The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #258: Lonny Langston’s Patreon Picks: The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975), Little Shop Of Horrors (1986) & The Phantom Of The Opera (2006)

Episode Date: May 2, 2021

This week, we celebrate our patron Lonny Langston, with horror musicals week. It's The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Little Shop of Horrors, and The Phantom of the Opera. Cool of the week includes Mortal Kombat, Nobody, Synchronic, and In Search of Darkness Part 2. Trailers this week are Seance and Separation. We shine the podcast spotlight on So Horrified! And we get a brand new 5 star Apple Podcasts review from MechaBorilla. Thanks for listening!

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Welcome back, everybody, to the horror returns. I'm Lance, and with me, as always, my co-host, Fabulous Philip. Hey. Brutal Brian. Hey. And, uh, soprano Kevin

Well hopefully he'll be with us later But how's it going guys? It is gone It's definitely gone I mean I have to find a new name for Kevin at some point Yeah I know that didn't work at all I'm fucking struggling here but This is

What's that? Camanchi Kevin except probably wrong tribe He'll let us know Either way, I was just watching Peter Pan last night, and holy fuck, I want to ask him what he thinks about the way they portrayed natives in that fucking cartoon. I haven't anything by it. But you know what? If you watch a Disney cartoon now on the Disney channel, I don't know if y'all have noticed. They are on Disney Plus, they've got a little, I don't like some words that scrolled in at the beginning.

Have y'all noticed that on any of the older movies? Oh, the disclaimer for the racism? Exactly. Yeah, literally. That's exactly what it's a disclaimer for. And then it says, but instead of choosing to edit or delete the movie, we've decided to, you know, recognize some of the harmful content. I think that's a way to go. I didn't too, man.

I wish they would bring back Song of the South because I am trying to get my granddaughter to watch every single Disney. cartoon and it's like there's a gaping hole there. I don't know that I've ever actually seen that one. I've watched it all the time when I was a kid, man. Brian? Have you ever seen it,

Brian? It's going to be one of those. Yeah, I've seen it. I don't know if it's really that bad, but I'm not in that group, so I can't really speak for it, but fuck. There's a whole lot of people that get offended by a whole lot of bullshit these days. sometimes you've got to just realize that these things happened

fucking 40, 50 years ago. Or 60 with some of these cartoons. Like they're from the 30s and 40s, man. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, unless they like intentionally meant something disrespectful and hateful, then come on, you just got to roll with it. We'll see how it goes. But you guys got any house cleaning?

You want to cover? or should we jump into Cool of the Wheat? No. All right. My house is always a wreck. I got a bunch of fucking kids. Well, we've been canceled by universal music. So we're uncancelling by just starting over without the fucking music in it.

So I hope I can get away with saying that. Uh-oh. Well, we'll get there. We'll figure out. There might be some editing tonight. But Cool of the Week. Philip, jump in, man. Uh, Mortal Kombat

Yeah Since I wasn't on the show last week I got to see it And uh I mean, okay Kind of cool the week I guess It's not bad Great storyline or what

It's no, it's better than the original It's still stupid cheesy fun But it's at least fun They bring a whole lot of aspects to the game in there And uh I had a good time with it It sort of is on pause with Godzilla versus Kong to me. Where the story's dumb, but that's not what this movie is for.

Right. You know? So I liked it. It is what it is. So you guys know I was blown away by the special effects in the trailer. Did it live up to that? Yeah, I thought the special effects were pretty good. I like the character design on pretty much everybody.

There was definitely some cheesy moments, but, you know, as far as video game movies go, it's not like they have a great track record, so I think I would put this on top of most of those. Definitely better than even the original Mortal Kombat movie, I think. Saying a lot. A lot of fans out there for that. Well, right, and that one was fucking stupid, too. Not so many for annihilation, right, Brian? Fuck that movie.

Yeah, that one fell off the cliff. that review is coming next week yeah I was hoping it would be up by now so I could talk to you about it but I guess we'll wait I'll be patient it'll be up in a couple days

my cool of the week is real quick I'll get it over with Brian you know exactly what it is right musicals no no no no no no that's our movies of the week man oh okay I checked out with the help of an edible

synchronic Ah. Definitely the perfect movie for chemical assistance. Now, is that the one that's kind of like frequency or whatever? How would you describe it, Brian? It's hard because it's easy to spoil. So, but you remember when we reviewed the movie, The Endless? about the two guys that go back to the little, what were they, Lance,

the little community of people that they live with, that they thought, one of the brothers thought something was, they were doing bad stuff, and so they ran away, and they came back. Yeah, on the surface, it was a real simple story, like two brothers that were involved in a quote-unquote suicide cult, right? but once you get into the cult and what they're doing, you kind of realize something else is going on. It's basically they discovered time loops.

Yeah. It's in that world. It's in that time loop, well, I figured. So it's a slightly like frequency. Same universe and same directors. And they're, like you said, Brian, you got a lot more faith than them delving into the Marvel universe now, right? Oh, yeah.

I think, I think they're going to do great things with. They're doing the Moon Night series. Oh, okay. So watching their work, I definitely can see why the studio snatch them up real quick. Okay, Philip, so this is what I can say without spoiling anything that's substantial at all to the plot. Basically, it's a couple of cops in New Orleans, right? And there's a designer, oh, okay, sorry, I already fucked up, paramedics. Okay.

But they start... Well, that changes you completely. Well, yeah, they're out on the streets. Any way you look at it. And they come in contact with people that have, like, taking this designer drug. And it's really cool because one of the cops should have been a scientist, but he kind of like...

Or cops. There I go again. One of the paramedics should have been a scientist, right? That was, like, his whole background. And so he's very analytical about how he approaches stuff. So he starts experimenting a little bit and starts to realize that there's certain places you can be certain things that can be happening when you take the drug that'll put you in a certain spot. That's all I'm going to say. But his buddy, the other paramedic, loses someone close to them.

But are they really lost or can they be brought back? It's like DMT. You know what? It's a lot like DMT, dude. Yeah. And it's a great story. I love the way that they portrayed it analytically. And definitely on the top ten, I don't know if it'll be my number one of the year,

but it's up there. And it's on Netflix. So you don't have anything extra to watch it. It's synchronic. Yeah, I'll have to check it out. It's got Anthony Mackey in it. I'll take it. All right.

You got someone joining us? You there, Naz? You know what? What up, baby? Uh-oh. Is it going to be cool of the week or wrestling returns first, man? Did we make that announcement already, Brian? Yeah, at the end of the last show.

Okay, well then, negative. Cool of the week. I guess that movie Nobody. Have you guys seen that? Hell yeah. So at the theater, man. Still haven't seen that one either yet. It's out there.

Yeah. So, yeah. That movie was pretty badass. I wasn't expecting much out of it. And I definitely recommend everyone to see it. Another quick one. Good things. Another quick one.

This is, for those of you that have Peacock, there's a series on there, their series, Rutherford Falls. I heard about this. Ed Helms and Jenna. Ooh, Shmieding And Michael Gray Eyes and a bunch of other people This show's hell of funny, man

I really enjoy it I was just kind of scrolling around Peacock Not really knowing what to watch I mean, I've been just watching old things Like leave it to beaver and stuff like that Damn, really old Yeah, that's cool So they got all the whole seasons

Every season on there So I'm about that But I saw the little thumbnail that was like when you first opened up the app. I like Ed Helm. So I was like, all right, cool, whatever. And there was a young girl on there, a young lady on there. And I didn't know who that was. I was, oh, she's got some beaded earrings in a necklace.

So I watched the little trailer. It turned out she's Native American. So I was like, well, shit, I'll give us a watch. And we started watching it. My wife and I, and there is all kinds of Native actors in it. So we just start watching it. And we're about halfway through the season right now, and it's hell funny. So I really enjoy it.

It was kind of a shocker. I didn't even know what it was, much less heard of it. But yeah, we're going to definitely continue that. So it's a good series. And yeah, that's about it. A lot of people are talking about it, dude. Now, let me ask you this. So it's on Peacock.

Is it also on, like, regular NBC? Do they use four-letter words or they keep it real network-like or what? No, there's four-letter words in it. Oh, nice. Okay. That was an F-bomb that surprised me. So I was like, whoa. Yeah, it's not on, it's only on there.

It's a part of their original stuff. And the only things I've really watched on there was that out of the original things. That, Punky Brewster, and saved by the bell. So that shows back again? Well, might as well. It's the... I guess. It's basically...

Which one? Saved by the bell or punky? I think it's... Well, you talked about funky last week, but saved by the bell, hasn't there been like three or four incarnations of that already? Well, this one's their kids, and they're focusing on that. And it's funny. Zach's the governor of California

Yeah And he's not a great governor He pops in every now and then Okay He's on that show mixedish So he's got his full-time duties there I think the only ones really Other than all the new actors

Is Slater and Jesse They kind of have bigger parts I'm only a few episodes in but they've been showing pictures of screech but not I haven't really been saying anything about him but this series started before he had passed so I don't know if he had appeared at the end or whatever because I know there was a lot of bad blood between

the other cast as well as Dustin Diamond thank you to acknowledge him yeah so he said they was all doing drugs and fucking each other Well, I guess he's probably mad that he wasn't involved in any of that. But, I mean, I'm not saying he ruined his career, but I don't really know. To me, that's what it seemed like. He was just bitter and sore about not being the big star, I guess. I mean, was he the, a lot of people did like him?

Yeah. But I think as he got older and the show went on, he was. wasn't as goofy and slap sticky as he was towards the end of their run. When he was small, he was just a little nerd boy. But as he got, as a show got going, he got dumb and stupid, and you were expecting all the slapstickiness of screech. That's good point. I'm not really sure where it went from there.

But I mean... Yeah. But what they're showing right now, it's cool. It's something for the new generation. The only one who bugs me is Zach and Kelly's son. I think his name is Mac or something stupid like that, but I don't like that kid at all. Yeah, I can imagine their kid would be a douchebag, huh? But Peacock's cool.

There's all kinds of stuff on there. It doesn't have everything that I want. I mean, they don't have like different strokes or facts of life and stuff like that on there. But just another streaming. Yeah, another streaming service. So, I mean, that's what today's TV is turning into. so that's all that I got for as far as cool the week. I only really have one thing.

Shutter just dropped in the Search of Darkness part two, the sequel to the 80s horror movie documentary that came out last year. Okay. And I also recommend this one if you are a fan of 80s horror because it is another four and a half hour. of just them talking about 80s horror, and they got all kinds of guests, everybody from stars,

directors, writers, just everybody. And that pretty much was, because I couldn't watch it all in one sitting because, you know, it's almost five hours. That's a long, long sitting. Yeah, so I spread it out. But did they cover witchboard?

No, they completely just skipped over it. Which I Which is a piece of garbage Wait until I start my streaming service That's me The first thing

That's going to be on there Which board Yeah That would say Yeah Let's try it And I've been watching 60 days in

I can't get off Of that show I just I don't know I'm so intrigued By how stupid people are That they can

Think they can just Go in prison And just walk up To somebody And say Hey Do you know Where I can buy

Some drugs What? Hello fellow teenagers. Because they're supposed to come in here and kind of blend in and get to know people. But the moment they walk in there, they're completely, like, you hear the inmates like, he's the cop right there, like immediately. Like, the guy that was actually a real cop, they pointed him out.

Yeah, the, the chicken, the guy with the chicken legs and the cop haircut, he's a cop. And then this one lady just clearly just like, do you know where to buy some drugs? And the lady was like, sure. And then she was like, what do you want? She was like, I want meth. And she was like, bitch, you don't do meth. You got all your teeth. Your skin's perfect.

And it's just crazy how some of these people think they can just like they got people that I'm a Marine. I ain't going to shake. And that guy didn't even make it pass. intake. He never actually stepped into prison and he had a full-blown panic attack. Wow. Once they realize he's a cop, he's

fucking dead. He's a marked man, huh? Yeah. But they had one guy, he they brought him from a different prison. He was a correctional officer from a different prison. He was basically pod boss.

The little prison, he was like selling drugs and all kinds of stuff, getting shanks from different people. So he knew how to play it, but he had a long history as a correctional officer, so he like knew for all the things to look for.

Yeah. He knew what to do. Six months. What was that? I was a correctional officer for about six months. Yeah, it was a shit job. Was it? I saw some things.

Yeah, you see some things in this show. They actually catch someone getting shanked on camera. Damn. It was kind of intense. So, yeah, that's been most of my week. All right. We got any headlines for us? Probably not, because they're all kind of fucking stupid.

Ah, come on, man. Let's hear them anyway. All right. Selena Gomez is going to star in a psychological, thriller called Spiral. Yes, another movie called Spiral. And this will be produced by Drake. Yes, Drake is eating in.

But this one has Selena Gomez. Yes, her tiny baby face. Wow. I can't get with that. Actually, she kind of looks weird now because I think she did work to her face because somebody was like, you look like

a child. Ouch. Why fuck not? Everybody else seems to be doing it. Let's all look like aliens. Let's see here. I don't know if there's anything. What is that director that just won best director? Chloe Zow?

Yes. Uh-huh. Yeah. Don't Madly. Yeah. She's currently doing the Eternals movies for Marvel. And I guess she is going to do a sci-fi western take on Dracula. Hey, I'm all about that.

Okay. You mentioned three of my favorite things. Yeah. Real quick, any surprises from the Oscars? Not really. I did pretty good. I was 13 for 21 in my picks. What about you, Nez?

What I wanted to win, didn't win. I kind of knew Nomad Land and Zoe were going to win. You wanted a promising young woman. No, you wanted Minari, didn't you? I wanted Minari to win because that was good. I get it. I wasn't mad at it I mean no Mad land was good

I was glad I watched it I watched it again I told my wife that she'd like it so I think the only shocker of the whole night was when Glenn Close was doing the butt That's right man The fuck does she know about that

Everyone some people were saying Oh man that was planted She knew too much It felt like maybe it was fan. But they say it they're saying it wasn't. Okay. Well, I can say all they want to.

I don't know. She knew a lot. I mean, I knew I know EU. I knew who did it. I knew the name of the song. I knew what movie it was in, but she knew a little too much, but I don't know. Good for her. I mean, that was one of the nights

parts of the nights that made me laugh. So if you guys ever seen it, it's on YouTube. So have that it. My biggest disappointment. I thought Carrie Mulligan should have won best actress. I'm not mad at Francis McCormon. Keep me wrong, but I really thought she should have gotten best actress.

What movie was she in? Promising Young Woman, which did win the best original screenplay. She was good, and the movie was awesome, but I got a little more investment into Francis, so I mean, I kind of saw

that she was going to win it, but I mean, I I wasn't mad. Who won the best actor? Anthony Hopkins. Yep. Well deserved, man. Well deserved. Yes, he's put in his time and he's amazing.

I know some people were mad that Chadwick Bowman didn't win. I was torn between those two, dude. I almost put Chadwick down on my Oscar picks, but after I saw the father, I was like, hands down, it's got to go to Hopkins. How's the pressing was that movie? What movie was Chad With Bogusman in? My Rainey's Black Bottom. It's on Netflix.

I kind of felt like that's why I didn't win. Because it was on Netflix? Yeah, I just hear they look down on Netflix movies. That might be changing, though. Yeah, I feel like if they had the chance to give it to him, they probably

would have, though. I mean, he deserved it too. I'm not saying I would have been mad if he had won either, you know? Because he won the Golden Globe, so I thought... Okay, good. I thought he was going to win. And then they said Anthony Hopkins, but I was like, mm, okay.

Hopkins blew it away, man. Yeah. He fucking blew it away. If it was close, they would have gone the other direction. Yeah, if Anthony Hopkins wasn't nominated, I think he would have won. Yeah, I think it was super close. Yeah. But that's just me.

The only movie I didn't really care for that much was Mank, but I did pick it for cinematography and set design, and it actually won both of those. I fell asleep. I know that we're going to talk about it. Dude, I didn't even know that it was on. I completely missed the Oscars. And then I start looking at stuff the next day,

and they're talking about the Chadwick-Bosman and Anthony Hopkins situation. Yeah, that was my tough. toughest call. I was like, oh, Oscars. I forgot about that shit. I was shocked that the grandma won for Monash. Oh, yes. Oh, so happy that she won, man. Yeah, she deserved it. She was awesome in that film. But Glenn Close was nominated. I just assumed she was going to win. I think she was my pick, actually. So I'm glad I missed that one, to be honest with you.

I was going for the grandma. I thought I don't want to try. more well-deserved for sure. I don't want to try to pronounce her name, but yeah, she was really good in that movie. I wish she was my grandma, man. Is that the one where she's like cussing a lot?

In Korean. Yeah. He had to read it all. All right, you guys ready for the Meg 2? No. Oh, yeah, because it's directed by somebody awesome, right? It's going to fucking kill somebody this time?

That's right. Ben Wheatley. can't even imagine how different this one's going to be. Well, you're going to have to wait till sometime next year for it to even begin filming. Okay. That's cool, because it's not one that is on my list. It's weird to bring that up this early in the process. Right.

Oh, get excited. We're like, yeah, all right, I'll watch it. We can cover it on the show. Brian, I hope you pick it. Yeah, because I'm, I thought that was an interesting choice of direct. as they got. Yes, they've been

wheeled yeah so last thing here the black phone which is based off

a short story from Joe Hill and is going to be directed by Scott Derrickson starring Ethan Hawk

gets a January 28th 2022 release date oh okay not familiar with the story

but I I dig Joe Hill and Ethan Hawk and Scott Derrickson. So. Can't be bad. Can't be too bad. You're ready for the trip? Ready to take that trip.

We got three minutes to cover tonight. So we got to rush it along, right? I don't think so. So we don't fall asleep toward the end. Yeah, I imagine at least one of the reviews is going to be very short. All right, Brian. You're going to bring us the big. the small and the very, very weird?

Yep. First one I'm going to bring up is Seance. Synopsis goes, Camille, a young woman who arrives at the Fairfield Academy following one of the students untimely and violent death. Okay.

Excuse me. This stars Suki Waterhouse, Megan Bess, Madison Bady, which I do remember Madison Bady. She was the crazy redhead from, what was that, once upon a time in Hollywood. Oh, okay.

And she's also in the Handmaid's Tale. Yeah, Suki Waterhouse was in, what was that movie, Lance? You know what? Every time you say that all I think is Suki Suki, Suki, I can't think of anything else. Or Suki's Dackhouse. But, no, I do remember Suki Waterhouse. I don't know. I remember here.

Hold on. She was in it's a movie you like Lance. Yeah? Damn it. I have to look for it now because it's going to drive me crazy. Well, she's the one that had her eye pulled out.

Assassination Nation. I love that movie. Okay. Yeah, it was a great movie. She had her eye pulled out. And Handmaid's Till. Was that the one? Yes.

Yes, sir. No, that's Madison. Maybe. Yes. We're on the right. We're on the right page here. And this is directed by Simon Barrett, who has done The Guest. He was a writer for the guest in your next.

Adam Wingard territory. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, man. When I saw the writer of those two, like, why isn't Windgar directing it, right? Because he's off doing, oh, yeah, he might do a Son of Kong movie. He's busy. Son of Kong. All right. Can we just get a movie where he becomes King Kong first?

Yeah. It's Baby Kong. What did you guys think of Seance? I'm all for it, man. Looks like what we should have gotten in that remake of... God damn it. Help me out here, Brian. You watched it last year.

We didn't. The Kraft Legacy. There you can. Oh, that makes sense. fucking legacy going on in that movie. Yeah. I didn't even watch it. It'll be on Netflix or Amazon here.

I can see pretty soon. Yeah, but I haven't really heard anything good about it. You shouldn't. Joe. All bad. All bad. Yeah, I'm digging this one. It's got the little creepy vibes.

You know, obviously, you know, stupid people doing seances and they shouldn't be doing it. And I like most of the actresses that are named off. I've liked them in other things. So, yeah. And I got that vibe, too, when I, when I seen the trailer, you can tell who Simon Barrett's work with. Yeah, I mean, hey, you're next. And what was the other one? Oh, the guest.

The guest. Are both great movies. He wrote both of those. And, uh, this one looks pretty fun. fun. It grabbed my attention at least, so hopefully it'll be good. I have high hopes.

Yeah, and I think I have to do an on-air correction. I don't think Madison Beatty was the one I checked from the Handmaid Still. Help me out here, Nez. You watch the show, right? That wasn't her. I thought it was her. I thought it was, too.

She looks a lot alike. I just can't I can't remember the name of the young actress that played that part. She's been in a lot of other stuff, though. Yeah. Madeline Brewer, that's her name. They do look very similar. Spoiler. Cam! That was the movie.

We saw her in Cam, remember? The one that was on, I think it was on Netflix, right? The one we said, it was kind of, meh. where she had the she was like a sex girl that did the video cam shit were you watching

yeah I remember I don't know and there was there was like a somebody stole her identity somebody stole her identity that's the keep paying money I know

I don't yeah that's why that's why I forgot the name man I guess I didn't pay this month all right Nez you checked out the trailer Yeah, it looks cool I'll watch it All right

Nothing we ain't seen before But alright Well I don't know I was more excited about this one than the next one Spoiler Yeah really Yeah

Well let's get to the next one Seance May 27th And our next and last trailer is Separation Which is I'm looking here It's in theaters now

If anybody wants to go to the theater Not not in my town. A young girl finds solace in her artist father and the ghost of her dead mother. Is it her dead mother, though? Hmm. The star's Rupert friend, Brian Cox.

Weird to show him. Madeline Brewer, there you go. There you go, man. I guess I got my trailers mixed. Yeah, me too. This is directed by William Brent Bell. Let's see what he's directed. The boy.

Yeah. The devil inside. Looks like it falls right about inside that category. Oh. Brams the boy, too. Ugh. You're not making a good case here, Brian. I did not know this was in the theater.

I thought this was something that I would see pop up on Prime or something like that. Um, it, it doesn't really, I like, I like some of the actors in it. I like Madeline Brewer. I like Brian Cox, which I guess he's just now doing these kind of movies, I guess. I guess. Um, this looks like it could be maybe a gateway movie for kids to get into horror. That's always good. It's right.

It are. Yeah, I don't see nothing in it. that was... It looks like just your generic fucking horror maybe there's a ghost movie. You know? Like the boy.

Yeah. It falls right in that where you're like, okay. I've seen all these scenes before. At least Brian can't put it on the schedule, right? It's already in the theater. I can do whatever I want. Uh-oh.

No, I mean, it might be good, but just from the trailer, I'm like, all right, this looks like another, like, throw it in the pile of fucking haunted house movies. Yeah, I get what you're saying, because I'm watching this trailer and I'm already like, it's not the mom. Yeah. And I already know when they reveal that it's not the mom. I'm going to be like, ooh, big reveal. The twist. It's going to be really slow burn, really quiet, really atmospheric, and then there'll be some kind of twist at the end.

Who is the little girl? She's been in some stuff. Violet McGraw. She was in The Haunting of Hillhouse. You know, that's where I recognized her. She was a little girl. Oh, and she was the little girl that ate her soul or whatever, and Dr. Sleep.

Oh, okay, yeah. Told her she tasted like flowers or something. The one they grabbed by the, she was, you guys remember. I do remember, man. Yes. I do. Yeah. It's like maybe she could be our next Lulu Wilson, but it sounds like, uh, no, she might be a pretty decent little actress.

Not that came out wrong. Give a Lulu a break. I will. We all know your hate affair with Lulu, man. Lulu has been really good in the past couple of movies that she's done. She's just got that overacting fucking... I know. Yeah, that thing happening when she's little.

But, you know, she was little. Totally get it, man. All right. Like I said, separation currently in theaters. In my opinion, soon to streaming in the month. All right, that's it. Wait, real quick, Brian, did you see the unholy? Yeah.

Was any good? No. All right. Well, never mind. It's the usual shit happening. I thought, I thought the whole aspect of, yeah, I thought the whole aspect of the, they believe in that the Virgin Mary was healing people and stuff. But it was, it's nothing you haven't seen.

And it was Neagin being Negan, because like I said, I think he's kind of put himself in that box now. That's all you see. Real quick, guys. Real quick. Cool of the week almost could have been the season 10 finale of Walking Dead. I'm not caught up. Negan fucking kicked ass in that one. Is that show show?

Yeah, one more season, man. Might as well catch up. Are they in the kingdom or whatever that, um... I won't say anymore. No, I'm not. Nobody really gives a shit. They're on the fringes of it. They're not there yet.

They're on the fringes of it. What the, they're... Eugene's got his radio going. that. Oh, he's still alive? All right, I quit. Well, you said the comics, too, man. You know, I said the same thing when I, when they said, uh, there was going to be

another season. I said, are they not there yet? They're not done forever. They're not. Oh, so he's still on the radio? Yes, he's on the radio. Oh, all right. A little, uh, yeah.

There you go. That's all you need to know. Just watch it, man. You'll love the finale. All right. And there's one more season, right? Yes, period. That's it.

So is it going to be a long season? Yes. It's going to be a double season. It better be because what was going on after all of that took a while. I hope Rick comes back. He has to, right? Where's his movie? I think it disappeared, didn't it?

They shouldn't have killed him all? They should have just... Probably because nobody gives a shit. Well, they didn't kill him, but they should have just left him in there. Aaron. I know. There you go. The final season will begin August 22nd.

Yeah, and probably end August 22nd, 2028. Yeah. But it's fucking stupid because they announced that fucking what's his name and what's their name are getting a series together. Oh, Daryl and Carol, right? Yeah, so you know they live. You already know they're going to live.

Well, maybe that's a, I don't know, man. Look what I'm doing with this. hand while I do something different over here? I don't know. And then I say I saw what you did over there. Well, they weren't in the book. Carol was in the very beginning, I think, but she didn't last. There you go.

She like died quick. Yeah, she went out pretty quick, like in the fucking governor, right? Yeah, I mean, she wasn't the badass that we know and love from the TV show. She was just a character there. And Darrell was never there. So do we need a Darrell show? No. But when we watch it, yes.

Let me ask you this, Ness, because you're familiar with the comic book, too. I can't remember. Michael Rooker's character is not in the comic, right? No, he wasn't in it either. Okay, so did we actually see a body? Did we actually see him die or turn into a zombie in the first or second season? No, he was still alive, remember? See, I wonder if he's going to come back.

He came back. He came back and had that, like, crazy metal night arm or whatever. Yeah. Didn't he like sacrifice himself? Yeah, he ended up dying. Well, shit. That can't happen then. Bring back Rick, damn it.

For what? Because everyone was still going strong. Carl and all those guys, so. Ain't Rick supposed to lose his hand? Yeah. Yeah, but they got the other character. At least they got another character that lost his hand. Oh, the red skull.

Yes, right. Governor took Rick's hand, and that's, That never happened. I know, man. But, you know, they kind of made up for the storyline of the son with the little girl, right? Because she's got the sheriff's hat on now, and she's the little badass. She got killed in the prison when the governor-in-them rated it. They weren't going to do that on TV.

They didn't have the balls to do that. They should have. The first kill in the movie in the show was when they shot that little girl on the head. She was already a zombie, though. It doesn't matter when you're already dead. You probably just killed the baby, too, man. They didn't need to show it, but they could reference all the baby's dead too and move on.

I didn't like any of that. I was like, uh, but yeah, walking dead. I'll catch up eventually. I used to love that show, like a lot. Yeah, I was, I was every, every Sunday. Yeah. Hey, Steve, uh,

Stephen Loblad. Uh, shout out Stephen, man. We've been messaging. he's still he's caught up too there's still people watching it I'll get to it when I get to it I'm still like a season and a half behind on Fear the Walking Dead

you know what I think I am too tapped out of that other fucking stupid show I did like that one but I will continue with at least with fear yeah what was that other one called World Beyond Oh yeah is that just a one and done It's supposed to be two seasons

and done but I tapped down episode two but such a whiny emo kids where does that take place in this timeline who knows

in the future yeah it's like they've got helicopters and military and all kinds of shit zombies is so stupid I can't know

either they're a part of that um TikTok zombies it's not the kingdom what was it called Lance you're talking about um the the

the the Innsville Or were the railroad ended or whatever? No. Where they had the cannibals? No. Towards the end of the series in the comic books, that one lady that showed up. No, you mentioned it, dude.

I know what was it called? The kingdom was something else. That was where, what's his name with the tiger was? That was the kingdom. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't the kingdom. I cannot remember for the life of me, dude. Yeah, that other.

That's what they're headed to, though. It was like a city. Yeah, they're headed there, man. Oh, I can't remember what it was called. Wasn't it in Colorado or something like that? I don't remember. Because they're the ones that showed up with the whole military stormtroopers. Oh, they actually leave Georgia.

Oh, yeah. No, it's in Virginia or Washington, D.C. or something like that, I think. I don't know where they are, but they had helicopters and tanks and all that stuff. All right. We're getting there. We're getting there, Naz. Well, I better catch up. Do I have to get AMC or whatever to watch it?

No, no, it's a regular AMC. No, I mean, all the back stuff. Or is everything still on Netflix? As far as I know, I don't know how far Netflix has gone. I've got cable. You guys know me, I pay for everything. So I've still got cable going. I'm just watching an AMC.

I don't think the last season's on Netflix. Of the Walking Dead. It will be, though. Yeah. Man, add that shit up. I bet you pay $250 a month for TV. Easy. What season are they going into now?

Or what just ended? Season 28. Because they got up to season 9 on Netflix. I think season 11. The 11's the new one, I think. Correct. Yep. Brian's on top of it. All right.

So 10 will drop when 11. getting ready to come on. Because that's how they always do it. Makes sense. All right. Well, I better go back because I don't even remember the last thing I saw.

There were too many new characters and I didn't care. Well, there's our long, ridiculous talk about the Walking Dead, which is so irrelevant right the moment. And what's his name didn't get killed,

the way he was supposed to do in the comic books? Yeah, all of them. All of the above. What was the guy with the tiger? Spoiler alert, everyone. Oh, Ezekiel. Yeah, because he got his head

chopped off. Yeah, I guess. I guess the fans liked him. I was going to read that. I think we're past spoilers. Brian was going to read that, man. Nobody gives a shit. All right.

So we'll move on to listener feedback. At last. We will have Walking Dead questions and listener feedback. Do we? Good. No, no. I hope so.

From me. It says the Walking Dead sucks. I quit watching it two years ago. I'm not a question. All right. So our podcast spotlight this week shines on So Horrified. The show where we talk about scary movies that are horrifying for all the wrong reasons. The married couple Sadie and Matt are on a search for the worst horror movie ever made. Check it out.

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Ah. Can I have the other one? Surprise, surprise. motherfucker. If I give you another musical, Brian, can I have the other one? If you give me another musical, you buy me a copy of Cycicolorment. Shit. And now, we're going to move on to our featured attractions.

A shout out to our Patreon patron, Lonnie Langston, as we cover... As we cover the Rocky Horror Picture Show, Little Shop of Horrors, and the Phantom of the Opera. that one. Yeah, let's do that. We're going to go ahead and run. We got knocked that one out first? Yeah.

We're going to go in a reverse order. All right. I like it. A young soprano becomes obsessed with a a young soprano becomes the obsession of a disfigured and murderous musical genius

who lives beneath the Paris Opera House. Director is Joel Schumacher, also known for the Los boys and flatliners and and then they're going to

forever Oh we got COVID I told you we were going to break Lance uh writers

are Andrew Lloyd Weber and Joel uh uh the chandelier uh uh,

2.2 tons. Hold on. What's happening? Do you need a minute, Lance? Okay. All right. We're going to make it. Have a drink, Lance.

The chandelier. Was it even funny? I got. I got you, Brian. Oh. I'm confused But the The chandelier weighed 2.2 tons

Cost $1.3 million It's like Dr. Evil. And was provided by Swarovsky 2.2 tons for a fucking thing that hangs over your head. That's a bad idea. That's exactly what this movie needed. Yeah. It had a stunt double for riskier

scenes. There was also a third chandelier made, which was equipped with electricity and lighting for the opening scene. The theater fire was an actual fire. Joel Schumacher wanted realism, so they destroyed the theater for the scene. So he added bat nipples to the bat suit. He wanted realism. I guess so, man. Was that him? All right. Well, we should have added that onto the list. Lance will start with you. Since it sounds like you're pretty close with Lonnie Langston. What did you think of Phantom of the Opera? Well, when I was seeing this movie in the theater, I fell asleep.

I don't know, probably about two-thirds of the way through the movie, and AJ had to like... Longer than I did. AJ had to hit me a couple of times to wake me up. This time when I re-watched it, fell asleep not once but twice yep okay all kidding aside though you got to at least give props to shoemaker for for for for doing he must have really loved this play maybe he got a hand job while he was watching the play or something like that uh on broadway or something like that it is

one of the longest running shows ever on broadway so you got to give props to that the dude he obviously had some passion for it. There were some really big names in this movie. Yeah. And I mean big names before they were big names. It was like, I didn't even fucking know this was Gerard Butler until like a couple of years after I saw the movie. Yeah.

Patrick Wilson, holy shit, man. They looked like he was fucking 18 years old. Yeah. You know, and then you got the chick from, what's that Showtime show? Shamedous. Shameless. That's who that is. Oh, man, that never clicked.

I was like, I'm hosting her before. In my opinion, as far as the acting, is all about the backup actors. Like, Mini Driver, I thought she was great. Oh, that is Mini Driver. Holy shit. She was awesome in the part that she played, and a lot of the other, like, secondary characters were really good.

But God damn it, guys, let's face it, this was not a good movie. It was not. and the singing, oh my God, and you can, unfortunately, you could tell that was the voices of the actual actors. It's almost like they should have dubbed somebody in there, I guess. But hats off, hats off for taking, having the balls to put this together and spending so much money that they spent a million dollars on the fucking chandelier alone and having an actual fire rather than, you know, just fucking CGI like you see now all the time. but as far as the movie and the story itself, there's a reason that Lonnie probably put it on here,

and that was the fuck with us all. That's my guess. Like, like, fucking singing again. Like, I get it, it's a musical, but you guys can't have a fucking conversation. Not even two words. Yeah, dude, for me, this one was, I didn't finish it.

I tried to watch it twice. Oh, that's a big fire finale, dude. Yeah, no, I totally missed it. And I kind of don't know. Oh, yeah, you missed it. Yeah. I tried to watch it Friday night, and it was pretty late. And so I fell asleep, which is not totally uncommon because it was pretty late.

But I realized the next morning when I tried to watch it, uh, I was falling asleep again, and I just cannot hang with this movie. After seven cups of coffee. Yeah. A little line of cocaine. I was like, oh, my God, how much do I not care? Enough to not finish watching this movie. That's how much.

Brian, what do you think? Okay. I started this movie last... Yeah, I know. I know everybody does. I started this movie last week. Yeah? And I finished it this morning.

I will... Let me get the positives out first. I thought the set design was great. I thought the costumes were great. I like... I really like... What is there? Emmy Rosen, the chick from Shameless.

Yeah. I like her. I like Minnie Driver. And she can actually sing, right? Yeah. I like most of the cast. but here goes my first problem Gerard Butler

cannot fucking sing a note he can't carry it in a bucket man but my other problem is that is not what the phantom is supposed to look like he is supposed to be I think in the book he's described as kind of skeleton like right right or in the original black and white movie right

yeah yeah and you're trying to to go for sexy, I guess. Except he has a scratch on his face. Yeah. Like the reveal when he rips off the mask. He's like, do you want to see? And I'm like, see what? Yeah. You got a little, a scar, basically.

And the fucking pacing, it just dragged on and on. And what fucking made it so horrible is I watched this on Tooby. So there was commercials. Yeah, me too. It was just going on. I bought it, Brian.

I bought it. I'm sure you did. So I own it forever. And I just had to... Now you have to live with that. After I watched it, I had to dig into it. And maybe am I just missing something? So I watched videos where people were talking about,

people that were like really into the musical. Right. And day tore this movie to Shreds. And it all came down to fucking. fucking Gerard Butler. This was before. I think this was after 300. Really?

Before. Before? Yeah. So he should thank God that he got 300. Yeah, no shit. All right. Well, there's that. Remember, Lonnie's a $5 contributor, so we're going to still owe him a...

Fuck that guy. Well, there's a lot of people ahead of him, so it could be a while before we do Lonnie's commentary. So we got that going for us, which is nice. Kev, what do you think? I took it for what it was. I didn't see it until after the fact. I didn't know who Gerard Butler was. And even when I saw 300, I was like, well, who is this dude?

Once I saw his face, I was like, oh. Yeah. seen other movies he was in Quick story. I was at WonderCon in San Francisco for the 300 panel. And he was there and there was a fucking all these soccer moms in the very front role with Team Jerry

shirts and all this. And I was like, who the fuck is that? And they were like, oh, he's Gerard Butler. And I was like, okay. And they had big bull glitters, Team Jerry. And on the back of their shirts, they had all the movies he was in.

And I saw... I saw Phantom. Yeah, Dracula 2000, right? That's the movie they saw and was like, this is our Phantom. I was like, okay. So, I mean, 300 is amazing film. So one of my friends brought it to work and he was, have you seen this?

And I'm like, no. And so he threw it in. So we sat there and we started watching it. So I was like, All right. I mean, for what it was, the costumes, the set design, the cinematography. I love Joel Schumacher.

He's made a bunch of movies that I love. Lost Boys being my all-time favorite vampire film. I love 8mm falling down, D.C. Cab, flatliners. Oh, he did D.C. Camp? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I love Batman Forever.

Batman and Robin, not so much. so I'm like, okay, he directed, let me give this. You love Batman forever? That's my favorite Batman movie. Out of those four. Out of four, five, six. It's not horrible, Phil. Oh, all right.

When you get to the Batman or Robin, that's when you get like the bat credit card. Holy rest of metal, Batman. I prefer the shark repellent from the original. It, he looked okay. I didn't like when we finally got to see his face. All right.

How does the mask stay on? I don't know. I'll glue, I guess. Tape. I don't know. But everybody in. He'll tell you. Everybody in it was cool for who they were.

But did it need to be almost two and a half hours long? No. We had to fit all the songs in, man. Yeah. But, um, I think when these type of films, I would enjoy it. It'd probably be better to see it on Broadway, because to me, I think watching plays are a million times better than the movies that they make from them.

Right. I've seen it live twice, once on Broadway and once in Vegas. Was it cool live? Yeah. I didn't fall asleep. Well, and it seems like something that might be. pretty cool live. Yeah, big difference.

When I was doing my research on it, they were like playing comparison side by side. And like just the singing in the musical, the actual performance was hitting harder than the movie. Like you kind of felt what they were doing. And people were trying to say,

well, in the movie they're doing that talking singing thing. But then they played like the 25th anniversary of the stage show. And they were doing the same thing, the talk singing, and it was still hitting you more than this fucking god-awful movie.

I think when you see, when you see something like this on stage, those are all stage professionals. I mean, none of these people are stage professional. But then again... Many driver. She said some probably, right?

Well, they wanted the original from the the stage play to play the Phantom and the main actress but I guess there was some kind of somebody broke up with somebody and I guess it wasn't going to be

comfortable on stage or in the film Oh shut the fuck up. Are you serious? That's some bullshit. Yes. I mean a lot of actors start off on Broadway in plays and everything so but this this just didn't

It didn't do it for me. I mean, I only watched it the one time. I can enjoy the music aspect of it all and everything. And I'll give it to them. I mean, were these guys all singers? I don't know. I know one person that wasn't. Yeah, Gerard Butler.

I know all those soccer moms weren't there for his singing. So, okay. He got me, he did what he did. It was just another movie in his resume. So, I mean, good for him, as well as everybody in it. And Joel Schumacher as well, rest in peace. But, yeah, this movie was... I saw it once.

Not a hell of good? No, I watched it once, and that was enough for me. Right here, Rossum, Wilson, and Driver all have singing experience, but Butler had none and was provided with music lessons prior to filming. Why didn't they just voice over? or something. That's what I was wondering, man. They could have had some real singers in there, you know?

All right. What are you going to do, man? They could have got Paul Stanley or Sebastian Bach back in there? Sure. Yeah, Sebastian Bach? That would be cool. Yeah. Was it Sebastian?

Or did he do Dr. Jekyll? I know. Paul Stanley did the Phantom of the Opera. Yeah, they also meatloaf was in the running of the role, too. Really? They could have gotten Roger Waters, who's tone deaf, and he would have been better than fucking Gerard Butler. Me, I mean, I love him and everything. I'm glad he's okay after falling off the stage, but...

Oh, he did do that when we were there. Yeah. It was a Rick and then that were in there when that happened. But I don't know. I mean, this movie was what it was. I mean, it was just for the soccer mom. I guess. But yeah,

I'll never watch it again. Let's reinforce to, like tonight. What do you guys think about scores? Lance? I'm going to surprise you guys, really, because I'm actually going to, I'm going to give props to the money that they spent on making it

and trying to recreate it. Like I said, obviously Schumacher must have loved the play to put this much love into it and to put, you know, this much, you know, throw this much money at it with the costumes and the design and everything. And the songs were good.

It was just, they should have been sung by singers. But I'm actually going six. I liked it more than I didn't. I'm going six out of ten. All right. Well, it's not too out of the ordinary. I'm going to give it a, I can't give it more than a three

because I could not stay awake for the entire thing. But great cast. I thought they did a really good job. I thought it was just, you know, like, man, musicals are hard. And when every line of dialogue is delivered through a song. It's song. Yeah. What are you doing over there?

That shit gets old. Not my cup of tea. You giving it a three? Yeah, three. Damn, I'm shocked. It's that eye. Opera ghost over here. Oh, I would have preferred to see Opera Man.

You guys remember that? Saturday Night Live. Yeah. All right, Brian, what do you think? I'm going to give it a five. I appreciate the cast. What? I see they put money, well, Phil's,

You read us how much money they put into the set with the... In the chandelier, yeah. Holy shit. Lonnie is turning over in his grave right now. 2.2 tons. Don't... Lonnie's pissed. Lonnie wanted a one from you, Brian.

Yeah, no, I'll be fair, because I'm not going to... Because I'm not going to take away from what other people did in the movie. You know, it was my hate for Gerard Butler in this role that they brought it all the way down. but everybody else I thought did a great job. And I see a lot of work did because I'm looking at here, Joel Schumacher, he was trying to get this movie made for years before they even got the production. So I appreciate the passion. Yeah, thanks Lance.

The passion and the hard work that went into it. It was just the Gerard Butler just killed it and not in a good way. Get it? All right. uh kev what's your score i'm about i'm in the middle i'll give it a five i mean i can appreciate for what it is i'm shocked all the work they put into it and i mean i've seen so much of jol schumacher and i've always loved not everything he's done but i mean he did what he could do with what he had so i mean obviously he wanted the uh the mom vote so let's get uh

Gerard Butler, but he looked all right. I liked him when he had the mask on. I didn't like it when his mask came off. And the only thing I get to take away is they should have just dubbed him. Or, I don't know. He just didn't sound good.

Everyone else was fine. So yeah, it's in the middle of the road. Again, will I watch it again? No. But I can say I saw it. The chick from Shameless was surprising. Got to say. Yeah, she could sing.

Yeah. All right. On to Little Shop of Horrors. A nerdy florist finds his chance for success and romance with the help of a giant man-eating plant who demands to be fed. Feed me Seymour.

Directors Frank Oz, also known for the Dark Crystal and Muppets Take Manhattan. Riders are Howard Ashman, also known for the music and The Little Mermaid and Beauty the Beast for Disney. Damn, it's quite a resume. Yeah. Mean Green Mother from Outer Space is the first Oscar-nominated song to contain profanity.

As a result, when the song was performed at the Oscar ceremony by Levi Stubbs of the Four Tops, it was edited, replacing the more risque lyrics with a lyrical cut from the final film. Bill Murray's scene in the waiting room was filmed as scripted, but there was virtually no written dialogue when his character got into the dentist chair, except for ecstatic cries of pleasure. Over the course of two days that he filmed, Murray kept riffing various ad libs, which presented a challenge for the editor to assemble a coherent version of the scene. That sounds like a Bill Murray thing to do.

Lanny, I mean, Lance, what did you think of Little Shop of Horrors? Oh, this movie's awesome. Now, this is a fucking badass horror musical from top to bottom. And Frank Oz was the perfect director to do this because the plant was front and center in the entire, in the entire, I was going to say play, but movie. However, upon re-watching this for probably the seventh or eighth time, I just can't believe how much Steve Martin just fucking stole the show. Yeah, he really does, Denny. Oh, my God, he was just so amazing, man, with a motorcycle and the leather jacket.

And, I mean, that was obviously the high point of the movie for me. But I thought everybody in this did a great job. I think Rick Moranis was like, I can't think of a better actor to, portray Seymour than Rick Moranis. And I did see the original black and white Roger Corman movie. Nas, I'm sure you've seen it. Brian,

you probably have two. Am I right? And I love that fucking movie. And I was high as fuck when I watched it. And that definitely added to it. That's one of those black and white movies that you see and you're so high you start seeing colors and shit like that.

And this, I thought this did a great job. This was like a love letter to that original you know shitty ass roger cormon movie and for a lot I understand this was like this wasn't even on broadway right wasn't like an off off off off

Broadway type thing uh wasn't that your area expertise I think no I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it was man I'm pretty sure that it started off in like community theaters and shit like that but when you have people like fucking John Candy

show up Christopher Gass I didn't even know that was him until they showed him in the credits and I'm like what the hell of these people doing showing up? Jim Belushi. Jim Belushi. Fucking shows up. This is a fucking classic.

Decia Campbell? I think, you know what? I think every one of you guys I predict is going to love this movie. That's all I have to say. Well, for me, you predicted right. I love this movie a lot. Every time I see it, it's fantastic. I remember watching it with my kids.

It was one of the first, well, I guess maybe not one of the first ones because I watched it maybe a year or two ago. But with the kids, and they fucking loved it. Like it was, it's a great movie, man. This is a good memory that I have from childhood. Maybe it's just nostalgia or whatever, but I had a lot of fun with this. And it's got just so many badass people in it, you know? I fucking John Candy. How can you not love anything that John Candy's in?

Oh, man, I know. We lost him way too, way too early. Him and Chris Farley, you know? Yeah. They're making some badass movies up there somewhere. You guys got to read that story about how they all read the same script. Did they? Really?

I haven't heard that. James Belushi, too, or Jim Belushi? What? They all read this script for a movie and all of them passed away. It's a cursed script. Jim Belushi is still alive? Oh, James Belushi then. The other Belushi.

John. John Belushi. John, not Jim. Killing the wrong people. Sorry. But yeah, no, I love everything about this one. Like, I'm not a huge musical person, But this one is a lot,

lot, lot of fun. And I never hate watching it. Brian, what do you think? I also love this movie. I mean, what's not to love? The songs are fun. The puppetry with Audrey, too, is fantastic. Yeah.

Well, in the real upbeat, the songs. Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, even when there's, like, murder happening and stuff like that, you know, it's kind of fun. I don't know. They make murder and people get to eat fun. And

Rick Moranis, I mean, what can you say? I love the guy, you know. I do too. Even to the point when that thing happened to him recently where that guy ran up and punched him when he was walking down the street. Somebody ran up with him. Punched Rick Moranis? That's what the internet said.

How could you punch? We got to find that asshole. Yeah. Yeah. this is the second movie I've reviewed this week with John Candy in it, and it just shows me how much I missed that guy. He was such a big part of my movie watching growing up. And Lance, I agree with you. Steve Martin steals the show.

I mean, I love his character outside of the, you know, the woman beating stuff. But he improvised so much, like his whole scene when he first comes into the dentist office. like him punching the nurse and ripping the doll's head off. Like that was all improvised by him. That wasn't in the script. That doesn't surprise me at all, man. And Steve Martin's a genius. And of course Bill Murray.

And Bill Murray's genius. Of course he did. Because he, like you said, he's a genius. And everything worked for me. Pam and Gina from Martin are in the little singing trio. There you know. That's always fun. And loved it.

It's one of my favorites. Payman Gene, I love it Kevin, what do you think? Yeah, this movie's awesome. I love it. I saw it when it first came out as far as stage play. The only one I've seen is the one that they put on

when I was in high school. I thought that was really good. I cannot remember the guy. They did a little shot play in high school? Yeah, at our school they did. See, there you go, man. I knew it was off Broadway. So it was cool.

I did see the Roger Corman one with Jack Nicholson. That one was, it was what it was. It was still good. But everybody in it. Jack Nicholson, man. Yeah, everybody in this movie was awesome. Every single person, even if it was just someone standing around that had a line or two. Yeah, like a wino in the street, right?

Yeah, Steve Martin, I mean, I love Rick Moranis, but Steve Martin just stole. He stills, even if he's not the main star, every time he's, he's on the screen, he steals it. And he did. And he really puts the time into each character he's playing. I mean, I grew up watching Steve Martin on Saturday

Live and the jerk and all that type of stuff and his stand-up. Crazy guys. I love that one. A poor black child. Yeah. I'm having it. This movie was awesome. I mean, everything.

The practical effects of Argy2, was that the plan to me? It was all practical, wasn't it? Yeah, that was cool. And I love these type of musicals when they just burst out in the song. I love them. But there's actually a story in between the songs, right? Yeah, I mean, it's not like just singing through the whole thing. Yeah.

They're talk, talk, and then break out into a song. I love when they do that. It doesn't seem out of place. yeah i mean so but the whole movie is good it's it's an amazing film uh this is one of those ones i can throw it in and enjoy it even if i'm like cleaning a house i can walk around cleaning and singing the songs i mean it's it's it's a true 80s classic um frank oz he's directed a lot of things but um i'd probably say this was probably my favorite out of everything he has done Dude.

Playing a lot. Yeah, man, this movie's awesome. I love it. All right. Let's do scores. Little Shop of Horrors. Lance, what do you think? It's nine on ten, man.

It's almost a masterpiece. It's like right there. There's a few little things in there that don't quite get it to a ten. Like, I've only got like three movies that are tens for me. And this ain't quite there, but God damn it's close. Nine on ten. You know what? I wasn't totally decided on my score, but I'm going to agree with you.

I kind of love watching this movie, and I would watch it pretty much anytime. I should have bought this one instead of the fucking fan of the opera. Yeah, that was garbage. I mean, personal opinion, because I can respect the people that really like it. I just, man, every time they started singing, I was like, huh? But on Little Shop, everything is real upbeat. You, you, the, the music is more like a Disney cartoon, where they're in the middle of a scene, and then it just turns into a song.

I totally get that, man. When feelings hit, you know? And I like that. It works. It's not every fucking word that you say. has to be in a song. And I appreciate it for it. So Little Shop of Horrors is awesome.

Plus, so many comedy legends. It's just fun to see them work together. Brian? Real quick, before I get to my score, that script was called Atuk. It's about an Alaskan Inuit that visits New York. Six actors attached. It's the Brian Stitcher story.

Oh, really? I'm not Inuit, so. Six actors. But you live in Alaska. It counts. Did it ever get made into a movie? I'm trying to get to it. Six actors attached to the play,

attached to play the starring role, have died prematurely. Everyone from Sam Kinnison, John Belushi, John Keeney, and Chris Farley. Well, they just picked the biggest drugies in Hollywood. what did you think was going to happen? I don't know.

The movie never got made. Sam Kinnison, that guy. But back to the movie. This movie is a 10 on 10. Nice. Lonnie's mission is accomplished. I think Lonnie's missions failed. Is it Lonnie or Lanny?

I fucking can't remember. can't remember either. I don't know who that asshole is. Uh, Kev, what do you think? Oh, this is a 10. Yes! This movie's all the good. Hella good. It's got the hell of good stamp. Yeah, that's a hell of a stamp, man. And if I find it on YouTube, I will put the original ending to this movie.

Okay. Because it's very dark and bleak. Is it really? Where the plants take over the world and everybody dies. There's still, there's still time for us. sequel. They're trying to do a remake and I don't want that. Nah, not necessary.

This is fine the way it is. Dane DeHan could play Rick Moranis' as part of Jesus Christ. He could be the Phantom. Well, if he could sing, I'll look the other way. But, yeah, I don't want a sequel. Because if

Rick Moranis ain't doing it, I don't want a sequel. And he's doesn't really seem like he's interested in acting anymore. Yeah. I respect the hell out of Rick Moranis, man. I like the decisions that he's made, and I don't remember seeing him in anything bad.

No, not really, from SCTV all the way up, right? Honey, I shrunk the kids. She was the jam. Love to watch that with my kids. I don't like to watch it so much alone. Actually, the one after that, honey, I blew up the baby, that was terrible. No, that was the best one. You like that?

That was hella good. We're all great. Ouch, we're going to disagree. That was a way better than the first one. Oh, he is coming back. He's coming. They're doing a series on that movie. Come on.

On Disney Plus, he's coming back. Oh, well, there's the money right there. Okay. Is he going to be in the Ghostbusters movie? You better. Right now they say, No, but I think I really think they're keeping that secret. Yeah, I bet you he'll come in there.

To hang out with Bill Murray and him. Yeah. Well, it's lucky Bill Murray showed up. Yeah, right. All right. So Little Shop of Horror is definitely recommended. We shall move on to the Rocky Horror Picture Show, a classic. A newly engaged couple have a breakdown.

in an isolated area and must seek shelter at the bizarre residence of Dr. Frank Inferter. Director is Jim Charman also known for the knight slash the prowler and shock

treatment. You ever heard of the night slash the prowler nes? I've probably seen it. It sounds familiar. Sounds weird, man. Nope. Don't know what that is. Writers are James Sharman with Richard O'Brien. Hey, you know what?

Everybody can hit gold ones, right? Sure. Filming took place from October through December in Bray, near Windsor, England. Barry Boswick claims he was always wet during the filming because the castle had a leak. Yeah, I'm sure that's the only reason he was wet during the filming. There was one warm room. room filled with the cast members

warming up until the room caught fire. Steve Martin, speaking of which, auditioned for the role of Brad Majors. Huh, huh.

That could have been a completely different movie. A game changer. All right. Lance, what did you think about the Rocky Horror Picture show? Fucking love it, man.

It's my high school days revisited. We used to have midnight movies. I don't know. You young kids, I'm talking to you three. Because, Nez, you're much younger than me, too. So just deal with it. Do you all still have

midnight movies or not? We don't have movies, period. No, that's true. That's true. But yes, we had midnight screenings up here. Okay. Yeah, I went to like a midnight screening

up, but it was like a play. Where it was just this, what do you call it? Like a, God damn it, the off the top of your head thing? No, yeah, in other words, the movie was showing on the screen, right? But people would get up and literally act out the movie. Am I right in full costume? Just actors acting out the movie. No shit.

It was an improv troupe. That's the word of. That would be awesome. And it was an improv troupe, and then they were doing Rocky Horror Picture. show. And I mean, you know, there was fruit being thrown and everything else, bubbles and all kinds of crazy drugs. It was fun. Oh, man. No, this is just big high school memories. So there were two staple movies. Every single weekend, we would drive into Austin because I went to high school in Georgetown, which is a little podunk town north of Austin. And it was, it was always, it was always Saturday

and it was always either this one or Pink Floyd the Wall. And there were always drugs and alcohol involved, period. Every single fucking time. We never, I think as a matter of fact on this rewatch, I didn't see it sober either. But I don't think I've ever seen this movie sober, which is probably the way the filmmakers intended it, I think. Definitely.

Because it makes absolutely no sense. it's completely surreal nothing in this thing would even hint at like winning an Oscar or being considered a serious movie but somehow it all works and I'm going to tell you right now

Tim Curry this movie made his career this guy has got this roll down so fucking spot on and this is when I fell in love with Susan Saranda and you guys can say what you want about her politics and her speaking out about certain issues and things like that. But God damn it, I love her.

She is so gorgeous. And she's still gorgeous. She is. I'd still totally do her. Is she fucking, is she bathing in baby's blood or what? Regardless of how much I disagree with her bullshit. Oh my God. Oh my fucking God.

She is still hot. And then you were guys were talking about meatloaf earlier. And he kind of steals the scene that he's in. I love meatloaf in this. This is that. absolute classic. I mean, it's just a surreal trip into nonsensical, musical,

genius, I don't know what to call it. This is one of the greatest films ever made, period. That's it. Nice. Yeah, you know what? I can't really disagree with anything you just said. It is a classic, classic. And I don't know how it is turned into this cult phenomenon but there's

something magical about this movie where if you had different actors in there it may not have worked out the same way yeah they re-did it and it sucked yeah yeah network TV thing it was horrible

yeah of course it was but like the original is so ahead of its time and progressive and I don't know man everything that they did was just they didn't take anything seriously and it was great. Don't dream it, be it.

I mean, it's like whoever you are, wherever you come from, whatever your orientation is, fucking be it. God damn it. That's what this whole thing is about. And that's part of the reason I love it, man. It was just this,

it was freedom, you know? That's what this movie represents. And it is great. The songs are great. The actors are great. fucking everything about it is great. I love this movie. It's a classic.

Brian? Yeah, sorry. I recognize the iconicness, the cult status. Tim Curry was great in this. The songs were fine, the wardrobe. To me, this is a... This movie is a certain time, a certain place. This is not just a throw one.

I'm surprised, dude. I really thought that you would enjoy this one more than the other two. No. Like I was saying, this is another time, another place. Like, you got to see this with the crowd in a theater to really fully enjoy it. And that does make a difference. Yeah. But I love Tim Curry in this.

I love the scene where Meat Loaf, just explodes out of the freezer on his motorcycle. Yeah. I thought everybody was Susan Sarandon's hot, and I just want to say that her daughter is also pretty fucking hot, too. Yeah. Yeah. Good genes in that family.

Oh, yes, for sure. I wouldn't give for a, never mind. Yeah, let's not get in trouble. But, yeah, I don't enjoy this as much as I did, Little Shop of Horrors. I watched this probably later in my life than I did Little Shop, so I don't have that nostalgia, nostalgic feel for it, but I do recognize all the good things about it, and I don't really have any negative about it. It's just it just didn't hit me the same way as Little Shop did. As our buddy Pedro would say, nostalgia is a hell of a drug, right? It is, man. Yeah.

And a lot of where I'm coming from is a girl I was dating at the time took me to the Rocky Horror Picture Show with the improv. And like it was an experience. That sounds awesome. And see, that's something I've never experienced, but I sure would like to. It was very, very cool. It was a thing that I'll remember for the rest of my life. Kev, what do you think? was fucking garbage.

I'm kidding me. I never go. Fuck. I love it. I only saw it because there was some stuff that was going to happen afterwards if I went and seen it. Right.

Right. A friend of mine, let's go see it. So she took me and nowhere it goes after that. But that was the only reason I went to see it. Love it. As far as CNN,

in the theater at a midnight showing that that's the experience that's the way to see this right to throw it in right now in your live room and sit there and watch it horrible film um so kind of got one win Brian I love the way

I saw it the first time everybody was into it uh everyone was dressed up it was awesome I was more focused on the audience and everybody jumping jumping up on stage in front of the screen. And I thought that was amazing. I give that, just that performance of everyone loving it that much. That's a 10. It was amazing. It was a hero. But the movie itself,

I just didn't care for it. Richard O'Brien was badass. I loved him as riffraff. That's the dude that wrote the songs for it, man. Yeah, I thought that, I mean, and the, and the songs, all the songs were awesome. Those definitely get a 10. I can listen to the soundtrack. But the movie was, oh, I was this. I don't, I don't get it. I don't. I mean, the only, I could, I can go see this again in the theater if everybody's there into it, because the bubbles, the water gun, everyone throwing, during, a toast. Yeah, toast and throwing rice during the wedding scene and the water guns when they're walking around outside in the rain, that was fun. I didn't know what to expect, because my friend Tommy goes, it's going to be awesome. Just be prepared.

that the audience is going to get into it. And I'm like, okay. You didn't like seeing Susan Sarandon and touch it, touch, touch, a touch, touch me. I love the time work song. I love the song that Mealof sang. And it was what it was. I mean, I could take it. I would probably love the, if I went and saw it on stage, musical.

I'd probably love that more. Yeah, that Rocky Horror Live that did a few years ago, garbage. I couldn't even get through it. I don't even watch it. I couldn't agree more. It didn't capture the same magic. I loved, what's her name from? Orange is the New Black.

She was Tim Curry's character. Not the same. I love her as an actor and everything, but it just, yeah, it was, I couldn't handle it. I couldn't even handle Greece live when they did that. Oh, my God. Bad idea. That's another one. Don't redo that.

Yeah. I mean, Greece is my all-time favorite musical. I love, no, make it, make it my sex. Blues Brothers is my first favorite musical. There we go. Oh, Blue Brothers 2000, right? No. Blue Brothers and then Greece.

I love Greece. And the way to see that as the sing-along Greece, because that was so much fun. I sang my ass off that night. But anyway, but this film, I can appreciate for what it is. It's a cult movie, yes, I agree with it. But a movie as just sitting there and watching it, throwing it, I have it here in my collection. Of course I do. But it's, I just, I can't do it.

The only way I can sit through it is if I'm sitting in the theater enjoying it with everyone else. That's when it's fun because I can sit there and sing along to the songs and everything. And nobody judges you on how you sound. I mean, I don't care. You're just, you're there to have a good time. And yeah, fuck, I was high as fuck when I first saw it. But, I mean, that was the enjoyment of seeing it that way. If none of you listening to me right now, I'm sure you guys are bitching and complaining on how much I hate this movie.

But you have to see it that way. If you didn't see it that way, it's kind of hard to get what I'm saying. Because like I said, the movie's garbage. But I really loved it when I was sitting in there watching everyone get into it. Because I wasn't expecting that. I didn't know. We were standing in line and like, oh, wow, there's a ton of people here. Cool.

It's going to be a packed house. And they say it's like that every weekend. And I was like, cool, right on. I only saw it the one time in the theater. And I'm glad I did see it that way. But I can't sit and watch it by myself. I just throw it in. It's just, I can't.

That's one of the things I remember from the improv show that we watched it at is I was a little nervous because it was sort of out of my comfort zone to go to this theater and watch this crazy fucking thing with a bunch of dudes in women's lingerie. And everybody was so welcoming. It was such a great experience.

Yeah. Like everybody got along. Everybody was having a good time. It was fantastic. I love it. Kind of like Rock, Oklahoma. Yeah. There you go.

Because it was like everyone, everyone was having a good time everyone was passing around drinks um there was no joints or anything being passed around because they were just didn't want nobody smoking in there but outside yeah man you are a liar my friend everybody was lit up outside but i mean it was cool i mean the little the little bottles were being passed around the little um whiskey things here take a hit yeah sure shit i was what 16 when i saw this and i was like sure yeah i was hitting it and I didn't care, but I mean, yeah, the experience of everyone like, because when my friend made the mistake, he's a virgin, and then, ah,

and then everyone started throwing shit at me. I didn't care. I thought that was awesome. The Renaissance Festival, Phil. Had that happened, yeah. That was awesome, the experience of that. I was like, oh, man, this is fucking great. I love it.

And then when the movie was over, I mean, hey, I'll see you next week. And then everyone goes back to their regular lives. but everybody was like high-fiving and hugs and all that. I mean, I don't know how many people I hugged that night, and I thought it was awesome. I didn't know there's people. They didn't know me, but you could feel the love in the audience, the love for the movie, the love for everybody in there. I mean, I loved that experience. I mean, how often do you get that experience when you go to a movie theater to see a movie?

I mean, I've seen Star Wars a billion times in a theater. I mean, even after the fact in fucking. 100 years later, everyone still enjoys it, but nobody's hugging and passing around booze and throwing shit in air during Star Wars.

Not their theater. I mean, but it's, this movie, again, I can take it for what it is. It's definitely a cult classic, but I can't sit and watch it. Just, and I, because the first time,

I think when it first made its run on TV, I was like, oh man, I want to watch this again. We see it for, really loved it and I was like oh fuck I couldn't get through it ended up just turning it off a few years back Jesse and the Hellbilly we did it for horacopia

and I barely got through it then I was like uh but what I'm saying now is what I said then on that show I love the music and I love the experience of seeing in the theater but I just I can't watch this movie it's to me it's just terrible you just don't dream you got to be it. I'd rather be in the theater being it, but I just, I couldn't do it. Shock treatment?

I loved that one. That one was cool. I like that one. Was it a continuation? I don't know, but I took it for what it was. I only watched that one because of Richard O'Brien. That was the only reason I seen that one. And I loved him in Dark City, if you guys haven't seen that.

I thought he was badass in that movie. But again, I mean, to each his own. I mean, my movie taste is all over the place. It really is. I never know what to expect from you, dude. So, but yeah, I mean, I just, this movie ain't for me. All right. Let's do scores.

Lance, what do you think? I'll go another 9-0-10. I think it's a, it's a, not just a cult classic, but I think it's a, it's a classic fucking film. Totally surreal, totally giving yourself over to ultimate, um, just being. and yourself and doing whatever you want to do and appreciating other people for what they believe in. So I'm all with it. I'm nine on ten on this one also.

Nine on ten. I'm going to give it a hell of good stamp. That's my score. I'll give it a hell of good. Yeah, dude. You know what? Nine and a half, I'm going to say. Damn! I fucking love this movie, dude. Little Shop of Horror is probably a better logistically movie, but this one's got some, again, nostalgia is a little of the drugs.

It's got the feels, right? Yeah, it's got, it's got the feels, it's got something, something special. Something special that'll never be recaptured, right? Something special behind it that's interesting and that it's very rare to come across. So I'll give it some magic on that. Brian? I agree with everything you guys said. But I agree with Nez.

It's more of the experience of watching this with the crowd, with people that truly appreciate it. Maybe true. It's a lot better than sitting at home by yourself and watching it. But I recognize the cult classic iconicness of this movie, and Tim Curry is fantastic in almost everything I see him in. So I will give it a seven. Fair enough.

Kevin. What do you think? I give it a two. Kevin gave the Rocky Horror Picture show with two. And we're all over the place. We're a fucking nine. Holy shit. I don't know.

I can give everybody in it that acted ten. I thought they were awesome. But it was just, yeah. It's cool, man. That's why we're here. You're judging the movie based on the merits of the movie, right? Yeah. I can't get into it.

I can't just throw it in and watch it. I'd rather listen to the soundtrack. I can get more. I can get more enjoyment out of every song in it was good. I can appreciate that. Well, before we go into the outro, Naz, Brian, what do you guys have coming up over there on action and streaming?

You want me to go, Nas? Go for it. All right. currently you can check out 1995's Mortal Kombat We got Mortal Kombat Innihilation coming next

Then we will move into the new one You'll hear You'll hear Stream Fiends Currently you can hear Of 1998 Yeah Belly

Featuring DMX We did that in honor of him Good movie And we just recorded nothing but trouble, horror comedy. I'm doing the quote signs in the air on the horror.

We did that in a memorial to Shock G from Digital Underground who just passed and what else we got coming? Oh, fuck, I don't know. Those ones. We got more stuff. Tennis on HBO Max now.

So have we covered that yet? What is? Tenet. Yeah. Oh, it is on HBO Max? Okay, I still haven't watched that movie. As of tonight, I think. Okay, cool.

Special effects and all that was awesome, but the story, yeah. Yeah, you know what? I probably am going to watch that tonight because I was kind of there, too. I didn't, the story wasn't really grabbing me. Yeah. I think that's one you have to watch twice, man. It's one of the ones I was really excited about. But, you know.

Well, it's backwards. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, that, that's pretty much what we're doing. got coming and we got some other things working but when we figure that out we'll let everybody know all right another um another sidecast for the the horror returns network so that's still in the work that's in the works everyone we don't really know yet so but we're working on it we play it we play it by ear yep uh and as always we want to thank you guys for listening to another

episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. Please email us at thehorrorreturns at gmail.com. Check us out on Facebook, Twitter, etc. Next week, it's another Patreon pick show. No wonder Universal Music came after so hard, man, with all these fucking patrons. So I guess we're our money bags rolling here. So we're going to honor Tim Davis. Oh, sure I'm sorry, Tim Davis. And best of all, Tim will be joining us. That wasn't very Australian, was it? No, he sounded like one of them guys from Monty Python for a second.

I'm kind of having a hard time my understanding. All right. We're going to be reviewing Jaws the Revenge. Yes. Another Schumacher classic, The Lost Boys. Yes. And, really? Yes.

Tim, you cock sucker. Dude, tell me you don't want to watch that movie again. Fucking Christ. I'm going to watch the fanatic again. Really? Oh, man, that's a 30 all around. And I just picked it up on Blu-ray, too. Oh, I got it.

I got all of those on Blu-Wray. All right. If nothing else, just find shit to make fun about. None of it. Those are classic films. Philip! Philip! Until the horror returns again.

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