The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #298: The Year In Horror 1988, Part 2 - Waxwork & Pumpkinhead

Episode Date: February 9, 2022

This week, since once again there is no new horror in the theater, we finish out 1988 with Waxwork and Pumpkinhead. Cool of the Week includes Digging Up the Marrow and Home Team. Trailer is Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and we shine the podcast spotlight on The Podcast Under the Stairs. Thanks for listening!

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Welcome back, one and all, to the horror returns. I'm Philip again. and with me as always is my co-host Brian and that's it today man it's just you and me everybody everybody bailed on us everybody bailed on us

they must have watched the movies oh I'm showing my hand we'll come to that well man what's been going on with you this week oh nothing much same old same old trying to avoid people

and staying out this cold. Oh, yeah. I bet it's cold as fuck up there. What's what kind of temperature do you got? Let's see. Temperature check for this week. We are 25 degrees. So it's actually a little bit warmer today.

Oh, that hurts. Yeah, it was like maybe 30 degrees-ish yesterday. And it was so cold. fuck this shit had a big old jacket on some nice warm leather boots that I get to wear

once a year I probably would have had some shorts on or something I don't know man it was cloudy and cold I don't know what it is I guess the humidity but 30 degrees in Texas

sucks come try it here I know well you see anything cool this week? I don't know if I could say I've seen anything cool this week. Might be a lot of not so cool. I guess I'll start with my weekly Amityville review.

Oh, sharks? No, this time, Werewolves. Amityville Warewolds. This one was Amityville Moon, and it was a movie that was filmed. And people tried to act their way through it. And I did not like this one either. I will give them credit for one kill. It was super fun looking and entertaining.

But outside of that one 30-second moment, I don't recommend this one either. Well, stay away from the Amityville movies you'd never heard of, right? Yeah. But like I said, I'm jumping on to Groner. for everybody, so I'll give a new one every week, a new review every week. Let's move on to my other Not So Cool. You ever heard of this studio called The Asylum?

They do like knockoff movies. Yeah. Well, I'm assuming this one is because of Morbius coming out. It's called Dracula, the original Living Vampire. Oh. Morbiah style, huh? This is not good. Oh, wow.

And it is a level away from being late-night Cinemax type of movie. Yeh. Yeah. Those movies belong on YouTube at this point, if that. And another one that I didn't care for was this movie that just came out called In the Forest. Now, I checked this out because somebody said it was in the vein of, of the hills have eyes. Yeah.

I don't know if I was blacked out during the whole movie, but I did not get that vibe, not once. It's essentially a family goes camping. They meet another family, and they got somebody held captive, and then you don't know if the family's messed up or the person being held captive is messed up, and you don't know who's what,

but I never once got a Hills have. of eyes vibe. No mutants. No. Uh, I guess I won't give it away, so possibly. All right. Well, that leaves enough gray area to

work with. Did I see anything? Digging up the Merrill. That's probably my cool of the week. Which one is that? Um, it's made by Adam Green. He does the hatchet movies. Oh, okay.

And it's shot, documentary style. Like, you know, he plays himself and it's got a lot of, you know, horror directors, actors, you know, Kane Hodder shows up in it. Oh, that's the one you guys are talking about. Yeah, I knew I'd heard of it. Yeah, and essentially somebody contacts him telling him

that he knows where real monsters are. And so he wants to go film it. And once he gets footage of it, he's trying to show like Kane Hodder and all these different horror directors and everybody's like, oh, the special effects look good, what movies is for? And he's like, no, this is real.

And nobody believes him. And I thought that was an interesting way to shoot the movie. It's like Bigfoot. Yeah. And there was some cool monster designs in there. So he does a lot of practical effects and stuff like that. Yeah. That would be cool.

Yeah. That is on Tobey, if anybody wants to watch it. And I also watch for the first time, Franken Hooker. Franken Hooker? Yes. I didn't know that was a thing. This guy is, I guess, a doctor in his mind. And his fiancé horribly dies in a lawnmower accident.

And he comes up with a plan to put her back together using, as the titles suggest, parts from hookers. You know, condolences to any family who have lost anybody, but I feel like if you die from a lawnmower accident, that's just Darwinism. And it is a horror comedy, and it is over the top, and it's definitely not for the youngsters. there's a lot of booby time in here.

Oh, well. Now you have peaked my interest. I thought I would. Yeah, I guess basically the older watches were my cool of the week. Everything new I've seen is not good.

Yeah. Well, man, I always have a shitty list of cool of the week because I don't get a chance to watch much except the movies, except I'm still stuck on Stargate SG1 because I started it and now I have to finish it Is that the one with Jason Mamma?

I don't think so He's probably on many other spinoff series Yeah, I think they have a couple of other spinoffs I haven't got to them yet My mom is a big fan of Stargate for some reason and I've never actually watched the TV show. It's not that bad. Well, it's bad, but it's not that bad.

Like, they know the third one. Do what? Is it bad good? Yeah. Okay. I would say so. It's definitely cheesy, and they do a lot of stupid things. Like, why are you going in there?

What the fuck are you doing? But it's still entertaining, and I think it's pretty interesting as far as, far as alien stuff going on, especially with the newer information that we've learned in the past decade. And I also watched Home Team. Have you seen that? The Kevin James movie? Kevin James.

It's on Netflix. I was going to watch it. Yeah, it's not bad. It's about Sean Payton, the coach for the, coach for the. The Saints. During Bounty Gate, he got suspended for a year. And so Kevin James is Sean Payton in this movie. And he coaches his, I think it's like based on a true story thing.

And he coaches his son's, he like assistant coaches his son's football team while he's off. And, you know, good old fashioned sports movie with kids in it. I think that's always fun. Yeah, I like those. I like Kevin. A lot of funny parts. Yeah.

And Kevin James does a pretty good job, man. I was, I was a shout out to him. Nice. And of course, Boba Fett, Mandalorian, which, whatever you want to call it, because I don't even think Boba Fett was in this one. I heard the best episode was the one without him. That may be this one.

Well, I don't know that he was in there last. week either. This is like a couple of episodes where they're bringing back Mando and this one, this latest one they brought back Luke and baby Yoda. Oh, nice. Yeah, that's a plus. Now, I don't know how involved they're going to be in part of the story, but they at least gave you kind of an update is really all it was. But it was cool, man. It's getting more and more interesting. And I haven't watched peacemaker yet, but that's what I'm going to do as soon as I get off of here.

Yeah, me too. I've heard nothing but great things about it. And I think I read... Have you watched any of them? I was going to start it, but I just, I wasn't going to have the time to sit down and watch it. So I wanted to have the time to sit down and watch it. Oh, dude, it's fantastic. Listen, James Gunn is not my favorite person in the world. like personally

but he makes some really great movies I think that and he does this whole TV show I believe writes and or exit and it shows it's really good it's funny they definitely go the comedy route

and it works John Cena is pretty fucking funny like more than you would expect yeah I think he's getting pretty close to retire from wrestling, so

yeah, well, and you know, it kind of depends on when you look at him as to whether he's I feel like there's maybe a couple other people that do this too, but he seems to go like really big and ripped

down to kind of thinner, you know? Yeah, because... Not like regular person thin, but like then, but like, then for John Sina. Yeah, because the last time he wrestled, he was obviously not bulked up.

It was a little strange to see him so small. You know what else he's doing? Wipeout. Yes, I did it with the, I forgot her name. She does that Nailed It show on Netflix. The Black Lady? Yeah. Yeah, she's funny.

You can tell the first couple episodes were a little awkward. I don't know if they had quite gotten into their groove yet. But I don't know. It's fun to watch Wipe Out too. Yeah. It's always fun to watch people get hurt. And then Gronk's girlfriend, I assume still girlfriend, fiancé, why? Fuck, I don't know.

But she's the person on like the sidelines that dances around and says stupid shit. Oh. Okay. And is, you know, nice to look at it. but yeah man that's that's all i got this week still fun stuff i'm enjoying all that all that stuff although at right now in um the stargate universe it's i'm kind of just watching it because i've watched the rest of it

and i'm like well man i'm almost there i may as well watch the end of it yeah i understand sometimes you maybe not really into it but you you're so far into the seasons or a series that you just got to finish it. Yeah. Plus it's easy enough to put on in the background and just do other stuff. Yeah. All right.

We got any horror headlines? Yeah. We got a few. Let's start with TV. Disney Plus is revitalizing the, what was it, the Goose bumps TV series. Oh. is it going to be like live action yeah okay but it does have uh fans of the original series worried if disney plus is going to water it down i don't i don't know i mean there was uh if you

watch their marvel shows there's there's a lot of murder in there so yeah well i just that you would be concerned about them watering down goosebumps isn't goosebumps water down to begin with. I didn't really watch goosebumps a lot, but I heard a lot of people said there was a lot of scary stuff, maybe a little too scary for kids, but that was the time period. It was, what, early 90s?

Yeah. Well, because I remember reading all the books, but I don't know that I ever watched the series. Yeah, I missed that whole... I did, maybe... What was the other one? Are You Afraid of the Dark? I do remember that one.

Oh, yeah, that was good. I remember reading some Goosebomps books and maybe sixth grade-ish somewhere around there. They were around, I think. I don't know. Okay, what do we got? We talked about the Renfield movie from Universal, which will star Nicholas Cage as Dracula has begun filming. So it's happening. Nicholas Cage as Dracula sounds fantastic.

Yes. Insidious Chapter 5 will begin filming this spring, and this will be a direct sequel to Insidious Chapter 2. They're bringing that family back. And Patrick Wilson, who is the star of those first two, is going to direct. first time directing. Oh, okay.

Well, you know, I'd like to talk some shit, but there's a lot of times where you get some first time directors that have been actors before and it comes out really fucking amazing. I'm sorry, playing flying by. What hell is that? Are they taking you away, man? Not yet, not yet. But I've heard he, while he's...

was filming. He's worked pretty close with James Juan, so I'm expecting to see some of those influences into his directing style. Yeah, maybe we'll come up with something good. I mean, look what Affleck did. Yeah. Still not the greatest actor, but he's pretty damn good director. He tries. He tries. Yeah, he does. Hey, he's nailing J-Lo. and can't complain too much. I can't argue with that now. Let me see. Do we have anything? I guess the biggest news, which was probably a no-brainer,

is Paramount House officially announced Scream 6 with the director group radio silence coming back to direct. so okay interesting to see where they go from here yeah i mean they'll have to come out with some new characters and shit right i assume yeah i don't know if we can do the nostalgia thing yeah i don't we've don't how many times we're going to bring sydney back you know right so i don't know there's a lot of people that still want matthew lily to come back because there's always that theory you never really seen him die officially. Oh.

Well, you've solved it already then. Yeah. But I don't know. I've rewatched the Scream 5 and I do enjoy it. I had fun with it and it got my daughter into Scream. She went when we got home. She binged the whole franchise. Really?

Yeah. You know, I think that's why they do this sometimes, that when they bring out, like, new movies that are just revamps. Yeah. Like, sometimes it's just to get more money for the, for the whole rest of the series. But it also brings on board a lot of younger audience, which is cool. Yeah, because the whole Billy Loomis thing,

she was, you know, curious about that. Right. There was a lot of references. she was like, oh, or what are they talking about? And I was like, oh, you got to watch it. You got to watch it. You know. This is Skeet Ulrich, also known as not Johnny Depp.

Yes. Skeet Ulrich, which I don't know if I said anything, but Skeet Ulrich, Matthew Lillard, and I want to say, Jamie Kennedy are going to be. At Texas Frightmare. Really? Let me double check. Might just be making that up in my head.

That might be fun, because those three seem like cool people to talk to. Texas Frightmare. Not Texas Chainsaw, that's not right. Ah. We'll get to that. Sorry, everybody. I know this is great podcasting. It is actually, yes, Ski-All-rich-Massau.

Matthew Liller, Jamie Kennedy, and Neff Campbell are going to be there. Really? Yes. Look at that. Texas Frightmare suddenly got more appealing. Yep. And I like one of the things they included for Nev Campbell is Wild Things. Yes. That is her best appearance by far. And, yeah, pretty slow news week. I'm expecting it to pick up here. A lot of stuff got a...

acquired from Sundance, so we'll be getting more trailers and news and... Yeah, it's February. It's February. Summer News hasn't popped up yet. Yeah, and I'm still waiting on that Evil Dead Rise trailer because they were done filming that movie a couple months ago, so... Ah, yeah. I'm excited about that. Yeah, HBO Max, too. Oh, awesome. Yeah.

Yeah, I've gotten kind of used to not going to the theater. Although it's sort of nice. But have you checked out with your VR thing, that big screen app? Not yet. No, I have been playing around with it trying to figure things out. But I definitely will try that. It's like, and I finally got it hooked up to my computer so I can watch whatever. But it's sort of like sitting in the theater.

Like you go and sit in this virtual reality theater and watch the movie. I mean, it's a long time to stay in. VR, your head starts hurting, but you know. I'll show they'll come out with an implant to fix that eventually. Oh, yeah. Elon Musk is on it. There you go. I'll just have to close my eyes and I can watch any movie I want.

I think he was saying that little brain implant thing. I know we're getting off subject, but I think he was saying you could download your memories. really huh well maybe your consciousness will survive in a robot world eventually

yeah they're coming he's working on like robot robots like the ones you see in the movies kind of thing yeah what was that will Smith movie with the robots uh i robot

i robot that was it that should have thought about that But no, I think he's got robots that look kind of like that. Oh, that's scary. I know. It's very creepy. But it's sort of exciting all at the same time. You know, until I die.

Yeah, I was about to say, until they turn on us. Well, that doesn't mean I'm going to get one. Yeah. But what was the movie I watched recently? Mother Android. Oh, I remember watching that. Yeah. how they just started turning on everybody.

Yeah. They just figured one day we don't have to listen to you no more. Well, you can't argue with their logic. We're going to go out sooner or later, right? Whether it's a super volcano or global warming or an asteroid or robots. Yeah, one of those. Yeah. All right, that's the news.

All right. Now we're going to take a little trip down on to the trailer park. We're bringing the big, the small, and sometimes very, very weird. What is our one new trailer to talk about today? Our one and only trailer we are going to talk about today is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It's the only one you need. Direct sequel to the original. Synopsis goes. After nearly 50 years of hiding,

Leatherface returns to terrorize a group of idealistic young friends who accidentally disrupt his careful shielded world in a remote Texas town. This stars Alice Krieg, Nell Hudson, Elsie Fisher, Mark Burnham as leather face. And that is not the original Sally in the movie because she sadly passed, but is being played by Alwyn Farray, foray. I probably misspelled or miss said her. Really? Yeah. She was in Mandy.

She was the older lady that was in the cold. Oh, right. Well, then why did that? if she's dead anyway, why bring her back? Oh, she's playing the, no, she died in real life, the actress. Well, right, but that's what I'm saying, but like, why bring that character back at all? Well, unless we're just trying to do a Halloween rehash. It clearly that's what they're doing.

Yeah. She's clearly, Sally, they're doing the Lori Strobe thing, Jamie Lee Curtis moment where she's coming, she's been waiting to get revenge, which was a little odd to me, because if you remember the end of Texas chainsaw massacre, she kind of came off like she was going to go to a nut house because she was just completely lost her mind. Yeah.

And now she's been waiting this whole time. But I will say it does look like there's going to be some awesome kills. Oh, I'm sure. I enjoyed that. Chainsaw's in the fucking name. Yeah. enjoy that bus scene that they showed where everybody

pulls out their phones and the one guy says you do anything you'll be canceled and then he gets stabbed with the chainsaw picked up because it was just this perfect comedic moment of silence he's like

I don't know what the fuck you're saying but you're about to die and I do like the fact that he's been keeping to himself hiding, you know, since then. And people... In the poppy fields? Yeah, people show up and, you know,

everybody's on their phones, on social media, and I don't know if he knows what all that is, but clearly he's not having it. And I think it's just going to be a pretty much straightforward story, but with some very violent, awesome kills, that's what I'm hoping for. Yeah, hopefully. Although, because in Texas Chainsaw Masker, he was kind of more of a not very smart person and just being used by his family.

And this one, it does seem like he's a little more vicious for no reason. So, I mean, you know, hard to tell from just the trailer. But it does look interesting. It's the most interested I've been in a Texas Chainsawm. on Masker movie, um, men a very long time. Yeah.

Um, and I have been going through the movies lately. And from what I understand, if anybody wants to watch them leading up to this, I think, uh, timeline wise, you watch Leatherface,

the original, Texas 3D, and then this one, all the other ones. ones are kind of their own timelines, I guess. What was the beginning one? Was that Leatherface? Yeah.

Okay. Where he was in the, he got taken away and putting the mental asylum. Yeah, you know, I don't think I hated that one as much as I thought I did. My only problem with that is he was portrayed, like you said, kind of simple-minded in the original one. Yeah. But in the prequel, he was a regular. child that grew into a regular man, I guess.

Ah, good point. So I don't know when he became childlike. So. That's that inbreeding. Yeah, there was some fun kills in there. Well, hopefully it'll be some fun kills in this one. Yep, it is on our schedule, and I believe a couple weeks, February 18th. Oh man, is it that quick?

Okay. Yep. I'm down. Is it a theater release or? Netflix. Oh, fucking sweet. And I probably should have mentioned this is directed by David Blue Garcia and executive produced by Fede Alvarez, who everybody knows directed the Evil Dead remake and Don't Breathe.

So he's got a hand in this. So I think that's why we're seeing the kill so very. vicious. I'm sure hands on with it. Definitely gives it some credibility. Because that last Evil Dead was, I liked that Evil Dead remake. Yeah.

It was pretty good. I like, they took, that's the perfect example of a good remake. They take the idea of the original and they made it their own thing. They didn't just completely copy. You know, they didn't give us a guy that was supposed to be Ash

and they didn't go comedic. they kind of went darker and more violent and yeah awesome awesome remake we might we might do that one when the evil did uh rise comes out because we've already we've already done the original one so yeah well you know i was you that was getting too they're pretty great and that's the only trailer this week all right on to listener feedback uh this week uh this week for the podcast spotlight We shine our light on the podcast Under the Stairs. Again, you guys are getting some love. This week, the podcast Under the Stairs

presents the Arrow Video Assortment, episode 38. Welcome to this subset, sorry, subset of shows exclusively looking at the Duncan's Arrow Video Collection. Every three weeks, Duncan will pick at random, a title from his collection and review them on the podcast Under the Stairs. Episode 38 is Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia from 1974. Check it out wherever you get your podcast. You ever seen that movie?

I have never heard of it. I have not either. That would be an interesting one. So the podcast Under the Stairs, check that one out. regarding nez's texas trailer trailer reaction

uh monica uh mandoki says can't wait to check out this movie yes everybody go subscribe to uh e society's youtube channel

you can uh check out nez's uh reaction he did a reaction to the trailer and there's going to be more stuff posted on there pretty soon yeah and nez is really good on a lot of stuff man just sometimes he's so random on his fucking what he likes and what he does yeah i i used to say it was lance but yeah i think i know now

like when i do the schedule i'm like okay lance is gonna hate this lance's gonna hate that but nez man you can never tell yeah because i kind of felt like what was it a dead end driving yeah i didn't know he was his score was gonna go so high the way he was speaking of it dude i didn't know i was gonna like it that much i thought it was pretty fucking good movie yeah that was one out of the two i was like lances gonna fucking hate this one oh yeah i figured he wouldn't

but i you and i are typically pretty lockstep and stuff if you tell me a movie's gonna be good i'm like okay i'll probably like that all right and you watch a whole shitload more than i do so you're like my buffer system yeah uh regarding our super network postings in the group uh marcy papandria says uh you are so kind for sharing thank you no worries mate try to help out as much as we can everybody should be listening to the super network oh yeah they're great they're fucking hilarious regarding last week's episode Marcy says

fun episode guys glad some ozploitation got into the mix and Charles was an awesome guest yes he was that's cool I'm curious as to whether they have I mean I'm sure they've seen these movies

because they've seen everything but have they seen them because they're Australian or have they seen them because they've seen everything you know like how big were these in Australia at the time yeah

Originally the show was planned for them to come on. Sorry, another plane's flying by. But, you know, we had that scheduling conflict with the orphan kills that was supposed to come out and got delayed. Oh, right. So I had to grab something that was going to be further down the line because I did want them to come on. It wasn't just, you know, like we were trying to do a 2B Tuesday. Osploitation episode without them. Well, hey, man, let's do another one with them.

That was actually a really fun episode, man. Those movies were both better than I expected them to be. Yeah, the list I found with these Ospletation movies, there is quite a few to pick from. So definitely, Marcy Bede, I know you guys are listening. So definitely you're going to have you on for the second one. Yeah, and that was shit that I've never heard of before. so yeah great great job on that all right uh another one regarding a dead end drive-in

uh franklin courier says uh wasn't the original cover and poster a guy uh kind of looking like the crow smiling uh while the picture of him blends into the drive-in theater on the bottom yes i think nez spoke on that uh basically the guy on the original poster doesn't never in a movie. Yeah. Well, you know what? There wasn't a toilet in that little creature movie that Nez loves. What the fuck is that called?

Which one? The little gremlin guys. Oh, uh, goolies. Goolies, right? See, there's a toilet on the poster in goolies and there's never a googly in a toilet. They'll get you in the end. Yeah. They got me in the beginning.

It was a shit movie. wait till we do goleys go to college oh Jesus Christ that is a real thing I'd rather watch Save by the Bell goes to college oh

that was bad and Legion podcast says time to get literary with the VD clinic as Vanessa and Darren spend their winter with misery the book the movie and the pig

the pig Is there a pig and misery? Yeah. Name misery. Ah. I just rewatch that a couple weeks ago. It's still an awesome movie. Yes.

I forgot about the pig, though. It's been a couple years. And I think somebody was saying that it, I couldn't believe this. This is the only Stephen King adaptation film adaptation that somebody's won an Oscar for. Really? Yeah. I thought maybe like Green Mile or. Shawshank.

Who got it? Kathy Bates? Yeah. No. Oh, Shawshank was Stephen King? Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I think we've had this conversation before. I probably. Yeah, but I'm usually drunk. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, that's it for listener feedback. As always, our show intro comes

from Steve Carlton of the League of Geeks with the Z. Sorry about your 49ers? Yeah. Well, although I'm kind of excited. I'm sorry. I hate the fucking 49ers. I, I, these were my picks to go to the Super Bowl a couple, a week ago. I told me, my wife was talking to somebody and she asked me, who do I think?

And I said definitely the Rams were going and I kind of want to see, Cincinnati went in. You know, I wouldn't mind seeing Cincinnati. My sister-in-law is from Cincinnati, so she's a Bengals fan. And Joe Burroughs not bad. And I honestly kind of hated him to see him beat the Chiefs,

but I sort of loved that at the same time. And now that they're there, they may as well do it. Yeah. And the Rams, I mean, Matthew Stafford is kind of awesome, and he deserves it. Although they did sort of buy their team. They're like the

Yankees of football. True. We'll see. Yeah. I just want to see a good game. I mean, they may as well win it now, because they're going to be in salary cap hell for the next fucking 50 years with all the fucking trades they made.

Hey, I got Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller and Matthew Stafford, O'Dell. I mean, it's a super team and football. Yeah, we'll see in a couple weeks. Yeah, next week. Next week, yeah. Yeah.

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Back in time. to 1988. That was bad. I'm sorry. And review waxwork and pumpkinhead. Yes. And I've actually never seen either one of these movies. I would have thought you've at least seen pumpkinhead. Well, I know of pumpkinhead. I didn't know of waxwork. But I knew of pumpkin head. But I thought pumpkin head was just a like stupid Halloween monster or something.

Right? And so I never watched it. But we'll get to that. But first we're going to start with waxwork, which may or may not be the more entertaining of the two. A waxwork museum comes to town, and a mysterious man invites some teams to come to a special showing at midnight, once inside while viewing different exhibits.

The scenes come alive, and the viewer is sucked into the story being portrayed. Director and writer are Anthony Hickox, also known for Hellraiser 3, and Warlock the Armageddon. That's not a good one. Yeah. Writer and director Anthony Hickokx

wrote the screenplay in only three days. Well, that explains. Yeah. The human flesh being eaten at the vampire dinner is actually made of rhubarb, watermelon, and strawberries. So just in case you wanted your movie fucked up anymore, there it is. What do you think about waxwork? Okay, this is, it's not a great movie, but I do have a nostalgic thing for it

because this was definitely a cable movie. Yeah. I'm kind of up and down with the effect, the practical effects, because some of them are not great, but then some of them like the scene where I think it was the vampire one with the guy strapped to the table and they were eating his leg. That looked pretty good. That did look pretty good.

Well, and they did a lot of practical effect stuff in here that I thought was kind of cool. Yeah. I like the scene. I like the zombie one that he went into. what is Zach's name? The guy from Gremlins. Right, the kid from Gremlin's. I don't know what his name is.

It doesn't, it's not going to make a difference if you say it anyway. Zach, Galegan. Galligan. Galligan? Gallagin. I'm sure people call him Gilligan anyways, but I like the scene where he went into the zombie one and it went black and white, and I thought the makeup effects on the zombie were pretty cool.

there was a lot of cheesy moments in here. Oh, yeah. But I kind of feel like it was supposed to be cheesy. Well, yeah, I think a lot of it was like tribute to old horror movies. Yeah, because you've got the main guy who runs the place. When you first get introduced to him, he shows up dressed like Willy Wonka. So already you know they're going over the top. Who is that guy?

Cerberus snake? He's just... David Wagner played. It just says the waxwork man. Who is that fucking dude? The waxwork. And then you got the little guy that's, I guess, I don't know what he is, the assistant.

And another over-the-top moment is every time he bows, it goes, because he bow so fast. Yeah. Which I thought was funny. I'm glad that I thought was from, was tattoo, but is actually not. Instead, he played Al. Yes. And he did stunts and look who's talking.

So he played the child. They slapped a baby face on him. How terrifying is that? But it's wacky, it's cheesy. I will label this in the. if you want to kind of get your kids into horror, but don't want to show them something too violent as scary because there was,

there wasn't a lot of blood, and if there was, it was cutaway scenes. And a lot of the kills were kind of off-screen. They did have a few kills on screen with some blood, but they were also kind of bad. It was like they'd hit somebody in the head with an axe, and it would just sort of bounce off. because it was all made of rubber.

Yeah. And then you have the end, which gets super wacky because all the old people show up to do battle with the... Because essentially they have to sacrifice 18 people because 18 breaks down to 666. And then all these... If you divide it by three, which, you know, any number, if you divide it by a spurt and number will read it.

different numbers. Yeah. And essentially they, these wax people, creatures come to life and know if they get out into the world, it'd be the end of the world. So at the end, like all these like old people show up that I guess to have fought them before. And then it just is an all out wacky, not great choreographed fight going on. and the guy in the wheelchair shows up and I guess that's his go-to-war

wheelchair that he had going on there they put like little cardboard armor on it it looks like it looks like his wife was the secretary at like an elementary school

and they had a project where they made his wheelchair look like a tank and that's what he went into battle with yelling telly-ho. Yes, the budget definitely didn't go to his wheelchair at the end.

But I can see sitting down with your young kids and watching this, you know, because you got a lot of classic monsters in here. You got the Wolfman, you got vampires. It gets a little dark there with the, what was the French guy, the Marquis? Oh, yeah. Or she's like, uh, orgasming while he's whipping her in the back. Yeah.

And she's like, oh, don't stop. Like, don't stop whipping. I don't think it works this way. Yeah. She orgasm harder from my whip than she ever did from your touch. And I was like, oh, we're talking shit here, huh? I know, right? But outside.

She was going all the way up his leg. Yeah. I would say outside of that part, I would, I would say this is fairly safe for kids. And I kind of put it there with like, I'm not comparing it to Poultergeist, but Poultergeist is like one of those introductory horror films for kids. So I would throw that in there.

Yeah, that makes sense. And even the sexual side of the whipping and stuff is not, I don't think would be as obvious to a younger viewer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I mean, how many times have you watched stuff when you were a kid and you, and you watch it now and you're like, holy shit? I can't believe they said that. Yeah, there's been a ton of stuff when I rewatch it.

I was like, they were showing this when I was a kid. Yep. And you just didn't get it because you don't comprehend that level yet. But, yeah, you know, I kind of see where you're going with that because it was definitely very cheesy. but it was sort of an ode to like older horror movies with the mummy and I mean I don't know what the fuck was off with that wolf man it was like a teddy bear rabbit thing

like when he turned when he turned into a wolf when he turned into a werewolf I couldn't stop laughing at him I was like what any fuck is this are you talking about the guy that went into the or the well both of them really but when the main

When the guy that went in, when the werewolf attacked him after he had turned from that guy that you've seen in things before. Yeah. He turned into this werewolf and it had like animatronic ears on it. It was super fucking weird. It was weird because that didn't look great, but I will say the makeup effects on the guy that he bit kind of look cool. Yeah, I'll go with that. So it's kind of up and down. The original werewolf was goofy.

Yeah. Yeah. And another problem I kind of had was every time they, maybe it was the camera that was shaken, but every time they showed one of those wax figures, you're like, that guy's moving. Yeah. Yeah. There was a few times. And going back to the werewolf, I didn't know this.

I just looked it up. It's played by John Ray's Davis. he was Gimley in Lord of the Rings, the dwarf with the axe. He's been in a ton of shit. I've seen the guy in everything. And then he played a werewolf in this terrible fucking movie. I'm sure that it wasn't even him. Other guy with a costume.

Well, but he played the person that, well, you're probably right. He came in for five minutes at one scene, got a million dollars and left. Oh, maybe not a million. this one. But, uh, um, it, it was definitely cheesy and, uh, I had some hard, but, okay, this is one of those where it's so grotesquely bad that it kind of has to be good. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

I, I, I think that's, that's where I'm at. And I'm sort of teetering on the edge of, was this movie actually kind of fun? Because it sort of was. but because it made me laugh like a lot yeah and it is labeled a horror comedy right but the laughing i don't know if i was necessarily supposed to laugh at those parts i get you you weren't laughing it's just they were so ridiculously bad yeah you probably laugh more at the bad parts than the parts that they expected you to laugh at right like especially that first guy that went in there with the werewolf thing when he's like talking to this guy and somebody put acid in my drink again

yeah trying to be funny i was like oh my god shut the fuck up i hope the werewolf kills you uh but yeah i this is this is probably not i don't know i would say it's not a movie i'm gonna watch again but i might to make fun of it yeah i and i definitely see where you're coming from when you said this probably should have been a commentary because you'll probably have a lot more fun watching it with a group of friends and talking shit about it.

Yeah, because there's so many moments where it's like, what in the fuck is happening right now? This is ridiculous. All right. You ready for scores? Yeah, let's do it. What do you think?

I... Just really thinking about it, I don't think it's... It is bad, but it's, I think it falls into so bad it's good. So I think you should get a group of friends, watch it, talk shit, have some drinks. And for that reason, I am going to give it a six. Okay.

Hmm. Things to think about. I'm going to go, I think, five as a real score right now. but I reserve the right to raise that later if we get together at a party and watch this movie and have a great time because it probably would be a whole lot of fun we still got to get to the one commentary

I got playing the avocado women in the jungle or whatever that that's that's coming soon we're going to have some Bill Maher impersonations ladies and gentlemen All right. Well, there goes waxwork from 1988. Now we'll move on to Lance Hendrickson in Pumpkinhead.

After a tragic accident, a man conjures up a towering, vengeful demon called Pumpkinhead to destroy a group of unsuspecting teenagers. director is Stan Winston, who is best known for his pioneering work in the field of special effects. Writers are Stan Winston and Mark Patrick Cartucci, based on a poem by Ed Justin. Lance Henriksen gathered all of the silver dollars himself by visiting several pawn shops. He said most of them fell through the floorboards of hat. Agass's shack, where they still may lie. And another thing I found out that he does this a lot in his movies.

The way he looked and the clothes he wore in the movie, he actually got that stuff together himself because he kind of, it helps him get into the character more. Yeah, it seems like he was a little more committed than the other actors in this movie. the dog actor mushroom who played Ed Harley's dog gypsy

also played Barney in Gremlins oh that makes sense and we got a connection here we got Zach Gallagin from the waxwork who was in Gremlins and Mushroom

who's in Kremlin that's an awesome name mushroom. It's funny. I wanted to name my dog Batman, but my wife wouldn't let me. Usually. I'm sure that I think there was some names for our family pets that my family was like, oh, no.

I just wanted to walk outside and yell Batman. I did. My best dog I ever had was a pit, and he was all white, and I named him white boy. and everybody got mad. Oh, man, that's crazy. Because I knew a guy who, I used to be a prison guard. So this dude's name was white, I mean, his name wasn't white boy. Yeah.

But that's what he went by. Slim Thug's cousin, apparently. I mean, I don't know. They're prisoners. They're probably lining. Cool dude. Houston legend. Slim Thubbubb.

Yeah. All right. And the cabin where Steve and the others go is the same, same one that Jarvis's house and Friday the 13th chapter, the final chapter. Oh. Same one used in Jarvis's house. Oh, that's pretty cool.

Yeah. All right. What did you think about Pumpkinhead? I love Pumpkinhead. I, this was another. kind of staple of my childhood as far as horror movies. I love the design of Pumpkinhead,

the practical effects that went into it. Re-watching it now, because I haven't seen it in a couple years. This movie scared me as a kid, but watching it now, like the kills are very tame. Yeah, I kind of just, well, they give you that, though.

I guess as a kid, it's a little more creepy. be to make it up in your imagination because they like you know we'll pick somebody up by the head and fling him out of the screen which looks really violent but is not to movie standards yeah i would i would say probably in my opinion the most violent one was the girl he picked up by her head and climbed a tree and then dropped her on that rock yeah but outside of that i i would say that from just my taste nowadays. The kills were pretty tame.

But I love what Stan Winston did with the look of pumpkinhead. And another selling point from me in this movie was Lance Henriksen, because I'm used to seeing him as kind of like a villain or close to a villain. Yeah. And I really felt his love for his son in the beginning. And then when his son dies and that guy's like asking him, can I do anything and he shoots that look at him, that I'm going to, I'll kill you look. I kind of, I kind of dug that. I kind of felt like, you know, he was really, as you would say, he was into this role a lot better than I get.

Anybody else in the whole movie. The adults that were supposed to be teenagers. Which, yeah. They all looked like they were about 35. Yeah, they were kind of throwaway characters because you didn't really get any kind of character, anything about their characters in this. So you knew they were going to die. But I did like they gave a little bit more to the asshole. Because when you first meet him, he's telling the kid he's wearing Coke bottles for glasses.

And I'm just like, damn. Yeah. You're an asshole. and then he kills the kid and then tries to run and get out of there and throws his girlfriend all around and then is willing to let his brother take the rap for it because for some reason the brother thinks

that killing this kid he'll just get a slap on the wrist for it and then he locked his friends in the closet on top of it after he knocked him out hit him in the back of the head I'm like you're fucking you're the best friend ever. Like I was kind of waiting for that dude to die.

Yeah. And I don't know. This is another one I would definitely show my daughter because I don't think it's scary enough to that I would like to introduce her to it. But not scary to the point where I'll be worried that she's going to have nightmares or anything. Yeah, a lot of creepy settings. Yeah. Especially the way. Which.

Yes. And then the whole, I don't know why there's a pumpkin patch in a cemetery, but that sounds creepy. Which I guess is the whole reason this movie is called Pumpkinhead, right? Yeah, he's buried at the Pumpkin Patch Cemetery. Yeah, see, I didn't know that. I just saw Pumpkinhead and thought, ah, great, another holiday horror movie. You know what I mean? I could see how someone would expect to see.

a monster with a pumpkin forehead, but no, he's just buried at a pumpkin patch cemetery and he comes to get revenge for somebody. And I like the whole how he was connected to Lance Henrickson.

Yes. And I just but it did get a little they did figure it out a little too quick for my taste, though, that the only way to kill pumpkinhead was for him to kill himself. Yeah. Like,

fight. Yeah. So what was going to happen to Pumpkinhead when he got finished killing those people? Like, because he looked like he was progressing further and further and looking a little more human. I think, and I've never seen, there's a couple sequels, so I can't speak on those. But I think my opinion is, after he... Henrickson was going to die anyways. Right.

I think after Pumpkinhead was finished, he was going to, how he burst into flames at the end. I think that's the end of that pumpkin head. And then Lance Hendrickson was going to be the new pumpkin head and be put back into the Pumpkin Pats Cemetery, which that's, if you remember at the scene, he had the little necklace on that his son made him. Yeah. I think that was going to happen even if the previous pumpkinhead killed all the teenagers. See, I was thinking in the way of like maybe he was, the pumpkinhead thing was becoming Lance Hendrickson. Yeah.

And Lance Hendrickson was going to die at the end anyway. Yeah, I think his fate was pretty much sealed. Yeah. Well, so he made the right choice. even though he didn't exactly make the right choice and trying to avenge his son. But, you know, can you blame him? Yeah, and...

Those guys were assholes. Somebody should have killed them a long fucking time ago. Yeah, they... I don't see why they all left a boy there. You know, they could have took him to the hospital or something, which apparently, at no time in this movie, anybody ever thought to take him to a hospital, or anywhere other than a creepy witch's house or the family that lives in the woods that has like 30 kids.

Well, this seems like a West Virginia way out in the mountains kind of a thing. Which shout out to Buck Flower. He was the guy he went to go see. Buckflower? Yeah, that's his name, George Buckflower. He's famous. That's my board name. He's famous for playing neither a drunk or a bum,

which he played neither one in this movie. He was the drunken bum in Back to the Future. And he was the drunken bum in They Live that ends up joining the aliens at the end. They Live is a great fucking movie. Yeah. Well. Yeah, that's, that's, uh,

this is another straightforward story. You know, it's just about revenge. and kill Yeah. And so I think that a lot of it is really overacted. Even Lance Henriksen, but he obviously took it a whole lot more serious

than the rest of the actors. Even though a lot of them, I think I'd seen before, you know? They're like those people, ah, that guy looks familiar, you know? That guy. um and i don't want to say that they did a shitty job but they were like in a soap opera

while lance hendrickson was trying to play a part in a fucking movie yeah clearly for me the worst one out of the teenagers was the girl who did a horrible job from stopping the boy from getting hit by the bike yes yeah i got a little boy just to get her off of the fucking screen because she was terrible Yeah, with her nervous breakdown she had. Yeah.

You need to be the first one to die. Yeah. And I thought by the way that they were presenting it, that she was going to actually live longer than she did. And so I was actually really excited when the pumpkinhead guy grabbed her. I was like, oh, all right. At least I get here. At least I'm done.

hearing her fucking madness. But yeah, and you know, you were almost kind of rooting for the bad guy in this one. Yeah. Because these kids were a bunch of assholes. Well, I, maybe not all of them, but that main dude was a dickhead. Yeah, the guy that he was like 35. Yes, for sure.

And he's one of those guys. He's, he's, I've seen that guy before. He's in a bunch of stuff. And, yeah, he, he was a dick, and they kind of waited a little long to kill him, I think. But then I guess you wouldn't care if they killed him right off. The rest of it is just innocent people dying. Yeah. Which maybe would be a good way to look at it, you know?

Then it would be a whole lot scarier, and you'd feel for these people a whole lot more. but I was just waiting for them to fucking die, man. I thought the practical effects were pretty good. I liked the monster. The look of it was pretty great. Lance did great. I like the

lady that played the witch, she did awesome. Yeah. And even the that little family of like hillbillies. The family of gingers. Yeah, they were pretty good. It was really just

teenagers, uh, air quotes, teenagers. They were like really bad. Like, that's the shit that they looked at when they made the screen movie. They were right, all right, let's take this trope and put it here. You know? Yeah, that's probably why they got no character development because they're, they're simply here to just die. Right.

They're the red shirts. Yes. Great way. All right. Well, I think I sounded like I hated it, and I don't think I did. It was actually a fun movie. It was better than I expected it to be because when I saw a pumpkin head, and I remember seeing it in like Blockbuster when I was a kid, you know, and I thought it was going to be one of those. stupid holiday horror movies, you know? I was like, I don't know why I just bullshit, you know, a fucking snowman killer or pumpkin killer or whatever.

And that's not what this was. I think it was a great movie with an unfortunate name. Well, could have been a great movie. It was almost a great movie. Not to give it away. What do you give it for a score? this is another nostalgia thing for me the teenagers weren't great but I really enjoyed Lance Henrickson I like the look of pumpkinhead and it it has some creepy moments in it

some creepy scenery in it so I'm gonna give it a seven and a half I'm gonna go just under that I think I'm gonna go to seven nice because it was very entertaining and better than I it to be, because I thought the movie was going to suck ass. So, I'm happy about that. Neither one of them honestly was as good as the Osploitation movies that we watched last week. Oh, no. Can't beat those.

But, uh, I, you know, I didn't have a bad time with this one. Nice. All right. Any last comments before we wrap it up? Man, we burned through this. episode? Yeah. I guess there's only two of us.

Nez and I just recently dropped a wrestling returns episode where we talked about the last pay-per-view Royal Rumble and the numerous problems with the pay-per-view. Very disappointing. Supposed to be one of the biggest ones of the year, and it was, in my opinion, I was completely disappointed. Really? Yeah, they There's a lot of rumors that

They're going to sell the company And I think they probably should now Because it seems like they don't know They're going to sell WBE Well, Vince is like 150 years old So You know, but he's got kids

I've seen them. They've wrestled Yeah, he just fired his son Oh, well Yeah, so Like for real? Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

It was one of the problems from the paper. He was in the main event, and they had some apparently words backstage, and he was, it's Vince's company, so it's fuck out. Damn. And we just dropped an episode of the Action Returns where we do the classic Chuck Norris film Invasion U.S. say. Super fun film. Nothing but action. Ridiculous,

ridiculous action. Awesome. People just getting blown away for no reason. Chuck Norris was on that level of John Clyde Van Dam and Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone for me. This is probably rewatching this movie. It was probably

my, it's one of my favorite Chuck Norris movies. And Bruce Lee. Yes. and we just dropped just out of the blue we decided to record a bonus episode for

I don't know if I'm saying the name right the Requiem, the Requiem, something. It's a shark movie with Alicia Silverstone. Exactly what you think it is. All right.

Ness hit me up. He was like, have you watched this movie? And I was like, yep. He was like, we need to talk about this. This shark is totally. totally eating me. So we

drop those episodes. Yeah. And we got we got a lot more coming. So definitely go to www. Thehorrorterms.com and there's links to

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