The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #281 - Halloween (1978) Commentary

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

Welcome to our first ever THR Halloween party! Joining us this week are Vanessa McEnery from The VD Clinic Podcast, Pedro Nunez from Kayfabulous Lucha Brothers, Bede and Marcey from Super Network, and for the first time ever, Steven T. Boltz from The Knack Theatre. We all get together and watch Halloween, and of course talk throughout the entire film! Cool of the Week includes Mexican Gothic, Squid Game, El Vampiro, Psycho Goreman, Midnight Mass, and The Walking Dead. We want to give everybody a very special Thank You for joining the party. Thanks for listening, and don't forget to visit us at www.thehorrorreturns!  

Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers

and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, one and all to the horror returns. I'm Lance and with me as always.

My co-host, Brian and Philip, Nase should show up later. How's it going, guys? Oh, hold on. Oh, yeah, geez. Hold on. Is that the police? What the fuck is that?

I think so. Brian, did you stash that shit away? Are we good? Can I answer the door or not, Brian? Open it. All right. Let's see who's here. Go away.

Let's see. Who could this be? Let's see who's at the door? Holy shit! That's today? Oh, my God. Well, fuck, guys. Come on in.

Well, it's our first annual Halloween watching party, and our guests have arrived. Who all's here from the VD Clinic podcast? I think it's Vanessa McKinnery. Are you there? That would be me. Hey. And from the KFAC.

With no STI's. That helps. From the K Fabulous Lucha Brothers and our very first ever THR guest, it's Pedro Nunez himself. What's up, man? Lance, if we were going to do a bit with this entire intro, you should hit us up to it. I'm over here thinking somebody was actually knocking out of your door. But, yeah, Tom here, what's up? How was this?

Super aggressive knock, too. I think it was Marcy. I think that was Marcy's knock, because from the land down under, it's our friends from the Super Network. Bein Marcy, hello. Hello, hello. We are back. We're here.

I actually made it this time. Indeed. And I see you. I see you guys brought along a friend from Australia. A new friend to the show. A big shot at the NAC theater. Yes, that's right. Get the NAC.

It's Stephen T. Bulls. What's up, man? Hey, man. How are you? How are you going? Glad to have you. All right. Well, Brian, we hope you cooked up enough edibles.

Candy for everyone. Are we good? Yep. All right. Tonight we are going to check out the John Carpenter Classic Halloween and lend our commentaries. But we're going to skip most of our regular segments of this thing would be seven fucking hour. This would be a bench cast times 12. Nonetheless, we still got to ask everyone, what is your cool of the week?

Vanessa, what's the coolest thing you've seen this week? Seen? Well, I went to the theater. You know. Okay. You know me. You know me. because I've got my nose in a book

as well as movies, but even though I saw something really cool this week, it might be someone else's. But what I started rereading, and I'm reading it for our, this month's episode of my podcast, is Mexican Gothic by Sylvia Moreno Garcia. Oh, amazing,

amazing gothic. like kind of ghost supernatural story and set in Mexico kind of post-revolutionary time period. And yeah, it's, it's, yeah. Mexico has a lot of really cool ghost stories that we haven't really tapped into yet. That's something we're exploring in this month's episode. Cool. Yeah, people, we have more to offer than La Yorona, right? So do you read.

Yeah. There's a lot there for us to. Munch on. Yeah, well, and we're, and we're, we're pairing it with devil's backbone for, to, like I said, Latinx kind of ghost story type thing, yeah. Very good. That sounds like that'll work. Pedro, what's your cool of the wait, man?

Well, other than enjoying my dodgers being on the Cardinals and seeing Patrick Lear's reaction over a messenger, because I was giving him a hard time. And that's probably the reason why he's not here today because he didn't want to listen to me, bust his balls over it. I expect that a squid game. You know, everybody's talking about it. That's the big, you know,

the big uproar in the internet community as far as the horror genre and whatnot. So it's a pretty cool, you know. So the people that haven't checked it out, not getting to spoilers, it's definitely engaging. And I see why it got all that hype, but it's really a good show.

Nice. All right. South Korea is on top of it right now. Yep. We've heard a lot about that. Marcy, what's your cool of the week? Well, speaking of horror from Mexico, just saying, part of my 31 days of horror, I watched El Vampiro, which is Mexican Dracula from the 50s, and I really enjoyed it.

It was hard to find the film. in, you know, with subtitles so I could, you know, understand it. But it was worth it. I really enjoyed it. It was a very interesting atmospheric little film. So if people can track it down, do so. It's worth the watch. Beed?

For me, I'll definitely say without a doubt my call of the week is Psycho Gorbit, which is a lot of fun. And it's very rare for a movie to make me laugh out loud, like legit, laugh out loud a lot. And this film managed to do that a whole bunch of times. Well, it's just basically, is a very violent, gory but hilarious, like, Power Rangers episode. And that's what makes a lot of fun. You act like life is so serious, but we laugh all the time on our podcast. Come on. Yeah, but I'm talking about the movies themselves, Vassie.

Real life's a very funny thing. Look, I know Tooby doesn't have that greater selection, but we laugh a lot, come on. Indeed. We do laugh a lot, too, me. Exactly, exactly. But yeah, that's definitely why cool the week of all the films. I've watched this past week. Late to the party, but we'll take it. What about you, Steve? I can't believe I'm going to be this guy, but Vanessa actually took mine. I just finished really. Mexican Gothic. Yeah. Yeah.

Really? I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Yeah, totally loved it. It was like Edgar Ellen Poe meets, you know, Garcia-Marquez. It was fantastic. Really, really cool. Yeah, just didn't know what to expect going in.

Totally did not expect where it went at the end. Yeah, it was very, very good. And you're absolutely right, Vanessa. It was fantastic. Damn, man. to read that one. That's cool. My second read this year. It's on my list.

It was voted Goodread's best horror book of last year. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'm reading the Witcher stuff right now. I'm trying to get into it. We'll see how it. Lance, Lance, I'm not trying to shame you about the reading,

even though. Read. Don't they have like a video game or something? I did reread the stand this year. So, Stephen, I'm kind of surprised the new Stan miniseries wasn't your cool of the week. Re-watching it. Oh, yeah.

Get me started. Don't get me. If you want to hear all about that, you can listen to our episode of the King's I don't understand, which Lance happens with Bia on. Yes, and you can also hear about all the hatred for 2020's Harold Lauder, because fuck that guy.

The best character. All right. Well, Brian, Philip, you guys want to jump in, or should we get on to the movie? The only thing I've been watching outside of 31 is a squid game. And I'm halfway through and I'm waiting on it to get good. You're waiting on. Oh, oh. How long how did I expected?

The first episode sucked me in, but the next, I'm next three. I'm just kind of like, eh. I don't know, I'm part. It had me pretty much the whole time. Mine, I started watching

Midnight Mass, and that's kind of the one that I'm waiting on to get good. Oh, come on. Right through my heart over here. Now, it's got some good stuff. It did kind of suck me in,

but like the, I don't know, the editing is, like, purpose for, cheaper, but it's... It's a very talky show, though. It is very talky, and for people that are not mentally prepared for that,

that could be an issue. I understand that completely. I loved it. I loved everything about that show. It's just there's something that doesn't have the same look that, like, House on Hunter Hill had. It looks cheaper and older for some reason. But, you know,

it's definitely a slow burn, but I'm getting to the part to where I think things are going to start kicking into gear. Okay. Have you made it to the third episode yet? Yeah, I think I'm on episode four, and it's, it's sucking me back in. It was just those first two or three, I was like, oh, man, come on, we've got to do something here. All right.

I think the entire purpose of the show is revealed, like, at episode four or something like that, you know, so, yeah, hang in there. I think you get a good payoff. Yeah, that's where I'm like, and I'm like, okay, all right, I get, I get it. I like this. Yeah, I'm loving it so far, and I'm tempted to say that that's my cooler of the week, and that that's actually going to pass up the new Stan series, Stephen. My favorite show, but for our good buddy, Stephen Loblad, I've got to throw some love. He was right.

I'm not mad at the new season of The Walking Dead, and everybody's going to laugh at me now. I'm actually kind of enjoying season 11 because they got back to what made the show good, which is fucking zombies. Zombies. Yeah. They got away from the human drama as much, and they're a lot more into the zombies. So I guess that's going to be back.

I hear that like once a year. Oh, it got back to the zombies, and then it goes right back to the bullshit. It's like American horror story. It's the same shit, right? Like American horror story, everybody, you know,

blast below it in the first three, four, and then all of a sudden, and no guys from there. And it's like, you know, let's be consistent here. you know but if you guys if you guys are vouching for season 11 i might jump back in because i've been i mean i've seen the entire show i'm just not a you know right fan anymore so i do catch up to it just to be like a completest i mean that shows man you're like me man you're like me i can't not

watch it it's like it's like you're in an abusive relationship you know you keep thinking oh no you know yeah yeah you said it was going to be better this time yeah you promised you didn't do that again And they give us enough to think that, right? They give us like an episode or two where it's like, oh, here we go. I'm all in again. You know, go. Needing again, boom, boom, boom. And then right, right back to the bullshit.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. That's a good analogy, the abusive relationship. But we'll see. I'm going to give season it. But now with this show, I like to wait for it to it's over. And then I'll just kind of like binge watch it, you know, on a couple days or whatever. Because I ain't going to do a week to week.

shit on that one anymore. I'm done. That's the way to do it. I think you got the right idea, man. All right. All right. Philip, I think it's your turn, man. All right. Well, before we get into the show, just a quick reminder, even though we're like 30 minutes into it now, you can find all our links and everything, The Horror Returns, at our brand new website, thehorrorreturns.com. Got that one.

Fuck yeah. not only will you be able to download a few clicks and uh well that's probably not what that meant to say but coming to an online store for all your horror returns need uh we are really excited to be able to finally have one one stop for anything and everything from the fantastic uh from the oh i see i'm missing half my fucking thing here i'm sorry guys just swing it you say you say it every week though I know. Well, not that part, but definitely to check out the website. That's new. I'm getting into it. It's going to take me about 25 more times before I can get through it without stumbling. And then it'll change again. Yeah, there you go. The YouTube channel will open up, but you've got to remember that all that stuff as well.

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Tonight, though, we're going to check out Halloween. the OG and talk over it, so that ought to be fun. They're all full of monkeys. I was going to say, if anybody listened to our shocker commentary with the great Garrett Collins, they know that these things could get out of control real fast, but that's what makes this awesome. All right, well, Halloween trivia. The year is 1963.

The night is Halloween. Police are called the 43 Lampkin Lane, only to discover that 15-year-old Judith Myers has been stabbed to death by her six-year-old brother Michael. After being institutionalized for 15 years, Myers breaks out on the night before Halloween. No one knows nor wants to find out what will happen on October 31, 1978. Besides Myers' psychiatrist, Dr. Loomis, he knows Michael is coming back to Haddonfield, but by the time the town realizes, it'll be too late. and you guys

movies about directors John Carpenter writer John Carpenter and Deborah Hill from a budget of $300,000 the film went on to gross $47 million at the box office of the U.S.

In 2008 takings that would be the equivalent of $150 million making Halloween one of the most successful independent films of all time. Damn. Then why is John Carpenter always goddamn moody and cranky then.

That doesn't like a bit of coin in his pocket. Because you're interrupting his video game time. He's like, just give me my check, go redo my movies, and let me watch my basketball and play my video games. That's his whole model now. Exactly. Who knows why mad men do what they do? Valid point.

John Carpenter approached Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee to play the role of Sam Loomis, but both turned him down due to the low pay. Lee later said it was the biggest mistake he'd ever made in his career. And not the Howling 2 or Police Academy Center. All right. So I think we're at the one second mark or three second mark. I've got one second on my copy. I'm at one second.

All right, let's start on the one second. And for those of you who have three, just hang on a second. All right, one second. Ready? Three, two, one, go. That sounds right. Can you guys hear it? Yep. Yeah.

You guys hear the music? Dark foreboding music? Yes. Just started. Oh, yeah. Makes sense. This is Halloween. All right.

After the long pause of silence, while you guys watch the credits. Oh, no one was talking. I was waiting for some with the chib in. Oh, Donald Pleasance is the main star, huh? Yeah. Well, yeah. He was the biggest name at that time when, I mean, out of the cast here.

Mm-hmm. Well, that's what he got instead of pay. Oh, right. Right. And really, Jamie Lee Curtis, she hadn't done much at this point. Well, this was her very first film. Introducing. Introducing.

Yeah. Yeah. And the real, and the reason why she was cast, though, because, you know, her mom was Janet Lee, who was the lead in Psycho, and that's one of the reasons why Carpenter picked her for the role. That certainly helps. Yeah. Don't mind me, I'm just grooving out to the score.

Well, true story, right? So someone who's in this movie might actually be the reason that Bede and I actually ever met Steve. So, go, you've got to figure it out now. Oh, yes. Yes, indeed. Yeah. They were in Melbourne, and we were all at the same event. Indeed.

Geeking out like nerds. Was it cool, was it cool, lesbian? Tommy Wallace. It was the ghost of Donald Pleasants, but it was the Donald Pleasance that was in the Australian Osploitation film, Barry McKenzie as a vampire. Oh, my idea. So if you think Donald Pleasence, like,

didn't care about not getting paid much for this movie, he was in that movie as a weird vampire thing. That is true. And you can hear our episodes with our thoughts on that over at the Osloidcast, over at the Super Network. I love this. Like, you see the couple here, right? And time it.

When they go upstairs by the time Michael gets around the back of the house, this dude's leaving. So basically he's a one-second one-second one. Well, it's... Oh, man, you know... I think your copy is a little faster than the rest of ours. I mean, or some of ours, at least. But, yeah, no, he is awfully quick. That's going to happen.

I was worried that was going to happen because the Australian disks move faster than he... to us. That's why I'm watching it on. I'm sorry, though. I interrupted you. What were you going to say there? I'm sorry. No, but you are absolutely correct because I have always had the thought of he seemingly

takes a certain amount of, like, of his clothing off. Right. And then all of, and then he seems to put at least a little bit of effort into it. Not a lot. Don't get me wrong. And he obviously doesn't last long. But then he has to. get redressed. He does

all of that very quickly. And even the I'm just talking logistics of the clothes. As a former costumer, it bothers me. Was it even worth the effort, you know? Right.

You're eight hours. It's real fast when somebody's coming into the house. Sometimes you got to do it. Yeah, but you don't need all your clothes off for that. Come on. But I'm saying you have to remove at least. You have have to have at least a certain amount of access. That's all I'm saying.

Well, he is a teenage driver, I believe. That's why you guys for one second. Yep. So this house here, the Myrits house, it's probably about two blocks away from my house. So I see this house all the time. And right now, it's so many tourists, you know, taking their pictures and stuff.

And they have a museum right behind this house. they actually moved the house to another location and it's a hell of a visual every year around this time that that street is so packed with people that it makes it impossible for me to get home from work you know and I'm like, get the fuck out of my way I'm tired, I'm tired, I just want to go home

and see all the people taking pictures and I'm seeing like 10 Michael Myers walking up and down the street I'm like, all right. Oh wow, that was great. I should also state that who plays Michael Myers' hands in these scenes is actually a co-writer-producer Deborah Hill. She's the one who plays Michael in these scenes. Although I find it weird, though, because it's like it's meant to be Michael as, you know, a six-year-old kid,

but the way how this opening one-track shot has done, it looks like Michael's way taller than he wouldn't. I was going to say that. I was just going to say that. Not necessarily an adult, but at least a teenager. Yeah. That's how it feels. It doesn't feel so short. No, like a middle schooler maybe.

But I guess it's meant to be because, you know, the films, when it's, when you find that, oh, it's actually a six-year-old kid, it's meant to be shot. So this is meant to be, it's meant to be deliberate and how it's sort of shocking. But this is, despite the errors. of that dude, getting undressed and whatever. It's actually such an effective way to open the film from that POV shot and the way it's done and this reveal, the kid in the clown costume. Like, it's just tremendous.

Oh, no. My guess is that guy didn't even get his pants off. The thing about this movie is that it has so much style. It's like it really is cinema at its core because people think about this as just a straight horror movie, but there's such a visual style going on here. Oh, no. A lot of the stories being told through the visual spectrum,

and that's what makes this movie amazing to me. 100%, yeah. There's one question that's, you know, the whole Halloween series has never even asked, whatever did happen to Michael's parents. They kind of just vanish after this movie. Didn't you watch the Rob Zombie remake? The mom was a stripper.

Oh, that is true. I know that. It's ODED. Exactly. But I've heard rumors that Halloween kills might actually explain what happened to the parents. That's the rumors I've heard. Well, I've seen it. Oh, okay.

And I'm not going to spoil anything. I just say that it's a very brutal movie. It definitely lives up to its name. I can hardly wait to get to see it. I think they're going to really like it. Okay. I have tickets. That makes me more excited about it.

Yeah, it's brutal. And that's up after that. That's a long time. Knowing what it's like here in Melbourne at the moment, we probably won't see it until like 20, 23. Yeah, not good. Yeah, whenever, you know, like the cinemas and whatever, open again. Well, that's where you are.

You all got to do some digital gymnastics and get you that. Exactly. Yes. We have VPNs in Australia. We know what to do. Okay. We know what we do it. There's a reason piracy is so bad in this country.

That is true. What are you supposed to do? Exactly. Can you use it. You expect, right? Damn, and I'm disappointed. Donald Pleasance is in his vampire character. Yes.

Wow, that would add a whole other layer to this. I would love it. I would love it. What did you see in Donald Pleasance as a vampire, you can never unsee it. No, what did you see him dying phenomena? could never unsee it. That's one of the most funny as he has in the history.

Oh, man. Yeah, I'm with you. You know, I was the one that Donald Pleasence was a Bond villain. I was just going to say, when I don't see him as Loomis, I see him as Blofeld. Yes.

He was, he was the quintessential Blowfeld, in my opinion. He was the best one to play that character. Oh, look, there's a reason he got cast in all those parts. They stumbled on the... They stumbled on the set of Night of the Living Dead.

About 10 years too late, babe. Yes. One of the things about the Lumin's character that's so interesting is that there's this underlying subtle theme about his character that's never really elaborated. Like, he just seems like so tired, and it seems like he himself is being with so much. That's never, you know, whatever happened off-screen or whatever his life has been. But he seems like a person that's, like, on the brink of, like, madness himself, you know, for whatever he's been doing with.

Well, certainly. Oh, man, he's been obsessed with this for the last, you know, he's been obsessed with Michael Myers. This is exactly right. Let's think about that for a minute. That in itself is abnormal. That obsession that he has, you know, regardless of what he sees, which is pure evil, it's still, it's still very abnormal for a person to be that obsessed.

He is, he is Captain Ahab. And Michael Myers is his white whale. He's movie dick. I mean, it really goes back to the. that entire kind of, you're right, obsession. And even when you see the Rob Zombie version and the Malcolm McDowell portrayal of Loomis, it's obsessioned different kinds at different points.

But, yeah, it's a very classic character in cinema. Yeah, definitely. And of course, Michael was Let's write the prequel. Let's write Loomis. Loomis. Oh, yeah. Really?

Louis is not even kidding. I know just a regular doctor until Michael Myers shows up, and this guy is so fucked up that it screws up this regular guy for life. No, I think much like Jack Torrance, I think this guy was the little office rocker before even Michael. Like he said that's a lot of life that I get, you know. This guy's walking around with a stick shooter, and he's just a doctor.

I mean, it's not even a cop or anything official like that, you know? So what does that tell you about? Also chasing down this psycho. I think I'd be loaded, too. Meanwhile in sunny California. With a few leaves thrown out for good measure. Throwing a few moms on the stage. Because it was chung during the summer.

They had four toes from the east. few that they could afford to keep on set. And they kept sweeping them up. Yeah, because if you actually look in the background in certain scenes, you could, like, it's meant to be Illinois, but it is California, because if you look in the background in certain scene, there is palm trees. Palm trees, yeah. I know, I love this movie so much, but there are just certain things where you're just like,

okay, you kind of laugh at, you know. But I do like all these long lingering shots, You've literally just seen like, just, you know, Laurie Stroh just literally walking in real time all over the place. It adds to the eeriness of the film. Well,

yeah, it's very voyeuristic, you know. It's almost time of that. Yeah, there you go. That's the POV of Michael later on, you know, and we're seeing what he's going to see throughout the entire film. Throughout the entire day, really, because it just takes place in one day.

Well, even though going back to when Loomis was coming up to the, um, Institute. This has pie trace. You know? What are going to add in the background? Right.

Sorry, go ahead. But even the shots where the lights, you know, of the car only hitting certain areas. So it's very much playing with light and shadow throughout this entire movie to give you very much a singular person's POV or two people's POV. Like in this case, there's a lot of intimacy of shots and then a lot of wide space. It's very carefully, yeah, carefully done. And it pulls you in. It's an interesting contrast to how, when you look at the thing and how that's shot. And it's not, like this film, you get the sense of the town,

whereas that is so claustrophobic and it's so, it's like the opposite, but it's the same. And you can see how over time carpenter would, like, you know, evolve. Yeah. And of course, we're seeing a very, very, very young Paul Rudd right here. Is this,

yes, is this future Paul Rudd here? It's either Paul Rudd or Anthony Michael Hall. It's one of the two. Depending on which timeline you follow. Right. It looks like Cousin Oliver. Please, sir.

This franchise introduced us to the multiverse before the multiverse was the thing, because it's about four or five different ones going on. It's basically like the Choose Your Own Adventure series in Horrible. That's true. That's so true. What's your favorite timeline here? I'm going to go to say this film, Halloween 2 and H2O. That's my favorite timeline. Same.

Yeah, I'm in agreement. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Me too, definitely. And what happened? Yeah, I was going to say, whatever happens after H2O is basically like a what-if scenario. I think it's all a dream. Like, can you imagine being like Jamie Lee Curtis and coming up with like that ending for that story and giving her complete, you know, closure on everything only to come back for the next movie to be killed in the first 10 minutes?

in such a ridiculous manner. Yeah. It's so sad. I still... But she don't love the Buster rhymes. Oh, God, no. No, no, no, nothing about it.

Nothing at all about it. I really, I like the way Laurie was in that. Like she was, yeah, she ran and hid, but she was, I don't know, her character was so much, so much more stronger, I think, than who she's playing in these new movies.

You know? And maybe that's a... Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I think they broke her in these new ones. I don't think she was quite broken in the last one. She was hiding in H2O, but I don't think she was broken. I don't know. I'm not sure how I feel about these until I see like all fucking three of them. What do they mean? You know, I'm, I can't speak for the whole thing.

I just enjoyed the closure of H2O so much. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Is that the plan three movies? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I don't really like that Halloween one. So, I don't know, maybe I should re-watch it after watching this, since it's a continuation of this and see if I feel any different. I don't know. I just could not even get into it. I remember liking it when I watched it. I think it's like going to be one of those things. Yeah, I think it's going to be one of those things.

I mean, I really like it. I really like it personally, but I think it's going to be one of those things because they had a set plan for free. movies. So once all three are out, then it'll probably be like, oh, it all makes kind of sense. It'll probably play better. Look at the type of this pumpkin. Are we all seen the size of this pumpkin right now? Yes. Not there yet. But yes, I always have that, yes. That is a massive pumpkin for that child. I think that pumpkin's carrying him, to be honest with you. I swear, all four of those kids

have the exact same haircut. It was the time period. I lived in that time period. I was a kid then. I had that haircut. I'll admit it. My first shot in the entire movie right here. A lot of girls even had it. I'm glad I was talking about that haircut now.

We are going to be watching Little Darlings pretty soon, which Naz is going to make us watch. So I'm sure the haircut will pop up again. There is this beautiful shot right here. It's amazing. Just amazing stuff. no Tommy Doyle walking away so sad because this pumpkin is an oversized mutated pumpkin that's watching

oh Michael Michael just knows how to drive because in spare time he took driver Zed at the psychiatric hospital yeah I was going to say like I bet Dr. Loomis regrets giving Michael those driving lessons now

I was going to say that's the great mystery is like how the fuck does Michael know how to drive he's been locked up to like 15 years Maybe as a kid he learned how to drive. That is true. Maybe he made some mistakes going to Hamilton. We just didn't see that part. Maybe he struggled a little bit.

Now he got the hang of it after like that. Yeah, that is true. It could also be. A really long drive. How many times did he just sit and watch someone drive? Oh, that's a good point. He's that methodical impatient. He studies someone driving.

Or he got someone. was too friendly, a guard was too friendly and let him sit in the front seat or even try it. I mean, there's possibilities. It was Daddy Trejo. That's my theory. Danny Trejo was from this universe as well. That's what I was going to say. I was thinking the same thing.

You got the Danny Trejo. And I do love the Malcolm McDowell too. Still not as good as Pleasance, but how can you know? The most random phone booth ever. Right next to a freaking trade line. They didn't think that one out there.

You know, we should put a phone booth here. I'm sure it'll get a lot of activity in the middle of nowhere. That is exactly where you want a phone booth. Are you kidding? I mean, you know, your car breaks down. This is exactly. Yeah, but as a business, man, I know I'm getting a lot of quarters out of that phone booth, so why would I put it there?

You know what I'm saying? And that's what the company is thinking about. There are some areas of the country that used to have that. I mean, really before cell phones. Well, I mean, my family went on a lot of, like, cross-country car rides and, like, go to rural areas. You'd be surprised just how many, like, pay phones you would see in different places. In the middle of nowhere. Well, and the railroad tracks are, like, where the towns used to build around.

Right. Just want to bring attention. to the person on screen. It's refrandle. I'll wait that on her. It's refrandle before frondal. Exactly. Look at that curse.

Jesus. Got me cold sticking out of there. Totally. I just I love her. I like how Laurie has like a huge handbag, but yet she just

carries her books around with her. They all carry their books around. Just put them in your bags. Do you know how heavy that is? What you're missing is that Larry's bag is filled with books already. She's that character. So she's just, she's got an over-de-barned. She has very few, like, yeah, she has her keys and her wallet, basically, in her,

and maybe just a small cone. But that, I doubt even that. She's got books in there. She's going on chart of territory. Totally. Totally. Totally. Totally.

And she signed everything at the con. She signed every picture, everything, totally. Yes, if people hadn't figured out, that's who we were talking about. Although I have the same, Barcy, I think when we, you and I went down and chatted to, I think we ended up talking more about rock and roll high school than we were talking about rock and roll high school than we were talking about. We did Halloween. I hadn't seen it at that point. And she was telling me off. So I went and watched it.

Exactly. No, me too. I told her, I know everybody was there because of Halloween and Carrie. And I was here to meet Rick Randall. And I showed her my Ramon's tattoo. And she signed my arm.

So she's just brilliant. She's like, oh my God. Let me, can I sign that? Sure. Steve, if you did get that, Steve, if you didn't get that autographed,

I'll be very upset. I did not. I did not. Oh, damn. Like, um... See, you can't, you can't back it up now. You didn't get it out of shame. See, he didn't figure out that part of driving.

Michael didn't meet the stop in the middle of road. He just had, he was stalling. He didn't know what to do next. See? I want those shoes, those big platform shoes. I think all. all these fashions that the girls are ready to make a comeback. Bede, you can add them to your growing wardrobe of costumes you have to wear.

Exactly. I'm sure you can find some hipsters around here in Brooklyn wearing them. I'd take a little sweater. Well, I think this was one of the earliest in the middle. The music is so good. Yes. Oh yeah. There's a reason it's iconic.

It's just so. good. Well, this is... Shadow, like I said, when you've got those kind of like shots where it's all of a sudden, like, they walk out of the distance. Yeah. And then this when he's behind

the thing... But who knew William Shatner's face would make for a terrifying bloody mass? Right? And who also knew they could never duplicate that mass as much as they tried? They got worse than worse as the years went on. Oh, ridiculously bad.

Hey. Yeah. culminated in that horrible one from part four, I think, though, part five. It's like he stuck a key in an electrical outlet and his hair got out spiked up. That's the worst one. Yeah, as much as I love the Halloween series, there have been some truly dreadful masks. So, is it? But to their credit, though, as far as the storyline goes, he does have to find a new mask every time we start a new movie. So it would make sense that he can have the exact same mask.

Yeah, but come on. They should have gone through the whole cast of Star Trek. So each movie, he should have had a different place. There you go. That would have worked out perfectly, yeah. Totally. My favorite is the war. No, you couldn't do that with some characters

because that would be highly problematic. Yeah, I mean, I was going to say, you would have to draw the line at a horror. And Sulu. I mean, I'm sorry. I just, you know. But, you know, they're just the moth. They're just all sprayings.

painted in the same color. Well, that is, yeah. You know, you could be like Mr. Spock one day. Sure. That actually would be kind of terrifying, too. And that brings into aliens, like aliens into it.

That wasn't creepy at all. I found that more creepy than Michael Myers driving a car and stalking. I'm sorry, Mr. Craig. Oh, I didn't mean to start, oh yeah? I'm way ahead. I think I'm pretty much the same about with you, Marcy, because I'm watching it for a while.

I'm pausing it to let them catch up. We need timestamps. Where are you? I'm at, I can't see anything. Okay, I need to get out of full screen. Mine's at 25, 24. Sorry, 2549, so. Oh, yeah, you're like 30.

seconds ahead, I think. I'm at 26.50. I'm at 26.13. Okay, there you go. I think Lansson, our copy started about the same time. I'm at 2630 now. I have to pause that I think

for like 10 seconds. Yeah, I'll pause my for a line for a lot. Who's running the copy we can hear? I think that's plan. Lance, what's your time stamp? Look, there's an hour right there. Look, what about that Easter egg?

I don't hear Lance. Lance has disappeared from Nicole. Is he the one recording? Yeah, I hope so. All right, I just have the shot where Lori's like at, sees Michael out in the, uh, at the clothesline. Yeah, the clothesline. That's such a weird edit, though, isn't it?

Like, she's, she's looking out, she sees him, we cut to her still looking at him and then he's gone. Like, what are we to take from that? Like, she doesn't look away, like there's, you know, no distraction and then she looks back and he's gone. That always felt like a really strange to edit to me. Michael Myers is a ninja. Exactly.

And might be her mind playing tricks on her. You know? That was what, yeah, but that's- That factor. Yeah. Because you know how sometimes. you think you see someone like I've had that happen to me where

I thought I saw someone following me and then all of a sudden you know there was a little bit later they weren't there but I did walk away okay so all right I'll take

I'll accept it yeah not saying supernatural or anything but just you know if you thought were being followed earlier yeah It conforms to what it actually is in your mind.

Like, she was looking at the sheets and thought she saw him. And they, yeah, okay, all right. I just imagine maybe she kind of looked away and then he disappeared. Even though we don't see it, that's how I kind of, it plays out of my head. Yeah, but it could be that too. And that's what there's that mysterious kind of thing. And that's what I like about it is that it is a little mystery. Hmm.

Where did I come up with all you say to punk? They are, or was for Mike? That pumpkin's even bigger than the other one. I was going to say, is this as big as Tommy's pumpkin? Where are they getting them? God, this pumpkin has its own gravity and gravity field. They used to be bigger. From that Food of the God's Island or whatever, that movie.

That's way toward it to be trick-to-treating nowadays. You won't see that anymore. What's up, Naz? Yo. And he's not here in LA. Hey, Des. Hey, it's Nez Where are we?

We're at About 29 minutes in You're going to get about nine different answers For that question, Nez. I'll tell you that right now. All right, which copy is playing, Lance, is that yours? Yeah, 29 minutes and 37, 38, 39 seconds. Okay.

Oh, I'm about 20 seconds, bud. What's on the screen? The red card. Or any in the car. With rock and roll music according to the subtitles. Right.

I've got the Loomis coming out of his car. You gotta love Annie come and prepared with the joint. Oh yeah. It is the 70s, right?

Oh god, now am I ahead? I think so. Yeah, now Loomis just jumped out of the car. What I don't know? Now it went too far back. He just jumped,

yes. He jumped out of his beamer. No, no, I don't. This guy who... This guy who's whip out Lewis right now, he looks like is like, oh, I just rather be at the bar, drink, oh.

I thought it was Gary Busy there for a minute. He probably is. He's a cemetery attendant, so you know he's seen some shit in his time. He would sound crazy like Garibusi. Garibuze. I used to look right next door to a cemetery. and so I'd have to go over and talk to the groundskeeper

or I'd see them on a regular basis because my car was parked right by there I wonder somebody was following you well that was a different thing entirely I don't care how strong a person is I don't know if you can pull that out of the ground and then the cemetery groundskeeper he's just thinking about a lawsuit right now.

Look, like, fuck, they're going to sue me. Well, he's not doing a good job at the cemetery because there's a lot of overgrowth everywhere. No, what a shit grounds for you? Do your job, you kid. Exactly. I could just pass the stop time right there. It broke the law.

I like how, like, the cast, Jamie Lee Curtis was, like, the only one who was, like, closer the age than any other on the other. actors in this movie as a teenager. Right. Even though she still looks 10 years older. Yeah, you could tell too. Especially with the Blu-ray.

I mean, they weren't pulling anybody by this point. Yeah, because she was, I think, 19 or 20 when the movie came out. Yeah. And I believe, mid-20s. Yeah, mid to late 20s. I think PJ Solz was actually 27 or 28. Oh, and I could see that my house is right behind the store where I'm at right now. I see that.

Oh, wow. Hey, the Cassie's fan is like Greece, though, where they were like... Off to the right of this store is the Myers house. I, yes. They moved it. I know that. Did you go to that thing last night, Pedro? No.

At the museum, behind it? No, they had the signing. Yeah, no, trust me. I just want to get home, man. I want to deal with these people. Oh, man, I wanted to go. Yeah. They had a pretty big sign in there.

Everybody was there. Oh, man. I didn't know about it until, like, yesterday. And I was like, damn it, I would have went down there. Because me and my brother, we were just driving around there. He was showing me all the places and showed me the house. And I didn't know that museum was behind it. And they were having a screening.

So it said, hell, why not? So we stuck around and I went through the museum and watched the movie in the backyard. Nice. Yeah, I live about it. a block away from there. So that's what I'm saying. I get a little annoyed with the tourist season. It looks exactly the same still.

It looks exactly the same. I mean, you know, mine is the cars. I mean, we have newer cars, but it looks pretty much the same. There goes Michael passing Loomis. In my mind, I think Michael's is flipping him the bird. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, he just did.

It is completely the Bond villain playing. And toying with James Bond and vice versa. It's Bond screwing with Goldfinger. I mean, where were these girls driving to that it was light, and by the time they got there, it was dark. I think they were just driving around smoking. No, they were going babysitting,

but they were driving around before that. Like forever. Yeah, so they could smoke. Well, yeah, but you also got to understand They're trying to get high, so they can't just get high walking around. This was before California legalized this shit. So you had to kind of keep the street. And that weed must have been weak because her dad didn't even smell it when they rolled up.

Right. And they had been hot boxing. I reckon her dad was like smoking a little bit on the side too. He probably doesn't mind. Yeah, he's got that look, doesn't he? Yeah. how could they not notice this car just falling up around? It's so close to them.

With a dude in a white mom. The same car that is so, I mean, station wagons, that model station wagon was pretty common that day, but not necessarily that color. How far are they driving out to? It's like taking them four hours to get to the house. They're smoking in the car. Who saw this when it was brand new? I mean, I know it's 50 years late. I saw it a little after it came out

like three or four years after. There's somebody to get gas or something. We didn't see that. That is true. And Michael was there behind them and the gas stations through the whole time. Well, they had to drive all the way from Pasadena to get to Hollywood where these houses are.

No, you know, one of the things, I was going to say, one of the things that makes this film, I mean, among other things that makes it really scary, was taking part two out, because obviously in part two, we understand the connection. But here, I mean, this, like, psychopaths,

like just randomly choosing this girl. That's fucking weird and scary and all kinds of different ways. Like, it really, there's no connection here. This is about a guy that just broke out of the insane asylum and he just happens to just focus in on this girl. And, or the three babysitters. So that's really scary to me.

Just the randomness of it all. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and the thing is, if Laurie never went to the Meyer's house to drop off that stuff, then, you know, she would never have been chosen by Michael. He would never have stalked her. Right, that's right. Imprinted on her. Right where the parents walked, that's a garage now.

This house doesn't even look like that. And there's Loomis already. He looks a little off himself, too. That's since 1960. Right. I mean, Ken, Pat, Phil thinks his place is on it. How the sheriff doesn't even know that the psychiatrist is trapped right now? He's got a gun with him.

I'm sure he does. They all were then. The 70s, right? Yeah, different times. He might have also, if, like, he's a certain kind of state or, you know, employee or something, he might be legally entitled, I mean, like, have, like, be able to do it as part of his job. part of his job. I don't know. That's

that's pressing a little bit there, but okay, I'll go with it. I don't know. I'm just saying psychiatry. He deals with insane people. As someone, I mean, I'm just bipolar, but as someone who has been in a mental ward, I can say

I know that they were very different. They're not great now, but they were much better than they were in the 1970s. And so they were some really fucked up shit. going on then.

God only knows what was going on. So he could have been entitled to have a gun as part of his job. Okay. I think it's a reflection on Lumens and it is on his profession that he's walking around with a gun. Well, you know, that agreed. But I shot him six times. I know.

I mean, we know. I was going to say, are we going to ignore the fact that Michael Myers ate a dog? Right. It's so matter of fact. Yes. We'll forget about it. Yeah. Have you been inside there, Pedro?

Yes. They open it up in time with time. But now it's got new owners and they don't really appreciate the attention that the house gets anymore. Well, they knew what they were buying when they bought it. Right. Yeah. American Horror Story House, right? You got to expect people to come by.

Well, that was completely barricaded. You can't really go in that one because we've tried, trust me. So the thing here is that the lady that runs the museum, the one you were talking about, she's constantly fighting with the owners of this house because it's like her business depends on pictures from this house. And the owners are like, you don't want anybody here,

but it's like you bought this house knowing the history. So this is the result of that, right? So I don't know. You get pretty ugly sometimes. They don't want people taking pictures of the house? Well, you know, because people go on the steps and they do the whole nice thing. You know, you know how that goes. There's a sign there that says...

Go ahead. There's a sign there that says don't go to the door on the steps, but we were there. The place was closed. We sat on the steps, but that was about as much as we did. Well, according to the neighbors, you went too far when you did that, so... I was going to say, like, if I actually bought the money... buyer's house. I'd be showing that shit off all the time. I don't

I don't know why they don't monetize it. They should like go, I don't know. I don't know. No kidding. But I mean, open it up and let go do a tour thing, you know? But I guess they just don't, I mean, I don't know. It's a bunch of entitled people here anyway, so. Yeah.

They must not like money. Because I'm sure that would, that would make a ton of money. Either that, they got so much of it that they don't need anymore. That's another possibility. Yeah. Like that story. Or they started occult in them. Michael Myers' house.

That's why they're trying to keep people away. But you got to understand that. It's not just that house. It's also the house where the bush is at, where Michael stands and he sees Lori for the first time, like face to face. It's the one where Lori sits with the pumpkin that we just saw a little while ago, that corner house.

So during this time, all those houses are constantly being disturbed by all these tourists that are just, they're taking pictures and, you know, loitering and stuff. So it's a pretty big deal. It's come up in like city council meetings and stuff like that. The two houses, the one with the pumpkin on the corner, there's a bucket with a pumpkin in it. And they, I was talking to people that live there.

And they said, no, it's fine. Just don't try not to mess it up or whatever. But they didn't care. And the people with the, with the tall hedge, when we got there, I saw some people coming out of the house. And I said, is it okay if we take people? pictures and they said yeah sure go ahead take as many as you want we're like all right cool wait we at least asked and the guy was hey thank you for asking because most people just go there and do it anyway and right on that right on that corner where the hedge where he's standing it's like a

bald spot it's all nice green grass except for right there poor bit traver he's got to get right over by car late that night and michael and numers and could get too fuck about that too, which always makes me laugh. He's so hyper-focused on Michael, like a man just got randover. Where's Michael? Where's Michael? Look, that's a creepy shot right there. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Like I told you, it's a light and shadow. He probably doesn't act anymore. Because they got Kyle Richards to come back to be Lindsay. Yeah, well, to be fair, she's still pretty much famous because she's on Beverly. Beverly Hills out fuck,

real housewives of Beverly Hills. You got it, you got it, you got it. And you know, like her niece is Paris Hilton

as well. Kyle Richards is my favorite on that show. I watch it. I admit it. Look at this shot right here.

Michael being a creeper. Had all these gals in it, this is the chick that I like, Nancy Loomis. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

She just, Foot loose and fancy free. No bra. Annie. It was the 70s. They don't breathe. Don't buy me. I'm just going to take them with all my clothes,

just because I got a little bit of food on it. With the alien panties. Exactly. I bet she didn't shave either. What do you guys think? It was the 70s, Lance. We all know what was got. It was a reflection of the cemetery grounds we saw earlier.

Had to get a size bigger for the cushion, you know? Uh-oh. Michael Lise has got to eat that dog now. Oh, another dog, man. No, just go fuck off. Why do you have to go be an asshole to the animals? Uh, Vanessa, this, this so much. I see this all the time.

Like, there's no reason to even have that. dog in the movie. Right. If you're just going to kill it. Well, because there's nothing narratively, you know. That sends an entire different kind of psycho message if you're willing to kill an animal. Oh, I know that. I know that.

Right. But it's just, develop the dog, you know? Like, that's the first time we saw the fucking dog. But they already made the point with saying, oh, they discovered the animal carcass and the Myers house, right? why do we need to see them have another I mean and I get it the dog is also

alarming them you know him of the you know alerting his presence I get that but he had to be silenced like a person I get it gives you a little oh okay they have a dog

they have a dog maybe they can be comfortable for a second and no they cannot this guy's nice I don't know, it's one of those things where I'm like, why do we have to have that many animals killed? This is one of my things, but I'm like, don't ever watch kind of a holocausts. Oh, no, I've already seen it.

Multiple times. I get it. To be fair, that dog was difficult to work with, so. It's that last year. He was an asshole. He was harassing the cast. He was being a complete dick. It wasn't even supposed to be in the movie, but, you know,

They had it on video anyway. The demands in its contract were outrageous. The rights was. He was doing what Bruce Willis. He was asking a billion a day. Oh, no. Did these kids not go trick-or-treating? Especially Lindsay.

She's just in a regular street clothes. I guess not. Tommy has a little, what is it, an astronaut suit or whatever? Those look like PJs, like astronaut. PJs or something. I'm assuming they went trick-or-treating earlier and then they got back and then their parents were like, okay, now we can go out and have some fun.

You get to stay home with the babysitter. Right. I think that's what happened too. Did any of you go trick-or-treating during the day? I wouldn't go late after. Yeah, when I was real little, I did. Like right after school, like those kids when Lori was walking home? Yeah.

Yeah, I did. Right after school and then until it ended. You just walked until they didn't give any candy anymore. Yeah, it depends where you live and that kind of thing, like how early people will start trick-or-treating and what ages you'll see at what times. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. I lived in the hood, and they didn't hand out candy until the sun went down.

See, and usually the little ones are done before dark. Well, now. Right. Not back then. Or in my case, it was basically like it would end earlier because being in an Aussie, Halley wasn't a thing when I was a kid. So when my siblings and I would go trick-or-treating, about at least half the time you'd knock on the door, they were, the person who opens up is like, we don't celebrate Halloween

in Australia. Fuck off. And then they were just about saying. He gave you the whole feel. He could just not open the door, but he had to tell you that this is Australia. Yeah, exactly. And then he's going to fuck off in there just to be a big. They would always say, we don't celebrate it.

It's an American holiday. But now I'm like, well, technically it came all the way from Ireland. But, you know, let's not get into the details. I'm having pamphlets printed up. I'm having pamphlets printed up so I can hand them out. Exactly. I get so excited when we get trick-or-truders here at the house. I love it.

I absolutely love it. It's a nice tradition in Australia now. I mean, not in Melbourne with lockdown, but, you know, it's nice when, you know, over the years have gone trick-or-treating with my niece and stuff. I mean, I was like, though, if they didn't even know, like, what was going on and there's just a bunch of kids and masks showing up at the door asking for candy. Well, and I'll tell you, that's the thing living in an apartment building, I mean, to the entire. I moved to New York, I don't get trick or treaters. You see them only going to, like, businesses in the neighborhood. And, I mean, maybe you with, like, the brownstones or something, but...

Right. That have, like, one or two, like, apartment levels, but not, like, a major apartment building. It's just, you know... So you don't see them... It's a totally different thing. where do you live in New York? In Brooklyn. Yeah, all right.

Yeah, I think in the urban cities is kind of such a tradition that's dying a little bit. I think for one of the digital We still have fun. And we, you know, have plenty of, like, parties and festivals and stuff where... Well, that's what I'm going to say. Somehow, over the last 20 years,

it's kind of evolving to more of an adult thing where you have the Halloween party and then you have the, you know, the festivals. but the actual act of trick-or-treating with the kids. Right. At least here in L.A., I mean, it's really dying out. And I think, you know, the pedophile awareness is a big thing. Like, nobody wants to trust their kids going out there anymore.

Whoa. And also, like, like, you know, the digital devices. Not everybody wants to stay home and be online on the Discord or whatever. So it's changed. It's changed. I mean, you still see them. Like, I still see them here. But at the same time, when I was a kid, I mean, you couldn't even walk.

It was so many kids. It's changed. On Halloween night, and that's completely changed. Yeah. Yeah. In L.A., though, don't you have to walk a mile to get from one house to the next? Either that or getting a car and drive. In the urban area, it's kind of the same thing as in New York, because it's so expected to live here,

we have a lot of apartment complexes. So you'll see, like, you know, miles of just apartments. And, you know, you don't want to send your kids to an apartment complex. It might not come out. So, like, you know, it would be. I mean, although with my, even though, like, my building, most of the people, I would say, have lived in the building for a while, you know, but they're not a lot of families. Right. That's the other thing.

You know. Those damn millennials not having kids anymore is ruining Halloween. Well, no, no, but they're even older. They're older couples. or older single people in my building that I've lived in the building like 40 years. Mark Marcy. Oh, sorry, yes.

No, Marcy, I'm going to, real quick, I'm going to ask, do you guys trick and treat in October or April? Why would we do it in April? Halloween is the same day. You're upside down. I don't understand it. That makes sense to me, though. That totally makes sense to me.

The season change. The calendar is the same, bro. Yeah. It's not a full thing. It's a screen. Oh, my goodness. It's just hard as a fuck. Dad joke.

Good old man. To be fair, my birthday is two days before Halloween. So, you know, over the years, I've preferred to kind of have like a

Halloween slash birthday party with like dress up and stuff. But, you know, the last, you know, A couple of years we haven't been able to do that. But I'll try to keep that up eventually.

Hey, Lance, I'm just going to tell you right now because, Jack, you've been banned from your own podcast. And we're also missing the fact that the kids are watching The Fing from another world, which foreshadows one of John Carpenter's next project, The Fing. Yes, exactly. Okay. Oh, he loves Howard Hodge.

He's a huge fan of Howard Hodge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think one of the things that has bothered John Carpenter so much, and the reason why he's so crotchety is because nobody ever supporting his films when they were out there, you know, being released for the first time. And it was in hindsight that people found in love with him. Like, he's got all kinds of bombs that ended up becoming toxic.

And his whole thing is like, how good does that do me now? You know, what? Right. When they were out there, you know, because he lost firestarter because of the thing flopping. So he, they fired started to, I think, I forget who will. Mark Lester. Mark Lester. Thank you.

So he lost to that, right? He did Commander. Okay. And you can hear us talk about that movie on the King's Own podcast. Yes. 16 million podcasts. So I think the worst thing you could do to him Whenever you see him at a sign or whatever

It starts saying how much you love the same How much you love Big Trouble and know the China Because you look at you and it's like Where the fuck were you when that's when I'm going to open Well, I can tell him I was there Because I was there when they were brand new Yeah You're one of the few, huh?

I supported it the art When it was brand new Man, but I love Big Trouble since day one though Yeah, Vanessa, which one did you choose in 1982? Did you go see the thing or did you go see ET? Because they opened in the same weekend. I was that kid who was taken to see ET and I was just so miserable. I was like, why?

All my friends loved it. I was like, this kind of sucked. You're saying, you're crying, Vanessa. No, I'm a heartless bitch. I always have been. He was kind of an ugly little alien. Yeah, I got Tedden to E.T. I was Wednesday Adams.

Oh, look, it's Leslie Nielsen. Yay. E.T. wasn't playing at the theater around the corner from my house, but the thing was. So we went miles to go see E.T. And then the next day, we went and saw the thing. So we saw it. Okay. Look, as a how did the doc comic?

Oh, so good. Even that movie. I don't care what anyone said. I got to see the original. Alien in the theater as a kid. I saw it in the drive-in. Yeah, that was great. So bad.

Terrified me to death. I wasn't born when all of these movies came out in the theater. So who's oldest here, Lance? I'm sure. Or is it me? I get into the conversation there. Hold on, my great kids are calling me. I'll be right back.

I like how Michael. Myers is like, you know what, I'm just carrying this body around out in the middle of the open. Like, nobody's going to do anything about it. It's not time. No one's the one night of the year where you can do that and not get questions. Well, that is true. That is true. They didn't have ring cameras.

The back door was open. Why didn't he go through the back door? Why do you have to watch the time? Because he's a show off. Well, he's pretty brazen. And the fact is he may not have. known or it was locked? I don't know.

Yeah. He's bracing, though. I mean, that's really the biggest thing. How did he get in the car? Was the other door unlocked? There's Lumen's with the... Oh, the doors were unlocked in the car. Yeah.

Not when she first got there. It was locked. That's why she went back in the house. Oh. Well, no, it was probably open and then he locked it. Imagine being a kid and seeing Lumen's like creeping up in the bushes like that. Just looking at you. Well, you know, if not

now, the cops would be called and he'd be done for, you know, being a peno. Oh, great. Or some sort of creepo. Didn't have the child molester sheriff show up. I'm not going to lie. The older I get,

the more I'm starting to look like Donald Pleasant's in this movie. You actually do be. I'm legit, there was a photo of a New Year's party I went to and I looked at him like, holy shit, I look like Donald Pleasants in this photo. You have to show us all down.

Yeah, I have to find the picture. I even tweeted about it. Look at that face. That is, he's somebody who should be in a mental asylum himself. Feed next a Halloween party you can dress up like Dr. Loomis. I will. Does that have the trench coat? Yes.

Is that Ben Vaughn playing the sheriff? I would have to notice somebody on my lawn. What is the sheriff's habit of just sneaking up behind people? Yeah, right? If he doesn't do, I mean, Pedro, I know you've seen Halloween kills, but if he doesn't do that in Halloween kills as well, I'm going to be upset. Yeah, saw it already? Yeah.

Pedro did, yeah. He's ahead of us. is it worth it? Oh yeah All right Well you were going to watch it regardless of what I said It doesn't matter what he said

I went in I'm going in more excited now If you said it was no good Then I would expect it to be no good We told you once that Black Christmas Was a piece of shit the remake And you're like yep The Blu-ray's on the way

I got it right here It's right here behind me Every episode right here seriously you guys need to like make it like some kind of have a jar and put a dollar in every time black Christmas as mentioned on your podcast

you'd be we got a big t-shirt Brian now Brian loves like Christmas right Brian there's not a jar big enough for that listen to our last year's the

31 days we did all three oh I like black X-Men, though. I like that one. That one has some sort of charm to it. That was hell good. That one was hell of good.

What was that? Like the one in the 90s or some shit? No, there's no. 2000s. 2000s. The one that was upset. Yeah. Yes.

It wasn't bad. No, it has some. It has some charm to it. There you go. Yeah. As fucked up and, like, bad as some other parts of it are. It has some charm. You know, and I'm like, okay, I'll give it that.

I have Gretchen Wieners in it. Yes. I also have reached it. It's probably one of the best. Yeah, Michelle Trachenberg is in it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's in a two.

Macy's a shot bird, who I adore it. And then you have Janice Dickinson. Just like a step away from being a drag queen in it. I mean, like, I'm sorry. I would love to see a drag queen played that role. It would have made it so much, it would have made so much more sense.

The way she played it. It's dark. There's no one home inside. Let's go inside and bang. They're horny teenagers in the 70s. What is that thing in the background on the whatever? It looks like a weird doll. Michael Bias is deady from the room.

I just like to watch you guys. I know, right. There's that big pumpkin. The most generic looking design of a pumpkin. No teeth, nothing. With a lit candle and her having it so close to her little apron she has on or whatever. That's dangerous.

I know. I want that apron. It is cool. I have one like that from my grandmother. Oh, that is perfect. That's awesome. I keep forgetting to bring this up. Michael Myers.

in this movie is one of the many people who plays Michael Myers in this film. Nick Castle, after this movie, he'd go on the director, the last starfighter, and the boy who could fly. And also, um, Dennis the Menace and Major Pain. You know your movies, man. Yeah. I know what this is. He's a nerd. He's got nothing better to do all day, but read, you know, IMDB. However, the, uh, the scene where we see Michael's face for a brief minute, that, actor Tony Moran. He's the sister, the brother of Aaron Moran who plays

Joni, Cunningham, and happy Happy Day, and Johnny loves charging. Yeah, I just looked it up before. All right, Brian, all he does is go on IMDB. We got to change our T-shirt logo, Brian. And the front, it's going to say, THR, we don't know horror. On the back, it's got to say, until Bid visits.

Yes. Done deal. Uh, yes, send me that show. He should be great at the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon, right? Yes. Oh, I forgot. Dick Castle also came up with the story for Hulk. I just read that there.

Yeah. I love that movie. We went to Days of the Dead convention in Vegas a few months back. And Tony Moran was there. And he just sitting through his panel, him just sitting there, uh, drunk. well, buzzed. I would say buzzed. He was sitting there sipping on a silver bullet.

Right? That ain't going to get him drunk. That's water, bro. He was getting, he was all calm in the beginning, but as he finished a few of them, the swear words started coming. It was weird, though. He spoke for an hour, and he even said that. He's like, you know what? I was only in the movie for, like, barely a second, and they wanted me to do a panel.

But he told this huge amazing story of how he got the part and what he did and what it did for him. That's when I learned that he was Joni's brother. And I was like, damn. He didn't make that money, man. He couldn't have been as fucked up as Meg Foster was, though, when he saw it right now. I don't know. She was like brain dead or something. Yeah.

She was on serious. She was lying hot. I like how they just have a pumpkin in neck beside them on the bed tower I know Is it the same one from outside or is it a different one? I'm confused No, man. It's going to generate.

What they didn't tell you, to light up the pumpkin, he had to do a few unspeakable things to it. Ew. This dude looks like a great big nerd. Just not beaded nerd. love the news. Fucking dud. It looks like P.J. Souls is out of his league. Yeah, exactly.

He's like PJ Souls and we're not. So, he's not a great personality. You never know. I don't know. Maybe. He's probably got a great big something. He had a big blue van. He had a big blue van.

That counts for a lot for a horny teenager back then. That's true. That makes sense. Shaggin wagon. Yeah. They didn't even need this house. They could have just pulled over in a parking lot and put the couch down in the back. Exactly.

It would have been safer, too. This kills one of the more famous kills in the entire Halloween. My wife had a big blue van when we first started. Oh, well, that explains everything. Right. Well, whoever has the volume up, man. And it's like perfect with mine because I have my volume down. Yeah.

Yeah. I got mine to sync up pretty well too. Yeah. Well, I think also because John Carpenter, what I love about this film so much, is the subtlety of it. Like everything from the scares, everything is just so subtle and believable. Like it's not overdone at all. I really like how it's lit too. It's like in the dark scenes.

Yeah. The music. But, you know, as Vanessa pointed out earlier, it's how it's lit as well. Yeah. And in these sort of dark scenes, it's got the perfect amount of lighting so you see exactly what you're supposed to. You can see what's going on. And even when they're just walking around outside, it always looks like it's about to rain or something. Well, it's actually, it makes me think that Carpenter has watched or a lot of Japanese cinema.

because they very much play with the light and dark of, you know, space and their lighting as well. It's just an aesthetic that runs through their artwork and it's Carpenter. You see it in this and then you see it in other films of his. Like, I mean, I'm just even thinking Prince of Darkness. Yeah. You know. I don't think about it. But let's talk about how long that butcher knife was.

I was going to say, I don't think that butcher knife went all the way through him to stick him up onto the wall. And why was he so stiff? He should have been hunched over. Yeah, exactly. And also the weight of it probably wouldn't be able to hold him up for too long. We talked about why he decided to put a bed sheet on himself. Yeah, I was going to say, can we talk about why Michael's suddenly so playful? Like, does he know the term hat on a hat?

I mean, he's got a mask on. He's already got the mask. She would have known Michael Myers. You know, you know, they do have television and psychiatric facilities. Maybe he grew up watching all these shows as all the other little... Oh, maybe he had Scooby-Doo.

Yeah, I reckon he watched Scooby-Doo in there. Why didn't he... He's already got a mask. He's already... She's already going to think the boyfriend is... Yeah, exactly. Just left a mask on. I'd never thought about he's wearing a mask underneath the sheet, and now it just makes me a mask.

How did he totally wind up? And he wouldn't have, he wouldn't have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you miserable. Meddling kids. Come on, Scooby gang. See, that's what was, that was, that's what's in her bag. Why? You said besides, like, her keys and wallet, she has some knitting in there. and exactly one of me.

She's definitely one of the cool kids. I've done that. I've gone to bars with my knitting. I have bags and bags of my knitting. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori's shirt is pretty much me. What's joke? Was that? spent just the other night. Hey, Juky! Answer the phone.

Classic. Something seems to be wrong. I better go and investigate. You check on the kiss. Nothing wrong with that. And I don't know if you notice. Where she's looking, she's looking like that house is more to the right of how she's looking

out of the fence. Or looking out of the window. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they do that a few times where she's looking out of window, and it's like not the same view as looking at the window. $300,000 budget, right? Yeah, it's forgivable. Let's talk about those mom jeans.

Oh, that was the style. It was the style at the time. You need to bring that style back. It's back. It is back. Where I'm mad is back. We're out of Australia. everything's delayed.

Running up the street now. I've seen it coming back in New York. Oh, he found them. I like it as Lovis is like, I'm just hanging out here, in the bushes. Imagine being a parent in the neighborhood, right? And just seeing this strange man walking on all fucking day.

In a trench coat. And how long was he standing there and not noticed that car? I was just, I'm going to say that. So basically the buyer's house is on the same street as well, at least where all this is happening. It just now, it's just funny to me. That's her knitting kit.

That's simple for the middle institution. Wait a minute. Hold on. Something's going on. Doot. Doot. They go way over her waist. They look pretty hungry.

Damn. Well, her bag is just full of stuff now. Like, there's nothing, there's no room left at all. Right. The knitting kit. Well, it had made used to that with the big ass knitting needles and all. Yes. Well, she does later on.

Come on, man. Don't you know you're a whore? She doesn't run. He's smart. Is this still a hot down there, Pedro? I have got some knitting equipment that will fuck your shit up. Let me tell you that, and I would not be afraid to use it. That stuff is scary.

Some of my sewing equipment as well. You do look where that window is. Hooking in the eyeball, that would suck. It takes it like 30 minutes to walk across the street. It's like you should take them a very long time, all of them have been smoking weed and that does just kind of zone you out. That is sure.

Time dilation. I gotta ring that doorbell, even nobody does it nowadays. What if they were doing acid? Could you imagine this? If it was like an acid trip, like, Andy? Yes. Yes. Now I want to see that version now. I'm going to take this movie, put it in

like After Effects and make that version of the movie. That would have to be directed by someone like, you know, a more fucked up director. I mean, guy. By a lot of the volunteer. No, I don't want to see that. Fuck that guy. Every time I watch the movies, I want to slit my wrist. Look how swush that pumpkin is.

And I don't know about you guys. When I leave the house, I blow out my pumpkins. Yeah, you're fucking with the kids. They can't know there now. Yeah. I like how she, like, the door's open. I'll just close it. I better go around the back.

This is the very definition of John Carpenter thinking. We only have an 87-minute movie, and we've got to turn in a 90-minute movie. I was just thinking earlier, like, if you took out all the scenes with all the steady-cams shots and walking around, this movie probably would be about least an hour long. Like an episode of tales from the

crypt or something, huh? Yeah. But then we wouldn't have all the atmosphere and the builder. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Annie, are you okay? Are you okay, Annie? Really quick. That planter fell.

Why is it still hanging there? Hey. See, Michael Myers is considerate. He put the plant back up. It would have been another one there. It broke and shattered. Dude. He sleeves it up and put it in the bin and bought a new one.

Yeah. I mean, he took the time to get a bed sheet and cut some holes in it. Exactly. I mean, he hates people. He hates dogs, but he loves players. He's considered. Maybe he'd prefer a cat. Maybe that's what it is.

He's a cat person. The whole movie makes sense now. Pedro, does it come into play in Halloween kills? Or can you not say? No, I don't think so. I just think that. Where's the question? Did they show too much in the trailer?

No, no, I don't, not really. No, there are certain thought lines that are not known yet that are not on the trailer, no. Okay, because I was mad that they showed how he got out. No, no, that's irrelevant. I mean, you know he's out. There's Halloween kills. I mean, you've got to get out somehow. I know, but they shouldn't have showed it.

I wanted to at least be surprised. I'm okay right here. I don't know how far that car was. The station wagon he was mobbing around in. And I don't know how heavy tombstones are. But he carried it pretty far. Yeah, because he was out, he parked out the front of this house earlier. And then he's like, you know what, I'll drop off the tombstone, carry it all the way in.

And then like go back down the road, drop off the car and walk all the way back. back out. And not only that, he's got to stabilize the tomb, because physics doesn't really make sense the way it's set up. It should just be collapsing on her right now, but somehow it's part of the bedboard now. So he's a carpenter, too, evidently. Yeah, that thing's so heavy, you would have fell on her. Look, we don't know what went on during a time at the hospital. He could have worked out every freaking day. He fixed the bed, too. He definitely did him the Rob Zombie version. Yeah, I was going to say, like, I guess in a way, because, like, I know John Carpenter

prefers, you know, Michael Myers just being like this kind of shape who has no emotions, and just kills. But I kind of always like the fact that there's a supernatural quality to Michael Myers, like he's able to do all this stuff. Yeah, well, no, I appreciate that, too. Oh, well, I think there's a subtlety there, right? as far as like this man is not a regular human being but you know besides the sequels that really try to go in death like from from the carpenter team which is part one and part two they never really

elaborate on that it's just we just have to accept is that this guy there's some sort of supernatural element going on here right really know what it is and that's pretty cool I think they don't really like yeah oh this guy made a pack with the devil or whatever they don't really ever tell of that so that's cool it makes it even more scary I think um ouch he must not be able to see good in that mask. Yeah, that was bad, A man. To just crazy.

He's really shitty with dives right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's had a long day. Well, give him a break. Yeah. Oh, that's not actually Michael Bons.

You learn how to drive in two hours. Who knows how many cars be crashed in the psychiatric hospital to get to the Haddonfield. He's a bit to set up that whole death scene. Exactly. He's probably tired. He's crappy. You know, he had dog to eat.

Yeah, exactly He's only eating dog all day That's why he's had to eat Go break If I constipated He has to be He has to be He had some kind of supernatural calling

Because he just fucking punched Through a door Did he go out the front door? That is not a great door Did he go out the front door Put the rake up there Then go back in Yes he did

Yes He absolutely closet. Had it all figured out, huh? I wonder about killers who set up like this tableau of their victims hoping that somebody comes into that specific room. You know, I love that stuff. You see that

in all the Friday the 13th movie. It's like, we're just going to store everybody in this room over here and hope that you know, Ginny or Chrissy or whichever movie it is, they just wander into this particular bedroom. Like home alone.

and they always do right they always do I know well there are some actual killers that do that and I don't know about you guys but if someone did this to me after everything was all good

and I was fine I would have came back and burn that house down they could easily open the door yeah you would go back and say fuck them up you know Tommy Darb they're taking a sweet-ass time you're talking about

you're talking about the older the older character burning down the house yes she didn't she hadn't figured out fire if I was Laurie I would have just done that ride away right and another thing I like how he walks here

he's got some steady in his stride but a couple hours later after he falls well I guess he fell off the balcony and probably hurt his back because he was like just barely trotting along in the second week. Well, that's understandable.

But you notice here he's you notice here he's picked up his pace from what it was earlier. Yeah. He's going to be second week again. So he must have ran. Yes. He must have ran and went in that side window.

I'm sure he's run up this time. We just haven't seen it. Yeah, they just don't show it running. When the camera's not there, he starts running. Yeah. That's why that movie, the rights of Lesby Vernon, is so incredible because they show all that, right? It's so clever. Look at how small that cutty is on her show, though.

Scratch. It's just a tiny little scratch. There it is. Now he stabs into the couch. And I love it that she's just hanging out there and, like, calmly getting the knitting needle ready. She's just like, okay, I'm like thinking,

she's immediately in that mode while she's just also freaked the fuck out. Oh, yeah. Not many actors could convey that. I mean, they look out in there. Double tap.

That's not a butcher's knife. That's a fucking sword right there. I have never seen a butcher knife that huge. Whatever works. Exactly. Never.

That little scratch on her arm, it's like a huge scar in the last one. They ran out a budget to make a proper wound on that arm. Fun fact, Loomis is not wearing pants. That's about what it looks like.

Is this, is this Dewey or whatever? About, about what time would you say this is all going on? I'd like about seven, seven, eight is, eightish? Yeah, about, yeah, I was going to say somewhere between maybe eight or nine. I was in early, closer to like, nine, ten, ten, thirty. Yeah, I was going to say like nine or ten, even. I think it's around seven. Well, I don't know, do they have fucking daylight savings time here?

That's another question we got to one. Is that Pacific time or Australian time, though? Big difference. It gets dark around 4.35 o'clock here during this time when they throw in that daylight savings time. Well, if it was supposed to be Australia. I mean, not Australia. Illinois. This would be taking place in April.

Oh, yeah. Let's assume it's Illinois. In Illinois, in October. It would just be probably 7 o'clock is when it would start. Sun would start heading down. I would assume it's about 9 o'clock maybe. Maybe. Because the kids are in bed,

because the kids are in bed asleep. Yeah. But in the next film, kids are still running around the street, trick-or-treating. That's right. You know what, I think I'm going to give myself the victory there. it's about 7 o'clock. You know what?

Because remember, they were over the other Michael Myers, or the guy that Lori wants to date, and there's a lot of people still in the street. Yeah. That feels later to me. Yeah, I was going to say, it has to be a bit later, because, I mean, no kid, like,

Tommy and Lindsay, they're not going to be in bed at 7 o'clock. Yeah, that's what I was saying. I had to be. When I was growing up, we had to be in bed at 7. I figured. That's fucked up, Ned. It didn't matter. The sun was up during the daylight same time.

It didn't matter. For their age, she probably made them go to bed at 8 o'clock. That makes sense. Okay. Makes sense. You know, we asked the hard questions. Right. This reminds me of mommy dearest.

No, no more wine hangers ever. But you can do some major fucking damage with. And they do ruin clothes, so I understand Joan Crawford's dislike for them, but she was not like... Hey, let's not talk Texas politics now. Oh, Jesus. Don't go ahead. Sorry. Here's the thing.

I wasn't. You brought it up before I could. Thank you. See, Michael Myers has to be some kind of supernatural being. I mean, the dudes like got poked in the neck by beetle, stabbed,

then, like, hit me eye. And then somehow, and then gets shot six times later. And then it's like, oh, he's still going. No human could survive that. It falls off a balcony.

Exactly. And a few hours later, he gets pumped up with I think three more rounds before he goes crashing and through the glass door and then takes two headshots and burned up

and he walks away maybe he found a dealer in downtown Atlanta his way to, oh no it's not Pennsylvania his fucking Chicago or Chicago I forget

that damn it I was going to say maybe he got took a hit of PCP somewhere in the hood or something before I was just going to say he could have helped but this is Illinois right

but that You never know it was the 70s. It was the 70s. PCP was big. Well, did he know what it was? I mean, he was a little kid when he was locked up. They probably fucking prescribed it to him. He was in a mall.

You never know what was going on there. And is Lindsay wearing Tommy's PJs? Because she went over and just her regular clothes. Yep. Here comes Lumen's a purve. And I cannot do that anymore. Sit straight up like The Undertaker. I love that shot of Michael just slowly coming up in the background

because it almost looks robotic-like. Yes, it is. It's so detached. Yeah, Nick Castle did a great job and all the little inflections and movements of Michael. It's never been able to be duplicated. Not even Big Warlock could do it in part two. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Well, I know from what I've read, John Carper went out of his way to make sure to basically like make Michael Myers like no audience like Michael because he's not relatable in any way as a human being. He told him around two seconds that he's juiced into

thousands of dollars ever since. Yeah. And good for him for that, by the way. Yeah, he said he cleans up at conventions. Good for him. Get up those stairs, Lemus. Where did he get shot with that first one?

I'm sinking the chest. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, torso is a I got the rest of him. My theory, my theory, Michael Myers was wearing like a bulletproof mess this entire time. No, it's more supernatural

than that, come on, man. No, that doesn't have to the neck and all those other bullshit that he got hit on. Right. And I like how John Carpenter has no fucking explanation for it either. And people would ask them, like, look, I had to come up with

babysitters and a killer and one night and this is what I came up with. There's no, I don't know how, it is what it is. There's no mythology here. Don't worry about it. Exactly. Just go with it. Yeah, well, John Carp and Deborah Hill. I was going to say, like, John Carp and Debray Hill, they set out just to make this as a standalone. No sequels, nothing. So basically how it ends right here. But you can imagine, like, if something like this happened today, people would say like, oh, it's anti-climactic, like, what the fuck is going on? Right, right? Yeah.

But I think it works, because, I mean, if this, if, like, if you never, if they didn't make any sequels or anything, I guess you could chalk it up as that kind of supernatural thing. Like, he's, he is the shape, and then he just disappears into the night. Yeah. Well, and it's scarier if it's supernatural. If he's, like, just a regular person, you can take him out. Mm-hmm.

It's very 70s. I mean, in a sense where, like, that was a time of the war gate, those very dark, anti-Hollywood ending movies, right, that were kind of morbid in that way, where you were not getting that happy ending. So in that sense, it's reflective of the time. Yeah. You're absolutely correct.

There were so many movies it made in that era that they, whether they were meant to be a standalone movie or part of a series, whatever, Um, like, they had some sense of, there was some element that was anti-climactic. Hmm. Yeah. I mean, in something like Black Christmas, uh, Billy is not caught at the end. Like, he's still in that house. I was going to say, that's a good example of that.

And, you know, I would say, you know, that that film acted is a bit of inspiration to this. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So it makes sense. Because even like... Still out and about, huh? Right here we have the scene that became very standard

where you have the final girl kind of seen all the victims at the end, you know, and then she kind of has the encounter with the monster. And that really got introduced in Black Christmas where at the end she finds all the victims around. And that hadn't been done before, you know. Maybe it was done with some sort of gialo. But before

that, it hadn't really happened. No. And then probably the 13 really ran with it where we started in every film. You know, the fan of the people, you know, perfectly displayed,

like we were talking about earlier, or she was, went to all these rooms. But yeah, so this is a classic. I mean, what else in this to be said? Let's talk about how he got shot seven times

at the beginning of the part two. Oh, yeah. I forgot, I was going to say, Lance, there's a stand connection, because don't fear the rip. plays in this movie too.

Ah, there you go, Stephen. It all comes full circle. Oh, man. All right. Definitely want to thank you guys for all joining us, man. This was pretty cool, and it worked out great. So I was a little bit worried we might have too many voices on, but I think we pulled it off. So before we all say goodbye, does anybody have anything to plug and let listeners know what

you're up to or what's new with you? We'll start off with a first-time guest to our podcast, Stephen. What are you doing in Australia, man? Aren't you an American for fuck sake? No, man. No, man, I'm in Australia. I'm an American in Australia. Yeah, we started this theater company called The NAC.

And currently we're not allowed to do anything because of lockdowns and whatnot, but we've been running a sitcom that I wrote called Hey, is D-D-Home for the last five weeks. And the final episode is coming up this week. And you can check that out more information at the knacktheater.com.com. Yeah. K-N-A-C-K, like get the knack, right?

Like the old band, the knack, right? Yeah, yeah. Or the movie, The Knack and How to Get It is what we were thinking there as well. But yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking of Marjorona, the NAC. Yeah.

What's the website, Steve? The NACTHETTER.com. All right. Marcy and Bid, you guys have been on several times before, but what's, gosh, fuck, we're going to be here another 30 minutes. What all podcasts do you have to have? Well, we've been plugging our own stuff for the past two hours. so you can find all of our podcasts at supermarcy.com or just look up the supernetwork on one of your many social media platforms.

What she said. All right. Pedro. Well, we're currently on hiatus, but right now I want to take the time to say, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to another edition of the wrestling return podcast. Yeah. I want to talk real quick, really, really quick. Really, really quick. I wanted to talk about the draft.

We just had the draft with the WWE, where they kind of mixed all the roster around. I want to wake up Brian over there because I also want his thoughts on this. And they're about to get some blood money over in Saudi Arabia again for Crown Jewel, which is interesting because they promote these cards for the people that, you know, it's weird because they promote these big, big cards because they get 45 minutes. Indian from the Saudis to come and do a show for them. Yeah. In Saudi Arabia.

But nobody cares about those cards. So it creates this weird dynamic where you're getting like WrestleMania level matches. Yeah. Like right now we have Roman versus Brock, which is a big match, right? But who gives a shit? It's in Saudi Arabia.

It's on a Thursday night. You know, nobody really watches these matches. So it's just frustrating when they do these shows like Crown Jewel and they give us this big matches, but they don't have the hype behind them because it's like it's just another show, another Thursday night.

Yeah. kind of what's going on right now. AW is still on fire. You know, cooling down a little tiny bit, I think, from maybe like three, four weeks ago. I mean, there were super happening. But, you know. They're still delivering the good shows, though. Yeah, definitely.

And the work rate still great and the characters and whatnot. But that's interesting. I think we're in a great time in wrestling. I think, you know, competition is good, you know. And now we have somebody on Vince's ass who's poking. and saying we're here and we could take over. You know, it's come to a point where in some markets, AW has already exceeded WWE within the ratings.

So they're getting the exposure and the awareness. So that's going to lit a fire on everybody's ass and hopefully we get a good product for it. So that's pretty much my thoughts on that. Yes. And whenever you do do another wrestling show, ask me, because I have thoughts. Okay, good. Yeah, definitely. Don't ask me, I have no thoughts.

Ness, you have anything to say about all this? Well, yeah, AEW just is the shit, period. I mean, they got talent. That is your extra analysis, though. Yeah, I mean, I just love what's going on over there. I mean, I love how, I mean, I grew up by it. I don't get it. WWF, W, W.E, whatever you want to call it.

It's not like the old days when I was growing up, when everyone was drinking and all that before they went in the ring. But now it's so, the attitude era is gone, which, was probably some of the best wrestling we've ever got. But now the PG era and Vince just really pulling the reins on everybody, not letting everyone do anything, basically. And AEW came along and let their talent do what they have to do. Let them have their side hustles. And let them have their development of their characters.

So, I mean, whoever those guys are, they're like, all right, man, you guys do what you're going to do. But let's put on, let's have a good product to get everybody in there have a good time. That's what I love about. There's barely a weak point and I've noticed that with their shows. They all flow so well and there's nothing really negative to say because it all actually makes sense like you care about these storylines and random matches for some reason. They're just, they're doing such a good job and I'm happy to pay for the privilege to watch it every week through Fight TV. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, definitely. As far as Crown Jewel, I mean,

It is what it is. But the thing that I love about that when they have that there or the greatest Royal Rumble, I like that the not the people that are up front because those people act like they don't even care, not even watching the matches. They have recliners off from, folks, by the way. They don't have seats. They have recliners. Yeah.

I understand the royalty aspect of it. Cool. All right. That's your country. You guys do what you got to do. But I do love how the WWE universe over there, how everybody is super hyped. Yeah, they're way back there. But every time the camera swings to them, they're like just is excited because all they get to see it is on TV. And it's finally there for them. So I really love how a height that the fans that are into what's going on. But, yeah, as far as the matches, it's just the same thing that we see every week. It's the same, the same wrestlers, the same storylines. We see that every week.

And I'm just like, come on, I've said this before on the show. And when me and Brian are talking about it, you have all this awesome talent in the back. Why don't you bring them forward? What is Ricochet doing there? Ricochet should be a superstar right now. He was on his way to it. Yeah, that guy does some incredible stuff, more so than a lot of the guys that are over in AW. Brian, Brian, you got a chime in, brother.

Brian, you got to chime in, man, man. The draft was pointless. Crown Jewel is going to be stupid. I love what's going on with all these other promotions outside of WWA and put some respect on Dr. Britt Baker, DMD. That's my girl. He's doing a great job. He's doing a great job, yeah. Yeah.

And you know, one of the things that's so frustrating is that the WWE, their ego is so big because they are the monopoly, right? Like for Lance and Phillip who are non-fans, they think wrestling, they think WWE. They're so high and mighty that they don't even consider these people competition. And before you know it, they're on their ass. That's the problem. It takes been so long to wake up. And by the time he wakes up, he already has something he can't control. And they're sneaking up on them, you know?

And like I said, in the market, they've already overexper. seated. So he's got to wake up and he's got to say, I got to make some changes to my company. Because if I don't, then the business itself is going through an evolution and it's going to lead me behind. That's what he's going on.

So yeah, the whole scripting of interviews is bullshit. The whole like, oh, you have to kick and punch wrestling. That's bullshit. You have to go with the evolution of the business, which is good promos, which is good wrestling. And just get that

atmosphere of a party. Because when you watch an AEW show, it's like everybody's having a good time. Everybody's partying and, you know, I've been to a lot of live shows for AEW. I can't have been to three of them and it's like, it's phenomenal. It's a different experience, you know, whereas when you go to the WWE show, like, don't get me wrong.

WWE production is second to none. They're the best. Not even AWs as good as them as far as the production of a show. But the energy is not there. The energy from the fans is not there. Because only thing Roman reigns, like, They don't push anyone else.

Everybody has this glass feeling. They can't get beyond that. And so why should we care about these people if they're always going to get their feet cut from under them? So you have to give these people a chance, you know? And so that's what we're adding. That's what I'm saying. We're in a very interesting time right now because I think a year from now, the business is going to be completely different. It's going to be so different.

Yeah. Yeah. It's already different than it was a year ago. So now just imagine a year from now. It's going to be interesting. Anyway, that's what I got to say about. that. So thank you, thanks you for having me on. I had a good time. Yeah, thank you. Really, really quick. The thing I'm happy about the draft is I'm glad Shotsie Blackheart,

Tony Storm, Shanea Bazeler, and the boss, Sasha Banks are on Smackdown. That's all I care. Oh, meet your mic. That's all I cared about. Okay, we got to ask Vanessa. Vanessa, are you guys going to be introducing a wrestling side podcast to the VD Clinic? No. That would be a no. So what do you guys do? Come on. What do we do? We talk about, well, I would say books, but we haven't been reading as much lately. But we do read. Except for the boys.

Yeah. Oh, you quit reading, didn't you? No. Well, I'm not reading that anymore. But I'm saying, since COVID, it happened. We haven't been able to read as often because of like Darren's schedule. Anyway, but we do movies and books with a common kind of theme. And yeah, this month, like I said, we're reading Mexican Gothic and pairing that with devil's backbone. So sometimes we do like true crime because I've got a little bit of an obsession. Yeah. Yes, you do. And then Darren

pulls me into all kinds of comics things and we will probably be doing more of the boys' TV series, but I will not be reading more of that. I have I heard you see. I'm tapping out on that one, but

yeah. But the series I like. Yeah, and I have a lot to say about that. The show is so good. Yeah. Sorry, good. Well, we will listen.

And as always, we want to thank all of you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You could reach us at thehorrorreturns.com. Other than that, just go to www. www.thehorrorreturns.com. You can get everywhere from there. So, Brian, we had a mix-up, dude, and it was all my fault. Yes, it would.

Why did I think we were going to have us do antlers yet again? No, you wanted to do antlers over Halloween kills. You were almost insisting. So antlers was supposed to come out like two years ago, man. Yeah, don't worry. You'll get to watch you. All right. Eventually, we're going to get to Antlers, but next week it's going to be Halloween kills,

which is a good follow-up to this episode. So, Phil, until the horror returns again. Good night.