The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #307: International Horror - France: Inside (2007) & Martyrs (2008)

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

This week, we head to France to check out some extremist horror. Cool of the Week includes Moon Knight, Frontiers, and Everything Everywhere All at Once. Trailers this week are The Baby and On the Trail of UFOs: Night Visitors. The podcast spotlight shines on Spoils of Horror. And we get feedback from Jordan Skipper Jr., Anwer Olia, Xim Vader, Lyle Huckins, and Al Ramseur. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A

Heidi fucking ho, boys. This is Dana D. Lorenzo, aka Kelly Maxwell from Ash versus Evil Dead. And you're listening to The Horror Returns. Download that shit, motherfucks. Greetings, victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear,

who glorify goal, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners, beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back one and all to the horror. returns. I'm Lance and with me as always are my co-host Brian and Phillip. How's it going guys? It is going. Brian, you guys getting any warm weather at all? Uh, probably not warm to you guys,

but warm to me. Yeah. Everything's starting to melt. So, that's good. That's good. We're getting, uh, attacked by pollen up here in the woodlands area, like yellow cars and fucking, you know, you move your, Wind show wipers when you turn your car on and there's fucking leaves and pollen and all kinds of shit floating off of them. My allergies have been going nuts, so that makes sense. Oh, yeah. A lot of that, a lot of that going around. All right. So my wife was just gifted with a very nice big screen TV or birthday from all the kids. They got together and got her big screen. So, awesome.

Very nice. Very nice. Now we didn't need any. electrician to mount it for us. Gotcha. All right. So, y'all want to jump into Cool of the Week? Yeah. Yeah, I guess so, man, I've got

some shitty cool little weeks. I'm sorry. My wife is watching TV, and so I'm watching with her. We were watching God damn it. It's that it's like that blind date show on Netflix that just came out, the ultimatum. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah.

No, it's the follow up to that other fucking horse shit. Yeah, it's got like the same hosts and stuff as Nick Lachey. 98 degrees fame. Oh, for fuck's sake, man. I get sucked into them, man. They're interesting. That, is it cake? Oh, I actually, I've heard that was kind of interesting, man.

Do you like it or is it just boring? No, I like it. It's funny. Yeah. I've actually heard. things about it. Like, it's very surprising how much they can make a cake look like something that, like a bowling ball or something like that. Yeah. No, I saw like a tweet about it or something, and it sounded funny. And so I was like, man, this looks stupid, but I guess I'll check it out.

And yeah, it kept my attention. All right. So is that, is that the cool of the week or is the Nick DeShay the week? The real cool of the week, I think, is going to be Moon Night episode two. Ah, okay, say nothing, please, say nothing. All right. I don't think it's as good as the first episode. It got maybe a little bit corny, but I think it's still going to be a good show. I have hope for it. Nice.

All right. My Cool of the Week is easy, Brian. So I can wipe it right out because I know you get 12 Amityville movies, right? Okay. All right. My Cool of the Week, guys, is. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's going to be my favorite film of the year. I made it to the theater for everything, everywhere, all at once.

I will say absolutely nothing about it. I don't want to give anything away. I will say that for an out, for a two hour and 22 minute long movie, it's like almost a two and a half hour movie. It honestly felt like I was in and out of the theater in like an hour. That's how frenetic and fast moving the film. film was and there was always something going on. I was shocked with how much outstanding humor was in the movie.

Basically, it was a straight-up, you know, multiverse movie. It was a straight-up sci-fi movie. It was a straight-up kung fu movie. It was a straight-up action movie. And it was a straight-ahead comedy movie. Extremely well done. And one of the best written films that I've seen in many a year. I have a question about it.

Well, I was telling Kupka earlier, he said, should I go see it in the theater? And I told him it was, it's probably my favorite movie since Midsamar. Wow. It'll give you an idea how much I liked it. So I will give nothing away. But if you have a question, I will try my best to answer. Yeah, just, does it have a plot that makes sense? Makes perfect sense.

Yes. Okay, because it doesn't look like it does. Yeah. No, no, it totally does. everything it's in it's in three acts right okay so it's chapter one

everything chapter two everywhere chapter three all at once so it's kind of done that way it is an A24 film but it never gets super pretentious it's like always down to earth and it's very funny it's very heartwarming

and if you don't shed a tear a couple of times then you probably don't have a heart because it's very heartwarming as well. So great movie. It's got everything. I don't know what else to say. It's literally got everything.

Cool. All right. It's me. Yep. All right. You know where we're going. Going to Amityville. Oh, no.

Okay. Vibrator? Not, I haven't found that yet. Okay. I bet you there is one. There is one. Yeah. There is an Hamidivilibrator.

what was it Amityville Exorcist Now I'm gonna tell you the plot Okay And this is something that somebody actually wrote And filmed Some a guy I'm assuming he's a carpenter or something Worked at the Amityville house

Is his name Jesus? No Okay And he brings the leftover lumber Back to his house So now his house so now his house and his daughter are possessed from the leftover lumber

now I can't I can't really write your call Congressman I can't really fault this movie compared to the other ones because at least they tried to connect it even though it's the most ridiculous way did they okay yeah A second Amityville movie.

Amityville clown house. Isn't there a movie called clown house and wasn't it a rapist that made the movie? Yeah, we're not talking about that one. A couple good spots I can say about this. They actually do include the Amityville House. Oh, the literal house. They filmed the actual house. Okay.

Mark Patton that played Jesse in. Nightmare on Street 2. Oh, okay. Yeah, he does a cameo in it, and there is a nice head explosion from a shotgun that you get in the movie.

I thought it was pretty cool. Other than that, I couldn't really pay attention to the movie, because nothing really was going on. Right? As with most, so. Amityville. Yikes.

Two more down, and my cool of the week is basically the topic of tonight's show. New wave French, what is it? Extremity, extreme or whatever. I kind of went down the rabbit hole because I tried to, I looked up online to see if there was a list

like the top, you know, the top, you know, exclusion of the ones we're talking about. And the ones I checked out was one I've seen before. I rewatched it, high tension. Oh yeah Yep That's not a bad one actually

And then I watched Frontiers Never heard of that one It sounds familiar I don't know if I've ever seen it Which I recommend Frontier fully Okay And I checked out This one was the hard watch

Because it has a 10 plus minute rape scene That's very violent And that's irreversible Boy the French have the run style Don't they? Oh, my God. And it's...

Lots of rape and lots of blood. It's... Yeah. It's... It's over 10 minutes, and it's brutal. It's... He's beating her at the same time. Yeah.

Well, again. You see in the back... Because they're in one of those... Oh, you... Kind of tunnels that, you know, you cross through, you know, to get to another street or something. Yeah. And in the background, yeah, in the background, you can see people walking into the tunnel and seeing what's going to...

on and you think they're going to help but they just turn around and go the other way. So that one's, I recommend it, but if you're, if that kind of stuff is kind of hard to watch, then you might want to pass on that one. Well, that's, it seems to be what the French horror thing is. It's like Italian horror, but more uncomfortable. And they say, they say Americans are bad at not helping their neighbors out. Shit. And then I watched, uh, the last one I watched, um, is, called them, which is supposed to be based off a true story.

Okay. I think I've seen that one. I can't remember. Where the couple in like a I don't know if they're on vacation or they just live in the country somewhere or away from everybody and then they start being harassed and terrorized by someone which they do a real good tab

and not really showing you until the very end. Yeah. And you don't see who's doing it until the very end. The most you get is like kind of hooded figures or in the shadows. what, you know, they're carrying flashlights. And then at the end, you see who it is, and you're just not really expecting who was going to be.

Okay. And it's pretty crazy that it was based off of an actual incident that happened. So I think, I believe all these are streaming on Amazon. All right. Definitely, if you're not the faint of heart with, like I said, rape and extreme violence and bloody, gore, when some of these had, then check out new French extremity.

I think I feel like I'm saying that wrong. No, that sounds right. Yeah, French. You have to say it in French. Extermity. Wee, we, extremity. Two glasses in high school. I could not tell you.

Yeah. So all I remember is, Lauch, fait attention. Fentat attention. And I looked up to see if they still do it, because a lot of these films came out a while ago. And I guess they're saying, like, Raw and Titan would kind of go into that. Yeah, I feel like they do. Well, I mean, and Raw wasn't really as extreme as people made it out to be.

No. We were bored out of her mind with that. I feel like those movies are like the A-24 of French extremity. Right. Yeah. That makes sense. But yeah, you know, that very bloody, raw, real look to it that the French movie seemed to have. Well, that one, was it called Revenge, the one we watched.

Oh, yeah. That one was fucking awesome. That was a really good movie. That was on one of the list, too. Okay. And it had some uncomfortable scenes. Yeah, and lots of blood. So out of all of these, Brian, what was the, what was the, what?

was the cool of the week, which gets the crown? Irreversible. No, no, no, no, no. Irreversible was that's one of the kind of themes that kind of turned me away from movies. Yeah. A little too much.

If you're going to have it in the movie, there better be, somebody better get their comeuppance at the end. Oh, no. I've seen movies where yeah. It's kind of got away. And I was just kind of bummed. I'm going to go front tier.

That one. Frontiers. All right. Cool of the week. Frontiers. All right. That one is a crazy one. Young teenagers rob a bank or something.

They go hide out at a... It's kind of like a hotel out in the middle of nowhere. And the people there are Nazis. So... Oh! We're a video. That part. That part's not going on YouTube.

That would have lived on forever on the internet. But yeah, that one was... You already hate me enough, man. And it proves the point that Nazis make great villains. Great villains. They do. Of course. It's the ultimate villain. Oh, speaking of which, we're re-watching all the Marvel movies. We watched Captain America the First Avenger this week.

That's a good one. Ooh, that is a great one. Speaking of Nazis. I always heard they were into some weird shit, man. And they talk about them alive with the UFO community. Absolutely. Yeah. Not to mention the Lost Dark of the Covenant, right?

Yeah. Wasn't Hitler, like, fascinated with, like, the occults and stuff like that? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, like factual, they definitely were into some weird shit. whether it was UFOs or not, I don't know. But that's what they say from relatively credible sources.

I don't know if it's proven true or not, but it's creepy. Sounds believable to me. So, Brian, you got any horror headlines for us this week? Yeah, probably not. No, it's been slow, slow. Okay. We've got some of our Blockbuster's coming out soon. Oh, yeah, it's that time.

Lock and Key on Netflix gets the third season, and it will be the series finale, final season. I forgot about that show. Is it still on? Yeah, never seen an episode. Yeah. A show that I really did like when it was on Black, Orphan Black. Oh, yeah.

I've heard you things. I haven't watched it. The main actress that plays all the clones in it, Tantiana Mislani. she's She Hulk now. Oh, okay. And I remember she was up for, before Daisy Ridley got the role of Ray, she was up for it. So.

But they are doing... Pretty swole? No, that's going to be CGI. Oh, man. Well, I know. Oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Right.

AMC Plus has greenlit a sequel series titled Orphan Black Echoes. so I don't I never watched the final season and it just kind of slipped away so I'm not sure if it's actors are coming back for it or it's just a whole new story but

okay she did a great job she played many different personalities because she was there was like 10 clones of her okay why not right yeah

uh Negan he's going to star in the evil ventriloquist doll horror film called Felix. Where he plays Negan. I still like him. I'll watch it. Lance,

going back to a discussion we had, I believe, what Darien was on here. The Crow. Yeah? Been revived. Yet again? Yet again. I've been hearing that.

Is that real this time? it seems to be moving forward they have cast bill scars guard who was pennywise which i i kind of see it if they're going to go for like a darker more moody because he he plays creepy right yeah i guess that's true the brandon lee one was more like an action movie yeah this one you could go more horror more dark and depressing and I'm familiar with her work, her music. I've heard some of her music. I'm not sure if I'm going to pronounce her name.

F-K-A Twigs, have you guys heard of R&B singer? No. He dropped some knowledge on me there, man. She is also cast as, I'm assuming she's the female lead, that if you've seen the crow dies. causes him to give revenge. So I did. Spoiler alert.

I have booboies, you know. But I did look her up. She was the one that, I don't have to say allegedly, but because it's been proven, the one shy Leboof abused. Oh. He had to basically apologize

and tried to say he wasn't in the right state of mind. Hmm. That guy's not fucking crazy. Yeah, I was about to say. not good. So, I don't want to end it off that. So let me see.

Come on, come on, Shia. Don't do us like that, man. Shit. We might have to end it on that. I don't see any. And on that note. Yeah,

that's it. Okay. All right. Well, before long, where is Shai Laboof going to be living? he gonna be let down in the trailer park

Philip Brian's gonna bring us the big the small and sometimes the very very weird what's our first new trailer tonight we're gonna go

with the HBO series the baby this is being they're really running out of ideas huh this is being built as a horror comedy this follows

Natasha, who is furious with her closest friends are having babies. But when I'm sorry, but when she unexpectedly landed with a baby of her own, her life dramatically implodes and twists her life into a surreal horror show. I didn't see this one. Sorry, guys.

I didn't watch these trailers. Boo. Y'all are on your own. I like the tagline. It says, A Little Terror, the Baby. I'm into it. because I think it's a limited series, so it's not going to be stretched out. Right.

It looks strange as hell. I do like a good comedy horror. Right. And I just want to know because there's a... A baby actually lands in her hands out of this time. And they don't really show the baby doing evil shit. Right. In the trailer, they just allude.

to the baby may be causing some stuff. But then again, it might be this lady thinking. Oh, okay. Maybe she didn't really want to be a mother. She's just seeing everybody else have a baby. Yeah, but there's like other people talking to her about it. Yeah, true. So like maybe they see it too?

I don't know, man. Yeah, it does look pretty interesting. I'm not mad at this one. Yeah, I think the strangeness of it kind of draws me to it. it. I'll probably wait till it's done so I can binge it because I'm not, this seems like one of those I'd get frustrated, but the once a week thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is actually probably a pretty good sign of a good show. Yeah. Let's see. This one comes out April 24th, so this month. Okay. And the last one, sorry, guys got to pull it up here. on the trail of UFOs night visitors uh philip documentary

philip take it away oh man this is your area i thought you were just posting that clip i didn't actually watch that one i'm sorry oh no no philip god damn but yes if it's a if it's a if it's a UFO and alien documentary i am definitely watching yeah yeah guarantee listen some of that stuff they throw at you is unproven and you know speculation

some of it's not okay pull up the synopsis crypted filmmaker Seth Breedlove and paranormal researcher Shannon LaGrode

continue their search for the truth behind the enigma of unidentified flying objects delving into subjects of the mothman, flatwoods monster, hollow earth Intred, cold, and eyewitness encounters.

Well, they're taking it all on, huh? It's not just UFOs. They're talking about everything. I haven't... I know of the hollow earth thing. I haven't looked into that one at all. I've heard of it. Like dinosaurs inside the earth, or what?

Oh, like Godzilla versus Kong. Yeah, like Godzilla. I guess that's what it is. I don't know. I haven't looked into it at all. But that's a fun one to look into. I like watching that. out of her shit, man. It's funny.

Oh, why not? I don't believe it at all, but it's fun to watch you know what some people think. And sometimes it goes way too far. So this is a series then? Not a movie then? It says documentary.

Okay. And it's coming on streaming or we're not sure. We check right here because it's saying it's on 2B. Yeah. Oh, 2B. Well, that's all we need to know, right? I feel like I probably come across that one, and I didn't click on it because it was Hollow Earth,

because I was really into the alien thing and looking at UFO stuff. And I was like, man, if we're talking about shit that's not serious, I don't want to watch stuff that's talking about real UFO stuff. Yeah, I do. I do know that every time we mention Tubby now, we have to send 0.001 cent Australian to Super Mercy. Tubey, 2by, 2by. Yeah.

It is streaming on 2B. Indeed. There you go. And also they have another documentary about Bigfoot on here.

All right. You see. That's where it's hard to watch those shows. They actually have three documentaries on Bigfoot. I mean, they're fun.

I like to watch them. What was the what was the Bobcat Goldthwaite directed movie about Bigfoot? Willow Creek. Yeah, Willow Creek. That was actually pretty decent. Yeah, he's a pretty good director.

Yeah. Man, I wish I could do a Bobcat Goldthwaite. I would... He can't even do it now. He can't. Oh, I was watching some thing, and they were asking him about the voice

and all that that he used to do, and he said, like, he, he hasn't done it so long that it's almost hard for him to do to the point where he can't really do it because he kind of tried to get away from all that pretty good well I remember we had Bob Kett Gauthwaite and then you guys remember do you guys remember emo Phillips yeah look up look up like he always talked like this oh what are you talking about here Yeah, no, and then of course he had Sam Kinnison. He had fucking Sam Kittison, you fucking bitch!

Fuck you! Do you guys know that he was like a preacher or something before? I had heard that. And then he had an accident, right? Yeah, and then he became the Sam Kittison, we know. Roseanne, too. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, she was like super, like, I think she was in the math and all kinds of shit. Yeah. Then she got like hit by a car or something. Jesus Christ. And he turned her super impulsive, which made her really funny. Right? Oh, I know this guy.

This is Emo Phillips. Emo Phillips. Yeah. He was a trip during his day. All right. Where are we going to end the trailer park on Emo Phillips? Oh, but speaking of Seth Rogan, now that you said it, I got a thing to add to cool the week. I did watch Pam and Tommy.

Oh. Oh, was that show? Dude, it's really good. I wasn't excited about watching it at all, and then I got into it, and I couldn't stop watching it. The guy from Fresh was playing Tommy, right? Yeah. Bucky Barnes, that's right. Yeah, Bucky was playing Tommy Lee, which is hard to accept it first, and even towards the end,

he still looks weird because he doesn't look like Tommy Lee at all. But the chick that did Pamelae Anderson, she nailed it Amala Anderson yeah she looked just like her yeah

it was great and it was more about the controversy behind the video getting out than it was about just Pam and Tommy you know

okay so it was it was interesting and each episode kind of covers a different person point of view oh cool

yeah I might check it out it's on Hulu right yeah Yeah, I think it was Hulu, yeah. I was waiting on it because I didn't hear of Stephen Loblad say anything about it, and he's a big Motley crew fan.

Yeah. Big time. So I'm kind of figured if he wasn't watching it or saying anything about it. I think I messaged him, and he said it sucked. So there you go. Well, no, like it wasn't bad. I'm sure Tommy Lee probably is the asshole they made him out to be. Oh, okay.

Maybe that offended. Maybe that offended Loeblad. But then they kind of show his perspective, too. There's even sort of a half-ass Motley crew cameo in there. Really? Yeah, where they've got, like, different people playing Vince Neal and Nikki Six and stuff. Okay, right. And they're only in there for a minute, but it was kind of cool to see because I'm a big Motley

crew fan too. Okay, cool. Was it like that decline of Western civilization? Part 2, the Metal Years documentary where they were all writing in the back of a limo that had a hot tub in the limo up and down Hollywood Boulevard. Have you seen that? I've seen the clips from that. No, it's not like that at all. It's mostly about the relationship.

All right. And then really the main character is Seth Rogen. No shit. That stole the tape. And he was a contractor that got fucked over by Tommy Lee. I got you. Okay. Yeah.

All right. So, I don't know. It was a cool story. Nick Offerman is in it. Worth to watch then. Yeah. Offerman? Who the hell does he play?

He plays like a porn director or something. He was like the mastermind behind the distribution of the tape. Yeah. Distributed it and make money off of it, huh? Yeah. I can see that. I mean, Nick Offerman is a porn producer. How can you not watch that?

And Bucky is top of me. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Got to check that one out. And then I think the girl that played Pamela Anderson, my wife tells me she played Cinderella at some point. Mm-hmm. The live action Cinderella for Disney.

Yeah. Ah, okay. So Lily James? Yeah, Lance. She was the baby driver, the girl in the cafe. Yeah. I think that's her name. I think Lily James is her name.

I could be wrong, but you know, someone will correct me. She went from Cinderella to Pam Anderson. Right. With like good scenes and everything. Really? Yeah. Okay. I'm sold now.

Had to get to the queue here. And, but she totally kills it, man. She pulls it off. She does really well. Looks an axe just like her, huh? Yeah. Bring some heart to it, you know. Added it to the list.

All right, Brian. What do you think about the UFO thing? I'll check it out. You know, I'm interested. You know, I don't know shit about anything. So I don't really go with people saying, you know, oh, it's fake or whatever. Like, where's your proof that it's not real, you know? Sure, sure.

Like all that stuff, I think, is interesting, even the Bigfoot stuff, because we don't know. I'm sure the people that actually found Bigfoot probably got killed by Bigfoot. That's why no one ever. Got it. Got eaten. I mean, I would have figured there'd be some remains or something, but I don't know. I mean, it seems to decompose in the jungle. I mean, we used to have dinosaurs, so we have to have something somewhere.

That's true. Decompose in the jungle. Fucking alligators alone. Yeah, weird enough. But I'm into it, especially, I didn't even know it was out yet, but now it's like to be. All right. More money. More money we're giving away.

We might as well check it out. It's free, right? Well, if it's on 2B, I'll watch it because 2B is free. Right? Not for us because I keep saying it, but, you know. How long do you guys think before they have a paid tier on there? I don't know. I mean, they haven't yet.

I mean, what's funny is that a lot of the times, and I've noticed this too when I listen to the Super Network, when they do their 2B Tuesday show. I've noticed a lot of the time they'll say, holy fucking shit, it's the same goddamn douche commercial. It's been the third time in a row. It's like,

so they can't be getting, they can't be selling that many ads, right? If they're showing the same commercial every fucking break, right? On mine, I don't get the same commercial. The only thing that makes me mad is there's like 10 minutes left of the movie and they'll cut to a commercial.

I know. They do that, like every time. Yeah. Every fucking time, dude. But I mean, you can't be a bad business model. I mean, how many millions of subscribers do they have? Right.

All the people are showing ads from YouTube's doing it now. Yeah. Are they? From movies that they probably are super cheap to get. Another good one is IMDB TV.

They're basically. Oh, they kill. They kill you. I don't know about that. A couple of times I've seen IMDB TV movies. It's like, fuck this shit. It's like more commercials than movies. If I wanted this, I'd just go back to network TV again.

Yeah, that's a problem with Hulu. And the commercials are like three times as loud as the fucking movie. That's why Hulu. Hulu is definitely worth paying for the commercial free version. Well, all right. We're stealing it from my FBI sister-in-law at the moment. I'm probably going to say that. Whatever words.

Is it feedback time? Yep. Feedback. All right. This week for the podcast spotlight, we shine on spoils of horror. Stephen and Leo set out on a blood-soaked gamble to make each other watch horror movies and share nightmares they see. No reviews, just horror movie hangouts inviting you to crack. jokes and share the love of horror that's classic, gory, lost,

and bizarre. Episodes release on Wednesday, check it out. Sounds like fun, actually. This week's episode was Blacula. Oh, nice. Spoils of horror? So what do they do? What do they do? Just bullshit?

They don't give it a review or rating or something like that, huh? They review it. They talk about the movie. Well, I mean, they say it's not a review. I mean, talking about the movie. I tell people I don't, I'm not a reviewer. I just fucking bullshit. Yeah.

Make fun of it. That's the best part. I'm going to check it out. Spoils of horror. Like the spoils of war. Yeah. Gotcha. All right.

And we have a post from a T-shirt recipient to Vars Ellis. All right. Yeah. And the legend. People really do win. Yeah. He posted it to our Facebook group, so check that out. It says, winning the Horror Returns T-shirt contest definitely came in a much-needed, much needed to me since my Houston Texans and Houston Rockets have been, have losing seasons. But thank you, Lance, Brian, Kevin, and Philip. You guys. The Rockets. Oh, it's, yeah.

Well, and the Texans have got more problems. and I don't know what to do with this. Oh, yeah, no shit. Yeah. I think the Rockets are going to rebuild way before the Texans do. Yeah. I try to like them, but I'm also true blue cowboys. Yep, well, it is what it is.

All right. And regarding the new 4K collector's edition of Candyman, Jordan Skipper Jr. gives us an awesome gift of the OG Candyman. Check that out. It's on the Facebook group. Really, what I'm telling you in this feedback is to go check out the Facebook group. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Because it's awesome, and those guys are hilarious.

Regarding Anthony Perkins, such a perfect casting for Norman Bates. Is there anything else he's done that's worth checking out? An answer is Oliah provided a link to a 1962 Perkins film called The Trial, directed by Orson Wells. Oh, wow. I've never heard of that. Some, definitely got some, that's a couple of professionals between Orson Wells and Anthony Perkins for sure.

Street bread. I'll watch that. Yeah, check it out. I wonder if it's on Tubey. Probably. I'm looking right now. What's it called the trial? The trial, yeah.

Okay, it's got to be worth to watch. fan. And Zim Vader says, what did you guys think of the stand? The original 90 ones, the original 90s one with Gary Seneas.

I always thought it was the best King movie, but I don't know what the general thoughts are of the horror community. Ooh, the 90s one. What do you think, Lance,

you're a Stephen King expert. I don't know if it was the best King movie. Is he saying it's the best King movie of all time? Like more than the Shining or, I mean, is he just flat out saying it is the best King movie or the best King miniseries?

Because there's a difference, right? Yeah. Well, what about the miniseries? Is there a, well, it was a miniseries. Right. I mean, I loved it. I love the mini series for the stand, but the stand is my favorite novel of all time for any writer.

And I've read the book several times. I reread it. just because there was a new new miniseries of the stand coming out which a lot of people fucking hated but I loved so all things stand I'm in so I may not be too far off

from you there Zam I as far as actual Stephen King movies obviously we can't forget the wonderful remake of um well I don't know if you can Put new stuff, you know what I mean? No.

All kidding aside, the shining was the shining was a masterpiece. But Salem's Lot. Oh, yeah, Shawshank, Green Mile. Yeah. Green Mile was amazing. Misery. Stand by me. Yeah, misery.

I guess Misery would win that one for me. That would probably be my favorite, favorite king film of all time. But yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great miniseries. And a lot of it was because it stuck so close to the book. So I think that's probably what Zemm's referring to, is that it was very, very close to the book, especially in a lot of scenes.

So, yeah, it's definitely up there. See, and I've never gone back and watched this since the 90s, but in the 90s, I mean, I guess I was relatively young, but the stand didn't do it for him. man, I thought it was cheesy. Yeah? Yeah. Have you read the book?

No. Yeah. See, that might make a difference. I mean, nothing will ever compare to the book for me. Right. But I was happy. Well, I was happy with both miniseries. Now, let's talk about what he did or what, you know, these motherfuckers that got a hold of it did with a dark tower, right?

So the dark tower is like a series of like 10 books that, like, each book could easily be a any series, right? So it could have easily been like a, say, a 10-season, you know, six-episode per-season series, right? And still not touched on everything in the book. And to try to fucking cram it into a goddamn hour-and-48-minute movie with fucking McConaughey playing The Dark Man is just... You got to leave out a lot of a 40-D-John.

It was a slap in the face, man. Yeah. It really was. But there's been some good king, and as we also talked about last week, there's been some bad king. So I would definitely put the stand on the good end of the spectrum, for sure. Okay. All right. And in case you didn't know, Christopher Walken had a birthday.

All right. Yeah. I don't know how the fuck old he is, 153. Something like that. Lyle Huckin says, happy birthday. all right real quick the trial is on

the peacock it's on the car there you go it's on the cock got the cock all right regarding blood support you got

you got to read it Philip all all feedback look number one we have an e rating that means explicit

okay yeah you'll never know what you're going to hear and I love this I have some questions about this next. I know. I can't wait.

We got to talk about this. And Al, I know you're listening. So you can chime in again and help us out with what we didn't quite understand of what you were getting at. So this is, I swear to God, what it says, I'm not. It's not because I'm drunk. Regarding blood support, Al Ramsewer says, I'll suck her. pussy that my girl Rihanna I seen her in prison

I'm not disagreeing with him first of all if we're talking about it in prison I think it says in person oh in person oh okay all right well okay well that part was I did

fuck that up but all right let's redo our statement I'll suck her pussy that my girl Rihanna I've seen her in person there you go okay is she in blood sport

I don't think she was even born when bloodsport came out I doubt it what are we getting at now was there a remake I know there was a blood sport too but I don't even know if she was born

when that came out I don't know well I'm pretty sure she wasn't in it do you think Hey, do you guys think that Al just kind of drunk messaged her Facebook group that night or what? Because God knows I've done that before. Probably a mistake. Yeah, I don't think this was supposed to be posted on posting about blood sports.

Well, which means we probably shouldn't be reading it here, but it's funny. So we are. It's great. Hey, hey, great. We did ask guys in all defense. for Al Ramser our man we did ask for more feedback. Well thank you for the feedback man. Hey, I can't blame you.

That's very pretty. I have not seen her in person. And she's a billionaire now. Ah, really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Offer, I think cosmetics and clothing line. Well, I will do that. I will rub her feet. I will go shopping for her. I will carry her bags.

The list goes on, gentlemen. She's a billionaire. Well, definitely not Chris Browner. Oh, no. Or Shia LaBouf, right? Aye. But of course, we always love Al, because on posting on posting of our next episode he sent a gift for a bam there you go

so al maybe you can explain the riana thing please do please we'll post that next week or come on the show man come on the show we've got we always have spots for guests when it's just the three of us it's not boring we always have fun but it's always it's always good when we get a guess so there you go and i'm curious on your view of riana Well, we know his view on Rihanna. All right. Again, though, we do need some more feedback. So even if you got some crazy shit like Al, send it in.

Brian, we got a contest going? I'm working on something. Yeah? Yeah. Something comes soon. A contest. Don't call it a contest. Don't call it a contest.

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Whatever. Close enough. We're going to check out Inside and Martyrs. We're going to start with Inside from 2007. French got subtitles and everything, but go check that one now. Four months after the death of her husband, a woman on the brink of motherhood is tormented in her home by a strange woman who wants her unborn baby. Yeah, pretty much describes it. Directors and writers are Alexandre Bustillo and Julianne Mastio and Julianne.

Murray. The movie was shot in chronological order. In the scene where the three policemen check on Sarah, you can see that the house number is 666. Well, that's not good. Is this a cult movie? What do you think, Brian? I loved it. It's a great little horror thriller.

It's very depressing. It starts out depressing. I mean, we get a car accident. killing the husband and she she has to go on. The CGI windshield wipers? Yeah, I forgave the CGI windshield wipers and the CGI baby just for what we get later. And this, that's true.

Intagonist, I think she's called LaFem. That's all she's credited as. Oh, okay. man she did a fantastic job as playing the villain in this just you don't even get her her reasons right away you know it's just all action right here she's determined to get this baby i mean just when you see her she's very like mysterious but menacing at the same time because when she appears at the window and she's taking the pictures of her you still can't see her you just see the outline of her in the shadow and then once you really get introduced to her is when she's sticking that scissors into her belly yeah yeah it just lets you know what you're getting into right away

how uncomfortable is that scene man I grabbed my belly button I was like oh my god I hate that shit yeah this this movie is violent it's a violent standoff you know between these two which you really wouldn't expect because most of the time the mother,

the pregnant woman is locked in the bathroom. Right. But a lot happens to her. And the other, I mean, those fucked up scenes in here. The scene with her mother, her mother coming up and she thought it was the lady.

That's a tragedy. Yeah, that's terrible. The fucking cops that apparently don't need to be cops. I couldn't even tell they were cops. They look like neighborhood watch security or something. Teenagers from down the street.

French cops. Defund the police, huh? They were manned. They had guns. They had riot guns. They had all batons. Right. And this one lady took them all out.

Yeah. There was a lot of it that was a little dumb. Far-fetched a little bit, you think? But I thought... Bad decisions. I think moral to the story. is if somebody like breaks into your house

and it's trying to attack you if you have them down finish them off every freaking movie true true yeah zombie land double tap yeah double tap there you go that's exactly right

make sure the job done I thought it was a straightforward story it was it was violent especially near the end the scene that that was crazy for me was when she actually had to give birth and she got to the point

where she didn't want her baby to die. So she told the lady to cut the baby out. Yeah. That was a crazy ending to a fucking crazy movie. And just that shot of her because the lady

gets, she gets burnt out. So she's just, her face is just basically not there anymore. And just that shot of her in the rocking chair holding the baby. And that's how the movie ends is fucking new French extremities fucking depressing.

And I... It's going to be fucked up. I did catch the remake. It sucks. It's Americanized remake. It's really bad. It's, they took this in they took the extreme.

It's the same story, but they took the extreme elements out of it. What? What do you mean? It just feels tame. I don't get it. I mean, how do you not cut a baby out of a person? I mean, did they take that out all together? Oh, the ending is completely different.

It's more. Oh, come on, dude. And then they add, they try to add more to it that in the accident, she also became personal deaf. She became what? I'm sorry. Partially deaf. So they tried to add that element of she can't.

really here so good. I'm like, it wasn't that extra thing wasn't even needed. Yeah, no doubt. If the movie is good enough to make an American remake of, the American remake is not going to be as good as the original movie. Yeah, generally. Yeah, like, the only thing that comes close and all that. Yeah, is that vampire one.

Okay. With the, uh, Oh, yeah, let the right one in? Let the right one in. Yeah, those were, those were both very good. Yeah. Yeah, this just seemed. like what you expect,

a watered down version of, yeah, a PG-13 remake of an R-rated. Oh, on. Wow. That's a shame. That's a shame. But,

original one I loved. I loved it. The only knock was the Philip brought it up, the windshield viper scene and the, the, the CGI baby was kind of. Yeah, we all agree on that. That,

That wasn't needed. Yeah, but this was, this movie was made in 2007, so. Yeah. And I think, I think it was on a small budget, too. Yeah. And so you have to give them a little caveat for that on the, on the CGI. Yeah, that's, that's probably really the only knock on this movie that I have, aside from, it's, like, it definitely kept my interest the whole time. but it was

maybe a lot uncomfortable and crazy as hell like this movie was nuts I didn't understand why it was happening and I would have liked to at least known that oh they say at the end do they? Yeah she the lady was I mean they explain it all

of course the lady was brilliantly in fact she was in the other car that they hit oh right yeah she lost her baby Yeah, so she wanted, she wanted hers. Yeah, I guess. I don't know, man. It was...

But, you know what? Aside from it being totally insane, it was a really good movie. They had a lot of effects. There was blood like crazy, like an Italian horror film. And it was, but more raw. So, I mean, this is kind of the essential French horror thing, you know? And I think that they definitely pulled that off. It was definitely worth a watch.

I'm glad I did. I mean, there's so many crazy scenes in here. One just popped in my head. The guy that got shot with the riot gun in his face. Yeah. The one that woke up, he's basically looking like a zombie. What was up with the zombie guy? He got shot in the face, and I think he was,

blind. And then it got crazy. It got brutal after that because he started, he started beating her and her pregnant belly. Yeah. Yeah. Out of his mind at that point, huh? But I think they may have went a little too far making him look like he was a zombie.

Yeah. I mean, I get, I get that. It didn't make a lot of sense given the circumstances. Yeah, I get he was supposed to be blinded and disoriented. They just kind of made his face look like he had risen from the dead. It's a brutal fucking movie. It's Cory and his hell. Man, yeah, you're, some of the things you guys have just talked about,

you are going to make it hard to make the point I'm trying to make here on this movie. because you're you're pointing out some stuff in that that was that was pretty fucking silly that did not need to be in there so I hadn't really even put that much credence

or thought that much about the zombie-esque looking guy right with a fucked up eyes and he'd been now what made him blinded again he got shot in the face with they had a for some reason

they had a race or something like that it was one of those riot guns okay and I think you know, that shootout, I don't know, maybe a beanbag or other bullets or something. Okay. He got shot. A point blank to the face.

Okay. See, that kind of makes sense. So yeah, he was super disoriented, but yeah, that was kind of a silly scene, right? That part, that part did almost kind of take me out of it. Um, as far as all the CGI of the baby inside of the stomach, you know, like at the very, very beginning when you thought it was the baby inside one character, but it was really, come to find out later, it was Lafemm. It was, you know, flashing back to her being in that wreck and all that.

And then when it also showed scenes, like when she, the, our protagonist was in trauma, traumatic situations, and it would show the baby inside of her, like, you know, moving around or, none of that was necessary. Had that been taken out and had the bean bag shot guy or whatever part, been taken out. This film, to me, would have been pretty damn close to a masterpiece because I really think that the way that the attention built up in this film, I think I love the fact that she was in the hospital, right?

Mm-hmm. And she sat down randomly next to that crazy nurse, right? Kind of like Nurse Ratchet there. It was sitting there chain smoking. And they're like, oh, you know you're not supposed to be smoking in here, right? And she said something to him like, yeah. Oh, fuck you. Ah, yay.

Fuck you. Our French is so bad. Let me work on it. Hold on. Oh, wee, we. Fuck you. Fuck you. And then she said in French,

at least on the version I was watching, it said twat. Is that what she does? So basically she called her a cunt or whatever. But I said, hey, you know, you silly bitch. You know, you're not supposed to be in here smoking. and I'm fucking pregnant, and other people in here are too. You're definitely not supposed to be smoking in a hospital.

Was that nurse the crazy lady that was trying to steal her baby? That was the fan, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so. I'm sure it was. Okay. And so anyway. She smoked cigarettes throughout the movie. Yeah.

You know what? And I think that was a good build. I think that was a good build up. I think that scene was really, really cool. It built up a lot of anxiety. and then you get to the point where she's like, who do I count on? Do I count on my friend?

Do I count on my mother? Do I count on this guy that's supposed to drive me to the hospital when my water breaks? And I need to, you know, go and deliver the baby or whatever. Because she had obviously lost her husband in a wreck. So she had been through that trauma. So through the whole movie, we're thinking, okay, she lost her husband. That was a very traumatic event. And, you know, we make certain assumptions.

and I think the movie played with this to make certain assumptions, not knowing that Lafam was involved in that rec two until the very, very end. And I think it was masterful the way that they finally brought that part through. But I will say this. If you had taken out the little beanbag guy guy, you know, the little, the beanbag guy, you got to quit talking. Because every time you'll say it, I think about it, I crack up now. But let me put it to this way.

If they'd taken out the bad CGI, right, of the baby and just stuck to the goddamn story and just kept it at, you know, the physical level of, you know, somebody being inside their house, this lady's trying to get in. She doesn't let her in. And by the way, there were serious shades of clockwork orange there, right? Where she was knocking on the door because it reminded me of that scene where the Alex and the droogies, show up at that door and they're knocking on the door and say, oh, excuse me, mom, please let me in. My car broke down just down the road.

Once you let me get your telephone, you know, and I thought it was kind of, you know, they brought it to, you know, modern age with the fact that she says, well, don't you have a cell phone? And she says, oh, my battery died. Okay, that makes perfect sense. But then, of course, you know, she's like, well, there's other neighbors around. And then later you find out there aren't a whole lot of neighbors around because as they made a point, As the cops made a point later, there weren't a whole lot of people, you know, I guess in town because it was Christmas Eve. They were elsewhere.

They changed that in the remake. Did they? What did they do? Remake on that? And the original, the guy that comes, her coworker, that's supposed to give a ride to the hospital the next day. Mm-hmm. Right. He is, I think he's still her coworker, but he's also her neighbor.

Oh, okay. Okay. Um, he, when he gets killed, I guess he makes a phone call back home. So she has to go next door and kill that person too. So they tried to up the body count. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not mad at that. You know, that's, I'll tell you what, I would have rather than put that little scene in here than show the CGI baby. You know, because I thought that was just silly.

But other than that, I mean, as far as the actual scenes of her being, you know, like I said, the lady approaches her. She calls the cops. She says, hey, the cops are on their way. Get the fuck out of here. The lady, you know, breaks the window, you know, with her head or whatever. So you obviously know she's crazy. And then leaves. The cops show up and they're like, oh, well, we don't know where she is. There's no one nearby, but we'll come back and check up on you later tonight. And we'll call you a couple of times. Yeah, they send neighborhood watch. Yeah, neighborhood watch. Absolutely. Neighborhood neighborhood watch.

But all they had was like the fucking little arm bands or whatever. That was kind of weird, right? It was almost like I was trying to figure out who was the cop and who was the crook, right? Yeah. Because it was almost like the guy they had arrested was just as much of a schmuck as they were.

It seemed like they weren't very professional cops for sure. But I will say this. That part of the movie, okay, when Lafayette, gets into the house, right? And she chases her into the bathroom. And then you get these scenes like where she's putting her hand out because she can kind of cut through while the lady goes downstairs. She gets a chance to try to get out.

And then like the scissors. And always when she's carrying the scissors around, that is so unsettling to me. Seeing those scissors, man. And then I thought all of that was just fucking phenomenal. That was really, really well done. I loved all the blood. the bathroom. I loved the trauma that you could tell she was in. I love the fear that they were creating. I thought her acting was phenomenal. You know, the main, the main protagonist in the

movie. She did a great job. I think, I think LaFam did a great job too. I love that black dress that she was wearing, that was super creepy looking. Yeah. I think the cops were just fucking imbeciles. I mean, how in the fuck do you have that many cops in there and every single one of gets taken down by her. It's almost like there was something supernatural here. Yeah, I'm just kind of thinking now, joking about them being neighborhood watch. I think the cops really sent like a neighborhood watch group.

It seemed like it, didn't it? Because maybe they didn't take her phone call or her saying that somebody's breaking. Maybe they didn't really take it too serious. So instead of them coming back, they sent like volunteers or something. You know what? And especially think about it on a Christmas Eve, right? Because everybody's, you know, they're probably short-staffed and everybody's at home with their family, having their Christmas goose or whatever they have in France, right?

So, yeah, I think it was, again, it was kind of a little 30 to 45-minute masterpiece of a film while she was in the bathroom. Leading up to that and the parts after that, maybe not so much. but I will tell you this when it got to the point where she had those fucking scissors and she was literally cutting her open and they did not pull the camera away a bit that was god damn

fucking brutal and I do appreciate the fact that in the very beginning when she the Lafam first started coming in and attacking her she got her with those scissors on the cheek and through that every scene you

just kind of saw the flap of skin It was open there, and that was just incredibly brutal. And then when she got her neck, and she had to use that tape. Oh, man, great, great gore in this movie. I mean, yeah, there were parts of this movie that I really loved. There were a few parts that kind of took me out. But for the most part, guys, I was on board, man. This was a pretty brutal, brutal film, and I really enjoyed it.

I think it was well done. I love the way that they wrapped it up at the end. and made, you know, they gave you a real reason for Lafam not only wanting a baby for herself because she lost one, but specifically going after this person because she saw her as being the, you know, the reason that she lost her baby. So great movie. Yeah. Yeah. Because it seems like adoption would be way easier than, you know, murder.

But then you wouldn't have had a French extreme horror movie, right? She's killing two birds with one stone. She gets revenge and a baby. But at the end, she loses her hair and her face. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I really did. I did not think I was going to like it. I thought the other movie I was going to like a lot more from things that I've heard.

Did I like it more than this one? We're going to find out. But I really enjoyed this movie. I did. I really enjoyed Insight. Okay. You want to do scores? Yeah. Brian, what do you think? I do have to, even though you can't knock it for the time, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the video animation.

And Lance, I can't believe you didn't bring up the CGI fire. Yeah. Yeah. It was bad. But the, but the, but the makeup effects of the aftermath of that was amazing. So that with the story and how brutal it was. I'm going to give it a seven and a half. Wow. Nice score, man.

Hmm. All right. I think I'm going to go, I think it deserves a seven. Yeah. Not bad. You know, I was probably a little harder on it than I should have been, but I was really just listed in the comments and not so much the pros,

because it does have a lot of pros. Yeah, it does, but it also has some shit stuff in it, no doubt. I mean, but it's a brutal horror film. If you like brutal stuff, this one is for you. Yeah. And that brings us around to my score, and I'm the high man on the totem pole tonight. I'll give it an eight. And had we been doing the podcast when this film came out or had this one been on our radar,

it probably would have been in my top 10 for that year, because lots of great blood and gore. And I thought once you got down to just the visceral gore part of the movie, it was incredibly believable. Really good effects. Stay away from the CGI bullshit. And I think you would have had an even higher score than this. But I think it deserved an eight just for what it did.

And just for the fear that, you know, she was going through. And I think what got me and pushed me over the edge, was when she was on the stairwell and you cut those scissors and that belly button and you're cutting. Oh my God, that was just so visceral

and it was just like you could feel it. And it was depressing on top of that because she knew the baby was coming. She said the baby was stuck. Mm-hmm. Yep. And she knew she was going to die, but she wanted her baby to live.

So she was just like cut the baby out. but it's one of those where I hated the ending, but it was also probably the best one that they could have done. Yeah, I think so, man. It's a pretty, pretty deep movie. I enjoyed it. All right. Let's move on to 2008 with Martyrs.

There's an American remake of this one, too, right? There is. Sucks. Oh, does it? I'm not going to go into it, but it's... Brian, I had to fuck with you on Facebook, brother. Because I know you watch all the every version of everything. And I said, I thought we were watching the...

Yeah, I like to get to, you know, compare the movies. Understandable. Again, this is another one where they take them... We'll get to the movie, but they take a version of a movie and they kind of water it down. Oh, okay. I don't... Yeah. I don't understand why they think that we can't handle the extreme.

handle the truth. So, yeah, I'm not going to talk about that one, but it sucked compared to. All right. Well, I'm going to have some questions about that one, but first. Keep our eye on the ball on the French version, right? The plot of this one is a young woman's quest for revenge against the people who kidnapped and tormented her as a child leads her and a friend who is also a victim of child abuse. was she?

Not by the same people. Yeah. On a terrifying journey into a living hell of depravity. Director and writer is Pascal Liguay. I don't know. Sorry. Also known for Incident in a Ghost Land. A movie.

Ah, we've seen that one. And The Tall Man. I have not seen that movie. Oh, that had Justin Tipperlake's wife in it, right? Really? I think so. Pascal Lagueria, Laguerre. He says he stated that he was inspired by Hostel,

but instead of making a movie about suffering, he wanted to make a movie about pain. Mylene Jean-Ponio and Morgiana Al-Louisna al-Lois. Alouette, Jean-Pie, Aloiscia. Actresses that played Lucy and Anna both stated in an interview that they would never work with the director again. I feel like he kind of kept everybody in the moment of the movie constantly. Did he Stanley Kubrick them? Yeah, he probably did.

Morgiana Aloua, actresses. played Anna. I love these French accents, man. Broke three bones during the movie shoot and had to stay in bed for six weeks. Holy shit. That might have something to do with it. Yeah, no shit. Guy obviously doesn't know what he was doing. Or did he? Martyrs. Brian, what do you think about this one? This movie is fantastic. This movie is depressing, sad, violent. I mean, just

seeing what these girls went through when they was young and then to come back and one of them is being tormented, you know, her manifestations of who she left behind have created like this. You don't know it at first. You think it's some paranormal thing going on where she's being haunted by some demon or something, but find out later it's just a manifestation of somebody she left behind escaping where she came from. and then her when she gets

the revenge it is violent off top when she just immediately blast that guy and at the beginning of the movie yeah I was thinking like where is it going to go from here if this is already all happening this early in the movie what the fuck yeah and the last half in the movie

is fucking depressing and sad her friend is now in her position and then you come to find out the reason why these people are doing is because they want to see what it's like in the afterlife. So they believe they bring someone to that extreme pain that they'll become a martyr and see. And just the stuff they... Like a near-death experience.

Yeah, exactly. And the stuff they, at the end that they put her through that final stage, where they flay her skin off her body. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I don't know how to take the ending because they tell the main lady and she ends up killing herself. And at one point I'm thinking she wants to go to the afterlife because she told her there was an afterlife. But then part of me is kind of questioning that because she tells the guy on the other side of the door because she has locked herself in the room. She tells him to keep doubting or something.

so I don't know. But like, how did she mean it is the quest? Like, go ahead and keep on doubting, you dumbass because I'm going to get there. Or keep doubting because you're right. Yeah, so. Or you're wrong. You know, yeah, it leaves it very open to interpretation. Huh.

But I thought this movie was just brutal throughout, you know, just her being punted. at the end, beaten. God, dude. That was hard to watch. Yeah. I wanted to kick that guy's ass, man. That fucking asshole. And it wasn't just him.

It wasn't just him beating her. He was like playing with her too. He would like stand out of the way and be like, go ahead. Try to run. And then she would. And then he beat the shit out of her. Yeah. I was very frustrated watching that scene, dude.

Had to break her first. Yeah. but I love going back to the earlier parts how you thought the other girl, the one that was originally abused from these people. You thought she was being haunted by some kind of demon entity, you know. Yeah, but when you get the explanation for it and then you see the scene of her cutting her own, like she's cutting all the way down her arms with razors. And you're like, oh, this is all in her head. And she thought that if she got revenge and all these people,

this demon lady would go away and I thought that all that was was great and it was just sad and then the great performances throughout because I don't know how sometimes people play these kind of characters you know because I'm sure

when you're done after this has to fuck you up for a while I'm sure it did yeah so great movie though yeah well you know what I'm gonna agree with you man I love this movie It was very brutal and very hard to watch in some places,

but I thought the story was fantastic, and it was just really well shot, and they have one of those open to interpretation endings, which I actually really enjoy. If I have to go back on Google and search for information about the film after I'm done watching it, and I have the drive to do that, it was a pretty goddamn interesting,

movie and I did that way. Yeah, because I guess I forgot what it was. The look she has at the end when she gets her skin taken off, I guess that look, there's a word for it. It's kind of like being in ecstasy, kind of almost. Yeah, where they're looking toward the heavens

or whatever, like in the other the next thing. Yeah. Yeah, get me there. The other world or whatever. Yeah. And that's crazy that they mentioned that they tried this on men. They tried it on children. But it works best on females. Yep, they did mention that.

Just the fact that they, they, some, a child may have went through the filletion of the skate, all that stuff is just crazy. Well, and even that first chick that she saved when she was down there and like all harnessed up and had like bolts through her head and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess, I mean, metal, although at that point it's probably time to call an ambulance. but yeah yeah I guess I guess I think they said in the in the movie go ahead I know hope hopefully they am the ambulance drivers in France are better than the cops yeah no kidding I think they said in the movie as you get closer to that stage that right you know I see in

the afterlife I guess you start to hallucinate things yeah I can see that the one that had the head thing bolted to her head. I guess her thing was seeing roaches and bugs all over her. That's why she was constantly like tearing at her own skin and yeah and like slamming herself against the wall and stuff right before they shot her. Yeah. Yeah it was I mean super brutal movie and it kind of it was one of those where it kind of kept you guessing the whole time especially at the beginning. Okay. And so where you're

always looking forward to the next scene to be like what the fuck is going on, right? And when they wrap those up, the way that they sort of did here, I mean, I think that they wrapped it up, but they still left it open, you know what I mean? But when they wrap it up like that and one nice, neat little story,

I love those, because I like guessing through the whole movie, you know? And, yeah, it was kind of depressing, but it hits hard. It's a deep movie, you know? Lance, what did you think? Well, boys, I'm glad you guys liked it.

Do you like this one? No, dude, for me, I could have withstood a much more Americanized version of this film. For me, this one was a little too brutal, man. It was too much for me to take. It really was. It made me sick to my stomach in several parts.

Again, the scene where the guy was just beating the shit out of her and then, like, moving out of her way. Like, you fucking asshole. I wanted a good old-fashioned Jack Reacher or some kind of American hero to come in there and beat the shit out of this guy or fucking Schwarzenegger

to come in and blow him away with machine gun or something. It was honestly pissing me off. This movie actually honestly bothered me. And maybe that's a good thing. Maybe that's a good sign. It's kind of a point. It's quite, yeah, it's quite a piece of, of art. But I do like the, I do like the basic idea that they had that you've got this group of

people that are kind of like an underground, you know, group that they live these normal lives where they have their, their children sitting around the breakfast table eating cereal with them and, you know, doing normal things during the day and reading the newspaper and getting ready to go to their nine to five job. But then they have this depravity going on where they torture people and, you know, try to get them to become, as they say, martyrs, like we're they're closer to God or whatever. Yeah, not to cut you off, but I just wanted to add, they did a great job of kind of making you think that she had the wrong people.

Right. Because they were so just clean cut average family. Yeah. Yeah. You were like, is she just crazy? Yeah. I thought that too. I thought that too.

Yeah. Yeah. Even her friend kept asking, she was like, are you sure? sure. Are you sure that's him? And you don't know until she finds that doorway that goes underground and then you're like, oh, fuck it is then.

Yep, no shit. All those little fucking locked doors and little hatches and oh, yeah. It may well have been like two different movies. That first half with the reveal there where holy shit, it's real. And that was super exciting.

and I mean, brutal, but nothing major. And then that second happens. And it made me think because when she goes down, she climbs down that ladder and she's in this whole area downstairs, it looked like kind of high tech, like there was monitors and all kinds of stuff. Like it's not just these people. Yeah.

It was this crazy group of super elites doing this shit. Yeah, it made me wonder if this is going on like all over the place. Well, and see, that's exactly my point, guys. I prefer the Americanized versions like, oh, God, what was the one that we saw a couple of years ago, where they had the games going on inside the office? Belko Experiment? Yeah, Belco Experiment. I got vibes of that.

But see, I wanted more Belko Experiment where it was just kind of straightforward, and then you get your revenge and the good guys make it out, then this kind of, you know, super, super depressing bullshit. I mean, from the movies we're talking about, I don't think the good guy is supposed to be making it out of these movies. Well, especially not as a martyr. Yeah. Understandable. We'll put it this way.

I get it, and I understand the artfulness of what they were doing here. And they definitely, at least with me, they pulled off what they were going for because I felt very hollow, very empty and very depressed. after watching it, but that's not what I go to the movies for, so. Try, try watching an entire week of these movies. Yeah, this one, this one, guys, it's not going to, it's not going to be as high up, as inside for me, but, uh, I definitely better than inside. Well, good, good. So I'm, I'm waiting for scores here because, um, I see where you guys are getting, are getting this from, but, um, I don't know, man.

Maybe this was just a little too much for me. I'll jump in with scores. I'm going to give it a nine. I thought the acting was good. The story was good. There was a point in the movie where I thought maybe she could make it out, but then when she got her skin flayed off, I just pulled the rug right after me.

Yeah, I was like, okay, movie, you got me. You kind of hit certain points in me that just kind of. and then just the whole other story of the the previous girl the girl that was there previously when she was younger the the whole situation with her manifesting this this thing after her thinking you know she had to go punish the people that tortured her to get rid of this demon and i thought that was incredibly sad that she you know went through that as a child you know just cutting herself and yeah that's bad so yeah this is an easy nine Yeah, I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to give it a 9 too. I thought this is one hell of a movie, and the only reason I've never seen it is because it's in French. What would you give the American remake?

Was it really bad? Honest. I'll say four or five around there. Definitely. It's hard-hitting. It's not hard-heating. it's the same with remakes

I like to see that they take the idea of the original and do some twist it up a little bit it's pretty much it's kind of like pet cemetery

no they kind of water it down and it doesn't feel gritty like this one did just kind of feels a little cleaned up

if you guys get what I'm saying yeah well that's a French war thing gritty you know there you have but yeah no

I love this movie man it was depressing as hell but it's kind of a must watch I'm really amazed I've never seen it before I've heard of it but it was great let me ask you guys this because there was another

film that you guys both watched that I didn't I didn't catch it that week and it was I can't remember the name of it but it was about a girl that was kidnapped and like maybe put underground somewhere, or they hit her away. I think it was the same.

We did that movie with John Cho. I think it was the same week as that one. Oh, you're talking about Megan is missing? Megan is missing. Oh, you don't watch that one? No. I still haven't. You don't.

If you didn't watch it for a show, then you don't need to watch it. So how do you guys, how do you all compare that to this? That would fit right in with, It's not as gory. Okay. But it's rough in different ways. Yeah.

The subject manner makes you feel like gross. Yeah. And it's something that is happening in real life. In real life. Gotcha. Yeah. And plus if you have daughters, you may want to watch the movie to be familiar with what goes on. But at the same time, you don't want to watch it.

you don't want to think that could happen to anybody in particular, you know. Sure. One of the worst rape scenes I've ever seen in a movie. Ouch. Woo! All right. We'll see. If not.

Okay, that was the first movie that came to mind when you guys were describing, you know, that one on that show. And then what I just saw with this one, but, uh... Just as, like, icky, but... Yeah. Okay. In a different way. In a way that's a whole lot more tolerable. I'm very glad that you guys got what they were throwing out there on this one,

and you guys appreciated the art of this film, but I can't go higher than five, man. I'm like right in the middle. I kind of like, there's parts of it I enjoyed, but there's parts of it that just drove me fucking insane, where I wish that we had had just a good old-fashioned revenge, you know, straightforward revenge

rather than the revenge that we got here, which was revenge of cutting yourself in the arm and shit like that. Glad you guys enjoyed it. I love the ending too because it was a very open-ended thing,

but it fit in this situation. Right. Because, I mean, the whole point of them doing this was they didn't know, you know? And so they were trying to see what that look into the afterlife was,

even though it seems like if you believe in any sort of afterlife, that maybe torturing people is not the best way to get there. And in a way, Lance, you did get your revenge. It just came super early in the movie because she killed who was her captor. Or maybe late, depending on how you look at the ending. How you look at it? Boy, you guys got a lot more out of this one. I definitely, I wish I had gotten as much out of it as you guys did.

I, I've always wanted to see the movie. I mean, it's checked off the list now. Maybe I'll give it a watch again in the future. I mean, obviously deep. There's a lot to it. I mean, hell, at the end, she might have not even seen anything and just told her some bullshit. Yeah. I mean, we don't know.

Or she could have said, yeah, there was an after-life. You're not going to fucking see it. All right. Yeah. Like you, like, yeah, Phil,

like, because what she went through, she's definitely gone. But what, what you've done to me, you're, you're definitely, you're not going.

Mm-hmm. Gotcha. All right. Well, glad you guys enjoyed it. Five on ten for me. So, uh,

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what's going on next week, man? I put it off as long as I could, but... Did you? Lonnie. Lonnie, Longston, Langston. Uh, we're doing a commentary for, it was a 1980s forbidden zone. I don't know if I've ever seen that. It's a musical.

It's a musical. Hey, but I guarantee you it is like no musical you have ever seen in your life. It is not what you're going to think it's going to be. I promise it. Have either of you guys ever seen it? No. Uh, all the better. All right.

So we're going, it is the Richard Elfman Classic film Forbidden Zone. And yes, it is a musical so you guys can all sing along while you watch it with us. So, Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.