The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #312: Firestarter (1984) & Firestarter (2022)

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

This week, we figure out if the new Firestarter blazes the original. Cool of the week includes Doctor Strange, Picard, and Candy. Not so Cool of the Week is Lance's portable AC. Trailers are Resident Evil (no, seriously...) and Resurrection. The Podcast Spotlight shines on Draw One Last Breath. And we get 2 new entries into our steelbook contest. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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in horror all to the horror returns I'm Lance and with me as always my co-host Brian and Phillip tonight it's back to new movies we're going to cover the brand new fire starter as well as the 1984 original we're going to see if the new one holds up.

Brian has it going, man. It's going. Tired. Start a new job. Weather's changing. I used to all the daylight. You're in 30 days of day now, huh? Yeah, well, we're not quite there.

It's just gets darker later. The sun comes up sooner. Like how? How late does it get dark? Probably say right now we're around like probably 10 o'clock, 11, probably when the sun will actually all the way go down. That's pretty fucking late, that Philip? It's like mid-sumar, man. You take any shrooms or what?

No, not with the kids around. No. Okay. Kind of hard to do that. Yeah. Yeah, Philip. I know you're feeling the heat. Oh, yeah.

It's definitely getting hot down in Texas. I was just like standing outside, putting a doorbell in today, and it was like jerping sweat off my face. Yep. Yeah, unbelievable. Not even anything like hard work. It was just being outside is miserable. No shit.

Yeah. I mowed the yard last Friday. I had to stop like every 10 minutes. Yeah. Because my, yeah, my lawn doesn't propel itself anymore. So it's like pushing it the whole way. cursing yelling spitting

enough enough about that you're all ready for cool of the week yeah do it um Brian do you usually go last

you want to you want to go first this time or yeah I'll go through mine real quick you know where I got to start Amityville watch Amityville

got to take a little trip down to Amityville Amityville Death House and that's the reaction I wanted. Okay. All right. Nothing special about this one. It does get points. It does

kind of have the house. I mean, it has the house with the windows. So, okay. Eric Roberts shows up as the warlock. How many people have died at this house? So far, throughout all the movies.

It has to be up over 100. I wonder if they keep accounted that somewhere. I probably should have been counted. The thing that makes this kind of a fun watch is the incredible bad acting. It's

like, it's amazing. But you expect any less. But it's at an amazing level. Apparently Yeah, when people meet each other on in a scene, I don't know if in real life they've actually met another human being and just don't know how to react to him.

It's bad. The acting is bad in this one. I'm looking at the poster. It definitely says starring Eric Roberts. So obviously that means he has the most time in the movie, right? No. It's just starring Eric Roberts and he is top-billed. As in, we paid him the most money to be in.

minute for one scene. Yeah. He pulled a Bruce Willis, did he? Yeah. I don't want to make fun of that guy now. I feel bad for saying he looked like he had a stroke in one of his movie posters. Oh. Uh-oh.

Too soon, man. Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't know his medical problems. Oh, he did? That makes it even funnier. Oh, no. Checked out a new shark movie called Shark Bate.

Well, you're on a roll. Yeah, this movie is complete shit. It's got the dumbest people. You're not rooting for anybody to live. They put themselves in some dumb situations. Stupid people. Yeah, essentially it's, I forget, where they're vacationing, but it's like their last night, the guys,

the guys and women in a group and the guys decide, oh, let's go steal these jet skis. It's our last night and wherever they are. And, yeah, and then the jet skis break down in the middle of nowhere. I hate it when that happens. Yeah. So like in the middle of the lake? No, the ocean. Oh, okay.

Where are they riding the jet skis too? You know, the jet skis don't even know. I'm really thinking about it. They don't even really break down. They kind of like a racing and they kind of like knock into each other. And one of the jet skis doesn't work and they can't pull everybody on one jet ski. So you would think the one jet ski that works, they would go get help immediately. Right.

Right. That's not their first. That's not how they do it, huh? No, it's bad. The shark, the shark's not that bad, but I expected a little bit more gore. The little bit of gore, you got to see the bite marks and stuff. They were pretty good-looking, decent practical effects. You know what, dude? You drove out into shark territory on a jet ski. I don't really have a whole lot of instinct for that. I don't recommend this one. Oh, man.

You break, it's going to be a rough night. Yeah, this is going to be a rough night, Brian. Okay. Two for two. Two for two. Let's see if I'm three for three. Checked out the Lost City, that new movie was Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum. Oh, yeah.

Uh-huh. It's not bad. It's a decent kind of romantic adventure comedy type. It really kind of reminds me of, I don't know if you got seen them. It came out, I think, in the 80s, from not romancing. Yeah. Is that the one?

Was that the sequel? Romancing the stone. One of those ones with Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas. Yeah. It's basically that movie. Yeah. Just be done. And I will say, I'm not like the...

Like, porno sounding? Yeah. I'm not the biggest fan of Channing Tatum, but he does work in these like comedy roles. Yeah, he's better at comedy than he is at anything else. Yeah, so that one's on Paramount Plus. Oh, yeah. So you got Paramount Plus, you know, why not?

Check it out. It's a new movie. But my cool of the week is going to be Dr. Strange. Oh, nice. Loved it. Loved all the cameos. I really hope that some of these cameos, they find some way to introduce them into the Marvel Universe proper. Yeah, hopefully it's not just a one-off thing.

Yeah. Some of them I'm fine if they do it a one-off. It was cool to see them in there. I like where the story's going. Got excited for the, I think it was the first credit scene, that cameo. Yeah. I don't know who that is, but... We got Blade in the last movie.

Yeah. It's a character from the comics. It's important to his future self, basically. So, she's definitely... She-he. Don't want to... Are you assuming it's gender? That person is important in the comics.

Gotcha. And, yep, that's it. Uh, yeah. So I got a couple of them I'll throw in there. Um, you're going to have to pick one for your cool, man. Yeah, well, okay, I've definitely got one for my cool, uh, because I really only have a couple, no, I really only have a couple things I watch. Um, I just, I ran across, uh, Black Mass, the Johnny Debt movie. Oh, okay. With all that shit going on. I was like, well, you know what, let's watch a Johnny Depp movie. He deserves it. So you're playing, uh, was it whitey, um, was it? Bulger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was pretty good. It was kind of long and drawn out and a little bit boring for a mob movie, but still still good. It was entertaining. Yeah, you got to work hard to make

a mob movie boring. Yeah. Well, yeah, but it was like a true story mob movie. You know what I mean? Sure, sure. Like it's more of a docu drama. Yeah. Well, sort of, but like the hell of fucking cast. Like, everybody's in this movie. I was surprised at every turn. So that was a fun watch. I watched The Night Eats the World. Have you guys ever seen that? It's a zombie movie.

I've heard of it. I've not watched it yet. Yeah, I ran across it on, like, Amazon or something. And it's like a gin zombie movie, I think. And he gets, like, locked in... He falls asleep at this party. and when he wakes up, everybody's zombies and gone, and there's nobody left. And so he, like, locks himself in this apartment building.

And it's like castaway, but zombies. Yeah. Oh, Brian, why have they never made a zombie castaway? They will now. Yeah. Or Amityville castaway. Amityville castaway. But yeah, it was an interesting movie.

I was a little bit let down by the end, I think. But aside from that, it was pretty good. Not a ton of dialogue, but more just emotional shit going on, which is weird for a zombie movie, but it worked. Yeah, it worked and trained to Busan, that's for sure. Yeah, but Trained to Boozon had a whole lot more action. So it's kind of a zombie docu drama? Yeah, it gets really slow.

All right. Wow. That's got to be hard to do too. Yeah, but if you're in the mood for like an artsy movie, this one's kind of fun to watch. Okay. Artsy's home. I've heard good things about it, so. Yeah, just that don't expect a whole lot from that. And then my cool of the week is going to be candy on Hulu. Have you guys seen that? I've been meaning to check that out.

That's Jessica Beale. That's another fucking true crime story. Yeah, that's right. I like these things. I don't know. My wife started watching it, which means I started watching it. And it was pleasantly surprising, man. The past few things that Jessica Beale has done have been pretty amazing.

And it's just a real short series. It's like five episodes. And it just goes through like this real, like real housewives. murder that happened in Dallas in like the early 80s, where she like, this woman gets killed with an axe and like hacked today. She gets hit with an axe like 41 times. And then it sort of turns into a who done it,

although you kind of know who done it the whole time. But it sort of lets out a little bit of information at a time. It's one of those where the big thing happens at the very beginning and then you slowly learn about it. as the season progresses. But because it wraps it up pretty quick, it's, it's good. I was impressed. The ending on that one, I was a little disappointed also.

But that's the hardest part to take. Either way, it was worth watching. Gotcha. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm a, Michael of the week is, he has ever checked. Probably not. It's on CBS All Access, aka Paramount Plus, Philip.

Oh, I got it now. My mom's got a subscription. Check out, check out Picard. Did you see the first season of Picard? No, I haven't watched it. Okay, well, Brian, you probably, either one of you guys are enough of a trek, you to dive that deep, right? I've seen some episodes of the first season.

Yeah, the first season's good. The second season, though, I think, is blowing it out of the park. It brings back all the characters that he met up within the first season. And there's a big twist in it. which I could kind of give it away because it happens in the first third of the first episode, but Q shows up. You guys remember the character Q? Yeah.

And Jean-Luc Picard is living his best life and giving a speech. He's growing his wine. His Picard, Bourgeois, whatever the hell it's called, Bojoulet. And he's given a speech at Starfleet Academy. thing you know, this guy looks awfully familiar in its old Q and he shows up as... Is he still alive? Yeah, John Delancey

is still alive. The fact, he shows up computer generated as his younger self and Picard does a double take and he said, oh, you've aged and he snaps his fingers and says, let me make myself look more like you so we can relate more. It's super corny. It's so fucking

corny. And then he goes and meets Geinen in the first episode. I won't say too much beyond what happens in that first one, but Q basically does what Q does and just fucks everything up on the timeline. And since it is Star Trek, there is time travel. But it's pretty close to present day, which makes it kind of interesting. So I don't want to give too much away, but you'll see a lot of characters show up. Jonathan Frakes directs several of the episodes. So number one is directing his captain, which is kind of cool.

But I'm loving it so far. The sixth episode, I brought a little tear to my eye, man. Picard meets somebody that's an ancestor. And it's kind of interesting how that goes down, not to give too much away. But I know Jack wasn't a huge fan over at binge media, but he loves the Strange New World Show. But I'm digging Picard. That's my clue of the week. nice all right brian we got any headlines man oh yeah we got some headlines we got a lot of

tv so we're going to start there um peacock has renewed a wolf like me for a second season every time i hear that what do you think of the best name for their service but you don't forget it uh yeah they they've renewed wolf like me for a second season i've heard a lot of people speak highly of this show. Okay. Check that out. So, I'm assuming a werewolf movie? Yeah, so I heard it's a werewolf

kind of like, not necessarily like a dramatic series. Right. But kind of in that vein. And it stars a Josh Gad and Oh, no shit. I can't think of the

actress that's married to Borat. She was in wedding pressures. Isla Fisher? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Matter of fact, Steve, from the league of geeks, I almost said the league of geeks. It's so hard to. Not too soon.

Yeah, he speaks highly of that too. Okay. No, if Josh Gadd is in it, man, it's got to be worth checking out. I'm sure it's got a good dose of comedy in it. Yeah. I've been meaning to check it out, but I just, you know, there's just so much TV

right now. It's just kind of... Oh, yeah. Show that I've never checked out because it has like 25 seasons is supernatural. Okay. Yeah. The prequel, the Winchester, has been ordered.

I have no idea. Wow. What the Winchesters are, who are the Winchester. The people that own the house with all the guns? Remember Helen Mirren movie that I think was on all three of our bottom 10 that year. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting story though. Yeah. It's just interesting story. I like what they did with the house. But yeah, the story did you take an interesting story and just do nothing with it. Right. It's kind of

like when Rob Zombie took an interesting cast and did nothing with the Salem's, the Lord of Salem. Oh, Lord of Sailing. Yeah. Good point. You guys ever play the video game Alan Wake? No. No?

That's from what I understand. It's a fairly popular horror game. AMC is developing a series adaptation. Alan Wake? Yeah. I feel like I should have heard of that. Yeah, I think I stumbled across that on Game Pass. Yeah, I think recently it just got the remastered version done.

Okay. No, this is not the one that I stumbled across. All right, let's see. Stars has renewed Shining Vale, the Courtney Cox starring series for a second season. I forgot all about that show. Like I said, a lot of shows. You lose track of them.

Devin Sawa is returning for a Chucky Season 2 as a new character. Oh, God. means he'll be the third character in the show. What we do in the Shadow Season 4 premieres on Hulu, July 12. Damn, I got to catch up with that. Yeah, I really want to know where they're going to go from where this last season ended up. American Horror Stories installment 2 premieres on Hulu, July 21st. I was pretty unimpressed with most of those.

I don't know. I like the idea, though. Just all the different ones add up to one thing. Yeah. But it's like most anthologies. Like some of them hit, some of them don't. Sure. Let's see.

Netflix has officially ordered season six of Black Mirror. Oh. Black Mirror. Wow. No shit. I was just looking at that. I was looking that up the other day and it said it ended. Or according to IMDB, it said whatever,

through 2000 or something. So that's the best news I've heard all night, man. Yep, officially greenlit. The only thing I don't like from what I'm hearing is they're going with the same format as last season with the fewer episodes, but longer.

I'm okay with that. I mean, just don't give us British things. They'll give us another striking vipers, you know. Which one's that? Remember that one? Manta, having his way with... That is your favorite episode.

was it Oh Oh, that one, yeah Yeah Let's see I want to say Hawkeye What's his character's name in Marvel

Somebody bail me out Falcon Falcon, there you go Well, technically Captain America now So Give him his respect Yep, should have said that

Okay, we're going to jump into some movie news the Reef sequel, The Reef Stockt, is coming to shut at July 29th. The Reef, that was a pretty decent shark movie. Yeah, I seem to remember enjoying that one. I think I've heard about this new one. Christopher Walken has joined the cast of Denny Villeneuve, Doom Part 2. He's going to be the emperor.

What? Nice. Good casting. Christopher Walken and anything, I'm happy. happy with can can you do his voice philip i don't know what am i i'll bring it up later in the your house of atreides is going down i don't know that movie some of my top ten if he does it that way there's so much sand in here that's great it's everywhere i don't i have a fact let's the Dan Stevens and Adam Wingard are going to reunite for Godzilla versus Kong, too.

Oh, Dan Stevens. Yeah, from the guest. Oh, yes, I thought you said dance demons. This is what happens when you've only got one working part of your head phone. Yes. So I thought the first one was fun enough, and I like Dan Stevens, so. Yeah. Just no, I don't want to see no Scarsguards.

there's no scientists. That one didn't work very well for me. I mean, it was a fun movie, but... It was also the first fun movie we'd had since the pandemic. Yeah, I think all the Godzilla and Kong stuff worked. It was just the unnecessary people. Yeah. Yeah. He was a weird casting.

Hey, side note, guys, what was the first movie y'all saw in a theater after the pandemic? Do you remember? Hmm. For me, it was nobody. The one with Bob Odenkirk? Oh, yeah. It's the one that got me back to the theater. I went and saw a kids movie or something because I remember seeing the poster for that one.

But of course. Yeah, wow, I got kids. But yeah, I remember seeing the poster for that one in the movie theater. So it was right around that same time. Around the same time? I think whatever was the first one we did for the show, like spiral or something like that. Oh, that could be it. Yeah.

Viral. That was it. Yeah. viral. All right. A new rumor for Rob Zombies, the Munsters, instead of Peacock, it's going to head to Netflix, allegedly. Well, I mean, Netflix, man, they're in trouble. They're, they're, they're hemorrhaging right now, you know, because all these studios that, that are already established and are used to make in theater movies now have their own streaming service. So, yeah, I say partner up with somebody that doesn't have a streaming service like Sony or something. Hmm. Get their movies exclusive.

Right. I mean, Sony's going to need to start their own or they're going to sign a deal with somebody. So. Yeah. Kind of surprise they have. They're sort of half in bed with Disney. Yeah. Getting that Marvel money.

Yeah. Blumhouse's new slasher comedy Totally Killer starring Kiernan and Shipga will travel back in time to 1987 Time traveling slasher comedy Okay

Rather than just do a third What's that movie Where she kept dying Every day Oh yeah, yeah, yeah The Groundhog Day But she was dead I can't remember the name of it.

Happy death day. Happy death day. There it is. Let's see. A couple of big things, final things for movie news. 20th Century Studios is developing a prequel to the Omen titled The First Omen. How was it a prequel to the Omen? It's probably not going to happen.

What I want, I would like to see that whole buildup because, you know, Damien was placed in that family's care. Yeah. And I would like to see all the moving parts because there were so many people that were involved in the little Satanist cult. But like placed in the family's care at the end of the first movie? No, when the parents of Damien, their baby died. Oh, right. Yeah, they switched him out in the hospital, right?

Yeah. Okay. Well, all right. Okay. That would be interesting. Omen prequel. okay I had not too

not too interested quite honestly I was gonna do a prequel for that I was to feel like I would like to see like the buildup to them placing Damien and that family's care

because I kind of felt like there was a lot of moving pieces you know there's so many people that were Satanous that you didn't expect to be Satanous and okay

I guess that could be interesting And again, let's probably know what they're going to do. No. I'm sure it's going to be awesome. And finally, Scream Six News, Jenna Ortega, Melissa Barrera, Jasmine Savoy Brown, and Mason Gooding are all returning for this part six. There you go.

There's your new Scream team. And the news that I really, really I'm glad that it happened is Hayden Panettiaries Kirby is officially returning huh wasn't she from like the third one or something like that second third I don't know

fourth don't don't put her okay all right bring it on yeah I like I like I liked it since what was it heroes yeah right oh she's great in heroes oh yeah the cheerleader right

I really enjoyed her character and Screen 4 was basically like a horror geek. And they had that in Screen 5. They had that little kind of Easter A when I forgot what's his name. One of the characters was doing research and they had that little thing on YouTube. Kirby survives basically telling you she survived. Yeah. So I think it's cool to bring her back.

That's pretty cool, man. So they gave you a little taste. Yeah. And that's the news. All right. Y'all, y'all ready to take a little trip? Let's go. No, Christopher Walken. Are you ready to take a little trip? We're going to the trailer park again?

I'm sorry. All right. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight? Before I get into those, did you guys see the Shee Hulk trailer that dropped today? Not yet. The show doesn't come out to August. They better touch up that CGI. Oh, no.

Is it that bad? It's off. I like everything I'm seeing as far as the story, but the CGI just look off. And I know shows and movies, they work on the CGI up until the release of the film. But I think it'll be more comedic fun. Really? You had a comedy vibe. Mark Ruffalo's in there.

Okay. So. Hulk smash. The other thing that came out that I forgot to send you guys. The teaser for Prey, the Predator Prequel. Oh, okay. No, I hadn't heard about that one. I'm excited about this one.

I think it's set like two, 300 years before the original movie, so. Huh. Okay, and they come back? Wow. Yeah. Oh, wow. So like an earth of two or three hundred years ago. Yeah, I was a little worried because it was going to be a straight to Hulu movie, but it looks pretty fucking good.

Nice. They should have been doing that with Predator movies all along. Just different time periods, drop a Predator in it. That would have been pretty cool. I mean, hey, they still believe me, they will, Philip. They will. And they're all listening, so, you know, how that works. Mm-hmm.

All right. First trailer. New Netflix series. We just got talking about Netflix again. Resident Evil. Ice. Let's see. Nearly three decades after the Discovery,

of the T-virus and outbreak reveals the umbrella corporation's dark secrets based on the horror franchise. This stars Ella Balinski, Lance Reddick, Turlow Convery, Tatiana Gator. She probably said all those names wrong. Not Lance Reddick. You got that one? Yeah. I'll go first. it looked a lot better than the

as the original franchise those later movies it's definitely better than that I feel like they're going more horror that's true there's supposed to be a lot of gore in this one and there's from what I read there's going to be a lot of stuff straight out of the game for this one so

really? Yeah all right which I didn't hate that new movie movie. I just thought there was a lot of moments where the practicals were really good and then they cut to something like that was bad. CGI.

Yeah. So, but this one I think it's, I think which one was the last movie? Raccoon. Welcome to Raccoon City. I don't know that I saw that. Uh-oh.

Check it out. It's not bad. Raccoon City's not bad. Brian went to Raccoon City for a minute. okay back time warp no T virus with me but I'm back

all right what did you guys think yeah I I don't know I mean aside from the Raccoon City one which I haven't seen the last few movies

with what's her name in it the redheader girl yeah yeah Amelia Jolovich Yeah.

There you go. How can I remember? The last few movies that she did kind of went off the rails, and I feel like we kind of gave them a pass because they were still fun movies. But, like, I don't know what to think about this show. I feel like unless it's, like, real video game true, which sounds like it may be, I don't know that it's going to work. I don't know who asked for it, and I don't know if anybody is really excited about it. Well, I know their little anime Resident Evil series was pretty fucking good. So maybe I didn't really look into it.

Maybe it's the same team that worked on the anime series that's doing this live-action series. Well, maybe they're fans of the game and they'll make something good. Yeah, like I said, it's better than those last Milo Jovovich movies. Yeah, yeah, they got a little absurd. Rough toward the end, huh? They fast and furious. Yes. You mean they wrote a car into outer space?

Yeah. I don't know, guys. This one to me looks kind of like Resident Evil young adult or something like that, maybe. Oh, not too excited about that angle, but I don't know. could be good I guess we're going to find out right yeah I mean we're paying for Netflix as of now

so yeah for the moment yeah I just want to be let go you're on notice Netflix it comes out July 14th still gonna have Netflix because we got a stranger things coming

right and I am excited about that way well that's That's going to be when their shit goes back up. Right. After Stranger Things, unless they follow it up with some really good shit, they're going to be on. We got Cobra Cod coming early this year, September. There's one.

Okay. Yeah, I heard the geeks talking about that. That'll keep me invested. Yeah. After that, I don't know. Yeah. They'll always have something else. Yeah.

All right. Another Ryan Reynolds movie. that uh that uh which one was it the adam project oh yeah that one i didn't i didn't hate that one yeah i didn't it was it was a fun watch i liked a kid in it because he felt like a young ryan reynolds the way he played it so yeah well and i actually really like ryan reynolds it was just i don't know that

movie they did with the rock and everybody i was kind of dumb yeah i watched that and i don't remember anything from it. Yeah, it was one of those movies. It was just like studio hack job. Okay, our final trailer is a new IFC film, and that's

Resurrection, starring Rebecca Hall and Tim Roth. Yeah, and I have no idea what this movie's about. No. Well, let's see what the synopsis says. Margaret's life is in order. She is capable, discipline, and success

everything is under control. That is until David returns carrying with him the horrors of Margaret's past. So I'm assuming David is Tim Roth and he knows about all the

bad shit she did or was a part of. So even it's definitely funny hearing these two with an actual British accent because they almost always play American characters. Rebecca Oswald.

British? Is she? She had a British accent. Huh. I guess we're going to find out. It doesn't surprise me. That happens all the time. Oh, all the time.

Yeah, reading this synopsis, it does, the trailer makes more sense. Apparently, them describing her as capable discipline is successful. Maybe it's she's kind of leading a

life that's a lie. And maybe she's a horrible person or did horrible things. It's really hard to tell from the trailer, man. She killed the lady and stole her identity. I've said. No need to watch the movie, folks. Yeah, I'll check it out because she really lost me in Kong v. Godzilla. Yeah.

But then she brought it back for me in the, what was it, Lance? The Nighthouse? Yeah. so these type of movies I'd rather see her in and like big budget yeah popcorn action boom so I would agree and I like Tim Roth so I give it a truck yeah I mean this one definitely

somebody shot me I'm dying here this one definitely looks more interesting than than the Resident Evil one they didn't give you a whole lot and sometimes I don't know if all those like critical acclaim things that they throw in the trailer are like right oh shit this is a red flag or hey maybe this is it's probably not going to make a lot of money but it's it's a good watch which yeah can we get like a new logo where we have a bunch of critical acclaim like little stamps all over it yeah it's the work for these

movies I know man well yeah I Because it's one of those where it's like, ah, a Sundance Film Festival or whatever, you know? I don't know if that's what it was, but it's got the whole first half of the trailer is just plastered with these things.

And then it gets into the trailer. Snippets of reviews and stuff. Yeah, and then it doesn't tell you anything in the trailer, which may be a good thing. You know, it's kind of good going into a movie blind and knowing, well, at least these people thought it was good.

So, not trash. He thought Peacock was funny. the director and writer's name is Andrew Siemens. Seamins. He said Siemens. I believe this is getting the VOD route with the limited theater release August 5th. Okay.

All right. Probably check it out. By the way, she's half British and half American. British father, American mother. But how does she talk for real? Great question. She just knows how to do both of them. I would assume so, yes.

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and then have a child who is pyrokinetic. Director is Mark Lester, also known for Commando. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And Class of 1984. Nice. Writer is Stanley Mann, also known for Conan the Destroyer. Oh, with Will Chamberman.

His name is Stanley Man? That sounds like a porn name. Profetically, a few years before she was cast in the film, a six-year-old Drew Barrymore's mother thought that Drew resembled the girl on the source novels paperback dust jacket. Drew once said, My mom has seen this book at the grocery store

with a picture of a little girl on it and said, gee, this kind of looks like you. She said it was okay if I bought it, and so I did. When I read it, I came into the kitchen where my mom was making dinner and said, I'm the fire starter. I'm Charlie McGee.

But she didn't know what I was talking about. That sounds like a bullshit story. but take it for what it is George C. Scott wears an eye patch over his left eye

during the final half hour of the film which was due to the infection caused by the contact lens used earlier in the film. The eye was not quite healed and had to wear it to complete

the filming of the scenes. That worked. Yeah. All right. Lance, you're our Stephen King guy? What did you think about the 1984 Firestarter?

Well, it would be hard for me to compare it to the book because I think I read it probably about 86 or so. And that's one of those I didn't really It's probably like not on my top half of Stephen King books. So I didn't do as many rereads as I did of like the shining or the stand

or something like that. So I can't really compare it too much to the book. I vaguely remember the book. I remember a couple of scenes in it. Like I think that one scene from the new movie was in the book, but I won't get into that yet. As far as this one, I thought that the

I thought the story was pretty good. I thought it was a decent script. Like the way that it was paced. I thought, who wasn't the play the native character? Was it, was that George C. Scott? Yeah. Yeah.

Where did they come up with this fucking casting, man? Like John Wayne playing gang, John. I mean, yeah, right. Give me a break, man. Wow. I don't know. That was some very bizarre casting,

but I guess, you know, it was the 80s, so who knows, who knows what they were thinking. The villains were, I love the shop. I love the way they portrayed the shop, but I like the,

I like the beginning part when they were, you know, they were laying in the bed and they were getting to know each other. Keith David, I did it. I knew I was going to.

to do it. David Keith. David Keith. Yep, yep. Okay, when he first met, that's when he first met her, right? The woman that was going to become his wife. Didn't they meet while they were, while they were having the stuff injected on them?

High as shit. In the experiment. Yeah, high as shit. I love the way they did that, too. That was cool that they made it like a hallucinogenic. I didn't think they got that across as much in the new movie, but yeah, the old one, it was, yeah, that was really cool, man. I loved you for a thousand years.

That's some strong acid, dude. And then the other guys were like tearing their skin off. That was fucking weird, man. Yeah, no, this one was fun, man. I love the pacing. I thought it led up to a really good conclusion. Real epic. I love the way that, you know, what was his name?

John Raincloud? was that George C. Scott's character? Yeah. I love the way that he... The 80s. Yeah, I love the way he got into her confidence like that and then kind of really tricked her there at the end. Kind of, I think I seemed like I saw it coming a mile away,

but that was pretty good storyline, the way they added that in there and then... John Rain Bird. John Rain Bird. Having the barn burning there at the end with all the hay in it. I really thought that was going to go even further, but it was pretty good the way that they ended it. I thought really one of the standout performances was Martin Sheen. Yeah.

Because he definitely had that oily, almost like a salesman type. You know, I run the shop. I'm a government operative. He wasn't a damn young, though. He wasn't sinister enough for me. Really? I thought he was. I mean, he's bringing Charlie Coco and I don't know.

He just seemed like kind of a, I know he's with the shop and that's not good, but he just kind of seemed like anybody out of shop you're going to be friends with. It's going to be that guy. Yeah. All right, guys. I'm going to let y'all go because I've got this air conditioner that's crapped out on me in here in the garage. So I got to go try to fix this. Put a new portable AC up.

I'll be right back. Brian, what did you think about it? I liked it for the most part. Like, when I think it drew Barrymore, especially from the 80s and stuff, this is usually one of the first movies I think of. I thought a lot of the hats off to all the stunt guys that were doing actual fire stunts.

Yeah, that's true. There's a lot of fire, especially when you get the finale, there's a lot of fire stunts. A lot of people actually set on fire and fireballs. I love the fireballs. Yeah, no CGI fire in this one. No. I like fireballs, but...

Damn. Alaska hot in here, guys. Alaska hot. You wouldn't need an air conditioner then. George C. Scott, on this rewatch, I kind of had a problem with the way he was portraying this character. He kind of felt like a pedophile. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, there was that. There was that. Because there was a line that, because I'm sitting there thinking, this sounds like, he sounds like a pedophile. And then he's like, when I earn her trust, I'm going to get inside her. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, unfortunate line there, huh? Yeah.

I mean, I knew what he was saying. Did anybody go to background check on this guy? What the fuck? Yeah. And I didn't understand his, he wanted to, he wanted to earn her trust to kill her later. Sure. To absorb her. I got all that.

Yeah. Might not have been portrayed the best way, the least tangy way. If you just want to absorb her powers in death or whatever, why don't you just kill her? Well, there is that. I guess you didn't think that very well, did he? Why are you being a petto? I mean, come on. Well, and then in one scene, he actually even put his hand on her leg, and that's when I kind of thought, he...

Yeah, he put the hand on the knee, and I was like, yeah. Don't do that. Yeah, that was rough. That was rough. David Keith was fine. I did kind of get a chuckle out every time he used his powers. He had to, like, grab his hair. That was fucking hilarious.

Oh, he did kind of grab it, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Telegraphed it, didn't he? Heather Locklear looking fine as ever. I was a little disappointed that we didn't get no telekinesis from her. Yeah, or something. She should have some sort of power.

Yeah, she was just kind of there. Yeah, she was in and out pretty quick, huh? Yeah. And another thing on this rewashed that I noticed is... And probably the hottest Heather Locklear, by the way. Drew Barrymore was fucking annoying. Really? Every time she cried.

It was like, Daddy, I didn't mean it. Yeah. Oh, boy. Just... Well, come on. the character, man. Yeah, but it's just the way she pulled it off. I was just like, shut up.

Somebody drank her. When they drank her, it wasn't soon enough for me. But that being said, for what it is and for one of Drew Barrymore's early films, I did have fun with it, especially when we got to the finale. And she was, because this movie was the X-Men movie before X-Men movies were made. so yeah that's true it was it was x-men when x-men wasn't cool huh yeah and people we'll get to the new one because a lot of people were saying the new ones more action than horror so was this i don't really get the horror out of this is a

yeah so yeah i remember watching this one i was little yeah me too and i i don't remember being scared of anything at all. I always thought the ending was really cool where everything blows up. How'd you like the way her hair blew up with the wind every time she used her? There's a lot of cheese on the top of this movie, wasn't there, Philip?

Yeah, I mean, yeah. And I used to really, really love this movie, and then on rewatch, some of it is a little cheesy. Although, I didn't hate that. I think that whole third act was more fun and entertaining. The first couple of acts, I'm like I don't know what to say about it it's not that nothing happened I just kind of got a little bored with it it's kind of kind of me huh yeah I don't know why I got bored with it but I did and uh maybe because I've seen this movie before and I just wasn't super excited to rewatch it yeah you just kind of want to get to the final act yeah because that part's pretty cool the rest of the movie is a good draw up to it like I

I wish it was about 30 minutes shorter. Okay, that's fair enough. Yeah, and it was, what, an hour 54 or something like that? So it could have been. A couple hours. It could have been 30 minutes shorter. I didn't feel like it really dragged at any point. There was a couple of scenes like the one where they were walking across that little plank on the lake there,

and that's when Rain Bird darts them. Yeah. I thought that was kind of sinister. That was a pretty cool scene. And it is funny that he wasn't wearing an eye patch. in the first half, but he was in the second, like you mentioned. They didn't explain it at all, huh? They didn't explain it at all.

He's just wearing an iPad. Well, I know in the book, okay, you know what? I do remember something from the book. I remember very specifically he was a Vietnam veteran, and I thought he had lost an eye. So it would have made sense to have the iPatch from the beginning. Why would they have had him wear a contact lens? It would have made more sense if, like,

he didn't want to be recognized, and he tried to disguise himself with an eye patch? I don't know. I'm trying to come over to reason. You're asking me questions. Oh, no. Y'all heard that,

you've heard Johnny Depp's been canceled for Pirates of the Caribbean, huh? Moving forward? Still? Yeah, that's what I heard. That's the last thing I read. I bet you they'll give it back to him.

You think so? After the whole trial. I don't think he was canceled. I think he turned it down. Oh, okay. Oh, no, they took him off of it. That was part of the lawsuit. I know Marga Robbie's supposed to be in the new one, right?

Is she going to be the new Jack Sparrow, Jacqueline Sparrow, maybe? Oh, I'm sold. Yeah, that's hard to say no, too. Push up bra on an eyepatch. She can, like, walk around drunk. Right? Absolutely. Why are all these middle-aged dudes going to see Pirates of the Caribbean?

that's great all right uh so let's do uh scores 1984 fire starter Lance what do you think uh six and a half I thought it was I thought it was two-thirds good like I said it's all for me it's all about story yeah and I thought that I thought it was scripted really really well um I thought it made sense I think all the characters development you know fit together very nicely and compactly shall we say I didn't think it was overdrawn at all I thought it was just the right amount of stuff in it and I enjoyed that final scene in the barn so that's my score

okay six and a half that's a pretty fair score and yeah and it was it was a superhero movie before superhero movies were good uh Brian what do you think um I really love that the finale the build up to it

to all the the like I said hats off to all the stunt people that were actually lighting themselves on fire. Back before a CGI fire, huh? That hilarious scene of the one scientist that tried to jump on the super slow golf cart. Oh, fuck it. I'll give it a seven. You just got me up to seven with that one. I was going to go seven, but I, for, what's his name? John Petto, John Rain Bird, Greenbird, George C. Scott. It just made me uncomfortable.

It took you out of the movie. Poor choice of words. Constantly touching her. I'm going to go with a six and a half. Oh, we flip-flopped. Do you see how that happened? And you know what? I'm going to agree with Lance's first score.

I think six and a half is a pretty fair score for this movie. It's good. It's definitely worth watching. If you're a Stephen King fan, you know, this is one of the ones that, one of the better ones probably from his older movies. So definitely worth watching. I like it. Yeah, there are a lot of bad Stephen King movies aren't there? But let's see if they improved on it with this one. I'll move on to Firestarter 22.

A young girl tries to understand. The papers three? Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Bad here. Dirty Grandpa. Go ahead. That would have been interesting. Right. George C. Scott. A young girl tries to understand how she mysteriously gained the power to set things on fire with her mind. Director is Keith Thomas, also known for The Vigil. Hey, we did that movie. Uh, writers Scott Teams, also known for Halloween kills and The Quarry. John Carpenter, who did the music for this film, was set to direct the original Firestarter, but was replaced when his previous film The Thing failed at the box office.

How bullshit is that? Yeah, now, now known as one of the most classic horror movies of all time. Ah. Uh, he would instead direct another Stephen King adaptation, Christine. That's a fun one. Well, that's the one book I didn't like it all. The one Stephen's book that, nah. Didn't get into that one.

I finished it, but it wasn't one of my favorites. Would have been interesting to see him on this movie. Oh, yeah. Ryan Kira Armstrong previously appeared in It Chapter 2, another Stephen King adaptation. There's going to be a whole Stephen King universe. Oh, was she the girl with the, the birth marker on her face that he was going to

he tricked her into thinking he could take it off Oh, is that from the very beginning of part two, right? Yeah, when she had went under the bleachers and... Oh, I think that's her. Maybe. I'll bet it is. People write in and tell us, let us know.

All right, fire started 2022, Lance, is it an improvement? Um, absolutely not. This is a fucking piece of shit. This was a garbage. Garbage fire started. Not at all. No, this was not at all. No, this was absolutely

positively what, this was my worst fear, guys. Sequel that absolutely positively in no way form or fashion needed to be made. Yeah. You've got Zach Efron who like I say was mentioned in Jeff some of his other movies. He's funny as

fuck in comedies and stuff like that. But God damn, man. trying to play a serious, a serious role. He just, he just fell far short of the mark for me. He did it right in that Ted Bundy one. Did you see that? Yeah, I guess he was okay in that one. Yeah.

I mean, he wasn't awesome, but he wasn't terrible. Yeah, he was, I guess, kind of like, not quite subpar for me, but in the middle, I suppose. But yeah, not too bad. You're right. That's a good one. That's a good example, Philip. But yeah, this one, I just think that it was just really, really. choppy the way it was filmed.

I mean, it seems like one scene went in, and then there's all of a sudden, there's somewhere else. And then, you know, you've got why they made the change with one particular character, I have no fucking idea. Maybe that was actually in the book.

Maybe they were trying to make that scene on the chicken farm there, a little bit more like what was in the book because it was totally different, obviously, from the first movie, with Louise Fletcher in that role. So that kind of surprised me. Oh, oh, the scene with the cat.

That's the one that I remember from the book, where she accidentally sets a cat on fire. That makes sense. Yeah, it was. Scratched her. Yeah. All right. Right. I'm sure there's animal activists out there yelling at me.

Oh, I know. Like, I thought as soon as they showed that, I was like, oh, they went there. Right. They fucked with cats. They have a problem. Send us an email. Go to thehorrorterns. I'm trying to think if there were any

any parts that stood out for me and they really weren't. I mean, that's the bad thing. I mean, even Michael Grayey's that's normally a great actor, I just didn't believe his story arc here. How he went from one end of the spectrum all the way to the other toward the end. I thought they did him a disservice. We'll get to it in spoilers. I don't think it's a great reason, but I think that gave a reason. Okay.

Well, we'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah, just a choppy movie, not very well filmed. I didn't think the story flowed too well at all from one end to the other. None of the performances blew me away. God damn, dude. The new head of the fucking shop. Jesus Christ, terrible.

Horrible. I disagree. Not scary at all. I don't think. So you thought. this one was more sinister then than Sheen? I didn't think sinister, but

you could tell she didn't give a fuck about who they needed to go through. Okay. That's fair enough. I'll take that. Martin Sheen, who's like bringing Coco and trying to be friends with everybody. Right. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Different acting approach for sure, right?

Yeah, probably. I've got a feeling that this one's probably closer to the book upon memory. Just now it's some scenes I think that I remember reading in the book are sort of starting to come back to me. Now, did they say that John Rainbird was a veteran of some kind in this one? Because they didn't mention it in the first one. I know, I know in the book it was. I don't remember, but I know he had previously worked for them.

Right. Okay, that's right. Basically shut him down. Okay. Well, I mean, I guess for this one, he would have been in like, he would have been fighting alongside Phillip or something, you know, but where were you guys at again, Philip? I was in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan, there you go. The devil's nut sack, right? Yeah. Yeah, not impressed, guys. This is a trash fire. All right. Brian, better or worse, 1984? This is definitely not better.

Yeah. I do appreciate some of the changes to some of the characters. we got to see a little bit more from the mother as far as what she can do as opposed to Heather Locklear which we got absolutely nothing I'm really

struggling to find some good point here see that's the problem see I don't even remember all the kills at the end right like that first one it was so memorable right because it was in the barn there was all that hay and you're thinking oh shit it's a wooden bar there's hey there's horses everything's about to fucking go up then you talk about the guy on the

golf cart for fuck's sake man in this one I couldn't tell you who died and who didn't I think they had people in the silver suits right the fire protect suits in this one yeah I didn't mind the people that was in the movie I just felt like as far as character wise

they were given nothing I don't I don't I don't blame like Zach Efron he wasn't great in this but I don't really think we got too much of his character because one minute he kind of seemed like he was a hard ask towards his daughter and the next minute he's taking her to get ice cream and...

Well, got to get ice cream, man. Come on. That happens. I did like the addition of Michael Grey Eyes as John Rain Bird as opposed to George C. Scott. He might as well as he's George Stephan. Right. Yeah, they I like they took all the

questionable lines and knee touching, took all that out. Yeah, they made him way less creepy and thus way scarier. Yeah, kind of scarier. Agreed. I do have a problem with the CGI.

They did have a couple of real stunt people on fire, but this movie just confirmed it just doing CGI in movies has got to be way more cheaper than doing practical effects yeah it's all I'm sure it is yeah so well it's dangerous

knowing that this was a remake and seeing the original you're kind of wanting to get to that finale I had a problem that the finale was 10 minutes yeah it felt way shorter than the original finali. The main girl,

Ryan, Kira Armstrong, I thought she was fine. I liked that we got to see her actually in school trying to be normal and interacting with other kids. Right. Trying not to set them on fire. Yeah. Yeah. Because in the original we pick up when they're already on the run.

And this, I like that we got to see them trying to be a normal family and normal-ish because, you know, They can't have internet or, you know, basically they're off the grid. And yeah, I like the different, Zach Ephron didn't have to, like, pull his hair and have, like, weird sound effects come on. He just kind of did a neck crack.

Tracked his neck. They explained, I don't know if they did in the original, but they explain why he bleeds every time he uses his power. And what they call him a pusher. he pushes people to do things. Right. I kind of like that they gave a little bit of explanation, but this movie doesn't hold up to the original. It's not as fun.

I think they kind of met... I would have loved... I know he did the music, and he's kind of not doing movies, but I would have loved if he would have got a chance... John Carpenter got a chance to direct this one. Yeah. Hmm.

How would that have gone, though? A lot better than it did. Okay, fair enough. But yeah, I don't have any other positive things to say. I tried. Yeah. Other things we'll talk about in spoilers, but. Yeah, this movie just kind of seems forgettable to me.

Like, I saw it a few days ago and already you guys are bringing stuff up. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that happened. Yeah, that happens. So by the end of the year, I'll forget this movie was even made. But, I mean, it wasn't terrible. It just, it wasn't awesome. And I think a lot of it hinges on that third act because it was so cool in the 1984 one. And in this one, it was kind of a letdown.

Like it was all in the one little underground building. and I you know she fought like two groups of people you said a mouthful man forgettable yeah I mean I like not to spoil it but I don't even know if that does I don't know it just it was okay this one was just okay for me I didn't hate it at least it was okay right

yeah yeah I didn't hate it either but I'm saying what you fell I'll probably forget about this movie tomorrow. And did the the girl had more powers than in the first one, huh? Yeah, we'll talk about that.

Oh, okay, okay. I see what you're getting at there. All right, well, let's do scores and spoilers. Lantz's score. Oh, man, this one's a three. It's a third. He tripped on it. Yeah, it doesn't get a Garrett-Collins, so it's got a three.

Brian, what do you think? For it being an hour and a half, I kind of felt like nothing happened. I thought them shaving, like you said, wanting that time shaved off the original one. I thought they were going to kind of get the stuff more quicker. Yeah, me too. It didn't really work. The cast was okay. I did like some of the changes.

It might not even be changes. It might just been stuff from the book. that they included that the original one didn't so i didn't hate it but it does it doesn't hold up to the original so i'll give it a five okay not bad that's a pretty good score man right right in the middle yeah the original would have got a seven if it wasn't for george c hansy scott gotta watch those guys hey uh yeah

i think i think five is a pretty fair score for this one like yeah i yeah i mean i didn't really have a problem with any of the acting i i didn't i don't even know what i had a problem with it was just kind of a boring movie and it was forgettable right no writing directing fuck i don't know one of those things It's something we'll put our finger on it in spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right. I do like that because the father is a telepath. Right. And the mother has telekinetic powers. She's able to move stuff with her mind.

Yeah, right? I love that she inherited both their powers as well as having her own. Yeah, that's pretty cool, yeah. Yeah, I didn't give that enough credit. I kind of felt like that's what they tried to do in the first one, but they just never said anything about it because going back to the original one, one of the scenes in the barn where she's getting mad and she's a, what is it, pyrotechnic, pyrokinetic or whatever.

Yeah. And like the faucets are spinning around and the handles are. Yeah, that was weird. What does that have to do with that power? But they would have said that she inherited her mother and father's abilities. That would have made more sense. And I kind of liked that they kind of threw it in here because it just makes her even more dangerous. And the John Rain Bird, we were talking about earlier, Lance, his kind of change of heart near the end.

Yeah, I thought that came out of nowhere, man. Yeah, I kind of go back to the line the mother said about once you see her, you'll understand. And I think he was kind of a whole cold-hearted killer until he actually got to see her and see how the special she is that he kind of changed. Well, and I missed a company that hired him to do it, locked him up. Yeah, immediately. Yeah. So the enemy and my enemy at that point. Yeah, I mean, who knows what they were going to do to him?

because it sounded like he sounded like he was experimented on unwillingly. That's how he got his powers. Yeah. Well, and coming from the book, it sort of makes sense. They experimented on some Native Americans first and then started experimenting on college kids. Yeah, and it might make, it would probably make sense that he was a veteran in this movie because of his shooting ability, sniper ability. Oh, yeah, that's true. That was a pretty rough scene, wasn't it?

But his body counts higher than the kids. He took out the guys in the fire suits at the end. Yeah. He had a higher... He walked in there, completely untouched and killed us. Which I do like that scene, especially when he drops down to his knees and he puts his gun down, except in his fate. Yeah. And I thought it was a really good scene because it's...

showed that maybe if she would have just killed him, that she would have crossed over fully. And there was still some hope left in her after burning people to ashes. So she might have been fully evil if not for that act of kindness, huh? Yeah, because there was some moments where she was promising not to hurt anybody, but basically saying sometimes it feels good. That's a bad sign. because that one kid in her school if it was me he might have been accidentally lit on fire a couple times accidentally yeah several times that little chucky kid i mean at the very least he was a ginger so it's not like

you're killing a soul right oh jesus christ but um like i brought up earlier i like that we got something from the mom right which i don't even think they said what her power was in the original one. So I just assumed that it was like the dad, but she was actually able to move stuff. Yeah. And I like that she tried to defend herself

using her powers, but it wasn't no match for him because he basically was like, you're out of practice, you haven't been using it. Yeah, because she'd been subduing the power for whatever reason. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I don't have much

to say in spoilers on this one, guys. I know, man. It's so forgettable. That's the problem. The cat got fried. Yeah. We already talked about that. Pre-spoiler. A big and sort of pointless move,

except that it was in the book, and they probably were like, well, we should. I imagine they had a giant conversation about it. Right. Yeah, and... They said the book. I love it.

A scene that we brought up earlier, we don't know if it was in a book or not, was the... Right. The, who were they? The older couple? The older couple? They're definitely in the book.

Yeah. If they're definitely in the book. Yeah. That scene's not in the book where she speaks to him, where she speaks to the wife. I think they might have threw it in here to show you that she inherited her father's power. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.

That makes sense. Good possibility. Which, I don't know. I like the little girl in the movie, man. Especially towards the end where she was like a badass and she walks in and just starts annihilating everybody. That was kind of cool. Yeah, I wanted more of that. Like the lady that she was going to kill and was trying to plead with her that she was going to help her get out.

And then she basically just incinerated her. Is that the one where she said, liar, liar pants on fire? Yeah, that was a little ridiculous. I really thought they were going to cut to the lady and her pants were actually on fire. CGI fire pants. Yeah, that was a face palm in the middle of the movie. I was like, oh, they did not. The tone was kind of weird to me because like that final finale, the little 10-minute

shortened finale, like the lady that got incinerated to Ash, like they kind of cut away and don't really show her get incinerated by Ash, but there's a couple of guards before they show you, they show them to get straight shot to the head, like on camera. Right. Yeah. So why? Yeah. The top is kind of off. Choppy.

It was just the movie, like I said, there was just something choppy about it. It just didn't flow. Well, maybe a lot of it was just in editing. Yeah. Probably so, yeah. And why were they edited it down to an hour and a half? I mean, they could have thrown 20 more minutes in there, you know? Yeah, true.

Glad they didn't, especially finale. For all we know, this movie probably was the same runtime as the original, and they probably shortened the finale. Okay. I think you want to short a finale. Yeah, I think they tried to go with more character development. I think they dropped the ball on that one. They did little things here and there that I enjoyed,

but it didn't save the movie for me. As the Black Saint would say, they got Blummed. And that could be another reason why the budget was what it is, because we know Blumhouse, they like to work with a small budget. It's kind of like their thing. they just spent it all on Zach Efron Probably Who didn't need to even be in this movie

It could have been anybody right? Yeah Oh and I did like the explanation That why he believes He's essentially hurting himself Every time he uses his powers Yeah I said it was like synapses Or what was it again

It was like Terry I forgot but yeah he's he's basically Fucking up his own brain Yeah, bleeding in his brain right? Yeah Yeah that makes sense Now I do I seem to remember that for the book as well.

What's that? Oh, just I'm glad. I'm glad they took away. Like, he had to grab his hair. I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind if he had the sound effect, though. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, the sound effect was it like that 80s. I like the neck crack, though. It was a little creepy at first when he first did it. They probably just told both actors, do what you do whenever you're about to take a massive shit. So Zach Kratfrax his neck first and then goes, now we know. And another thing I like to.

Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I kind of like that they kind of, like I said, they try to give us little things about their backstory. I like that showing how he makes money. He's supposed to be like a... Oh, yeah, that was kind of neat. Yeah.

I don't know what he's like a counselor or a therapist. or something. Got people to quit smoking. Yeah, and he's only accepting cash payments only. Right. Yeah, although if you're hurting yourself doing that, it seems like it'd be worth a little more than a hundred bucks, Bob. He didn't even get

a hundred bucks on that one. Yeah, that's right. She was a little light. What do you tell her? Oh, I know you're good for it, right? On the next session. Never saw her again, because her problem's fixed. Right. I wouldn't come back. Surprise, surprise.

I think that's it for me. Did we cover everything? I think so. Yeah, I am kind of curious why they made that change with the old couple and made the wife bedridden. Yeah. And again, I got to read. I actually, you know what, this may actually inspire me to reread the book. So if nothing else, you got me to reread it because I kind of want to know how, which

one was closer. And really quick, I'm looking through the cast again. Red Foreman. Yeah. Yeah? Was in the movie for like two minutes? Was he playing the same doctor as the original movie? I think so. But then they never touched base with him again. They were offering him a job. Yeah, I think he said yes, didn't he? They offered him a job. He said yes. And then we never saw him again. Yeah, because they made it seem like this character, because he's basically telling him, she gets older she might develop how he'll create a nuclear bomb

right yeah and then they offer him a job and then we never see him again he literally disappears that's so weird man all his scenes got cut what was he what was he playing with was that like that candy colored sugar stuff that's in the straws

that he was making little mountains of or I don't know but I bet there was a whole storyline there that got cut out of the movie I'm telling you that's what I mean man choppy choppy this this wins the

2022 choppy award yeah just us talking about it more maybe this was a better movie and it just got cut to shit when it was an hour longer we're gonna need a Snyder cut a fire starter

it'll be on Netflix for no no it won't it'll be a peacock yeah for four weeks a peacock Poppy God. All right. We ready to bring this thing home, boys? Yeah.

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They're hyping this movie up. Oh, men? Yeah, one of the best horror films of the year type. Well, you better not drop the ball. It's going to be less than you think. unfortunately it's not going to live up to that hype no it won't I think it's going to be good but I don't

hopefully it will but it gets the same amount of hype if it's some kind of well Lance you might be hard for it more because I'm hearing it's kind of in the genre of folk horror ah oh I'm very intrigued

yeah yeah I mean I'm super intrigued with the first trailer somebody told me not to watch the second one So, yeah, I'm ready, man. I'm super intrigued. I'm trying to get out of a meeting Friday so I can go see it early, but we'll see how that goes. I might end up checking it out Saturday, but it's a must watch for sure. We all love Denialation.

Yeah. Was it Ex Machina, Ex Machina, whatever, how you said? Fantastic movie. He's wrote a lot of good movies. too. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what. We're all going to be there

because we're covering it next week. So, uh, Philip, until the horror, Christopher Walkin, until the horror returns again. Good. A night. That was not it either.

I don't know, man. I do my voices randomly. They don't ever talk about it.