The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #326: The Ghost And The Darkness (1996) & Beast (2022)

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

It's Lion week at THR as we check out The brand new Idris Elba movie Beast as well as 1996's The Ghost and the Darkness. Cool of the week includes Supernatural, She Hulk, Strange New Worlds, and Orphan: First Kill. Trailers are Wednesday and Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities. The podcast spotlight shines on Pretty Killer podcast. And we get feedback from Xim Vader, Lyle Huckins, Carey Vickers, Willis Wheeler, and Al Ramseur. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the whole returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language.

Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. One and all to the horror returns. I'm Lance. With me as always, my co-host, Kevin, Philip, Brian. What's going on, guys? What's up? I'm good.

We got some exciting stuff going on. I'm struggling with getting these fucking t-shirt set up the right way on the on the site Brian but tell everybody what's what we got going on at the poor return store man well with the previous two designs we have a I guess you will call like a remix of the original skull plus two more brand new designs from a friend of the show Steve Carlton from the geeks I feel like we need the DJ horn for that announcement remix well We need a soundboard. Hopefully by the time this shows up, I've figured out how to get them all uploaded the right way.

Soundboard might be dangerous on this show. This might be pressing buttons all the time. I guess we're going to have to make one then. Philip, can you do it? I've been looking. I'll look back into it. I feel like I try to do Skype not too long ago, and it was. Right.

Not working for me, but I'll figure something out. There's got to be a way. There's a program you can use and just put them all onto your keyboard. Yeah. Yeah, I talked to, shout out to Rick. Hail Ming Power Hour and all the other shows. Yeah, they were talking about that. Midlife Crisis, shout out to them.

Midlife Crisis. He was telling me, he sent me, I can't remember what it was. I never did it. I was looking I was talking to my buddy shout out to the classic wolf podcast he had some kind of little soundboard but he paid like an arm and a leg for it and I'm said we don't want to do that podcast we're podcasts on a budget yeah so all right can't do that you guys ready to roll out cool of the week yep who's up who's up first I'll go first mine's bored go ahead

Uh, same thing. Supernatural. Supernatural again. Yeah, I'm still trying to catch up on it, man. I'm trudging along. Uh, still a good show. Um, the younger one, Sam, he seems to be aging awfully quickly. Ah, okay.

But, uh, you know, because they were both like in their 20s when they started it. And it's, right. I'm only in like season four or five. and I'm like, oh, he's looking older. And I saw a recent picture of him, yeah. Is there maybe like a writer strike year in there or something where they didn't have a show for a year or something maybe? It's possibility.

And my downside is that, like, they go into this arguing over whether, like, God and the devil exist. Okay. And their job is to kill demons. Yeah. Like, don't you kind of know that at this point? But aside from that, still a real fun show. Lots of really cool references that we would get, you know?

Okay. Yeah. Like that, he checks into hotels under like heavy metal names and stuff. Like they'll pose as Detective Angus and Detective Young, you know? Okay. It's fun, man. I never watched the show. And I'm like, oh, wow, I think I really miss something here.

It's a cool show. Yeah, got a big cult following. Brian, don't they? They actually have, like, conventions just for Supernatural, don't they? Are they used to? They probably still do. Like I said, last week, they're doing the spinoff show. And obviously it had to have been a good show.

Right. At some point, you know, I mean, It's like, what, almost 20 seasons or something crazy. I try not to look too far in advance. I'm on, like, season four or so. Yeah, I always thought about getting into it, because I've never seen that. I've never seen Buffy.

I've never seen any of those big 90 shows that went on for whatever ridiculous amount of seasons. Just never got into it. But I've been thinking about it. I know, like, on, like, Hulu and Amazon Prime. like the entire series. That's not Buffy. As you were talking the other day about,

on your show, I think it was on East Society, you were talking about Smallville. And I think you said those two dudes do their own podcast now or something like that. Yeah. Damn, 15 seasons? Never seen Smallville either.

Yeah, I've seen Smallville. Yeah, Smallville's good. Supernatural is 15 seasons. Yeah. Yeah, I had to look it up. Because I remember Smallville was leading the charge for the most season because they went 10. Right. And then it ended.

Yeah, and they got off in the weeds there towards the end. Did they? Yeah. After like the first three or four seasons, it sort of they go off into La La Land. Oh, man, every season was hella good. I was totally against. I was against it in the beginning, but as the show went on, I fell in love with Allison Mack. She played Chloe Sullivan, and I know.

It's not the sex cult. Yeah, that's the sex cult. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah, her, I'm not all for it, but I love her character. Okay. But on the show, talk. If you're going to be in a sex cult with anybody, Chloe's a good choice.

Not a bad chick to be in there with you. Their show was it's Michael Rosenbaum and Tom Welling. They're doing Talkville. Tom Willing. Yep. And then shout out to the geeks. They do each episode. They talk about it.

So I'm like, damn, they got like 10 years of episodes. Each season had like 24 episodes or something like that. So they got their hands full. So I'm listening to it. It made me go back and rewatch. uh each episode so i haven't seen smallville in a while so it's really cool um i was kind of bummed on the very last episode when spoiler alert when uh clark finally flew as superman and we didn't really get to see it but all right but it wasn't about superman it was about clark sure and

uh and his his early age yeah so but it was still a good show um but yeah tep dev you guys uh like Smallville, you had no idea they were doing that show. Definitely check out TalkVille. It's a cool show. It's good to hear it from the two guys that were in it. Michael Rosenbaum. I figured he'd do something else. He did the fog.

You mean welling? Yeah. Rosenbaum did things here and there. But nothing. They didn't really do anything as big as Smallville. I mean, Michael Rosenbaum didn't even feel. finish the whole series. They wrote his character out.

Yeah. Well, I think he wanted to. It seemed like he was like, I'm tired of this. I want to do something else. And they wrote him out. So, but yeah, whatever. Yeah, Carl, I'm way behind on it. I don't even know what last, the last season I watched.

Speaking of which, Lionel Luther, the dude that play Lionel Luther, he showed up as a cult leader on Fear of the Walk. dead a couple of seasons back. He seems like a cult leader type. Yeah, he does. Everything ties together. But that's not your cool of the week, right, Naz?

No. I checked out orphan first kill. Before I got into that, before I get into that, She-Hulk Hella-good. Yeah. She-Hawk is hell-good, really? I see.

Hell. Can I, let me jump in. I felt like they fixed up the the CGI. It didn't bother me. And there was a lot of times I was laughing throughout the episode. I liked the comedy. I like the humor.

And I like the interaction between her and Bruce. And a lot of callbacks. Yeah. If you catch him all. So, yeah, I'm with you. Hella, he's going to be in the whole season or is he just in the beginning? I think I read something about. him and Wong.

I forgot the actor that plays Wong. They're listed on IMDB for like almost every episode. Nice. Okay. Okay. What about that? That's cool. Yeah, I just expected it to suck hard.

No. I hear he's coming in, but isn't this all taking place in L.A.? Yeah. A lot of people, there's a lot of people saying they're teasing West Coast Avengers. West Coast Avengers. I hope so. Man, they teased it in one of those Avenger movies. I can't remember.

Can we get some motherfucking X-Men up in here? Please. Well, Ms. Marvel, we found out. She's a mutant, right, Brian? Yeah. Yeah. It's your first mutant? I don't know.

Well, everything that they laid out for us during Comic-Con, I mean, X-Men was not on there. That last phase had like eight slots opened. Okay. Yeah, so we'll see. I still think when D23 happens, they're going to do the X-Men roll out. They better that in Fantastic Four.

Dude, they killed it with Avengers. Right. Don't hate the Fantasy. Like, but when I was a kid, like, I was big into the X-Men comics. Everybody was.

And I thought that the Avengers and the Fantastic Four were a bunch of fucking nerds. Like, I need my X-Men. They've done great with them. Let's see what they can do. with the X-Men. And let Harry Potter be Wolverine.

I'll be all right with that. I kind of liked I see somebody do some artwork for Taryn Edgerton, the guy from... Really? I like that. Owen Lars?

The Kingsman Secret Service. Okay. I heard it was going to be named DeHaan. What? Why not? Dane DeHon is going to be Wolverine. He could be Cyclops. You have a very sleepy Wolverine.

He's been in the gym. He could be Cyclops, so they don't have to see his sleepy eyes. But, uh, orphan first kill. Orphet first kill. I was, yeah, I was kind of like, what? This is a prequel? I wasn't sure. Oh shit.

Ten years later after the first one or whatever. Yeah, I was like, wait, what? And then, uh, they brought the little girl back and I was like, hey, didn't she die in the first one? So I was like, all right. I didn't watch any trailers. I didn't really read into it. But in the beginning, I mean, there's nothing to spoil. We already know who she is.

If you haven't seen orphan, I mean, just if you got Paramount Plus, both of them are on there. So it wasn't a theater. The family that she was with before them? Yes, they mentioned this family in the first film in the beginning. Because I rewatched the first one, and they mentioned this. So... This is what happened. But I liked it.

I thought it was good. Will it make my list? I still got a lot of other films to watch horror-wise, but this wasn't a horror film. And this was just like a dramatic thriller. Yeah, I got you. It wasn't the theater. I was going to go see it in the theater. But then I saw, oh, it's true on Paramount Plus and save me $10.

So I just went home and watched it. And I liked it. I thought it was good. I have not seen Julia Stiles in a really long time. Damn, she looked hot in this movie. It's been a while. I like the dark, I like the dark hair. I think she's a mom now.

I don't know, I don't know for real, but she. That's the name of her head and hood in a long time. Yeah, it's been a while. I hated the son, Gunner. He got on my nerves. Oh, wow. The dad was just as bad as, uh, Oh, no. Horn dog, huh?

No, not really. The dad was like the dad from Stranger Things. Like, the Mike's dad, like, he's just completely out of the loop on anything going on. He was just there. He was just there. Well, I don't want to die. Well, it's not nothing. Don't spoil.

Don't spoil. There's nothing to spoil about it. You already know. You already know her story. All right. All right. No, the twist. Fair enough.

You already know the twist, so there's nothing. But, Brian, did you like how they filmed it? It was very... I was surprised to find out this was coming out in theaters. It looked... I don't want to say cheap. Okay. It looked really made for TV.

Yes. It looked made for TV. I appreciated what they tried to do. Because if you can't get over that she's older in real life, the actress, you're not going to make it through this movie. That's going to be the hard part. But if you can get past that, they did their best. They did camera angles.

They did wide shots. It clearly was the actual child. They did the, I think they even did the thing like they did in the Hobbit, the little forced perspective to make her look smaller. No, I saw some pictures. They, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the parents. or whatever. They had like

kiss boots on. They had those like super high. Yeah. Because this Isabelle Foreman or whatever her name is. She's 25. With Danny Trejo. Okay. Yeah. She's 25 right now. So she was probably 24 when they filmed this.

And yeah, it was a little like, wait, what's happening here? When they, because I I like her. I think she's cute. She's a good little actress, but I was, I would, it took me a minute to, to get into it. I liked what they did on how they filmed it. When they show her, they, they make her look like the little girl she is, but I was like, she does not look like a little girl, like in her face. Yeah. But when you see her, like, when she's, to see the back of her, it's obviously a little girl standing there. Okay. And when she's running

around, uh, it's, it's a little kid, but I, I, I, like I said, I appreciate what they did, because from what I understand. There was no CGI. They did. Really? To try to make it the best they could for her to look younger, like she did in the first movie, it was all makeup or practical effects or special ways to use the camera.

So they elevated the, they elevated the, the main, the grownups. They elevated them. Because there's times where she's standing there, and they're like way taller than her. So I was. Or like a time. Tom Cruise movie.

There you are. Yeah. Tom Cruise. Or right an hour when he was doing the it looked weird.

When she was like there standing there by herself, right. They might have made everything bigger in the

room or something. I don't know. But I think I think she looked better when she got into. We have to build this dresser.

It's an extra 60th is taller. All right. I'm looking at pictures on IMDB and there's, there's, they got

little actresses, little girls dressed up like her. Running around like these lepracons. I think she looked better as the movie went on when she got into I guess you would say full Esther mode when she had the outfit and the hair

because that's not how you meet her in the beginning of this movie. Yeah, I was I mean, we're going to check it out. Sure. It took a minute to like, all right, just, all right, this is what they're doing. and you just got to deal with it.

That, yeah, it was just like, it's a movie. Just take it for what it is. But getting over all of that, I thought, I liked the movie. I thought it was good. I want to watch it again because I just was, I was mainly paying attention on how they were filming it. So, but the story was nothing. It was just, here she is.

Yeah, so there was, there was no shock value in it. I did. I did enjoy the twist. Oh, there was a twist. That came in halfway through the movie. She's actually older. Well, there's a twist. Is she twins?

There's a twist that I see, that happened that I didn't see coming. I didn't either. But with that, I don't like the way they handled it after. I think, yeah, I think it's when you find out what that, when you find out what that is, you kind of like,

went, wait, what? And then go, ah. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. It doesn't take anything away from the performances and everything. Again, Isabella, if you're listening, I mean, I liked her in Hunger Games in that first movie. And she's a cute little gal. I mean, watch her films that she's in. I know she's got more stuff coming, but for not knowing anything about this film, I enjoyed it.

I started watching reviews of it on YouTube, and they were all just as like, same thing. They kind of had to get over on how she looked, but as the story went on, you're kind of like, oh, okay, cool, man. It is, it is what it is. It's good for Paramount Plus. Yes. I enjoyed it. I'll definitely watch it again. Yeah, just like last week when I said, if they make any more paranormal activity movies for Paramount Plus,

I'll rather watch it like that You know, they keep If they want to do another Orphan movie for Paramount Plus, I would Check it out. Would I go to the theater for? Probably not. But, you know, Paramount Plus is, They're giving us content.

They need to drop Top Gun Maverick on there. Yeah. I thought they were going to after 45 days. They put it back in the theater Because there's no, there's no big releases. coming. So they're trying to

it just passed Titanic for domestic box up. Good. Good. That movie's garbage. Jaws is coming out of an IMAX in a couple of weeks. Yeah, I got plans to go see that. Yep. I think I'm

taking a family. Coming back. Broke ones coming back. I think I'm taking a family CET. Is that 3D? I'm not watching 3D. No, no 3D E.T. My eyes are too old for 3D. I'll check out Jaws. I hate these. I hate converted

3D movies, but I'll... My eyes feel like I'm still seeing in 3D after I leave the theater, so I can't do it. You're going to put anything. Put Jaws 3D back in the theater on IMAX. Oh, God. I'll check that out. That too. Put it in 3D. I'll watch it.

Brian, you got a cool of the week? Well, we just talked about Orphan, first kill. Didn't hate it, didn't hate it. But it's not going to make any of my list at the end of the year. It's like Ness says, it's fire for Paramount Plus. Better than a fire starter, right? Way better.

Way better. Okay. That's what I'm going to say. She-Hulk is definitely my cool of the week. Nice. Nice. All right. I was just.

That surprises me. I'll watch it, man. I'm glad to hear it. I just really like what they're doing. with it, the humor. They said there's going to be a lot of familiar faces popping up because, you know, it's, the show's going to be part like legal kind of drama comedy, you know, so. Okay.

And they're from the trailer. It seems like they're going to make her the head of being like an attorney for, for superheroes or even super villains, you know. That would be pretty cool. And they said there's going to be a lot of, daredevil. He's coming. Okay. it's like what's happening in the

wwee right now they're not gonna yes they're not gonna bring everybody back right away yeah and nez you gotta save something your your girl sarah logan was teased last night she better come back coming back with her husband

they got rid of it i didn't even know they got rid of the well the the the the Viking writers or whatever yeah i don't know they changed their name like five times they're still there but they teased her it was like someone standing in the background and you clearly was her.

Ah, okay. Triple H took over and now he's bringing everybody that got fired and released back. Triple H still hanging around? How old is that motherfucker? Before or after his heart surgery. Oh, is he still wrestling? No, heart surgery retired him.

Okay. Sounded like, you know, I think this happened like last year. It sounded like he almost died. Oh. But since Vince had to step down and he took over, he's kind of writing all the wrongs. And I like the pace he's doing it. He's not hitting us with everything all like in one show. He's kind of pacing it out.

All right. Look at. I haven't been excited to watch WWE content in a while. I'm waiting for Shane on Mac to come. back. He comes to money. That's what I'm soon as that hits. I'm going to lose it.

What was his story gimmick before he left? He was the world's greatest athlete or something. I don't know. I thought he was drunk somewhere. I have no idea. That was a shocker when he first came back because I was not ready. That's a big statement. Yeah, they had some tournament where he entered himself in.

cheated to win and he was carrying around his trophy claiming to be the world's greatest athlete or champion or legitimately hurting people with his weird little flurry punches that he doesn't know how to pull the cm punk is back a couple weeks ago and came back yeah carty might be leaving a w i'm going to there's a reason for not the world's greatest athlete because cm punk tried his hand at the UFC and didn't go so work out so well no no that was a cash grow

yeah oh well I'm sure it was Brock Buzner did it but that guy's a fucking mister that guy's legitimate though yeah punk never never had a background in any kind of martial art yeah he's a decent actor man I've seen him playing a couple of movies

that he puts in a pretty good performance actually. His wife need to come back. She's super hot. I heard some about that. It's going to be a movie or a series? It's a series with the Punisher. Okay.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Do more Punisher. Richard Gears the American Gigolo. Come on. When Gigolo's enough, huh? Rosie O'Donnell's in it? All right.

That's what all the job is say. Has anybody checked out off subject the league of their own the series? Not yet. It looks pretty good. Yeah, I want to see it. I haven't watched it yet. I didn't know that's the thing.

Did you watch rap shit? Yeah. Brian? No. Eh, they were just getting on my nerves. They were getting on my nerves. Right. Worse than Gunner.

from morphine? He was just a spoiled brat. That's all he wasn't. If you ever wanted the character to die, it would be good. Oh, is that the sun or something like that? Yeah. Okay. I'll check it out.

I'll watch it this week. Yeah, it's worth watching. Lance, you got to... Yeah, I got to throw in my clue of the week. It's finally super late to the party, but finally getting around to Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Nez, have you seen this one yet?

I haven't seen any of those. You know what? I think if you guys are not going to watch any other Star Trek shows at all, this would be the one to go ahead and watch because it's the most star Trek. Yeah, it ties into everything. It takes place a couple of years before the original series, and it's actually the first captain of the NCC 1701, which is Captain Christopher Pike.

And so he's got, you know, one. Yep. So he's Christopher Pike is the captain. You've got a, uh, uh, uh, Uh, Uh, Uh, Uh, uh, Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, O'Hura and Spock are the, are the two characters that, that go on to be in the regular series. And then you've got, uh, number one, who's his second in command, which is played by Major Barrett in the episode of the cage. So it, it, it ties into all the old original track stuff.

And it is, it is more of like a, a monster of the week or a, you know, solve a problem of the week type show. So it's easier to just watch. Yeah, it's easier to watch one episode. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's what I like about that show. Is that like if I fall asleep and miss a couple of episodes,

it's not a hard to catch up. Yeah. Yeah, this fifth one caught me, man. It's where Spock and his B-troth, her name is Tepriene. They mined with each other and switch bodies, and they both have to hit some. It's sort of... Freaky Friday.

Yeah, Freaky Friday. It's sort of a comedic episode because Spock has to play ambassador to a race that might become part of the Federation. So, of course, she's in Spock's body doing her best, and he's having to do something in hers. So it's kind of a... Every episode's a one-off.

So give it a shot, guys. If you don't watch any of the other Star Trek series that are on Paramount Plus, this would be a good one. Definitely a good one to start with. And it takes place, you know, first in all the series. So, except for Enterprise.

It makes sense. I've kind of heard nothing but good things about the Orville. That one's on Paramount. Yeah. A lot of, I think it's on Disney plus now, right guys? I think the Orville just came to Disney Plus.

Yeah, it's on Disney Plus now. Yeah. How's that word? I don't know. But Disney owns everything else, so why not? It was owned by Fox

and was a Hulu exclusive. and Disney owns, like, majority of Hulu. Yeah, everything. So it's a Star Trek property that CBS doesn't own. It's more of a Star Trek spinoff.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, parody. All right. We got any headlines, Brian? Yeah, some. Got any news? We got a rating

for the upcoming Hellraiser reboot that's coming to Hulu. Rated R for Strait. Strong bloody violence and graphic nudity. Ah. All right. Okay. You can be better than the last eight movies?

No shit. It's the only reason a movie should be rated R. Not to get too far ahead of myself, but like the movie we watched today was rated R. And I have no idea why. Oh, you know, I don't say this was? Beast wasn't R, was it? Yeah, it was a R. I took my kids to it.

I mean, it was scary in parts, but. I guess. I was like no I took the kids to it and I was like I would I'm worried that there's going to be some sex in here and not a lot of sex that way next week's movie that we will be reviewing the invitation is rated PG-13 for violent content and partial nudity okay so we get some side boob what is partial nudity side boob I don't think that counts as nudity Walking away in the dark Back in the all-of-nothing days

Man they showed everything and it was still PG Yeah Man look at 16 candles I mean there was boobs in it but no bush Right Well what was that read PG?

Was it really? Yeah And there you go. And that one trick was in the shower. It wasn't her, but, yeah. You're even... That one. Don't let Grandma take your fucking kids to it.

How about that? 70s and 80s was anything goes, right? Yeah. Yep. Nez, I know you're excited about this one. RIPD2, Rise of the Dam, is officially happening. Why?

Yeah. That's what I was thinking. You know, I didn't hate that movie. I don't really remember anything that happened in it. Watch it again then. Yeah, it probably wasn't very good. But I like the idea of it. Like, the concept could be good.

Why not? I don't see a cast listing, but I highly doubt that Jeff Bridges and Ryan Reynolds will return for this one. No, they ain't coming back. Yeah, it's going to be, who owns that property? Luke Evans or somebody. I'm not sure. I go to Netflix or pool of time. Dane Dahan and Luke Evans.

Dane Dahan looks like he's dead anyway, so that works. He could be the villain. Diablo Cody is writing a new horror film title, Lisa Frankenstein, and it will star Catherine Newton. She was the star of Freaky. Okay. And she will be in the next Ant Man and the Wasp as... No kidding.

Paul Rudd's grown-up version of her daughter. It's kind of sucks for the actress. Okay. I played the grown-up version in an endgame. Well, yeah. Shit happens. And Carlo Gugino. Okay.

Sexy, sexy Carla Gagina. Yeah, I like all those names, especially Diablo Cody. Has any of you guys watch this? the staircase, the TV series on HBO? Yes. Lance, you didn't watch this yet? That's what I was going to say.

You didn't watch you in Atlanta? Oh, the cocaine drug show? No, it's the guy that killed his wife. I'm throwing quotes up in case you can't see. And there was this trial. He got sent to prison for it. Dane Dahan plays one of the sons.

There's another Netflix staircase thing to... Isn't there... It's like the real-life documentary. The one H-Pow is just a dramatization. Isn't Dane DeHon in some Amazon Prime show about drug cartels or something? Lance? I couldn't tell you, man.

Sophie Turner's in this? I'm watching this. Sophie Turner and... Tony Gett? Tony Gett. Sophie Turner's in it? return to Jonas. Dane to hunt.

It's a good fucking show. Okay. It's straight up true crime drama, but it's, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, I never heard of this. Yeah, I thought you watched it already. Yeah, I like that stuff, man. I was, I was engrossed. Like, I did some background research into it and watched the other Netflix thing and all that stuff.

Yeah, it was, it's a, it's a pretty good story. I don't know how they. Sent that guy to jail. Dang to Dhan? No, Dane Dhan is one of the sons. Yeah, send him to jail. I can't remember. He was in true blood?

Dane to Han? Dane to Han? Yeah. I didn't remember that. I don't either. Somebody named Timbo. Probably in one episode. No, he was in a few episodes.

Was he sleep through him or something? I don't know. Maybe it was one during the the wear Panthers or whatever. I don't know. We lose, Phil? Uh-oh. Are you there, Phil? Stuck in the expression on camera.

Yeah, I'm having a little connectivity issue, so I'm wondering if that's on my end or what. And shocked about Dane DeHan. Oh, Dane DeHan's going to be an Oppenheimer. The next big Christopher Nolan movie coming out next year. What's that one about? Uh, is that the dude that built the atomic bomb or something? That's not Dane DeHan, is it?

He probably plays the bomb. Um, we lost, we lost, Phil. Yeah, well, I'm gonna finish news with one final thing. Come on, Phil, go back in, man. The next saw movie is coming October 27, 2023. I can't, I can't get too excited. What's it called? It's called, as far as I'm reading here, the next saw a movie.

But they said it'll have a title. It won't be Saw or it won't be Spiral. It'll have a new title. What? Why the fuck would they do that? Spiral. Spiral was good. I like that one.

Yeah. It's entertaining. It was better than Jigsaw. Yeah, definitely. No shit. No shit. And, uh, that's it. far as I see

the little action news that John Wick Spino show The Continental Yes Instead of showtime It's coming to Peacock Yes

No commercials Please Yeah Lance you should already have Peaccar because you're a I do I do

I never watch WWE on it But I do But I do have the network Why not? It's there You know for everyone to enjoy. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I think Phil's got some tech, tech issues, so hopefully he'll jump back on here, but I think he wants us to keep going on for now. Well, trailer park time? Yeah, trailer park. I guess, well, should probably know a little bit. There you go. Sorry about that, guys.

Why I've turned on my train to boil water at the same time, which apparently is connected the same circuit in here. Sounds like we need a fucking electrician. Yeah, that's right. Microwaves connect you to the internet. Do you have one of those fancy internet microwaves? Well, is internet microwaves? No.

Or the internet TV or internet refrigerators and stones and all. It just happens to be on the same wall and it's an old house. I don't think I want a refrigerator telling me I need more of this. My phone spies on me enough. I don't think my refrigerator doing it, too. Yeah, no shit. Everything in your house is probably spying

on you, Philip, you just don't know it. Everything is. Probably is. And recording back to Beijing. Xbox had that... Going into space. Xbox had that connect thing. I never hooked it up.

Oh, yeah, that's right. A lot of people... I did not need my Xbox scanning me as soon as I walked in a room, saying hello. There you go. That's what happened in one of those paranormal activity movies. Or the new child's playing movie. Remember that one, guys?

Yeah. Yeah. Hell of good. Not my Chuck. By the way. It wasn't mine, but it was still hella good. All right. First trailer is actually a teaser

for the upcoming Adams Family series on Netflix called Wednesday. I thought it was out already. Oh, it's a series? Yes, it's a series. The show follows Wednesday, Adams, years as a student when she attempts to master her emerging psychic ability. Twart and solved the mysteries of it.

I guess she's a psychic. I don't remember that from previous. I don't remember that. This stars, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, show favorite as of now Jenna Ortega. Right. Been in a lot of things we like.

She gets naked and X? I think you see behind nakedness. Was she the one that was helping and then wanted to join in? She's the one that kept calling Churchmouse. And then she was like, hey, I want to fuck on camera. Yeah.

Oh man. Damn little Wednesday. Which makes this awkward. Yeah. She fucked on camera. and had her boyfriend film it and then had him crying in the shower after. Yeah, man. What'd you think? Cuckold and the boyfriend.

Let's see. That movie was awesome. I don't care what anyone said. It was good. Catherine Zeta Jones will play Morticia Adams, Luis Guzman, Gomez Adams. Okay. Christina Ritchie makes appearance in the entire series as a different character. I listed.

I like that. This of course is created by Tim Burton. He's been letting me down. I know. He's been letting us all. Say what? Lead us off. I'll watch it.

I guess she ain't getting naked in this, but a little teaser trailer with the piranhas and all that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I mean, I love What's her name? She don't even age. Sorry, guys.

Lost you again. Zeta Jones don't age at all. No shit, man. She's... Michael Douglas does, but she doesn't. Yeah, she's sucking all his soul. Oh, is what's her name in this? I'm watching it now.

If anybody's sucking somebody's soul, I think it's Michael Douglas. That is her. What's her nuts? from Game of Thrones, the tall woman. Oh, okay, Gwendolyn Christie. Yeah. Okay, okay. That's cool.

All right, I'm in. Hey, Ricky. I'm in too, man. Ricky. I love her. It's also in this. I remember she was the, in the last house on the left remake. She was the crazy girlfriend.

Ah, okay. One that was in Superbet? Oh, wait, who's it is? Ricky Lennon. Oh, the one that's, uh, um, she's in Big Bank theory. The one that was trying to steal Sheldon. Um,

I don't know what you're talking about now. Lost me. Come on, man. You lost me on Sheldon. Yeah, she's the one who got, spoiler alert. She got shot in the head and she was topless in the, in that one. In Sheldon?

In Big Bang? No, in the last, last half on the left. I was about to say I'm turning it in on Big Bank theory. Wow, damn Blossom is hardcore. I love Blossom. That's the only reason I watch that show. Blossom. Yeah, I'll tune in to watch this just because I'm starting to be a big fan of Jenna Ortega.

Yeah, everybody is, man. Even the... You know what? They really didn't show him. Yeah. Oh, wait. Another cool of the week. That trailer for fucking Cobra Kai.

I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. I didn't know it was out. Yes. I'm ready. I'm ready. Mike Barnes is coming back too. Hell yeah. I'm ready. Cobra Cod Dojo has gone commercial. They are everywhere.

Yes. Give me all quicksilver this season. Pugsley, I did not see him in the trailer at all. No, I mean, he obviously was there. But, right. He's in the pictures I've seen. He has to be in the high school because the scene where she throws the piranha in the swimming pool. And the piranha clearly bites the dick off that guy, I'm assuming.

She alluded to nobody and nobody messes with my brother except for me. So he has to be. That's true. So he's in there. She's going to be. I think she's going to be one of the greats at the end of the day. Seems that way to- I mean, because she's in such a diversified

amount of things, you know what I mean? So you want to add her- Oddballed to something to that. Do I want to add it to what? The Sophia Lilis from it category? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

I think she's right in there. And I think that she, if she doesn't fall off the rails completely, she'll she'll do some great things she'll pull a Lindsay Lohan huh yeah I mean unless she pulls a Lindsay low hand

she's going to be a fucking you know Merrill Street type gonna be a star yeah Pugsley's only in it for two episodes it's not his story huh

that's true plus I mean let's be let's be real Pugsley's probably the worst character He was good in the movies. Yeah. Who's going to play Pugs, Lee, Naz?

Isaac or Donzi? I don't know how he says his last name. Never heard of. Okay. I've never even heard of this kid. What do you guys think about Luis Guzman? Oh, he was in wrinkle in time? No.

Luis, I'm not, I'm not feeling his hair. His hair that's look, yeah. You think? I'm not feeling his whole general attitude. as as the dad. What's his name? Okay.

Gomez. Gomez. Yeah, I like, I like the guy a lot. And I'm sort of excited to see him do this. But as soon as he popped up on screen, I was like, that's Gomez? Okay. I would, give him a chance, ma'am. I would hope that he, I want him to Louise Guzman, the role.

Yes. I don't want him to do a Raoul Julia impression. Yeah. Indeed. Catherine Zeta Jones is fine. She just... If he didn't show her the brain... Right.

I believe... I don't know, man. The internet got went crazy when that first picture came out. Oh, yeah. Why are you changing the race and all this shit? I'm just like... Changing the race. People just want...

People just want to... getting mad. You guys heard about how, I guess, a person of color popped up in the new Lord of Rings trailer. People got mad. Okay. I don't think I heard about that. There's just certain people.

There's just certain people that sit on the internet and they wait for something to get mad at something. Yeah. That's what it is. There's just too many people in our society. are looking for some shit. Well, I'll get mad if they make a Patsy Chief of a white guy. Well, see, that makes sense.

If they did that, then, yeah, get mad. If, uh, if, uh, John Lee's a fire starter, pulling a fire starter. If at the end of black pan- That was George C. Scott, so I let that one slide. You let that one slide, huh? If at the end of Black Panther, it's revealed that Keanu Reeves is the new king of Wakanda, then I,

can see why people would get mad, but... Yeah. All right. No, I mean, I think Luis Buzman is just... Like, if you're looking for, like, an archetypal person to play this character, that's probably not him. No, I think he's going to do great, man. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it.

I love him as an actor. Like, I fucking... I legitimately love that guy. I think he's so underrated. But... And he can do it. anything. To put him in a position like this.

Yeah. I mean, it honestly does kind of make me want to watch the movie more. It just, that, that is not what Gomez looks like. And anything that his family has ever done. Okay. Roll, Raul Julia, I thought he did an awesome job. I'm bison. He nailed it.

I thought he did a good job. Catherine Zeta Jones, great choice. I just love her. I don't care who she is in it. But yeah, I mean, I'm going to watch it. Mainly for Fasma, Wendling Christy. So I'll check it.

And it looks like Christina Ricci's in just about every episode. So yes, please. That's good. Brought up, Fasma. What is she? I don't know, but she's in seven episodes. Okay. I assume she's one of the teachers.

that's cool okay i guess that makes sense i always i always kind of wanted when they announced the show i always kind of wanted her to be morticia all right who that could work i know uh christina ritchie as morticia she's too short ritchie yeah i know they can do the orphan first killed they can fix that we're all over the place on this case i thought they got i thought they got some of good. Orphan first kill. Everybody could

just build huge huge furniture. Well, just imagine how Gwendolyn Christie would be if she was more than a her. Right. Yeah, she's a big woman.

Destroy her. Yeah, she is. Every night. I told her I loved her. I saw her. Death by Snoo, Snoo. I saw her at El Citi

Comic Con one year. Me and Theo were sitting in the front row at the panel when she got up. I said, I love you. She went thanks and walked out of my life. Oh, never to be seen me. Hey, wow.

Yeah, she's tall. She's tall, though. Oh, yeah. All right. She should have turned and winked and said, I know. Oh, there you go. I would have lost it right in my pants. Sorry, sorry, sorry, everyone. Wednesday.

Just in the pants. Wednesday coming in that. All right. What's prodigal son? That was the last thing she was in. Prodigal son. I don't even know. that is. Catherine Zeta

Jones I don't know what she's been. Sounds familiar. She's only she's only 53? Yes, please. Catherine Zeta Jones? Yeah, she was born in 69. I thought she'd been around longer than that. She'll be 54

next month. What has she been? She's been working. She was on some TV show last year. She's been working on giving Michael Douglas throat cancer. Something. You know, you know, you know, You know how that throat cancer is caused.

Oh, boy, yeah. Okay, so anyway. Wednesday. Squeezing the Nugs. Wednesday. Welcome. When does this been from here? I'm trying to get there.

Wednesday, it doesn't say fall 2020, 2022. That'll be a Patreon show. All right. Porn returns, it's going to be a Patreon show. You got pay. Have a pay for us. T-H-R after dark. Yeah, you got to pay to see the wild thing.

Wild thing. White Man Can't Hump, the spinoff to White Man Can't Jump. Patreon exclusives. You got to pay 100 and up for those episodes. Okay. Dude, White Man Can't Hump is a genius title. I love it. Well, it's, if it hasn't happened, it's happening.

We put it out in the universe. Yes, it's, it's, with Dane Don. Sex scenes happen. on the ball court. All right. Our final trailer isn't a trailer or a teaser. It's more of a first look of Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosity's. Ah, interesting.

This is an anthology of sinister stories is told by some of today's most revered horror creators, including the directors of the Babaduke, Splice, Mandy, and many, many more. Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Let me see if I can pull up all the directors involved. What was this one again? The Cabinet of Curiosity.

I like it. So what is Guillermo Dutoro doing in this one? He's James wanting it right now. Okay. So he's just producing everything? Yes. this is going less host less hope

this will be directed by Anna Lily Amapur Panos Cosmatopes Catherine Hardwick Jennifer Kent Vincenzo Natali Guillermo Not del Toro

Navarro David Pryor and Keith Thomas Damn it They tried to get you No Keith David is he doing the rod surling thing looks like it yeah looks like it yeah I'm watching it right now

let me see any notable actresses and actors that will pop up Sophia Betella Gina Davis let's see I like the look how's Gina Davis looking nowadays old It looked good an exorcist.

Didn't she pop up in glow? Porky, pretty. Oh, she did. I never watched glow aging. Yeah. How's hell of good. What happened to that? Yeah, this looks interesting.

Yeah, but we've been James Juan before. Okay. Andrew Lincoln was in the show. He's got to be doing something, huh? F. Murray, Abraham, Crispin Glover. Okay. some big names Rupert Grint, the

ginger hair kid from the Harry Potter. Oh, yeah. I just don't like him. He was in a black mirror, right? Hey, Ned. I think he was in a better one of the mirror. He was in here. Robocop. Robocop.

Yeah. Oh, that's Tim Blake Nelson. This can't lose. It's a lot of. Looks like a lot of good directors and a lot of good people on the cast. Now, are they each going to be film length? Are they going to be an hour long, or do we know yet?

You're asking wrong, man. I didn't do my own way on this. Anthology, I would assume probably an hour long and probably completely unrelated. Yeah, unrelated, since it's eight different directors, each episode, It will probably have its own feel to it style. Now, I mean, I'm cool with it. It sounds awesome on the surface. Yes, definitely.

But let's see how they execute it, right? It's just that, oh, here's a really big name who's producing it that makes me a little timid about it. You know what I mean? I mean, Gambo D'Otournal has done that before. like I can't remember whatever the last oh that fucking liarona bullshit that was he in love to that bullshit oh boy you know they're saying that's that's not part of the conjuring universe it is oh no

it was in two movies it is wow wow oh boy okay well Guy well Gierimo Datoro has done it four to. James Juan is really bad about it. Probably, no doubt some of these episodes will be good and some won't be, right? Yeah. Well, I'm... It doesn't have the directors, though, so I'll take it.

Right. This will have the del Toro feel to it because these are based off of short stories that he created. So he's like the writer. Writer, creator, original story, based on original story. and just didn't have time to direct it

I didn't have time to direct it I mean that's probably true I mean he's got a lot of shit on us played I'm sure yeah he's George RR.R. Martining it huh? Well he's he's always been that guy that every time I hear he has another project coming out. Yeah I know comes out like he was supposed to do

Hellboy 3 never happened That's right He was originally supposed to do Pacific Rim 2, didn't have time to do it, and somebody else did it, and that ended up being what it was. Okay. He was supposed to do the, what's the not Justice League, but the Justice League dark with the swamp, like all the dark supernatural characters. Oh, that would have been fantastic. Dropped out, well, not to Lance. Don't give up on it.

Don't give up on it yet. still might have well it sounds like he puts a lot of time and love into his stuff and there's only yeah you only get too much love to give huh do you guys remember when much you could do in a 24 hour period you guys remember when he was originally supposed to do the hobbit movies

and then he had to drop out no I I don't so he says yes to everything and then it doesn't throws him off later. I'm trying to see what was the last thing he

directed. Probably Pacific Rim, right? Oh, no. The Lady in the Water thing. Last year, no, last year it was up for an Oscar. It was a remake of an old black and white movie. Oh, Nightmare Alley? Yeah, there you go.

The movie was too fucking long. Wasn't that great? I don't think I saw that. I don't know what that is. You didn't, you didn't miss much. So he did that last year and then four years before that he did the shape of water shape of water there it is

and then before that it seems to be like two to four years between each project because he did Crimson Peak like two years before that okay the one with Loki in it let me see if

he has anything coming up directing wise man he's got so much potential oh he's doing that Don't know from Willem make him one of the greats yet. He's doing that animated Pinocchio movie that looks pretty good. Panocchio. That the one with, oh, animated.

Isn't that one supposed to come out with Tom Hanks? Yeah, Tom Hanks. Is he doing that one? Yeah, it's like this year's, volcano. When they have, like, two things come out the same year. Fucking, Oh, man.

Pinocchio. I wanted to be a real boy. We are off the rails officially. Now, that could be a job for Dane DeHan right there. That's the role he was born for. What? What? Craft services?

Huh? Craft services? Sure. Hold the boom, Mike. What do you want? want dame to do now. And you get peewee to do Pinocchio again. Did you guys see that one?

Peweewee Herman. Pewee Herman was Pinocchio. Bullshit. That his nose is growing. Eh? It was sometime in the good old ladies. He put it in a popcorn box and

in the movie theater and went to town, huh? Extra. Extra butter. Yeah, he was, he was Pinocchio. Dude, you're tripping. What are you talking about, Naz? You're out of your mind, dude.

Proving to me. Someone, some, I'm got him looking it up right now. Okay. Pinocchio. It was in the 80s. Peewee. Peewee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee,io. What's the magic word?

Ah. Right. I bet Tim Burton directed that one, too, huh? Oh man I think that was a fever dream Nazad guys No I think I remember Do you?

Fairy tale theory Fairytale theater 1984 Oh shit Fairytale theater 1984 I'm about to show you an image How do I find it?

That is definitely Pee We Herman I'm sending it to you guys right now Oh okay told you is it in an adult theater or is it him as pinocchio it's him as pinocchio you're the long nose and everything yeah the long part's on his face not somewhere else yeah oh there you go oh my god it looks like it could very well be on another part of his body and it's not there you go nuts that is nuts watch this one

there you go Jesus Christ it is PW holy fire guys PW I don't

I don't know if that's in a pro-reway to eat a banana he's deep-throating it man fairy tale theater huh it's on YouTube watch it it gets longer

it's on YouTube yeah I was I was just on my just watch app to see where it was if anywhere. Didn't it used to be like an HBO series or something like that?

It was either that or showtime. I can't remember. Oh, God. I actually kind of feel bad for Pee We Herman because, you know, had he lived in the internet age, well, I mean, you know, he's still around. But, like, had that been in the internet age,

he could have just gone to porn hub. Well, it's true. He was jerking off to where you're supposed to be jerking off. Yeah. Hey, this is supposed to be. $100 episode. It's just a shitty. Save all that.

For a kids show host to get caught doing that. We'll save the stuff. T-HR after dark coming soon. All right. Fair enough. Cabin of Curiosity's coming October 25th to Netflix. Okay.

And that is our long, long, long trailer park to art. I'll try it. I'm not expecting much, but... Not expecting much. Okay. No, I... If I go in... not expecting much and it's awesome, then great.

Okay. All right. Good attitude, man. All right. Listener feedback time. Hopefully I don't get killed in the middle of this podcast here. I don't think so, man. Twice already. This week, the podcast spotlight shines on Pretty Killer Podcast.

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Here's a sure way to extend that Friday feeling, so grab your drinks and let's go. Man. sign me up. That sounds pretty good. Way to go, Jordana. Pretty killer podcast, guys. I have no show notes. Lance did not like me this week. He did not send me no show notes.

Really? Yeah. That's fine. I get it. The headline is last week's show notes. It just has the new stuff on it. Okay. Maybe he did. Regarding Amityville 2.

Zim Vader says, I've never seen Amityville. What? But this is an enjoyable listen. The film sounds fucked up, so I can't decide if your review makes me more or less keen to finally check these out. And the fucked up stuff is not even the ghost shit. Yeah. It's going on with the family. I'm like, the fuck is happening.

Always is. Real people are way more interesting than ghosts. Regarding James Cameron's birthday, Lyle Huckins says, Happy Birthday. All right. Close some shit up. Stop making Avatar movies. Right?

Maybe. I don't know. We haven't seen the second one. I mean, he's been holding off on that one for a long time. Just imagine if he stayed with like aliens or Terminator and put that much love into those as he did Avatar. Right. Or even did that?

that sure sequel with Arnold well and I imagine it's because he didn't write Terminator right he did the second one but did he write it

okay I think he wrote it don't quote me yeah I don't we don't know horror but we also don't know sci-fi action either so I don't I'm not sure

there you go no he's trying to do his own thing you know did James Cameron write Terminator the no it was based off

of a a book. Okay. He might have done the screenplay. See, so I think with Avatar, he's trying to, like, write and create his own thing and, like, really make his mark and leave his stamp.

I guess so. It's just nothing that he's ever going to do is going to be as good as T2. But it's uncomfortable. I don't like it. I don't like the stuff they do. I don't like the stuff they do with the horses where they connect themselves, and it's weird. Yeah. Well, he's been waiting for

for the second avatar so that technology can increase and then it kind of didn't so kind of got worse right niz the book was written by randall freaks and william wisher jr. Okay, that's a Terminator yeah um what's the name probably did the screenplay Cameron Cameron yeah well I think you want something that's his own something to leave his historical mark because he's like almost there you know? Yeah you don't want to

you don't want to leave it off Titanic yeah yeah well he does a lot of like deep sea diving and shit too doesn't he? Yeah he's really he's really into the ocean then maybe he's in aliens

making other jobs just don't remake the first one right no we need an alien movie about underwater aliens. Yes. That would be a new idea. He wrote the screenplay. Him and Gail Ann Hurd wrote the screenplay for Terminator.

But it was based off of a book. All right. I'll take that. Let's see. Regarding the upcoming Saw movies, Invader says, I've never been so excited for disappointment. So excited for disappointment.

Is that what he said? Regarding Rokta Pussy? What is that? You read that correctly. I don't know what that is, but it sounds amazing. It's a new indie movie coming out. Not Indiana Jones, an independent movie.

Carrie Vickers says, okay, I'll bite. I bet she was. Is it a James Bond parody then? Or, like, is it a parody of Octopus? Let me try to pull it up. I thought the poster looked pretty cool. But rock to pussy, sign me here. Well, hey.

That's what Carrie Vickers says. Okay, I'll bite. Where can I find this one? Don't bite. The actual full title is Astonishing Tales of Terror, Rock to Pussy. A group of everyday heroes encounter

the fight of their lives in the deep minds of northern Ontario where they unwitting an ancient giant octopus. There's a band called rock. Is there? Yeah. All right.

Watch the teeth. Yeah. Regarding Amniville Thanksgiving. Are you serious? Yes. Carrie Vickers says Looks like trash. Regarding Rocky Horror Picture

Show, Willis Wheeler says never understood the appeal of that movie. Well, we did. We all loved it, I think. Yeah. I don't want to say love. Okay, well. I tolerate.

Come on, Brian. Admit it, Brian. Don't dream it. It's an experience to go to the Rocky Horror Picture show, you know, live plays that they do. You know what I mean? Like, those nights that they have. Brian, you know you want to bring out your inner cross- dresser, come on.

That's that's THR after dark with, let's keep that patron where's a bra over his head?

No, I think what I appreciate most is like what Philip was saying, the fandom that's behind it.

And I, I've never been to like a live showing, and I think it absolutely would be a hell of fun time

just to go. Yeah, big difference. I used to go almost every Saturday. A lot of fun. That's the only

way to see. because the movie's stupid. Right? I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not gonna argue with you on that either. Because it kind of is. It's, it's cool to be there, though. Yeah. It's cool to be there to experience it.

But to hammer throwing Rocky Horror, I'm sitting at home. No. I'd rather listen to the soundtrack if I'm at home. The, the music, I loved all the songs. All the songs were awesome, but I just, I couldn't get behind what it was. I experienced it, one of those midnight shows when I was in high school. One of my friends took me.

I didn't want to go, but she didn't want to go by herself. So I was like, all right. I remember you talking about that experience, man, on the show. It was fun. It was cool. I enjoyed it all, and I met a lot of cool people there, but as a movie as a whole, like I didn't care for it. So, I mean, the only way to watch it is to go experience it with the, with the crown.

Yeah, the midnight showings are better than the experience of just watching the movie, for sure. Sure. Because everybody was fucked up the whole time. Yeah, well, that has lots of it. I wasn't, I was Stone Cold sober. Really? I enjoyed it. You were the one.

You were the one. I was underage. I was a teenager. supposed to do drugs or drink. Oh, absolutely. No. She never did that. Never touched the stuff.

Never touched the stuff. No. Al Ramseur posted a picture of a mummy entombed. Said, God help me. I thought it was a cheese cake. Cheese steak.

Was this a late night post, Al? Probably. Is it the Scorpion King? The rock. He was just really high and got the munchies. Could be. Could be. Al Ramser also says day shift was good.

I just don't understand vampire rules. I understand that. They had some wonky rules in that one. Yeah. I definitely didn't understand the rules in daybreakers. That's for damn sure. Like one vampire burst into flames and fire, and the other one turns back into a human.

I just couldn't get past that. and they have the the little brother in day shift that was right uh the Frankl

yeah yeah yeah yeah who sort of explained the rules but then you had yeah yeah oh shit that's right we're not supposed to

well that was halfway through the movie yeah but uh but yeah there's still they're still not real clear on the rules

and I think a good classic monster movie has to have rules. I think they tried to put their own spin. Yeah. And they put Dave Franco in that scene to try to break everything down in like two minutes. Right. Which they probably could have spent a little bit more kind of getting this more familiar with this movie's universe when it comes to vampires. Yeah, but this wasn't like that kind of. movie. Yeah, you turn

you tune in for the action, especially when you find out the people are, the people making a movie are stunt people. Yeah. Yes, yes. They were like, all right, let's get past the potatoes and get back to the meat. Yeah, they

kind of did it the way Zambiland did, right? Yeah, they had just a little scene there where they explained what each kind is. Well, although Zambi lands sort of went through the rules over and over again, so that sort of makes more sense. Give me a day shift Netflix universe with spinoff movies. Give me one with the two brothers.

I think it might be coming. And they give me a Snoop Dog spin off. Oh, fuck. I guarantee you that's coming. I like those two brothers way more than I wanted to. Send them to me one. They were funny as hell. And I'm a good, man.

Right? That was a shocker when he came, when he popped in. Yeah, I did. I did not. Because he popped up. I was like, is that Scott Atkins? Because this guy looks like Scott Atkins. And he was doing this.

He was doing the undisputed accent. Yeah, he was. He was badass at it. Would you guys give it like sevens? That movie was a nine. I loved it. Nice. Okay.

It's pretty good, man. It's probably good. I don't know. I got a lot of movies in there. So we'll see. Yeah. All right. That's it for listening to be. They can't all be witchboard though, Ness. They can't all be. No, they cannot be.

Our show intro comes from Steve Carlton, from the geeks. And be on the lookout for more great stuff from Steve. Our artwork comes from, what is that? There it is. It ain't black Christmas. And it's signed. I'll accept which. I'll accept.

Witchboard other than the other one. Yeah. Yeah, I'll watch Witchboard more than I'll watch. Oh, hell, yeah. Even though I still like the chick that was in. What's her name? Stop it. Stop it. It is. Come on. What's the girl with the goofy name? What's her name?

Oh, Imogen Poops. Oh, there you go. Image and poop. I really like her. She's a good actress. Yeah. I'm looking forward to more of her. Since we're on a Black Christmas thing, I don't think none of the, it was the actors. It was the fucking story.

It was the writing of the story was gone. It wasn't the go listen to our latest anchor. Our latest anchor. We talked about it for a little bit. Mike didn't see it.

All right. We did 100 worst horror movies. It was something list. Yeah, whoever wrote that. No, that one didn't. The remake, the one that out in the early 2000s that made the list. I was like, that one was hell

good. And that was objects in it. I don't know who wrote that list. I mean, as far as Black Christmas stories, that one wasn't awful. My God, I don't get, I don't get that one, man. He didn't like the original. It wasn't the Black Christmas story.

It was something totally different that they just called Black Christmas. Yeah. The villain in the first remake was making Christmas cookies out of people's skin. Yeah. Gotta love that. That's fun.

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Oh my. This week we check out the Ghost in the Darkness and the brand new Edrus Elba movie Beast. This will be interesting. I'm curious to see what you guys think. Ghost in the Darkness is a

bridge engineer and an experienced old hunter begin a hunt for two lions after they start attacking local construction workers. Uh-oh. That's a problem. Yeah.

Director is Stephen Hopkins, also known for a Nightmare on Elm Street 5 and the TV show 24, which is fantastic. Uh, writer William Goldman, also known for the Princess Bride. Hey. There you go. Um, all the president's men and Butch Kassi and the Sun's Ants Kid. Holy shit. That's got some bonafides, man. Yeah, that's a fucking resume right there.

Only one scene uses an animatronic lion. All the other shots use real-life lions named Bongo and Caesar. And I know exactly what shot that was because it was. Because you get so much, not to get in the review real quick, but you get so much practical real lions in this. and then all of a sudden there was this quick shot of this clearly animatronic line and I was like what the fuck is happening that was the best part in the movie

right I mean it sticks out in your mind director Stephen Hopkins said about filming we had snake bites scorpion bites tick bite fever people getting hit by lightning floods torrential rains and lightning storms hippos chasing people through the water cars getting swept into the water and several deaths

of crew members including two drownings. Wow! That's fucking insane, man. So don't go to... Sounds like rest on steroids. God damn. Fucking revelations.

Val came to the set under the worst conditions imaginable and he was completely exhausted. exhausted from doing the island of Dr. Moreau. Talk about that one, too, on that list. He was dealing with the unfavorable publicity from that set, and he was going through a divorce that he barely had time to get his teeth into the role before we started filming,

and he is in nearly every scene in this movie, but I worked him six or seven days a week for four months, under really adverse conditions and he really came through. He had a passion for this film. There you go. Did this just say about Kilmer get his teeth

into... Yeah. What was the negative publicity from the island of Dr. Moreau? You ever watched the movie? It was garbage. The island of Dr. Moreau was garbage.

The remake was... The remake was... You need to watch the documentary. documentary about the making of it. Didn't they fire the director and he kept trying to sneak back? Yeah, he showed up in different scenes like, but in full costume. They didn't know it was him. He snuck into the movie.

See, that's fantastic, man. It's got lore. It's got Marlon Brando. It's got Val Kilmer. Oh, yeah. What's going to do with that? Let's see. All right.

Nez, you want to start us out? on Ghost in the Darkness. I know you said you hadn't watched it in a while. Do you remember anything about it at all? Just that best scene when that lion came in and attacked that lady. Right. That's the only part I remember. That was the fake, the animatronic lion.

You think? It looked like it. I'm watching that scene right now. Yeah, it did not look real at all. I liked that, from what I remember, remember? Right. Uh, what's his nuts? Um, Michael Douglas. He just looked like, um, how he did in, um, romance in the stone.

Yeah, you did. Right. He looked like that guy, Jack, whatever his name was. Um, yeah. Val Kilmer. Yeah, he, he is who he is. But I, I liked this, but when was this, uh, 96? I like the fact that it was real lions. So I thought that was really cool. I mean, obviously, You got to have the trainers and everybody. And I'm sure the heat was hell on everyone. But for what I remember, that's the only really part I remember. But I did like all the lions and all the stunts that they did in it.

So, but yeah, that's about as much as I can say. All right. Brian, what did you think? Ghosts in the darkness. I love this movie. I think it's shot well. I like the way. I like that they use real lions because there's plenty of.

scenes I remember watching this as younger. I don't even know remember how old I was, but I thought the lines looked terrifying. Especially when they had the blood and just the drool, just dripping from their mouths. And, um, Val Kilmer, I liked

him in this one, you know. He, he came in cocky, you know. He had the reputation of like he doesn't, he always meets his deadline when it comes to whatever project he's doing. And right. When this line situation came up, the first one, He was just like, what does he always say in a movie?

I'll sort it out. Okay. And, yeah, he just kind of gets overconfident and two more lines show up. And I like that this is a, it's a fictional story, but it's actually based off a real, real situation that happened in Uganda when they were trying to build a railroad. So I like that it's based off of a real situation. I like the supporting cast. we don't get Michael Douglas until halfway the movie's done

and he pops in. Sure. Yeah, I was surprised. Maybe more than that. Yeah, probably is. And then he fucking dies in it. Spoiler. Spoiler! That I didn't care for... I didn't see that one coming. He wasn't in the movie as much

and he's top build and they built his character as this guy you bring in for this situation and then he gets an off-screen death. I mean, I like, I like to when they, because they didn't show his body, but they showed the grass how there was just blood everywhere within like 15 feet away from the body, just sprayed everywhere. Kind of would have wanted to see that. I would like to see him, his character go out in more of a fight the way they built him up instead of just getting snatched in his sleep. Okay.

What more can I say? I did like the conflict with the people. You know, he's trying to convince them. You know, trust me, you know, I'll fix it. As he keeps saying in the movie, I'll sort it out. And, you know, they're like, no, fuck this. This shit started when you got here. We're gone, you know.

And he's trying to play mind games with the one guy talking about, you know, I'll stay here, even if you weren't too scared to. And the guy's still like, no, fuck that. Lions are here. Right. But I think the action was pretty good. The story was pretty good. There was a lot of beautiful shots and, yeah, real lines.

Except for the animatronic or... I think, Nez, I think the scene you were talking about, I think that's the CGI line. No way. Unless they actually threw an animatronic line at that lady. It didn't look like CGI, but I don't know. If it was, it was early, early. We got to put that up on the Facebook group page, man.

I know. The hospital massacre scene was ruthless. Right. They were just getting butchered left and right. I like how the lions didn't even go for the fact that they built a new hospital and tried to lure them into the old one, and they just went to the new one and just killed everybody. Smart lions. I would like to see Val Kilmer's video footage of what he shot.

they were making this movie. Because he filmed everything. Yeah, he films everything. Okay. Did you watch Val, that documentary? I can't. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, he filmed everything.

He's got all kinds of footage of just about every movie it was in. Yeah. I sent me to watch it. Brian, you watched it, though, right? No, it just makes me feel sad. Yeah, it was depressing, but it was good. Just I like that he showed up in Top Gunn, but at the same time it was depressing.

It was tough, yeah. Oh, my God, I cried my eyes out. Yeah, too close to home, man, too real. Oh. You know, I was just not to get off subject, but, you know, he's always texting Maverick, and then you find out there's a reason why he's always texting him, and I'm just like, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Ness. Yeah, oh, man, I saw that movie Helltimes in the theater. Oh, I. I know you liked it a lot more than the original, that's for sure. They were way better than the original. They're casting all kinds of people in movies now. I think that with his issues going on, I think that he could still work.

You know, like I, I'm, I'm sure we'll see him some more. And I don't know. One movie where he didn't talk. Yeah. And I don't care that that one guy should be Johnny Storm. and the Fantastic Four. Which one? The asshole cadet or whatever.

Oh, the cocky one. Yeah. Okay. Michael B. Jordan? I wouldn't mind if he came back. No. I wouldn't mind if he came back, but then there would be just too many memories of the one he was in.

Yeah. Yeah. They said that one killed the franchise. Bring back Cape Mara and her wig. Lord. All right. Lance. He could be, he could come back.

I'm not goose. Rooster. He was. Oh, yeah, he wasn't. Yeah, Rooster was Mr. Fantastic. Okay, that's right. You guys want to do real casting, bring back the boy who could fly from the Roger Corny. You think so?

As Johnny Storm. They got to play Allison Chain song when Rooster pops. well you can fly you can't kill the you don't remember that movie with Fred Savage and yeah I don't know

what is that you didn't see that the boy that can fly you never saw on that Roger Corman directed it the fantastic I don't even know

what movie we're talking about now you're talking about boy can fly or Roger Corman's fantastic four oh I thought Roger Corman directed the boy that could fly

I thought that's what you were that would have been a totally different movie All right, we're getting off on the table. I'm lost. That movie's good. You guys haven't seen it, check it out. The boy you could fly, 1986.

Top Gun, and they're flying. Oh, is that not? Man. Never mind. No, I'll agree with Brian. Michael Myers. Michael Myers, Nick Castle, he wrote the boy you can fly and directed.

right. Yeah. Michael Myers wrote and directed this movie. All right. The original age story. The original Michael Myers.

Co-starring a young Fred Savage. Jesus Christ. Before, Fred Savage fan, people told me I looked like him from the second I was growing up. I don't know. Fred Savage is some

some hot water. Yeah, you don't want to look like him now. Is he? Yeah. multiple allegations. Yeah, touching people. Oh, boy. Can't keep his hands to himself.

That's what happens when you grow up in Hollywood, ladies and gentlemen. Same thing with Gary Busey. He's touching people at Kahn. Not Gary Bucce? Yeah. That guy said he ain't so. Does he know? Does he know he's doing it?

I don't know. I know. That's the problem. He's, um... I got to find a magic box. Ha! He's been charged with sexual offenses at a New Jersey fan convention this month. Oh.

Yeah, it gave you 78. That's sad. That's sad. What the fuck. All right. Let's get back to the movie, guys. I've got to put my two cents in. I don't have as much to say as you guys.

Yeah. No, Brian. Brian's ride. I mean, it was filmed very well, but other, to me, the only exciting scene in the, in the movie really was, was turned it out to be a fucking dream sequence. And it was the animatronic or CGI line attack that looks so fucking so out of left field. But I don't know, man, this, this movie bored the hell out of me. And you guys were talking about, I'm sorry, man, it did. It bored the hell out of me. And you guys were talking about Michael Doug. The only only, only, only, only, only, person I could see every time I looked at him was fucking kid rock. I thought he looked exactly like fucking kid rock with the hat and the hair and all that bullshit.

But I wish I'd got more out of this movie because obviously it was written by someone super talented. It was directed by someone super talented. It had a lot of really big names in it. I mean, all the performances were fine. There was nothing wrong

with any of the performance. Although Michael Douglass... Get Black Panther's father in this one. Yeah, I recognized him immediately. I thought that was pretty cool, but I wasn't a huge fan of this one, guys. I just thought it was very slow moving. Maybe it was just the time of night I was watching it or something,

but I don't want to use that excuse. I mean, it just, it bored me. I didn't get a whole lot out of this one. It was enjoyable. It was a decent movie, but it's not one that I'm going to go back to anytime soon. Yeah, you know what? I'm kind of there

with you. It was like I remember watching this one when it first came out and I... And yeah, and the off-screen deaths and all that shit. I mean, come on. I remember... They were using real lions. You can't. Well, then show me, they already said a bunch of people died on set. Go ahead and throw a few more heads.

I'm not from lions. It would have shut the whole thing down. It would have made it more exciting. It would have made it more exciting. Fuck. We would have been watching a movie. We'd be reviewing the documentary of the making of the movie. Like the Twilight Zone helicopter. Maybe that's what they should have made instead.

Oh. Maybe. Yeah. That stuff's burned in my head. Yeah, this show's going downhill, guys. Sorry. I remember it being good. right yeah when you were a kid you thought it was awesome right but still is but nothing really special

and then after rewatching it again it's uh kind of i like it's good it's got some good aspects you know it's like a pinocchio val Kilmer and michael douglas man how can you fucking go wrong I was Pinocchio Mario. Douglas did, you know what? He did kind of hammed up a little too much for me, man. Yeah. Now that I look back, his performance to me wasn't that great. It was a little over the top.

Little Han-y. Michael Douglas can be a little-old-old-kid rock to me. I just thought he was going to start saying. I swear to God, I thought he was going to yell at the screen to say, don't tell me to wear a fucking mask, motherfucker, you know, I mean. That's not the kid rock. I've seen at Somerslam.

So hard. Is that a thing that Kid Rock does? He's got a fucking video where he says, fuck you, Foussey. Fuck you, Dr. Foussey. Oh. Kid Rock is garbage now. He's a good. You know what? That just makes me have more estate for. Was he where? He was good. Come on. Really? His first three albums were good. After that, he just went downhill. He's garbage. He doesn't know what he wants to be, man. He's like one album. I guess that's, you know, cool in a way, right?

He keeps reinventing himself. I liked it when he was telling everyone to stuff his balls in their mouths and shit like that. I like the first cut up like albums. You know, like cowboys. When he was the devil without a cause, he's going platinum. Yeah, I love that. Before Super Bowl, Kid Rock. There you go.

That's a dumb country. Want to be country, kid rock. Wanted to be country. Yeah, I got you. But I did like him when he was making out with trailer trash Tammy at a SummerSlam. I applaud you, Kid Rock. I'd make that. I don't see Michael Douglas dressing up as Kid Rock because I don't know.

He looked like Jack Colton from Romance in the Stone. Yeah, that's what I saw. No, I hear you, man. I'm sorry. He filmed that movie, then he filmed this movie, then he went and did Jewel the Nile right after. I know. He went on his little mini-a-old mini-a-old kid rock-lish. Kid Rock years.

But yeah, no, I mean, for me, this movie is kind of forgettable. Like, it's really good to watch once. And, like, the whole time I was watching it this time, I was sort of distracted. It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. It's not a bad movie for sure. But it's also not one of the greats. You know, it's not something you're going to remember.

Like, when I knew that we were. re-watching this one, and I turned it on. I was like, this is sort of a chore. Instead of, oh, man, this is a movie I really want to watch. You know what I mean? He nailed it. That was exactly my feeling. I was like, oh, how much time is left?

Oh, fuck, man. I could be watching that next Strange New World's episode. Fuck. But, yeah, so, I mean, good, solid movie. It's kind of a classic. It just I really don't I just watched it

I don't really remember a whole lot that happened it's one of those I got you yeah it's sort of midgrade for me and I like Val Kilmer and I like Michael Douglas

of course who doesn't right I mean if you're going to get throat cancer from Catherine Zeta Jones god damn it I respect you this was pre-throat cancer Michael Douglas yeah

As far as we know, right? He's getting throat cancer from Kathleen Turner. There you go. I don't care. I like Kathleen Turner. The ghost in the darkness, that's just... Speaking of my... I just rewatch that one movie they were in...

What was it? The War of the Roses or whatever. Yeah, that was... They were beating the shit out of each other. Right. Started blowing them. A movie was A good

Fantastic movie It started beat the shit out of each other And then he started You know what I'm not even going to And then blowing each other So it's a great movie about love And marriage

Yeah It's a trap everyone And blowing each other In the middle And shit out of each other All right She did Uh

Let's see scores Nez You want to give a score On this one For what I remember I mean, I did appreciate what it was in cinematography, but I don't really remember the film, but I'll be in the middle. I'll give it a six.

Okay. Yeah, okay. All right. Sounds reasonable. Brian? This, to me, is an easy seven. Just what they did with the lions. Lance, they couldn't have gotten away with actually filming death scenes with real lions.

Or they'd be actually filming death scenes. But they did. It would be a classic. It would be a classic. Val Kilmer, I liked him in this. I like no matter how dirty he got, those teeth were just pearly white. Right. Yeah.

Early white. I didn't mind Michael Douglas hamming it up. I kind of felt like that was just his character. Right. It was just kind of the over-the-top hunter that they brought in. That's what he does, man. He's in Anthony Hopkins. Gene Hackman guy to me

where like if he shows up in anything it doesn't matter what he's doing it's going to be awesome right I can buy that I can buy that yeah so this is an easy 7 for me all right Lance

4 out of 10 no 4 and a half 4 and a half 4 and it was well filmed and like I said good performance from Kulmer so it deserves a and a half. It's almost right there

in the dead center. Yeah, I'm going to bring it back up to six a little bit. Nice. Four out of ten. Great performance. Huh? Great well shot.

Four out of ten. Every movie can't be ten on ten despite what Nez thinks, okay? Well, six. But you kind of have to have reasons for it. And so in this one, like my reason for giving it as six

is because I think that it... I think that it is a good, solid movie that... There you go. Everybody should probably watch once. But... Okay.

I don't necessarily want to watch it twice. Yeah, I don't consider it a must watch. Let's put it that way. Yeah. It's not a classic. That cemetery. Head Cemetery remake. True. Watch the original.

But yeah, that's it for me. All right, cool. Good, good, solid watch if you've never seen it before. Yeah, I get you. It was good enough for what it was, but it's nothing you'll re-watch. Yeah, it's not super memorable. It's not like, oh, my God, that movie was so amazing. I need to watch it again.

It's not the exorcist. It does not get the hell of good stamp. Yeah. Nope. Let's see. We'll move on to Beasts. See if it can beat it. A father and his two teenage daughters find themselves hunted by a massive rogue lion intent on proving that the Savannah has but one apex predator.

And that's him. Oh, wow. Okay. Director is Baltasar Kormakur also known also known for

two guns and Everest Not bad movies I don't know what you're A lot of action Two guns with Mark Wahlberg and Denzel Oh they're shooting back to back Okay

Some fart jokes in there from Mark Walberg Right writers are Ryan Engel and Jamie Premack Sullivan released in the same year as another movie titled Beast

an Indian action action comedy film which I saw a preview to 15 fucking times before this movie started Okay It's of the Beast

Well, that's a terrible Indian accent. This is how that was. Calm down. Calm down over there. In 2015, Edris Elba broke a UK land speed record that had originally been set in

1927 by reaching 180. 38.361 miles per hour while driving along Wales, Pendine Sands Beach and Bentley Continental GT speed. God damn

Well that's a random That has nothing That's cool What I was just saying What do we started to do with a movie Yeah Ideselva He's at a land speed record

He's a badass Is that trivia for Beast? I don't know It's all I could find He also Since we're Okay He also trained as a

Muay kickboxer And filmed it as a No shit No way And the final Finale of the show was he fought in his first pro fight and he won. Yeah. That has nothing to do with Beast.

That's good. That's good trivia to you, man. No kidding. Bad ass. Sign me up. Idris Alba is also a professional DJ. Yeah. Yeah, that's what he got started doing, right?

Since we're doing trivia, that has nothing to do a beast. Right? I would fight Idrisalba. Oh, come on. No, I totally would. Just to say you've done it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he'd probably kick my ass, but I would fight him.

All right. Although I'm younger than him. He's pretty far out. He's in his 50s, isn't he? Yeah, it got to be, right? He's been around for a while. I think I could give him a run for his money. All right.

Oh, shit, Idris. Edrus, if you're listening, ladies and gentlemen, my boys and gentlemen. girls. But we can't just be a boy type fine? I have to be able to take you down. If I can throw some Brazilian jitsu at your ass, then we'll have a,

we'll have a fight. You said he's not quite in his 50s, Nez? He'll be 50 in two weeks. He's 50. That's September 6th. It's been around a while. I've seen him.

I thought he was older than me. I'm older than him. I whoop his ass. He gets back to the days of the watch. I'm still trying to get through that show. It's a good show, man. Yeah, I think I watched like the first season. I watched the first season.

I got hung up on the second one because that's the boring one. They say you got to get through. Oh, that's the one that's pretty much nothing to do with anything. Yeah. Right. But if you get past that one, it goes uphill all the way from there. Because that was one of my things, man. I tried to watch the wire because everybody says it's the most amazing show on TV.

ever. I tried to watch it in like the first couple of seasons and I sort of got bored and moved off. We'll pick up on it again, Nez. All right. Nez, what did you think about peace? Oh boy. CGI Lions. I didn't like it. Nothing against everyone in it. Idris is always good. The

two little daughters that I thought they were good. what's his name? Murdoch and 18 Charlott Toe He got an ass whoopin If it was He is who he is He plays the same role

In every movie he's in But I don't know This kind of just fell off For me I didn't It was the CGI It was like

Lion King Part 2 Yeah The live action one No Scar is attacking It wasn't that bad Brian right wait like the animated movie or the no the live action or

those lines the lion the lion king lines and those had dead soulless eyes right at least this line he didn't look like he wanted to kill somebody I didn't like it seemed like there was like minimal lions in this it was pretty far-fetched wasn't it niz I was that a rogue line mess with me like that didn't I mean they acted like Lions. The CGI didn't bother me either. I want to see

the making of this. I want to know. Want to see Idris wrestling with a guy? Yeah, I want to see some wrestling somebody with a green suit on and see what they did. Well, when we get into spoilers. Well, that's one that we'll talk about, because I have some things to say about that, too. I don't think it was necessarily super fake.

I think that that's how fucking... You ever seen a cat get a hold of a mouse? yeah i don't know it was taking me uh the rivet the revenant the leo that's cg i too but um ron tomatoes gave it a 68 and the audience gave it a 75

not bad not bad um the acting was good when it when the lions weren't in it i liked the dread of it all and i don't know if they could have survived in that car all night because it with the the heat that they were dealing because they were complaining about the heat like as soon as they got off the plane

right oh my god it's so hot and yeah but it gets way less hot it doesn't it's dark I don't know my buddy's from from this area and he said it's hot year round and that got hot all the time yeah

it can't be a hundred degrees in the middle of night oh I don't know but I don't know I just this movie it was all right I mean again I liked everybody in it I thought the two little daughters I thought they did their parts. But I don't know. Maybe I just, I don't know.

I wasn't really feeling it when we saw the trailers for the first time. So this was a film that I wasn't really like, oh, I got to see that it's going to be awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it was what it was. Okay. I like Idris, though. He's good and everything.

Of course. Sure. I still want to fight him. All right. Brian? Set that up as soon as we can. I 100% will absolutely do it. Sign up for our Patreon.

The Canadian man or eat your heart out. That one's Patreon exclusive. Okay. Yeah, I would say so. Sounds first, but we'll get back there. No holds barred kickboxer Van Damme style with the fist wrapped up with the broken glass. Wow. All right.

Beast. All right, but I have to be able to take him to the ground. Oh, it's a kickboxing thing. He's going to kick my ass. It's full contact, wherever you want to take it. All right. Uh-oh. No rules.

As far as I know, Idris only trained on his feet, not on the ground. So. All right, Beast. I do agree the, the CGI was a little wonky, but it wasn't to the point where it took me out. I thought, uh, okay. I thought the, I thought the, pacing was pretty good. They gave you in the beginning. They gave you a reason why

the lion went rogue. We'll talk about that in spoiler. Then it jumps to Idris and his two daughters going to Africa. They let you know why they're going. They kind of gave you a little conflict between him and

not necessarily both daughters, mostly with the older daughter. They kind of, you know, got all that in there. And then you kind of move into all the lion stuff. And I thought the pacing was pretty good. I think, Lance, I think the line stuff you wanted in the ghosts in the darkness

is what you got here. I think so. But if you would have got that with the real lines, did we be talking about how it just passed away in the filming of this? And I think with the wonky CGI is one thing, but I think

I agree with what Phillips said, how I think they moved like lines move. and I just I kind of dug it I took my daughter and she was into it she hated the oldest daughter

she hated her 100% I got this too man I was like can this bitch just listen for 10 seconds yeah what was there I mean it's how some kids are it's weird because at one point I was kind of understanding where she was coming from

and then she would take it to a place that I'm like okay step back and pitch your ass down, you know. Right. Okay, there's a giant lion coming at us. We're about to fucking die.

I need you to listen to what I'm saying. But dad, but dad, no kidding. But dad, my iPhone's not working. If you don't just sit here and wait. But with all that being said, I came to see

some lion attacks, and I got that in this. and for the most part I wasn't bored I had a good time watching it could they have did better on the CGI of course but you know this they don't have Disney money you know

if this was a 200 million dollar Disney you know we we get the soulless looking Lion King lines that look real but you know well you know it's kind of like the orphan thing you know after I got after I I got over it, I just kind of went with it.

You're maybe getting Josh Brolin playing the line or something, if it was a Marvel movie. He might destroy Idris. Lance, what did you think? I think this movie was actually kind of just what I needed at the time that I saw it. I had a lot of fun.

I wasn't taken out at all by the CGI. I could tell that it was CGI Nes, but I thought it was good CGI. I thought that it was, again, the movements of the lines were realistic. Yeah, that's not a thing that I stopped and thought about. Yeah, me neither. Yeah, it never took me out of it. It was super well-paced, man.

It's almost like... $36 million budget from Universal who puts out movies that are $200-plus million. Yeah, ain't bad. Yeah, I think they... I think it did what it set out to do, because, like, you know, I'm watching the movie, and all of a sudden the movie's over with. And I'm like, holy fuck, that thing went quick. You know, it wasn't like the one that goes to the darkness.

We had to slog through and keep looking at our watch. Hey, that was a good movie. But one thing that AJ went to sit with me, one thing she complained, she said, well, there wasn't enough story. There wasn't enough family dynamic and family drama and explanation. That's how it was. That's not what I wanted. Yeah, no, there was plenty of that. There was just enough.

I mean, and they didn't huge enough. They bought family drama and just threw lions in it. It was. It was. Yeah, but they got a lot of great, you know, line action scenes, which is what I went to the movie to see. So I got everything I wanted out of this movie. I really did. I really enjoyed it.

I had a fun time at the theater, man. I got more out of that one. We got that. I got more out of that movie with the girl with the big thumbs. Okay. What was that movie, Brian? Oh, everything. Oh, Rogue.

Rogue. I got more than that. You know, there was a point where I was everywhere all at once with a hot dog fingers. Is that what you're? I was doing something. I was doing something and I think I was like reaching for my popcorn.

Right. And then they said the line went rogue and I popped my head up. I was like, what? Megam Fox? What's going on? Oh, that movie. God damn it. Oh. The only I get it. All right.

The only, the only complaint, I guess, or whatever I had about this movie is that from the way that it first started and the way that they filmed it, I really, really wish, and I guess that I've been, I guess I've been spoiled

by having the Oculus, but I really wish this had been like an immersive 360-degree thing, right? That would have been. How fucking awesome would it have been if you look over on this side to the car and the fucking lines coming at you? Yeah.

When you thought he was over on this side and shit like that. Or at the same time, the lines jumping on you, your granddaughter jumps on you at the same time? I think that would if I can give me a heart attack man No this would have been the perfect Punch in the face

I heard they're going to start making some movies Just for Oculus and this would have been a great one I've been kind of waiting for that Because I think that they totally should Because like a movie in VR Once VR gets to the point to where like Every team has it It's very close

Yeah it's real close and I think that would be a really awesome movie experience and I think that's the kind of shit that What's his nut was waiting on for Avatar too Cameron, yeah Well, they've got some great national... If you'll go to YouTube, go to YouTube and go to the 360 section,

they got some great National Geographic stuff. Yeah? Like, you're in the middle of a safari and a Jeep and you see all the gazelles running to your left and you see zebras running and stuff like that. It's kind of fucking amazing. You ever do the parasailing one?

This would have been a great movie for that. Parasailing. You ever do parapheraling with the Oculus? Yeah. Yeah, that sounds fun. All right, I'll check it out. But, no, I had fun. I had fun watching it.

Yeah, I think I had a pretty good time at this one, too. And mostly because it was only going to hour and a half, man. They cut out all the bullshit out of this movie. Perfectly paced. It was like a good intro and set up, problem

dealing with issue till the end of the movie and then it was done. There wasn't a whole lot of downtime. I mean, with the exception of the very beginning when they're just kind of setting shit up

and that wasn't too super distracting and the rest of it is just kind of action the whole time and uh eidersel was awesome love that guy um his daughter's about pissed me off but they made sense

for real people and I like that he's a doctor yeah he's not like a former Navy SEALs operative or he just happens to be a fucking line tamer or something his fucking doctor.

Like the rock and that one movie. Well, and they had some some scenes where they emphasized that a little bit, which is nice to have because otherwise he could have been fucking anybody.

But it made sense that he was a doctor. There's definitely some decisions in this movie that I disagree with where I'm like, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? People alert? Yeah, I mean, but you know, you're going to end up with that in, in, and, in most movies. The problem is when it comes down to like life altering, there's a lion after me and we're going to fucking die if I don't do the right thing here.

He's like, oh, well, let's stop for a drink or whatever, you know? Um, but no, I, I, I, I enjoyed this one probably more than, Ghost in the Darkness just because it got to the point and it stayed there. And I enjoy it. It was better than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, same here.

I wasn't expecting much. Yeah. All right. Let's go scores and then we'll hit spoilers. Nez, what do you think? I'll give it a four. Four on ten. I don't think I've ever

I don't know if I ever heard you say four. I know. I think I have. It was like years ago or something. I think so once. Which four two or something? I don't know. I said,

hell of okay. Which board? Which board two is I had in this one? Brian. We talked about the CGI thing. But I think, even though when you hear like 36 million, dollars you know that's a fucking lot of money to you know regular people but in movie standards

that's that's a small budget so i'm like okay i got over the the wonky cg i it was i can't say wonky it wasn't to the point where it took me out of it you know what for 36 million dollars they can blow me up and just give them yes my family oh god damn phil it was dark i thought they set up the family drama really quick for me and then moved on to what I wanted to see really fast appreciated that and I think for a movie that's about

what 90 minutes around there yeah right at an hour of hand pacing was good and got some that that line had a body count higher than most recent horror films we've seen so Took out villages.

Yes. Yeah. It's all in the trailer, everyone. Well, and that's kind of what I liked about it a little bit, is that, I mean, I know the lion had a body count. And at one point in the movie, I really wanted him to be like, oh, okay, well, I'm just going to kill the bad guys. But it's a fucking animal. Yeah, it's a line, man. What animals do.

Yeah, they gave. They went with that through the whole movie. Animals are doing what animals do. Yeah, they gave you a reason why the lion was doing what it was doing, but it wasn't like singling anybody out. It was like, oh, you're here. Oh, you're a person. I'm just going to fucking kill you.

Yeah, you were probably here when all that shit happened that made me go rogue. So I'm just murder you and you and you and you, you know. Kind of the same way we see. when there's a fucking cockroach in the house, you know? Yeah, for sure. What the fuck are you doing here? I'm fixing to kill you. Right.

So with all that being said, I think seven. Nice. Okay. Lance, what do you think? I'm also a seven. I'm also a strong seven. Fun, fun time at the movies. Yeah, I think I was a little generous maybe even when I

gave a ghost in the darkness a six and probably going to get hate for saying that. But this one I think was better, man. I think I'm going to give it a seven. I was a, it was a pretty good time with the baby. Yeah. There you go. We need like slap machine sound effect since it's three seven. Right.

Oh, only, only Nes brought us down, man. God damn it. But hey, the good news is there's not really, there's not too much to spoil in this, right? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. Because I mean, you know what it is, right? Are we in spoilers? Yes, spoilers now. Okay. I like that we got all the family stuff out of the way. I do too. I most like that we got the reason for the lion going rogue

is that we had poachers. Yeah. Kill the entire pride, which is the pack, what they call the pack of lions. And they didn't get this one lion. And the lion was just basically killing anybody that was in that territory. Right. Which makes sense. Yeah.

He went all John Wicks on him. And it was just Idris and his family were there visiting their, his wife that had passed, visiting the village she came from, taking his daughters to see where their mother's from and it just happened to be in that territory of this lion that these poachers killed its entire pride and I thought it was just a good setup on why the line was just going crazy. Yeah. And then when they did set up the pride at the beginning with the lions who were released into captivity, which don't get me wrong, I love the scene where the lion came up and hug the guy and you know both of them are just sort of nesling and like yeah i was like that's

fucking cool but it's it made me happy you're your stupid man anyways yeah i must have i didn't buy that you're like the guys in Vegas what were they called sigfried and Freud well yeah but i mean it happens i mean i like you right there's there's real videos of you know guys who have released lions into the wild and then they not beat them and then lions are giving them and big hugs that look just like that. Even with that, I like there was still boundaries. Yeah, right. They were nuzzling.

Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's seen the female lion hurt and he tried to walk to it. And the lion kind of ran by him and bumped him like, no, it gets fuck out of here. Yep. Yeah. Made sense.

I didn't buy it. Oh, yeah. At least one. But that's what I'm saying. It's still animal instinct stuff. You know what I mean? Like even if it's- This was the real Lion King going on here. not that live action movie.

Not the dead eyes, right? Like, even if they've built a relationship with that human, he starts fucking with the, you know, lion's pride. And they're like, hey, you're going to have to get the fuck out of here. And then human is smart enough to go, oh, all right,

that's a, that's the bad look. I'm going to go. Yeah, he was smart enough to do that. Yeah. So I think that worked. I liked the guy who played the uncle. Charlottow.

Yeah, although I'm not. Uncle Martin. Is that a real thing, by the way? Anti-pochers? Is that a real thing or what? I've read something about they actually, allegedly, they killed poachers.

Okay. They don't, I don't think they set out. they just had a story about that they killed uh poachers yeah i don't think they set out to kill poachers but if they have to they will right they were killing poachers and hunters so i don't know some white guys went out there and uh the locals got them right i was all for that so i mean

yeah i never know how much that shit is real because like you know from what you see in the movies it's like poachers are all super bad guys and I mean, I assume that they probably are. That's definitely a bad thing to be doing. But are they, like, going to just fucking murder somebody? There's not a well. I guess different countries got different rules. I mean, they kind of made these poachers look like they were fucking mercenaries and shit.

That's what I'm so. Well, that's what most movies do. You know what I mean? Like, it makes them look like they're the cartel. Right. Like, I would make a movie about people. around here in the woods killing bears right and I make a movie where I'm out there killing the people that are trying to kill the bears co-star in Megan Fox in

her Navy SEALs outfit yeah and makeup never ran every time even though there's a big explosion next to her she wasn't dirty or anything no in the makeup is perfect well that's her thing she's got to be hot you take away the hot sure what does she have yeah and put a gun in there she got she goes hot over that gun hands. All right. What else with the movie real quick? I did like to set up for when he,

it totally, you've seen it coming, but the whole setup that he was going to lead the Rogue Island to the other pride because they totally set up the fact that another line comes, they'll kill it or die trying. Oh, okay, okay.

I was just kind of like, so what point of the movie are we going to come back to this other pride in the last two minutes 11 year old son leaned over I think it was I think he waited until they got back to the school and he's like he's gonna lead that lion into the pride and they're gonna kill him I'm like yeah I've been thinking that for like half an hour even though that happened I will say it really felt like that's not what he meant to do really yeah that's true he was just leading the the line away from his daughters and oh we just happen to be a buy over here so yeah i don't know it seemed like he it seemed like that was his plan i mean the daughters were like we can't believe you did that for us you led them to the other pride and he was like yes anything saved you and i was like that wasn't your fucking plan that's exactly what i did he should have died he definitely no shit he definitely got ripped the fuck up didn't he yeah he should have died stop at the fucking school to begin with

to get some bandages in water. To get some bandages in water, he could have driven another hour to wherever else an actual city is. That's what you do in a movie. They said they were miles away from the next city, though, right? Yeah. How many? 20, 30? I don't know.

You didn't see anything around. It was like nothing around there when they're out in the bush. They would have eventually ran into the one guy, Charlottos buddy, because he came not too shortly after, so they eventually would have ran into somebody on the road. I mean, you're going to have to get taken to the hospital eventually anyway. There obviously wasn't one right beside that school. Yeah.

I don't know lions, but I'm sure they bite you right in the neck, if anything. They go for killing killing points when they bite you It was not killing points. I was like, I didn't like that. I didn't like the ending.

That's where I was going. Like you would think that, but if you've ever seen a cat kill anything, they don't just fucking kill it. They grab it and they throw it around and they play with it first, which is kind of what was happening with him. Like, I mean, you could tell.

He was playing with his food, Des. Yeah. You could tell when he was getting, like, stuck with the claws and rolled over or whatever. You guys are missing the point. No, but he's just getting pushed. No, but this lion just, it's Idris. This lion just murdered whole villages. He, okay, whole villages get murdered.

Charito Copley gets bitten to his leg where he's bleeding out, bleeding to death. Even the daughter had a life-threatening wound to her side, but you can't kill Idris. it just has no killing points on his body he's a robot he's a supercomputer remember yeah he mauled him for all those transformer things to come flying in right that's what I was thinking he's a he's blood sport from suicide squad he can't be killed yeah definitely the wounds were a little minor for going through

the malling that he went through but uh but the line had just just been singed a little bit in that fire, so. No, that was bullshit. That line was in the truck when it exploded. And it came out.

Bullshit. That's, had basically a haircut. Yeah. It still had the full maintenance. It was just part of it was black. Michael Myers line. But I did like when all those other lines came in and

tore them up. I thought that was, that was cool. I wish that we could have seen it, though. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of just here it. It's like they just piled on them and then instead of just having Idris, like, hear it

and blacking out. We got what we needed that. I did again, though, back to like animal, like real animal stuff. I did like it when they were attacking him. And it was like one of them would attack and draw his attention and the other one would go around and bite from behind. Yes.

Because that's just that real animals do, you know. And but yeah Had they continued on with that and let him Rip them to bits I probably would have been a little better And at least given it a fucking legitimate R rating Right Because I don't know why this movie was rated R

But yeah I took I took my kids to it They seemed to enjoy it EG 13 would have been fine right I think so From what A couple of gashes in your leg or whatever. That's like your goryness. Like, let's get realistic on what we expect from PG-13 versus R-rated movies, right?

Did your theater laugh when Idris was like, your sister just trink that line in the ass? Maybe it a little bit. I got to chuckle out of it. No, because there was two people in there. I, myself, had four other people. Our theater wasn't packed. We had about seven or eight people in there.

Yeah, this movie's not going to make a ton of money. I watched it this way. Okay, well, look, on that note, you guys ready, done for the night. Yeah. We talked enough about, we dragged these through the mud enough, Nez. I mean, don't, I mean, this is a film to see on the big screen. Yeah, for sure, right? As far as the cinematography and everything and the awesomeness that is Africa,

did they film this there or did they film it somewhere else? It looked like Africa. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. But from minus the CGI and everything, I mean, I thought it was shot beautifully, especially when they did all the wide shots and everything. I thought that was really good. It was filmed in South Africa.

Okay. Yeah, go see it on the big screen. All right. Well, what's coming up on wrestling and action and stream fiends, guys? Uh, wrestling. White man can't jump. Uh, that's after dark. White man can't jump for stream fiends and, uh, the Stallone, um, classic lockup is coming for action.

Oh, nice. Okay. Uh, all right. Wrestling. I don't know. I've ever seen that. When's the next one? You got to see it.

and then listen to the podcast. Next wrestling, I think, is Clash at the Castle. Their UK pay-per-view, WWE. But I don't think that's until next month, and currently I just, I got my... September 3rd. Rick Flair's last match, which I'm totally happy for him to finally hang it up

because there was a lot of scary times in that match. I was scared. Oh, my gosh. You still live? Age has definitely, in the past couple years caught up with him fast.

I haven't listened to that episode guys, but is it really only like seven minutes long? Or did my... Yeah, anything you hear from me is going to be some quick bites because... The match was a match. It wasn't that long. Match was about 20 minutes.

Yeah. Okay. But... I will say, if you haven't heard to review, Jeff Jarrett, that guy can still play up the heel. He had people trying to fight him in the crowd. swinging and swing at his life and all kinds of. They were playing the heel character perfectly. And it was in his hometown, too.

And they were still, like, trying to throw shit at him. You can still see it on the entire. You said you can see it on Paramount Plus? You said you can see it on Paramount Plus or what? What, Rick Flair's last match? Or no, Peacup up, right? Yeah. No.

No? No. Rickflair has nothing to do with WWE anymore. No, this was an independent thing. Yeah. Oh, okay. So the interwebs. It's out.

Okay. I got you. All right. It's not on YouTube. I forgot. I heard that name in a long time. All right. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.

You know where to find us. www. Thehorrorreturns.com. Leave us reviews, all that good stuff. Brian, what are we doing next week, man? It's like Brides of Dracula from 1960, or we're going way back, aren't we? Yeah, we, because the new movie coming out, the invitation, looks like a kind of bride of Dracula-type situation.

So we're doing 1960s, the Brides of Dracula. All right, cool. So, Nez, until the whore returns again. go to the T public and buy a T-shirt New designs And um Get it Yeah

Buy more than Buy all of them Buy all of them Yeah Buy all the classic ones Before they're gone And with that Good night