The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #268: The Year In Horror 1986, Part 2: Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer & Manhunter

Episode Date: July 11, 2021

This week, Marcey Papandrea from The Super Network joins us as we talk about Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer and Manhunter. Cool of the Week includes Loki, Fear Street, Them, and Black Widow. Trailers this week are No Man of God and What If? The podcast spotlight shines on Hellbent for Horror. We get six brand new 5-star Apple Podcasts reviews from KateAddy1, treetoowon, KookiCookies, Rickyratbrat, gerkins1975, and Witchywoman1987. And we get feedback from Tim Davis, Shari Pierre, Jonathan CT Steele, Scott Crawford, Daeron Wilson, Steven Lowblad, Lars From Denmark, Matt Wood, Kate Pollock, Matt Jones, Cameron Sullivan, Phillip Perron, Bede Jermyn, Don Anelli, and Cindy Sanabria. Folks, we can't begin to express our gratitude for all the awesome feedback and emails! And of course, Thanks for listening!  

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In celebrating the old and the new The best and the worst in horror All right, welcome back one in all To The Horror Returns I'm dance And with me as always is my co-host Brian. So. And we're not alone, though, because tonight we're joined by a very special guest.

It is Super Marcy herself in the midst of like seven podcasts recording in a row, right? Yeah, something like that. I'm the busiest person who's unemployed. Unemployed? How the fuck can you be unemployed in Australia? a disability with a, you know, a chronic pain condition and no one wants to hire you. So I have to whore myself out with podcasts and shit. Oh, God.

Oh, my God. All right. You get a trophy husband who can make the money. And Steve Irwin's gone, so that's out of the question. Yeah, I know, right. God damn it. You've got to stick with someone who can support my crazy. So what all are you recording tonight, today, midday, whatever time it is for you there?

Yeah, well, before like coming on The Horror Returns, I was on, I did a guest spot on a podcast called Cage Rage, which is obviously all about Nicholas Cage, someone we all love very dearly. So I was very excited to do that. And then, yeah, I've got to record my Patreon exclusive. after dark, which I know you guys have given a shout out to. It's the very adult podcast, so you're not supposed to wear pants when you listen. So give it, give us a sneak peek. What are you going to be talking about this week on after dark? Well, this week, if all goes according to plan, I'll be chatting with our good friend Tim from Horror for Dummies. And we're going to, we're going to talk about sex for dummies.

I mean, that's what I at least, I think it's going to end up turning out, so we'll see. But, yeah, no, we've got, because we're trying to stay ahead of schedule, so we'll be recording, you know, this week. We'll be recording the Osloids cast, which is the deep dive series. We've been and I started about Ossploitation films. And then, you know, we've got our monthly fan-voted commentary. coming up as well, which will be goes live next week, and that one we did Troubled Production,

so we'll be talking about the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which is actually a film my dad fucking loves for some reason. What a terrible, terrible movie. It's not great. It's enjoyable for the wrong reason. Great pass, terrible film. I know, right? But yeah, it should be fun.

We always have lots of crazy shit going on at the super podcast as to you guys with Brian doing about 100 podcasts as well so yeah all good fun well Brian I know that NAS is out tonight because of his internet's down they're having a like a monumental heat wave in that in that part of the country or is any of that are you lucky enough for any of that global warming heat wave to be hitting Alaska right now yeah the opposite kind because it is not sunny raining and very miserable outside. Oh, yeah.

That's pretty much Melbourne normally. Oh, man. But we're in the midst of winter. We're having one of the coldest fucking winters right now. I want 108 degrees. I mean, you know, back in my like hometown of Adelaide, it just doesn't really get that cold there. And we'd have like, you know, heat waves of like, you know,

over 100 degrees for two weeks. and I used to work in, you know, dry cleaners, and it would be twice as hot in there because we had no air conditioning. We're working in steam, and I'd go outside in the, you know, 104 heat to cool down. I'm not as good as dealing with the heat as I was then, but I want it so bad now. I hate the cold. I hate this much cold. Oh, man.

Well, you don't have too long to wait. You guys will be in the summer when we're in winter, so, you know. Melbourne will warm up at like December instead of September. That's so strange. Yeah. We're the stupidest fucking area. I wonder what all the flat earthers think about this. Like, do they think we're just bullshitting right now or what?

Yeah, no, we're imagining like everything. Reason, do we need a conspiracy to trick the world into thinking the world's flat? what do we get out of us makes no sense all right well marcy you know how the show works we start out with with Cula the week

I'm sure you have several right and are they all Nicholas Cage involved or? I wish they were necessarily something that's on a movie or anything Nicholas Cage levels of rage over you guys

just not Perra's long-lost film The Amusement Park. Oh, I'll talk about it here in a few minutes. Because Bede gave it five out of five. He thought it was brilliant. Masterstroke of cinema. I'm so happy. Oh, my God. So guys I know who do podcast and videos stuff in Australia,

they did a reaction video and they, you know, had the same feelings as you guys. And I sent it to Big. He was so angry. And then when I heard you guys, I think it was Brian and Philip and you had a guest on. I can't remember his name. Just were like, what the fuck was this? And then the land's like, oh, my God, Bees Rage is giving me life.

Okay, I'm putting in the notes. Beed's rage. Okay. Bede is my best friend. He's my co-host. But he's so adorable when he gets angry. What did he love about that so much? he explain it to you? Like, are we missing something?

Brian, we're missing something. He just thought, you know, it's like this, you know, really well-teld story and how he sort of metaphorically does all this stuff. You know, I think he's got a review on what's called Letterbox. Okay. So he fucking in love with this. It's not really, I don't really think it's a movie. It's a PSA because that's what it fucking is. Yeah, he's just fucking obsessed. And any time.

it's angry it's funny I love you beat I love you so much love you love bead rage over whatever you need mate you're the nicest person in the world so you're allowed but I'm guessing the amusement park is not your cool of the week

no to all I really fucking loved Loki this week phenomenal fucking episode loving loving the show not at all what I was expecting It's been really good, a lot of fun to watch. And yeah, Brian, you obviously watched. I don't know if you've been watching it as well, Lance.

I just finished episode four before we came on the air. Oh, so you got one more to go. Yeah, and then the finale Wednesday. See, that's what I hate about this. You have to fucking wait until Wednesday for six. So now, do I watch five tomorrow? Do I watch five Monday? Do I watch it Tuesday?

Now I'm in a conundrum. And this is what I was trying to avoid. Well, you know what? Back in, you know, the invention of TV, it wasn't until streaming services started making shows. I mean, we had to wait week for week for everything. We're just spoiled shit ads right now. That's true.

All of the week. Probably, I've only been doing, like, mostly podcasts, research in terms of watching. But, yeah, the Fear Street part two I thought was fantastic. I had just as much fun as part one, and I am just waiting so anxiously for part three. They're just good sort of like fun callbacks to the Fear Street books, which I read growing up. And, you know, throwback to like 90s slashes and 80s, 70s kind of horror. It's a lot of fun while telling this really interesting kind of central story.

So, yeah, they'd be my calls of this week. Yeah, Brian had a lot of good things to say about Pier Street. Are you caught up, Brian? Oh, yeah. Was the second as good as the first for you? I still kind of enjoyed the first one a little bit better, but they up the body count in the second one, and it was a good 70s summer camp slasher movie.

And, yeah, I love it. I'm waiting for, what is it, 1666? 16.66, yeah. Yes. Yeah. No, really, it just didn't even know, like, they were making this, and then suddenly a trailer and it's out soon. Like, whoa.

Right. Just straight up, you know? I didn't even, I didn't even think they were going to go R-rated with it either. Yeah. It was so much more brutal than I thought. And I actually tricked my trophy husband. And he kept watching part one. I didn't tell him it was horror.

I just said, oh, you know, you remember Fear Street? It's by R. L. Stein. He broke goosebumps. And I didn't say it was horror. Oh, my God. With the name Fear Street. What the fuck did he expect? He doesn't like horror.

He's very like, he can't stand the blood or anything. But he only looked away once. And I think, you know, what scene it is in part one. but he didn't really, he just cringed a lot in part two, so he's getting better. I'm like, well, it's taken four years, but you've watched, you know, some more horror with me, so I can't complain. I was going to say something about Feast Street Part 2 and then it, like, I lost it. Oh no, wait, yeah. One thing I don't understand, like, you get all those like summer camp, you know, horror movies,

but I've never been to camp or a camp. I don't get this whole camp thing at all. Like, during school when I was 10, we went on like a camp for a few days, and it was fucking horrible. I'm like, what is this shit? I've never understood. You've got all kinds of fucking snakes

and stuff coming at you, I'm sure. This is why we don't have some of the camps, obviously. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's sort of, like week-long camps, but we don't have like, you know, the three months off in summer. It's more like six weeks. And then, you know, when kids are in school, it's a term is like 10 weeks. And then they get two weeks off and then you're back for the next term kind of thing. I'm for like a long camp, but I don't know.

It's just never something I did. And I just don't fucking get it. They look horrible. And where are the adults? Are you leaving teenagers in charge of teens? ages and thinking nothing's going to go wrong. Beer Street. Hey, Brian, I've only got one this week.

Do you want me to jump in and get it out of the way? Because I'm sure you have several. Yeah, go ahead. I only got a couple. Although, actually, I do have a not-so-cool of the week. Because I promised you I would mention the amusement park again. I was going to say, it's a beach rage. What in the fuck?

What was I watching, guys? I mean, I was laughing at this. thing the whole way through for all the wrong reasons. This is atrocious. What the fuck is, does Bede see in this? I mean, are they trying to, they're trying to make some kind of social commentary, but it's like all the things they're doing to the elderly are done to people of all ages in this country.

I don't understand what makes it so special. I mean, shine the light on it for me, Marcy, because you talk to beat a lot. So what, what, what am I missing? I did watch it, and I haven't really said much about it, just because I don't want to piss beat off that kind of actual film, not a, you know, 50 minute PSA. Really interesting ideas, like how you've set up this amusement park to kind of reflect this elderly treatment. It's probably too on the nose. Like, I think it's very obvious what it's trying to do, like overly obvious. I think that's the problem.

Whereas you compare it to say the, you know, social commentary is that you find within like Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, for example, like, it's there, but it's not in your face there. This was in your veins injected, so obvious. And I think if it was dialed back with how obvious it was, I think there could have been something a lot more interesting and, hard hitting but there are parts where it is kind of really goofy funny so for me it's kind of a mixed bag I didn't think it was shit

but I didn't think it was fantastic I think it was just too like too obvious but again when you're looking at it you know 50 years later you're like but every

fucking person who is not a rich old white man basically gets treated like shit. I know. It's not just old people, is it? Everyone. And that guy at the beginning that gave the speech, that one day you too will be old. So think back as you reach your elder years.

Do you want to be treated like this? I'm like, I guess I'm missing the point. I don't know. Sorry, Bid. You're going to yell. You're going to send us all. kind of hate messages, but not my cup of tea. Wasn't your cup of tea?

Not my cup of tea. Middle of the road. I think I might actually rewatch it when I'm more awake. But yeah, those were the things that kind of struck out at me. Like, I love George Romero. He's one of my favorite filmmakers just for, you know, how unique and different a lot of the people. So, but I think this is just like, he didn't give a shit.

Like, they gave him the brain. and he was like... It seemed that way, didn't it? Yeah, he's like, what, everyone do it? The fuck I won, and then nobody fucking saw it. I... You know what, though? I will say this.

At least I got a laugh out of it. Guys, I've had the most, one of the most depressing weeks of my life. Between reading, I'm rereading the stand. I'm about a third of the way through that, and that is a dark, dark and depressing. book. One of the films

we're going to talk about tonight, very, very dark, very depressing. And I did know if I was going to bring this up, quite frankly, but there's an Amazon series. Marcy, I don't know if you guys get the same series on Amazon there.

Have you had a chance to see them? No, I happen, but it is it is out here. I think most of the sort of Amazon-produced stuff comes out at the same time here. In some reason here. Okay. But no, I have seen like the trailers and stuff, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

So you did watch this one. You know what? Usually for my Cool of the Week, Brian, and you could attest to this. I try to bring up something that's fun. You know, something that I have. lot of, you know, enjoyment watching. Something with Dane Dahan. Or something with Dane Dahan.

Or Dian. Speaking of Dane, Dhan, I did watch him in something, and all I could think about was a horror returns. Oh, God. And he was going fucking fanatic levels

insane as well. He's a rising star. He's he could be the next Nick. He could be the next Nick Cage, Brian. He fucking caught me, actually. Oh, whoa, I don't know about that. He's got a long way ago. He could go crazy, but he's not

a lot more heroin to inject before he gets to that level, huh? Yeah. I mean, it's not like cage level, but you know, it's a very sort of cage-esque like lunacy. I don't know how to say the title. Is it

Lissy? Lisi? story. Oh, Brian, help me out here. That's also based on a Stephen King world. I think it's Lizzie. Lease? Yeah, once I watch more episodes,

I'll probably work out how to say it, but yeah, that's going to be the next topic for the King's Zone. And then obviously, I'll be talking about the stand after that. So you just decided to reread it, didn't you? Yeah, that's why I'm rereading it. That's on you when it's so dark. Oh, my God.

You know what? And I'm so glad I'm rereading it too, because as I started the new miniseries, the Paramount Plus version, I thought, wow, they just got it spot on. They just left out oceans of character development. I mean, you just can't get the same thing for a book. But when I opened my nook, it said 56 hours, 42 minutes. to complete the reading. And I'm a third done. And that's, I mean, I've taken a couple of full days to get that far.

So there's just so much in that book. But no, the reason that I bring up them, Marcy, and Brian, I know you've seen it. And I think you mentioned it to me first, actually. It's not the feel good show of the year, for sure. But I think everyone needs to watch this show. I honestly feel in my heart that this is something that's one of the most, one of the most important works, one of the most important, you know, shows that I've seen in a really, really long time. And it's, I could see how certain people might watch it and become defensive and think that they're trying to say things literally that perhaps they're not trying to say as on the nose as you think. But you guys were talking about the amusement part being way too on the nose and like, you know, overly.

So this is the exact opposite. It's incredibly artfully done. If you think about it, it's haunting me so much that I do want to go back and rewatch it from the perspective of knowing how it ends now. And it took me up to episode five to understand what was really going on and understand why some of the shots that they had in some of the early episodes were there and things like that. You know, I don't want to give anything away at all, but I do, I've gone out of my. a way to avoid what I would consider trauma porn type films. Or, for example, a Serbian film. What's that one?

100 days of solemn or something like that. Where they have to eat shit? Help me on. It's, uh, what do they, you get? They eat shit. There's food laced with fucking razors in that movie. Just so, so much misery that I, I, I, I, I won't put myself through it. I refuse to.

So this particular show, I started watching it because it was on Amazon. It was recommended to me about several people and didn't know what was going in the first three or four episodes. But once you get about halfway through the series, you're kind of to the point where things start happening that just really hurt you. And it's incredibly, incredibly painful to watch, particularly as the show progresses toward the end. but then once you start realizing what it's trying to say, and you understand particularly one episode that is sort of like a flashback episode, and then when you think the title of it is Covenant, and you start thinking about what that means,

and you hear a particular line from a particular character in the second to last episode, it's just, I don't know, I would say it's one of the most brilliantly written series that I've watched in many a year. I don't know if it's going to be my top. Actually, the stand might be because I enjoyed that so much, but it's up there. I mean, if you want to feel every possible emotion you can feel and just put yourself through absolute and complete hell,

but come out at the end and realize that you feel like you've just learned so much and you've seen some perspectives that you really hadn't taken into account before. It's just a brilliant, brilliant piece of art. It really is. Marcy, you've got to watch it. So you've got to throw some love to it. Damn, it's cool of the week. All right, is that it, Lance?

Yeah, I think between the amusement park and them, I had enough abuse for one week, Ann. Okay. Excuse the sounds in the background. It's my asshole neighbor, constantly mowing his lawn. In the snow. this

fucker never I mean he doesn't give his chance his grass a chance to grow I mean talking but we don't get along so I think it's at a spite

he just does it yeah come on Brian Brian last week you said and I quote I love everyone even my neighbors except

yeah except him except that fair enough Fair enough Okay Fear Street was one of my Cools of the week, but I'll go with my other one.

I checked out Black Widow the other night. Not the best Marvel movie, but it was fun to watch. It's great to see her back in the role. There was a lot of good action. A lot of good characters introduced. They did do the, if you've heard me speak of my opinions on what they do. Marvel does with their villains.

They did do one of those things. really pissed me off because I was excited for the villain and I didn't like where they went with it but had a lot of fun with it and yeah you've been keeping up with the the Marvel series I know Lance you just caught up so the the end teaser will you'll you'll understand the end teaser it sets up something else with another character and I think that's all I also checked out that movie Sensor. You guys heard of that one? Yeah. Yeah. How is that? It's set in the video Nasty's period. And very

great-looking movie visually. You do kind of figure out where the movie's going halfway through, or at least I did. But I really enjoyed the way it ended. And if you get a chance to check out Sensor, it's a pretty good one. So is it a British film then? Yes.

Video Nasty is a bloody British thing. Yeah. It's on, I've already actually made my list for 31 days of horror for October, so it's on the list. Ah, okay. I've got to wait a few months, but I will be watching it. We're going to do that again this year, Brian? Of course. Of course.

All right, I'll probably watch censor before that, though, because I have it available to me. I'll put it to you that way. Okay. So, yeah, that's a slow week for me. Oh, I checked out a couple episodes of Resident Evil, Infinite Darkness. The animated one? Yeah, I don't like it.

Ugh, too bad. The animation kind of takes me out. I thought they build it as an anime, but it's more like the video game kind of animation. Yeah. And I just was, I didn't care. I didn't, it was taking me out. And then the story was just, I'm more looking forward to Netflix's live action series that they're doing.

So I'll probably just wait for that. I don't know if I'm going to finish this or not. Netflix is doing a live action series. Yeah, they're doing a live action series. And I believe there's a movie also coming. And they're supposed to be, it's like a revamp, you know, faithful to the video game. Okay.

So I don't recognize a lot of the cast. I know Lance Reddick's in it. He's one of the main actors, so... Mm-hmm. Like him, so... I think that's it. Yeah, slow week for Brian, man. All right, Brian.

Well, maybe you'll turn it up a notch with a few horror headlines. What do you think? Yeah. This first one caught a lot of people by surprise. I meant to mention it last week, but Lovecraft Country was canceled after one season. See, that goes totally against what I heard,

because I heard a rumor that they were going to do a second season but go in a different direction. Go ahead. No, I guess they changed their minds, huh? The HBO did. The creators, they had season two mapped out. There was going to be alternate realities. there was going to be zombies.

They had like a whole thing planned, and HBO just pulled the plug. The good news is there's plenty of other networks out there. Yeah. Fans of the Witcher, season two is coming in December on the 17th, and they also announced

two prequel, one prequel movie and one prequel series. The movie will be an animated movie titled Nightmare of the Wolf and the prequel series will be titled The Witcher Blood Origin and will star Michelle Yao. Hmm. Okay. Never, never seen it or played the game. What about you, Marcy?

Yeah, same. I should. I mean, Henry Capo is very delicious. And he has shock, wide hair, right? Oh, he is. He is good in it. I did see the first season. He is good in it. Yeah?

Yeah. Never play the game, though, so I don't understand the references. Yeah. I haven't played the games or anything, but I know where he could toss his coin. Save that for After Dark, right? I'd just be dirty somewhere in this podcast. Okay, let's see. Peacock is going to be the home.

There we go, Varsi Peacock. Peacock. It's a fun word to say. Poppycock. That's what they should call it, Poppycock. The Poppycock Network. Universal, their movies coming out of the theaters will be exclusive to Peacock in 2022. I did say that.

Okay. Also. So anybody that has stars coming in 2020, 22, Lionsgate will be their exclusive home. Oh, okay. Interesting. A lot of theaters picking streaming sites. So streaming wars continue. Yeah.

This goes with our review from last week. Frank Grillo may return to the Purge franchise. guys. You guys were just pining away for him last week. You and Philip both, I think. I love Frank Rillo. I saw him

in something recently, and I didn't even realize that was him. What was it? Was it something that we watched for the podcast a few weeks ago? Yeah, what was it? Fucking saw him in something. I'm like, is that Frank Rillo? My soul to take.

He was like, the sheriff or something. That's the one. That's the one. Yeah, you guys revisiting that film also got B so enraged because he's like, a movie is shit. Is that what he said? Sorry. I haven't rewatched my soul to take for a while, but I fucking hated it when I saw it.

I, A, sorry, but I remember truly hating that movie and rewatching that movie and rewatching. it, I kind of had fun with it. Yeah, I may be curious to watch it again now. I missed that. Vampire in Brooklyn. I missed that show, guys.

I was out of town that weekend, but I watched both films, and at least I got a few laughs out of Vampire and Brooklyn. So, the vomiting California condoer in the classroom kind of fucking jump the shark for me in that one. Okay, let's see.

kind of threw in a couple other things here. This one's not in horror, but Lance, or no, Phil, you were talking, he was talking about the Tomorrow War. Oh, yeah, that's right. They're developing a sequel, so.

It was quick. Yeah, he didn't really sell me on the movie. Not really, huh? Even though he said it was good, he did not sell me on it at all. I think Nas loved it. Ness said,

in Ness's words, that movie was fucking awesome. Okay, so it gets the Nes seal of approval, which, as we all know, could mean one of two things. And finally, oh, go ahead.

It could be brilliant, or it could be the next amusement part. I wonder if he's seen the amusement part. Nez, let us know. I'm sure he has. It might be on the B train with that movie. I doubt it I hope not

Well you never know with Ness As Phillip likes to say Never can figure that guy out And our last little bit of news The screen movie has officially wrapped It was 100% done But we will not get it until January Okay

Well All we'll be up to be thinking about it All we know is it will be 100% better than Scream 3, Lance. Scream 3 was the best of the series, man. You are high right now.

Not nearly, not nearly as good as the Pet Cemetery remake, but not bad. We have our opinions. It's okay for you else to be wrong. That's what they like to tell me. Are we done

with the news? You're ready for trailers? Yes, sir. Marcy, you're ready to take a trip? Oh yeah, let's go to the trailer park. All right, Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What do we have going on this week, man?

The first one we're going to talk about is the new Ted Bundy movie, No Man of God. This is coming from Elijah Woods Spectrevision. It's also stars Elijah Wood, Luke Kirby, Alaska, Padet Palladino. This is where I start fucking up people's names. And Robert Patrick, directed by Amber Sili

and written by Kit Lesser. Marcy, do we need another Ted Bundy movie? Probably not. This one does look, like, it does seem very different, but look, I love Elijah Wood.

But for some reason, I think he's aging backwards because in this trailer, he looked fucking 12. I just, I couldn't look past the fact. Yeah, I could not look past the fact that he

looks 12 again. Yeah, he looked like he's not old enough to be interviewing Ted Mundy. Yeah, I'm like, why is a 12 year old interviewing a serial killer? Something's off here. But Luke Kirby, I think,

is Ted Bundy? Like, he looks great. Like, I think he looks like it's going to be a good performance. And it's sort of, like, I guess, you know, that's sort of Hannibal Lecter-ish type of, you know, thing going on. It looks interesting, but do we, how much more Ted Bundy do we need? And why does Elijah Wood look 12 again? As far as school paper.

Oh, no. I mean, it was freaking. me out that he looked so young. What I did for my summer vacation, huh? I interviewed Ted Bundy. When I was 12. Lance? I was pretty surprised, quite frankly.

I had no idea that this had anything to do with Ted Bundy. And the way that the trailer started, where it's, I thought it was going to be more of like a religious horror type movie because... From the title, yeah. Yeah, I thought maybe he was going to be like the... son of a preacher or something like that. He was listening to the good old time gospel on the car radio there and everything. And then they bring in Ted Bundy and I'm like, what?

Another, another fucking Ted Bundy movie? I mean, we just had what, Zach Ephron, right? Playing Bundy recently. And then the documentary series. Yeah, this looks a lot like the Zach Ephron one to me. It really does. It really does, man. That's exactly what I thought I'm like.

I was actually having to squint at the screen. Like, is that Zach Efron? Is he reprising his role? Is this like a sequel or something like that? But I don't know. I'm intrigued. Anything that Elijah Wood is in these days, I mean, he has not steered me wrong in many a year, I have to say.

So I'm all in. I'll definitely check it out. He's great. I just don't know why he looks 12 in this trace. So funny, right? It's so weird. He did not look 12 in maniac. Why does he look 12 here?

Oh, that's right. And that was like fucking eight years ago, right? I know, right? What the fuck? Yeah, not a bad remake either, by the way. I thought it was great. There were walkouts when I saw that at a film festival. It was fucking brilliant.

Oh, I love it. Love it when that happens. Yeah, I'm kind of in on this one. like I said, I do think we kind of got this already with Zach Ephron, but I think the performances will be pretty good. And Elijah is really into the genre. So when I know that his company's doing it, I'm kind of on board. Which when he says he wants to do the Nightmare and Alm Street movie and Children of the Corn,

let them go. Let them have, yeah. Yeah, go for it. so I think this one comes out in August don't have the date on me here but this will be coming soon and we're moving on to our last one which stars a voice cast of everybody that's ever been in a Marvel movie

and that is Marvel's What If Marcy what did you think Yeah, I am all in for this. I mean, it's going to be very sad because, you know, it was the last thing Chadwick Boseman did before he passed away. But I love this, the whole, like, concept of what if, and blah, blah, blah, la, I'm losing my train of thought.

So, Bid and I did a guest spot on Web Tales or Spider-Man podcast, And one of those issues was a what if, you know, with Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. So there's definitely like, you know, the origins in the comics. And while that story was really weird and whatever, obviously, this is probably going to be better. But it's just interesting that they kind of have this, you know, they've weaved this kind of thing into the comics. And now we're getting it, like, put in a show. But with, like, the established, like, MCU, I think it's going to be very interesting. I do like this very different kind of animation style.

But now it looks really exciting, and I noticed Howard the Ducks in there, and I'm all in for that. Bring it on. Lance? This, whoa, what the fuck? Was that somebody attacking Howard the Duck? Yeah, that's my dog going nuts. He must have seen the duck.

Oh, my God. were just talking earlier about the animation style on the Resident Evil, Brian. Mm-hmm. You said it was kind of like that computer-generated type. You were hoping

it would be more anime. Yeah. So this animation style looks like the kind that I grew up with and the kind that I fucking love, but taken, turned up to 11.

Because I grew up on the old Disney movies like, you know, 101 down animations, Pinocchio, Beauty and the Beast, Pocahontas, all that really great hand-drawn animation, which this appears to be. I mean, it might be, is this CG or is this hand-drawn? Do you guys know? It looks very hand-drawn. I actually think it might have been animated in Australia, but I'm not 100%. Well, you should know.

Yeah, I should know. fucking don't know thing. I don't know where I would find this information out, but just what I heard. Well, I could tell you this. It looks gorgeous. The animation, it just looks phenomenal,

and it was so good hearing all those voices. But I'm going to say something that's going to be a little bit controversial now. And I'm going to say this with all due respect to Marvel, because I know they

know what they're doing. And for for fuck's sake, I know that eternal ATM machine called Disney knows what they're doing, but and this was one of my, by the way, this used to be a like a larger size comic book that came out. Instead of weekly,

I think it came out like once a month back in, you know, my day when I was reading comics. And I loved what if. I even had a letter to the editor that was printed in one of the Captain America issues. Yes. That's so adorable. collector's item there.

So I love what if. But between this, between what they're doing with Loki, between what they're, I'm thinking that they're going to be doing with the Dr. Strange, the multiverse. I'm wondering if Marvel is not about to jump the shark.

Somebody's going to shoot me for saying this. But God damn it, when you take this many alternate and weird realities, it's like you can literally do anything, but you kind of logic out the window and it becomes a nonlinear story at some point. It's going to be great to watch. It's going to be good to look at.

It's going to be wonderful to hear those voices. But will it really mean anything at the end of the day, I guess is what I'm trying to say? It might not, but it might. I think what if is kind of acting as a bit of an introduction for more like the mainstream viewers as to, what the multiverse is. The multiverse is like a what if kind of scenario because we're heading into that direction. That's what I think, you know,

what will end up getting out of this? Like, I think it's there for, you know, that more mainstream type, not the ones that are like heavily into comics and know every fucking bloody multiverse in existence. Right, right? Yeah. That's just not, that's just,

I see it, but I definitely get where you're coming from, too. That's my only concern. That's my only concern is that are we really getting to the part where we have so many different splintering realities and things going on that you can literally bring somebody back? Well, I mean, for fuck's sake, they've been doing it in comic books for decades, so why not, right? Exactly. Looks great, though. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, you know me.

I'm on board. I want to see these tellings of different stories. I'm all for Captain Carter. I've seen one of the stories is going to be what if Vision was Ultron and had all the infinity stones. That's a big one. Another one that looks like that I heard is going to be in here that looks great is what if Kilmonger from Black Panther had a different upbringing. I know people want to see him again. He was a super popular character that probably should not have been killed off.

Spoiler alert. We, like you say, with the multiverse, we could see a different version of him. I mean, he might even be Black Randers. Yeah, to bring him back. Like, Michael B. Jordan is one of the most beautiful men on the face of the planet. Like, fucking just me. I don't know. We were watching a movie with him the other night, and my wife left the room for about 10 minutes and came back with big smile on her face. I don't know why. May I ask which movie?

Oh, I think it was, it wasn't one of the creed movies, but something more recent. I was about to say that explains it. Something more recent. What was the more recent thing that he was in? Was it one that he had on Amazon or something? No remorse. Yes, indeed. I would like to see him do more of those movies. That was a good movie.

Yeah. Yeah, I think you might see that, man. I think it got pretty high ratings, so I'm quite sure. I mean, my God, that guy who wrote the novels has written so many books, you know? I don't know. I'll make sure I'm home alone. Or at least in its Amazon. He does have some shirtless scenes.

there. Let's see. Marvel's What If August 13th? No, August 11th on Disney Plus. I'm all in for it. Do we need it? No, but

I'm glad we're getting it. Just like another series that's coming down at Disney Plus, the Star Wars Vision series, where it's an anthology done in anime style with different stories. Do we need it? No. but the animation and the artwork

looks amazing and I'm always here for new stories so why not yeah I'm very happy with that what is it called love death and robots yeah that was a fun one I hated that it was so short though

this season well maybe we'll get another one soon black mirror hasn't come out in a while lately either has it last season wasn't great so but we're overdue man maybe they needed extra time to put together something better

maybe they can do sort of like pandemic I was just thinking the same thing that would be perfect it would it writes itself come on team right Lance we got listener feedback you know what we've got a lot of listener feedback this week so I guess let's get to it

I think a lot of people want to see the fanatic played out on video. So folks, keep sending the reviews, but we've already reached our milestone, but we appreciate them anyway. But before we go there, as always, we're going to do the podcast spotlight. And this week, it shines on Hellbent for Horror. And this is S.A. Bradley, and I'm a lifelong

horror lover. This podcast combines horror history, personal observations, common things, and cultural trends to tell a story with each episode. Here we talk about all things horror. Movies, books, comics, post, conventions. Oh, he got us at conventions. The door swings wide here and all types of horror are welcome. Each episode covers some aspect of horror with lots of viewing or reading suggestions for you to check out.

I want to start conversations with people about all types of horror. of horror. I've been a fan all my life and I love all the different styles. And you can listen to this one Anywhere Podcast or Found. Again, it is called Hell Bent for Horror. Sounds interesting, right?

Yeah. All right. We asked for him and we got them. So this week I think I see, I sense a fanatic video sequel coming on

and we have even filmed the first one. We have six, six brand new five-star Apple podcast reviews. So here we go. Super duper, man. It's guys like Psycho Gorman. I love scary movies and these crazy people get it. Keep listening. And that's from Kate Addie One.

Oh, maybe they're in Adelaide. You think? Anything's possible, right? We were talking last week about how we tend to get more listeners from overseas than from the U.S. so it could be. All right, here we go. Always a treat. Horror movies, action.

Oh, sounds like an action returns, listener, Brian. Mm. And more. So much fun. And that's from Tree to One. Next review. Crazy Guys. Wild and crazy guys.

These are podcasts out of the minds. So much fun. And I'd look a forward to every week. And of course, that's from Cookie Cookies. Thank you.

All right, on to the next one. So much fun. I look forward to this one every week. The guys are funny and they know their horror movies love it. Ricky Rat Brat. Maybe Ricky Rackman wrote that one. Do we know our horror movies?

Oh, you don't. I think so. Yeah, they're being a bit, a bit generous. us, but okay. All right, next one. Great horror talk. These guys are awesome. The only issue

is the show tends to run a little too long for my commute. Okay. If you guys can keep it to an hour, to an hour and a half, it would be flawless. Great shows, though, keep it up, boys. That is from Girkins' 1975.

So, the only thing I'm going to say about that, Gherkins, 1975. Number one, thanks for listening. We're not a syndicated TV show. We don't have editors that are telling us we got to keep it to a certain map. Sometimes we just have to go with the flow. I mean, Brian, what do you think?

Yeah, I mean, we could be the binge cast and giving you four or five, six-hour podcasts. Yeah. All right, but we do appreciate the feedback. So thank you again. And then our final one here, so much fun. These guys know their horror. Again, not sure if that's correct, but okay. And every week is something new and hilarious.

Great chemistry and great show. And that's from Witchy Woman. Ooh, I like the sound of that. Witchie Woman, 1987. Is that somebody who's called into After Dark, Mercy? Whoa. All right. Well, hopefully Witchie Woman 1987 is listening.

Yeah. All right. And now into the, oh, yeah, everybody, seriously guys, though, thanks for those. Thank you. Yep. Helps our visibility on Apple big time. Okay, regarding the upcoming film Time Cut. What is Time Cut, Brian? It's, what is his name, Christopher Landon that did Freaky and Happy Death Day? It's doing like a Back to the Future style horror movie. And this person that left this comment, I think you should come on and review that movie with this.

Well, it was Tim Davis that left the comment, and it was quite simply a one four-letter word. But that four-letter word is pass. Come on, Tim. We'll review that, and happy death day and freaky. Oh, you've hated those, didn't you? All your favorites. All right. regarding HBO's cancellation of Lovecraft Country,

Cherie Pierre said, No! Again. That was a fantastic show. Again, there are other networks out there, and I don't think we've seen the end of this series. Just my opinion. And then we've got Jonathan C.T. Steele.

Remember we read his notes last week, but we didn't know what he was talking about? Yeah, sorry. I cut and pasted. Okay. So he wrote back, Hope everyone will join us Saturday, 710. Uh-oh, that's now, we're a bit late.

Hopefully they're going to keep doing it. To have our full schedule set, special guests throughout the day and more the merrier. And we found out that this is for something called Crazy Train Radio. So I would imagine if you look anywhere you find podcasts, just try to find crazy train radio, and this is their all-day movie marathon. So hopefully they'll do it again. By the time you hear this, it's done.

Scott Crawford says, wanted to give a huge shout-out, and thank you to the horror returns for sending me one of my new favorite movies, as well as Heather Powell, who wrote them an iTunes review and told them to send it to me and said, He's talking about Psycho Gorman.

Are you a fan at all, Mercy? I haven't seen it yet. I thought you liked Hunky Boys. I don't have time. If it's not on a podcast list, it's so hard for me to watch anything because I'm too busy editing, recording, social media,

PRing, everything. Totally understood. I will get there. I love the movie so much. I bought another copy from, what's that company out there? in Australia. Umbrella entertainment.

Yeah. Picked up one of their awesome artwork on the slip cover. They're fucking awesome. All right. Darren Wilson writes in Brian and Lance. Glenn Glenda in Seed

probably has a British accent because they were raised in England. See, we don't know horror movies. I think I chimed in on that comment too. I'm sure you did. I said, and the voice actor is British.

Okay. Well, we stand corrected. And I met him. Yet again. Did you really? And I asked him about it. Yeah, because Lord of the Rings. And everybody would ask him about that.

I come up and I'm like, oh, you were great as the voice of Glenn or Glenda in Cedar Chucky. And he just lit up, like, wanted to talk about it. I'm like, I know how to get them. Awesome. That is awesome. So is this particular actor also aging backwards? He still looks

young. I think they all might just age backwards, maybe. It's a habit thing. Yeah, it must be. We are only short people. All right. Darren also added, unless they changed it for the Forever Purge,

the people who started the purge, was the political party called the new founding fathers of America. Jesus, we didn't know that either. We should have known that, man. And this is why, Brian, when we were at Frightmare, we fucked up so badly on our trivia for the Saw movies. Nobody knows that much about those movies. That was ridiculous.

Well, there clearly was a team that beat us. Yes. If I were there, I would have won. Yeah. I love the Saw movies so much. I'm like the number one fan of Saw. It's ridiculous. Again, we don't really know about horror movies.

You guys, sorry, that's why you bring on like me who makes you look. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, got to bail us out. Yeah, I'm here for you fellas. All right. Stephen Loblad said, Awesome show. Phil and Lance nailed it with their opinions on the world we live in today.

I couldn't agree more. They want us to fight with one another. I think he's referring to last week's show, right? I hope so. Yes. Stephen also said congratulations on the 50,000 downloads. Thank you, sir. Yes.

I think I came on her on episode 40, but haven't missed one since. I dig all things THR. Keep it up, boys. In fact, Stephen, thanks for always photo bombing behind our coozy with a cores light can every time we barbecue, man. We definitely appreciate that. And regarding hitting 50,000 downloads, Lars from Denmark says, keep up the good work. Kate Pollock, that's awesome. Congratulations.

Matt Jones, congratulations. He said, quite a milestone. Let's see. Matt Wood. Awesome stuff, guys. Cameron Sullivan, happy for you. Philip Peron, splendid. Beads, you're mine.

How did this fucker's thinking? He said, awesome. Donna Nellie, congratulations. And Cindy, Sanabria, congratulations. Was Beads congratulations before or after? He heard us talk about the amusement part. Oh, I think he retracted it. Oh, okay.

I'm on Facebook right now trying to find new feedback and, uh, it's gone. Somehow it disappeared. Marcy, can you explain it? He was like, fuck those guys. Fuck him. I don't know. Maybe he did. I have no idea.

I wouldn't be able to find a fucking comment in time to tell you. Feth's heart. No, congratulations on a wonderful. achievement. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Yes. Our show intro comes from Steve Carleton

from the League of Geeks with a Z. Our artwork comes from Natsulani. If you'd like to help the show, please consider becoming a Patreon patron. We will let you pick the movies for a future show, and I'm not going to say anymore because we have changes rolling out next week, Brian.

Yep. Announcements on Patreon changes next week. Okay. Maybe we'll do a crossover with AfterDark or something. If you donate enough money, you can really take your pants off. The After After Dark. Just donate $1 and you'll be convinced enough to go after Dark. I'll ask you the most awkward questions.

That would be awesome. And we'll try to get it on video, right? Oh, yeah. Colimanis, YouTube is pretty tough from what I understand, so we have to be careful. At least with our audio show, we get to do an explicit label, which helps us quite a bit,

which I know you take full advantage of that, Mars. Oh, yeah. I can't talk without swearing. If I'm around children, it is so ridiculous I'm holding, you know, like Joe Pesci and Home Alone, like, That's me.

Twice exclusively on our Patreon, so it can be very adultish. Yes, you have to pay for that level of stimulation. Unfortunately, yeah. But, you know, as with you guys, having a Patreon is just, you know, it's a way to give people bonus stuff. And, you know, any little bit just helps actually keep, you know, the show alive because, you know, especially in my position not being able to work, like any bit of money just goes back into the show.

It's like helping us pay for, you know, yearly fees and stuff. And it just means everything. So I think everyone should at least, you know, go on a Patreon, join someone for one month, see what it's all about. That's why I've, you know, been on your guys as one for so long and you guys have been on now. We support each other like we do. Yep.

And you can just try it out. Dip your toe in the water. And if you get pissed off because we say something you don't like, then back the fuck out. Exactly. Of course, you guys do like 16 shows a week. So, you know, there's a lot of expenses. There's so much going on on our Patreon. We have like the video versions of Tooby Tuesdays.

I know. It's crazy. And now, you know, because we have, we've been able to get some sponsorship opportunities, now our Patreon stuff is ad-free. We've had to make an ad-free option. Very nice. Very nice. So you can see Bid spitting out his water in slow motion, right? Oh, that was amazing.

And definitely the Super Network Patreon while you're at it. And the good thing about it is money works all over the world. So you can donate a. Australia. You can donate in the U.S. You can even donate in fucking Alaska for fuck sake. I know. In my country up here.

That's right. All right. And now, featured attractions. This is the Year and Horror in 1986 Part 2. We're going to cover Henry Portrait of a serial killer. And that conversation

I'll be in on with you guys. Manhunter, I had a very bizarre situation where I was watching it, and I realized that it skipped forward, the copy I had, and I literally missed an hour of the film. So, um,

although I have seen it once many, many years ago, and I have read the book, I might be able to kick in a little bit. But, um, we'll start with Henry. Um, arriving in Chicago, Henry,

Michael Rooker is, oh, wait a minute. Uh-oh, I've got bad notes here. Oh, boy. I wonder why, is Henry Michael Rooker. All right, let me keep reading. Maybe this will make sense.

And what is undoubtedly his finest performance of a patchy career? Did you write this? Where did I get this? I went to the wrong spot. This is not a description of the movie at all. This is some idiot giving us two cents worth on fucking Michael Rooker for fuck's sake.

What sight was this? All right. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me,

would you like me to just Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ. Please, give us a synopsis, please, this one sucks. All right.

I'll try to, I'll try to find one. This is terrible. It's literally based on, loosely based on serial killer, Henry Lee Lucas. The film follows Henry, Michael Rooker,

and his roommate Otis. who Henry introduces to murdering randomly selected people. The killing spree, depicted in the film, starts after Otis' sister Becky comes to stay with them. The people they kill as strangers, and in one particularly gruesome attack, they kill all three family members of a home invasion. Henry lacks compassion in everything he does

and isn't the kind to leave behind witnesses. That one will do. is one million times better. Okay. We're going to go to that one. Okay, cool. Yeah, we'll just hear that one. What's that,

what's that, Brian? Patchy career. That is ridiculous. I don't know what I got that. Fuck whoever write that. I don't know. Fuck me for cutting and paste to get into our notes.

Okay, director John McNaughton, also known for Wild things and the borrower. Writers were John McNaughton with Richard Fire. All right, and here's the trivia. Actor Michael Rooker remained in character for the duration of the shoot

even offset. That's scary. He did not associate with or socialize with any of the castor crew during the month-long shoot. And director John McNaughton made sure Rooker was the only person on set to have a private dressing room.

According to cost of designer Patricia Hart, she and Rooker would travel to the set together each day, and she never knew from one minute to the next if she was talking to Michael or to Henry. Ooh. As long as Tom Tolls wasn't Otis

after they was filming. Oh, man. As sometimes he would speak about his childhood and background. Not as Michael Rooker, but as Henry. indeed so in character did Rooker remain that during the shoot his wife discovered she was pregnant and she waited until film...

My God, she waited until filming had stopped before she told him. Wow! That is insane. Marcy, what do you think about this movie? This is so... I don't want to be saying like, this is one of my favorite movies because this is a fucked movie.

movie. But I do think it is one of the most brilliant pieces of cinema. I don't care if you guys disagree. It's all your opinions. I'm not going to get angry like Bede. You can say that here. This is a safe space. Yeah, fuck off. No. We saw this film, it would have been the early 2000s going through my stage of watching controversial or banned films in Australia. And I managed to kind of track this down to watch it and I think it was a cut version. And I was just like so like wow, this is so powerful and it's just bringing up all these emotions in me. And I wanted like the proper uncut version. I think I had to go on eBay to get a Dutch DVD. Oh wow. To get it. And funnily enough,

Michael Rooker actually was at a convention here. And he was pretty much the reason I wanted to go to this convention and he was fascinated. He was completely fascinated by my Dutch DVD. He'd never seen it. He's like, I've seen so many versions of this. I haven't seen it. He was, you know, giving me hugs, having a chat, the coolest dude ever. So that was awesome.

But yeah, I tracked down this fucking Dutch DVD. And again, like, every time I see this film, I'm just, I'm stunned. I'm flawed. and I mentioned it, I think, to you guys yesterday, that one of my, like, my YouTube videos, I talk about the two films that disturb me the most might not be what you think, because everyone says, you know, a Serbian film or blah, blah, blah,

like, no, fucking Henry. Henry is the fucking one of the most disturbing films I have ever seen. And it is because of this character of Henry. He's got, like, no humanity, left in him. But when you see him in these normal moments where he'll be just having a conversation, you're kind of feeling sympathy for him. You could see this man as like, you know, the guy that lives down the street,

but secretly he fucking murders people without any fucking care in the world. And it's one of, I think, the most impactful performances in cinema from micro, Rooker, but everyone in this movie just so right. But, yeah, I think this is just one of the most disturbing but brilliant pieces of cinema.

I definitely need to know what you guys think, because I'm waiting for this movie with shit, Marcy. Oh. Brian, do you mind if I jump in? Go ahead. Because you guys are going to have to talk about the next one since I missed an of it. So let me get let me get my two cents worth in here. I honestly thought it at certain parts of

this that I was watching a snuff film, even though I know Michael Rooker. And obviously I recognized Otis. I think he was like the sheriff for one of the deputies and House of a Thousand Corpses. If I remember correctly, that he looked familiar. I'm pretty sure he's been in a lot of things. He's been here and there, and I recognized him quite a bit. The young woman that Henry either fell in love with or didn't fall in love with, because how can associate Paph fall in love? Didn't know her at all. This, you nailed it.

Super disturbing. I'm a huge fan of Clockwork Orange, and there was a lot of that in here, where it's just like, do your own thing. don't care about what, you know, what any of the, don't care about anything that it does to anyone else. Just a complete sociopath, just an awesome performance for Michael Rooker. And the guy who played Otis was just amazing as well. And let's not, you know, let's not discount the actress.

I mean, she was very good. And then when you started learning about her sad backstory, and then you saw that Otis was trying to do the same thing to her that her father had done. and just a really impactful film. I'm with you, Marcy, it's up there. It's a cinematic achievement. But Brian is going to tell us we're both crazy. Yes, that's exactly what I'm about to do.

No, both of you are right. This is one of, I put that up there with Texas Chasawr, because when I first seen that one, you know, I had. this kind of dirty feeling watching it. Just kind of something I shouldn't be watching. Michael Rooker is fantastic in this. And fuck that guy, patchy career bullshit. This shows you, I mean, there's certain scenes like that frighten me in this,

the whole scene with the camcorder when they're dancing. Oh, my God. Oh, God, yes. Just him trying to smile. and act like he's enjoying what's going on. Mm-hmm. It's terrifying. That whole opening sequence where he's just nonchalantly going about his day and then it just cuts to different dead bodies laying around.

That was frightening. Tom Tolls as Otis. That guy is the worst. Mm-hmm. I mean, I can at least say Henry had certain morals about him. him. When Tom Toll's is going after his sister and he has to pull her off and is like, no, no, that's your sister. Apologizing him.

Like, you just murdered a whole fucking family or whatever, but he's like, no, don't do that to your sister. Like, fuck Jesus. Yeah, this is definitely one of the, it's up there as far as these type of films, these psychological thrillers. It's up there for me. Just great cast, great storytelling throughout. It moves fast, too. I mean, it is a short movie.

It's like a little over one hour and 20 minutes, but it moves. There's no dull time in this for me. And I will say the one guy selling the TV definitely deserve what he was getting because, man, that is just bad business.

You don't speak to your customers like that. plants well marcy you said that you uh you didn't see it until like 2000 or so yeah it would have been the early 2000s were you were you like purposefully avoiding it because you thought it was going to be disturbing or is it just like didn't show it um it just wasn't on my radar i don't think um okay

sort of in my like late teens early 20s like i probably had seen it earlier i just want to I can't remember. You know, I forget how old I am. I forget we're in the fucking 2021. I still think we're in the 90s half the time. But yeah, it was a phase where I was kind of learning about like just how much like stuff had been banned in Australia or cut censorship.

I was getting into a lot of that. And that was one of the films I'd heard about. And it was just something I, it was really hard to. track down at the time. So it's just a matter of me actually tracking it down. I will sit through anything. I mean

I, for example, I don't like a Serbian film, but I've seen that movie three times and one was a cut version that they released in Australia, which I was reviewing. Yeah, I will sit through absolutely

anything, but whatever the reason, which I always try to, you know, say it, and I have my video about it, but this film just forever has stuck with me as being one of those most fucking disturbing. Like, Henry, to me, is one of the most disturbing characters because he's so unsuspecting. If you saw him walking down the street, you're not going to think he's going to be this murderer. It's just so unsettling in that way. And like you said, there's certain scenes where they're using like the handhog, the hand, held camera. That means it look

like it's a real snuff film. Like that's utterly fucking chilling and just the way everybody performed it like fuck. Yeah, and they just had so much glee doing it, you know? And they're like, well he was actually more of just

like you, I guess as Brian said, he had morals. I guess you could say a serial killer with morals but Otis just, he just completely manipulated Otis. right into becoming part of this group almost like a kind of like a mini cult type you know leader

yeah and it seems like you know specific difficulties just goes along with it and takes it up to like this massive level like if you saw Otis walking down the street you'd probably be like I'm going to avoid that guy yes because he does kind of look suspicious but Henry on the other hand you're probably going to end up dead because he didn't avoid him. And isn't that what they say most serial killers are like? They look like the person next door.

Yeah. That's a real sociopath right there, right? Stop talking shit about my neighbor then. Oh. You never know. It could be a Henry. He wants to put me in his lawnmower. Oh, no.

The lawnmower man. Let's not go there. Hey, let's leave Job out of this. This was the first time watch for me, but I've always heard about this movie. And it's one, it wasn't off my radar because I've been meaning to see it. And I just kind of like never got an opportunity for whatever reason or there would be something else that I watched instead. But, yeah, it's, it made an impact. Like I said, this has been a very, very traumatic week for me.

between all the stuff I've checked out. I'm so fucked up. I did not need to re-watch this to talk about it because I've seen it that many times. Brian, was it your first watch? No, I've seen this when I was too young to watch it. Right. At the same impact, or did it hit you harder this time?

This time, especially Otis and the relationship with his sister. And then there was a, it was a long time since I've seen this. So I forgot about her just, you know, when her and Henry are sitting at the dining room table. And he's just kind of opening up about her growing up.

And then he opens up about, and that's why I shot my mother. And she was like, I thought she said you stabbed him. He was like, oh, I did say that. I forgot all about that stuff. Yeah, which kind of. goes into the real Henry Lee Lucas who was known for just making up whatever the fuck story. So they just didn't know if he'd killed, you know, one person or 600 people.

Ah, okay. And that's very much in tune with the character that they've portrayed in the film. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I didn't know that part about Henry Lee Lucas, so that definitely. makes sense when you put it that way. I mean, I was reading and into, you know, true crime stuff since I was a kid. I was into this shit before it became mainstream call in the last few years. So, well before anybody was into, like, learning about serial killers, I was, like, expert on all of them.

So I've definitely known a lot about Henry Lee Lucas over the years. Right. One of the other things I wanted to bring up with this film, and I think it's probably the most kind of famous image is when he's looking at himself in the mirror. I just think that's actually one of the most powerful scenes because it's like those moments where you're looking back at yourself and you're seeing.

It's definitely this self-loathing within him because he's got no humanity left and I just think it's so impactful. Incredible stuff. Even a scene before when she's like, I love you and he was like I guess I do too.

At least he didn't say, I know. All right, you guys ready for scores? Yep. Marcy one to ten. Look, for me this is a film that gets the perfect score.

It gets 10 bodies in a suitcase. Oh my God. Do we mention the ending is just so fucking bleak. Yeah, right. stabs you in the

heart a thousand times. I was wondering, was that only Otis that he killed at the end? He was such a sociopath. Are we sure that? It goes back to what we were saying. It makes you think was anything he said was real.

Yeah. Was there really a sister with the horse ranch? Yeah. Was the sister character actually real? And if she was, she was dead. He killed her. I would think so, yeah. That's my takeaway on it.

So, wow, perfect 10. Yeah, for me. Holy shit. Yeah, I'll go eight and a half. I mean, it's probably, looking back on 1986, there were a lot of good horror movies, but this probably would have been on my top 10 for sure. I mean, I don't know why I just now got around watching it.

But again, just felt so nasty after having seen it and just like it was time to take a bath. And it really was like watching something real like a snuff film. Not one to watch for the wife and kids. I don't think so. I'm going to be right in the middle, and let me give it a nine and a half. Damn! I think this is, for any fan of the genre, this is required watching, definitely. 100%.

Man, all right. Sounds like we're all in agreement. If you haven't checked out, Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer yet, you should. Absolutely. All right. We're going to move on to Manhunter. All right, hopefully this is a better description. Former FDI profiler, Will Graham,

returns to service to pursue a deranged serial killer dubbed the two fairy by the media. That's not really very comprehensive. I don't know where I got these, but no more. I'm going to find a new source. In case you didn't know, this is the first Hannibal Lecter story. So there you go. before he met Clarice Starling he met Will Graham

How about that? There you go Director, writer Michael Mann also known for The Keep And I think we covered that one before Brian, didn't we? Yeah, I don't think A lot of us were fans of it I know it wasn't what I remembered it as a kid

So He did do heat Which I think everybody loves that Great bank robbery scene All right. During the film, oh, now this is bizarre. During the filming of this movie, Sir Anthony Hopkins was playing King Lear at the National Theater. During the filming of the Silence of the Lambs, Brian Cox was playing King Lear at the national theater. When the production cannot get permission to film on board a commercial airplane, writer and director Michael Mann booked his actors, actresses,

and crew on to a twilight flight from Chicago to Florida where the production was located anyway. A strip,

talk about snuff films, a strip down camera, lighting and sound equipment were taken on board as

carry-on luggage. Pilots and flight attendants were appeased with gifts of movie crew jackets.

How cool. It did with this one. Um, so, uh, Marcy, what do you think about Manhunter? Around the same time I saw Henry. And, um, Manhunter first, or if I read, or if I had read Red Dragon first, but it would have been close together.

And I've actually read that book, I think, twice. Um, but yeah, I, I actually just thought this was, uh, such a good film. It's a very different, I mean, I mean, Like with Silence of the Lambs, we don't get a lot of Hannibal Lecter. And it is weird when you're used to like Anthony Hopkins to see someone else as Hannibal. And it is a very different kind of Hannibal Lecter. Brian Cox just says it so differently. There's not this sophistication about him.

He looks more like he would be a serial killer, basically, with how he acts. But I just thought it was very clever and intense. You know, crime, horror, thriller. I was very much invested in the characters. And I think Tom Noonan as the Tooth Fairy, one of the most, like, just fucked up, you know, killers in a film. I'd rank him up there on, you know, one of the more, like, disturbing on a list. Like, he just freaks me out.

I don't want to be alone with him, no way. but I do like how you find out sort of like as the film progresses you're learning more about they're tracking this killer but then we sort of focus more on the tooth fairy killer as it progresses

which I found was a different and interesting approach with how they did it and I thought what's CSI guy what's the fox's his name Will Graham? Well, what's the actor's name?

I don't know. Yeah. He used to be a lot of shit. Tom, William Peterson. Yeah. That sounds about right. William Peterson, you know, it was bloody on CSI for years. I thought he was really good as Will Graham.

You know, as I said, it's got a really good cast. You get, Joan Allen shows up later. Dennis Farina is Jack Crawford. As said, Brian Cox is Hannibal. Tom Noonan is the tooth fairy killer It's even got Stephen Lang in there Yeah Top-notch cast

I thought this actually was A really good way to kind of adapt the book Whereas I felt the Brett Ratner Red Dragon adaptation was more of a cash-in On using Hopkins as Lector Like I still find that a fairly decent watchable film But I just think Manhunter is a lot better of a film. But yeah, I adore this film. I just thought it was great from when I first saw it,

and my opinions haven't changed. I still think it's great. And that said, I have not read any other bloody Hannibal Lecter books except Red Dragon twice. And of course, in the Hannibal TV series, you get sort of the before of this with Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter. So, you know, it's a good kind of companion piece, I guess, as well. Makes sense. Do you like it? Do you like the movie, Brian? Yeah.

Actually, this is probably one out of the movies that involve Hannibal Lecter that I've seen the least, but I think it's one of the best, and it's off of the performances of William Peterson. I like his portrayal Will Graham, because you definitely get a sense that not only his interactions with Hannibal Lecter, but his job just kind of takes a toll on him and his family. And then Tom Noonan as the two-faird killer, yes, he is frightening and great performance from him. Great performances from everyone, except the fucking kid that plays Will Graham's son is the worst in this movie.

he has like no emotion he's like a cross between like one of those village of the damn kids and like one of those Hitler youth clone children just that scene when he's waking up his mom telling him that I hear someone outside he's just so lackadaisical about supposedly being scared about hearing somebody outside and he just kind of takes me out of it

but I like the whole interaction between Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter. I thought Brian Cox did a great job as Hannibal Lecter. The whole just trying to track down and just figure things out. I just love all those scenes with Will Graham, where he's just studying everything, talking to himself, talking it out, you know, kind of talking to the two fairy. Right.

You know, like, like, you know, he's having a... He's not there, but he's... having a conversation with him. I just love all those scenes right there. Yeah, and that's very actually faithful to the book because you're sitting there and he's actually, you know, doing that very same thing and kind of putting himself in, you know, the mindset of, you know, what's happened in the victims. It's very interesting.

And I really think they did a good job of like translating that from page to screen. So better than Red Dragon, huh? Oh, yeah. I mean, Ed Norton, that guy, we talked about last week. Oh, it was Ed Norton, was it? That was. I can't really weigh in, guys. Ed Norton in that film, I think, was like a contractual obligation, and you could tell.

Well, the last two weeks, I think we've had conversations that the guy's an asshole or perceived to be an asshole. I think it's very well known. a very opinionated and bossy man. But look, I think Red Dragon's serviceable, but this is a really good fucking movie. It's, you know, I'd watch this, then, you know, Silence of the Lambs. Even with a different cast and everything,

I think it just works better. Sure. Yeah, I read the book decades ago, so I don't remember it too terribly well. I remember liking Silence of the Lambs a little bit better. And then Hannibal was okay, and Hannibal Rising was fucking awful for what I remember. But again, I can't really weigh in too much here, guys. I miss like an hour of the movie.

So it's just you two. Do you want to... What did you think of the beginning of the movie? Oh, I loved it. I mean, well, when they were sitting on a beach, I was kind of like, what the fuck is going on here? I was kind of like, is this Jaws 6 that we're watching? something like that. But, no, I did love Brian Cox's performance in the part that I saw.

And then I remember when he made the phone call and he used the chewing gum wrapper. Ah, yeah. It pulled the faceplate off so that he could call the operator. I thought that was just brilliant. Very clever. That's their fault. I don't, you just leave the room and leave him with his phone. Like, what the fuck are you doing people?

Mm-hmm. Did you get to see? the Tooth Fairy or Tom New? Not really. See, that's what fucking sucks is because the version that I watched it cut off right at the point

when you remember they he sent a message to Hannibal right? And then they translated it and they put the two pieces of paper over each other to read what it said and all that. And then it cut and the next thing and the next thing

you know, the CSI was fucking breaking into the tooth fairies He's having to kill him. And like, what the fuck did I miss? Did I fall asleep? I'm like, I got I got a bunk copy here. You got to see how unstoppable the

Tooth Fairy was. I mean, he was shooting people. He was holding a shotgun shooting it with one hand. I guess. I guess, man. It's, you know what? You know, my biggest takeaway from this movie was, was Brian Cox. Just as good a

Hannibal Lecter. Well, E, careful what you say. He was a great Hannibal Lecter. He is no Sir Anthony Hopkins. But... It's a very different. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I could kind of see the similarities too.

You know what I mean? Like the... Just an absolutely, absolutely brilliant serial killer. And the thing I did like about Hannibal, the book Hannibal, which was at the third... third one in the series is that he had actually escaped custody and he was like running around out there for a while. And I enjoyed that. I remember enjoying that part of the books. But again, have any of you read Handel Rising, which was like the prequel? I only seen the movie.

Don't bother. Don't really bad. It was really bad. It might be controversial for me to say, but I actually maybe it's because it was in a TV show a lot more but Mas Mcelson is my favorite person my favorite person oh

yeah the TV show I've never even seen it before I've been yeah I know man so many people don't no we don't we're going to put that on a t-shirt you should fucking put that on

a shirt I'll design it for you Is it that bad? Am I that bad for not having seen it? That show's fantastic. It should have never been canceled. That's why I never started it, because by the time people started recommending it, it got canceled, and I fucking hate it. That's why I quit watching Season 3 of American Gods.

I got two episodes in, and then I'm like, oh, it's canceled. And I'm like, well, fuck this shit. Fuck you all. It's worth the watch. Is it? They aren't one and two. are very much like a self-contained arc. Okay.

All right. But the dynamics between like Will Graham and Hannibal, it's fucking intense. It's brutal. It's gory. It's beautiful. Like, you're watching this show and I'm like, okay, well aware that these meals that Hannibal is making are not actually people. But if they were, they look so appetizing.

I wouldn't give a shit, I'd eat it. That's the show in a nutshell. And aren't they supposed to pick it up? Isn't someone supposed to pick it up as either a movie or another series, Brian? Brian Fuller is actively pursuing bringing this back. And I've had heard that him and Mads make a lot of people are, they think it's going to happen. Well. Without question, for me, he is my favorite.

Hannibal. Okay. It goes into areas of this character, like, unbelievable. And I think it's because, you know, versus 18 minutes or whatever the fuck it is of Surrey Diamond's Islands, of the Land's versus the TV show, it makes sense. We got more Hannibal in Hannibal, but I wasn't a massive fan of that. I think Anthony Hopkins, like, he's very chilling. But I just think there's so many more layers that we get.

in Hannibal that yeah all right it does it does say available on Hulu which I of course subscribe to since I pay for everything so I will check it out at least watch the

first episode and I'd love to hear what you think okay yeah on that show I really I really love the interaction between you get a lot of interaction between him and Will Graham oh it's brilliant and he does

do you dancey please? Yeah. Will Graham and he's fucking phenomenal as well. Okay. And you've got Lawrence Fishburn is Jack Crawford. It's got a really good cast. This show does. Oh my God.

Yeah, I've heard so many great things about it. And they do bring up the Mason Verger character from Hannibal when like younger. Sure, sure. That's the storyline in there as well. But just the. way, where this show goes. I mean, I don't know what it's not a fucking podcast about it, but it's so good.

You know what? I think I avoided it because it was network TV. Wasn't it like on NBC or CBS or something like that? Oh, it is definitely not. It was, but it's not. So how? How does it get away with it then? You see some fucking fucked up gory shit.

Hmm. I think I wanted to originally aired, it came on super late. Yeah. They don't have backed, though. First episode is called

Apertief. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. It's phenomenal. And I mean, Jillian Anderson's in it, Lance. She comes into it, yeah. I might actually

watch it as soon as we're done recording tonight. There you go. I mean, you'd like, for some reason you really liked the Pet Cemetery remake. I loved it. Love it. Yeah. I thought it was okay. Is this, are you trying to say this has something

in common with that? Well, you know how they kind of bring in the Wendigo? There's Wendigo in animal, so there's your connection. We'll see. Yeah, they do the Wendigo, except not disappointingly. Are you guys ready for scores? 100% ready. For me, because you know I score fucking out of five, so I'll translate my score.

That guy's translating Australian to English or whatever. Wait, you guys do speak English for fucks. Yeah, do we? I don't fucking know. Do you even understand me half the time? I think you guys spoke it before we did. Probably did. We're the most sophisticated English language speakers.

Oh, yes. That I meant so Um Look my score out of five Would be four and a half Out of five so I guess nine out of ten All right I fucking adore and love this film

I think it's one of Michael Mann's best Films Now that's saying a lot Yeah just amazing I think because it is so different From like silence of the lambs But very similar at the same time I think they work better as companion pieces

than say Red Dragon But, yeah, that's my school. Nice. Me, Lance. It's got to be you, man. I've missed an hour of the movie. Oh, you are going to score that first 30 minutes. I'll give it an eight.

I'll give it an eight. Some Brian Dr. I am right there with Marcy. I'm going to give it a nine based off of the performances. And I have to really think about this one. this might be one of Michael man's best. I mean, the man did the heat last

in the Mohicans. He's done a lot of stuff. He did. So, I think this is up there for me. Wow. He is. Those are small unknown ones, because no one ever brings this up. And I'm like, you know there's a Hannibal movie before

Anthony Hopkins? Yes, because everybody's thinking of the Sir Anthony Hopkins films. That one was nominated, right? Yeah, but it's like, no, think about this one. It's so good. And when people talk about Michael Mann films, they never mention it. Mention this fucking movie, damn it.

All right, very nice. Well, Marcy. Sorry, I'll tie you off. Thank you so much for coming on the show since we were down a couple of men. But we got a super Marcy, which is better than 10 men. Am I right? Yes. Sorry, Philip and Nez.

I'm just getting it. Thank you so much, guys. I'm glad I could weasel my way into the podcast and happy to join you guys anytime. You never weasel your way. Come on. You're always super invited and you know that. So we talked about your shows, but where do you go to find the shows? Where do you go to find the website and all that?

All right. Well, thank you for letting me plug my stuff. you can find I think this isn't after dark hold on now oh shit plug but plug no um

thank you for letting me talk about myself um yeah you can find the super network at our base of operations at supermarsie.com that's s-u-p-e-r-m-r-c-e-y-y-com and you can find me on like the Twitters at Super Marcy and you can just basically look up the Super Network

and you find us on like Facebook, we've got our group, which we're always interacting with you guys and our group, so it's all the fun, all the good people. And pretty much any other podcasts I mentioned earlier, you'll find on all your podcast streaming platforms, except After Dark, which is the Patreon exclusive, which is at patreon.com slash the super network.

Very nice. And Marcus, we have a, We have a mutual friend, Marcus Will Turner. And if I'm not mistaken, he does some writing for you guys, right? Yes, he is one of the newest members of the Super Network team. It's pretty much been beat and myself for quite a while, whereas others had contributed and stuff. But, yeah, Marcus has joined the team, and he is writing some reviews for us.

and when, you know, when we can schedule a podcast, he joins us on our show. And Marcus is one of the loveliest and just most beautiful human beings on the planet. He's become like, you know, my brother from another mother. He's wonderful. So massive shout out to Marcus. And many thank you to Marcus for his wicked reviews. There are a lot of fun. So, yeah, definitely check it out.

Give him some love, too. Yes. and Marcus sits down to write very well-thought-out hour-to-hour-hour-long reviews on films and Bede Smithswater in slow-mo. Yes. Yes, he does. It's brilliant. We know we're getting on our Patreon.

All right. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com. God willing, we're going to have a way. website soon. But anyway, just, I don't know, fuck Google us. What the hell?

Next week, Brian, I've been praying, as you well know, for a bottom 10 movie possibility for the year. Am I not lying here? I've told you I've loved everything this year, right? Yeah. I think it's just

because we didn't get anything last year, so we're just happy to get something this year. Well, with any luck, with any luck, and you guys can't see me right now, but I'm doing the sign of the cross, I'm doing a Hail Mary, I've got my rosary beads wrapped around me, and I have a cross etched into my forehead, and I'm looking toward the heavens praying that I finally get a bottom 10 with next week's film. I don't think it'll happen. Because we fucking hated the first one. At least I did. I, on a rewatch recently, have not completely, but kind of changed my mind on the movie.

Uh-huh. Oops. Well, I might be in trouble then, but next week we're going to check out Escape Room, Tournament of Champions. Jesus, what a stupid title. As well as 2009's exam. So, Brian, until the horror returns again, Good night.