The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #284: Black Swan (2010) & Last Night In Soho (2021)

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

This week are joined by very special guest Garrett Collins, of Binge Aftertaste, to discuss Edgar Wright's Last Night in Soho as well as Black Swan. Cool of the Week includes Midnight Mass, Night Teeth, His House, and History of Horror. The podcast spotlight shines on The Grave Plot podcast. We get feedback from Marcus Wilturner, Steven Lowblad, and Tavares Ellis. Be sure to check out the Binge Aftertaste at BingeMedia.net, or anywhere podcasts are found. Thanks for listening!

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All right, welcome back one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always my co-host, Brian and Philip. and you guys knew we had a guest from binge media last week. We've got a guest from binge aftertaste at a part of binge media this week. It's the man himself, Garrett Collins. What's up, man? What's going on, gentlemen? It's been a long time coming.

I had a blast last time I was here. If you recall, we did a commentary for shocker, which I actually relistened to because I went on a road trip to go to my brother's wedding. and that that was a really fun time, and I'm looking forward to another one. Yeah, that movie kind of broke us, man. I wasn't expecting that. We fly off the rails every week. Who goes to shit?

All right. Benge Aftertaste, that's still your main platform over there, right? Main platform, yeah. We're still chugging along. We have some big things coming up. obviously we always do on that fucking show. It's just, it's always,

you know, people ask me, should I start a podcast? I say you can, but it's another fucking full-time job, especially if you, you host it, you edit it,

you put it all together. You produce it, which gets everybody together. I have so much respect for podcasts that are able to get everybody in the same place for two hours at a time, one week at a time,

because it's so tough to do that. But we're, We're having a blast, man. We just released the Halloween Kills review, which continues the Halloween retrospective. Yeah, we continue the Halloween retrospective that we started like six years ago with a gentleman that you guys are pretty familiar with. I've heard him on this show, Jason Morris. He was on there. Doug Wicker, who is a guy, I would recommend you guys have on because, A, he's got a horror short that he's trying to sell the festivals.

And B, he is a funny motherfucker. We did some things together The three of us We had a little production company for a while And we were putting some short movies and stuff together And Doug, not only has great ideas He's just a funny fucker dude to talk to So I would recommend having him on the podcast

Whenever you guys get a chance And he's trying to sell this fucking He's trying to sell this new short he has like crazy So that would be a nice guess for you guys to have All right Done boring Doug out Yeah I'm done whoring Doug out Yeah, no, that'd be

Sounds like a good mix. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we, yeah, so we did the Halloween Kills review, which was fun to do. And next week, it's funny. I'm on with you guys the week before this starts up, too, because next week we start The Shining, which we're doing the original Kubrick, the mini-series, and Dr.

Sleep, and all three of those shows have fighting. So get ready. Yeah, they do. We've recorded all three of them. We recorded them about, God, at this point, two, three months ago. But editing together now. And I haven't finished editing the first one yet, but I can say that the recording was almost three hours. So there's a lot of talking on that one, because as you guys can imagine, there's a lot to dissect in that one.

So that continues our look at Stephen King movies. And we have Lord of the Rings coming up. We're finishing up Lord of the Rings. Leap the Wealthy weapon should be out by the end of the year. Nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was my Christmas choice this year. Was we thought it.

So we got a whole bunch of shit going on. Yeah, Matrix, you know, we're going to finish that up because they have a new one coming out. Maybe Ghostbusters will see. There's a whole bunch of shit. So that's what we got going on so far. Yeah, Ghostbusters. Got that new Matrix, man. Yeah, you know what?

The more I see of it, the more I'm excited too. My girlfriend's like a major, like, you know, like Kenna Reeves is her. Hall Pass. So like she, she inhales everything Keanu Reeves. So when we first started dating was when they released

that first trailer. And yeah, that's going to be our movie. But I'm super excited about it. The more I see it, the more I see the way they're marketing it. And the way,

I'm not sure which one's doing it. I don't, it's Lana, right? He's doing it. Yeah. I think they have a really nice approach to this. And I just love the idea of those two meeting

and not knowing where they know each other from. considering where you came from. That the whole thing just fascinates me. Synchronicity. Obviously, the Rikowskis can go way off the rails, as we've seen. But I think if they have one calling the shots, and there's a singular vision for it,

and it's the Matrix, after all. It looks pretty phenomenal. I'm pretty excited for it. Well, here's hoping it doesn't suck. It's good source material, right? How bad can't be. Absolutely. Well, a lot of people hate those.

sequels though, man. I guess you guys are going to get into all that in your talk, right? Well, we did the sequels. We covered it years ago. Because I'm thinking, oh, wow, you know, I have a few weeks to kill. You know, let's do these four things, you know, because we did the Animatrix as well. And I'm thinking, yeah, there's no way they'll do another one of these. Fuck no.

So let's just get this out. Oh, no. Here comes another one. That was way before this was even announced then. Oh, yeah, yeah. we did that like, God, I think we did that 2016, 2007. Oh, God.

It was, okay. That's the early days. Yeah, that was when the aftertaste was just getting rolling. Shit, okay. At least this format. The format was finally in its stride around that time.

And those are pretty interesting conversations. I love those conversations. It was with Jack and Alex. So, yeah, those were good shows. And I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with this next one. So do you think you might re-release those shows? or we just got to go.

Oh, they're on the archives. If people want to listen to them, we're in the fucking art. I'm not going to do the word forum. Are you kidding? I do enough for them. Yeah. Come on.

Well, we're having to re-upload all our old shows because Universal Music came after us, so it's kind of like that. Yeah, I got to. To be fair, we probably should have seen that coming, but oh well. It came after you. See, I do, I don't know if you guys,

I don't know if you guys listen, but I do intros and outros. And, you know, I do, I pull music from each in every one of our fucking show, each one of our movies. And, wow, I haven't had anybody come after me yet. Yeah, that scares me. That might, no, that might be a little bit different, though,

because we were doing a lot of, like, just musical cues where we would pick songs for each section. For example, the trailer park, you know, going on down to the trailer park, you know? So, uh, I think that's what got us in trouble. But, uh, anyway, dude, it's good to have you here, man. I'm, I'm happy to be here. Well, you know, we start the show with Cool of the Week.

So other than these two, of course, that we're going to talk about, Garrett, what's the coolest thing you've seen or video game you played, concert you've been to? What's your cool of the week? Oh, wow. I wish I played a video game. I were a concert. God, I miss those days when I could do that stuff. You know, I feel like a fucking asshole because it's Halloween. And my big thing was this Halloween, I did what everybody should do in Halloween.

I did a Rocky we watch. So I went through all those movies. Oh, God. For some unknown reason. All right. Locky for Halloween. I went up to Creed. Yeah, yeah, which was really weird.

The timing was odd. But I also hit the third season of Cobra Kai because I didn't watch that yet. So I went through that in the last couple weeks. But the one thing horror I did watch, which I fit in right before we talked. I'm like, I got to watch one thing new that's horror that we got to talk. I watched the, I guess you call it pilot. I don't know if they call them pilots anymore. The Midnight Mass on Netflix.

Yeah, yeah, sure. Oh, is fucking phenomenal. I can't wait to dive deeper into that. So that's what I've done. Okay. That was a big four thing I watched this week. Nice. So you're just one in then.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I barely said it before we started. Yeah. But it does have me hooked. By the third, you'll figure out what's really going on in the town. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. See, I had mixed feelings on that one. Like, uh, did you? While I was watching it, I was like, okay, are we going to do something or what? And, uh, by the end of it, I think it was pretty great. It was just a really fucking slow burn. Yeah, a lot of talking, right? A lot of, uh, a lot of dialogue. But also done really brilliantly.

That's a plan against style. Mm-hmm. Sure it is. Yeah. He had that whole, that plan against style. He had that whole episode of Hill House that was all just, the entire episode took place in real time in the funeral home. You remember that one? Yes, I know, but they had a lot of creepy shit going on too, right? This one is like a lot of dialogue with stuff that's kind of referenced in the background and you don't really know. So he's saying more talkie-talkie on this one, Garrett. Yeah.

That's fine with me. I like stuff. I'm happy with it. The James Wonstock. It was okay every once in a while, you know, when you get stuff at you 100%, but I like slow burns where it just comes up on you. Yeah. But you can get overly pretentious with that, too. You can get literally pretentious.

Oh, yeah. I think he keeps it between the lines. So that wasn't your cool of the week? Well, no, my cool of the week actually was. Dallas Cowboys, right? Well, that one too. Yeah, Dallas Cowboys. Fuck.

Back up quarterbacks. We're going to the Super Bowl this year. I know I say that every year, but for real this time. Jesus. Brian, he just did it. He just did it, Brian. You know, mark this day on the calendar if things go wrong. I'm getting a fucking tattoo.

It's happening. On my face. But my real cool of the week, I think, was night teeth. I checked that one out. Remember we watched the training for it. Yeah, Brian, do you see that one yet? Yeah, I talked about it on our 31 recap, and I think Lance you checked it out too. Yep, I'll be talking about it on our next 31 recap.

Oh, cool. All right, well, yeah, man, I was pretty impressed with it. I mean, I don't think it's anything that's really going to stick with me. Maybe it makes the top 10 list, probably towards the bottom of it, but it's there, man. It was a lot of fun. It was more fun than I expected it to be. I thought everybody in it did a pretty good job. Yeah, I think Netflix is definitely going to do a sequel.

Yeah, oh, I'm sure. I mean, I don't know how much buzz this one has gotten. I just clicked on it. But I just, you know, sometimes watching a movie can be a chore. And this one wasn't. It was a really good time. I enjoyed myself. Makes a difference.

Yeah, take that for it is. You want to go? Lance or I only got one thing? Yeah, because I've, again, guys, I've had so much shit going on this week that I've just kind of, just got one cool of the week. I'm going to cheat a little bit. Brian, you cheated a little bit on your 31 days by using Halloween kills, which was one of our movies that we reviewed.

So I'm going to also color a little bit outside the lines. And my cool of the week is going to be on my 31 list, but it's his house, also a Netflix movie. Have you guys seen this? That's a good one. His house. Is that next to she shed? Yeah, it's a British film, and it's about some, uh, this husband and wife that moved from a country where there's a lot of trouble. I think it's Sudan.

Is that right, Brian, that they're being from? Yeah, I believe so. Basically, they're refugees, like getting away from the war and everything. And they're lucky enough to make it out to London. And they're in this one house. and the cool thing about it is that usually like what 99% of all haunted house movies you're just say just get the fuck out right

and they're they're told by the social worker when they first get yeah Dr. Who himself who we'll talk about later tonight in another movie but yeah he told them to you have to stay in the house you cannot move out of the house

or you'll be sent back so it kind of it kind of dignifies the haunted house genre a little bit because you've got a reason that they're forced to stay in there. But there's a lot of things from the past that they thought they left behind that are coming back to haunt them and not leaving the house. So check it at you. Garrett, you haven't seen it, have you?

It's a Netflix movie. No, I haven't watched this yet. Ah, it's a UK production. I think you'll like it, man. It's a very, very deep movie. You got a lot of layers to it. You know, I got to say, if you guys notice, if it's not a part of a, I'm sorry. go ahead.

If it's, real quick, if it's up to some dude that tells me I have to stay in the house or like murderous ghosts, I think I know which one I'm choosing. All right,

go ahead, I'm sorry. I was just going to say that, I was just going to say that, you know, I don't know if you guys realize if it's not a part of a franchise, I probably haven't watched it.

Yeah. We record, you know, we record about two three shows a week sometimes. So just to get it, just to get ahead because, you know, Matt, Matt's a father. You know, he's a new father. So, like, I like to give him as much time as possible.

So we, all I do is I just upload all the fucking work on it. And it's like, fuck, now I got to do the fucking editing. But it's, yeah. So I, I've been doing a lot of movie watching, but unfortunately, like, not a lot of recreational movie watching. Yeah. It sucks. And then you guys pile on more fucking work.

It's like, Jesus Christ. Garrett, I was wondering. Hopefully they were fun, though. Garrett, I was wondering, where do you go after the Fast and the Furious, man? I mean, come on. Yeah, you're not kidding. God, you talk about a fucking chore. The pinnacle.

We did fucking 27 Bond movies. And that Fast and Furious series was the longest fucking series I've ever done. Like, that was fucking times horrible. Yeah. I don't mind the Fast and Furious movies, but if I have to watch fucking 10 of them in a row, I'm going to shoot myself. Yeah.

Yeah. Fortunately, we were able to spread them out a little bit. We did four here, four there, and then we did the last couple, and it was just like, oh, my God, it was, it was, the fact that we spread it out was okay. But, man, that was a hard series to get through. Like, one week I was just looking like,

fuck, I got to watch this now. God damn it. You get to spread them out for your sanity, huh? Oh, look, there goes jumping off a fucking building again. God damn it. Fast and furious physics. Don't try this at home, kids. All right, Brian.

I'll go real quick. I haven't really been outside of 31. I haven't really. I pushed everything kind of to the side. So I did watch the first three or four episodes. of the new season of Eli Ross History of Horror? Ah, heard about it. I haven't seen any of those yet. Where is that on?

That is on Shutter or AMC Plus. Huh. Oh, nice. So they haven't put it on AMC just on this. They're just on the streaming service. Yeah, I think the new season, I believe the first two seasons was on AMC, but I think the new season is AMC Plus. Oh, wow.

That's how they get you. Yeah. I love my series. Yeah, I'm enjoying the series. There's quite a few movies they reminded me of that I haven't seen in a while that I'm going to work into the schedule here somehow. So I'll be on the lookout for that pretty soon. And yeah, and plus it had my crush on there, Gigi. I love you, Gigi.

Gigi Saul Guerrero, huh? Yeah. All right. We'll give you that one. It's a new one. Sorry, sorry. Open-minded to... Yeah.

And they call me the Pooslayer. Yeah, right. Yes, they do. All right, Brian. It is now time for horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. Take it away, man. All right.

Our first little bit of news is some TV news. M. Knight-Shallamon's servant returns for a third season. January 21st. You looking forward to that, Lance? Sure, why not? You little down on the first? I'm sorry, I walked away for a minute. Say that again.

Servant, season three. Ah, no, they kind of lost me on season two. Are you watching it, Garrett? You know, we did an M-night retrospective this year. Another long retrospective. Uh, you know, I, so in the midst of that, I did watch, I think I watched about the, uh, the first seven episodes or so. It was okay. I just haven't picked back up on it yet.

Um, but, see, that's what I did. So as far as where it goes in season two, I don't know, but I was kind of digging what I was seeing so far, even though I've seen some bad reviews of it. I watched, I'm like, you know, it's not too bad. Yeah, I really, I really dug season one. But see, yeah, season two, I don't know, man. It seemed like it jumped shark, just not as many shocks in it. and I don't know, man, a little bit repetitive to me, but we'll see. We'll see where they go with number three.

It's hard for me to keep up with those week-by-week things. Like, I binge the first like seven shows because that's all it was through at the time. And then I kind of forgot about it. That happens, man. That's part of the problem. That's why I like to just binge all of the season at once, like in a couple nights. All right. Yeah, I did that with 24 last, like earlier this year.

I'd never seen, I'd never seen that show past the second season. So I was just like, I was binging it like crazy because it's on Hulu. And I was like, I was binging it like crazy. And I'm right at the final season that I just haven't picked back up because all this house stuff started coming up. And it was just like I had to concentrate on other things. But I definitely want to pick that up again. But I love binging.

Like people get binging in hard times. Like, oh, I like go a week to week. It's like, no, man. Like, if you have it all right there, it's like, it's actually, it's one big movie if you look at it that way. And that's why I like it. Especially something like 24, that'll keep you going. It's, that one's hard to stop watching. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there was, there's been some series lately that would have flowed better if it would have all been dropped at once. Like, what was that? Marvel, uh, Wanda Vision. Yeah.

It kind of felt like that would have flowed better. You think so? Yeah. I was talking about that with my wife earlier because she was rewatching some old Walking Dead episodes. I was like, man, you know, I've binge watched like the first... The good days? Yeah. I binge watched like the first three or four seasons of it and thought it was fantastic.

And then it was like when it picked up week by week, it just kept losing my interest. Yeah, that's, but dude, sorry to tell you, but I'm watching all of them. I'm totally caught up and it's not just the fact it's week to week. it's seriously become a bad show in many ways. See, because that was a question I had. I was like, man, was it good because I just watched it all at once and I didn't notice the slow parts? Yeah, well, at least this season, they've kind of brought back the zombies instead of just having like all this human drama. Where did they go?

That's what I'm wondering. You're back. That's weird. Okay, moving on to some movie news. host filmmaker Rob Savage is directing a film adaptation of Stephen King's short story The Boogie Man. Oh. You remember that one, Garrett?

Well, we're doing an entire look at Stephen King's movie adaptations, and so I've been reading all his stuff. And I did do a, I did read Night Shift earlier this year, and Boogie Man is in Night Shift, And yeah, that would be a, I don't know, though, because it's implied, but not necessarily, that would be an interesting film. I know they did a dollar baby of it, like Stephen King sold the rights to it for a dollar or something. And I remember watching that years and years ago. But I would like to see a new guy. I don't know if stretching, I don't know if stretching it out to an hour and a half would work for a story like that, but it could.

And who did you say is doing it, Brian? Rob Savage, he did that Shutter movie host. Okay. Ah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, maybe he could, maybe he could do it, but that's another one that would have to be a slow burn, you know.

Seems like it would be. Hey, but look what great things they did with extending out the storyline and totally getting away from the short story on the lawnmower man. That would have well. That's my point. That's my point. Although I can't wait to cover that because there's so many fucking things to dive into with that fucking adaptation.

That's right. including being the first time. Me too. Including it being the only time Stephen King looked and it's like, you know what, I got a sue. Like of all the other fucking movies that was made, all the garbage shit that they did, it's like this is the one

that caused him to sue. It's just funny to look at something like that. Yeah, this one went too far. Yeah. But yeah, that would be, I like that era of King. I love the, you know, just going balls out with his stories way back

when. So I'd be curious to see that. There's a lot of cocaine in those days. Oh, you're not kidding. This adaptation of the boogeyman will be a Hulu exclusive. Ah. Okay.

Now to the news that Lance has been waiting for. More hocus pocus two news. Yes. Do we have a date? Let me see. I think I got a date. It's definitely going to come fall

2022. Pocus 2, fall 2022, huh? Yeah, but Doug Jones. Do they have the same people in there? Yes. Doug Jones is going to be in there again? Yep, Doug Jones is returning

as whatever his name. Billy. The zombie guy from the 1700s. Returning along with Bett Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy. The Jimmy. The Jimmy, yes.

that movie has such a following I have never seen it oh come on serious I've never seen it I like the first one it's endearing but this sounds fucking awful I get very well

I listen to I listen to post I listen to post mortum which is Mick Garris's podcast and I I don't know I haven't heard him talk about whether they were doing this

so Is he even a part of this? That's a good question. I am not seeing his name, but it is happening. It's coming straight to Disney Plus. And it's most definitely going to suck. Mandalorian will show up. Speaking of the Mandalorian, did you guys watch the Book of Bobafet trailer?

I didn't know. I was out yet. Oh, the trailer, yes. No, you freaked me out for a second, too. No, they didn't drop the shows. They didn't surprise anybody. But yeah, it's looking good. Definitely looking good.

Hey, Garrett, Garrett, maybe you can speak to this. I heard, I don't, I think it was like, of all places on Saturday Night Live, their news section last week. I think they said that Disney Plus is officially about to outsell Netflix in monthly subscriptions. Is that true? The reliable source of information, the Saturday Night Live weekend update. You know what, man? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. Well, I don't work in that.

See, Lance, I don't work in that business anymore. So I couldn't really speak to it. Like, I don't see the business income and everything coming in from it anymore. But it would not surprise me because it was even starting even back then. You know, when they had announced that they were going to do this Disney Plus. There were there were rumblings that it could. I can see it, definitely. Especially considering all the good buzz that's gotten from the stuff they've released slightly.

Yeah, as long as they keep bringing new content. Plus, it's tied to like Verizon and a bunch of other shit. Like, you may want to just check and see if you happen to have a Disney Plus subscription, because you might. Yeah, I'm not even know it. Yeah, you're not kidding. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's another thing, though, guys, I got to say, And my girlfriend's all over me about this.

I have never seen the Mandalorian past the pilot. So, yeah. Yeah. She loves it and we're going to have a, we're going to do another binge. We're going to do a binge of it. A bassoon, but. It's easy to binge.

Those episodes fly by. And then did you get like 20 minutes of artwork at the end of every episode. Oh, nice. Great music. Dude, John Favro should be in fucking charge of Star Wars. That's what, yeah, that's what I keep hearing. Yeah, the music, you know, I will say, when I read these Stephen King books, I listen to music. That's what I had.

I put, like, Spotify, I'll throw a list on there. And I will say, I have a list that's like Star Wars movies. Like, it's all the Star Wars movies music, all the Star Wars music and one, like it includes the Clone Wars, includes everything. And the Mandalorian is on there. And the stuff that comes up, I love that music. In fact, I'll take a screenshot and I'll send it to my chick. I'm like, dude, this music is making me want to watch the movie. Watch the show, I'm telling you.

I don't know. There was just nothing about the Mandalorian that appealed to me. And the pilot was okay, but she swears. It's like awesome. So we'll watch it eventually. All right. Star Wars has put out in a long time, man. It's what I keep hearing.

Better than them last movies. Yep. Let's see. A couple more things here. Robert Eggers's new movie, The Northman, gets a new release date. October 22nd. Oh, wow. Okay. Now, who all's in that movie so far?

Alexander Scarsguard, Anya Taylor Joy, Nicole Kidman, Ethan Hawk, Willem Defoe, and Bjork. Bjork? What the fuck he dig her up from? She's going to be in a swan dress? What kind of feathers

did he have to put in front of her face to get her to show up? Man, that looks, what a fucking cast. Holy shit. Let's see. We got one more thing here to add. We were talking about it with Jack, and it is officially happening the Dune sequel.

Not a surprise. Not a surprise. It worried me a little bit. Yeah, for a minute. Yeah, like, you can't make a movie like that, not have a sequel. It worried you the way when the Astros were behind last night, after that Grand Slam?

Yeah, a little bit. Oh, there were just no garbage cans within reach. I had 100 things going on, and then I was trying to watch the Astros and the Cowboys at the same time. Yeah, a lot of people in Texas were doing that. Well, they finally found the garbage cans, which is why they finally came back.

You ain't cheating. You ain't trying. Dune did pretty good in the theaters. You know. Has it done okay? Let's see. Dune pulled 41 domestic and 182 million international so far. Man, you know.

So I've watched it like three times now. That movie is fucking fantastic. It's going to be on the top of my list this year. Garrett, you haven't seen it? No, no, I haven't. I haven't seen it yet. Dude. You can't consider it a fantastic yet.

There's a couple things. There's a couple things. Yeah. Well. One, I do want to do it just because I want to do like a David Lynch retro. And, you know, if you do a David Lynch retro, you probably have to do Dune eventually. And I would love to like just compare and contrast what's going on there. But the problem, the stomach block I have is I do not like Villeneuve's style.

I think it's, I said this on a recent. I think it was on the Bond Show. Yeah, it was on the Bond Show. Yeah, you don't like it then. It was on the Bond show that I There were there were rumors that he was going to do in a Bond film I said I wouldn't want to see that because his fucking style is just too It's too grandiose like it's just there's so much style

Not really any substance although he thinks there is I find it Yeah but Dune is better than that Okay You know what I keep hearing great buzz about it And it's from people who I trust Like I wasn't a man of it I didn't like Blade Runner, but this one was awesome.

Yeah, I was not a big thing, but good. I keep hearing from reliable sources that it's a very, very good film. And so maybe I'll just, you know, I'm going to be near a theater this week. I will probably stop and check it out because I'm not going to fucking just dumb it up on my TV. I'll go to a theater and see it if I see it. Yeah. Just on your cell phone, Garrett, you'll get it. Yeah, that's the way to see it.

No, you need the throat singing. All right. The only drawback to the sequel is Dune Part 2 will not come out until October 2023 and will not start filming until late 2022. Which makes sense because there's a time jump in the book, so it makes perfect sense. It doesn't have to be a time jump in reality. Yeah, but I mean, it just came out. You know what?

If we can get in in a couple years, I'm cool with that. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy with it. You're right. Don't just rush now. It would be great. All right, that's the news. All right.

Well, Garrett, this is the time of the show where we all, us boys, gets together, and we take a little trip down to the trailer park. They got drugs down there. We're going to bring you the big, the small. and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? First one is a, I guess, religious horror. Agnes.

Nunnsploitation, I think they call it. Oh, non-sploitation. Sounds sexy. Rumors of a demonic possession at a religious convent prompts a church investigation into the strange goings among its nuns. a disinfected

priest and his neophyte are confronted with temptation, bloodshed in a

crisis of faith. You're just making it sound sexy. We haven't seen that story before.

One thing I noticed, because I watched it literally seconds before we hit record,

is there's a, there's a, there's a headline, there's a, there's a byline that comes up that says,

the best nun movie you'll ever see or something like that. I'm like, how many nun movies have you guys fucking seen? Saw the conjuring one. Yeah, that's the only one I could think of. I mean, unless we're counting Amanda Kruger, I mean, what the fuck? Right. What nun movies are we talking about here?

I don't know, it looked okay, but it looked like every single five of possession movie. It really did, didn't it? It looked like nothing new. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't tell if it was, Is it completely a serious movie or? I don't know.

Did you think it's kind of tongue-in-cheek? I don't know. The way they had Agnes done up like with her hair, like, I don't know. That's what I was going to say.

It looks like it's got maybe some irreverent comedy thrown in. Or maybe. But it also looked like it was trying to be serious, so I don't know. Exactly. Maybe it just thinks

it's a lot more serious than it really is, right, Garrett? As you said about that's what I say you like to me. Bill and Eve. Yeah Okay

Pretentious I'm going to get a lot of hate I'm probably going to get a lot of hate But what else is fucking Oh I know I was in the minority on Blade Runner too Blade Runner I didn't love Blade Runner

Anyway A couple of recognizable faces in the cast Sean Gunn And Rachel True From the original craft movie not that god awful The one I never watched. Reboot sequel.

I haven't seen it, but I've heard nothing but bad things. You should almost watch it just to see how they try to tie in the original movie. I kind of want to. That's a franchise now, isn't it, Garrett? The craft, right? Consider that a franchise now? Why? Because they had one movie in a remake?

Yeah. I guess you got to wait for at least one more, right? You got to watch it. Well, I guess in that case, she's all that's a fucking franchise, too, because didn't they just remake that a couple years ago? That's a team wolf. You can even do the TV series. Well, then you got to do the He's All that Netflix movie.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. I saw half of it, not that bad. Oh, really? He's got the one kid from Cobra Kai in it, right? It's got some people that. I know, but they're too young for me to know their names. That's the good.

But I was watching it, and I'm like, what the fuck are you watching? Because I know these people, and the story looks familiar. And she's like, I'm watching, she's all that. It's like, I don't think this is that movie. But you were kind of right. Kind of right and kind of wrong. All right, Agnes. Sounds like nobody's really interested.

So much. But I'm sure I'll check it out and let everybody know. The release date is December 10th. Okay. Well. Might be good. If there's exorcism and the Catholic Church and evil nuns in that my wife's totally out, I guarantee you. Ah, see, those are my favorites.

That Catholic upbringing makes you really scared of that stuff, right, A.J. Are there any other kind of none other than any one? No, not lately. They've either got rulers or demons. Pick one. All right, let's see. Our final trailer of the week of the episode is Black Friday. A group of toy store employees must protect each other from a horde of parasite infected shoppers.

This stars Devin Sawah, Bruce Campbell, Ryan Lee, Michael Jai White, and others. Brian, what the fuck did you make me watch with this trailer? It looked like a fun holiday film. I mean, we got Black Friday and then we got the new Home Alone movie. I mean, take your pick. Bruce Campbell, like, is there a job he won't do? No, no. Like, I'm sure me and Jason could come up with something like in like a day and send it to Bruce Campbell.

He'd say, oh, yeah, I'll be there tomorrow. You know, this was very well thought out. He's like Samuel L. Jackson. I'm telling you, dude, this guy is fucking, like, he will not say no. I'm watching this. I'm like, where's the fucking budget here? It was so ridiculous. I don't know.

I love the demonic toys and that fucking era of horror. I really do. Yeah, the Charles band stuff. Yeah, I love that stuff. I really did it at the time. I try to rewatch it and it doesn't age that well. But I'm watching like this trailer and I'm thinking, I know that's the thing they're going for,

but you, God, like, get the sound work. Like they don't even have the fucking sound recorded correctly in this trailer. Everything's all over the fucking play. That may be a warning sign. I didn't think about that. I am going to watch it, though. I guarantee you all. Oh, I guarantee you I'll watch it too.

That's a sad thing. I'll watch it too. I mean, we're kind of in a Devonsaw Renaissance right now. He's been quite a few things, including the new, what is his name? Lanzig. Have you seen that new one? from Glenn Danzig? Death writer.

No. He did another one. He did another movie. Really? Yeah. Kevin Salvo is like a vampire hunting cowboy or something. Okay. That's this isn't, you're making this shit up, dude.

I swear it is available. It's out there. I don't hate that idea. What's it called? Death writer, excuse me, death writer in the house of vampire. Look, even when your voice cracks, you sound like your bass.

It's stars Devin Sawa, Julian Sands, Glenn Danzig, of course, Danny Trejo. Julian Sands. Julian Sands. Danny Treo. Jesus Christ. What'll that got turned down, right? Glenn Danzig was just trying to hire people that were shorter than him. Oh, yeah, that he would have gotten Tom Cruise and who else?

Peter Dinklage, I guess. Yeah. I'll say this about Devin Sala, you know, you guys were talking, if we could go back to Kului for a bit, I am really digging this Chucky series. They got going to. Yeah, yeah, it's good. And he's fucking great in it. That's next to my list.

Oh, my God, dude. I did not think I would be sucked into it the way I am. And I think what I really like about it, me and Matt were kind of talking about it in a chat that we do. Like, I really love that they're going back to the original script idea of the innocent being corrupted. And this doll actually convincing this kid to be a killer. I just find that all to be just fucking awesome. You know, I thought the remake was okay. You know, I didn't think, I wasn't as down on it as a lot of people were.

But I'm liking that Mancini's actually going back to the original concept and doing something. different with it. Yeah. See, the remake, I enjoyed it too, but I kind of felt like it maybe could have been under a different title, but then again, would anybody have seen the movie if it was a different title? Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. Demonic toy. Hey, but they came out with it at the right time because I sent you guys that fucking thing. There's a robot fucking toy for kids that looks Oh, that real life horror video you sent us? But it sounds scary, yeah.

AI. Little kid AI. That is staying far away from my daughter, that toy. No shit. All right. Black Friday. However, I want to throw my opinion out here on this movie. I'm sorry.

Because I have a little different take. I can't fucking wait for this. It looks awesome. That's good. And I don't see a release date. I believe this is not coming out on Black Friday. I think we're getting this December. I just hope I can talk to wife into putting it on our 31 days of Christmas this year.

I bet they were trying to get it out by Black Friday. 31 days of Christmas. That sounds illegal. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. Yeah, the further you get... And at least 20% of end up being Hallmarked Christmas movies, Philip.

That's what I was going to say. The further you get into Christmas movies, the worst they are. No, but this one, I bet you they were trying to get it out by Black Friday, and that's probably why they have some of the sound problems in the trailer. Ah, yeah. It's not fucking ready yet. Maybe.

Yeah, that sounds about right. That is the final trailer. Friend of the show, Bruce Campbell, by the way. True. That's right. That's right. We definitely get the impression he will do anything. I mean, if he'd sat around to talk to us, he will do anything. We're going to play that part as much as we can.

I've actually seen him talk at cons. He's a very entertaining dude. never actually interviewed him. I got to talk to him for a little bit because I took a picture with him. But he, you know, he's definitely an entertaining dude that you want around.

I'm just like, man, like, do you need to get out of the house that bad that you just said, like you're not going to fucking turn down anything? It looks like he's playing an old version of Ash and then on Black Friday with zombies. Oh, yeah. Like Chuckie.

And I'm like, man, what the? Yeah, Chuckie. You know what's up with that? Well, he's a toy. You know what? More power to him, man. You know, he has his niche and he's fucking, he's taking advantage of it as much as he can, and I, and I give him credit for that. But I just don't know where your credibility goes if you do, like, if you do that same thing over and over again, you know, it's, I don't know, because remember he did that?

He's made a career out of it. What was that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What was that movie he did? I think it was dead or something like, it was awful. Yeah, I think that's it. It was terrible.

What movie was? dude, like the fucking production values on it were horrendous. Like, I think he played himself or something. Like, it was, oh, God. He's written several books. Yeah. Yeah. And I met him at a signing.

You know, I got a book signed of his years ago. He's a very applicable guy, but I'm just like, man. Right. Maybe where he played himself. Never going to be what he was in Zina. Ah, that's right. Or Bristol County. Oh, correction.

Grisco County. Grisco County was the one time. I thought he was doing something kind of like different with it, you know, and Zena as well. It's like, wow, he's actually expanding a little bit and then he just goes right back. I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't want him, you know,

acting side by side without Pacino or anything. I'm just like, I just look I do. I give it. That sounds amazing now. I love that fucking guy. I tell you what, with the right vehicle, you don't think Tarantino could put him in something and make them actually credible? Oh, God. You are saying everything I want to hear right now.

A quick correction. Black Friday comes out November 19th. Oh, yeah, way before Black Friday. Okay. Well, that's cool. That's cool. Maybe four? It's like a week.

Well, a week before, okay. It's such a missed fucking opportunity. Do you just make it come out on Black Friday? What the fuck are you doing? Let's spend something else good coming out that day. I guess. Here's the problem. You have it come out on Black Friday,

but the day after it already aged. So I think they're giving it like a week late anyway there. Oh, that makes sense. All right. Good call. All right. I've changed my mind. Checking the schedule here.

They probably don't want him to go up against Ghostbust. is afterlife. Oh, that's what it is. Okay. Yes. All right. We got some feedback, Philip? We do.

That was the last trailer? Yep. Yes, sir. All right. So this week, the podcast spotlight is going to shine on the Grave Plot podcast. Host, Skeletoni and Taylor of Terror. Skeletone and Taylor of Terror. Say that three times fast.

I know. All right. I love it. They discuss the latest and greatest in horror with each episode featuring two movie reviews and the horror business. The latest news and movies, TVs, comics, video games, and more. Oh yeah, and dick jokes. Lots of dick jokes. New episodes every week.

What the fuck is this show, Brian? Have you heard it? The gray plot podcast. I have not gotten to it. I apologize. I try to, there's so many great podcasts out there. It's really hard to get to everybody,

but I have not. I've heard a lot of great things on there about them, so that's why I wanted to throw them in the podcast spotlight. You had me at Dick Jokes. Yes. All right. I'm going to timestamp that, Garrett. I'm going to cut off the jokes part and use that quote.

Did you guys ever put us on that podcast, by the way? Did you guys ever put us on that spotlight? I didn't think so. I don't think we have. You guys are... I think we did the flagship show. That's punching up. That's about it.

This conversation's over. All right. We're being called out, Brian. Click. We can put us on your podcast, all right? Hey. All right. Marcus Will Turner is keeping us up to date on his annual 31 days of Horathon.

He's now at 28. So we have all of his reviews, as well as the Super Network group. But we're going to give you guys a little preview of each one. So we stopped at 17 last week. We're going to go 18. Is VHS 94, which I have not watched yet. What? Eh?

All right. Well, here's what he says. Whether you believe it, whether you believe they're hit or miss, consistent in quality, you can't go wrong with this wild ride into handheld decimation in 90 sensibilities. It's all that and a bag of chips. Or as I used to say, it's all that in a bag of chips with some dip and a Coke on a side of with a candy bar. That is very 90s. Halloween kills was number 19.

Is it a perfect film? Absolutely not, but its flaws don't distract from the overall enjoyment factor. I think that's a good description. I don't know. Garrett, what did you think, man? Halloween kills. I'll go listen to the podcast, Lance here to find out. There you go.

All right. Great timing. Go ahead. I'm of two minds of it. I think there are some good ideas in it. There's some good ideas, but man, they, They really went off the fucking rails with that. I mean, I, yeah.

Yeah, I missed that episode for us. I was going to give it like a five, man. I loved Michael Myers and they had some great kills. But the story was kind of silly. Title gave you what you wanted. Yeah, I mean, it was fun to watch. Brian and Ness both gave it 10, didn't you, Brian? I did not give it a 10.

No, okay. Did Nez give it a hell of good? Yes, he did. Okay. There you have it. Number 20 is his house. We talked about that one. In the haunted house subgenre,

one of the biggest negatives of a majority of the features suffered from the notion of why, oh, freaking, why the characters simply don't leave. We, of course, wrap this idiot. idiocy around excuses based on race and plot holes. I myself have stated on many occasions that 70 to 80% of scary movies are based around insipid, inane, and reckless choices. If our- Steve, Brian.

Oh, yeah. If our players used a modicum of common sense and reasonability, there wouldn't be any story at all. And everyone would live. Roll credits. Have a nice day. But what if the terror in question was the dangerous and sadistic destruction of a homeland and culture by which our characters had no choice but to run from two safer lands? Hmm. Well, that may have answered my question of ghosts or dude that told you to stay.

Right. Number 21. Yeah. Okay. I'll check that one out. Is that one on Netflix? Netflix. Yeah, it's a Netflix movie.

All right. Number 21 is the rental These rentals are not Freaking worth it Even if the view is killer Ah Number 22 is Daniel isn't real Stylish, bright and demented

An engaging thriller That firmly reminds the power of our childhood's mental health And what can follow us into adulthood, imaginary, or otherwise it's not as good as drop dead Fred Yeah So does that

Put that on the fucking video box Right on the front Almost as good as dropped dead friend Number 23 is the head hunter As the saying goes A little goes a long way Of what head? I don't know

That sounds like a completely different movie in my eyes Let's move on. It comes after the Nunn movie. 24 is demonic. Not that one, though. Neil Blombson. I actually did find this by accident while looking for another movie with the same title. Well, there's a fucking problem.

I wanted Neil Blomkamp's demonic. No, you did. Oh, this was the other one. So messed up, again, alcohol. Is Blumpkin's movie really that bad? It's probably, I'm a Neal Blomkamp fan, and I was disappointed to the fact this will probably be in my bottom five of the year. Ouch.

He's hit or missed, man. He's been mostly missed with me. I thought Chapie was okay. Yeah, like, I thought Chapie was okay. Yeah, like, I thought Chapie was okay. I thought his alien concept was cool, but, like, I don't think the guy can, he has great concepts. You just can't do anything with him. Yeah, can't pull it off, huh?

Yeah. Like, if he would write the script and then hire a badass director, yes. That would be amazing. It's hard Charles, Charles Band to do it. Yeah, there you go. I'd still watch it. Uh, number 25 is Scanners. A lot.

lot of intense staring. Wow. The staring. So damn good. Number 26 and 27 is the shed and the Furies. I like one for those. Yeah? I don't think I ever saw the Furies. What was that? That one's on shutter. The women getting paired up with like psychopathic killers and killers fight each other and they got to protect. They got to protect. They got to protect a woman that they're paired up with, and they're just, like, out in the middle of some woods, and, of course, you know, rich people are watching on the internet. Of course. But of course, I am.

It seems to be the way things go. At least people are finally fucking getting it. An idyllic double dose from the shutter. Mimicking old style of old-timey grindhouse features, this humble schmo peaked at two flicks that may have distinct premises, but enveloped the same gritty present. with gusto. All right. I didn't need the shed. I thought the first half was better than the second, but it was good.

Yeah, we're paying for Shudder anyway, right? I mean, we'll use it. Hey, look, that is a subscription service that I will actually give a little credit to. Normally, I'm totally anti-subscription service because all they're doing is fucking do that of your money. But I get it. Netflix is what, about $39 a month now, Garrett? 18. It's crazy, huh?

1799. Is that much? That there's five bucks. That's $39 after they got to pay for that fucking red notice rock movie. That's good. You know, but, you know, like, four screens, they limit you, I think. Right? It's like one guy pays for it, and then the whole family that lives across the entire country page.

Yeah, I'm doing that right now. Yeah. I'm one paying for it while everybody else, you know. Right. You're that guy. Good. I'm that guy. I've been there.

Thank you for your service. Although, Shutter, you know, shutter I had, and then I discarded because, guys there's just so many goddamn fucking subscription services right now like you might as well have fucking cable at this point with how many are out there I know that's my point yeah I was paying like 120 a month for like everything I had I'm like I had to get rid of some of them and Shutter was one of them although there are more things coming out on Shutter that are making me want to re-up it um I think they just did another edge of darkness I guess I think I saw that that they did another one of those which I

will definitely check out um so there's definitely things that that I want to check out with Shudder, I'll probably re-up that. But Peacock and all that, that can all go fuck themselves. If you want to hear my complete stance on Peacock, it is on the Halloween Kills. Oh, there you go, Philip. Who would get along great, dude. Get AMC Plus shutters included with AMC Plus. Oh, is it really?

Yeah. Thank you. Is it? Okay. All right. All right. And number 28 is Spiral from the book. of Saw. I'm

super eager to see where they go from here and what could be left for this series to explore. There's still a few more traps to set and there's still a few more games to enjoy and I'm ready to play again. Wow. There's another series I didn't think would ever get another

movie. You know, I am, I still haven't seen Jigsaw and I still haven't seen this one. I am saving it for when we do the retrospective. Yeah, I haven't watched them. Makes sense. I am, I want to the retrospective maybe this next year and that will be the first time I watch those movies. I have them both.

I just haven't put them in yet because I'm just waiting to go ahead and do that retro. Well, I... There's a lot of stand-up comedy writers that are getting big movies now and

everybody seems super surprised by it like they don't spend their whole life writing anyway. And by the way, stand-up comedy is a dark business. They all are fucking miserable people. Even Chris Rock, they are miserable people inside. So I could see where something would come out of his head that would be actually very viable for this franchise. And I'm kind of excited to watch it.

I'm just waiting for that green light. Yeah. Like, I'm hoping Chris Rock keeps going. Like, I want him to do more movies and stuff. Wow. So we'll see This may be the beginning Brian

created a poll in our group He says Do you like Halloween kills And the likes are way ahead of the dislike So that's bless Can we end this fucking movie Please I'm so sick of talking about this movie

Stephen Lobblad says It was a good film Do need a better story in the next film to end the trilogy. A better story. Yeah. Might want to involve the main fucking character, but that's... There you go.

Tavaris Ellis says Michael Myers was just awesome. That's all that matters to me. I'm looking forward to Halloween ends as long as they don't kill Michael. They can end Lori and her crew for all I care. Just don't end Michael. Which is probably how that's going to go. that rebooted yeah

yeah the Danny Villanoe directed with the new girl that apparently doesn't matter all of a sudden

fuck it give it to Dennis Villeneuve see what the he did Michael Myers Timothy Chalome

will play Mike Myers dude did you imagine him doing a horror movie I would love this oh it would be the

one what is he five foot four or something like that no he like listen

let him do a Michael Myers movie where every scene is just this big, beautiful, fucking slow-moving thing. Can you picture that, Garrett? If people thought Stanley Kubrick made a fucking pretentious horror film, wait till they see a Dennis Villanue fucking...

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Yeah, it's moving generations. Yeah, moving generations. That's awesome. There you go. All right. Well, let's move on to featured attractions. This week, we're going to check out the stylish psychological horror with Black Swan. and last night in Soho.

We'll start with Black Swan, 2010. You'll remember that one from the lesbian scene. A committed dancer struggles to maintain her sanity after winning the lead role in a production of Chikovsky's The Swan Lake. Swan Lake, not the Swan Lake, you know. Director is Darren Aronovsky, also known for Mother and Requiem for Dream. and a bunch of other shit. Writers are Mark Heyman, Andres Heinz, and John J. McLaughlin.

Darren Aronofsky told journalist Kim Masters in a radio interview that Natalie Portman not only trained for a year as a dancer to prepare for the role, but paid for the training out of her own pocket until the film found investors. Aronowski attributed the films getting made at all to Portman's dedication and enthusiasm. The soundtrack composed by Clinton Mansell is a variation of Chikopsies, I can't say his first couple names, Swan Lake Ballot, but played backwards in a distorted manner. Ah, I had no idea. I didn't either And hey

Natalie Portman, way to go She wanted an Oscar for this Yeah Multiple injuries filming this too Yeah Yeah Tough sport Garrett

What'd you think about a black swan All right So back up a little bit Lance tells me Come on our show We'll talk about some last night in Soho all right, great. I want to see that movie anyway.

I'll do it. Little did I know when I opened the email for the fucking format of this show, I was going to have to watch this fucking movie again. I promised myself in 2010 after I came out of the theaters, I would never see it again. Look, I'm not a fan of this movie at all. I think it's, I went into it with an open mind.

I'm like, okay, I haven't seen this in 10, 11 years. Let me see if it actually, you know, if it grows on me, it doesn't. I think the wrong girl won an Oscar for this. I think goodness is phenomenal in this. And I think Nally Forbent just had to play the torturous thing. And she plays it up to the T. I am not an Aronovsky fan for the most part.

I thought Mother was daring. And that's the best I can give it. This movie was just, I was excited for it when it was coming out. And then when I saw it, I was so let down. And I was let down again watching this. I think there was so much he could do with it besides what he. he does because by the end you know what's going to happen and when it does happen

it is so anticlimactic that I just didn't give a shit so I thought there was more they could do he could do with it that he actually just went he didn't swing for the fences he just did a he did the safe version of the story I thought really yeah I'm not a fan

this movie at all but you said you're not a big Erinovsky fan no no not really um like I said thought Mother was daring. I gave him, I give directors credit, we'll get to another one here in a bit. I give directors credit for going outside

their wheelhouse and doing something different. I thought James Juan did it earlier this year. Like, I loved... With Aquaman? I think there are ways to do it, though, where like it just doesn't come off as pretentious. And this movie just

comes off as pretentious to me. And Aronov, he has a real knack for taking on projects and then letting him loose because I don't think he has a grasp of how to tell a narrative without going off into his own little headspace and making it go off the rails. This movie deserved to go off the rails and he played it safe. And I didn't like that. Okay.

Huh. I did like Monica Baluchy's husband. Yeah. I liked Monica Baluchy's husband a lot or ex-husband at this point. Vincent Castle, I thought every time he was on screen, like you paid attention to him. And I forgot just how much you fucking hated that prick by into this movie. Like it was so just like he was just pushing these girls to the point of fucking insanity, which might be the point of the movie.

I thought Barbara Hershey was great. But yeah, the whole Nally Portman Center storyline, it just like you think it goes somewhere and it doesn't. And I didn't like it. He was married to Monica Balucci. He was. Yeah. Lucky bastard. Yeah.

No shit. Grand Slam to go to another baseball metaphor because this movie, this fucking podcast talks about sports too, apparently. The grand slam he hit was he fucking nailed Monica Bluchy's for like 10, 11 years. And they divorced, I think, five, six years ago. Yeah. Well, I imagine she's pretty wild, but probably also kind of crazy. Yeah.

Brian, what did you think about it? I'm also not a big Darren. an Aeronovsky fan. I thought the movie was fine. I thought the cast was fine. I do like seeing the progression of Natalie Portman's character because she's very childlike in the beginning and to where she ends up at the end.

I thought was pretty cool. I did wish we'd get a little bit more with Barbara Hershey's character and what was going on in their relationship. But, Garrett, I have to agree with you. I'll probably never watch this movie again. I found it boring. I do appreciate and respect what they did to get the movie made and what Natalie Portman went through. And just watching what ballet dancers do to get ready and prepare for performance.

I respect that and what they showed. But I was bored to tears with this movie. And I 100% agree with you. They played it completely safe. Wow. I just, I wanted this movie to just go completely off the rails at the end. And I just didn't feel it even came close to that. Yeah, I can definitely see that.

I originally really liked it when I watched it. You liked that scene. Well, yeah. I mean, come on. That's one of the best scenes in movie history. I like that one and the one in the 90s. Wild things. Let's just get the lowest common denominator here.

Jesus Christ. He's fucking wild things. No, I think it was a good movie. I think he said some things. I can definitely see where it would have been better had it gone off the rails a little further because it was still, you know, like almost reality, not quite there, which was sort of the whole theme of the movie, I guess.

You know, you weren't really sure what was real and what was not. And had it really flown off the deep end and she went fucking nuts at the end, I think that would have been yes, probably better. Yeah, that's a good point. I like the movie. I think it's a great movie, but it's not one that I'm going to watch multiple times.

And I think you can say that about all of Aronofsky stuff. I mean, I saw Red Room for a Dream for a dream when it first came out. I've never, ever revisited it. Not because I don't like it, per se. It's just because I don't want to go through that experience again. Yeah, that's a tough movie to get through. Yeah. Yeah.

Just a lot of the stuff that he does is very... Yeah. Uncomfortable. You've got to go through a journey, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like Mother was the same way. I really liked Mother. And I think it was Lance's number one movie, right?

Yeah, it's the only other film other than Clockwork Orange that I give a 10 to, Garrett. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's finally other 10 on 10. Looking at his filmography outside of the wrestler, I don't think I've seen. You haven't seen, you haven't seen pie? I mean, I haven't seen anything more than once outside of the wrestler. Gotcha.

Not Noah, huh? Didn't sit there and binge Noah three times in a row. No, because I didn't know. Noah fought rock monsters and stuff like that. You didn't miss much. You didn't miss much, Philip. To me, he's super hit or miss. He's not like a Kubrick, but, you know, when he hits, he hits for me for some reason.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he spoke to me. He definitely goes very metaphorical in a lot of stuff that he does. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, you know? Exactly. I thought it was a really solid film. And it's definitely one of those, you know, Oscar kind of movies, you know.

Oscar Bate? Is that what you're trying to say? There you go. That's exactly what it was. It got or the fucking statue. Unlike the ginger dead man, Garrett. Oh, God. But the pretentious point, I definitely get that.

Lance, you said you didn't. rewatch it, but I know Arnau is one of your guys. Yeah, but I haven't seen this one in years, and I can't really speak to it, and I also remember being a little bit nonplussed by it. I just went in with such, such high expectations,

and it just never quite delivered, so I don't feel like I can chime in because I probably haven't seen it since it first came out. Okay, well, fucking Natalie Portman, though, this is the one where she went, oh, I'm a real fucking actress, so. Yeah. Yeah?

I thought she did that before. Didn't she do that with the, oh God, what the fuck was the name of that one that? One of her, she was a little girl? No. Well, that one too. Yeah, she definitely arrived as an actress in that movie, because that was her first movie.

What was the one I'm thinking of? Closer. Closer's the one I'm thinking of. Okay. That was the one where people really paid attention to her acting. Yeah, I could see that. Okay. Yeah.

And see, and I've never been a big Natalie Portman fan, but like every time she comes out in a movie it's like alright now report me whatever and then she surprises me she's always good so good actress I believe I have a review of this on my letterbox too I think I have a full review of it because I did do a review of it for a site I was working on at the time it would make sense we'll look for that Brian you're really into letterboxed right yeah I don't leave reviews though

you don't just Just scores, huh? You know what I did with it? Because most sites I've worked for, I mean, I don't know if this is a, this is, this says a lot about what I, what, about what I bring to it. But most sites I work for crash and burn. So what I do is I just pull them and I, and then that's where I keep them for, you know, so that I actually have them instead of, you know, the site going down and me never seeing it again. So I have hundreds and hundreds of reviews up there just because I pulled them and actually put them up there to preserve them. Nice.

All right. Well, let's go scores on Black Swan. Garrett, from 1 to 10, what do you think? And, yeah, this, for acting purposes and the few bits of psychological horror I did like in it, I'll go straight four. Like, it just, it didn't grab me at all. And by that final scene, you know, I, I know it's supposed to be a grandiose scene and it's supposed to be a huge revelation, but it just underwhelmed me to the point where I can't even go five. I can't even go average because I just, I felt so underwhelmed by this film.

And I remember when this movie was coming out, I was reading Fangoria Magazine and they had articles on it. Like, Fangoria Magazine was covering a fucking Darynoffsky Nally Portman movie. And it really was like, I was really excited for it. And there were, you know, I was reading a ton of stuff at that time because I was a college student not wanting to go home because I was in a toxic relationship. and I'm like, I would just go to Barnes & Noble pick up these magazines and just look at them. And I'd just be so hyped about this movie. This movie was one I was hyped for. And I just cannot.

There was a lot of hype for it. Yeah, absolutely there was. And so I could not help but walking out that theater, though, just feeling so underwhelmed. And that's what I felt after watching it for this podcast was I stopped it and I wanted to go in with an open mind. And it's happened in the past. Go back to our reviews. There have been movies that I've reviewed. And then I come back to him like, you know, there were things that I just,

I didn't catch that I really liked about this time. And this is one that me and my sister argue about all the time, because this is like one of her top ten favorite movies of all time. And I would try to see what she saw on it, and I just couldn't. It's an easy for me. I try, man. I really do. I swear to God.

Four. Four. You timestamp that, Brian? For the people out there. For the people out there. I swear to God, there are times on my podcast that I do like movies. I don't want to come on here and just shit on every single fucking movie. But this is the fucking hand you guys are dealing me.

They don't call you four on ten for nothing. I'm telling you, there are movies I like on my podcast. I just want to throw that out there. Play the card you dealt. Brian, what did you think? I'm kind of in the middle there. I'll give it a five. I thought it was fine.

Like I said, I'll never watch it again. There was a, there was moments in there where I enjoyed it. I did want to see a little bit more of Barbara Hershey, maybe a little bit more from Milakunas. The way they were depicting her character wasn't really where I thought it was going to end up at the end, especially the scene where she's getting pushed up against the mirror. Kind of weird, huh? Yeah, I thought there was going to be more to it than just breaking the mirror and then getting stabbed, and that's it.

Yeah. Yeah, if you bill it as like a horror movie, it's not really what it is. But I'll give it an extra half point for Vincent, Marion, Monica Belucci. Bravo, buddy, Bravo. And if any of... Not Vincent DiNafrio, huh? No. If any of our listeners ever did ballet, I want to know, they showed the scene what they do to their ballet shoes by ripping the souls out.

And I looked it up. I understand why they do it. But why do they sell the shoes like that if they're just going to rip them out and do all that? Yeah, just make them the way that they're going to fuck them up anyway, right? Or at least not have a soul in there. Because I read it's a common thing that they do. So I don't understand. somebody knows let us know

kind of like breaking in a baseball glove I guess ah same concept huh yeah okay that makes sense putting pine tar on a bat yeah there you go hitting a grand slam right Garrett that's our theme for the night isn't it there you go there it is

I think realistically this movie probably gets like a seven probably more of like a six for me. Just because of the pretentious factor. You know what I mean? The P factor. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's a good movie.

It's definitely worth watching if you've never seen it. I think it's a movie that you need to watch once. There you go. But I have no desire to watch it again. All right Lance you got a score for it or no Not really Nah I don't feel fair

I don't feel like it's fair for me to chime in Because I uh I got as far as that scene When they were changing the shoes out And I thought why the fuck are they doing this Why not just sell the shoes that way So uh So maybe I'll leave my review at that

At that one line. How about that? All right Don't you get ballet All right Last night in Soho This one ought to be good An acclaimed director

Edgar writes psychological thriller Eloise, an aspiring fashion designer is mysteriously able to enter the 1960s where she encounters a dazzling wannabe singer Sandy But the glamour is not all as it appears And the dreams of the past Start to crack and splinter into something far darker director is Edgar Wright, also known for Sean of the Dead, and a whole lot of other stuff.

A lot of other stuff by now. Yeah, what was the one? Scott Pilgrim. I fucking love them. That's a good one. That's a good one. And all of the other Sean of the Dead stuff, into the world or whatever it's called. Yeah, all those.

writers Edgar Wright and Christy Wilson Cairns The first Edgar Wright film to have a female protagonist The title comes from a song by pop band Dave D Dozy Beaky Mick and Tick Last Night at Soho released in 1968 That was a hard one to get through Easy for you to say

All right, Garrett, you saw last night in Solo, what did you think? I had to start this off again. Can't you go somewhere else for once? Oh, boy. There we go. All right, let me start off. Before I get into what I'm going to say about this, again, I want to say I do like when director step outside their comfort zone.

And there is no question that, like, Edgar Wright thinks about each one of his shots more than I thought about my college thesis. Yes. Like, every one of these shots is so well thought out. But I was pretty disappointed in this, I got to say. If you told me at the beginning of the year that James Juan would have made a better Jallo film than Edgar Wright, I would have fucking punched you in the face. But that's exactly what happened. Oh, that's what happened this year.

Yeah. Yeah. I love Mnignant a lot because of that third act. I don't like this movie because of its third act. I think he sets everything up brilliantly. I think, and this cast, by the way, fucking phenomenal.

You get these two girls here. Anya Taylor Joy, I have raved about her constantly on my show. She is so awesome. But she has nothing to do here but look pretty and audition for future musicals. Yeah. That's what she's doing.

And Thomas and McKenzie, I love, love, love. God damn, what the fuck was... Joe Rabbit? No, no. I like that one too, but Leave No Trace is one of my favorite movies. Oh, okay. Okay.

I think she is just an amazing actress, and I like her wide-eyed look in this. I like her acting in this. But, yeah, this movie was from the offset where, for some reason, Edgar Wright decided to start the movie off with a tribute to adventures and babysitting with that intro. With her dancing around. I thought it was... I don't know, guys. I was left pretty empty by this.

And by the way, like, I've seen a lot of people compared this to Darryo Orgento, which I definitely see. But I haven't seen anyone mention David Lynch, which I think... Ah, okay. I got... I hear you. The first half of this really mimics Mohan Drive pretty well, down to the way that, you know... Well, there was a lot of suspiria in there, too. Absolutely cool.

Yeah, yeah, that's why, you know, Dario O'Gento, that's why I definitely see that. But again, he mimics David Lynch to the point where he just can't quite stick the ending like David Lynch normally. I think the unestablishment of rules really hurts the second half of this movie. To the point where I just had a lesser impact from the ending than Wright probably wanted. Like, it's okay. What's that? Fair enough. Fair enough.

Yeah, I think, you know, with where this movie goes and the way he sets everything up, like, I understand that, you know, the point of it is to, you know, show this woman going crazy, but there has to be some rules. And he does not establish any rules as to where this movie goes. Some shots of this, like the reflection in the knife as it was coming down and the blood was spurting was fucking amazing. Like there are so many things about this I do like. But overall, guys, I was pretty disappointed by this, I got to say. And Lance, I took you up on your offer where you said, you know, you got to see us in theaters. And that's exactly what I did. Right.

Yeah, yeah. I happened to be in Reno yesterday. And I was going to stream this. I was going to stream it on my TV. But I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. Like, I'm here. I'm going to go ahead see this in theater so I could take all this sound in.

And I'm glad I did because that sounds surrounds you. And I think, definitely. Yeah. I think he did a very good thing by bringing in this female writer because she, She worked on 1917, which is one of the only Sam Mendez movies I actually like. Oh, I love that movie. Yeah. World War I.

Yeah. Yeah, she brought a lot to this as far as the female protagonist. But by the end, I was pretty checked out of it. Yeah. No, I hear you, man. I'm glad that I saw this in the theater for sure because the, yeah, the sound was phenomenal in this. And like there were scenes when she was in the other world when she would. go to sleep at night and dream about it or whatever was happening.

And you could just like hear chatter, like all up and down the theater on each side, like where people were. Like, you're in, it was very immersive. I kind of almost wish I'd seen it in 3D, although I don't know, you know, if it would have made that much difference. But it was definitely immersive. I don't know. Does Edgar Wright have a background in music?

Like, was he in a band or was he a musician at a young age or anything? I don't know if he was a musician. I don't know. This dude can pick songs. He's been big into music, though. I mean, baby driver. Big into music. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe he's just a super fan, like Quentin Tarantino, right? Yeah, he picks the perfect songs. And then it's got these songs, and I was really, I was wondering. I had to research these guys, some of the songs they played in the movie, because I remember those as like hits in the 80s and 90s. And I'm like, wait a minute, did they have somebody a female singer go back and make it sound like an early 1960 sound? But they did songs that were written in the late 80s. And I looked it up and no, those were actually songs that were originally done in the early 60s by different artists.

And one of them was written by, oh, shit, Bert Baccarach. that one that the new wave band did in the 80s always something there to remind me you guys remember that one? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I thought it was great. I mean,

I think that this should probably be up for sound mixing as well as the Dune movie that we saw last week. We're getting to the Oscar Bate Week, I guess, a little bit here. But I'm totally with Garrett in that, to me it became over, uber predictable and I never predict movies. You can ask AJ, she always figures everything out.

At the end, I'm like, what? Where did you see that coming? How did you know that that person's wife was going to be sick the whole time? Or that, you know, that that person was going to be the killer at the end of it. I was so disappointed. You saw this one coming? Well, I did. I did.

And I loved. I thought from the moment she was introduced. I thought from the moment she was introduced. I love the way they started. I love the way they started the movie. I like the throwback. Brian, Brian knows I love musicals. Nobody else on the podcast does. But I love the scene at the beginning. I love everything he did with sound on this. And, you know, like you were saying, Garrett, he takes every shot very seriously.

So there's a lot of artistry here, but I think it was just severely lacking in story. That's all I'm going to say. A little predictable. You and Matt can rebel against me by starting your own musical podcast because he's been trying to get me to do musicals on the fucking aftertaste for years now. Oh, you got to do. There's got to be at least one one music musical franchise, right? Yeah, there's, he definitely wants to do those.

I will say this. As much as I was down on this, I think, I think this movie does warrant second viewings. Yeah? I think there are things about this that I probably didn't catch the first time, maybe because I was taking notes and I wasn't

really paying attention to a few shots that go by really quick. There might be little nuances that I missed. A lot of detail and care given to it. Yeah. And I think I did this movie a disservice by not seeing it at least twice. Because, yeah, there are things I think I missed. All right, Brian, what do you think?

Okay. I thought the cast was great. I think Thomas and McKenzie, I think she's going to be a star. Yeah. The more role she gets, Anya Taylor, George, she's,

she's always great and majority of the stuff I've seen her in except for class. Which that movie was garbage. And then she fought, and then she fought a big bear in, in that stupid fucking X-Men movie. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I don't even think I ever saw that one. I'm an X-Men guy. Idiot. She does a fucking accent in that. and I felt so bad watching her just suffer on this. Yeah, Russian accent. Canadian accent or what?

Russian. It was Russian. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wish we would have got a little bit more of Terrence Stamp in here. I liked him in the movie. One of the big pluses. It took me over half the film to realize that was Terence Stamp and that was

Terence Stamp. I thought it was Malcolm McDowell the entire time. Did you? Yeah, I did. It looked like him. Yeah. I was just like not sure who it was. I just knew it was a distinguished actor.

Yeah, I kind of saw what they was trying to do with that character. There was a lot of stuff that was predictable in this movie for me. The big takeaway from me in this movie is when she gets transported to this different time period, I felt like I was going there with her with the setting and the wardrobe and the music. I thought that was well done. There was a lot of camera shots that were great. And to go back to Garrett's binge Aftertaste, they had a Sean Connery James Bond movie poster up there. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, Thunderball, yeah. I like Matt Smith in it. Is that the doctor? The doctor? Yeah. I thought he was fine in it. But yeah, this movie, it got way too predictable. And I did not like the third act.

and by the time we got to the third act, I was just kind of wanting a movie to be over by then. So definitely not my favorite Edgar Wright movie by far. Oh, yeah. Well, and I can definitely agree with that. But he, like you were saying earlier, he's got this Quentin Tarantino-esque, like put music in the film to make it good kind of a thing.

and he does that better than just about anybody. That's well said, yeah. I definitely hear you. Scott Pilgrim is still a movie that I'll go back and watch again. I fucking love it, man. The music is great and, you know. And in this one, I mean, I'm not a huge 60s music fan, but I think the way that he placed it, he did it very well.

I love a lot of the shots in there where like she's stuck in the mirror kind of thing and stuff like that. And I kind of like that they didn't really have rules at that point at least. Where, you know, like sometimes she was her and then sometimes she was trying to get to her. And I thought that that worked because it was kind of like a dreamlike state. but yeah had they gone it definitely was doesn't really compare

to malignant as far as a Gialo movie because that's kind of what it is um now I'm torn I liked it man I liked it but I think that you're probably right on the ending

I didn't really see it coming but I wasn't trying to and I guess you can't have a I see Dead People movie without a twist ending, huh? What are you going to do? You want to call it that, you know? I guess we'll get into that later, right, in spoilers. But it wasn't that big of a twist.

It was kind of, it was sort of, to me, evident, self-evident from really early on, maybe not as early as you guys saw it, Garrett and Brian, but it was, even for a dunce. like me, I kind of figured it out. You know, I kind of like what they did with it, though. I kind of like what they did with the ending. You know, maybe they could have hidden it a little better.

But I like that take on it. So kind of a feminist thing, I guess. All right. Before we say too much, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess we'll roll into spoilers with that one. All right, let's go scores. first.

Garrett Fawnton. No. There is way too much style and way too much love for Megger Wright to this movie, to this genre for me to give it a four. I think a lot of thought

went into this and more power to him, but I think his storytelling is where it gets him in trouble. I mentioned an unestablishment of rules, and Scott Pilgrim has that as well, but the thing about Scott Pilgrim was you felt like you were in a video game in that movie and video games have no fucking roles

so I felt safe in that one and I felt better coming out of that than I did coming out of this I am going to go for those who love their movies with style and for those who love their movies

that don't have a close narrative I want to go ahead I'll go God I go I'll go six. The style really carries this movie. It really does. I can't go over that because I think it would do.

You liked it more than you didn't like it then. I liked it more than I didn't because of its style and because Edgar Wright just brings so much to anything he does. It's like a Tarantino movie where you want to hate a Tarantino movie, but you can't really bring yourself to. And I definitely went through that when we did that retrospect of a couple years ago. But there's way too much love to this genre and way too. much love for film for me to down it too much. But I think when it comes down to it and you're watching this as a movie, like if I were to bring my girlfriend to this who has no idea, you know, she's not a real film buff like I am.

And she's, you know, she's not here. She's in the Caribbean with her daughter right now. So there was no way I could have brought her to this. I would have, like, she would probably come out and be disappointed because she didn't know what the fuck was going on. She doesn't know who Edgar Wright is. and I think somebody who doesn't know who Edgar Wright is and is coming in as a layman

just wanting to watch a movie because they saw the poster would walk out of it pretty like okay what the fuck was that and what happened you know what I'm saying like I think those who love this movie love Edgar Wright and there's no one who loves just straight film and is going to come out of it happy it's a weird poster it kind of looks like

a Star Wars poster yeah it's a very bizarre poster yeah I but you know what, I can't... Yeah. The fact that I like him too much, I can't go too down. So, yeah, I'll go six because I'm a Nekar-R-R-R-R-Fan, but I will say... At least one fan point there, huh?

Yeah, absolutely. But I will say, as a fan of the guy, I was highly disappointed that... I shouldn't say highly. I was disappointed with what he turned out here, because I think there could have been so much more to it. All right. Lance? Yeah, agreed. Definitely could have been a lot more, too. but Brian and Philip, you guys both know that I fully went to this year expecting this to be on my top 10.

I mean, I'd already penciled it in. It was going to be on my top 10 by the end of the year. Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely falling short of that mark. Man, what a great theater-going experience, though, right, to sit in there and hear this sound and all the conversations going on around you like you're in an old nightclub in the 60s. and look in the mirror and you see, you know, somebody there that you're dreaming of being and you're kind of that person for a little while. And then you start feeling, you know, like you want to protect that person and be that person

and, you know, kind of fall into the deep ocean there. So that all was very good, the way he got all of that. But unfortunately, to me, put it this way, if I can predict what's going to happen, like, one, two, three, like right on the nose, like even the changes of tempo, which, you know, we can't go into in spoilers, but like, where you focus from this person to now this person's evil, but this person's not really evil, and you see all of that coming, like, to me, that was a disappointment.

I wanted something a little bit more original. I wanted something a little bit more like, you know, Sean of the Dead or some of those other movies that he did that are so inspired, or even the TV show that he did Spaced, where each episode was kind of its own little mini-story, but it was the same characters. Very well done. And this, I just think he's gotten a little bit uninspired.

And again, yeah, yeah, sizzle over steak, style over substance, however you want to put it. But seven out of ten, I will go seven. Okay. Brian, what did you think? Lance, I'm right there with you as much as I didn't like that third act. I thought the production design,

the cinematography, the cast, the music, I thought all that was great. Just a little too predictable for me, but I'm also going to go with a seven. I think I'm going to go eight. Uh-uh.

Top ten? Um, maybe. We'll see how it goes. How would this compare to night teeth? Since you brought that up earlier. I think it's a better movie than Night Teeth. Night Teeth was fun.

Okay. Night Teeth was more fun. This was more artistic. I got you. Yes. It was more artistic. Like the style over substance thing totally makes sense because it was a little artistic. But like the music stuff, you hit music in there and make it good and make the movie flow with it.

And I'm pretty much sold. so it's hard to argue with that. I like it. Okay. But yeah, I mean, they could have gone a little crazier. It was a little disappointing, I guess, at the ending, you know? Like that could have been, it could have been very cool. Got a little flaccid, maybe.

Yeah, yeah, there you go. Let me just say that as down as I was on this movie, and I know it's not a an original song, but I would not fret if the Oscars had Alanya Taylor Joy performed downtown on it. Every time she did that in this movie, like, it was just in, pardon the pun, but it was an absolute joy to see. Like her just jump on that stage and do this song. Like, that really brought a lot to this, you know. Yeah. And it definitely brought a dreamlike quality to it.

Buddha Thunk. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Freaking gorgeous. I love that woman so much. Yeah. She's so fucking good. She looks like an anime character.

Yeah. She does. Weird eyes. She looks like a sloth. Oh. I mean, I take that. I didn't edit that out of Lance. I don't dare you.

Well, no, I can see that. But like a hot sloth. Yeah. She looks like, no, never mind. You know what? And I'm, and I'm, and I will admit just recently, like, I think about a month ago, I'm coming off the high of getting through the Queen's Gambit. So, like, I've been on a hot, on your. her joy just complete high lately.

And so that might, you know, that might have something to do with the fact that I was disappointing that she wasn't used more in this, you know. Yeah. I think that that changes things too. Like, had she played a little bit bigger part, because I was expecting her to be like the star of the show and she kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Which might be, which might be Agar writes card. You know, that might be the card. Yeah. I do want to play with this? which I respect him for, but at the same time, as a fan of a girl, I was disappointed. But, yeah, all in all, definitely a good watch. I may watch it again, maybe, but it was definitely worth watching once.

I love that the movie got an 8 out of 10 from you, and I'm the one who gave it a 6, and I'm saying I would still watch it, and you're saying, no, I probably would, or I'm not sure. Listen, I got a lot of shit to do. I came to I came to twice All right so let's go

Spoiler Territory This is a motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned This is a

motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned And talk about It's who's ending Can I Yeah Can we jump to the end Yeah

Was it really necessary for this old lady to hide what she did this entire time. I mean, she murdered a guy that was pimping her out and trying to kill her. She murdered a lot of guys. Did she? Yeah. Like all of them. That's that part.

Yeah. You know what? She was a dirty hooker that murdered many, many men and made a lot of bad decisions in her life. And it's now living in the same fucking place that she grew up in. with no consequences. Are you Mike Myers is the cat in the hat, dirty ho? Is that what you're saying, Philip? Yeah, man, she just made bad decisions.

What a final role for Diana Rig, though. You know, this is quite a way to go out. But yeah, I'm with Brian in the fact that I thought from the second she was introduced, like I thought that the arrows were over her head saying, you know, pay attention. The old ladies? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, and they wanted you to think Terran Stamp was the Matt Smith character. Yeah, exactly.

And that was a bad card. That was that badly played, I thought. Yeah, I figured when they went back to the past and showed that one guy who was like, seemed to actually kind of give a shit while she was talking to all the different Johns, I was like, ah, I wonder if he's that guy. And then I knew the old lady had something to do with it. I didn't know that it was going to be her, though. Mm-hmm.

But, I don't know. Just an old lady coming after you with a knife is not that scary. I did like the attention to details, though, with the camera, the angles and stuff. Just little stuff, like if Anya Tela Joy was running past a mirror, you would see Thomas and McKenzie. Even if it was a split second, she would be in the mirror. Yeah, again, and that goes to Edgar Wright's attention to detail. You know, he, he, and I think me taking notes during this movie, because I, I, I, I think I missed a lot of those little nuances that he brought. Well, and then the, so I was a little confused, like you were saying with the rules about, like, when she was running to the alleyway and there's all these guys trying to grab her.

But then they do grab her and they pull her down. I'm like, so... I took it as she had like a gift that she had like a gift that she can see dead people. I could be wrong. I mean, she did see her mother in the beginning of the movie. Yeah, at the very beginning of the movie, she sees her mother. And I thought of that too, Brian, where I think they, he meant for you to see that, you know, like, so that that that's, that's, that's, that. that doesn't kind of sneak up on you.

But at the same time, when you have zombies at the end of this fucking movie, I'm like, what the hell's going on here? Yeah, like, can they grab her? And that's what I mean by going off the rails without any rules. Like, where the fuck did these come from? You know? And then, but I kind of do like at the end where they're all like, help me, help me. And it was the old lady who ended up killing everybody.

Right. Yeah, I did think that was kind of a cool little aspect, you know? because I was a little concerned at one point that the movie was going to go into this patriarchy men are a bunch of rapist thing Black Christmas party. Black Christmas style. And I never escape that movie. I know.

And I appreciate that they sort of led you that way and then went the other direction with it. Yeah. Let me just say, you know, I had two options this year as far as directors to do retrospectives of. It was either going to be N. Night Shyamalan or Eger Wright. I chose Eichs Malon just because I think there's a lot more debate to that. I think the majority of Eger Wright's work is so universally praised. I didn't think there would be interesting discussions involved with those movies. But the more I watched this movie, I think, I'm thinking, man, like, we could have saved the best for last with this because there is a lot to dissect here. There is a lot to look into here. More than any. other Eger Wright movie, which I was not expecting when I saw this. And so that was something that I was thinking, man, like, did I make the wrong choice?

Because Eger Wright doesn't bring a lot of nuance to his movies. What you see is what you get with his stuff, which, you know, I love. Don't get me wrong. There's so much about his work. I do, like, I'm one of the few people who really loved Baby Driver. Like, I thought that movie was amazing. It's great. Oh, it's a great, great tribute to the driver, I thought.

I just thought it was a very nicely done tribute to those old style chase movies, and he brought his own nuance to it. Again, because of his own style. Yeah, exactly, exactly, because of his gift of the ear. But at the same time, I'm watching this movie, and I'm thinking, man, like, there could have been so much more. There could have been so much more. Yeah, and then. Robinson McKenzie was in an M. Night Shyamong movie.

Yeah, exactly. And we talked about that. So, yeah, she was she in split? On her way. She was in old. No, she was an old. Ah, okay. She was with the wrapping, the young rapping child.

No, that was the wannabe rapper. The visit. Oh, old. Okay, sorry. Old had a rapper in it. Mid-sized sedan. Old did. He did have a rapper, but it wasn't a little white, blonde-haired rapper, right?

Oh, God. Well, and like you were saying, Jojo Rabbit. I mean, Taekwaiwai. Yeah. Another one of my favorite directors. Another guy has a lot of style. Yeah, she's hitting them all. So I expect her to do great things.

Hopefully she's not literally, literally hitting them all. She's been got a little, so hopefully not. Although fuck it, you never know with Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah. If the last five years I've taught you anything, you just never know. You all ready to wrap it up? Yeah, that seems like a good note to end it on.

Well, look, Garrett, dude, thank you so much, man. Oh, any time, boys. Get you on here since that wonderful shocker commentary. What a fucking just ridiculous fucking set of hours that fucking commentary was. Oh. But you know what? It's a joy, guys. I'm welcome to come on any time.

You know, there are big things happening over at the aftertaste that I don't want to get into now, but there could be an offshoot podcast. I'll just put it that way. Wait a minute. What do you mean by offshoot exactly? You can at least tell us that, right? I'm not going to get into too many details. Musicals per chance?

No, no, no. We may have to take our Stephen King retro. elsewhere to our own domain. Interesting. Yeah, there's a lot of material, man. There's so much material. And you know what? And I don't blame the boys for saying, you know what?

Maybe it's going this far into it on this site wouldn't be in the listeners' best interest. So we still want to do it, and we might have to take it to our own domain. It may have matter exploring those options. And not only that, you know, we'll get into Marvel, a thing that we missed out on, D.C., a whole bunch of different stuff that we just didn't do because we were doing too many other things. That is in the works, but with everything going on in our lives at the time,

you know, he just became a father and I'm getting ready to switch locations and there are a lot of things going on in my life right now as well, you know, the pool slayer is actually in love, which is weird. You know, it's just like, it's just so many fucking things to go, but we are exploring those options,

and who knows, by this time next year, we could, you know, I could be coming on your podcast and we could just, either have just an exclusive Stephen King podcast or something else. So we are exploring. I've read, I've read every single Stephen King book except for, I think there's two now that I have to catch up on. And he's written one with somebody. It's called like Wendy's Buttonbox.

And there's, I think, two more offshoot books from that that are coming out. Once all three are out, I'm going to read those. And then I think the newest one I haven't read yet, but I've, I've, I've, I've downloaded it, so we'll see how that goes. But you've read them all, right? I am on the fourth fucking stand edition right now. That's a lot of stands. I've read the stand this year.

I have read every single edition of the stand to prepare for that particular podcast. The good news is with Night Shift that we're going to start, night shift is literally like 23 movies because there's like nine or ten. And counting. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. apparently today other than there's going to be more on that fucking book. So there are so many things to explore on that. And so that's going to take a while, which is why I'm taking a while to read the stand.

And again, like I said, you know, with moving and everything, it's tough to like sit down and focus to read for the amount of time it takes because I am a slow reader, believe it or not. So, but I am on the fourth edition of the stand, which, you know, I had to do because, you know, I want to see exactly what, what's going on. But that's the way I am with this podcast is I see every single. thing from every single angle and I bring it to the actual airwaves with Matt, who has been a phenomenal, reliable partner. And so, yeah, who knows, by this year, by this time next year, we could be talking not

just one podcast, but two, which would be more work for me, but that's why I do it. I do it because I love it. And if people continue to listen, I'll continue doing it. Very nice. Well, we'll definitely try to get Matt on again for March Madness again this year. That's always a fun show. Oh, Matt's absolutely awesome to have on the air. And, you know, I feel unfortunate that I'm having to spend some of my pre-birthday hours with you, gentlemen.

But, you know, what can you say? What can you say? Well, I'll tell you what. Let's say this. Let's say, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. And don't forget, you can find us in every single one of our social media links at just simply www.

Thehorrorreturns.com. And just go from there. Look for us on iTunes. Rate us if you like us. Next week, Brian, are we going to go with the Windigo or what? I hope so. This movie's out, right? It's finally out.

Is it really coming? It's really, oh, it is out now, right? We're just going to cover it next week. But which one? The Antlers, Guillermo del Toro, produced antlers, not directed. It's like James Wan produced, right, Philip? We'll see. Man, those fucking commercials are weird.

Like, I don't know what the fuck this movie is. It's really hard to tell what this movie's going to be. Yeah. We're hearing good things, so. All right. Well, we're going to find out together. so Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.