The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #283: Dune (1984) and Dune (2021)

Episode Date: October 24, 2021

This week, we are joined by very special guest Jack Falvey IV from BingeMedia to talk about the brand new Dune, as well as the 1984 David Lynch original. Cool of the Week includes Child's Play, Chucky, Nine Perfect Strangers, and The Trip. The podcast spotlight shines on Resurrection of Zombie 7. And we get feedback from Marcus Wilturner. Thanks for listening!

Greetings, victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of the world. language join us in celebrating the old and the new the best and the worst in horror welcome back one and all to the horror returns i'm philip again and uh with me as always is uh lance out in the middle of nowhere blink twice if you need us to save you wait i can't see you uh we got brian and uh tonight we have

have our second ever guest. Is that right? I didn't know that. Jack Falvey the 4th from Benj Media. How's it going, guys? What's going on? Glad to be here, guys. It's been a while.

Yeah, no kidding, man. I didn't talk to you in a minute. It's been, feels like about a year. Yeah, there's been a lot of stuff's happened, obviously. There was a whole suicide squad movie that came out, and, you know,

it's been a lot of stuff happening. If he can hear me. Yes, I heard that last little section. Lance is a little in and out right now. He's on location again. Yeah. Figures. At that damn cult.

All right. Let's start out with the cool of the week. Jack, what's coolest thing you see? Can you hear me right now at all? Yes. Yeah, I get you there. All right, so cool of the week. So just a little bit about what I've,

been doing over at bench media. Some of the listeners, I'm sure know, maybe you guys know too. I've been doing a 365 movie a year challenge. And for October, I decided I was going to do, you know, 31 horror movies and TV shows. And obviously, I've seen a bunch of different stuff over the past few weeks. It's been pretty cool. And the whole caveat here is it's all brand new to me. So I got to watch stuff that I've never seen before. So, you know, I, I've seen my fair share of horror movies, but there's still gaps, right? So there's some stuff that I've been trying to, you know, plug the holes here and there. Texas chainsaw two was one of those. Checked out the host, you know, the Bong Joon Ho movie, the others for some reason, never

saw that. It was another one. But I have to say, I don't think it's the best movie I've seen in the last month, but it was definitely the one where I had the widest smile on my face for the whole time. I watched Child. play for the first time. I'd never seen it before. That movie is fucking hilarious. Like, it's the greatest, like, non-Muppet Muppet movie ever made. It was so much fun. It was so great. Like, I got to watch all of them now. It's just, like, I love Michael Myers, but by far,

the number two, cemented in that, you know, hierarchy is definitely Chucky. Like, it's just, it's so bonkers in crazy. Brad Dorff's the man. I fucking loved it. Child's play was the shit. It was awesome. Nice. How did you miss that one before now? You know what? There's always, no matter what you do, there's always more movies, right? And it was just one of those.

Yeah, it was just one of those that was, it was always on my list, and I just never had a reason to pop it in. And then, you know, this past week, I finally did. And that was part of the reason why I did this whole movie challenge to kind of force myself to watch a lot of shit that's been on that docket forever, you know? So yeah, I was really happy I did this one. It was a lot of fun.

Nice. Oh, man, that's a hell of a cool of the week. Yeah, well, I figured, it's the horror returns, right? So I might as well talk about horror movies. Yeah, man, we'll take it. Brian, what you got? I don't know if I ever, because I'm doing the, I'm also doing the 31, but me and Lance

are going to, we do our weekly wrap up, so I can't really talk about them. I guess I'll have to go with episode two of Chuckie. Still entertaining, getting a little bit more on the back story of Chuckie. And it was a pretty, pretty nice kill in there. I think probably it was like 10, 15 minutes into the show.

Very nice kill. Gory. and yeah a lot a lot more going on as far as the gore and dropping f bombs than there was a certain other sci-fi remake that came out that i'll talk about in our 31 wrap of that was completely a little disappointing but i saw what they were going to what they were going for so tune in for that to hear about that movie i didn't even realize that was finally out i got to check it out yeah I think they're the first two episodes. You can go to YouTube to the sci-fi YouTube channel, and they're both on there. Oh, wow. That's too easy. Yeah.

All right. Lance, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes. What's the cool thing you've seen this week? See, I've been knocking out the 31 horror movies with Brian, so I'm going to go non-horror. Go off the reservation. You guys have Hulu?

Yep. Yeah. Nine Perfect Strangers. Anybody's seen it? Not yet. Oh, my God. It's a great cast. Michael Shannon.

Luke Evans. It's, I don't know if you guys ever saw The Good Place. One of the few sitcoms I've watched, but this actor, his name is Mani Jacinto. He's the weirdest dude ever. But Melissa McCarthy,

didn't even mention her. She's in it. It's pretty much at all sarcast. Bobby, of Ali, our man, Jack. Oh, nice. He plays a football player that's been traumatized, but these guys all go to a retreat.

And Nicole Kidman is the one that's running the retreat. And about the third episode in, at the end of the episode, one of the people that's in the retreat looks up at her and says, have you been dosing us? So she said she's microdosing them. But when you look at when you look at her putting all their fruit smoothies

together, before they get the morning started every day, they're putting in like two drops of acid. Nice. It's a fucking trip. It's definitely worth to watch. Well, speaking of Tripp, that's my cool of the week. The Trip on Netflix.

You guys seen that one? The Trip. Is the Andre... What's his name? Yeah, it's like a Norwegian movie. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's dubbed.

It's dubbed, and it's a... actually dubbed pretty well. Just ran across it on Netflix. It looked interesting. But it's like Tarantino-esque. Like, you know, it's not as good as a Tarantino movie, but it looks like they drew a lot of inspiration when they were making it. It's like this husband and wife go out to a cabin and they are trying to kill each other

because they hate each other and the insurance money and stuff. And while they're out there, they run into some bad guys who are also trying to kill them. And so it's just a whole bunch of people trying to kill each other. It's pretty great. Nice. The music is all Norwegian and kind of awesome. Like, who would have thought? All right.

I'm in. That's enough for me. But I was like, wow, I kind of stumbled upon something here. This is a really cool movie. It's a Norwegian like music like Eurovision? No. It was like real music. Oh, okay.

Ouch. Ouch. But yeah, so that was mine. All right. Well, let's roll on over to horror headlines. Brian, what you got for us? Very little, very little. I'm trying not to rehash on the same movies again.

I'm going to start with a little bit of non-horror news. We talked about Hayden Christensen coming back as Darth Vader for the Obi-1 series. Oh, yeah. He's just been announced. He's also going to reprise the book. role for the Asoka series as well. Oh, very cool. Interesting.

Yeah, I'm excited about that. Let's see here. Going off of our last episode where we talked about Halloween kills, David Gordon Green saying Halloween ends, there's going to be a four-year time jump between those movies. Good. There needs to be. And is that going to be like the last one? I mean, you know, sort of.

Well, and this. series until they rebooted a couple of years later. It's like the Kiss last tour. Yeah. Actually, it's funny. I just saw a kiss like a month and a half ago, so there you go.

On their 12th farewell tour, huh? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think Nez just seen them too a month ago. They're just people back there. Nah, who cares? They're wearing the car. Yeah, exactly.

Hey, Jack, you guys might have been at the same concert and not known it. Maybe. If we were, then missed opportunity. We'll have to link up next. He flies everywhere. He gets to fly for free, so he's a world traveler. Oh, awesome. Awesome. And I guess I'm going to end it here. Some good news for you, Lance. Hocus Pocus 2, finally filming.

There we go. You don't have to watch the same one every Halloween now. I'm sure I will. though. It's actually, it's filming all over my state, actually. About 20 minutes from where I live. It's been all over the place. It's on the local news all the time. They're like, oh, hocus, filming. I have a couple family members that, you know, signed up to be extras in, and I don't know if any of them actually got through or not. But yeah, it's all over the place here. I'm going to see you, Jack, cameo in it somewhere.

naturally I just got to figure out where I can fit it in my schedule you know I got a busy man you know what I mean is that on the roof back there why is he there we're going to have to call you jack o'lantern exactly and lastly FX will not be renewing why the last man for his second season and from what I understand it's nothing to do with the show it's over contract disputes with the actors crazy but from what I hear the creators are going to shop it to other streaming platforms

I mean I don't know if you guys were watching that or not I was not a big fan I kind of tapped out but I don't know just on name brand alone I'm sure somebody will pick it up like you know everybody's dying for streaming content that's like an established

thing you know so I sure it'll find a life somewhere I think you're not the only one who's tapped out of that one. I know Pete tapped out. I think Law tapped out. I'm trying to remember who else said it sucked. I think Law might have tapped out even before he tapped in, so there you go. I don't know if I tapped out. I try to give a show at least two or three episodes, but after episode one, I wasn't too keen on going back to it. So, yeah, a little rough. I think Law was too busy rewatching Ted Lasso. Probably. I still got to check that one out.

I'm excited about it. Do you? Yeah. I would say, nah, but you know. Really? Oh,

I've only given it two episodes. So, you know, we'll see how it goes. All right. Yeah. Pretty say it's great. I haven't seen it at all.

Actually, I've been hearing pretty much if you're neither going to love it. You're not going to like it. It's kind of no in between there. Well, that's not as glowing as good. And I'm, And I'm exactly in between.

So what do you know? All right, that's the news. Nice. All right. On down to the trailer park, where we bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. But this one, Brian, what do we got this week? Because of the genre, our main movie is changing it up with the trailers and a little bit more action. oriented and we're going to start with the Batman.

Yes. Wow. Synopsis here in his second year of fighting crime, Batman uncovers corruption in Gotham City that connects to his own family while facing a serial killer known as the Ridler. This stars, of course, I don't know why he's top build, but Peter Sarsgaard, Andy Circus, Robert Pattinson, Jeffrey Wright, Colin Farrow, Paul Dano, Zoe Krabbits,

John Totoro, and many others, directed, of course, by Matt Reeves. Jack, what do you think? And it's kind of interesting. I feel like whenever we talk about Batman, you seem to be on the show. I know. I know.

I'm always like waiting in the wings somehow. Which is funny because... Yeah, it's got to be it. But, like, Lance and I were talking a couple months ago and we're like, hey, we got to do a show. And I was thinking, you know, this was the right one to do. I had no idea there would be a Batman trailer. But, hey, you know, happy to talk about it. So, yeah, I mean, this was, so this was like the most substantial look that we've had yet at the movie.

I know that DC fandom was kind of bunk. I actually was one of the poor saps that sat through most of it just trying to watch the trailer. So that was my mistake. won't be doing that again. But yeah, I mean, I'm just, I'm ecstatic with how it looks. The look is right. The feel is right. I love that immediately there's already an iconic score in the trailer.

Yes. I love Han Zimmer and I love the Dark Night trilogy score. But it is definitely nice to hear something that's immediately, you know it's going to be iconic, you know it's going to be recognizable. And it just kind of gets you in the moment. mode of that like 1989 Batman you know the Michael Key stuff very very epic sounding

yeah yeah but I'm I'm so excited for it I mean it's it's my it has to be my number one most anticipated after that trailer it's just you know I'll just be waiting until March at this point so I'm in all the way in Lance

Jack they could put fucking Legos fucking dinosaur got plastic dinosaur and two guys hands on a YouTube video and if it's Batman, you're in. I mean, what's wrong with that? I'm a simple man, you know? Hey, Lego Batman.

Yeah, I like Lego Batman. This fucking trailer looks fucking amazing. But you know what? They kind of, did I get the, you guys get the same feel that I got that they're going to take up the penguin really quickly?

Like, I know, he's totally pumped out. He's getting the HBO Max spin-off series, so. Okay. Well, I mean, it could. be prequel, but he was in that car, right?

The Batmobile bumped off the road. Yeah, I... Oh, sorry. I was just going to say, I have some thoughts on what they might do with Penguin in this movie. I don't know if I want to say them because they might end up being spoilers, but I think that car accident may be more significant than the trailer makes it look like. Yeah, really? I think it might be.

Let's just say, the pack. Penguin traditionally has a very, like a strange way of walking, like, you know, almost like he was injured or his legs were fucked up, you know, something along those lines. Oh, okay. And plus, I think Colin Farrow playing the role because he looks unrecognizable and couldn't even tell about listening to him. That's him. I don't think they're going to waste this performance on one and done. I hope not. I hope not. I was pretty impressed with it. I like the way that they're making the Riddler into like a serial killer. Yeah. The David Fincher influence is massive. It looks like it looks like seven and then Ridler looks like the Zodiac. So I'm all about that shit.

Yeah. Looks fantastic. The Joker's not going to be in it, but he was fighting a dude that was painted like a clown face, right? Yeah. I wonder what's going on there. I'm trying to figure out what's going on there. I'm all about it. Fucking Robert Pattinson has given us nothing but great performances recently. So fuck, man, I'm all in. Yeah, same. But you guys, Phil, what do you think of this?

Dude, I was not all in on Robert Pattinson as Batman. And then, you know, I had always heard that they had complications on the set because he was nailing Zoe Kravitz Do you blame him? I don't call that a complication. Yeah, that's more of a solution. On the Batmobile apparently.

What? Are you serious? Yeah. Holy shit. What's the idea for that? A better place. Yeah. But, oh my God, this trailer

looks awesome. Batman looks unhinged. Like he, He's about to go out there and wreaks some havoc on people. That scene in the hallway where he's getting shot up and beats the shit out of those two dudes, oh, I love it. It's like Dark Vader coming down the hallway, you know? Yeah, yeah.

So much. What are you referring to? Whatever do you mean, Darth Vader coming down the hallway? What are you referring to, Philip? We've never seen that in a movie. I know. Yeah, dude. It was, I'm excited.

about this one. I am officially sold on it and I want to see more. I can't wait until it comes out. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm in all the way in. I think Paterson's going to kill it. Paul Dano's going to kill it. Interested to see what Zoe Kravitz does with the Catwoman character. And you didn't even know that was Colin Farrell at all? No. Like it doesn't even a little bit look like him.

and then we didn't even really talk about i think geoffrey wright is a great actor to play uh commissioner gordon yes yes absolutely so yeah i'm all in and i'm hearing interesting things about where the second one's going so fingers crossed yeah i kind of like seeing andy circus in there yep yep and that's that's a good pig the other thing not to harp on it too much, but I mean, it's, you know, Batman trailer. We've got to talk a little more than the other movies maybe. But one of the other things I really like in the trailer is, because I've watched the trailer more times than I care to admit, you know, they talk about how this is like a year or two

story for Batman. Like, he's done some stuff. He's not exactly a professional, quote unquote, professional crime fighter yet. He's still kind of figuring it out. Right. There's a quick shot in the trailer where Batman is at the top of a building and he's He's about to kind of leap off and glide down. If you look carefully, he's wearing a wingsuit.

So it's almost as if we'll see in this movie, like the evolution of some of his gadgets and some of his, you know, his methodology and stuff. But I like that it's going to be a little bit rough around the edges and not necessarily as polished. I feel like they touched on that a little bit with the Christian Bale movies at times. but ultimately, I think once Batman gets down to it, he's very confident and very, like, sure of his abilities in those movies. Kind of like the idea of taking it from an angle where you have a guy who maybe is not as mentally stable yet as we would like to see him or as we've seen him before.

You know, I think that's really uncharted territory. It's really cool. How do you... It ought to be a brutal Batman. I like it. How do you feel about the Batmobile? Because I know there was some people that didn't really care for it. I like it because to me, this is the beginning stages of what the Batmobile is.

Yeah. I think it looks awesome. And look, I mean, I think you guys know, I'm a huge Chris Nolan fan. I love the Batman trilogy. Really? Yeah. Oh, shit. Headline.

We got a scoop here. Hey, no. It's a fan. Hey now. Hey now. But no, when it comes to Batman, I always want the next Batman movie to be the best Batman movie.

So I'm down with that Batmobile design for this movie. It looks correct. I don't know how else to describe it. It just looks right for at least what we saw in the trailer. So I'm in. I'm totally in. I don't see any.

And there's nothing here that is like a warning sign to me. This looks like a total slam dunk for me. But, you know, maybe I'm putting the car before the horror. but, you know, we'll get there when we get there, all those caveats. But I think it looks very strong. Is it going to be better than the Christopher Nolan? Who knows, man? I definitely want it to be, you know, but that's a tough act to follow.

Yeah, I know. We'll see. At least the Batmobile's not too over the top, like with huge back wheels, like a monster truck or something like that. I mean, what's wrong with that? What are you trying to say, Your Lance? Come on. And this comes out March 4th, but before we get to the next trailer, Jack, was there anything else from a DC fandom that caught your eye?

I mean, I saw the Shazam footage that seems all right. I like the first Shazam well enough. That was okay. They did show a really short clip from The Flash with the Michael Keaton Batman silhouette. I was hoping to actually see. Michael Keaton, I thought it was weird that they just, like, I don't know, they didn't really show much of anything from that movie,

but that was kind of cool. I mean, there was a ton of stuff. There's the Gotham Knights video game that I guess is going to be coming out. Co-out, right? Yeah, it looks like it. And it's supposed to be post-Arcum Knight, so Batman is not in the game. So we'll see how that is.

But, yeah, not much else. It was a lot of focus on the CW shows, you know, And they did show the trailer from the Peacemaker series, which looks pretty cool. And some Aquaman footage as well. But, yeah, not a ton that I really cared about. I unfortunately was sort of gobsmacked by that fucking abomination. But, you know, whatever. You're saying the Peacemaker is going to be a series?

I thought it was just a spin-off movie. No, it's a full series. Yeah, James Gunn directed. directed and edited all of it. Oh, man. You think St. Nick can carry that? Oh, I think it's going to work. And I'm going to call it now.

I think the character in it, The Vigilante. I think he's going to get an H-Meo series. Yeah, they're just spinning off everything. But, I mean, it makes sense, right? All these studios are going to do that. Did you guys, not to get off on too much of a tangent, but did you guys see Bond a couple weeks ago? Yes.

I have not really, I haven't. I was going to, but I didn't really hear anybody talk about it. And I took about that was not a good thing that nobody was talking about it. Yeah, me too. Gotcha. Well, the one thing I'll say. Disappointed me, but. Well, the one thing I'll say about the movie is that I think it's pretty clear that if Amazon has some sort of like distribution rights to bond now or some sort of deal in place,

they're absolutely going to spin that off. So the same way that Suicide Squad does with Peace Maker and all this other stuff, you know, I think Bond is going to be the next franchise that they're finally going to crack open a little bit and be like, okay, let's finally, let's do some spinoffs. Let's create a shared universe, right?

Because Marvel does it, so we all got to do it now. I see what you're saying. Yeah, Amazon bought MGM, right? I think so. I think so. At least bought their catalog. It's hard to keep track. Yeah, it is.

Mostly, Amazon and Disney owns everything. Where the end of the line is. And penis-shaped spaceships. Yep. That's right. All right. Moving on to our second trailer, a movie that is probably going to raise our Netflix rates again

is the $300-plus million-dollar action movie Red Notice starring Dwayne Johnson. and Ryan Reynolds and Gao Goddott. You don't sound excited. I really care about this movie. I was just trying to give us something to talk about. Let me get a quick synopsis.

This is the trailer I missed, so you guys go ahead. Yeah, and I do mean quick synopsis. And Interpol agent tracks down the world's most wanted art thief. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and, after this trail,

I'm going to go ahead and path on this movie. I don't give a shit either. I like everybody involved, but this just looks like every generic, you know, action comedy. Yeah, it's not going to be for me. Maybe it'll be a decent flick. This is the kind of movie that my dad will watch, and he'll be happy to watch it,

and then never think about it again when it's over. So, you know, I'm good. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm probably not even going to think about it until they release it. I like everybody involved, but just watching it. It just looks like a generic heist movie. I don't buy Gal Gadot as I don't know if she's supposed to be the villain or what. I don't know how she's playing this role.

Ryan Reynolds is doing his Ryan Reynolds thing. Exactly. It's nothing new. And there was nothing in this movie that I saw that cost $300 million or how much ever they spent making this movie. so. Cast. Yeah, but there you go.

That's where they spent it all. Yeah, it's straight up is a generic one, but with a pretty good cast. I mean, you're probably right. It's going to be very forgettable,

but I can't imagine it's going to be like terrible. Exactly, though, but that's the problem. It's part of this like, I don't know, these, this,

what do you call it? It's very kind of play, I'm sure. Yeah, it's just like these okay movies. you know like it's okay but I don't I don't care about okay I want I want a great movie I want I want to either love something or hate something or have an opinion about something like if you're just throwing something at me that's like yeah well you know it's kind of fine I mean

okay so not to talk about this too much but it's like you said doing the Ryan Reynolds thing right well if he's doing that in every movie then I why don't I just watch like a good Ryan Reynolds movie where he's doing that, like a Deadpool or something. You know, like, Free God, freak out it was good. Yeah, I still got to see that,

but, yeah, but I don't, I don't know. It's just, it doesn't, I don't feel like there's much here for me, personally.

Yeah, as far as the Netflix movies, this looks like it's going to be slightly better than six underground, but not as good as extraction. Yeah, that's where I'm going to put it. The only red,

the big red flag for me is at Netflix on there, because they've, they've, they've come out with some movies with some really good people in it that should have been way better and then are totally forgetable. So it's possible. Although I sort of felt the same way about Jumanji before I watched it. And then it turned out to be kind of great. So we'll see.

Well, pretty soon Netflix is going to be $99 a month, you know? Yeah, that's true. There's other ways. And then nobody will buy it. Let's see. release date for this is there a release date like it was in November November 12th on Netflix

and now to the final one which you guys are going to have to kind of clue me in because I've never played the games I think I maybe played the first one for a few minutes and that is uncharted synopsis the story is a prequel of the game starring Holland as a younger Drake showing us details of how he came to meet and be friends Sully.

This stars Tom Holland, Mark Wahlberg, I can tell by Lance's laugh. He's not into this movie. Antonio Bandelos. Ben Denderos. And other people. So, directed by Ruben Fletcher, I believe he did

the Zombiland movies. Oh, okay. Okay. That's, that got my attention. I'll jump in real quick I don't care looks like another generic movie I do like Tom Holland and Mark Wahlberg I don't care

I know nothing about the games maybe that's probably what's not attracting me to this because I've never played them but I don't know if I'll see this in the theater but I'll probably check it out eventually after it's out there so Jack yeah so I

have played all of the Uncharted games and I love the Uncharted games. Some of my favorites. That's why I hate this trailer because it's horrible casting. It's been going back and forth for the past like 10 years, I want to say, with this fucking movie.

I mean, at one point, Mark Walker, he was Drake, right? Exactly. He was going to be Drake and then I don't know who was going to be Sully, but in the game, so in the games, Drake is like, let's say 33 years old, right? 32, 33. Sully is supposed to be in his 60s. He's got a mustache and he's chomping a cigar, right?

Mark Wahlberg is not Sully. He's just not. I don't know where this is supposed to fit in, whether it's a prequel to the games, a sequel to the games, or whatever, or if it's totally its own thing. But I am just completely uninterested in this trailer. Not to mention the fact that they very poorly used a Led Zeppelin song in the trailer which just annoyed the fuck out of me. Carry on. Yeah. So I

I'm like I didn't care about Red Notice but there's like a 10% chance I might give Red Notice a shot if the right people told me it's okay. There's a 0% chance I'll see Uncharted. Ouch! Ouch! That worries me.

Especially as a fan of the games. And I heard somebody talking about it. This is supposed to be a prequel, but that whole plane scene was a scene from one of the games? Yeah, yeah. There's many scenes from the games

in the movie, but there are four main Uncharted games with Nathan Drake. And like the the plane scene happens in three. It looks like there's another scene that happens, I think, in the first one.

It's just all over the place. and, you know, I'm not, look, I'm not saying that they need to follow the story in the games. Obviously, that hasn't really worked out for a lot of video game movies. I'm also not saying that they need to completely do their own thing or whatever. But the character dynamic of Drake and Sully, if you don't have that right, then I'm not going to be able to go with you on all the other shit. And they just fuck that up right out the gate. So I like Tom Holland. I like Mark Wahlberg.

I don't like him in this movie. so they can fuck right off. I'm not going to watch this. All right. I'm sorry, was that harsh? No, it was spot on. I think you guys are forgetting, you guys are being too harsh.

You're forgetting a great Hollywood tradition here. Let's make every video game movie fucking suck. I know. They're bad at that, huh? Who else remembers the House of the Dead for fuck's sake? I mean, my God. We reviewed it, so. We did review it.

And we reviewed it on Is it really that bad show, right? Yeah, it really was. Has there ever been a good video game movie? Jack. Ever. Okay, so I'm not going to say that it's a good movie, but the one that I can watch is the first mole of combat.

But again, I'm not saying that it's a good movie because it's not. But, like, Point made It's the most watchable one I can say that much Except Mario Brothers Well Mario Brothers Is watchable

Yeah Mario Brothers is watchable in a terrible way What about you Brian? Has there ever been a good video game movie? I gotta agree with Jack It has to be Mortal Kombat Because it kind of just came out at a time where I guess I didn't know much about movies

and I was just kind of like this is probably the closest thing to a good video game movie that there is and then they came with the sequel. This is kind of cheating a little bit but I, you know, I might actually say that my favorite video game movie is the King of Kong a fistful of quarters.

Oh, if we're doing that, can I say the wizard? Yeah, for sure. All right. What about the Witcher? Does that count? Oh, wow. I'm still going to watch the Witcher.

I'm reading the books right now. See, that's why it may not count because it's kind of based on books too. I'm reading the books as we speak. I read 100 pages this morning. I just mark it off. This looks terrible. You have fucking Spider-Man falling out of a plane

and then jumping on a box? and then fighting gravity by literally jumping upward toward the plane jumping on another fucking box. Give me a break, man. Come on. He's Spider-Man. I mean, Nathan Drake.

Oh, it works. All right. If anybody wants to see it, it is coming in, let's see, one of the dump months, February 18th. Ouch.

All right. well VOD Is that the last trailer Oh, I'm sorry I'm looking at the trivia This is early stages of production Mark Wahlberg Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci

We're all slated to be in the movie With David O'Ruston Wow That sounds more interesting That's Joe Peshy No Wait a minute Pesci would have been perfect, Jack

What you're saying, right? I don't know. No. Okay. I haven't played the game so I can't speak to it. The perfect casting, okay? And I know it doesn't make sense because their ages don't line up. And obviously, one of them is passed on now. But the perfect casting would have been Nathan Philean as Drake, which fans have wanted forever. And then Sully, you would need somebody like a Bert Reynolds. And that would be perfect.

Ah, okay. Okay. I see where you're going now. Yeah. They just, they completely. completely, completely fucked up the casting. Oh, man. Who's still alive that would be kind of like a modern-day Burt Reynolds?

Yeah, I got to think about that one. Is Clint Eastwood too old now? Oh, you know, you know who would work? Tom Selleck. Well, okay, Tom Selleck. But you know who might be able to make it work

would be Brian Cranston. Oh, I bet you Brian. Oh, okay. Man, they missed They missed the mark there, didn't they? Big time. Or maybe a hawkeye. He could pull that off.

Jeremy Renner? Yeah. He's too young, right? No, for the younger guy. Oh, for the younger guy, okay. Yeah, I can see that. All right. Uncharted.

We finished it off with that one, so. Listen to feedback. Oregon, I'm making a better movie than what they showed us. Yeah, somebody help us. Somebody bail us out here. So from what I'm getting, just go play the games. Yeah. Some of the greatest games ever made.

Go definitely play this. All right. On to listener feedback. This week, the podcast Spotlight Shines on Resurrection of Zombie 7 podcast. The Resurrection of Zombie 7 podcast focused on horror, print movie franchises. The host and co-host of the podcast go through each movie of a series before wrapping it up and moving on to the next horror franchise. They go into depth with each movie discussing plot holes

and comparing each movie to the rest of the series. Sometimes humorous, sometimes informative, and always entertaining. The Resurrection of Zombie 7 is the podcast that goes bump in the night. Ah, what they think of Friday the 13th? They'll be doing that for like 12 years. When's a farewell tour for that, motherfucker? No shit. or Halloween.

All right. And we're going to give a shout out to Marcus Will Turner this week. He's keeping us up to date on his 31 day of Horrathon. So far, he's checked out 17 movies and counting. He left his full reviews in our Facebook group, as well as the Super Network group. But we're going to give you guys a little preview of each one here. First one was the fog. During last October, this humble Schmo

discovered there were two films out of John Carpenter's illustrious catalog that I had not yet seen. Prince of Darkness and the fog. And while Darkness won the inevitable public poll on which to watch back then, I nevertheless made a mental note to take a gander at this misty thriller when the time came.

Number two is... Marcus has a way with words, isn't he? He does, man. Yeah, I'm... I'm really glad he's doing these reviews now. Yeah. Like seriously now. I'm glad he watched the original Fog and not the remake.

Superman in it. Yeah. And we got number two is Butchers. Part Texas Chainsaw Masker, a hint of the Devil's Rejects, and of mice and men. What? He got my attention. This unofficial wrong-turn sequel of the year that leans further into grotesque savagery than any other element in its story.

Rather expeditiously, I might add. Wow. Not a bad movie. Yeah, that sounds good. It could start a quick. Number three is come to daddy. I love that. Hey now.

Oh, yeah. What kind of movies are watching? All right. A strange paternal relationship makes some of the strangest outcomes. I bet they do. Number four. Number four is I see you. Now, this is a suspense.

I love that one. Did you? I never saw it. Yeah, Brian gave it a cool of the week. Yes, one of my favorites in my 31 so far. Ooh, he's got some nice words for it. He says, this was a suspense and misdirection worthy of Alfred Hitchcock, or at least Dean Coons. Big difference there.

Well, still, that's big words, man. Yeah, although Dean Tunes did Odd Thomas. He wrote that, which was one of your favorite underrated movies, Philip. Oh, yeah, dude, I love that movie. Yeah, Phil, you've seen I see you with Helen Hunt. Oh, yeah. Man, I didn't like it. I haven't seen it.

You didn't like it? I don't think so. If it's the one I'm thinking of, I'll have to go back and take a look at it. Ah, anyway. Number five is unhinged. It's a grim and vowel reminder and a lesson in how. bad, how one bad turn creates another and that there's nothing wrong with being courteous on the road despite traffic conditions.

Beats the alternative, that's for sure. That was, uh, what's his face? Russell Crowe. Very, very large Russell Crow in that one. Yeah, Russell Crow got large for the nice guys and just stayed large, right? Yeah, it's easier. Although he's going to have to do something about that pretty soon because I don't know if you guys heard about this or not,

but Ridley Scott is very serious about doing Gladiator 2 and like pretty quickly. Oh, shit. He looks like that and it must be a, he's doing a voiceover or something. Yeah, it's got to be. The animated Gladiator. Exactly. So I don't know how he ended up looking like that in the afterlife. So.

A lot of grapes, you know what I mean? All right. Number six is Brightburn. James Gunn asked What if the child discovered He, what if a child discovered

he possessed fantastic, fucking some of a bitch? Read it three times, Philip. Like you do when you get really drunk. What if a child discovered he had possessed fantastical

Superman type abilities and instead of saving people, he did whatever the fuck he wanted to with zero sense of morality. conviction or conscience. Just be a little murderous crumb snatcher.

That one was good. I like that one too. Yeah, we saw that when we were driving back from the Rocklahoma one year, remember? Oh, yeah. We were probably still drunk. And then we got Joker for number seven. Whatever doesn't get makes you stranger.

You're next. That one a lot, y'all liked that one a lot more than I did. Oh, you didn't like it? That's right. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. What about you, Jack?

The Batman fan. I liked it a lot. I thought it was, uh, it's great. It was solid. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's nothing new. It's Scorsese. I mean, it's like five Scorsese movies with the Joker.

But, uh, no, I thought it was interesting. It was kind of unique for a comic book movie. But, yeah, I like it. Something. tells me we may see him again against Pattinson. I don't want that. I don't want that.

I think you might get it. I would think more of an aftermath. Maybe that's why the guys had their faces all painted. Maybe. Anyway. Number eight is your next. I know I was so satisfied by the end credits.

I almost lit a cigarette. And I'm not a change of it. Was it good for you? Damn right it was. Number nine is howl. Nothing like a modernized British werewolf story to get the heart pumping. And that's what I got with howl, a polished yet grisly romp on a train. I haven't seen that one.

I haven't either. This is a pretty good one. Pretty good werewolf. Werewolf's on a train. Number 10 is, it follows. So remember, kids, abstinence is power. Well, it's still a good movie. Number 11 is Fantasy Island.

Oh, shit. Sorry, Marcus. I suppose this trip back to the island beats ends up being no one's fantasy. Maybe the studios should just pick better shows to adapt these days. Something to contemplate. Any ideas? What do you guys think? What should they make?

What TV shows should they make into a horror movie? Three's company. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. They should just do something original. Three's company might work. It'll get canceled. Episode two, watch.

Have Jordan Peel make happy days. Oh. Okay. Yeah, the days weren't so happy for people of color back then, were they? Yeah, maybe there's an angle.

I don't know. That could be an angle. Yep. Creepy and, like, you know, like the whole place is all zomified and hypnotized and stuff. Exactly. I want to see a montage where the Fonz is trying to like bang on a jukebox and then starts

up like a five on it. Well, you know, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck it is. Whatever Jordan Piel wants to do, I'd be interested. Do you mean the actual Fons or somebody else? Either or. I don't know. I'm sure he still has to lock in the basement.

I'm sure he still has the jacket. So I'm sure he does. Number 12 is crawl. Storms, floods, and gators. Oh. Yeah. Number 13 is head count. I've never seen that one.

It says, going in blind helps with the experience of an expectation because this is a suspenseful and marvellously tricky little film. One that keeps you in knots till the end. I might need to rewatch this one down the line because it's one of those that requires it. just so you can decipher more of what you witnessed. I don't know what that is. I think I've seen this one on Netflix. Huh. Check that out.

Yeah, I'm going to put it on the list. Number 14 and 15 are Evil Dead 1 and 2. Outstanding. It was only a matter of time before I hailed to the king once more, and that time is now. My first two rewatches of the month, and they're both fucking winners. Time to get some.

Nice. Number 16 is crampus. In this day and age, everyone has a criticism towards someone else's love, and it's a practice that needs to cease, or at the very least, tone the fuck down, because there's really so many better examples to unleash negativity upon. And to be honest, seasons aren't one of them. This includes Christmas season. They're about to drop a 4K director's cut called The Nottie Cut with a new

scenes added to it. Okay. Are you interested? Yeah, I'll check it out. All right. And number 17 is dark was the night. Well, this was certainly a chore and a half. Oh, you, boy.

Maybe skip that one. Yeah. Bye-bye. All right. So, Marcus, you took up all the listener feedback this week. Thank you. And our show comes to you from Steve Carlton of the League of Geeks. The artwork is from Natsulani.

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We finally got some T-shirt. So we're sending prizes. Galusory. And now, on to our featured attractions. This week it's Dune, the 1984 version and the brand new remake. So we're going to make you wait a little longer and start with 1984. A Duke's son leads desert warriors against the Galactic Empire and his father's evil nemesis to free their desert world from the emperor's rule.

director's David Lynch also known for Eraserhead and Twin Peaks writers David Lynch based on the novel by Frank Herbert writer and director David Lynch turned down Star Wars Episode 6 Return of the Jedi

to direct this movie telling George Lucas it's your thing it's not my thing I think that worked out for everybody Sir Patrick Stewart was at the time completely unfamiliar about who Sting was as a musician. When meeting him on set, he asked if he was a solo artist, to which Sting replied he was in a band called the police. Stuart, totally unaware, thought Sting played in a police band.

So Patrick Stewart doesn't know music. When did the police were like 70s? Patrick Stewart, I'm sure knows classical music, you know? Yeah, yeah. Whatever pairs well with Earl Grey T. I don't know if the place is. Now, maybe solo sting from like the 2000s, maybe, but, you know, we weren't there yet. All right.

Well, Jack, you want to take it away? 1984, Dune. What did you think? Yeah, this was a first time watch for me. So this was part of my 365, you know, movie thing. And I'd heard a lot about this movie over the years because I'm a huge David Lynch fan. I just, the older I get, the more I like David Lynch movies and TV shows and just a guy. It's incredible to me that he's got this creative output that across four decades, he really hasn't changed his style at all.

He's been the same guy. His projects sometimes are very in terms of like what the subject matter is, but in terms of feel. You always know what you're in a David Lynch movie when you're when you're in it, you know. This is the one that I have to say feels nothing like a David Lynch movie. And I'd heard that forever. I mean, he pretty much disowned the movie, didn't get final cut on it, didn't get to do the things he wanted to. There's so many things to say, but I think the first thing that I noticed was how ridiculous the narration in this movie is. and it goes on for the cut of the movie that I watched,

it was about three hours. The narration, it never stops. But the constant narration kind of lets up around the hour 20 mark. So at least that was something. But yeah, it was just painfully obvious that they had no idea how to get the ideas across with this movie. It was just like, it's so much exposition and so much needs to be explained.

And, you know, even at three hours, it still felt like this movie was the trailer for the movie, which is kind of weird, you know. Yeah, weird edits, huh? Weird edits and some time jumps, too, you know, especially in like the second half of the movie when they, you know, in one scene, Lady Jessica's pregnant. in the next scene there's like a seven-year-old girl. Yeah, it just, there was a lot of weird stuff there. I will say it had the feel of really out there science fiction of the time, you know, and I did like that. It's easy to forget that, you know, Return of the Jedi was out and E.T. was a thing at this point.

There was a lot of science fiction out there that was going in one very particular direction. And the thing that I do like about this movie is that despite all that, Dune is trying to do its own thing. It has its own visual identity. And, you know, I think David Lynch had his reasons for why he wanted to do things a certain way. You know, the cut of the movie that I saw opens with the emperor talking to this gigantic fucking floating, I don't know, scrotum sack monster lord or something. I was trying to figure out what that was.

Okay, I thought I was just like, man, I guess I just don't have any idea what's going on in Dune. I just read the book like three months ago, and I don't remember that character. Yeah, that's the thing that throws me. It's like there's a lot of stuff that I don't, I just don't know what the hell it is. That's one of them, you know? So yeah, it just feels like a movie that's full of a lot of ideas. It maybe needed to be a couple of movies or a series or something, but, but yeah, they just, I don't know,

it seems like Lynch got in over his head on this. The studio didn't know what to do with it, chopped it up, tried to make it something, but yeah, it's just, I don't know, it's not a horrible movie. It's just you can tell that, like you can tell that it's made with a lot of care. I don't think that really anybody involved with this is, is, you know, not being sincere.

but it just comes across as very confusing, very disorienting, and even scenes where there aren't narration, there are characters who are just literally telling you what they're thinking, which is the same thing as the narration. So I don't know. It was kind of a mess. I mean, what did you guys think? Brian?

Okay. I have a soft spot for this movie. My dad introduced me to this movie. movie. When I really started getting into movies, he was, you know, if I was into horror, he suggests this movie, that movie, and then sci-fi, this was like one of the first, uh, outside of Star Wars and Star Trek. He was like, oh, look, you know, check this one out. And the, the main thing I love about this movie is the world that you're introduced to, the, the technology, the different languages, the, you know, just the, the planet, the spice, you know, the whole idea

of the, what is it, the Quizac, Hatterack, you know, the super, the supreme super being, you know, even the, the, the Bennigessorid sisterhood, you know,

with the, with their weirding way, the voices they use to, to influence people to do what they need them to do, and how they were just kind of in the background, you know, controlling things, you know,

kind of steering things in different directions. I just love the world they built in it. And I, I thought, even though some of them weren't that great in it, I thought the cast was amazing. You know, some of them didn't really have that much to do with it. You know, we get very little of somebody like Brad Duroff is in it for a minute. Virginia Madsen's like Top Build, and I don't even think she says anything in it. Yeah, I was wondering that.

The narration at the intro. That's about it. But, yeah, I've always loved this movie. something I've always wanted to see, get a remake because I just thought the world that we were introduced to was just so rich in

ideas and technology that I just wanted to see updated. And I still love it. I watch it from time to time. I always love it. I just think that last scene's badass when Paul he doesn't need that module

no more. And he can kill what the word. I always thought that scene was badass. or he just screams at sting and just opens his chest up in the ground at the same time. A lot of bad ass stuff in here that I still enjoy. But that just might be my bias because I've seen this movie when I was real young. So, but I still love it. Nostalgia is a motherfucker. Yep.

All right. Lance, what do you think? Oh, man. See, so I'm a little bit torn. because I just re-read the book pretty recently, and I've read it when I was like in high school. The book is a masterpiece. Make no mistake, the book is pure high fantasy in space.

As a matter of fact, I think that our good friend Jar Jar Martin got a lot of inspiration from Dune because the way the chapters are written, each character has like a chapter, right? So like it goes from one house, and then in the next chapter it's the next house. you get a lot of that in Game of Thrones and all that, of course. So I'm a little torn. Oh, man.

There were some scenes in this movie that were directly out of the book that I was like fist pumping and some lines. And there were some scenes and lines from the remake that I was fistpumping because, oh, they got that right, like the Chris Knight, which they didn't even talk about in this one. God only knows why, because that was a really big part of the book. That's like a tooth from one of the sandworms. I mean, for fuck's sake, it's like, it can, it's like adamantium in the Marvel universe, right? It can cut through anything.

Yeah. So I was very disappointed by some of the things they left out. Unlike you, Jack, dude, I'm not a David Lynch fan. I've tried. I've tried. There may be one movie out. Did he do The Elephant Man or was that someone else? Yeah, he was the Elephant Man.

I love The Elephant Man. That was a great film, but I just can't get into Lynch. It's just too weird, sickening, like, gross, you know what I mean? Like the green colors and the pus oozing and just, I don't know, not my cup of girl gray, you know? Speaking of which I thought Sir Patrick Stewart was perfect. I mean, he is, when I was reading the book,

he's what I pictured as that character. Nothing against Josh Rowland in the new film, but he was perfect. And because he was kind of playful. Josh Brolin in the new movie, we'll get into it, but he takes it a little too seriously. Because that character in the book, I mean, like, he plays music. He's a bard.

He's a poet. He's a menstrual. And he's also a master fighter, right? And he trains young Paul and protects him. But I don't know, man. Like the guy from Game of Thrones. Sure, sure. So I'm a little bit torn.

I kind of want to hate this movie because of the visuals of it. I can't blame Lynch for the for the special effects because that was just what they had in 84. But I could have sworn I was watching somebody play asteroids there for a minute. Man, that was a hard thing to watch. Speaking of King of Kong, but I don't know, man. Shit, having read the book pretty recently, I loved part of this movie and I hated part of this movie. That's it. All right.

Man, I don't know what I think about it. You know what? I do. I've tried to watch this movie twice now. And I fell asleep both times. So there's that. Yeah, that 80s, that 80s computer animation is, boy, special effects in the 80s were either really good or really fucking bad. You didn't like when they put on their shields and they look like Minecraft characters.

Exactly what they look like. But like worse. Yeah, that was, that was nuts. but I will say though, and I know it's a combination of, you know, some rotoscoping and stop motion and all that stuff, I do think that Lynch does a pretty good job with the sandworms. Given the fact that, you know, it's the 80s and all limitations, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I actually do feel like that's one of the bright spots in the movie for me is just the scope of the sandworms. I think it's a pretty decently well-done job. Well, it sounds like he took on one hell of a project and just with the constraints of the time and trying to fit all that shit into one movie, it just didn't really work.

Was it just me or was there a lot of phallic symbolism? Oh, definitely. The hunter-seeker was like a floating dick. And some of the buildings seem to be very phallic, a lot of the Little Mermaid DVD case. You know, I don't know. It was Bezos. He went back in time and these are just giant ice.

Very nice. Well said, man. But yeah, it was kind of just okay for me. I had a hard time making it through it. It's not something I want to watch again. All right, let's go scores. what do you think? Oh,

hmm, that's kind of tough. The original Dune, it is. See, now I can understand given the limitations and what the what Lynch probably tried to do

and, you know, having the benefit of hindsight on this since, you know, we're going to talk about the other Dune movie. It's just a difficult story to get ideas of cross. I can kind of sympathize a little bit with that. I didn't hate it. Yeah, I didn't hate it. It's just, it seems like, I don't even know that Lynch had narration in his original cut of this movie. I feel like maybe he didn't.

And he was relying a little bit more on visuals. And I have no idea what his final cut of this movie would have looked like. But just based on what I know of him. That would have been a different movie because not only did they have the over narration, but, like when they were thinking something, you can hear them whispering what they were thinking. I'm like, this is terrible. Right. So,

horrible. That just seems really at odds with what I know of David Lynch as a filmmaker. You know, like it doesn't feel like that's his choice. That feels like a studio's trying to piece together what they can from something that they just have no idea what to do with. So I don't know. I kind of got to go with a five on ten.

for now. I don't want to hose this movie because I do think it's been pretty influential on other films. Yeah. You know, but it doesn't, it's not, unless you have the nostalgia like Brian does, which is great, you know. But I just don't have that. So it's, it's tough for me to, tough for me to like this movie very much. Outside of just like a passing sort of, yeah, I can kind of see, I can kind of respect what they tried to do sort of thing. So I guess five on ten.

All right. Brian, bring us back up. I guess I'm going to be the high man, because this is for me, eight on ten. I love it, man. I love it. Phil, you said nostalgia, it's one hell of a drug. And I took a big hit on this one because I don't know. It just brings me back to a time where, like I said, my dad

was just introducing me to, you know, trying to broaden my, my mind on movies and stuff like that. And I just, that's awesome, dude. I just love the, the world that I was introduced to. And, yep. And we'll talk more about it in an updated version here. But yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's an easy eight on ten for me. Very strong. Lance, what do you think?

Yeah, Brian, I hear where you're coming from, dude, because I had that relationship with my father. he's gone now he's been gone for seven years but like one legacy that he left me was movies because he would always take me to to these movies he took me to see the elephant man for fucks sake when i was pretty young so showed me the elephant man too i'm telling you yeah yeah it's it's out there it's waiting to be done um but wow yeah that really man i i understand where you're coming from because i mean all of us love Indiana Jones, all of us love Raiders the Lost

Stark, and all of us love all the Star Wars movies. So none of us are going to say anything negative about the original, you know, the older ones, like the ones that Dad would take me to and really got me into movies big time. But man, for crying out loud, I totally get it,

Brian. I understand where you're coming from and I understand where your heart is. I've got to give this one a five because I'm so on the fence about it. I wish I wasn't. I wanted to like it so much more. They got some things right. The Quisach-Hotterak, which they barely

mentioned in the new film. Oh, man. And I know they say it, but they say it in the language from the planet. And they don't, I don't know, man. There were scenes in this maybe that really got to me that I felt really, you know, in the moment. I hate to say the special effects

took me out of it, but fuck, they did, man. Let's just be real, right? I mean, I'm so on the, fence and I hate being so on the fence, but five on ten. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. We didn't even really talk about some of the characters, like the Harkonans.

Yeah. Or the Harkinens. I don't even to look at in the new one. I don't know if that's the correct way or not, but I will say, I love the casting in this movie. Like across the board, you have a bunch of Lynch regulars. You've got some

alumni from Twin Peaks, or I guess at this point it was before Twin Peaks. You know, the guy who's playing Baron Harkinanin, he's like deliciously disgusting. Yeah. You know, Sting just hamminged it up

is awesome. Oh, yeah. And, you know, Kyle McLaughlin. We're in the speedos and flexing his skinny muscles. It's so awesome. He just came out to sauna, so. Yeah, what else he going to do?

And Baron, he makes somebody have to milk a cat for the antidote every day to stay alive. I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me? But yeah, there's a lot that I like about the movie. That's why a five seems harsh, but it's, I don't mean it to be. There's a lot of elements that I respond to and I enjoyed. But it's just the finished product.

I came away from it thinking like, man, I don't even really have a great. grasp of what happened, you know? Or like this, and, you know, we'll talk about this a little bit more in the updated version, but it is so hard to track the political in and now, like, plotline in this movie. Yeah. You know, like, I'm trying. Did it pretty well. Yeah.

Starvis did that pretty well. Yeah. Well, like trying to understand the nuance of, you know, the Harkinans own this planet. now the Atreides are going to take it over and this is bad because of X, Y, Z. Like, that's all very, very poorly done in this movie. You know, it's almost impossible to know why any of that is without either reading the book or doing some homework after the fact. Yep.

And that's kind of a cardinal sin, you know? Yeah, I agree. AJ watched this with me and she was lost. Yeah. And I just told her, look, if you've read the book, you'll get treats out of it. If you haven't read the book, you're lost. Yeah.

Yeah, that's... And, you know, the movie should work on its own, and it kind of doesn't. You know, it's... Brian, maybe this will make sense to you, but there's an Andrew Dice Clay movie called The Adventures of Ford Fairlane, right? With Motley crew. That's right. It is not a good movie, okay?

But it's a movie that I've been watching for my entire life, okay? So I have that nostalgia thing for that movie. It's impossible for me to watch it and see the bad in it and like dock it for that. You know, it's just there's something about the cheesy douchebaggery of dice that works on some like primal level for me that I can't fucking shake, you know? And Robert England's in it too. That's right. So I totally get it where it's just like it's too, it's just ingrained. right, for you?

Like, this movie is just, it was like a foundational movie. I'm sure that you see stuff in other movies that you pick up as references to this one. And, you know, there's a whole, like, level that it's communicating with you on that you can't really,

you can't do anything about that. You know, like, it's just, it's always going to be there kind of thing. And I totally respect that. I wish I had that for this movie because it would be nice to have more science.

I'm a huge sci-fi guy. It would be nice to have, have more solid, unique science fiction worlds, right? On film. But, you know, we haven't talked about the new ones. Maybe we did get it eventually, so we'll see. Well, exactly like you were just saying. And this, I feel like could have been one.

Except, like, when I watch Star Wars, I don't see 80s. It's just kind of timeless. And this, dude, it is 80s as fuck. 80s A.F. Yeah, man. Yeah, I think I'm going to go five, too. I wish it was better. Kind of like Tron, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. This was very Tron-ish. Or that knockoff Star Wars movie that they did. I can't even remember the name of it. It's fucking terrible. I kept thinking of Flash Gordon while I was watching it. Yeah.

So it's that kind of 80s. Tell me. which which which which which is hard you know it's hard for something like that to be timeless and if it was like goofy and short and fun that'd be a different story but it's long and like you said you kind of lost the entire time it's it's it's a giant epic story and it's hard to condense that and still make it make sense yeah all right let's move on to the brand new dune and we're stretching this one into two movies, right? Uh, yes. Let's see if he makes money, right? Well, if they made the deal right, I would, that we'll get into it. Yeah.

Oh, okay. All right, well, this is the feature adaptation of Frank Herbert's science fiction novel about the son of a noble entrusted with the protection of the most valuable asset and most vital element in the galaxy. Uh, director is Denis Villeneuve, also known for enemy and a rival. What did you say? Dene Louis?

Pretty close. Might as well be. Writer are writers are John Spates, Rick Roth, and Denis Villeneuve. Composer Hans Zimmer is a big fan of the novel Dune and turned down working with frequent collaborator

Christopher Nolan on 10 to score the film. That's a bird. Yeah. I'm fine with it. I love the music and tenet, so it all worked out. I still got to watch that one, man. I started what, like, I tried to pick up halfway through and I was like, what is that?

No. No, no, you can't do that. That won't work. Or maybe it will work. Maybe that's the way you're supposed to watch it. Yeah, that's true. Maybe it's easier that way. No, I don't know.

I was like, I don't understand how this works. So I got to watch that one from the beginning. number one on letterboxed most anticipated lists as of January 21 2021 it's maintained this spot for over a year because we've been waiting for this fucking movie since the 80s I think we'll get I think we will get a part two um all right uh Jack what you think about the new one all right so I'm a big I'm a big venue fan I think I've liked or loved all of his movies that I think I still got to watch on Sandes, but otherwise I've seen all of them. And I, to me, he's on the same level as Nolan. I think that they're both similar filmmakers. I think that, you know, especially after this movie, I think this movie's going to do well. I think it's going to be

a calling card for him forever. I think after this. They're both very serious filmmakers, am I right? They're both very serious. They're both invested in the cinematic experience in filming everything in the camera, you know, or as much as possible. and I think after this movie the same way that Chris Nolan makes a movie and it's a Chris Nolan film I think from now on it'll be a Denny Villeneuve film like

solidly cemented his name now nice nice but uh... I think it will be I think it will be because it was really cool to watch the 80s dune and watch this dune in close proximity to one another because you could see

the way that storytelling has kind of involved and the confidence that I really think you got to give Warner Brothers some credit on this because this movie gets through a monumental amount of exposition in a very efficient way and it sort of trims the fat on a lot of little things like for instance you have you obviously have the Gomja Bar scene right and you have to have that because it proves that the Benjazzarits see that maybe Paul does have something that is outside of himself. Maybe this is, you know, the quitsat-a-da-ach. Maybe it's, you know, it's that guy, right?

You know, things like Fade. Fade is not in this movie. And it seems like he's been eliminated from the story, which is sad for Sting fans, but it actually simplifies the Harkin inside of things, right? Okay, yeah. So that you have one less character that you have to focus on while we're bouncing from planet to planet and all this other stuff. Little visual clues. For instance, when the, I can't remember his name, Huywat, the, the Atreides Metat.

Okay. When he goes to think of something in his mind, the visual cue of his eyes rolling in the back of his head. That was cool. of, but he also kind of tells you immediately like, oh, this guy, his mind is like a computer, you know? Yeah. And the, the Harkinans, what's his name is theirs? Yeah. Pokeda, peter.

Yeah, exactly. Piter. But then other little storytelling things. Like, for instance, the first time we see Paul and Lady Jessica, she says to him, like, you know, make me give you the water. and in one scene you understand what the voice is, the power that it has, and the dynamic of

like Lady Jessica knows something and she's teaching Paul. It's just really efficient, good exposition that's happening in the scene. I was, sorry, Jack, I was a little bit worried they put that scene in too quickly because Paul hadn't developed enough yet

from where he was in the novel at the beginning. But now that you explain it that way, I mean, it was a more efficient way to do it, right? Yeah, that was the biggest thing I noticed was just little, little tweaks, a couple of things that were sort of left out. But I felt a better, I had a much better grasp on what was happening, why it was happening. I think that's something that's missing from David Lynch's dude is the why behind a lot. Oh, yeah, great point. And yeah, I just, I really responded.

into a lot of this. I really, again, same thing as the other dune. I really like the casting. I don't have a problem with anybody in this cast. And I love that it's a, it's not something that's in your face, but I definitely thought about it after the fact.

It's an incredibly diverse cast. You know, you get the sense that, I don't know, it's representing humanity in a way. It's representing people from a lot of different walks of life. I really like that. And then the sound in this movie is astoundingly good. I don't know. I don't know that I've ever heard a movie that sounded as good as this.

Yeah, they'll be some Oscars for sure. Yeah. The whole way that they convey the idea of the voice to you through sound was so, it was so cool. Yeah, I feel like I'm going on a lot here. So somebody else, please pick up the ball and run with it here. I don't want to dominate. But yeah, I really, really think this movie.

Well, I agree with you, especially with the storytelling part, because this is missing all of the completely unnecessary narration. And it just lets you figure it out. And with better acting and better visuals. And every scene in this movie is just so epic and beautiful. And like you see the. scope of how big everything is, you know? It's...

Absolutely. It's gorgeous. It's really fun to watch. And like you mentioned, it sounds great. I love the cast. I don't have a problem with anybody in any of the parts. The barren guy is creepy as fuck. I'm excited to see some more of him.

So, man, I had a really good time with this movie. This may be one of my favorites. the year. Damn, strong words, man. Brian, what do you think, since you were such a fan of the 84 one? I really love this one, too. It gave me everything I wanted. Everything was updated.

I felt the pacing of the story was great. The casting was amazing. The score was amazing. Denny, like, one thing I know when I'm going to his movies, the visuals are going to be on point always. Yeah. And there was nothing, nothing I hated about this one. And even, even because I, like I said, I was just into it.

I didn't realize, you know, the movie was about to be over and they ended it at a certain point. And, of course, me being a fan of the original one, you know, they crammed a whole bunch more in there. And I was perfectly fine with where they ended it. Except I still wanted more. Yeah, exactly. I was disappointed when the movie was over. Yeah, I don't know of the main guy, Timothy, Shalachame. Shalaman.

Shalema. Yeah, I have no idea who this guy is, and I thought he worked well as Paul. He's been on a lot of good stuff. See, I didn't mean he's great, though, right? Oh, he's amazing. Can I read you his rap sheet here? Because he's actually, he's had an incredible. incredible fucking run when you look at the directors he's worked with.

All right. So, actually, let me just confirm this first one. Yeah. Okay, so he's in this movie, men,

women, and children, which is a Jason Reitman movie, okay? So a couple of years later, he is in Interstellar at the beginning of the movie as Matthew McConae's son, okay?

I don't even, I don't even remember that. Yeah. A few years later, he's in, Call Me By Your Name, which was that, you know,

pretty big Oscar movie from a few years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was in Lady Bird. He was in Beautiful Boy, a rainy day in New York, the king, little women. He's in the French Dispatch, Dune. He's going to be in the new Adam McKay movie coming out soon. He's playing Willie Wonka in a Wonka remake. Okay. This guy is on an incredible, incredible run so far. He's just making really cool choices with the directors he works with. And I don't know. I just feel like, This will make him into the kind of megastar. At least I think it will. But yeah, he's great. I mean, he was a perfect choice in my eyes for Paul Atreides.

I mean, I don't know. What do you guys think of him? Yeah, I thought he was great in it. And I'm really, you reading off that filmography, I got to dive in a little bit more and see what he's about. So this kid's definitely winning an Oscar at some point. Yeah, yeah. it'll happen for sure also i loved rebecca ferguson and i i love her and everything she can definitely use that voice on me whenever she wants you can matter of fact you don't have to i'll do what

you need me to do yeah uh love zendaya i thought oscar isaic for for what what he did in the movie i thought he was good take out a trash lance i have to go with josh roland i just like his betrayal of the character the that's right it's not true to the book it's not true to the book it's not smile, Gertie. I am. He's Thanos. I mean, come on. Josh, that's pretty awesome. I would have liked to see a little bit more from Batista, because, I mean, you know, they call him the beast,

so I kind of wanted to see him a little bit more brutal. He barely shows up in the book, so they've already extended his part. I think that he will end up having a little more to do in the next movie, though. Just because of the fact of the fact of he isn't around. I think you'll seem a lot more than the next one. That makes sense. He looks scared. And I like Jason

amoa as Duncan Idaho. I thought that, you know, he was fun, definitely, and he definitely kicked a lot of ass in this. And I, I just liked everything that was updated. The technology was up. I mean, of course, you know, it's 2021. You know, we can't have Minecraft

characters running around. And I just like everything was updated. and yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. I didn't know how I was going to feel coming into it, being a fan of the original one, but I loved it. Lance, what did you think? I'm not that big of a South Park fan, so I kind of wish I knew who the characters were,

but there's a particular meme. Oh, man, I'm glad that I went to an early filming of this because when the visuals kicked in on this, I was like, there's a meme of a South Park character sitting on a toilet and there's like white stuff all around him. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Thanks. Dan Marsh. Ectoplasm. Yeah, it's a damn good thing. Nobody was, you know, two or three seats next to me because I was fucking geeking out big time on the visuals. This is one of the most beautifully shot films I've seen in years. And, I mean, Arrival was my favorite movie of that year, if you guys will remember them. This dude's got something going on, but was it all sizzle and no stake?

See, I don't know because they got the Chris Knife in, which was very important, huge part of the book that they totally left out of the first movie. But there's some things that I'm just kind of like disappointed about. And I don't know, I knew going in that it was only going to be part one. And when the opening credits, you know, roll, it says Dune and then, you know, it fades in part. part one, right? I knew it was going to happen, but I guess I'd have to say I love this movie so much that I was super disappointed when Zendaya turned around.

Oh, well, spoilers, hold on. Well, not really. I mean, everybody knows that this is just the first part of the book, so I'm not giving anything away. Okay, I think the casting was 20 times better than the first movie. Brian, you said the casting in the first movie was good, But in my opinion, Sir Patrick Stewart played a much better version of that character. And other than that, fuck, I mean, Chuckie was great, right?

Chuckie was amazing. Oh, so good. Yeah. So those are the two characters that I think were better than this one. But other than that, fucking picking this guy for Paul. Okay, look, I could not buy in the original film. I couldn't buy that that character was as young as he is in the book. That's what threw me on.

I think they picked an actor that was way too old. Yeah, Salome has got a weird mix of maturity, but he also looks like he's 15, so it works. Exactly. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, perfect casting there. Oh, man, this was a beautiful film. Is it my best of the year? I don't know. There's been some pretty good stuff that's come out this year. Psycho Garmin kind of comes to mind.

Oh, woof. Which is, fucking woof. That's funny. And I liked old, and you're going to say woof, aren't you? I haven't seen it yet, so. Ah, you'll add it to your 365, man. There you go.

The binge boys, the binge boys shit all over it. But, uh, we'll see. We'll see. I don't know, man. This was, this was a visual masterpiece. I think it was great casting.

I love the way that the desert people actually looked like people that would live out in the desert. The Freeman? The Freeman were perfectly cast. I didn't, I didn't, there wasn't one Freeman character that I dislike. Now, the doctor that they met up with,

they changed that to a female character in the book and then the first movie that was a male character. I never have a problem with that if it's done well. Right. And I didn't have a problem with it here. And I think she was perfectly cast.

And I loved, oh, my God. Well, yeah, the, the, the Max von Sadiq character, sideout character was a female in this one. Right. Yes, exactly. And he was good in the first movie, but I think she was even better. And I absolutely got chills.

When you saw she was standing on that ledge, and she pulled out the spikes. And I won't say anything more. Oh my God Because that tells you a little bit about I really I can't say what I thought was going to happen in this one yet

There was some stuff that I really wanted to see regarding the worms that we didn't get to But I know we're going to get to in the second one And the mastery over it and stuff like that But oh wow Yeah It was a very well done movie I thought it was much better cast

I thought it was well shit It's almost unfair to say it was better Special Effects but you could have done better in 84, I think, than what we got with that one. Well, yeah, there's some great special effects from the 80s. You know, I mean, you think about like the thing and, uh, well, even, you know, Star Wars stuff.

You know what? You're right. I should quit making excuses. It is what it is. This one was done very well visually and, uh, I just can't wait for the second one. I'm just so disappointed that it ended up.

We did a fucking book for fuck sake, man. Give us more. Man, I wish they had filmed them both together and we knew the next one was coming out in six months. That's all I have to say. Yeah. So just to add a little bit more, one of the things that I really appreciated about this movie,

and I actually, I think that Blade Runner 2049 did something similar, but I think Dune does it more so. Blade Runner feels like a world that you know a bit. You know, like there's at least, there's at least like a world there that I'm familiar with, right? I can see Los Angeles becoming the world of Blade Runner at some point. This was so much its own thing that even little details reminded you that you were seeing something unlike anything you know. Right down to the, I can't remember the name of them now, but the helicopters that they have.

the fact that they Thorna coptors yeah oh yeah that's one thing I noticed I thought these were done very well that's what I visualized

when I was reading the book in the first in the first one not not so much but this is exactly what I visualized that stuff like that the fact that when

oh god I can't remember his name now but Javier Bardem's character when he first meets Duke Leto and he spits on the table and they all freak out you know

again it's a scene of like oh Oh, we got to get some exposition here just so the audience knows. But at the same time, I mean, where would you ever pee on this planet where somebody spits on a table and it's a sign of respect? Yeah, we welcome your moisture from your body. I was like, whoa. Well. I just, yeah.

Have I got a few. Back to the South Park name, huh? Exactly. But there was so much stuff like that where I just felt like, like, Like, it was completely its own world. It was nothing like anything I'm familiar with. And I appreciated it so much for that. I just thought it was such a cool world, such a cool scope to it.

And, God, we didn't really talk about it that much. But the first time that you see a sandworm in action in this movie, the scale of that was incredible. Absolutely incredible. That's true. Yeah, because they said this is a particularly big one, right? Right. I love what they also did with the sand surrounding them because that wasn't really a factor in the original one. And this one, the worm could be miles away, but, you know, that sands caving in and it just becomes like quicksand.

Yeah. And also the... Shades of tremors there. Oh, for sure. Well, that's all. I literally thought of tremors while we were watching this movie. You know, the moment where Paul and Lady Jessica are running to a rock. And immediately, I'm just like, wait a minute.

That's right. Yeah. Did fucking Trevor's, like, were they, was the writer of Trevor's reading Dune? And he was just like, hey, what if we just paired this down a little? I guarantee you. Guarantee you, he was. Guarantee you. Well, we obviously can't make this into a full movie.

But let's just take the worm. Yeah, wait a minute. Trimmers, that was an 80s movie, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. That was early 90s. Yeah, it's not. Okay, all right. Fair enough.

All right, I'll be quiet then. I'm talking to something. They still did it there. I just loved, you know, again, being a huge science fiction fan, I loved the feeling that I was seeing something that was completely its own world, its own story, its own mood. It was just so different. I loved that about it. It's difficult to put into words just how great it was.

But it really, it was just everything. I mean, from the opening moment of the movie, before you even see the Warner Brothers logo, you start hearing throat singing from like the Himalayas. And all of a sudden, you're just like, what the fuck is that? It's scary, but it's also like wondrous in a way. So interesting.

the voice. When you hear the voice in this movie, it's otherworldly and strange. It's disturbing and scary, but also like awe-inspiring. It just, there was so much that was thought through in such a great way. I just loved it.

I really loved it. Like I saw this yesterday. I've been thinking about it all day. I really, I think I'm probably going to, as soon as we're done here, watch it again. Because it just,

to absorb from the movie, you know? Well, and then the, like, the hand in the, well, I guess we, can we, let's do spoiler. All right, let's go scores, scores, and then we'll do spoilers. All right. Jack, what do you think? Score. I, this is easily a nine on ten for me. I loved it. This is right in line with all of film news, other films. I can't wait to see the next one. And I feel like there's a ton in this that you can go back to and check out. I mean, we didn't, fuck, we didn't even talk about it. But the

scene where one of the one of the Bony Jesuit priestesses is talking to the Baron and there's this like fucking spider thing on the floor. What the fuck was that?

That goes in spoilers. That was a question. That goes into spoilers. That goes into spoilers. Oh, sorry, but that was like, holy shit. Zins did, baby. Well, we already, we already

talked about it. So I thought it was a great scene because, you know, it's sitting there eating and she wants it to leave. She wants it to leave and he was like, he doesn't understand you. And then she does the voice and it clearly understands and gets

the fuck out of there. Crazy. Crazy shit. Well, I won't say any more until spoiler shit. Nine and ten. Nine of ten. I'm going to agree with you, man. I think it was an easy nine on ten and it may, it may go up, man, I want to watch it again. I had a feeling you were going to say that, Phil.

That doesn't happen to me very often, you know? Like, I watch a movie and I'm like, oh, that was really cool. Even really good movies. I don't immediately want to watch them again. This one, I want to be more immersed in this world. Like, I can't wait. I wish I had seen it in the theaters. Oh, you should.

It's not too late. It's not too late. Well, Lance, you said you saw it in 3D, right? I did. How was that? The three didn't make that much of a difference. It wasn't like Jason three. You know, we're just throwing axes at the camera or anything.

But it might have made it a little bit more lush. But that was just the showing I was able to get to. I would have preferred the IMAX viewing. But that one, I would have gotten to my mom's house too late to do any work. She's been working me like a dog. This weekend. I'm so fucking exhausted right now. But in fact, I'm probably saying shit I probably shouldn't say because I'm so out of it from being in the heat all day, which you are every day, Philip.

Ah, yeah. My hat's off to you, dude. Physical labor, man. But, yeah, it was, 3D didn't add that much, I would say. Okay. But I still, I want more from this movie. Like, I left it wanting to watch it again, wanting more experience, wanting to be more. more immersed and learn more about this.

This makes me want to read the book. It's kind of hard to spoil it, quite frankly. I mean, there's not too much that happens in this. Maybe that anybody listening doesn't already know. You know what I mean? Well, I guess that's true. Yeah. It's not there's a big twist.

It's not imnight, you know? Right. All right. Well, I'll get to my hand in the box scene after this. Brian, what was your score? Dick in the box? Oh. Whoa.

different movie. Terrifying. I got to go nine on ten. This movie gave me everything I wanted, and I wanted more as soon as the movie was over. And I think, because I know this was one of the holdouts originally when Warner's announced movies coming to HBO Max, and there was a lawsuit, I'm going to say that when they said,

settled things. Part of the deal was that they could make a second one. That's what I'm hoping for. So there would be no problems, you know, as far as like box office draws and stuff like that. But how's it doing? I haven't checked, but I think it's doing well. I think we're all rooting for it right now. Yeah.

So, but yeah, easy, easy nine on ten. I think that just based, I mean, and I don't know how this translates in dollars doesn't sense, but the sheer bad blood that it would create if they were to never make the second film, that would do massive damage to the Warner Brothers brand. So I think, I don't know, crazier things have happened, obviously, you know, but I think it's fairly safe to assume that we probably will get the second one. So we'll see. Lance, what was your score?

I think, I think Denny Villalue knows what he's doing here because, yeah, I think you guys are right. I think there's 0.000, 0.001% chance that Park will be made after this masterpiece because this is a brilliantly shot film. I'm only going to give it 8.5 and here's why. Two reasons. There were a couple of scenes in here to me that dragged a little bit. I don't know if you guys felt that. Probably not. It sounds like you guys didn't.

Yeah, because I think, Brian, you said, before I knew it, I was at that last scene, I'm like, is that it? Yeah. So, to me, it dragged in a few little places. I'm definitely going to rewatch it. As soon as I get back home, I'm going to watch it with AJ and ask her how she compares it to the 84 one that she, like, zoned out on. I don't know what the fuck is happening here. shit the other reason that only gave it eight and a half i totally forgot so maybe i'm going to give it in nine i honestly can't remember what the second reason i was going to say that that's what happens

with doing a live podcast boys but uh i guess i guess i would say if anything i was disappointed when you got that last shot when somebody turned around and said this is only the beginning and I'm like, oh, here comes the credits. Because I knew it was coming, but I didn't want it to come. And the fact that it did just pissed me off, just angered me and got me down from nine to eight and a half. I can understand that. It was, it was, it was, I mean, it's good to be disappointed at the ending in that sense because you want more. But man, it's, I feel like they just cut that motherfucker off in the middle of the movie.

This should have been one long, giant long movie. It's like, it's like when your wife is. having sex with you. You're almost at the climax, and she says, I'm done. Okay, never... Brutal. All right, let's move on. All right.

Spoilers, it is. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Okay, so I do have a question, though, since we were talking about the spider thing.

Lance, was that in the book? I do not remember that in the book at all. Now, it might be- Okay, so here's the thing. So you've got Dune, and then you've got Dune Messiah, which I'm going to read next, right? That's the second book. The third one is called Children of Dune, and it's like, it's a big time jump, right? Where it's Paul's Children, right?

and then there's like five or six more books at least and then Frank Herbert died and then his son Frank Herbert's son took up the mantle and wrote like three or four books George R.R. Barton, are you listening to us? Somebody can take up the mantle you lazy fuck and finish your goddamn books for fucks sake man. God damn it that pisses me off but anyway. Well we get will we get the book before the new Game of Thrones series. No. He got burned out. He's not going to do it. He got burned out in the middle of the story. It sucks. You think so, man, that sucks, dude, because I love the Targaryen book that he wrote. And I really thought I was going to hate it because it was like reading a textbook, right? Doesn't know what the new series is? That's what the new series is. It's the history of the Targaryen family. And it goes like, it's kind of like reading the Bible or something, right? It goes like over a hundred years span or 200 years span. and I'm like, I'm going to fucking hate this. I got, I burned through it like two days.

I loved it. The guy can write for fuck's sake. I just wish he would finish the goddamn books. Well, once he spends enough on blowing hookers, he'll run out of money and have to finish it up. You know what the real problem is? Yeah, that's true. The real problem is we all put our faith into a fucking Jets fan to, you know, get us across the goal line here. That's the problem.

Out. out. Thank you. Bringing up football, go Cowboys. All right. This is the year. Get back to your point. Oh, shit.

Yeah, five and one. Go Cowboys. Get back to your point, Philip. It's shit, man. I don't remember that creature. Maybe it's in one of the later books. Do you guys think that's a person that the Baron's a babe? I was trying to figure out what it was.

And I think on Reddit, somebody mentioned that that might have been added to show that the Harkinans, like they participate in some sort of like biological fuckery of some kind. Some kind of genetic engineering shit. Yeah. Like I haven't. So I have the book. Yeah. I have the book sitting on this desk here.

I have not read it yet. I'm like 90 pages in. I got to get back to it. but so I was hoping to get through it before this podcast just to have like full knowledge of all this stuff. But, but yeah, I don't think that that actual creature, excuse me, is in the book, but there are references somewhere. Yeah, but Lance, are there like references to the fact that the Harkinans do something with like genetic predisposition or anything along those lines? Not really. Not so much, man.

It doesn't go into that so much. it kind of sticks to the story. So, I don't know, maybe in the later books, I'm thinking. But where I was going, when I started with the spoiler thing, was that hand in the box scene, I liked it so much better in this movie. Well, yeah. Fucking beautiful. Like his, the look that he has when he looks up and. like focuses is perfect you know like that tells the entire story that was the moment that was the moment

where I just I really started to appreciate this kid as an actor you know um because they don't have to show the cheesy cutaways to the hand on fire they're trusting the audience to understand that it's it's pain you know it's just like she says what's in the box pain and you as an audience member are respected enough to understand that oh that's that's all kinds of not good, right? Yeah, great scene. Absolutely flawless execution. And I also like they added Rebecca Ferguson in there

because, you know, what she's dealing with on the outside. Yeah, what she's dealing with. Good, good point. Well, because he may die, you know. If he fucks up, she stabs him with a needle, which was, like, dangerously close to his neck. Like, yeah. And that lady's pretty old, man.

All it would take is a little tremor to. yeah Rebecca Ferguson nailed that role for sure man that was much better than the original I like I like the added stuff they threw in there like Jack you were bringing up the Javier bed bar down with the spit and how you know we're getting a little bit of their culture he was cool another thing like with Jessica that they didn't do in the original one is the

language and the the the hand signs you got that scene where She knows that lady, the housekeeper, brought a blade in. And she's giving her guard hand signs. And she gives them hand signs and telling her prepare for violence. Are there subtitles on that scene? Yes. Yeah. For the hand signals.

Okay. There weren't in the one that I watched. I'm going to have to find it. Copy. At least there wasn't voiceovers, right? Yeah, because it comes into play later when they get kidnapped and they're on the plane. And she signaled to Paul saying, If we're, you know, one of them's deaf and the voice is not going to work on him.

Oh. Yeah. So cool. So fucking cool. And an awesome visual thing. You know, you can't, you can't fucking convey that with a goddamn voiceover. You have to see that as an audience member. So well done.

And none of the subtitles were on there on the one that I watched. So she was just hand signaling and I had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. But just from the, just from the, Like, we could have turned the sound completely off on that movie, and I would have known what was going on. Yeah. Yeah, it's phenomenal storytelling. And, again, just to bring up another, like, thing that's in the spoiler category, the beam of silence that shows up. What a fucking cool idea that was, you know?

Again, using the film and what you have as a filmmaker to convey the idea of what's going on on a screen. It was so masterfully done. and just I'm kind of jumping all over the place at the end when he's when he's in that the fight where where the guy you know who's your champion and you know Paul steps up yeah and he's besting him and Javier Bardem looks at his mother and it was like is he is he toying with him and then she's like no he's never killed before so you know you get these little things about his backstory that they don't really have to go in deaf in because, you know, you just kind of,

okay, he's not playing with them. He just never killed a man before. So, yeah. Man, the best, epic movies are the ones with the one, you know, Matrix, Star Wars, Dune. And, sure.

Damn, that's a good point. You're, you're just really watching him make that journey and they do it so well, especially in that. The hero's journey. Yeah, especially in that scene with the fight where he doesn't want to kill that guy, you know, and you can tell he

doesn't want to. But he's more skilled than he is. And he already saw himself jumping up out of the sand and tearing people up. That was a great scene. I wish it wasn't such a, I wish it wasn't a dream. I can't wait to actually see it. But, uh, but, uh, but yeah, like his fight scene with that guy was fantastic. I loved the storytelling in the fight scene.

You know what I mean? with that whole thing going on. And then he finally is like, all right, well, I guess this isn't going to end until I kill him. And he just fucking does it. Yep. Everybody comes to take his water. Yeah. Hurry up, get his water.

Yeah. Everybody got your straw? All right. Yeah, we're good. But that guy had to go, though. He was challenging Javier. You know, he was like, you just, how can you lead it? when you just got bested by a woman.

Yeah. So that was another cool thing that I assume is also a thing in the book. But so throughout the movie, we see a lot of Paul's visions induced by his abilities and also, like, his ingesting of spice. Right. I really liked the lead up to that ending where there are suggestions in his visions that it's going to be somebody you don't expect that gives you the blade. And it'll also be like somebody will guide you through. this wasteland kind of thing. And in those visions, he's seeing the guy that he eventually goes on to murder, right?

And he's seeing him as the person who's going to introduce him to this land. And what he doesn't know until that moment is that it's actually in his killing. And that metaphor that is the thing that elevates him to be, you know, on the path of the Kuitsatatatara and all that stuff. So I love. There was some smart shit, son. But I love that some of his visions are premonitions and things that we see, and he sees them as they happen. But also, at the same time, other visions that he has are something different entirely. They're like a reflection or an idea of what's coming.

I thought that was so cool. And, I mean, Lance, is that something that's part of the novel as well? 100% totally part of it yes they capture that perfectly see and that's such a cool because then you can continue to show the visions and not just be giving away pieces of the story you know right yeah without too much exposition right yeah love that love that thought it was so unique so interesting and it kept you as a viewer in my opinion it kept me guessing like I didn't necessarily

know okay you know now we've established that his visions are not not always going to be exactly what happens. And I think that's narratively something that's really cool for this movie, but also is going to be really cool for the next movie when it comes out. Because we may see things that Paul sees, but now we as an audience understand that that doesn't mean that's the way it's going to go, right? Not literal. Not literal.

Sometimes it's a vision that you get that's leading you toward your goal, but you don't understand it at the time. Well, it's the whole matrix, the difference between knowing the path and walking the path. I mean, it's the same idea. Well, and like Zendaya and this one, like, I'm looking forward to seeing her because in this movie, she was like out of a music video. You know, that's the only time you ever see her is in the visions until the end. And that scene, that's what I loved about the scene at the beginning when it showed the warring factors on the planet. they talk about that in the book, but they never actually give you that.

And in this one, they gave it to you, which I really loved. And that gave you more of the dude from Gardens in the Galaxy. Help me out here, guys. The dude from God Galaxy. Yeah, Batista. Yeah. Batista, thank you. Rub in.

Because he's barely, I'm telling you right now, Jack, you're going to find this out. The Beast. He's barely mentioned in the book, barely. He's going to be in the movie a lot more, especially since they do have Batiste in there, right? Yeah, it's got to be, got to be that. Well, and I don't even think that he necessarily has to play a huge part in the movie. I think that he did well with what he had to do, you know?

I mean, like he looked like the general of the army, the super enforcer scary dude, and I thought he pulled that off really well. although I would like to see him get badass. Yeah, he doesn't have to be throughout the second movie, but just give him like a brutal fight scene and then like have him kick a little bit of ass before he dies. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that, you know, this is debatable,

but I think the two best adaptations of a book are one floor of the cuckoo's nest and the Lord of the Rings. And the Lord of the Rings, I think, is the top of the heap because it changes a lot about those books. It drops a lot of stuff. But it stays true to the core of what those stories are, and it works on its own level. And I feel like I could be wrong,

but I could see them using the Beast in a way where they somehow get him involved in the final battle for Iraqis, you know, and they take him and put him in a place where he would work a better narrative. for the story as a direct foil to Paul in some respect. I could see them doing something like that while still retaining the theme of the novel. We'll see. I just don't think that you bring in Dave Batista and, you know, not really do something with him outside of relegating him to basically a cameo in the first movie.

You know, I think they probably have more in mind for him if and when they get this second movie going. Yeah, I can see that. Well, he looks at the part, though. Yeah. Real quick, I want to bring up Oscar Isaac as Duke Lido. Fantastic. He was amazing. The one thing I can say that was better portrayed in the original one was his love for Jessica.

Because in the original one, that was like one of his last things he was thinking about was my Jessica, my Jessica. Yeah. This one is just kind of like. from the book. This one, he's just kind of like, I should have married you. Yeah, they don't even really talk about her having to be a concubine. And politically, he was supposed to marry a different woman. So he could keep her in the book. He can keep her as a

concubine, but he was not allowed to marry her. Oh, yes, you're right. Oh, good, good point, dude. They totally left that out of the second movie. Good, yeah, good point, man. But I did like the updated scene of the the gas from the tooth how instead of just taking out one person he took out the entire room the whole room

well and he just I mean he you know he died so quick in the movie maybe not I'm sure it was fucking halfway through the goddamn thing but whatever it all happened so fast it seems like but it like it just gave you because at that point

he was you know a disposable character to move on the plot line and help the hero's journey. And I think they did with him what they were supposed to do with him. And this is a good and honorable man that has taught his son well. Yeah. And I like that scene where he told his son, even if you're not the future of House of Atreides, you know, you'll still be my son. You know, I like little moments like that. Right. And so, yeah, I thought that was, that was pretty cool. Like I didn't, I didn't need a whole lot extra to his story, you know, They got across the point that they needed to get across.

And he did great at it. Oscar was phenomenal in this movie. Everybody. Yeah, he's one of my favorite actors. Pretty rarely do I see him in something. He's not good in it. So it's good to see him killing it here as well. All right.

I think that's it, guys. All right. So definitely check out Dune. That's a fucking badass thing, man. No shit. like I really want to go watch it again right now. I might, honestly. All right.

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you guys can't hear my thoughts I'm narrating good night