they're really, they're all about communication. And what happens when we don't communicate properly and the problems that it causes, like war and strife and things like that? And when we do all work together and we do all communicate correctly with each other, and respect each other and actually listen to what the others are saying, you know, there's no limit to what we can do together as a group. It's very Star Trekian for me.

Yeah. I found this movie to have a lot of the tenets of the Star Trek philosophy, which, of course, to me, means a whole lot. I really liked her character. I love the way they started this movie, where it was real mundane. Yeah. Like, we're talking about the mundane again, where it's just kind of like, you know, she's a professor, I guess, at the college,

and she's going to teach her class, and she's like only five people in the classroom, and she's like, what hell's going on? You know, and then people's phones start ringing, and all of a sudden everybody goes, it's kind of like when we all, it reminded me of 9-11. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

They stopped doing whatever they were doing. Everybody went huddled around the TV to see what was going on. That's exactly it. And I thought they did a great job on that, and they slowly built it up, and this is something I've talked to you about lately. I always see this same recurring site, and I saw it in this movie.

And it reminds me, have you guys ever seen the TV show Battlestar Galactica, the new one? Oh, slightly. Slightly. At the beginning of the movie, they show the scientists,

the guy who invented the cyborgs that are in Battlestar Galactica that end up basically chasing the human race and trying to make them extinct. Okay. They're called Cylons. The professor who are, I guess, scientists,

you invented them, it shows his lake house. And there's this one scene where you're looking out the glass and you can see the lake in the background. And I swear I've seen this thing in seven or eight movies lately. And damned if it wasn't in this movie. Her house, when you look out, it's that same exact look. I got that same vibe as that Battlestar Galactica. Kind of like you get the feeling that it's maybe like up in the Pacific Northwest

or something like that. And it's a beautiful placid lake there. And then you can see all glass. like in the back, the doors and the windows and everything. You should build it out of mashed potatoes. I might build it out of mashed potatoes, man. I'm thinking about it, you know? I keep seeing it, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

But it always reminds me of the same thing, and I love that visual. Yeah. One of the coolest things about this was the dynamic with her and renter, because I noticed early in the movie, she said basically all civilization is based on language. They were kind of at odds. And he said all civilization is based on. science. Yeah. And I thought that was

really cool and that was a recurring thing. And I really enjoyed the non-linear way that they put this together, which we'll get in two more in the spoilers. Yeah. But it's kind of like a Christopher Nolan movie, you know? Where it's like the movie's not told from start to finish. It's not

like, you know, it's not like a movie where you've got one plot line and one plot thread going. You kind of skip back and forth in time quite a bit, you know? Yeah. I really enjoyed that. But it's not like Pulp Fiction. Right. It's not Not that extreme. True.

True enough. Yeah, but. There are more flashbacks, I guess. Or flash forwards. Oh, careful. Yeah. We're not to that part yet. I don't think that's necessarily a...

You don't think so? No. Yeah, I guess not. If people don't know specifically what you're talking about. There's little flashes that they show throughout the whole movie. Oh, for sure. They kind of come together. Oh, boy, and do they come together?

Oh, man. Yeah, this was, uh, I mean, visually, um, Like I said, the way the script was written, Amy Adams surprised the hell out of me. Her performance was great. I've always liked Jeremy Renner. I think he's a pretty decent actor. You know, and then, of course, you got old lazy eye in there.

Oh, of course, whatever, yeah. Yeah, was he a general or a current? No, he's a colonel, right? If I remember correctly. He's the one who brought him all together. Yeah. But I like it because he was really chill and calm through the whole thing. Yeah.

And he wasn't like a home. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like he was seriously interested in making first contact. He was management. Yeah. This is, I'm hiring the right people to get this shit done. And he was really good.

He was super good in his role as well. Yep. So I can't think of too much to fault about this movie, guys. So we're ready for scores? Well, I don't know. You guys have anything else that you want to touch on? Before spoilers? You know, pre-s spoilers?

Nothing. Everything I'm going to say is probably better kept in the story. Spoilers. Spoiler City. It's funny what you were saying about close encounters, because some of the notes I took when I was watching the movie, sense of wonder. Yeah, absolutely. This had a ton of that.

Yeah, but I don't think that it was so close, and I don't think it was parallel close as much that it was like mocking it or like it was copying it. I think it was its own original thing. And like we talked about later, the communication was a completely different type. Yeah, but it's definitely in the same vein. Oh, yeah, big time. Like when you said that you'd be mad if they were going to remake close encounters, I think this is about as close as they can get to it without.

And this is perfect. The way they did it was just fine. Perfectly happy. Yeah, I'm ready for scores if you guys are. Yeah, let's do it. Brian? I am going to give this an eight. Nice.

Nice. Nice. I really enjoyed it. Like I said, at first, I didn't know where this movie was going. There were certain parts of the movie that I was confused at. but when you got to the end, it just all came together. And I thought the acting in the movie was excellent.

I am, how do you say his name again, Lance, the director? Oh, Dennis Villeneuve? You just want to hear that. Yeah, I am. Yeah. Denise Villeneuve. I am all for Blade Runner. Yeah, completely.

He is starting with his filmography, he is starting to be one of those directors where, all I have to do is here that he directed it and I'm already looking forward to the movie. Might he not be the next Guillermo del Toro? And especially taking something like Blade Runner that's very fantasy and bringing it into this very reality-oriented

stuff that he does, I think is going to be super cool. Agreed. Yeah. I actually, I'm going to give it an 8.5. Wow. It took me a while to get to that score because, man, it took me a full day after watching it to even be able to sit down and think about it and what kind of score I was actually going to give it. Because honestly, when it was done, it was kind of a lot to handle. I mean, my initial thought was kind of wow, but I couldn't tell if it was good or bad, you know? I hear you, man.

Yeah, it definitely had that sense of wonderment. And it's a slow burn. You got to pay attention to the whole thing. It's not for everybody. But if it's for you and you enjoy this kind of stuff, you're going to love this movie. Well, when I went to see this movie, it was when I got off work Friday

and I went straight to the theater over there, you know the area of Market Square where AJ works. Right. So I went over and watched the movie and left the film, walked over across because I wanted to go visit A.J. for a minute at her job there. And I walked over to her and I said, babe, guess what? I think I just have seen my favorite new movie of the year, of the entire year of everything I've seen. And I mean, this has been a good year. The Conjuring 2.

Oh, yeah. The Star Trek Beyond movie. I mean, there's been a lot of good stuff this year. Yeah, for sure. So for me to say that and feel that way says a lot. I'm going to put this right on apart with close encounters. I'm giving it a nine. And I can't wait to go see this movie again.

And I'm hoping that she'll come with me. And I think she will. Because it's not a horror movie. And as you know, my wife can't stand horror movies, which is kind of... Does she do the slow burn movies, though? I think she would, because she really likes to get into those movies that make you think. Because I'm going to do it right now. I don't think my wife would watch this with me.

Really? Well, my wife seemed really intrigued. when I described a movie tour the first movie that came up in her mind was a contact yeah oh yeah it's a good one too yeah and she

I thought of interstellar quite a bit yeah yes I actually really liked interstellar this was this was kind of on the maybe a little better than interstellar because it was it was a little more reality based I think right I have not seen interstellar

oh that one's cool it's good man I own it same type of vibe but it gets a little more out there Do you have any Apple products, Brian? Yes. I'll give you my password. I've got it on iTunes.

Okay. I believe it's also on Hulu, too. Ah, okay, cool. Yeah, I just never got around to it. It's worth watching. You'll like it. Okay. Yeah, for sure.

All right, cool. So, I think it's spoiler territory, guys. That's it. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking spoiler alert

All right So as you just heard This is a motherfucking spoiler alert A little sounder So We were talking about the ending And Okay so I don't want to say that it had a Terminator vibe

But I mean there was definitely a lot of those same concepts Of going into the future To save the past and like, as I mentioned before, a very non-linear movie. And what I really like is the way that they tricked you into thinking that certain things that happened with her and her daughter and everything had already happened to her.

Yes. When she came up upon this. But then at the end, when you find that twist, I mean, that is just fucking mind-blowing. That was part of the confusing part. Because every time they threw in those flashes of, which a lot of times were actually, actually, you know, forward flashes.

They didn't explain them enough to really get what they were talking about. And so every time they threw one of those in, it kind of confused me a little bit until the end when they wrapped it all up together. And then it wraps it up in such a way that you have to really expand your mind and grasp this theory and concept that she just knows everything, the whole time, your path, you know what I mean? Like everything is and already has been

and she just knows it all already. It was crazy. The end of it was crazy, but I liked it. Yeah, I think if that twist wouldn't have happened, I probably wouldn't have liked this movie. I think you're right. I love the ending. That's probably part of what made the movie so awesome.

I mean, that and the whole interaction with the aliens, which was super cool because the aliens were very, big and ethereal and kind of scary but then they started communicating with them and you found out

that they were friendly and that's where the wonderment comes in but yeah you're right without that twist at the end I think that this movie would have been very different

and would have just fallen by the wayside yeah yeah can I see go ahead oh I'm sorry go ahead Brian oh I just really I don't think I've done it in a while can I get into my stupid people

yeah and I think we're we got wet we've sound or going to play before this that was recommended by our friend Patrick. So, uh, yeah, go ahead. Go into your stupid people thing, man. It's what plants crave. It's the soldier.

I don't know. I forgot his name in the movie. You already knew he was going to do something stupid, the one that tried to plant the bomb. Right. Inside the spaceship. Oh. Come on now. Yeah.

I just, because I, it made me mad. That will see. Little overzealous. Yeah. him and what was it like a couple of other soldiers they were just going to they were just going to blow up the spaceship blow up one spaceship forget that there's 11 others we have to blow up this one spaceship so that they'll destroy our fucking planet yeah yeah they might not have thought that went out too well yeah i'm sorry i had to get that that just i was like really you're going to blow one of the 12 spaceships and then you're going to hold off the rest of the army with just the three of you well and then the Chinese oh China

Russia calm down you don't you don't have to go to war immediately but that's that's all I had to say I'm sorry well

no it wouldn't it wouldn't be a horror returns podcast without Brian's stupid people section so you know we had to get that in there for sure had to stop myself

from going political there for a second oh yeah well no we never talk politics no no no we're not We're not going to start now, right?

Yeah, no, I just thought that it was extremely well put together. I was just, this was one of those endings. Like, when we talked about the prestige last week, and Philip, you said it was clear as glass to you. And, Brian, I think you also said that you really got the ending. But I was telling you guys, I was just a little bothered. Something about it to me just didn't totally click. Even though, like you said, you saw all those people at the end.

maybe because it was a movie about illusionist. And so I was maybe in the back of my mind, I'm expecting to try to fool you. So, you know, this is totally different from what you think it is. But I still don't quite think that that movie for me wrapped it up as neatly in the end as I would like. Dude, this movie put a bow on it. I mean, there is no way you can get around exactly what caused the communication actually occur. and there's no way you can be confused about

once you get to the end of the movie there's no way you can be confused about why she was seeing what she was seeing with her daughter and stuff like that and I mean I just think it was done extremely right that's all I was going to say yeah you know I I mean I guess it kind of worked

the way that she just woke up one morning and got it and I mean it was kind of convenient that they were about to go to war and she had to stop all that it's a movie At the end of the day, it's a movie. It's still a movie. But I kind of maybe wish that they had explained that part a little more, why she just suddenly got it.

Sure. Although, you know, that's happened to me before, where I've been struggling with this concept for a long time, and then when you get it, it just clicks, and then that's the end of it, you know. Right. And then you just know it. Sure. So I thought, I don't know.

I don't know if I thought it was cool, or maybe they should have explained it more. Yeah, I mean, I liked it. I mean, you're right, it's not a perfect movie. We didn't give it a 10, you know. You know, we all gave it extremely high scores. Hey, this has been a damn good week for movies, hasn't it, guys? Yeah.

For the two to be picked out. But I wonder if some of our listeners, we'd like to hear some feedback from you guys. Do you guys think we're getting too far off the rail here away from horror? Because, let's face it, we did Dr. Strange last week, okay? We did this, this week. and next week we're going to have a special guest on with us Jesse's going to come on the show with us and he has picked the movie that we're going to do which is fantastic beasts and where to find them oh okay cool and he also wants to do the film warlock to go along with that one nice nice yeah

yeah we've been what yeah Brian I know you and I've both been wanting to see warlock again for some time yeah I've told people that you know occasionally we're we're not going to do horror you know we do other genre films. It's just, you know, we try to go with a new movie. And, you know, sometimes there's not a lot of new horror out there. Well, there was shut-in, which was pretty much straight-up horror. And guys, I was really torn on which of these two we should do. Lance asked me about that, about shut-in,

and because we were originally going to do shut-in. And then he asked me about arrival, and I was like, oh, I heard that was really good. And I was more excited about seeing a rival. I was too at the end of the day. I think that we probably picked the better movie to review. Yeah, and I know there's other horror podcasts that also went with Arrival, too. Yeah, okay. I think it was just, you know, I'm not saying, I'm not putting any judgment on shutting.

I haven't seen it, but I think it was just a better choice. Yeah, okay. Well, fair enough. So anyway, if any of our listeners want to kind of give us some feedback, on what they think about that. And I actually had it. I did have one idea, and I want to get this out there

while everybody's listening to the show here. I was kind of thinking we could split the podcast if the listeners are interested in us doing this. I was thinking we could do the horror returns

every other week, and then we could do, I'm thinking about calling the show science fiction double feature, you know, kind of to tie into the Rocky Horror Picture show song. Okay.

And I don't think anybody out there has a podcast with that name. But we could do like a sci-fi or action or superhero movie one week and then a horror movie the next and so on. Just a thought, or we could just keep it the way it is and just do whatever it feels right. Guys, we want to hear back from you. So, you know, listeners, if you could, you know, please get on our Facebook page and email us and let us know what you think about all this.

And, I mean, we're here for you. So whatever your feedback is, we'll, you know, we'll go with it. You know, we've just got a couple of ideas we're talking about here. Yeah. And I think right now, you know, we're kind of small time, so we have to be doing this as a labor of love. But at some point, we're going to be doing it just for the listeners, you know, for you guys. So, yeah, definitely send us some feedback. Let us know what you think we could be doing better or different. And we'll definitely put those in and take them into consideration. And that's what we're here for.

Cool. Well, any last minute thoughts you guys want to make on arrival? I think we've said a lot. Yeah, I think we've pretty much said everything. All right. Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. As we were just saying, we'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. For up-to-the-minute news, reviews, and interviews, visit our Facebook page at www.

Facebook.com forward slash The Horror Returns. And what are those other pages people can find? us at Brian because you're you're the tech savvy of the three of us so what yeah you can the other sites you can go to facebook you can go to twitter you can go to instagram all you have to type in is the horror returns and it will take you to our pages search for it nobody's going to come type in a website anymore all right fair enough and you said that our winner from uh the contest last week actually got to us through uh instagram yes nice cool we're learning the now Well, definitely, guys, look for us on iTunes, and if you like what you hear, and even if you don't like what you hear, you can put bad ratings in there, too. We don't like it, but, you know, we'll listen to any criticism, feedback, what have you.

There you go, man. We can do that. But rate us and review us so we can get our numbers up and continue to bring you guys bigger and better stuff. As we said before, next week, we are going to be reviewing Fantastic Beast and where to find them. and also warlock. So, until the horror returns again, good night.