The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #323: The Reef (2010) & The Reef: Stalked (2022)

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

It's Shark Week at The Horror Returns as we check out The Reef as well as the brand new sequel. Cool of the Week includes F-Boy Island, The Bear, Ms. Marvel, and Reservoir Dogs. Trailers include The Sandman, Chucky, Let the Right One in, Pearl, Star Trek: Picard, She Hulk: Attorney At Law, and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The podcast spotlight shines on My Killer Podcast. And we get feedback from Mike Batchelor, Marcus Wilturner, Eric King, Warren Minnix, Steven Lowblad, Adam Thomas, Xim Vader, Tim Davis, and Lyle Huckins. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz  

victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back everybody to the greatest show on earth. It's The Horror Returns. And I'm your host, Lance, as well as my co-host, Philip, Brian. and we hope Kevin will

stop by later, but he's kind of jet setting going to private screenings and that kind of shit. So if he deems, yeah, if he deems to get down to our level and show up, we'll be, we'll be honored. And don't forget about the little people. That's right. Underway to the bottom of now he's here.

Oh, my. God. All right. We're glad you guys found us. We're a weekly podcast that deals in horror movies typically, and just like a lot of the cable networks right now, we are also doing Shark Week. Courtesy of Brian. So if we do what we're hoping. If we do what we're hoping to do, you guys might even be able to watch us on YouTube, at least for the movie review portion of the show. But we'll get the show underway. We start out with a little thing that we call Cool of the Week over here at the horror returns. So, Philip, what was your Cool of the Week, man? You know, I didn't watch a whole lot this week, except, again, F Boy, I cannot believe I'm giving this goddamn show, another shout out. F Boy Island. Yeah.

Yeah. No. No, they, like, stopped it. I think there's like one episode left or something. And it doesn't come out until next week. And I was like, what the hell, man? I just want to see the end of it. Now, F boy, is that what you call like a transvestite in one of those Asian countries or something?

Or is that a different? Am I thinking of a different term? That's a lady boy. F boy. Ah, okay. Fuck boy, which is the kid's term for douchebag now. Yikes. Okay.

And so they have to like guess which ones are the douchebags and which ones. and which ones are the nice guys. So it's entertaining. Nicky Glazer. Not what I thought it was. That's for me of yours. Oh, it's Nicky. What is it?

Nicky Glazer? Nicky Glazer, yeah. She's the host of it. She's pretty funny. Yeah, I like her comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen her for years. And I kind of is just getting better at the craft.

So they gave her. All right. Amf Boy Island, huh? Yeah. That and I watched the terminal list. Ah, so good things. Chris Pratt, it's on Amazon.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's Chris, Chris Pat, Chris Pratt as a special forces guy, just annihilating the fuck out of people. Yeah. Usually the higher-ups that did him wrong.

So it's, uh, it's entertaining. I think it's a Tom Clancy thing. Okay. Makes sense. Got that going for it. But yeah, it was, it was, uh, a pretty good watch. I enjoyed it. Nice. You want to jump in, Brian?

I actually am back in my groove, so I got a list. Nice. Okay. I've got one. Okay. I'll jump in there? Yeah. Okay. This is a TV show that I never really paid attention to, and I didn't think I was going to end up watching until a lot of the binge boys started talking about it over there on the binge cast. And some movie or a TV show called The Bear that comes on FX.

Yeah, you guys heard of it. Yeah. Oh, it's fucking phenomenal. That's a sex thing, right? You would think so. Yeah, that's kind of why the title was like, what the fuck? I thought it was a big gay Harry man. You know what?

Is it that it? Well, yeah, okay, that is what a bear is. But I kind of thought maybe. Shows a bit confusing then. Kind of like F boy. or girl boy or whatever lady boy. All right, I'll break down the plot for you guys, but I don't want to give anything away

because I think you guys are going to want to watch it. So it's only eight episodes, and it's only 30 minutes an episode. It's on FX, which means its own Hulu. You got a guy that was a super, super big-time New York chef, like we're talking Michelin Star James Beard Award, you know, all the accolades, but under a lot of pressure. And actually, his boss in the restaurant, or the restaurant, I guess, head chef that he trained under was played by, briefly by Joel McHale, who I didn't even recognize until afterwards somebody told me, but you want to talk about an effort.

He's a guy. He's probably, I was about saying he probably played an asshole on the show. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But, okay, so this dude, he's like super, super, super. high-tier chef, right? And under a lot of pressure all the time. And his brother passes away from a

drug overdose, okay? And, or actually, I think his brother killed himself, but he had been on a lot of, you know, oxy and stuff like that, and he ended up commit suicide. And in his will, he left the family restaurant to this chef, right? And so he's like, well, what the fuck am I supposed to do. I'm going to quit my, you know, New York life and go to Chicago where the restaurant is. And they deal with, you know, like the Chicago beef sandwiches and like, you know, burgers and kind of like pub fair type food. And this one younger girl looks up to him and knows exactly who he is. And she kind of becomes his protege. But in a way, she sort of ends up pushing him back to her greatness. So he inherits the family restaurant, which is, I guess,

just kind of pub fair beef sandwiches and stuff like that. And then all of a sudden he's in there and she's in there. And they're changing the culture. People are calling each other's chef. They're like coming up with all kinds of new items for the menu. It's just, it's an amazing fucking show. I'm shocked. Lord Ramsey kind of ass, huh?

Oh, my God. Absolutely, dude. I'm shocked with how good this show is. And then like the last two episodes are just, you guys ever seen the movie, uncut gems with Adam Sandler. It's got that feel to it, right?

Like we're, oh my God, holy shit, I'm just so fucking nervous on the edge of my seat. What is going to happen next? What can go wrong next? What can fuck up next? So it's an awesome show, guys. It's like my new breaking band.

Right now, unless I am totally blown away by, I think, because I think Mike Flanagan is going to have two shows on Netflix by the end the year because I think he's doing the House of Usher as well as another one so he may get me but if not so far this is my favorite show of the year hands down yeah I know the bear check I know Mike Flanagan I know we're definitely getting one of those shows before the end of the year so yeah only Flanagan could probably unseated at this point if anyone knows what he's doing all right earlier today this this was I wasn't going to throw this on the list because it's a new Amazon show called Paper Girls

it's based on it I haven't heard of it not lady not lady boys no lady boys no it's um I believe it's neither you're like that's it's on YouTube and then immediately get kicked off it's uh based it's neither a comic or a graphic novel okay there's real sci-fi adventure you kind of just I would say I don't want to spoil it

I'm only a couple of episodes in there are only about a little over 30 minute episodes okay paper girl you said yeah there's a some time travel involved I would say if you're looking to watch something after you're done watching stranger things. I would say watch

this because you kind of get that stranger things by, except, you know, with the four boys, you get four girls. Okay. Okay. It's a little bit, I can tell it's a little bit of a lower budget than you would expect from Amazon, but I'm perfectly

fine with that. And I'm gonna stick with it. I'm doing what you're doing, Lance, how you told me you do your shows, how you put them on post it. Yes. Except I'm making tears. Shows that I need to watch now. Shows that I can revisit and

shows I'll just get to eventually in my life. Yes. That sounds like a fantastic idea, but it does. It also seems like a lot of effort. Yeah. So, yeah, and Papergirls, I'd check what really made me want to check out the first couple episodes is it's got like a 93

on Rotten Tomatoes. right now. Okay. Impressive. Next up. I don't think I've scrolled across that one. I'll have to check it out.

No, I've never even heard of it until now. Next up, I checked out the first episode of American Horror Stories Season 2. The one with the dolls, right? Yeah. You know, it's what you expect from American Horror Story.

At the end of the first episode, it does connect to one of the seasons, Okay. Not going to spoil that, but I think it's your favorite season, Lance. Oh, so a pretty recent one then, right? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay. It actually takes place in the past. Okay.

Because you see a character from that season as a kid show up at the end. Interesting. Okay. The one that's the season that had the name game episode in it? I'm going Were there in an institution Of a sort Oh I thought I don't even know why we're going around it

I thought Coven was your favorite season Oh yeah no Coven was amazing I was like I really that Concerned about it Yeah I'm like I think we're getting further away from it Okay A character from that season

One of the main characters shows up at the end, which I wasn't sure what time period it was set in, but when the character popped up as a kid, I'm like, okay, we're way back in the past. Yes, gotcha. Makes sense. So is it said in New Orleans then? Yeah, I think so. Well, I would say so, because there's a – I mean, we're going to watch it.

There's a dinner scene where there was some dishes that sounded very New Orleans-based. Yeah, very Creole. Creole, huh? Yeah. We'll talk about the new trailer to Chuckie, but I actually realized I didn't watch the final two episodes, so I went back and finished that. And, yeah, I think the last couple of movies

and this TV show are the best thing they're doing with Chuckie since the original movies. It's fucking wacky. It's strong. They're bringing back characters from the first movies. Right. Like the actual actor. I still haven't watched it.

No, dude, you got to check it out. We'll talk about it in the trailer, but they're bringing back the kid, the kid or kids, depending on how you look at it. Oh, they, they, them. Glenn and Glinda. Right. Okay. The, Lance, the main, the blonde girl. Uh-huh.

She did a completely switch for me because I couldn't wait for her to fucking die. Oh, yeah, she was a bitch. But she's kind of part of the team now. Yeah, she turned it around. I have a feeling that phrase is going to pop up a lot today. You think so? What, bitch? I couldn't wait for her tonight.

Yeah, we'll get to those movies. So that was pretty good. Another new show I checked out. Now, I have no idea. It's a spinoff show of a main series. called Pretty Little Liars. They did a spinoff show. Original San, right?

Yeah, that's basically a slasher based. Doesn't that like a CW show or some shit? Yeah, that's my problem. I hate everybody in it, and I hate what's going on, and I feel way too old to watch it, but I'm going to hate, I'm going to continue to watch it because I'm a hate watch. Yes. There's about four or five.

Like Jim, Jim Law watching The Walking Dead. I think I'll have a lot more fun with a pretty little liars. Probably, yeah. It's just like, there's a part in the first episode where one of the girls in school gets blamed for something. And it's just such a, like, how the fuck did you all come to this conclusion so fast? And everybody's, like, just hamming it up with their acting. And I fucking hate it so much. Philip, yikes.

But they're all models, I assume. Yeah, I only recognize one person, and when she was younger, she was in the strangers, too. She was the daughter in that one. She's like, it's older now, but. Oh, yeah. But I... That didn't seem that long ago. Yeah, I didn't recognize.

Like, two years ago. And it does, it does kind of warn you at the end. There's going to be subjects of, like, suicide and violence and stuff like that. The old trigger warning that we have to have. have these days in our politically correct television watching environment. Yeah, I mean, the suicide, they give it to you right away pretty early. Yeah. People that got triggered by, never mind.

I don't want to. Go ahead. What were you going to say, man? Come on. Well, and I also kind of don't want to give away the plot line, but Thor loving them. There were some people that were triggered by some stuff in that movie because there was some serious subject matter that they didn't talk about in the trailers. cancer.

Then that would be giving the movie away. Yeah, I know, which is why I kind of didn't want to say anything. But that's the comic book. That's the comic book theme, though. No, I know. So if there's certain subject matter, they need to give it away in the trailer. For some people. Yeah, I guess.

All right. No, that's what they were saying. They would have liked to have known that going in because I guess it, made them uncomfortable. Well, you can still like... It's kind of what a movie's supposed to do. You can... Well, if it's doing its job, yeah.

You can still leave the movie and not watch it. Yeah. I have to stay. I mean, like I said, calm down people. Yeah. One more show I got to. A new Netflix show called Keep Breathing. Keep Breathing.

It's basically a survival thriller. Stars, I probably should have wrote her name. She was the main actress in the new screen movie. Billy Loomis' daughter. I think I can say that now. It's been so. Oh, yeah. Well.

Spoilers for what I've already. Basically, she's trying to get a flight. She gets on this flight. It's like a little small plane, little four-seater playing with two other people, plane crashes. And I'm assuming the rest, it's a limited season. so I'm assuming it's hard surviving trying to get help.

It's only six episodes. Okay. So I'm gonna stick with this. It's a limited season. Six episodes. They're about like 30 minutes or so. So is that your cool of the week? Which one reigns supreme? Not done yet.

Oh, okay. All right. But there's more. The M. Knight's Twist. There's more? The M. Knight Twist or the Jordan Peel twist, right? You know, Jordan Peele. Always does a twist.

Or are they brilliant? I don't even know if I'd call them a twist. I guess there is something that's going to be unexpected in a Jordan Peel movie. Unexpected, yeah, deeper than what you think it's going to be, right? And he's a comedian. So he tries to, he's probably his whole life, tried to think of things a different way than normal people think about them. And that always makes for a great movie. He's doing awesome so far.

Yeah, three for three for me. I went ahead and got a subscription to Streambox through Amazon. Ah, how much is that? I believe $4.99 a month. Okay. Like, same thing is Shutter, but it's just got different things on it. And they're starting to get exclusive stuff, and one of the things I got the past week was a documentary about the movie It, called Penny Wines the Story of It.

Okay. Very good documentary. They got all the original cast and interviewed them, and they talked about, they even went into Jonathan Brandes, who played Bill, Young Bill, his suicide years later. If I'm remembering, I think people were kind of saying

he kind of seemed like he was happy, but there was always something going on and stuff like that, and just how casting went and how close they got with the older cast, because I guess they kind of got the older cast first, and then went off of them to get the kids. Well, he'd been acting since he was knee high.

I mean, that guy, a kid probably saw it all. Yeah. Right, right. And if I'm remembering correctly, they didn't even want Tim Curry, the studio. Really? Hard to imagine now, huh? Who were they trying to cast?

I think, because I don't think he was a, I watched this like a week ago, so I can't remember any names they said. But I think they said he wasn't a big enough name yet. What? And I was just kind of thinking, you guys are making a TV movie. Yeah. And you guys are hoping. That's a good point. They were trying to get like a, they were trying to get like a, Clint Eastwood, Clint Eastwood or what?

Go back and pick up some chaps. So that's on there, and another documentary, they actually just dropped this past, actually yesterday, as we were recording, is what is it called? I forgot what it's called. It's a documentary on Pet Cemetery, the good one, like that. Oh, the new one, okay. No, no, no, no. You like the, okay, definitively, though, do you like the new one better than the old one? Who, me?

Yeah. I do. I do. I actually do. I actually do. Well, I'm that one person. Just to clarify. Yeah. I think I gave it one point higher or something. So, percentage-wise, there should be at least another person that likes it. You might have a friend out there that likes it. Statistically speaking, huh? It's not a bad, I mean, to put it all out there, it's not a bad movie. I didn't, I didn't like some of the choices that. made. Understood. It wasn't terrible.

Yeah. Yeah, they definitely made... Go ahead. No, they made Lipp galic a little creepy, little petalic. Yeah. My biggest thing was they teased that they were changing which kid was going to die and then they fake this out. I know.

Why did they do that? Because of the twist. You have to give them something unexpected. The twist. So sometimes they... twist themselves into a fucking knot trying to do it and it doesn't work. Yeah, and then they tease the

Wendigo and all we got was some noises of somebody stopping around. Man, you know, the movies they made about Winnigo, they're badass. Yeah, we had to wait until... Maybe we need to make one. We had to wait until Antlers to get a good

Windigo movie. They could have beat Antlers by a couple years. There's at least another one or two of them that are pretty good. Yeah. Right. Another movie I checked out was You Won't Be Alone. We were supposed to review this, but it's got the limited theater. This one is on Peacock. It's on Macock.

Poppecock. Really, really good movie. Well directed, well shot, well acted. Numi Rapace is in it. She's fucking awesome. She really is pretty badass, huh? Yeah. She's good in everything that she's been in. A little bit of a slow burn, but not to the point where you're taken out of it.

Good witch movie. Good witch movie. But my cool the week, I binged. I was a little late on even starting it, but I binge Miss Marvel. Ah, all right. I didn't hear a lot of great things about that one. It is a fun show. I think for a little girl that I believe,

This is really her first thing acting. Because I think she did like one or two, like, short films, basically playing herself. So this is, I consider this her first acting job. And she's pretty, she's pretty fucking good. Really? And there's, pay attention to, there's the after credit in the final episode, Lance. Okay. There's a reveal at the end.

There's a reveal at the end of the episode. And then there's an after credit scene that, that has. big implications to other movies and stuff. But yeah, she's a fun character, and I thought I was going to get mad because they kind of changed her power set, because in the comics, she's more of a Mr. Fantastic. She can like stretch her limbs and stuff. Yeah, and also more of like a green lantern, right? Yeah.

Instead of a ring, it's a bracelet. Probably the stretchy arms is a stupid power. Yeah. Well, not really. I mean, if you could stretch other body parts. I kind of like it because... Like that guy and the boys? Yeah, exactly.

Oh, he was... Love sausage. He was doing some naughty things. Yeah, they all were. But I think for the MCU, I think changing her power, if she would have had the same power set and then you introduced Mr. Fantastic, people would have like, well, how are they related? And then you would have to explain that they're not.

I think it was a good, good decision. Have we decided who Mr. Fantastic is going to be? Have I decided or has it? Marvel has, right? Marvel has? It's not. They're kind of playing around that that might not be who we get. Alternate universe.

I heard a rumor John Cresensky is going to be Dr. Doom. They're going to twist, they're going to turn it around on everybody. That would be a twist. I can deal with that. But we'll get into that in our part two of Comic Con news. Oh, okay. So that is my... Victor Von Krasinski.

Hey, I like John Krasinski. I do, too. I was actually just watching this CIA thing earlier. Oh, with Jack, Jack, Ryan deal. Yeah. It's not bad so far. I've only seen a couple episodes, but he's pulling it off. Yeah.

So, yeah. Miss Marvel is my I finished Moon Night 2 and I didn't care for it. Yeah. It got a little silly. I do like his addition. I do like his addition

to the MCU but I think you can just stick him in movies and we don't have to do another series. Yeah. Put him in a Blague movie. At least that would be a good idea. He probably will be, man.

But at least we know that Daredevil's coming back, right? talk about that. Definitively. We'll talk about that tonight. All right. I don't know anything. I'm learning as you guys tell me.

All right. So that's cool of the week. We're ready to move on to... Well, we're doing news and trailers together again, right, Brian? Part two of our double-wide trailer edition news segment. Double-wide. All right. All right.

First thing we're going to talk about, you guys watch the trailer for the Sandman coming to Netflix. Neil Gaiman, graphic novel, super popular, never read it, so I have no idea what's going on, but it looks like some crazy visuals

going on in the trailer. Yeah, cool characters, it would appear. Have you ever read the graphic novel? I've always meant to, man. I've never gotten around to it. It was, yeah, very, very heralded

series. A lot of comic book readers were really into it, but I never got into it. Yeah, I always see this pop up if you look up lists of graphic novels you should read. This always pops up. I would imagine, yeah. I just, that blind spot for me.

Yeah. Like I said, it looks like crazy visuals going on, but I have no idea what's happening story-wise. Right. So does he put people to sleep, or is he like Freddy Kruger? It looks like he's maybe he is the good Freddy Kruger

and then the guy with the glasses is like the bad Freddy Krueger he wants to like take over shit I guess the guy that looks like the villain he looks like Boyd to Holbrook You guys remember him Oh unfortunately

Yeah he was in Wol or Logan Right yeah And one of the One of the Predator movies I'm hearing good things about prey Yeah Well it looks good A YouTuber I watch, his YouTube channel was Drum Dums, Lee McCoy.

Yes, yeah, yeah. He did like a minute video because they're still an embargo. He can't speak on it, but he said, best Predator movie since the first one. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Strong, yeah, strong words. And I like the, I like Predator, too.

I thought that was pretty good. Yeah. Although, I was quite 12 at the time. It's still fun. I like predators. Yeah, that one's fun, too. I think the new one's the worst. Yeah, probably.

But even I enjoyed that one. All right. Next trailer, Chuckie, Season 2. Now we're talking. Chuckie infiltrates the Catholic Church. Looks like the kids are a little bit older. Did they chase him? Right.

He said, I'm Chuckie. Want to pray? I see Probably like, look, new blood. Yeah, definitely. Devin Saw was back as a new character. As a priest this time? Yeah.

Had to feel it priest. You think depending on how long they go, he'll play a different character every season? Probably. He could pull it off. Either never get Nick. Maybe they'll bring Nick Cage in. be a fun gimmick though I like it

I like the idea without spoiling the first season the one thing I am disappointed is what they did to be on a Diroff's character how they kind of did something to her that kind of limits her what she can do in the show basically I know yeah I know but things can change too

so you never know when when she's in her dad mode playing the possessed person by a Chuckie-possessed person. She nails her father, the mannerisms and the voice. Of course, yeah. Yeah, like, of course, like you said,

she had to grow up listening to that all the time. So that came out. Next up, showtimes, let the right one end series. I don't know, man. I'm not so impressed with the trailer, but we sure have been waiting a long time. You talked about this on one of our first episodes, man.

Yeah. I think that was going back in re-editing and you talked about it like six or seven episodes into our podcast. Yeah, I think they were trying to make sure they got the kids right because, you know, kid actors could make a break. I mean, I'm true. I like the original movie and the remake, so. Right. You know, I'm definitely going to definitely going to give it a try. And it's made by the people that made Dexter and yellow jackets. Right. Well, okay. That could mean a lot right there, you know?

Those are both good shows. Yeah, yellow jackets was impressive. And maybe, you know, and then the movie, there was certain things about the movie that I thought could have been fleshed out a little bit more. Maybe they can do that with the series. Right. because the little girl from the movie she's like was she like hundreds of years old or something yeah right

and then the quote unquote dad that's taken care of her was one of the people that that she got to be her vampire slave yeah it's like he's aging and she's not yeah because in the movie you find out that she basically recruited him when he was a kid and now he's like an old man and yeah sounds horrible

one of the few remakes that was almost as good as the original yeah I would agree I would agree so satisfying Richard Jenkins Richard Jenkins he was great I don't know why he's been in so many movies but I always go back to

stepbrother right of course he just wants to go down to the cheesecake factory he said I'm just going to go drink it and 20 bucks is not enough for pizza because you do, you might want to get wings. Right. All right.

Did we review this movie this year? X? That was this year, right? Yes, yes, we did. All right, we got the prequel to X Pearl, which was shot at the same time. Which I believe me and Lance didn't even watch the end credit to X and Nas told us about it. totally walked out too early

I don't even remember this movie oh you don't remember X? No they were filming the phone at the old people's house I think we did it as a bonus episode oh I don't think you were on it Phil

that makes more sense I'm like man oh that's right okay it's the yeah they're set in the 70s they're filming the porn and they they like rent a room on a farm and that's where they're going to film it and like the old people are like fucking crazy.

Damn, that sounds like my kind of movie. Yeah, a lot of people fucking love it. It's not one of my favorites of the year, but a lot of people really loved it. What's her name's in it? Jenna Ortega. Kid Cuddy's in it. The one who's in everything. Jenna Ortega.

Love Kid Cuddy? Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of people don't like them right now. That's super great for me. But yeah, has you got something going on? Whatever shit he says, I just... Oh, no, they don't like him. He was at one of these big festivals, and they were throwing bottles at him, and he got hit in the face.

Really? Yeah. You got hit in the face with wine, and he said, if you continue to throw bottles, I'm not going to perform. This is like five minutes into this set. Can't blame him for that. Yeah. But it looked like between 50 to 100 bottles being thrown at a time, so... Oh, shit. Yikes. Ouch. But I think they were...

But I think they were... But I think they were a little disappointed because originally Kanye was supposed to perform, and Kit Cutty was replacing Kanye, so they went from Kanye to Kit Cutty. It's like a Metallica, Clinton Rose's situation. But I don't condone throwing water bottles, but that was a good shot, whoever caught him right in the face. Because it was right when he got on the mic, he was about to say something that, bam. Don't throw bottles.

Yeah, I'd probably be pissed, too. Don't throw bottles, kids. What are we talking about? Pearl. I'm not interested. Really? It looks kind of cheaper version of what we've got with X. It looks cheaper, cheaply done.

What do you think, Philip? I mean, I think it looks okay. It's hard to tell from a trailer. I know. She has no eyebrows. Yeah. Come on, man. Don't hold that against her.

I can't. The wife saw X with me. Uh-huh. And she kept pointing out where the fuck are her eyebrows. And then I couldn't stop looking at her eyebrows. Oh, no. I just got a weird, like, Wizard of Oz feel to it. I don't know, man.

It just had a weird, like, throwback retro, Wizard of Oz, silent movie. I don't know. Bizarre. Strange choice. Strange choice. I don't know. I don't think I was paying enough attention to it. Because it didn't grab me at all.

Yeah. But I don't really have any strong opinions about this. The movie I described to you about X, the main actress Pearl, she's the old woman in X. This is a prequel. Right, right. Okay. Oh, she played the old woman and the... Yeah.

She played two roles in X. She played the old woman and the main... She did a nutty professor. A Norbert. She did a pretty good job as the old woman. because I didn't even really like Lance didn't like it no it was okay I liked it

yeah 4 on 10 liked it no it was good man it was about fine for sure it's worth a watch I think Lance can agree it's it's not either one of our favorites this year but a lot of people do love it

yes a lot of people love it love it like top top tier Phil it's a oh it's a Thai West thing huh yeah it's a A-24 movie. Okay. Yeah, I'll watch this. It's an A-24, so you know the productions there.

Yeah. Yeah, I'll watch it. Yeah, I scrolled through so many trailers, it was you know, Comic-Con week, I guess, but yeah. Hey, Ty West, A-24, it's got to be worth something, right? It's worth watching. I would agree. I would agree. This was a secretly filmed. They didn't tell anybody they were doing a prequel, so they filmed it.

while they were filming X, so. Whatever works. Maybe that's why they use the same actress, because they handle it there anyway. You know, why not? All right, Lance, this next one's you, because I didn't watch it because I'm not caught up, and that is Picard, the final season.

Oh, my God, I'm so fucking excited, man. I loved the second season. Real quick, from the posters I've seen, is this essentially like a next generation season? Well, you know what? They've actually, they're bringing back most of the characters from the first two seasons of Picard, but they're also bringing back several next-gen characters that you know and love. You got to love Wharf with the gray goatee.

Yeah. Old Wharf is pretty bad-ass looking. I like him. This is going to be fun. This is going to be fun. That's the good thing about Picard is you can kind of check your brain at the door, right? like Star Trek is usually very it gets your mind

working like you've got to think well you know does this match with this and is this exactly canon and does this fit exactly with that but Picard just kind of throws it out there and lets it be a fun show and so I'm looking forward to more of that I think this is going to

be an incredibly fun season and I don't know how this is going to work but strange new world and lower decks are going to have the crossover episode. One animated and one. I heard about that. I don't know.

Are they going to do like half animated and half real action? I don't know. And do like Roger Rabbit style or the animated thing? No, they may. Because I mean, if you go to an oh dude, think about it. If you explore a strange new worlds, Philip, and you go to a different planet, who's to say it can't be

animated, right? Right. Or different dimensions. I mean, you know what I mean? Well, sure. Why not? Universes. Yeah. You've seen in Dr. Strange's a a multiverse of madness, there was a world where people were paint. So in, God damn it. Everything everywhere all at once.

That's where they were rocked with the hot dog fingers. Yeah. I can't be the worst. What about the hot dog one? A24 is selling those. Hot dog finger gloves. Are you serious? Yeah.

Doesn't surprise me. All right. I showed my mom. that movie. It was... Yeah. She liked it. AJ tapped out.

AJ tapped out. She said, you like this? It's a fucking fantastic movie. I know, but maybe we weren't in the right mindset. Yeah, I guess so. Too much multiverse for her?

I think so. I think it blew her mind. All right. Now we are going to finish with MCU news. Okay. All right. They started it all, talking about phase four.

which we are in now. They answered the question why nothing seems to be fitting or moving forward. It's because this is the end of phase four, and everything we've gotten is all dealing with prior events. I don't know if I like that. Phase four seems like a transition period. I guess. Basically, dealing with the fallout of previous events and game and stuff.

And introducing new characters. Where do you go? after endgame, right? Okay, so Shee Hulk and Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, will end phase four. So phase four will end this year. All right. Well, we'll talk about those trailers at the end. Later to be known as the Dark Ages.

Phase five. I mean, I'm enjoying everything, but, you know. Yeah, I think, I mean, it could be just a cop-out, but I think it does make sense why nothing's moving forward if they're still dealing with the effects of endgame. The fallout, yeah. But it seems like everything that they've come out with so far is just trying to build and set up something new. Something else, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But they haven't got to the new thing yet. Yeah, like window dressing for the next big thing, right? All right, here is the new thing. The next phase five will begin after Black Panther, and it will be called the Multiverse saga. Of course. Well, I thought we already in there. They said what we got in multiverse of madness is nothing compared to what's coming. I don't know if I like where this is going.

No, I mean, we'll see. I heard a theory. It's worth watching at least. I heard a theory when we get to the end of phase six will actually be the culmination of everything from phase one and up. Like there's still things that are not finished. So everything from here on out is going to be set up until the final movie. But they're changing with the added. It's like such a cop out, man.

Or is it? I don't know. I don't know. Or is it? Or is it genius? You never know. People said it was crazy. One million dollars.

People said it was crazy when Kevin Feigy had everything set up to end game. They said, how could this all work? I guess, and it worked. It definitely worked, yeah. Yeah, but those movies didn't feel like set up for something else. They felt like movies. These movies feel like set up. They felt like events.

Or did they? Well, they did. Stop it, FitBrily. I wasn't like. You're fucking with us now. Oh, my God. Where are they going to go? I mean, I guess I kind of was at the end.

Oh, my God. Where are they going to go from here? But it was like a good, complete, solid movie where they felt like they put all the effort into. that movie. Yeah. Agreed. All the effort into,

hey guys, here's the trailer for something more to come. It's just a 10-episode bullshit trailer. Oh, yeah. All right. First up in phase

five is Secret Invasion, the new series coming to Disney Plus spring 2020. Yeah, so that's the Crow, uh-l-Lah,

Lola, Skr-Ree War or whatever. Yeah, is that right? Basically, this is going to have a, uh,

um, Sam Jackson back as Nick Fury. Right. Of course. What's her name? Denarius Targaryen. I forgot her name. Denarius Targary.

She's on the show. She's on the show as an unnamed character. Ah, okay. They said there would be a bunch of surprises. They said this will basically have the same tone as Captain America, the Winter Soldier, the espionage field. Yeah, people love that one. Uh, next up.

It just happened to pick one of the best movies that they've had. It's definitely going to have that feel to it. Yeah. Yeah, we'll have that feel too. Yeah, which one did you guys like? Yeah, it'll feel just like that. Yeah. Uh, next up is Ant Man in the Was Quantamania.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. I mean, I love Paul Rudd, but man, you got to pick aside here. Last week, you get Seth, Rogan. Can we get Seth? Can we get Seth Rogen as a supervillain, please? I'd watch that. And him and Paul right end up eating Lays potato chips together.

This one will have Jonathan made... This one I have... ...that each other is. Oh, yeah. And then they can have... Did that scene as a four-year-old virgin? That was funny. Totally politically incorrect, but funny.

Kim Jong-ong can show up. Philip. Sorry, Brian. Yeah, I do. Sorry. Yeah, this will have Jonathan Majors back as King. We got introduced to him in Loki. Right.

Or at least this will have a variance of him. A lot of rumors of the, they're going to kill off Amman in this one. Oh, come on. Well, how many more Amateur do they have? That's true. I mean, if it, if it furthers a story, if it's for a problem,

purpose, then. But that's what I'm saying. Like, they're for a purpose, but it's like the purpose is to further the story, and that's it. They need to bring in the termite, Brian, from the boys. The termite. Oh, that's fucking... I don't know what you're talking about.

There was a lot of really stupid stuff in that that probably didn't need to be in the whole show. That one was pretty funny, though. Actually, let's see, Airman. That one comes out February 17th next year. Okay. After that is Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. I actually watched the panel.

Yeah, that one everybody wants to see, I'm sure. Actually watched the panel to this one, and everybody was super emotional. This is going to be the end of the... Now they say the end of this iteration of the Guardians. Okay. Which could mean we'll get a new Guardians, which could mean there's going to be some characters dying off. Well, okay. I know.

I mean, it works, though. So why would they break something that doesn't need fixing? I mean. I know Sean Gunn's brother. He plays Cragglin, the guy that took over for Yandu. Right. His little sidekick. He got like super emotional talking about the movie.

Kind of seems like this cast that we've gotten is not going to be together for the movies. so okay well and of course Comic Con got the trailer which conveniently the panel

shut off on YouTube for the trailer so we can get to see it but from everything I'm reading we're going to feel really sad for Rocket

oh don't fuck with Rocket don't do it yeah don't do it Marvel. Bad call. Don't do that. Let's see.

I still remember that goddamn scene and I am legend. Oh, Philip. Let's see. It's horrible, man. It's horrible, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Continuing the summer 2023, Echo, come to Disney Plus. We got to meet her in Hawkeye. She's the Native American deaf character. Yep, yep,

deaf. They didn't really give no news other than we'll get it. where it's filming and it's coming to summer 2023. Loki, season two, 2020, summer. I know it was coming. Blade finally gets a release date, November 3rd, 2023. Okay.

Now you're talking. That's a lot of potential there, man. A lot of potential. And Wesley Snipes has to show up as some kind of character. Am I right? I don't know. I think he will? I would love.

I would love. to see him show up, though. I mean, if he wants to do a cameo as another character, I'm fine with it, but you're not going to be Blade no more, so let's stop trying to campaign it. Brian, he can play Whistler now. Oh, oh.

No, because they cast it Delroy Lindo. Oh, okay. All right. And if you cast Delroids. Oh, that's good casting. That's good casting. Let's see. Ironheart, another Disney Plus show. She popped up

in the Black Panther trailer, which we'll talk about that later. That's coming fall, 2023. Agatha, Coven of Chaos. I've heard a lot of rumors about this show that we could get introduction to Dr. Doom because, you know, his mother, his mother was a witch.

John Krasinski, right? As we now know. I would be fine if he played dual roles and he was Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Doom. That would be fucking incredible. That would be a mind fuck, wouldn't it? So you have a scene where he fights himself. Yeah.

Like I said, Agatha, Coving of Chaos, which the chaos part is talking about, could be talking about Wanda, because that's what kind of magic she has, chaos, magic. So. And Jamie Fox is going to show up to play Wanda. Sorry. Oh, the younger people don't know what you're talking about. Right. That's okay.

Go back and look it up. In Living Color. old episodes. They're out there. I wish we would have got that movie. Wanda and Shanae. The Wanda movie? No, they were supposed to be Wanda and Shannayne. No. It never happened, but they were supposed to do.

Well, it's never, it's never too late. Never say never, man. Let's see. You could turn him into a Medea. Starting off. Starting off 2024 is Daredevil

Born Again Disney Plus series This will be an 18 episode series Wow Damn that's a lot From when I understand Daredevil Will be popping up

In a lot of places Throughout these next two phases Which I'm completely down for All right Popular character Yeah May 3rd 2024

Captain America, New World Order. And yes, I've already seen the pictures where they put Sam in the NWO T-shirt. I don't think that's the New World Order they're talking about. I don't think so. But nice meme, right? Finishing off that phase, phase five is the Thunderbolts movie, July 26, which is basically, it's going to be a Avengers-type movie with villains. Mm-hmm.

Kind of like Suicide Squad-esque movie. So are they just running with this thing until they trip and fall, and then they go, oh, X-Men? Disabled? We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Really? Okay. I'm like, we're the fuck, poor green.

How do you not use that character? I know. Yeah, we'll get to my theories here. So season six begins, no, phase six. Phase six, yeah. They didn't, they only announced three things. which there was like 12 slots open for Phase 6. Okay.

Well, that's for next year. One of the empty slots, Lance, has to be X-Men, whether it's a movie or a TV show. I hope it's a TV show, quite frankly, because I don't think the X-Men stories, because of the ensemble cast and how many X-Men you have, you can't tell it in a two-hour movie. You have to do at least an eight-episode series. Because the only things they announced for Phase 6 was Fantastic 4. November 8th. Avengers, the King Dynasty,

May 2nd, and same year we'll get Avengers Secret Wars, and there's like eight open slots. Two Avengers movies in one year, right? They say... Now, if you ever read the Secret

War's storyline, you have to have the X-Men, because Secret War's storyline... I thought that was an X-Men thing. Basically, what we saw in basically what we saw in end game

we'll see with Secret Wars but with Fantastic Four and the X-Men and everybody Okay Well they got to bring in Venom then because that's where

Spider-Man found his black suit, right, in the Secret Wars. That's another movie I think they're going to they're going to add to this because there was no talk

about another Spider-Man movie which was weird because the new one made over a billion dollars so yeah I think we'll get an X-Men announcement and a Spider-Man announcement. But Sony still owns Spider-Man technically, right?

Yeah, but if you own something and somebody took that and made a billion dollars for you... Would you allow them to do it again? Which is what they've been doing at the scene one, right? Yeah. Okay. But that was only for Spider-Man, all their other shitty characters. not shitty characters but characters in shitty movies

they're continuing. Right. So that's all the phases right there. All right. Lance has some more beers. Yeah. Which I think they haven't really said who the big bad guy is, but I think it's going to be a combination

of Kang and Dr. Doom. Okay. I'd like to see a Dr. Doom. Yeah. I'd be impressed with that. But I think they're saving the X-Men announcement for what Disney has their event called D-23 that's going to be in September. So I think they did this just announcing dates for Comic-Con. But when they do their event, that's when they'll announce the fantastic forecast. And, oh, let's bring out the new Wolverine.

And let's bring out the new, you know, such and because, you know, it's their event. so well i mean it'd be it'd be a cool move but we've been saying that for i don't know how many years now and then uh i saw a youtube video saying there they were talking about there might be an issue that the reason why they haven't announced a new cast because some of the old cast is still under contract and it's like a contract thing with certain people that they have to wait it out that might be a possibility or you know and just waiting until it grows a little bit stale and people are just really ready for a new one i mean i am but that doesn't mean that everybody is so from what i'm hearing it it looks like everybody is other than they everybody still wants to see hugh jackman see and i'm okay if they get rid of hugh jackman and they cast a new wolverine i just want to know who that person is yeah i don't think

And I don't think he wants to do it anymore. He said it takes a lot for him to even get in that shape. Right. I mean, it has to. I mean, Hugh Jackman has got to be 50, right? Oh, he's probably in his good 50. Yeah. He may be 60.

To get in like men's health model shape, that's tough. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, and I think he said for a lot. One of the Wolverine movies. I understand, man. I used to be there. I think one of the Wolverine movies, he said the Rock helped him get in shape, and he said that almost killed him.

I bet it fucking did, man. It probably hurts. Yep. It hurts. The only other news in phase six is they said Fantastic Four will not be a origin story, which I think is fine because we already know who they are. And we already got two of them that sucked. Wow.

And it's Spider-Man work. The Squaterman movie work is not an origin. Yeah. Well, but like, yeah. The fantastic four origin movies were just both bad. Let's maybe not go back to that well. And the only other news is Avengers. Avengers, the King Dynasty will be directed by Shang-Shean director, Destin Daniel Creighton.

Okay. And there's rumors. Rumors that they haven't announced anything X-Men, but the Russo brothers who did the last two Captain America movies, the last two Avengers movies, said, they asked what property. They asked if they would come back to Marvel. They said, of course, and they said, what property?

And they said, the X-Men. So I think in September, when we get D-23, the D-23 event, I think we're going to have a big X-Men announcement. And fantastic, for and Dr. Doom. I think they're just going to drop everything on that day. Okay. I'm cool with that.

And as far as I see, let me double check, see if there was any other news. This is great podcasting. Well, we've definitely got a couple of trailers still, right? Oh, yeah, we didn't even talk. Sheeho. What did you guys think, Sheeho. A lot better than the first one, that's for sure.

Definitely loved, uh, Yeah, but I love Daredevil showing up at the end. So that gives you guys. Lawyer versus lawyer versus lawyer. You guys notice he had the yellow in the suit, like the comic books? Oh. Uh-uh. Yeah, if you kind of, you got to look real quick,

but you kind of has the yellow going down arms, kind of like the comic, the traditional comic book style. Okay. I'm in. We're going to get IMDB listed Wong and the whole. in pretty much every episode. Okay. There was a, they said there's going to be a lot of

older characters popping up as well as new characters popping up and somebody did put a still of a freeze frame. Took a picture of a still from the show or the trailer and the scene where Wong kind of comes through his portal and he looks like he's at like a theater and he's coming through on stage. There's a poster that you can't make out the person, but the next. name says Johnny Blaze. And people

know Johnny Blaz's Ghost Rider. Yeah. Right. Interesting. Nicholas Cage return. This might be hoping, you couldn't make out the person, but it kind of looked like Nick Cage.

Wow. Are you serious? Maybe they'll give him some kind of redemption art because that would be fucking amazing. Yeah, but that would be awesome, wouldn't it? It would be. I do kind of like the second. I can rewatch him now.

The second one, they just told Nick Cage, just go fucking crazy. Just go cagey. Yeah, I think they fixed up the CGI a little bit. It's still kind of a little wonky, but, you know, it's a new character.

You know, this character shows up in an Avengers movie. It's not going to look like this. Yeah, well, you would hope. But you never know. I kind of like what they did. They did kind of. of like the comic books where she broke the fourth wall

because she does that in the comic books. Kind of like Daredevil where, you know, she talks to us. Yeah. I thought that was kind of a funny scene because the Hulk's looking at her, like, you know, who the fuck are you talking to? And she's kind of like, like she doesn't know who she's talking to or why she's doing it. And I...

It'd be awesome if Daredevil shows up. He... Oh, he is. He's in the very end of the... Trail. No, I mean, he's in the very last scene. Oh, yeah, that would be cool. That would be cool.

That is another thing they didn't announce, Deadpool 3. We know it's happening, but they got everybody, too. Before Comic-Con, they announced that Logan and the Deadpool movies are on Disney Plus. So everybody was, got excited. Yeah, I noticed Logan. Cameo in every single Marvel movie. Almost like photo-bombing them, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just like as the end credits. That would be so awesome. And excuse me, ladies, but I have to say she-holt, she-hawk can get it. I mean. Right. I'm not into tall women, but something's working. Something's working with the... Something about a woman that can squash you.

Kind of interested in that scene where she's on top of the guy on the couch. Where is this going? Oh, I think you know where it's going. She's going to twist that motherfucker right off. All right. And they ended the Marvel panel with a very sad, somber note, which was Black Panther, Wakanda Forever. Yeah, but I love the way they did it

and the No Woman, No Cry song. Yes. So is Shuri the new Black Panther, or what's the deal here? I've watched the trailer a few times. I kind of have this theory. Okay. That we're not going to know who the Black Panther is until the end of the movie, but during the movie. Okay.

There's going to be multiple people that have suits kind of coming together. Well, we did know the Submariner is going to show up finally. Yes, Namor, and he's going to have an Aztec Mayan background. Right. All right. We'll see. We shall see, right, Phillip? How do we make this dumb-ass character work?

They didn't. He worked in Molo. We can do it. I was about to say it working with Aquaman, right? Okay. This is what I'm... But it's like Gummer Aquaman. Or kind of like the deep.

From the voice. This is what I'm getting from. They are giving him an Aztec background. Okay. And I heard they're changing. they're not Atlanteans. Oh, no. They're kind of distancing

themselves from Aquaman. Are they going to have Mel Gibson direct it like Apocalyptic or what? Come on. I didn't see him on IMDB, no. I think that's a smart move kind of making like your thing.

Many human sacrifices. All right, look, if Ryan all kidding is as far as directors go, if Coogler is doing Wakanda forever, and he is, right? Yeah. I have complete faith. This dude's never laid a turd.

So everything he's ever done has been amazing. My opinion, the trailer looked amazing. The visuals looked amazing, you know, the one thing about... I am a fucking fish man into this story. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't seem to.

I kind of almost got a vibe of the fucking new... Water Avatar movie, too. You know what I'm saying? Like with all the underwater shit? I didn't get that vibe. Maybe just because they just happened to come out within amongst each other. I don't know.

Because if you ever read the comics, like Namor, he was kind of an anti-villain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. But he later becomes an event. Even when he becomes an Avenger, he's still kind of like, I'm a king. I do my own thing. Okay. And it looks like they're going to go to battle because there's a scene in the trailer where it looks like there's a, I don't know where they are in Wakanda, but it looks like it gets flooded. Okay.

So. Well. You know we're all going to be watching it. So we're over here talking about like, are we going to watch this or not? Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. I think, out of most things, this is what I'm most anticipating because, like I said, it looks great. And I really am.

They have me very curious on how they're going to handle the Chaswick-Boseman thing. Because he is, according to the trailer, he had died. Of course, yeah. That's a big part of the storyline. Because I believe the scene where everybody's in white dancing, I believe that's the funeral scene. Yep. Somehow, some way he died and...

They can't let this one be not amazing. Yeah. Yeah. True. Well, we rambled on for an hour. All right. That's lots of news and trailers, Jim. That was a triple wide.

That was a triple wide. Spoilers. I can continue to talk about all this shit more than talking about these fucking movies. Oh, yeah. Well, that maybe our review section will be pretty short tonight. It might be. All right. Philip, I know we have some feedback, right?

fucking shark. We're finally back on the feedback train. We are. Let's see. We got a, this week the podcast spotlight shines on my killer podcast. So Bad It's Good movie reviews. Oh boy. Sounds like the reef.

Oh, wait. No, so bad, it's bad. Okay. So bad. It's good horror movie reviews, physical media, and horror gore lore. I like it. You like it, Brian? Yeah, this is a podcast that after I listened to an episode,

I kind of was going back listening to their older episodes. I, myself, I guess I'm an apologist for a lot of movies people consider bad. I don't know if it's just movies I just grew up with that I just, they talk about a lot of these movies. I'm just kind of like, these are not bad movies. But as they're talking about it, I was like, okay, I can kind of see why I see why somebody would think it's bad. Yeah, yeah.

Like a move, the latest, it's not the latest episode, but the last episode I listened to. They did, low doubt, Dirty Shame, the Keenan Ivey-Wains movie. Oh, I love that movie. I love it, too, and I never noticed that it has a 3% on Rotten Tomatoes. No. Are you serious? It's like the only time I would like Jay to Pinkett. Great podcast, though.

They're funny guys, and, uh, yeah just uh check them out you know i think they got like over 50 episodes out right now so cool okay my killer podcast says uh join the oh wait is that what we're talking about i was talking about a totally different podcast uh oh oh so my killer podcast didn't do low down during no no they didn't i'm sorry i'm thinking about the podcast i just listened to today yeah we didn't say we didn't say their name did we Because that's not. Okay.

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Or have a killer day. All right. That's what we like. Well-rounded podcast. Regarding the new interview with the vampire show. Oh, this is how interesting. Mike Batchelor says, not going to lie, I'm dreading this as an Anne Rice fan who's read the books. Changing the era of the story takes place and changes everything.

Did they change it? Did they? I don't know. I guess. I guess. I guess so. I mean, it's definitely in New Orleans. It kind of looked like the same.

Batch, explain what you're talking about, dude, because it looked like kind of the same era. Maybe it was a little more modern, like, after the turn of the 20th century. I don't know. He's the fan of the books, so I'm going to trust him. Yeah. Producers that came out said this is going to be closer to the books than the movie was. So, I don't know, just me. I don't really know what the trailer, but it looked like the same.

Let me You guys talk and I'm going to look I'm going to see if there's an interview of the vampire timeline. There's got to be. There's so many fans of the book. So you guys go ahead. 1993.

Well, I guarantee you that's not when the story happened. Here we go. Timeline the Vampire Chronicles. 2026. Wow, it started in 12,000 BC. A male is born, okay. I've got a little research to do here, guys. Go ahead.

Before Christ. Wow, they do have a full fucking timeline here for fuck's sake. Wow. That's the timeline that I think that's right because that didn't look like that time period in the trailer. Okay, yeah, it was the 1800s because it says 1929. Although it says in 1929, Lestat goes back down into the earth. after all the first two or three books. So, all right, go ahead. I'm sorry. Okay.

Let's see. We had... Oh, yeah, he was born. La Statte de Laincourt was born in 1760. So, yeah, they were probably in New Orleans in like the late 1700s. Oh, yes. 1794. Claudia is made a vampire by La Stade.

So I think Bass has hit it right on the head. It looks like this is more early 20th. century maybe. New Orleans? I guess we're going to find out that, right? Instead of 18. Yeah. All I know is recently the producers came out and said this is going to be close to the books and people

actually really think it is. Okay, cool. So Batch, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised, man. Hang in there. And Brian posted a poll in the group. As of right now, what is Jordan Peel's best movie? Right now,

Get Out is in the lead. Eric Kane says not a lot of us love out there. Wow. You can only pick one, though, so. Yeah, I think that's still today his most divisive. I mean, he only has three movies, but I know a lot of people, you need, when it comes to us, need to love it or hate it. Yeah.

Well, he also said, I really liked us, but it's not his best. Yeah. I don't have a problem with us. Is Get Out his best one? I think so. Probably. I really like Nope. I'm going to go with Nope. I only say that because I've just seen Nope.

And that's off of one viewing. I've seen Get Out multiple times. I've seen Us multiple times. Yes. After multiple viewings of Nope, that could change. Maybe. Yeah, I just love the irony of Get Out. Yeah, I love all. The set up and the different direction they take you.

Yeah. I love all three of his movies. But if I had to rank them, it'd be get out, nope, and us. Yeah, and us is a really fucking amazing movie. Had that been anybody else, we'd be praising the shit out of it. LePito Nongo should have got at least nominated for something. Yeah.

And she didn't. Oscars suck. Let's see. Regarding the new Rick and... Put that on TikTok. Oscar suck, bitch. Regarding the new Rick and Michone spinoff. series.

Stephen Loblad says, Hey, Lance, we can get behind this. He's, he's the other Walking Dead fan that's still around out there.

Yep. Yeah, it's just the two of us. It's both of us. Oh, Pedro. Pedro's going back and watching them all.

Yeah. No, back and started watching them. Pedro kind of made it seem like a job, though. Yeah.

A bit of a chore. A bit of a chore. A lot. Lot, a lot, lot to sift through. Yeah. Some of those seasons kind of drag.

Literally. Going back and watching them. True. True. Once I hit that prison, it's like, all right. Can we like skip a few episodes? I forgot all about the prison. Regarding hatching, Adam Thomas says should be a big piece of dokey.

I didn't realize what I didn't realize what I. I was reading while I was reading it, but you're probably right. If you want a little bit more on hatching, go back and listen to our episode. We give you a little bit... We give you a little bit more than Dookie. Regarding man-eater, Zim Vader says, well, it's about time we had a new shark movie. Did we need one? I think he's being ironic, guys.

Oh, okay. Hamidoole sharks. Regarding last train to New York, what is that one? The Train to Bousan remake. Oh, right, right, right, okay. Tim Davis says, I honestly don't have high hopes for this. Train to Busan was my number one film of the decade,

and I doubt they will pull it off. Nice. I am only watching because of the director. We talked about him, Lance, he did the VHS, the cult one. I can't ever remember the damn name. Yeah, well, we remember it because it went bad shit crazy in the last 10 minutes of it. Oh, I could have talked about that in the news.

In another VHS movie, VHS 90. Oh, okay. I'm in. Getting it this year, so. Regarding only murders in the building. Mike Batch says Love this show. It's a fun show. Yeah. And watched it. I haven't seen it yet.

Steve Martin, Martin Short. What's her name with her? Oh, that one. Okay. They're pretty good in it. What's the name is even? She doesn't irritate me. I can't remember her named even.

Selina Gomez. Yeah, there you go. Okay. No, I don't hate her. Yeah. let's see Lyle Huckin says Happy birthday to

Shelly Duvall Hey And her little ball of The Shining Fear Let's see And Lance sent me some stuff Here

Back to our Great podcasting Um Marcus Yeah Big piece of duke Not Marcus Not Marcus

Not Marcus No, no, no, no, no, Marcus. Us. Marcus shared a link for us. He says he came across a few horror thriller trailers. About 12 of them. I think. He had a late night.

Instead of just posting them one by one, I decided to post it in a whole group. So take a gander if you're interested. He posted trailers to House of Darkness, orphan, first kill. Yeah. Pearl. Barbarian

Barbarians The Ness Different film The same title Echoes And let the right one in So I think out of that list

That Barbarian movie We did that trailer A girl shows up to Airbnb's The guy that played Pennywise is there and they double-booked it and there's like crazy shit going on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm interested in that one. Yeah, that one looks interesting.

Orphan looks... Orphan looks like... Garbage. Big piece of dupy, I guess. Yeah, big piece of ducky. There it is. And that's it for feedback. Our show intro comes from Steve Carlton of the Geeks.

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We're going to cover the reef, and also the reef stocked. That's the new one. The reef is from 2010. A Great White Shark hunts the crew of a capsized sailboat along the Great Barrier Reef, particularly terrifying because they have a little sailboat. I would never drive it all the way out there, but still. director, writer, Andrew Trowke, also known for Blackwater and the ABCs of Death. Blackwater is pretty good.

Yeah. The alligator, carcadale movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The sharks in this film are real. And the footage of the sharks was filmed in the environs of Port Lincoln on the Iyer Peninsula of South Australia, just off the state Spencer coast at the Neptune Islands. That sounds like a lot for a destination. Well, I just gave me a reason to take a vacation.

The movie is based on true events that happened during the 80s off the coast of Townsville and far north Queensland, Australia, which makes sense because it's Australia and everything there wants to kill you. Yes. Yeah. What did, Brian, what did you think about the reef? Now, I'm trying to really be positive. Yes. Because I was listening to, not reviews on this, I was just listening to reviews of other movies.

And I noticed, I think people focus on the negatives more than the positives a little too much. Probably. That makes sense. And I'm trying to, trying to be different the way I talk about movies and stuff, because I think it's much more easier to tear down something than to kind of uplift it. But man, do I hate this fucking movie. This movie was boring. I did not care about anybody's relationship. Right. Yeah.

I was entirely sure who was in a relationship with what even? I know. Yeah, I'm like, oh, your brother and sister. Who was a lover? Who was a brother? Who was a mother? Yeah, you guys are brother and sister? Why are you guys so close?

Yeah. A little uncomfortably close, right? It took probably about almost an hour before we saw any kind of shark action. So it was just an hour of us, I guess, getting to know these characters. And I know absolutely nothing about it. You saw shark action after an hour? Where did you catch that? Because for me, it was an hour and 15 minutes before I saw that scene where the fin came out and then it disappeared.

Oh, that's right. It disappeared. I know you saw it for a second. I just, they gave us that whole time. That whole time, if you're not going to give a shark action, you should have gave us reasons to care about these characters. And I didn't. I wanted all of them to get eaten. Every single one of them.

Especially once the shark showed up. And the one that survived was the one I wanted to get eaten the most. And she fucking lived. Appleseed. I'm going to disagree there. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, that's cool. Well, I want to all get eaten. Not so much her. She was the one I hated the least. Yeah, really? Okay.

Well, because she wasn't the one that was screaming the whole God time. Oh, and the fucking. Or dipping out of the water to. Not the main guy that was the brother, brother, brother boyfriend. I don't know what he was. The lady boy. The other guy, he. Oh, my gosh.

The one that stayed on the boat? No, we don't, what happened to him? They just never found out. No, they never even closed that storyline out. Yeah, he, well, no, I think they said at the end of the movie. After the credits, it said he was never to be, never to be seen again. Yeah, they brought up little things that they looked for him and never found. Oh, God, what a cop out.

This boring shark movie killed somebody off screen. Really bad. Yes. Okay. Off screen. Way out screen. Not even off-off story. I'm talking to the guy that was a little bit more heavyset, that guy. Yeah. Just every time there was a little bit. Every time there supposedly was a shark around, he was just like, you know, like, oh, shut. Yeah. Is that the guy that would go underwater?

No, that was the brother-boyfriend. No, that was the one that right. right after the shark attacked him. Yeah. He went to go swim for his little fucking boogie board. Yeah. Oh my God. It's like, oh, this sounds like a good idea.

Wow. Yeah, what did go wrong, right? You can tell he knows it's not a good idea. Everybody's telling him is not a good idea. Did they, though? Yeah, they said stop, come here. But, you know, they didn't stop him. Did they do it? Willi Wonka style, like,

stop. I do appreciate when we got sharks, it was actual real sharks. Yeah. Well, yeah. Fucking stock footage from Animal Planet TV shows. But I can't. I don't know why people like this movie. If you want to see a better...

Who likes it? I've seen a lot of people comment on this. If you want to see a better shark movie with this, a better shark movie with this premise is open water. Yeah. because you felt bad that they before you felt bad for the people and then you were just also based on the true story

and you didn't have to see you didn't have to see a lot of sharks in that movie I mean you got more sharks in that movie than you did this movie but you got to you were kind of you were with them you were trying to figure out are they going to make it are they not going to make it agreed agreed

but this I was like you guys deserve to be where you're at yeah I should be eaten like I was just really trying to Trying to root for him. At the end, I kind of, when she lazily couldn't pull her brother up. Yeah. I was like, I hope the shark jumps out the water.

Yeah. Like, you know what, that extra 20 seconds that you could have taken to pull him up? He was under the water looking for the fucking shark that's chasing you. I know, just looking around. Terrible, terrible. They did that every time. Oh, my God. Every fucking time.

Oh, my gosh. Like in those moments, aren't she supposed to get like a rush of adrenaline that gives him to death? Allegedly. She didn't want to save her brother or her boyfriend. I couldn't tell which one he was. In both of these movies. Both movies. I was like, what the fuck is you doing?

Just go. Just go. Just go. There's a short. They're really going to bleed. They're going to bleed together a lot, Philip. These two movies are going to bleed together a lot. Oh my God.

There's a whole lot of shit happening. we should look at and see what's... Yeah, but don't expect to see any blood. Stop it right now. All the kills are off screen in both fucking movies. Oh my God. About to say what kills. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. I'm not... I'm not... You're okay? The kills in general, I just hate the behaviors. It just, it makes me infuriated because it's like there is a shark chasing you. What the fuck are you?

you going to do by going underwater and looking at it? Just go. Just go. And they go back to your buggy board. They missed a perfect chance for him to look under and then that's when the shark grabs him. Right. Yeah. Right. That would have been a good. They could have had a cool scene there. That would have been a good jump scare. Like he keeps looking under seeing nothing. He goes down one more time and then as soon as he goes under. And then it's right there. Yeah. They missed it. They missed it. But that was my frustrating part.

And the one that annoyed me the most was that girl that died first. Who would not stop freaking out. Like, bitch, if the shark's not going to kill you, I'm about to drown your ass. You've got to stop. You are not helping the situation. But those are my thoughts on the movie. Oh, man, bad.

What did I think about this movie? Oh, man, Brian, shame on you. Shame, shame. Shame on the people that made this. Right, yeah, it was bad. Hold on, I've got a guest here. Hold on. You want to chime in real quick?

Have you seen any of these shark movies? The Reef? Hold on. I got a guest. Hey, brother. What's going on? Hey. Have you seen any good horror movies lately?

Not really. No. Come on, man. Neither did we. You all talking about Uncle Drew? A shark eat, well, blood in the water after a shark maybe eats somebody off screen. All right.

Tell everybody who you are. Say, um, one. and why are you on the why are you on the horror returns podcast come on buddy what's your favorite horror movie one um the conjuring ah good choice good movie choice i'll take it tell everybody why we're here together this weekend where are we we're at lake travis lake Travis home of home of freshwater sharks right um i think so probably see more sharks than we did Grandpa.

All right. Get out of here. That is a good one. Good pick. Good pick. All right. If you guys don't remember, Juan was on our Uncle Drew special one-off show that we did several years ago.

Uncle Drew, we're talking about all the hits tonight. Yeah, all the hits. Yeah, this was this was a stinker, guys. I mean, I can't really say too much that y'all haven't already covered. the guy going under the water to look for the shark and the stupid, completely stupid people.

The guy that stayed behind on the boat that we don't know what the fuck happened to. It's almost like that one scene they were going to show you what was happening, right? Because he's like, oh, shit, there's movement in the water. Right. Or where he kept leaning over with his face. Oh, I know. He was. He was like right over the edge.

He's like, oh, my God, something just bumped the boat. There's some weird shit going on out there. It might be a get job. Let me stick my hand down there. Yeah, this is some rough stuff. I don't have a lot to say. You don't have to find a reason for them to go back underwater. I'm glad we had a lot of news and trailers to flesh out the show, Brian, because I don't have much to say about either one of these masterpieces tonight.

Well, for 1499, you better find it. of something to say. Uh-oh. Yeah, I got raped on that one. Well, we'll get to that one. That was probably a better movie than this one, maybe. Oh, my score may disagree, but we'll see. You're doing scores now?

Yeah. Let's move along. Nothing to see here. These aren't the George you're looking for. They, let me be positive. There was real sharks. they put images on film and made a movie out of it. That's something.

But I just, if you're going to spend that much time on just the people, give me a reason to fucking root for them. Yeah. Not, I mean, unless it's like a super cool villain or bad guy, you should always root for the people. You should always like, oh man, how are they going to get out of this? They need to get out of this. No, you shouldn't be like,

want him eating i want her eating he's next that one the guy on the boat i hope he dies ridiculous and it and you didn't and even hoping that everybody gets eaten you didn't even get no cool death scenes like we we came up with the perfect one with the guy going under the water yeah we came up with a perfect scene in like two minutes i know would it would have been much better much better speaking of the congering right one's favorite movie. That would have been a great jump scare, right? Yeah. But we didn't get it.

Yeah, I, uh, oh, what was the score? I don't know. Two. Come on. A two. Yeah. It's just decision making for me, man. It's like, yeah. I'm trying, I'm trying to root for these

assholes, the whole movie. Yeah. And no disrespect to the people that actually went through this. Because, you know, we don't know what really happened. Oh, you mean in real life? Yeah, but they just, they made these people so unlikable. Yeah. True.

Well, and it was just the, like, the constant screaming and the stuff, and it's like the constant. Yeah, the bad decisions that happened over and over. And it's like, stupid people. You know what? At this point, you deserve to die. Darwinism takes effects. My boogie board floated away.

Yeah. That's okay. I'll just share one with you. I better go get it on my own. Although once the shark has already killed somebody, I doubt it's going to keep back. I know. Yeah, but it's a movie. Yeah, it's going to keep coming out.

Real quick, why did they leave the island? Because the tide was going out? They were having fun, right? or chintland on it? I don't know. The boat sank in the middle of nowhere. Now, you can get some little GPS things. Can you?

They cost like 800 bucks, but you hit a button and it notified the ghost guard and they come and get you. I have heard about that. Yeah. By the way, if you're going to go out to OpenC, probably. You better get one. I know it's expensive, but. I would buy it if it's $8,000.

Worth it. I mean, I don't know on a boat or, anything, but I assume if you have a boat like that, spring for the $800 GPS thing. Yeah. In the open sea. Yeah.

That was a... And you know, I mean, that shit happens. Dude, boat sink. I understand it. Like, it's... Yeah. I had my neighbor telling me a story earlier about how his fucking super rich friends were out on a yacht and

it sank in the middle of the ocean. And they got stuck out there on a dingy but they had one of those things and they clicked it and then like yeah yeah six hours the coast guard shows up yeah but that's what they were stuck out there on a little lifeboat their whole but they live because they spent the 800 bucks fucking water they probably had some kind of right survival kit with them too unlike sure i don't know if they had one they were gonna die yeah yeah they flowed in the middle of the water with boogie boards Well, no, they had a little white boat.

Well, not only a buggy board, Brian, but they took a saw and cut the buggyboard in half. I know. So they had enough to go around, right? That's how to make it work better. Yeah. Really. God damn it. It's the bitch from a Titanic all over again, taking the door.

There was plenty of room on that door. No, and it was the woman that was screaming the most at the beginning that, like, every, every time. something happened, the only thing that she could do was scream about it and get all freaked out. At least they knocked her up quick. Yeah. At this point, you are only hurting the situation. It's time for you to fucking nut up. See, that's where I disagree.

The other girl kept going all catatonic and spacing out and was just completely useless. Leave her in the water. Well, he had to see the shark. Oh, true. for it like snagged him by the ankle as he's trying to climb up. Seems like those couple extra seconds could have been useful. But yeah, no, I'm going to give it a, I'll give it a three. I mean, it did have some.

Nice, nice. It did have some interesting tension and stuff like that. It was just some of the survival decision making where it's like, you're going to die if you don't do something and they're like, I don't know what's going. Right. Right. Like that shit irritates me. Yeah. All right. Before we move on to our special guest,

who's not really a guest because he's part of the family. I'll give it a three. It wasn't the worst movie. What's up, Nez? Yo. Can you hear me? Yeah. What's up? What's up? I had to take a break. It's hell of hot out here. So I'm sitting in the car, cooling off.

Are you jamming out or what? Yeah, I think, uh, Haybridge just ended, but I think Black Label Society's on, but, Oh, fucking awesome.

You said Zach Wilder. Okay. Yeah. I'll go in there and catch the end. I need to rest up before Anthrax comes on. Oh, okay.

So anthrax is coming on next, right? Were you in the bathroom? Bathroom? Who's in the bathroom? You, oh, it looks like you that's a shower behind you.

No, I'm not. It's not a shower. I'm at Lake Travis Hitting out with the family I was just told I got five minutes left So this new This new movie is going to be the quickest

Review we've ever done What was the first one? The Reef The Reef Did you guys already give scores? Yeah, two, three and three. Yeah, I'm about a two Yeah

Wasn't awesome Two twos and two threes All right Everybody was telling me how good it was and I finally saw it. I was like, I don't know what you got. And we were saying the same thing. Philip was like,

why does so many people say, or Brian, you were the one, right, saying why does so many people say it's a great movie or whatever? Maybe they were talking about the animated movie The Reef. Oh, yes.

I almost watched that instead of this one, actually. The cartoon. Yeah, I just had to take a break. There's also a fair going on. I didn't know you could go in and out. usually you can't go in and out of concerts,

but they say, yeah, just get a stem. So, well, shit, I'm running out. Oh, cool, man. So you go out there and smoke a joint, drink a fifth of whiskey, and go back in. I got to drive home. Oh, okay. I got a four-hour drive after this.

I got a Zach Wilde guitar, man, the bullseye. Yeah. I made change setups here in the next couple weeks, so that may be in the background to some point. Nice. What's the next movie? I mean, the reef stopped. The reef sucked.

I mean, the reef stopped. I didn't even know the- Shutter. Oh, is it new? Yeah. You're okay. Tell us about Res dogs, man. Oh, really?

Yeah, that's my cool of the week, everyone, before I go back in. Also, Oklahoma to the premier screening of Reservation Dogs, season two it was at the something something casino it was it was right right uh not all

not all the res dogs were there only two of them well uh willie jack cheese and if you guys saw the first series that boy Daniel the one that passed and two guys that were sitting in the bar that uh uncle brownie beat up they were there

and uh bobby wilson uh i can't remember his name I think it was like dude or something like that. He was the guy that was selling weed in the dispensary. He's also one of the casino workers in Rutherford Falls. We got to watch the first two episodes, and it was good, man. They flew by so fast because it was, you know, how quick those episodes are.

So we're probably in there, like, maybe three hours total with all the talking and everything. but it was good. Couldn't get into the after party. I tried, but... Oh, damn, dude. That would have been wild. McNez didn't work there. Okay, well, maybe next time.

Yeah, we're talking to this one dude. He goes, yeah, next year you guys can come in. All right, well, we'll be back. So, but it was a good time. Had fun. Shout out to Oki Podcast, Skodin Cinema, Toak Signals, and the rest of those natives. Got to hang out with all them.

Oh, I also recorded an episode with the Underground Kings podcast. I don't know what episode. Where are they from? They're from Tulsa, Broken Arrow. So, yeah, I think that's coming out in a couple weeks. As soon as it's out, I'll let you guys go. It's just me being an old man and mad at these two young guys that didn't see Jaws or Indiana Jones. Maybe they saw the reef.

Dude, I was just talking to my sister-in-law who has never seen she's 44 years old. She's never seen Boris Gump, the Princess Bride, Super Troopers. Oh, wow. She has watched Pulpiction.

Yeah, there's some things you don't say out loud. Because when we, when we've seen, nope, they showed the trailer for, because, you know, they're doing a re-release in theaters for jobs. Yeah, sure. And she leaned over and she was like, I've actually never seen that. And I was like, don't say shit like that out loud.

No, I know. Keep that to yourself. You've never seen what now? IMAX 3D. All right. I'll see it. I don't know. I don't know why.

IMAX cool, but there's no need for it to be 3D. That was, all right, just trying to get more money at me. But I'll see it. Yeah, other than that, man. It was a long journey. Went all the way out there back. I stopped in just about every state just to get there. From Nevada to Arizona to Colorado to Texas and then to Tulsa.

And that was just going there. So it was a long ride. But I had a good time. Shout out to everybody that I hung out with. But I'll let you guys get to the next movie because I got to get back in there. It sounds like Zach Wilde Black Label Society is going. So, yeah. Everyone, good safe out there.

I'll talk to you next time and party on. Oh, go to the horror returns.com, buy a t-shirt and all that other shit. But, yeah, to then, peace. Hey, Brian, I think you'll be able to be on. All right. Peace. Thanks, bro. All right.

I guess that pretty much brings us full circle on the reef, huh? Dude, I saw Black Level Society in a little bitty room one time. I was right up next to the stage. It was awesome. Were you tripping on acid? No. Damn it. Can't have everything, right? No, but he was like right there.

Like, gave me a high five. Oh, wow. Like, that's how close to the stage we were. It was crazy. Right. All right. Roll on to the Reef Stocked. 2022.

We'll see if we can't approve. After her sister's murder, Nick, her younger sister and two friends, seek solace through a Pacific Island kayaking adventure. Hours into the trip, the woman are stopped by a shark and must band together, face their fears, and save each other. Director and writer is Andrew Trowke. Same is the first one. In November 2020, it was announced that pre-production was underway on a sequel of 2010's Australian Shark movie The Reef with filmmaker Andrew Chalky, returning to direct. The sequel from

Thrills and Spills and Filmology Finance was produced by Jack Christian, Neil Kingston, and Michael Robertson. The film will be released in the summer of 2022, and that is really shitty trivia. I'm sorry, guys. The Reef stalked. Brian, what did you think about this one? All right, I'm going to make an executive decision

we are going to insert the spoiler alert right here. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Fair enough, because what's the point?

All right. I will say I hated this movie less than the original one. Me too. There was a I can't even say some characters There was a character that I kind of felt for And that was the sister Okay

They kept trying to make her look young By putting her in pigtails or whatever Braids or something Oh that one yeah I kind of felt for her because of what happened I can't even say what happened to the sister Because something else happened to somebody else That she kept envisioning shit she never saw in her head constantly

which I thought was stupid. Was that a PSD thing, I guess. Yeah, her leaving the sister to take care of the sick mom and not being there for them to go do other shit. I kind of felt for her. Yeah. She was obviously there because she was trying to show her sister, I can do the same shit you do.

That's the only reason she was there in the water. So I did feel for her. Everybody else, you neither didn't get to know him. Lance, I made an executive decision. We hit the spoiler alert. already? You know what? That's perfectly fine because I don't think any of us is going necessarily recommend this one.

Basically what I'm saying is the younger sister is the only character. There's a shark attack. Spoiler. Basically the younger sister. But is there? Because we really don't see much. Oh, we see some sharks this time. It didn't look like real sharks most of the time. Like I was telling Phil, the only

character I felt for was the younger sister. Yeah. Other than that, I didn't care for them or I didn't get to know them. Like, the first out of the group that got eaten, like, who was she? She was another blonde lady that got eaten. Do we even care, really? And how does, who were these people that? Group in the beginning, right? Yeah, they were the group in the beginning.

And then one of them got killed by their boyfriend. Right. Oh, that was horrible. That was fucking horrible. that same group at least. Oh, my God, dude. Why would they throw that in there? That's a horrible thing to happen to somebody,

but for them to drag it on and this lady have PTSD and kept having these flashbacks, like she was actually there for the drowning of her friend. Yeah, I mean, it would have made more sense if it was like a shark attack or something, right?

A shark attack or at least if you're going to have flashbacks of her friend being drowned by her boyfriend, at least be there, like, try to stop him, and he you couldn't. Yeah. And you felt picky about it.

But who were, who were, who were, who were, who were these people that, that showed up the mother and the two daughters? Did they even know them? Because they were like,

they started calling him by name and shit. And they were like, oh, uh, Jennifer, uh, Yanni. Oh,

God, I'm so worried if she's going to drown or whatever. You paid a lot. You paid a lot more attention to this movie because I don't know anyone's name. I was going to talk about, I was made up a couple of names. Are you talking about the children?

Yeah, it's like, where did they get from? Yeah. Did they know them? No. Did they know them prior to the lot of the movie? Then why did they fucking act like they were cared about them and that they knew these kids?

Because they're children in a water with a shark. Yeah. You're not going to tell you kids to get out. One of them got eaten and the, no. Do one of them getting eaten? No. But one of them got bit. Yeah.

I thought she got eaten. I was like, bitch of you to stop fucking. staring at the goddamn thing kept paddling, you'd have been there. She did that thing in shark movies where you've got to lean over and look in the water. Yeah. Who is this guy?

Huh? Who is this writer-director? This fucking horrible. Well, you didn't give us any... Can we please take his movie-making budget away from him? Well, to be honest, did he have a budget to make this movie? He just used a bunch of stock footage from Animal Planet, huh?

He just bought kayaks with his budget. Because if there was ever a time to use the term, we need a bigger boat. It was for this movie because that... Are you all ready for scores? Yeah, well... I've got my family over here yelling. Get out to the lake with us. Get out to the lake with us. Get out to the lake.

Lance, you spent $15. You need to give us two-minute review for $15. My two-minute review is simple. Nothing in this movie made any fucking sense. They show up on this fucking high. or whatever where this woman and the two girls are and they're acting like they've known them from the prior movie and then you've got a goddamn my mind is blown but the chick the guy did he drown her in the tub or yes is that what happened floating in the tub so what does that have to what does that have to do with a fucking shark movie

it was just trying to give you a little bit of backstory to this one character it made no sense Because the rest of the story sucks. They were trying to give you, they were trying to give you a reason for her to, to have this conflict in the water of why she can't do anything. Thank God. You know what?

This movie was worth every penny that I spent. Because I've had so much trouble fleshing out of bottom 10 for this year, Brian. Thank God. This may be the movie that knocks the black phone out of my bottom 10. The black phone. Jesus, God damn Christ.

Brian knows what I'm talking about. You are trying to be controversial. You can make that cemetery remake any day over the black time. I don't know what else to say about this movie. The reason for her PTSD was stupid. It should have been something to happen in the water. It didn't even have to be a shark. It could have a accident that happened in the water.

To have a flashback of a bathtub. It should have been an accident. Get a back. up, that was the water. That was the water connection. It should have been an accident that happened in the water and her sister trying to prove that she can also go into the water should have been a reason for her to go back into the water. That would have made way more sense. I'm going to go a step further, Brian. I honestly think it should have been a shark related issue. Honestly, seriously, for it to make sense. To have that better. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying if you didn't, if you, if you, if it

need to be a shark it could have been a water-related incident that happened not her somebody else dying that you didn't see happen i understand i understand finding your dead friend in a tub is traumatic but to keep having flashbacks like you were actually it was almost like a pov shot like she was in the water or something yeah it was she don't see it happened i'm gonna be controversy now can i be a controversy real quick yeah One of two things is happening here. No, one of two things is happening here. Either this writer-director is trying to get.

No, I'm not going to say it. I got bad Black Christmas vibes in all the most icky ways. Like, either he's trying to get in these women's pants by saying, we're making a women-empowered shark money here. But I want to fuck y'all all. And I want you to think I'm one of those kids. caring guys. A male feminist.

Okay. I'll take the word of the scores. Or... Or he just didn't know what the fuck he was doing. This was fucking horrible. This movie... I'm leaving more towards the second one. This movie felt like two ideas.

You don't think he thought of doing that much, Philip? Do you want, Brian? I mean, I know there was... There was... You know, I mean, there was definitely a girl. Girl power thing going. I guess, right? But it was so, so bad.

Yeah, it wasn't so blatantly obvious that it made me not like the movie. I just didn't like the movie because it's... Really? Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. What do you think, Brian? What are you doing, scores? Okay, sure. Let's go. So I could go outside and go fishing. Would I give the last one of two?

I have to give this one slightly I have to go up a little bit because I didn't I didn't hate the characters I just didn't I didn't care about them the previous movie I fucking hated every one of them This one, they gave They kind of just went right into the movie

You didn't get to know any of the characters Other than the main girl and the sister Which I'm okay those These are the two main characters You can kill off the other ones which you only killed off one character, which was probably the one you got to know the least. Or had the least lines or whatever.

Yeah, especially when she died, I thought she was the other girl at first. I know. I got them confused. And then I got them confused. I know we're supposed to be kind of rooting for the main girl, but I just kind of was rooting for the sister more. I mean, she had a backstory.

She was more likable. She was more likable. when the kids were in danger, she was the only one that was like, we need to warn the kids. I like the Asian chick who had to put up with both of their bullshit the entire goddamn time.

Did it seem like she didn't even like her friend? Yeah. Like, I hate you. I don't blame her. I hate you because we're in this movie. But, yeah, I have to give a slightly higher score, three. The movie looked better,

but the shark looked worse than the original one, if that makes sense. Ouch. It also makes perfect sense. Spectacularly unshark-like decisions. You know? Kind of like Jaws the Revenge type decision.

Yeah. Shark movies, the sharks are terrifying. On their own, just doing their natural shark thing. When you make them do unnatural, not shark things, you don't. Oh, you guys are going to the other side of the island? I'll swim over there and meet you. Right. I'm just going to pick you apart.

Yeah. bite a leg off, let you drown. They're not torture artist, man. Yeah, this movie was very inspired by Jaws the Revenge, right? Even the title. Yeah, three. Three. What did I give the last one?

Three? I'll give this one. I'll give this one a four. I shit all over it because it's easy to do. and because I had a lot of burritos. But this one wasn't as bad as the other one. The characters weren't as annoying. At least they were trying to do something actively the entire time.

And there wasn't one that was just screaming and flipping out every time something happened. Like they were at least, you know, trying to solve the problem that was in front of them. Yeah, the only one that was screaming, flipping out was the kid. And I mean, she's a kid. Right, which makes sense. Although even on that one, I'm like, okay, all right. Are we done with this screaming kid shot because...

Well, I mean... I'd rather... I'd rather hear that than the guy in the first one that was like, ooh-huh. The guy was not reacting to a shark. He's not reacting to a shark. It's like he saw a spider or something. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. All right, Lance. Crawling on his testicles. Score it, Lance. Oh, I give the other one to three. This one, to me, is a notch down. This one's down to two. This is really rough, man.

I'm telling you that... Don't watch these movies. It's not... Yeah, it's just the discontinuity of the plot. It makes no sense. It's just stupid. stupidly written, stupidly executed, stupidly acted. The fact that her daughter, her sister was drowned or whatever by this guy,

and like you said, the point of view, camera work of the drowning, and it had nothing to do with a shark attacker being in open water, and then they could have easily at least tied that together. You know, yeah, I'm going to rewrite the movie right here. Uh-huh. She sent, she, I was a witness to him killing her, sent him to jail, he gets out years later, he's stalking them out. out in the water.

And not only do they have to worry about... Wow, Brian! They have to worry about a shark at the same time. Plus, the shark doesn't have to be some insane robot missile shark that, like, attacks them every 10 seconds. Says you. Like a robot missile shark. Wow.

Bad. Yeah, this is, this is it. And like I said, worth every penny of the 15 bucks to help me flash up my bottom 10. Yes. For those of you listening, just if you have shutter just watching on there. Well, there you go. It's free, so why not, right?

If you're really fucking bored, probably don't do that. But I would probably just, honestly, even if I had Shutter guys, I'm talking to everyone listening, don't watch it. It's not worth it. It is not worth it. You guys ready for the outro? Yeah, let's do it. All right, I'm going to go try to kiss that shark right now

and ask that motherfucker why it would have been in this piece of shit movie. In the lake. Sure. I'm going to try to cast my line really far. Great lakes. There's sharks in the Great Lakes, guys.

Yeah, be careful. I heard he's a robot missile shark, so. Okay. Does he have freaking laser beams? If so, I'm fucked. Freckin' laser beams? Probably. All right. We want to thank you guys

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