The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #318: Sinister (2012) & The Black Phone (2022)

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

This week the check out the brand new The Black Phone, as well as Sinister. Cool of the Week includes The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, Thor: Ragnarok, and Beavis and Butthead do the Universe. Trailers are They/Them, Smile, and Barbarian. The podcast spotlight shines on The Beauty of Horror. And we get feedback from Matt Wood, Tim Davis, Xim Vader, Jenn Nangle, Charles Rosenay, RADIO-FEAR, Andrew Slaw Art, and HappyHorrorTime. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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My co-host, Philip and Brian, what's up, guys? What's up? Not a mucho, man. Yeah, I'm here in Austin helping my sister pack up. Get ready to move to New Mexico with mom. Oh. My God, I'll never complain about my wife being a pack rat again. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. God damn. It's just nothing but. No. And she's just got non-organized piles of clutter everywhere, man. And she fucking refuses to throw anything away. I should come see our storage. When we moved, I was just like, why do we have this?

Yeah. Why do we still have it? What's the point, right? Yeah, that was good. We got rid of everything last time we moved. Oh, that's great, man. Yeah, it's, I know my mom did. There was a lot of stuff she did.

want to get rid of, but I kind of made her. And she still ended up getting a storage room. And she told my sister, she said, don't bring more than what will go in your mobile home that you're buying because storage room is full all the way. So she already put that bug in her ear. Did you keep the storage, Brian? No, we got another. We had to get a bigger one.

You put the wrong direction. Right now, I'm to the point where, like, if, it has nothing to do with the kids and it's none of my like collectibles then it can go but at this point like some of my collectible I got like 250 Funko Pops

that can probably gonna sell them I still don't even understand how Funko Pop became a thing they were they were cheap and they came in damn near every character yeah that's true

that's how they still like I got this one here. I had to , Black Christmas Funko Pop. Probably can't see it with the glare, but it's a little bit of a glare. Red, Red Miller from Mandy, all bloody. Oh, there's good, man.

Does he come with a vodka bottle? No, I wish they would, like, you know, where he was in the shirt and the underwear. Yeah, that would be a good one. And, uh, can't see again with the glare, but, uh, cheddar goblin. Oh, nice.

I had to get it. The Mandy one looks stupid, which is kind of sad because the movie's like with her name. Yeah. But Funko sometimes gets me when they, when they, because that was like something you wouldn't even think a collectible made of is the movie Mandy. Yeah. No kidding. Which I heard. I heard there's a website where you can, you can buy that axe that he had in a movie.

I wrote about that too. Yeah, I did hear about that. Like somebody actually designed it and makes them, right? Yeah, like hand-makes each order. Yeah, handmade by order, Philip. It's kind of awesome. It'd be a cool thing to have hanging on your wall. Yeah, it'd be a good thing to have him autograph, right? Yeah, plus, you know, self-defense. And I did pick up the steel book for the unbearable weight of massive talent.

Of course you did Movies It's definitely Right now It's definitely a top five movie right now Oh wow Okay I enjoyed it

Even more on the rewatch Very nice Well is that your Is that your cool of the wait man The Steel book and the rewatch then Yeah I'll say that's my rewatch But I did watch a couple of comedies

This week That was super busy at work so I only got a couple things, and that was the new Beavis and Butthead movie. Oh, God. Beavis and Butthead do the universe. All I got to say is

the Metaverse has come to the Beavis and Butthead. Are you serious? Yeah, if you enjoy Beavis and Butthead, you'll like this movie. It's just them in our time, in our time, and then you introduce the Metaverse, but if you don't like Beavis and Butthead, you're going to fucking think this movie is the worst thing you've ever seen. Well, I don't know.

They sort are like dumb and dumber. Yeah, sure. And they never age. But yeah, I guess you probably are going to have to like Beavis and Butthead to enjoy this. Well, there's a thing that happens where in the movie, I'm not going to spoil it, but basically you can have them the same age now. Say that again? You can have them the same age now as they were. Are there multiple beavis and buttheads?

Are they in the multiverse? There is a multiverse, but you follow the original. Huh, okay. So it's like the original Beavis and Butthead, but now they're trapped here. So they walk into like a gender, I don't want to spoil too much. No, I'm sure. But they walk into like a gender studies class. Actually, they wash up in Galveston.

Right, right. Probably at a restaurant I've been to. But they walk into this gender studies class and they have white privilege explained to them. Right. They're like, oh, I didn't know that. They walk out of the classroom and start kicking people over and taking shit. And they're like, man. Yeah, they go on a complete ramp page.

And it's just like, don't, don't blame us. This is what we took. We was told this is our right. I didn't know. I don't know. We have white privilege. So, it was so funny, dude. The whole movie was fucking hilarious.

That's, right? That's my goal of the week, too. Oh, man. Don't get too much away now. Yeah, but I'm going to, I'm going to jump in on that one because since we're talking about it, we'll throw in the Beeson butthead thing. And, yeah, dude. It was way, way, way better than I thought it was going to be.

I really was expecting this. Nice. And it's on your favorite network, Philip, right? I know. It's on Paramount. Hey, my mom gave me your password. I'm doing Paramount in the living room. Okay.

It works pretty well. They've got some pretty good stuff, man. They got some great stuff. Yeah, they got some great stuff. You know what's not cool the week that's on Paramount Plus with Beavis and Butthead? Hmm. The TV show, because they took out all. the music videos they watch.

No. That sucks. That destroys the show. Yeah. They start talking about Guar. Yeah. Playing Guar videos. You're like, holy shit.

What is that? Speaking of Guar, there is a Gwar documentary coming to shutter, I think, in a couple weeks. Very nice. Let's see. My second movie is a movie that came out, I think, yesterday.

And it's the new Kevin Hart Woody Harrelson action comedy, The Man from Toronto. Okay. That has a lot of potential. Essentially, I like that theme up. Essentially, Kevin Hart is taking his wife

to a cabin on her birthday. He drops her off at a day spot to get, you know, pampered and whatever. And then he goes to the cabin to get everything ready. He goes to the wrong one. He walks in on a interrogation. happening and they think he's this guy they're waiting for called the man from

Toronto who's coming out to be interrogate. Like the man with one red shoe. Remember that one? Do I look like the man from Toronto? Well, they've never, no one's ever seen the man from Toronto. Okay. All right. That sounds awesome, dude. Where is it available?

It's a Netflix movie. Netflix. Okay. Well, we got to keep our Netflix subscription for now then. It's decent. I laughed I laughed a couple times. Right. You know, it's what you expect Kevin Hart to do. Gotcha.

So a couple of laugh out loud moments, huh? Yeah, and there was a pretty good, I don't want to say it was a one-take fight scene at the end, but it was almost a one-take fight scene. Oh, wow. And which Kevin Hart was hilariously getting thrown it through the air. And because he's so small, it looked like they just really threw him. Maybe they did. Maybe it was a puppet.

Those are the best. But yeah, I think that's, yeah, that's all I had time for. No, Amityville? Oh, no, you're doing that different separately, right? Yeah, no, Amityville Wednesday. I still got to do those recordings. I'll get to them. We know you will, man.

We have faith. coming to Patreon soon all right we have faith in in our Amityville guy man yeah I'm starting at the beginning so ah yes back to where it all began so the good ones

and then it goes downhill gotcha is that it torture dude I don't know why you do that yeah I'm looking through my list uh let's see up that's all I got all right well I'm

doing a MCU rewatch with the wife. You're doing the full rewatch or you just going to movies? We're doing just the movies. Yeah, she's not down for the TV shows, but we're going to, we're going to do all the movies. So we're up to my cool of the week, which if you guys remember, I didn't like it as much as you guys did when we reviewed it. But on, it's actually my third viewing,

because when we were in D.C., it came on and we watched it then. But Thor Ragnarok, man. It does get much better with age. For me, anyway. I got a lot more out of it this time. I'm hearing we're going to end up saying Love and Thunder is our new favorite Thor movie. Tycho Watiti also, right?

Okay. Well, I will tell you this, in that makeup, Kate Blanchett was fucking smoking, dude. She was amazing. They said she needed help getting in that outfit. it. Oh, I would be happy to help. Be right there. Yeah, it was, it was, it's a good one. It's one of the best.

Guardians of the Galaxy, let's see, the high point so far, the first Guardians of the Galaxy was awesome. Oh, I guess Captain America Civil War, that was a really good one, especially since they brought Spider-Man in and Falcon. A lot of new characters in that one. actually, no, that was where Falcon first came in, right? And then I know he showed up in Amnian. Winner Soldier.

Okay. All right. Gotcha. There's somebody else. That's my favorite Captain America movies. Oh, you know what? Fuck. The twins.

Magneto's kids first showed up in the Civil War, right? Wanda and Kick-Ass, Quick-ass. Yeah. A lot happened in that movie. and I had forgotten how much. But yeah, Thor Ragnarok, my favorite so far of the batch. It's my favorite MCU movie period. Yeah, it's mine right now too, I think.

Anybody ever think it was weird that Wanda and her brother were married in Godzilla right before they did you to MCU? I think the movie came out like months apart. Yeah. A little awkward, right? All right. Cool of the week. Brian, you got any news? I didn't get my notes done either, but I'll just try to skim through,

see what we got. I know we got some more screen movie casting. Some new actors, or they're bringing some other people back? New actors, I think as far as bringing anybody back, it would just be from the last movie. And then Hayden Panettiary and... The cheerleader.

Yeah. Let's see. You guys remember the movie Cam? I think... Is that the one where she had like a double? Yeah. Yeah.

Huh. Okay. She is going to... The actress Madeline Brewer is going to be in a new social horror movie called pruning. Okay. Which I know going through like her R&DB, I see like she does like a lot of, she does a lot of horror movies, but there are more like psychological kind of horror movies. Kind of like on the lines of camp was. Wasn't she in the Handmaids tale as well?

Yeah. Okay. So she has a lot of the psychological. She's trying to bring psychological horror back from the 90s, huh? Yeah, she was in that movie that people didn't, a lot of people didn't like, but I thought it was okay. I think it was called Braid. I didn't care for that, man. I wanted to like that a lot.

Yeah, I didn't get it. But I liked the whole, well, Philip, you seen it? Uh-uh. Okay, I won't spoil it, but just. You might check it out. There was a lot of stuff that was happening that baby wasn't really happening. Oh, yeah. And I thought that was.

was kind of good, but I mean, it wasn't great. It wasn't great. Netflix is rumored to be doing another Texas chainsaw Massacre. Yeah. Well, it makes sense, right? It's like every year, another Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie comes out. Yeah, I mean, I read that it was kind of mixed on people liking it, but I guess the viewership for it was, like, super high. Yeah, that's all that matters, right?

Okay. Even if people tune in to hate watch it. Yeah, I'm not like mad at it, but like... Right. Man, then we've had a shitload of Texas Chainsaw Masker movies lately. They're going to start their own MCU. No kidding. TCU, Texas Chingsaw Universe.

We could do a multiverse. Yeah. Oh, that's a great idea. All the different leather faces in one movie. Only if Nicholas Cage shows up with his oversized chainsaw. He can be like the ash of the movie in battle with all the leather faces. Philip, would you buy a ticket for that one? Oh, yeah.

And they also need to have like a Tucker and Dale versus evil version of it. Yes. He's like the good guy and he's just trying to get along. Oh, boy. Yeah, that poor misunderstood leather. face, huh? Yeah. Okay. The newest casting for Scream Six is Henry

Zerney, I think that's how you pronounce his name. The only thing I recognize him from, he was the father of the family from what's that movie? Samara Waving movie, right? Yeah. Um, fuck. Come on, help me out here. The wedding, ready or not? Yes. Ready or not? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was the the head of the family.

he was in a TV show called Revenge that was on for about four seasons not to offend anybody but who cares well it's just a network show you know no I mean screen thing again like right I got you I see what you're saying keep that keep that fire of burning

huh yeah fresh off of her role in crimes of the future Leah Sado is going to be in Dune Part 2. Oh, okay. So they're still stacking a cast on this one.

Have they shot any of it yet? I think they're filming now, but we won't get it until next year. All right, well, we can wait for that one, right? Yeah, I guess that's not a bad thing, you know? Just give it a little bit of air to breathe before you get it in next year. So, yeah.

Yeah. I'd rather than take their time on it. Yeah. To get it right. And I guess we can finish off with, uh, Jason Blum recently came out and said that he believes that he can get Robert England to come back and do another. I heard about that. Yeah, I heard about that, man.

I, why not, you know? Fuck. Everybody else is coming back for legacy roles. Yeah, it's just he's, you got to get the rights. But he's, I think he's confident because the rights. Because the rights have just reverted back to West Craydon's family. Okay. So he just has to talk them into it, huh?

Yeah, he wants Friday the 13th and a nightmare on Elm Street. But, of course, with all the legal troubles when Friday of 13th, who knows when we'll ever see. Can't copyright a day, man. Nobody on a speech. Snowsberries taste like schnizberries. Jesus Christ And let me skim through here real quick I think that's it

Yeah that's it That's all you get That's all right man Because we got a we got a handful of trailers tonight Courtesy of Brian So Phillip you ready to go down to the trailer park Let's go Oh shit wait a minute guys

The trailer park ain't what the trailer park used to be You know how much my sister paid for a fucking mobile home? A thousand dollars. Custom built mobile home? I bet you they got them for $300,000. Dude, $160,000 fucking dollars. Yeah. Yeah, that's insane, right?

So anyway, you may not be, might be only the boozy living in the trailer park from here on out, but it's going to bring you the big, the small. and I think at least one of these was very, very weird. So, Brian, you ready to take it away, man? Yeah, we are going to go over to the peacock. Peacock. My peacock. Oh, we still owe everybody that video.

When the fuck are we going to do the video? I haven't forgotten about it. About a peacock? Nah, the goddamn moose. The origin story. Oh, my peacock. Oh, okay. I was lost for a second.

What are we going to do, Poppycock? It was being the Marcy's idea. Marcy's written a script and everything, man. We'll get it done. All right. Well, anticipations is half the fun, right? I was even going to get a moose haircut for it. We'll get it done just like I'm going to get everything mailed out to everybody.

We'll get it done. Okay. Yeah. Oh, Al, your T-shirt's finally on the way. Adam, you're next. By the way. All right. The new Peacock original movie is They Them.

That's, uh, quick enough. Besides Kevin Bacon, I'm trying to figure out what the fuck's going on. All right. Let me get this right. The, uh, the LGBTQIA. Oh, okay. That's the, oh, the they, them is the gender program thing. Okay. Empowerment tale set in a gay conservation camp. Oh, what? What could go wrong? I heard of this movie.

I think it's basically a slasher where they think they're going to a regular camp. Okay. I hope somebody gets gildo the dildo. Oh my God. I'm sure it's coming. Are you watching The Boys? I'm not. I'm way behind.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that very, that opening scene with a shrinking guy that sneezed. Well, if you want to see someone get killed with a delto. Ah, okay. Watch the new season of the boys. There you go, Philip. Or you can find real life. It usually starts with Florida Man.

Yes, yes, that's right. Speaking of which, the Florida Man podcast, Brian, did we ever make contact with them or anything about doing a show together? I told them, I gave him the email and told them to shoot us an email. know when they ever get a chance. Cool. All right. So the ball's in their court.

Yeah. But, you know, they're busy. They're doing Florida things. Rassling gators with dildos. That's really. But, yeah, I've heard about this movie. It's essentially, like, they're going to a camp, but it's really a gay conversion camp. Oh, God.

I knew it. I knew it. If you're not going to convert, basically, you're going to convert, basically, you're going to, going to die. Converter die, Philip. And Kevin Bacon is the main camp counselor, right? Yes, Kevin Bacon. The man that should have been Freddie Kruger. So this could be good, actually. I mean, it's kind of an interesting, actually, it's kind of an interesting story with that spin on it. Yeah, the, the, if they play it safe, it's not going to be good. Yeah, and unfortunately, they're going to play it safe, right, Philip?

I mean, how can you not with a movie like that? What are you going to put in it? That's what I'm worried about. I know, I know. Can't have Beavis... Dance around on the fucking lava, man. Yeah, Beavis and Butthead show up. Or Spikoli.

We'll see. And even the way that Devis and Butthead did it was respectful and fucking hilarious. I can't wait to see that. I'm like... This one... Mah. We'll see. I'll watch a movie. If it was a series,

uh-huh. Yeah, it's just a movie, right? I'm not fucking turning it on. It's a movie. It's a movie. It's a movie and it's directed and written by a guy named John Logan,

and I'm looking him up. He has wrote movies like Skyfall, the Aviator, and Sweeney Todd. What? Really? Holy shit, dude. Like an Academy Award winning writer. Yep, he's,

uh, Okay. Hey, I like that movie. Rango. He's even, he was right on that movie too. Underrated. I've only seen it once. Yeah, it's a good Western man. With a gecko. Yeah. So, like I said, if they don't play it safe and they just kind of put it all out there, so to speak. Sure, sure. And it's a slasher. So we got to get some good kills. I don't want to just see regular stabby, stabby with the knife. So, but I'm, I'm already paying for Peacock because of WWE, then until the company gets shut down because of Vince McMahon. You're paying for Peacock.

You're paying for the cock. Which, who knows, who knows? Heard said he, man, took its toll on me. Sorry. I heard, yeah, that's all right. I heard Vince has costing WWE already millions of dollars. Impossible loss of, uh, endorsements and

oh boy I mean at least they're taking steps to rectify the situation right yeah they what did he do again uh he used company funds to make payoffs for uh women excuse me

one one woman allegedly yeah they think is others touchy touchy touchy feely yeah okay no it seems like they were actually surprises anybody you're right what did you expect

The only mistake was that he used the company's money in night. Ah, okay. Well, you know, he should have just paid himself a bonus and then paid her. It's a tax right off, baby. It is a tax right off. Yeah, but, you know, like I said, the last time we talked about it. By the way, and maybe revise some things. Right?

Yeah, like I said before, when you're a publicly traded company, you got a lot of partners and you got a board that you answer to. So, I don't know. There's a lot of. crazy things I'm reading going on, like who leaked the information, because coincidentally, before all this happened, his daughter stepped

down. She was a chief branding officer. Okay. She stepped down from her job, quote on quote, to be with the family more. Mm-hmm. But now, since he had to step down a CEO, they made her CEO. And there's a lot of questions on who released this information.

Uh-oh. Because now she's the CEO, and her husband, Triple H, is back at the performance center where he was, like, building stars, which he had, I don't know, left or was asked to step down with that job, and now he's back. Well, hmm, hostile takeover, huh? Is this, like, part of the storyline, or is this, like, real shit going on? Oh, this is real.

But it, or is it? Because it is wrestling, so. Well, they've already lost some top wrestlers that one, if Nez was here, he'd play her fucking theme music. Of course he would. She's already, she's already brought her lawyers in to get her release, you know. So there's a lot of, there's a lot. Basically, there's a lot of people backstage that work backstage and wrestlers that are just not wanting to be there and what's going on. sounds like they have the leverage right now

yeah like i said like i said before sell it to somebody that wants to run a wrestling company yeah yeah and just i mean vince is like he's like 130 just let it go i mean he can't let it go but 130 it kind of sucks when you had that kind of stranglehold on it because like look at what happened with uFC i mean they brought in a bunch of other well mixed martial arts category Strike Force and Bellator and all that, but they never as popular. Yeah, they kind of were, I still religiously watch MMA, but I'm not quick to watch all of UFC's stuff because I feel like they change when they sold to a bigger agency company or whatever. And now, like, everybody that was brought it to where it was before, well, it's still there.

It's still the top company. But all those guys are, like, minority owners. And, like, Dana White only owns, like, 10% of the company now. And the frititas own, I think, less than that. Oh, really? Yeah, or it could be done. Yeah, or it could be done. Yeah, or it could be done.

Yeah, it's from Galveston and Houston? I think so. The restaurant, uh, yeah, like Rainforest Cafe and all that. I know they, I know them from, uh, they own casinos and stuff like that. Yeah, that's them. Yeah, golden nugget. Yeah, they. They own the Rockets there for a minute, didn't they?

I think so. They need to own them again. Right. They need to own the Cowboys, right, Philip? Fucking somebody does. I keep giving Jerry chances, man. Everybody, yeah, Jerry, Jerry, and I'm like, right? Jerry's the Vince McMan of the Cowboys.

That's kind of what I was thinking when you said. I know. I like the guy. Unpopular. Yeah. I like the guy. I think he can do it. but fuck

Cowboys I promise you that Okay screwed yeah next thing you know next thing you know he'll be putting on a uniform

and a helmet and going on there to play All right what do we put on a Landry cap and he wants to coach Oh geez Oh they them That's what we were talking about

They them All right August 5th On Picar So the consensus is We're going to watch it Since it's a movie Not a series

Yes Gotcha All right think if it was a series it would be stupid. Right. And I'm all for it if they go all out with it and they have some good kills.

At least one dildo kill. Something. Butt plug. Something. Oh, you could do some damage as one of those sides. A spiked butt plug. All right.

In the ear. Another one, this is a supernatural horror movie called Smile. I don't know if I want to read this in lengthy synopsis. I think we got the gist from the truth. After witnessing a bizarre traumatic incident involving a patient, Dr. Rose Carter starts experimenting, experiencing frightening occurrences that she can't explain. Rose must confront her a troubling past.

Of course, she has a troubling past. order to survive and escape for horrifying new reality. Let's see who stars in this because I did not recognize anybody. And did they not learn their lesson with a smile in that truth or dare movie or whatever it was a couple of years ago? That movie is fucking stupid. I know that was. Let's see. This star is Sosha Bacon.

Not Sosha. Karen Cohen. She related to Kevin? Maybe. Could be. Kevin Bacon, not Kevin is? Well, could be either one. Bacon is that the family name?

I mean, she ain't got no trivia. Sosha Bacon, huh? I think I said her name, right? I know the last name is bacon. It's saucey bacon. Got to be related to Kevin then, right? Who is this directed by? Parker Finn

What the hell have you done Parker Finn Probably not a goddamn thing I think he's done a bunch of shorts And this is his first feature film Kevin Bacon's suiting him Wow That is certainly possible

The thing that kind of makes me want to watch this movie Is I get a ring vibe Yeah Okay And I can see that My daughter is interested because she kind of jumped at the end of the trailer when the girl's neck kind of did that thing. Oh, that was pretty creepy, wasn't it?

Yeah, she was like, this looks okay. And then that happened. And she was like, oh, okay. I'm in. Oh, hey, guys. Okay, we got it here. Trivia. Daughter of Kevin Bacon and Kara Sedgwick.

Look at. There you go. Is this her first movie? Um, I don't know, man. Let me see. She's, um. She's been in mayor of East Town, which I heard was a great show. That was a good show. 13 reasons.

13 reasons why. Okay. That one actually wasn't bad. I saw like the first season of it. Oh, I did see. I did see her. She was on the Scream TV series. Ah, okay.

There you go, man. The good season. The first season? Yeah, the good season. Don't watch the third season. That's what I keep hearing. But yeah, it gave me a scream. Not scream.

We were just talking about a scream. It gave me ring vibes. I don't know why or what brings on this supernatural thing, which has got me kind of curious. I'm kind of glad they didn't reveal why this happens to people. I think the creepy smile. was done a lot better than Truth or Dare because that Truth of Dare was just

fucking ridiculous. Yes. So, I mean, this could be good, this could be bad, it could be so bad it's good, you know. Well, we... I'll watch it. Like you guys said, we need to look for movies to flesh out our bottom

10, right? Yeah, I mean, this could be like... Could be a contender. Could be that movie that we didn't expect coming to be good. Sure. That's true. It's happened before, that's for sure. It could be, and they did do a better job of that, but it does have kind of a truth or dare vibe to it.

To me, it did. Immediately raised my guard. I'm like, well, not that I won't watch it, but I don't expect much. It's like the writers had a movie night where they watched the ring and then Truth or Dare. You know what? We should make a movie putting these two together. They were passing around A joint

All right Smile comes out I don't know It's coming out Before the end of the year, right? I don't know why IMDB They'll put it at the top And they'll put it at the bottom

Okay, here we go, September 30th Ah Well A little before Halloween Right Which actually, I mean, when you start hearing about trailers months out, it's not usually a good sign. It's when you hear a trailer and you're like, you know, here's a brand new trailer and it's out right now. You can get it on VOD.

Yeah. Yeah, true. You know. Well, I guess we're going to find out. Our next movie is barbarian. But in the trailer, did she pronounce it differently? I don't know what's happening. I'm not sure.

This actually looked kind of interesting, at least. Let's read the synopsis. That was Pennywise, right? It was one of the Scars Guards. Okay. They have a younger brother that looks just like him. Ah, maybe it was Little Pennywise then. Let's see.

In a town for a job interview. a young woman arrives at a Airbnb late at night only to find that her rental has been mistakenly double booked and a strange man is already staying there. Against her better judgment, stupid, she decides to stay

the night anyways, but soon discovers that there's much more to be afraid of in a house than the other house guest. That kind of gives something away right there. This is directed by one of the guys from the whitest kids you know. Sketch.

Have you ever seen that? No. Oh, I don't know. This sketch show. Oh, my God. Yeah, my sister's boyfriend was, we went down to YouTube rabbit hole last night with a whole bunch of, we like watch like Bow of the Fifth Column YouTube channel. You heard of that guy?

No. He's like a real country guy, but he's super, super liberal. So we watched that. then we watched some Joe Rogan stuff, and I sent you out of the links for a UFO show. We watched Philip, one of the UFO segments. No, I've already listened to that whole episode. He has, like, scientific guys talking about UFOs on. Count me in.

Those are my favorite shows. I just watched a clip of him with Brendan Shav, and he basically was talking shit about Brendan's first comedy special. Oh, really? It was like talking shit but not directly talking shit, just kind of throwing in a little... Because that special's known as... Yeah, that special is known as one of the worst specials ever put out. Oh, he's the one that got him to quit MMA.

He needed to. I mean, you get... You're a heavyweight getting knocked out that many times. Yeah. I really liked him when he was in, though. Yeah, he's in a little bit of a little... trouble lately. Uh-oh.

Is he? Yeah. I'm not going to get into it, but with a couple of women, so. Uh-oh. Yikes. If you guys, I'm not going to describe it, but if y'all want to see a really funny

little seven-minute sketch segment, go to YouTube and look up, why does kids you know, Lincoln John Wilkes Booth sketch? Okay. You got to check it out. That might give you a feel for what we're in for with this movie.

Anyway, sorry to get us off topic here. All right. No more Wattie's kids you know and Brendan Schaub. Let's see who's in the cast for this movie. Georgina Campbell, which she looked, she's easy on the eyes. Oh, yeah. Oh, it is. You're right, Lance.

It is Bill's Cars Guard. Yeah. Pennywise knows his women, man, you know? Justin Long is in this movie. I didn't see him in the trailer. I like Justin. long. This guy.

He's got some of cameos now, it seems like. Sure, sure. This guy, Trevor Van Uden looks like a younger, uh, what's,

what's Gary Bucy's son? Jake Bucy. Jake Bucy. He looks like a younger version of him without the teeth. Right? Without the teeth. This is direct.

A more cracked out version of Gary Bucy. Oh, boy. Well, if you can imagine that. This is directed by Zach Krieger. Let's see what he's done. Nothing. The widest kids you know, right?

Looks like he's done a lot of TV. Which is not bad. The Russo Brothers did the biggest Marvel movie ever, and they directed comedy on TV. Did they really? Yeah, what did they start out with? Oh, Lance, you're going to make me look at him. Yeah.

No, it was something big, right? Yeah, because they, It was something comedic on TV, and the whole thing was they can't do action. Why are they doing a... Oh, God, damn it. People are yelling at us right now. This is something we should know. Yeah, they did Civil War, right?

I know they did Winner Soldier, right? They did Win a Soldier, Civil War, and the last two Avengers movies. Well, holy shit. God damn, man. Oh, look at Jordan Peel. He did comedy, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And the fucking Krasinski, the office guy. Danny McBride, he wrote the Halloween movies. That's right. Comedy and horror, man. That's what we've been saying. Mm-hmm. Yep. They're in the same vein.

They go together. They have a community. Oh, fuck. Well, no wonder. That's a genius. That's one comedy sitcom series I'm actually, I actually want to re-watch. it's so good especially when they get into the darkest timeline stuff you guys ever seen community

I've never seen community oh my god Troy and Abbott in the morning you get a check it I know who's in it and I haven't seen clips but I if you showed me a picture of the cast I would be like oh that's community

yeah well you know everyone in it I mean yeah they've all gone on to big things all right what did you guys think of the trailer? Because this looks like a stupid reason to stay at this Airbnb and find out something is more... A miss? Yeah, there you go.

What's a surprise? Yeah, I'm intrigued, though. Yeah. It looks interesting. It's just, I feel like if I watch the movie, I'm not going to get over the fact that why the fuck are you staying at this Airbnb with this fucking guy you don't know. I mean, what?

Just because you took... his picture of his ID and sent it to somebody. It doesn't mean he's not going to talk to you. They both booked it. She paid for it too. You're just going to leave a hotel that you paid for because some other assholes stand, like he's there?

Well, I mean, I can try to get a refund and not die. Yeah, I mean. That's true. Or get raped or whatever, right? Yeah, I mean. She could be putting herself in all kinds of danger.

But didn't she watch it? Yeah, come on. It's Bill Scarlet. But even the synopsis, they give away that it's not him. Or is it? Or is it? Maybe he's the part of it. Maybe it's more than one person.

Maybe there was a crazy sex torture room downstairs or something. Maybe Arnold will show up as the Borgonan, the Bavarian. It's 50 shades of gray. If Arnold shows up as Conan, I'm in. Yeah, I was concerned about the barbarian thing. I was like, what the fuck? I got to re-watch the trailer. I think she, because I think it's the address.

But I kind of felt like she said, Babbarian. Oh. Oh. So I could be mispronouncing it, but. I was like, why is it called that? I think that's the street name, so. That may be a twist then.

So, I mean, I'm intrigued, but it's not necessarily I'm going to watch it. I don't know if this is theater or if you'll D. I'm not going to watch it right away. Yeah. I don't think it looks bad. I'll be happy to watch that one. I like Bill Scarsgaard.

Yeah. I think he's a talented actor. And especially if he's playing a creepy role, he does that pretty good. That's true. Because you know he does that eye thing and Pennywise, for real. Oh, yeah. Which is way creepy. Yeah, which I watched something and they didn't know he could do it.

He was like, look what I could do. You want me to do it for the character? And they were like, yes. Do that. Does he have like a fake eye? What the fuck is that? He's just able to move one eye like that. And I think he can move up both eyes like that.

That's super creepy. He's an alien. I always wondered how do you figure out you can do that? Like when people do weird shit, like I always ask him, how did you, find out you can like bend your body like that. I mean, nobody just thinks they can just do that. I decided to make funny faces one day,

and that's how it ends up. That's what happened. He got stuck like that. Yeah. Let's see. I just lost it. Biberian. Oh, that's not Bavarian. It's one of the Russo brothers. I am lost.

Thanks, Lance. All right, here we go. Babarian. It comes out when it comes out. It comes out August 31st. Ah. And I'm going to go out on the limb and say this is probably VOD.

I think so? Yeah. If theaters. Paramount plus. Way too. Yeah. If theaters, then. select theaters. It's not going to get a wide

release. Looks interesting enough. I'll watch it. And that's the trailers. All right. On to listener feedback. This week, the podcast spotlight shines on the beauty of horror. The beauty

of horror is a podcast dedicated to exploring the unsettling beauty found in the horror genre. Each episode, your host Chandler Bullock, welcomes a different guest from the realm of horror to talk about a horror film they find beautiful and why. Hmm.

Hmm. I like it. Yeah. They set us something on Twitter. I think this is a poem, but it's a, I can tell this was to thank us. Okay. Or it's a quote or something. She is the most grateful for your adulation.

No. Spread thebeautorg for even more beauty horse. for discussion art and more. Oh, wow. Thank you. I'm intrigued. I'm going to check it out. Hey.

I've heard an episode. I can't remember the lady's name. She basically wrote for all different horror population. Publubulations, I can't talk right now. Yeah, thank you. Magazines? Magazines, books. That's a great awesome website.

But what I liked about his interviewing is he kind of got more, he didn't just ask the questions you would think he asked. He just kind of got more to know her and how she came up before she started, you know, writing for horror magazines and books. Should have known it. Mid Samar is one of their featured films. But get this, would you consider this movie beautiful, Brian, the sadness? I guess in its own way, huh?

Yeah, it was beautifully gory. Yes, it was. Have you seen it yet, Philip? I don't think I have. But I like that. Let's twist our perspective on what we're looking at here. How about sometimes this week we do a quick review on the sadness because it is. I'm down, yeah.

It is on shutter. Okay. Yes, that will be fun. Philip, the kids cannot be around. Okay. No kidding. Yeah, I don't think you want that. It's not only, it's sexually violent as well.

Oh, yeah. I don't know how beautiful that one can be, but all right. Well, yeah. We got their own, I guess. It was directed beautifully. How about that? There you go. It's just, what was that game they played, Nutcracker?

Yeah, they played Nutcracker with somebody. They played Nutcracker. Hey, Beavis and Butthead play the game, kind of like that. Did they? What is that? That's nuts surprise me. Beavis's nuts must be non-existent right now. I know.

Look at that. The last one he got at the Science Fair when he was flying through the air, the way he was screaming, I was laughing. It was really hard. Oh, no. I'm going to have to watch that. I'm going to have to watch that tonight. It's great. Matt Wood says,

just listening to the jungle cannibals commentary, many thanks for the birthday shout out. Unfortunately, no ecstasy or glow sticks this time. I was recovering from gastroenteritis. So wiped out. It didn't sound good. I hope you feel better, Matt.

Yeah, no problem. Yeah, he should have been parting with venom. Then he could have had the glow sticks and the ecstasy. Does I like you, Tim, Tim Davis? I'm at both ends. a guy. I don't know what that... Oye. Vomiting and diarrhea, I'm assuming. I've been there.

Yeah. Regarding the possibility of England playing Freddie one more time. Zim Vader says, I hope so. Considering he said yes to choose or die, I think he's a solid chance. There's a bottom

10 for me for this year. I don't think so. I think it'll be moved. All right. We're going to see. Yeah, the only drawback on Anglin coming back, he's 75 now. Is he really? He doesn't need makeup then. Yeah? Just a little hot grits on him.

That might be even creepier, a 75-year-old, Roberting. If they're going to do it, they're going to do it. If they're going to do it, I like for them do it sooner than later. And in the movie, do kind of a passing of the. torch kind of deal. Yeah. Ah, okay. Well.

But then still the question is, if you're going to do a passing of the torch, you got a, again, find. Yeah, which the last one. Jackie Earhart, Haley, great actor, but he was horrible as Fred. It didn't work in that movie. Yeah. How about a they, them, Freddie? Kevin Bacon.

That's going to be there. There you go. I've been championing Kevin Bacon for a while. I think he can pull it off. Yeah? Well, he's no spring chicken either now, you know? And he could. What's that, Philip?

I bet he could. And if you want to do, if you, if you still want to do the whole child didler angle that they tried to do in the remake. Kevin Bacon didgan did do that one movie. Oh, the woodsman. Yeah, where he was a didler. Isn't that where he met Cara Sedgert? I think so. So we get a new horror movie actor out of that pairing.

Yeah, but then I think of that fucking stupid movie he did last year with the house. Oh, oh God. That was, yeah. You should have left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The book was called House of Leaves. He did the darkness, too. Geez, our first ever review.

I just tell people that we should. I just tell you what we did poltergeist. Paltrygeist. Next we'll be Poultry Geist, huh? We, I wanted to, for us to, oh, we might. Thanksgiving? Yeah, we might go commentary. All right, I'll give a hope.

We neither might do poultry geist or thanks, thanks killing. Ah, okay. Sounds good. All right. And a friend of the show, Jen Nangle, aka Malivia, the Queen of Screens. Malvolia. Valvolia, my bad. Says, we started today with a out with a contribution.

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Yeah. All right. Regarding the upcoming film, Bones and All, Radio Fears, sounds like a good time. Bones and all. What is that? It's a new horror movie starring Paul the Trades.

What's his name? Oh, Timothy Shalameh. Yeah. Yeah, he is nothing but skin and bones pretty much. He looks like, he's like 20-something, right? I think so. Somewhere between 16 and 20-something. I had to look it up.

He looks like a child. That's what I was saying. Yeah, he's one of those guys that could definitely play a teenager if he wanted to. I am interested in his Willie Wonka movie. Yes. Okay. Speaking of Schnazberries. Yeah.

I've got to watch Super Triggers now. We're going. He's already pulled over. He can't pull over any further. He is 26 years old. Ah, okay. Damn. He looks like he's 12.

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This week, we're going to go back to the theaters for the Black Phone and also check out Sinister. So we'll start with the oldie-but-goody. Sinister, 2012. I guess it's not that old. Uh, watched 10 years ago, right? Yeah. Uh, washed up true crime writer, uh, Ellison Oswald finds a box of Super 8. Ellison Oswald.

What a name. I know. It's not like a serial killer. Uh, he finds a box of super eight home movies in his new home that suggests the murder that he is currently researching is the work of a serial killer whose legacy dates back to the 60s. Uh, director is Scott Derrickson. also known for Doctor Strange and the Exorcism of Emily Rose. Oh, great movies. Some good ones.

Writers, Scott Derrickson with C. Robert Cargill, also known for Black Phone. Yeah, I believe that's like one of his writing partners. Okay, sense. Some trivia. The family that was hanged on a tree were all played by stuntmen. I hope so. I am. I expect them to actually put people up there, but okay.

Right. However, when the scene was first done, the stunt coordinator botched the preparations for the scene, resulting in the actors being legitimately hanged and choked. They're all dead now. Allegedly. Fortunately, they survived, and the coordinator was fired. Did you say, unfortunately, they survived? Aye, aye, aye.

Do you think that's the shot they used? I don't know. I hope so, man. That's like a cursed film, right? Yeah. It's a legit cursed film. They almost died a little bit in Kurtz film. Right.

The scenes showing the Super 8 home movies were filmed on a real Super 8 video camera to capture the grainy, nostalgic effect of the old movies. That's pretty cool. I thought so. Yeah. Yep. I thought so. All right. Lance, you're going to start us out?

What did you think about sinister? Good movie, man. Very sinister. Definitely a feeling of unease throughout the film. It was a very good tale of obsession. It was a good tale of somebody that was, I guess, on top of the world with one of his previous works. And then he hasn't had a hit in a while and the links that he'll go to, like even hiding from his wife, the truth of the house that they're living in and that type of thing.

and just gets drawn. I think it was 10 years from his last hit book. Yeah, and 10 years later, the Black Phone, right? So maybe there's a pattern here. I mean. Yeah, I know. In the, yeah, the character spent 10 years since he'd had a hit. A hit book, right?

Kentucky. So, yeah, there was, yeah, there was definitely some desperation there. You can see him kind of descend into his obsession. needless to say there's you can draw some analogies to like you know porn obsession perhaps or addiction to you know watching TikTok

videos or what have you I love the way that they showed the little demon like in the background and like when it was on the laptop and he turned and looked away and the demon turned and looked at him and then he went back and it was

yeah I really I really enjoyed that I won't say too much about the ending. I'm going to save some for you guys to talk about, but the ending to me was a little bit contrived, like I thought they could have done it, just a bit better. It was a little too neat, tied up a little bit too quickly, I believe, but very well filmed throughout, lots of really good lighting, lots of good use of sound, and you've got all the creaking, creaking noises in the house, things of that nature, the children in danger, children in peril, and then evil kids are

always are always great subject matter for movies. So all in all, a very creepy, enjoyable horror movie for me. All right. Brian, what do you think? Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said, Lance, except I thought this movie was dark as shit. I'm like, just anybody eating any lights. A little trouble seeing at times, huh?

Who eats dinner in the dark with one little tiny lamp on in the background? Yeah, that was kind of. Kind of silly, right? But for the most part, I thought the darkness did add to the atmosphere, along with the, I thought the music was great. It kind of just added to the creepiness, especially when Begul was coming or when he was watching the videos. I agree with your point on that he was obsessive with trying to get, be back on top to the point where he's moved his family, which you come to find out this is a thing he does. he moves his family to wherever location he's doing research on, which is crazy, because you get to see their house that they live in at the end.

I'm just kind of like, why would you leave this house, you know? Just go rent a damn Airbnb or whatever they had in 2012. And then somebody else is going to be there that also paid to stay there. Oh, Bill Starsguard. Right. But anyways. I like Ethan Hawks portrayal. in this movie of...

I do too. You can see how he's kind of going on a downward spiral. Like, the more he watches these videos and seeing these families get killed horrifically, the more he's drinking

and... Smoking and... Fighting with his wife, you know, just... Because he seems like a good guy, but just the more deeper he gets into it, you get a scene where he's just outright. You know, she has a legitimate point she's making,

and he's just like, oh, I just, I just need another hit. I'm so close. Yeah, he almost went full Jack Torrance, didn't he? Yeah, I thought the kids were pretty good. Yeah. Especially, I thought the look of the

ghost children was pretty good compared to I tried to watch the rewatch the sequel, which is not good. Oh, part two. There were three of them, though, right? Total?

No, they just did two. Okay. The second one, Scott Derrickson, and didn't direct that one. And it's not nearly as good. No, they tried, the death scenes and the films, they used the same grainy look, but they tried to, I guess, up the Annie on the deaf scenes,

which I thought was unnecessary. Oh, what did you guess think? What did you think about the lawnmower? That was my favorite. My favorite one was the lawn chairs being pulled into the pool. That was pretty, yeah, that was rough, man. I'm sorry, Ron, I didn't mean to interrupt you. You were talking about the grainy look.

Yeah, they were trying to up the ante on the death scenes, and I thought it woke your, it just felt like trying to trying too hard. Gotcha. And then the ghost. That can happen. The ghost kids in this kind of had, like, their skin was kind of cracking and. Yeah, like porcelain. And prisoners in a ghost land look a little bit. Yeah.

And in the second one, they just look like they just haven't been in the sun in a while. So. Pale kids. But I mean, if you do want to watch it, what is that? James Ransoni, who plays the deputy in this one, he does return it the second one. He does? Yeah. Same character?

Yeah. Okay. He's kind of investigating what happened to Ethan Hawk in that one. Ah, okay, okay. But actually, I wanted more from his character. I kind of liked his character. he started out as the super fan

that just wanted the autograph and he kind of evolved into his investigating partner and he kind of... I like that moment where he was like, I know I'd come off as a super fan, but I'm, I did go to college for forensics

and I'm not stupid. Tell me what's really going on because I can tell more going on. Yeah, yeah. I did too. And... I think there's more to this guy than just you know, doofy than being do-eat doofus. And I think

what just really I loved about this movie was just Ethan Hawk. I think he just where his character was in the beginning to the end. And this is probably his most Ethan Hawk looking Ethan Hawk we've ever seen because he had the

goatee and the crazy hair with the little sweater bet not sweater vest, but the little sweaters with the little patches on the... Yeah, there you go. And I just like his performance. They gave you enough in the beginning on who his character was in the past with the sheriff saying, I know about you. I don't want you in our town, you know, you make cops look good or look bad, you know, for doing work that they're supposed to do.

You know, I like everything about Ethan Hawke's character, I think was done good. and I can't think of the actress as Nana played his wife. I liked her too because I liked everything she was saying because everything she was saying you couldn't really argue with. You know, she just was protecting her family, you know. Well, can you imagine moving into a house where people were like slaughtered and then not telling your wife that? Yeah.

Because she was already upset thinking they moved. Well, a matter of fact, they didn't, when in the beginning, she thought they just moved into the town. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they said two houses down or something like that. Well, if you actually go back and watch it, she didn't even know that until the police came. And then she was like, don't tell me we moved a couple houses down.

Oh, boy. So in the beginning. Yeah. Oh, no, not that. Do we definitely not a couple houses away? And I like his reasoning later on when she finds out. He was like, you asked me, did we move a couple houses down? And I said, no.

So I wasn't lying. Yeah, he wasn't lying. That's true. That's a politician answer. Yes, it is. I think if anything, you should watch the movie for Scott Derrickson's directing because this movie looked good, right atmosphere, music, everything, and then you've got to watch it for Ethan Hawks' performance.

Yeah, agree. You know, for some reason, I think they came out at about the same time. I always get Sinister and the first Conjuring movie kind of mixed up. I think around the same time. Yeah. And I don't know that this is what I thought it was. Ethan Hot popped up and I was like, oh, I forgot about this movie completely. And it was a pretty good time, man.

It's a really genuinely creepy movie. I like the, I thought I remember the demon being kind of cheesy, but I don't think that he was. I think they're thinking of insidious, right? Insidious. That's the red. That's the one I get mixed up. Darth Mall. Yeah.

That wasn't Darth Mall? I thought we were going to watch. Maybe it was Darth Mall. It looked very Darth Mauly and insidious. Don't they call it the lipstick demon? Is that what they call it? I think they do, even though he doesn't look like he's wearing lipstick. He looks like a dog.

But Philip, answer your question, the Conjuring came out less than a year after this. But insidious is the one I was thinking of. That's what I thought I was watching. And then Ethan Hawk popped up and I was like, oh, this is not the movie I thought it was. No,

really good time with this one. I kind of forgot it existed because I mixed those two up all the time. And it was a pretty solid horror movie for the new age. You know, I like it. so no real complaints on this one i kind of like what they did with the ending

and you we get the kingpin as the the expert that they got to go to oh yeah i love that anytime in anything yeah and this movie didn't go the way i thought it was going to go because i started thinking maybe the town isn't on like a conspiracy and i thought denofrio was in on it and i thought the dewey was in on it i don't know i just was getting those kind of vibes and then it ended up being something totally different. You know what? There was a drop line, not drop line, but a line that was said when he was getting his family out of town and he got pulled over and he said,

Oh, that's right. Let me know if anybody bullied you out of town. Yes, that's right. So I kind of see where you probably get that. Yeah. I thought maybe the town was like a cult or something there for a little bit. Could have been. But other than the cops. You didn't, I don't think anybody, the cops in the family. That was all that was in this movie. Yeah. That was about it. Yeah. It's like nobody lived in this town. Right.

It is. Don't move into a haunted house. Scores. Lance, what do you think? Seven and a half. Okay. Fun, fun time. Yeah, good movie. Very creepy. The ending, like I say, the ending, the way they brought out that the lost ending

sections of the film was a little too neat, a little too well wrapped up. But then when the little girl said, Daddy, I'm going to make you famous again. That was chilling. That's what he should have. Punched her in her face. Right.

Yeah, like punching the girl off the rocking horse or whatever. I mean, the merry-go-round. He should have Alicia Silverstone her. Yes, yes. And Mark Wahlberged her through the window. That was one of the greatest scenes of any movie I've ever seen. He caught that thing and punched her. she flew across the fucking stream.

Oh, that was so great. Brian, what did you score? I'm going to go a little bit higher and say eight. All right. I was close to eight. Almost a perfect film. I did have a little problem with some of the lighting. I just felt like this family just didn't pay their electricity bill at times or something.

I don't know what was going on. They didn't buy enough lamps. and um Amber lamps yeah uh Lance I agree with you on the ending they they could have tightened it up a little bit better and made it

I don't know maybe I maybe they didn't even need that whole ending they just could have gone with him getting out of town yeah but I kind of like that dark twist and that that final scene of B'gul I thought was fucking dumb cheesy yeah yeah very cheesy But like I said before, you got to watch it for Scott Derrickson's directing and Ethan Hawk. Agreed. He carried this film. And I'm very critical of child actors. I thought both kids or even the ghost children, which I didn't even mention before.

I like the way they were moving in the background while Ethan Hawk was like walking like regular speed. They're kind of in slow motion. Yeah, right, right. I kind of liked that. And so the kids were pretty good. it so eight yeah well and the sun which you know that's about

the age of the actor that is typically what's up Naz hey Niz yo what's happening man I was trying to get in all these other times I don't know my computer's acting up so I'm on my phone all right well whatever works we can hear you loud on here we're doing scores on sinister

Brian your lighting just went to Sinister's lighting I'm going to give my score real quick. I think it's a seven and a half also. Good movie. Nice. All right. Nez, you got a score for Sinister at all?

Uh-oh. There's Brian. Uh-oh. No, Nez is muted. He's there. There's Nez. No, my grandsons are in the background screaming, so sorry about the answer.

That's all right. We had dogs barking earlier, so it was good. Yep, yep. Uh, did you just sinister. I love this. really, really loved it the first time I watched it. I hadn't seen this in a really long time. Eight and a half.

Nice. Highest score yet. All right. Well, let's move on to the new one then. So we all really like Sinister. Yeah, definitely worth watching. It's not insidious, is what I can tell you. I like Insidious.

I liked all of them. No, I didn't have a problem with Insidious either. I just, I keep getting these two movies mixed up. You like the last key? No, not the last key. Yeah, Brian, we're doing it. 31 deads. That one was the insidians.

Putting it on the list. Yeah, that's right. Oh, boy. Ouch. All right. The Black Phone, 2022, in theaters right now. After being abducted by a child killer

and locked in a soundproof basement, a 13-year-old boy starts receiving calls on a disconnected from, from the killer's previous victims. Director is Scott Derrickson. Writers are Scott Derrickson and C. Robert Cargill based by Joe Hill. All right. So same guys that did the last one.

Scott Derrickson made this his next project after leaving Dr. Strange in the multiburts of madness over creative differences. Could have been better because the first Dr. Strange was definitely better than that one. Uh-oh. Spoiler alert. In the movie, the grabber donned several creepy masks throughout the film, each exposing different portions of Ethan Hawks' character's face. The mask was designed by a legendary prosthetic and makeup artist and friend of the show, Tom Savini. Hey, check that out.

The first time Mason Thames saw the iconic mask, he said it was terrifying, coupled with Ethan Hawke's bone-chilling performance. as the grabber. All right. Lance, what did you think about? I'm going to pass. I'm going to go last on this one.

Oh, you're going to pass? Yeah, no, I'm going to, yeah, I want to go last on this one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Nez, you want to go since you jumped on for us? Yeah.

This movie was fucking awesome. I loved it. I did jump once. There was one scene that I was like, whoa, what the fuck? I wasn't ready for it. I didn't think it was going to be that kind of movie. So I was like, oh, okay.

I didn't really know much about it just except for that first trailer that I saw. So I was like, all right. And Mike was going off about it. And one of my other friends saw it. And he said it was hella good. So I'm like, all right, well, I'm going to go see this. It was a packed theater in my showing. And pandemic is over in Reno, Nevada.

Yeah, right. But the little character that stood out to me, Ethan Hog, he's good and no matter what he's in. I really love the mask. Yeah. I thought he looked the creepiest. This is in the trailer is when he first grabbed that kid. When he just had the hat on and he had like the white face.

Yeah, sure. I thought that looked really creepy. Little Gwen, Finney's sister, Matalaj. McGraw. I thought, to me, I thought she was the standout from the film. I mean, nothing against Mason, whatever his last name is, Finney. He was good. His buddy, Robin, that little kid was tough. A kid with the Cheech and Chong shirt. He was badass. Oh, the martial artist? Yeah.

It was hell of good. He was my favorite character. I wanted more of him. Jeremy Davies, I hate that guy. The only reason, the only reason, the only reason I say that is the first movie I saw him that I remember him in but I know he had been in previous other films that I had seen. I hated him as person. I think it was no, Percy's

Green Mile. I can't remember his name in Saving Private Ryan. Okay. Because he just... Oh, the guy, the reporter guy or whatever? Yeah. He was like the translator and everything. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. He like pushed out

at the end and let that guy die. Yeah, he left the real Adam Goldberg die. Yeah. So I was like, after that, I mean, I'd seen him in plenty of other films and everything, but after that role, I was like, oh, I hate this dude. And I hated him in this. Yeah.

I didn't. I didn't. I did. I go get into spoilers. I hated this guy. Yeah. You were supposed to. Yeah, but, oh, man.

I, uh, no. You guys ever seen rescue, rescue Don? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a piece of shit. in that movie too. So I think that's his thing.

He's just typecast to play those roles. Yeah, it's like... He plays a squirly little bad guy. Yeah, it's like, we need a piece of shit for this movie called Jeremy Davies. But, yeah, with that being said, everybody that was in the film did their part, all the, all the teenagers. I thought they were all good. James Ransom, he was good. I hated the two detectives.

They just got on my nerves. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean... Fetledame, huh? Yeah, Ethan Hawke, he just sold it. But this was a different time, everyone. This was in the 70s. Yeah, of course, of course.

Kind of anything goes back then on how they were treating people and everything. But with that being said, it was a really, really good story. It kept my attention. It flew by really fast. I'm glad it wasn't 10 hours long. And if they sell these masks, I want one, because I just thought it looked amazing. Oh, they will. They will.

Yeah, Ethan Hawk, man, he killed it in this film. I mean, no pun intended, but he was awesome in this, and he was really creepy. All right. Brian, what did you think? I'm going to have to steal one of the Nez's things here by saying this movie was hell of good. I kind of, I don't want to say I had low expectations, but they weren't as high as everybody else was. I think that I was hearing but Ethan

Hawk killed it as this character because he was he was kind of it was like he hit a switch you know he kind of play I don't want to say nice and keep he almost had a politeness to him but it was a scary kind of politeness you know

yeah like when there was a scene he's bringing him food and he's like what did you put in this he was like oh salt and pepper yeah you know just no that was that was frighteningly polite of you. I don't know how to put it, but I'm assaulted.

And Madeline McGraw as Gwen, I fucking loved her in this movie. She was a badass in this movie. She was, I liked her character. She was always there for her brother. Never, never just

lost sight of that. And just, I love that scene when the police are talking to her and she calls him a a dumb fucking fart knocker, you know, just I lead it with fucking and end with fart knocker. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, can't go wrong. Yeah, that scene was just, I don't know, it was just great, you know, and the principal's just like, Gwen, stop. And she was like, but they fucking think I was, I'm the grabber. They're fucking stupid, you know. Yeah, right.

Mason Thames themes as Finney I thought he was good I liked his character you know but I also agree

with Nez I think his friend's name was Robin the little martial artist kid yeah okay I liked him throughout when we got him

whenever we got him in the movie I was about to spoil something but whenever we got him in the movie he stole the shirt yeah

yeah and I like the kind of a different same difference that we got with Sinister because in that one it was the kids come you know basically they were the antagonists or whatever you know

And then in this one you know they're helping out Right and I just like that whole thing and yeah Great movie Not as violent as I thought it was going to be But you didn't need that because What you were hearing was being done to these kids and, you know, kids being snatched period is horrific.

Yeah, scary. Yeah. And I really like the mask, too. I like the mask was different variations of it can come apart and how he would wear it and yeah, great, great movie. And James Ransoni,

a little bit we got of him and the movie was fucking great as the grabber's brother. So, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. All right. Yeah, sorry.

He's pulled half the damn thing. It happens. In the description of the movie. Oh, is it? Okay. All right. Well, just that he gets kidnapped or whatever. But yeah, I kind of forgotten what this was going into it.

And like to the point to where I was looking up halfway through the movie and I was like, man, I'm not sure what this is supposed to be about, but I hope him in the right spot. I watched the wrong movie, damn it. It happens. But, yeah, then Ethan Hawk shows up. It takes him a while to get there. It's a little bit of a slow burn. Right, right.

But they also have a lot more character development than a lot of horror movies. Yeah, well, it's the 70s movie, right? So it's Slow Burn. I like the time setting, too. Yeah, I think they did a good job of making it feel like the 70s. Oh, yeah. Like, if somebody had told you that this movie was made in the 70s, it's this close to be unbelievable, you know?

Mm-hmm. What was this all that? Denver. Okay. Oh, that's right. Yep, yep. Just near South Park, Ms. But I loved what they did with the kid while he was locked up,

not to give too much away, but they have, like, MacGyver moments, you know? That's also in the trailer, too. Yeah. Well, but, you know. Yeah, there was a lot. There was a lot in the trailer, frankly. It was a little too much in the trailer.

Yeah. But how many movies do you watch where you're like, well, why don't they just try this? Well, this kid tries it, you know? And I like that. I think that's cool. It gives you a little personal ownership and problem solving. And I like the messages in this movie by the end of it. It seems refreshing to me.

So, yeah, dude, very, very impressed. Little bit slow going earlier on, but I'm not mad at it, and they definitely made up for it with the end of the movie. I love the ending. Lance? Well, I was really looking forward to this movie, because the trailer was amazing. And then the fact that they kept moving the date back further and further and stuff like that to make sure they had a packed house and all that. man, fuck this movie. This is a piece of shit.

I didn't like anything about this fucking garbage movie. It was horrible to me. What was horrible about? Oh, well, dude, it's so unbelievable, man. The kids using a piece of fucking ceramic to break a brick wall? Seriously? Really? Yeah.

That and then the... Well, you're going into spoilers. No, we're going into spoilers. That's the problem. And then there's a part at the end where he's like, try these karate or dance moves. or whatever, and I'm like, Are we in spoilers?

I'm just going to say, you guys said, you guys agree with rotten tomatoes, because it started out as 100%. Now, I think it's like 84%. So I'm in the vast, I thought the dad was just a, the dad was a caricature. The fucking father,

it was like a parody of a horror movie to me. It never scared me once. This was like scary movie six to me, man. This was horrible. The dad definitely was not a parody. Dad was an idiot, man. It looked like fucking Earl.

My name is Earl. I thought I was watching. My name is Earl there for a minute. He was like a white, trashy, alcoholic, abusive father. Yeah, dude, that's a real. Yeah, a little over the top on the way they made. I don't think he was doing it. Bad makeup.

Bad makeup on what? The dad. What? Are we in the multiverse? I don't know what the fuck is happening. I agree to disagree. Man, I love Sinister, too. So I was so excited about this.

I love the way they put the trailer together, and it just, I don't know, man. It lowered me down. Toward the end of the movie, I was laughing. It was just laughable. That some of the Ethan Hawks, Ethan Hawks performance was good, man. But yeah, that dad, I'm sorry. It is what it is, guys. So the dad.

We're not always going to agree on everything. The dad being in the movie for about 20 minutes, brewing the entire movie for you. No, not really, not just that. I don't even think it was 20 minutes he was in the movie. Yeah, I didn't care for the effects of the, well, of the black phone. See, I can say that, right, without spoiling anything. I didn't care for the way they did the voices.

I didn't care for the way that they set it up. I thought that McGiver stuff was stupid. Hold on, the effects of the black phone. What did it ring? What effects? well and then the voices when they get when they get into it

although it's sort of a trippy part of the movie so I'm not mad at that one okay fair enough you're ready for scores yeah we need to get into this yeah

all right uh Niz what's your score oh this is a 10 10 don't know suckers out like Oh, man. Right.

Brian. I can't. I don't give out tens like that, but this is a nine. I don't think there was, there wasn't really anything that I did not like about this movie. I thought the performances were good. Uh-huh. I think this is at the right point to where you can take your kids to see this, but not too, not too kiddie, if that makes any sense. Yeah.

It makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing overtly sexual. Yeah, I love the performances from, like we talked about before, how critical I am of kid actors. I thought the kids were great in this, even the little side characters were good, too. They played their roles pretty good. And Ethan Hawks, I loved his performance in it, and I loved the mask.

Well, there you go. You heard it here, folks. Yeah, I mean, I'm not quite there, but I'm going to give it a nice. eight and a half at least. Pretty strong. That's strong. Yeah, dude, it was a really fun movie.

And I thought it was, it was just, it was a refreshing to see a message like that. Because it's more of a, okay. Listen, man, nobody's going to say to you, you got to fucking do this yourself.

Okay. And more people would realize that the world would be a better place. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, he, he, not to spoil anything, but he benefited off that going on later on after that.

Mm-hmm. Built his confidence, though. This was almost, like you could say, it was, I mean, we've watched so many female puberty movies lately. Sure, sure. This could be a male puberty movie, you know. Don't get a lot. We don't get as many of those, do we? Yeah, well, and it's not quite as metaphorical or whatever, but you can look at it like that.

It's the guy version of that beautiful metaphor. Gotcha. Right. Lance. Philip, I'm going to use your old whenever we see a movie and you're like, electricity doesn't work like that. I'm going to keep going back to ceramic

doesn't work like that. Come on. Really, guys? If you were going to use that toilet lid for anything. Jesus fucking price, guys. Three on ten. Oh, what, though? Yeah.

We're in the multiverse, boys. All right. A madness. It's a wrong movie. Spoilers. Yeah. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Spoilers. Explain yourself, sir. It's easy. I can explain myself easily, man.

That father, that character was such a caricature, man. I kept looking at him and I, again, like I said, I thought I was watching a bad episode of my name is Earl. I thought they were going to go down and eat at the crab trap and he was going to get chuckled. His wife was going to get. I thought he portrayed that perfectly. He was abusive. Okay. You get the scene where.

I thought it was overacted. No, no. You get that scene where he's beating the shit out of his daughter just because the police came to ask her some questions. She didn't even get in trouble and he beat the fuck out of her, which I thought that. That was a great woman. It was from her. And they were getting yelled at for, like, being in the same time as him. Yeah.

I'll live for some of that shit, man. I'll tell you. I will admit. I liked her character. And I liked, like, like, when she dropped the vodka bottle, that was pretty cool. Yeah, that was, that was very telling on what she thought her father would care more about, the vodka bottle or beating her. Okay. I think what got me, Brian, was when you've got that one part where he's on the phone talking to,

his buddy that just passed away and he's saying you and you get that telephone that telephone voice like do we lose him I think so hold on taking a screenshot the multibucked by the multiverse didn't like the multiverse didn't like his you. The internet kicked him off, man. Are we still recording? Yeah. It still says recording.

But anyway, the reason why I didn't really care for that dude, other than the private Ryan thing, I, one of my buddies' dad was like that. Right. That's not a caricature. That's what dads can be. He would be. my friend and his brother that it was it was exactly

like that same thing he was alcohol mom wasn't around because she got she was just abused and couldn't handle it anymore so she took off and um I was because when I was sitting there watching it it was like I was right there again and I saw

and I was like fuck because that's the exact same part when when she was holding the vodka bottle um I was whiskey when when I saw it um and he she he my buddy was like you you care more about this than you do of us and it was almost like word for word what that little girl was saying and I was like wow and that really happened you saw that yeah so I was like damn yeah I mean that was that was

one of the things that I think this movie really really really touched as far as as real life I mean I know a lot of people that are listening probably never went through something like that but for me to witness that at my buddy's house and I was like damn it was rough it got it lasted a long time until they were old enough

to beat up their dad it got to that point and then it quit yeah it stopped after that they were old enough to like I ain't take one when whooping your ass and he doesn't drink anymore and he's a totally different person but yeah

That's a difference. During that scene, I was like, oh, man, that, that was rough. And the other thing, the other parts that they hit me with this was all the stolen kids, kidnapped kids. I mean, that's reality. I mean, that was real. And that was scary because I was telling my son and I was telling my wife, I said, you guys didn't need to go see this. You need to go see this because it's just, it's just, it was creepy. And that was like real life.

Maybe not so much later what happens with the supernatural. part of it, but it was just, I liked, I liked all the, the, the realness of the film before it got into everything else that was going on in the film. But yeah, that, that, that, that, that's, that just kicked it right in the, in the gut for me in the beginning with that scene of the dad and, and the, and the daughter. I was like, oh, man, and then just like how they had the tippy toe around him, like, he got mad that just the, the bread box opened up too fast and slammed him. made noise and I was I was like man it was exactly like that

so I was like I told my buddy dude I said dude you need to see this and he was like I already saw it I was like oh and that was it that was the end of the conversation but it was good but he said he loved the movie he liked he liked how it ended so I mean I was

I was good with that it was real in the beginning before all that but I understand what you're saying about the the McGiver stuff but with that when he was hitting the wall with the um the toilet cover the tank cover right you got you got to think about what those guys were telling like that first guy said look I started digging that hole but I didn't get very far the dirt was loose and as well as uh maybe it was a patched up hole yeah as well as the wall okay I could I can see that yeah because that that would yeah

I grabbed with that was like man that's a little too easy but then I was thinking about it I was like well those guys dug it out before so yeah and andy du frame in shawshank he tunneled out of prison with a tiny little rock hammer yeah that's right that over it like a period of a long time a long time that's true 20 minutes to bust out fucking two foot square circle the thing out of a well 20 minutes four inch thick concrete wall 20 minutes to us we don't know how long yeah that's true movie movie magic Brian movie man I got to drill a hole through one of those next week and I'm not looking forward to it. I bet it takes more than 20 minutes. I want to go back to Glenn.

With the drill. Really quick. I was thinking, I was like, how come Ethan Hawk, the grabber, how come he never came down? When that boy was down there doing all that stuff,

I was like, but then again, I remember him saying, oh, when I'm upstairs, I can't hear nothing that goes on down here. That's what he said. Soundproof door.

Yeah. Soundproof. All right. But then again, when he came in the few times of giving food or just sit there and creep out over him. Yeah. How did you not notice all the things that were in there? I mean, the hole in the wall. I thought about that too, man.

All those on the floor, but I was kind of like that. Well, maybe. Go ahead, Brian? I was going to say maybe it's happened many times before, and he's just able to. He knows there's no way out of it. He gives him just enough for. You guys are making some excuses for the writing now. It was awfully neat that he just happened to,

it was awfully neat, he just happened to have a T-Bone steak on hand for that dog. Well, but like, he was leaving the door unlocked and waiting for him to come up. He was giving him ways that he could maybe think that he was going to escape, just so that he could. He wanted him to play. He,

they, the, the, one of the ghost kids told him that he's playing the game. What do he call it? The naughty boy game. Naughty boy. I giggled it.

I giggled at that line too. Well, it's because of the, well, you got the flashbacks of him being told he's a naughty boy. And basically what was being done to him is what he's doing to these kids. Yeah. Makes sense. And I just,

I don't know. And going back to Gwen, she is one of the MVP's of the year. Because the way, yeah. Yeah, shout out. She had the shining. She had the shining, didn't she?

Not only that, but she had her brother's back. When the kids were beat her brother up and she picked up that rock and she lowered that kid's IQ for the rest of his life. I know shit. I was like, oh, is he dying? Look that way didn't it? And then go ahead. No, that's boring out at that kid's head. I was like, man, I think he would have been, unless he was just in shock.

But then I like, I just went sex. like oh man but and uh the other MVP was we didn't talk we talked about him a little bit was robin his friend okay because he beat the shit

out of that bully in the beginning yeah he did kids and that's what I liked about getting to see a bully get beat up that's what I liked about the kids kids got their ass beating this movie because we got a bill you got Billy from Stranger Things

who was playing pinball sure beat the shit out of that one kid who fucked up his pinball game. Oh yeah. I didn't realize that's who that was. Was that who that was? No, it wasn't. It was a different actor. Oh, he just kind of looked like him.

It was a young rock plant or something. But I thought all the child performances were great and just... Okay. I like the supernatural stuff. I like basically went ahead to shining.

She was able to... I like the one scene with the Billy. I keep calling him Billy from Strange Things. I don't know what it's That's all right. He looks just like him. Same exact here. Either that or Coverdale or Paige. She dreamed the scene of him riding in a cop car to see where.

Yeah. Because Billy remembered that he drove by the house that he was in. Yeah, that was kind of cool. Yeah. And I like how he loved it. I like how he got cut off from the call. When he got cut off from the call, Billy from strange of things, how he just kind of like got pulled back into the darkness all of a sudden.

That was, that was cool. And there's no telling how long these kids were dead either because they didn't even remember names or who they were. They had to be reminded. So, Lance, you're wrong. Sorry. Hey, not the first time and it won't be the last. I guarantee you. All right, you guys ready to move on and get ready for next week?

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