The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #270: The Visit (2015) & Old (2021)

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

This week we salute M. Night Shyamalan with two films about the horrors of aging - Old and The Visit. We are joined by very special guest Cameron Sullivan from The Jacked Up Review Show Podcast. Cool of the week includes Comeuppance Reviews, Space Jam: A New Legacy, Kevin Can Fuck Himself, and Zola. Trailer this week is Malignant. And we shine the podcast spotlight on Spooky Tuesday. Thanks for listening!

Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language.

Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back one and all to the horror returns. I'm Lance and with me as always, my co-host, Brian Phillip. Kevin might be in a little bit later, but we do have a special guest tonight. It's Cameron, some of the... Cameron Sullivan himself from the Jacked Up Review Show. What's up, man?

Always delightful. How are you, Mr. Lance Hendrickson? We tried to interview him. We ran into some troubles at Texas Brightair. Brian, you tell the story, man, because I always sneak in the wrong words when I tell it. Yeah, it sounds about right. Long story short, try to get the interview when the handler of the convention. is not around.

Yeah. Because he wanted to interview with us, but there was some roadblocks because it was an event. Yeah, we've actually got some friends of the show that did a documentary about the show he was in Millennium. Oh, nice. They were part of that one. Yeah, they hooked us up with an interview,

so we were like all set up. And I saw him coming in of the first day, and I said, hey, Lance, we're going to get to talk to you tomorrow. He said, absolutely. We get over to the table. Not so much from his very aggressive handler. No interviews, no interviews. Well, that was the tamest I've ever heard you tell that story.

I feel your pain, though. I've been very disappointed the last at least five years. So Texas Frightmare and just seeing just a lot of the lines just being overcrowded and oversaturated and just, I don't know, just everyone is not giving completely. they're all. So it's been a very underwhelming experience in some cases for me. Yeah, like three or four years ago. Remember Philip when we walked right

up to the bar and had drinks with the Saska sisters and all these other people? Oh yeah, that was great. Very different atmosphere. It's getting a lot more. They came up to us at the bar and we're hanging out with us, the Saska sisters, and there was like all kinds of celebrities in the bar.

And yeah, now it's like they're many people in there I get like anxiety. It can be anxious at times, but yeah, I know what you mean. And sometimes you'll meet the guys at the bar and then you're like, well, I'm not sure I want to bother them right now. I wouldn't want to be bothered if I was eating, you know? Oh, yeah.

And then some of them are surprisingly very welcoming. They were all partying. But I'm hopeful if one good thing comes from all this shit show over the last year, I'm hopeful that maybe everybody will be able to. bit more more open you know maybe not quite as crowded this year who knows yeah i guess we'll see like they should do the interview because they really do want to do something fun as opposed to oh well i'm bored so now you can interview me well yeah you're not going to give your best material well yeah and that's where we got a lot of them but yeah it was like there's so many people in

there it's like you're just shoulder to shoulder with everyone and it's just this giant yeah crazy so much for six foot rule yeah well no i mean i haven't been there since then but i saw some people going to joe bob i was like geez okay well enough about that man tell us about your podcast and and where to find you okay we are on pod being anchor and plenty more and we just cover it is just that it's a review show and we'll tackle various cult franchise various shows as well as food and music. And we... Equal opportunity.

We've had some pretty loaded interviews on occasion. We were fortunate highlights included interviewing Wickeosayana, who's best known for doing zero tolerance with Scott Atkins, Ballistic X versus Sever, and Talking to. That was a very eye-opening experience on someone who's basically whole kind of like Albert Pion his whole career I'd just been fucked with by just multiple different producers

we also interviewed B-movie actress and porn star Leslie Zen and that was very animated as you can imagine it's like a Howard Stern show well and that's even more it's funny you bring that up I even brought up stuff because she had limited interviews and notes to go on and she's like oh my god I saw that stupid interview

I did with them years ago I was so embarrassed I was like, well, you said it, not me. That's awesome, man. Yeah, it was. Appreciate you coming on the show, man. We've been. Thank you.

Trying to get together a couple of times. You still, I guess, I'm hoping the invite's still out for one of us to come on there one day. Anytime. It's just, you know, everything can fall for the crack at any minute. And everyone's got to have a thick skin like with any kind of entertainment. And, Oh, yeah. Some people take it way too serious.

It's like, okay, well, we don't have to record today. It's okay. Oh, yeah, you got to think on the fly sometimes, right? Sometimes. And other times just say, okay, well, we're going to stitch this all together. All right, man. Well, you know how the show works. We're going to always let our guests go first.

What's the coolest thing that you've seen, Brad, heard, video game you've played, movie. What's your cool of the week? Okay. Well, definitely another plug. Has anyone ever encountered the website that occasionally still updates come up and see reviews? Okay, well, so they would just tackle all kinds of just outrageous video store kind of material.

Wow. Brett and Ty, they're just brothers. You know, one would just come up with the reviews while the other would type it up. It was that simple. And they got a podcast a few years back, and they would even have Matt Porrier, of the direct video of Connoisseur, and his blog and podcast come on.

And they do a section called VideoSore Memories. And they've even gotten Mike Scott of the Atkins Undisputed podcast. And yes, that man has actually talked with the martial artists and actor, Scott Atkins, several times on his podcast. Nice.

And they just, it's just very eye-opening, just where he's like, oh, man, I long for the days of Hollywood video in those other mom and pop stores. Before the years of goodwill, and they just would just, no matter who they have on, they're just all these just very eye-opening is like, oh, no way, no shit. That's what they did in that area, California, or Wisconsin, or North Carolina,

Dallas, and Arizona of all places. Like, they just will take you through as like, so what area was organized, where, you know, where was all the crazy, cheesy direct video shit typically put up in the store? Where was all the, you know, mainstream blockbusters that everyone instantly wanted to book, you know, right? And you had to work for it. Real gutbusters. In addition to that, they also will just do other amusing stuff, like should have been an action star, should have been a movie. like it'll just come up with just outrageous pitches

is like yeah why hasn't anyone used that sarcastic or dry a one-liner or you know slogan right with all the other crazy stuff that's out there it looks like they're most recently reviewed blood fist seven yeah they do any of those cheesy kickboxing movies

and they originated a new term called punch fighting to describe just crazy non-existent fighting styles that are used in some of these kinds of movies. Punch fighting. I got to check that one out. Blood Fist 7? I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah.

They go into, they'll do focuses on all those martial artists and they'll go beyond just the Wikipedia page. They'll even look up rare documentaries and fitness tapes some of these crazy guys had. fitness tapes yeah well you know all that stuff man he started talking

and you know he's got his whole coming everywhere yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't I definitely remember that part

he said when I bump iron it's like I'm coming you're right and all the other people who just like would watch that documentary nonstop and want to be a bodybuilder.

I'm like, good God. Right. Well, hey. That's what it takes, I guess so. All you got to do is come on stage. All right. So that podcast is your cool of the week. Did they do anything on YouTube or any other media besides the podcast?

Other than their website, yeah, it's just the podcast for now. But you can find it on Facebook and Twitter and definitely Instagram. Thai Action Rocks is his Instagram handle. Very nice. Phil, you want to jump in? Yeah, the only thing I can really think of that I watched this week, and I don't know if it's a cool or a not cool, it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be, space jam.

I've seen that five times this week. Well, I'd heard really, really terrible things about it. Are we talking about the new one or the other one? No, the new one. The new one, baby. And they're all pretty much true, but it's still not as bad as it sounds. And now we know it's one big giant universe. Every Warner Brothers movie is literally in that same zone.

That's true. Yeah, it was a little distracting, actually. It was. I started looking for people in the... background. I need to you, man. I was looking at the Easter eggs. But, uh, no,

like, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. I mean, it's a cheesy kids movie, but the original Space Jam was terrible, too. Let's just... It was fun.

And actually had its moments, too. Yeah. I mean... Joe Dante went back to indie film. Yeah. Like, it's, it's fun, but, you know, Michael Jordan is not an actor.

And neither is LeBron James, so... But he got Looney, man. He got Looney. Yeah, he did get Looney. If I was a giant star kind of playing myself, I probably wouldn't care about going to the SAG conferences. Yeah. But yeah, that's all I got this week. And I'm going to say it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

Hey, man, I got kids and I work. I don't have a whole lot of time. That's fine. I thought it was fun, too. Oh, and they had everything working against it. like, why is everyone complaining about how everyone's animated and sexually presented? I'm like, this is a kid's movie. You would complain if it looked too promiscuous.

My God, people just want to throw fire when there's nothing to throw it at. It was a movie. Like I said, I've seen it five times this week with the kids here. There you have it. Brian, you went to watch the original so many times. I'm surprised I never had to adjust my tracking. I popped that fucker in so many times. You want to Jeff?

Gotta love some Lola Bunny. Oh, shit. You got a dozen this week, Brian, or what? I only got one. What? It's a first. Yeah. I just had one of them weeks where I just didn't really feel like watching anything new.

And I just kept putting on stuff I've seen a million times. But I did get one new ones. one in. It's a new A-24 film, Zola. You guys heard of this one? I think I saw the promo on and watch it. Yeah, it sounds familiar, but I don't know what it is. It's a dark comedy based off a, let me read it out here. It was a Twitter thread by this lady named Zola that became viral that ended up becoming a Rolling Stone article called Zola Tells All the real story behind the greatest stripper saga ever tweet. I thought I expected to hear.

Yeah, this is definitely not one to have one in front of the kids. Oh, really? Essentially, it's this Zola comes across another lady, Lance, what is I name, Riley Canoe. She was in that movie The Lodge. Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, there you go.

One of the, one of the, one of the, one of the girls from a Mad Max Fury Road. Oh. Yeah. She gets, basically she talks Zola, and Zola's a dancer, like they're both dancers,

and she talks her into taking a trip to Florida to make some money. You had a stripper saga, to be fair. And when she gets, when she takes the trip, she doesn't know that, that her pimps with her, played by a Coleman Domingo.

Oh, Oh, okay. Yeah, I love him. Yes, he's awesome. Yeah, basically the trip turns sideways and a whole lot of stuff happens. And I found it pretty enjoyable. It does kind of remind you of spring breakers the way it's true. Okay.

I actually like that. Very abstract kind of free thinking style. Yeah, but I actually enjoyed it more than spring breakers. But yeah, definitely don't put this on in front of the kids. Cameron, you need to get an interview, it sounds like. They want me to target every kind of sleazy person. As long as there's coming on stage. All right.

Back to. So is that the cool of the week? Yeah, I liked it. Oh, man. I got a real cool of the week. But first, just in honor of you, Brian, I'm going to throw a little bit of love to a new Apple TV Plus show that you need to watch

because I think we're going to have a new patron named Lingy Langtong or something like that that's going to force you to watch this series. It's a fucking musical. God damn it. It's called Shmigadoon.

Have you guys heard of this one? What's it called? Shmigadoon. Shmigadoon? It sounds like something you just made up right now. The spin-off of Dune. Okay. I think I saw it from

promoted, but again, I didn't look at the details. I just saw the upcoming releases. All right. Well, here's the setup. Kegan, Michael Key and Cecily Strong play a married couple that their relationship is a little bit on the rock. So they decided to take a backpacking trip. Okay. And it's one of you just go find yourself type of backpacking trips, right?

Real touchy, feebly. Like, go out and give each other a rock with each other's name on it in the shape of a heart. and hold onto that rock for the rest of the trip. Okay, you're losing me. So they go off on their own and they stumble upon a little town called Shmigadoon. And singing and dancing 1940 style breaks out as soon as they walk into the town. Kind of like a mixture between like the Wizard of Oz and Meet Me in St. Louis or something like that. Are you making this up?

I swear to God, I am not making this up. is it like the village it's really weird because they show up and it's like people break into song and dance and then she's like Cessley Strong and one scene is like

that was a really great song he said song what are you talking about it's really an interesting concept and they can't leave town because they try to go back over the bridge and they're stopped by the lepricon that

that pop That's not a real bogey. A leopardon. A leopardon played by Martin Short shows up and tells him, You cannot leave until you find your true love. Martin's short, now you're kind of selling me. They turn to look at each other. He's literally short.

They turn and look at each other. She says, well, I love you. Don't you love me? And he says, yeah, what she said. They turn to cross the truth. We can leave now. They start walking, and all of a sudden they're walking back toward the town again. They're stuck.

That's great. It's probably a Mandy watch, I would think. But that's why I threw down there. But that's not my cool of the week. This is going to give some competition to the stand. Do you guys know the stand miniseries has been my favorite show of the year so far? Yes. You guys ever heard of a new AMC show called Kevin Can Fuck Himself?

Yes, I have. No. No, I haven't seen it yet. I haven't. See, I don't make anything away. It doesn't sound like something I really want to watch. Have you seen the trailers? The Friendly ASE has did an article on how someone was trying to get it canceled.

Just another concerned parent who knew damn well it was for adults. We must cancel this show because how dare there be profanity? the title. Jesus. Oh, my God. There's a lot more profanity than just the title. People on the internet, man. What are you going to do? But I've never seen this before, guys. They kind of went there with Wanda Vision, but going through the different decades of television. But it literally starts out as

like a cheesy sitcom. And the main actress, when she leaves this, I'm like, what the fuck are we watching? This is like a 1990s, like, friends or something like that. And the minute she leaves the room and leaves Kevin and his friends behind, the goofballs, she's like all of a sudden, like she's on the set of Breaking Bad. Like all the lighting turns dark and it turns into a full drama. And I've never seen this before. Have you guys ever heard of this concept? No.

It's really, it's fucking almost. And it's only eight episodes. The one actress in it is from Schitt's Creek. Yes, the daughter from Schitt's Creek. Yeah, okay. Is that one any good? Yeah, Schitt's Creek? Yeah, I like it.

I've heard nothing good things. I haven't been formulas you guys have mentioned so far. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I think shit's cool. Phil, I think all the seasons are on Netflix. Yeah, they have to be by now. Yeah, and that's one of the ones that I wanted to punch the button on, but you know,

I'll just scroll for a fucking hour. Yeah, it's a quick watch, dude. Yeah, like half hour episodes. Oh, check it out. Well, these are 45-minute episodes, and there's only eight of them, and the finale was Sunday. So the timing to jump in is right now, because you can binge through all of them. So there you go. Kevin can fuck himself.

Kevin can fuck himself. What's that one on? It is on AMC. AMC, okay. Yep. Perfect. Brian, you got any headlines for us, man? I have a few.

I'm going to start with some TV news. Dexter, the revival, is officially titled Dexter New Blood, and will premiere November 7th. Any news on who's playing the villain? There's always a big bad each season. From what I understand, it's going to be Clancy Brown. Oh, okay. Cool.

Great actor. Man, I never got too into Dexter, but I know people are pretty stoked about this. Yeah, I'm doing a rewatch, right? Not a rewatch. I never really watched the show, but I'm enjoying this so far. Yeah, I've seen episodes. I've never actually watched it.

Let's see. Creep Show, Season 3, returning September 23rd. That's a kind of quick turnaround for a creep show. Yeah. It's been getting better, you said, right? Yeah. Um, that second season, I thought, was a lot better than the first. It was shorter, though, so I think that was probably for the best.

Yeah. Okay. Well, hey, shorter season, better shows, I'll take it. Lance, this should get you excited. Pet Cemetery News. Oh, I'm all ears. Yes. The prequel, the upcoming prequel, has nabbed Pam Greer joining the cast.

Okay. Holy shit. Is it going to be set like in the 70s? All I know is it's a prequel to the original, so. That would be fucking awesome. Bad ass. It actually might be. It might be further back, because I think they're, I forgot the actor's name, but they're going for a young, what's the character? The old guy. Oh, I got you.

John Lick-O? No, not for the new one. Judd Crandall, right? Yeah, they're going for a younger version of him. Okay. I'm all in. Cool. All right.

Let's see here. I'm probably going to, I say his name wrong every time. Timo Tejanto. He's done movies like, May the Devil take you? The Night Comes for Us. Headshot, VHS. Oh, okay. He's teaming up with Scott Derrickson, which you guys know he did.

Sinister, Dr. Strange, they're teaming up for an upcoming project. So I'm pretty excited about that. That'll be the often talked about Outer Limits rehash he tried to do for a while. It might be. Might be. That sounds great. I should love Outer Limits. Oh, yeah.

Let's see. I got one more thing this dropped today as we are recording Universal and Peacock Spend. where happened my notes sorry guys my notes just disappeared they've been buying

so many international shows lately I've been noticing oh yeah peacock yeah like they'll air it like a year later after it's already aired

but you know we the rest of the world get to see it because it's one of their exclusive right that's pretty cool yeah we were talking about they should make

one called the Poppycock Network that sounds like poppycock Oh, God. All right, here we go. Universal and Peacock spend a whopping $400 million. Damn. For the Exorcist trilogy that they're going to make.

Wait a minute. I hope it's good. Don't fuck this up. Yeah, they're going to make. They're going to make it because Ellen Burstyn's on it. Kevin Gordon Green is attached. Yep. Oh, boy.

So, oh, don't fuck this up. from being the indie comedy guy to the horror rehash guy. Oh, man. Leslie Odom Jr. from Hamilton and the upcoming Knives Out 2 will star. Like Cameron said, David Gordon Green is directing. Wait a minute. He's going to start. Is he going to be the one who gets possessed?

No. That'll be a twist. From what it says here, as the story goes, Odom Jr. will play a father of a possessed child, desperate for help. He tracks down Miss Bernstein's character, which you guys know was Reagan's mother in the original. Okay, that's cool then.

Thank God it's not an actual remake then. So, no, it's, this is a new trilogy that is coming right after the original one. So these are not remakes or reboots. I am much better with it now, that I know that. Maybe the same demon. I used to know the gal who was, I think she still lives around parts of here, who was the script supervisor for the brief prequel show they did on Fox in Chicago.

It was a good show. Yeah, Brian loved that. Yeah, and much like Damien, you know, which was an omen. Yeah. Starter kit. It's just a lot. The audience was there and it just didn't really take off, which was a shame. Yeah, because I've never heard anything but good stuff about that show.

I don't know how it got canceled. Yeah, I actually thought it got better in the second season. Yeah, right? I can't remember if you guys covered it. Has there been any updates on Gordon Green's Hellraiser anthology show for HBO? It's still in pre-production. It's still happening, so. Looks like it might be a return to their tells from the crypt kind of.

I would love that, actually. Yeah, that sounds like a pretty good combo. Signed to you. Yep, let's see any other things. Scott Teams, Danny McBride, are attached to also help co-write this trilogy with David Gordon Green. Danny McBride, look at him. Yeah, he's worked with Green's under screenplay, so it's like, yeah. At least person you'd expect.

Yeah, like picking up some pretty major horror. franchises. What's the story? Panhead is trying to score some weed or what? Some Pineapple Express. Torturing homeless drug dealers. I don't know, man.

Danny McBride is good at this. I guess. Yeah. I'm kind of excited. It's what he said he actually wanted to do before he got into comedy. He wanted to write like horror and fantasy and stuff like that.

Wow. A lot of horror fans do. I mean, you guys know yourself. I tend to be big comedy nuts, too. So it's just like, it's a perfect combo. It is. Like, you think of those two as very opposite ends of the spectrum, and I don't think that they are, man.

Horror and comedy kind of go hand in hand. When you go to the schlucky or cheesy ones, it's like, well, you kind of got to have a sense of humor, just like you would with stupid action movies. So it's like, yeah. Exactly. They are going for an October 13, 20, 23 release. So.

It's great. Damn. And that's all the new. Oh, real quick. Jordan Peel released a poster for his upcoming movie. No. Synopsis, nothing. It's just called, nope.

Nope. Nope. What a name. So I just want to throw that out there. All right. Nope. Yeah, that's a weird poster. Is that like a cloud or a UFO or what is that?

Nope. He's still in this for Nolan's. thunder by the less you know the better. I guess so. That's a good thing. Hey, I mean, that's that's what's made the rest of his stuff pretty good so far. I had no idea what I was watching going into it. Thank God. Yeah, yeah. I love watching his stuff without being spoiled, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, he's got Daniel Kalua returning from Get Out and Stephen Young from The Walking Dead. Glenn. Yeah, Glenn himself. He'll always be Glenn to me. Yeah. All right, Lance is it. Is that it?

Yep. All right. Cameron, now, where do you live? You're in Texas like me and Phil, right? Yes, sir. Dallas area. Dallas area. I know y'all have got trailer.

I know y'all have got trailer parks. Oh, it's jungle out there. So you've got plenty of trailer parks in Dallas, right? that trains and cluster fucks in the road all right well Brian

Brian's about to take us down to the trailer park he's going to get the big the small and sometimes the very very weird just in case you wanted some meth okay perfect all right we got one trailer this week and this is malignant

Phil this is James Juan directing not producing I had questions when that fucking screen first came up it said from James Juan

and I was like wait what the fuck does that mean no this is actually this is not just something he threw his name on this is his latest feature

quick synops Spired piece yes yeah exactly synopsis goes Madison is paralyzed by shocking visions of grizzly murders, and her torment worsens as she discovers that these waking dreams are in fact terrifying realities. This stars Annabelle Wallace, Maddie Hansen, George Young, and others. Camry. A lot twist if Annabelle Wallace gets to play the doll Annabelle.

Just going to be fucking terrible. What did you think of the trailer? Or did you see it? I have not seen the trailer. I have been seeing the poster and outline. It seems like everyone's pretty passionate about it, regardless of, you know, whether or not the fans of the filmmaker or not, it just seems like just to step in a different direction. Yeah, I'll jump in first. I was, I'm excited for him to actually direct something instead of just throwing his name as an executive producer.

Yeah. You can only do so much torture porn. Yeah. I'm also excited that he is going the Jallo route, but I have to be honest, this trail, it did not grab me. I was just kind of, I don't know. I got the Jalo feel, but it just didn't really, I don't know, it just, it didn't pull me in. It kind of seemed like something I've already seen before and the whatever the supernatural element. And it didn't, didn't grab me either. I was kind of, oh, we're going to review it, but Yeah. Right now I'm kind of going in. It's a rental.

Not really expecting much. I can understand that. Man, but I got to say, uh, I did kind of love it. It makes me excited, I have faith. It makes me excited that James Wan is directing it. And, uh, he hasn't really steered us wrong yet. So, I mean, this could be where he falls off the wagon and he could end, uh, up like an

M. Night Shyamalan, where you know, you don't know whether it's... Wholeshattowing. Well, I know. Listen, everybody fucking knows. All right.

Whether it's going to be great or whether it's going to be like, yeah, that's all right. Yeah. So I... It does look good and I have faith. I see where you're saying about the,

like, the demon aspect or whatever that fucking thing is that's crawling in at the end. I like the scene. Shadow that keeps following her. Yeah. I like the scene. I think it's scary, but maybe not the kind of scary I want. I guess we'll see when the movie comes out. I can see where you're coming from with the trailer, though.

I still have faith. I'm excited. It's for Blumhouse, I think, right? I, let me double check. Seven, Sabon films or, Skate. Warner Brothers. Oh, okay. This actually will be

the thing Warner Brothers and HBO Max are doing with the dual release. Ah, okay. Makes sense. Max might be the best way to go about it. So it's going to be the next space jam then, huh?

Five times. Oh, man. You know, I saw it before before I saw old at the theater Friday. And I'm pretty excited about this trailer too, man. I think it was a really well-done trailer. Pretty brilliantly edited together. I think it gave us just enough to kind of...

It got me interested, and I don't think it gave anything away, like any plot twist or anything like that. You kind of get the gist of what it's about. And, yeah, that creature at the very end that was, you know, creeping up behind her and getting ready to spoon was pretty scary. Pretty scary looking. So I love the graphics.

I love the way she would be sitting. Well, I love the way she would be sitting there and the camera turned around and you can see things in the background like melting and like moving around and stuff like that. So you weren't really quite sure what was reality and what was in her mind. So I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm looking forward to it. I have no doubt. I have no doubt it'll look good.

But will it be? good. Yeah. There you go. I guess you're kind of getting a Candyman or Nightmare on Elm Street kind of vibe from it since it's involving nightmares and dreams. Makes sense. A little bit, yeah. Yeah.

I don't think it'll be as cheesy. I don't either. I think it'll be good. I'm all for it. I'm ready. All right. September 10th. So not too far away.

And before we get out of the trailer park, did you guys see the new Dune trailer? Yes. I'm not, but I'm liking the art design and some of the other new photos. It's like, okay, this is definitely going to be very stunning. This, it is almost four-minute trailer, but to me... Yes, it is. It did not... For me, honestly, it didn't feel like four minutes because I was just in awe of what I was seeing.

I think this could be like my top three movies of the year. year when it comes out. Wow. Strong works, man. I love... I love... I doubt about this movie. Well, they can be quiet because I love the cast in it, the special effects, and just the cinematography and everything just look amazing. Yeah. Dennis Van Gogh has never let me down. I know some people like to rag on Blade Runner and two, and I don't talk to them, but I really do get a fit.

that he he's like the he's always been the perfect mix of just kind of art house David Lean type spectacle and just grim psychological kind of

themes that you typically get in a Swedish or German film and he just kind of has just really always brought that to the table and I mean and yeah it'll be on max the same day as in theaters despite his protest so I mean

everyone can kind of do what they did with any other kind of five hour cut, just take it in pieces. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. That was actually really great about the whole Justice League thing. Yeah.

Pause it and walk off. Yeah. Well, see, with malignant, I'll probably do HBO Max, but Dune, I have to be in the theater for that one. Yeah. Man, you're going to have to not drink anything before you go in there. Well, you know, they make bags for that, you know? For the Avengers, Avengers End game, they invented like a bag that you could hide in your jeans.

Have you heard about this? It's a real thing. Yeah, the guys from Benchcasts were talking about it, Brian. But I can say having just reread the book, there's definitely some scenes in here that are

just referred to in the book. They were like talked about as this is what happened before the main family arrived on the planet. And so I like the fact that they're kind of going back and showing the flashback scenes out, a lot of movies don't really do that. So it looks interesting.

He's trying to do like the first free books, I believe, right? Yeah, what's he trying to get into this? I thought it was just the first half of the first book. Does anyone know the status on that? I thought he was splitting it up in the sequel a bit. It just says feature adaption of the fiction novel. So I guess they're just going off of the first one. all right yeah I know for sure it's cut in half so this it's the first half of something I don't know if it's the first few books or if it's the first half of the first book I'm not sure how that works

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But we're not going to talk about the amusement part this week, huh? No, I don't want to. Although the thought did pop in my head a couple of times during both of these movies. First we'll do the visit. Two children spend a week at their grandparents' house while their single mom goes on a relaxing vacation with her boyfriend. Becca decides to film a documentary about her grandparents to help her mom reconnect with her parents and find out some things about her parents as well. While filming, Becca and her little brother Tyler discover a dark secret about their grandparents. The twist.

Yeah. As T. Diamond Stylist. Was it a twist? Was it a twist? That's a good point. But, you know, we judge M. Night Shyamalan differently. so uh all right uh brian do you want to go first was it a twist no i saw it halfway through um i did enjoy the movie um mostly based off the performances of

the the old couple at this especially uh the quote-unquote grandma i thought she just kind of kind of got wacky when it needed to get wacky i mean i still love that scene Yassie, you know. Love that. That was actually a pretty good one. But the grandson, the boy, he, oh my gosh, I want to kick this kid in the nuts, man. He just really took me out of it.

He was like on the line for me. Yeah, and then M. Knight Shaman had the nerve to finish the movie off with him rapping. Come on now. I had enough. throughout the movie. But, yeah, this is probably when you, if you rank

Charmalan's twist endings, this, this is probably on the lower end for me. Because clearly this wasn't their parents. And then when you got the reveal of the mother realizing

that this is not her parents, you know, kids get, I don't know, it wasn't even seem like there was much urgency to get her kids out of there really just kind of the whole third act kind of fell apart for me I got me we did

get a disgusting scene with a diaper which yeah that was interesting but yeah this is definitely not one of my favorite shamalan movies it's not bad

but I don't hold it up there with his best all right well that makes sense. And that's kind of what I was saying. You know, we, we judge Shao Malin a little differently than we would just some random-ass director. If it was a random-ass director, I'd be like, oh, that's not a bad movie. Cameron, what do you think? I have always struggled to get into this one. And at the same time, I got to recommend it because it was just showing that he was trying different

formulas and you know you also it makes a little better since when you realize he filmed it for like 5,000 bucks or something you know it's like oh wow it was extremely low budget and it you know because it was successful he was able to finally get some creative power back and that's why he was able to finish the glass trilogy huh i did not realize that yeah i mean after years of fox and other people tampering with his other movies that weren't big hits it's like yeah i mean he wants to go back to doing his Twilight Zone X-Files type of filmmaking. So, right?

And like you guys, I don't like to ever act like, you know, someone is a beyond, you know, making a comeback because, you know, everyone's going to have some rough period in their career or do movies that is like, well, not too fond of that era. I've even had multiple times that to tell certain people is like the direct, you know, and Shaman is definitely a perfect example. It's like he doesn't always necessarily have all the creative control or.

some of his endings have been a little wonky but if you enjoy the first two-thirds you know you shouldn't just shit all over the movie and act like it was all for nothing so kind of like it's kind of like a good comparison I kind of go more Brian DePaulo with my comparison when I say there's good filmmakers who make more bad movies than good it's possible you can still like them all right Lance, what do you think? Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, I was just going to say, but yeah, like you said before, the, the grandparent was pretty much a scene stiller. Yeah, I definitely feel like I've kind of seen this movie before somewhere. It was a little formula, but yeah, it was like the acting was there at least.

Yeah, that's true. Lance, what did you think? All right, this one's going to be all you guys tonight, because I've seen this movie once a long, long time ago, and it was going to have stuck. It's when I was stuck at a wreck. So I would have to look down at the movie and then inch up a couple of feet and then look down at the movie and then inch up a couple of feet. So I remember there was a rapping kid, like little...

Yeah, he was the one that Ryan wanted to kick in the nuts. Yeah, he was right. Okay, that's about all I remember. I remember the quote-unquote twist. That was about it. So I'll let you guys take this one. All right. Well, I'm, yeah, I think I pretty much agree with everything you guys said.

It was definitely not his best outing, but it wasn't a bad movie. It just, if you're like, hey, M. Night Shyamalan, this is not really what you expect from that. I do like the found footage thing, and it kind of had more of a slow burn to it, where, you know, we're Like paranormal activity, weird stuff starts happening and then it sort of grows exponentially. Yeah. I will say it did do a good job in the beginning of making you think that there was other reasons why the grandparents were acting like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it was like possible that they weren't fucking nuts.

But then, I don't know, somewhere in the middle of the movie, it did get a little boring. It was like, burned it a little too slow and lost the fire for a second. But then they relit it, and I didn't mind the last half, but that's kind of what makes or breaks a lot of movies, especially for Shyamalan as the ending. And while it wasn't really a twist, I guess, I don't want to get too spoilery, but it was, it wasn't really a twist.

Yeah, I know. It wasn't really a twist, though. You know what I mean? It was like, oh, well, that's sort of what they've been building up to the whole time. It was a little more easily foreseeable than like the six cents. So, you know, it's not, what was that one that he made, Lady on the Lake? Lady in the Water. Yeah. I've actually never seen that one. Yeah. I could never get into that one, but he was kind of still kind of like in post, yeah, six cents. science territory where he's like, well, I don't really know if I want to go sci-fi or horror routes. I'm just going to have a random fantasy, you know, with a bunch of people talking about this supernatural entity. Like, I mean, he's already super on the list as far as directors whose name, you know,

right now with the sixth sense on its own, he did a lot. And so it's hard to, it's hard to hit that mark every time. hopefully he keeps on growing and will be one of the greats, or he could just kind of fall into obscurity, I guess. But we'll see. I think his name is... Wayward Pines. You know what?

I actually was going to start it, but I didn't get around to it. Is it any good? I don't mind it so far, but I'm told that season two is pants, so keep that in mind. Okay. But it was kind of his attempt at a Twin Peaks kind of formula. Okay. Makes sense. I was going to say, I really, I think he's already at a level that his name is out there to where he has a new movie coming out.

People are going to go see it regardless of how people felt about the previous one. And he's, and they should because he's a very talented director. Like, I'm not saying that at all. That's what I'm saying. Like, he's because he nailed it so hard with the six. sense, which even if you fucking hate that movie, it's a good movie. Right. He had a style and signature. Yeah.

It was just he, like every person who got big, he had some stumbles. And it's like, well, that's going to happen to anyone, regardless of whether or not their name is Scorsese or Spilberg. Right. The Sixth Sense was like my, I think my third favorite movie of 1999, but 99 was my favorite year in film ever. So that's saying quite a bit. Yeah, but like, is he going to be Mike Tyson or is he going to be Buster Douglas? Both names live in infamy. All right, let's do scores.

Brian, what do you think? Hmm, I didn't hate it. I did see the twist coming. I did like the performances for majority of the cast. I That kid is kind of fucking annoying I understand I do wish

we got more Catherine Hahn in it because I love Catherine Han Yeah Agatha did it I'm gonna give it a

six and a half Not bad two thirds good That's fair See I'm forgotten Catherine Hahn was even in it I would have rewatched it with that man I've got a big crush

If you ever watch that show, one of her first shows Crossing Jordan? You know what? Never seen it. It's a medical drama, right? It's medical crime mystery. Wow. That's a big hit. I know that.

All right, Cameron, what do you think? I'm kind of with you guys. It's like, for the performances. If you're not too keen on it, you're not missing much. But as a Shaman fan, you owe it to at least check it out. It's a like it or hate it five out. 10. Okay.

That was lower than I expected it to be. There goes Ben Diesel. I'm going to go, I think six and a half is a good solid score for it. I like that. That makes sense to me. Because it's, yeah, it's not an awful movie.

It's just, you know, you're not going to get blown away by it. Right? That's just, it is what it is. All right, Lance, do you have a score that you want to do or no? No, I don't remember it. Well, I didn't even remember the Catherine Hahn was in it. So for fuck sake, man, I can't give it a score.

I had to see Space Jam five fucking times this week, all right? I didn't want it to. I had kind of forgotten the twist on it. And then so it was it was sort of refreshing, trying to watch it again. But yeah, got old in the middle. Speaking of which, our next movie is old. This summer, visionary filmmaker M. Night Shyamalan unveils a chilling, mysterious new thriller of my family

on a tropical holiday who discover that the secluded beach where they were relaxing for a few hours is somehow causing them to age rapidly. You almost sounded like you were doing a Don Lafontaine means towards a Kai impression. reducing their entire lives into a single day this was an interesting twist one i think we'll see director of course is um knight shaman based on the graphic novel sandcastle by pierre oscar levy and frederick peters i just ordered it on amazon i've got to read it now

oh okay that makes sense see i i didn't know that Um, M. Night Shyamalan said the subject matter of the film in which the group of people find themselves trapped on an isolated beach, dealing with a deadly phenomenon mirrored in the experience of being in a lockdown and the uncertainty of the coronavirus pandemic, adding it was strange. We were making a film that had nothing to do with the pandemic, but at the same time, it was absolutely about the fear and uncertainty we were all feeling. The fear of infection. It made us think very deep. about death, about survival, and about being in the lockdown. This idea of being stuck in a situation and not being able to leave. Huh. Filmed in 2020 during the height of the global coronavirus pandemic, potential infections. M. Night Shyamalan said of the production, the main priority was to keep everyone safe and well. Despite all of us living and working together over a period of months, nobody became sick

which was fantastic. Otherwise, you get a virus from Shabalon himself. I know. Now that's a fucking story. Probably his next movie. How'd you get the virus, dude? How close were you? What were you doing?

I entered the seventh sense. Oh! Oh, no, seven cents. Where's that one located? Is it between his legs? I bet that's where it is. Is that what he calls it? Aye, aye, aye.

I know the Ron Jeremy sense. Oh, no. All right, Cameron, what did you think about old? I was trying to say before the text. I couldn't find a theater that was playing it. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. It's all good. But I do want to see it, and I've seen some of the bashing it's getting.

But it's sounding like a lot of these same reviewers are the same ones attacking all the other. guys like Wachowski's or something. They're not big fantasy, sci-fi horror fans, so. Oh, man, you might have to piece out when we do the spoiler alert then, dude. I don't want you to... I mean, it's up to you.

If you want to stick around, great. But we can definitely understand if you want to go offline and I'll message you when we're... No, no, it's fine. I mean, I'm fine with spoilers because sometimes that makes me look at other details that the film like Easter eggs.

Makes sense. And those are fun with Shama. on, actually. Multiple times anyway, because if I've seen it six times and I still don't like it, then that's when I just throw in the towel and say, fuck it. Yeah. I know that other people don't have that patience, so. All right. Well, on to our missing man, Lance.

Oh, you guys want me to go next? Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, oh, man. All right. You know what? I can honestly say that there haven't been too many movies that I've disliked this year.

It's kind of interesting. And I don't know if it's just because we're finally out in the movie theaters again. We've had this discussion. Am I right, Brian? Unless direct-to-video garbage. Well, you know what? Speaking of direct-to-video, quote-unquote, garbage, and movie that got a lot of hate that I loved was Army of the Dead, right?

Yeah. Yep. I fucking love that movie. Just the opening sequence alone jettisoned it up to my favorite movie of the year. And I'm having a lot of trouble finding a bottom 10. So, oh, man, where do I start here with this movie? So, yeah, M. Knight, he's had a pretty interesting career.

I mean, you know, there's a couple of films that I can think of off the top of my head. All right, so I was at my son's house a couple weeks ago. Phil, you were with me, so you remember this. I was asking them about the last Air Bender, right? Oh, yeah. Because they fucking love the cartoon. And was it just me, dude, or were they, like, watching that cartoon almost the entire time we were there? Oh, yeah.

No, they were in the middle of a rewatch. Yeah. And I asked my son, how many times have you watched this series? He says, I think it's like 10. And so I asked, well, what did you think about M. Knight's Avatar last Airbander? And he looked at me, if looks could kill him. right Phil? Yeah.

I forgot that was his. That, that, yeah. Oh, that hurts. And then there was that after earth or another earth or whatever the fuck it was called with Will and Willette or whatever. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was him too? Fuck.

Yeah. But then again, but then again on the other end of the spectrum, like you guys said, you got the six cents. Now, a couple of movies that I absolutely adore that most people fucking hate. or let's say they're divisive. And that would be Lady in the Water because I'm a huge fantasy reader. I read a lot of

fantasy books and I'm really into that and I just got that vibe from it. And I love Paul Giamati in it. Right. So yeah, fuck me, right? Everybody else hates it, but I love it. Same thing. Same thing with the village. That fucking twist gets me

every fucking time and that's why Antebellum was on my top 10 last year because I just love that specific twist. I can understand the village. You know what? So those are my one, two, and three, right? So I, six cents, my absolute favorite of all time that he's directed and then followed by the village and then Lady in the Water.

This is displaced two of those. This is now my second favorite M. Knight film. Really? And I fucking loved the way that. I went in just kind of feeling like I was on a trip from start to finish and I was completely sober watching it. But for some reason, and a lot of people are talking about the Stilton dialogue and like the way specifically the character who plays the nurse,

it is kind of like he's reading from cue cards, or reading from a script. And I honestly think that's by design. What was that film that came out a couple of years ago where they spoke really, really weird? But it was a haunting film. At the end, something about the sacred deer.

Killing of a sacred deer. I got the same vibe with some of the way the lines were set. But then again, you had a couple of characters that were just really given it there all. I thought Rufus Sewell was brilliant in this. He's always a great actor. Oh, my God. And I loved the two main stars. Alex Wolfe, to me, just picks the best roles out there.

I'm going to be checking out pig this week for sure, Brian. Okay. There weren't any awkward actions like in Hereditary, were there? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I thought the make... That kid's going to be great. You know what?

He is already great, man. And I'm going to tell you right now. I thought the makeup was phenomenal. I thought the special effects were great. I thought the way that he filmed it, where there were certain scenes, where it only showed like characters' legs or their torso and their legs or something,

but you didn't see the face. I love the way that the... Of course, we're not going to talk about it until spoilers, but I personally love the twist. It was my second favorite twist after, you know, after his Sixth Sense movie. And we'll go into that in more detail later. And there's a reason that I think this movie came out when it did.

And that's why I really want to be. want to read the graphic novel, I want to see, did he follow the same twist from the graphic novel, or did he kind of make it up? I thought every character did their job in this, in this movie, and I thought that it was just disjointed enough and just, like, confusing enough at the beginning, that it really threw me off. And again, I felt like I was kind of on an acid trip the entire time that I was, that I was watching the movie. I'm kind of being that from a signature style. Do you think that's kind of deliberate? Because, like, You did see glass, right?

Yes. Okay. You notice how one of the complaints everyone liked away against that movie was the doctors are acting on professional. It's like, well, yeah, because it's not a real mental psych ward. You know? Without spoiling it, it's the cake is a lie. So it's like, and I kind of noticed he kind of always has all his doctor, scientist characters kind of, again, like you say, kind of cue card acting. just making people who are purists in film buffs like to act like, oh, it's not great acting.

It's like, well, he's going for a very natural everyday kind of thing, and real-life people aren't necessarily good actors. So he still wants to kind of feel a little more authentic and show how insecure all the characters are. That's kind of what I'm getting from his style. And from what you've described, it seems like he was going for that same kind of formula. Yeah, that's a great point, man. I like the way that they did the setup because they had to have a setup, right?

To get them there, there had to be a reason, which you had no idea until the end what the reason was, but there had to be some kind of a setup. So what I kept doing in the scene where they were first being introduced to the other characters that were there is I've really paid attention

more than normal to details, right? So, okay, why are they bringing them specific drinks that they say we match this to the profile of the drink you would most like and we prepared it for you and this one specifically for you and those little details and I knew the kid was going to come into play. I don't want to say too much more but I don't know man I mean this was just this got me from start to finish and okay so it's an hour and 48 minute movie I could have sworn this thing like it was an hour and 20 minutes it just it felt like I was in there and out of there, but then again,

looking back on it, it kind of felt like I lived the entire day with these people. I just loved it. I just fucking love this movie. This is my new favorite film of the year. Wow. I think this is my second favorite M-night movie at this point.

I'm going to be watching it this week with AJ, and I'm hoping that it's available on the high seas fairly soon because this is one that I'm going to watch over and over and over. And you know what? I knew as soon as I finished this movie, I knew that I was going to go to IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes,

and there was going to be a shitload of one out of tens, and there was going to be a shitload of 10 out of tens. Because this is like mother. This is like this year's mother for me. It's incredibly divisive. Once again, just like with mother, I end up on the high end of it. There's a lot that end up on the low end.

I understand their points. But for fuck's sake, man, this was what I needed. just the right time. I love this film. Do you feel like some of his loyal fans were disappointed because they were expecting more of a horror angle and they got kind of more, like you said, a lady in the water kind of fantasy?

No, this movie was fucking terrifying. Oh, my God, it was creepy. Oh, my God, it was terrifying. And I don't know if that's because I'm the old dude of the group, but when they were showing some of the aging, I just felt it.

I fucking felt it. And I thought the makeup up job. We're not giving anything away that's not in the trailer. In fact, the trailer gave away too much. So in other words... I kind of wish the trailer hadn't had quite as many scenes in it, but I think he did a great job

making, you know, he used what he had to work with. He only changed actors a few times and yet he still seemed to give that impression that these people were aging, you know, the 50 years in one day or whatever it was. Maybe all the bad reviews are

millennials who don't know how terrifying is to be a boomer. I know. It's certainly possible. Some trolls. LaSot the vampire, right? There you go. All right. Brian.

Yes, it is. Real quick, I think we have somebody joining us. What? What's up? Yo, I'm still alive. Oh, shit. Oh, I can't wait to hear, man. California is on fire. So.

Yeah, literally, huh? And all you action returns and stream fiends were, like Brian said last week, we're still, we're on hiatus until everything goes back to normal in the area I'm at because my internet's out for over like a month. And it's just wild. But I have been watching a lot of stuff.

We've got a lot of stuff coming for you for action returns. We still got to finish our house party, saga oh yeah and a house party oh we have we have to because you made me watch four and five yeah

there's a four and five what the fuck yeah I think five was more recent right yeah there shouldn't be a four and five I was to say that they ended with three but um

what if they crossed it over with don't tell mom the babysitter's dead or Ferris Fuehler I do. Before, let me get mine about the movie before everyone else. Because I might have to jet in a minute.

Go for it. I thought the movie was awesome. Yeah. It wasn't he was. Right. It wasn't hella good, but it was enjoyable. Yeah, I agree. They put too much in the trailer.

From what I understand, understand the movie companies want them to put a lot in the trailer. I don't know why. To me, I think it's because they hire companies where their job is to, you know, make movie trailers for them. Yeah, I think they just put too much. Luckily, my son and my wife didn't see the trailer. So they didn't know anything that was going to happen. So they went into it fresh and not knowing anything about it.

We have, my wife and I have watched all the M-night movies. This is the first one my son watched and he enjoyed it. But I liked what they did. I liked the setting. I had to watch a few videos to kind of, I kind of got what was happening, but I wanted to be sure on what was going on. And why this beach was doing this. So I was like, okay, I can buy it. But, I mean, overall, I thought it was good.

I thought all the little kids, when they wore little kids, I thought they were really good actors. The brother and the sister and the other little kid that was hanging out with them, I thought he was really good. The one guy from Hereditary, the terrorist guy from Patriots. Yeah. I like him just about everything. So I thought he did a good job. I hated the fucking blonde skinny

shit you were supposed to man I know man but she got all my nerves so she didn't know well acting for you yeah we well we'll get into that later but there was a part that it was

terrifying she was another one of the women from Man Max Ferry Road oh look at that that movie was garbage to no what Nahz.

You're crazy. That's hashtag not my Max Rocket Tance. Ah, well, of course. You never know, man. We're going to do that one. I watched the new one, the furious one. I was down with her.

But, I mean, overall, I liked what was happening. And yeah, fuck yeah, it was scary. I'm the second oldest of the group. And, yeah, I was sitting thinking like, fuck, man. I mean, Lance, we're

we're halfway there. We're more than halfway there, brother. I'm afraid. But, yeah, it'd make me think, would I want to be on this beach? Hell, no. Be dead in a matter of minutes. But it was. I was just, I was just sitting there thinking like, fuck, man.

There's a lot I want to do before it's time to lay in that box. But I was just kind of into that. Um, the, uh, the doctor guy, the one that was with the, the blonde girl. Oh, man, I hate that fool. Now I'm gonna hate him and I see him. Remember a night's tail? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You have been weighed. You have been measured. Yeah. Um, he's a good bad guy. Overall, what was happening, um, not to give anything away. I was like, all right, cool. I mean, one thing, when it got to the end, I was, I was, like, I was, like, all right, cool. I mean, one thing, when it got to the end, I was. like, all right, right on. It wasn't your typical M-night movie, but it's not always about that. It's not always about his endings. Yeah, a lot of people think about that, but I thought his storytelling and what he was trying to tell in this, it was good. Yeah, it was all just pretty much make-believe, but it was, it was a good idea. I know a lot, there's a lot of people that hate this guy for the movies he's done. I'm probably one of the very few that like the happening and like the village. But I, I, I, I'm a great comedy. The only movie I hated was Last Airbender. That is not like that. That's cool.

Everything you mentioned has come up. And to be fair, it doesn't, he doesn't consider it his movie on her because, yeah, he got kicked out of the editing room. So, you know what? Signs was pretty good. I'm just good. Yeah. Yeah. One that he didn't direct that I really liked was, what was the devil?

Yeah. That was good. That was a good one. That was fine. Yeah. I haven't watched that show that's on Apple yet, but I want to. Seeing good stuff on that one. Yeah.

Yeah. And so do you feel like he's going to kind of his best asset right now is to just keep being unpredictable? Or is he kind of going to do more stuff kind of similar to old, do you feel? I'd rather have him just do his own thing. I mean, just keep coming with the ideas that he's coming with. I don't want him to be one of those directors, hey, we're going to make a new Star Trek or we're going to make a new Star Wars. Yeah, no, not implying franchises, but just a certain kind of style.

Because everyone kind of goes to some of their... Is he always going to do a twist? I'd rather have him do his own thing. Don't... Don't have someone else do it, write the story, and... Right. And here, we need you because you're a name. I'd rather have him.

him just do his own stuff. Because like I said, I mean, I, I like seeing everything he's done. I didn't like all of it. Unbreakable to me is his best movie. Great. Glass was terrible. But I mean, I love the sixth sense like everyone else. But I mean, but what he did with this one, I mean, when a lot of people, when his name comes

across the street, that's why he didn't put his name on, what was that one with, Will Smith and his son. After Earth. Yeah, he didn't put his name on it. He didn't tell anybody. Because he knew it sucked. I thought it was all right. I liked it.

But, I mean, that's why they kept that as secret because when the movie was over and his name came across the street, half the people in the theater went, ugh. And I was just like, but it did bother me. I thought it wasn't what it was. That was the realization.

Ah, that's why this sucked. Maybe we should all rewatch. it. Maybe all these movies are meant to be seen 20 times more than our... I've only seen that one once, and I liked it for what it was. Maybe I need to watch it again. Maybe I ate it, but... It wasn't Battlefield or it died away. Like, everyone liked to make it out of the video. I was just like, man. Yeah. Okay. I don't even think I could sit through that again. Brian, don't ever put that on that.

I've unfortunately seen Battlefield multiple times thanks to riff tracks. I've never watched it. It's a great comedy. I mean, nothing against you Scientologist, but no, that movie was terrible. It was terrible, but it's brilliantly bad. Maybe I need to watch it again. I only saw one thing. It's probably throwing more popcorn at the screen because they're like, oh, my God.

I mean, but what he did with old, I mean, I liked what was happening. Yes, he was in it a little too much. I like it when he just kind of pops up and that's it. But they kind of made it. Well, he didn't really have that much of a big part. He was mainly just there. But it was cool. I mean, I liked what was going on.

The cast of characters, once they all got to this beach, and all the weirdness happened. I mean, no spoilers, because everything you see in the trailer is pretty much what was going on. I don't know about mid-sized sedan or whatever his name was. Like, did that name? That was to me. that was like, from Dost till dawn

four mid-sized today. That was a terrible rapper name. Yeah. I know. I want to hear why he named that guy that character.

I was like, really? He must be listening to weird rap music, especially with the visit connection here. Yeah, with the kid

of the visit. Right, I get it. What kind of weird rap music are you listening to, M. Knight? Yeah, I'm in status.

I mean, but I thought that the whole, the whole time of the whole feeling of dread was right there and once it started it never left because you were like fuck

because when they were trying to figure out what was going on and why everybody was getting old I mean I thought that was good because it was like time was ticking. Yep, you're running out of time literally right? Yeah so it's like we need to get our brains quick and

try to figure this out because I mean we're dying by the second so but I thought that was a good idea. But, I mean, again, with the end, it was what it was. And I went, okay, I can accept it, but I, did I want a little more explanation? Yes, but I mean, I was satisfied with, when the movie was said and done. You felt like you played it a little too safe or just right? But you still wanted more because you were invested enough. Yeah, I think he didn't want to go too far. I was kind of, for me, as an M-night fan, I was kind of hoping that this was linked to something else

in his universe, but, uh, okay. I didn't, I didn't catch anything. I didn't catch nothing. I don't know. Maybe someone else did. I didn't, I didn't either. It was like its own story, I thought. I was really eyeing everything in the background.

Every time they showed some kind of name across the screen, be it the name of the hotel or just if something appeared, I was trying to open. I was going to link that to other things, and I couldn't come up with them. And all the videos I watched, nobody mentioned that this was linked to something out. I think this was just a one and done. In movie advertising. Yeah. So, but a red herring.

But overall, once it was said and done, I really liked what was happening. I liked the whole cast of characters. I mean, they made you like these people. They made you hate these people. And I thought they all did. I thought everybody did a really good job. As far as scenery, I thought the whole beach looked cool. But when the camera pulled back and you could see the cliffs and everything, that CGI wasn't the greatest.

But from what I understand, they did pretty much build all that. So I was like, all right, cool, right on. I think they did this in the Dominican Republic, I think. Oh, wow. Okay. I think they filmed it there because I remember watching. some stuff and they had they had to build some of that that wall that um that cliff wall and then they cgized on top of that i didn't think that was the greatest but um uh other cg i in it we'll

talk about that if we get to we'll get into spoilers i like what they did and i'm i'm glad the lighting they used during that scene was cool so and that was pretty spooky so but other than I was just fucking dreading the whole time and dreading sitting there like damn I'm getting old but I mean I when the movie was over I enjoyed it I definitely want to go see this again I look at

two badass reviews Brian do you agree with them? Yes I do I was definitely entertained by this for the most part I enjoyed everybody in the movie you definitely had the people that you were rooting for

and you definitely had the people that you were rooting against. We already talked about Alex Wolfe. I think he's a great actor. He's in a lot of good roles. I liked him in this. But the one that I'm going to start watching out for is the one that played his sister, Thomas and McKenzie. She was beside this. She was in Jojo Rabbit.

Oh, that's who that was. Yeah, she's in the upcoming Edgar Wright movie Last Night in Soho. Guys. Wow. I thought she was pretty good in it. Okay. Yeah, I did for a minute there. I guess since we're doing our age here, I'm the third oldest one on the panel.

Time's thinking, man. Yeah, it makes you think. Yeah, and just one of the things that I thought he did really well in this movie was the beach. Because one minute you're just looking at the beach. how beautiful it is, but at the same time you just get this eerie feel every now and then with certain camera angles and camera

shots, and yeah, the effects of them aging and other things happening rapidly was, to me, I don't know why anybody says this is not horror, that was terrifying to me, especially when we

get to spoilers, a certain character, their outcome was definitely horrifying to me. Yes. And yeah, I don't know what else to say that you guys didn't say. Maybe this movie is a prequel to that movie, The Beach. Just can't make that.

Yeah, I mean, I can kind of see both sides of it. This movie seemed more theatrical, like a stage show. Yes. Like a play, right? Yeah. Gotcha. Sure. I got that impressed as well. And that's kind of how a lot of the lines were delivered.

And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but I can see the critique of it. But I also think it was a really great concept, and it was something different, and I like that. And I think he did a great job with the cinematography and keeping it small, and especially now that I know that it's on that small of a budget, that's pretty amazing for, you know, what he did there. So I'll give him credit for it. What was the budget approximately? There was like $5,000 or $6,000, something like that.

Oh, so just like before with visits, so, okay. Yeah, like that's crazy. No, I think the actors did a pretty great job. Well, with the exception of, again, sort of looking like they were reading lines from the script, but it was, again, very much like a stage show kind of thing. So I'll give it credit there. I think some of that was done on purpose, man,

to kind of throw you off. I really do. Well, yeah, because everything did sort of seem surreal. Mm-hmm. You know? So I like his artistic vision there. I think he was going for something. But I also caught it by other. means because I couldn't go see it in the movie

which means it was a crap copy. Oh no! Get your copy, damn it? I'm so glad I went to the theater. I would really like to see this one in all of the story. Give me your link damn it. I'm ready. Yeah, good movie, man.

All right, well let's do scores before we hit spoilers. Lance? 9-0-10. Wow. Look at that. Yep, favorite film in the year. It's going to be tough to beat this. If anything's going to do it, ironically, the same actress is going to be in that one. That would be last night in Soho. That's the only thing I can think of that might pass this up. We'll see.

Maybe. Keth? I'll give it a nine. Wow. Yeah, I liked it. I liked it a lot. Is it my number one? Not even close. I don't even think it's in my 10 right now. Wow. Would you put it in your top 10 in night films?

Well, how many He doesn't have that many films, does you? I don't know. He's not about 10. Man, it's all or nothing with you. Yeah, I have to say, if you had to count shows like Wayward Pines and Servant, you'd be

fine. So, would you at least put it in top five? Ness gives a lot of high scores, man. And a lot of really shit. I would go Unbreakable to Sixth split. of signs

then this would probably be five then I'd go village and that one girl in the water and all that okay the one girl I would 100% agree with you on that list I like it it checks out nice yeah all right Brian what do you think

seven and a half it's not my fate it's not up there it's kind of middle upper as far as his movies. Right. Enjoyed the cast story. The twist ending had me wondering some things also. How would I feel about it actually existing?

And yeah, it's an easy seven and a half. It could go up on a second rewatch, though. Holy fucking shit. Maybe it's Epstein's Island. Oh, no, stop it. I just realized the nurse was miles. from Lost. I knew that fucker looking.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. I was just going to make a joke about Lost earlier. Okay. Which guy? The nurse, the dude that was the nurse in this movie, he played Miles and Lost. Remember when the other showed up?

Like in season 3, I think. That was Juntao from Rush Hour. Ah, okay. And he was Oh, uh, Ken Jiang, right? South Korean actor.

Uh, Ken Leung? Oh, God, I'm going to fuck up the name. Help me out. I'm going to rush hour and loss. That's the only actor I can think. No, Philip, help me out with the pronunciation, man. Dude, I'm not looking at it. I don't know what you want.

It was Danny Clever's partner in Saw. What? Got shot in the head with the shotgun. I've seen him in a bunch of stuff. I like him. He's a better actor than he showed. Are we doing, like, his favorite roles of ours or something? I guess so.

I was thinking of... I thought they were trying to say this is in the same universe is lost. I liked him in the Sopranos when Junior Soprano got put in the old folks home. Right. And he was in there with him. Or not the old folks home, the little mental asylum. That guy's awesome. All right.

Back to the movie. Oh, he's an X-Men movie, too. Oh, okay. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're pretty spot on with that score. Brian, I'm going to copy you again and go seven and a half. I think that was...

Ah, okay. I'm surprised we didn't have any haters tonight. No, I mean, I definitely didn't hate it. It was a good concept in a good movie. You know? It definitely wasn't his best outing, but I mean, it was pretty solid. I liked it. It was worth the watch, man.

Nice. If it wasn't M. Night Shyamalan, again, we'd be like, oh, wow, this movie was really great. You should check it out. Ah, so he's judged a little more harshly than some. Yes, I think so. Yeah, everyone's going to get that prejudice, and some of it is, if you even want to

go into politics, is kind of how, it depends also on what corporation is behind whatever person is reviewing it and they got their own agenda, so it's like, yeah. Oh, boy, let's stay away. No, left turn, left turn, left turn, left turn. Sorry.

We're going to go spoilers, guys. Someone did. didn't like it, and it did not prevent you guys from enjoying this. So I would not be surprised if the user score is extremely high. Oh, yeah. I mean, that happens a lot with some movies. All right. Spoilers. Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Let's do it. Can I just... jump forward to fucking crystal that scene in the tunnel yes that was horrifying to me

that was my favorite scene because her her thing in the in her condition in the movie was she had a calcium deficiency right so over over time of not not having her calcium her bones became brittle and then in that that scene in the in the in the caverns or whatever the tunnel

when she just kept breaking her limbs and they would instantly heal the way they were broken. That was terrifying to me. Yeah. The one that fucked me up was when the girl got pregnant and she like had the baby like in a matter of minutes.

Oh and I want to say I'm happy it didn't go I was like set in on the show before that if she got pregnant by one of the adults I was going to walk out the fucking theater. Oh yeah. I don't know if you guys noticed but

I was thinking it was the mid-sized sedan dude because he kept looking at her. And then he, when something was going on, he was like patting her shoulder and looking at her weird. Yeah, I think that that whole relationship, because she was the only one that didn't really, when they first got there, everybody assumed he killed that one girl. And she was the only one that kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt. I think, I think, I'm not did that one million percent by design. He purposely set him up to look like that. that was going to happen. And then obviously it didn't because he wanted to,

he wanted you to get your expectations a certain way based on what society wants us to think. And then he turned it on its head. And I love the way he did that. Sounds like that's a proback to split where, you know, the kidnapper tries to get one of the women pregnant. Seeing some themes there. Yeah. Well, he's definitely got his themes.

He's always had a water theme too, hasn't he? Right. And it's in spades in this one. He's like quitting Tarantino with feet. With feet. Oh, my God. That whole birth scene and the baby dying, like, within minutes, that was, I was like, damn.

I mean, how many hours went, how many hours went by before the baby, like, turned to dust? And you can hear when they were carrying them and you can hear the bones in the blanket. I was like, oh. Oh. I know they said by the time. time, the lady said by the time she laid her on the towel, the baby was dead. Yeah. Now, explain that to me because of lack of attention. Yeah. I think they said everything was moving too fast. Yeah, the baby couldn't absorb at all. They didn't feed the baby like right away.

So within a matter of minutes, that baby was probably like went years or days or whatever without eating and it died. Yeah, because I believe they said it was for every year, it was half an hour. Yeah. I'm kind of glad they didn't show the, but not a dead baby, but when the baby was alive for that minute, I'm glad they didn't show it. Yeah. That wouldn't have been a little too harsh, huh? Yeah. How did it work with the rest of them without eating? They had food. They had food. I mean, they had. Go ahead. Yeah, but it was a cellular thing. I mean, they, I think they explained.

They didn't necessarily need, you know, substance. I think they just, they're sales for 18. Okay. And I had a, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Brian. I was going to say,

they had plenty of food because, remember that scene when they were carrying the stuff? And the guy asked M. Knight, why do we really need all this food? Right. I had a little problem with the cuts healing, Wolverine style.

But then I thought, okay, wait a minute. That's because they're aging quickly. Duh. It was a little cheesy when they removed the tumor, am I right? It was a little too easy. Yeah, it was kind of sick to me.

Especially how quickly the tumor grew. That's our second Arnold impersonation of the show. Was there anything that almost took you guys out of the movie? No, not really. No. The nurse swimming out to see when he knew what the fuck was about to happen. Yeah, when he... Kind of dumb to me.

Told you how far it was. When he told you how far it was, and I'm like, you should be listening to what you're saying right now because you're not going to make it. And you kind of knew because of the girl that was dead when they first got there. Yeah, like at this point, you know what's happening. You know what happened to her. You know that that guy didn't kill her.

She just tried to swim away and died. Well, he was thinking, like, well, maybe she didn't know this was going to happen. Since he knew what was going to happen, he goes, maybe I can last a little bit longer than her. Maybe I can get through that vortex or whatever the hell it was. Just enough, right? Just enough to get through to be all right. Same as bad idea. Because he-

He told his wife, and he was like, look, because he didn't want him to go. But he told him like, all right, I'm going to do it. That's why she hugged him and gave him a kiss because he was like, I got to do it. Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to give it a try. I was living one time in high school. I mean, otherwise we're dead within a day anyway, right? What do you have to lose, literally?

Yeah, so you might as well say, fuck it and go for it. The thing, my big problem with the whole movie, which I don't know, who found this beach? And how did they know? I mean, because obviously once you go in, you can't leave it. unless you went through the coral. Yeah, and who found out the coral part? Coral thing. I mean, that's a little far-fetched.

It's a bit of... They had to have an out. A way to end the movie. But I wanted to know who... Like, give me the history of this. Give me the history of this beach. That was the only thing because I was sitting there thinking, who found this? Who found out that it was doing that?

So... Pharmaceutical companies, apparently. Yeah, oh man, there's so much about medical ethics. So it is in the same universe as glass. I guess it is, man. Medical ethics really comes into play here, right? It's all the corporations and stuff talking stuff like that going on right now. Pretty timely, huh?

You lied. This is about Corona. Maybe that's how they found the vaccine so quickly. Ah, okay. I like that. Oh, God damn, it's now we're canceled. I like their idea on what they were trying to do by curing these medical issues and, like, in a short amount of time. Because when they gave that, the lady that was having the seizures, they gave her whatever they gave her. Yeah.

And she lasted, like, years. Yes, literally. Her seizures were terrifying. Yeah, no kidding. And they made it like, eh, it's nothing. She does this all the time. You just, sorry, keep walking. I love that.

I love that setup, too, when they were at the hotel or at the, you know, main place where they all met and she had the seizure and they kind of set it up there. That was really well done, I thought. The thing that scared me the most of getting old is when the dad of the two kids is when his eyesight started to go. And then her hearing was going. Yeah, I was sitting there thinking like, Fuck, man, because I was, I was joke around like, oh, fuck, I got bad eyes.

And then I'm sitting there like, fuck. I mean, like, I could see without my glasses, but. Right. I can only see. I can't read that good, for me, things that are far away. It happens quick. I was like, I'm going to be glasses pretty soon. I was happening so quick to them.

And then the mom losing her hearing and that the doctor dude that was like, what was that? Oh, that was terrified. He had schizophrenia. I was like, oh, fuck. I mean, that was scary. And I did like the scene when the mom cut that doctor with the old, with the old rusty knife. And how quick it got into his bloodstream and just killed him. I thought that was cool.

Yeah. Because she knew that. Like, yeah, rust gets in your blood. It turns into poison. And it happened so quick, like, just immediately within not even a minute. and it went through his whole body and kill him. I thought that was cool. But other than it was just sitting there like,

I'm getting old. I had a tetanus shot, stupid doctor. I mean, I thought everything, all the explanations they were doing was like, all right, cool. And was it that much of a twist ending? A little, yeah, but not, it didn't go. But I was like, okay.

Yeah. I'm getting a feeling that he's really just had it coming to Jesus moment. and just all these years of just answering to critics and everything. And I think he just, he pretty much just revises this twist until he feels like, you know what, I think most people will,

you know, let this slide or be happy with this. He knows he can't please everyone. And at the same time, he doesn't want to, again, go over the top. Yeah. He just gets more and more.

Well, and this one was more of a reveal than a twist, really. Yeah, agreed. I was, I was very happy with it. I think it made perfect sense. It explained everything that happened up to that point, and it was,

I think it was his most well-done twist of probably any of his movies. Sometimes. Not the sixth sense. Well, that's what I want to read the graphic novel to see if it ended in the same way. Lance, it says it's loosely based off the book. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. That's exactly what I wanted to hear, Brian, because I watched the video of a guy explaining the movie and the comparison to the book,

the graphic novel. He said, yeah, the characters were there. I think the main one that was pretty much right on from what this guy was saying was the doctor. Okay. On how he, what was happening to him in the books as well as in the movie. He said that was pretty much right on. I don't know. I haven't read yet, but I want to read it.

But, all right, guys, I got to cut it short here for myself. All right, man. All right. Nice to meet you. Glad I came on, and everyone that listens to action and streamfeings, we'll be back just as soon as everything goes back to normal in the area I'm at. Things stop being on fire. Yeah.

If any of you firefighters are listening, thank you guys and gals for what you guys are doing out there, as well as our law enforcement. Totally. it's out of control where I'm at plus in Nevada south of where I'm at right now there's a huge fire going on down there and it's just smoky as fuck at my house and here at work so but everyone just be safe out there and we'll be back Brian and I will definitely be back

and all you guys just be safe out there and I'll talk guys later so until then everyone party on is all right is that the show yeah I don't I don't think there's really much more to say

except RIP mid-sides the damn yeah I think we hit the high points it's a good show guys Cameron we definitely appreciate you coming on board

and one more time man plug for the show man and what else do you have going on we just are wrapping up an episode on Larry Cohen tomorrow we're not we're just doing a lot of focus on just various filmmakers and various kinds so nz just missed it he's talked to that guy before oh I'm sure every interview I've seen him in he's been wonderful but yeah I mean I just always analyze a few different cult faces

I'd love to get more interviews going but it's kind of a slow time so yeah I'm just focusing on just various subject matters and rankings All right. Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at thehorrorreturns at gmail.com. Review.

One day, we'll have a website. But in the meantime, look for us on Facebook, Twitter, et cetera. Or fuck, just Google the Horror Returns. You can't miss it. Look for us on iTunes. If you like what you hear, write us and review us. Next week, this one I've been looking for, oh, fuck.

This one might be thrown this one for me. The Green Knight. You guys looking forward to this? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd just seen the latest trailer. I'm, I'm ready. It took me a while to realize Deb Patel is in this, so it'll be interesting to see him in that kind of role.

It's going to be interesting, man. And we're also going to check out Solomon Kane, which I watched today, Brian. That's the chuckles. So. Okay. From the author of Conan the Barbarian. Until the horror returns again, Brian.

Good night.