The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #26: The Exorcist (1973) & Incarnate (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: June 6, 2021

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So you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always. are my co-host, Brian, and Philip. How's it going, guys? Goodissimo. Going pretty good. I got my not-so-cool ready to go. All right.

Well, we're all ears, Brian. Well, I've just had a shitty week review. We're about to review. Oh, just all around. Yeah, the movies went with my week. I have a thing where I got to, if we're reviewing an older movie and it has sequels, I got to watch the sequels. Oh, okay, that makes more sense now. Yeah.

The Exorcist sequels. Right. Probably some of the worst movies I've ever seen. You know, I'm not sure. I may have seen the second one. I don't know if I've ever seen any of the others. Yeah. Yeah.

Segway is called Exorcist II, The Heretic, right? Right. Yeah. Before I, I've never seen it. and I read a little bit about it. It's said to be one of the worst movies ever made. So of course you

have to watch it. Yeah, and it is a complete piece of shit. It has it goes way off from what the first movie is. It has Linda Blair. Okay. But it is horrible. She's got like telepathic powers

and all kinds of other shit and I legit can't remember it. I know I've seen at some point, but I don't remember a single scene. Yeah, the third one's actually decent. I like the third one. Yeah, I was about to say, I've heard the third one is actually pretty good. Yeah.

Is that a prequel, or what's the third one about? It involves a serial killer, and I think he's possessed by, the priest from the original Exorc's pops up in it. Father Karras? Yeah, is that the one that? the younger one. Yeah, but he died. So how can...

Yeah, he, but he, in, in demon form, he pops up. Oh, he's a demon. Yeah. That's the best way I can put it. But, uh, the beginning, though. The Exorcist, the beginnings. Right. Well, Exorcist, the beginning and Dominion are basically the same movie.

Yeah, they are exactly the same movie. Yeah. They're horrible, too. You know, like it? No, they're, they're... I saw those in the theater. I mean, they're definitely not making any kind of top movie list. Yeah.

Yeah, all right. And then on top of that, I watched the old, what was it, repossessed, the comedy. Oh, yeah. The, isn't that directed by Zamechus or somebody like that? I think so. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah, that is actually better than most of the Exorcist sequels. Yeah, Linda Blair's actually in it, right?

Yeah, but Yeah, it is a horrible week. It just topped off with the shittiest movies possible. Do you, like, watch movies at work and shit? I don't understand. Yeah, I find them on my phone, and I have some, I have some, a few moments at work where I can fit them in. It's like he's watched, like, 27 movies this week. I had a few moments at work where I could watch every fucking Exorcist sequel ever made in one day.

I want you doing that, dude. Yeah, well, for one of our movies next week, I got some movies lined up. It would probably be... All right, cool. Probably be another shitty week of movies next week. Oh, come on, man. Have a positive attitude. I did watch the one you suggested, though.

Which one was that? That other Exorcism movie, I can't remember the name of it. Oh, the last Exorcist? No, no, the Atticus Institute. The Atticus Institute? Yeah, watch that. Oh, yeah, we got a list. that's

that Chase, he's curious to hear what you had to say about that because this, this friend of mine,

Chase, has been trying to get me to watch this movie forever. And he's a listener of the show. So what did you think? I liked it,

man. I thought it was pretty good. I thought, well, I mean, it was, spoiler alert, better than

whatever the fuck that movie is we watched this week. I can remember the name of it, incarnate. And incarcerated? Because that's what the filmmaker should be?

But, no, It was cool. It kind of had the same of, it went along the same, like, similar storyline to Incarnate, except it, like, took it a step further with the science and stuff. And it was actually good. Yeah. We're spoiling the hell out of Incarnate already.

We're not even to that part of the show yet. Well, I don't think saying it sucks as a spoiler alert. That's just telling you that you probably need to listen to spoiler. It's because you're not going to watch the movie. What do you think, Brian? I didn't get a chance to watch it. Yeah, I'm going to have to check it out. I promise Chase that I would.

So, Chase, if you're listening, Philip took you up on it. The other two of us are still going to. But again, the only copy I could find so far was that one where somebody was in like an office building and had a video camera on the TV and the office room. Oh, I got that. You know, those pull down screens that you have, like in offices for meetings and shit like that. Oh, yeah? And they were fucking filming the show on the screen. Well, that's my.

That's one way to do it. That's the definition of a shitty copy, though, man. I mean, I'd rather see a guy walk into a movie theater with a camera any day of the week than that crap. That's what we used to call, no offense to any of our Muslim listeners, but a haji copy. That's right. You were in the military, so you were exposed to that all the time. I bought a bunch of those off those dudes. Well, what was your cool of the week, man?

Was that it? No, actually, I think my cool of the week is probably Home Alone. I watched it. I mean, I can talk about The Walking Dead, but that's always going to be the cool of the week. And it was a cool episode this week. Quick question about The Walking Dead. I'm not caught up, but I'm hearing that the ratings are dropping every week. Really?

Yeah. I heard that, too. They don't seem to be too concerned about it. I don't know why. I really like this season. I think I know why I have a theory. Because this season, if you read the comic books, Like, I have the Nagan storyline actually really isn't that long.

Yeah. And they're really, because they got a great top-tier actor to play Negan, they're really going to drag it out as long as they can. So you end up with all these, what they call like bottle episodes. Like I think they refer to it because it's like a ship in a bottle where it's just like a standalone episode that doesn't have anything to do with any of the others. Or they'll take some other character and stick them out there like they did with, with what's her name last week.

Yeah, with Heath and what's her name, Tina? Yeah. No, Tara, right? Tara, yeah. Okay, so you remember that one, Brian? Have you seen that one yet? I've only watched the first two episodes this season. All right, well, no, I mean, we're not going to spoil anything then.

I still enjoy it. I mean, I enjoy those bottle episodes because it kind of expands the universe a little bit. It's still my favorite show on TV. I hope to make it last forever. Yeah, I mean, if people are dropping off, you know, watching the show, who really cares. I mean, you know, if you had 15 million viewers and now you have 8 million or 9 million, who cares?

That's still a high number. I don't know, man. I thought that was probably the best season premiere that they've had in a long time. And this last episode was really good, too, and it looks like next week, because it was, it was all about Jesus and

and Carl. Right. That's right. Yeah. And then next week is going to be about the main group, too. Yeah, yeah, you're right. This episode that just aired, not to give too much away, but I really, really, I was, like, getting excited about it because a lot of the lines that he was saying, like, well, I'll give one line away, Brian. It won't kill it if I tell you one line. He has one of the guys, because, you know, they're all scared of him, and he has to bring Lucille in for him. And he says, boss, you left Lucille down by the truck. And he says, oh, did you take good care of Lucille for me? Yeah, I did, boss. Did you treat her like a lady?

Yeah. I did, boss. Did you rubber pussy? Uh-uh, uh, uh, uh, because he didn't know what to say. And he said, God damn it. Lighten up, boy. That's a baseball bat. It doesn't have a pussy.

And that was straight out of the fucking comic book, which I love. So, I mean, they're getting a lot closer to the comics on some of these episodes. Yeah, I think that they're leaning more towards it now. Yeah, I like that. And then I don't really mind the standalone episodes because they got to expand the universe. They've got to keep the show going for a while. while, you know? Yeah.

They can't just rush through the whole story. Hell, if they did, man, the Negan storyline would almost already be over by now. Yeah, right. Well, yeah. And, I mean, he's obviously a bigger badass than, uh, uh, the governor. The governor. Yeah. So they got to make him last longer than, right?

He had at least a season or two, shit. True. Right. So your cool of the week is home alone, huh? Yeah, going back to that. When's the,'s the last time you watched that movie? too fucking recently it's been it's been a long time

I don't want to watch it every year or anything but it's been a long time since I've seen it and man it's classic they've got a lot of really good actors and a lot of really like laugh out loud funny moments yeah I got to admit it's pretty good when that dude gets a spider put on him

the tarantula and flips out I was dying oh Daniel Stern yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you guys ever see you guys ever you guys ever see the making of that scene? Like, when the spider's on him, he's not actually screaming.

Oh, really? What? Yeah, they had to add that in later because they didn't want to scare the spider. I wouldn't want to scare the spider either. It was a big motherfucker. All right, well, so home alone, huh? Yeah, I mean, call it lame or whatever, but that was fun. I really enjoyed watching that. I was with the family.

It was a cool moment. No, that's cool, man. I mean, this is a horror podcast, so we may use some four-letter words, and lame is a four-letter word. So you're covered. It's also a four-letter word. Right. All right, well, my cool of the week is a little show on HBO called Westworld.

Yeah, you guys check this out yet? I still haven't seen it. Yeah, I'm seven episodes in. Brian, have you checked it out? I am one episode behind you. Well, apparently it's a much more popular show than I thought. because I'm really having to almost kind of stay off Facebook right now. Oh, wow.

Yeah, there's a lot of slow-ish shit going on. Yeah, it's catching steam. Yeah, but I mean, it's cool, man. There's a lot of twists and turns, and the best part about it for me is the fact that you don't really know exactly what's really going on because everybody kind of has their own little game going on. Right. And it freaked me out because I got to thinking, I mean, call me crazy.

But I sort of got this weird vibe and, one of them where they were like programming the, uh, the, the, uh, the androids, because that's not spoiling anything. Everybody knows that,

that's what it's about. And like every night, they would go to sleep and then the programmers would come in in suits and reprogram them and they'd wake up the next day and they'd be like thinking that they were living just one day in their entire life that was programmed in. I'm thinking, how the fuck do we know that's not happening to us? Dark world.

Oh, yeah. It is, it is a flashback to dark. Yeah. dark world, isn't it? The key for Sutherland maybe, right? Yeah, that was a cool one. Oh, yeah. Did you think about that at all, Brian? No. Oh, Dark City. Dark City. That's... Dark City.

Oh, okay. All right, cool. Well, so it's sound like we've all had a pretty big week, and we're just really excited to get onto our main features this time, huh? Actually, I kind of am, though. Yeah, I can't wait. I think before we do all that, though, boys, we need to take our trip down to the trailer part. down to the trailer park. Sorry, go ahead.

Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week, man? Okay, the first one we are going to go with here is Eloise. Elieze. Starring Elijah Dushku, Robert Patrick, Chase Crawford, Nicole Foster, Forrester, sorry, Brandon T. Jackson, directed by Robert Legato. Okay. Which, uh, uh,

do you recognize him, Lance? Uh, which one? Robert, the director, uh, Robert Legato.

That name doesn't ring a bell. I did recognize Robert Patrick in the trailer. Yeah, uh, the director has done work with Star Trek Deep Space Nine and next generation. Yes. You're kidding me.

And he's done visual effects for Titanic, Apollo 13, Hugo, and recently the jungle book. Oh, wow. That was a cool one. I really like the jungle book. Yeah, this guy's got some cred, man.

Is this his first film to actually direct? I believe so. I didn't see. I just saw a lot of work with production and visual effects and stuff like that. Oh, man, I got to, okay, now I'm going to have to rewatch this trailer because I'm looking through some of the names in here. I just kind of rushed through it. It definitely looked like it had visual effects going. Did it?

I thought it kind of looked cool, man. it was like a you take a like a religious exorcism type movie and then mash it with an insane asylum and how can you go wrong that's kind of what I got with that those are probably my two favorite genres of war

yeah it looked all right I don't know it seemed like this was another typical like haunting inside of abandoned hospital type deal right Yeah, it can definitely go wrong when you take it down a classic path like that. But, you know, it kind of depends. We'll see what it looks like.

It had some pretty cool visuals in the preview I thought. Yeah, reading more about the director is probably what's going to get me to watch this movie. Yeah, okay. And, you know, Robert Patrick, you know, he's pretty cool. Right. And a lot of, you know, even lower budget movies is in. You know, he's always pretty good. And what's her name of Elijah Dusku?

Yep. Yeah, she's pretty hot typically. I didn't really recognize her. I love that chick and everything that she does. Yeah. Jane Silent Bob Strikeback. Holla. Right.

Yeah, she's been hot, man. Was she in that show Dollhouse or I think of somebody else? Yeah, I believe she was. All right, that's right. That was the J.J. Abrams show, right? Yeah. Very short, less than, like, what, half a season or a season and a half or something? I believe so. All right.

Couldn't find a release date. It is supposed to, I think it's coming out sometime this month. Well, I'm looking at IMDB, and it says February 3rd. Oh, it's February 3rd now? Yeah, it says in theater, so it'll be a major release. Okay. Yeah, I'll give the director a shot, especially if he's worked on Star Trek. I just didn't recognize the name.

That's what, but I guess if he was in the, like, the, the, visual effects department. Yeah. It might not be a name that would stick out, you know? Right. Okay. All right. Our next trailer we are going to talk about is Escape from Cannibal Farm.

Oh, man. Can we not? I actually am looking forward to this one. I'll totally watch it. Oh, wait a minute. I'll totally watch it. I remember this now. Wasn't this subtitle, the Australian Chainsaw Massacre? Yeah, pretty much.

Yes. Because it's straight. up looked like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Like they just made a remake of the old one. I mean, which, you know, hey, no problem here. I'll go watch it. I don't think I saw the latest remake. Right.

But, uh, I mean, it's a classic movie. If you're going to remake one, that's it. Although this is definitely a remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It's just in Australia. Yeah, I've seen the, the latest one. And honestly, I can't even tell you one thing that happened in it. Yeah. haven't seen that one.

Yeah. Uh-oh, you there? We lost... Yeah, it's not memorable at all. All right. Can you hear me? We thought we lost your man. Okay.

You said it's not memorable at all. Go back with that. Yeah. Maybe Skype was telling us, stop talking about the shitty remake. But, uh... Whatever. Yeah.

They're fun to watch. But, uh, yeah, I mean, you don't remember anything afterwards. But they're, but they're fun to watch. for a night, you know, if you want to watch a good slasher film. Yeah, this one looks gory, you know, it looks like it could be some fun. Yeah. I'm about to say this, this one looked like it might be a fun Saturday night. Yeah.

You know, light up the pipe or, you know, crack open the can or whatever it is you do. Yeah. And check it out. And watch people get murdered. Yeah, this one's due sometime in 2017. All right. Okay. Okay.

Okay, our next trailer we are going to go with is the Belko Experiment, starring Michael Rooker, John C. McGinley, Tony Goldwyn, Sean Gunn, McKella Hoover, and others. This is directed by Greg McLean, who's done a lot of stuff with the Wolf Creek movies, also the Wolf Creek series. Okay. And one of my worst movies of the year, spoiler, The Darkness. He is the director of the darkness.

That's right. Yeah, so he's, oh, man, we're keeping our Australian thing going strong here, aren't we? You're giving your freaking contest away, by the way, dude. Oh, he said one of his least favorite. Don't worry. There's competition on the way. I got the contest set up. Don't worry.

And this movie is written by James Gunn. Oh, no shit? Yes. Oh, wow. Holy crap. See, that's what it pulled me back. When I found out who the director was and what he did, I was kind of like, I don't know. But then when I found out it was written by James Gunn, that pulled me back in.

Oh, wow. Okay. That's kind of awesome. We're all in on this one. I'm not a big director guy, but I'm looking at it. It says, you know, Guardians of the Galaxy, did one of the first big Scooby-Doo movies and stuff. he's done some good stuff Slither

You guys ever check out Slither Don of the Dead Yeah I've checked out Slyther Yeah Super you guys ever seen Super With Rayne Wilson I fucking love Super I don't think I watched that one

It's kind of like kick ass But with a grown up Like I know I've run across it I don't think I've ever actually watched it Yeah it's a lot of man I recommend it totally I didn't check it out But

Yeah I mean Looks kind of of cool. Yeah, I like premise of, yeah, they shut the building down and they tell the employees, everybody has to kill at least three other employees

or we'll start killing you. It's like the saw in the tower. Got a little bit of suicide squad in there with the implants in their, in their heads. That's right. That's right. Oh yeah, by the way, if you ever have to take a job where they

want to put an implant in the back of your head, you should probably not take that job. Yeah, I'm so dying to see why they thought it was okay to get an implant when they got a job. They better be getting paid bank. Oh, man, this might be kind of like Black Mirror, like in the quote unquote, not too distant future. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is Trump's America. Oh, we don't talk politics on the horror returns.

It is possible, though, that that's the setup, dude. Maybe it's as simple as that, Brian, where they're just saying, you know, hey, the only way you can get. get a job these days. Jobs are so scarce. They're all overseas, which would actually be anti-Trump, right? Because he just saved Carrier, remember? Yeah.

There you go. We'll see how that goes. But yeah, I mean, that's the only setup I can imagine that would make any sense to get the implant. Yeah, it's definitely kind of a black mirror feel to it, actually, now that you're saying it. So that totally makes sense. I've got to finish watching that shit, man.

Like, I've been hitching to watch it. Oh, yeah. You'll enjoy it. Yeah, plus this movie has Michael Rooker and John C. McGinley. Can't go wrong with either one of those. That's your stand against evil guy, right? Yep, I'm almost done with that. I will have a review of that show next week. Awesome. Looking forward to it. All right, so we're all going to check out Belko, right? Yes, this movie comes out March 17th.

Oh, okay. Cool. Okay, on to the two biggest trailers that dropped, which... One of them was almost... A little heads-up. Do what? Yeah, a heads up. One of them was almost my cool of the week. Yeah, heads up for like the next two weeks.

They're going to just be dropping big trailers for the next two weeks. Right. Yeah. So the first one we're going to talk about dropped Saturday, which was Guardians of the Galaxy, the official trailer. Yeah. That would awesome. Don't really need to go through the cast or the director.

You know, they're bringing everybody back. this might be up there with i'm already going to say it this might be in my top top movies of the year definitely next year oh dude you can't call you can't call that out that's like babe ruth calling a home run yeah or the balls even fidged but that was a kick-ass preview and i'm calling i'm calling it right now this might be top three when they did the teaser trailer originally i like wasn't impressed at all. I was like, man, I hope this is good because that trailer was like

not all that. And then like when they dropped this one, this shit was funny. Man, it had all the classic moments that the original did and more. It might be better. I agree with you. This might be better than the first one.

And everybody everybody, everybody get ready to see baby group dolls everywhere. next year or even before next year they might start dropping them early i'm fixing to go buy one and put him in my little pocket and walk around with yeah my my wife my wife had that she actually wanted to watch the trailer a few times because she just wanted to see more a baby group yeah i i woke up i'm going to share a little too much with you guys all right so i woke up the other morning uh went news bathroom was watching the trailer

from Facebook on my phone. And as soon as I saw it, I was dying laughing. I had to run back and show the whole family because they're all laying in bed, kids and all. And showed everybody

and they thought it was hilarious. And we watched Guardians of the Galaxy the other day. Yeah, that movie's constant repeat at my house. but yeah they're gonna be

introducing a lot of new characters in this movie I was a little disappointed but at the same time I I was a little relieved that I don't it's kind of weird because I kind of wanted to see Kurt Russell in the trailer well yeah but they gotta leave that

for the real in the movie I didn't expect it to be in the trailer but um they may stick him in there towards the end I don't know yeah this movie's coming out May 5th so we're probably get a second trailer by then.

I'm sure you'll get three or four more by then. All right, well, we're definitely going to be there, right guys? Yeah, definitely. No doubt. She was funny. All right, what's our final one, Brian? Our final trailer is The Mummy, starring Tom Cruise, Sophia Betella, Annabelle Wallace, Jake Johnson, Courtney B. Vance, and Russell Crow.

All right. Well, you guys talk this one out because I thought I was watching it, but it was like a fan fiction trailer Tom Cruise you were opposed over fucking no they showed Tom Cruise

at the beginning asshole you were watching the oh yeah they did didn't they I thought they did I might have been who knows man

I can't remember what I saw this one when I was watching yeah I'm I'm very intrigued this just looks like they took the mommy movie and just

made it an action adventure movie and I'm I'm all for it. It's not like a straight remake, and I mean, they got Tom Cruise to do it. Right. And the mummy, I guess, is a female in this one.

Yes, it's Sophia Bacela. You got to see the Kingsman, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah, the girl with the legs, the blades for legs. That's right. The one that was said Star Trek into darkness. Yeah, she's the mummy. Okay.

She looks really cool. Like, really super creepy, yeah. Yeah, I like the effects with the eyes. That was pretty creepy there. So, I mean, I'm not sure what to think from the preview, because it was more of it like a teaser trailer. They didn't really show you a whole lot. But I'm interested.

I'll definitely, it caught my attention. I'm very interested in this whole shared universal monster universe. I got a quick little few notes on what they're doing. Okay, hey, that's actually cool because I know that Philip normally handles listener feedback. Brian, I noticed you were interacting with a lot of our listeners on the Facebook page about this shared universe thing. Yeah, I believe Josh Youngblood was asking about it. Okay. The Dracula Untold movie is not included in this universe.

They officially said that it has nothing to do with this. That's probably a good thing. so far casting Russell Crow is Dr. Jekyll. Okay. Didn't you say you in this movie? Yeah, he, he, um, you can actually hear him narrating the- He plays Dr. Jackal in this movie.

Yeah. Oh, fuck. Now, wait a minute, guys. I see a train wreck coming here. Are you, are you telling me the truth? That they've got fucking Russell Crow narrating the, the movie about a mummy. And yet he's going to pop up his. Dr.

Jack Cole? What the fuck is he doing narrating the movie? I don't think he's narrating. I think he's, they put it over what's going on in the trail.

I think it's a, he's explaining what's, what's happening, you know, because people don't know about these monsters and stuff.

One of his speeches in the movie and then they superimpose it over the cool stuff. Okay, all right, I can buy that. I can buy that. Let's see.

Javier Bardem. Javier Bardem is going to be Frankenstein's monster. Oh, no. That's the dude that looks like Negan. He's totally a Frankenstein-looking guy. Yeah, that guy just gives me the creeps, period. He's a creepy dude. Johnny Depp is going to be the invisible man. And the less we see of them, the better. Okay, and we're going to get into some rumor casting.

Right. This one, I don't think, is going to happen. They're trying to get the rock to play the Wolfman. Uh, well... But then, another thing I read, they wanted somebody the size of the rock to play the wolfman, so I don't know how accurate this rumor is. Brock Leznor. Yeah, the rock, the rock, the rock, let me put it to you this way.

The rock would be the bright spot of all these fucking casting rumors. The rock can do no wrong. They put it to you that, exactly. Um, they will be having a Van Helsing movie that has nothing to do, has nothing to do... Female thing, right? Yeah, it has nothing to do with the Hugh Jackman movie. Right. They are in talks with Scarlett Johansson to star in the creature of the Black Lagoon movie.

Oh, okay. They are also in talks with Angelina Jolie. They're also in talks with Angelina Jolie to be in the Bride of Frankenstein. Yeah, I heard that one. Okay, I can see that. And those last few things, those are all rumors right now. Wow. I mean, where did they come up with all this money to hire these people, though?

It's what I want to know. That's why they're rumors. Yeah. True. This is like a dreamcast almost. It's almost like somebody just stayed up late at night. This is some full on Reddit that was like, yeah, exactly. This person is that.

There's some fool on Reddit that put all this stuff down. And then everybody's like, oh, that would be awesome. So we're going to put that in writing. Yeah. So far, the only ones confirmed is Russell Crow, Javier Bardem, and Johnny Depp. Well, that's three big ones right there. Yeah, for sure. Tom Cruise is an effing big name.

Tom Cruise, oh, he's probably the biggest of all of them. That surprised the shit out of me. When Tom Cruise's Facebook, popped up on the mummy, I was like, what the hell? Yeah, and I think Tom Cruise will be kind of like the Tony Stark of this universe, like pop up here, there, in different moves. You know, you know what, it's, all kidding aside, guys, it's fun to make fun of this shit because of all these big names

and how classic and how important the classic universal monsters were to us growing up. Yeah. But all kidding aside, if they can pull this off, this will be a goddamn good series of movies. They're going to try to do like a superhero type thing with it. I mean, because that's what's hot right now, you know. And it might work. Yeah, I hope I'm proven wrong.

I think it's, like I said, I think it's a train wreck waiting to happen because their expectations are so high. And the salaries of these actors has to be so high. If the first two or three movies flop, they're fucked. They're not going to flop. the DC movie or the DC universe right now is kind of a train wreck but they keep going. But they still make the money. Yeah, you're right. Suicide Squad was number one for like three or four weeks in a row. Right. All right. Okay. I'm going to reserve judgment then.

You put big names, big explosions, big action. Right. People are going to go watch it. Yep. I totally did it. I'm, I hope this really works. You know, this is, this is really ambitious casting right here. I would fucking love it if these were going. good movies. Yeah, I'm hoping. Don't get me wrong. It's just that I'm questionable about it.

Yeah. And the thing I'm hoping for is with these high caliber, you know, big-time actors they're getting, I'm just hoping that they're signing on to do these movies, thinking these movies ain't going to end up being shit. Right. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

And we should look forward to the mummy June 9th. That's still a little ways away. So they're hyping it early. Oh, yeah. They're putting their eggs in this basket, right? Right. They're shoveling coal furiously in that hype machine. Yeah, like I said, this is their Iron Man right here.

This is going to kick everything off. That means that now it's time for horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. I thought we were already on horror headlines. Fuck it. We did have a lot of trailers this week, didn't we? Yeah. They were cool trailers.

All right, that's cool. What's in the news this week, Brian? Okay, real quick, we have to do another RIP to Don Calpha and Alice Drummond. Most people in the horror drama will probably know Don Calpha from Return of the Living Dead. Okay. He was the guy that ran the morgue that they brought the body parts to to burn up. Oh, shit. Dude, I don't remember that, but I vaguely remember it, but it sounds like a damn funny role.

Yeah, and Alice Drummond, a lot of people remember her. She was a librarian in the original Ghostbuster movie in the beginning. Is she the one that gave head to Dan Aykroyd, or was that somebody else? That was somebody else. So, uh... Just gave him head, remember? Most people, when they watched that movie the first time, they, they were so young, they had no fucking idea what was going on. I think it's been a while since I've seen it, man.

So, uh, yeah, RIP to them. right and just a recap of a news item that we talked about a I believe a week or two ago about the inhumans movie that is now going to be a TV show TV show and yeah we couldn't we couldn't figure out why I was going to be an IMAX right IMAX is uh partners in this they are financing this show well there you have it follow the money as they say huh yep just want to get a quick recap because we could not figure out why everything was being shot with iMacs cameras okay that's cool man okay first news item avatar two finally has a release date december 21st 2018 that's still a long way away yeah

it's still a long way away man i i think they waited too long man i'm not so many the magic is gone i'm not really interested. Yeah, I was just, that was going to be my question. Do you think since it's been so long, do you think the interest has gone away? All right. Okay. I'm going to say

something here. I would say maybe, but I did just read a headline last week that the Walt Disney World in their Animal Kingdom, that Avatar's Pandora Land is opening summer of 2017. Or no, summer 2018.

Coincidence? They know what they're doing. I think not. And I've also read James Cameron has, again, invented some kind of new cameras for this movie. Because there's going to be a lot of underwater scenes. Oh, wow. So we might be getting something special again with the second one. And it's going to be followed by a third and fourth one because they're filming these consecutively. Really?

Excellent. That's what they need to do. Put their eggs in that basket, too, huh? Is Zoe Seldana going to be in this one? Yes, she is. All right. I mean. And somehow Seagorny Weaver's returning for this one, which I don't know how.

I thought she had died in the first one. Right. Maybe she'll be a hologram or something. Yeah. Okay. Next one. Everything I read about the whole Fox X-Men thing, they are totally, from what I'm reading, they are revamping everything.

And they're going to come with a X-Men movie called New Mutants. Oh, that's finally happening, huh? Yeah, and they're releasing details of the movie. This is going to be a villain named Demon Bear. Okay. And I did a quick research on, because I'm not familiar with him. He's a mutant that feeds off negative human emotion and also has supernatural strength, senses, teleportation, transformation, and can

corrupt your soul. Oh, wow. Rumored characters to be in this movie is Magic, Wolfsbane, Cannonball, and Lockheed. And it is being described as a Stephen King meets John Hughes horror movie is what they're describing this movie to be. What? All right, so if Lockheed is in it, does that mean Kitty Pride is going to be in it as well? Yeah, but from what I'm hearing, they're totally recasting everybody. Ah, okay.

They might just things are... That's what I want to know. Well, you know, they might go with a younger Wolverine or they might go with this X, what is the X-23 character, the female Wolverine? Well, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. And that would be a way to do it, but I think cutting that, cutting him out is a bad idea. Yeah, well, this is not even going to start filming until next year.

Okay. You know, he's got the Logan movie, which is his last movie. Yeah. So just everything I'm reading, they're revamping everything. Okay. And basically, they're going to put all their money into this new mutants and Deadpool. That probably makes sense, at least the Deadpool part. Well, yeah, definitely.

So that's weird, dude. So I recognize a lot of the names of the new mutants because I read the comic books in the 80s and 90s. But are they really going to freeze out? the X-Men? Are they going to have new people play the parts? Like Philip was alluding to, are they going to have a new person play Wolverine and show up or what? Just a little, I haven't heard nothing confirmed. I heard they're going to, even with the people they cast it for X-Men Apocalypse, I heard there, there's possibility that they're recasting everybody.

Oh, shit. You've got to have some of the classics in there, and they've already. I mean, they're going to have more X-Men movies, but we might see recastings. casted everybody. Definitely. I think that'd be a smart move. So they're kind of starting over with new mutants, which is kind of going backwards,

because they were young when the X-Men were old. Yeah. So instead of handing off the torch, they're going to ah, okay, again, kind of like with the universal thing, I'm in a reserve judgment. Yeah. I'm not real happy about what I'm hearing here, Brian.

You're not making me a super happy camper tonight. It's a movie. It doesn't, it doesn't have to go straight along with the comic book. Yeah, but yeah, it does. Motherfucker? It kind of does. It's a movie universe. If it's the new mutants, let's make them the new mutants. They were a spin-off from the X-Men. Yeah.

I don't know. Okay. I got a little too passionate about it. Okay. Sorry about that news item. Let's move on to the next one. Alien Covenant gets a release date of May 19th, 2017, and they just released a poster. I think the poster looks cool as shit.

I thought they fucking canceled this, man. movie. No, this movie's almost done filming. What? Yes. This is the one with a Sigourney Weaver in it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is the Neo Blom Camp movie that he

was trying to make. Oh, I'm way off. This is the sequel to Prometheus. Oh, right. Okay. Cool. The poster looks cool. It's got a xenomorph on it. All right. All it says above it is run. See, that's cool.

And, you know, after I watched Prometheus, you know, every article I read said that it was not a prequel to alien. It was just in the same universe. I read a lot of that too. What the fuck ever is alien to a T? Well. Yeah. I guess Ridley Scott has the respect of enough people that he can change his mind, right? I guess so.

Yeah. I mean, I'm looking forward to it. You know, I'm always. been a fan of those movies, the alien movies. Especially, you know, this might be a little controversial, but I always like the second one, the James Cameron one. Yeah, I did too. Aliens, hell yeah.

I like that one way better than the first one. I never got the first one, but I was so young when it came out that, like, it was, it was kind of boring to me because it was so slow. Yeah, I agree. When I was younger, I didn't really was into that one. When I got older, I could appreciate it more because it's, it's kind of like a slasher movie. Yeah.

But the second one was always my favorite. Because what was his name? Bill Paxton? Yeah, Bill Paxton. He's hilarious in it. Well, there was so much stuff that happened. It was more of like an action-packed kind of movie, you know? I mean, well, you had James Cameron doing it.

Oh, right. Yeah, James Cameron. It was a James Cameron movie. That's what it was. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm interested to see May 19. is kind of, it's going to be pretty big.

I don't know how it's going to, because I checked out the release schedule, Annabelle 2, I think, comes out the same day. It won't be hard for me to choose which one I'm going to watch. And the rocks R-rated, what is it, what is that beat show that was

back in the day with, oh, Baywatch? Yeah. Oh, that's a straight-up comedy. Of course I'll see that, but not for the horror return. R-rated Baywatch? Yeah. So when they're running on the beach, whether their titty's going to flop out or what?

Well, we'll see. Yes, we will. I hope they don't go like Wayans Brothers with it. And I was talking to someone online about this might be bad for Annabelle because if it comes out the same day, people are more familiar with the alien franchise. Yeah, for sure.

So I think Annabel might, I think if they're smart, they'll change dates. Yeah, they definitely should because their teaser trailer looks awesome. Okay, moving on to our next. Have you guys heard, Anne Rice has regained the rights of the Vampire Chronicles? Yeah, she's already got a new book coming out. Has some to do with Atlantis or something, right? She is trying to know more movies. She's trying to develop this into a TV show.

What? That is faithful to the books and of the highest quality. And I would watch that in a heartbeat. Probably smart. I love the original movie. Tom Cruise, I thought he was going to fucking suck in it. I thought everyone in that movie was going to be horrible. I thought the first movie was great.

The second and beyond sucked. Yeah, she said. Keep it real to the books. I would watch every fucking episode. Yeah, she said in the way she wants it to go, the show is going to start with the second book, which is called The Vampire Lestat. Okay. And the show is going to go through the entire 14 book series.

Okay, well, then what about it? Interview of the Vampire. Is she going to cut that out? I don't know. This is just a couple of things I picked up while reading. And she also talked about fantasy casting. Right. Who she would get if she could.

Sounds like they got sitting out of the Universal meeting. Yeah, let's see. She said she would like to get Jared Leto to play LaStat. No! I can see that. No. No, LaStat. When I visualized LaStat in the books, I thought of Robert Plant.

I can't visualize Leto. Then again, he was okay as the Joker. He was actually my favorite part of Suicide Squad. Most people fucking hated him in that. but I actually thought he was the best part of the movie. I didn't think of the Joker. I love Jared Leto. Yeah, I'm actually going to check out the uncut version

that they're supposed to be putting back the scene, all the scenes that they... I heard about that. Yeah, he actually might not even be the Joker no more. What? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely talking it over

because I guess what was sold to him is not what they put out, basically. and he put a lot of work into the character because he's a method actor so when he goes into character he stays in character and for them to cut out basically from what I heard

like over half his scenes but yeah there's more fantasy casting for this Matt Bowmer she wants as Louis is that the guy from American Horror Story Hotel yeah he's fucking horror

Fuck that douchebag. Well, he's in blue collar. They kept talking about him to be in, uh... God damn. What was the, the, the 50 Shades of Gray movie. It was one of the fantasy... I thought Jacks was supposed to be 50 Shadesger. He was originally, but he was one of the fantasy casting things.

Jesus Christ. He was actually... Can we learn of the next story? You're already fucking pissing all over in my faith, some of my favorite books. Jackson... And this is Ann Rice's choices? Yeah. Jesus.

Well, her... See, this is the one thing that's got. me worried about this. She's going to, she and her son are going to be executive producers on this. And from what I read, either one of them have

no experience in this. Oh, God. Oh, I'm a lot of guy right there. I tell you that, right now. Please, Anne Rice, if you're listening to our podcast, and I'm sure you are. Absolutely. Why not?

Please. Team up with a JJ Abrams or somebody who knows how to cast. Holy fuck. Fun fact. You got more... We had a cat when I was a kid

named Lestat. Right? No shit. Lestat. Yeah. Lestat the cat. Yep. I mean...

All kidding. Inside, some of my favorite books of all time. But from what you're telling me of what she wants to cast so far, Brian, you're scaring the hell out of me. Hey, she's scaring

the hell out of everybody. But hopefully... That's what she's paid to do. Yeah. hopefully she lets some people that have experience in doing this, you know, not fully take over, but. God damn it, Jerry Jones. But, yeah, hopefully this works out. You know, it sounds like a cool idea, especially if they stay faithful to the books.

Yeah. And, okay. I will reserve judgment. A lot of reserving of judgment on all these news items. Okay, final news item, we've been reporting on all the T&T shows from Let the Right One In, Tales from the Crip, Snow Piercer. They're adding another TV show. Okay. And it's called The Alienist.

And this is going to star Daniel Broll and Luke Evans. Oh, is it based on the novel? I believe so. Yeah, like a turn of the century. I've heard about this, man. Have you read the novel? No, but I've heard a lot of good stuff about it, man. I've heard it's one I should see.

Yeah, it's... Or I should read. Yeah, I didn't get a chance... I guess it was the show I should see. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to really, like, get some notes on the novel, but it's going to be a psychological thriller, and it's going to be executive produced by Kerry Fukenaga, who did the True Detective

Season 1, I believe. Right. Cool. Okay. So it looks like TNT, they're putting, they're going to have a lot of good shows coming out. Yeah, they're probably trying to compete with FX and AMC and no shit. Yeah.

HBO. The big guys. Yeah, they got a lot of, a lot to compete with, huh? And they, these are some pretty big names that's going to be on here. You guys know Luke Evans. Right.

He was, unfortunately, he was Dracula. but he was also in the Hobbit and the Fast and Furious movies. He's been in some movies. He's been around forever, man. He's a British actor, right? Yeah. And Daniel Broll, he was Zimo in the Captain America's Civil War movie. He was the main villain.

Okay. Oh, okay. So they got some pretty big names on here. All right. Well, so it looks like next year, it's good, T and, T's probably going to be the place to see some good television, hopefully. Yeah, it sounds that way. I'm in a reserve judgment, but it sounds pretty good.

And that was our last news item. All right, cool. So that means it's Phillips time now in the sun. Oh, the spotlight shines upon me. All right, guys. This week we have a new review on Podbean. It says... Actually, that one's on iTunes.

On iTunes. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's from N-O-B-Strysand here. Okay. Whoever left this, you're about to win a T-shirt, so you need to email us at the Hora Returns at gmail.com. Let us know who you are. A horror returns, T-shirt, etc.

But yeah, definitely email us. We'll get you a free t-shirt because you're all. awesome. It says if you are a new fan or an old fan of the horror genre, this is the podcast for you. The guys mix it up really well and talk about a wide range of topics. Keep the show coming. Awesome. Thank you so much. Yep. Love the positive stuff coming. Let us know if we're doing right, doing wrong. We will make changes as necessary. Yeah, definitely t-shirt worthy on that one. Yeah, absolutely. And thanks. Thanks. To everyone who reaches out to us, we love the feedback.

As always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page, or you can email us at thehorror returns at gmail.com. We love to hear from you, and send us another review. You may win a T-shirt. They're pretty awesome. I love mine. Speaking of concerts and... Speaking of contest,

let's get this show back on track. Brian, what's going on, man? Okay. finally figured out a contest. We got a contest. Yeah. I've been thinking about it. Okay.

They will win. Retire's T-shirt. They won't. Well, maybe. They will actually win a figure of Freddie Kruger from the movie Nightmare on Elm Street 3. Oh, nice. It is from NECA. It is a very nice figure.

And I really had to think about this. Philip, you and me, we probably give a, a lot of high ratings on movies since we've been doing the show. And Lance, you have not given a lot of high ratings. That's a good point. I've given some surprisingly high ratings.

I might give one tonight. So, the contest will be who can ever tell us Lance's number one movie of the year will win the figure. The year. Not all time.

Yeah. All right. Well, we ain't done yet. I've still got a lot of movies I've planned to go to watch again, too. Yeah. And it may or may not, a caveat, it may or may not be a reviewed film. I want to be a prize guy. I'd be like,

And I've been thinking about this. Our top five, we should do top five best, top five worst. Okay. I'm in. And each will, each of them will have three. what is it honorable mentions okay

and whoever can guess your number one best movie of the year will win the Freddie Kruger figure or get closest to the list yeah pretty you know pretty close we'll figure it out but this we'll have until the end of the month

to do this all right man I like it I like it I'm I ain't yet though warning Everybody who's listened to all the podcasts, keep listening. Yeah. I'm definitely not done yet. Yeah, because this could be a movie that Lance reviewed.

This could be a movie that Lance said was in his cool of the week. You know, you might have to go back and listen or if you were listening. It might not be something he mentioned. Yeah. I'll mention it. If it's my, that's one guarantee. If it's going to be my top movie of the year, it will be mentioned in one way, form or fashion between now and the time we do the show. And I believe we will be recording that show at the end of the month, so everybody basically has the entire month to figure that one out.

And I will be making posting on all our social media. All right, cool. So that means now it's time to discuss this week's featured attractions. This week, we shout at the devil with the new Aaron Eckhart possession movie incarnate. And then we go back to the 1973 classic that shocked the nation. The Exorcist. So we'll start with the older classic film, and as always, we discuss some trivia

before we go into our talk about the movie. The director of The Exorcist was William Friedkin, known also for the French Connection, Killer Joe, and Bug. Writer William Peter Bladdy, who also wrote the novel. Some of the trivia to discuss tonight due to death threats against Linda Blair

from religious zealots, who believed the film, quote-unquote, glorified Satan, Warner Brothers had bodyguards protecting her for six months after the film's release. The original teaser trailer, which consisted of nothing but images of the white-faced demon, quickly flashing in and out of darkness, was banned in many theaters as it was deemed too frightening. William Peter Blatty's novel is based on a real-life, 1949 exorcism of a young boy, known by the pseudonym Roland Doe. This story became national news and caught the interest of Bladdy,

who was a student at Georgetown University at the time. Hence, the fact that he was at Georgetown University was why they changed the scene of where the movie took place, the location. The horror genre has never gotten much love from the Academy. We all know that. Painfully, right, guys? Yeah. Them and comedy.

The Babadook. for example, I think there definitely should have been a best actress nomination for that one. Though there still seems to be a bias against scary movies during awards season, the Exorcist managed to earn 10 Oscar

nominations in 1974, including a best supporting actress for Linda Blair, who was just 15 years old at the time. So there's a lot of history. As you guys know, and we talked about the death threats to Linda Blair and the way some religious zealots

interpreted this movie, but obviously, you know, very controversial from the beginning. I remember watching or I remember seeing the movie poster in the theater when I was a really young kid. Shoot, 73, I guess I was five years old. And I don't know,

my parents probably took me to some Disney movie or something like that. And I saw the poster for it, and I just felt terror. just to look at it. I'm like, Mom, what is that movie about? Because in the back of my mind, I kind of knew, but I didn't want to admit that I knew. You know what I'm saying?

I don't blame you. Because I was such a young kid, but I think we've all had, you know, a lot of history with this movie. I doubt this was any of our first viewings, just taking a while guess. No, I wasn't. But, I mean, you know, far in a way, one of the most controversial,

one of the most disturbing, one of the most, one of those movies that throughout the history of film is considered by many to be one of the best ever and by others to be one of the most dangerous films ever. The scariest movie, hands down, of all time for me. You go first, my friend. Yeah, this is, this was, this was always my favorite. This was, I went through a phase where I wanted to watch all the classic horror movies.

and I saw them all back to back to back to back and the Exorcist is the one that always stands out for me. It's like he was saying that the poster is scary and it is. Everything about this movie is scary. They build tension. They freak you out. There's images that are super disturbing. It's, I mean, imagine it coming out in 73. That's insane.

They re-released it in, what, like 2000, right? Something like that? And I went to see it in the theaters when they re-released it, and they had that scene of her, like, crawling backwards down the stairs. I think that was in the newer version and maybe not in the older. Oh, yeah, the spider walk. Yeah, the spider walk. And I jumped out of my seat in the theater.

That has never, ever happened to me. This movie is probably my top horror movie of all time. That's all I have to say about that. Yeah, I totally agree with you. This is up there. This is definitely a classic. Hearing about the facts about the movie, it's kind of strange that she, Linda Blair won for supporting actress. Right. She kind of always felt like she was the main actress. Yeah. Yeah.

And she was amazing in this movie. And, you know, there's so many iconic images from the movie, from the head spinning to the... So many. The pea soup. Yeah. To the, a couple of scenes, I had to make sure my,

my youngest daughter was not around when I was watching this movie. Yeah, no. Especially the, the crucifix scene. Yes. And then she grabs her mom's head and says, lick me,

lick me. Yeah. I was, I had to, I had to pause it and make sure, okay, she's not around, she's not around.

Good. My little one wanted to watch this with me. She's like three. And I, you know, I know she wouldn't have, really caught anything, but yeah, like she, she, she came in and started watching it. I was like, no, no, no, no. You got to go back in there. Yeah, this, like, you know, there's not more than what you said that could be said. You know, this movie is a classic, and it pisses me off after watching these sequels, how they just completely just went away from what they did in the first one.

Yeah, that's probably one that they should have left alone. I will, I will, when the show's over, yeah, when the shows, when the shows, when the TV show's over, I'll have a few review, a full review, I'm sorry, because they're not done yet. The TV show is way better than any sequel they ever put out. Yeah. The show is. You'd be perfectly happy if they just went from this film to the TV show and that's it. Well, how, I want to get into a little bit of spoilers. No, I think we already, I think we already know it.

At the end, we find out who really the mother is in the whole series. Most people know that by now. And if they don't, I mean, it's been done fucking three. Okay. So I'm going to go ahead and spoil it. Gina Davis, her character, she is Reagan O'Neill. She is the girl from the first one. She, after the events of the Exorcist, she ran away from her mother because her mother tried to kind of capitalize on everything because of...

trying to make a bunch of sequels, huh? Well, basically. Just for money. Basically, her acting career had took a hit because of the scandal, of the exorcism and all the demon possession. So the mother released a book, a tell-all book, and basically Gina Davis's character, Reagan, ran away, basically changed her name, changed her life, kept it a secret until the reveal on the show. and to me that is way better than what any of the fucking sequels ever tried to do. Yeah. You know, I thought it was cool in the movie that, like, everything is there for a reason.

Like, at first I was like, well, why is she this, you know, super high paid actress or whatever? Like, how is that relatable to the normal person? I was like, well, because she has to be able to take her to all the doctors and spare no expense on a, all the doctors that money you can buy. Oh, that's a good point, man. I haven't thought about that. That's all part of the setup. They've got a reason for everything.

This is the perfect horror movie. Yeah, it really is. It really is. And what I like about this movie is that I've seen it probably at least a dozen times

in my lifetime. But what I really got out of it in this particular watching is not so much the horror movie aspect of it, but the relatability. Because you've basically got a girl and I actually, I cried

a couple times when I was watching this with watching what was going on. And I thought Ellen Burstyn did a great job as the mom. I think she was fucking phenomenal. And I mean, you guys are right. Linda Blair did, I mean, she did a perfect job. She acted out exactly what you would

expect a possessed girl of that age to be. But what scared me the most? What fucking chilled me to my bones when I was watching this is the way that it actually relates to what really happens as our children become these ages. Because as you have children that become teenagers, they become 11, 12, 13 years old, they become rebellious.

They start, you feel like they're not loving you as much. You feel like there is some outside force acting on them. And it's like, this was like a parable of what happens in real life. Oh, wow. And yet it was perfectly acted. And I really loved the actor who played Father. Carus? I mean, what else is this guy done? I read up on him a little bit. He died at like 57 years old of a heart attack. Oh, wow. Is that maybe a curse from the movie? Who knows? I mean,

this must have put a lot of stress on him. Think about it. Acting out in this, I mean, holy crap, he did a great job. This would have been a scary movie to act in. Oh, my God. You know what I mean? Hulture guy says nothing on this. The effects were so good on top of everything, and they were all like real effects. For the time they came out, especially, right? They were all practical. Well, they didn't even have CGI back then. Right. Which, thank God they didn't. No kidding.

But no, I mean, this is nothing short of a masterpiece. Absolutely, one of the best horror movies of all time. There's no doubt about it. And the acting, I think, really got it over the top. I would say that the fact that the guy who wrote the novel wrote the screenplay probably helped quite a bit. Yeah. Because he made sure that his baby got taken real good care of and didn't get fucked and changed up. and screwed around with and, you know, whatever.

And I'm very, very excited about it that this was kind of a major release from a major studio. Yeah. But something about the 1970s. If you guys will go back and watch a lot of the movies, and there's a documentary called A Decade Under the Influence, and it's all about films of the 70s and how they let the directors and the writers have their way. The studios just kind of sat back, and maybe it's because everybody, was doing drugs at the time. Everybody was chilled out. Everybody was just having fun. But the 70s was like a magical decade because they allowed filmmakers to make fucking films.

And they stepped back and they didn't do all this shit like they did in the 80s and forward. Where the fucking... The studio had everything. Yeah, you could visualize they're sitting in a meeting. And you've got the director and the writer. Well, we want to do this. This is our vision. Oh, yeah. And the studio comes in. Oh, no, you got to put this can of Coke in there.

They never would have had the fuck me scene. I'll tell you that. Oh, hell no. No, no, no way, man. That would have not have gone over. You got to do this product placement. You got to drink a Miller Light when you're in there. And you got to have a Coca-Cola. And you got to make sure that you say shop at Joe's, you know? That bullshit didn't happen in the 70s. And that, I think, is one of the reasons that this film was allowed to be what it was. Because it was a true vision of the writer and the director. They got all the actors that were in it fucking totally got into the movie.

Yeah. You could tell that they were totally engrossed in what they were doing. Holy fuck, Max Von Seedow, he's still alive. He's alive today. So he couldn't have been that old when this movie came out. He looked like he was 90 years old in this movie. He looked super old. I swear to God, I thought he was about to fucking die.

Yeah. When he was taking those hard bills and stuff. Oh, yeah, at the very beginning. I mean, this is a masterpiece. I don't know what else to say about this movie. Everything about it is scary, man. I was I was held me half paying attention to it because I've seen it a million times. And I still, no joke, got goosebumps in multiple scenes in this movie.

If you've never seen it, then you shouldn't be listening to the podcast, A. But go watch this movie right now. It's worth a rewatch. It's worth anything. Brian, what else do you have to say, man? Oh, you know, like, this is not much. more you can say about about this movie. It's a classic, and

just wanted to point out, like, some of the stunts in this movie was like, what was Father? Help me out, guys. I keep forgetting his name. You know, when he jumped through the window? Oh, at the very end. When he absorbed the demon and Oh, gosh, that was brutal.

That was brutal. When he jumped out of the window and fell down them stairs. Does that look real? Yeah. He actually did that himself. Practical effects, man. Practical. They're so awesome in this movie. I really wish they would bring it

back. I wish they would, too, because I'm so sick of CGI, everything. It's ridiculous. Hey, I'll tell you another thing that was really cool about this movie is you had characters and you had dialogue that wouldn't fly today. For example, you're

talking about the father at the end being thrown out of the window, or throwing himself out of the window. What did you think about when the, of course, they didn't show any of it, which made it even creepier, but the gay Jewish director that called the, uh, the, the, the, the German guy that helped her out a Nazi at the, at the cocktail party. Uh-huh. That kind of dialogue wouldn't go over too swell today, would it?

That's true, too, yeah. But, I mean, it, it almost like added a weird, surrealistic comedy element to the whole movie, you know? That, that, uh, cocktail party where he was playing the gay guy, or the, the priest that it was obviously gay or obviously loving little boys or whatever, right? He said like he did his best Liberace on the piano in there. Like, and now

for something completely different, you know, and he's in there playing and they're singing along like, ay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? That shit is so politically incorrect. Yeah, and this movie shows you what decade it was because there was a lot of

smoking of cigarettes and hospitals and stuff like that. Yeah, even the doctor, right? Yes. brain surgeon. It's always weird. Yeah, like when you go back and watch the old school movies and then they're like, yeah, smoking in a hospital. Right. Like of all the places that you shouldn't be smoking.

Yeah, you guys ready to get in ratings? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, let's do it, man. I guess I went first, huh? Yeah, you go first, my friend. You got the honors, man. This is, you can probably tell from talking about it, this is my perfect 10 horror movie right here. This is, it may just may be my favorite movie of all time.

This one is on the top of the list for me and hands down. I can't really say anything else about it. It's just awesome. That says everything right there, man. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and give it a nine. This movie is definitely. Extremely high.

Yeah. Definitely a classic. well-acted, well-directed, well-shot, practical effects. Like I said, there's so many iconic images. And I just, I'm astounded that she only won, Linda Blair only won for Best Supporting Actress. I think she should have won Best Actress. Well, I have to go see who was nominated that year, but I thought she was the main actress, the main focus of this movie. Yeah.

And, like I said, It's just a damn shame that these sequels, none of these sequels lived up to this movie. Yeah, it really is. And everybody needs to go watch the show right now. Go on any, whatever social media you have, hashtag renew The Exorcist. Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, everybody do that. It's looking like it might get a second season because a lot more people are tuning into the show as the weeks go on.

But they want people to go online and hashtag. that hashtag renew the exorcist. All right, well, if I ever finish it, I might do that. I need to go watch it. I can believe I haven't. Yeah, Brian, I really, man. I know, I just saw the first episode. I know exactly what you're talking about.

I'll do that, man, just to help you out. But truth to tell, I'll probably never finish the series because it was spoiled for me like three or four weeks ago. It's like I almost came to the party too late. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I understand. watched it at all, but I'll totally go check it out.

Yeah, social media, you guys need to stop spoiling TV shows. Not to cut you off of your rating, but I've had some moments in Westworld already spoiled for me, so. Oh, man, don't, please don't say anything. I will not.

Gotta watch them live. Right. All right, so you give it a nine then? Yes. Wow. This is, this is turning out to be a straw. a strong night, huh? Sound like we've all had a great week in watching...

Well, we've had a great week watching one movie. I told you it was gonna... There was gonna be some good reviews. All right. Well, as you guys well know, and listeners, as you well know, I've said it before. And it's on a prior podcast, but I will absolutely positively never give a film a 10, except for maybe a clockwork orange. and that was the exact quote

I'm going back on my quote guys it's a 10 this is my clockwork yeah it's a 10 I mean this is a this is a perfect this is a perfect horror film it's so scary in every way form and fashion

the directing the writing the acting the camera work the visuals the characterization the way that they were willing to they mixed comedy they mixed horror they really scared the fuck out of me they really got the pulse of what

it's like to have teenagers growing up and especially a daughter because guys, I don't know how many listeners out there have gone through having sons and daughters, but having a son is one thing because it's kind of like okay, you want them to be tough and you want them to grow

up and when they get to be 13, it's almost like a right of passage, you actually want them to start looking at women's tits and stuff like that. You really do. But daughters are totally different. And granddaughters are totally different. You want them to stay innocent forever. And that's what's

so heartbreaking about this movie. And Friedkin nailed it right on the head. I mean, this was just a fantastic movie. It's just a masterpiece in every sense of the word. And I'll absolutely give it a 10. It's not about horror. It's about puberty. So, we're on

a very high note, guys. Y'all think we can keep this high spirit up much longer? Yeah. If you think about going to watch this new movie, whatever the fuck it's called, go back and watch The Exorcist instead. All right, why don't you go get us a couple of beers and let me do the trivia

for Inconsolable. Done and done. You do your thing, man. All right. So our next film is called Incarcerated, which is what the filmmakers should be right now. What is it called, Brian? I don't even know the name of the goddamn movie

and I'm looking at it. I've got the truth to be right in front of me. What was it called? What was it called? You know what? that makes a lot of sense. I like that. All right. So trivia for incoherent. All right,

it's incarnate. What does that even mean, Brian? Do you know what the word incarnate even means? I possess, I'm assuming. They brought it up in a movie, but never really explained anything. But we'll get to that.

Yeah, well, I've heard the term before the devil incarnate, and I just always assume that meant the devil. forever. Yeah, go ahead and read the trivia. I'll look it out real quick. Yeah, I got to know what this even fucking means, dude, because I'm lost right now. I am literally lost after having seen this film. Director Brad Payton, also known for San Andreas, Journey to the Mysterious Island, and the upcoming film Rampage.

So what is one thing all three of these movies have that this movie was missing? The Rock. Do you think The Rock could have? improve this movie. It would have been a little bit more funner. Writer is Ronnie Christensen, who also wrote Dark Tide and Passengers.

Does anybody know what the fuck? Dark, I think Dark Tide had Hellie Berry in it. I don't know. Passengers is the new one. Passengers is the new one. No, I think this is old passengers. Are you sure? If he wrote the new one, we ain't going to go see that. And...

No, dude. This is an old fucking passengers, dude. It's got to be. All right. I'll look that out real quick. Yeah, please help us, dude. Real quick, incarnate literally means embodied

in flesh or taking on flesh. Okay. All right, that makes sense. That makes sense, but it's so not memorable that I, like, couldn't remember what the name of the movie was to, like, ask the ticket taker. Jesus Christ

Like Yeah I need for the 230 What the fuck is that name of it Oh there it is Incarnate There was some other movie We saw that had

Oh Oh no what was it God damn it Oh fuck You obviously can't remember That was the point Of the conversation I can't remember the other movie

There was another movie That had I in something Something about like Wasn't by the same filmmakers They did The Conjuring Or something like that Yeah

I don't know I can't think of it either I almost asked for that I bought the tickets. I think that was another one that had Lynn Shea in it, right, Brian? Yeah. Insidious.

Insidious. Cidious, incarnate. I almost said insidious. All right. Oh, real quick. Real quick, it's not the new passengers. Oh, it's not the new passengers. Well, what is it then, man?

That makes me feel that. It is a movie from 2008 that stars it looks like in. what is her name? Anne Hathaway? Aaron Hano. Yeah, Anne Hathaway, Patrick Wilson. Wow, that's a great cast.

Yeah. That's kind of an indie movie. Any idea what it's about? It hasn't ever really heard of it. A grief counselor working on a group of playing crash survivors finds herself at a root of a mystery when her clients begin to disappear.

Or maybe it just sucked. Okay, so, to you prepare for the role, Aaron Eckhart, disguised himself as a wheelchair-bound mentally ill Vietnam War veteran Lieutenant Dan He yelled at people at Venice B Lieutenant Dan

It's me Shrimp Shrap shappy Shrimp cocktails In one experience Eckhart sat by the front door of an expensive house when the homeowner arrived she was frightened by his presence

she went inside but came back out moments later to ask if Eckhart was doing okay she said weren't you two-faced in Batman why are you on my porch according to Eckhart he was very moved

by this experience because he saw the woman's effort to change and have sympathy I'm starting to like this movie more and more already guys, we may be in for a high rating here. It sucks because I kind of like this guy. Well, listen, would this have been a better movie?

Rosario Dawson was originally scheduled as the lead, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Catalina Sandina Moreno. Was that the chick from... Oh, that was the mom or was that the chick from the Vatican? I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, you're right.

Yeah, her outfit was not... Vatican approved. No, definitely not. Brian, why don't you start a sound here, man? Come on. Okay. Let's get into it.

First of all, if Rosario Dawson was in this movie, at least I would have something to look at. Yes. This movie... Then they can get away with the cheese. This movie was boring.

I didn't understand what was going on. I didn't know what was going on with Aaron Eckhart's hair piece he had on his head. because that was a wig he was wearing whatever was going on. And this fucking kid from Gotham

keeps showing up in all these movies. That would have been her. And she's hot. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt, but this, yeah, Catalina Sandino Moreno, she is hot as fuck.

You have to say it was an accent. She is gorgeous, man. She don't work for no Vatican. Get out of it. If she was, I'd start going to church. again, that's for sure. Yeah, with her. She works.

Oh, I know what I know her from now. Outside the Vatican. I know, hey, I know on the street. I know what I know this chick from. She was in the TV show The Affair on Showtime, which is a goddamn good show.

And I didn't want to give it a shot, but Jim Law on another podcast we listened to, Brian. Yeah. It was a great show. And he was fucking right, dude. It's a really good show. But now I remember her.

from that. So I'm sorry, dude, carry on, man. Carry on. I don't even know where to... Oh, gosh. In Carnal. Yeah, I think I was... You're on the hot seat, Brian. Come on. Oh, I was talking about this kid from Gotham who keeps getting these... Does he have, like, a 10-picture deal

with Blumhouse or whatever? Something. They like him. And how many years ago was this movie film? Because he looks younger than he did in the darkness. Oh, was he in the darkness? Oh, he was a I didn't hit him the darkness. Oh my God.

I didn't even realize. Wow. It makes so much more sense now. And I keep saying I like this kid and I wanted to like him in this movie. I hate this kid. I really do. That's what this fucker was in. Yes.

You can't fucking be Batman. Go be somebody else. God damn. And who's watching Gotham at this point, Brian? I am. I've watched the first two episodes of this season. I dropped it. Not just for him.

I'm not a Jada Pinkett fan. Right. And her character makes me not even want to watch television at all. One thing, she's what, like 99 years old at this point or what? Something like that. Holy fuck, dude. Incarnate. You're killing me.

This was the same kid that was in the darkness. Yes. I can't believe it. I totally forgot about that. My two least favorite. Oh, there's a contest going on. It's for your favorite. You can say your least favorite.

Okay. Far and away. And I haven't who had done my review of this movie. I'm pretty sure it's going to be on everybody's list. These are my two least favorite films of the year. This little fucking kid needs to be hunted down and shot. Should have done an exorcist with that dude. Yeah.

Oh, gosh. And the lady that played the mom, was it just me or did she have an accent coming in and out as she was talking? Come on, dude. I don't know. I'm serious. I didn't even notice that. Because I'm looking her up.

I think she's Dutch or something. I don't know. There was a couple times when she was having a so-called emotional scene or something, and I felt like her accent was coming in and out. This movie was horribly acted all the way around. Yeah. Are you big on understatement, Brian? Huh?

I said, are you big on understatement or what? Oh my gosh This must be her Carisse Van Houghton Yes she's definitely Dutch or something Yeah Where the fuck did they find her man Was she like one of the girl with the dragon tattoo

movies and as a background character Well they obviously spent all their money on Eric Hurt And you know what I'm looking at her IMDB She is from Game of Thrones Oh she's That chick That's

That's Milosau Andre! Yes. Oh my God. I didn't even notice. Well, why the fuck didn't she just cast a spell on this little fucking shit demon? She's the red-headed witch shit. Yeah, she could have had a ghost come and fucking stab the demon out of her son.

And then game over. Looking at some of these actors that was in this movie, they've done good movies before. Oh, yeah, she is from the Netherlands. I didn't even know that. Everybody phoned it in in this movie. Aaron Eckhart is a cool actor, man. Let's talk about him. Let's talk about him in this movie.

I can't think about any of the other movies that he did right off the top of my head because I'm, you know, I'm terrible. Oh, come on, dude. He was two-faced and the new badman. He was two-faced and I liked him in that. He kind of played the same character. He was very good. Yeah, he was very good in that, man.

Yeah. But in this one. He was the president, man. He played the president. of the United States. Well, just look at two recent movies. Just look at two recent movies. He was just in Sully with Tom Hanks.

Oh, I've seen it. And he was, he's in the new boxing movie, bleed for this. Oh, I totally want to watch that. And then he does. Basically two Oscar-worthy films. And then he does incarnate. Right. That's what I don't get.

Because this movie was so bad. Now I'm, now I'm pissed. And he was so bad in it. Now I'm fucking pissed. It's like everybody. What the fuck was he thinking? Everybody was just overly, it was like it was like it was trying to be a cheesy action movie or kind of a, what was that? The darkness?

No, the one that Keanu Reeves did. Keanu? Yeah. No, no. The movie Keanu? No, no, no. He didn't play a cat's voice. Yeah, he did.

He was a cat's voice. Was he really? Yeah. Bill and Tins actually an adventure. I didn't finish watching the damn movie. Conwick. Constantine. Okay.

Okay. So I feel like... That sucked. I feel like... But it was fun. I feel like it was trying to have a... And this wasn't. A Constantine sort of thing.

Yeah. But it wasn't fun. It wasn't fun action movie. There was no action and cool shit to go along with the overly dramatic... Well, everything has to happen right now. Right. Okay. Fair enough.

Fair enough. thing. Yeah, this movie was irritating. I mean, the one scene, we don't even need to do a spoiler anything for this. We just... We're going to do spoilers. I want to. Okay. Then I'm a wait. So we're ready for our scores?

I'm going to let you finish. Look, let me put it to this way. I'm going to finish. But Beyonce had the best video of the year. All right. So if we're going to do spoilers, guys, let's go ahead and do our scores because anybody who is listening to this show.

No. All right, but all kidding aside, anybody listening to this podcast, if you can listen to what we're going to have to say about this in our ratings and still want to go out and spend money to see this, your ass deserves to be spoiled. What's going to spoil? No, I'm going to let you finish. We're still going to do it.

Spoiler. It's not like it was... Yeah, let's do our ratings real quick. All right. Who's first? Who's our first? I think I went first.

I'm going to give it a one. A one? A one. Wow, dude. You want to elaborate? Because of the hot chick from the Vatican. That's... I can't find nothing.

Nothing enjoyable about this movie. She does not look like a hot nun. No. Like I said earlier, that Alpha was not Vatican approved with her blouse unbuttoned and everything. And no, I can't find one. Yeah. I can't find. I thought we're watching Narcos there for a minute. Yeah, I can't find one redeeming thing about this movie. The kid from Gotham, stop acting.

Because this movie, it seems like he's getting worse as he. as he goes along and stop it. I'm going to try to defend this kid because I kind of like him. There's something about him that I want to like. Not in this movie. But there is something about him in general. Like in Gotham? That I really want to like.

I don't know. He is horrible. He is horrible. I don't. Okay, this is not a Gotham show or nothing. But I have to just say, there's no way that I believe this kid will ever become the world's greatest detective. I do not see this kid.

He won't be the main character in detective comics, huh? I do not believe this kid, because Bruce Wayne is also a billionaire playboy. I do not believe this kid will even put that off. I don't, there's no way this show is going to continue that long to where he's going to be playing an older Bruce Wayne. Yeah. If it does, hopefully they'll recast. But I'm sorry, I don't like any. thing this kid is in.

And yeah, that's my rating is a one. All right. I guess I'm next. I'm going to give it. I really am having a hard time even giving it a two. I'm going to give it a two. Which is, which is

it's worse than I gave. Yeah, that's sky high, man. It's worse than I gave the darkness. I can't remember what I gave it, but it was, it was more than that. And this is definitely the worst one that we watched. This was way worse than The Darkness. I thought so. Well, I don't know about that.

Yeah. Darkness was pretty fucking bad. Yeah, they were both pretty bad. Can I say something real quick? Yeah. I've always said that that was our first. Go ahead, Kanye. That was our first review right there.

Right. The darkness? Yeah, I've always hated the rating I gave it because I gave it too high a rating. I know, right? I gave it a four. I think I did too. This movie, this movie. Suck in the darkness as balls, huh?

This movie is better than the darkness. I'm a spoil. I'm spoil it for my list. I'm a spoil it because at least something happened in this movie. Yeah, I guess that's true. They did have some kind of cool twist and turns towards the end that I didn't necessarily see coming. I mean, they were kind of obvious once they happened. But it was like, why?

What, but couldn't you have just done this? It's one of those movies, you know what I mean? Like, there was a, there was a Denzel movie. I can't remember what the hell it was. Fly? No, he was wearing a goddamn Hawaiian shirt the whole, the whole time. Oh, out of time? Yeah, out of time.

I think that was it. Yep. I hated that movie because it was, it was the whole fucking movie. I was like, look, you could have fixed this whole situation. That was directed by Redley Scott's brother. I had to go back and watch it. it again, but I remember thinking the whole time that I was watching it, I was like,

you could have just fixed this whole situation by saying this up front. Or at any point in time, just stop lying and say this, and the whole situation is fixed. I gotta go back and watch it then. But no, his

dumb ass keeps doing dumbass things. That's why you make dumbass movies. Right. Well, not necessarily Denzel, because I like most of this stuff. That's the only one. That's a Tony Scott movie. Is it? Yeah.

The same guy's man. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. I'll have to go back and I'll go have to go back and watch that one. But this one was terrible. But that's my comparison to it. Because it was a movie that I hated for a long time. So you give it a two.

I gave it two. All right. And two is fucking low as hell. Two's fucking good for this movie. Yeah, I really, I really didn't like. I didn't. I didn't hate it. I didn't like it.

You must have really loved the chick from the Vatican then. I'd give it a two. She had two legs. One, two. All right. Well, I give this one a one. Brian, we're in the same camp, man. Let me ask you as a question.

And I know there's a quote-unquote backstory, because his daughter and his daughter, his son and his wife were killed in the car crash. Right. He was the same demon. Spoiler alert. Well, not really because they said in the first two seconds of the movie. Yeah, that's the whole premise of the movie.

Yeah, no shit. Okay, can you guys really picture a filthy, uh, alcoholic, long beard, nasty-looking guy with all this money that he can hire two kids to be his little backup agents. Scooby-Doo and Scooby-D or whatever the names were? Hibster goth kids. No shit.

We fucking absolutely totally. the fakes tattoos I've ever seen. Obviously, ink, you know, just somebody took a magic marker. And hey, give me some cool-looking tattoos, man.

All right, let me fucking do this and do this and put a middle finger sticking up on your arm and shit like that. The stupidest fucking fake tattoos I've ever seen.

But he's got these two kids working for him and he's got all this money and he goes out and I guess we'll get into some spoilers, but how did he how do you guys think he learned?

or figured out that it was possible for him to quote unquote fall asleep or be brought close to death like flatliners. And once he's in that state, he can get into the mind of a person who's possessed by a demon. Yeah, that's why I want to get into spoilers. Yeah, it's hard to get into the conversation right now. So here's the point where we say this is a motherfucking spoiler alert. Oh, yeah, here we go. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. Done, guys. We've given our reviews. It is a motherfucking spoiler alert. I'm not going to do it because we got a sound bite. Let's go.

Well, let me, can I start? Go ahead. I've been Kanye all night. Like, I'm going to let you finish. I'm going to let you finish. Oh, my God. So, The first thing he does is he establishes the fact that he's an atheist.

And he's like, oh, I don't do exorcist. Because the girl from the Vatican comes up to him and she says, we want you to help our church to do an exorcism on a boy who's possessed by the devil. First thing out of his mouth, oh, I don't do exorcism. I do evictions. Yeah, in the theater, in the theater, I just yelled out. I died laughing, dude. They're fucking stupid.

Shut up. You kind of had to roll your eyes at that one. And I'm going to let you talk, Brian. I'm going to let you talk. I'm going to talk. That's your cool. Hold on. I'm going to let you talk to, Philip.

Hold on. But they never... No, hold on, Brian. Hold on. Why is it the first thing that fell out of his fucking bag of tricks when he came to do his work was a fucking crucifix? Uh, good point. Yeah. This movie made no fucking sense.

Yeah, no. They didn't abide by any kind of rules. His abilities that... he discovered, what did he say when he was 26 years old? Yeah. He never, I don't know, he said he can go into people's dreams. But he only did it. How did he figure that out though?

Yeah, they never elaborated on that. And the only way he did it with whoever he was evicting the demon from, he had to be medically induced or whatever. So I, where was the real ability? Well, he said when he fell asleep, he could go into, and I don't know if he had to be near him or not, they didn't explain it. They didn't, they didn't explain the rules. They totally threw some random-ass rules out there and then didn't abide by him at all. But he was saying that he could, when he fell asleep, he could go into the minds of those that were possessed.

But he didn't believe in demons or God. Well. So what does he mean by possessed? I mean, they were possessed by some other entity. He called them a... Whether it's a parasite. Yeah, a parasite. A parasite. Okay, now we're making progress.

A spiritual parasite. Okay, I got you. So he was spiritual, he wasn't necessarily Christian. Oh, shit. Oh, wait a minute. The way you're explaining it, I've got to raise my rating. No, you don't. Such a liar.

Oh, dude. Hold on. I'm seeing this movie through a different set of eyes. I'm just saying, that when they, when he explained it, he explained it. And I guess I kind of got it. They just half-assed the whole goddamn thing. You know what I mean?

There was a good movie in there somewhere. My rating might have went up if they would have explained it more. It was a cool concept, I thought. Like maybe we can get a flashback to when he discovered these abilities. Right. That would be cool. No. No.

No. You know what? Yes. That would have made this movie even longer. Oh, yeah. And it was only an hour and a half. Yeah. That was a long fucking hour and a half.

Let me tell you. Like, I got up in the middle of it to go, to go grab a beer and use a bathroom. And the bartender asked me how the movie was because I had told him what I was going to see. And I was like, man, it's kind of cheesy. He's like, cheesy in a good way? And I'm like, sure. I just remember the scene I want to bring up. Okay.

In the beginning, when he's helping the one guy, evict his demons or whatever and he's telling him to jump through the you have to jump through the window I can't make you but in the end he makes the boy jump through the window I thought the same exact thing

I was like okay well you're just throwing him out the window to his yeah there is no fucking rules to this movie there is no anything random random ass rules and then they don't abide by him at all

and then he tells him that you know of course what's your favorite color, blue, door appears. The kid can't open it, so he comes and kicks down the door for him. It's just, there's no, like, no rules whatsoever. And I don't, oh, gosh. Well, and that's what makes the twist so unpredictable, because they don't abide by any of the rules that they laid down in the beginning

in the movie. And they weren't real specific with the rules that they laid down in the beginning of the movie, and they still didn't abide by them. Yeah. I don't know I'm like I said I'm really interested to find out when this movie was filmed because it feels like this movie was filmed

like at least like three years ago I bet you it was because I know the release date just kept getting pushed and pushed and pushed and somehow they decided to put it in December of all months it was probably filmed at the same time that

insidious and like the Annabelle and all that stuff was being filmed where horror movies were big time high budget horror movies were kind of in. Yeah. This was by far one of the worst movies I've seen

and I was hoping for it to be somewhat decent with me seeing these horrible ass exorcist sequels. Oh shit. You got double fuck, didn't you? You watched the Exorcist's sequels before you watch this? Yes.

And it was still that bad. Wow. Yes. Yeah, I walked out of that movie going, man, that was garbage. Yeah, I got to tell you guys, a couple of times that I was in the theater. And when I first got there, I know you listened to Horror News Radio, Brian? Yes. And you've heard, have you ever heard the Black Saints say that there were so few people in the theater

he could take his pants off? Take his pants off, yeah. I was just about to ask you, was there anybody? Because I had like two other people in the theater with me. Yeah, let me put it to this way. When I first got there, I could have been pants free, but about, I don't know, about five minutes in the movie, these two assholes showed up. So I couldn't take my pants off.

God damn it. You know, but holy shit, dude, there was almost no one in there. There were like three other people in my movie, and I half, I, like, 95% expected one of them to be Lance. I absolutely positively had some, what do they call them, L-O-L moments. I just started laughing my ass off. And the guys didn't turn around and look at me like I was crazy, which kind of leads me to believe that they knew it was just as fucking stupid and ridiculous as I did. You can't ruin the movie.

They ruined it for you. Yeah, terrible. Horrible. What are the worst ever? I will say one bright spot is I do get to purchase my tickets for a, Star Wars, so. Awesome. Awesome.

Yeah. Let's talk about that. Oh, we might as well. Yeah. This will be my first IMAX 3D. Oh, I don't know if I did IMAX. Yeah. Oh, oh, I do have one good thing to say

about incarnate. I just- That we're not talking about it. No, all kidding aside. I discovered a new movie theater AMC, which we go to the one in spring. You and I've both been to it before, where they have the chairs that lean back.

Is this the one that serves like food and beer? They don't serve food and beer, but they do have a bar called McGuffins. But it's only open like during evening films. And I usually go during the afternoon when I get off work on Friday. Yeah. But I did get my ticket for $4.38. And I joined the AMC Rewards the Stubbs Club. And so she said every film that I go to that's in regular 2D will be $4.38

any time of the day or night. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So big victory. That's like 15 bucks. I'm signing up for that. Yeah.

Big victory there, man. I was going to go look at that later. That is worth signing up for. And she said all you have to do when you show up is give your phone number, basically. That's awesome. Plus you get to stand in, like if you're, you know, crowded in line for the, for the convenient stuff. They have like a separate line for the AMC stuff No, are you serious?

Yeah, they do. No, you can go skip the line. Oh, fuck. Brian, do you have AMC theater up there? Unfortunately, no. We are, we are dominated by Regal up here. Hmm. I don't know how they work,

but, uh, yeah, we have a movie tavern too. That's where you can get the food and the drinks and stuff. It's like a restaurant and the movie, but. Yeah, we have a smaller one. Their service is. It's a, yeah, it's an independently on theater up here.

they serve food and drinks. You know, you can get beer and wine. That's cool. Well, I'm thinking I have my three tickets for three excellent seats to see Star Wars movie on the Saturday. I was hoping for Friday that we could all see it Friday and do the podcast early. But our guest on that particular show, listeners, is going to be Denny Lewis, who does the After Midnight podcast. Oh, cool. Yeah.

And he is dying. He's a fucking Star Wars fan from day one. He's dying to see it. Rock on. He couldn't get tickets until Saturday morning anyway. Yeah, me and my life got tickets for Thursday night. Yeah, me too. Oh, man, you guys can do an early show.

Hey, why don't we do that? You two can do an early first impression show. We've got to give people time to see it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, just it might be exciting just to come out of it and say, hey, we just walked out and here we're our first impression. Yeah. Oh, and first, oh yeah, and I heard we're going to get a Spider-Man and Planet of the Apes trailer with Star Wars. Oh, cool. Well, I love the planet of the apes movies are fucking fantastic. Yeah, they're really good. I think this one's called War for Planet of the Apes or something like that.

So, yeah, I am definitely pumped for this one. Yeah, me too. I might go through the movies with my wife. She's not really familiar. She knows. Star Wars, but I do explain that this movie's not part of the you know, this is not like episode 8 or something, it's just a standalone movie. Yeah, it's standalone, but it very clearly takes place

between chapters 3 and 4. It falls in the timeline. It's kind of like we're the cartoon, Star Wars Rebels. Yeah, so I think I'm going to show her new hope what, you know, what to me is just Star Wars before they, you know, and then explain to her, this is

this movie's about them stealing the plans to destroy the death star so i think that's what we'll do you remember that part of the movie i'm sorry dude but we're looking at pictures from incarnate and they're showing the guy from the the first scene that got possessed the fat guy oh his facial expression that was the best scene of the goddamn movie right there when the fat guy it was absolutely was i actually i actually like the scene mean with the father, with the son and the father when he snapped his arm. Okay. What?

Because I didn't really, I didn't expect him to just, I didn't expect anybody to really die in this movie. I was, I thought they were. I understand Phillips two points now. I'm looking at, I'm looking at the chick again that was from the Vatican. Oh my God. Like I said, I'm ready to go back to church if she, if she's the priest. Wow, oh, the scene where he was in the nightclub. How fucking stupid was that?

Oh, shout out to Mark Henry. Shout out to Mark Henry. Who the fuck is Mark Henry? He was the, yeah, he was the, he was the bouncer. The big dude. All right, you got to, hey, Brian, you got it up to 1.5 now. Yeah, that's for all my wrestling. fans out there. I change it to

1.5. I've been watching Mark Henry Russell since I was younger. So, yeah, I'll shoot up to a 1.5. Well, guess what? I'm not changing my score. I think I'm sticking with a 2. I'm sticking with a 1. 2 is a little high.

All right. Well, fuck, we've killed this one, guys. You guys ready to do the outro? Yep. All right. Well, I think everybody who listens to the show that trust us and respects our opinion. Go watch The Exorcist and not this piece of trash. If you guys are going to watch, if you guys are going to watch the sequels, don't watch the second one.

Watch the third one. Yeah, I heard the third one. Don't watch any of that one. Yeah. Yes. But, I mean, our real listeners are still here. because they will listen to the spoilers. Or.

And trust us that this fucking movie, inconsistent. Is that what it's called? Incarnate. It's definitely worth watching. I really, not worth watching. I legitimately have to think about it every time I say it.

I'm like, what is it? Oh, incarnate. As always. The taking of Deborah Logan is another cool. Oh, that's a good one. I like that. That's actually good.

And it's, I think it's on Netflix still. Yeah, well, last time I checked. it was. Okay. So yeah, that one is awesome. Go watch it. As always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. Can I get something to watch? Don't go watch this piece of trash.

Oh, and you said the Atticus Institute, right? Oh, yeah, that was cool. All right. Because that had the same sciencey concept. So what was it about? It was, they were, it was, they were. It was a mental institution, right? No, it was doctors in the seven. and they were performing like telekinesis experiments.

But it was found footage, right? It was kind of found footage, but it was documentary style. Okay. They did it kind of right. Probably better than The Exorcist Part 2 through 17 or whatever, Brian just watched. It was cool. It was definitely interesting. It had the creepy guy from Lost. The creepy guy from Lost?

Yeah. John Locke? I don't know what his name is. I'm bad with the names. Oh, I know who you're talking about. He was one of the others. Yeah, he's one of the others. Brian, do you know who we're talking about?

I've never seen Lost. Nope. Yeah, I can't remember what the character's name was, but he was like the first one of the other. Yeah, one of the very first others, yeah. Okay, so they are scientists in the 70s and they're performing government experiments on like telekinesis. Right. And sorry to extend the podcast, but you're in the spoiler section, bitches. And so this chick comes in and she's super closed off and super fucking weird.

And then she scores off the charts on all of these telekinesics experiments. Which is, it kind of takes place in the Cold War time where they would have been, yeah, William May. Mapoth. He's got a weird name. He's a weird name. Dr. Ethan Rom. I'm lost. Okay.

And so it's a very scientific approach because you soon find out that this girl is definitely possessed. And they have no more scientific explanation for it, but they keep trying to run like tests on her. It's basic, you know, this person is weird, so we're going to run tests on you. It's what the X-Men are afraid of. So, in other words, it turns into being a real exorcism or not exorcism, but they find it it's a demon when they didn't think it was. Right. It's definitely another entity.

I don't think they ever actually call it a demon. Right. It's an exorcism from scientific. Do they call it an eviction? No, they don't go out an eviction. I prefer to call it an eviction. Yeah. That is exactly.

by the way. I don't believe in God, but I'm going to carry a crucifix with me in my bag. That's exactly, by the way, how he delivers that line. Because, like, hey, how you doing? Gay. God, he was so fucking bad. Like, overdramatic to the tee. Brian, you said he was phoning it in. You still standing by that?

I think everybody phoned it in, except the kid from Gotham. I believe he was trying his hardest. He's just legitimately terrible. Yeah, no, I can't argue with you. He probably was doing his best, and it was bad. I did my best, but I guess my best wasn't good enough. All right, let's end this fucking podcast. As always, we want to thank you for listening to the episode of The Horror Returns.

We'd love to hear your heart. feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com. For up to the minute news, reviews, and interviews, visit our Facebook page at www. Facebook.com forward slash the horror returns. And where else, Brian, can they follow us? You can find us on Instagram at thehorrorreturns.com. Or you just search the horror returns on whatever social media

that you have. Yeah, we're pretty much out there everywhere. in hole addresses. So next week, Brian, I think you picked... Wait a minute. Brian, didn't you pick this week's movie? Yes, I believe next week we are doing Aetoir. Yes? I believe I'm Abatore.

And the 1986 horror comedy house. Oh, man, I love House. Have you seen that? No. Oh, you're in for a treat. I tell you. are in for a treat. Not Avatar. Abattoir. Abattoir.

Abattoir. So until the horror returns again, good.