The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #260: Vile (2011) & Spiral: From The Book Of Saw (2021)

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

This week we all make it to the movie theater to check out the new Saw movie and catch 2011's Vile. Cool of the Week includes Divergent, Mayans MC, and the movie theater experience. Trailers this week are A Quiet Place 2, The Green Knight, and The Forever Purge. Podcast spotlight shines on The Horror Cult Films Episode 9. Thanks for listening!

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All right, welcome back to everyone to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always, my co-host, Philip and Brian, Nez is working. He might pop in later. We want to hear about the horror convention he went to, but how's it going, guys? It is going. Excellent. Most excellent? Yeah.

When you said how's it going, guys, my first thought was, how's it going, Bill and Ted? Hey, man, I think that was in a lot of our top tens last year, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So back from vacation, boys. It's good to be on. It was great, man. It's really culture shock.

Florida was like not a mask in sight, like anywhere, indoor, right up next to each other, chair to chair in a bar. Well, I think it's like 100,000 percent capacity or whatever. Go ahead, Phil. Apparently they heard us when we were talking last week. I think they did. Take the masks off, man. Well, okay. You got to be convinced.

I'll go get the goddamn shot. Here's the funny story about new ones. Orleans, right? So we get there Wednesday. And dude, I mean, it's like mass city, right? And we go into the Harris Casino because my brother-in-law wanted to check out the casino. And they fucking, they wouldn't even, I mean, it was like Vegas. Like, they would come by a, sir, unless you're sipping your beer, have your mask up. Thank you. Like, what the fuck is this yet? I'm in a casino. This is crazy. See, that's what I was waiting on. I mean, the CDC said it, but now we got to get all the businesses. All right. So here we go. Here's what happened. Okay, same exact casino. Okay, so it's like 99% people wearing masks, right? Wednesday and Thursday. We go back Friday.

Thursday's when the CDC made that announcement. Apparently, Louisiana jumped all over it. Oh. Tattoo parlor that I went to when I got my tattoo, everybody had to mask up. The next day, AJ got her tattooed. Nobody was wearing a mask. That was Friday. So we go into the casino, there might have been 10% of people wearing masks.

So it's, we're getting out of the mask phase, guys. it feels good. Beautiful. Stull those motherfuckers off, man. I'm done with the mask. I didn't mind it at first, but fuck, I'm caught up. You get tired of it.

What about you, Brian? Y'all don't have to mask in Alaska, right? Because you're so spread out apart from each other? We don't have to, but we do. Do the sled dog's mask, or what? I wouldn't know, Lance. Okay. All right, you guys ready for cool little week?

First thing I did in Alaska, get a goddamn sled dog. Is it? Okay. well, apparently not Brian. So I guess he's going to tell us what's really going on. Oh, Brian, can you see the Northern Lights from where you live? I don't know. I don't usually look at the sky.

Well, you're in the city, right? Yeah. I think maybe when that time happens, I think you can kind of see it. But don't ask me. I'm not 100% sure. Kind of ish, huh? Kind of like the UFOs, right, Philip? Oh, yeah, they're out there, man.

There's another one, another, like, verified video of the UFO going into the water. Same one? No, different one. It's the Omaha one. There's a whole bunch of, like, at one point, the Navy just got sick of reporting them. Like, they're all over the place. Serious? Yeah.

See, that's why I said the ocean is scary. Yeah. That's where the alien underground underwater base is. I am 100% on board with that. I think that's very true. I saw a lot of mantar rays when I was in Florida, but I didn't see any... I don't think I saw any UFOs. Like just in the water?

Oh, dude, they were everywhere, man. I guess it was the right time here to see him. Huh. But those aren't the ones, that's not the... I was a stingray that got a old crocodile. Yeah, I think he tried to ride one or something. I don't know. Yeah, don't do that.

Don't ride them. So Manta rays are nice. You can hang out with them, right? You know what? They were kind of playful, but they won't let you get too close. They're fast, man. When they start moving, when they're, they look like bats, kind of like underwater bats. And when they start moving, man, they're gone.

You can't get too close to them. But they are playful. Like, you chase them and they go really. fast away from you and then you start going in the other direction and they start kind of coming toward you. Really? So, yeah, so they're a very social type of animal, I would say.

That's awesome. A lot of fun, man. Yeah. If I could see six inches into the water down here, I might be able to find one. We can see like seven feet down, dude. Yeah. I mean, it was, yeah, best weather I've ever seen in, Panama City Beach.

So May might have to be our new time to go. Last time we got stuck in a fucking hurricane. So literally. Last like two times. It is two times. So, Philippi, did you come up with a cool of the week, man?

Because I've got a not so cool and a cool. Yeah, I don't know that I watched a whole lot this week, except I came and hung out in the living room while I was getting ready to go to work, and my wife was watching the Divergent series. and uh dude i like those movies i think they're pretty cool yeah i didn't get to watch the whole thing but you know from what i saw it was fun well i mean they don't they deal it with ufos and shit

no divergent it's like a divergent it's a kind of hunger games ish thing ah okay uh you seen those brian i've seen the first one and uh I remember liking the first one. I just never watched any of the sequels. Yeah, the sequels aren't as good, but it's still pretty neat. But that's all I got this week, man. So severely lacking on watching things. It happens, man.

It happens. I finally got to watch some shit the last two nights, so I got a couple of things to add. But my not-so-cool of the week, and I hate to say it, we're going to review another movie he directed tonight. this is the new one on HBO Max Brian you know where I'm going right oh yeah what a fucking piece of shit

and a great great cast you had Nicholas Holt John Baranthall you've got Little Finger in there what could go wrong that's who he was yeah that was Little Finger

I couldn't put my finger on I was like as soon as you popped up I was like you're the fucking bad guy because you just you remind me of somebody that's horrible and that's probably why. He does have a very unlikable face, doesn't he? Very punchable face.

Oh, man, horrible, horrible movie. Bad, bad, bad, fire CGI. And did they just throw this together? He needs to just stick with Yellowstone right now. He's writing every fucking episode of a TV series. Maybe that's why he should just stick with the TV series right now. What movie was it? Not a fan.

It's called Those Who Wish Me Dead. Oh, that one. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't call it trash. I mean, you're right about the CGI fire because it was clearly not really there. Right. But my biggest problem was I thought the situation that they were in was going to take place in the fire. And it really didn't.

No, we didn't necessarily get the big fire until the end. It's just kind of like, but yeah, a great cast, though. Yeah, a lot of scenes that were sort of

in like ashes and stuff like that, but no actual, the fire was like several feet away. It's kind of. Yeah, like I said,

I wouldn't say it was horrible. I'd just say more disappointing because the trailer led you to believe something else bigger was going to happen. Okay, I'll buy that,

man. Disappointing. I'll buy disappointing. But, but my cool of the week, Brian, you're going to love it, man. You might have to have Jack stop in, man. You know what I'm talking about? We binge-watched an entire series of the last two nights.

Oh, is it... Is it the good series or the other one? It's for the club. It's like... It's fucking sons of... No, Mayans. It's sons of anarchy all over. again, just with different characters,

dude, this easy is exactly spot on Jacks. And every other fucking sentence, he says, is for the club. I shit you not. The only thing he's missing is the white kicks. I can't get into that. I don't know. I love it. I just can't. I can't get into

it. Oh, dude, I love it. So much fucking horrible drama, so much terrible acting. So much, so many unbelievable situations, like a big fight breaks out in a motel. And somehow, all the fucking gang members on our side are able to get out of there just in time

before the cops show up and all the bad guys on the other gang all get arrested. It's just fucking outrageous, man. But it's fun. It's trash. It's, what, guilty pleasure, TV? That makes sense.

That's another one my wife likes to put on in the background. Not the Mayans, but sons are anarchy. Okay. That's a good one to put on in the background. You got to check out Mayans then. That's my cool of the way. week, Mayans MC. Brian, you got a lot of them, right?

Yeah, of course, you just talked about those who wish me dead. I also watched Oxygen on Netflix, the Alex Aja. I do want to see that. Eh. Oh, no.

It takes place a woman when amnesia wakes up in a cryogenic pod, and it's losing oxygen, and she has, like, hour to figure out how to get out or get help and I just didn't feel the detention and then when they threw into twisty tourney I really didn't care for the the main actress even more I was just kind of like well who cares try to do better Alex Osger you did this and crawl was your last couple movies well yeah good point

It sounds like a cool premise. Yeah, it is. But then when they do the reveal, I'm just kind of like, I care about you even less. The main character, or the only character. There's only one character. Well, that was definitely filmed during the pandemic.

Yeah, it looked great. It did look great. I will say that. But it's just, I think they dropped the ball story-wise. I watched that other new Netflix movie, The Woman in the Window. that just looks boring it is

nothing you haven't seen before yeah girl on the train stranger in the house you can take uh you can take the the premise of uh what's that Alfred Hitchcock movie rear window rear window yes take that premise

and then take um what's that's a Gorney Weaver movie copycat where she had the agoraphobic and couldn't go outside mash those together and you got this. Great cast, though.

Amy Adams. It was Amy Adams, Julianne Moore, Gary Oldman, the new or we thought he was going to be the new Captain America was his Kurt Russell's son

was in it. Oh, Wyatt? Yeah, he plays a good person that I don't like. Oh, it says Anthony Mackey's in it too, so there is good shit. He's kind of in it. Oh, kind of. Itch. Okay. Great cast. It's just

it's nothing you haven't seen before. And my last one I'm going to talk about is Ben Wheatley's in the earth. Please tell me this was your cool of the week. I don't think I have a cool of the week. Oh, no!

He's like, man of the week. it was filmed beautifully it was well acted it's just I don't know what the fuck I was watching I don't understand what was happening it's it's not what you when you watch it's completely not what you think the trailer is

it goes somewhere else and I'm just like the fuck is happening I think I actually said that out loud I'm in the middle of it and I was like what the fuck is happening and I just kind of went with it and if you have a problem with a lot of flashing lights and weird loud noises

do not watch this movie. What? Lance, I need you to watch it. I need you to... I will. I think it's now on VOD or, you know, you can find it. But I need you to explain what the fuck I was watching.

Oh, man, that's my homework for the week, right? Yep. And at least... And at least five. Danny Trejo movies for another podcast I'm going to do next Monday. Well, that'll be more funner. Yeah. What were you going to say, Phil?

Oh, well, you're kind of the king of those what the fuck is happening movies. So. Well, but is it what the fuck is happening like in a Mandy kind of way where if you were maybe in the right environment?

I mean, I guess but I just don't know what the hell was going on. It just, I thought, because it takes place after virus hits, because there's another virus movie, and a lot of people are sick

or wiped out or something, I don't know. And then I honestly don't know what the fuck the two main characters do, or what their purpose is. And they kind of go, because you have to, you have to have a park ranger escort

you through certain parts of the area, because it's I guess dangerous and you got to go a certain way and they run into some people and then some fucking weird shit happens and I'm like, what is happening? Is this a virus movie or is this like something else? I'm just, I don't know.

Affairs. Well, this was in the theater here for one week. I was going to go check it out but I had to go to San Antonio for a funeral and I kind of ran out of time. That was about three or four weeks ago. But if it's on demand, I will check it out this week and report back. Fair enough.

Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I don't have a cool. Those are all math of the week. I will say being back in the theater was cool. Oh, there you go. There's your cool of the week right there. That was definitely my cool of the week. It was fucking awesome, wasn't it?

Yeah. And they redid our theater down here. Oh, yeah? Yeah, they got like big comfortable seats now and stuff. Oh, nice. I went to one that had those with the little their fucking you and stuff.

Yeah. Man, well this is my fourth movie to see in the theater. Damn, we'll talk about it later, but damn, I had a fun time. I probably had a lot more fun just being in the theater watching Spirled than the movie deserved, but

nonetheless, I had a fucking blast. So, and every single, we're going to talk about some trailers now, right, Brian? Oh, yeah. The two of them I saw before a spiral and by fucking chills, goosebumps. I'm so looking forward to seeing them in the theater.

And then the one that didn't show before a spiral, I watched that today, Brian. And that's the one I'm most looking forward to. And I was just thinking of being a young lad and my friend's dad took us to see Excalibur in the movie theater. And it just brought back all those memories came flooding back. The only thing is it wasn't Liam Neeson. now is that actor

is that the same one that was young Moreno and the Budapest Hotel or is this a different actor because he sure looks like him but we'll get to that yeah I'm about say let me check somebody might be

getting mad as the listeners do but yeah let's just get into trailers here all right first one we are going to talk about is something we're going to review next week. Quiet Place 2. Is it already coming out?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Two weeks. Of course, this is a sequel to 2018 is The Quiet Place. Synopsis goes following events at home. The Abbott family now faces the terrors of the outside world. Forced to venture into the unknown, they realize the creatures that hunt by sound are not the only threats lurking beyond the sand path. Kind of gives me a walking dead vibes right there. Yeah.

People could be real shitty. This stars, of course, Emily Blunt, John Krasinski. Okay, this is where I start fucking up. Name is Millicent Simmons, Noah Jup, Sillion Murphy, and DeMondhansu. This is directed, of course, by John Krasinski, who also co-wrote it with Scott Beck and Brian Woods. I did not watch this trailer because I've already seen the first trailer

and I don't need to see anymore. So I will throw it to you guys. I loved it. It was fucking, it was just awesome being in the movie theater watching trailers, Philip. Yeah, definitely. Well, and in this one, they threw in a little, because I didn't,

I don't remember this part being in the other trailer that I watched, but they threw in a little prequel action. And I'm like, ah, there's where John Krasinski's in it. That makes sense. Makes perfect sense, yeah. As it's happening. So that is exciting to me. I kind of want to watch that part.

Yeah, I guess it probably, it probably starts, like, right before the events of the first movie, but then I'm sure you get a pretty quick jump forward, at least like a fourth of the way into it or third of the way into the movie, I'm guessing. I guess we'll find out. in a couple weeks. Oh, that may be just the first scene in the rest of the movie is something totally true. Yeah, it could very well be. It's probably what's going to happen. Could very well be, man.

But either way, I'm excited to see that scene, and I think the rest of the movie is going to be great, too. I mean, if the last one is any indication, I'm excited. Do you guys think we'll get an explanation on what's happening? Probably more so than the first movie, right? Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. That's... you know, kind of what I meant with the prequel thing. Like, I'm hoping that they explain some stuff, how it happened, where it came from.

Yeah, I'm just thinking that it's going to be, like you guys said, a very Walking Deadish, right? Where you've got, like, the little groups of cruel people and stuff like that. But hopefully they want, you know, just go overboard with that, where they're just basically remaking another season of The Walking Dead. Let's see, running time hour and 37 minutes. So that should give you just enough time to, you know, to get that. You're probably right, Philip. That's probably just going to be a quick cut that scene. Yeah.

And then that's about an hour and a half long movie in that time. So, yeah, hopefully it won't just be a carbon copy of season 7.2 of The Walking Dead or whatever, right? I'm hoping. All right. Like I said, it comes out May 28th. and you will get that review here in a couple weeks. Sweet. Lance, our next trailer,

I am finalizing the schedule, and I'm putting it on the schedule because it looks awesome, and that is A-24's The Green Night. Yeah, this is already my favorite movie of the year, and I haven't even seen it. Let's see. A fantasy retelling of the medieval story of Sir

Gawain of the Green Knight. say that right? I think it's Gawain? Gawain? Is it Gawain? I don't know. I'm trying to think

how they pronounce it in Excalibur. Liam Neeson played Gawain. I think it is Gawain. I think it is too. So it's not Gawin. I was trying to think of

how they pronounced it in Monty Python. That's even better, man. All right. This stars Dev Patel and no Lance. I don't think that was him.

Okay, this is Slumdog Millionaire. Yes. I got you. Okay. Alicia Vacander. I really like her. Joel Edgerton, Sarita. What? Chanderie.

Sean Harris, Kate Dickey. Barry Keoghan. He's that weird kid from that, what was that, to hunt a deer, to kill a deer. Oh, my God. Oh, that one. Holy shit. The kid that made him have the shotgun, right? He went around in a circle and put bags over everybody's head and had to kill somebody.

Holy shit. That is that kid. And it also stars Aaron Kellyman, and people might recognize her as one of the flag smashers and the Falcon Winter Soldier. She was the cute one with the red hair and the freckles. Oh, yeah. She's got to be mixed with something, huh? Yeah, I believe her mother is white and her dad is Jamaican. Ah, that makes it.

Irish and Jamaican, because I believe that's her mother. That's where the red hair comes from. That's an interesting mix. I like it. A combination. Yeah, I don't know what it is. I know we're getting off topic, but the freckles just make it for me. I don't know why.

And the super duper curly hair, like curly bright red hair. Yeah, with freckles. Mm-hmm. Does it? It works. All right. I will all end up mocha and brown one day. This is written and directed by David Lowry.

who did a ghost story for A-24 and the Peach Dragon remake. I have never seen it. I've never seen it, man. The Peach Dragon remake? Yeah, it's all right, but I grew up at the old one,

so a little more partial to that one. Were they break into song every five minutes? Yeah, back when I'm I wasn't so jaded and cold and I can hear music and singing in music in movies. But, Lance.

The no one wasn't bad, though. It's worth watching. Yeah. Lance kicks off. Oh, man, this is, I'm telling you. I can't wait to see this. It's so obvious A24. I mean, they got some street crad now, guys.

They've obviously spent a lot of money on this, and now I see why they held back on releasing it, because isn't this one of those that was supposed to come out like last summer? Yes, I believe all trailers we are talking about tonight, we would have seen last year. Yeah, okay. Well, man, I'm all in, dude. I can't.

The fantasy aspect of it, I mean, nothing looked phony to me. You saw the giants in there and the different characters and the talking head. It's just everything in here to me, man. Just, I don't know. It just looks like something that was, that somebody that's an artist and sort of an an artisan, a craftsman. And they had a pretty good budget to work with. and 824 just kind of,

I think 824 must really let people do their thing. That's just the feeling. Because all their stuff is super artsy. Yeah, and I just can't wait. That's my bag, man. So in the Earth this week, and then I'll check this out as soon as it's out, man. Yeah, I am super into this.

The visuals look amazing. The cast looks great, and I think the story is going to be great also. I wonder if, because there seems to be a lot of, there might be a good mixture of practical in CGI in here, because I couldn't really tell what was maybe CGI and what was practical. It was very well done, wasn't it? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I would have been as on board with it. I mean, it looks cool just to begin with, but then you throw the A24 aspect on top of a movie like this. And I am super stoked about it. There's no way it's going to be bad. All right. And again, you'll get this review here on July 30th. This will be in theaters.

And our final trailer, another movie we would have seen a year ago. The Forever Purge. Purge is forever. I hate Purge movies, but fuck, if I don't really want to. see this man all right let's go with the synopsis here all the rules are broken as a sect of lawless marauders

decide that the annual purge does not stop a daybreak and instead should never end this stars Josh Lucas Anna Day Cassie Freeman Will Patton

Levin Rambon and I'm going to stop there directed by Averado Gout and written by James DeMonico who I believe has written every Purge movie. Ah, okay.

Yeah, I think the Purge movies are fun. They're not the best movies, but I do have fun watching them. This is supposed to be the final one, so I'm expecting them to go out with a bang. and I'm looking at the poster

Oh no Oh no! I just realized something Have you seen the poster? Yeah Oh man I didn't mean to cut you off Go ahead No go ahead I want to see if you're

Is that not? Are you all looking at it The orange one? Orange and Like the second It says the rules are broken What are we looking for? Is that not the QAnon Shaman? I think they're going for that.

I'm not even kidding. I know, man. I hope they don't go too political with it. Oh, dude. I mean, you have to, but you have to think this movie was made probably like two years ago. Was the poster made two years ago? Oh, that's true. But the posters of...

I didn't see this character when I was watching the trailer. I can tell you that. No, we didn't really get too many characters from the trailer. We've got some guys in cowboy hats and other people in pink bunny heads, masks. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it definitely looks interesting.

I'm glad it's the last one. You think so, do you? I mean, it sounds like they're running out of ideas. where do you go after the forever purge? Like, where do you go from there, right? Yeah, it's time to start a new series. Maybe even based in the same universe if you want to, but let's let this, let's purge the purge.

Yeah, I believe this will be the last one because it's kind of gotten away from the horror aspect and it's become more of an action thriller. Yeah. Yeah, like the first one was scary. Yeah. The first one was a straight home invasion movie. And then when they brought Frank Grillo in, it became like an action.

I say the second one was more action horror. And then when you got to the third and fourth one, it just became like an action. You stick that many movies in a series, and unless it's Marvel, I will completely lose track of them. All right. I think I'm going to try to work this into the schedule. I don't know. Oh, yeah. I mean, we've got to cover it.

Yeah. So July 2nd, July 4th weekend. You got to put that AMCA list to use. Yeah, get your purge on. That's it. Purges go. Fourth of July weekend, make sense. Ah, that's right.

All right. That's it. Are we doing horror headlines? Oh, shit. Yeah. What we got? You weren't on vacation. Shut the head.

Okay. You got to have some horror headlines, right? Yeah, I only got a few things. It's another slow newsweek. Sci-fi's the Day of the Dead series is set to premiere this fall. I'm kind of looking forward to it because sci-fi has been doing pretty good with their series. They just keep canceling them for some reason. and this is

Lance, this is going to be directed by I forgot his name, the guy that did Psycho Gorman. No kidding. Yeah. Oh, wow. Like, is he doing every episode

or like maybe directs a couple? You know how they usually do with shows, right? I think he's the showrunner and he's going to be directing some episodes. That's fucking awesome, dude. Yeah, I'll check it out, man. Which, uh, anybody who hasn't seen Psycho Gorman?

this Friday, it will be on Shudder. Ooh, nice. I actually have not yet. Oh, there you go. You got to check it out, dude. Yeah. Well, never mind. I don't want to spoil anything, but just think of your childhood, man.

Maybe some stuff you might have watched in your childhood and just see it turned up to 11. Okay. I'll describe it without giving stuff away. Hunky boys. I like it. Let's see, Robert Eggers's new film, The Northman, gets a release date of April 8th, 2022. Oh, Jesus Christ. But a lot is coming out about this, saying this will probably be his best movie he's done to date.

Well, yeah, of course they're going to say that, right? Well, I'm more into this, a violent Viking revenge movie. It looks awesome. I've never seen a wider cast. But it looks amazing. What do you want? And lastly, more update about the Knives Out sequel that's going to be on Netflix. People have this recently joined the cast is Catherine Hahn.

She was Agatha in the Vondivision. Edward Norton and Dave Batista. Oh, cool. Oh, all right. Cast is growing. Looking forward to now. I love the first one. Looking forward to the sequel.

And it'll be on Netflix. Okay. So it's probably just going to be a new family then, I'm guessing, right? Yeah, I think that story's told with that first one. Just bring it a whole new ensemble cast. That would be awesome. Give us another great murder mystery story, and that's all I need. Daniel Craig is coming back as the detective.

You know, I don't know how I feel about Edward Norton, though. I used to really like him. But I feel like everything he's been in lately and just hearing him talk in person, I'm like, you know, he's kind of annoying. Yeah, I guess that all came out with the Hulk movie. Yeah. How he was kind of demanding things and there. Right, I heard about that.

Can't do that with Marvel and Disney. Yeah. And I know he's probably kicking himself in the ass after endgame, but I can't think you're bigger than other people, especially studios. Had an opportunity. I couldn't even tell you what he's been in. Birdman. Nothing good.

That was several years ago. I can't think of anything since Birdman. He was in a, I think I watched it. I think he's like an assistant to a, hitman and he has like speaking problems or something. Motherless Brooklyn? Yeah, there you go. Didn't he write and direct that?

So now he's like, fuck you all. I'm subjected to him on shit. That's, I think he, maybe that's where I have an issue with him. I feel like he thinks he's better than everybody else. Wow. Hopefully him and Ryan Johnson will get along well, huh? Yeah.

Let them go make their own fucking movie and leave Star Wars alone. All right. that's it. Oh, new Snake Eyes trailer dropped. Oh, yeah. You and Nez are going to be all about that, I'm sure. Oh, well, I saw he

put a little angry face on the Facebook post. Really? Uh-oh. Yeah, I think I know what the issue is. I have an explanation for that because I think they're going with the original origin story. But I thought the trailer was,

it looked like it's going to be some good fun martial arts action. And Samara weaving is in the movie. Sold. Snake Eyes and Samarrow weaving. And the guy, the guy from the Raid movies,

Eco U-As, the main guy, he's also in the movie. It's going to be some fighting going on in that movie. Nice. Stormshadows in it, right? Yep. He's being played, but I don't know if you guys have watched what is that show, the martial arts show.

Dang, it's going to brag my brain, but it's a good show. It's on HBO Max. Okay. I got to look it out. Is it the one that used to be on FX? It used to be on Cinemax, but then I brought it over to... To HBO Max?

Yeah. Is Cinemax still longer a thing, or what? Yeah. They're owned by whoever owns HBO. Not the Badlands. No. Okay. Damn.

Oh, yeah, the Badlands. That was the one that was the one that was... on AMC. There was a lot of martial arts in that. It's kind of like a... Snake Eyes is being... Or Storm Shadow is being played by Andrew Koji and he... Warrior. Warrior. Okay. I think I've seen

that in the... Great show. It is not a show to be watched with kids because there's a lot of sex and profanity and the martial arts is fucking amazing. And I love what they do when somebody's speaking in their

language. The camera will kind of pan like a 360 around and as it's turning it turns into English Oh interesting okay Yeah You had me at sex and martial arts At the same time

Yeah great show I 100% recommend it It's both seasons right now on HBO Max Nice Oh man Storm Shadow was always my favorite guy as a kid So I'll take it Snake Eyes was my second favorite

I'm definitely watching this movie Yeah, you're set, and then Samara waving, man. Yeah, she is going to be, who is she playing in it? I think she's playing Scarlet. Okay, that makes sense. Scarlet. Yeah. All right.

G.I. Joe Wright, finally. That's the news. All right. Well, on to listener feedback. The podcast spotlight this week shines on the horror cult films podcast episode nine. The Lighthouse and the Witch. DeVich.

Speaking of Robert Eggers, huh? In the latest edition of the podcast, we go back in time. David and his guest star slash friend of the historian, Dr. Gaines Murdoch, talk about one of the genres' most exciting voices, Robert Edgars. They discussed the meaning and the contact of the characters in both the witch and the lighthouse. You can find this show as part of the Dark Discussions Network. So definitely check that out.

That sounds pretty cool. Nice. And for the third week in a row, we're going to skip some listener feedback because Lance is still on vacation. Oh, wait, you're not on vacation. Well, I just got back, man. I didn't have time to get any feedback.

Oh, there's going to be so fucking much next week, guys. Yeah. We had a lot of shit going on, all right? Well, we'll get to a whole bunch of feedback sometimes and soon. Oh, wait. Let me see if I can pull it up because I kind of want to address this. Okay, cool. Somebody made a comment.

Can I pull it up? Is there drama? We got drama today? No, no. I never have drama. Yeah, that's true. Because I ended. No.

I think I've posted it for it. Until Ness starts putting frowny faces next to. Snake eyes. Snake guys. That's going to be interesting to review that show. Fuck, crazy. I should have had, sorry listeners, I should have this pulled up. I think everybody just wants you guys to invite,

Phil over to the Action Returns for that one. So I can hear Ness bitch about how it's not exactly like it was in the cartoon. It's a piece of shit. He had a brown Nazi helmet. instead of a black Nazi helmet. Here we go. I posted Friends of the show to Morris Ellis' YouTube link

for his review of Russell Crow. Russell Crow in Unhinged. Oh, yeah. How was that movie? It's better than it should be. I thought it was me. I thought it was man. But, you know. I have a problem

because Ryan Stevens commented that he absolutely disagrees with that, with his statement. And he says that the movie was warm garbage, even though I was excited to see a new movie in the theater at the time. I was still left laughing, laughable, crappy. I don't get what that means. And that he left early. I don't think you have the right to judge someone's opinion on a movie

if you didn't even watch the movie. Is warm garbage better or worse than hot garbage? I don't know. I just think if you walked out early in the movie, I've seen movies where... You haven't seen the movie. I've seen movies where the trailer lost me, the beginning of the movie lost me,

but the ending won me over. I've also seen a lot of movies where the movie was okay and then the ending really fucked it up. Exactly. Right. Yeah. But if you walked down, out early in the movie, then how do you know it was warm garbage?

Which, yeah, Phil, you brought that up. That's kind of weird. Could have been cold garbage. Yeah. Could have been just garbage. But everybody go check out Toboros Ellis' YouTube channel and his podcast, Student of the Game. All right.

Well, that was our quick listener feedback. Thank you, Brian. Welcome. Our show intro of course comes from Steve Carlton of the League of Geeks. Artwork is from Natsulani. And if you'd like to help us out, check out, go to Patreon and be a Patreon patron. There you go. We'll let you pick some movies for a future show at any amount.

And for $5 or more a month, also pick a commentary for a future bonus show. And if you have a chance, please give us a five-star Apple Podcast review. And are we still giving stuff away? Yes. Second Psycho-Gorman Blu-Rae to giveaway, the Shining Steelbook. And I decided, because I'm such a generous guy, to sweeten the pot, I picked up, of course, a copy for myself. But I also picked up a second copy. They just released the first Saw movie on 4K in a steelbook.

Oh, look at that. You guys can win some steelbooks, man. Go leave a review. I'm gonna make up a name. What are you waiting for? We've got like one review since we started the contest. Well, too, I guess. Four.

It's the first thing, she popped up in my head, spinning around. All right. So that's it for listener feedback. We shall move on to our featured attractions. Because we finally got to go to the fucking theater. Yes. The brand new spiral from the Book of Saw. And 2011's vile, which was interesting because I've never seen that one before.

I never even heard it. I hadn't either. Same here. So we'll start out with that one. Vile. Four friends are kidnapped by a madman and locked in a house with six other people. Each of the captives has to endure life-threatening torture to fill a device attached to their heads or they will be trapped inside forever. Or until they die. Oh wow, I just realized what you were saying there.

Was it a madman? I thought it was a great woman. No, no, dude. I'm still lost. I'm still a little confused. I felt like it was, we'll get there. It was like a corporation type thing. Yeah, I thought it was an organization.

Yeah, organization. There you go. Director is Taylor Sheridan, also known for Wind River. Oh. And the TV show. show Yellowstone, which I've also heard is awesome. So everything he's done is awesome, with the exception of two things

that I can now think of. The premise is cool. Writers are Eric J. Beck and Rob Kowalski. Wait. Calc. Kowseluk. Kalkal. Sure.

We will go with that one. Mike Wazzowski. Yes. The chemicals being collected. adrenaline, adrenaline, dopamine, and oxytocin are released when the body is in extreme pain. But like Sam suggested, they're also released during sex. So instead of torturing themselves, the members of the group

could have just had sex with each other to fill up the vials. Or, you know, jump out from behind a wall and scare each other. I was thinking the same thing. Their decision-making skills are not awesome in this way. Brian, you want to start it out for Vile? Yeah, I kind of enjoyed it. I mean, it was definitely low budget, you know. But I like the premise of this, like I said, no, it's been in the queue for a while.

That's why I kind of wanted to pair it up with spiral, the whole torture aspect of it. I'm a little surprised it went under the radar. Yeah, I was surprised. surprised to see who directed it because the things he's written and directed, and of course he was Deputy Hale in Sun's Anarchy.

Oh. I was just kind of like, wow, this must have been one of the earlier ones, and I believe this is Lance's first directorial movie. You know what? Brian, everybody has to start somewhere. Yeah, I didn't mind it. I thought

the decision making was very questionable. but I mean you do what you got to do in the situation that one the one chick she should have she should have just got the duration of it I don't know why they need to just go with her

I know that's like I feel I feel like she's the living embodiment of Black Christmas we're gonna bring that it's somebody else's fault all the time I'm definitely not just tired tire down to torture her

oh, hey, she wanted to do it to the one guy. The one guy that went first, she was like, let's just keep going on him. Oh, man. We voted. Trouble from the get-go, man. Yeah.

I know. That's... A hateable. Yeah, she was definitely hateable. There wasn't too many people that were really likable that I was really rooting for, so I just kind of want to see everybody get tortured.

Okay. I'm trying to find nice things to say about this movie. I'm trying to be more positive guys towards movies. That's good. That's a good thing. I did like the one guy, the black dude, because I felt like he had at least a good head on his shoulders for the majority of the movie.

The one from the group of friends or the one that was already in there? The group of friends. Okay, yeah. I felt like the other one, I felt like he had something to do with it. And then you come to find out he was new about the organization. I definitely knew the guy with the long hair was in on it. Oh, totally. Especially when it was revealed, he had all the scars all over his body.

Yeah, that was the giveaway. That was the tale for you, huh? Yeah, he was like, enjoy it. He was like the chick from Saw. Yeah. The Shawnee, whatever name is, the actress. Shawnee Smith or I don't know. Yeah, the one that was a victim of jigsaws and then she became an accomplice.

Oh, yeah. I kind of felt like that was what his whole deal was. And like I said, I dug the story. You know, they're trying to collect these chemicals to make these drugs and kind of wanted to see what the effects of the drugs were after people took them. Speaking of Mike Wazzowski, it's kind of just a grown-up version of Monsters Inc. What? Do they have doors that take you other places or what? No, but that's what they were doing.

They were getting the... Is it? The scares from the kids? Oh, that's right. That's right. You're right, man. And then they realized that laughter was even better, which, you know,

seems like sex would have been way better than ripping people's fucking fingernails off. Oh, man. Taylor, we're on to you. Yeah. Let's see where you got the premise from. But, yeah. I thought it was okay for what it was.

You know, like I said, definitely low budget. They, they work with what they had to work with. A lot of the actors and actresses, I can see. Haven't been in a lot of movies. I think a lot of, they were done a lot of TV. So I wasn't expecting, like, the best acting coming out of this movie. Yeah, there was a couple of them that were, like, kind of recognizable. Yeah.

And some of the- guy from that thing one time. I will say for a movie called Bile, I kind of felt like some of the torture was kind of tame. Yeah, they sort of kept rolling with the same thing over and over again. Yeah, except the one

bitchy chick, she kind of went off on that guy, was breaking his legs and all kinds of stuff. I do applaud her. You're trying to up that percentage on the board. And she got the cheese grater.

Oh, the cheese Cracker But yeah, I enjoyed it for what it was. I think that's probably a good description there. Because I didn't hate it either. It was definitely low budget. And there's so many, like, where I want to grab them and be like, what the fuck are you doing points in that movie?

Oh, when she fucking gave her boyfriend the best. pain pill? Yeah. How the fuck were you going to help him? Right. If they're going to torture someone until they get to a certain percentage, you're just lowering his pain intake. Yeah.

Just the fuck. Afterwards. And I believe she gave him more than one. Yeah. Or she ate one. Was she really pregnant? Yeah. They established that in the beginning.

And the only one who knew was her friend, the other girl. Yeah. Oh, okay. I must have missed that part because I thought she was just Bullshit, everybody. No, she was just saying it or not. No, she had told the friend because she didn't know how to tell her boyfriend. Oh, okay.

She didn't know how he was going to react to it. Well, and, you know, I feel like if somebody locked me in a house filled with tools, right? I'm going to find a way out of that motherfucker. Yeah, so many things. You're stabbing people in the kneecaps. You can't. get through the plywood on the window.

Yeah. See, I thought of that, but did they, did they mention about the, the kill thing? That they could hit a button and inject them with that. Well, yeah, that's true, because the one guy tried to try to take it off and dying instantly, right? Yeah. Yeah, after he yanked it out of his head, but, uh, I don't know. I feel like that would have been worth the risk. The way he was back.

I'd probably rather do that than I would think. My fingernails. Yeah, no shit. I think I'd at least try you. They have, what, did they have a whole 24 hours or something like that? 22 for, for fuck sake, dude. I would at least try, you know, jumping out from behind a corner and going, boo, over and over and over again and see, you know, give me a fucking break. I would have, oh, man, anything.

Try anything. There was a lot of moments where, like, their friends are dying and they're screaming, you know, and freaking to fuck out. And I'm like, how is that tick or not? going up right now. No shit. I thought the same thing. And yeah, it was only going up when they were actually being tortured. Do you know how much more painful it is after the torture when it's all setting in and your body's trying to heal? I always think that's been out of there in like two fucking hours if you do it right. Boiled up stuff. Yeah. Jesus guys, man. What a dumb what a dumb idea for a movie. I mean this type this type of film, this torture porn is not my

cup of tea anyway. But gosh, this is terrible. It's vile. It's, um, oh man, Taylor Sheridan, shame on you. I mean, he had to start somewhere. I'm sure this, this almost, was this maybe a college project? Has anybody researched this or fed out who backed this or how he got involved in this particular movie? Uh, we don't know, but like, okay. After, after, after you get passed that the, the, like, dumb decision making, what would I do in this situation? Even though, that's kind of what these movies are about. If you kind of turn your brain off on that and just be, okay, well, we got to roll with this. It's not a bad movie.

I kind of like the premise. I like where they went with it. You know, some of the stuff was kind of telegraphed at the end, but, uh... That one chick was frightening, the one in the video. Yeah, okay. Okay, guys. I got something to read whenever, whenever, you're already.

Oh, okay, yeah, go ahead. And I will say this. Some of the chicks in the movie were hot, so we got that going for it. Not one chick had a great rack, huh? The blonde? The one that lured them in? Well, no, I was thinking the one that was part of the group. Oh.

She wasn't bad either. No, the one that lured them in. Nah, that's my kind of movie right there. Taylor Sheridan, who went on to write Sicario and Heller High Water, and Ride Indirect Wind River is credit. as director on this film. However, he does not consider the film his directorial debut,

stating in a 2017 Rotten Tomatoes interview. I would say this, Wind River is my feature debut. A friend of mine raised, I don't know what he raised, 20 grand or something, and cast his buddies and wrote this bad horror movie

that I told him not to direct. He was going to direct it and produce it, and he started and freaked out, and call me and said, can you help me? I said, yeah, I'll try. I kind of kept the ship pointed straight, and they went off and edited and did what they did.

I think it's generous to call me the director. I think he was trying to say thank you in some way. It was an excellent opportunity to point a camera and learn some lessons that actually benefited me on Wind River. You know, yeah, because Wind River is like 15 levels away from this one. I don't like his statement. You directed to Boney on it. You directed it on up to it.

Yeah, dude. This, I think, I almost wanted to say it could have been like a cult classic eventually, but, you know, maybe if it was made in the 80s. Before Saw. Before on Monsters, Inc.

Which now you're, if I could get that stuck in my head, they totally ripped off both. Totally. In fact, wasn't this made right when the saw the quote-unquote final chapter had come out or whatever? Like, didn't the final, quote-unquote, the final Saw movie came out like in 2010, right? Or 2009 or something? I don't know. Because Saw started like 99, 2000.

I don't know. There's a hundred of those motherfuckers, too. And they're still going strong, right? Yeah. Oh, man. Silly. silly concept, silly premise, badly written, badly acted, nice looking young women. God, what else can we say, right?

All right, well, this ought to be interesting. Stupid decisions. Brian, we've got to bring back the stupid people segment, man. They never left. Why the fuck? I've not tried. Now that you guys mention it. I mean, and then the one guy who says, well, like you, maybe if we have sex, she's like,

like, fuck you, Pervo, blah, blah, blah, well, shit, would you rather, you know, get a little cock? Or would you rather get your fucking arm ripped off, you dumb bitch? Right. Come on. Jesus Christ, man. Horrible. And then, oh, man, yeah, this

it just feels like they didn't have to go straight to all the torture, right? Yeah, they just sort of embraced that whole thing all of a sudden, which didn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, that's a good word for it. I'd have been like, well... I guess we're all going to fucking die, huh?

Let's find a way out of here. Yeah, come on, man. I'm not, nobody's pulling my fucking fingernails out to hell with this bullshit. I'll kill myself first. Come on, Phil, just do it, and then it'll be my turn. Yeah, no, that's not, who fucking made this deal? That's not how this conversation goes in real life. We'll just all take turns.

We'll go two times each, and then the percentage will add up. Yeah. What a bad, what a bad twist, too, huh? You know how the torture works in this one? I knock all of you motherfuckers out, figure out a way out of this goddamn house. I'm going to go find that buck-tooth old-ass woman and break her... I thought that was stupid at first, man. She was terrible.

She was... That was... She made me mad just when she popped up on the screen. I'm like, oh, fuck that bitch. Terrible. All right, well, let's do scores on this one. We're going to go in reverse order because I want to hear what Lance has to say. I didn't. I mean, it sounds like I just totally hated it, right?

But I didn't. I had a little bit of fun with it, you know. I mean, there were a couple of scenes where sort of cringed a little bit. That's always good when a movie can make you do that. So I'll give it three. It's three on ten. Ooh, all right. well that's probably a pretty legitimate score although i think

the budget was probably like a one and they did what they could with it i've seen some low budget movies that are way the fuck worse than this so i'm gonna go six man i kind of enjoyed myself yeah yeah you bringing that up makes me think of two jennifer yeah and i think they definitely got the most of what they could what they had to work with So I'm going to give it a six and a half. Nice. Six and a half?

Yep. I gave it a six. Wow. Okay. It was like I have a lot of things to bitch about because if you're doing a movie like this, it's kind of hard. Because it makes you put yourself in that situation. What would I do in this situation? And it's easy for us from where we're sitting to say, oh, they should have done this.

They should have done that. I get it. But. Still stupid. that's the only problem I have with it is when they put me in that situation, I'm going to go, oh, that's dumb. Let's don't do that. But, you know, if you roll with it, I think it was well done. Look on the bright.

Do Taylor Sheridan. Maybe we'll all wake up. Maybe we'll all stop to help somebody get gas when we're going to Texas Frightmare and end up in the house and we'll get to survive because we'll know what to do. well as soon as she comes back to the car in a gas mask but not that that's where it starts make good decisions from the beginning stupid people the movie huh yeah

but hey Taylor Sheridan polishing that turd all right on to our new one spiral from the book of saw is that the official name of the movie yeah I don't know I didn't see a book, though.

All right. A criminal mastermind unleashes a twisted form of justice and spiral the terrifying new chapter from the book of saw. That's a good point. There's no fucking book of saw. Why do we keep using this term?

Is there like a manual you can like download from internet? How to make those rude Goldberg machines? Yeah. Director is Darren Lynn Boosman, also known for Saw's 2, 3, and 4. And writers are Josh Stolberg and Pete Goldfinger. Say it.

Say it, Philip. I like gold. And my dog is crying. I'm sorry. Marley, shut up. Chris Rock is a fan of the Saw films and pitched the idea the Lionsgate. As a result, they made him both an executive producer and storywriter.

Ah! Chris Rock is the one that had the line in Jane Silent Bob that said, why don't you executive produce me a latte? The crackenaded. Oh, he did! He sure as fuck did, man. And God knows there's a lot of fucking pop culture movie references in this one, huh? Yeah.

Y'all catch all that? How many of them did you catch? I definitely caught the New Jack City one. that one was very very obvious but did you catch the um well they had uh the talk at the beginning ron reminded it was very tarentino-esque right reminded me a lot of like when they're sitting on the table and the forest gump conversation yes he made so much sense yeah i'm jumping in i'm sorry guys no that's cool uh okay well here let me finish this up with the theaters across the world closed Morris Gump, too.

I love that line. With theaters across the world closed due to the outbreak of COVID-19, Lionsgate pushed back the release date from May 15th, 2020 to May 21st, 2021. On March 24th, 2021, it was announced that the film would be released on May 14th, 2021 instead. I don't know what the fuck is different. Whatever, a week made, but... So they pushed it back a year and onto the movie. Lance? Oh, my thoughts on this movie.

I enjoyed it. I had a blast at the movie theater with this experience, although I'm not quite sure what I think about the movie itself. I'm not quite sure how I feel about the story. I'm not quite sure how I feel about Chris Rock in that particular role and other people in the roles that they're in. I you know what

I just wanted to get to the goddamn movie theater and this was like like I was saying this is my fourth one to see since I restarted my AMC card but this was far in a way the funnest experience

because you got some great trailers the wife came with me she obviously wish she hadn't pretty short on her but I like I gotta be really careful with spoilers I think

on this one So I thought a lot of the kills were really well done. Great makeup effects. Great special effects on so many of the kills, which you've got to, I mean, that's what you're there for, right? You're there to cringe and to just kind of look at it happening and think that it's happening to you

and just think how you would feel to be in that situation. And I thought they just did a slam bang job on that. I think that, again, I love the little references. I love the one item that when Chris Rock sees it and it reminds you of something in the first movie but then he sees something different Oh yeah Okay

I thought it was pretty ingeniously written I mean I'm not a big fan of saw movies at all I like the first one a lot And from there just fucking to me went downhill Each movie was worse than the one before it And I think this might breathe a little new life into it I like the new iconography the pig mask, the puppet and all that kind of stuff.

And it's just kind of going in a different direction, which I enjoyed. But I probably had a lot more fun with a movie than, you know, I would have if I just caught it like off Netflix or something like that, I guess. Oh, 100%. What do you guys think? Yeah, I totally agree with you on that one, especially the Netflix thing. Like, if this had been on Netflix, it'd be a totally different kind of review. More.

great cast I love Chris Rock I think he works in this in this role but I and there was sort of some saw aspects to it but I don't know

how much of a sequel this really is except oh well I guess I can't get too into it I not to jump didn't be to cut you off or anything but I believe

they're not really calling this a sequel this is a new they're saying new chapter Yeah, but Okay Well, we'll get more into that in spoilers And there was definitely some cheese In the movie

Like there's a scene where Like, you know Chris Rock is the cop And he gets into it with some of his other colleagues And one of them screams in his You're too close to this case like it came off as a bad law and order episode you know

but uh and and some of the kills I have questions on we'll get into that too it's another sort of what would you do in this situation and they didn't they didn't pull me in like the original saw did you know

because I feel like there was a couple of them where maybe they wouldn't have worked out that way, but for it being in a movie. Yeah, got to suspend disbelief a little bit. Yeah, yeah. But still definitely enjoyed myself. It definitely

wasn't bad. Had Chris not Rock not been in it, we may have had a problem, but I think he pulled it up a couple of matches. I loved it. I thought this was a new fresh take. I thought they definitely, this wasn't

a sequel. This was a new chapter in this universe. I actually wouldn't mind seeing if they, because I think they are doing another movie after this, that it would be a totally different killer. Like maybe there is like a, we didn't see it, spoiler.

But maybe there is a book of saw and he has disciples carrying out his work. Okay, and that's not spoiling anything by saying that. That makes perfect sense. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot they could do with it. Yeah, that was going to be one of my questions. I was like, so is the killer and this one going to be the killer?

Like, how are we working this? I mean, you can go anywhere with this. You can, because I believe, again, spoiler real quick, I believe they dropped a line in the movie saying it's not jigsaw, it's just another copycat. Yeah. Just another copycat. So he could have referenced that there could have been

other murders like this. Oh, maybe. I think that's a smart idea. One of my biggest worries going in this was Chris Rock because of what I know Chris Rock as and grown up

with his comedy. Well, you got plenty of comedy, that's for sure. Yeah, it was more sublime, but you got it. It worked for me. He worked as this detective.

I love his banter with his partner back and forth. Yeah. I loved his, his banter with the cops that he didn't necessarily like. I love that banter back before.

I felt like Sam Jackson wasn't overused. I think he was used just enough in a movie. Yeah. Although, and you know, if you were to think of, well, if we were to stick Chris Rock in a movie and who could be his, Sam L. Jackson, a fucking

course. That's... What else was that? It has to be his dad. It's great. Great casting. I do. We'll get into spoilers. I do have an issue with the way the traps played out.

Yeah, there's what I'm talking about. Yeah. But I hear what you say about that. Yeah. I do think they were more practical. Yeah. They looked painful as hell. They weren't too intricate, you know.

Yeah. When you got into the late. I think I liked all the traps, man. Because when you got into the later saw movies, you were like, how the fuck did you have time to set all this up? Yeah. I think this one was a little bit more realistic. I guess as far as the movie goes. And I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it in the theater. This is my first time back in the theater and over a year. And it's good to be home. All right. Good to be home. Let's do scores real quick. And then we'll hit some spoiler territory.

Brian? I give it a 8. Yeah, nice. Wow. It's a good score. I can't go 8, but I'm going to give it a 6.5. 6.75. How about that? I'll take it. It's great, man.

Yeah. Lance, what do you think? That's real close to what I was thinking, man. I've definitely two-thirds good for me, and I don't even like this kind of movie. Again, I like the first saw, and for there it went to shit. It took a complete shit the bed after the first one for me.

But yeah, like I said, this one kind of hits the reset button. I'll give it six and a half. I had fun watching this one. Nice. Look at that. Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Spoilers. All right. You want me to jump in? Hell yeah. Okay.

It sounds like it's something to say. Yeah. The way the traps played out, I don't necessarily felt like the killer was going by what Jigsaw, his whole purpose of killing people. I felt like all these dirty cops. I like that it was the dirty cops, and I love like the thing, the guy with the tongue, because he was always taking a witness stand lying under oath. Yeah. The guy with his fingers is because he used those fingers to hold the trigger or killing innocent people.

I like those setups, but I don't ever felt like they was ever meant to get out of those traps and learn something. I always felt like they were meant to die. And I don't think that's not what was his name, John Kramer. That's not what he set out to do. Very good point. And I think if you just. I think if you just smashed somebody's tongue in some sort of weird vice or whatever, dude,

it's not going to yank their whole fucking tongue out of their mouth. Yeah. Like, that's not the way your tongue is shaped. Takes a lot of work to do that, huh? He said they're jumping up and down for like 30 minutes, hoping the train gets, it's a homeless person or something before it gets to do it.

That's a pretty easy decision. Just jump. Yeah. It's not yanking your whole tongue out. It's going to hurt for a minute and then you're fine. Because he clearly said take a leap of faith and jump. Right. Yeah.

And the guy was just kind of... Taking a quicker leap. And then the fingers thing also. Like he's... You got him in like Chinese finger traps. That shit's going to rip off before your fingers pull apart. That doesn't make sense. That was my problem with these traps.

I was like, man, I don't think that that's the way that would work at all. again, Reub-Goldberg Contractions, right? But they weren't even that intricate. They were, but they shouldn't. They worked perfectly. They worked perfectly, Philip, but they shouldn't. Yeah.

He did just a really shitty job of restraining people in this one. Right. But I did kind of like that, because it did show that he, because John Kramer was, I believe he was some kind of, I don't know, uh, if you watched a later saw a movie, you can see he he liked to build things. Yeah, definitely some kind of engineer or something. Yeah, there you go.

And you can tell by these traps, this guy wasn't. Mm-hmm. They were more cruder, I would say. Nor did he know anything about the human fucking body. These don't work. Set me up in a trap where you've got my fingers in a Chinese finger trap. And you expect them to pull off my hand because that's not going to work. I did.

I did like the one with the hot wax. Yeah, well, why did she get hot wax? Just because she was so hot looking that they figured she was going. No, she was supposed to lean back against the blade to sever her spinal cord. Because she never, she knew about all the dirty stuff and walked away. So his whole thing was sever your spine so you cannot walk away no more. That's why I said, that's why I said about it. A lot of these, I kind of, I like the idea in the beginning, but the execution, I kind of just felt like you were never.

No kidding. You can't fucking win. I did, I did for a second think she was still alive when he peeled that wax off. Yeah, wax on, wax off, huh? Well, and it's not like he gave her a whole lot of time. And then, I mean, what are your options in that one? let me lay down on this blade and sever my spinal cord. That doesn't sound super fucking fun.

I'd take my chances with the wax over. Yeah. See, that's why it goes back to my only problem. I don't think he necessarily followed the book. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back in a sequel and maybe somebody punishing him. You think? Because that's the disciples in the original franchise.

They were punished. for making traps for people to not get out of. Because that's not the whole point of the trap. Ah, okay, I see what you're getting out. Okay. I hope they roll with that. That's a good idea. There you think so.

Give me some writer credit. Maybe they're listening to our show. Possibly. I'm sure they'll be... My motherfucking movie check. There you go. Hey, obviously the CDC was listening to us, so... Yeah, right.

Man, the way this... This movie is... was a lot, I don't know, it was a lot darker than I thought it was going to be. I didn't think as many people were going to die. Do you guys get that at all, or did you all, or did y'all kind of expect it to go that way? I kind of

felt like they were going to go a little bit more darker tone. I felt like the later saw movies, even though there was a lot more killing, which the horrible CGI in those last ones. Right. Yeah. I felt like they were kind of goofy.

you know what I mean? I do exactly what you mean. And I felt like if any comedy was going to come out in this movie, it was going to come from Chris Rock because he knows how to deliver a line comedically. So he could deliver it and not make you, oh, this isn't a horror movie. This is a comedy. No, he did it just right in this movie. No, I agree.

I agree. Yeah, he delivered everything perfectly. He had the timing and the beats down exactly right. And I mean, God knows, guys, we hear. not experts in saw movies. All you have to do is flashback to horror trivia night

when we were at Texas Frightmare with Ricky and Danny. We've got like what, what, two questions right out of 20? Did we? Maybe. Maybe one. I didn't know if we got anywhere. It wasn't great.

It wasn't our finest moment, was it? I felt confident with the group, but then when he talked about brought up the Saw franchise. Everybody just kind of looked at each other like, oh, shit. And then you had Michael Felscher up there in the final shootout with that other dude. And Felscher was like, his team member misses the question,

he gives him a look like, what the fuck? Oh, man, good times, huh? We got to get back to some conventions. I think, damn, I wish Nez had been here tonight. I think he experienced something in Vegas, didn't he? Yeah, he went to, what is the convention? Days of the Dead in Vegas. That's right.

Oh, nice. And I think from looking at Instagram, I think he went to the, they had the actors and actresses from Nightmare on Elm Street 3. Nice. See, and you guys would definitely be, like, I'll stand on the sidelines and y'all can be the trivia team because I can't remember my keys sometimes. kids and I drink a lot. What do you want? That happens to all of us, man. Happens to all of us.

All right. I think that's it was saw. Definitely. We never talked about the big twist or the big reveal that AJ saw coming really early on. I saw it too. Did you see? I guess I'm just fucking naive because I don't know. I was thinking, I was really thinking that Sam

MLL Jackson and the lady that was the department head were in on it together. No, well, I knew they were. Well, until of course they captured her. Yeah, I knew they were in on something together, and I knew that whole, when he went to open a warehouse door and he kind of looked back, almost at the camera and kind of glared. I was like, oh, you want us to think he's a killer, but he's probably not. Right. And then the whole reveal when he, Chris Rock got that box and it had the skin with the tattoo on.

I was like, you wanted us to focus on that tattoo earlier for a reason. Like the Big Lebowski with the toe. That's exactly what AJ said. I seen it coming, but I liked how they linked it to the guy getting killed

that was going to testify. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. It was a fun, it was a fun movie. I just, I guess I'm stupid, man. And that's a good thing, man. That's a gift, right?

You actually get surprised when you see somebody show up and they're the killer and you were thinking it was going to be somebody else. Of course, obviously, it couldn't have been the department head after the wax job and it couldn't have been Samuel L. after the puppetry thing. Well, once you were there, you knew who it was. But yeah, I figured it probably wasn't Samuel L. Jackson, but then I wasn't even looking for who the killer was. So it's not like it surprised me when he popped up, but it didn't not surprise me either. Yeah, there was a lot of looks on people's faces where I think they wanted you to think it was like the one guy.

Yeah. Okay. I forgot what his name. I think he lived throughout the movie. Mm-hmm. They kept focusing on him, I think, trying to make you think it was him. And I'm like, it's not going to be him either.

Too obvious. Okay. It's always the nice guy that you least expect. The Boy Scout. Well, well played, Brian, well played. And the puppet, I believe, name is Mr. Snuggles.

Is it really? I think so. Jesus Christ. So, yeah, I think I'm okay with the puppet thing. Uh-huh. I don't hate the voice. It's not near as scary, but it's still creepy.

Right. Yeah, I like the mask. I like the new iconography. It's pretty cool. I think it might even be a step up from the original saw. I don't know. I guess we'll find out in time, right? It'll be interesting to see where they go with it.

And if they keep that up, or if that was just his particular, you know, maybe they each have a different puppet or whatever. I guess we shall find out, right? An army of saw puppets. Like the puppet master, right? Yeah, there you go. And then Charles Band will direct the next one. All right.

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stream fiends Brian? Stream fiends. We have the night I believe it's 1984 is cloak and dagger. Ah, yeah, filmed in San Antonio. Yep. And action returns. We have the new

Amazon Prime release, Tom Clancy's No Remorse, with Michael B. Jordan. Oh, how was that? And I haven't watched it yet. You'll have to listen. I'm hearing great. things about it. Is it a series or a film? It's a movie.

I got to check it out then. Yeah. And there will be a wrestling returns this week sometime, maybe. Okay, well I think I'm about to go check out the Michael B. Jordan movie because I've been wanting something

that wife and I can both watch so I think that'll fit the bill. So next week it's the Year in Horror 1986 Part 1. Uh, those year I graduated from high school to date myself. Uh, let's see, we're going to do Poultergeist 2, the other side, and deadly friend. Is that it? Just two movies, or am I missing one, Brian?

No, too. We're... Okay. Gonna make the, the year in horrors two, two movies each. All right, well, we've got to get all that feedback in, right? Yeah. Yes. All right. Fair enough. Philip, until the horror returns again.

Buenos noches. which didn't really make sense with these movies. Let's play a game, or whatever he says.