The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #275 - Boogeyman (2005) & Candyman (2021)

Episode Date: August 29, 2021

We are joined this week by filmmaker Mike J. Marin, to discuss the brand new Candyman movie as well as 2005's Boogeyman. Cool of the Week includes Ted Lasso, Green Lantern, Heels, The Stand, and American Horror Story. Trailer this week is Spider Man - No Way Home. The podcast spotlight shines on The Horror Movie Crew. We get feedback from Jordan Powell, Kate Pollock, Jason Bradford, Ricky Morgan, Robert Ariel Wellman, Travis Ybarra, Ryan Stevens, and Sean Henry. Was the new movie worth the wait, and how does it tie into the Candyman universe? Answers are provided. And, as always, thanks for listening!

victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify go. Welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host Kevin, Brian, and Philip.

And tonight we've got Mike J. Marin, our good friend, our other friend from Cali, in addition to Nez. What's up, Mike? Hey, hey, everybody. Now, are you anywhere near the fires? No, I am actually three blocks from the Nakatomi building. Yeah, but not close to the fires, no. All right. Well, depending on, you may be in the more or less dangerous spot being there, but what's going on with you, man?

You haven't been on the show in a while, dude. We got to play catch-up, man. Okay, I'll give you the clip notes version. The newest thing that's going on is I am now a partner in a collectible shop out here in L.A. called Geek Antique. Oh, cool. Like the same. So, yeah, I'm working my way up to becoming a full partner and then further down the line,

maybe a co-owner or be an owner in the store. All right. So I'm doing that. I'm still writing my latest film called First Voice. It's a supernatural thriller involving first response. And what else am I doing? Let's see. It's a good idea.

I like that. It's going to be pretty cool, I hope. Nez is in it. He's lending his voice. Well, shit. He's fucking tweet. Let's see. Oh, I completed Cinema Red chapter 2.

Yes. This is Cinema Red full native horror. And then I'm already outlining the final piece of the trilogy, which is a native paranormal. So Cinema Red Native Paranormal. Huh. Okay. I hadn't heard. This is a first time for me to hear about this one. Okay, cool.

So that's pretty much what I've been working on. Let's see, cool stuff. I made a lightsaber at Galaxy's Edge. And let's see, took the wife to Disneyland. It was her first time. So we just, we did it large. We only got to go to one park, though. We didn't get to the California adventure.

but I must love her because she got me on roller coasters and I never ride those things. Nice. I love coasters, man. I'm a coaster enthusiast. Oh, awesome. Yeah, it was cool. I had a really good time. But yeah, man, that's about it.

Just been living here. I moved. I don't know if I told you guys, but I moved out the old hood. Now I stay in West L.A. A couple blocks actually from Century City, between Century City and Westwood. This is where I stay now. And, you know, some people turned in. noses up because they think like

I'm a snob now, but I bring the ghetto to the, I bring the ghetto to this part of town. But, uh, it's called boozy hood. It is, it is, man.

I mean, it's, uh, it's a couple friends visited and felt like they're going to get pulled over, cruising through his neighborhood, but, uh, it's cool, man. I mean, I needed a bigger crib, uh, because of all my collectibles. I mean, uh, Ness hasn't been to the new crib yet, but he's seen the pictures of the closet in the second bedroom, and it's already full of the capacity.

And it's a big-ass closet, and it's already full of just all my collectibles. But yeah, that's it for me. That's pretty much all I've been up to. So our listeners that want to check out your previous films that are out there, where do they go to watch those? All right, if you want to see my first feature film, The Smudging, which has officially reached cult status, I might add. It's on Amazon Prime. Okay, you're still on Prime then. Yeah, now you got to pay for it, which wasn't my idea.

Yeah, now you got to rent it or buy it. But that's on Amazon Prime. The kind of follow-up to that is a short film I did called The Part of the Part of it. downstairs. That one is on YouTube. My award-winning documentary Cinema Red, Natives and Horror, is on YouTube as well as my second award-winning film Unboxed. The Art of Action Figure

Photography is also on YouTube. So everything else, though, is still the new Cinema Reds hitting the festival circuit, so that won't be on online for probably till next year. but yeah that's where they can check out my stuff

and cinema red one's awesome too that was a good movie oh thank you thank you um let's see what oh and if you want to check out my action figure photography uh i'm on instagram at the boneyard collectibles you're lucky you don't live with my wife man she's good about throwing shit away they'll be gone Do you get the rent money or the buy money from Amazon?

Yeah, I get a check every month. It's just like a portion, though, right? No, I get full. I get full. I have full custody of my children. Yeah. I get two checks, one from the UK and one from the U.S. Bringing on the big books.

Hey, Mike, I've always wanted to ask you. So the award for Cinema Red, How did that work, dude? Like, was that something they just announced? And then they called you afterwards, or did they reach out to you? How did that work? I submitted it to the Director's Screen Awards, just on a whim. And a couple of weeks went by for judging status, and then 3 a.m., I got the email that, you know, I won the award for Best Director for that one.

fucking awesome yeah that's a big deal man I mean it's it's pretty cool to you know be a filmmaker that got recognized a bit but um for the Amazon one that one really blew me away I didn't think they were going to send me a certificate for that

okay so one day they just sent me an email and they're like congratulations you you've hit 20 million 25 million views for your film so here's a certificate display it proudly the Amazon acquisitions team.

Wow. So it's pretty cool. It's going to be hard to beat that, Mike. But as far as other people's work besides your own and not counting the movies we're going to talk about tonight, what is the coolest thing that you've checked out this week? Oh, man. Other than Ted Lassow. Hey, that counts, dude. I've heard me

things about that. I really want to see it. That show is hell of funny. The writing in that show is just, it's, if you know pop culture, that show, like,

if they're little inside jokes will have you have you dying. Like, I can't even share one without sharing a bunch. But let's see. The coolest thing I've seen this week, um,

let's see as far as pop culture, entertainment or anything else. Damn. silence we can count Ted Lasso dude we don't always it does not have to be horror believe me it's um it's almost never

horror actually yeah I'm usually really dumb as shit and I'm not going to stop that trend today so something something that was cool that really like hit me in the fields was um I thought this was pretty cool

uh was actually I saw it last night was uh there's a band called uh Las Bucis. Okay. And they're this Mexican, they're like the Mexican Beatles. And they like broke up a long time ago.

Well, they got together this weekend for a show down here in L.A. And I was just watching videos of these, their fans who are like grandparents age now, of their grandkids and their kids giving them tickets by surprise. Oh, nice. Okay. this reactions like i mean you can't watch you without crying because like i guess like a lot of

them this band meant a lot to to all of them you know like um like you know years down the line if nez's grandkids great grandkids gave him Metallica tickets and like it's just like this the emotion and that is dope i mean another cool thing i saw if i can throw one more out is um as far as like my hope in humanity is this volleyball team this girls volleyball team before they played their game, they brought care packages to their opponents who lost their homes in the fires.

I mean, they just brought them like those big rubber made buckets full of stuff, necessities and stuff. And that's right there, like, that shit restores my faith in people. I think we're done with Cool of the Week. Brian, got you for our headlines?

Here's your awesome prize. Now I'm going to whoop your ass, motherfucker. That is amazing All right Let me jump in real quick Okay, that's a lot That's a lot Mike

That's a lot Mine sucks a lot I got a Oh no Yeah Well okay So my wife has been watching I got a couple of them I guess

I'll lead up to it My wife has been watching Gossip Girl for some fucking reason lately And man that show is awful dude, there are so many just hateable characters. Poor bastard. But I guess she got into this

Blake lively thing, right? And so... I wouldn't mind doing that myself. Well, true. And she's not awful in it. Neither is the chick from... God damn it. What is that band? Anyway.

No doubt. No, there was a girl from Gossip Girls who's in... God, can't think of the name of the band right now, but it's a hard rock band. She's fucking awesome. The one that was, uh, that was, uh, Cindy Lou Who in the Grinch or whatever? Or am I thinking of something else? Oh, Taylor. That's the one. I hit it. All right. The what?

Taylor Momson? Yes. What's, what's the name of her band? I have no idea. I just remember sure she was the Grinch. Damn it. It's going to bother the shit out of me. I'll figure it out later this episode and just all right. People are yelling at us, but we're, coming real close to nailing it. Anyway, they're great. But, so she's never seen the green lantern. The pretty reckless, sorry.

The pretty reckless. Yeah, that's it. We've seen them live at Rock Farama, Phil. Yeah, we slept through it live, but yeah. Not that they were bad. It's just that we were like super hung over. Oh, no, yeah, no, we were in the tent. not my bad baby

but yeah so we watched the green lantern huh she's never seen because my wife has never seen it man and you know what

what's happening right now right right straight to the bottom of the barrel oh yeah no I've got some not cool of the week

hardcore but I think it's going to be hard to beat this one that was that was a really, really not good. I mean, maybe it gets a little more hate than it deserves, but it's still not good.

Ryan's over here saying, what the fuck is happening, that's all we watched, man. If it wasn't for the shitty story and the stupid fucking cheesy costume. And the terrible acting, and the horrible cinematography, and the ridiculous.

Lake Lively and Ryan. Ryan Reynolds, you know, I mean, how bad can they be? There's some good actors in that movie. It was just a shit of a script. Wasn't as bad as Suicide Squad, but, yeah. Wait, which one? The Suicide Squad, not the Suicide Squad. Wait, the newest one you didn't like it?

No, the first one. Oh, oh. The first one, the first one is just called Suicide Squad. This new one is the Suicide Squad. Man, I don't know. I think Greenlanders got that one beat by a lot. It's bad, huh? So, that's my not cool of the week.

That's all I got. I work a lot, guys. All right, I'll go. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Welcome to a quick little episode of the rest. wrestling returns. Brian. Yes.

Heels. How awesome is this show? I am only one episode in, but I am in. Yeah, I'm all in. Like AEW. Man, this show is hell good. If you don't know wrestling, they're going to teach you about some wrestling in here

because they drop a lot of, a lot of lingo in here. What is that on? Stars. They talk about how fucking fake it is. No, that's next. Real to us, damn it. I loved glow.

I thought that was an awesome show. Don't know if we're getting another season of that one. But this one is awesome. Stephen Amel, he's not Green Arrow. I don't care what any of you guys say. Justin Harley is Green Arrow. Stephen Amel ain't Casey Jones either. Yeah, he ain't Casey Jones either.

What's his nuts is from... Look who's talking to. Mike, you met him. John Trevone. He can saco bet. Josh Walter? I don't know. Is that his name?

No. Who, wait, from the original turtles? Yeah, from original turtles. What was Casey? Elias Cotius. Yeah, him. That's Casey Jones. Yeah, that's cool.

That sounds very Greek. But this... He is. This show is... Is this about wrestling, heels? Yeah. Like pro wrestling? No, it was like indie guys.

Like, if you and I had our ring set up, up in the barn. Is it as good as Kingdom? I haven't seen any of that yet. Oh, that's a good show, man. That's a good show. I'll check it out. This one's good.

There are two episodes in. The new episode comes out tomorrow. I forgot this was on. Shout out to Brian. He's always posting what he's watching. I said, oh, yeah, this is on. And shout out to Mike for, let me use stars. But, man, dude, this show's hell.

I hate Stephen Amel. I just, I don't think he's a good actor. Dude, he's not that bad. He tried to get into WWE and Rune matches. I know. I didn't like him for that. But I think he does an amazing job in this show. And Alexander Ludwig, he was a little kid actor, and then he just got hella buff. He's badass in this.

Kelly. Oh, for Vikings. Alexander Ludwig from Vikings, right? I had never seen that either. Yeah, yeah. He played the son of the main. dude that got killed in a snake pit in like the third season.

Boilers. For a fucking 10-year-old show. Sparglars. Kelly Bird Gold, Golden, or whatever. She's Crystal. She's hot. I like her. But this show's awesome. It's two rival brothers, one in a ring heel, and the other

is a hero. Grapel over their late father's wrestling promotion business while spending a national attention to a small town in Georgia. So it's just a small little indie wrestling company. I can't remember what they call themselves. And they're just

Stephen and Mellon and Alexander Ludwig they're called Jack Spade and A. Spade. Those are the wrestling names. So they're just trying to do their promotion, but then brothers, brothers, fight brothers, and it's just they're just trying to keep their

company going. And there's a rival company, I don't know if it's the next town over or whatever, but they're like getting more bigger because they're getting the TV spots and the lights and the stars and everything. So it's mainly like it's a story about two brothers kind of battling it out. Then they're dealing with the rival wrestling company. And the guy from the rival wrestling company machine from 8mm, he's coming over and trying to...

That is him. Yeah. That's what G. Are these wrestlers all fucking B-list acting? or what these days? What the fuck? I don't know who the other dudes are other than the main two actors. No, there's a young black gentleman. I can't remember his name.

He was in the last OG, one of Tracy Morgan's friends. I can't say Tracy Morgan. The one dude, the big dude, he used to play for the Steelers. Phil, help me out. I don't know. He was like that star defensive player for like. James Harrison?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a bad motherfucker right there. That guy's scared. Huge on the show. Check this out. So just kind of like going off what Lance just said about the B-roll actors.

These kind of shows like are just prime example. This is coming from a director filmmaker standpoint. These kind of shows are badass because. because they don't choose the best people. They choose the right ones. So sometimes like, and this is something a lot of filmmakers, a lot of film companies can learn from Moneyball,

is you can get the best talent, the right talent for next to nothing and knock it out of the park. There you go. So like the smudging, I mean, we didn't do the best job acting, but shit, this fucker is a damn cult status film now. Mm-hmm.

And like made on a top ramen budget. So it's just, it's interesting, like, you, you watch movies and you're like, oh, man, why'd they get this dude from the CW? And it's like, holy shit. Dude's badass, you know, so. Okay. All right. The other person I know is Mary McCormick. She's in it.

I haven't seen her in a while, so it was good to see her. She aged pretty well. What's her name from Brady Bunch? No. She's, she played, uh, was it William Wallace's wife? No. She played Howard Stern's wife. in private parts.

She's been in a ton of things. She was in that one, not Armageddon. What was the other asteroid movie? Deep impact. 2010 or 2012 or whatever? No, not that one. That was an earthquake.

Deep impact? Yeah, she was in that one. She was one of the astronauts. That's my porn name. I know. But this show is hell of good. I wasn't expecting much just because I don't like Stephen Amel.

So I was like, all right, it's wrestling. Let me give it a shot. He works with this show, though, because he kind of don't like him in real life and the way he plays his character, especially that's what he does to his brother at the end of the first episode. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what sold it to me. I was like, all right, I'm in because this show's hell of good. I just zipped right to the next episode.

I'm glad I got at least two in, so I can't wait for the next episode. But this show's hell of good. I think it's going eight episodes. And it's awesome. From what I understand, best in the world, seeing punk, he's going to be on it.

I don't know who he's playing. And I'm sure they're going to get some other wrestlers in it. But I don't know. I think this show is good. Good to have another. That guy that has all those videos where, watch out, watch out.

That dude. That body slam. the Hulk. I like that. I don't watch wrestling. Maybe I should, but I like that dude just because his videos are bad ass. But did any, what's his name?

He's a pop-up on this. That one crazy dude on Instagram, a superhuman TV show or whatever the hell that guy's name is. But this show's good. I was shocked. I mean, again, I'm not a Stephen Amel fan, so I wasn't really, really into it.

But after that first episode, I was like, man, this show's hell of good. So I can't wait for the next episode. And I'd like to see where it's going to go and if it's going to get another season. Because as of now, I don't know. And another quick little thing, non-wrestling related. Cobra Kai, season five, got greenlit. So I'm hyped for that.

Can't wait for December for season four to come up. Okay. So December, they're not going to wait until New Year's Eve then, like they did the other one, huh? I hope so. Man, I can't believe we're getting two seasons in one year. That's nice, man. I'm juiced. It's a good show.

I believe that when I see it. All right. But yeah, if you guys, for all you, Stephen and Mel fans, definitely check out Heels if you guys have stars. All right. School of the week. Brian? Let's see. I got three movies in a show.

First one is Bleed with me. This was a new one on Shutter. This chick, she goes with her friend and her boyfriend to a, cabin during the winter time and during her stay there, she thinks her friend is stealing blood from her when she's sleeping. Okay. That sounds, actually sounds promising. That's fucking happened to me one time.

No, I'm kidding. It's decent. The acting's decent. Lance, one of the actresses is one from that werewolf movie we watched, the Bloodthirsty, the main actress. She's in this. and it's one of those you don't know what's happening is actually what's happening

so you kind of got to stick around to the end to see I don't know I want to have questions but it sounds like there's a cool twist in there yeah it was it was decent I wouldn't say the twist was cool or nothing that you haven't seen before but I thought it was decent

I mean if you have a shutter check it out. We're all paying for Shutter anyway, so why not, right? Shout out to Ness for letting me ride coattails on his. Next one is a trailer we reviewed a little while back. It's on Netflix now. The

Old Ways. Is that it a good? I liked it. I thought, because it has to do with like Brujas and demons and stuff like that, but the look for what was going on with everything in the movie when you got to see the demon

I was just kind of like kind of disappointing is this in Mexico yes I've actually pulled up some synopsis here I do remember the trailer now Christina a journalist of Mexican origin travels to her

ancestral home in Veracruz to investigate a story of sorcery and healing there she is kidnapped by a group of locals who claims she's the devil incarnate they've really fucked up some Mexican horror movies Yeah but this sounds Not got one right yet

This sounds super interesting man This one got like a 93 Rotten Tomatoes Yeah La Lolaona one was good on Shutter Yeah dude that one was so good Yeah I love that one I didn't see that one

Wait wait wait wait The drama The Shutter one yeah the drama That was a housekeeper Yeah That was nominated for me an Oscar guy. Yeah, that one was good. Jerking off to his house

house maid or whatever. You're thinking about the fanatic. Oh, that's hell of good, too. Wait, John Travolta? Yes, hell of good. Yeah. Let's get that sequel. I got a funny feeling in my pants.

But the old ways, yeah, it's on Netflix, so check that one out. My third movie is Blood Conscious. A vacationing family turns to, turns to tables on a mass shooter who claims to be fighting demonic forces. Acting's not the best in this, but I kind of dug the story. Family shows up. They're supposed to meet, supposed to meet their family or their parents at a cabin when they get there. Everybody's dead.

There's some crazy guy with a gun saying he's killing. And he is played by a friend of the show Nick Demichie. Oh, look at that. Oh, cool. I mean, so this sounds like this is your cool of the week? I think my show is my cool of the week. Ah, we're not sure you. Blood conscious would come in second.

I always like Nick to meet you when he shows up. And the story kind of got me interested to hold, you know, is this guy crazy? Or was people really taken over by demonic forces? You got to kind of. Whistler himself, huh? Yep. And there's like frailty. Kind of.

Kind of. And that's on, is that on Shudder, too? That one's by any means possible. I don't like the sound of that. Some of those movies out there are fine, man. And I do want Boogie Man on YouTube. Yeah, that's fine.

Yeah, well, we'll get to Boogie Man. Let's see. And I checked out the first two episodes of the news. season of American Horror Story Double Feature. Oh! Yeah, that is out now. I'm digging what I'm seeing. It's not anything like from the other

seasons. I'm real interested to see what they do with this because I think halfway through, because it's called double feature, halfway through will get a whole totally different story. Very nice. I might... I like how they're mixing it up at least. Yeah. Yes, yes.

I think I'm going to say that Sarah Paul, because she's back for this season. Of course she is. I want to say so far, she's probably playing my most favorite character she's ever played. Well, that's cool, because every other character she's played has been really fucking hateable. That one was the one, the political one. Oh, where she was afraid of holes. Oh, I wanted to be able her now. I hated her.

Screaming the entire. I'm scared of. New Candy Man movie. I'm scared of clowns and things that have holes in it. She would not like the new Candy Man movie. And everything else on the planet. No, the role she played, I'm not going to spoil anything because it just came out. But it's kind of, I don't know, it's just different from like you said, Phil, she's not screaming and crying and yelling.

I mean, she does, she does have a moment where she kind of does that, but it's not, it's, I don't know, it's just she's playing this character very, different than anything she's done on the show. Well, she wasn't super hateable in Bird Box, but she was only in it for 10 minutes, so. Well, there you go. And, yeah, I think that's it. I try to get to that

the new Witcher anime movie on Netflix, but I didn't get to it. That sounds interesting. It's supposed to lead into the, if you watch it, it leads into the next season. Man, I hope they keep going with that. Wait, go one more.

One more real quick. Pig. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we talked about that, man. I still haven't watched it. That was good. That was hell of good. My top 10 for the year.

Oh, my God. Man, he knows how to pick him, huh? He does. Yeah, man. I mean, he's got Academy Awards. And you know, he's good. Not all his movie choices are good, but this one I was shocked on how good it was. It was slow burn

10 years ago, it'd be a totally different reaction. It was a slow burn, but man, it was good. I really enjoyed it. And I watched Snake Eyes again. He was dropping some gems in there stuff he was saying. Yeah, he was. I mean, some wisdom.

I don't know if the Academy is going to be looking at that one, but I think they should. I thought that was a really good movie. There you go. Oh, can I throw one in here real quick? Just real quick? I want to give a shout out to my boy Glenn Stanton who is in the Walking Dead season 11

My partner is in the show You guys are seeing them if you're watching the Walking Dead Are any of you guys watching it? I've never missed an episode Except I haven't seen the new season yet I think there's one in the can right or is there two in the can now There's actually there's two but I have AMC Plus, so I'm a week ahead.

All right. Well, I'm in, brothers. I will check him out. I promise you. Yeah, he's, if you check him out, he's one of the, so there's this big, this big black dude in there. He's like the big black dude's friend. He's a little, he looks like, I always describe him as, he looks like Michael Hutchins from NXS. Did he survive or do you get killed?

He's still in it. No, man. I mean, he's, so that, that's, that's my buddy. Glenn, we're the ones that did that commercial together, that Thanksgiving commercial. But, yeah, it's so, it's so dope. So I want to send some love out to my boy, Glenn, man, good shit. I'm glad that you're in the show, and I hope you survive, man. Very nice.

Glenn, I tapped out like three seasons ago, man. It got garbage. Not me, dude. I'm in. We're rounding home base. As soon as the Rick, you know, the Rick. thing happened and all that and I was like yeah there you go okay

something happened with rape finally when's that movie's supposed to come back I think that's push back or something does anybody give a shit at this point oh man I only watch when Lance makes us they're finally at that that news place

because I want to see I want to see how it ties into fear the walking dead because if you're the walking dead they set off a nuke Are the Indians still alive? Oh, no. I'm behind on that one. Mike.

Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry, my bed. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. The last season I saw was when they blew up the dam and everybody went rushing downstream. I'm way past that, but I haven't seen any news. Well, then the Indians, are they still alive? Because that was the season they were in with Michael Grayey's and them.

Yeah, they went off on their own. They came back to save them. Yeah. It was a good sniper scene. And kill the warriors. Yeah, after that they took off and they, I don't know where they're up. It went to Rutherford Falls. That's where he went.

You guys are watching that. That shows hell of good. But that was my point. The people that are still watching the Walking Dead probably could not give a shit about Rick at this point, right? I mean, he's been gone for how long? Well, we need to see when he comes, how he's going to come back. Yeah. Because, um, because it's supposed to get killed in, uh, in the walking dead, um, uh, like the mid-season finale, uh, oh shit, I can't say anything because Lance hasn't seen it yet.

Um, oh, it's the mid-season finale of the walking dead. Yeah, did, did you see where, okay, so you saw where Michone found Rick's boots? Yes, yes. I, I, I, I, that's where I'm at, actually. She's find her daughter yet? I'm just way behind on fear. I'm once in... Is that all we get is Rick's boots? That's Rick's boots and something else.

He thinks they found his pistol. No, Judith has his pistol. Is that a euphemism? Did they cut it off? No, but Fear of the Walking Dead gets better. Yeah, I'm going to stick with it. I cannot take that new. the new world or whatever it's called with the

idle kids and yeah anything with teenagers like yeah because if anything we learn from a walking dead kids fuck it up because kids always but they always like had this stupid little go crazy moment where they're like well they're people and we shouldn't kill them so let

them in like that one stupid cookie kid remember when they're walking through the crowd and everything's fine that little stupid cookie kid's like mom and the zombies are like oh these nigg is spitting And they started attacking them because this stupid kid and there's cookies. I mean, to me, the best, the best scene with kids was the look at the flowers episode with Carol.

Yeah. Because I got rid of that kid. Because I remember on Facebook, I got, I got so much hatred because I said, when the zombie apocalypse happens and I have my Costco, all boarded up and fortified, do not bring your kids. Especially not that one. She should have died a long time ago. Did Michelle find her daughter yet? Yeah, she's been Hadder.

Okay. Nas from Blood Quantum, you already know I've, on record, I'm team Lysol. So fuck those motherfuckers. Keep them outside. We don't need that.

Yeah. I still haven't watched that show. You haven't watched it? Oh, man. Okay, here's my philosophy. All right. Am I in it? No,

I'm just kidding. I just haven't had time to watch it, but I did meet Jeff Barnaby, and that was the first thing he asked me. Have you watched my movie yet? I said, have you watched the smudging? Checkmate. Chey. Check me. It's fair play.

I mean, it's, okay. But anyway, I'm sorry. Who didn't go? I'm sorry, we're just like, I'm, I just cut him. My bad. Lance. I'll keep it short and sweet, boys. I've said it before.

I'll say it again. It bears repeat. meeting. My cool of the week is once again the stand. I actually reread the book. Well, no, I reread the book and I checked out both mini-series for a show that I did with Beat and Marcy on the King's Zone. There's two seasons now? Well, no, there's the original 1994 series, and then there's the new one that's got Pennywise's brother in it. Um, but Eric from

From True Blood. Eric from True Blood. Eric from True Blood. Yeah. So needless to say the stand is one of my favorite books of all time. You gotta be specific with those Scars Guards. Which one? That's right.

There's like 50 of them. Isn't what's his name in that other one on Hulu? Um. Penninger's Kid. Castle Rock. Yeah. He is. You're right.

Bill. Bill. Bill. That's his name. Bill's got a guard. All right. No dad, is he in Asgard still? Yep.

He's still trying to figure out science and stuff. Yeah. I'm just going to say, go check out the King's Owned Beat and Marcy on the Super Network and another shout out. So, Brian, we've got to have some news stories, right? Yeah, we're going to start with some TV. Lekeith Stanfield. He's going to star in Apple TV Plus's horror,

a new series adaption of the changeling. That George C. Scott one? I think so. Sounds like it. Is that the one where he's just like, the changeling? All right. Moving on, nobody cares. Jacob Anderson will play Louie in the AMC's interview with the vampire.

Jacob Anderson, he played, I believe it was Greyworm. in Game of Thrones. Okay. Wow. All right. Yeah. Sorry, man. Let's see.

Warner Brothers is hired. This is the person's name Ninja Thyberg to direct the Witches of Eastwick remake slash re-adaption. His name is Ninja? Ninja. All right.

Man, as they'll never leave anything alone. Are they going to I assume they're going to Gender swap it out Then I guess it would be the warlocks of Eastwick Yeah I don't I don't know It's just interesting

God man Where's the originality and all this Like the movies Brian you mentioned Early that's that's original shit I love that I'm tired of reboot things Like, I'm sorry, man. Look, snake eyes, I'm not, I can't, I can't see it.

I can't. Forget what we know and just enjoy it. That's what I did. Other than that, I thought of bad ass. Really? I can't, I can't, man. I can't. I had a problem near the end as.

No, there was a lot of problems in that movie. But I had a big, especially at the end. I had a fucking major problem. But I, I'm, it's on the docket. So we'll get. to it. That also sounds like not a piece of advice that you would ever give ever.

Yeah. It's racist. You know how? It's racist because you can't, why did they're going to introduce snake eyes in a storm shadow and you, you just stalker. All right, stop. Save it for

action returns and you can come on and do that one with us. Okay, you're going to get a bill, you're going to give my imitation of Bill Burr when it comes to this. hate that guy. Fuck him. Oh, not Bill Burr. No, I'm sorry. I'm thinking of, um, not Bill Burr. No, Bill Burr, is that the guy on

Manilin? Oh, no, I'm thinking I'm thinking of another dude. Don't say Bill Hater. No. Say, how does anybody hate Bill? No, there was. There was another dude that was talking shit about Stan Lee. Fucker was his name. Oh, all right. Oh, the, the the fucking guy on HBO.

Yeah. Oh, Bill Mark. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, that guy's kind of... Yeah. He's talking shit about Stan Lee. Fuck him. Bill Mark can't decide what side of all he wants to be on. He like fucks with liberals and conservatives equally right now. I don't know about all that. He started talking shit about Stan Lee. Fuckin. Come on, dude. Cannibal women in the avocado jungle of death is a classic. That's no good either.

I love you, sweet Rob, but damn. I always get him confused with a dude from Elm Street 3 that played the doctor. Makes sense. I can see that. He looks like each other. Oh, that's a guy from a body double. Yeah. Craig Wassoon.

At the very least, Bill Maher definitely looks like a villain in a movie somewhere. Bond, right? Yeah. He did date that video chick. back in the day. They called her Superhead because she gave Superhead. So it says Bill Maher, I'm not

believing him. No, it was like a known thing. Oh, okay. Well, damn, if reputation precede you. All right, continue with the news. Marlon Wayans will star in Jeff Wadlow's untitled Netflix

Halloween film. Try, guys. Try and try. This is all I got for news. Hey, Halloween. That'd be good. Netflix Army of Thieves gets October 29th release date. This is the sort of, I guess, a prequel to Army of the Dead. I'm in. Okay.

Yeah. Like, I hope they go along with the story and throw a little extra in there. I think this one's more about the one guy that is the guy that picks the locks on the Yeah, Gunter or whatever his name is. Yeah. Yeah, the German guy. Super German name. Oh, man.

The one that was, was it easy, peasy, Japanese? Oh, we don't say that. He's the one that only got like $25,000 or something. They're giving millions to the other people. What is this? Army of thieves. Oh, yeah. The lock picker, man.

So about the screaming. and let you know what we wouldn't be talking about uh spider-man trailer if it wasn't for your grandson being in the background oh they're all in the background this one got a house full of kid and he's in there bouncing off the wall so hey i got to record show comes first uh lastly uh lewis pullman uh bill pullman's son he's going to star in james juan's salem's lot remake. James Juan is doing it? Yeah, he's directing it.

I think. Are you sure? I want to say directed, but you never know. I heard that he's bringing back the original Barlow design. Yeah, I hope so. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I wanted to say it a lot.

I saw the trailer for his new film yesterday. Malignant? Malignant. That's she looks good. Oh, yeah. So, Nass, you've had actually been to the location, huh? Yep. It's kind of down the street from Silver Shamrock, a few miles away from there.

Are you serious? Yeah, and it's the same town where outbreak happened. Wow. Didn't you say that it was even creepy in real life? What, that town? Yeah. Yeah, man, it felt like people were following us. Because you're exotic.

Yeah, man. Did they work at the factory? I don't know, man, but there was a black SUV following us around. I know that. Oh, damn, dude. That's a warning sign. That's the feds, bro. No, it was, uh, no, they, the silver shamrock, that little area, that was all run down and beat up how it looks in the movies.

Now the little, um, Salem's lot, man. I don't know. They didn't, uh, I guess they didn't like me there. But, um, it was cool. I mean, you could, all the little place. The only thing that they built was the actual house. that that's not there everything else

that they filmed there was filmed in the movie all that's still there oh real quick footnote if you guys are like hardcore Salem's lot fans you got to check out Chapelweight I heard about that

yeah it's on the docket is it good? Yeah it's about it's from that short story Jerusalem's lot by Stephen King so it's just about how that if you're familiar with the

short story, it's just about that guy Charles Boone that comes to Maine and inherits this mansion that his predecessor has and how the town just hates that family because they feel that the family brought a curse.

And it's interesting because like in the opening credits, you get a quick flash of one of the characters from the original Salem's Lot miniseries. I won't tell you who, but it's kind of cool the way you see that quick shot. David's soul?

With the leather patches on his elbows? No. No. There was the second one any good? Return to Salem's lot? No, man. That was utter garbage. I wouldn't watch it with your eyes, dude.

It was... No. I see it on stars. I didn't know if it was any good. If you have nothing else to do, it just watch it. but I cannot stand Michael Moriarty. That dude talks like he's nervous all the time. Like, well, I don't know what you guys think about this, but, you know, it's like, bro.

Is that the guy from the stuff? I've never seen that either. It's the guy from... Sounds about right. He's from Law & Order. He was in Pale Rider. He was the guy that's like, hey, preacher, you think you can't, like, help us out here? Because we're like getting our asses.

It's that dude. I can't stand that dude. unless he's Ben Stone on a Law and Order. What's his name? Michael Moriarty. Yeah, the name's so familiar. We've had so many people yelling at us on this episode. That is the guy from the stuff.

He looks like the wish version of the wish version of what's his name, John Voight. I can see it. Did you see the 2004 one was Rob? Pablo? Say it long. Yeah. Yeah. That was a steaming pile of shit too.

Yeah. I just saw when it first came out. I liked it. But I only seen it that one time. No, I couldn't get behind that. It's all about James Mason and David's Soul for me. I still want to see that UK version that's bloodier. What?

Yeah. There's an uncut version out there that's that they had to cut a lot. You know, Toby Hooper directed it. He went kind of crazy. But, yeah, man, there's a U.K. version. I think it's like 20 minutes longer and bloodier. All right. You got any more news, Brian, or is that it?

That's it. Well, here's something really quick. I haven't even seen a trailer, but people are talking about it. Some good, some bad. Death Rider and the House of Vampires. The film that's directed by Danzig. Well, I'm hoping it's better than that. last movie he did, because that last one he did was

garbage. It can't be worth to shit, dude. There's no way. He's like, I have Rob Zombie can do it. I can too. To invade theaters this Friday, and I assume next Friday they're talking about because this article came out on Friday. So, but

people have seen it, I guess they showed it at some theaters. They showed it down in L.A. and then there was one in Vegas, but I don't know. if it can get a wide release. But yeah, that's, I haven't even seen a trailer for this.

I don't know. But Danzig, I love his music. I love old misfits. I love his first album, but I don't know. And it seems like he's full of himself. Just watch that video when he got knocked out by that one guy from, from the, what you can call it, Kings, from Phoenix. If you guys haven't seen that video, he was on the rez, trying to get raw,

and he got knocked out. Oh, I thought that was just some. dude. Is that somebody? It was a singer for some other band, Northside Kings from Phoenix. Oh, I thought it was just some fan and he started talking shit and turned around smacked him. No,

they were, the guy that was put on the show, he was coming back from Albuquerque with all the sound stuff, but the truck they had broke down. So he was stuck on the road, but Danzig, well, we got our stage and we got equipment.

We'll just set up and let everyone play. So they were like, oh, cool. So they set up. Danzig played first. That was supposed to be like, I think like three or four other bands after him. And then as soon as Danzig was done, he walked off stage. And his crew came in, started taking down the lights and packing up all the speakers and everything. So that guy from the North Side Kings went to him and was like, hey, man, what's going on?

Why are you guys taking down the stage? And he, Danzig was like, well, why don't you just go on after us? and then they kind of got into more some words and then Danzig pushed that guy like fuck you motherfucker and he pushed him and that dude just came just with the right cross and

that was it Danzig just dropped like sack potatoes and then that's the end of the video so I mean that the dude knocked him out when you're 5-3 you can't be walking around talking shit there but yeah I do

I do when are people going to learn I'm also kind of amazed hadn't got knocked out more, Lance. Haven't hung out with me quite a bit. I can understand that. That thought. When are people going to learn that a push is a warning shot?

Man, you just go for the head. Yeah, because as soon as Danzig pushed that dude, he didn't even hesitate. He just, bach, clocked him. Green light. Yeah, my cousins were supposed to play that show. and they were there. They saw it all went down in a hallway. It was out on the Reds in Arizona.

Well, and Lance, you're probably not near as much of a dick as Glenn Danzig. You never know, man. You never know. But I do have one question. Like, where you live now? Do y'all have any trailer parks? Who me? Yeah.

Oh, were we in L.A.? Fuck no, he's in the boozy area. It ain't no trailer park. Okay, the closest trailer park is in Malibu, and Nash is bougie as hell. All right, so while you're at the busier trailer park, I live there. Yeah, while you're at the busier trailer park, Brian is about to bring us the big, the small, and the very, very weird. And Naz, I already listened to you and your home boy. talk about this for 30 minutes so we might sit back

a little bit let these other guys talk about them what do you think about what is it Spider-Man homecoming or far from home or home boys or what's it called Brian? Yeah

Spider-Man no way home No way home If you guys want to hear If you guys want to hear our breakdown go over to eating society and check that out. And we did a full breakdown of the whole

trailer. But I thought it was awesome. I can't wait for it. I'm excited for it. I just like the memes that were born from it, especially the one I made that went viral. So if you haven't seen the meme, I did, it's the one where they show the pumpkin bomb and Willem Defoe's crazy face when he was at the Golden Globes. Oh, shit.

That was mine. That's all we need to know. To be fair, Willem Defoe's always got a crazy face. I mean, that, yeah, that dude is, I would, my dream project, if I was a billionaire filmmaker, I'd want to do a live action, the Dark Night Returns, and cast him as the Joker. You know, we should get like John Malkovich, Willem Defoe and, right? Christopher Wachin. Yeah, Christopher Wach on the same movie together. How great would that be?

And you've got to throw Michael Moriarty in there, too. There you go. I'm sure there's a couple more we're forgetting. Lance. Yeah. Box. Oh, I'm all for it, dude. I'm, fuck it.

I'm in for a penny, in for a pound in the Marvel universe at this point, you know? And you guys have heard my concerns about going into the multiverse. It's like now all of a sudden all these people that have, you know, died, it's not so dramatic anymore because they can bring them. It's not them, though. I know. What's with the trains?

That's what I, this is what, because I listened to Nez, I heard you guys break it down for half an hour, man. What's with all those trains coming up at the same time? Y'all, you think that's multiverse, like trains from different, uh, universe? It's not Dr. Strange. It's not our Dr. Strange, at least. It's not? Yeah, there's a thing that he's, um, right here. Dr. Strange is wearing the eye of Agam motto or whatever, however you say that, even though in this time,

even though the time stone doesn't exist in this current timeline, because that time, that time zone is gone. If you guys watched Loki, they're saying they're just basically paperweights now because they're useless. Spoiler alert, you guys haven't watched that. I'm all for any Spider-Man movie. I definitely like this kid. I think he's probably the best of the three actors that have played Spider-Man. I hope the other actors show up. Although Andrew Garfield, eh, maybe, maybe not.

But I'm looking forward to it. They're all in it. I'll tell you that right now. They should be, man. I'm looking forward to this. I'm hoping Miles pops up in this. Oh, that'd be awesome. Hell does.

They said there's a scene where Spider-Man's running through a building, or there's a lot of people. And I guess it's a... I forgot what they said it is, but his aunt works there. And I guess Miles works there, too, or a version of Miles or his parents. Somebody works there that's related to him. So there's been rumors that he's in the movie. That showed the prowler in the last movie. Lando, Donald Glover?

He's a prowler. I don't know if that guy becomes a prowler. He mentioned his nephew, and that's Miles. Donald was a little too laid back to be a fucking villain. We're spider pig in this situation. That's what I'm... Yeah, that's... Spider-Ree.

We want Peter Porker. Spider-Man, Nor. We need Nicholas Cage. There's rumors. There's also rumors Matt Murdoch is going to show up. Oh, he's... Charlie Cox. No, wait.

Ben, Ben Affleck. No, that's Batman. My, uh, my buddy, uh, Ryan... That's different. My buddy Ryan worked on that Spider-Man. Yeah? He does, uh, he does the visual, some of the visual effects for it.

For the new Spider-Man movie? Yeah, he's worked on all three of them. Oh, fucking awesome. Yeah, he contracts out for Marvel. Like, anytime you watch any Marvel flick where any of the vehicles or Iron Man and War Machine, when they have that little vapor trail when they fly, he designs the, he does the vapor trails and he does the fire effects.

Nice. All right. Don't get land started on fire. Well, this isn't a tournament of chance. champions, Brian. Well, you know what? I mean, pretty much all of the Spider-Man movies

have been really good. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. Like, I know that there's some different, there's some that are better than others, but the Spider-Man movies, on the whole, have felt really good.

He said like Dr. Evil. On the whole. Oh, Scott Evil. So, I mean, I'm down for this one. We'll see what they do. I'm hoping at some point they end up, instead of expanding this multiverse of madness, it ends up in some sort of just straight up reboot. Because they're going to get to the point to where it's too complicated.

Yeah, too many working parts. I got, I got, that's what I'm worried about. Yeah. That's what I'm concerned about. And like, nothing counts. Nothing matters because dead people come back. It's not them. Not black cats.

Or not black cat. Black Widow, she can't come back. You start bringing in alternate universes and how complicated can you make it? They could keep this thing going on forever. It's going to be fucking all of my children. Amazing. The reason they're doing this is because all these actors are aren't doing it anymore.

This is the perfect way to bring in new actors by that. Like, oh, here's a new different timeline. And now we got a new Captain America. Yeah, give them their swan song, right? And this is a way they can bring in X-Men and Fantastic Four and everything. Having said that, this is a way that they can bring in fucking Wolverine. Get him out here and put in some characters that we give a shit about. I don't want a fucking movie about Black Widow.

I don't give a shit about Black Widow. That was a good movie. I liked it. It wasn't. They announced the new Wolverine, guys. Who was it? Dane DeHan. Fuck, no.

They better not bring his Green Goblin back in. That was garbage. Look, at the end of this film. He has been in the Marvel Universe. Look at that. At the end of this film, I want to see fucking Peter Parker give up Spider-Man and throw his shit

like in the trash and walk away from it and then after the credits we zero win on the outfit in the trash and these hands pick it up and hold the mask and it's Ned.

Huh. That's what I want to see. Ned becomes what's his name? Is that why he slimmed down because he's going to put the costume on? No, I hope so. You're talking about Hobgoblin, right, Nez.

That's a chunger-Man. Wait, who's you supposed to become? Hobgoblin, I think. Was that where he was? Yeah, in the comics. In the comics? Yeah. Yeah, he's, yeah, Ned was a hobgoblin.

And the actor that plays him, he's like, he lost a lot of weight. And Ned Leeds is white and blonde, but I don't know what's going on. The kid's super wrong. So is Flash Thompson. So it's Snake Eyes. Yeah. You guys, come on now. And Nick Fury is the Hoff.

I didn't. Yeah. Snake Guy is white. I guess you're white. Hey, but seriously, Nez, do you think that was the lizard in that shot? Did you all confirm it? That's what everyone's saying. I can't really tell in this picture.

I mean, I saw the one that they brightened it up. if it is cool, I mean, we're already getting, we know we're getting, right? Yeah, we know we're getting green goblin. We know we're getting, um, Dr.

Octopus, which is awesome. That was my favorite one out of the Toby McGuire ones. Electro. He, he confirmed, kind of, like he posted something on Instagram,

then deleted it. Jimmy Fox? Yeah. And he also, they also said it's not going to be that version you've seen him. in. I hope not. He's going to have the yellow and green. He's going to have the yellow and green. Because they're saying that Sandman's going to be in this as well. I mean, that's cool. I thought he was all right.

Because there was some sand they showed really fast. But I don't know. This is a lot of fan theories and everything. And they're saying that Toby McGuire's black suit is in it. You see Spider-Man in the black suit? Not the one when he's running in the black and gold one. That's Tom Holland. But the black suit, the Toby McGuire wore on Spider-Man 3, which I hated the way that looked. But they're saying that that's going to be in it. Because the pictures I'm looking at, this is all in the new trailer, everyone. And that's something they showed really fast. I'm like, if it is okay. And I think the biggest question that we had in this, there's a scene in the trailer when Dr. Strange pushes Spider-Man and Peter goes flying out of it.

It's kind of like a out of a thing. Spider-Man has, he's either holding or some kind of green gold metal cube. We don't know what that is. I assume it's something to do with Dr. Strange, but I don't know yet. It's one of the rings from Shang Chi. No, shit. Are you fucking with us or are you serious? No.

No, that's where, that's where, he's fucking with us. No, that's where what's his name is going when he won. Wong. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to Shang Chi. And, I mean, oh, you got to listen to the Asian guys, man. They teach straight up, told him, like, hey, man, whatever you're doing, man, don't do it. It'll be bad news. Look at that spell.

And look what happened. So, I mean, this multiverse of madness, it's all Dr. Strange's fault. And Spider-Man, too. It's his, man. But, I mean, obviously the way Spider-Man, far from home, the way that one ended when J. Jonah Jameson popped up and said that

Peter. Jay Jonah, right? Yeah. I was really hyped that he was Jay Jonah Jameson again. But how he told how he told everybody

or the farmer's insurance guy. Yeah, that one mean teacher and that one whiplash movie. The Buffest dude in the Tomorrow War.

Yeah. I love him and everything and he's in. That guy's awesome. He does love him and that's right he wasn't that huh

the rapey Nazi guy yeah it's good um but I don't know exactly where they're going with this I mean this is supposed to lead into Dr. Strange and that we already got the build up from Wanda vision on how that's going to tie into that because Wanda's going to be in Dr. Strange with them so

the hell is that, Pac-Man? What is the fuck is happening? Is the multiverse happening now? Yeah. Who are we losing? Mike, you there? Hello?

Hello? Hey, Mike. Sounds funny now. We're in the multiverse of madness now. We can still hear you mostly. I tried to put you guys on my Bluetooth speaker, but it wouldn't hook up.

I was going to say it sounds like you Bluetoothed out. It's sort of like 80s throwback there for a minute. But the trailer's awesome. I can't wait for it. We'll be here all night again, so I don't really want to dive into it. All right. December 17th. Sean Cheez is Friday.

Yep. I will be there. Yep. I got passes if you guys want to come down. A little too far for me. Roll-on, California. That's one of the beauties. That's one of the beauties of working in a collectible shop,

you get promo tickets from the studios. That's very nice, dude. Very cool. I didn't realize that happened. This is part of the show where Philip takes over. All righty. Well, good luck, guys. We'll take the chances.

Roll on in to listener feedback. This week, podcast, spotlight shines on the horror movie crew. Welcome to Season 2 of the Horror Movie Crew podcast. Oh, they have seasons. We just... We're just going on. We're kind of winging it still. A weekly podcast about all things for.

We continue our August is for Aliens Month with aliens. Look for it anywhere you can find your podcasts. Bam, we talked about that last week. Great movie. What's that? Mike, are you outside? Yeah. Yeah.

It's getting dark. It's getting dark here. You know when the helicopters are out. It's getting dark in L.A. They're coming for you, bro. They were old. We live close to the federal building. They were there the other day while they were lowering the flags.

Huh. All right. We got regarding Dark Shadow's reincarnation. Jordan Powell shared a YouTube video on our Facebook group. giving a complete update on the development of this new twist on a classic series. So check that out. Regarding American Psycho, Kate Pollack says, I love it. Part two?

I don't know. Is there a part two? Yeah. What's the name from 70 Show? What? With James T. Kirk. I don't get the fuck out of here. Aston Cooch's wife.

Nele Coonis. They don't bathe their kids or themselves. Oh, yeah, I have heard that. My wife and I talked about that for a while. She's big on bathing. So there's that. Regarding the new DVD box for just before dawn, Jason Bradford says,

I love the artwork, perfect throwback with 80s horror that graced the VH. boxes. Our buddy Ricky Morgan says after the last few months of planning, rebuilding, and platforming the new version of Hail Ming, Danny Bennett, Mark Allison

and I are excited to bring the next episode on Friday, a week from today. So here's the new... Well, not today. Yeah, by the time we record, who knows? It's probably out, man. But here's the new opening for the show, which will be a regular audio podcast

and video version on YouTube. Oh, they got a video version. Cool. We look forward to talking to you. We look forward to taking you along with us on our next adventure. Please share and spread the word. Yeah, those guys are great, man. They're fun.

Robert Ariel Wellman says, Hey, guys, check it out. I'm on Netflix thumbnail for Brand New Cherry Flavor. What is brand new cherry flavor? new Netflix series Limited series Patrick said it's pretty bad ass I haven't seen it though

Somebody said it They kind of compared it to What's that show Fuck Twin Peaks Twin Peaks Kind of strange You know what dude

If I was on the thumbnail For a next Netflix show I'd be pretty stoked about that too Yeah Oh shit Regarding Candyman. That ought to be good.

Travis DeBarris says, My Favorite of the 90s, Such a Beautiful Film. Oh, wrong Candyman. Ryan Stevens says Creep 1 was surprisingly good. Creep 2, less so. I like it.

I liked it. Yeah, no, it wasn't awful. That was a pretty, that's a super underrated movie that most people don't know about. Like, both of the The creeps were not bad movies. It was all right.

You know, Wolf mask that he was wearing and shit. Yeah. Well, you know, you're looking for shit to watch. Not a bad one to watch. Our patron, Sean Henry just edited his monthly Pedge amount to $10. That means we owe him a T-shirt.

Good luck. For some reason. Yeah, I was on same mindset. T shitty. Still waiting for mine. Lance, I guess that's on you. Also, Sean says, I would like to review Soylent Green.

Oh, nice, because I've never watched that. I'm down. 1973. Maybe it's a better book than a movie. I don't know. I've just always heard great things about it. And, you know, it's kind of iconic. Soilet Green is people?

It's people. Spoiler alert. And China Syndrome, 1979. I don't know what that one is, but I'll watch. Was that with... Jane Fonda, right? Jane Fonda?

Ah, Hanoi Jane. All right. I'm clearly looking, I'm clearly shooting for a disaster-centric set of movies. Also, I would like to do a commentary on the movie, clerks too. Oh, man.

Oh, yes. Hell yeah. Now we're talking. Who's doing that? This is Ryan Stevens. He's going to do it? This is Sean Henry. Huh?

No, Sean Henry, dude. Oh, my bad. You just fucking dissed him and he upped his pledge to $10 a month, man. My bad, bro. I was a big thing. Sean Henry. Sean Henry.

There you go. John Henry. John Henry. Oh, wait. Sean Henry. Well, who wants to do the clerks to? Sean Henry. He's going to come on with us, right, Sean?

And I do a commentary for clerks too. Hell yeah. So he says, I look forward to speaking with the horror returns crew once more. Thank you, sir. We look forward to speaking with you, even though I fucked it up to have the wrong name. Since Clark's 3 coming out, are they still filming it or is it done? I think I read that Kevin Smith said it'll be, I think they're rapping filming this week. Is that a thing?

Yeah. Ben, I don't know about Kevin Smith. That dude is so hit or miss. I love most of his movies. And then every once in a while, he just shits the bed. The yoga holder was garbage. Oh, God. I was just about to ask, what is the one with the brawomen?

worse Nazi guys. Bratzis? Yeah. That's yoke. I was terrible. I love you, Kiv, but man, I don't know what you were doing. I know you're just trying to get, let your daughter shine. Yeah, cool, but.

Didn't you direct Red State? That was hell of good. It's okay. I hated the one with the policeman or whatever. Pop out. Pop out. Yeah, you ever hear him talk about it, though?

he hates Bruce Willis Yeah I guess they weren't getting along too well Yeah Bruce Willis sounds like he's sort of at the end of his career and he's just Phoneing shit in for money You got to see the poster for that movie he has with Megan Fox It's really Yeah I think I forgot what it's called but it looks like he's having like he had a seizure or something He's doing some kind of face

The fanatic too It's probably just what he looks like right now. That's what plastic surgery does he. Is he banging her in that one? He's got, he's like 60 fucking bull-upers. I don't know. I think he's a cop. I don't know what she is, but they're on the poster together, and he's making his face, like he had a seizure, and his face stuck.

It's weird. You guys ever see that video where he was talking shit to that photographer? Uh-uh. He was getting in his car, and he's like, Don't make me come over there and kick your ass. That guy's like, man, look, John McClain is a character in the film. I'm real life. He's like, I'm real life.

He's like, I'm knock your bald white ass out. And Bruce Willis is like, whatever, man, whatever. Whatever, I'm out. He's like, whatever, yeah, man, get in your car, getting your car. See, I still have a level of respect for Bruce Willis where I bet you he could lay an ass whooping on somebody if he needs to. In my mind, I hope that he can. I bet he can kill a fifth of vodka. Yeah, there's that.

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Boogie Man Bougain Okay, sorry. That Bruce Willis movie. He should the bed and death was something. It was garbage. Sorry, Phil. I sent him a poster with Bruce Willis on it.

I swear, he looks like Ari Lehman from the first Friday to 13th. All right. Time out. I got to look at this shit. I don't know what this face is. Oh, yeah, that's a stroke. For sure. Bill Hirsch and Luke, Lucas Hoss is in it.

That's the face he makes and they tell him they want him to do Death Wish, too. Nice. He'll do it for the right amount. Is that Machine Gun Kelly that's in this? Yeah. I like Machine Gun Kelly, man. I think that's where they met.

It was doing this movie. Hmm. Is she like 30 years older than him? It doesn't matter. Happens. He's going to be the new... Yeah, fuck it. Never mind.

He was badass in the dirt as Tommy Lee. I thought he was good in that. Oh, yeah. Machine Gun Kelly. Well, that was him. I like that, dude. I forgot about that. Okay. I like when he got power bombed on Raw by Kevin Owens.

except when he decided he wanted to take on M&M for some fucking reason I was stupid I gave him his respect he went he went he went he went at M&M like no one else did but we we knew it was coming after that he got the attention he wanted I mean he swung but got knocked out he had the juice uh all right so we're going to bogeyman we're just trying to find ways to not talk about

the movie um The 1981? No, 2005. I should have went 1980. With the dude, the one with the dude from 7th Heaven. That's all I kept seeing.

Yeah, that's how I realized, oh, I've seen this fucking movie before. After. Okay. So, boogeyman,

every culture has one. The horrible monster fueling young children's nightmare. There's John Wick. But for Tim, the boogeyman still lives in his memories as a creature that devoured his father 16 years earlier. Is the boogeyman real, or did Tim make him up to explain why his father abandoned his family? Wait, is this the movie that came out? When did this one come?

Right. 2004. I suspect maybe two of us have actually seen the right movie. Because Brian, when you said boogeyman and I went to IMDB, I found like seven or eight fucking movies called Boogie Man or the Boogie Man or Boogie Knights or whatever. Wait, that's good one, right? One with the guy from 7th, 7?

Yeah. Okay. All right. So you're in. All right. All right. The answer lies hidden behind every dark question. corner and half-open closet of his childhood home, which is what made up 75% of the movie. A place he must return to and face the chilling unanswered questions.

Does the boogeyman really exist? Not that's garbage. Director Stephen Kaye, also known for episodes of Yellowstone and Sons of Anarchy. Both, I've never seen Yellowstone, but I've heard great things. Oh, yeah. She's good news. So there's that. Um, writer is, uh, Eric Kripke, uh, Kripke, uh, also known for the TV show, The Boys.

Great. And also Julia Snowden, um, also known for Knowing and Ouija, Ouija. Mm-hmm. All right. The second one. That sounds like the first one. Second one was good. Oh, the knowing. Is that the Nicholas Cage? Nicholas Cage, yeah. Or he can, he can get out of the way of stuff because he knows. when you're going to be there.

Is that the one I'm thinking of? I think we found a fucking problem in this one. That's the one. That's the one. We found the weakest link. Garbage. The movie did have the scariest thing.

Sounds like they're not fans of the knowing. It sounds like California Condor. The only good about this movie was Zena. I didn't even recognize. that was her. Yeah. You didn't recognize her

when she popped up? No. The warrior princess. Where was she? Who was she in this movie? She was in the middle of the movie. She was the main guy's mom. Yeah.

Like a second. Yeah. Half a second. She popped in and was like, I'm Zena and then popped out. Yeah. There was Hercules and my little girlfriend, a little blonde girl.

They were begging everyone. I don't care when anyone says. I hope that they were because that's what I was thinking when I was I love that show All right Eric Kripke also wrote the screenplay

for this film We'd go on to reference To film in Supernatural Hollywood Babylon What's that? I have no idea Speaking of Supernatural Is that show still going?

It's over Oh, it's finally over? Eleven seasons, right? Or was it ten? That sounds like you're undercutting it. It sounds like that. Oh, more than that?

Yeah. I'm gonna go I'm gonna say 15 Wow Okay Is it it over under We play some bets It's kind of like a Saturday Night Live thing Going here

All right Boogieman Uh Let's start with Brian Since you picked this fucking movie Yeah this movie sucks Really quick Supernatural went 2005 to 2020

All right You guys do the malls I was more interesting. You all want to talk about Supernatural? I've never seen it. I haven't either. I watched the first season. It was okay. I just didn't get sucked into it.

We are really trying not to talk about this movie. Shout out to Jared Padalecki. There's a boogie man somewhere in this movie. Yeah, and then when you see him, he looks fucking stupid. He was in the 1981. Check that one out, everyone. one was garbage. Yeah. Like I said, I've been saying every week, I'm trying to do my positive reviews.

I can't find anything. Nothing happens in this movie. Nothing. There you go. Not a fucking thing. Pretty boring. You nailed the one. Hit it on the head. When I seen Lucy Lawless in the credits, I'm like, okay, that's something. But then she's she might as well not even be in the movie. It's almost like seeing Tony Todd in the credits. Right. You got a check.

I know. I know. Clearly, I'm, I like some. Spoiler alert. I like some of the camera work. And then I kind of looked more into it. And this is done by a Sam Ramey's company, ghost house pictures. Okay.

I kind of like the camera work when he was driving up to the house. Yeah. It looks, you can tell he was influenced by Sam Ramey or wanted to put some of that into this because of Sam Ramey. Yeah. I could say that. The story, I don't know, man. Your fucking father walked out on you. Get over it, man.

Just fucking crying throughout the whole movie. Did he? Or did he get eaten? I think his father walked out on him, and he grew up to be a fucking killer and murdered his girlfriend and his uncle, Uncle Mike. Is that your take on it? Yeah. And then after the movie was over, he murdered the other girl,

fucking Zoe Day Chanel's sister. Right. Is that real? Yeah, that is. Oh. She knows Zoe. Yeah, I was looking at it. She does a little bit.

That is. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what to say. It's just nothing. You're following him around. He's fucking scared of open closets. And when the closet closes. he fucking throws himself around everywhere.

Fucking daydreams a lot, thinking about boogeyman. Maybe he's got to pet it. I couldn't get out of my head that he was the guy from seventh heaven throughout the movie. I don't even know what that is. Like with the show with Jessica Beal.

It was like, they were like religious. And then the actor that played the, father messing with like young kids or something I don't know what that is when you finally see the

we broke my when we finally see the actual boogeyman it looks fuck it's the worst CGI I shout out to Andrew

Glover played the boogeyman sorry Andrew well it definitely made his money I mean, the budget was 20 million and it boxed off as 67.

Are you serious? It got a boogie man two and three. Yeah, it did. Oh, no. This was a pretty high budget horror movie. Well, you got Sam Ramey's name was attached to it. That's what put everybody in the seats. Yeah, he fucking pocketed most of the money. I don't know where it went in this movie.

It went up his nose. I could almost guarantee you. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah, good point. Allegedly. That dude was so fucking high. Drunk as fuck, but we went up to talk to him. Sam?

No, no, no. Ted, Tad, Ramey. I was going to say, where was this? All right. All right. Mike, what did you think about this one, man? Best nap I ever had in the movie movie movie. There you go.

go. I mean, I'm sorry, but, like, my figure photography, pictures, like, are way better than the stupid-ass reveal of this creature. Yeah, okay. The way the, the way the monkey man, the way the monster moved reminded me of that, that episode, a family guy, when Peter said, they're cutting the budget for the show, so, like, they cut out different cells of him walking, and he was just, like, bouncing all over the screen. because they took out like the walking cycle of the animation and he was and Lance is

I mean, Brian's right man it looked like if you guys remember that show that Spielberg presents a what was it, Young Sherlock Holmes movie.

Okay. Okay, remember when that night, that plate glass window night came to life and he was fighting it? That's what it looked like. That's the first thing I thought. It was like, this is just bunk, man.

This is stupid. And I think, like, midway through the film, I went and got something to drink, and I went and snuck in and saw something melts. Probably, Thou Shall not Kill, except. I think I snuck in to see that. But, yeah, no, man, this film was utter garbage. All right. Tell us what you really think.

Nez, what do you think? Garbage. all right we'll all do this one quickly I mean nothing against everyone you too nothing

nothing against anyone that was acting in it I mean they they did their job I can't hate on them it just wasn't they did they didn't

there's no story put it together yeah I mean I think if it was a little short story it probably would have been better but I think they tried to just go for jump scares and everything, which there was hardly any and

I don't know. Well, they teased you with a whole bunch of jump scares though. Yeah, I mean, but it was nothing. A lot of crazy camera work. I mean, just get all dizzy of nothing. I'm watching the scene right now when he's in the closet, just spinning in a circle, knocking everything down and all kinds of different camera angles. I mean, that's how... Oh my God, it's a hanger! Yeah, that's how they're selling this.

scene and okay yeah boogeyman if you want to watch it for free it's on YouTube so well watch the 1981 and if you want to pay for it

you have to buy it because nobody offers it streaming so I don't even know why we're fucking doing the show but but it is it is in full on YouTube if you want to shit on along with us

whole movie yeah um it yeah I'm gonna go real quick this was this was the bye-bye man of 2005. That's a good way to put it.

That's exactly what it was. That's the same exact thing, man. Yeah. And it's funny. Because what movie did, hold on, what movie did we pair up Bye Bye Man with? Think about it, guys. Oh, it was an original Candy Man, wasn't it?

It was. What? Yep. And that was on my mind the whole time I was watching this. Huh. Didn't even realize that. Yeah, probably better acting, but, man, worse story. Like, that's hard. Yeah, it was just shitty, shitty features.

Like, nothing was really scary. I really thought that kid from 7th Heaven was going to do something. You did this. Yeah, well, and like two other things, and that was it. They just didn't explain, like, why was his. Was his house a gateway to other places or something? And then his mom, who was like, oh, your dad left, he fucking went up to put the kid to bed and then disappeared. And you're like, oh, yeah, he went out for cigarettes and left.

Well, that was the opening scene in the movie, though. You saw him get taken by the boogeyman, right? Or did you? Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a good question. maybe that's just how he remembers it and maybe he is the serial murderer and maybe this is a better movie than we thought it was. But probably not.

I think Fantasm summed it all up with this movie the same line. And it's that it's all in his head. Yeah. I mean it's got to be. Maybe he's just fucking nuts. You got to seem to think.

That's the minds theory. Yeah, he's talking to dead children and I ain't there anymore. Yeah. Good point. Which movie? This movie, he's talking to dead children. I need to help you and the dead kids.

Like, help yourself. Like, exactly. Help yourself. Get out of there. Yeah. For that matter, it's kind of weird for him to be sitting out on a swing set talking to a child that he doesn't know. It really was.

I thought that was creepy as fuck. The CPI is terrible. They couldn't make this movie worse. They have him just hanging out with a little girl. the cGI reminds me of how um uh if you guys remember uh robocop two

how the robot dude looked how his face how his face looked or he looked how um cybo man looked and um one more man yeah there you go

and it kind of reminded me of the vampire zombies or whatever the hell those were with that um what was that one will Smith movie windows in New York. Oh, come on. That was better than this. No, it had those, that

kind of features, but crappier. It's that fucking Windows 95 animation. Yeah. Yeah. That was I can't do any of this on a computer, so I'm just a fat guy

talking shit, but it's just I mean, early mid-2000s, CGI I would say this was still in the beginning stages. Right. When was... This was beyond that, dude. Fucking Jurassic Park was...

Yeah. But that's when... Well, that's Universal and Steven Spielberg and all that. They didn't have IL doing the CGI in this. That's no excuse. They had like MIL doing this. That's no excuse. They could have talk to somebody.

They did. This is what they paid. photograph it. They got what they paid for. Hey, look, man, they could have had some bomb-mast stop motion. They could have. Yeah, they could have, man. Spoiler alert, wasn't the boogeyman just kid's action figure? Yes, yes, yes. That would have been awesome, dude. Yes. If they did it like the way they did Freddy's puppet in Elm Street 3, you know,

that would have been cool. That would have been acceptable because it's an... But was the boogeman? the action figure, or did he use the action figure to protect him against the boogeyman? No, he's fucking crazy. He was in his head. I don't know. I seen it

once, and I just remember it being very unmemorable. And his little fucking lightning, little globe created lightning blasts everywhere. This movie's fucking stupid. I forgot all about that. You know what?

Event Horizon had shitty TGI, too. It was still a great fucking movie. movie. Which one? Event Horizon? Ben Horizon. Fuck you guys. I don't want to hear anything otherwise. Hell of it. That's true. That movie is. That was scary.

Did you guys ever do an American War Wolf in Paris? No. We're saving that for it. Is it really that bad, even though? I know the question. I'll say, Brian, we need to do that for 31 days. Okay. You got it. It's on Tooby.

I think I saw that one in the theater. Yeah. I've seen that one in the theater, too. Garbage. with the the bungee jumping werewolves, right? Yeah, I totally forgot.

That's all I remember. The drummer from the Wonders was the main guy, Tom Everett's God. Oh boy, the Wonders. I love that movie. All right. Lance?

Did you go? Well, I mean, when you get a movie where the scary or the most dramatic jump scare is when he's standing over a bathtub and he's looking at the faucet and boom! The faucet turned on!

Water's coming out of the faucet! Holy shit! That was like the biggest jump scare in the whole movie, man. Terrible. They tease them a lot where it's like, ha! Oh, it's just your friend from behind, huh? Yeah, really bad. I think Brian you got me convinced that it was this dude all along. There was no supernatural buggy.

man or whatever, but yeah, this was terrible. And it was very uncomfortable when he was around the kids. I was like, okay, where's other adults? I'm like, looking to the left, looking to the right, turning my head around, like, what's this kid

doing, sitting on a swing set with a little girl? Well, and then when she leaves and says she's going home, he fucking follows her. Oh, man. So, so, so awkward. So awkward. where did you pick this movie Brian why why would you pick this I mean is it because it's a

urban legend or right here exactly normally you know what I'm gonna stand behind Brian 100% or no 99.9% Brian normally you are spot on dude when you match a movie with another one there's a great running theme for the reason that the classic horror film should be paired with a new one. This one, you lost me, brother. I kind of went with the themes of they consider Candyman a a boogeyman.

Yeah. You might as well have done John Wick then, for that matter. No, he's not the boogeyman. He's whatever he was. Yeah, there you go. I don't have any...

I don't have my... Which is not really a boogeyman. Bobby Yaga is a big old witch. We should probably get on to the real movie, right? No. I want to keep talking about Boogie Man. All right.

Let's do scores on Boogie Man. Brian. I just, okay, let me throw something out there on the table. Yeah. So I just skimmed over this in, in the last five minutes.

This film. Okay. And I think it has undertones of pedophilia. Yeah. And that I mean, okay, so. It does seem to.

You're right. You're 100% right, dude. Symbolically, I think his dad was figgling around with him. because and he blocked it out because remember now he had that action figure was his talisman it kept the booby man away right so the symbolism of the closet is this kid has that that uh those that stimulus in the closet inside of him so by him kind of playing around with acting on it it's personified in him following that little girl roll around. Okay. So deep down inside, this kid has that gene or that stimulus that his dad had.

Wow. And that's why his mom never explains where his dad went. Okay. So this is, his dad was the real boogeyman. His dad was the boogeyman. Okay. Because when they find that one, that one room that had all the missing kids, all, or pictures all over the place. Yeah. That's what his dad was doing. Yep. His, and by him summoning a protection, that's when his dad went back in the closet. His dad basically, you know, he

did away with his dad. That was the symbolism was he got rid of his dad, but his dad probably just did take off. Huh. All right. Point five. So look at your scores, because I really want to get to the real movie. Yeah.

I think I think you're trying to find a pearl a pile of shit here. No, I think Mike might be spot on actually on this one. Point five. That would make more sense.

Point five. Ouch. I'm going to give it a one. One. One. All right. Mike? Okay. First of all, I was like, no matter how much syrup you pour on shit,

It's never going to be pancakes. So with that being said, like, I give it half a star. Ooh. Point five. Which is a point five. Wow. All right. I'm going to sound like the high guy here.

I'm going to give it. I mean, I guess I can't really go more than two. I think there was something here. It was just a shitty script. So, I mean, production was not terrible aside from the CGI. they made their money so yeah yeah and he's a high budget horror film is that on the blue ray we made our money made our money we got your money enough to release a fucking blu-ray the search for more money uh all right uh lance uh i'll i'll give it a one um

I can't say anymore. This is the lowest rated movie we have ever watched. No, this is no finding Jennifer, whatever it was called. Oh, yeah. I think we were fucking giving out negative numbers on that one. To Jennifer, that was, yeah. That's the only old-the-record as all-time worst movie ever. What was the other terrible one?

We gave some negative numbers on. Black Christmas. The Darkness? Three. The darkness. That one didn't work out. Black Christmas was, no, I think we gave that one. some probably better scores than this.

The new one? Yeah. That's Ness's favorite movie. I got it right here on my hand. No, I, like, I fucking hate it a lot. But if you guys want the digital code, reach out to me. I don't hear anyone reach out. I don't see that motherfucker for free.

I don't want that movie on my computer. Listen to Brian and I, did we do three separate episodes or one, one big one? I think we did one. We talked about all three. Ouch. We loved the first in the remake. And I was the only one that liked, was it last year or the year before of Black Christmas?

Last year. Oh, yeah. I was the only one that liked it. Yeah. You bought it. So, I mean. Yep. They were Social Justice Warrior.

Before Social Justice Warrior was cool. That was country. All right. All right. So speaking of social justice, we're going to move on to Candyman. A spiritual sequel to the horror film, a spiritual sequel. All right. To the horror film Candyman. That's what it says. To a horror film Candyman that returns the now gentrified Chicago neighborhood where the legend began. Director is Nia Dacosta, also known for Little Woods in the upcoming MCU film The Marvels. writers are Jordan Peel,

Mia DeCosta, and Wynne Rosenfeld. Production was brought back to the Cabrini Green neighborhood. Though the high rises have been long demolished, the Roe houses still exist. This film is a direct sequel to the original Candyman from 1992, ignoring the events of the sequels that followed. Were there more sequels to Candyman? man. There were, but you know what? I'm not so sure they did ignore. I guess we can get into that.

Hey, but before we go on, guys, we got a special guest here. We got to hear the perspective of an 11-year-old. Am I right? Addison? Yes. Real quick, I'm sorry. Before we go to that, I'm going to, I got to read this last sentence because it's kind of. Sorry, sorry. According to director Nia Dacosta, the crew actually encountered a bee infestation during film act. So, Annie Pannerman apparently was not happy with them. All right, Addy, go ahead. All right, we got Addison here who went to see the movie. I'm a great-grandparent.

Or not great-grandparent. I'm a wonderful grandfather here, right? Great-grandparenting skills. I took an 11-year-old to see an R-rated movie with a lot of blood in it. But that's okay, because you love Alien, right? Tell everybody, and you love Jaws, right? Yes. Tell the audience.

They want to know what movie. What are some of your favorite horror movies? I think it's, I don't know if this is counted as a horror movie, but it's Fear Street. Fear Street, okay. I'll think it. That was a good movie. I haven't seen it. It's good.

It's good. All right. No spoilers. No spoilers, Addy. But we want to know what you thought about this movie. Okay. So I thought it was actually kind of like creepy because like when he started going hives on his like face and half of his body, I thought it was like a lot of like weirdness. Because I was, when he was at his mom's house, I saw it on his cheek and I was like, oh, maybe he just got like caught or something on his cheek.

But I thought it was like really like, I don't know. Because when I left the movies, I told my grandpa, I was like, well, like, that's like something called, like, tribophobia, where the fear of holes or whatever. And it honestly was kind of disgusting to me. I was like, okay, that is not like, I don't know. It was just nasty to me. It is pretty creepy. Yep. What did you think about the acting?

Did you think everybody did a good job? Do you think that was it scary at all? It was scary, like, when those two people, like, were closing up that art shop, and then he, like, starts cutting, but you see it in the mirror. But he's, like, right by the projector, but you're like, where is he? Because if he's cutting the projector, but he's over there, how is he even, like, cutting it? And then I thought it was also nasty when I think the wife in the morning went to, like, go check on. the place and she saw like his intestines out on the floor and I was like okay that is pretty nasty I was like okay that looks too realistic it was really like nasty

smells after day or two too trust so you know how you see some movies and it's really bad special effects right like terrible computer graphics and stuff like that yeah did this give that feeling or did it look real it looked when he started going to be beehives. I thought it actually kind of looked really, like, realistic. But at the same time, I was like, it actually kind of doesn't look real. But when he was sawing off his arm to put the hook in his arm, oh, well, they know it's going to happen, I'm sure. Yeah, but it was kind of nasty. That's not a big spoiler. That was nasty. What did you think about the acting? Did you think that everybody did their role pretty well? Yeah, for most of the part. Okay. Well, anything else to

say about the movie? Nope. Did it leave you with a good feeling, like a happy feeling at the end, or more of a... It was more of a creepy feeling. I didn't think I was going to sleep that night. That is the horror movie. Yeah. So how would you compare this to like Johns, for example?

Would you like? I would say, they're almost the same, but if I were to choose one movie, I would definitely choose Jaws. Oh, there you have it. Okay. Saving Grace. A horror movie. Get out of here.

Shut the fuck up. We don't want to... It's an adventure. All right. An adventure of people getting murdered. By sharks. Steven Spielberg said it's an adventure movie. Anything else you want to throw in before you head out? Nope.

All right. So there you go. I took an 11-year-old to see Candy Man. Hey, why not? Thank you, Addy. You were awesome today. Thank you, Eddie. All right. Just had to throw that in there.

Man, she was pretty good. She's getting on that talking thing. She enjoyed it, man. She enjoyed it. She wasn't uncomfortable and she wasn't like trying to leave the theater. So I'm proud of her. Yeah. Well, Lance, I guess we'll start with you.

Was it scary enough? for her to leave the theater? Hold on really quick. Oh, yeah. My son, he's 16 and Romeo's 14. They went and seen it with me. This is my son here.

He hasn't seen the original yet. We're going to watch that one probably later tonight. What did you think of this Candyman movie? It was pretty good. I already knew a little bit about the first one and who was this guy, killing people in the game.

Which is a true story. in Oakland. Which, I mean, for this film, I mean, would, did you think, I didn't think it was scary, but did you think it was like, at least creepy and interesting on what was happening in the film? Yeah, I thought it was pretty creepy and how it was interesting about what was going on, his story. All right. So you kind of know the little bit of the history of the first one, because they do kind of touch a little bit on it in this, so. Yeah, when you told me that person was from the first one. I was okay.

All right. Yeah, that was Eric. Romeo, what did you think, conclusion? What did you think of Candyman? Yeah, talking to this. But first of all, have you seen the first,

the original one? No. What did you think of this new one? I mean, just going in there and watching it as a horror movie. What did you think of it? I thought it was pretty good, but they could have done some more,

improve more on the acting, a bit more. But, you know, it was scary. And it was a bit creepy, especially how they made Candyman look. What did you think of like the special effects? Like, you know, if the bees and all that. Yeah.

Good. Very good. All right. All right, guys, that was Eric and Romeo. They were my movies. The real question is, would you go look in a mirror and say Candyman three times? Oh, they just walked out. You know?

I'll answer that question. No. I'll answer that question. No. All right. Lance. You want to roll with this one? Oh, man.

It's got to go to me first, huh? Okay. Well, first of all, I will say this from a technical standpoint. It was a masterfully film movie. I love the special effects. I guess if Addie said, and the other kid said that they caught, you know, some stuff that looked a little phony. You know, hey, that's just the younger generation, right? That's just my old eyes getting fooled or whatever.

But to me, everything looked very practical. I couldn't really see a whole bunch of CGI here. I definitely love the amount of blood and splatter that you got in it. I thought it was very, very cool the way that it started with a bee sting. And then he started like scratching his hand a little bit. And I was kind of wondering, are other people seeing this too? or is he like the only one seeing that his hand is literally working

toward being about to fall off, you know? And now his girlfriend saw it. Okay, so she noticed it. All right. Yeah, he was like, he was like, kiss the boo-boo, and she was like, hell no. All right. So I think the makeup was done incredibly well,

incredibly well. Do I like the way that they tied it to the first story? I did like the way they tied it to the first story, and I did appreciate the urban legend aspect of it. I like the fact that they went back to the original spot. I'm actually one of those few people that is a fan of the other Candyman movies, especially the one that takes place in New Orleans,

because I love the dude that kind of sounds just like Dr. John that's doing the voiceovers. I should have some more New Orleans-based horror movies, man. You know what? That's probably something we should all get together and do. and I only know one director in our midst, so perhaps we could convince to join us for some horror on the bayou. But I love the story of Candyman,

and I like the fact that I'm going to stay away from spoilers in this part, but I like the fact that when he says it's the whole damn high, first of all, Coleman Domingo is a wonderful act. actor. He is the best part of Fear of the Walking Dead. He always has been. It's a shame that I think that's what he'll just be remembered

for. You know what? Even though he's great in a lot of things. I love his voice. I would love to hear him do some like audiobooks and stuff like that because he really sounds like a storyteller. He'll be something for sure. You know what?

I'm not mad. I'm not mad at all at at anything in this movie how do I not go into spoilers here I think again I think it was technically a very well done movie I think it was good callbacks to the first where there's some things that upon rewatching the first movie the night before I thought

I kind of see something coming now that I know there is going to be a sequel and was it a little bit on the nose yes Yes. There's going to be a sequel to what? This? No.

Oh, just. Okay, I got you. I was re-watching Candy Man the night before I saw this movie. Some thoughts popped into my head about something is going to, a particular character is going to show up again. And it did, of course, happen.

And I was like, oh, shit, that was way on the nose. Way. I think I know what you're talking about. That character was in the trailer. Okay. So I'm not going too far out saying that. Um, okay, acting.

Somebody said the acting was maybe not the best. I thought the acting was fine. I definitely hated a lot of the characters because of the pretentiousness. That art world bullshit, I just can't get into it. It's the same problem that I had with that Netflix movie, Brian, that we saw two years ago. Velvet Buzzsaw. You knew exactly where I'm going to get you. Which one?

I've heard this compared to that more than once. You know what? I just that particular I can't get into that yeah I don't I don't understand and forgive me I'm not trying to to be disrespectful but just like when art people talk about art like it just

it loses me dude that is that's the art world no I mean this with all my heart that is Los Angeles you know what

I even That's the Bay Area, too. I get it. I know some art fucks like that. It's transformational. Starbucks turns into those kind of discussions. Right. Yep.

Well, I felt it, dude. And I got, as they would say, the douche chills from that big time. I went to an art opening with my homie. And he was cool with all this stuff and everything. But the people that were in there talking about their stuff, yes, their art was good. I love good art, and it was good art. But the attitudes they had were like these fucks in this movie.

I remember leaning over to my son. I said, oh, I know some assholes like that. He just laughed. But I was like, oh, my God. I mean, do you have to act that way? But you don't act like an asshole at your art shows. Right. But art is a thing, man.

It's made for fucking everybody. You have your own interpretation of it. It's a first matter. Yeah. It's what that fucking is. It's what it means to you. True. You're wrong and you should look at it like this.

No, it's the attitude. It doesn't match mine. That's a douchebag fucking thing. And that's some hoity, rich art critic bullshit. And it definitely played into this movie. I'm better than you attitude. That's the shit I don't like when it comes to the art world. Yeah, exactly.

the gentrification angle. I knew that was going to come up. When we were watching Candy Man, again. Well, that was in the original. A little bit, a little bit. Yeah, but they were a little more nuanced about it. They were more nuanced about it. And the, oh, man, in the original movie,

they kind of went into where they, quote, unquote, weren't supposed to go to, you know, white girl, all this stuff, right? the new one it definitely got into that that gentrification which is a real problem i mean that's people are getting kicked out of where they live because the rent's getting raised so high that they can't afford to live there anymore and that's that's a real social issue right now and people you know are getting literally forced out of you know where they live for generations but then i'll i'll throw a question out there okay how do how do you make the neighborhood better?

I don't know. That's a good question. I guess you bring Candyman and to kill everybody. I can't imagine that makes it better. Is that a legit question? Yeah. Okay.

Well, when I can talk on that for everybody, I'll tell you, like the one person to really ask like on the real is my wife. Yeah. I mean, she, she is, you know, she's a UCLA professor. This is the shit that she studies. Urban gentrification, urban pacification,

urban self-sufficiency. I mean, this girl lives and breathes it. Did she watch this movie? What's that? Did she watch this movie? She won't. She doesn't like scary movies. When I told her about it.

But you hear enough from her that you can interpret, you know, the facts of what she's telling you from watching the film, right? Yeah, I mean, I honestly think, I told her yesterday she would like it. Just because of the themes, especially the thematic element and gentrification. And she's from Chicago. So, and like, like, when it's my turn, I'll tell you guys about what that area looks like now compared to what it used to look like. Okay.

Well, I was just, like, it just seems like some sort of self-fulfilling project. Like, I don't have the fucking answer to it. But, like, gentrification is obviously a problem, but, like, you start moving nicer businesses and more money into the neighborhood. And suddenly things get more expensive. Yeah. Because the thing that everybody comes up short with is, okay, so now the people you're displaced, where do they go? Also true. And it's like, you know, for example, around the suburbs of Los Angeles, towns like Whittier,

and for one thing, remember how South Central looked in movies like Boys in the Hood and Colors and Menace of Society? It don't look like that now. It don't look like that now. Yeah. There's Starbucks, graffiti. Yeah. Oh, there's no. The corner of Florence and Normandy where the 92 riots happened.

Okay. It's a tourist attraction now. Okay. Yeah. So it's like, but the answer is always, the question is always. the same. It's like where, okay, when these folks get pushed out, where do they get to go? Well,

where do they get to go and how do you make it better for them? Yeah, exactly, because they get, you know, and it's kind of okay, check this out. If you guys haven't watched it, check out the mini series on Amazon Them. Oh, man. Of course I've

seen it, dude. I can't take it, dude. It's, it's too rough for me, man. And that's, I watched it to the end. That's the reality of Los Angeles and how basically that's what's so ironic was when Compton was all white. Right. And, you know, that right there just shows a small chapter and a bigger story. I mean, like, me and Nez can talk forever about we were the first gentrification on this land.

Right. Well, yeah, yeah, literally. But, I mean, going, I mean, going back to Candyman, though, it's like, or basically, Like all these people, like when you see, I'll just throw in real quick. Like he's the, the dude was right. Cabrini Green is a haven for Starbucks, Whole Foods. That's all that's there now. And the only thing left there on that territory is that church.

That church is the only thing left there. And it's like a monument to what used to be there. But like Candyman is just, you know, it's just a fable of all the bad shit that went on in those projects. Right. Like that whole area, basically, that whole area is like a burial ground. Is that where good times was? Yeah. They're in the reds.

No shit. Yeah, okay. If you guys go on your phone. Keeping your hand above water. If you guys go in your phone. They're going the way like they can. Temporary layoffs. Good times.

Easy scheme and rip-offs. Good times. But ain't we lucky we got. bottom. Good times. Developed by Norman Lear. Remember those words. Oh, wow.

A white dude wrote all that. Yep. Yep. Yep. Spinoff from all the family. No, Jefferson's was. This was, I think Good Times was a spinoff of, Happy Day. No. That was more than the verdurelli.

It was a spinoff. It was a spinoff because Florida was somebody's made Okay. I got on an eye. It was a spin-off of Maud. Everything was spinning. Yeah, Maud. That was it.

Yeah. No shit. Florida was Maud's friend. Yeah. You know what? I'd ever watch that one. I watch Go-Times. Okay.

Hey, I got to give a huge shout out right now to my brother Reggie. God bless your soul. Reggie was an Encycloica Thesaurus of Cepedia of TV. shows. I mean, that dude knew the entire... That's what I need. We're fucking everything up tonight. He knew Reggie would tell you all the spinoffs of every show. Oh, that was a spinoff of, you know, this show was this and that? Did you know that? He just knew. I mean, I'll just say, like, movie, TV was one thing. Don't get him started on music.

Like, this dude was just, he was just so knowledgeable. But, like, he knew every, like, he knew who shot J.R. He could tell you that whole storyline. That was a dream, though, wasn't it? No, it was a girlfriend, his little side chick. His, I mean, soap on his, go get him. I won't watch that shit ever. Spoiler away.

You never watch Dallas? Come on. Fuck that shit. My parents lived like down the street. I hated it. I actually never did watch Dallas. That was on TV. And I grew up in Dallas.

Oh, man. Terrible. Terrible. At the old Cowboys Stadium and right in the beginning. Fuck, yeah, I've been there. No offense, but I was rooting for the liver cancer. Oh. For who, Jerry?

To do the play J.R. Oh, man, Larry Hagman? Okay. Rest the peace. Hey, hate on Larry, man. He was banging Jeannie. Yeah, he was. Dick York, Dick Sergeant, Sergeant.

Sergeant. Dick Sargent. What the hell of the name? Hell yeah. Rock you by Pornhub. How far can we go on this one? On the real, man, when you guys get a chance, go on Google and look at the map of Cabrini Green,

and it was so many projects in there. It was like, what's it? It looks like 12 buildings. Right. And they were all named different things. Like you got Camp Ball, 2 Bill, 41 Deuce, the Rock, the Castle, 61 Max, Deuce 1, Bankroll, the Boulevard, the Reds, Hudson Mob. I mean. So this, all this makes Candyman like super real, man.

That's why the original was so hard hitting because it's all real. Yeah. And it's, you think about it, it's dope because it's one of the first. like urban horror movies. Yes. Ironically, no, actually it's the second because if you look at it, the first one was Blackula.

Okay. Coincidentally, those are the two biggest African American movie monsters. Got Blackila and Candyman. Yep. So, I mean, I wanted to do a black version of Friday the 13th and call him Jamal.

Dude. I'm Jason. I like it. You're the one in the film industry out of us, so... I'm not going to go to summer camp, the hell. Yeah, so... Yeah, no, it's a rabbit hole, dude. It's a lot to talk about, man.

No, I... Again, I really enjoyed this movie. I thought it... Again, I think it was incredibly, you know, well-filmed. I don't know. why anybody would say the acting wasn't good? Because I think everybody did their job.

I think that the people that you were supposed to hate, you hated. The people that the one person you were supposed to care for, you knew where he was going. My biggest problem with this movie, again, I can never predict movies. I'm like the dude that sits

next to my wife and she says, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. And I'm looking at her like, how did you see that coming? I saw a lot of stuff coming in this one. And that bothered me a little bit, just because I wanted some real surprises. And I didn't get them.

But everything made sense, you know? I mean, everything in the story made perfect sense to me. So I got no problem with it, man. It was a well-done horror movie. I don't think they was trying to hide anything. I think they was trying to lay out everything in front of you. Yeah, it wasn't like M-night, right? Yeah, you're going in already knowing the mythos behind the Candyman, uh,

behind the story. So it's like nothing was, it was really new, but it was good the way they introduced new things. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it was interesting, though, they had new characters that were, I love the hive mentality, right? And the way they said all these different characters were Candyman.

They went through their own, you know, I guess challenges and bullshit. But I'm going to pass to Mike. Who's next, Philip? Brian or? Let's roll on to Kif. What do you think? Oh, fuck, I loved this movie.

Yeah? I thought, all I saw was a trailer when it first came out. And I was like, when I found out that they were making Candyman, I was like, I thought it was a remake. So I was ready to just, ah, hashtag not my Candyman. Right. And then the trailer came out and I'm like, all right, I'll see. It's got Cadillac in it. from the Get Down.

And he was a dude that was banging the Black Falcon in Black Mirror, if you guys saw that episode. I'm not doing Xbox Live ever again. But with that being said, I mean, I was surprised. I didn't know it was going to be a direct sequel. I thought it was just going to be

a flat-out remake of the, the first film. That's what I thought. So that was a surprise to me. And then the ties in to the original film, I was like, whoa. I mean, I didn't know any of that. All I watched was the trailer and it was just kind of like, okay, this seems like they're going a different direction.

I didn't know it was going to be all that. So that was a surprise for me and I loved it. I thought it was really good ties to it. I really loved the cinematography. not when the special effects were going, but when he was walking around the old Cabrini Greens, when they were in their art studio,

I mean, the way they were filming it all, the shots of Chicago. And in the flashback scenes, when they go to the beginning, when we actually see the buildings, I assume those are CGI. But, I mean, I thought everything was in it. I thought

everyone acted in. It was good. I loved them. The main guy, I'm not even trying to pronounce his name, But he was good. I mean, I was glad that they got him to be the main character in this. The soundtrack, the score, oh, I loved what was going on. The thing that I really loved when we talk about art with a little paperclip cuts of the silhouette. Oh, that was amazing.

I love that type of stuff. Did you watch the after credits? Yeah, we stuck all the way and watched all that. I thought that was awesome. That was a good touch when they were telling the stories and they were using them to show visuals for the story. I thought that was awesome. And just I thought everything about this movie was good. I loved what was going on.

I mean, the whole gentrification story, that's a story that's being told all over and everything. But it was good that they threw it in this because it did tie into the Cabrini Green area. So I thought that was awesome. and I don't know if there's going to be a sequel. I hope there isn't. I think this is perfect with the way it ended. Just leave it along. But I thought it was awesome.

It was a good way to bring this Candyman character to the new generation. Like I had my sons and your granddaughter. I don't know if she had seen the original one. They never seen the original one, so they didn't know about it. And Eric and I are going to watch that original one tonight. And because when things were popping, I was like, that was the chick when they showed Helen. I was like, that's a gal from the first one.

Speaking of her, man, she canceled on Texas Frangerman. A lot of people are pulling out for some reason. But we're getting some new guests. We get the director and we get Malachi and Isaac from Children of the Corn. I can't wait to meet them. I guess it's just me and Patrick. But anyway, I mean, I thought everything in this was really good. It wasn't very long.

So I was like, cool. It's only, what, 91 minutes? So that was fine. It didn't drag. I was interested in everything. I never, like, got bored on what was going on. And I just, the only thing that when I was watching it was making me mad was the kills off screen. But then when, once I, when the movie was over, I was thinking, you know what, that was, I thought that was a good idea not to show.

This is, of course, we've seen all the blood and guts in the other ones, but in this one, they show a little, but it. They don't need to be, it doesn't need to be a big blood bath. So I thought that was really good with a lot of that. The shot I really liked was on that compact. Ness, they didn't back off, though, dude, on the blood. No. That's what I love. And the makeup was fucking top-notch.

Am I right? Yeah, but they didn't, like, they didn't just shove it down on the throat. Yes. It did in the other ones. Just enough, right? I mean, it was bloody and it was gory and everything, but it, they didn't focus on that. They wanted to focus, this is what I took from it. They wanted to focus on the story.

They wanted to focus on the mythos, The Candy Man. So I thought that was really cool. I loved what was going on in this movie. And I seriously was like, do I want to go to the movie theater and see this? But then I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. Let me go see it. And I'm glad I saw this in a theater. I'll definitely

buy this when it comes out. You know what's interesting? Is all the on-screen kills that you saw? Right? We're all white people. All this. I didn't notice it.

All the killings, like when the police beat, when the police, you know, did that to dude. And when, uh, yeah. So, you don't want to get too much away yet. Sorry. But it's, it's like all the on-screen kills were all the white characters. I never noticed that until you just said it. Well, that's fun. All the black people were like scared.

because they knew they knew the legend of Candyman. No, because you know why. You know, you know why. No, I want to know why. Because all across the news, all you see is violence against black folks. You never see it against white people. So finally, we're going to show you some. Okay.

I mean, that's just kind of my take on it. But I thought that was when I was, well, I'll get to mine. Go ahead, and then it's finish up. No, that's it. I mean, I think this movie was awesome. Yeah, I'm pretty sure also there's a lot of violence against white people, too. Let's go. All right.

So, Mike, you went. Brian, you want to go? I actually did not. No, Mike hasn't gone yet. Oh, Mike didn't go. Oh, my bad. Go ahead, Mike. Let's see.

I made some notes here. No. See, my take on, I loved it because. For one is like I knew right off the bat its connection to the first one. I literally got it in the first few minutes as soon as a character's name was said. Then I was like, oh, okay, that's so-and-so. When's the last time you watched the original? Probably about a year ago.

But I've seen it. Okay. Not too long ago then. Yeah, I've seen it a million times. Right. But it was it to me, it was a really good urban hole. story, which is, you know, my genre.

Just and knowing like living after living in Chicago and knowing the story behind Cabrini Green and all that, knowing people that lived there when it was all high feet, it's pretty much like one of the best stories because

all that violence, that real violence that happened in that area, it's like personified in a in a a mythological figure. I thought that was a, that's always been a cool, even with the first one,

that's always been a cool take. They're going to take some, an urban legend and make it into something that was just fucking phenomenal and scary. And for this one to carry on with it, like to finally get, to bring up that hive mentality thing, that was like, that was, to me,

the writing in that to write this story was master, I mean, to take three people to write this story, to me, it was like, it was gold. I loved it. I loved the way the whole film was executed. And just the symbolism behind everything, you know, with the art, you know, trying to be an artist and always being under a microscope. And then also trying to get that recognition from people that basically don't and will not understand you. I go through that all the time with all my film festival rejections.

I mean, even though there's a lot of film festivals that say, we want something new, we want something fresh. They still grab and produce the same old bullshit that we've seen over and over. And I'll stand by that. I'll stand by saying that. Give me a microphone or project it because it's true. You know, like going a little bit about like Native American horror stories, they don't want to see that.

They still want the dances with wolves bullshit. They want the, I'm sorry to say, Sterling. they still want the reservation dog story. That's hell of good. It's that even though that show is good. I really want to watch it. Even though that show is good, we've seen that story before.

Right. We've seen it before. It's like, what else you got? I mean, you ain't never seen anything like, I mean, Mandy, right? Okay. If you take a film like that

and put that up front and make it a native horror story, it's like, you know, or something urban, something that we know about, like the personification of something urban, which is what I do, is I combine traditional horror

and put it into an urban environment. But one thing that this film, you can't really call it a standalone film because it's based on somebody else's source material, but at the same time, it's continuing to tell a story that's ongoing. You know, until everything, to quote Rambo or Rocky,

until everything is all sunshine and rainbows, we're always going to have these stories. You know, there's always going to be, you know, like, you know, you can have Michael Myers, you could have Jason, you could have Freddie, but to us that grew up in the inner city, you know, red and blue lights in your rearview mirror, that's a horror story for us, you know,

for a lot of us that are of color, you know, and the shit that our parents went through. And the one scene early on where, you know, he heard the siren and he jumped behind the building. that right there not only that but if you notice in a scene before that when he heard a quick chirp of a police car he turned around real quick and it's like that right there just shows the shit that people that grow up in the inner city you know the shit they go through that's a warning sign it's kind of like a warning shot oh shit okay i better straighten up you know

i better watch the way i talk i better watch the way i act you know but as far as this film goes it's like that just all that compiled into one character you know and and if you look at it like candyman was he even the central character or was he just the shadow that loomed over everything like he says in his question you know i'm just always there i'm the shadow on the wall i'm the whisper in the classroom i mean he's basically you know yeah i'm the thing under the bed you know that's and that's pretty much like the terror that looms every day over people that live in those areas, you know, in the ungentrified neighborhoods, that's the shadow that looms, the unknowing of what's going to happen when I step out, you know, to go to the store or go

pick up my kids or even what's going to happen to my kids if they walk out the house. So it's like, what I got from it was also is the people that they moved into the area nobody was telling them this this story of Candyman. It was all the people that lived there, like the one dude that worked in the laundry place, he was still holding it down. And he was the one that told the story because the character, the main guy,

he didn't know about it. And then he was the one that told him. And then that's when he got all interested in what was going on. So I think, I mean, a lot of stuff like that, in the neighborhoods that I grew up in, there's always stories of something. but I mean I don't know if those stories are still being told now

because of gentrification because of how it was when I was growing up and how it is now nobody knows those stories and that's why not to interrupt me I'm sorry man that's why Candyman only went back to the one character that was

the painter right because that's that's as far back as we remember that's as far back as the story went but that shadow has been there way before that you know? Because when did the actual Candyman story start with, I mean, within the film? I mean, was it in the 1800s or?

Yeah, it was a turn of the century. Like, yeah, late 1800s after the Civil War. Yeah. So you know some brutal shit went on before that. Yeah. It's like what he said in the film. Like, they don't like us. They like what we make.

Make what we create. Yeah. we create, but they don't, you know, and it was, I mean, as far as, like, the acting goes, it was, to me, it was top-notch because it was a lot of, like, to me, one of the scenes I really liked is when he said his name and his, you know, the mom was like, you know, we don't do that. Did you, we don't bring that up. Yeah, it's like, that scene, that scene right there. remind me of old native stories and tales of when what we were growing up and we're hearing about.

They're going to grow up and tell us this story, but then like, you know what, we're going to just give it to you as a warning, like a Candyman type of thing. Don't ever say whatever we're talking about. I mean, and it goes into some stories, like, okay, we're going to tell you guys, but those are our stories. Don't tell anyone else because there's a lot of things that Mike and I that we know that we can't say to anyone. So I love that. That's why she was like, nope, don't say his name. I mean, I've been through that before when I was much younger.

We were like, hey, I remember that one thing you told me? They're like, whoop, don't talk about it. That scene took me back to that in my life. All they say to us is like, hey, what about me? You're done. That's it. You get cut off quick. You don't talk about it.

Because, yeah, I mean, me, like, me and Nez know some shit. We've heard shit. We've seen shit. that we can never reveal. Now, as far as, like, other stuff, you know, it's like, yeah, we'll talk the hell out of it, but, you know, there's some things that we just can't, we can't talk. And then, like, that scene right there, it's all about masterful storytelling in a film. You know, it shows more impact when a character can tell the story in a film,

and you don't see anything. that right there is masterful filmmaking. And, like, it was very cool. I agree. It was very cool. Uh-oh. You guys there? Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It was very cool that they used those shadow puppets. That right there was just, that was beautiful. Well, there was a short film that came out way before this movie did. And I don't know.

the timeline because obviously this was film way before COVID and everything but I actually saw the short film where it was about police brutality and stuff. Have you all seen that? Regarding this? Yes, no, it was this particular filmmaker, this particular director.

She did a short film using puppets that had to do with police brutality and I saw it at least two years ago. And I saw that recreated it this movie, but a little bit, you know, higher budget or whatever.

Mm-hmm. So I don't know where that all fits together, but I do remember that. Yeah, she, she, that's an old, that's how slaves used to tell stories. Is using, they used to make cutouts. I didn't know that. Yeah, and they'd use it by, they'd tell stories by, it's called, um, I think it's called lantern lore. Okay.

Yeah, where they would tell shadow stories using, using, um, using those cut out puppets. But, like, what I thought was cool was when, when her brother was telling the story. And he made it seem like, you know, it's like he told a part of the story, but then Coleman Domingo told the rest of it. Like the real, like the, he basically,

a dude told the Cliff Notes version of, the movie. Coleman Domingo told the real version of the last movie we saw. And he kept it going. He kept it going. But what's interesting about the whole thing, too, a lot of people don't realize, and you've got to give it up, is Clive Barker originally wrote the story. And there was a character they referred to that died named Clive in this movie.

Yeah, I caught that. Yeah. Speaking to him, it's from one of his short stories from Books of Blood. Yeah. Did he, yeah, did he, just take the idea from a story that he heard? I want to go back and re-read that

or is this a character that he made up. I want to go back and reread it. I really do because I have not read books of blood since high school. Yeah, Rodhead Rex is in that one too. Ugh. Well, you got Penhead too. I mean, he refers to pinhead back then too.

Okay, so... So just real quick, it says, The Forbidden is a short story by Clive Barker that inspired the movie Candyman. It is a story about urban legends come to life of how a downtrodden community protects their own. Any of that are familiar with Barker's writing knows that he has a way of creating a setting. Okay. So it's based off of something that he'd heard about. It looks more like the character, the sketch in the story looks more like something like a Bigfoot Babadook.

thing with a bunch of bees around it. Okay. And is it just my imagination or was Tony Todd in the movie that was called Urban Legend? He was. So we're going full certain here. I like that movie. We met him. It was cheesy, man, but it was

good. Yeah, Tony Todd's a doubt. Seems like a down-earth guy. Had the Joker in it. Oh, Heath Ledger? No. What's his name? The new Joker. No.

Oh, Joaquin Phoenix? Oh, Jared Lito. No, Jerry Lino. 30 seconds of Mars is the joke. I'm basically going to hit the right. I just watched the... There's a lot of jokes. Yeah, right, Phil.

Okay, so real quick, all right. So, Nez mentioned the music. I agree. Oh, I love the fucking score. I loved it. One of my favorite selections, and I'm going to YouTube it later and see if I can get it, is when he's at the art critics house. He's looking in the mirror.

Yeah. Because they snuck in like those Dembay drums and that chanting. I thought that was beast. I mean, that whole, that whole movie was just a really good chapter in the Candyman story. And if they do another one, hey, man, I hope it's, I hope they take their time with it. because this new era of African American horror storytelling is really thought-provoking.

I mean, I like us. I thought that was a very creative film. And Get Out was cool. I liked it, but it kind of had elements of skeleton key. The skeleton key was fucking horrible. That was garbage. Garbage. Garbage.

But it's, I mean, with this new generation of kids, I think every kid, like, every, I mean, Ness is going to lose it here, but every, every generation of urban kid knows about it the clown. They know about it. You're talking about Tim Curry? Yeah, and Chuckie Bride. They all know about, I'm saying that because when I was a teacher and I talked in a lot of inner-stitial. schools like the kids the the kids of color never called it it they always called it the clown oh y'all see it the clown and then uh and the bride of chucky the bride of chucky was always chucky bride hey y'all see chucky bride okay so that's and it's just like every those kids know even their kids like the kids

i used to teach that have kids now even their kids know about the tim curry it they know about child's play So it's like a lot of kids that I know still know about Candyman before this one. You know, and I think it's kind of like a lore of horror movies, you know, of like they all know who Michael Myers is. They all know who Jason is.

And it's not because of the new remakes, it's because of the films that they knew in the 70s. You know, like every kid knows Night of the Living Dead. Oh, that's that black and white. Yeah, that's right. They're coming to get you, Barbara. Yeah, everybody,

knows about the Shining. Right. Everybody knows about, you know, about the omen, you know, the exorcist. You know, all kids, of all age, all cultures, they know

horror movies like that. It's the lore. You know, like comic books. It's, if you know the storylines, you know what branches off. And I think this is a great entry into that, into the horror movie genre, into the horror genre, because it's introducing a whole new generation

to this story that maybe down the line, another kid growing up is going to write another chapter to it. And we had kids on the show tonight, three of them. Yeah, three, three young people of different ages that were introduced to it that liked it. I really wanted to know what Brian thought about all this. The movie was stupid. No, I enjoyed it.

I honestly, when I came into the movie, I thought it was going to be a remake, but I was pleasantly surprised. Yes, I did, Lance. Again, again, there were some stuff that I saw coming that I wish I hadn't. Okay. I like that they, I think they took the mythos of Candyman and kind of added to it and made its own thing. I even liked the thing with, what was her name?

Helen. Right. I like how that's an urban legend now. Yeah. I like the little touches how they're telling the story of Helen, and it's not quite correct because it's probably been told so many times it's been added to. Yeah. I thought that too, like the telephone game type of thing, right?

I thought the acting was great. Except for Tiana Paris, I think that's her name. I'm not quite sold on her. She's from Wanda Vision. she's just kind of oh yeah she's kind of okay there no isn't it yeah I just I don't know

I just I don't know I just wasn't I thought everybody else was great though Coleman Domingo kind of stole it for me with his performance in it I wish he would get recognized more than Fear the Walking Dead the direction was great I see why she was snatched up by Marvel to produce or direct a movie I like the visuals

the the score was amazing and I think the message was was there and they kind of didn't throw it at you like Black Christmas did I think

I think it was I think this is the way you do it if you're going to have a message in her movie so yeah great movie Men are Evil, Black Christmas. Yeah. I did not get a chance to watch this movie. I just got home from work right before we started this podcast.

But all the stuff that I've read and I've seen some pretty heavy spoiler junk, said that it was real heavy-handed with the social message. I don't think so. Yeah, it's weird. I've read a lot of comments and it kind of sounds like people, the people that are making these comments didn't watch the first movie? Well, yeah, because there was

definitely some social stuff in the first movie and it was pretty nuanced. I mean, if it wasn't this one, too, cool. Very nuanced, yeah. I actually was really excited for this movie. I mean, for, you know, when it got delayed and stuff, I sort of got

burned out on it, the same way I did Black Widow. But, uh... Right. Like, everything from the trailer looks like, it was really beautifully shot or beautifully edited one or the other.

And they've got a great cast. So, I mean, I'm down. But didn't get a chance to watch it. So there's that. Watch all the way through the end credits, too.

Oh, there's like an average. Yeah, with all the animation. Yeah, it was. Yeah. My granddaughter and I said they were kind of like riveted all the way to the end of the credits.

And you don't get that all the time. Because normally just the movie ends and then you got, you know, credits. And then if you're lucky, you stick around and stick around and get a end credit scene. But this one kept the animation going throughout the entire credits. Like the credits would roll on the right and the animation was on the left and it was beautiful. Did you got to see the end credit scene for Boogie Man? Fuck you, Brian. There was one.

serious one? I don't even want to know. I don't give a fuck. The credit started rolling on that, and I was like, thank you. I'm out, out, out! Was there a lot of people in your theater? Me? Anyone?

I had three assholes in one family. There was six of us, and everyone was quiet. Yeah. No, dude, I was in a super respectful, maybe a dozen people, and everybody was super quiet, man. So it was a very respectful group of people in the theater. People are learning how to watch movies again. Yeah, no shit.

This is what... I had ten. There was ten of us and we were all spaced apart. Yeah, it was a great experience, man. I definitely enjoyed. Actually, I had people wearing masks through the movie, which for Texas is almost unheard of. but the granddaughter and I

people are wearing masks again I've said it before and I'll say it again I'm done with the mask unless I'm pretty much done with a mask I mean we'll see I'll get sick again and they'll feel like a dumb ass but we'll see

I have to because I'm immune what's that immunocompromised well yeah that makes sense yeah I definitely get it in that situation I'm fucking Lance, you're not going to get sick. You've already had it and you had the vaccine. I don't want to be the pox sucker

that passes it on to somebody else either. My friend got it twice. Man. Buddy of mine got it twice and he's vaccinated. Yeah. And it does happen. It does happen.

How much of a vaccine? All right. What's that stuff that everybody's taking now that's killing of that dewormer pill? Yeah, stupid. Animal dewormer. It's a product that you can get it at like feeding stores. If you're like farm animals have like worms or something like stupid, dude, I don't know how this started.

I don't know. I don't know. It's up there with the inject yourself a bleach bullshit. It's fucking stupid. It's up there with the crate challenge. Yeah, it's the crate challenge people. The crate challenge might be the greatest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, it is.

I can watch those videos over and over. It is pretty entertaining. Wait until you see the action figure picture that I'm going to do that was born from that. Uh-oh. You hoar returns guys will get a big kick out of it. All right. We're down. Scores.

Hospitals, man. Lance, you went first. Oh, did I go first? Yeah. I don't know, man. This is, again, there's some shit that I wish I, fuck, I wish there was a little bit more nuance on some of the things from the first movie. Maybe it would have been better for me not to see the first movie right before,

but then again, it is the same story, so you kind of have to. I almost want to give it an eight, especially with the beauty of the score and the music, and the cinematography is just fucking amazing. But I'm going to go seven and a half, and I'm going to say probably not top 10 of the year, but probably going to be an honorable mention. All right. Kevin? Ten. This movie was hell of good. Damn, dude.

Yeah. All right. You have to reserve those tens, bro. This was hell of good. I loved it. And I was ready to go in there to hate it, too. That's how. Why?

It sounds like a movie that you would shit on. I thought it was going to be a remake. See, I didn't know. It could be a nine for me. I didn't know it was going to be a direct sequel. I just thought it was going to be another telling of Candyman. Right. For this new generation of horror fans.

I just thought it was going to be that. That's why I didn't read into anything. I just went and seen it, and I was blown away. And that was the big shocker to me to find out that this was a direct sequel. And then I was like, all right, I'm on board. And as the movie went on and on, I was like, man, dude, this movie's hell of good. And I loved it. And I was the first thing as soon as I walked out of theater, I text Mike.

Man, that shit was hell of good. Yeah, this is a 10. That's the first thing I texted you as soon as I was done watching it. Yeah? Yeah, I was like, candy. I say candy man is badass. All right. Is it a 10?

Yeah, I'm all in on that. Damn. Yeah, I'm putting so much forward on that. All right. Phillip, you mess out, man. I guess so. I'm going to watch this one. You got to watch Boogie Man first.

No, I watch Boogie Man 2 and 3. I'm not watching that shit again. Just for you guys, when I get my biggest budget, I'm going to remake Boogie Man and tie it into Candyman. All right. And it's going to be set in Louisiana

because you guys want Louisiana horror. We can all meet there and film it. That's right. Was it a serpent in the Rainbow in Louisiana or was that somewhere else? 80. Oh, okay.

I haven't seen that in a while. That's a good film. It's when the president got that railroad spike in his balls. The West Craven films, actually. Rest of peace. Brian, what do you think? I thought the acting was great. Cinematography was great.

I can tell Nia Dacobes. Nita Costa. Is that her name? Yeah. I could tell she had some influences from Jordan Peel with some of the shots I've seen in the movie. Yes. Some, the practicals we got were good. I did have one small problem, and we'll get to that in spoilers, but this is an easy nine for me.

Damn. Very much. Okay. Okay. Let's go spoiler. territory. Well, before you know that, I got to go.

All right. But yeah, yeah, everyone, this movie's fucking awesome. Check out, I passed out when I got home last night, Brian. Sorry. I know, I know.

So did I. We got a THR position, Street Fiends coming, another action returns, and wrestling returns, not until, what, next month? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so, but yeah, we got all that and more. So definitely check. out those and everyone that has listened to all three of those shows. Thank you. You guys rock. And definitely check out our bonus episode. Eye Without a Face.

Shout out to Gravitus Adventures and can't remember your name. The gal that was a cinematographer. She retweeted and reached out to us. So right on, thank you so much. All right, everyone, I'm out of here. So until the next time, party on. All right, nice. Later, bro.

Thanks. Later on. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned

can I just get to my one problem yeah please we didn't get Tony Todd until the very very end yeah and it was it was CGI Daged Tony Todd because I mean

if he's if he's a spirit he wouldn't have aged man you're digging in too many details with that. I feel like Tony Todd could have played Candyman again. Why not? I mean, technically he was. He was Candy Man because there was Candy Men.

Which I would have loved to see the, I mean, we got the very awesome, like, the paper puppet effects telling the stories. But I would have liked to see the actual stories of these other Candyman. man. Maybe that's what's coming. Maybe that's what's coming. Because you think about it, it introduced those. Well, one of them you know for sure is that young man that they lynched and dragged.

Yes. Yeah, that was here in Texas, man. Yeah, that one. And then, yeah, there was a couple others. I mean, if you feel like, I think what they were alluding to is like Candyman is George Floyd, Tamir Rice, Trayvon, you know, Martin is like, you know, all those all those victims of violence.

And I like the effects of when our main, I guess, Candyman, Anthony McCoy, when he's walking, when he becomes Candyman at the end, and he's walking past the reflections, you see the reflections of the other Candyman? Yeah, of course. I thought that was a great shot. When they were, went around the car.

Yeah. Tops were in. Yep. Yeah. Since we're going to do spoilers, I really love the way they set up that end shot where she said, let me look in the mirror. And she said, Candyman. But I only heard her say it four times. Did she say it five times?

The cop said it. Ah. Does that count? There you go. See, I missed that. Now, that's genius, the fact that the cop said the fifth time. So basically, if you look at it, like he's. He said it the fifth time, so she wasn't responsible for it.

Okay. All right. That's why he couldn't come after her because she didn't say it. She didn't, like, fully summon him if you think about it. You know, the cop was a creator of his own demise. Holy shit, dude. Okay, so Philip, so you get the dirty cops in there toward the end? Of course.

As you've seen in so many movies, right? and I didn't even think about that because I only heard her say Candyman four times and I'm like, why did he show up? And you're saying that the cop looked in the mirror and said it the fifth time, right? Yeah, because he was like, why are you saying that? Who's candy man?

And then she just okay. She just looked at him like, okay, well, you said it. Yeah. That sort of seems like the Uh, what's up dog joke. What's up dog joke?

From the office. I've never seen the office. What? Whoa. Oh, man. So that's some good up dog right there. What's up dog? Oh, nothing much.

What's up with you? So you're going to have somebody else say the last time, right? Dan, there you go. Okay. All right. I didn't catch that. Yeah, because when, um, because even like when those girls did in the bathroom and that the Asian chick took off. Yes, yes, yes.

Then like she would, then the other ones that continue. And then also, uh, you know, did you guys catch when, um, when Anthony McCoy said it the first time in the reflection in the window when he got up and left the room that he would, that candy man was in the, in the mirror or in the window? Yeah, in the back, in the background. I caught that really cool. I saw that. I saw that. Mirror stuff is always cool. Yeah.

And I love the beginning of the movie when they were showing the credits and everything was backwards. And I was, I almost went up to the, the, uh, so did I. There's a problem here. Oh, my God. Yeah. I kind of was like, okay, this is cool, you know, because the mirror. Well, I figured that the first time, but then when they got to the second and third one, and it's like, okay, they're still backwards.

And I started looking behind me at the projector. And I'm like, okay, something's fucked up here. I need to go, I need to go talk to a manager. Yeah. I just recently found out that that Braun Creative is LeBron James. his film company. No. Are you serious?

Yeah. That says it wasn't. No, it is. Okay. Well, they have a lot of movies out. To me, it just felt like something like Eastern European. I felt like Braun.

Like, there is a movie called Braun, right? It's like some Eastern European guy that's a superhero or something like that? I do not know. You say so. I have to start Googling now. Yeah, it was a good flick, man.

All right. Oh, we don't have too much to spoil. Philip, you know. Yeah, just that Tony Todd wasn't in the goddamn movie. He was for 30 seconds. Yeah, that doesn't count. Kind of doesn't count. The best guy in the fucking movie.

Come on. Yeah, that disappointed me. I really wanted to see him sooner. And I kept thinking, has Tony Todd shown up? I just haven't noticed it, but, uh, eh, it is what it is. I guess we've covered everything. We're like two and a half hours, almost three hours in here. You guys ready?

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. All right. We got to have some more stuff coming up. Mike, uh, appreciate to joining us, man. All right. Thanks for having me on.

It's always an honor and a pleasure to chat with you brothers. Yeah. Thanks for coming, man. Have you guys have I showed you Cinema Red Chapter 2 yet? Not yet. Okay, I will shoot that. I will shoot a Google link over to you guys tonight. All right, cool.

Yeah, man. I'll definitely watch that. All right. Philip, I don't have your email. If you want to message me your email, then I can shoot you. Yeah, I'll send it over. Cool. All right, well, I'm going to try to talk the wife into watching this next movie. with me since we're starting our vacation next weekend and she's already griping Brian about

when you're going to record. So we got to figure it out. But next week it's going to be single room setting horror movies with a brand new we need to do something and also green room. So Philip, until the horror returns again, good night.