The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #302: March Madness - Greatest Exploitation Film Of All Time!

Episode Date: March 7, 2022

This week, we pull out all the stops to determine the greatest exploitation film of them all. As always, we have a wealth of celebrity guests. We are joined by two amazing podcasters with years of experience who are developing a brand new mystery podcast network you do not want to miss - it's Garrett Collins and Matthew Goudreau. Of course, we have to have our man Pedro Nunez from Kayfabulous Lucha Bros. And for the first time on THR, Derek Bourgeois from the Dark Discussions Network joins in. Another first time guest is Gary Hill from Cinema Beef and Untapped Gems. And last but not least the "Don" himself - Don Anelli, from Fresh Cuts and Horror Countdown rounds out the all star cast. Thanks for listening! www.thehorrorreturns.com Patreon https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns Facebook https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246/ Twitter https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21 Instagram https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?utm_medium=copy_link SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c416/ E Society https://anchor.fm/esoc E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Bruce Campbell, and you are listening to The Horror Returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify, go, welcome. You have found a place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new,

the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back one and all to the horror returns. I'm Lance and with me as always, my co-host, Brian and Philip. And tonight we have that very special once-a-year event, March Madness. Joining us tonight is our annual panel of celebrity guests.

Now, it might be a little different tonight because we have an even number of folks participating. So we may have to jump into a tiebreaker or aggressively try to get both of change. But we'll make this thing work. So first of all, we've got a guy who needs no introduction, the Don himself. the man it's don and ellie here to make us an offer we can't refuse so i'm going to point out

fresh cuts and horror countdown what else do you have coming up man i have a couple of uh side shows um related to various other various other topics um i do normal room in hell presents creature comforts and i have another show called underwater kaiju from outer space. Great title. All right. And then from Cinema Beef podcast and the brand new

Untapped Jams with somebody we know very well, Heather Powell. Joining us for the first time ever is Gary Hill. Gary, thanks for coming, man. What else do you have going on? Dan, glad to be here. Yeah, I do many things.

That's the problem with being a podcast or being a creative is having many ideas. and, you know, put in down other shows under music or whatever, Spotify, I Heart, I Heart Radio and stuff. So the Butcher Shop banner, the ones,

the one you mentioned, Cynob Beef, a Freddy's Nightmare show called Burning for Springwood we do. I do with Mike Merriman and my friend Suzanne. Last Call of Torchies, which is a Walter Hill podcast, all about his films, and a commentary show. We don't talk much about the movie, but, you know, we have fun.

talking shit through it. So there you go. Oh, yeah. Those commentary shows are always a blast, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Not a lot of work, just, you know, hang it out, you know. All right. And we've got another first-time guest. Derek, man, I'm going to butcher your last name. Is it bourgeoisie or? Help me out here.

It's bourgeois. Bourgeois. All right. Well, look, I found your YouTube channel, but you schooled me a little. a little bit before we started recording. You've got several podcasts going on. No More Room in Hell. What else? My main show was Sinmar Attack.

No More Room in Hell, like you said. I also do a little sidecast there here, which is pretty fun. It's on the Cut to the Chase Network. I also have a... I'm also recorded with Don on Creature Comforts. That's actually the show of me and Don do together, and I'm also on underwater kajure from Outer. space with Don

and also I am I do actually show with Gary on the Legion Patreon Blood from the Corps which is a Patreon exclusive for the Legion Patreon but that's about it well that's a lot

we can barely keep up with the shows we're doing but we've got what we got a dude here that if you listen to the show before you're going to know him for sure our very first guest ever Pedro Pedro Nunes from K Fabulous Lucha Brothers.

What's up, man? What's going on? This is my, what is it? Fourth year in a row doing these, and they're always a blast. So I'm ready for another round here. Nice. What was it? Last year we did worst B movie, right?

Which was, I think, Trout two. No, that wasn't Trout two. It was... Birdemic. The Burdemic. That took it all the way. Yes, definitely. Yeah.

I'm very excited to be back and have fun with these guys for a couple hours. Maybe more than a couple hours, because we're all very long-winded here. So get ready. Very nice. If you have a long car ride, this is the show for you here tonight. Nice. A long hard drive. I said car drive.

Okay. I started drinking already, by the way. So I was getting ready. That's what I do. I just drink and talk. So we'll see. All right. Well, and here's what I'm excited about.

We've got a couple of guys that you probably know well, too, from many things that they've done together. but we've got two great guys that have kind of joined us at the last minute. We got Garrett Collins, the Poon Slayer himself, as he likes to go by. And I don't think everybody else does. And Matthew Gudrow, what's up with you guys? Oh, Matt, you want to go first? No, I usually defer to you. You don't know this stick by now.

It's been 10 years of this. It's been good, man. We are no longer with binge media. we are going off, we're doing our own thing. It's going to be, we're not going to unveil any names yet, but it's, we are meeting with people to design it. And we're going to unveil probably by the end of the month. We're already recording. We are reinvigorated by our recordings.

And like I said, it's going to be a little different. It's not just going to be movies. We're going to do different things. We're going to do maybe some, like, say, like WrestleMania is in the order or TV shows, retrospectives. We're going to do a whole bunch of different little things. So we're very, very excited about what we have coming up. You know, J.C., I was going to say, so I heard that Cody wrote is a big fan of your podcast, and he heard that you guys left binge. So he was like, fuck it. I'm leaving AW. I'm going back to the big. So you guys inspired him. Good for you. He's a bad. That's good to hear. I'm sure he doesn't have too much else going on. So that makes me happy that he's actually doing something. But no, we're really excited about a new format. We're still going to keep the old one, but there's going to be.

just different things added to it. So that's what we have coming up. And, you know, like I said, we've been recording our first retrospective with that new site. And it's been it's been reinvigorated. Like we're not, you know, feeling like we're going through the motions anymore. We're doing our own thing and it feels great. Very nice.

And again, we get into the wrestling returns as always, right, Brian? Absolutely. Happens every time. All right. Well, let's get into it. So here's how this thing works. We're going to start out with 30, actually 33 contestants. because we're going to have one play end game.

But we're looking for the greatest exploitation film of all time. These were randomly picked by you guys and distributed into a field bracket. In tournament fashion, we're going to work our way forward until we end up with a final battle and a single champion. Our five guests, or actually six guests, this is going to get interesting, we'll each give their best argument in each round

as to why the chosen final deserves to move. forward at the end we'll have our champion it's that simple so uh we're to start out with uh as usual uh philip's gonna get it started with the left side of the bracket starting with the play in game all right guys the uh play philip yeah let me say one thing because i i knew this was going to happen what's so so when lance hit me up to do this this show he's like hey we're gonna do the best exploitation film ever right okay find that's cool and then i thought to myself wait a it. That could mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. And I go, Lance, that's a little vague. And he's like, no, do whatever you want. I'm go, okay,

okay, that's fine. And then I started to think about it. I'm like, well, if somebody picks like Evil Dead 2 or something, there's no way that movie's going to lose anything. So I'm thinking there's a little bit of an advantage there, you know, when you have that kind of popularity, and then I go, Lance, are you sure there's no perimeter here? It's like, no, it doesn't even have to be horror, whatever you want. wide open. So it's like if the old snobby patrol comes to play here later on tonight, I'm

going to defer to Lance because he's the one that just laid on the groundwork. Oh, don't worry. I'm going to question a bunch of your choices tonight. Don't worry about it. I'm here to call out a bunch of you out. I'm going to be here to call out a bunch of you for making idiotic choices. So that's the deal.

So I was like, you know what? This fucking tournament is going to turn to a big old cluster muck. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to drink and just chill out with the guys and have a good time talking about great movies. I don't give a fucking at this point, because this is,

at the end of the day, we all went because we're going to talk about some great fucking films here tonight. He said great. Great films is kind of a stretch. Great films is kind of a stretch. Fun films all have no, fun films I have no question about,

but great, that's kind of a stretch. Well, I always feel like even the worst movie is someone's favorite movie of all time, so, you know. That doesn't mean anything.

There's still objective quality. that have to be met. All right. You can enjoy a film for all you want, but if you're going to defend Birdemic as a great film, I've got serious trust issues. Well, Burdemic is not on this one.

There's stress issues to be had. I mean, I'm not going to deny you for enjoying a film and saying it's subjectively a fun film, but calling it objectively a good film is a different matter. I agree with you. I've gone on this very show

and cut, to use a wrestling term, promos on many people for just saying, oh, it's just turn off your brain. It was a great movie. Trust me, it's on record on this very show. I agree with you completely, definitely. And I've got on record as saying Shark Nato's better than Godfather, so I know a thing or two about good first.

Oh, wow, wow, wow. Wait a minute. Wow. That may change our voting situation. Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen here tonight. All right. Well, let's start with our first round. You guys are going to find out the movies kind of one by one.

and argue about them on monster selves. We're going to start with Don't Panic and Next of Kinn. Patrick Swayze, baby. Wait, what year was this one? 1987, I believe. God damn it, Lance. You never put the fucking year down.

I thought you were talking about the Osploitation film from 82. Yeah, me too. Yeah, same here. Yeah. Not the Patrick Swatwicky one, right? okay who picked it and then we'll determine which oh we're talking about my bad maybe i'm looking up wrong i pick i pick next again i pick next again right that's the one i watch both just in

case so tables was the better one we're all done with this okay i thought it was the patrick suazy exploitation guys did your damn homework all right whichever one of those you want um all right garrett you want to start us off oh me Garrett yeah you want to start us off and let us know which one of those two wins. Yeah, and why? Oh my God. I'll be honest. I haven't seen either. Yeah. I haven't seen either of those. I've seen the majority of these. I'll be honest. I've seen probably about 65 percent, but these two I have not. Dude, I haven't even heard of a couple of them, so you guys are head up on me. All right. Well, we'll wait and come back to you, and then you can pick which name you like best. Okay. All right. Go to Matt. Matt.

seeing like all of these almost. He's just going to pick the one I pick. He's going to pick the one I don't pick. All right, Pat, well, what's your pick? All right. Well, regardless of which next to kin we're going with, I'm picking that because the 82 one, it's just funny talking about exploitation,

considering Garrett and I's track record of quote-unquote quality cinema. But he also knows I love my trash. and I call Next of Ken elevated trash because rather than doing the trying to do the tropes of American films because Next to Ken's Australian, they went with the European flavor so it's more like Argento and Mario Bava inspired.

And that always tickles my fancy, so that's what I'm going with. Okay. Next of Ken wins that one. Pedro, what about you? Well, I chose Don't Panic, so I'm going to go with Don't Panic. You know, it's a part of the recently discovered for a lot of people like

maxploitation cinema with like Roberto Galindo the director, he did a few of them and I think Vinegar Syndrome got a bunch of rights to those films so they've been putting them out and it's just like a wacky kind of like Nightmare and Alm Street ripoff in a lot of ways where you have like the 30 year olds playing like teenagers and so it's it's a fun time

I mean next I love Next of Ken I think it's actually very original and it's working with a lot of tropes that are like Matthew were saying, it's not, we didn't see that in the American movie. But I'm going to go with Don't Panic. All right. Don't panic for Pedro. Don, what does the Don say? I say next of kin because that's an exploitation film and don't panic isn't. Fair enough.

On a technicality. Derek, what do you think? I do enjoy Don't Panic a lot. I actually just watched that recently a few months back. And it's pretty funny. I even love the fucking cheesy fucking theme song it has to the movie. Don't panic. That's actually sung by the lead actor.

But Next to King is like my jam. It's everything that I look forward in the Ozploitation film where, you know, it mixes. Because it's actually directed by a Kiwi director and stuff. And, you know, you get like a young Mick Taylor, John Jared in the movie, which is cool for fans of like Wolf Creek and stuff. And, you know, it's like Susparia, but it was in Australia. It's fucking nuts. And the score by Tangerine Dreams, Klaus Bedet's amazing.

It's so like goblinesque in its style. And I just love that final shot at the end of the movie, which, you know, she's driving away on the highway and there's this giant explosion. I did research on the movie because I actually did another show on this. movie. That was all, that explosion was not supposed to happen. It just happened out of nowhere. And it's like, wow, that's crazy that they caught that on film and they put it in the movie. You know, it's like situations like that that make a perfect scene even more better in that sense. So I'm going with Next A Ken on this one.

Okay, fair enough. Next of Ken. Gary. It's funny that, I'm sorry, it's funny. Derek mentions Susperia. The part of the spiria at the end where she's

walking through and all the glass is exploding. The reason why she laughs is because that glass could hit her in the face at any time.

She's just to fucking have she survived. But if I pick one of these, yeah, yeah, it's funny.

You were to talk about on stage one time. I pick next to kin just, just, not by default, but like Dan says,

hey, that's an exploitation. I'll take a If it's your cup of tea, it's your cup of tea. Mm-hmm. Yeah, next to kin. Let's go for that. Next to Ken.

All right, then. Garrett, we don't need your vote anyway. Next if Ken wins it. All right. So we'll move on with that. And that was our opening round. But now, Next of Ken has to go up against Hobo with a shotgun. That one I've seen.

I think that counts as exploitation. Yeah, I've seen that one, too. All right. Don, what do you think about that one? Does that win on the technicality? No, these are both exploitation films, and I'm going with Hobo. Rector Howard actually putting in a performance, sleaze out the wazoo. You can't beat him just blasting assholes with a shotgun.

Hobo for me. Hobo with the shotgun. Pedro. I'm going to go with next of kin. Next of kin. For all the aforementioned reasons, yes. All right. You voted against it, and now you wrote in port.

That's right. Revenge. Garrett, how about on this one? You've seen Hobo with a shotgun? I've seen hobo, and I haven't seen Next to Kim, but I'll go next of kin just because I don't like hobo. Oh, okay. All right now.

The D.C. is coming out right now. love it. I didn't even took it. That works. Matthew. I'm going next to kin because Hobo with a shotgun breaks the Cardinal B-movie principle. If you set up to make

parody trash, you just end up with trash. So I'm going to next to kin. Ooh. So, okay, so I'm going to piggyback on that because I want to ask Don, because he's the one with the expectation buzzer tonight, right? Is it on? Okay.

Yeah. So before we get going too far here, really quick, what classifies an exploitation film for you? Because I imagine the buzzer is going to go on left and right, and I want to have characterization on what's going on here. Because this one was made well into like the 2000, so 2011, I think. So what's going on? Tell us your guidelines here. So for me, I choose theme, content, and overall execution.

So I'm not too concerned about how high-end it is. I'm not too concerned about, you know, how much money was put into it. I go more by the theme, the content, and the execution. So the theme has to be grimy, sleazy, or overall completely non-mainstream. So I don't mean, you know, like, you know, a ghost movie or any, you know, kind of just like, you know, random slasher film, you know, something that you're not necessarily going to get like a big mainstream studio behind it has to be like a very grimy sleazy atmosphere you know you gotta have you know like a bunch of like depraved activity or you know generally something like you know rapes or murders or you know beatings catfights uh you know various unconventional stuff going on and it has to wallow and revel in what's going on and it has to wallow and revel in what's going on. It has to be presented as the main selling point behind what's going on in the film. So as a toxic Avenger, an exploitation film?

I haven't seen that, so I can't say. Wait a minute. I'm not very familiar with trauma. Trauma for me is a blind spot. I got her feelings from that down to tell you right now. We're bringing up, Dawn. You know this, right? Troma for me is a blind spot just because 99% of what I used to watch was cable TV.

Very, very few films that were not shown on broadcast TV or stuff that I've seen. So trauma for me is a blind spot. I've probably seen... Damn, I should have picked Tromio and Juliet now. Fuck. Yeah, I can actually count the films on one hand. Class of Nukem High, blades, poultry geist. and

what's the other one? Terror Firmer that's my trauma list. I were going to say Sergeant Kabuki Man or something. No, those are the those are the those that's my trauma list. I never went on an escalator ever again after

TerraFirmer. No, yeah, because yeah, because Hobo with a shotgun, it is a parody and I know it was made during that whole grind house, the Tarantino Rod Rodriguez thing. And what Matt was saying is right, it's like some of these films, they try to sleazy them up. It's almost like, and you could tell, like, the heart is not there because it's not organic.

It's not authentic. That's part of the, yeah, that's part of the content. That's the tone thing that I was going on about. Okay. Well, don't panic has a 30-year-old guy running around in pajamas with dinosaurs throughout. I think the concept qualified as very disturbing and very exploitive. So I think it is an expectation film. Yeah, but it's also a nightmare, but it's also a mainstream nightmare in Elm Street ripoff from another country.

Yeah, how about ripoffs count as an exploitation? Italians did a bunch of ripoffs. Hmm. Yeah, I think the notion of ripoffs is the heart of exploitation because they were literally exploiting the biggest trends and the biggest genres at the time that they were made. Because I think, I consider Bruno McKay. But here's the thing. But here's the thing. Here's the thing.

we're confusing exploitative with exploitation. There's a difference. It's exploitative to rip off films, but it's not exploitation if the content isn't there. Tell that the steam thrower then. He wrote a whole book about this. I'm writing this down. That's all I'm saying.

I'm writing it down. I need this bylaws here to go into effect soon. All right, so I'm going with Next to Kinn. Who's next? Thank you, Don. That was a good answer. Derek is up. Next of Ken or Hobo with a shotgun?

I'm actually a fan of Hobo, you know, but it is more of like a love letter to like the exploitation films. So if I'm going to go with like a pure exploitation film, I have to go with next to Ken. All right. Next of Ken. That's two technicalities for that movie. Gary, what do you think? I would prefer to hobo with a lawnmower. had been more amazing than

a little bit you know because that's what he really wanted to begin with but um yeah the villains are absurd the deaths are absurd I think it's all there I need there's more meat on these bones than there isn't the the Tarantino grindhouse film

I'm not a huge fan of the slow burn but that's that's more personal choice but I'm going to go with hobo based on personal opinion on this one hobo Hobo won. Well, Hobo doesn't win it. Don't panic. My bad. Next of kin comes out on top.

Fair enough. All right. So what was the score? It was one, two, three, four to two. Wow. Okay. All right. Okay. So we'll move down to Simon King of the Witches, movie I've never heard of. And the big doll house. Oh, all right. Let's see. Gary, you want to start us off?

Sure. This is a hard choice because I've seen this is going against the Big Dalhouse. I love both of these things for a lot of reasons. But I'm going to go my choice on this one because just based on Andrew Pryan's performance alone. I mean, the plot is has a lot of holes in and realize that. He's looking to find his magic, so he finds it. And it's this red circle glowing thing that's killing people.

I just think he's charismatic as hell, and it sells the movie for me. And I could take that over the big, big, big, Delhouse. I don't know why, but I pick my choice. So Simon King of the Witches? Yes. Okay. That's one for Simon. Simon, King of the Witches, number one for that one.

All right. Pedro, what do you think? I'm going to go with the big dollhouse. I mean, you got Jack Hill directing. You got Pam Greer. You got Sid Hague in there. And it's a woman in Cage movie, which was kind of the rage during the early 70s. It's just a good time. And I've always liked this film.

So I'm going to go with the big dollhouse. Big old dollhouse for Pedro. All right. I'm just chuckling because I could tell that Lance is still kind of bewildered. Simon the King of the Witches title. I hear little chuckles in the background there, and I know that's the reason why. All right. Matthew, Simon King of the Witches or the Big Doll House?

Big Doll House in a landslide for me, and I say that as a gay man, with the amount of female nudity that's in this movie. Well, that helps. uh don yeah this one was closer than i thought but um man it's hard to go against my girl pam i'm going dollhouse dollhouse nice all right yeah uh derrick Pam graham mud fighting all the way jack hill man big dollhouse man i love simon king of the witch is it's a great pick but yeah i was actually kind of surprised that this one was actually better and I thought because this was the first time watch for me. So, yeah, I was actually kind of surprised that it was better than I thought it was.

I really agree with a lot of what Gary said. You know, he's really, you know, he's pretty cool. And I really got to enjoy what he does. But yeah, it's just hard to go against Pam, you know, fighting in a mud bath. Yeah, you know, it hurt my feelings at all because it was a hard choice to me too. It'll hurt on me in other areas, but I understand. Yeah, there's that. If it was Andrew Prime in The Evil

It was magnificent pants in that movie I'd probably have to vote for that movie, yes Yeah Okay Simon King of the Witches is on tubing, man So I'm putting it on my list Uh Garrett, your vote doesn't matter

But what do you think? That seems to be my M.O. Yeah, I watched Simon King of the Witches this week And I did see Dollhouse When we were doing a Quentin Terenet in retrospect up a few years ago So I have seen both of these films I'm going dollhouse just because of the

As everybody said Pam Greer is just this was her era And she this this movie is just so ridiculous and so fun So dollhouse for me as well And if Pam Greer's in it it's definitely an exploitation movie Exactly All right Almost a clean sweep Let's see if we can do that for the next one we've got

From Dust Till Dawn And we're going to got a buzzer here. And maniac. This is a hard one. This is a really hard one. It actually really is. Don, why'd you go first on this one?

So this one's a tough one. And the thing is, I think Dust Hold On is the better movie. But in terms of a grindout, in terms of an exploitation film, I think Maniac is better at it. So I'm going maniac. even though I'm going to say this I prefer Desteldon as a movie

I think it's better in almost every regards but I think as an exploitation film I think Maniac is a better one Yeah because it has a great line What does it say George Clooney is like Is that fucking cycles to you

Cycles don't blow the fuck up no matter how fucking crazy they are I always fucking crack up when he says that line Yeah Because she's man is like, what the hell, were they cycles, man? Like, he sees all this shit going on. He's like, were they cycles?

I know, that was great. Delivery is awesome in that movie. Yeah. Garrett, let's make your vote count on this one. That's about time. You know, both of these I've obviously seen. A maniac is just, what a crazy fucking little film that thing is. It's just, it's one of those movies that, to me,

a good exploitation film is literally like, it doesn't feel like it's being filmed. It feels like you're watching something that you just shouldn't be watching. And we're seeing this dude just go absolutely bonkers killing these chicks. And it is just, it's out of control. From Nestle Dawn's out of control. But I think Matt kind of hit it for me when he said that, you know, like, it's more of a tribute to exploitation than an actual exploitation film in my eyes. So I'll go maniac with this just because of how grindy and just out of control that movie is.

Maniac. All right. There's another one. Pedro, what do you think? Well, I chose from Dust to Dom, but fuck, Maynick is such a great movie. And Joe Spineau, I mean, he does such a great job in this film. And shit, I almost want to go against my own pick here. I mean, part of me wishes it was the Frodo Biggins fucking remake,

whatever that was a Maynack from 2012 or whatever, which was also a good movie, by the way. I like that movie as well. It's got a great little score. but um you know fuck it i'm gonna go with maniac because fucking lans who did the fucking brackets on this thing man come on it was random boy i thought i thought from dust till dawn was gonna make it we'll see uh see if we go it's almost a clean sweep so far um matthew i cannot in good conscience vote from from dust till dawn for two reasons one tarentino has a larger role than he should and number two it was made for

$15 million and backed by the Weinsteins. So to me, that disqualifies it as exploitation. It's based on principle. Yeah, it's a good argument. That's fair. Understandable. Gary. Well, it was written and directed by guys who like this kind of thing.

And from Dustal Don, that is. And there's certain parts of the very exploitation, you know, the part where, especially right before Fred gets it, which is his contract. Fred's not supposed to die. Fred dies in this movie. Fred Williams in the Hammer, that is. Talk about pulling little yellow chunks of flesh off by night. You know, stuff like that.

I was a lot. Oh, gosh. Maniac has to win, though. Joe Spinell is just so fucking intense, and without his performance, there isn't a movie, whereas it takes a lot of folks to make from Dust Till Done. and Maniac is much more exploitation

than just to Dawn is although I love both things where those few films I saw my father in the movie theater was from Dustal Dawn so there's that Hmm So you pick Maniac? I pick Maniac yes

Okay And Maniac also has one of the coolest movie posters In the history of movie posters too as well So it is pretty cool Top five for me, yeah definitely Derek is it gonna be a clean suite Maniac, man There it is

Yeah, I love Maniac with a passion It's just so heartfelt with the You know, the music for the movie Is kind of sad Because, you know, when you hear that main theme It has like this heroin sadness to it Which makes you feel for the character

Even though he's killing, he's doing terrible things So his psyche's all fucked up And you see, maybe he could try to be normal if he did end up with a relationship of Carolyn Monroe's character, you know, if it went that way. But it doesn't, of course,

because he can't stop killing. And, you know, there's some great trend. It's just, Joe Spinell is like one of those actors that defines, like, if exploitation is a dictionary, it should have Joe Spinell's face there. This oozing with sweat and grossness. You know, it's fucking

great. All right. Maniac wins it. first clean sweep right first clean sweep of the day and beating out from dust till dawn man i kind of didn't expect that all right uh dead end drive in and oh god night of the demons i like that movie uh let's see derrick you want to start us off yeah for more expletit you know oz platation was always my jam so i had to go dead end driving i love that Brian Trench Art Smith actually was kind of trying to say something with this movie during the time period of 86.

With like, you know, movies, theaters in general and making like, it's kind of like its own like little prison film set in this drive-in. It's kind of fucking nuts how this film progresses and the character's involved. And, you know, the main character just wants to get the fuck out of here. where his girlfriend kind of when she gets more developed into the society sees that she wants to stay there

it's kind of interest in that aspect and then there's a whole like seeing where the Koreans end up coming to camp it shows like the racism that was going on during the time in Australia at the time so he was trying to say something and it's so cool that

you know Brian Trenchard Smith fucking put his own movie in the theater like you know when things, go see turkey shoot it was so hard because I almost went with turkey shoot but I think this is more progressive because it's exploitation but it's

also 80s is all hell and I love the soundtrack like when he just fucking that escape scene at the end and you just hear that song wheels on fire I'm just fucking like I was in you know it's just a ride this movie and you know it's actually very nostalgic

for me this movie because this is actually one of the first movies I ever podcasted on was Dead End Driving, so it has a special place to my heart. But, you know, and Night for the Demons I love, it's actually one of my favorite horror movies ever. But I feel like Dead End Driving works better as an exploitation film. Fair enough. All right.

Gary, what do you think? Pretty much voicing what Derek said about the whole Brian Trinchard Smith thing, trying to taste something with the movie. It being just this weird thing where you can get stuck in a drive-in because you're undesirable. Because he's want to keep you in there. And police are shitty in this movie and just taking the man's wheels, literally. None of the demons, I prefer the second one because the second one doesn't have the plot fall out of his ass and the third act. Yeah, Gary, ironically directed by Brian Trenchard Smith.

There you go. Oh, exactly. We've got some synchronicity working here. I love the idea. I love Amelia. Not so much to bed back into that movie. Dead end driving wins for me. Dead end driving. Nice. All right. That's two nothing so far.

Don, what do we got? Dead end of driving is exploitation. Neither the demons isn't. There's a buzzer. We got the buzzer. I figured that was coming. Pedro. I'm a big fan of Brian Trencher's myth. I think he's very underrated.

I mean, I mean, for as far as this kind of like budget filmmaking, I mean, you know. Yeah, he did do the sequel to Nile Demons, and he did what, he did Leopardone 3 and four, I think. Yeah, he did. And a lot of people consider Leprocon 3 the best one of the bunch, which is. I'm one of those people for the record. Yeah.

Back to the hood, people. Back to the hood. I talked actually, you actually wished me happy birthday last year. Yeah, I like listening to his commentaries because he's got like a very like soothing voice and stuff. So, um, but neither the demons is just a great time. That's Kevin Tinney and, and he, it's just one of those movies that you could throw on once a year and just, you always get a kick out of it. And it has like, to me, there's like some legit scares in that movie, even though it's a little more wackier than, than scary. And it's just, um, it's just one of those movies that just resonates with me as far as being a good time and, you know, you know,

You know, thanks to Lance's lack of boundaries in this fucking tournament, I went with this one as well. So I'm going to choose Night of the Demons for this one. Even though I love Dead and Driving. All right, Night of the Demons. Dead End Driving continue the tradition of the old VHS, what I like to call rent baits, where they would throw on something on the cover that was nowhere near the movie. And that dude on the cover never comes out in the movie. But that's okay.

Yeah, the crow guy, right? That's okay because he wasn't the first or the last, you know, that company wasn't the first or the last one to do that. so that's okay. You look at that VHS tape and you think it's like a rejected Halloween Havoc pay-per-view that Sting has just like makeup that he never wore ever again. Sting and Dead End driving. Coming from the Rafters. Make a cool poster and then get a movie from that.

Might have made the movie enjoyable. All right. Now we have a fight. Matthew, what is it? Dead End driving or Night of the Demons? I think I'm going to lean towards dead end driving because in my own sort of head canon, I put this in the Mad Max world because the economy has collapsed. It's Australian.

Cars are a commodity. So to me, this is like kind of what I wanted from Beyond Thunderdome. So I'm going with dead end driving. All right. Dead end driving. Garrett, what do you think? Well, I've seen Night of Demons and I haven't seen Dead End driving. And Night of Demons was one I used to watch a lot when I was a kid.

It's just crazy, crazy fun. And Pedro's right. You throw this on maybe once every couple years, and you'll have a great time with it. And now, whether that classifies as an exploitation or not or just a better film, I'm not going to go there, but just out of principle,

I'll go ahead and go with Night of the Demons. All right. Well, we got Dead End Drive-in with a 42 vote. Okay. Up next, we've got Fight for Your Life, and the untold story. Oh, shit. Garrett, you want to go first on this one?

Yeah, this one I got to disqualify myself from, because I haven't seen either. Okay, me neither. Matthew? Oh, shit. I think this is the hardest one for me as far as looking at this bracket. But if you force me... I'm going to go with the untold story. It's like a 51-49% split, if you ask me.

That's pretty close. That is a very close one. Pedro? I think I'm going to go with Fight for Your Life on this one. There's some social commentary going on here. And that's one thing we haven't talked about, because I know in the previous bracket, we were talking about some social commentary. No, I think it was two brackets ago.

And that's the thing about these kind of films that, you know, for all the slack that they get, as far as being low brawere, or whatever. A lot of the times, these filmmakers and these kind of films, they were the first ones to talk about a lot of the relevant topics in our culture. And because mainstream Hollywood wasn't going to touch that, right? They were like, oh, you know, they just didn't, they're more about being, you know, welcoming everybody, the general public. But these kind of films, they were ahead of the time a lot of the times because they were tackling some taboo subjects. And so, like, that's the reason why I like this movie, because so I'm going to go with Fight for Your Life. all right one to one Don what do you think

I'm close this is a tough one um fight for your life there's a lot to like there I really enjoy what it does I like the commentary on it just at the end of the day

it just devolves into a into a home invasion film and I'm just not that sold on it on that as a genre it's like one of my least favorite yeah me too Yeah. I mean, there's just not much you can do with the genre. Either, from what I've seen, you can only do two storylines.

You have the thugs invade the home and brutalize the family until they fight back, or the thugs invade the home only to realize that the ones that they've invaded are more fucked up than they are. So you really can't do much with that. Or you could do something like martyrs, which kind of throws that out the window, like, really fast. I haven't seen murder, so I can't comment. What? But yeah, man, this is hard because I'm just dreading the Anthony Wong showdown to come, but I can't go against him.

I got to go untold story. Untold story, two to one. Awesome. Derek. Ooh, this is going to be, yeah, this is probably the hardest one for me. so far. William Sanderson and Fight for Your Life plays the most racist piece of shit ever on film. And it's sad to say this because he should have been nominated for an Oscar for this movie.

Because it's so unbelievable. And, you know, Fight for Your Life just has like this dirty, grimy look to it, especially when you watch like the Blue Underground DVD of it. because there's really no good transfers of this movie around because I think the prints lost, like the actual film print of it's lost or something like that. That's what I heard anyways.

So it's going to stay on DVD. Yeah. You know, so it's just going to be on DVD for probably the rest of its life, unfortunately. Which is sad, but, you know, it adds the flavor where it feels dirtier and grimyer with the way you're watching the movie. too. And

I don't but untold story. Untold story. You know, it's fucking, I never look at pork buns the same way again after watching that movie. And you know, you have

Danny Lee as like this weird head of the cop police that's always bringing prostitutes around and shit. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? It's just so weird and bizarre. And Anthony Wong, of course, like, amazing performance

like we'll be talking about him again later with another movie that's actually in this bracket I'm gonna go untold story on this one it's tough it's really tough it's like 50-50 with these two for me but I'm gonna go with the pork buns because that was like the whole ending's like what

you know all right untold story um Gary what do you think I want these guys with a hard choice on this one because this is really rough to pick one of these over the other one because they're so different, but they both fit in the exploitation niche very well. William Sanderson just picking at the devil from Crossroads just really irks me, but you know, it has that ending that you know what's going to happen.

The table is turned on them, and you find out a quick cut to why he doesn't like black people, you know. But you don't like anybody. He picks on his Asian friend and the Mexican friend, too. But the untold story is just two gons over for me not to pick. It's just the man can clean the body with the cleaver in about five minutes and, you know, just making those pork buns. And the end part with children is like, yeah, I'm sold all the way now with this movie.

And, yeah, the untold story over Fight for Your Life. But I recommend both of them highly. All right, the untold story comes up victorious in that one. And next round, it'll be going up either against I spit on your grave or Miss 45. Oh, geez. This is a tough one, and this is a very morbid two movies here, man. What's going on? Yeah.

You guys picked them. I picked you, too. All right. Pedro, start us off. Yeah, this is tough for me. I mean, they're both rape revenge movies. Not easy, not the easiest films to watch. Our boy, Able Ferraro makes his debut in this tournament.

That guy's wacky himself. Did you guys ever watch the Driller Killer Commentary where he gets pissed off and just walks off? And they just left him? Yeah, I did actually. Yeah, just loses his shit and walks off and that's it. He never comes back. Yeah, he's just one of the, he's kind of a wacky guy in real life. but he's a great filmmaker, as we all could pretty much agree on, I think.

Ms. 45 is a great film. I don't know who put it on here. I didn't, but it was a good choice. I think in hindsight, seeing both of these films, Ms. 45 has that kind of like more of a tragic look to it because of Zoe Lund and kind of she was kind of messed up in real life and had kind of a tragic, tragic end. But then you have I spit on your grave, which has one of the worst. I mean, worse by I mean like just brutal kills.

on screen where the guy gets his dick shopped off in the bathtub. And they made a sequel, by the way. Don't bother with that one. That one sucked. What the three hour of fucking. Yeah, that's fucking awful. And then like severing, who was it was, or was the Scorpion? One of those companies had it for like 80 bucks at one point where you get that, you know, but anyways.

So I think I'm going to go with I spit on your grave. That's the one I've seen the most. and it's it's it's it's I think it's the more popular one I you know don't quote me on that but I'm gonna go what I spent on your grave what do you guys think um all right I spent on your grave uh Gary well I picked Miss 45 and I'm I'm glad is it is going up against this movie because I watched I never watched this big grave all the way through before until this morning it I watched it at work actually uh there's a lot of filler in that movie. And what I mean by that is there's a lot of like, like them,

there's a whole scene with them joking around with each other. You really want to get to know these people? Or are you just like, hey, look at this girl. You know, she's hot, she's swimming.

Let's go do nasty stuff to her. There's about 20 minutes that could have been cut out of this movie. Miss 45 don't have that problem for me. So I got to go to Miss 45. I mean, it has, you know, she gets raped,

you know, twice in the same half afternoon, basically. Jesus. So she wants to, she wants to kill predatory men, and that's what she does through the whole fucking movie

until she goes crazy at the end. So I kill the motherfuckers at the party. You know, but, um, it's, um, it's, it's a better movie. It's, so I prefer the remake of

I Spitting a Grave one than Spity a Grave. Mm-hmm. So this is understandable. All right, Miss 45. All right. Uh,

okay. Derek, what do you think? Both these movies want me to take a shower after watching them. Because I just feel like shit after, you know, rape revenge movies are definitely not my jam. No, I watch them, but I also don't get enjoyment. I'm watching people rape women, you know, but...

Yeah. Yeah, and the rape and I spend your grave is just fucking more grueling because it goes on for like 45 minutes. That seemed like forever. Yeah, and fuck that dude with the overalls. That's the dearest motherfucker of them all because you just wear an overalls. You know, it's just fucking disturbing and all. Because I just actually watched this recently too, like fucking, oh, Miss 45 is the more polished Ferreira does gray with like the sedans of New York and stuff like that, which he usually does in a lot of his New York sudden movies.

It looks amazing. And, yeah, you know, I was actually the main actress there. What's her name again? Zoe Lund? Well, she's not like different names, but she was known as Zoe Lund, Zoe Tamaris or something like that. So, yeah. Yeah, the only other movie I actually ever seen here is Larry Cohen's special effects. And, yeah, I was sad to, like, when I was reading about her, like, you know, she died, Riong and stuff.

she's fantastic as like this silent girl who goes on this kill and spree and revenge on predatory men this is like the female version of Death Witch because it's kind of very similar because she doesn't actually get revenge on the people that actually raped her

she just kills randomly you know in that sense where like Charles Rosson doesn't actually get revenge on the people that killed his wife and daughter on Jeff Goldblum you're trying to say yeah he doesn't kill Goldblum. That's why where's that crown

hat? He's the king of Bronson's world, baby, you know. But yeah, yeah, this is tough. This is tough. For the more exploitation side and, you know, just the class, the movie

that makes me, I'm going to just pick the movie that makes me feel dirtier. And that's ice in your grave. Because of the guy with the overalls. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I bet he smells. fantastic. Don.

What do you think? Man, this is a tough one. I will agree. I do think Ms. 45 is a better film. The way it tackles the material is a lot more poetic, and it has a far greater touch of class to it than it really should based on the material at hand. But I think in terms of what this competition is about, I think that actually works

against it. I think the way that I spit on your grave handles it and it's grimier, sleazier, and just depraved way that it goes about her rampage, I think that works in its favor. Yeah, this is a tough one, but I'm going to have to go with I spit on your grave for this. All right, I spit on your grave. This is going to be, come on. Matthew. So this is one where I have to go with my

critical brain versus my more exploitation brain, and I have to use the argument that was just laid out so perfectly. I think Ms. 45 is more accomplished, especially technically, because Ferrara is one of our great unsung underground filmmakers,

and it's surprisingly classier than you had expected to be for a movie that's got all the hallmarks of revenge exploitation. You know, it's got rape, revenge. There's a pimp in it. There's quite a few prostitutes. There's a big massacre at the end. I think someone's head gets cut off towards the climax, among other things.

But I think I spit on your grave is more kind of unapologetic. You know, it's not trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. So I think, even though I like Ms. 45 more, I spit on your grave is closer to what I think of with exploitation. All right, Garrett. What do you think? Well, I'm a big able for a fan myself. And this was one of those first filmmakers where I was like, when I was working at a video store, I was like, hmm, here's a guy who nobody but me really knows about. You know, so I would go pick up all this stuff.

And this was one of those films I picked up was Ms. 45 because I was going through his whole resume. And it was just, it was so unapologetic. And I think that's the thing about these two films is that they're both so unapologetic. But I'll go with the argument that my partner. And it has also been laid out by other people. I think this I Spin' Your Grave is the more exploitative film in this group. And it's more unapologetic about what it's trying to accomplish. And I mean, these are both tough, tough films to watch, man.

So I think exploitation is more like it shouldn't be that tough. Like they're just stupid, grimy films. But if we're going off to straight exploitation, rules. I'll go as I spit on your grave as well. All right. It would have been my choice as well. I spit on your grave wins. You can't hang a man with a close line, as I'll say. You can't do it, okay?

It's okay. John? All right. Next one is going to be coffee and symptoms. Oh, boy. Oh, man. Man, I can't wait to see how this one turns out. I don't even know what these are. All right.

You're on the movie, man. I know you've probably seen them. Which one do you pick? Me? Yeah. I can't go against my girl, Pam. Coffee for me, even though it's not really much of a contest because I didn't really like symptoms that much anyway.

Oh, Pam Greer. Okay, I know that. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Derek, what do you think? I pick symptoms It was

It was tough for me Because I was just thinking of another movie to actually pick And you know I was going with my boy Jose Ramon Rolla Roz And the thing I like about symptoms is The tranquility of like You know it's a crazy lady in a house movie And you know

The thing that Interesting me about it is Fucking Donald Pleasant's daughter Plains's daughter plays like this fucking crazy lady And it's insane she looks exactly like her dad

that's fucking weird but uh coffee is the more exploitive movie it fits in that thing and pam greer's amazing and you know

can't go against my boy jack hill I'm glad he's on this bracket a few times so I had to go with coffee oh you're going on with coffee okay yeah all right

I wrote that down wrong um Let's see. Pedro. Yeah, much like a big dollhouse. You can't go wrong with Jack Hill and Pam Greer. And our boy said, hey, he's got a small part in this film, but still kind of wacky. So I'm going to go with coffee. Can't go wrong with that trifecto, that team right there.

That's true. Garrett. Yeah, three for three on this. I'll go with coffee as well. Pam Greer, I think this was the movie that really cemented her place as far as the exploitation. and queen of the 70s. So, yeah, coffee for me. Coffee it is.

Matthew? Coffee is my jam. I have a real affinity for exploitation. As Garrett learned on our James Bond shows, along numerous other side conversations. And I think coffee is definitely top five in the genre. You could argue top three. So that's where I'm going.

All right. Gary, is it a clean suite? Well, yeah. Yes, it is probably, because I found symptoms to be boring yourself. I get the whole mental health aspect of it, but a better version of this movie is let's scare Jessica to death, and I don't like that movie either.

So coffee wins, I think, in this situation. There's also the better film on repulsion, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That wasn't a fan. To me, the real problem with symptoms is the fact that for an exploitation countdown, you have his other film vampires right there screaming, hey, I'm a lesbian vampire film.

Let's check me out for an exploitation list. We were just looking at that one. Where we, Philip? I think that's, I think that's symptom's main problem is the fact that for an exploitation countdown, there's a better film in his filmography from the same year. Yeah. By the way, the best said, hey, wardrobe in any movies

in Black Mama, White Mama. I'll just throw that out there, okay? It is his best wardrobe. Yep. Let's see. And next we've got... Okay, so coffee wins that one, clean sweep. Next we've got Ebola syndrome and flesh for Frankenstein.

Man, that's what I like to call a clash of styles right there. That's what that is, man. Completely different movies, but both of them are pretty damn good. All right, Pedro, which one's best? Well, I just recently discovered Ebola, syndrome. I saw it, I think, like, last year for the first time. But Fleth from Frankenstein, I mean, you have Udo Kier being about as Udo Kier as he's ever been in this film and just so many memorable lines that he has that I don't know if they're intentional or if they were on the script or what,

but it's just Udo Kier, like, just taking it upon himself to just have the most ridiculous dialogue in that movie. And he's like the whineest, like, person I've ever seen in a film, honestly, in this movie. I love the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, The set design is amazing, and the cinematography is pretty good. So I'm going to go with Flesh for Frankenstein on this one, because I just, I've seen it a few times, and I always have a good time watching it. Due to Udo Kier's Tours Tow the Force, by the way.

He's just awesome in that movie. All right, Flesh for Frankenstein. Garrett, what do you think? Yeah, I'll go with Pedro on the Flesh for Frankenstein. Ebola Syndrome is just, that movie is just, I've only seen it once, but it's just, Goofy. Flesh for Frankenstein is just, man, you talk about a crazy film.

I'll go with Flesh for Frankenstein. All right. Don. Ebola. Ebola. Ebola. Ebola. Anthony Wong is just an absolute wrecking machine in that film.

I mean, the man deliberately spits on people saying you want the Ebola virus here. Hey, aye. We've seen some of that over the last two years. I mean, talk about, you know, I mean, talk about your socially distanced diseases. But, I mean, everything that he's spitting on you. I mean, everything that he does in that film is designed to either get himself laid or spread this deadly disease. I mean, that's the only thing he does in this movie.

And I love him for it. Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of love for flesh for Frankenstein. I think it's a great film. But I just, I can't go. against Anthony Wong. I mean, Ebola syndrome was the first film I put on my list. It was the first trace I had. So I can't go against that one. Fair enough. Matthew, gonna keep it a fight. It's gonna be a continue to be a one-sided fight because I'm going flush for Frankenstein.

And the reason why that movie looks as good as it does is because the director had a pretty close relationship with Andy Warhol. And that's why it looks, you know, like Garrish. It's quite a critique of hippie culture, which I always love. So I can't go against it. I saw this on the bracket. I'm like, I'm so glad this is on here. Nice. Derek, what do you think? Well, I know you guys can't see me on camera right now when I'm actually wearing a shirt

with a picture of Anthony Wong enabolo syndrome right now. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, this movie's just nuts because I had, It dwells into so many different subgenres to, you know, disease movie. You have the scene where it's the natives, kind of like, you know, it's like a cannibal movie in a way, too, where they go to visit the native tribe, you know, and fucking, you know, and then it turns into like a thriller, murder mystery with the mystery of fine weird the virus started from.

And, you know, there's even like fucking some weird humor that was also an untold story. And my favorite scene of this is where Anthony Wong is just trying to buy. a prostitute. 50 for Fondelan? 50 for Fondelan? I was dying and laughing. Oh, man. It's just dirty and sleazy, too.

He's just a sleazy piece of shit in this movie. It's great. And Ebola burgers, anybody? Wow. Jesus, great. Sounds nice. Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, I was just shocked at this movie actually got a 4K, too.

It's like, what the fuck? You know, and, you know, I'll never eat. pork chops the same way again. He fucks a pork chop. We're close to our very first tie. Gary, what do you think? I'll answer your question with a quote, okay?

To no death auto, you must fuck life in the gold letter. I go, Flesher Frankenstein, amazing looking avoided the time. Udo's top of his fucking game. No.

test for me. Yeah, he is. He's awesome. Every time I watch that, I have a big smile on my face because I don't care because I don't know if he's a great actor or if he doesn't give a fuck. And just him walking that line always puts a smile on my face. All right. That was the first half of our first round.

All right. So we're going to move over to the other side of the bracket now. And we'll start off with, I don't know, these two might be similar in nature. we got cannibal holocaust where they killed real animals versus wild beast where God only knows what happened, right? You said it exactly how I was thinking at Lance. I mean, with these filmmakers from back in the day, with all those animals running around, I don't even want to think. Well, we're going to, Pedro, we'll start with you then, dude. Cannibal Holocaust or Wild Beast?

This is a tough one because I kind of boycott cannibal Holocaust because of the animal. cruelty and stuff like that. There is a particular scene where they kill, I think it was the, was it like the, it was a rodent, one of the... America cat or something, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you could actually see the poor little guy lose his life on the screen.

It just kind of goes to, yeah, it's horrific. It's interesting because on the commentary, they have the, I don't know if anybody has ever heard the commentary, but they have DiOdado there with the lead actor. And the lead actor grinds them. He's like, why would you do that with the accident? No, he's an American guy. Like, why would you do that stuff?

And then the O'Donauter just kind of like trying to play it off and shit. It's very uncomfortable to listen to as well. But I'm kind of glad somebody called them out on it. But the movie itself, we can't deny that it's a classic. And for any of us that grew up, you know, I was born in the 80s. So in the mid-90s, when all of these films we're talking about were very hard to find, this was the holy grail of like exploitation film. Anybody that around my age could understand, like, this is the one that if you had, if you watch, you'll go back to the kids at the school ground and show it off.

You know, like, I saw Cannibal Holocaust. I was like, what the fuck? And so, you know, it was a very elusive movie and very difficult to see. And with Anchor Bay started bringing out, you know, because they were kind of the first ones that would restore these films and bring them out in the late 90s, early 2000s in those big clamshell tapes that cost like 30 bucks. which is the movie, by the way, no special features, nothing, you just bought the movie. So it definitely kind of, you know, it does have cultural relevance in that sense.

And the movie itself, it does have social commentary on it. And, you know, so I think I'm going to go with Cannibal Holocaust because it is very, it is kind of an influential movie in a lot of ways, but I don't think I'm ever going to watch it again. You'll go with it, but just not watch it again. I saw it once like two years ago, because I was doing another podcast and we're covering like cannibal movies.

But that's it. I was like, I'm never going to watch this fucking movie again. All right. So, Don, tell us, are these both exploitation films? Yeah, they are. Yeah, I definitely put both of them in the category. But the legacy, the impact, the fact that this was banned in its home country because people thought that there was actual deaths on screen, not just animals, but humans.

I mean, they legitimately had to do a live TV special where they demonstrated the special effects on the crew in front of a live TV. Like, imagine interrupting, you know, I mean, oh, God, I mean, I'm so out of touch. Imagine ABC on a Thursday night decides to hold a TV special because they need to show off the special effects for the Batman

and say that, you know, they need to show off how they did this because otherwise people are going to question whether or not it was a movie or if it was real or not. I mean, that's legitimately what happened with this. Animal deaths or not, it's just hard to top Holocaust for me. All right, so that's a cannibal

Holocaust for you then? Yep. All right. Derek. Quick, quick question. What was the other movie it was going against? Cannibal, wild beasts. Ooh. Damn.

That does have that fucking awesome scene with the polo beer at the end. Fuck. You know, but yeah, Cannibal Holocaust is just that movie where it's so divisive in the community because of the animal scenes. But I think that's why it's important because it makes you react

and the only reason why damn that turtle scene still fucking gets me every time that's another one yeah the turtle scene the pig oh it's about three or four of them yeah that turtle when they're just holding that turtle's head and it's still fucking moving it's like

what the fuck and you know the thing that makes the movie work so much better is the score by Rez Oralani oh I love that score it's so beautiful to listen to and you hear it throughout it. Even like the most,

most beautiful music's played when most of the fucking debauchery scenes are happening. You're like, what the fuck? It's kind of like solo where you hear like happy music playing where people are getting raped and shit. I'm like, what the fuck? But, uh,

yeah, uh, there's no, I love wild beasts. It's fucking nuts. You know, you know, Franco Pospheri or whatever his name was.

fucking actually one of the creators like the Mando genre you know he did like Mando Cane Cane and Monday Kane need two and good bye Uncle Tom like all those Mando films from back in the early

60s slash 70s and you can tell he took that influence with Wildbeast and made it crazy but Holocaust is the holy grill of you know you know it's hard because I'm kind of shocked at Fiorox didn't even make this list.

And that's another one that's fucking nuts. Like all that shit. But I have to go Holocaust on this one. All right. So far, Cannibal Holocaust is way out ahead. Is it going to stay there, Gary? Well, it's going to stay ahead because it's sliding real fucking fast here. But I took a solemn vow once I saw once.

Because it's one of those films, like Pedro says, it has a reputation. You know, you say you got to see at least once. Well, that's all I've ever seen it was the one time. I didn't watch her for this show. I've seen it. I've heard talked about enough to know what happens in the movie. I'm just not a fan. I'm a fan of other cannibal films like it.

And they have animal cruelty as well. I just talked about this with another podcast. But Wild Beasts, if your fans or should have never seen it before, the plot synopsis is PCP, at a water supply at a zoo. And they fucking go crazy. It kill people. And it's bonkers.

The only flaw I think it really has is for no reason at all. You see a 12 real girl's titties in the movie for a quick second, you know? Oh, yeah. Both of these are really pushing some serious. She answers the phone. She opens her shirt slightly. You see this 12 real girl's tits for no reason. I'm like, well, there's the flaw in your movie.

But everything else is fucking gold. and I can have... That's quite a flaw. It is quite a flaw. But don't have to turn you away from watching this movie because you'll have a lot of fun with it. And the animal stuff is irresponsible. And I imagine animals got hurt in this movie for animals.

But for the fact that I just can't, I can't take it. I recognize what it is. I'm choosing Wild Peace over Camp Hall of Cross. I can watch one of these movies still. Okay. Well, we're going to make this. a contest then? Matthew? Oh, boy. Wild Things

is basically James Patterson's book, Zoo, if he had Stephen King's drug addiction at the time that he was. Because I just because I cannot I grew up I grew up in a farm so I can't

watch Cannibal Holocaust anymore. Like I watched it once that I so like, I didn't want to talk to anybody after it was done. I get it's, it is one of the, you know, it's probably the most notorious movie on this tournament and owes a lot to getting this entire genre more prominently, at least in the eyes of the mainstream. But just for personal reasons, I have to go with wild things. And also, I just love the Italians to no end. and like I said, if my description of wild things didn't sell you on it,

you need to get your head examined. Yeah, well, we're looking it up right now, so we're at streaming. All right, Garrett, where are we at on this, man? All right, well, to think about both these movies is they both have things that just completely disdain in films, you know. But Cannibal Holocaust is the more notorious.

I mean, you mentioned Cannibal Holocaust to somebody who doesn't, know much about these films that we're talking about tonight, and they will probably know the name, if not what it is. I think just out of, God, I have to go with Wild Beast just because, like, Cannibal Holocaust is just, it's, I watched, I'm like Matt, I watched it one time, and I think I was drunk when I watched it, and I, and even drunk and in a state with a bunch of other people trying to watch it with me, I couldn't even get into it.

but because of everything that you guys are talking about. It's just, it's a, it's a movie I disdain, and I never watched it against since, and that was about 15 years ago. So I want to go Wild Beast. Oh, wow. Okay, Brian, this is, this is your first appearance on the show, man. You've been quietly listening, but we've got a...

Hey, Brian, welcome. Welcome to the show. First time. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Nice to you to join us. Welcome, welcome. Welcome, man.

Even though I don't like Cannibal Holocaust, I'm going to have to go with it because it's the only one I've seen. What an anti-climatic tiebreaker that was. Yeah, I'm expecting a 30-minute argument here, a dissertation. All right, everybody calm down, let Brian go back to safe. Exact same reason. All right. See you, that's the next one, man. All right, well, let's move on to two.

to two that couldn't be more different. Faces of death versus Vampiros Lesbos. Gary, Gary, get us started here, man. You put the winners against each other. Real quick with this, okay? One of these is a film, the other one is not. So I think Vampires Lesbos over faces of death, okay?

Okay, all right. A technicality again. That makes sense. Don. Gary's argument verbatim, Vampiros. Oh, very good. Okay, this may be, this may be quick, Garrett. Yeah, Faces of Death is one of those movies that, like, when you're growing up and, you know, like, it's so notorious.

And then people would always talk about it on playgrounds and things as being like this thing that, like, you can't, you can't watch it, you know, there were things that you see somebody's head just explode during an execution and that kind of thing. I mean, it was just like, everybody was just like, yeah, it's something that, like, if you find it. it is like the Holy Grail, you know, somebody mentioned that as being the Countable Holocaust. I looked at, I looked at Faces of Death as that growing up. Like, I had to watch it. Once I watched it, I was like,

uh, it's okay, but, you know, it's just like, like, okay, we're watching,

like, people get executed and, like, what the fuck is? People and monkeys. Don't forget the little monkey. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's just, it's part of the Indiana Jones scene. Yeah. So as far as expectation goes, I'll go, uh, vampiros as well,

just, That movie is just fucking bizarrely crazy. And I, and I, and I do love that movie, like, in a weird way. Like, that movie is just so ridiculous. And as you can tell, the more ridiculous, the better with me when it comes to exploitation. So I'll go vampiros. I can't put this in the same Holy Grail category as Cat of a Holocaust, because every fucking video story had this on the top shelf of the horror section.

It said, plus 18. Yeah. Yeah. But it was one of those things that, like, you know. Like, you weren't allowed to see it. I wasn't allowed to see it when I was younger. So once I did finally get to see it, it was like, oh, my God, finally. You know, it was like one of those things that, like, I would hold it up.

I'm like, look what I finally found, you know, and then it was just, yeah. You go back to the playground the next day. Did you guys, I saw faces of death. You guys. Exactly. Exactly. It was infamous. Exactly.

So, yeah, I'm going vampires. We all, that cousin, they probably would have run in the forest. So, you know, I sure did. All right. Eric? Ooh. Yeah, I'm not really a fan of faces of deaf either.

And Jess Franco is one of my favorite filmmakers, and I love Vampiros, Lesbo. I actually just rewatched it today before we recorded it. Man, that soundtrack is fucking groovy as all hell. I'm like, when the fuck are the Beatles going to pop up? Because it feels like some of the music

from Hard Days Night in this shit, you know? I think the soundtrack made more money than the movie. actually when you read about it. I think so, yeah. That soundtrack was like top ten in England. Yeah, because they republished it in the 90s. And like, it topped a bunch of European charts. Well, Franco also reused it in about 50 other films.

So I think it made money on the residuals for that. True, true. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally just Franco, naked chicks doing things to each other. I'm in. In Paris Lesbos. Groves. Pedro,

are we going to keep it going? Well, no, because I'm going to stand up for faces of death. Now, I will preface this by saying that this pick, that was one of my picks, and it was completely based on nostalgia. So I'll say that. For all the reasons that Garrett explained. A hell of a drug. As Pedro said many times of the show.

Yes. The thing about this movie is that when I first watched it, I was probably like 12 years old. and it was it was such a like a visceral experience like what the fuck the monkey you know what the fuck and then later on as i got older and you know you you become a cinefire whatever you revisit these films the guy the doctor's name is francis b gross like what like why didn't they register with me as a not knows kid to just you know being on the joke right this is all fake but when you know when you're 12 and you're gullible, this kind of shit gets over with you.

So, yeah, I remember all the skits. I remember all the, you know, like we said, it was kind of like forbidden fruit for any youngster at that time. And then when I first got the Blu-ray, I heard the commentary, and the director's like the most mild manner, like soft-spoken guy.

And I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? Like, this is not supposed to be the way it is. So anyways, once the veil of the face of dead movie was pulled from under me, it was like the movie's not, it's not great. Like you guys were saying, it might not even classify as the movie.

It's just a bunch of like skits thrown together. I would say about like 95% of them are like reenactments. But I will say that some of them are pretty legendary, like if you're into this kind of film. And they do stand out for that reason. But I'm still going to go with this of that just because it is nostalgic and, you know, it's my pick. So I'm going to go with it. All right, Matthew, any more love for faces? No, it ends right there.

All that you have about Garrett's recess conversations makes me not want to know what elementary school he went to. And I guess it's appropriate. Someone stood up for faces of death because all the straight men on this podcast were standing up on Vampiro's Lesbos. Somebody else had to do it. I will respectfully abstain from this one

because I have not seen either. All right. So I think Vampiros Lesbos comfortably moves forward. So Matthew help us out with this one, man. Steve Austin would say the flagpole was at full salute, huh? For you guys on Vampirals, Lesbos.

Wrestling just always slips into this podcast, man. All right, Matthew, here's our choices. Faster pussycat Kill Kill or Demons? Love the band. Yeah, I even love the

sequel, the sequel that I think Bobby even the second one. It's demons for me. A lot of this has to do with, I know sometimes it shouldn't be antiquated, but if we're going to talk about music, this has a great soundtrack. You've got Billy Idol,

you got Motley Cruz on this, Rick Springfield. Yeah, that's right. Except. Except. We got a buzzard. We got a buzzard. No, I'm saying accept. No, except.

Except. Oh, the band. Yeah, the band of the same. Yeah. The scene in the film. Come on. Everything about demons is awesome. All right, Gary.

It's personified, you know. Everybody's got puffy jackets, puffy hair, corksnown coke snorting punks. You've got a blind guy that you can see his eyes moving at whatever he's doing. All right, Gary, what's the winner, man? The better looking film, two, I give the faster pussycat kill kill. Nice, okay. just, but as far as like preferences go and what I'll go to 20 times over one, uh, demons wins because it's bonkers and stuff with pus grosses me out.

Uh, and again, the crazy soundtrack that was mentioned and every vehicle has gas in it miraculously. And it's, uh, Michelle Suave looking like cane or immortal combat. I love that guy. It's all fun. It's all fun. I have a good time with both, but for demons over the other. Okay. Another for demons. Pedro. Demons for, I'm going to give two names. Bobby Rhodes. Tony the Pimp. He's awesome in that. He's actually awesome in both. She's a friend of mine. She's a friend of mine. And then, yeah, he's, he's great in that movie. He even has like a poetic ending to his character, which is pretty cool. because that movie makes like zero sense.

There's a helicopter that just crash lands into the theater for like no reason. And I remember in the commentary track, they asked Lumberto Bava. So what is the point of this helicopter? And he just goes, I don't remember. And that was it. That was literally the end of that conversation. Yeah, it's great. There's a lot of drugs involved.

Fuck out. Yeah. Yeah, with those punk rockers, with the Coke can, literally get it. Ha ha, ha, Coke Cannon. Oh, yeah. And so, yeah, it's a fun time. It's a great movie. And so I'm going to go with demons.

All right. Garrett. When I was working in a video store, I went through a big stereo or gentle phase, and I was, like, renting everything that I had heard that the guy had anything to do with. And one of those, I remember thumbing through Leonard Walton's book, and one of those was demons.

And Leonard Walton, like the synopsis of people going crazy in a movie theater was fucking amazing to me. So I took that thing home, I watched it and it's still like to this day, like I adore that movie to pieces. A lot for the soundtrack as you guys have already pointed out. Faster pussycat kill kill is fine

but just out of pure love of what I saw in demons. I got to go with that. That movie's just crazy fun for me. All right. Derek? Yeah.

Sorry to hate on, I love demons. You know, it's one of my favorite horror movies of all time. And Faster Pussy Kill Kill was the first time watch for me. And I did appreciate it, you know, but I feel like I like the, it influenced a lot of movies that I enjoy more than it, if that makes sense. That does make sense. Yeah. You know, like there's an Australian movie that I really love called El Monster Del Monte. which kind of has like these three vixions that are very similar to the girls and fassy pussycat

kill kill but they the giant monster you know yeah yeah it's pretty fun and uh but demons has cocaine and co cans a sam a guy riding a fucking motorcycle with through a movie which makes no sense because he's riding the seats on a motorcycle which you know that's like physics would get in the way of that but he's just doing it anyway. I don't care, man. I don't either. It's a great time. I don't know, man.

Folding chairs are pretty fun to ride on, so I'm pretty sure that's what was in that theater anyway. It has a Daria. They're even more fun to hit somebody over the head with. Here we go again. Even has a Daria, a gentle staple with a blind man. And, of course, they poke the blind man's eyes out. Right, right? You know, gore is all hell.

And, you know, it's just very, nostalgic pick for me. It's like the movie that kind of made me want to see more movies like that. So I had to go with demons. Ripping his eyes out is a wonderful moment of cruelty in that movie. I can't take it though. Like, yeah, he's already blind, but

you're ripping his eyes out. Even like the movie within the movie that has like Michelle Soavi as the lead guy finding the you know, but there's a great cinematic shot in that movie where like the girl like one of the, I guess you know, Lady of the Night, I guess

according to Tony the Pimp. When she's turning and she's looking up and then behind you see Michael Swabia also turning into a demon. That's an awesome fucking shot right there. It must be the content movie. Smash everything. Smash everything.

They put two and two together after that. You're right, yes. All right. All right, Don, is it a clean sweep? No, I thought faster Pussycat was more close. in spirit to what the thing was about. Demons hands down is the better film, but I thought Faster Pussycat was a little closer in spirit

to what the point of the show was about, so I thought that one. Okay. All right. Definitely makes sense. All right, good. So it gets a vote. All right.

So Demons is definitely moving on. So now we're going to maybe have a common theme here. Kitten with a whip versus House. a whip chord. Derek. What is it, man? Kitten Wood a Whip was also one of the first time watches for me, and I did enjoy it.

It was kind of like this weird precursor prequel to Charlie's Angels, pun intended, because the guy who plays Charlie and Charlie's Angels is in the movie. Ah, okay. Yeah, but yeah, it's very sleigh.

You know, it has like this weird, like, it kind of feels like Larry Cohen's bone in a way with the dialogue and the way the story goes. Oh, wow. In the sense, which I actually kind of prefer Bone, though, which is early FF COTA performance there. You know, damn, I should have picked that over Simpsons now.

Damn it. But whatever. The House of Whipcore is Pete Walker. And the thing with Pete Walker movies that I like is they always feel dirty and dreary and grim the way you watch them and his movies don't have happy endings and it's it's kind of an interesting take on like a prison like a women in prison movie because it's not actually sat in a real prison because it's trying to tell like this message of the commentary of like the censorship that was going on in england with like things that are uh yeah what's the

fuck's the name of the group you know the that was censoring a lot of things like meteor in england It's kind of his... Video Nasty's? Yeah, it's the same group that started the video Nasty's craze. It was kind of like the thing that he was trying to get into the movie. And it's kind of interesting. You know, it's dirty, grimy. It has a dirty feel to it.

Sheila Keef's in the movie as one of the prison guards. And, you know, she's just nasty as ever. Even though she sounds like a sweet old grandmother. Get over here. you little bitch. You know, like the way she talks and shit. So I'm going to have to go with House of Whipcord on this one. Okay.

All right. Moving on. Garrett. I promise this is the last time I have to do this, but I got to bow out because I haven't seen either. Okay. All right. That'll make this one easy. Matt.

Kid with a Whip is probably one of the most fascinating movies on this list because it was made. It borders on a event. Vanity Project for Anne Margaret because she wanted to get away from that, you know, Viva Las Vegas, you know, musical gal image that she had. And while I think it's a pretty good movie for what it is, I think House a Whip has a Whipcord's just a little bit better. Ah, okay. Pedro. Well, I haven't seen Kidden with a Whip, but I think I would have chosen House of Whipcourt because I'm a big fan of Pete Walker. I love schizo and I love fright mirror.

So I'm going to go with House of WhipCorp. Okay, the house. Don? Yeah, I'm like Pedro. I didn't get to a kitten with a whip in time, so I'm going whip cord. Because I, even if I, even if I would have seen it, I doubt it would have topped a whip cord for me. Nice. The reason why I pick kitten with a whipping now, I was thinking outside the box with my choices,

because I wasn't sure what I was recording with and what they were going to pick. And I've always loved, like, the bad, girl genre. And in this case, she's a reform school escapee who stabbed one of the guards. So she's afraid this person's going to die. And they've made a lot of these kind of movies

to where, you know, this bad girl was going to like ruin somebody's life. Like, fast a person who gets kill, kill. If I had a choice in that in this film called Sisters and Leather, which is about women, lesbians who are blackmailing a guy, is going to turn his wife into a lesbian too? It's a really weird biker film.

I picked that over that. But this film, and Margaret sells it for me. I'm fully aware, The House of Whipcourt is a better movie out of these two. So I have to go with that. But I love this genre of film. This is why I threw it on there.

All right. Getting some good opinions here. All right. Moving on to the next category or the next round. we've got the switchblade sisters versus killer nun. Don, you want to get started? Ooh, well, this was a really tough one. Yeah, you mix non-sploitation with Gialo,

and I'm hard as a rock for 90 minutes. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah, that one really works for me. Switchblade sisters, I have a lot of problems. with, even though I think it's a fine film, but I think Jack Hill did better films. He's got better films on this list. And it commits one of the cardinal sense that I hate with a burning passion.

And it uses rape as a correctional method, and it's used for the better. The scene where the boyfriend rapes the new girl and she ends up siding with him from they're on and they sort of hook up. I hate that with a passion. I hate that. Ouch. Yeah, I hate that kind of a concept with a passion. So I'm going with Killer Nun on this one.

Good. Killer Nunn. Garrett, good reason. Yeah, I'll go Switchplay Sisters because I saw it. It was very impressionable on me when I saw it. Killer Nunn, it probably more follows the rules, I guess, of the exploitation films that we're talking about today, but Swiss Play Sisters had a very impressional impact on me,

so I'll go Swiss Play Sisters. Okay, one in one. Matthew? I'm going to go with Killer Nun on this one, and I spent the entire preparation period trying to come up with what was the cheesiest tagline to accompany this, and I came up with, this May, you will not be rising on the third day.

Aye. All right, what do you think? I'm going to go with Switchblade Sisters. Again, I, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I really like the story. I think, uh, Dominic is one of the worst biggest comebacks as far as villains that have ever been on film. I mean, just, you know, um, I, and then it's one of those, like, I, I, I, I kind of see it like, um, like, um, like a coming of age movie with a very, like, dark, you know, twist to it,

you know, um, and it's Jack Hill. And I'm always going to be biased towards Jack Hill, because I, I, I think I like, I don't think there's a movie he's made that I don't like. I mean, he's just a great filmmaker. So I'm going to go with Switchblade Sisters on this one. All right. Another for Switchblade. Derek.

I do enjoy me some killer nun, but I'm going to have to go with Switchblade sisters, which ironically was a first time watching me. I never actually seen it until yesterday. And the thing I dig about it, It kind of has like this weird Shakespearean motive to the story that it's telling. What's Othello. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I got to when I was watching the special features. And I kind of dig that about it. It's kind of like this weird exploitative version of Othello, but with chicks. And, you know, I kind of dig that. And I kind of just like the commobbery of like the main few chicks there in the movie, The Girl, the I patch, iconic. look and that's what i remember from seeing like the posters of this movie and a patch and you know and donuts is a funny character yeah yeah so i'd go switchblade on this one all right uh vote for switchblade and uh gary you haven't gone yet oh switchplay sisters is a is a movie that i think

other films have done it better but like don't said not not not jack hill's best i do enjoy it still Killer Nunn is Gonzo for all the right reasons. Some old guy gets fucked in his wheelchair in that movie and other weird stuff. And, you know, it's just nasty. And I love it.

I love both things. But Killer Nunn wins more on the exploitation what it's all about for me. Uh-oh. Brian, you there? Winky, wiki. Yes, I am.

I have seen neither. the one of these. Oh, shit. This is terrible, man. We got to come up with it. That's something else here. Got to roll the dice. Who can convince Brian?

Which one has the better name? Oh, if that's what we're going with, I got to go with Switchplay sisters. Fair enough. I just wrote down SS. That might not be a good thing. All right. So we're moving on. Now we're going with the.

The next category is Race with the Devil versus Ricky O. Oh, shit. Totally different. Pedro. I don't know. I don't know. Do we got a buzzer for Race with the Devil, Don? Absolutely.

Yep, I knew it. Well, I'm going to go, this is hard because race with the devil's, I love Peter Fonda. I'm a big fan of Peter Fonda. Even like, even like his older work, like escape from L.A. and stuff like that. He's just a very charismatic guy. But Riccio is like a staple of like exploitation films. Like it's just a great fucking film and very influential too. And it's just gory as fuck and it's just gonzo.

So I'm going to go with Riccio just to stay on the theme of what we're doing here. Okay, Riccio, Don. Which, by that's not even the real name of the movie, but that's just me being a snob. Okay. Or the character, I should say. that's two I answered Pedro's question so take that for what you will

I figured it would be that way Matthew oh boy I have seen Race of the Devil far more times but if you're asking me like what if I had to show somebody a movie I would probably go with

Riccio just to watch their reactions like when that guy's intestines fall out and you just fucking ties them together yep I love Riccio because they should have called it anatomy be damned the movie. So I think I'm going to go with Riccio, although I do have much more of a soft spot for race of the devil

and the car exploitation elements associated. All right. Another one for Riccio. Gary? Race's devil's a wonderful film. He got the winning combo of Warren Oates and Peter Fonda, and that plot is pretty awesome. But I don't know if I see there's lulls in the movie, but Ricky O doesn't stop with everything it does. So I have to go with Ricky O,

Racial and devil, not sliding Rish and devil, but one does it more for me. It's put it that way. There is a lot of tension in race with the devil, though. Oh, yes, there is. Yeah. And it's always very tense from beginning to end. So there is that.

But yeah, Rikio is just nonstop adrenaline from the moment it starts to the end. So, yeah. All right. Dan. Oh, man. It's fine. We may have to watch that one tonight. Man,

if any, if any of it was picked with any other movie, I would have to pick Race the Devil. But unfortunately, Riccio, what could I do? It looks good. Yeah. I think we're going to check that out after the recording.

Is it a clean suite, Garrett? Yeah. I would say so. I mean, look, I'm with Pedro. I adore Peter Fonda. Race with the Devil. It was one of the first one of these movies I actually did see. But we'll get to the other one I'd seen first later on.

But Rikio is just fucking insane. And for much the same reason, I went with Maniac. I'll go with Rikio. All right. Yep. That's a clean suite. Don, let's let you go first. on this one, man. You've got

zombie versus the intruder. Zombie, favorite film of all time. That's the winner, huh? Okay. Well, favorite horror film of all time. Garrett? Yeah, favorite horror film of all time. It's probably number two or three all time, if general movies. Yeah. Zombie was one of those movies. Like, I saw it after I'd seen

Romero stuff, and I looked at, I'm like, wait a minute, this isn't what zombies are supposed to be. But, like, I was like 12 years old at that time. I watch it now and I see it exactly for what it was and it was, it built a lot of rules that are still used today. And so I definitely will go

with zombie on this. All right. Two for zombie. Matthew. So because in preparation, I watched the wrong intruder movie. I watched some bullshit with Dennis Quaid that came out a couple years ago. That was the heart.

That was the heart I have not laughed at a movie that hard. That was bad. Iron ironically, at a very long time. Yeah. I think that's going to go in the rotation in the same way that I talk about, the snowman. Speaking of not to show my hand of stuff we're doing in the future,

but I can't go against zombie. I just... Fulci's the man. Pedro? Yeah, we're talking about the Scott Spiego Intruder, right? That's the one we're talking about? No. I'm not sure.

Who put it on here? No, this is Roger Corman's the intruder with William Shatner. Okay. Oh, wow. I thought we were talking about the serial killer in the supermarket in the I did see, but. Yeah, it's not an intruder. No, it's not that intruder, no.

I'm just crazy. I was way off in case you couldn't tell. That's what I was going to say. I mean, I was wondering why Lance put the on there because that's not how the movie goes. I mean, I watched it anyway, but yeah, I thought he was talking about, Because yeah, that movie is intruder, and I wonder why the hell... And that's a great fucking movie, too, so... Oh, absolutely, yeah.

I mean, I... Yeah, no, I thought Lance fucked up and he put the wrong title on there. Yeah, no, this Shatner movie, I said, you guys remember that show that used to come on called Night Flight? I think it was, like, on TBS or something. I remember seeing this one on Night Flight between a bunch of music videos. They have the app for that. That's still around, by the way. Oh, man, I got to check it.

out, dude. So what's the correct answer, Pedro? Well, regardless, I don't care if it was the intruder this, the intruder, their intruders. It doesn't matter. I would have gone with zombie anyway, because that's a classic. A legit classic of a movie for all the aforementioned reasons.

All right. Don, I already said it. That's his first movie. Okay, that's right. You pick me first. Did I miss somebody on this one? Did I miss somebody on this one? Here. You go?

I went, yeah. I didn't go yet. Okay. I didn't go either. Gary. I got to say the reason I picked the intruder to go on here is if you haven't seen the film before,

William Shadner plays a race agitator. This is May, 1962, so it's eight years after the Brown versus the Board of Education, who goes to this town because they're going to integrate the school for the first time.

So he goes there to get the town riled up to be against this. So he's a big old, he's a big old racist. in this movie. And it's, it's, uh,

the best shot of performance there is. I'm not saying that as like, oh, he's so goofy and no, he's seriously an actor in this movie. And the subject matter and, you know, the time that it was made.

Yeah, my father's high school didn't get integrated to like 1970. So it was still civil rights movement was still very much going on in 1962. So the balls that Roger Corman put forward to, to make this film is a, impressive in itself. That's why I put this on the list

because just the outside the box. It deserves to be here. I'm sorry. You know, but I knew it wasn't going to be zombie. So zombie, when I've seen the brackets, I pick zombie over this movie because I'll say that exploitation in the traditional sense, I guess.

Right. Right. It is better than this, I guess. But it's not a better movie to me. All right. Got to give Intruder some love. So did he say did Shatner ever have a line where he said, my children are not going to go to class with those? No, he doesn't talk slow like that.

No, no, nothing like that. No pauses. All right. Did I, did I miss anybody? Me, Derek. We don't have to fucking cancel the episode. Did I miss anybody? Derek did not go back.

Okay, that's what I did. That's where I fucked up. Sorry, Derek. It's all right. My vote's going to be a zombie. It's my favorite horror film of all time. It has a zombie versus a fucking shark. Yeah, you can't beat that.

All right. Well, Derek, why don't you get us started with the final one in round one, which is blood-sucking freaks versus Last House on the Left? Oh, boy. Yeah. You know what? Fuck it. I hate the music and Last House on the Left.

I'm going blood-second freaks. Aye. Okay. Gary? Blood-sucking freaks is my choice. That's got no bearing on my choice for which one's better. Last House of the Left has a lot of problems with it. You know, the asides with the bumbling cops is really stupid. It's got Martin Colvin.

Why does it not to love? Well, I love Martin Cove. I don't need him getting a truck full of chickens to go be more bumbling, you know, and with all this other. serious stuff is happening. Yeah, the serious stuff is great, but that and, you know, the happy-go-lucky soundtrack with these killers, and

I know what's the day, but it has to do with the soundtrack, because I guess it's like a, I don't even know, I don't care. Bloodsucking Freaks is strange, and the effects budget is cheap, and Ralphus is wonderful, and so is Sardu,

and it ends with, you know, a bunch of cage girls eat to somebody. It hasn't ended all right. And it ends with them. One of them girls having a sausage. Just put it that way, okay? Why, they're hurt.

But bloods like the freaks for me. I'm sorry. All right. Bloodsucking freaks again. Garrett, are you, are you in agreement? Well, here's the thing. Last House and Leap was another one I saw. Like, it was, I was going through West Craver's resume when I was younger.

And this would come up, and it was, once again, Leonard Walton's book. Like we didn't have online back then. We didn't have online reviews. We had these books that I would refer to. And it was like, it was, it's notorious. It's, it's ridiculous. It's stupid. And I'm like, of course I want to go see that. So I went and I rented this movie. And this movie has this girl on the cover. It's almost like an evil dead cover. Like she's laying down on a bunch of branches and she looks like she's, she's mangled. And I'm like, oh, man, I got to see this. And I took it home. I'm like, wow, this is kind of like, it's the same problem the most of Craven's films had throughout this entire career. Like the tone was all over

the fucking place. Bloodsucking Freaks is one of those movies that it was introduced to me late. I was at a con and one of the girls at the table gave me a copy and said you got to watch this. I took it home and it was fucking great. Like I love

that movie. It's so fucking ridiculous and fun. So I'll go bloods fucking freaks. Okay. Matthew. There's not a lot of West Craven movies I like and sadly this last house and left falls into that lot. Those two dipshit cops

just make that movie absolutely unbearable. Outside of the, you know, the really uncomfortable stuff, like the inciting incident at this movie, when that's the thing that doesn't irritate me the most, I think it is an utter fail. And blood-sucking freaks

I have seen a few times, and every time it's done, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to put this on the back burner and probably watch it when I get a chance again. I like it a lot. So that's where my that's where my vote's going. Last House on the Left was the biggest case of blue balls I ever had as a teenager. Yeah. Not only have the internet back then. I don't even think they had electricity. Yeah. It's crazy. Because David Hess did better versions of this movie. Yeah, that's what I heard. House at the End of the Park and even his character and like a

what the fuck's that movie with Franco Nero, he's in, Don knows. Rabbit, rabid dogs. No, not rabbit dogs. It's a pit's driving. Oh, God, God, damn. Dead stop or something like that.

Yeah, damn. What the hell's that movie? Hitchhike, hitchhike. Hitchhike, yeah, that's it. Hitchhike, you know. Hitchhike. And even like a, fucking, they did David DeFalco,

the guy who, actually runs Dark Force Entertainment and actually directed Chaos, which is kind of like an unofficial remake. And I watched that recently for a show that I prepped for. And man, it has no music at all in it.

And it's kind of unnerving to watch the like scenes of rape and shit without no music. So it's kind of a little more dirtier and grimeier than the last house in the left, which is weird. But yeah. All right. What do you think, Don?

Yeah, this is a tough one. I mean, everybody's made valid points. The bumbling cops are a huge hurdle to get over. There's better, more consistent variations on the topic in, you know, most of the main stars' later career. And then with blood-sucking freaks, it's so slapdash and amateurish. It's really, to me, I was kind of, it was really, it was really. I haven't heard that word in seven or eight years,

done. Well, it just looked so, like, cheap and flimsy. Yeah. I mean, the, the whole point of the investigation that the officer goes through is just, like, one of the most corrupt

and just absolutely bare-bones story, storylines I've ever seen in one of these kinds of films. I mean, any cop worth assault would take two seconds to look into what's going on and figure out that she's stuck at the police story. You know, she's stuck there at the, you know, compounder of this dude and how the hell he gets away with all of the stuff he does.

I mean, any copper of the salt would have closed that thing down. So I think both have their problems. Coin flip, I think Bloodsuck and Freaks is a little bit more consistent, though. Okay. That's another one for that. Actually, wow, we're maybe looking at a clean sweep, Pedro. No, no or not. No? Okay.

I didn't pick this movie, by the way. I'm not, I'm not, I, you know, there's one of the things as far as judging films that did it better, I don't think that's fair to like trend setter movies because they have no reference point. So they can't pull from other films with the same structure or genre or story, whereas the films that came after that one certainly have that luxury. So when people say, oh, so and so did it better afterwards, of course, they have more to pull from. And so that's why I don't think it's fair when it's like, oh, well, you know, I'm more. movie from like 10 years later did it way better. Well, yeah, because you could improve on the original that it's there where the original doesn't have that luxury. Not to say this was

original because it was off of Virgin Spring, but still, there's certainly an aspect of this movie that was for its time something new and, you know, it shocked a lot of people. It was West Crave, a young West, well, not so young because he was already in his 30s, because he's kind of started late. But I like it. I think David Hess does a good job. job. I think the there's a scene where like they're just walking through New York and this little kid has like a balloon and then I think David Hed just pops

the balloon with a cigarette and I don't think that was supposed to happen. This little kid just right there is so happy with his balloon and this dude just comes and pops it with a cigarette. I think yeah the cops are you know everybody has said it right. They're there are a detriment to this film but I think what would what empowers this film

as far as his quality is the villains. I think all of them are like the biggest comebacks ever. I think Fred Lincoln as Weasel is like, you know, that's a scary guy right there, you know? And they're all very, like, so matter of fact, throughout the entire picture, which to me is, it says more than having this stereotypical

like, you know, serial killer on the loose or whatever. It's just their ambivalence to what they're doing that's really scary to me, you know? And of course, the parents, their reaction at the end, I love how there's a sense of them still being

in shock. Like, they haven't gotten over losing their daughter, and yet when they exact their revenge, that's why it comes off a little messy to me because they're still their brain, you know, they haven't cognitively accepted so many things that have happened in such a quick period of time, but yet there's this primal aspect of them that takes over and they, you know, they seek their own justice. So I love that aspect of this film. So I'm going to go with Last House on the left. Whereas like blood-sucking freaks, I don't know. I always see it kind of like a mean-spirited movie and It's just not one that has resonated with me.

And I own it. I have it. I've seen it a few times. But it's a movie that I'm not going to go out and watch every year or whatever. It's a movie that I watch maybe once every 10 years. So I'm going to go with Last House on the left. All right. Well, that wraps up round one.

Brian. All right. Moving to the other side of the bracket. Next of Ken versus the Big Doll House. And we're going to go with Gary first. Um, dollhouse, just for all the reasons it was said before. It's a fun action exploitation film that's all there. Next of Kimley doesn't work for me, so for personal choice, Big Doll House.

All right. Derek. I'm going to go with Big Doll House on this one. I love Mexican before. I feel like Big Doll House is a more or better of a term. film for exploitation. It's a woman in prison movie. It has a little bit more going on. It's Jack Hill. It has

Pam Greer in it. You know, there's mud wrestling. You know, so you get that. Can't go wrong with that. All right. Don. Three Pete. I'm not a huge fan of Next of Kin. I love Big Dollhouse.

And I think Big Dollhouse is a better one than I think it's just better. All right. Pedro. Yeah, I'm going to go with the big dollhouse on this one. All right, Garrett. Yeah, for all reasons, everybody's already explained,

and I explained earlier, I got to go with big dollhouse. It fits the exploitation model perfectly for me, so. Is it a clean sweep, Matt? No, it's not. Next to Ken is my tip. Sorry, everybody. All right. Is there a reason why you want to stand up for next to?

Because he wants to be different. That's the hill he's fucking dying on. Okay. All right. The big dollhouse is moving on. On to the next one. The maniac versus dead-end driving. Matt.

Oh, boy. I lean towards maniac. I think it just... When I think of exploitation, I think it touches on all the right notes. like everything from the poster to the tagline to the kills. I don't know. I think it's all there.

All right. Garrett. Yeah, I'm going maniac on this. Mostly because I haven't seen Dead End Driving, but I'm a, as I mentioned earlier, I'm a big fan of Maniac as a, just a hard to watch, but great horror film. All right, Pedro.

I'm going with Maniac. I mean, I love Dead and Driving, but Maniac is a classic, and Joe Spinell's great. it, so I'm going to stick with Maniac. Don? I didn't like Dead and Drive in at all, so I'm going Maniac. All right, Derek.

Wow. Harsh words, dude, Don't. I agree with it, no. Yeah. Yeah, I got to go with Maniac. It's more dirty. It's more grimy. It's darker imagery. It has more to say, but, yeah, maniac.

All right, Gary. Oh, it's maniac I need a shower Just talk about it two times So there's a It's Spell, it's Spine all for life, man

I gotta win over the other one I love the other one too So All right Maniac moving on On to the next round The Untold Story Versus I spit on your grave

Gary Oh Untold story It's not just my personal choice I spit at your grave but I just think that the untold story is a

it's very wild and you get much like Ricky O, it doesn't stop. It's just, it's, it's there, it's there for me. Always and I'm going to watch it again. It's first time watching me this time around and Untold Stories is the winner for me. All right, Derek.

I'm going to go with Icepenier grave. It's just the it's just the more just makes me feel dirty just talking about it. Even with the overalls? Okay. Exactly. It's got the guys of the overalls. That haunts me

to this day. Yeah, and the overall. Smelly, I like to call it. Don. Smelty. Shmelting accident. This is a tough one. I can go either way on this. This was almost

Sophie's choice for me. That movie's not on the list. This is a tough one because I really enjoy both. Oh, God, this is hard. I don't know if the guy in the bathtub said that after that scene, but okay. I don't know. I don't know. I'm the untold story.

Okay. All right. Pedro. I'm going to go with the untold story. I mean, it has rewatchability. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I would say, uh, a funer movie to watch. I mean, I spit on your grave, you know, I mean, I, you can't watch that movie more than probably once in your lifetime, if that, you know, so I'm going to go with the untold story. All right.

Uh, uh, just for the reasons Pedro explained, I'll go the, I'll go the, I'll go to, I'll go on your grave just because of how notorious it is and how hard it is to watch. And I think it's the definition of an exploitation of, you know, of that kind of movie where, you know, rape revenge story. So I'll go, I spend on your grave. All right. Matt. I'm going with the untold story because I voted for it in the first round and I got to keep some level of consistency. All right. Well, it was the first time for everything, I guess.

The unto story moving on. on to the next one and it is coffee versus flesh for Frankenstein Matt this is a hard one right here fuck I gotta go first on this oh boy

um god damn it wait so Untold won that last round right? Yes sir okay just check so because I think it's the pinnacle of a specific subgenre I'm gonna lean towards I'm gonna get it the coffee

nice uh garrett oh man um just the pam greer factor uh makes it ahead of the head above so i'll go ahead go coffee as well all right pedro this is kind of a hard one here i like both jack hill and paum morrissey so um yeah but i i think it's the overall package of like pam greer and jack hill and sid hey so i'm go with coffee right done black exploitation trifecta at its best i'm on coffee Garrett i'm also going coffee and carry i am not of the signing vote at all but flesh or frankincine's more exploitation to me out of the two although i love coffee to death uh so i got to go fletcher Rangenstein. All right.

Coffee moving on. So I'm going to throw it over to Phil and I'll go back the rest of my eyes. Vampirals Lesbos, I believe, is going to be set again. I could say that name over and over again. It's just Vampirals Lesbos. It's a great name for a movie.

It's definitely the best name on the list. We go up against the other best name on the list, Cannibal Hanukkah. Oh, boy. Cannibal Hone. Coming soon. You're here to do you. Oh, Dave, coffee's on us.

You only thought you knew the Jews. Coffee's on Amazon Prime. That may be the one we're watching tonight. Oh, fuck yeah. All right. Cannibal Holocaust or Vampiros Lesbos? Garrett, what do you think? I'll go Vampiros Lesbos because I want Cannibal Holocaust the hell off this list.

I can understand that. Matthew. I will copy and paste and co-sign on what my longtime counterpart has said, so I'm going with Vampiro's Lesbos. Vampiros, Lesbos. Pedro. I'm going to have to go and co-sign, double sign, triple sign that certificate, and go Vampirals, Lesbos.

Oh, we're on our way to a sweep. He loved saying that so much. Don. My boners have never failed me before. Lesbian vampires. Well, I have some stories for you. Sometimes. Imagine going to the box office.

Let's say you're going to an AMC, not one of these grind-house at 42nd Street, because they're used to this kind of shit. But imagine going to the box office and asking for a ticket for Vampirals Leskos. Especially if you're going by yourself, that's a little more awkward. Especially. Make sure no one's in front of me.

I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got to send a message the fandom of events, then play Vanperos, Lizbo's. Make sure you put it, make sure you have late night screening. So, and, uh, play it in the colder parts of town. So you have to wear really long clothing. Uh, he pee-huh. All right. Jesus Christ Eric

Me next Uh O Vampirous Lisbo I gotta go with my man Uncle Jess This one

And Gary If my favorite thing about your film Is the soundtrack Vampiros Lesbos is the winner Over the other one So there you go All right Clean sweet for Vampiros Lesbos

Let the hate mail Come in y'all. I'm waiting for it to happen. It wouldn't be the first time, would it? All right. We're going to go for Demons or House of Whipcord. Don, you want to start us out? I think House of Whipcord is an exploitation film, so I'm going on there.

Fair enough. Gary. Oh, demons. I love old Vinnie Price, but I like other stuff. Other, better, not better stuff, but other stuff that he's in. I can't say better stuff, but other stuff that he's in besides that. So, Demons, it is? Demons, it is. Yes, I'm sorry.

All right. Garrett. I haven't seen Hustle Ripcourt, so Demons by default, but I'm pretty sure if I, even if I had seen it, I love demons so much. I'd probably go with that anyway. All right. Derek. I love both.

Demons is one of my favorite horrible. movies of all time, but I got to decide with being more of an exploitation-style film and go with House of Whipcord. Ah, that technicality. We're getting interesting here. Matthew.

Well, I didn't vote for House of Whip-Quard last time, so I'm not going to vote for it now. I'm going to go with demons. By the way, I like the fact that it took over two hours that finally get interesting. Four on ten. Pedro, you're the decision maker here.

Well, one of the things that we haven't talked about in demons is the awesome score by Goblin, which I think it was just Clio Clius and Menetti at this time, but that's another thing that adds to his charm. Besides the soundtrack, of course, that we talked about in the previous round. So I'm going to go with demons on this one. Nice. I find of good reasons. Demons, it is.

The winner. All right. Now we're going to move on to Switchblade Sisters or Riccio. I'm pretty sure I know the winner to this one. Guys, we want to just do a... Do we want to just save some time and say five up? Yeah.

Okay, five up. Everybody's voting for Ricky? I second. Or I fifth it, whatever. Yeah, I'll go that way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I'll Rick you all it is All right Ricky all it is Bye-bye switchblade sisters There you go Save you guys some time All right

Moving on Moving on Um Zombie or Bloodsucking freaks Don, what do you think? Oh God

Oh jeez Zombie versus Shark Don Yeah I got to go That one Zombie versus Shark zombie all right

Derek zombie versus shark there's nothing else splinter and I zombie Pedro yeah

woman versus a keyhole definitely gonna go with a zombie here all right Gary there's no way this is not going through

so I'm going to go I'm gonna go with the end crowd and I'm gonna say zombie The end crowd Gotta make it cool Matthew I can't in good conscience say anything other than zombie So I have to go with zombie Oh Garrett do we have a clean sweep

I can go and go get conscious and say blood-sucking freeze Even though I know it's not gonna go through But I like I like the fun of that one Yeah there's your part and salty being salty move I'll say bloodsucky freaks all right well zombie wins it and your vote

doesn't matter I award you zero points they got to have mercy on your soul that bracket by the way is going to be tough in the next round that's gonna be hard oh yeah it's getting tough it's Ricky O versus zombie later on so just get ready oh Jesus Christ

all right you guys you guys ready? It's getting real now. Okay. So we're at the third round here. We've got the big dollhouse versus maniac. Garrett.

Oh, my God. I got to start this off. I mean, it's a maniac. We'll win out every time. I'll go with maniac. Matthew. I agree. I've got to go with maniac. Okay. Pedro. Maniac. It is. Derek I'm going

Big Dollhouse on this one All right, nice Gary For the sheer fact That for black mama White Mama over the big dollhouse I have to go with Maniac Ah, okay

All right, Don I don't know I'm sorry my voice says my vote's going to probably be maniac, but I love Big Dollhouse. I'm a maniac. Everybody's going to vote it anyway. Yep, yep. It's going on anyway.

All right. So, Don, why don't we let you start the next one, dude? The untold story versus coffee. Untold story. All right. Untold story. Matthew. Coffee.

Nice. Derek coffee Gary this Jack Hill joint wins coffee over all the bunches I love the other one

yeah coffee wins all right Garrett yeah coffee on this sitting as well all right Pedro coffee it is okay yes indeed coffee it is moving on

so I like it like I like my women Oh yeah that's when I started to change after I watched coffee. All right. So we're going to move on to... Never go back. Vampiros, Lesbos, versus demons.

No shit. Those two together? Okay, all right. All right. Don, are these even both exploitation movies? At this point of the game, I don't really give a crap. I'm saying vampires, Lesbos. Vampiros, Lesbos.

Garrett. What was the other one? Demons. Demons was, oh, man. I'm going demons with this. All right. One for Vampiros and one for demons. Pedro?

I'm going to have to go against Vampirals less most than this one, and I'm going to go with demons. Whoa. Okay, so Pedro goes for demons. Gary? Demons. Demons? Let's see, Derek.

Oh, this is fucking hard. So you're going with Vampirals Lesbos from what you're saying right now. Which head are you thinking with? No, I'm going to... Yeah, Vampirous Lesbos. Okay. Wow. Yeah, okay.

Wow, Matthew? Vampiros Lesbos. Okay. All right, Brian. Jesus. They'll rub them. much. Demons is bad, so demons move on.

Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. I'm on bias here. Why am I, never mind. Wow, that's an upset. That can be classified as an upset, right? I had an emotional reaction there for a second. I apologize.

So I've just unmuted myself. I just unmuted myself. I was seriously debating whether or not to unfriend you. I didn't. I didn't, but I can live with it. All right. So we, let's see, we're down to three of the four and the final four. This is the main event. Main event anywhere in the country right here, folks, coming up. And what's it going to be, Riccio or zombie Pedro? Oh, that's tough. God damn it.

We start at the bottom right here. This is going on here, people? Yeah. I'm going to go with zombie, but that's a hard choice right there. I'm going with zombie. All right. Derek, is he correct? Yeah, I'm going to zombie as well. All right, zombie, Garrett.

I'll go, Ricky O. All right. Matthew. Oh, man. Rikio. Okay. Okay. Don?

Fuck. Yeah. Uh-huh. Fuck. Zombie. Zombie. Okay. Gary, this kind of comes down to you, man.

It's like picking your children, really. It really is because they're both of them. Especially for me because I picked both of them. As much as I love zombie, Rikio does not. quit, but neither disappoint. Riccio is my choice on those two. Oh, no.

You know what that means, right? Ryan. Brian. I like zombie, but just what was happening in Riccio, I got to go with Ricky O. All right. All right. Here we're going.

Here comes more hate mail people coming at you. Send it to Lance. All right. So let's see. Final four, we got Manny. Coffee, Demons, or Ricky O. So who's next? Is that you, Brian? Yep. Maniac versus coffee, we are going to start with Matt. Oh, boy. I'm going to...

That's a tough one. It should be. We're in the semis. It should be. Yeah, you're in the semis. So you had a... I'm going to make, you know, the three-point shot in the final, you know, in the final second goes to coffee. Oh, okay, okay. Garrett. Joe Spinella is 2-0 against Pam Greer.

I'll go with Maniac. Oh. It's going to be tough. That came from. I mean, okay. I mean, Pam Gere ever did Joe Spinnett? Well, wasn't he against the prison movie earlier? Wasn't it maniac against that one?

Or am I thinking of him something? Big dog out of maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, you got it, Garrett. All right, Pedro. I'm going to go with Maniac.

And that's only because of my preference. I mean, if you gave me to choose a movie, I would rather watch Maniac than Coffee. So I'm going with Maniac. All right, Don. Sorry, Pam, I got to do this, but Maniac. Ouch. Wow.

All right. Woo, this. So Manich in the final. No. I hope you don't run into her at a convention, Don. I hate to do this, but yeah, I got to pick that one. Hey, Derek. Yeah, Maniac.

And Gary. Where are we out with this? Maniac versus coffee. Maniac has four. Coffee has one, so. I'm not even going to go with the crowd. I pick coffee. I know it's going to lose, but whatever.

I pick coffee. I'm sorry. Yeah. All right. And over to the other side of the bracket, Demons versus Rikki. Looks like that Cinderella story is about to end for demons. Bottlesprack midnight for demons, I'm afraid.

Gary. What was it again? Demons versus what? Ricky. Oh my God. This is rougher than the other one. God damn. Oh, really? Okay.

All right. It is. It really is. Um, shit. Ricky O. All right. Derek. Fuck.

This is like picking which one you love better. It is like picking your children. Fuck. I go demons. Fuck it.

Don's blood is boiling right now. I could feel Don's blood boiling to know anything. How? I'm muted. I was muted. How the hell could you hear that? I could sense it from here, Don.

There's a disturbance in the force. His toes are crawled up. as much as they could be right now. He's screaming at us while he's me. All right, Don. What's your pick? Ricky. Pedro?

I'm going to go with demons. My boy, I'm going to see it to the end. Interesting game. All right. Garrett. Demons here as well. Oh, shit. And Matt.

Riccio. Lance. You're going to be a tie-breaker for the this one. This is going to be weird because I've seen demons recently and I absolutely love it. You, I've never fucking seen back. We're losing on this. This is not really fair.

Wait a minute. You want to have any skin in the game here? I'm going to vote for Ricky, man. Let's go with Ricky. We'll get Ricky up against Maniac. can see who comes out on top. Brian, who would you have voted for? Oh.

All right. If I had to go with what I liked the best, I would have to go with demons. Then I guess demons wins, right? Demons has got to take it if we all voted. All right. Sorry, Don. Yeah. So is it demons moving ahead?

Yeah. All right. Demons and maniac. All right, Phil. All right. We're in the fire. This will decide it all. Demons and Maniac.

Garrett. Fuck. You guys, you know, I didn't know what you guys were meant talking about earlier about picking the kids because it was an easy choice. Some easy choices earlier, but this is fucking tough. Oh, my God. Just think of that Goblin soundtrack busted in the beginning with the train. Yeah. With the inspector gadget.

Do, do, do. That's right. You know what? I never picked up on that show. You just said it right now. I'm going to go. I've shown so much love to both these films this entire podcast. I'll go with demons.

Oh, demons. Matthew. Jesus. I got to put myself, let's say, you hold a gun to my hand and say, I can only watch one of these movies. for the future, the other ones removed from existence. Desert Island movie.

Yeah, I gotta go with the Desert Island scenario. And in that case, I think because it just gets everything right, it also gets everything wrong and the quote, quote, best sense, it's maniac. Okay, that makes sense.

Let's see. Pedro, I'm going to go with demons. All the way. It's going to be a close one. The Cinderella story. Let's keep it going. Cinderella story. Don, I already know who you're going to vote for, but what do you think?

So don't get me wrong. This is not because I don't like demons. I gave the film a 10 out of 10, all right? So it's not that I don't like the movie. Can't beat that. Yeah. But is it exploitation, right? That's the whole thing about it.

I mean, it's better than maniac. Well, the thing is, is that it just feels it's so mainstream. Like, that's the whole thing that, for me, it's like it doesn't really have, like, as grimy and dirty a feel for it. And that's the only reason why I haven't been voting for it, and that's the only reason why I'm not voting for it now. It's maniac. All right. Okay. Two for demons.

Two for maniac. Uh, Gary? Oh, yeah. Darn. Much like the rest of these guys. It's really hard. Um. Hmm.

You can't say, okay, which one would I turn on with a group of friends that I've never seen neither? And, you know, which one would turn them on more? You got to go for that feel. And I feel it's a slight on all of us that Larry Cohen or, or what do you call? No, Larry Cohen or H.G. Lewis hasn't made it on these brackets. Oh, I see, yeah. That's a slight on all of us. But I digress.

Maniac is the more exploitive of the two. So I go maniac. All right, maniac. Derek, you're a decision maker. Yeah, man. I'm going to have to go with the one that feels a little more dirty and grimy and a little more sweaty. And that's maniac. Well, again, more groundbreaking.

All right, Maniac wins it. Yeah. All right. I think right. Yeah, I think I think it's considered, I think the right movie won. I think it was... I don't know. I think this would have been funny.

This would have been fun if it was Maniac versus Reggiele. Yeah, well, we almost got there. Yeah, if you would have done your fucking homework, Lance. That's right. Sorry, man. I just love demons so much. I do, too. I mean, like I said, I gave it 10 out of 10.

So it's not like I don't think it's not worthy of all the love and affection. I got the damn 4K Blu-ray of the set, okay? It's not like I don't love the film. So, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. I think Maniac was a good win. But Maniac takes the crown. Yep. It's our best exploitation film ever.

Say it a lot. It could join Birddemic next to the list of past winners. Maybe Maybe for next March Madness, Pedro, we'll do best elevated horror movie. Oh, boy. Oh, I'm in there.

Direction. Silence of the lambs will take that one, I think. Art House Horror. And then we also had Best Kill, which was won by the cycle of shower scene, I remember. That's right. A couple years ago, yeah. Best on-screen genitals. Cut or uncut, people, you know.

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Oh god Oh god Terrerber With you up there on that list Yes All right guys That's the end of it today As always we want to thank you

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