The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #300: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) & Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2022)

Episode Date: February 20, 2022

To celebrate our 300th episode, we take a look at the brand new Netflix movie, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as well as the 1974 original that started it all. Cool of the Week includes All of Us are Dead, Ted K, Kimi, and Peacemaker. Trailers this week are Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and NOPE. The Podcast Spotlight shines on Florida Men on Florida Man. And we get feedback from Kate Pollock. Thanks for listening! www.thehorrorreturns.com Patreon https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns Facebook https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246/ Twitter https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21 Instagram https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?utm_medium=copy_link SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c416/ E Society https://anchor.fm/esoc E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A

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Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always, my co-hosts, Philip, Brian, and Kevin. How's it going, guys? What's up? Good. Philip, you said something about this is Sparta.

What were you referring to, sir? Ah, our 300th episode. Hard to believe. Yeah. Big milestone there for us. I can't believe it's been that long. Actually, it seems like only yesterday that I was listening to Nez I was a young Paduan in training to be a podcaster listening to Naz doing his native side section with Blind Frankenstein.

You remember those days, Kevin? Yeah, I talked to Jess yesterday. He's doing good. He's getting ready to get back on the horse. He's just been living that couple's life. I'm not sure when he's getting married, but he's engaged. So he's just starting a new life with a young woman. I never met her, but she seems cool.

So, I mean, nothing but the best for him. We did do a big guy's last year. We meant to do one more, but just everything got in the way. So hopefully we'll get another one out of one for you guys this year. But he's doing good, man. He's just living his life doing his thing. Yeah, I heard it, man. And some of those questions that he was getting about

to blind people know how to wipe their butt or what was the stupidest question he said he got? He got all kinds of crazy questions. You just got to smell it instead of look at it. Yeah, right. Yeah, we just kind of, I was just asking everyone, if you were to ask a blind person something, what would you ask?

Well, before, for some context, with this. Our buddy, he is blind and we were talking about it one time and he goes, we should do a show and people just ask questions that they were afraid to ask a blind person. So we got a whole

bunch of different crazy ones and we just went down the list and he answered them all. I mean, it was all out of fun. Nothing, nothing don't mean to offend anyone else is blind that's listening, but our buddy it was his idea. So we did it. So yeah, it was crazy. I don't remember any of the questions. We did that one a while ago.

Yeah, that's cool. That's a good idea. Been a while. Brian, he goes, starting to warm up a little bit up there at all. Yeah, it's causing some roads to be kind of dangerous up here, but it's getting warm. I see it and slick, huh? Yeah, we had a day where they had to cancel school because of the road. but roads are pretty much back to normal and it's pretty warm outside. All right, and by warm you mean 13 degrees, right? I think it's a little bit warm. Let's do a live weather check right now. It is 39 degrees.

Okay, well, I'm wearing shorts and a T-shirt right now, so. So am I. So am I. We're 556 here in California. What is it? 56. That's very nice. See, we're like 52.

Well, it's cold down here with the wind, man. Yeah, it's nice and balmy here in the garage, man. Yeah. But I don't have any wind blowing because I'm in the garage, so. Oh, you're right by the water, aren't you, Phil? Yeah. Yeah, so anytime we get kind of a wind coming either way, because I'm kind of right in between the bay and the beach, it's cold.

Or really hot, whatever. So when you get those storms, is it like just out of control? You got to put stuff on your roof to keep your roof and falling off? Actually, my roof is still covered in tarps from the last storm that came through because it pulled some stuff up. And we're still fighting with the insurance company. So that's fun. There are dangers. All right.

Well, tarps aren't so cool, but what is your cool of the week, Phil? I don't know. Blue House is not too bad, I guess. My cool of the week. I watched, I didn't finish it, but I started to watch the Korean zombie thing on Netflix. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah.

It's not bad. I don't know. Yeah? Yeah, I think the zombies are good. The effects are really good. good. They have like breakdance and zombies. Not really, but...

What? When they start to turn, they get all twisty and turning on the floor. It's kind of funny. The dialogue, I don't think, is as good as Squid Game. But some of that may just be lost in translation.

But other than that, man, it's pretty awesome. And then I was checking out the other alien thing on Netflix. It was the Unclassified Government Files One

And They went into all kinds of Native American stuff on On aliens And they Who was this on? It's on Netflix I think it's called

Unclassified UFO files or something like that It's a series? Yeah It's a small series I think it's only one season It's like five or six episodes But they

kind of go through what we know so far. And a lot of it is just eye witness counts. So I call that proof if you want to, but it's it's people that probably aren't insane, although I'm sure that those people are out there too. And then, you know, rolls into the like the leaked UFO footage that the government has acknowledged and speculates on some of that stuff. Is it declassified? Yeah, that's what I was like to say. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to add it to the Q.

Yeah, it's very documentary style and a little cheesy because they have like some computer animated stuff going on in the background when they tell you the stories. Mm-hmm. And not like great computer animation. It's very cartoony. Uh, but uh, if you get into like episode two or three, it gets pretty good. Because then they get into the nitty-gritty government stuff and the reasons for why they're probably doing what they're doing. I still don't know why the aliens are here if they are. But that's the million-dollar question, I guess. They're here. Just keeping it on under.

Well, yeah, and I figure they are, too. I just don't know why or what they're doing. Observing, right? Observing and watching us waiting, finding out. finding out our weaknesses before they strike. It won't take long to figure that out. Well, from the sound of it, they probably get that of day one. From the sound of it, they've been here since probably before day one.

Ah, okay. Well, you guys put any stock in that theory that maybe this planet was seeded? Yes. I mean, that's certainly possible, right? Yeah. It brings up a whole lot of questions. I wanted to be like war of worlds. Yeah. Once you go, if this is true, what does that mean about this? And then suddenly that becomes more plausible.

You know, and then religion and all that, it's crazy. I don't know. I don't know what to think. I just keep an open mind about it. That's the devil. Well, I've been told that before, too. Nas? I just watched Ted K It's a new movie Unabomber? Yeah, I didn't know that.

I just saw the Copley guy and I was like, oh, I like him. I'll check it out. I had no idea it was about the Unabomber. I was kind of just sailing and oh, what's this?

Speaking of government conspiracies, huh? And I was like, oh, what's this? So I just clicked on it. And then I started watching him. It was about two hours. It was a slow burn. Mm-hmm. They based it on, I guess, his writings of stuff that he had written down.

His manifesto? Yeah. And they actually filmed it on the land where he had his cabin. It wasn't the cabin that he lived in, but they just rebuilt it. it, but they said they filmed it there. Okay. And it was interesting. I mean, I didn't know much of his story.

I just thought he was just some nut and was blown things up. But he had an agenda on what he was doing. Was he crazy? Yeah. But I get mad at some of the stuff that he was mad at, but I wouldn't do the things he was doing. He was like, like planes flying over. and he hated it, and then he was writing letters to United Airlines, and then the pay phone that he always used kept stealing his quarters,

so he went to the phone company to complain and wanted them to fix it. The original Karen, huh? Yeah, just crazy things. I mean, things that were bothering him. I understood the logging stuff and how it was clear-cutting and destroying all the trees. He was mad about all that. But it was it was it was crazy I guess when you're super duper smart

You're just nuts And he just part of like some Harvard LSD studies or something Yeah I don't I don't know what he was a part of But he he was crazy and And then when he started making the bombs and everything I would I did I seriously I did not piece anything together and they were just going, yeah, Ted, Ted, so I was like, all right, whatever. But when he made a bomb, that still didn't come to me.

I must have not been paying attention. But when he was putting one of these bombs, there was some computer place that he was, he killed, I think he died, blew up some guy that was running some computer shop. He put the ball, he came walking to the back of the store, he had his hood, that, that drawing that was everywhere with the hoodie on and the glasses and the mustache and all that. I was sitting there watching it and I was like, Ted K. Oh, duh. This is a beautiful.

You figure piece to that. Yeah, I was like, oh, okay. So then I mean, I was already into it. Right. Because I like that actor. So I thought he did a really good job and everything. And it was interesting. I didn't know that this is what happened.

and I'm sure some of it was made up, but I seriously, I didn't know. All I know is, yeah, the Unabower, he's blown things up, they caught him, he's still sitting in prison, that's as much as I knew. So I was like, ah, okay.

So it was actually a pretty good movie. It was supposed to come out last year, but I think it came out recently within maybe a week or so, but it was pretty good. I mean, if you were interested on who he is and what his story was about, It was something to watch.

It's really slow. Did it need to be two hours? No, they could have cut some of it out. But overall, it was a good movie. I liked it. Yeah, I watched a couple documentaries on him. I'll have to check that one out. So it's a docudrama, right?

It's not a, it's not like a documentary where they go back and, like, Cheryl Toe Copley does it, like act out stuff, and then they have a narrator. It's an actual, like a movie. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. And what's, is it on Netflix or where's it streaming? Okay. Oh, okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Brian, you want to, you want to jump in or go last? You got $16,000 Amityville. No. I got one Amityville for the great 2022 Amityville watch. Amityville. poltergeist.

All right. Okay. Man, did I hate this movie. Is it that bad? So it didn't disappoint. It's probably, I'm on letterbox, so people can go follow me there, and I got a list. I'm going to be ranking them as I watch them. This is easily at the bottom.

Oh, boy. Ooh, that hurts. This movie, this movie rips off so many other movies. especially whoever wrote it or directed it was a big fan of the ring especially what was her name samara yeah they even got the damn scene where she's about the it looks just like her the ghost coming out to tv and everything oh wow so yeah just in the house tribute and ripping off for two totally different things when I watch these movies I basically black out

so I don't even know if if this was the house because I don't I don't remember them showing like you know they always show the windows right right I don't remember so it could have been just a regular house they could have been doing the it's it's in Amityville town

bullshit in Amityville that's Yeah. I'm looking at the poster, Amityville Poulter guy, some kind of, it looks like between Chud and creatures from the descent. Oh, even better. Poster has nothing to do with the movie. Gotta love those. Hell has come to feed.

Man, hit the bottom of an Amityville list. That's rough. That's a lot of barrel. It's an accomplishment there. Yeah, Amityville Uprising is. was looking a lot better. Was that one pretty good? Were any of them good that you've seen at all?

The first three. Amityville 3D. I like that one. That's really good. Yeah. I had no idea this is a genre now. Apparently, it just seems like, I don't know if it's like a property that anybody can do, but it just seems like it.

we can go make Amityville. We can make Amityville, Texas or something. Amityville podcast. Yeah. I'm sure that's on the list. We're in the house podcasting and then all hell breaks loose. Yeah, we just got to show the windows. So everybody's like, oh, it's Amityville.

Someone stole my idea. Did you watch Amityville Island yet? It's coming. Is it a dating show? Let me know when you do that. This one looks, it's got sharks. So I'm. Oh.

That's what I was waiting for, Amityville sharks. That's coming. There's already been one, right? Not yet. It's coming. Amityville Island. For God's sake, get out of the water. And there's a big great white shark with red eyes and there's a boat at the top on fire and some lady that's snorkeling but doesn't seem to be scared.

Yeah, Brian, when you get to that, let me know. Let's bonus it up. Let me see what is next on the list. It will be Amityville Harford. It's just some of new picking corn. Hold on. I might have seen that one. Yeah.

Sounds familiar. I think it's done. I think it's done by the guy that did Uprising. I did see this one. Uh-oh. This is the last one I saw. Okay. Nothing to do with the house.

It's in Amityville. Yeah, this was the last one, because I remember when we were doing all our Amity stuff, we were just, oh, this is a new one, and it just came out, so I found it. And, oh, yeah, you're in for a treat. Is it like a specific town, or is it just like Amityville, USA? I don't know. Amityville, Long Island, New York, I don't know. It's like Springfield with the Simpsons. yeah I don't

yeah I don't know who makes or where they get these money to make these films oh that's on the list too Lance which one Amityville Vibrator oh

now that one doesn't sound so bad oh boy but of course that is not McCool the week I will go with Oh, what is it called? Kimmy on HBO Max. Oh, they've been meaning to see that.

Yeah, it's a storyline that you've probably seen before, but I really like Zoe Kravitz, and she essentially plays like a, she had something really bad happened to her in her past, and she's like, what do you call it, agoraphobic, where you can't leave your house? Wow. You have fear leaving and she also has some like OCD type things with germs and

she is a, um, my mind's space and, uh, she, okay, the, the Kimmy thing is like basically like Alexa or Siri. Sure. And she works, she basically listens to recordings. And when Kimi has like a moment where they don't answer the question, it's like an error. She, like, adds in what was supposed to be answered, you know, what the correct thing, you know, basically corrects it. So, Kimmy works a lot better when you ask it questions. And she overhears, like, a possible murder, rape, assault kind of situation.

And she's trying to take it to people and people are being real shady about it, which the whole idea that somebody's listening to your recordings is. pretty shady in the first place. Like I said, it's a storyline with the whole. It kind of reminded me of the situation and copycat with Sigourney Weaver, how she couldn't leave because she had a traumatic event happened. So it's not a storyline

that you haven't seen before, but it's a pretty quick watch and you're fan of Zoe Kravitz, then check it out. HBO Max, right? Yep. I think she filmed this right before she started filming the Batman.

man so fairly new who's her mom um is it Lisa Bonnet or yep yeah I think so and her stepdad is Aquaman

really well here's Amityville Island it's on YouTube and that's the house how is it on an island then yard sale having a yard sale at the Emily house

it has the windows Yeah, so I've heard of Amity Island, but I don't know, but it's on YouTube, so I'm Oh, boy. I know where to watch it. But yeah, Kimmy. All right, I'll check it out, man.

I think it's been out for like a week. Is it an HBO original where it's going to stay or is it going to go away after a month? It's original. All right, cool. Whatever that means nowadays. Yes. Does she turn out to be like an AI?

No Okay But she does a She does a big reveal Yeah she does a real good job of playing the whole Like afraid to go outside and Germs and stuff like that You know just

There is a scene where she does go outside And she just really plays it off well The whole You can tell Being uncomfortable outside Yes So she's pretty convincing then Yeah

Isn't she going to be catwoman? Yeah. She is cat woman. Doesn't she have a bat baby? She could have a bat baby. Damn, Lisa Bonnet is 54. Well, none of us lives forever, man. I'm about to turn 54.

Shit. She don't look 54. I don't know. She don't. She likes those young guys. No, I just read they got a, they're getting a divorce. Oh, well, Okay, that's right.

She couldn't, she couldn't handle all that. I don't know. All Jason Momoa. I saw how he did it in Game of Thrones. The only word he knew was no. Right. He's a big motherfucker, man, because when I met him, I was just looking up. Like, I was like, damn.

Kind of like Opie from Sons of Anarchy. Yeah, I got a motherfucker. was big too. Jason Momor was cool. He was hella faded. He was hell of faded, but was he still hella cool. Well, why not, man?

He could do what he wants. He seems like a cool guy. I'd like that. Yeah, I know he likes to travel with like his hunting gear and bow and arrow and goes hunting. Does he make those knives himself? I think so.

His little hatchets he throws. He likes to go to those places where you throw hatchets to targets and drink beer. He seems like, like a super fun guy. Pretty cool. You know, I'm not gay, but...

Just say... If I were. But if I had to. All right, Lance. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I could, I guess, easily grab the low-hanging fruit

and tell you guys that I finally wrapped up the Mandalorian season 2.5. I mean, Book of Boba Fett. Everybody caught up? Nope. Okay. So there's that, but that ain't going to be my cool of the week, man.

I'm going to go a little off page. What do you think about the finale, though, before you move on? Well, if Brian hasn't caught it, I don't want to. Without spoilers. Did you like it? I really did. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I feel like I was disappointed after the finale.

Were you? Yeah, a little. Well, I mean, there's more to come, for sure, you know? This is all right. Yeah, it's called The Mandalorian. Yeah. It was good. It was a fun show.

I do like the way that they had the flashbacks when he was dreaming of things that happened in the past. I kind of, I like that storytelling style. So I wasn't disappointed. They brought a lot of good characters in. They had some really good, really good CGI. instead of bad CGI. Like you sometimes get some of the later Star Wars stuff.

But no, man, my cool of the week, I got to go a little bit off track here and go with Peacemaker. I haven't seen it. Oh, my God. It's fantastic. All right, Philip, I sent you a text. You didn't answer me.

How in the fuck do they get away with some of that offensive? How is it not already been canceled? I love it. I love it, too, man. So they take some political pot shots, but they sort of take him at both sides. Yes, they do. And I'm okay with that, as long as we're keeping things even.

Oh, man. It's Sina, you can't see him. That's why. What a fun show, man. I love all the characters in it. It is great. He is great in it. And I guess it's all James Gunn, right?

I mean, that's who we have to think for this, right? He wrote it. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is... He said doing Suicide Squad and Peacemaker kind of basically changed how he wrote and developed Guardian's three that they're filming right now. Oh, I don't think Marvel's going to let him be as politically incorrect as he is in this. I think they have to let him do what he wants.

Oh, my God. set him loose, it's going to be a hard R-rated for sure. That sounds awesome. This is the last Marvel movie. Oh, man. I'm only two episodes in, but this is so much fun, man. This is just what I needed.

That guy is a fan of the superhero walk with the music in the background. Oh, no doubt. Yeah, yeah. I love the dance sequence in the beginning. I know. I love that song now. Have you seen any of them, Naz? Nope.

Ah, shit. I can't say anything. All right, cool of the week, Uh, peacemaker. And maybe, maybe, maybe we should do an episode on it when, when all the, the shows are up. Okay. I'm down if you guys are, but this is just what I needed, man. With all the, all the cancel, you're canceled, you're canceled, politically incorrect.

You know, that offends me. This is just, this is the medicine I needed, um, at just the right time. So, um, I'm offended. You said that. Peacemaker. Yeah, good, because that's exactly what I was shooting for. This is a fun show, man. I don't care if you like the superhero aspect of it, the comedy aspect of it, the tithes, just whatever you like, it's in there.

It's really awesome, man. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the episodes, and has this been renewed yet? Yep, season two coming. I'm glad to hear it. Maybe the funny is superhero thing out there. It's better than Dead. I think it's better than Deadpool, man. It's better.

It's up there. It's up there. But it is up there. It's different. I like it. Might be better than the second movie, not the first. Yeah. That first one was elegant.

All right. All right. Well, we'll talk again after we've all seen episode eight. How about that? Okay. How many seen episode one? Dude, watch it. You will love this show.

All right, Brian. Got any headlines? Yep. We're going to jump straight to TV and talk about Netflix finally gave a release date to Stranger Things for... Two parts. Yep. Volume 1. Premier is May 27th and Volume 2, July 1st.

Okay. And they have already announced it's been renewed for a fifth season, and the fifth season will be the finale of the show. Oh, good enough. Good to know. Is that anything we're still supposed to care about? I do. I want to see where the story goes. And from what I understand, they said the pandemic was kind of a blessing for the show

because they were able to go back and work on the script a little bit more. Okay. Well, okay. How big of a time jump is it? They're in high school now. Okay. I mean, not to say that I'm not looking forward to it, but it's been so long.

It's like, oh, yeah, that exists. Yeah. I'm going to say in the next coming weeks, we're going to get hit with a lot of promotion since it's now got a release date. So, strange of things, merchandise everywhere. And plus, we've got to tune in because Robert England's in this season. Oh, that's right. That's right.

they need a cute little character so they can sell toys take it to Star Wars little baby Demogordon like Baby Yoda Let's see Ruben Fleischer who did the first two Zombie Land movies said most likely If you see Zombie Land 3

it will be exactly 10 years after the second one So another 10 year jump Okay Second one is garbage Was it? Nah, I kind of, I like that. That was the one with the Little Elvis Hotel near Graceland, right?

Garbage. I had fun with it. I had fun with it. Yeah, I did too, but it was probably something they should. I was garbage. That's why. Like, the first one was hell of funny and hell of good.

This one was just, ah. Because when you had something like the first one, that was, I think, an unexpected hit, you know? Mm-hmm. And it was, instant classic I hate Jesse Eisenberg

All I remember is the chick that had a peanut allergy And they thought she was a zombie And left her in the woods Oh that's right Tease me where it was Ariel And then she's only in it for like a minute Yeah she wasn't in it very long was she

Eisenberg is kind of like the other The other Oh god damn it What's that kid? I know I know This is the less the less funny version of Michael Sarah. Michael,

that's it. I hate him, too. That's it. But if you had to take one. I kind of wish I'd have seen it with Michael Sarah instead of Jesse. Well, or you could

add Mick Lovin in there too, right? He's close enough to them as well. Fantastic. He could have jumped up as a zombie at the end. Oh, that would have been funny. It's not as funny since he grew up. Yeah.

Are we getting a kick-ass three? That's what I want. Are we? I think they're rebooting it. Why would they do that? I like McLuhan is a bad guy. Yeah, he actually is a pretty good bad guy. The motherfucker.

The motherfucker. That was his super villain name? Yeah. The motherfucker. What's her name needed her own movie? Hit Girl. Yeah, that would have been fine. She's too grown now.

She could still do it. I think the appeal was that she was a little kid. saying the most crazy shit slicing people up that's true taking rounds to the chest I think that she could probably still carry her own superhero movie

and I mean if you're going to give one to somebody she's a great actress yeah I like there in that one movie that people were mixed on the moment the what was it cloud cloud in the sky Oh, yeah, with the

Grimlins on the airplane. Yeah, she was good in it. I think she's a good actress. I think sometimes she just chooses the wrong roles like Tom and Jerry. Tom and Jerry. I never did watch that. What was that movie? It was like an anthology movie

and she was hanging out with this boy and she had her period. What? Oh, something 40, something movie 49 or. or something. Oh, I do remember that. Oh, was she in that one? I never actually watched that. It's garbage. Yeah, that's all I've ever heard from it. But that's the worst movie ever.

They got like a bunch of people into being it. It just didn't, it fell flat. But that that little story she was in was hell of funny. They didn't know that boy didn't know it was. They thought she sat in Kool-Aid or something. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, man. Go on YouTube and just watch that part. That part was hell funny. I'll check it out.

All right. Quiet Place 3 officially happening, but not until 2025. Another time jump, I guess, huh? But we are getting a spinoff movie in between. Oh, come on. Why? Because this happened all over the world, man. Because they need to show the invasion is what they need to do.

Oh, man. Show me that. they will. They sort of did in the second one. Sort of. I want to see it. I want to see it happen. Like that scene when they did, in the second one, when they came out of the sky and landed and it all hell broke loose.

I wanted that whole movie to be like that, the beginning. That's what I wanted. Yeah, that was a good, that was a good segment. I'm with you, man. That would have been a better, a better movie probably. Because them just coming in and everyone just immediately trying to fight them. I thought that would have been awesome I think he should have just let it go with the first one

and then come up with a new idea man You think? Yeah, like it'd be like if there was a sequel of Get Out, you know? Oh, it did really good. We should do a sequel. No, you didn't. Not with that.

If it was a good movie, just leave it alone. You ever see the alternate ending to that movie? I don't think so. When the cops got him? Yeah, he goes to prison. Yeah. Whoa. Really?

What? Yeah. It kind of ends on the down note. It's pretty brutal, man. Yeah, the cop showed up and arrested him. Oh, wow. Geez. Woo.

No, I, I, I like what they did with it, and I like the ending that it had, you know? Yeah. I like it as is. I think that's why they changed it. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. Well.

see here Warner Brothers I don't know why it took this long as much money as the first one made but they're finally developing neither a film or series for I am legend okay all right which indie did you like the one when

he survived or when he died when he died I think it gave the movie more weight yeah I don't know My big memory from that movie is when the dog dies. That is one of the worst scenes in cinema history. Oh, come on, man.

Move on. I liked the movie. I liked the effects. I thought it looked cool. They teased us with the Superman Batman movie, and yeah, we got it. But I didn't like how those vampires or whatever they were looked. You mean the cartoon ones? Yeah, I wish they would have went with like real people.

Yeah. Do the do the cartoon when they're all running and piling all over each other. Yeah, but when they're right in front of them, it should have been, it should have been real people, real actors. It took me out of it seeing them like that because it just looked too cartoony. It's one of those that we're going to look back in 10 years and go, wow, that's really bad CGI. Yeah. All right.

the way that we look back on like event horizon when we went back and watched that and I was like wow there's some really bad CGI in here that's what we're going to think about that movie you know what there's some really bad CGI but it was so amazing

at the time was Independence Day the first one yeah but there was a lot of practical stuff too so yeah but I always go to that scene where the dog escapes the fire and jump Oh, yeah. And not much you can do with that.

He'll put a dog in a real fire, so. This last story is for Steve, friend of the show from the League of Geeks. He's a big werewolf fan. So we're going to talk about Frank Grillo is going to be in a new werewolf movie called Year 2, which they're describing as the purge with werewolves. well if i was going to describe a movie that would be kind of cool there you go it says i don't know how that works but i'll take it year two is a wild and crazy story about the return of a super moon which on the last appearance just a year earlier turned anybody touched my moonlight into

werewolves the synopsis notes that it led to nearly one billion deaths and a bunch of Werewolves? Yes. So Frank Grillo, Werewolf movie, Year 2, Purge meets werewolves. People are dying, murdered, lots of blood, death coming soon in pre-production. That's the news.

And most importantly, Frank Grillo and Werewolves. Yes. Right? I just want to see him go like Punisher mode. And I hope this is one of those where they go like practical

because I am not really familiar with the director of Stephen C. Miller but they said he is a horror film Steve Miller Avricadebra he is a horror filmmaker

turn action director so he has experience working in both genres so fingers crossed we need a good good werewolf movie I'll take it there have been plenty of werewolf movies not all of them good though I heard that one for the trailer we reviewed is pretty good but the cursed ah that's out in theaters right now yeah thinking about going to

check it out I might check it out this week myself dude I have not been using my movie pass very well lately so almost go see Jackass Friday but you guys heard movie passes coming back for real Yeah. Is it like defaulted? That's what I read. I didn't understand how they made money with that. Yeah, neither did they.

That's why they didn't. Yeah. I think what they should have did is what one of my theaters, because they basically have a bunch of regal theaters up here, they have basically movie pass. but where they make their money is the concession. Yes, okay. Well, I've had the

No, I've had the AMCA list for a while. Yeah, because Regal basically you pay the same amount that you did a movie pass and you can do the go see a movie every day for a month. And they tell you you get a discount at the concession, but the price is a concession. the discount don't really do much. So I feel like that's where they get you.

Fish 50 cents off your $4 popcorn that we paid $25. Exactly. $4.00? Where's this? $4. Where are you going, man? $9. Right.

I love the theaters. I love the theaters, but sometimes there are dollar theater is not even a dollar. It's like $5. That's what they're doing with the Dollar Generals now. Unbelievable. $5. General? No, dollar tree.

Dollar tree went up. Uh-huh. Yeah, we have the, we have the 99-cent store where everything's not 99 cents. Okay. 99 cents? Uh, how about a piece of gum? I don't even think you can get a piece of gum. One piece.

How much for one wang? One real. Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm going there, huh? All right. That's the news. All right.

Trailer park time. Yeah. All right, Brian. Bring us the big, the small, and the very, very weird, man. And I think we've got all three this time, right? Yeah, well, let's get three. I thought it was two. I think you said all three categories are in these trailers.

Oh, okay. I guess we'll... for a second, too. We'll jump into Dr. Strange, official trailer released. What did you guys think? Oh.

We didn't even talk. Didn't we all see this at the end of the, end of the, or spider mess or whatever anyway? Spider mess. Fight your tongue. Was this the post-credit scene in the new Spider-Man movie? This is a different one.

Oh, is this different? Okay. Yeah. You had fucking, uh, Professor X in this trailer. Even though he's doing that Andrew Garfield thing where he's denying it.

Oh, and I didn't watch it. So I just assumed it. See? See what happens when you assume? You didn't watch this trailer? This is going to be the biggest Marvel movie. I thought this was the same one at the end of the Spider-Rand movie, man. Why would they release the same one

during the Super Bowl. You guys talk amongst yourselves. I'm going to watch it while you guys are talking. Let's continue to figure out why you didn't watch this as much money as they paid to play. Why would they play the same trailer?

Because I was watching, because I watched Nope about three times because I'm so interested in that movie. Okay, we'll get to that one. Did you watch What If the Dr. Strange episode? Yes. I did. Yes. Because that bad Dr. Strange is in this with the Dr. Strange Supreme

or whatever the hell he was called. Ah, okay. Oh, man. Evil, Dr. Strange, because he has the hair slick back. Yeah. Right, right. That's how you can tell. He was in it. I don't know, they're saying this is Tom Cruise that's in it.

I can't remember the characters. Don't remember the characters. Damn it. Like a super Iron Man or some shit like that? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. I read something about that. Yeah, a different. variant. Yeah. I don't think that's confirmed.

That's cool. That's what everyone's saying. Yeah. I'm like. And they said the professor X, even though he's, Patrick Stewart says that that's not him. I mean,

unless they got someone to impersonate your voice perfectly. A lot of people said, this is the introduction of the Illuminati. Yeah. Ah, okay. Which is basically like a group of

the smartest characters in Marvel. The rumors are saying that the Tchala's going to be there, and what's his nuts? Reed Richards. Yeah, he's supposed to be sitting there. Really opening it up then. So, if this is what they're going to do to bring in X-Men, to bring in Fantastic Four, I'm all for it.

Yeah, okay. Me too. But with this Illuminati thing, I said this before when I was talking to it, with the Zisu, I was like, well, where were all these people when everything was going to shit? How come they didn't come out to hell?

Yeah, kind of like the Eternals. Yeah, same thing with that. But they were, they were told not to help. So who knows? Maybe those same people told them not to get involved, told all these guys, I don't know. I think different multiverse. I think things are going to merge. I think that's how we're going to get

characters. Oh, that makes sense. That'd be a good way to do it. Yeah. because what I said that how they can bring because they said they're not going to um uh not have another black panther movie I think how they can do it now is with these different timelines this the this other different timelines for black panther could be a totally different actor and he can just slide he can slide right into that just do the the black panther episode of what if where Michael B. Jordan became Black Panther.

I mean, I'm cool with that. He became in a not so hero way, but... Yeah, right. Very self, very self-interested, that's for sure. I was going to say, he doesn't exactly seem like a good guy. Because what's her name supposedly is out of it? His sister or the actress. Oh, really?

I heard something about that, yeah. Oh, I thought she was going to be the next Black Panther. She got canceled or something, right? No, she came back to film, but she's not... I think that whole idea that she was going to take up the mantle is done. I wouldn't like to have seen that, though, man. It's too early for all that. It's not deserved.

No. Okay. Yeah. And they said the actor that played Umbaku, he's going to have a bigger role, so I don't know if they're going to go that way. well he's kind of an unexpected hit from the first one yeah I don't think they expected him to be as big as he was and everybody loved him right right

this one I'm excited about man yeah I've heard it on like Wolverine stuff have you heard the stuff the rumor about what's his name supposed to play Wolverine Harry Potter is being yeah force really yeah Harry Potter's going to be Wolverine. And they is.

Did you, Nez, did you see the, the guy that does the, the artwork? He did the poster. Yeah. Yeah.

I was like, I'm hyped. I'm down. I like Daniel Radcliffe. If he looks like that, then I'm, I'm with it. I mean,

yeah, he's not, yes, to everybody, he's Harry Potter. That's all he'll be. Right. But his,

his acting range is all over. the place out of all the movies that I've seen him in. He's always done a good job, even the TV show that he did, and that one Swiss Army man when he was just flopping around. Barton corpse. Yeah. He's pretty good in that one movie

where he played like a undercover guy that posed as a Nazi. Oh, yeah, that one, yeah. He was good, that one too, yeah. He's good with his accent. He can have it or he can't. The last movie I loved was Guns of Kimbo. He was badass as that.

That was a good one. He hasn't done anything bad. But he's going to have to lift an awful lot of weights. Well, he could be like a younger variant of... Like a mini Wolverine? Well, Wolverine's supposed to be... He's never supposed to look like Hugh Jackman. Yeah, he was...

We just let that drive. Yeah, Wolverine's short. He's like five or five foot six, but he's always been stocky as squat. Uh-huh. stocky. Tom Hardy, right? Tom Hardy could play Wolverine, maybe. No, he's playing that stupid

Venom character. I know, but I'm talking about it in a perfect world, not a bullshit world. I'm trying to think. Who would you guys have play Wolverine? It would have been Tom Hardy. But I'm with Harry Potter, okay. I'm with Harry Potter now.

After I saw that picture, I'm with that. Yeah. It would, from what they were, the thing that I was reading, it would just be a cameo. It wouldn't be like he, he's taking, he's taking the match. For now. Yeah. So hashtag Logan Potter.

Yeah. Logan Potter. Let's make it happen. All right. But there's, there's so much going on with this, with the rumors. What's his name? From a quiet place that, uh, to Kaczynski. Mr. Biggiers.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. they said he's going to be reed Richards but then there's a rumor they're getting the actor from the original Fantastic Four movies to be Reed Richards I would fly as far away from them as possible

I know those are terrible man but they said if they if they did uh what's his name as uh Reed Richards Kaczynski I'm okay with that no bring that the guy that was them that played him in the first

movie hell no the first two movies No. Not what's his name that was in that third one? That third one was garbage. He used his power to get toilet paper. No, not that guy. They were all pretty bad, man. No, get Kaczynski and then his wife, Emily Blunt, could be Susan. No, hell no. Bring back, what's her name? Jessica Alba. Just got what? Yeah, I would suppose to that.

But if they bring her back, she can't say anything. Then she'll ruin the whole movie. She hadn't been in anything for a minute. She's like a billionaire now. Yeah, she's got a bunch of like skincare lines and shit, right? Something like that. Yeah, skincare cleaning products.

I think she made like a billion dollars off of it. Well, I guess it can't be Michael B. Jordan now, right? He's going to come back as killmonger, so who knows, who knows? I mean, they... Oh, shit. The other Johnny Torch was, uh, Captain America, right? Way back when. Yeah. Well, let's see

a variant meetup between Captain American Kilmonger. No, I think that they will. Captain American Human Torch. That would be a fucking great scene. Why not? Let's just throw everybody. Let's bring back Michael Chickless as the thing.

Yes. But his foam suit. Actually, that was not bad casting in that movie. We need to, if you want to talk about bad, we need to review the original one that didn't come out, the 1991. Oh, no, I don't know about that one. I don't. You're talking about the, oh, shit. Roger Corman, yeah, the one that never got released.

Oh, boy. Well, the point being if, if Twilight fuck can play Batman. Yeah. Then Harry Potter can play Wolverine. That's going to be bad ass. I know. Why not? Well, Dr. Strange into the multiverse of madness.

I believe it's, uh, was it May 4th. May the 4th be with you. May 4th, May 5th. Bruce, Bruce Campbell, guys. Bruce Campbell. Oh, yeah, we didn't even talk about that. Bruce Campbell has Reed Richards. Sam Ramey is direct.

so that's right where where where and when does uh Bruce Campbell pop up wasn't he supposed to play a certain hero a certain Marvel character at one time are he uh tried out not Spider-Man or was it Spider-Man according to him according to one we talked to him he said that there's there's never been a role that he hasn't tried out for or that that he was rumored to be and that he didn't try out for or something. Yeah. I asked him about what was what was the role that he didn't get and he was like,

oh, I don't get all my roles. He said something. If he tries that out, he gets it, huh? Yeah, whatever, whatever rumor that I didn't get, I never tried out for those roles or something. Listen, kid, I don't try out no more. They just call me. Yeah, I'm sure that's true.

I was sorry, Mr. Carave. I'm worried about Sam Ramey because those Spider-Man movies. the greatest. First it was pretty good. The first one was fantastic. Second one was good, but... Okay. The third one.

Definitely. To me, that was the fuck you to the studio. Was it on purpose? And let him do what he wanted. So he was like, I'm going to fucking give you this. Emo singing Spider-Man. Toper Grace is venom. I don't.

don't know. I mean, don't get me wrong. Sam Ramey has made some awesome films, but his record with the Spider-Man movies wasn't the greatest for me. I mean, I enjoyed them. I own them all, but I don't know. We'll see. I mean, the last movie that I saw that blew me away was Drag Me to Hell. But we'll see. What else does he, what did he do before this one? He hasn't directed, I'm looking at it up because I was reading it. Didn't he do the Wizard of Oz movie? Yep, that was the last movie he directed. Okay.

Was that the one with Green Goblin? Which one? The shitty Green Goblin? No. That's the Han. With the Frankl. Yes, that was the one. That was the one.

Every time I think of him at Green Goblin was when he was eating the pie. He was hot. He was like, Frank. He was like, it's so good. All right. All right. Delicious. Enough about Dr. Strange.

We're all in. We'll go see it. Oh, yeah. Let's see. Phil. I feel like this movie is made for you. Jordan Pills, no. Looks that way doesn't.

We'll see how much he gets right. Let's see if there's even a synopsis because I keep checking and there's no synopsis, which I kind of like that. Okay The residents of a lonely Gulch in inland California bear witness to uncanny and chilling discovery so again

It could be anything Yeah This stars Let me get the cast real quick Barbie Fiera Kiki Palmer Daniel Kalua Stephen Young Michael Wilcock

And Going through the rest of the cast A bunch of other people written and directed by Jordan people written and directed by Jordan Peel so Phil start us all

yeah man looks super interesting I don't know what's going on but that's pretty typical for a Jordan Peel trailer but I'm definitely interested

more than I was on the last one I don't think I saw his last movie. Us? You see us? No, I saw us. It was the other one. Saw us? Get out?

Antebellum? He didn't direct that. Oh, he didn't direct that one. Oh, okay. Okay. And then he, uh, he, he produced and co-wrote candy man. The Village 2? Well, he keeps James Warner.

The Village 2. Okay. That's what I loved about it, though, man. Well, no, I mean, I mean, I'm sorry. Well, no, I mean, I mean. listen, Jordan Peel's got it nailed, man. The village, too. I think in that case, everything he's done is fantastic,

and I'm super excited for this one, too. Like, it's one of those that makes you think more than a regular movie, and I like that. Yes, that's always a good thing. Yeah, a little bit of paranormal thrown in there. Yeah, I am in, I think, like you said, he's got it nailed. I love his writing, his directing style. I love in the trailer how it's just simple.

In the beginning, it's just quiet. And then slowly from above, from Jordan Peel drops down. I just like that little moment. It's simple, but it just, it's very, I'm, what's the word? I'm trying to use. Yeah, there you go. I'm going to, let you know there's something up above that is coming. And it's not just George.

Peel. My only drawback is Kiki Palmer. I Sorry. Yeah. Kiki I don't fucking like her. You don't? Yeah. It's not not so sure she can pull it off, huh? She'll. What else did she did?

A bunch of bullshit. I think if anybody can get what he needs out of her, it'll be Jordan Peel. Okay. Right. She was my concern. Daniel Kaluwa, though, knocks it out the park all the time for me.

And Stephen Young, it's good to see him. And, you know, I know he did that one movie. Manari? Yeah. No, the one that was, yeah, nominated for awards. That was hell of good. Oh, man, that movie is boring as hell. It was hell of good.

Which movie? I love the grandma. I love his grandma. But other than that, man, I almost fell asleep. What movie are you talking about? Phil, they're talking to Oscar movies. Oh, okay, no, didn't watch it. Yeah, neither did I.

Dude, all those awards shows are fucking awful at this point. A lot of them are, man. Yeah. Not last year, man, you had, what's the name, do in the butt? Glenn Close. Right. You did it in the butt. What happened?

That song. She got it in the butt, man. Remember that song in the school days by EU? The butt doing the butt. Hey! She was doing it. Yeah, she knew all the lyrics, man. Yeah, she knew the lyrics.

She knew who wrote it, whatever. I think you, on your acre show, brother, you attributed it to Bet Midler or so. No, I said, um, Merrill Street. Merrill Street. I said that, no, it was Glenn Close, man. And then the dude, I can't remember. It was what does that? name. From Get Out, his buddy. He was talking to her. He goes, oh, you know it. He goes, but can you do the dance? And then Quest Love played the music and she got up and started doing it. He goes, man, this is the blackest Oscars ever. That was funny.

Well, that sounds fun. But aside from that, it just seems to be a time where they all get together and suck each other's dicks. that's behind the curtains. It's not a big huge thing anymore. I just, I don't know. I'll watch every single movie that's nominated. You will too, Naz, don't lie. That's my thing is majority of those movies I either will never watch or will watch and hate.

Yeah. What side story was garbage. I don't care what. No, I'm not going to believe that. It was. Is that singing a dance? Yes. I'm out.

Dude, it's Steven Spielberg. It was a slap in the face to the original. Was that still? What? Oh, there was another one? Yeah. It was a slap in a face. Beginning back to Note.

Yeah, Lance, you had a theory. Yeah, I've got a ton of theories, man. That's fair. First of all, have you guys heard what Nope is an acronym for, what it's supposed to stand for? stands for no no it stands for not of planet earth

oh yep I've heard that from several sources so I believe it but I will tell you this it looks very straightforward well it no dude look if you watch this trailer it looks incredibly straightforward

it's just a straight up alien movie right alien abduction like the what was the M-night movie where they had to put the glasses of water all around the room because alien Minds, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah.

So it looks like that straight up, but I guarantee you, since this is Jordan Peel, there's going to be a twist in there somewhere. My theory is that we're the intruders, we're the interlopers, we're the aliens, right? And going back to that seeding theory that we were talking about earlier in the show, and these quote-unquote aliens were the ones that were here first, and they want their fucking planet back. But that's just my theory. We'll see if it plays out.

Well, listen, we only know human history up to about 10,000, 12,000 years ago at the end of last ice stage. On the big scale, that's not very long back at all. We've been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Yeah, and the planet's been around for millions, and the galaxy's been around for billions. Right. So we didn't evolve at all before that, and then suddenly our society just started over? I'm excited. This is my...

This is my jam. I am really looking forward to this movie. I really am. I think this is going to be his best yet. And you guys well know that both of his prior films were in my top five of the respective year. So this is the one I'm most looking forward to of everything this year. What if he won't get out? That was his best movie.

What if aliens have nothing to do with this? I think that's possible too. I think that's very possible. Very possible. Maybe it's Mother Earth. From within. Yeah, well, there was a big movement. A lot of movies last year like Gaia.

And what was the other movie that was about the Earth fighting back against humans? There was another big one last year. That's a stupid one. Well, the happening was the one that was almost just like Gaia, but it wasn't as good. In the earth? Yes, that was the one. There you go. I'm being negative.

It wasn't stupid. it just was boring. Yeah, it kind of bored me. But this one is not going to bore. I can tell you right now, this one's going to be exciting start to finish. Trying to look up any trivia, and there's just nothing other than Fat Damon was supposed to be in a movie, but he had a scheduling conflict. A scheduling conflict with what?

His toilet? He's going to be in that serial killer movie, Killers of the Flower Moon with Leonardo. read that book. That's about, that's very serial killer-y. No, that's not a serial killer movie, dude. That's about the white man taking land from the Native Americans for oil to drill oil,

man. That's a true story. Speaking of Native Americans, if this is dealing with aliens and there ain't no Native Americans in this, then I'm going to protest this film because... How could they're not be, dude? I know what I'm saying. There better be. There better be, man.

That series I was telling you about, there's one specific episode where there's a bunch of Native American stuff and they go into some of their the star children and things like that yeah the the sky people and everything i mean there's there's a lot of stuff uh that's out there um nobody's really tackled it movie wise but um because i i have a feeling if someone did it would just be made of bullshit but right um i i think um the the little that i know and the things that I've, the people I've met and talked to about this stuff. I mean, my son saw something that he

can't explain. But, um, we were, I was told, I would, they were like, don't,

don't be afraid of them. Don't, if you see them, don't be afraid of them. Just, it sounds like they've been around forever. Yeah. If they wanted to pick us off,

they could have done that a long time ago. I'm going to send you guys this article. Um, I read somewhere that, uh, the movie could, be based off of this article or this

thing that happened allegedly. About a secret underground alien base in New Mexico. So when you guys get a chance to read it, read it. Yeah, it was well, man. That was right next to a nuclear site.

They're real interested in our nuclear stuff. Same thing with what was that movie down, the snowflake, fire in the sky. Yeah, fire in the sky. Oh, that guy. Oh, that guy got taken. They go through that incident. Even the, all of big ones and then like talk to Jeremy Corbell, who is like a leading guy who's letting all this stuff out.

And Tom DeLong and to the stars, who are the ones that released the UFO footage from the government. I don't believe that guy. I got his nuts. Right, but he's headed up a company with people that are nothing but like high-level government stuff. Because he's got the money to do it. That's why. But I don't know about it. The guy that used to run A-Tip, man.

He's in there. Sometimes you got to listen to the crazy guy. No. I don't know, Tom DeLong, man. I don't think that Tom DeLong is so crazy. Just do the reunion with Blink 182. Get some more money for your projects. Oh, that's that guy.

Okay. Yeah, he's the Blink 182 guy who went nuts because of alien. But, like, he's working with some of the highest, level government people that have ever been. Yeah, listen to his show. The shit he talks about. That's crazy. Yeah. If I get time.

Yeah, I mean, but I'm not saying none of that. I mean, I know maybe some of you listen to probably all these guys are full shit. This is all fake. I don't, I don't, we can't be the only ones. Oh, of course not. Right, right. And in the galaxy. Well, and I think at this point there's at least definitive proof of UFOs.

Whether there are ours or somebody else. I don't know. There's something there. Eventually, you got to follow the breadcrumbs or you're just denying truth.

Yeah. Storm Area 51. Bring that back. The truth is out there. Alien cheeks. I think they laugh. They were like, fuck this.

They're just watching us destroy ourselves, so they're like, they'll kill themselves. and then we'll move in. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're trying to prevent that. All right, nope. July 22nd.

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Sequel? C-Make? I don't know. Requel. Direct sequel. So we'll start out with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, 1974, the OG. In route to visit their grandfather's grave. five teenagers

drive past a slaughterhouse pick up and quickly drop a sinister hitchhiker Sinister is probably not the word I'd use But misunderstood He eats the delicious Home cured meat At a roadside gas station

He's just trying to make money off his photography Before ending up at the old family home where they're plunged into a never-ending nightmare as they meet a family of cannibals who more than make up and power tools what they lack in social skills. Director, of course, is Toby Hoover, also known for Paltrugeist and Life Force. See, I like that. Usually Lance throws in, like, the most randomest movies. Writer is Toby Hooper with Kim Hinkle.

also known for Eating Alive and Butcher Boys. Okay. We got a thing going. According to John Larichette, his payment for doing the opening narration was a marijuana joint. I didn't know that was him. I think we probably had this conversation already. I think so.

The soundtrack contains no sounds from musical instruments. Instead, they use sounds an animal would hear inside a slaughterhouse. pigs and such that's nice all right Texas chainsaw massacre 1984 Nez is it hell of good

yeah this movie still holds up to me this is a little hesitation there it's not as good as the second one the second one is my favorite yeah me too man me too

that was hell of good that was hell of good that one gets fucking wild go listen to our commentary last year sometime but this one it's cool

I mean I didn't see it in 74 I saw it when they re-released it in the 80s but this was a film that sitting there reading Fangoria at Mike's house and going on what is this movie here and looking at other books and libraries

and seeing the text of Shades on Masker seeing what it was based off of and seeing the images of leather face and I was like man I got to see this movie so when it came out TV spots for it all over TV yeah coming back to theaters and I was like oh yeah fuck yeah I'm gonna go see this so when it finally came my brother and I went and saw it and I was ready to sit there and be like scared just because of the the quick images that I'd seen in the trailer and pictures I saw so I was like all right this movie's gonna be scary

and it wasn't it wasn't scary i thought it was more comedy if anything i mean because it was funny and because they were crazy um but i mean the film was good it is for its time to be something like that and this film isn't even like gory or bloody yeah there's blood in it but like minimal it's not like gallons flying all over the place yeah i mean because we never really see him cutting anyone with the chainsaw we don't see him actually slamming that chick

onto the meat hook and I love the film it was a good little story and it just did we know it was going to be this huge cult classic? No but 20 something year, for 50 something years, almost 50 something years later man

they're still pumping these movies out and people still watch this film. But after this rewatch, I don't know how many times I've seen this film, I just bought the steel book. Did I need it? No.

I didn't. Yeah, Mike made me buy it. I was like, God, do I need it really? He goes, oh, man, looks good, sounds good. I'm like, all right, because I already got the first steel book. I already got the first go-around on Blu-ray as well as VHS and DVD, multiple editions

on DVD. And then I'm like, damn, fucking all right i'll buy it so i bought it but it's still a good movie i still love it uh rest peace to gunner hanson he is the original uh leather face as well as a marilyn burns and everything he just everybody in this was was awesome my favorite character was uh no jaten jayton sawyer i i just loved him and i really loved him in the second one um so it was cool. I met Edwin Neal, the hitchhiker. He was a really, really cool guy. My very first Comic-Con

in San Diego, he was there. My kids were like, who does this dude? Did he look the same? He didn't have the long, greasy hair, and he was all clean, shaven, and he didn't have that big birthmark on his face, but

he was still cool, sit there, answered all my questions about what they did and everything, but this movie still holds up. It is a classic. I watch it from time to time. I love this film. It's awesome. It's definitely it's got his place in horror history. I don't really think he was much of a slasher

in this one. I mean, I think once the 80s hit and all that and forward, it turned into more of slasher films. But I, as far as his look, I loved how it looked in the second one. But I really liked the two different different masks he had in this one. The very first one we see, and then the second one with the makeup, and he's running around in the tuxedo

and everything. I mean, I just love I love both of those. Yeah, I mean, it was cool. I mean, I liked how it ended. Quick little story. One of the many times we saw this in the theater, me and Mike were talking about this when we saw it again in the theater, but this is before digital,

everyone. This is when it was the film, the movies came in actual film roles. The film was showed so many times and the heat of the projector must have just melted it. Oh, no. Yeah, that happened. That happened. Yeah, when it got to the very end of the film, like right before Sally dove out the window, it's like she jumped out the window, and then the film went, and then, yeah, ah, credits. Oh, man. We were like, as him swinging around that chainsaw is one of the best parts.

Yeah, it was like, I was like, we had already seen it before, so it wasn't like, that wasn't the first time. We were like, damn, what happened? I was talking to one of the dudes that worked at the theater, he goes, it just melted one night, and we just pieced it together as much as we could. As best they could, huh?

Yeah, and it was crazy. It made us laugh. A lot of people that were there seeing it for the first time were like, Oh, what happened? I think some people might have got their money back, but I love this. If I can go see it again in the theater, I would. Well, yeah, I mean, if you're going to get a Blu-ray,

it's got to be one of the essential horror movies, and I think this qualifies, or the steel book. All right. Lance, what do you think about this one? Oh, man, well, Nez, you and I, man, we're not the spring chickens of the group here, right? We're the, and I'm much older than you are by a few years. So I've got some very, very fond memories of this movie, and that was way before I even ever saw it. So when I was a young lad in Longview, Texas, my mom and dad would take me to this thing called a drive-in movie.

Yep, took us to the drive-in movie theater. And they would always show like a couple of movies back to back. but before the movies, they would show, you know, a little, little, you know,

these singing and dancing candy bars and popcorn boxes, telling you to, that's all over the live. That's it, man, telling you to go up to the stack bar before,

before the movie starts. Yep, yep, yeah, got that up, got that before every, and then sometimes we would get like a cartoon

back then, too. I don't know if you remember that, Nez, you're probably not quite old enough to, to remember that, but we'd sometimes get a cartoon,

tune. Then after that, yep, after that we'd get the trailers. And man, this fucking trailer, when it came on, I don't know what movie it was that they took me to see. But I don't think it was a horror movie. I think it was like just a regular drama movie or even like a kid's movie. And this trailer came on and my dad looked right at me and he said, you know this is a documentary, right? and I was watching the trailer for this and believe in my dad

because I was like, you know, shit, let's see, 1974, when the trailer was out, I must have been five years old because I was six years old when this movie came out. So, man, I was sitting there just shaking in my seat and I would not get out of the car. I remember I really had to go to the bathroom and I just held it.

The rest of both movies. I always thought it was real. Oh, it gets crazier, man. Yeah, well, Philip, you can relate to this, dude. All the urban legends growing up, right? Yeah. Like, this was a real thing, and the house where it really happened was always right down the road from wherever you are. You remember all that, right?

Yeah, no, I heard a bunch of different locations on, oh, this is where the Texas Chainsaw Masker happened. It was a real thing. Mm-hmm. Because they presented that way, and those are some of the greatest movies. Oh man, I got some great, great, great, great memories of that man. I was just petrified by what I saw. The movie itself, I think it's a work of art. I think Toby Hooper is an excellent director.

You don't even really get a kill until like 45 minutes into a movie that's not even an hour and a half long. It's just character development, it's buildup. Was there some silly shit? You know what? Was there some silly shit? Like when the truck, you know, blew by on the highway and the wheelchair dude went down the hill because he got scared by the truck or whatever. Yeah, I mean, some Benny Hill silly shit up front, you know, comedy relief or whatever, of course. I like when he's mad and he just kept going.

I think everybody did their part well. That hitchhiker was great in the role that he played. hey, all the warning signs were there. The dude told him at the gas station, oh man, if I was you kids, I wouldn't go snooping around these houses. People may not even want to see you around here, you know. And I don't know, man.

It's a well-done movie. And when it does kick in, it kicks in, dude. It's shocking when Leatherface comes out and you get that blow to the head. And then he pulls that guy in and slams that aluminum door shut. you can just kind of hear it. Yeah, it's pretty immediate. Yeah, it's a really good movie. Like, oh, shit, is that the bad guy?

Oh, we're dead. I think every time I see this movie, I like it more than, more than the time before. It's like, it's one of these movies that doesn't really, when you think that this thing's literally almost 50 years old, it's just crazy that they were able to make this good, you know, it's super, suspenseful filmmaking and it like I said lots of character development you you even didn't

really even hurt to get that many kills and the few that you didn't yet wasn't he wasn't he was he i thought this was like a UT thing like a project for UT you know what that that would not surprise me in in the least um because it kind of has that student film you know look to it i think i think that's what it was a student film i mean i mean i could be totally off base but i think that's what it was that's what i'd always heard yeah make makes perfect sense. Or that might be one of those other urban legends, you know,

that we always heard growing up in Texas. But yeah, man, everybody did their part. You know, you probably, you know, bought this movie for a song. I mean, I'm sure they paid almost nothing to all the people that were in it, but this is always going to be a, you know, a classic horror movie that people are going to want to go back to time and time again.

And when they did show the kills, it was just so so brutal, you know, with the hammering. And then, you know, trying to get old grandpa to lift that, that hammer and it kept falling in the barrel. See, they just didn't afford a real old guy. No kidding. No kidding. It was a young guy in a mask. But you could imagine.

Trivia. Oh, sorry. No, what's that, Brian? The concept of the Texas chainsaw massacre arose in the early 1970s, while Toby Hooper was working as assistant film director at the University of Texas at Austin and as a documentary cameraman. There it is. Got it. There it is, man.

There it is. So, uh, yep, probably no marijuana or cocaine was harmed in the making of this film, I'm sure, you know, you know, on campus like that in the 70s or LSD for that matter. But, oh, man, it's, it's good. It's good. They got, they got the suspense down. Um, they didn't even have to show you too much gore or bloody kill. to kind of get your heart rate pumping.

And, you know, there's a... Obviously, this film set the stage for a lot. We've talked about House of a Thousand Corpses, and the list goes on and on and on and on. There's so many movies that this one inspired. And this was the original, man. It's a good movie, classic. All right.

Brian, what do you think? Yeah, I agree with everything that's been said. Definitely classic. I can't compare it to the second one. Because they're totally two different tones. Yeah. As far as story and characters and Final Girl, just completely different. Because the second one's real silly and crazy and there's like a lot of bad guys and a lot of characters.

And it's like, oh, well, we've got budgeting now. Let's use it. Right, right. And Dennis Hopper on, hopped up on Coke. Allegedly. It was the 80s. But this one is a classic. and Nez brought it up earlier.

This is not gory at all, but I think that speaks to what Toby Hooper did because people remember the movie as gory. And I think that's just the way he filmed it and told the story. So people in their mind... You have to look for it to not be gory, I think. Yeah, but I think people always...

Yeah, I think people always remember it as gory. Yeah. Well, it didn't even click to me. me that, oh, wow, they didn't really show a lot of gore until you guys said something, even after just watching it. Yeah. And I didn't grow up in Texas, but as a kid, I was always told that this was real. And the family was never found, and they could be anywhere, you know. Yeah. And that, that always scared me as a kid, you know, until I, you know, learned about Ed Dean and all that stuff. And I was like, oh, well, I was lied to as a child.

But I don't worry. You lied to as an adult, Lenny. Yeah. Another thing that that I like about this movie, it makes you feel like you need to take a shower. It's just so gritty and grimy and sweaty.

And you feel that watching this movie. And I think all the characters did what they needed to do. Franklin. Bless you, man. But I couldn't wait for you to get killed. I understand you were in a position that you were in and you always had to be helped out. But man, Franklin, you were annoying throughout this movie. Franklin was great.

I love it. I think Gunner Hanson was a fantastic leather face. The scene always sticks out as just that close-up of his face. And he's just kind of like licking his lips and you see his teeth and it's just a very creepy image. and of course the iconic door slam when he slides the door closed that definitely always sticks out in my mind and you could feel that

and I want to ask you guys they say that this is a rumor not saying that Franklin eats dicks in real life but in the movie when he's eating a sausage they say that that's supposed to be a dick I don't think so I think it was just a sausage made with human meat, right?

Well, he does kind of spit something out like, oh, that wasn't like. Like the head. There may have been some dick in there, because typically sausage is just left their parts. A little bit of everything. Oh, well, yeah, like the hitchhiker was describing, the way they make head cheese. It's like they take everything, the jowls, the brains, the ears, the skin, and they melt it all down into a paste, right?

Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure there was some dick in there. I don't think it was phallic. I think it was just like a sausage encasing that, because they picked it up at the gas station, right? He could have been like cooking up dicks. I don't know.

A dick on a stick. This one's got a vein in it. What's going on? Oh, boy. Have you been to the gas station? You guys are the closest. Oh, no, but you, you, told me you wanted to go man you what i thought one time we were supposed to meet out there naz i want to go

there i just want to see it all that shit's close to austin right because the house that they filmed it is in round rock or it wasn't round rock they moved it they moved it to kingsland that's by austin and and isn't that gas station kind of near austin too uh or bas drop near Bathrop, which is kind of close. It's where all those fires were. We don't get fires like you guys do in California, but when we do, man, they're a motherfucker because there was a huge fire that ran like

from Austin to Bastrop, like, what, 10 years ago, Philip? Yeah, I think so. So, yeah, I think it's in that area, but yeah, we should go sometime, man. Brown Rock is real close to Austin. I want to go. Yeah.

Yeah. We should check it out. Yeah, Bastrop was close to Austin. Austin. And, yeah. Well, if you guys go, pick me up at the airport in Austin. We got to hurry up and get there before they turn it into a fucking Bucky's, right? Yeah. At least we can get some barbecue. That's what the new movie's about.

Get some dicks. Jesus Christ. Yeah, no, this is, this is essential horror 101. man, this is a classic movie. Like, this is right up there with Friday the 13th and The Exorcist and, you know, Nightmare on Elm Street, like things that you have to watch as a horror fan. Texas Chainsaw Mask is one of them. And I think it does still hold up.

Even without the gore, like I said. Like I didn't even realize that there wasn't a whole lot of gore until you guys said something. And I was like, oh, I guess there's really not. but it's implied gore yeah that's right that's right the scariest kind yeah well and uh you know supposedly the story's kind of based on ed gine who used to uh it was sort of a cannibal but i like i guess he used to like make things out of the bones of his victims and things like that that's right yeah make lamp human human skin lamp shades and everything else right didn't he like fuck the dead bodies and shit probably probably

Hey, if you're willing to skin them and make furniture, I imagine you're willing to do a lot of stuff. It's a horror classic for me, man, and it's never bad. It takes it a while to get there. For sure, there's a lot of character development. Yeah, which is a good thing. It's a good thing. Yeah, which I actually really enjoy. And on.

you know, more watches, I've learned to appreciate that part of it as well, you know? Because you always remember the leather face stuff. But he doesn't show up to like halfway through the movie. Even, he didn't really show up until the third act. And, yeah, I really enjoyed it, man. I like the whole character development part. I like when Leatherface starts kicking ass.

And I love the ending of this movie, you know, where he's still out there. There's still something mysterious out there. Whatever happened to the poor driver of the Black Maria? Did they really show him get away for sure or what? No, that's a lot of meat on his bones. He kept running down the road. He had a lot of meat on the bone, man. Yeah.

That looked real, man. That seemed like real. Like I could see somebody doing that. Yeah, like he's swinging the chainsaw in the air at the end of it going all nuts. And it was like, dude, dad isn't ending to a movie. He killed it. Yeah. And it was just, it's classic horror, man.

It's great. It is one of my favorites. I like, I liked how it ended. I mean, because after Sally got away, obviously she went straight to the cops so they must have went back to the house packed up and cut and left the hitchhacker

splattered out in the highway I did like the Texas Chainsaw 3D how that one started right where this one ended how they went back to the house and the police and all that showed up because Sally did go to the cops.

They came up to the house and said, hey, man, we want your boy. We know what he did. So we got a girl at the police station. Come on, just sending them out and we'll be all right. And this is when Bill Mosley was playing Drayton Sawyer. Ah, okay. Gunner Hansen was in that film as well, as well as Grandpa. The guy that played Grandpa reprised his role again.

With the mask on, huh? Yeah, they threw all that stuff back on him. Gunner Hanson was there because I guess when, I guess when he came back to the house, more family from the Sawyer family showed up because all those guys were in the house with guns. And that's when they had that big shootout. They wouldn't have had a shootout if that one idiot didn't show up and bring all those other Yahoo's. and then they wanted the other town folks and wanted to shoot the house up and because they just wanted a bubba but i liked how that one began and then they just blasted everybody burned up the house and then he got away i can't i can't forgive that movie for that one line do you think cuss

oh shut up Dario whatever I love her watch you think of us who broke that I wanted I wanted another one to that one because she just obviously I have whatever

I'm part of this family and let's go I wanted to see where that was going to go but we never got to anything for that one, but if you didn't see it in 3D, you can't appreciate it. It was goofy. Throwing the chainsaw at the camera and all that. Shout out to Scott Eastwood. I did like his character in that film.

And where did he go? I don't know. He brings her there to his father and then he leaves. No, he just leaves. Oh, that's right. His dad was the mayor or whatever. All right, that's right. Maybe they should have done a follow-up to that instead of what we got on Netflix this week.

We get to that in a minute. But, I mean, yeah, this movie's awesome. I loved it. Did all the other movies connect? No. But this franchise is all over the place. Yeah. Most of them are.

He dies. Yeah, what isn't? He dies in the second one. Right. But then he comes back for the third one. I think he, I assumed he died in the third one, but then he comes back in the fourth one. And the whole Luminati bullshit and all that. But he didn't die.

He at least survived the fourth one. And then the remake and the prequel. And then the dumb, though then we got the 3D one and then the dumb leatherface one. But, oh, man. Maybe Dr. Strange brought him back from the multiverse. see i mean i'm how big is this family and uh was this the same leather face and all of them i don't know but good question it's like different what variants or something i guess

in breedings a motherfucker different different timelines i mean but i mean this franchise did uh what happened to his daughter that's i don't from three that i don't know we had Academy Award winners and nominees in this franchise so what can you do

you got to start somewhere I do like that Renee Zellweger is finally talking about the next generation because

she didn't want nothing to do with anything that but now she's talking about it so she wasn't good in that I mean at least

Matthew McConaughey was entertaining Oh, yeah. I mean, he was the star of that movie. Yeah. I didn't like that version of Leatherface. To me, that one was, he was scary. That one, he had the full woman body.

At the end, when he was in his evening gown and all that. Like Dr. Frankenfurter, huh? Yeah, that one was creepy. He was making it work. Yeah. All right. Don't dream it, be it. Yeah.

Well, what's your score on this one, Ness? Go ahead and do it. The first time I saw it, when I was a little kid, when I saw this, I walked out there. Awesome, 10. But after the years and years, it's almost 50 years now watching this film. again, I get plenty of enjoyment out of it. I'll go eight. All right.

Good score. Good score. That is a random one. It's usually 10 or nothing. Part 2 is a 10. You see 10 or 1, huh? Lance, what do you think? You know what?

At one time, I would have given this an 8 also, just like this. But to me, this movie is like a final. wine. It just improves with a so I'm about to give it an 8 and a half for what it accomplished and mainly for what it has influenced over the years.

All right. Brian, what do you think? I'll give it a fucking 10. There you go. Nice. This started a franchise and started a franchise and gave us an iconic character. Yes, it did. Yeah. I'm going to go

10 as well. I think I Wow. Essential classic horror, man. This is one of the movies that started it all. And just based on how many slasher films and stuff were, you know, inspired by this, I think you got to give some credit for that. All right. As high as we scored this one, man, the spiritual sequel from this year has got to be just killer, huh?

Well, we shall see. Because up next, we got a Texas Chainsdown Masker 2020 on Netflix. After nearly 50 years of hiding, Leatherface returns to terrorize a group of idealistic young friends who accidentally disrupt his carefully shielded world in a remote Texas town. 70-something-year-old Leatherface. Who's a fucking ninja? Boy. Director is David Blue Garcia,

also known for Tejano. Writers are Chris Thomas Devlin, Fetti Alvarez, and Roto Sayuis. But really? I mean, really?

Or did Fetti Alvarez, James Wan, this one, Philip? Maybe. I mean. Probably. The writing is. Basically just counted the dollar bills and that was it.

For some trivia, the first Texas chainsaw movie to feature the original main character, Sally. However, in this film, she's played by Owen Fiore as the original actor, Marilyn Burns, tragically passed away on August 5, 2014. And it holds the pristine place of being the first film to hold a test screening post-COVID-19 pandemic. Are we in post-COVID-19 pandemic yet? Nez, are we? You're in California. You're the one that announced it first.

Intimic now. It's still going strong here. I don't know what they're talking about. All right. So, Nez, what do you think about the new one? I'm reading here they filmed this all in Bulgaria and there was it sure wasn't Texas I guarantee you that

I could I can tell that the first first fucking shot there was two there was two directors before this Ryan and Andy Tohill but they said what they filmed was crap so David Blue Garcia was hired

and they just threw all that other stuff away so we won't get a Tohill cut um but um i was excited another texas chainsaw massacre um okay cool we haven't had one in a while except for that um 2017 leather face one um that's right that's right that was the last one so when this when this one was announced i like the trailer i thought it was really good said okay we're we're going this route with the with the blood and violence so cool yeah and the the

social media you're cancelled bullshit and all that yeah uh the effects I loved it was a good combination of practical and CGI yeah they did use real blood and the CGI blood as well

for all the splatter and everything um I loved all that I thought the kills were cool um especially my favorite kill was when that first uh sheriff deputy when he when he got killed, I thought that was awesome. And then when the whole massacre on the bus, which we see in the trailer, that was cool.

But this story was all over the place. It made no sense. Sally's character was wasted. Whoa, look, careful. We're not in spoilers yet. No, I mean, that's not, I'm not saying what she did. She was wasted. because they hyped her up in the trailer like oh she's returning and she's going to be like

like like uh like jamie lee and holloween gearing up uh to to take on leather face so right yeah i got shades of like it was gonna be like the terminator or something yeah so i was like i was like okay cool they're going this route and it is it's modern times so but i was just like i mean did they how much time did they spend on this story How did they get power in the bus for the party? It's what I want to know. Just keep the engine running. I thought they couldn't start the engine because the keys.

The keys weren't there, dude. The battery, no, they had it going. Well, they just turned the battery on. Yeah, you know, they're on a party bus? Yeah, there's probably other batteries that run everything. But apparently no one knows how to use the emergency window exits. So, okay. No, you've pound on it, right?

Yeah, and just smear blood all over it. I mean, don't try to put logic in this film, Boys and Girls, because there was none. And a lot, a lot of bad ideas that was going on this. I didn't know who any of these people were in this film. Any actors. Well, the one girl was in Blockers with John Cena. I don't remember. She was like, wasn't she John Cena's daughter or she was?

I just remember his naked butt at the end. That's all I remember of that film. He butt chugged. Yeah. The only actor that I recognize is was Burke from aliens. He was the sheriff. Oh, and the little mechanic handyman guy. He was in Vikings as well as Game of Thrones.

Ah, all right. But everyone else, I didn't know who they were. The acting wasn't the greatest. But, I mean, you don't watch these films. films for good acting. You don't watch these films for good story. You want to see killing and all that. And I was pleased with all the killing in blood and gore. It was just everything else was just jumbled up together. And I didn't know you can just take over a ghost town and try to sell it to people. But okay. But with that being said, I mean, we got another Texas chance on massacre. will it make my bottom 10 or top 10? I don't know. We still got a lot of movies to watch.

But I did get an enjoyment in it. I watched it three times. When it comes out in physical media, of course I'll buy it. Shit, I bought the last shitty leather face. So, this one was better than leather face. That last one. It was way better than that one. But it was really short and to the point, I did like that.

They didn't try to drag it all out. Yeah, thank God. Once the killing started, which was cool. I liked it. I liked the why he started killing again. So I thought that was cool, but it was just a lot of stuff in this wasted. It was, again, like, they just had ideas. Let's do this.

All right. Action and filmed it. So, but yeah, this movie wasn't the greatest. All right. Good description. Lance, what do you think? Oh man, I'll go a step below that. This movie was asinine.

Nothing in this thing made sense from the beginning to the end. And you want to talk about Sally's character being wasted? I mean, I wouldn't even give it that much respect, truthfully. I mean, none of the story made sense. I didn't buy into why they were there. I didn't buy into how you could be so boneheaded. to go into the wrong place and kick somebody out. I don't even know why they kick that person out.

I don't think it works that way. I think when you evict somebody, you can't, like, do it on the spot literally by calling the sheriff. They were told that everybody was gone. Because even when the cops showed up, they said, hey, we told you to leave like weeks ago. What are you still doing here? Nope.

Yeah, nope, nobody in this movie was likable. I mean, in the first movie, I liked every single one of those kids. I could relate to every one of them. Even Franklin. And a lot of the rest of the chainsaw movies, I could. What's that? Even Franklin. Well, of course, of course, man.

I mean, come on. Franklin's a good old boy, man. A lot of these other chainsaw movies, even the Dadaria went. I liked all the kids. I liked everybody that was involved in it. They got in over their head. They might have done stupid things. They deserve Brian's stupid people shout out and all that in several movies.

Nobody in Texas 3D was likable. You know what? Compared to this one, shit, dude, I would have let them date my daughter. I mean, this movie, every one of this movie was just complete fucking douchebags. when they all pulled up their cell phones to take the picture and then you got that you're canceled. That's what everyone does now. Isn't that the point?

I guess. I guess. I just, I didn't buy into any of it, man. Nothing about the storyline to me made sense. There was no reason for the motivation for anything. Unlike you, as I don't understand what made him start killing again.

Because his guardian. died. Because he didn't, from what, from what we understood, he didn't, he didn't kill anybody anymore. Was it like, was it like a suicide or did she poison herself? I mean, was it just bad timing? She had a heart attack. She was already in bad health.

She would have had a heart attack anyway. I think somebody even said that in the movie. But she went in there and they were pissing her off and then they were like, hey, man, you got to get out. Oh, okay. And she was like, because she was like, what? She was like, they riled her up.

Yeah. They riled her up. Huh? Did you watch the movie? Unfortunately, I'll never watch it again. There was big, she got mad and like,

this is my house. What the fuck you guys doing? And then the cops, and when the cops came in, they like grabbed her. I want to hear Brian to hear Brian. Because it sounds like he's going to give it a 10. So go,

Brian. I had fun with it. I mean, I don't know why everybody's like, coming down on the story. I mean, it... Not everybody is, dude. All my friends on social media were like,

hey, I kind of enjoyed it. Or, hey, pleasant surprise. It gave a reason for them to be there. It gave a reason for him to fucking kill everybody. It gave you the kills. I don't know what everybody, what more do they want. I mean, I wasn't expecting, quote, unquote, elevated horror.

I wasn't expected... Well, I don't want elevated horror. Could, could, Could we have at least had a little, you know, tension and build up? Why? Take your chance on Magickar. What do you mean? You got that in the first one.

You took the reason from him why he was been basically hidden. He was take, this lady took him in and hid him away from everybody. And then that was taken away from him. And he fucking lost his mind and fucking murdered everybody. And I enjoyed every minute of it. I don't care. I didn't like anybody. They were there to get fucking murdered.

I love it. I love it when this happens. And I fucking enjoyed it. Sally, I kind of like what they did with her. Uh-huh. Because it wasn't what you expected.

And... They did with her what they do with every fucking final girl that comes back in Halloween three or fucking... Come on, dude. You know they did, man. No, I didn't. I don't agree with you. They did what they did to Ripley.

They did what they did to Laurie Strode. And then they're going to fucking reset this shit again and say this didn't happen. Just like they did with those deaths. I mean, oops. It's called money, Lance. Of course they're going to do that. But I don't know what you're saying, comparing it to Ripley. I don't know what they did to Ripley.

That was anything close to what they did here. It's definitely not what they're doing with Laurie Strode. because... Oh, man. I think that... Go ahead. I wanted more... I wanted more with her, because

what we're being told in this, she, after she recovered from all the shit that happened to her, because the one guy said, she was hunting for him for 30 years. Yeah, and then she became like a marshal or something, right? A Texas marshal.

So she was on the look for, on the lookout for him. I would have thought she'd been in insane asylum after the way that first movie in. Maybe she did. Yeah, maybe she was. And then she kind of said, fuck this. Oh, great.

I'm going to go after this motherfucker. And that's what she was doing for 30 years. So I wanted, I'm like, oh, cool. She's got motivation. They killed my brother in front of me. Right. Killed all my friends. Drove me crazy.

Now I'm going to get this bastard. She hunted him for 30 years and never found them. And now she finally gets to see him. And what we got in this for me, it wasn't enough. I wanted to see her. her kick ass. I wanted to see her kick ass just a little bit more. It wasn't enough. It worked for me. I don't know what to tell you guys. It should have been more respect, man. More respect for that character because they could have done something with this. I think they showed enough respect. It went down weak, man. Basically, from what she became now compared to what she was at the end of the first one, I think they gave her enough respect. They could have just had her be a fucking crazy fucking lunatic locked away.

Right. Well, they could have just never even brought her back. But I was excited for the most after I saw that first trailer is that she was, her character was coming back. Because I wanted to see

a little bit more of that. Maybe I wanted to see flashbacks of what she went through after the whole incident. I mean, I wanted to see, I didn't know it was going to be mainly about these kids. well, they're younger than me, so they're kids.

But these kids that were trying to sell the town. Big time kids. I just wanted a little bit more out of her character. I wanted just a little more backstory. What were you doing for almost 50 years? Other than just saying, yeah, she was a marshal and she was hunting for him. Yeah, I would agree with that, Brian. I think they should have gone a little bit more into that backstory.

And like you said, it was a nice, lean, clean movie, right? It was an hour in 22 minutes or 23 just like the first one. But they could have added 10 minutes of her backstory, you know? Just give her a little bit more. It gave me enough. I mean, and then the reason why those people were there, that maybe exactly they weren't there on the best of terms, and we'll get into that and spoilers.

I thought. I'm trying to be careful what I see. I think it added to them. I can't even say it without spoiling it. Yeah, yeah. It worked for me. I wasn't looking for a deep fucking story or wasn't, you know, looking for this movie to be nominated for an Oscar.

It gave, just like Halloween kills. It gave me what I wanted. I can see that. Well, I'm dying to know what Phillips is. I'm sort of an agreement with Nez here. I think he sort of said it best. Like the kills were pretty outstanding. I think the effects were pretty great.

But yeah, like nobody in this movie was likable. I was kind of thinking on everybody. Like if they had dropped a missile on this site and everybody died, I'd be okay with that. That's a little brutal, man. Well, which is, you know, not far from, well, what happens, but I guess I can't. We'll wait until spoilers till we get there. Obviously, people die. I did kind of like the party bus scene where he was just letting loose on everybody, and the guy was like,

make a wrong move, and you're canceled, bro. He just started fucking slaughtering everybody. And I thought that was fun. It was really just the main characters I didn't like I didn't really get their reasoning for things particularly the like the mechanic guy

was sort of an asshole for no reason and the got these out-of-towners coming in yeah I guess yeah well I mean that was also kind of a red herring though right because you thought he was going to be maybe part of the family or something Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or maybe he did or didn't turn out to be.

We'll talk about it in spoilers. I can see why they set him up that way. That I understand. But why did all these kids come to town, Brian? Explain it to me, man. Maybe I did miss something. You asked, did you see the movie? Maybe I fell asleep in it.

So are we in spoilers now? Why were there buying up the little fucking town? Are we here on spoilers? Yeah, let's do scores. Oh, all right, so we got to do scores. before we can go further then. Oh, right, okay. All right.

Yeah, score. I'll give it an eight. Oh, all right. Lance. Zero for Lance. I didn't expect that. I'm two on ten. I'm two on ten. What?

Oh, my. I'm two on ten. Brian? Hold on. I got a woo saw for a second. All right. I'm there with, for different reasons. there with Nez, it's an eight.

Fuck, man. You're actually like, this is this year's Dune or something. I don't know if I'm going to go eight. I think I've got to go like maybe six and a half. I think it was fun. It was a...

It was a fun watch. Just because the effects were good, the kills were great. The action was pretty nonstop. And it started from pretty much the get-go. So that was nice. They gave you what a sequel should be, I guess. I don't know.

You know what? I would have given this a one, except it was short and sweet. So that gave me an extra point. Yeah, I don't know. I felt kind of gross saying this is what a sequel should be because it's not. But it did have some. a lot of redeeming qualities. I'm sort of in the middle there. All right, let's do spoilers.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Now we can talk about the movie. You said, why were they there?

Yeah, please explain it to me. They were going to, they obviously bought this. property for super cheap thought they were going to fucking build restaurants and fucking art galleries and just all they were going to start a communist utopia. They were going to gentrify

they were going to gentrify the hillbilly haven of Texas. Yeah, the mechanic ass, he was like, are you all some kind of cult? And then he explains what they're trying to do and he was like, yeah, so you're a cult. So you're a cult. And that's what I'm I did like that line.

I did like that line. I felt like the main dude that was kind of running the whole buying the town. I kind of felt like maybe the deal wasn't closed. The whole situation with the deed, and he was looking for it. And he was like, I must have left it back in Austin. He gave me the impression that maybe the deal wasn't closed and they're kicking these people out before they were even good and ready to. So maybe he was full of shit the whole time. Yes.

That's what I got out of it. But they obviously had already, the town people already knew about it because the sheriff, they knew about it already. Because they said, hey, we told you to get out two weeks ago. I think the deal was going. It just wasn't done. It might have just been mentioned to the sheriff's. Hey, this lady needs to get out. Because if I buy a town or a property like that and I'm showing.

up. I'm showing up with the deed in a special case to present to everybody that I own this. I just, you just don't forget something like that. And the way he acted, I just kind of felt like maybe he knew the deal wasn't closed, but in his mind, it was just as good as done. Because she, the late, now I hate him even more. Exactly. She even said she was like, well, where's your deed? Let me. see it that yeah that's when he said he didn't have it right because then he goes well where's yours at she goes i she goes why i don't need to show you this is my place because later when they were rummaging through all the stuff uh the melody chick she found it she found the deed that that house

was hers was that was that ladies and that was like uh-oh yeah because she she told that she told the cops she was like i got destroyed with the bank already what are you guys talking about but then the cops were like, nope, that's when they grabbed her and she just, the blood and everything was boiling in her and her body just couldn't take it because she was already on oxygen. And then when she got into the paddy wagon, she just died. And then that was it. Total other phase, don't go in my room. And then boom, she killed over. And the cops or paramedics, they obviously, I think they knew who he was. Uh-huh. Because when she died, the look on his the guy in the back his face he was just kind of like oh shit i'm fucked and and in fact

he was and then i that was the motivation he needed to come back and murder everybody the thing with the buying the property and the whole deed that was the motivation for all them people to fucking get killed but why did okay so why did that girl go with her to the hospital that's what that's what i was wondering that makes why no sense at all. Because I think even if they felt bad about it, it's fucking weird. I didn't see why she went with them.

I just felt like it was just something she felt that they were responsible and wanted to make sure that she was okay. That's all I took out of it. Yeah, because she was the one that texted one of the other girls, hey, this whole lady didn't make it. And then that's when they all found out. That's when they were all rummaging through the house. And then when they found the deed.

But that scene when leather, I mean, I felt for him right there. I mean, she took care of him. So I assume as soon as he escaped the house from the first film in 74, he, I don't know where everyone else went. He probably might have just went straight to her. Yeah, because it was an orphanage. Yeah. So he knew that was safe. And they said it in the film because when they were saying, well, how come they never caught him?

And they go, well, he had a mask on. And nobody knew what? he looked like. So he must have just went there and just stayed on the under. And then later, maybe years and years later, he finally came out because, yeah, the police, they knew who he was. I don't know if they knew who he was, that he was a murderer, but they knew he was there because when he came walking down the stairs, they didn't like, ah, flip out or anything. He just came down and he was helping whatever that lady. Was that his mom? Because she just said, she kept saying, my boys and all that. I think because she.

She took in the orphans. She considered them her children. So I think him being there this whole time, she just, they had a mother's son connection. And like I said, that was all his motivation. And I fucking liked that he took her damn face to be close to her. Right. And put that shit on. Yeah.

He didn't put on all the makeup and high heels. He put some makeup on. He put makeup on. She told him not to go in a room. She probably knew he was going to get in the makeup. But dude, when he just lost it when that deputy was sitting back there, he leaned over to the sheriff. He was like, hey, man, she just croaked. And then you just see leather phase just, ah, his rage.

And then when he was trying to get the oxygen tank to work, so he put it back on her mouth, hoping it would help. But then the other deputy grabbed him, and that was a mistake. And he just looked at him and just snapped his wrist and the bones were sticking out. Then he shoved it in his throat. That was the- That was the best kill in the movie, for sure. No, there was more.

But when that happened, I was like, this is what we're doing with the murder, with the deaths and the gore, awesome. Because when that fool got it in the throat, he had his gun out already. He leaned back, shot Burke. the back in the neck. And then that's when they, ah, and that's when they crashed. So, I thought that was an awesome way

to kick off the mayhem to what was coming later. But that first kill was my favorite. I snapped that guy's wrist. And I thought this movie was well shot, because there was a lot of great scenes in there, especially the whole

thing in the, what was it, Sunflower field? Yeah. Yeah. When he just pops out when he's wearing a mask. I don't think sunflowers grow here in Texas, Philip, anywhere I know. What about you? I don't know. I did notice when I went back and watched the original, there was some sunflowers back there. Were there?

Yeah. I mean, they weren't. It wasn't a giant world like that. But. Mm-hmm. And I like that they made you think the fucking mechanic guy was going to do something. Yeah. And he did.

Like I said, he was a red herring the whole time. I loved how he's trying to, which you already know is a mistake, that he's trying to go up against leather face. And then he takes that mallet and fucking breaks his leg. Oh, that was a good kill. He was no joke, man. Broke leg, he still tried to fight him. Yep. I'll give him credit for that.

I liked him. He was my favorite character in this. My least favorite character, though, was that girl with the curly hair. I fucking hated her the whole time. Oh, yeah, that was John Sina's daughter and cock blockers. I think, like I said, I felt like cock blockers. I felt like this, you were never supposed to like any of these characters. Well, you were, they wanted you to like, um, Lila.

Yeah. They wanted you to like her because she had already gone through, uh, she was a survivor, survival or survivor of a school shooter. Oh yeah that's right. She had the survivor's guilt. Yeah, because she had, she had that bullet hole in her. So that was

a little thing to get her motivation around. Because I thought when she was when they were having the auction for the town and she just didn't want to have nothing to do it and she was walking off when she was talking to the

to Richter, the mechanic guy, When she walked in, that, and noticed earlier in the scene, when we first see him, he's got a big old gun on his waist. And then when she goes into the mechanic, he's got this big, I don't know, I think it was looking at, she was looking at it. Because he did, do you ever shoot one of these? And he was like, no. And I did like when he handed it to her, he pulled out the clip, make sure it was empty, then gave it to us. I was right on, good. Exactly realistic.

Yeah. We're not going to make that Alec Baldwin was sick again. No, not this time. So I thought his character was going to be a little more. Yeah, I did think he was going to be a part of the family. So I was glad that that didn't happen. But when he had that AR and everything, I was hoping that he was going to use it. He had it for a second, but then he got fucked up.

Well, see, and I love that she went back and got it. Yeah. But then I guess didn't know how to load it or something. which which is believable yeah it is yeah she didn't know and Sally the Sally character the reason why I like what they did here because that would have been just typical if she would have just came and Laurie strode the whole fucking movie and just rampage and kicked the ass I like that they gave her a little bit of backstory that she became a ranger marshal whatever and she was gearing up

And then when she finally confronted him, I love that scene when she was like, you remember me? And then he looks at her and he fucking walks away because to him, she was just another victim. And this whole life, her whole life was building up to this moment. And it fucking kind of meant nothing because he has no fucking clue on who you are. She was like, I'm the one that got away. And he just gets up and walks off. Oh, yeah. And she made a point of that.

Yeah. And you saw she just kind of stood there not doing anything because it kind of fucked her up. That she was just, they were just not her and her brother, her friends, they were just a victim. Nothing. Yeah. And then she came back to life after she'd been, yeah, I'll just buy a chainsaw. Well. Brian, Brian, did the point they were just meat, right?

Yes. When she walked in there, when it was standing there with a shotgun, but my son and I both went, shoot him because she must just stood there for like 10 minutes talking to him yeah I think she this is just my interpretation that all this time

she ran through the scenario of what she would say and do in her head I could see that yeah but kill him like a good yeah it wouldn't be a movie then if she just came blasted him in the legs and then gave that's what we would

did, but the movie would have ended super quickly. This is for Franklin. Yeah. All right. Well, we had our first really divisive movie the year, guys. Feels good. I love it. The awesome thing in this... This is what I live for. The awesomest thing

I thought in this film was John Lerickette came back to narrate the beginning. Yeah. Two joints. Yeah. That did not for two joints. Yeah. I got a pound for this one.

I thought that was cool. Allegedly. Okay. Well, they're in Texas, so it's still very much illegal. Still? We've got some kind of medical shit going on, but it's not. Nah, that's fucking, not THC,

though. That's the other. What do you call it? You can run around with all the guns in the world, you can't have weed down there? It's not necessarily, they won't throw you in jail for it or anything. I think it's decriminalized. We're like backwards here. It is in Austin.

We can have all the weed we want. We just can't walk around with guns. Yeah. Come to, well, we have guns up here. So come to Alaska if you want to keep it green and carry guns. There you go.

Oh, damn. Best of both worlds. There you go. Responsibly, legally. I had a customer, guys, that just gave me a fucking dirty hair gun. There you go.

Oh, nice. I'm not joking. 45 Magnum, huh? 44. Yeah. It's... Or anybody in punk? Not yet.

I just found ammo for it. It's like a dollar and a half a piece. For one? For one round, huh? Oh, man. Just carry with you everywhere you go. Yeah, I don't know. It's not real easy to carry.

It's a giant muscle. You got to get one of the big ass, like, holsters. Yeah. Like an old Western one that, like, hangs down. See if somebody feels lucky. well do you punk you need the um

the 44 auto mag the one he had in sudden impact yes um do you guys walk around with guns uh not normally

oh man come on you're supposed to I would shit I know it depends every once in a while I carried with me in my car I keep mine in the safe if I can have mine on me

all the time hell yeah I would Nez I keep mine in the safe because I have grandkids here all the time. No, I'm just saying, if you're out walking around, mine would be right with me. Would it? Yeah, yeah. Not that one.

That's a giant motherfucker. It's not really easy to conceal. When you run out of six shots, you can just beat them with it. Yeah, pretty much. All right. The other kill I liked in this was when they were on the bus, when everyone just didn't know how to push. push the emergency exits on the windows.

I know, so fucking stupid. He's like, cutting people's legs off and throwing them. That shit was great. Brian, you got all the people running toward the back of the bus. Has anybody in this group ever ridden a school bus before? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You do know that there's a door in the back, right?

That's good one. I assume there wasn't one there, but there was an emergency hat because those sisters climbed out of the top. It's a party bus. I don't remember. The party buses I've been on, I don't think there is a thing in the back. I think it's just a wall. Like even just a regular, like a Greyhound bus, no, it's just a wall.

Just a ceiling exit in the bathroom, huh? Yeah. The best kill on the bus was when the one black girl, when she flipped out and she tried to run. And he just, she like got the window open. And she was about to dive out. And he went, eh, just cut her. half and the top half just fell out of the bus.

That felt predictable though, man. I saw that coming. I thought she was going to live longer. Of course, man. You knew all of that was coming, but it was awesome. Because even when the bus driver, he was the first one to get, he got his head cut off. And then he threw it in the bus. And then it just went... Well, they didn't exactly play this smart.

I don't have been the first one out that window. Boom! And dove out. They all got what they deserve. Hey, what do we got? We got two eights, a six and a half and a two. Is that right? Yeah. Okay.

Well, let 2020 begin. Brian, what are we doing next week, man? Hold on, man. I got a little more. The other awesome kill was when Melody got it. Dude, I got to run. When Melody got it at the end, she got her head cut off. Yeah, I was waiting for that.

I was like, how are you going to have such a big car? I got a big, and she's not dead. And then they killed her, and I was like, all right. Right. At least we got that in. And we didn't even talk about the end credit scene, the very end, after all the credits. Yeah, but there wasn't much to that. What was he doing? Just going back to the original house? He went back to the original house, which I'm surprised is still there.

So they're hoping to have a sequel is what you're saying, right? You'll find out that this was one of the most viewed movies on Netflix. Legendary was behind this. Legendary pictures. so they had a big budget behind this film and so I assume there's going to be another one will we be here watching it

of course we will and you know Netflix Netflix is buying up anything so they hiked up the price you mean we're Brian what you meant to say was we're buying up everything by paying for fucking Netflix well yeah yeah real quick did you guys get an email that they're the Amazon Prime

yes uh huh Amazon Prime's going up like two bucks. They hiked it up. Well, you know what? Who's made more money in the pandemic than Amazon and they're going to help the price? But truthfully, Amazon's probably worth it just because of the shipping. Yeah.

Well, that's the point. What are you going to do? Cancel it? Yeah. No. I mean, I've been putting Amazon to work this whole. Yeah, we have two, right, Philip? So, I mean, it's paying for itself.

So I'm fine. I'm fine with it. All right. Brian, can you do the outro tonight? Sure. I got it in front of me. I'm still sore about this movie, so maybe if I go watch it again, I'll like it more, you know? All right.

Go watch fucking Pet Cemetery some fucking bullshit. You know what, I might. I very well might as soon as we finish recording. I'm always garbage. She'll watch the taste of this movie out of my mouth. This was way better than Pet Tempty. cemetery. Oh, gosh, that garbage. Okay, I'm going to do

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