The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #29: Terror Train (1980) & Train To Busan (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

It's the very first appearance of the phenomenal Kevin Nez! We cover Train to Busan and Terror Train. Thanks for listening!

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This is a horror podcast. Horror movies do tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. And tonight, we have a very special guest, Kevin Nez, editor-in-chief of the Skater-Naz Podcast Network. How's it going this week, Kevin? Hey, I'm good, guys. Thanks for letting me finally be on the show.

I know Lance has been on mine, and Phil, Brian, you guys are always welcome to come on and just ham it up or just talk about whatever on my show. But, dude, it's finally glad that I'm here. And thank you so much for the invite. Hey, thanks for coming on, man. And since you're here, can you let all our listeners know where to find you? And like what shows do you do on your network? I mean, what exactly is the Skaternez network? Well, it was first, it's almost been a year since I've been on doing this whole podcast deal.

I started in February. And it was just my show in the beginning, the Magnus podcast. And then I don't know how many episodes I did before I started another show with a buddy of Montaio. We started the E-Society. I think we're only like maybe 15, 16 shows in on that one. My show, I think I'm on 53 episodes I did so far, plus some other random episodes I had done. And where you can find me is just go on Podbean or on iTunes. and look up

it's either the MacNez podcast or the Skaternes podcast network I think if you just type in Skaternez that'll all pop up because I had to change I changed it to the Skater Nes podcast network because of the two shows that I had on there

and yeah you guys should just type in that Skater Nes is SK the number 8 ER and then Eni's podcast network. Cool. It should pop up.

All right, yeah, and you guys, and you guys cover a lot. I mean, I know you guys do a lot of horror movies because I've heard you, particularly on your show, talk about that quite a bit. But you and Theo, you guys normally do something toward the end of the show there where you, like, highlight a song of the week in a movie you've seen or something. Yeah, we usually do that. The E Society, when we first started doing that one, like I said, it was on my show. And then I had told Theo, I said, you know what? Because he got the bug to do the show.

Because he was like, hey, man, let's do this. Let's do that. And I said, you know what, dude, let's just start another show. I said, you're going to be in charge of it. Come up with the name. Come up with all the topics. You're the main host. I'll just be the side guy. And then he just took over and he always comes up with all the ideas. On that show, we usually talk about pretty much everything. movies, TV, sports, and just pretty much whatever's going on in today's society. We do kind of stay away from the political stuff, but one episode we had to. But it's a good show, man. Theo's a good guy. And I think that show is pretty awesome to do, mainly because I don't have to worry about coming up with topics.

Because I had told them in the beginning, I said, it's going to be hard for me to try to think of something to do on my show, then think of stuff to do on this one. That's why I just let him do it all. And he's the main guy on that show. And I'm just there. But it was cool. It's a good show. I love it.

What we like to do around here to get the ball rolling is we do our cool of the week, which is anything, the one thing that you've seen or listened to or read or whatever this week that really stands out for you. So, Kevin, what's your cool of the week, man? What I want to do or what I want to talk about is I watched this, doctor. documentary yesterday. It was called I Am Your Father. I think it came out last year and it was a documentary about the actor that played Darth Vader in the original trilogy, Dave Proust. And a buddy of mine told me about it because I'm a huge Star Wars fan. And I was like, all right, man, that sounds cool. So I gave it a watch and it didn't realize all the drama and and the BS that he had to deal with, especially during the making of Return of the Jedi. Really? It seems like, I don't know if it was George Lucas himself

or just maybe his crew that he works with that just totally did Dave Brow's dirty. They don't invite him to any of the official Star Wars celebration conventions. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's a good document. mention you guys should check it out. It's, it was on Netflix. It's called I Am Your Father. Should have forced choked that ass. I know. I was like, damn, all this was going on. And I don't know, I don't want to ruin it for anyone,

but do check it out. It's really good. Pretty enlightening, huh? Yeah. Oh, man. I just, I met Dave Browell, uh, Dave Proust before. I met him at San Diego at Comic Con. Right. A few years, a few years back. And he was, he was an awesome guy. I was really kind of scared to approach him because if you look at him, he's just really tall guy. He just looked real serious. But then one of, someone in was there said, no, man, he's really cool. Just go up and talk to him because he was just sitting there.

Nobody was at his table. So I walked up and just told him and said, hey, man, I'm a really big fan of yours. And I started rambling off of some of the older movies he had done. And then he was like, oh, right on, cool. And we talked for a little bit. And he was a really nice guy. I mean, they also say that in the documentary. They're saying, yeah, he looks tough and everything, but he's a really cool guy if you go up to him.

So I was glad I did. I got a picture with him, so I was happy with that. Well, knowing you, man, I'll bet you I'm sure you had to mention Clockwork Orange. Of course I did. All right. Well, we've got another little tradition that Brian started a few weeks back called the Not So Cool of the Week. You got any entry for that? Ron DeRousey's fight last night

That wasn't cool at all I was going to say I wish I saw it Until I heard about it Oh man I don't think she showed up to fight I mean that's my opinion I mean some people might think I'm wrong But

That's exactly what you said Oh man Yeah she's I guess not quite there anymore man I don't know if she can compete at that level anymore Kind of weird Maybe she needs to just stick with acting, huh? No.

All right, Brian, how about you, man? Yeah, that falls in my not-so-cooled a week. All right. I think she was, I think she trained for the fight really hard because she was in fight shape a week before weigh-ins. My thing is, I think, I put it all on her trainer. her trainer has her believing she's a boxer right which she's not and she went out there and tried to box with a striker and like Kevin said the fight lasted 48 seconds yeah yeah exactly and

I knew it from the get-go because she came out and her stance was all wrong her head was straight up in the air and oh man she started eating punches from the get and about time she tried to go for a takedown she was already rocked and it was done. Didn't take it long, huh? Yeah, but what really pisses me off is these other female fighters that go online and have been kicking her when she's down all night long. Girls are catty. Yeah, and all I just want to say is a couple, a few years ago, women did not fight in the UFC.

Dana said they will never fight in the UFC. Then came Rhonda Rousey. So I'm not saying they need to kiss her ass or anything, but I just, you know, it just pisses me off that. Yeah, exactly. So that kind of, that fell in my not so cool of the week. My cool of the week is I've been, I've been catching up on a lot of movies for our best and worst show. Yeah, I've been doing that myself, man. Yeah, I got a few that, yeah, I got a few that.

might possibly slide in my worst. Ah, okay. Boy, man, we can't wait to hear about that. You're good at watching really shitty movies. I know. Like, Brian's just good at watching everything, dude. I don't know how you do it, man. Yeah, but I'm going to pass it off to one of you guys. Man, my cool of the week has got to be...

Okay, so, do you? you remember those little picture viewers that you had when you were a kid and you click a little button on the side you hold it up your face click a little button on the side of it and it turns a little slide and it's got the view that you put yeah the view master yeah view master yeah that's it well they make one now that's like a virtual reality thing right no shit yeah my kid got one for for christmas and of course i played with it because that's my job does it fit over a cell phone yeah you're talking about something else you stick a cell phone in it no shit shit.

Yeah, it's pretty awesome. All right. And so you can play all the virtual reality apps and movies and stuff through that. Right. So I played one called chair in a room, which is, it's really short and sweet. It's a little horror app that comes with the virtual reality junk. And it was super scary. Man, cool.

Yeah, you're just like in a chair in a room in the dark and you have a little flashlight that keep shutting out of batteries. And so you can turn on for a second and then it goes out. You turn it on for a second and it goes back out. You're stuck in the chair? Yeah. You're stuck in the room. So all you can do is kind of spin around in the middle of this room and look around and see what happens.

And there's some creepy stuff going on. It's totally worth it. It scared me. You didn't bring that over here with you, did you? I don't think so. Fuck, man. Damn, I got to check that out. That definitely sounds like the cool of the week, man.

Yeah, so it was surprisingly scary. Right. I thought you're cool of the week was that you guys are bringing Tony Romo back for Sunday. Oh, yeah. He is going to play Sunday, right? They got nothing to lose. I assume so, yeah. Well, they had nothing to lose last week either, and they put everybody in there.

But, you know, like they said, the roster's not that big. Everybody's going to get a chance to play, except Tony, apparently. Poor Tony. Poor Tony. Yeah, it'll be all right. We're going to have to cut him or trade him to fit him in the salary cap next year, so we'll see what happens. Yeah, well, my cool of the week, I'm doing what you're doing, Brian, trying to catch up on some stuff that I'm thinking is possibly going to go on, like,

best of, worst of. My cool of the week was the little movie I watched last night called The Autopsy of Jane Doe. I wanted to watch that stuff. Oh, yeah. If I can knew I was going to love it. Yeah. I think it fell apart a little bit in the third act. It tried to get fit a little too much in.

Oh, I got you. But like the first third of it was flawless. And then the middle part was pretty good too. I mean, the acting on the part of Brian Cox and then the guy who plays his son. Brian, can you think of that guy's? Email Hirsch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were both spot on.

And, I mean, this could have, it could have been like basically a play, you know. know the way it was all set for the most part in one room. But yeah, that's definitely my cool of the week. And I didn't really have a not-so-cool of the week. I mean, I didn't watch too much this week that was totally shitty, which was nice for a change, you know? I had a – hold on. The first cool of the week I was going to talk about was a Donnie-N movie because I'm just being on a kick of him after Roe 1. I watch

2013's a special ID I go to Walmart and just dig through that big old bin of Blu-rays and I haven't seen this one so I just picked it up and it was pretty good man if you love Donnie Ann just it was a cool story

some of the acting was a little cheesy but I usually watch his movies mainly for all the fight scenes and all the fighting was awesome check it out I believe it's streaming on Netflix also what's it called again special ID Special ID.

So it's primarily a kung fu movie? Yeah, it's undercover cop dealing with triads and I think China somewhere in China And then just all out just kicking ass in between all that. Undercover brother. Yeah. Well, I know you got Brian's attention. I know he's probably going to check that out. It's Donnie Yen.

Why not? All right, boys. If you didn't know, Kevin, which I think you've heard our show before. So you know what time it is right now? Time to take a trip to the trailer park. The trailer park. We take a look at the big, the small,

and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first trailer to talk about this week? The first one we're going to talk about is Pitchfork, starring Daniel Wilkinson, Brian Rates, Lindsay, Nicole, directed by Glenn Douglas Packard. so how did you guys feel about this one a very definitely 80 slasher movie

vibe to it you know they're trying to bring back the the horror monsters yeah this is the one I didn't see guys out of the three so I'm having to leave this one up to you guys and it started the trailer started out

cool until they show the pitchfork guy and then I kind of lost it a little. But I mean, I love watching these type of movies. I'll still check it out. I mean, from the little bit from the trailer, it just I don't know.

Yeah, it's definitely no Jason or Freddie, but it's it's trying to be one of those. And yeah, I'll see how it goes. I kind of felt the same way when I first seen like a trailer for a hatchet, but I ended up

loving those movies. Oh, yeah. Especially the first one, man, with that Tony Todd cameo? Yes. Reverend Zombie, right? Yeah. I'm looking... Go ahead.

I'm looking at the poster right now, and I don't know. I mean, I'll definitely get my two cents after I watch it, but I don't know what kind of mask he's wearing. It looks like a bear mask or something. I don't know. Yeah. That was really confusing. Yeah, they show it really fast in the trailer, but if you look up the poster, I mean, it's, I don't know. Something's just wrong with this dude, but I guess we'll see when it comes out.

Yeah, this is actually coming out. January 13th. All right, cool. Yeah, when you guys said pitchfork, I thought maybe it was like a guy in a devil costume or something, but that ain't the case, huh? No, he has an actual pitchfork for arm. Oh, fuck. Okay. Interesting.

All right. You want to move on? Yeah, our next one is Pickings, starring Lynn Jordan, Lily Brooks O'Brien, Michelle Holland, and directed by Usher Morgan. Not the Usher, is it? Oh, no, that's Usher Raymond, right, the singer? Yeah. Okay.

What did you guys think about this one? I this one looked at the the trailers that we watched well other than the next one but this one uh it looks cool um right um did anyone the guy there's a guy talking through the trailer for some reason i thought it was matthew mccanahe until they actually show whoever the guy the actor is the character right um but this one man it looks good i mean it kind of really grabbed me right from the get go and uh i don't know man I doubt it'll come into the theater in my area, so I'll just have to wait until it's on VOD or somebody throws it online. Right.

Yeah, I'm guessing this is going straight to VOD. Yeah, this is one that when it started up, man, I was telling Philip, this looks boring as shit, you know. I don't know which trailer I watched, but it looked really bad. Just a chick talking, right, like with a real heavy southern accent? I don't think so. Oh, okay. That's what I kind of picked up on, but I hope I watched the right trailer. Toward the end, it looked pretty action-packed, actually.

The one I saw was like very Tarantino-esque. I mean, but it was the same show. But basically a female, basically a female John Wick? Is that the vibe you guys got? I mean, it looks like a revenge, a revenge, straight revenge movie. Yeah, yeah. Right. I wouldn't say she's on John Wick's level, though.

but she's no Keanu Reeves yeah at the end of the trailer when the two guys are sitting there all beat up and bloody

um did that guy have a take a bullet to the head I don't know it looked because he kind of asked the dude next to him you know I guess to look at his wound or something

right I don't know it looked like he took a shot to the head I don't know. I was a little thrown off by that. Yeah, I don't know. But, I mean, the trailer, man, it looked cool. It made me want to see it.

So I can't wait to watch it. Okay. This one's coming out June 1st. Sounds like it's worth checking out. Moving on to probably, well, I'm pretty sure it is, the last big trailer of the year, Alien Covenant. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah.

this star is Michael Fastbender Catherine Waterson James Franco who was just recently announced that he was in the movie I didn't see him in the preview Yeah Newme Rapace

Guy Pearce Billy Crudder Danny McBride Right Nice Danny McBride With James Franco Oh shit

Yeah real quick Just to get into that Why do you think this James Franco casting news was like kept so secret. Oh man, don't tell, don't tell me that this is kind of like how they tricked us, baited and switched with that 10 Cloverfield Lane. Don't tell me this is the end part

two. Well, maybe the last second thing. I don't know. Yeah, no, I don't know, man, but the trailer looked really fucking awesome, man. It had a lot of the alien vibe in it, and it had a lot of the Cameron aliens vibe in it. too, I thought, with the military and everything. It looked like a return to form to me. I didn't do any reading.

I mean, the trailer was awesome. I mean, it did get me excited. And a few weeks back, we got the poster with just a picture of an alien. And I don't know about this one. How is it a continuation from Prometheus or is this just going to be years later? I was curious about that too. Yeah, from what I'm understanding. understand it's a sequel to Prometheus, but it's going to lead into the whole alien mythology.

Okay. But I, from the trailer, it looks like they're getting as far away as possible from Prometheus. I mean, there's, of course, there's Michael Fastbender and a couple little things that are nods to Prometheus, but this looks like a straight aliens movie. Yeah, because that, uh, at the end of Prometheus, I mean, the one main girl, I can't remember her name, her and David took off in one of the ships to chase that other one. That's right. And then, I don't know, I assume that's what we were going to get in this next movie.

And then now watching this trailer, I don't even know if we can get any of that. Well, at least maybe, hopefully they tackle it in the beginning of the movie. But, I mean, this kind of just reminded me of the original alien. Yeah. And I don't know. Yeah, I'm excited for it. I mean, anything alien, I loved all of them. Yeah.

I don't know. We'll see when it comes out. Yeah, not to interrupt. Sorry, man, but Kevin, you rewatched Prometheus a couple of weeks ago, man. So you probably have a little better insight than we do. I mean, you've seen it more recently than we have, you know? Yeah, I'm going to watch it another time. A buddy of mine, he's going to come on my show and we're going to talk about it because he really read into it.

And I had to, after we had seen it together, the first time it came out. And I was like, what the hell's going on? I mean, what is all this? And then after he did all the research and reading, and then he came back and explained to me, this is why this happened and that happened. And I'm like, all right, I didn't get any of that from the movie. So I had to keep watching it over and over. The first time I saw it, I was like, eh, that was okay.

Just mainly because I had more questions than answers. I got you. But it's an all. movie altogether. I've seen it numerous times now and I just, I don't know. I still need to watch it again to try to put pieces it together. And with this one, Covenant, I'm just hoping that they answer some of the, some of those questions from Prometheus. But I don't know, man. I'm just going by what we've seen in the trailer so far. I don't know if we're going to get any of that because supposedly at the end of Prometheus, that was supposed to be the first alien that came out of a, the engineer at the very last scene before the credits. And that one, it kind of looked like the aliens we have seen so far in the movies, but it looked just a little bit different. And now in this one, it seems like we're getting the aliens that we've already seen,

the xenomorphs. This is a legit aliens movie. From everything I read about Prometheus, it was supposed to be in the same universe, but it wasn't actually an aliens movie. is what I've been told, even though there's, I mean, obviously is. But that's what Ridley Scott said anyway. Brian, you were going to say something, man? Yeah, I'm really interested to see how Danny McBride does,

because from what I read, this is a non-cometic role for him. Oh, no. I really wanted him and James Freygo to be the comic relief. I was like, okay, I'll definitely watch that movie. I just hope he's like the smart ass from the, from the, from the trailer, it looks like he's just the pilot of the ship. So I'm hoping he just

throwing his one-liners in the movie. That'll be good enough for me. I hope so, man. This one is due May 19th. All right. Safe to say that's going to be on our list, right? Definitely. Cool.

All right, well, it's time now for horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. Take it away, Brian. Okay, our first news is expendable Four is officially greenlit and will be rated R. Four? How many of these things are there?

Three. This This will be the final one and so far so far only confirmed is Stallone, Schwarzenegger, and Statham. Okay, so they may minimalize back down to basics

again for this one a little bit. Yeah, the only rumor that might, the only rumor that might be actually true is Pierce Brosnan. Oh, no. No, no, no, no. He's going to be a James Bond time. Remington Steel? Remington Steel? I'd forgotten about that one.

Did you guys ever see that movie he was in The Taylor of Panama? Uh-uh. That was actually pretty good. He was kind of like an evil James Bond. Yeah, he was a spy in that one, but he didn't have the ethical code that James Bond lives by. Oh, I got it. So he was, yeah, doing a lot of sleazy stuff. But I thought, in a way, I thought it was kind of like him making fun of his James Bond role a little bit.

It's a pretty good movie if you ever get a chance to see it. Kind of a sort of indie film. I don't even remember. Go ahead. Did you like any of the James Bond films that he was in? No. Gold and I was awesome. I didn't.

I wasn't a big fan of him as Bond. I thought he did. Yeah, neither was our. I liked him. Well, he was better than Timothy Dalton, I thought. Out of his movies, I only liked the second one. I can't.

It was the one after Golden Eye. I don't remember the name of it, mainly just because Michelle Yow was in it. But all those last up. Tomorrow never dies. Is that the one? I think so. I don't know. One of them.

Yeah, I didn't care. I didn't care for either one of them that much. How many? he make like three or four just my opinion yeah i think he made sense about right yeah i think three hold on a little bit more about james bond to me my james bond when i grew up was roger more yeah same here i watch all his movies and they're cheesy as hell but i i love him i mean he's my james bond that i grew up um pierce brosnan my son my son mark my oldest son uh he loved playing uh the james bond games golden eye and wherever else he's games you know he's

came after that. And I was talking to him, well, who's your James Bond? He said Pierce Brosnan because he loves Daniel Craig now. Right. But he was like, that's how he bases it like me. I mean, Roger Moore was who I grew up with. And I love all those ones he did. Yeah, they're all cheesy and stupid.

But, yeah, Roger Moore is James Bond. See, I always watched the, my dad's a huge Bond fan. I always watched the Sean Connery ones. So that's my guy. But I thought Pierce Brison did a great job. He hates Daniel Craig. I like him a lot. I think Craig's okay.

I think he's kind of middle of the road. I'm definitely with Kevin on this one. He's a little more hard-nosed. Yeah, Roger Moore was my favorite, and then Sean Connery a close second, and, you know, I guess on from there, you know. I like that Craig does a tough James Bond thing. Right. That's cool to me. I still say Idris Elba.

Hey, you know, that's still my pick, but we'll see if that ever happens. Be a bad James Bond. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Okay, by any chance, did you guys see the images of the new Pennywise Entertainment Weekly put out? No, no. Who's the guy now? One of the Scarsguards, I don't know which one.

Oh, okay. Um, different. Uh, I don't know if I'm necessary. I'm, I'm so used to the original Tim Curry version. I don't, I don't necessarily, I have to see how the movie goes. Uh-huh. Which, um, we're actually getting that movie, uh, September 8th. So.

Yeah, that's how I feel about this one, man. I mean, the original 90s movie TV movie miniseries it was on. I loved it. the very end when they actually showed the spider or whatever the hell it was. I just thought it was crappy. But, I mean, the movie as a whole and everything was awesome. And Tim Curry as Pennywise was amazing. But when they first started showing images of Pennywise, I was kind of like, I don't know.

I mean, I was all right with his makeup and how his head looks. But when they show the full body shot of the, of the. clown outfit that he's wearing. I was like, I don't know, but I mean, like Brian says, I'll wait. I'll wait until we see it. Because who knows? In my mind, yeah. Oh, yeah, he's got a weird little skirt thing going.

Yeah, they said it's supposed to be mixed with different eras, Victorian and other stuff. Like, yeah, I'm going to just hold judgment until I see a trailer or something. Yeah, we'll see how goes. Yeah, it looks like little

Lord Fauntleroy there. I'll fucking pass on that. Yeah, but I'm, yeah, I'm with you guys, man. The TV miniseries was pretty good buildup and everything, but yeah, that ending scene with the spider kind of blew it. I thought the same thing with the stand. Did you guys see the 80s mini-series, TV miniseries, the stand? I don't know why they kept doing miniseries.

Yeah, but it was really, really good until the final battle sequence, and then it was just stupid, you know? I thought all those Stephen King miniseries that they did, like the whole first half were good, and then in the ends they just kind of just fell off. Same thing with the stand, I didn't like the showdown in Vegas or whatever that hell that thing was, especially in the movie The Langaleers,

that was good all the way until they showed them. Yeah. until they showed what the langilers were. They looked like little walnuts with Razor Blade T. The CGI back then was horrible.

I mean, I was like so disappointed. Yeah, and it's hard to go back and watch stuff like that. We'll get into that in one of the movies that we're recording later. All right. Moving on to our last news items. It's been the slow news week.

I brought up the movie Hatchet earlier. The Hatchet series is going to continue through a comic book series by American mythology. Cool. Yeah, I saw some of the artwork you posted, Brian, on the website. I like it, man. I like the idea. Yeah, like I said, I'm a fan of the movie, so I'm definitely at least check out the first issue. Right.

Yeah, I mean, I love the movies. the first one being the best one. But yeah, I'm a big comic book reader, so I'll definitely check it out. Yeah, we're getting this one pretty soon here, March. Sometime it March. So everybody, if you guys are interested in the Hatchet series, look out for that. All right, I'm going to check it out. So you guys ready for listener feedback?

Hold on. Hold on just a second. Go ahead. I'm on Upcoming Horror Movies.com and I'm looking at the remake section and there's some of these that they're either in development or just in talks. I don't

know about some of these. I'll just read the titles. Nightmare on Elm Street, that's in talks. Alice Sweet Alice, I guess that's in development. I thought the original movie was fine as it is, but who knows, we'll see. American Psycho, I do not know why they're making that. Yeah, they're

It's in development, so I don't know, man. That second one was horrible, but that first one, man, just leave it alone. Yeah. It probably shouldn't remake that one. American Whirlow in London, I think that original one is fine the way it is. I don't like how they go back and mess up the classic movies that I grew up with. You don't think John Landis' son can do anything with it? I don't know.

I mean, we'll see. but I just thought the first movie was perfect I mean it was fine not so much it didn't it kind of went along with the book but not really but I don't know what we'll see another movie another movie concerned with it's the the American Psycho though it's too soon

oh yeah I don't know yeah we'll see another one that kind of it just I'm just reading this list really quick it pisses me off as the movie audition it's in pre-production. Did you guys see that one? That's a Japanese film, right? Yes. Yeah, I saw it a long time ago, man.

I don't remember it too well. I remember it was pretty gory. I mean, it was a good movie. I mean, the ending is pretty much what everyone talks about. I mean, but I thought it's a really slow burn. But, I mean, I enjoyed the movie. It's going to be Americanized version, so I don't know. I don't like when they do that.

But, yeah, we'll see. Another one, Battle Royal. I think they should leave that movie alone, but that's just my opinion. They already remade that one in America. It's called The Hunger Games. Oh, geez. Yeah, basically. I guess they're doing Day of the Dead again.

I don't know why. I mean, those two other ones they put out were horrible. Zombies are hot right now. Yeah, they've already released set picks from that one online. Well, as long as it's, if it's better than the remake, I'll be all right with it. Right. Yeah, it looks way better than that Nick Cannon bullshit they put out. Oh, my God.

Nick Cannon, really? The fuck you all talking about it. Yeah, it had Nick Cannon and Ving Rames and somebody else. Nina Safari. Yeah. I think I'm never watched it out. I don't remember Nick. Savari in it.

All right. You guys have lost me. I got to laugh at it. What is it? It had nothing to do with. the original. Oh, boy. When they started crawling,

when the zombies started crawling on the ceiling, I was like, oh, my God, I had to turn it off. And it's called Day of the Dead? Yeah. Yes. Oh, shit. How, when do you guys think it came out? Uh,

the original one or this one? Well, the, yeah, the one you guys are talking about. Oh, that was in the 90s, I would say. In the 90s, okay. Either that early 2000. Early 2000s, maybe. I may go back and try to find it. I may not.

Just for a laugh, you know. And this, another one that's in development, there's no plot for it right now is Gremlins. Leave it alone. Man, that's like remaking Jaws, dude. There's no way they should be doing that. Yeah, I mean, there's a million other movies on here, but I'm just like, oh, my God. Those are kind of the ones that are pissing me off. Or here's two more.

Maximum Overdrive and Near Dark. No way. They want to remake those. No. Leave them alone. Oh, boy. Man, you're bringing me down, Kevin. I can't believe they're doing this, man.

There's a huge list on upcoming horrormovies.com if you want to see the rest. I don't want to read it anymore. I'm getting mad. Wow. Man, that's infuriating. I'll still watch Grimlins. I'll get excited about that. The new one?

Yeah. Jesus. It'd probably be a CGO. Oh, I hope not. I like the puppets. Damn. All right, well, you know, I guess, as has been told to me before, if you don't like the remake, just don't watch it, you know?

Fair enough. So whatever. But still, you know, it's still kind of, you're right, man, it's like, what's the point? It's better, like, something like this autopsy of Jane Doe, which was like a completely out of nowhere, totally original story, you know? Why can't they just do more of that kind of stuff, you know? Because they don't get as much money from it. I'm sure you're right.

Patrick Lear, once again, sent us an email regarding Rogue One. It does contain a few spoilers. I'll let you know before those happen. So if you're one of the six or seven people who haven't seen it yet, you might want to fast forward a couple minutes. Not to the wrong spot. He says, hey guys, I thought I would share my thoughts on this iconic movie franchise. I really enjoyed Rogue One.

To date, I think it is by far the best, Star Wars movie since the original trilogy and possibly better than one or two of those. Wow. Dude, those bold words. I can't say I argue with him too much. The story was great, not rehash like we got from Force Awakens, which is what I heard a lot. I went into this movie with some higher-than-normal expectations due to the fact that it was a one-off movie, and I'm happy to say I wasn't disappointed.

I felt there was a nice blend of action and story, and the film movie. moved along at a fairly good pace, so it didn't feel slow at times. I give it a solid eight. Now, here's the spoilers. Turn it off. I won't hear anything. I love some of the really cool Easter eggs and cameos in the movie. The game that was being played at the bar of the city that gets destroyed first.

He said he forgot the name of it. But if you notice, it was the physical game of the holographic game that was being played by Chewbacca on the Millennium Falcon in a New Hope. And then the guy that bumps into Jen at the same city is also the one that accosts Luke Skywalker

in Moss Isley. Although I think it was a different actor. Well, I assume so since it was 30 years ago. There were a couple of others, I'm sure I missed, but a bunch of it was pretty cool to see them in there. And how about the movie takes you right up to the beginning of a new hope? I fucking loved that.

I also thought that the reprogrammed robot was great. Too bad he had to die. Why can't we get a cool new characters like that in the ongoing series? I can't argue with any of it. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Thought I would send them ahead of time for your show on the movie. Looking forward to hearing the next show. Also, Stephen Loblad gives us the following feedback based on our Rogue One review.

in the middle of the podcast but when Lance says the Empire fucking people Oh Sorry Reading it cold But when Lance says The Empire fucking people over

Like their job does I lost it And yes I can relate Perfect Oh man Thanks Stephen I appreciate that man Thanks to everyone

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at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. We love to hear from everybody. All right, so guys, before we move on to our feature films, Kevin, I got one question specifically for you. What's up? All right, so, as we just talked about, they do bump into a couple of characters that are some pretty rough and tumble guys that Luke and Hansi, when they go to the Maas Isley canteena, dude, how fucking fast do you think they had to get to their ship to get off

that goddamn planet to be a... around for the Mazza canteena. No kidding, right? That's a, I don't know what show I did it on, but that's what we were talking about. I mean, like, they must have been on their way to their ship and got the hell out of there. Yeah. I just saw it again yesterday for the fifth time. Right.

Nice. During all that, when they were kind of evacuating after, I think some of the town people knew that something was going down because once the Star Destroyer left, and you can see a lot of ships taken off. I mean, but it was, there was a lot of imperial Thai fighters and everything else flying around there. So, who knows, maybe one of those ships was them when they took off. So, because that was like the first question after their, if you guys haven't seen it by now, I mean, I'm just going to spoil it.

But after when they blew up, um, what the hell was that, that planet called? You're talking about it? They blew up the full planet, like on the second? No, no. No. No, the city that they blew up. Just the city itself? Yeah. Was it Jada or Jada?

It sounded like Jedi. Jetta. Jetta. There you go. Yeah. When they blew that up. So, I mean, it just, I don't know. Everyone got the hell out of there.

Well, whoever had a ship got out of there. That was the only reason I thought. They were probably on their way to the ship and they took off. Right. Obviously, those two got out, right? I mean, there was a lot of, I mean, he was the, this listeners talking about spoilers, man. There was a lot of them in there. Yeah.

I caught all the ones he had mentioned. There's also, if you watch the Rebels cartoon that's on Disney, they had mentioned a character in that I can't remember the name. It was when they're on Yavin 4. You can hear the announcement over. I can't remember the character's name because I haven't watched Rebels yet. I read it. Theo also told me about it. They say whoever the character's name is, it's like clear as day.

And everyone, everyone that was like, they watched rebels. They were all like, oh, my God, hell yeah. And I was like, okay, whatever. I didn't watch the show you yet. But I thought that was cool. Right. That is cool. Yeah, I know they were talking about Saul, the, what's his name?

The like, dude, with the Lacey Eye. Fores Wittaker. Yeah, the Forrest Whitaker character. I know they were talking about Saul. on that Star Wars Rebels show. I haven't watched it in a few years, but it seems like they try to throw some cameos in there and just keep you interested.

Yeah, that's pretty cool, man. I like the way they keep the cannon going, you know? I saw image. I don't know if someone added it, but they were saying Jar Jar Binks was in this, or not him, maybe a gun gunner. Right. Every time I've watched it after I saw that,

I've been looking, and I can't see it. They say it's really fast, but right now all the time, times that I'm seeing it now. I've been watching a lot of the stuff in the backgrounds and I haven't seen it but I mean, Rogue One was awesome. I loved it. It's probably my

number one movie of the year and I'm going to see it more times because I just can't get enough Star Wars. I'm happy in the beginning when Disney took over I was really against it because I didn't want them to kid friendly

don't know. Don't Disney up my Star Wars. Yeah, And I think this movie, I mean, if I loved Force Awakens, but I think this movie was the ultimate Star Wars Disney movie so far. They've only given us two, but that kind of, I'm totally on board now with Disney being a part of it. Other than I know they have the money to make it awesome. And, I mean, this movie was awesome. It was mainly for the fans and for the kids too, because, I can't remember where I heard this.

Some people was asking, is it okay for little kids? Because they're hearing that it's really violent. And they're hearing spoilers all over the place, and everyone's dying in it. Right. And I think it is, I mean, because the deaths aren't, like, bloody and body parts flying everywhere. So, I mean, I think it's pretty good.

I think little kids can handle it. I think so. Awesome, awesome movie. Walking Dead, so. I might not be the one to ask. Well, guys. Guys, I think our train's here. I think we're about ready.

You guys ready to head over to the depot and take on our featured attractions for the evening. Let's do it. All right, well, tonight we're going to take the train to Busan. But first, let's climb on to 1980s Terror Train. I don't want to be on that train. Hey, man, you're in for a penny, in for a pound on this show, man. If you're in it, we're all in it together.

So the director of Terror Train is Roger Spottiswood, also known for the pursuit of D.B. Cooper, Turner and Hooch. Of all things. And have you guys ever seen that Arnold Schwarzenegger movie The Sixth Day? Yes. Yeah. He directed that one as well. Ryder was Ty Drake, also known for a lot of television work, including McGiver. the idea for Terror Train came from a dream that Daniel Grodnick had. One weekend night after seeing the film's Halloween and Silver Streak,

Dan woke up and said to his wife, Honey, what do you think about putting Halloween on a train? His wife answered, that's terrible. He jotted down terrible train on a piece of paper on his nightstand. In the morning, he changed the title to Terror Train, wrote up 22 pages, and made a deal on it with Sandy Howard's company at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Not a great origin story. Magician David Copperfield, what said of this movie that he appeared in, film is a magnifying glass for magic. So I had to be very careful. What you see on screen is exactly what the extras saw during shooting. And finally,

the train used in the film, Canadian Pacific Railway number 1293 was still on Operation locomotive as recently as February 2002. So, Kevin, you're our guest. We always give you the honor as our guest of getting things going, man. So what did you think about 1980s terror train? I am an 80s kid, and 80s horror is what I grew up on.

And this movie, I remember the first time I saw the little TV spot for it, and I was blown away. I mean, I just love these type of movies. And then when I finally saw the movie, I was just like, oh, my God, I want more of this. I mean, it is cheesy. The acting is horrible. But that's what we had in the 80s. That's what horror to me was based on, slasher-wise. And this was in the beginning of the whole slasher films.

And it had everything in it that you wanted, man. just kids being stupid killing going on for first when I heard it when the train I was like really there's not too much you can do on it because you're stuck on a train you can't go anywhere but I mean for what it was I love this movie to death it's it's one of my favorites I've had every pretty much every form of it that it's been out VHS DVD and I have the

Screen Factory Blu-ray and I love it I mean this this movie's awesome especially Jamie Lee Curtis I mean after Halloween. I was in love with her and I just seen pretty much everything that she came out horror-wise in the 80s. And this movie's amazing. Nice, man. I can't

argue with you too much. Yeah, I think it was definitely a fun movie. It screams 80s. Was that, okay, so was that David Copperfield? Oh, yeah. Wow. Okay, that didn't even click because he was one of my favorite guys growing up. I used to love

watching David Copperfield. I thought it was, it was really fun, man. It was definitely 80s slasher at its, at its infancy, you know what I mean? And it was, it had a whole lot of cheese in it, and it was a slasher movies, so, you know, slasher movies have cheese. But it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it was, it was definitely a fun time, guys.

I do remember when the movie first started and they were doing like the opening sequences and everything and they showed that old that old prank gone wrong and stuff like that. I got a real big fucking kick out of that. The way the kid, he was turning around in circles and such. I don't understand. I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? Yeah, that added a lot of fun to it for me. Yeah, that let me know.

This was my first time watching it. And that scene let me know what I was in for, right, Jared. Right. Yeah. As if you didn't know already, huh? This is the kind of movie you're going to be watching. You better you're ready. Yeah.

Yeah, but as far as the film went on, this is one of those movies where I actually was kind of like anticipating the mystery part of it. I was really enjoying, you know, trying to figure out who the killer was. I kept thinking it was a female for some reason. Oh, really? See, I didn't. Yeah. I was going to think that was going to think that was going to be.

be the big twist. I didn't catch the twist at all. And right, you know, until the very end of it. And I was like, oh, wow, I probably should have seen that. Because at one point, I realized, hmm, that looks weird. You looked a little weird. Well, I didn't, well, when they said they thought it was Copperfield, I knew immediately

that wasn't the case. I mean, I knew that was a red, I mean, that was very much a red herring that for me wasn't a red herring. Because I knew immediately that was just, you know, complete bullshit. But like I said, I kept thinking it was going to end up being one of the females, which was, I don't know where I got that idea from, just because

this little dwebish guy was so skinny or whatever. In a way, I guess he kind of was a female. He was a cross-dresser at one point in the movie, which I didn't see that part coming. Did you guys, could you guys tell that was a dude? You know, I kept wondering, I don't know, she, well, he came off like super weird look at it because I just kept every time she or he or whatever came on screen I just kept

looking I was like is this a man yeah right see there was one scene during the during the magic performance where I was like right huh that's kind of an ugly chick yeah not a great looking chick

there huh for a magician assistant apparently dabre copperfield couldn't tell if it was a man or woman no shit not ugly but just awkward yeah just awkward Awkward. Yeah, definitely not as good looking as the one we saw from a few weeks back in the prestige, huh?

Yeah. That's what I love about this movie. I mean, you knew what it was going to be. It's just going to be murder and mayhem on a train. Right. But the twist at the end when Kenny was the name of the guy from the beginning. And they do, I mean, you watch it now, they do show his face a lot. And when they show the ladies, the magician's assistant, when they show her face, I mean, it wasn't hiding and it was clear as day other than she didn't have glasses on.

So I think that's one of the main reasons I really love this movie. The first time watch, I did not see that coming. Right. And you watch it now, like I said, you can clearly see that it's him. Wow. I had no idea. First I was thinking it was David Copperfield. and I was like nine years old when I first saw this

but I was just like how did I not see this and for you guys I mean you guys Brian it said it was the first time watching you didn't even see that coming that's why I love this movie I mean there was so much crap that came out in the 80s

but I think this is one of them that had that twist to where you didn't realize who the killer was until at the very end when he looks up when he's holding Jamie Lee's hands, and then when he looks up, he looks up and you see his face, and then he has that flashback of what happened, and then they show him as the assistant. I was like, what the fuck, man? It just blew my mind.

Yeah, it's a, the movie's a magic trick, basically. It's an illusion, which is cool. And, you know, one thing I really enjoyed about it, and I think it's kind of like it was a product of its time, but it was almost like a little musical and magic variety show. mixed in with a horror movie, you know, and I thought that was pretty cool. The way they cut, they cut away to that, and they kind of shook things up a little bit. It's kind of like you were watching an old, you know, late 70s variety show, like a Christmas special or something like that. But they just happened to have a killer.

With some boobies and blood. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You can never go wrong with boobies and blood, right, guys? I think my favorite character in the whole movie was the actor Ben Johnson. He was, um... Oh, yeah. The conductor, right? Yes.

I loved him in a lot of the movies he had done. And this one, I mean, he just, I think they needed a big face in this movie. I mean, we all, by this time in 80, everyone knew who Jamie Lee Curtis was because of Halloween. Right. I think they went with, we need someone a little more well-known to try to get the older audience into the theater. I don't know if it worked, but it made this movie is great. I mean, it's awesome. I had everything that you wanted in the 80s slash.

movie. I mean, I think the biggest question I had in this movie is when one of the characters Doc, he's sitting there next to, I think the character's name was Mo. Jamie Lee's boyfriend.

They're sitting there watching David Copperfield do his performance and then he does this disappearing trick and then you see Mo kind of just fall over. They're sitting in this packed train car. They're sitting in this packed train car.

how did the killer get over to him and slice his throat or stab him whenever? I mean, there's no way you saw anyone come near him to stab him. I think at that point, that's when I really did think it was David Copperfield. Right. Because I was like, well, okay, well, he used magic to do something. But then to this day, I'm still blown away at that one part. I was like, how the hell did someone get close enough to stab him? him.

They at least explain the, uh, the, the, the, the freakish, like, like, you know, Michael Myers just keeps getting up and, and stabbing people. And you're like, okay, if he's a human being, he's fucking dead. But, uh, in this movie, they at least explain why people just get killed randomly. And it's, you know, hey, well, maybe he's a magician, you know, it kind of makes sense now. Well, one, one, one touch in this movie, guys, that I noticed that I really appreciated was they got, But there's something that's in horror movies that you get all the time now. I call it the cell phone solution, which is like, okay, so you're out in the middle of nowhere,

you're in a cabin in the woods, or there's a killer effie in your house. How are you going to, you have to find a way to explain early on how the cell phones don't work. There's either no reception, somebody loses it, because otherwise you just call the police and they're there. Well, they did this way before cell phones, but with the radio on the train. Yeah. Did you guys notice that early on? They made it very evident that there was no working. radio on the train. So I thought

that was a pretty cool touch. I love this movie. I mean, the kills were cool and everything. What was funny was, I mean, what was not funny, but the thing that I loved about this, about the killer was he was never, he kept changing

costumes because it was like, what, New Year's, it was New Year's Eve and it was a big costume party on the train. So I loved how he kept changing his costume. So he was throwing everyone off. He really didn't know because in the poster, you see him. He's wearing the looks kind of like a Groucho Marx mask. And he's got the conductor hat on and the little suit.

And that was the guy that was dressed up like him at the beginning of the movie before they all got on the train. So I love that how he just kept changing costumes throughout the, each time he killed somebody. So did you guys know that Vanity, Prince's prior girlfriend, Vanity, was in this movie? Really? Yeah, I realize. That was Cleopatra, right? Oh, my God, yes.

I didn't even realize that until I started watching. I'm like, is that vanity? And I look it up in the credits. God damn, it is. And she didn't go by that name. So I guess this was maybe like right before, you know, she had her music career and everything. But I thought that was pretty interesting, man,

that she was in it. Yeah, she went as D.D. Winters in this. Deep Winters, okay. Yeah, her first name is Denise. At that time, she wasn't Vanity, so I wouldn't know. But later watching it on later on when Vanity was big, I went back to rewatch this because I was reading some article, and they were saying, yeah, Vanity started her career in a horror movie,

and it was Territrain. And I went, really? So I had to go back and watch it again. And I was like, shit, there she is. Pretty cool, man. Were you guys ready for scores? Yeah, let's do it. Kevin, what do you think, man?

You know how we do our ratings around here, right? It's number ratings, right? Yeah, just simply one through ten, man. Okay, I mean, like I said, I'm an 80s kid. I give this a 9. The reason I give it a 9 only because of the twist. Right. Mainly because I didn't see it coming at all.

Oh, yeah. And I just love these 80s cheesy slasher movies. I mean, there's some that were in the, 80s that I hate that I would probably give a zero or a one but I mean this isn't one of them I really love this movie so I give it a nine damn high high praise man setting the bar high here I guess I guess that's me next uh I'm gonna give it a 6.5 I think uh I think it was a lot of fun I'd never seen it before it was never even on my radar um but it's definitely worth going back and watching. I got I got totally sucked into it and really enjoyed it. You know, it's cheesy 80s.

It's not one of the one of the big names slasher movies, but it's definitely fun to watch. Cool. Who's, Brian, are you next or me? I can't remember. I can go ahead. I'm going to give it an eight. I had a lot of fun with this movie. I actually thought in some ways the acting was on point because, you know, those guys on the train, they really, I believe that they're douchey frat guys for real. I was going to say, are they douchebags for real, or were they just really good actors? With the exception of Kevin, you said his name was Doc. Oh, shit. He has got to be the worst medical student ever.

Those are his methods of reviving his friend, is shaking him and slapping him. I'm a doctor. Yeah. But, you know, I like Jamie Lee Curtis. You know, she, this looks like it was around, this looks like around the time of close to trading places. And that's one of my favorite roles for a couple of reasons right there. Sure. And, yeah, I'm going to give it an eight.

All right. Well, yeah, that's, Jamie Lee Curtis, to me, was a standout. I thought the plot was great. I really love the mystery aspect of it. This is one of those movies where I actually confession to make here, if any of my coworkers are listening. Yes, I did take an extra hour of lunch Thursday when I watched this, because I couldn't stop fucking watching it.

I know. Yeah, I plan to watch it, you know, over the course of two lunch periods at work, and I got so wrapped up in it, I had to finish it. So, in my opinion, Jamie Lee Curtis is the absolute quintessential scream queen. She always will be. Always will be for me. And I'll give it a seven, which for me is a pretty high score, man. I really, really, really enjoyed this movie.

It was after Halloween, I think all the movie studios were like, you know what, that was a little low-budget horror movie that just blew up. So, especially in the 80s, everyone, because there was a time in the 80s where these type of movies, these slasher movies were just coming out like every other week or pretty much every month. and it was an amazing time for horror in the 80s. I mean, a lot of them were stupid, but a lot of them were awesome. And this was one of them. Like I said, this was in the beginning. It was 1980 in the beginning of the whole slasher craze. And especially, like you said, Jamie Lee, she is, to me, every time I hear of scream queen, I think of her.

Yeah. And she's an amazing actress. She's done so much, so much work, mainly with the horror. stuff and then all the other previous things she had done and afterwards but I mean this movie I think the next this is the second movie I'd seen her in after

Halloween and then I think after that it was either Halloween 2 or prom no it was prom night prom night came out before that one oh yeah that was another classic man that chase scene where she's getting chased through the school man oh wow I'll never forget that

well and there's a scene in this movie where she's just like like is screaming and running away. And I immediately, when it happened, I thought, she is the scream queen. Yep. Yeah, she was. The era of that movie.

Yeah, that scene at the end, she was a trooper when he's choking her. Big time. Because you can see where she clearly knocks her head up against that door now. And, you know, she stays in character. Yes. I think one of the other reasons, I mean, I love this movie. I mean, there was, um, it was mainly

there wasn't like any much gore or anything it was mainly just the blood that they used I mean especially in the 80s the blood was usually like bright red or anything I mean they really didn't really need to go

too far with the gore in this one they did with the decapitation when Doc's head came rolling out I mean and that was it I mean it didn't need to be full of the special effects and everything I said pretty much just what was

going on in this movie, which was good. So, I mean, I love it pretty much all around. Well, then I think it's pretty safe to say that we all strongly recommend our listeners. Check this out. This is a really, really good example of an early 80s slasher movie. And you can't beat the, you can't beat the Jamie Lee Curtis factor as far as I'm concerned. And the good news is... And David Copperfield.

And David Copperfield. And you get a variety show in there too. And the good news is that it is a very good copy is on YouTube for free. So you don't even have to pay to see it. With Russian subtitles. Even better. Well, yeah. That's all right, man.

I can handle the Russian subtitles if it's free. You might learn something. You never know. But as good as that movie was, I got a feeling. A few of us may rate this next one just a little. little bit higher, but I guess we're going to find out. We're talking about the brand new film, Train to Busan, that came out this year. Director and writer was Sang-Ho Yangon, also known primarily for directing animated films, including Soul Station, as well as

the King of Pigs and the Fake. Train to Busan is the first South Korean movie to reach 10 million viewers in 2016. Jan Singh-ho made an animation film. Soul Station, which is the prequel to train to Busan. The events in Soul Station take place one day prior to the events in Train to Busan. And for the final piece of trivia, An So He, who plays the character, Jen He, is an ex-member of the famous K-pop group Wondergirls. So apparently they're huge in South Korea. So again, Kevin, our esteemed guest, if you would do the honor,

we'd love to get the ball rolling here. Train to Busan. This movie was fucking amazing. I loved it. This is my second favorite movie of the year. My number one horror movie of the year. And I had heard about this.

I can't out that I was reading something I don't remember. And I just read the whole premise of the movie. Then I watched the trailer. And I was just like, I need to, I need to see this movie. So usually movies like this don't really get a big play here in America, especially in the area that I'm at.

I mean, we rarely get these type of these movies. So I did some research and I found out that it was playing down in the Bay Area and that's where I'm from. So I said, you know what? I need to get down there and see it. I kick in myself now that I didn't make it down there to see. It was playing in one theater in San Francisco

and I didn't make it over there. I was just so bummed because I saw that it was online, so I watched it on there. And I was blown away with this movie. I mean, the acting was awesome. The effects were good. The CGI. Yeah.

It was decent, it was decent, but some of it. It wasn't too bad. It really wasn't bad. Yeah, it was, it wasn't, it wasn't, they didn't go over, they didn't go for it, really. at the beginning of the whole fast zombie craze I was kind of like eh or okay whatever

but and I mean I'm okay now with all these fast moving zombies and everything and this movie after I saw it kind of reminded me of a it had that World War Z vibe and and just

this movie if you haven't seen it I mean we've all seen it and I love it I've been telling everyone to see it I did a review of this on my show, but I didn't give away the ending because I wanted people to see it. But, I mean, the acting was amazing, especially the little girl, Suan. She just, she had me right from the get-go. All these characters made you feel for them in this. And there's, because there's some movies that you watch.

I mean, you don't feel for the characters. And I hate everybody. I just want everyone to die. But this movie, it made you feel for each and every one of them. the asshole in the whole movie. I mean, you just, you kind of felt a little for him, but then you just, I don't know. We'll talk about that, spoilers. I felt like I wanted him to die.

Exactly. I mean, but this movie, I can't say it enough. I want everyone to go see it. I can't wait for it to come out on Blu-ray because I'm going to buy it. And I'm hoping that there is a lot of extras on it for the making and everything. I just, I want to watch. it again after just now talking about it and everyone

go see this. It's online. Just look for it. Yeah, Brian, what do you think, man? I absolutely love this movie. You brought up the CGI. That's how much I love

this movie. The CGI did not take me out of it, not one bit. It wasn't the best CGI, but the story and the acting was on point for me. Like you said that little girl, she gave me the feels definitely. I got a little emotional there. And there's so many great characters in this movie.

Some you hate, some you love. And I thought it was just, I had my best of the year list set. And this just kind of fucked up my list. I had to rearrange some things. Wow. I'm going to kind of be on the opposite end of the spectrum here. I didn't, I enjoyed it. It was fun to watch, but man, your stupid people are going to play a big part in this review. Oh, yeah, we hadn't gotten into Brian's Stupid People section, yeah, but we got to do that before we end.

There was a whole lot of stupid people in this one. I felt like it was definitely worth watching. But, yeah, it's definitely not making my best movie of the year list. Is this one of your worst? No, it's not one of my worst in the year. It's kind of middle of the road. It's kind of middle of the road there. It was fun to watch, but it was definitely cheesy.

They had some cheesy effects, and there was a lot of times where I'm going, what the fuck are you doing? You know what I mean? Right. I feel like when I'm driving down the road and there's people in front of me and they don't know what the hell they're doing. And I'm just, you know, figure out where you're trying to go and get there. Drive with some sort of sense of purpose. Right.

And some of these people didn't have a sense of purpose. And that kind of irritated me. But overall, it was definitely fun to watch. So it was worth watching. You're glad you checked out. Yeah, I'm glad I checked that out. It was totally worth watching. My wife actually got caught up in it.

She was watching it. And she doesn't do the subtitle movies. Right. So that says something. Well, yeah, normally I wouldn't have gone out of my way to see a South Korean movie. But I've heard this movie worked up on a couple of different podcasts. And then Kevin, when you recommended it, that was kind of like the icing on the cake. I'm like, all right, I'm going to check this thing out.

And I was fucking blown away. I mean, I thought it was just a phenomenal movie. And I have a lot of problems with keeping up with the subtitles. And, you know, I have some issues with the cultural differences and stuff like that. But quite frankly, and I've heard this about South Korea before, is that of all the Asian countries, they're incredibly westernized as far as their philosophy and their fashion and their music and, you know, their sensibilities. So I found it really, really relatable. You know, I mean, the subtitles didn't take me out.

The special effects never took me out at any point at all. I love the sense of dread. And you guys fucking know how I feel about fast zombies. They fucking kill me every time. And these goddamn fast zombies were like extra fast. It's almost like they were... I mean, it was kind of like the... You guys have seen the...

The movies, the REC movies, the ones. the ones about the the fast zombies that are I think it's a Spanish series of films from now series of movies yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it reminded me a lot of that and it's just like when the zombies are fast like that

what the fuck are you gonna do yeah and it was almost more of it and also like it was kind of like 28 days later it's more of a rabies yeah they were like they were like normal human being fast though where they were just like full speed all the time Right.

It wasn't like extra fast because there's zombies now. I did. I did love the games they played with like when the lights on or the lights off and stuff like that. I thought that was really cool. And I liked the way that they got off the train. Because I thought they were just on this one train the whole way through the movie from beginning to end. And I love the way they got off on that one station. And then there was all that fucking chaos there with the, well, whoa, whoa.

Yeah. I should say, okay. Oh, man, darn it. Sorry about that, spoiler, folks. Well, that wasn't my story. We'll go into more of that later. Yeah, just suffice it to say they don't spend every second of the movie on the train. Yeah.

All right? I really like that intro. And there's chaos because it's a zombie movie. I like that intro part too where the guy hit the, what was it a deer at the beginning of the movie? Oh, yeah, yeah. And then he drives off and the deer gets up and runs off like all fucked up. Zombie deer. But, yeah, no, I loved it.

The acting was really good. I like the guy who played the, uh, the husband of the pregnant lady. Yeah, he was cool. I thought he was like a real hero. He was definitely a badass. Definitely had more respect for him than anybody else. But this is one of those movies that I won't go into the spoiler part of it yet.

But it did show the transformation of one guy from a complete selfish pussy asshole to pretty much a hero. Okay, what killed me though is that the whole time they were playing on this, you know, like there's some sort of consequences for caring for people and then not caring for people and that kind of thing the whole time they kept pushing that and then there was no there was no real payout at the end for that i mean i guess there kind of was but it wasn't well i mean it's a zombie man yeah it wasn't like here's our moral to the story don't be an asshole yeah i i just like the fact that they had some very fleshed out multifasted characters Yeah.

And not everybody was purely evil or purely good. That's true. And I really like the fact that you had that impending sense of dread the whole time. And it's almost like, what do you do? And, you know, I just say it's definitely definitely one of my favorite of the year. And I got to say the subtitles were a little weird. I don't think that they got all the translations. Quite right.

Some of it was weird. You know, I mean, like she kept calling that dude missed her. I mean, which, you know, you're reading subtitles on a movie. you can kind of get past it. But yeah, some of them were a little bit lost in translation, I think. Well, do any of you guys have any further non-spoiler thoughts before we do scores and then go into spoiler territory? Nah, I got nothing. I got a lot for spoilers.

Cool, cool. I thought you might. So what number are you giving it, my friend? A 10, flat out. Wow. I said this was my favorite horror movie of the year. And I just couldn't believe what I saw. I thought it was everything that it needed in a movie like this.

So my mom just 10 straight up. I believe that's our first 10 ever on this show. No, we've had tens. I gave a 10 for The Exorcist, remember? I would have gave it a 10. I probably gave it a 10 for Amityville when you guys were talking about that one. Oh, fuck that. Original one.

Man, we got to. I love that movie. Well, we'll do it. Hey, there's a new Amityville movie coming out, dude. So I'm officially inviting you to come on and guess with us, man. And we'll go through the whole Amityville series. Are you down for that, Kevin? Yeah, perfectly. I have done it on my show.

And I think that was the main reason I did it for my show, Amityville, because of this new one that was coming out. And then it was supposed to come out earlier this year. Now I got pushed to next year. So we'll see when it comes out. It's been pushed back a lot, man. I'm going to give it a nine Like I said I really really enjoyed this movie

I want you guys to go back and watch this in a year And tell me what it's it's coming out on BluBray on the 17th and I'm buying it Well not only yeah But Brian you told us a few weeks back on news They're already doing an American version right Yeah fuck that remake Exactly

I don't want to get into the remakes Because you know They're also remaking the raid redemption and just stop it. Just stop it. Like I said, they redid the raid when they called it dread. Yeah, that was awesome movie too, though. It really was, man.

There's no way they can remake this and capture what they had in this film. I don't see it happening. Totally agreed. And my score for this is an eight. So Philip, bring us down, man. I'm going to bring you way down, man. I'm going to give it a five. A five?

Whoa. Middle of the road. It's straight middle of the road to me, man. All right. And I mean, even that's kind of pushing it to me. Really? Yeah, I think it's super, super cheesy, man. And like I said, that whole payoff thing with the, I'm going to teach you life lessons,

and then just totally ignore what we've been teaching you the whole time. Right. Kind of, kind of irritated. All right. Well, it sounds like we need to get into some heavy sports. Yeah. Because, Philip, you're going to have some things to say, man. And Kevin, I know you're going to have some things to say.

So, uh, spoiler alert it is. And... This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking...

Who wants to start? Philip, I want you to start. You want me to start? there we go okay I think okay so when the guy

dies at the end I think that that kind of makes sense but I still feel like Which guy You mean the asshole The politician or whatever The main guy

Oh the redeemed guy Yeah the redeemed guy Yeah Who finally decides That he should sacrifice himself For his daughter Right Which you know

He should have been doing From the beginning of the movie But like they go Like I said They go through this whole like there's they keep implanting these little life lessons into you of don't be

an asshole because they have these such polar opposite characters in like the little girl who wants to help everybody and is a genuinely good person and then the the other guy who is what is he some

a conductor that got kicked off of that train or some shit I don't know who he is but he's he's an asshole ass hole ass hole man, I was waiting for that guy to die. Oh, you're talking about the CEO business guy? Yeah, that guy.

Oh, man, he was such a dick. And he lived a lot longer than a lot of the people. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, by fucking pushing them in front of the goddamn zombies and shit. I know, right? And that's what I'm saying. Like, are they trying to give you some sort of life lesson here

where, you know, I don't lose your, uh, mean people never prosperer, whatever you want to call it? and then he's still fucking living up until the very end of the goddamn movie. Like, they should have killed him off a long time ago. All right, so that pissed you off. You wanted to see that con-sugged. I wouldn't have gone back in that goddamn train when he was like, well, he's infected, you should all go back there.

Everybody, yeah, let's go back there. I don't whoop that motherfucker's ass. Okay. All right, well, shit. So you give it a five, and you said that's a super. stretch. So Kevin, tell him all the ways he's wrong, man. I understand

what you're saying, but I think she did learn everything because she saw the good and the bad of humanity. And I think she learned every lesson that you said she didn't learn. You got the asshole. Yeah, you got the asshole.

You got her dad. The one cool dude that was mean to his wife, the old ladies that she was hanging out with. and she saw it all and she saw her whole life lesson within a matter of hours. And like she said,

she was really a true, pure soul and she was still growing up and trying to see the world and everything. Because mostly what she had seen is how her parents were. They were divorced and how her dad just mainly focuses on work and nothing else.

And just kind of, she's just at home or the grandma. And, but I think she learned so much that day. in the whole movie on how not to be and how to be. And she saw the turning point

of each and every character that she had seen that day. I mean, she saw the death of the asshole, the CEO dude. Like, I wanted him to die right from the get-go. Yeah. And like you, I would, like you, I would beat the shit out of him. I wanted to, I wanted to just jump in the movie

and fuck him up and throw him off. But, oh, man, I just, oh, my God, this movie. I mean, I think one of the main, reasons that I really love this movie was the little girl. Her character, this little actress was so strong in what she had done,

what she had did in this movie. Of being just the mad little kid and then being sad at the end. I cried my eyes out right before her father died and the very ending when they were walking through that

tunnel and she started singing that song because she wanted at the beginning She had learned that song. I said she performed it in class, and she wanted to do it for her dad, but he didn't show up because he was too busy at work. But her performance is what sold me through this whole movie. Usually some of these kids in these movies or any movie, don't grab me as much as she did. And I just, I loved it all. Yeah, and that singing thing at the end was probably not the smartest decision either.

walking along in the middle of nowhere with zombies running around. Yeah, but it ended up saving their asses. No, it did end up saving their asses. I'll take that. But I still think, you know, and I love that she was, you know, good no matter what,

no matter how bad things got, she was still good to people and still, still kind to people. And I get that. I love that. I think she had to be that way because it kind of sounded like her mom was kind of shitty too.

Right. I mean, because you got the grandma calling her a bitch, you know. But then what does she learn by the end of the movie, though? Everybody fucking dies. Not everybody. I mean, that's what I did like about this movie versus every other zombie movie. There was actually at least a tiny little sliver of hope. Yeah.

There was some hope. And she did. I do like, if you haven't learned at that point that you have to watch out for yourself and stop worrying about all these asshole people, because that to me was the, uh, I mean, It's the same fucking thing as the Walking Dead. Right. That's what you got out of it. That's what I got out of it.

Because if you're going to live, you either need to have somebody watching out for you or you need to only care about yourself. Yeah, well, what I like about it, and the more I listen to you guys talking about it, the more I realize that it's what this was is this movie was kind of like a microcosm of a young child being exposed to every different type of person. Yeah. Like every type of personality. and growing and learning and learning life lessons as a result of that.

And then I did think, I thought the ending was really cool. Yeah. The way that they, that she started singing like that. Yeah. And there were actually still survivors and there was actually hope. Do you guys think there's going to be a sequel to this? Yeah, it's already in pre-production. Oh, nice.

Now, is it going to be animated? Did I hear a rumor that maybe it was going to be an animated film possibly? I've heard that, but from what I also heard that it's going to be an, another live action movie. I don't know when that's coming or I don't even know if they even started filming. But I hope so. I don't think it'll be as good as this because I think they poured in so much into this and we already seen it. We don't want to see another sad story again.

Yeah. But who knows? We'll see. I mean, I think my favorite scene in this whole movie is when they got to that train station. that that was so intense That was fucking awesome man I couldn't believe it Especially when the military hit all turned and started coming after

Here was going to be my next thing though And it's a scene that kind of really threw me off It's when they got back to the train After all the All the zombies were chasing them Okay And those fuckers are still at that door Trying to get the little lock in

Right I'm like just shove a bat through the goddamn handle And run the fuck away What are you doing? It's been like 10 minutes and they're still trying to shut the fucking door. That's where my stupid people falls in. That useless fucking baseball team. That was my stupid people big moment right there.

That useless. Let's do this, man. Hold on. Brian, let's do this. That is the most useless group of people. That baseball team. Everybody has baseball bats. Get to work on something or somebody.

body. And oh my gosh. That drove me crazy, the entire baseball team. But I will say that the guy with the pregnant wife, he was by far my favorite character. Oh, yeah, he was a badass.

Yeah, for sure. I love that scene where he was asking, is that your dad? And she was like, yeah, and he was like, is that your real dad? Yeah. And he just kept letting him know, like, hey, asshole, hey jerk, you know. Yeah. Well, he was kind of a dick in the beginning in the movie, I mean, which is understandable from his perspective.

Yeah, I don't know. He's, I don't know. He seemed kind of relatable to me. Yeah, no, he totally was relatable. And then it became more endearing as the movie went on. And he's like, he said, hey, asshole as like a friend thing instead of a. Yeah. And he was a complete badass.

You know, the way he taped his wrist up or his arms. He's like, and he was using all the weapons and I'm going to go whoop some ass. Yeah, I'm going to pick this zombie up and I'm going to use him. him as a shield. I thought he was a complete badass throughout this movie. He was definitely the action star. I think one of the problems I had with this movie was, not just his movie with a lot of these infected zombie type movies.

Right. Like some of them, when they got bit, they turned instantly. Yeah. When that first girl that jumped on the train, they got bit. that they got bit. Did she just like just get bit before she jumped on the train? Because it seemed like it took her a while to... That was my other thing.

For it to get over. And then when she bit someone and then that person bit the next one and the next one, this is like everyone just within seconds became infected. I mean, they've done that not just in this movie and a lot of other infected zombie type of movies. At first I thought this was just more of an outbreak of infection like in 28. days later and some World War Z. But there was a scene, they

show it really fast. After that the train scene, when they finally all got back on the train, there was a pack of zombies kneeling down, eating somebody. So I was like, okay, they are zombies in a way. Yeah, right. They didn't

show the gore or anything because like 28 days later. I didn't think that was a zombie movie when I saw it because they weren't eating anyone. To me, zombies is when when you eat everybody. More like rabies or something, right? Yeah. So, but, I mean,

this movie was awesome and like you said, that baseball team, yeah, every one of those motherfuckers had a bat. And they did nothing. Only one of them used it. And, yeah. And like, the stupid people, them, all the assholes in the train

when the main CEO guy was like, Nope. He rallied all them up, got them all so scared to like, these guys are infected, let's kick them out. I was just like, oh my God. I thought I had a gun. I would have shot everyone in that car. But I was glad what they got. Yeah.

This scene was also sad. Those two sisters, one of them was already infected and she was in the next car. Right. She just said, fuck it. I want to be with my sister. And she just opened up that door and they all just came pouring in. and got everyone in there. I thought that was like.

Yes. I mean, all those assholes that died in this movie deserved it. Oh, yeah. That's very true. I'll give them that. And then the asshole dude was just an asshole to be an asshole. Like he was so far beyond normal asshole. It wasn't even funny.

Right. He runs into, after he throws his buddy, who's been helping him the whole time, into the zombie and runs past him. And then he climbs into this one train with the zombies chasing him. And instead of just shutting the door, he grabs the little teenage girl and throws her out there. Like, dude, you had time to do that. You had time to turn around and shut the fucking door.

No shit. Yeah, that's just evil. Just to be an asshole. Yeah, that was a little over the top. So I think we're in a great three out of four of us, definitely highly highly high. highly recommend this. Philip, you'd still recommend it for a watch, wouldn't you? I'd say it's still definitely worth watching, you know?

Right. It just, it's, it's not going to be one of my favorite movies. I'm glad that I watched it. Right. Maybe I'll go back and take another look at it. Well, speaking of favorite movies, because of the holidays, we're changing our schedule up a little bit. We had meant to do passengers and what was the other movie with passengers, Brian, that we

were going to do. Event Horizon. Okay. So I think we're going to release that one next week. But the week after that, folks, we're going to be doing our best of, worst of, uh, 2016. And there's, uh, still that contest going on. Brian, you want to, you want to, uh, remind everybody about what that show's going to consist of, the basic format and then what this contest is and how long they have to enter. Okay. Our best and worst show, we're going to give, each of us are going to give our top five best movies and also our top five worst movies. And I think the way we're going to do, we're each going to pick what was our favorite TV show of the year.

And I think I'm going to add, because this is going to be no news or trailers on that show, I'm going to add what is our most anticipated for next year. Cool. All right. And the contest is still going. Whoever can guess Lance's favorite movie of the year, You can enter on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, our email at The Horror Returns at gmail.com, and you will win a Freddie Kruger figure from NECA.

You can still put your guesses in. Cool. All right. So it sounds like that's our next two shows. We're going to be doing passengers and event horizon, and then our best of worst of. And then after that, who knows what the new year will bring. But before we go into our outro, Kevin, you mind telling everybody again real quick how to find you and what you guys do? Yeah, you can just look iTunes or Pod Bean and just type in SkaterNez Podcast Network. It'll pop up.

There's two shows on there, the McNez Podcast, which is my main show and the E Society show. I'm also on Twitter, I believe it's just MacNES Pod. Snapchat is MacNess Podcast. Facebook, just look up a MacNess podcast on there. And that's pretty much it. Oh, Instagram also. I don't even know what it is on that. Oh, McNez on Instagram.

So I'm pretty much on all of that stuff. And just give my show a listen. I mean, it's all, I'm on my regular show, the MacNess podcast, I talk about everything. So, but it, yeah, everybody can subscribe all over the board. Everybody's subscribe and download if you haven't. I don't know what's wrong with you if you're not. Hey, and is it M-A-C-D-N-A-Z? Is that right?

Yeah, if you're looking up like on iTunes or, yeah, on iTunes and Podbean, or usually you can just type in SkaterNess Podcast Network. And again, that's S-K, the number eight, ER, N-Z, two words, and then just podcast network. And it'll pop up. It's probably just be a picture of a skateboard because I love skateboarding and everything. That's probably why I called it to Skater Nes. But, hey, man, you know what, dude, this has been awesome. I can't wait to have.

Lance, you've already been on the show. I can't wait to get all three of you on. Or maybe just individual, which is fine. anytime you get the doors open you guys can come on whenever you want and uh we'll just talk talk about this and that i mean and again dude thank you so much this has been awesome and this has been an awesome year so far i mean yeah we had a lot of deaths and everything but um podcast wise other than my show finding you guys i think uh jesse from a blind frankenstein from um the horror horrocopia he's the one that turn me on to you guys and uh awesome

You know what? I mean, I'm glad he did, because you guys' show's awesome. And if you're listening to this, you already know. As far as a guess for your favorite movie, is it something that you guys talked about it on the show? Maybe so, maybe not, man. Shit. Maybe so, maybe not. But you got until the 31st to get your guests in, man. I'll throw in again.

I'll just throw in a guess. But yeah, I mean, but hey, yeah, dude, thanks again so much, man. This is awesome time. Cool, man. So, and for our listeners, as always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. And as you know, you can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. Our Facebook page is Facebook.com forward slash the horror returns.

Of course, we're on Podbean, Twitter. Instagram, all that stuff that Brian's got us hooked up on. And if you like us, what you hear when you go to iTunes, man, guys, I can't stress this enough. Go in there and rate us and give us a review. Oh, yeah. The last two people who did that, a t-shirt mysteriously appeared in their mail.

So you never know. It's always good to get free stuff. And in 2017, guys, we're planning on giving away a whole lot more stuff. So keep listening. and rate us, review us, email us, because we really want your feedback. So, Kevin, help us out here, man. Until the horror returns again. Hold on. Don't listen to these guys.

Watch Witchboard again, because that movie is awesome. Oh, you motherfucker. You asshole. And we're out of here? We're out of here. So good night.