The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #33: Candyman (1992) & The Bye Bye Man 2017 (Re-upload)

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

This week we review The Bye Bye Man and Candyman. Thanks for listening!

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This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie. then go back and find a classic work with similar themes looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times.

We include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, simply turn it off at that point and we promise you won't miss a thing. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will be spoilers when we're discussing anything that's been out for at least one year.

The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. Brian, you first, man. How's the weather? It's amazing up here. It's a winter wonderland.

Yeah, Philip, tell him what it's like down here, man. Yeah, I had to turn the AC back on yesterday. Oh, nice. Almost getting hot. Yeah, probably by today, probably had almost 10 inches of snow. Damn. Were you guys ready to dive right in? Let's do it.

I finished up Westworld. Oh, yeah? Nice. That was pretty awesome. It took a couple episodes to get rolling. But, man, I really loved the ending. I thought it was super cool. I'm really excited about next season.

Brian yeah Brian have you Have you finished that one man No I'm still where I am I think Four four episodes ago You need to get caught Oh yeah Yeah I'm trying

It's definitely got a lot of twists at the end Yeah it's so much so that we don't want to spoil anything right Yeah But it's like those last four episodes Man they're like just stuff keep happening Mm-hmm Yeah it's kind of funny how the focus changes on who you would consider to be the main character.

Would you agree with that? That they kind of change it up a little bit? Oh, yeah, definitely. Like the point of view, because I thought it was all going to come from the one character's point of view, you know, primarily and come to find out that's not true at all. Right. But I guess we won't spoil too much, Brian, for your benefit, man. Give you a chance to see it.

We'll spoil it next week. Okay. I'll try to have it watched by next week. Well, I think you've watched everything else this week, haven't you? Of course, I had to watch the sequels to one of the movies. Right. Why you put yourself through that? Actually, for Candyman, the sequel was not too bad.

The third one, I'm going to leave that one alone. Right. It's not even worth talking about. The second one is, I'm sorry, dude. The second one is where they do more of his backslore. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I remember that one. That was a pretty good one.

Yeah, the third one, they just went completely off the rails. And I have no idea. I kind of blacked out during that whole one. I don't even know what was really happening. But I did revisit. I've been sick all week, so I had a little downtime. I've revisited the Indiana Jones the original trilogy.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Still holds up for me. Great trilogy, great series. I hadn't watched that one in a while. Yeah, I kind of wanted to revisit with the news that we're getting, I believe we're getting a new one next year. So I don't know how that's going to play out.

Harrison Ford's like 90 years old. so but we'll see yeah he's in that new new blade runner movie too yeah

and uh from what I'm reading this was one of his uh reasons of coming back to Star Wars was for them to to make sure

he gets the Indiana Jones movie in I think he wanted to think he wanted to write the wrong of crystal skull so yeah that's a tall order to write that wrong

yeah but that was pretty much my cool of the week all right so you you enjoyed the second candy man but not the third one yeah the third one's a piece of shit yeah the third one is it called day of the dead or something yeah I've never even seen that one it's almost like I can't believe I'm even talking about

a movie so horrible it's like they revisit the second one one like they're, I don't know, it's almost like they're retelling his origin again. What? I'm like, we already did this in the second one. And then they, you know, he's got relatives that for some, I don't know what they was even doing in this movie. Honestly, like I said, the second one was not too bad.

Is there just the three? That I know. That you know. Yeah. I didn't even know how many there were, right? If there was a fourth one, I probably would have watched it. Yeah, I've only heard of it. Yeah.

I really enjoyed the second one, Brian. Isn't that the one that takes place in New Orleans, right? Yeah, it's not bad. And it's, I think it's streaming on Netflix right now. It is. And it's on iTunes, but I couldn't find the original one. on iTunes, which was kind of interesting. Yeah, I met to

message you guys. I don't know if you guys got a chance to watch the original one. Apparently, it's not streaming anywhere, and it's only to buy. Gotcha. Well, I would be happy. I would be happy to buy it. I'm actually got it recorded. I'm going to be watching it tonight,

but I think I could do all right on the discussion. I've seen it at least five times. It's a great movie, so. Yeah. But I did, enjoy the second one. The part I liked about it was the guy that did the voiceover, like during Mardi Gras.

I always thought that was Dr. John, but then I looked it up, but I think it was somebody else's voice, but he sounds just like that New Orleans musician Dr. John. Okay. Which is kind of interesting. But yeah, I love the New Orleans flair to the second one. Yeah, my cool of the week, I have told you guys a couple of months back, that was reading a book that was the first in the King Killer Chronicles

and I finished the first book which I thought it was kind of a chore to get through. There was a lot of set up, but I'm reading the second one now. It's called The Wise Man's Fear. It's written by a guy named Patrick Rothfuss. It's a straight-up fantasy novel, but I'm really getting into the second one. I'm almost halfway done with it. It's about a thousand-page book. So that was my cool of the week, a book.

There you go. Nice. You got a reader. Oh, I did finish the OA. Brian, where are you on that? I actually stopped after the first episode because I felt like this was a show that I think my wife will be interested in. Ah, okay, gotcha. So we are going to tackle that this weekend.

Cool. All right. I'd like to talk about that one next week. So, if you get a chance, man, I don't think you'll regret watching it. Okay. I'll definitely check it out. I'm sort of in a show hole now after Westworld. Well, good news for me.

There are no sequels to the movies. We'll be talking about next week. So I'll give myself movie home or TV show homework with Westworld in the OA. Awesome. There you go. News time. All right. Where are we going with the news?

First, I want to send a I don't know if you guys heard today, but William Peter Blatty, author of The Exorcist, passed away. Oh, I did hear about that. Yes, so I just wanted to give a little RIP to that. And on to our first little bit of news, we are going to get another House on Haunted Hill remake.

I heard about that also, man. what are the details? Is you're going to try to get Vincent Price in there using CGI or what? The only details I can get is it's coming from Warner Brothers, and this is probably not going to excite you, but paranormal activity, ghost dimension writers, Jason, Harry Pagan, and Andrew Duchman are writing the script, which that was probably one of the worst out of the series,

uh, ghost invention. That's strong words, man. So, I didn't mind, you know, I,

I, I like the original. I like the remake. I've seen the sequels. They are horrible. So I, I wouldn't mind

if they remade it, but as soon as I heard what some of the movies these guys have written, it doesn't really excite me. Yeah,

I'm not too excited. What are you thinking, Philip? Yeah, I mean, nothing. I remember the remake, but it gets twisted with that other movie that came out about the same time. Like Owen Wilson and stuff in it. Oh, The Haunted, I think it was. Something like that. I always get those two continues for something.

But it's nothing that I really remember about even the remake. Right. Yeah, I'm not super excited about it. Yeah, the remake was kind of forgetable, too, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of... Plus, it was in 99, which everybody knows was my favorite movie year, so it probably got kind of wedged.

Swipped under the roads. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember it too well. And I see Jeffrey Rush was in it, and he's a great actor. So if that didn't, if that didn't excite me, I don't know how excited I can get about yet another remake, Brian.

Yeah, I'm kind of there with you. Yeah, I'm looking at the cast. I don't even really remember it. American Horror Story has just been renewed for two more seasons. All right. That qualifies. That's definitely more exciting news than the last stuff. Although I sure don't like the way the last three or four seasons have gone.

Yeah, I enjoyed the last one. I just didn't like the finale. A lot of people liked it. I didn't care for it. I thought it was different. Yeah, definitely different. Yeah, also, I like, that's why I liked it. It was a different take, and I like how it changed up mid-season.

And I actually like the, what was it, 10 episodes instead of usual, like 15, 16 or whatever. it was. Right. Yeah, because stuff happened and like every one of them, they kept it excited. Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know. There's been stuff I've liked out of every season,

so. Right. Yeah. And I heard we're getting the next two closer to each other than how they usually come out. So I think they've been planning these next ones. wait a minute what do you mean by closer to each other you mean like one may come out uh six months after the other one or something

yeah i've heard i've heard rumors uh they're going to be releasing because they've been already been writing the next ones really they haven't released anything i don't think story wise or concept wise but i'm from what i've read they've they've already been uh they've already got the idea that they want basically. Interesting. I'm not mad at him. Yeah. And I've already heard, what was their name? Sarah Paulson.

Mm-hmm. And who is the, I can't think of the actor's name. He's been in every single season. Oh, the white dude? Yeah, quicks over from X-Men. Gotcha. Eric, Evan Peters. Evan Peters.

Okay, sure. Yeah. They're already locked down to come back for the next season. Which doesn't surprise me. They've been in every season. Yeah, they're kind of the staples. Yeah. Makes sense.

Okay. Moving on, we have another cast, another actor cast in the Terminator, or not Terminator. Tomb Raider reboot. Oh, Tomb Raiders. Yeah. I don't know if you guys.

I'm excited there. Sorry, everybody. Have you guys checked out the show Badlands? Into the Badlands on AMC? I tapped out, man. I'm not a huge martial arts fan, so I lost interest fairly quickly.

Okay. The lead actor... What was that? I saw the first season, but I haven't seen the second one yet. Okay. The lead actor Daniel Wu has been casted in the term. I keep on to say Terminator. I don't know.

I keep wishing. Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider reboot. That's cool. I like him. Yeah, he was, he was, he was pretty good in the show. So I think they're going with a more serious angle with this. I think they're definitely getting away from the Angelina Jolie first two.

how the tone. Right. Probably a good choice. Yeah. Okay. Where are we at? Okay. I'm pretty sure you guys have seen the commercials for the X-Men TV show

Legion that's coming on FX. Oh, yeah, yeah. Considering watching that. I quit watching all the other FX superhero shows because it was just like way too much to keep up with. Yeah, this, this one's uh seems pretty it's uh based on uh charles xavier's son right oh and uh he's the he's the main one in the in the trailers in the commercials for the show where he thinks he does i don't

think at the point we see him in the in the commercials that he knows he's a mutant i think i think he just thinks he's crazy mm-hmm okay so um well with that show coming out which is uh february eighth uh they just announced the x-men is also, they're getting another TV show that's also in the same universe. What? Yeah. Now, I haven't heard anything about this, man. I'm, I'm interested.

Yeah. There's been, like, I think we talked about it before. There's been a lot of talks about them doing neither a reboot or a soft reboot on the whole thing they got going over on Fox. Yeah, you were talking about that last time. Yeah, which I think it's more of a, soft one because of the, we've been talking about the new mutants movie and how they were going with a new direction. They're already bringing back James McAvoy for that one as Charles

Xavier, which I'm not mad at. I didn't mind him as Professor X. Sure. So, yeah, I like you. Yeah, I've always liked the X-Men. So, and I think, I think Legion looks like it's going to be pretty good. So I'm kind of interested to see where they're going to go with another X-Men show. If it's better than that Agents of Shield thing, then I'm down.

Yeah, I think I watched one episode of Agents of Shield. Yeah, me too. Just like I said one episode of Gotham. Unfortunately, I watch all those shows. I'm going to probably say it's time to put Agents to Shield to bed this season.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. not fully caught up, but I think from what I've been told, they've already dropped the Ghost Rider storyline. And from what I, yeah, from what people have told me is, uh,

it was probably because it was too expensive. Mm-hmm. To have that character on every episode. Makes sense. So, but I, yeah, it's time.

So. Okay. On to, uh, a little bit of, uh, on the horror side, Jeepers Creepers 3 has just started pre-production.

Oh, I thought that's what we just watched. Bye-bye, man. And they're bringing back director Victor Salva again. How do you guys feel about that guy coming back? Yeah, that's the guy with the sick and twisted, perverted, perverted habits, right? Yeah.

Yeah. The young men that work on the films with him? Yes. Really? I'd be okay if that guy never got work again. Why is he still around? Yeah, wasn't, I don't, I didn't necessarily read up on the whole thing. Wasn't he convicted?

Man, I don't know. I mean, I just, I just know that it was some, yeah, I mean, I think he was convicted, because, I mean, I know there was, there was a lot of weight behind the rumors. it wasn't just like a random, you know, rumor. There was a whole lot of articles that I read and podcasts that I listen to and whatnot that, you know, that confirmed that there was definitely truth to it. Yeah. I don't necessarily know if he was convicted, but I know it was pretty much, you know, killed the whole, his whole directing career. I imagine it would.

but apparently he's there uh I think they're about to start in the next month or two so apparently he's got work so uh yeah I like the character of the creeper

so right I don't know I'm conflicted because I don't want to watch this movie I don't want to support somebody like that but I don't know

yeah Deepers creepers was the original was better than I thought it was, but I haven't seen any of the sequel. I don't intend to. Yeah, I like the first one. I didn't care for the second one. Yeah.

Yeah, agreed. Okay. Our last news item is, I'm going to basically present this last news item as a question to you guys. I guess Frank Grillo recently came out and said

he thinks it's time to move on from the purge. Uh, doing the purge movies. I guess he'll focus on kingdom now, huh? So, gosh, I need to get on that show. I was about to say, I was wondering if Eddie gave him a call or something and talked him into, like, doubling up kingdom episodes or something.

Yeah. How do you feel this is going to affect the purge? Because I think since he's been in the purge, the box office-wise, they've improved every movie. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, personally, I don't care one way or the other. I'm not, as you guys know, I'm not the hugest fan of the Purge movies, but I don't

think it's going to change it one bit. I think they're going to continue making them. Philip, you enjoyed it more than I did. What do you think, man? I think they'll probably continue making them, but I think they're already on a downward path

and he's just jumping shit before they get too super cheesy. You can't come out with that many. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree. I think they'll be fine. I think they have one more movie in them.

Yeah. I think it's a prequel movie. Mm-hmm. And I think they should be done after that. What do you guys think about the rumors of the TV show? It sounded cool. The whole, basically, from what I read about each episode being, focusing on why, basically the lead up to, why somebody's going to commit this murder

or, you know, I'm kind of intrigued by that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But. Sounds like a Netflix kind of thing. Yeah. It has to be on Netflix

or maybe FX or you know, something where they can kind of push the envelope a little bit. Right. Yeah. But, um, yeah. I don't pay with the TV show. They need to quit doing movies, though.

I think that the last one was good. Yeah. They're going to drill it into the ground. Yeah, I think they got no other way to go than a prequel. But if they didn't do a prequel and they just did the TV show, I think that would probably be best. Yeah, I'd be all right at that. Time to purge the purge, huh?

Yeah. I'm good with that. And I believe that is all the news we have. And you boys ready to take that familiar trip? To the trail apart. Yes, sir. We take a look at the good, the bad, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what are we looking at this week, man?

First trailer we are going to talk about is a new movie on Netflix called Eye Boy, starring Bill Milner, Maisie Williams, Miranda Richardson, and because I seen it on Black Mirrors, I have to refer to him as the pigfucker. That's right. The prime minister himself. So this fucker ain't one of us. He said he'd fucking sheep.

Directed by Adam Randall. I thought this trailer looked pretty cool. Yeah? Yeah, I like the whole I guess from what I've seen in the trailer, he's running

away from a breaking into in his home and he's trying to make a call on his iPhone and he gets shot in the head. I don't know that fuse the technology from the iPhone into his brain. Oh, that makes more sense now. I get it. Now you get it,

huh? Yeah. Well, and it's got that one chick who it took me a minute to figure it out, but she's Aria Stark. Yeah, Maisie Williams. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something tells me No matter how long her career, she'll always be known as Arias Stark.

Yeah, definitely. It looks interesting. I mean, it's Netflix, so you almost can't go wrong. Right. Yeah, it kind of almost, how far are you guys into Black Mirror, by the way? Speaking of which? I am still going through the first season. Yeah, that was a cool one.

I was a big fan of Black Mirror. Yeah, same here. So I kind of got the Black Mirror vibe from this movie a little bit. It's almost like it's going to be an hour and a half long episode of Black Mirror like the finale was. Yeah, I kind of got Black Mirror mixed with Attack the Block. Ah, okay, I can see that a little bit. So, yeah, with that being said, I'm definitely checking out. It's going to be on Netflix

January 27th. Cool. I mean, it's on Netflix. Why not check it out, right, Philip? Yeah, why not? I mean, it looks like it. I mean, it's just a movie. I thought it was going to be a series. So, especially just a movie, I'll definitely watch it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. For sure. Okay. Our next trailer is let's see, XX, an all-female directed

Horth anthology starring Melanie Linsky, Mike Doyle, Natalie Brown, and many, many others. Directors include Roxanne Benjamin,

Sophia Corrello, Karen Kusama, and, let's see, St. Vincent, and Juvanka Vukovic. I hope I got those names right.

You struggle big time, dude. Yeah. What are you supposed to do? And I'm all for it, dude, any horror anthology series. It looked to me like that some of these were stories that were praying particularly on, you know, a mother's fears or a woman's fears. So, you know, yeah, I mean, that makes sense for women directors. And obviously they're going to be geared more toward that.

I mean, I'm all for seeing more, you know, females get out there in direct films for sure. Yeah, one of them had like the scary kid in it. and he had, I don't know, weird nails on his fingers. It looks super creepy, and there's four stories in an hour and a half. So you get more than just a little snippet, like more than just one scene. They're like, you should get four solid short stories, I think. Yeah, it looks really interesting to me. So this is a – I've been hearing about this for a while, so this is a definite watch for me.

Yeah, me too. It looks really good. Might be a good one for the show then. Yep, and it's coming out pretty soon, February 17th. Right around the corner. And on to the one that I am probably looking forward the most is raw. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, I'm going to apologize right now.

I'm not even going to try to pronounce these names. I believe this is a French film. Okay. Okay. So I don't, I'm not even going to try. How did, what did you guys think? Did you, first of all, did you guys watch the, the red band trailer? Yes.

Yes. Okay. It looks definitely interesting. So she's like, I guess, in a vet school or something and they have these crazy hazing rituals and they throw blood all. over her and make her eat, like, raw organs and stuff. It looks like she's in a fucking meat packing plant. Yeah, I did a quick, I checked on a synopsis real quick. Yeah.

Everything you're saying is correct. To add on to that, she comes from a long line of veterinarians that are also vegetarians. What? So she's never had meat. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. That adds a new little aspect to it. Yeah.

And then they make her eat the raw meat. and she catches some sort of crazy mad cow disease in terms of some sort of like zombie thing or something. I don't know what she is, but she's craving the raw meat. Like the last scene is her having sex with this dude and like chewing on her own wrist. Oh shit.

Was that her wrist or his that she was chewing on? It looked like her wrist. I think it was hers. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, I'm pretty sure she'd been freaking out about it. Right.

Yeah, this is a, this is another movie. Um, You know, every now and then there's movies that come out that they've always, there's reports of ambulance being called to the movie theaters. Yeah. There's been a lot of news stories coming out about people being really disturbed at the images in this movie. Really? I imagine. It looked like a pretty disturbing kind of movie.

So, yeah, based on that, and I've been hearing about it. this movie since last year, so it's very interesting to see the trailer. And this is also another one that I am definitely all in on. Yeah, I'll watch it. It's going to be an experience, I think, because it's probably super disturbing. It's super gross. Yeah, what gave you that idea? And we are getting this one March 10th.

Real quick, I forgot to mention it. We had a couple of celebrities like some of our pictures on Instagram. I just wanted to give a quick shout to them. Are you guys familiar with Raphael Sadiq from the group Tony, Tony, Tony? I'm definitely familiar with Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony. Yeah, he is the lead singer. He's liked a few of our pictures on there, and I thought that was pretty cool. Look out.

And Brea Grant, who was just recently in the move, I don't know if you guys got a chance to check out Beyond the Gates. we reviewed the trailer for it. The one about the VHS game that they played. Yes. She's also... I believe... I know she's like some of our pictures,

but I believe she also follows us. Cool. I thought that was pretty cool. A few items on our Facebook page have gotten a lot of positive feedback. The announcement of the Bates Motel final season. Cynthia Talbot and Stephen Loblad are both excited to see this.

What do you guys think about that one? Couldn't get past the first episode. Really? You may have to ask Brian about this one. Yeah, I may have to go back in and finish watching it. It looked pretty good. Yeah, I'm currently watching the last season. Yeah.

But I may have got spoiled. Right. What happens because ads have been popping up on Facebook. Well, yeah. I mean, you knew eventually mom's going to. to die and end up in his basement or whatever. Yeah, I think you've seen the same ads probably. Yeah.

Yeah, so I was kind of like, no, but I knew it was eventually coming. Right. Yeah. Inevitable. It's not that big a spoiler. It's one of those moments you're looking forward to the whole series. But right now where I'm at in this season, they're kind of focusing more on Norman and getting away from

you know whatever's going on into town because that's where it started losing me. I wanted more focus on the baits not the town. Yeah, that's very true. I forgot about that. Anyway, we're up to 574 likes on our

Facebook page so be sure to like us and share us and send us on. Hopefully we'll get a few more likes from people who might be horror fans. Our goal is to be a thousand likes by the end of 2017, and I think we can blow that out of the water. Cool.

So, thanks to, oh, and the Texas Frightmare Weekend, I'll give you an update on that one. So that's May 5th, 6th, so it's still a little ways away. But this thing is gaining some steam, man. It's gotten big. They've got Doyle, the guitarist from the misfits, and full makeup is going to be there taking pictures and stuff. So that's kind of cool. uh,

Jesus from the walking dead is coming. I thought you meant Jesus himself was going to be there, man. He looks like Jesus himself. Yeah. This thing is big. I know, right? Jesus is there. So I'm sure he'll hear all kinds of jokes about that that night.

And, uh, there's going to be a thousand little girls standing around his, his boot. Uh, Sting from W. Hall of Fame is going to be there in full makeup also.

Blumhouse is one of the sponsors, so they're going to be all over the place. Right. Some cast members from the Stranger Things. I know 11's going to be there, and the kid with the teeth, the goofy little kid. Right. That's his name. Gaten Matarazzo.

Oh, yeah, it's definitely who I want to meet. He's the best character on the show. Right. Yeah, I felt like he was the breakout. Yeah. Danny Lloyd from the Shining. I guess he was the little kid in the Shining. Right.

Okay. On the tricycle. Almost the entire cast of 31. Yeah. Yeah, Brian. Well, I mean... Yeah, I was going to say, except Malcolm Adelaide. I forgot the actor's name. I played

Doomhead. He was really... Yeah. Yeah, he was in... Game of Thrones, right? Yeah, he was really good. The only person I believe is not going to be there is Rob Zombie's wife or

But, uh, I don't know, I thought it was cool. Plus, it's the same cast that does all of those Rob Zombie movies, so they've been in some good shit. Sure. They're doing a reunion of Fright Night and Friday the 13th, part five.

And they're celebrating. the thing. So who's going to be there from there? Dean Cundry. Shannon Elizabeth. I'm not sure why she's going to be there, but she's going to be there. It's okay. She doesn't need a reason to be there.

I don't really care. She can make a living doing Comic-Con. That's cool. Ted Ramey is going to be there. So that's pretty cool. So that's just you know, a few on the long list of people. I think Keith David is supposed to be there.

Oh, yes, he is. Yeah. That's a table I want to make it over to for a picture, for sure. Definitely. It's a huge list of people. It's in Dallas. Lance and I are going to be there. We'll be wandering around.

So if you're in the area, you can grab tickets. I mean, I know we're based in Houston, so I imagine we have some people in Houston that follow us. Make a drive up in Dallas, man. Check it out. Three or four hours. it's not too bad. Yes, sir.

Well, you can email us for any kind of feedback at the horror returns at gmail.com or messages on Facebook, like us, share us, all that good stuff. We love to hear anything you have to say. And on to our feature detractions. All right, we're going to talk about the new film, The Bye Bye Man, and also discuss the Tony Todd classic Candy Man. Bye-bye. As always, start with Candyman trivia.

director was Bernard Rose, also known for Immortal Beloved. Writers, Bernard Rose with Clive Barker. Clive Barker obviously wrote the story that the film was based on, as well as the story that Hellraiser was based on, Nightbreed, any number of other films. Have you guys read any of his stuff? No, but I've always wanted to. Yeah, I mean, he's monster movie God, you know?

Yeah, I believe, isn't his, the latest book he put out? Didn't it combine characters from Hellraiser and Lords of, what was it, Lords of Illusion or something? Quite possibly, man. I know that, are you talking about the Scarlet Gospels? Is that, is that the name of that? I think so. I think so. Yeah, I bought it.

I haven't read it yet. So, okay. After I read that, I'll be able to tell you more. Yeah, let me know. For sure. But if you guys haven't read, or any of the listeners who've never read. have never read anything. I would start out with the books of blood. I think it was volumes one, two, and three where it was actually, it was his earliest work. It was basically just short

stories, so you can kind of pick and choose the stories. And, you know, you don't have to read it all at one time, but that was my introduction to him way back when. Sweets to the Sweet, which is written at the crime scenes, is a line from William Shakespeare's Hamlet. This one's interesting. Virginia Madsen is allergic to bees. Irony. So an ambulance was always on set while filming the bee sequence.

This movie is included among the 1001 movies you must see before you die, edited by Steven Schneider. And final piece of trivia, there was, in fact, a Candyman killer in real life. Dean Cora was a serial killer. Here we go,

Philip, in the Houston, Texas area. Uh-oh. Oh, shit. We're going back to Jeepers, creepers here. he raped and murdered a number of boys from 1970 to 73. So I guess he inspired the Jeepers Creepers director, huh? Maybe. Yeah. All right, this is dark.

I shouldn't be laughing. He would lure children into his home using, ah, this is terrible, man. He was using candy from his family's factory. So the media dubbed him the Candyman. Okay, on that high note, who wants to go first? I remembered this being, I mean, I haven't seen it since it came. out, so it's been a long time. I remembered it being a little more campy than it actually

was, and it was kind of fun to go back and watch it and look at, you know, this movie came out in 1992, so it was, it had a big focus on race relations, I think. And I thought that was kind of cool.

It's not something that I noticed the first time that I watched it. Um, it started out a little slow and sort of goofy. It's definitely 90s. Uh, But it definitely picked up and they had the whole crime scene thing. So it turned into almost like a crime thriller with a horror movie on top of it. Did you get the Ted Ramey cameo in the very beginning?

Who was he in the beginning? When I believe one of the students was telling Virginia Madsen about the story she heard about him. Basically, he was filling up the girl's tits in the story. That was his role. Oh, yeah. At the very, very beginning, okay. Yeah, I didn't realize it was him, but I guess it was. Now that I'm thinking about it.

So that was, I don't know, I thought it was pretty cool. It's about a, you know, a cult classic story that grows in to have its own entity. It starts killing people. Yeah. You know, this is one of my... my favorites, you know, it was one of them. I remember seeing it when I was young and you just daring each other to go say Candyman in the mirror.

Right. Yeah. And, you know, let's talk about Tony Todd. You know, this guy is a horror icon and this is definitely one of those roles. He will always be remembered. I don't even know if they can even remake this movie with somebody else. Oh, man. I sure hope they don't.

trying. Yeah, because the whole look and even you know, he gets voice casted because of his voice is so, you know, I'm gonna say iconic. Yeah, very iconic. Yeah, very recognizable and

I thought the practical effects with the bees was really good and that's really crazy to find out that Virginia Madsen is allergic to bees. I know, that'd be serious shit. There is a lot of bees on the And they weren't like the bees from the Nick, the Nick Cage, uh, wicker man, right?

These were real. No, no digital bees. This is, this is back in no digital days, man. It had some really good practical effects. I liked it. I like the, uh, I like the hook on his hand and it looked like it was coming out of this disgusting chunk of roast beef. Yes. He was very, very, very.

Very brutal with that hook, too, how he would just slit you from one end to the other. Yeah. And then they had that dog's head laying on the ground. Yeah. Blood coming out everywhere. Yeah. Speaking of the brutality of the kills, you know, it wasn't, even how he did it with the hook, he never made it seem like he was just going through people easy.

You know, he was always kind of forcing, jerking, you know. Yeah. Which just kind of, to me, just kind of added to the whole, like I said, brutalness, you know, painful. Yeah, definitely had some brutalness in it. That poor little kid sitting on the toilet. Oh, my gosh. Junk cut off. Who does that?

This guy's evil. I guess the Candyman does. So was it, would you guys say this was the first of the Urban Legends movies? Like, I know there's been a lot of movies since then that deal. with urban legends, but I can't remember any before this one. I can't either. Yeah, I agree. This started the 90 horror movie, the 90s horror movie movement.

Definitely. Yeah, very influential. Yeah, and I thought it was really well filmed. But one question I had in my mind throughout the entire movie, which I don't know if you guys would agree with me or not, but do you think it's possible that the filmmaker's intent was that maybe the Candyman was really there? but maybe he wasn't and she really was just going insane through the whole thing. Yeah. I think that,

I think that they at least, they at least made you think that the Candyman was definitely there and screwing with her hit. Right. But they also had, there was a little bit of doubt in there. They left just enough of a window for you to go, well, maybe she's nuts and she's the one doing it all. Yeah.

If they, if they was going with that, they totally threw that away with the, sequels. Ah. Oh, yeah. In other words, the sequels are like super on the nose. There was, no doubt.

Well, because part of this storyline, whether he was there or not, I mean, definitely focus on her descent into madness. Because any way you look at it, if he was really there, he drove her crazy. If he wasn't, she was driving herself crazy. There was no doubt by the end of that, that final scene that she was quite mad. And, I mean, it was a well-filmed movie. I never got a campy feeling out of it at all. I always thought it was pretty well done, you know,

especially for what in 92 would be a horror movie. Like you guys said, it set the tone for the 90s. Yeah. But yeah, I would say the standout on this is the acting, both for Tony Todd as well as Virginia Madsen. Yeah, he did really well be. You know, ready for scores? Yep, ready when you guys are.

So we can get on to our fantastic modern classic movie of the week. Oh yeah, I can't wait to get to that one. Anyway. I think I'm going to give this one a seven and a half. And a lot of that's just because it's from the time period. I wasn't super impressed with the film quality. Everything was kind of dark. Right.

But, I mean, really, aside from that, it was a pretty good story. Definitely worth watching. yeah strong yeah I'm gonna also giving a seven and a half for me it still holds up it was one of my favorites that came out

when I was a kid I love Tony Todd you know I'll even watch him in his because he does a lot of movies and some of them I'm not going to say some of them half of them are not too good

right but um you got a swing the bat. Yeah, but he has a presence about him that will make me go watch his movies. Sure. Yeah. And there's a few people like that, though.

To me, Candyman's just, for me, one of, one of those memorable horror movie villains, icons. Yeah. And I thought the practical effects were good. I thought the kills were pretty good. And I'm going to go. with a seven and a half. All right, it's unanimous. 7.5 for me as well.

This is a modern horror classic. Definitely Tony Todd's breakout. And as we said, most air quotes, iconic role, for sure, no doubt about it. Definitely did a lot towards shaping who he is as an actor. And this particular role, I think, had everything to do with what you were talking about, Brian, with all the different movies that he's in every year. Yes. And he will forever and always be the candy, man.

There's no doubt about it. So, yeah, the unanimous score, guys, seven and a half all around. Now, who thinks our next movie is going to be unanimous scores? I can tell you it will be unanimous on a certain end of the scores. I don't know if it'll be unanimous. I imagine I'm going to like it a little better than you guys did, I think. Oh, no. Not by much, though.

Okay. We're going to find out. So we'll start with trivia. The new film this week was The Bye Bye Man. Director Stacey Tidal, also known for The Last Supper and Hood of Horror. Now, this surprised me. So this is a director who's been out of work for some time. Have you guys ever seen or heard of that movie The Last Supper? No. No. It's actually really, really good.

Really? Yeah, it's a really bizarre sociopolitical discussion. on liberals primarily, because you've got this group of, you know, kind of hippie-dippy liberal types that grow their own food in the backyard and invite people over for supper. And it's kind of tongue-in-cheek, because they'll invite over, like, basically a Rush Limbaugh type, and it'll come over and have dinner, and they basically poison them, and then they bury them in the backyard and use them as fertilizer for the tomatoes that they're growing. Oh, wow.

Yeah, and then they'll serve tomatoes to the next people. So needless to say, you know, by the end of it, everything breaks down and the tables get kind of turned on, you know, it just says a lot about, you know, political statements and what people really believe in and how certain actions can lead you to, you know, kind of change, like say one thing and do another. You know, and I'll just leave it at that because it's a really good movie. I strongly recommend it. It's an older film, I think probably from the 90s, but if you can find it on Netflix or something, check it out, The Last Supper. Yeah. All right. I was very surprised to see that the same director who did that did this one,

but we'll go into that in a while. Writer, Jonathan Pinner, also known for Let the Devil Wear Black, and he's also got numerous acting roles. In fact, he plays Mr. Daisy in this film. Mr. Daisy. The Flower Shop. Yeah. Oh, okay.

What a name to name the Flower Shop owner. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, get it? You get it? I don't think you get it, Brian. You see a daisy's a type of flower? Yes. And he's a flower shop and he's Mr. Daisy.

I got it. Okay. All right. Just making sure you got it, man. It's a pretty deep movie. Some of it might have gone over your head. Just making sure, man. But it was previously rated R by the Motion Picture Associates of America for quote-unquote bloody horror violence.

language and some sexuality. This was filmed in, always a kiss of death guys, filmed in November and December of 2015, but as we know, not released until January 2017. Yeah, there's always a reason for that. Always a reason.

Brian, you want to get the ball rolling here? Yeah, I'm going to just say right now, what did they say in the movie? Don't think it, don't say it. Don't watch it. don't see it. Because this is an early candidate for one of my

worst movies. I thought the acting was... Yeah, I thought the acting was horrible. I thought the story was stupid. I like the concept of the bye-bye man. Right. But I don't really think we even

delved really into the bye-bye man. And that's the title of the movie. Or why, yeah, why he's doing what he's doing? Exactly.

And I can, now reading the trivia, I can see that this movie probably was rated R for all that stuff because I can see where all the stuff was cut. Right. There was a lot of scenes where I was kind of like, this is weird.

There was something that was probably here. And then we just kind of cut, you know, we just kind of cut to another scene or, I don't know. It seemed like a lot of things was incomplete, and I just really don't know why Doug Jones, that's the actor's name that played the Bye Bye Man.

I don't understand why he was in. Oh, yeah, Doug Jones. Okay, sure. Yeah, I have no idea why he was in this movie. This movie, I was bored through the entire thing. Hey, the makeup was great, though. I will say that. The makeup on the Bibow Man was pretty cool.

The Bipa Man looked creepy as shit. Yeah, so I'm going to leave it at that because there's some issues I want to bring up in spoilers. So, yeah, I did not enjoy this movie, not one bit. You mind if I go next, Philip? Yeah, go for it. So you can bring us back down to Earth. Maybe you can center us a little bit and show us the error of our ways. I have a feeling my radio.

might go down once we hit spoiler territory. I am one million percent with Brian. This is definitely a strong early contender. And for the second movie in this year that we've seen, that's saying a lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you summed it all up, Brian. What did you say?

Don't watch it, don't see it? Exactly. Okay, so hopefully we're going to have this show out pretty early for our listeners so we can save a lot of people a lot of people live. You know what? I think it's... I don't know... I don't know about you guys,

but I think it might be too late. My theater was packed. Really? For this one? Yes. Yes. Oh, mine wasn't at all. I had like...

There were two people in my theater. Oh, I had a packed theater, and they were... The so-called jump scares, there was people jumping out of their seats, throwing popcorn. Right. And I'm like, what? I was like, what movie are you? watching. Do you live in the ghetto of Alaska? What the hell?

Oh my gosh, I can't wait to get spoilers. All right. I'm glad you brought up the movie theater experience because I had a doozy of an experience with this one. When it started out, there was no one else in the theater. It was just me.

And by the time we got into like the first, because they showed like eight trailers. They showed a shit back trailers. Oh, and by the way, The new longer trailer for a Cure for Wellness. Have you got seen that? Yes. Oh, no, I haven't seen that one.

Oh, I am really looking forward to this movie. Yeah, I got to watch that. I cannot wait for that movie. That trailer was definitely the high point of my trip to the theater yesterday. But it's kind of weird. I was there, and it's one of those theaters where you have those chairs that are extremely comfortable, and you actually reserve your seat and everything. So, you know, I'm there, and then the trailer start, and this guy and chick,

and the guy was wearing the by-by-man hoodie of all things and yeah man the trailers were going on and he kept getting up from his chair and leaving and coming back

and getting up and leaving and coming back and she was looking around like where the hell is he so anyway the movie starts and he sits down and I don't know

if this guy had some kind of weird Touretes like some kind of a bizarre rather than speaking out curse words he just started uncontrollably

cough slash hiccuping or if the guy had hiccups or if the guy had a cold that was literally uncontrollable. And I was trying to be nice figuring, oh, there's something wrong with this guy. You know, I'm not going to look like an asshole and stand up and move from my seat. And then all these kids come in

and these little girls are giggling. And, you know, it was just a bad theater experience like the one you had last month, Brian. But I was willing to put up with it all, you know, and this guy, because I'm like, something's wrong with him. I'm not going to fuck with him. And then he pulls out his fucking self.

phone and starts text, and I'm like, okay, it's fair game. You gotta be kidding me. Yeah, I go all the way back to the back row and watch the rest of the movie from back there, and I could still hear that little motherfucker, coughing, hiccuping, or whatever the fuck he was doing. Now, if it had been a good movie, I would have been really pissed, you know, but in this and let me ask you this, are you guys sure this is a horror and not a comedy? Okay.

Because my, no, no, let me just say real quick, man, my, my group in my theater, dude, they were fucking laughing out loud in numerous sections, myself included. You know, not to spoil anything. Well, we'll get into spoilers later, but there was some LOL moments, Brian. At this point, I don't even know of spoilers is even... Okay, I was confused about the acting. I don't know if it was just bad or if they were being bad on purpose. It was one of those things with me.

Dude, I took a few notes. I didn't... Community theater level actors is one of my big notes that I've... but out. Yeah. I didn't have a problem with the main character. I thought he was okay. The girl was...

I hate a little fucking asshole. I hate that. Every fucking person in this movie was 100% hateable. That girl was terrible, though. Oh, she was so awful. Wait, which one? Yeah, no shit. Take your pick.

Well, the main girl, like, it was... That wasn't even community theater level acting. That was, they picked off some hot... They picked up some hot girl off the street. Matter of fact. I think you're right. Matter of fact, while you guys talk, I am going to look her up because I'm almost positive. There's no way she's been in anything else.

Yeah, exactly. It sounds like you're going to follow her career from the way you're talking, Brian. Hey, that kind of acting. It was terrible. Oh, man. This isn't really a spoiler because it happened kind of early in the movie, but the friend who was fucking always grabbing on her and trying to get with her. And yet when he finally did get with a chick, the motherfucker can't even.

get it up? This has never happened to me before. Do it, do it, do it? Yeah, right. I have a question. Did it feel like he was two different characters? Dude, I, you know what? Yeah.

He was like the nice guy, but he couldn't get his shit straight. Yeah, I couldn't really get along with his storyline. I am completely speechless. You guys go ahead. I'm done. Man, I felt, I felt so stupid. I knew this. I knew this movie was going to be kind of silly, right?

It's called The Bye Bye Man. And I felt so stupid asking for a ticket for the Bye Bye Man. That was the hardest thing that I did that day. Yeah, so I bought the ticket. There was only a couple other people in my theater, and they were super quiet. So it was a pretty good theater-going experience for me, at least. So watch the whole. thing.

I felt like the acting was definitely not great. I was okay with the main character and I was really trying to get into the storyline. I think the bye-bye man was super creepy. His dog is super creepy. But I also feel like they never really did anything.

You know what I mean? Like it was they tempted you with this creepiness, you know? And you're waiting for something to happen and then something never really happened. and the storyline was they just could have picked a better name for the bad guy a and then b the storyline was kind of forced um i think i like it a little better than you guys did i thought it was uh i'm not going to say an enjoyable experience but it was it was a better watch than

incarnate right not not by a ton no it's don't don't go out and spend money on this this this This is a Watch it maybe on Netflix if there's nothing else on. Yeah, if there's nothing else on Netflix to watch. Nothing else. If there's nothing else. Years and years and hundreds of people

all watching at the same time something different for you to get down to that. Yeah. I mean, but if, you know, because I scan through the horror movies on Netflix and I'll check through little star ratings, you know, and most of the horror movies only get one star. So if you find one that's two or one and a half, sometimes that might be worth watching.

And you're like, I'll watch that. This is going to be one of those that might be like a one and a half star. And you could watch that. Well, I would say, Mr. Daisy needs to quit writing, but he's not much of an actor either. You didn't enjoy that performance? It was horrible, man. Horrible. I think we're ready for score so we can get into these spoilers.

All right, fair enough. Who went first? Me? I'm going to give it a one. Ouch. And I'm only giving it a one because I love Doug Jones. Right. I think all the movies where he, basically, he's performing as these different creatures and characters.

I think he does an amazing job. And you guys are right. The makeup on him looked amazing. He loved this. Yeah. Bye, my man was scary. Yes. Very creepy.

But I cannot, the story, the acting, I can't wait to get into this acting and spoilers. It just, it really, really missed the mark with me. I was completely bored in the theater. I kept looking at my phone to see how long before this movie ends. And I. Ouch. I cannot give it no more than a one, and that's just because of Doug Jones. Even though the character of the by-bye man didn't really do anything.

I know. So pass it off to Lance, I believe. Yeah, I mean, I've got to give at least half a point for the makeup. Definitely, I mean, really, really creepy and a good makeup job. Maybe we ought to see who did the makeup for the film and make sure they stay. away from this kind of shit from now on so we can actually enjoy their work. But yeah, I'll give it a half a point

for the makeup, which basically means I give the movie half a point. Point five. Point five. Ouch. Yeah. I'm going to bring it up a little bit. I'm going to give it a three. Wow! Holy shit, dude. You're going to go ahead and put it up for

Oscar contention, too, or what? Jesus, dude. I'm telling you. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It sounded like like y'all were going to put it in the doghouse and I'll I'll at least leave the door to the cage open. It was, I'm not mad that I went to the theater and watched it, but don't spend money on it unless you just absolutely have to. There's a bunch of other movies in the theater right now that are way better than this, I promise.

There has to be, right? Yeah. All right, cool. Spoiler time? Spoiler. All right, who's first? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. I'm going to get right into this acting. I felt like the best friend, he was a stereotypical. I didn't understand because one minute he's like, son, son, son.

But then the next minute he is like this jock, douchebag. I felt like they wrote two different characters. Right. And then was like, no, let's just make a master into one then the blonde girl the blonde chick I don't even know what her name is

she's so bad yeah oh my god she's so bad that when she sneezes she says acho she doesn't even do a real she didn't she got all sick and she said actually oh yeah she did I didn't even think about that and oh my gosh

and I just really I just remembered why was Carrie Aunt Moss in this movie oh no dude I felt so sorry for her. Yeah, the Matrix chick. Yeah, how'd you feel for Faye Dunaway, man? Yeah, I mean, she's going to be a recurring character in the Netflix Marvel movies. Does she?

Well, I'll take it back because now that finding out they made this movie two years ago. Oh, yeah, that's true. But even then, yeah, it is no excuse. Oh, and the thing that really makes me mad is they don't, I don't understand. what the purpose of the bye-bye man is, the origin, why he does anything. Yeah, they don't explain any of that.

Yeah, what is with the dog? I don't understand. I have no idea. I thought the dog was really horrible. The CG effects. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I would say to gonpatical effects on the dogs. I was going to say that when you started talking about the makeup,

and I was like, hey, the dog was kind of creepy cute. Right. Yeah, I mean, there, there was times like when it was, when it's creptical. sleeping in the shadows and you just see the eyes. Mm-hmm. That was really good. When it came out in the open, I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is a mess right here. Especially the scenes where I guess it comes and it chews on the faces of the dead or whatever.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That looked really bad. Pretty rough, huh? Yeah. I did kind of like the scene where the little girl opened the door and the hound's face came out from the little door across the room. Yes. Yeah, that was a little tense. and they didn't explain the coins.

They didn't explain anything. Why would they fucking take time to explain coins, man? Well, I mean, give us something. Give us one thing. Throw me a bone, no pun intended. The coins kept popping out of that stupid nightstand. I mean, I did like the idea that basically, once you told someone,

basically you infected that person with this idea of the bye-bye man. Yeah, kind of a. came a virus. Yeah, basic. And there was only one way to deal with it. And that was to kill that person to take that, you know, before they spread it. I like that, but it just went nowhere.

Literally. And I really didn't care for the guy, the lead guy. Oh, jeez. I just. Elliot? Yeah, is that his name? It was horrible, man. Horrible. Yeah, one of you.

you guys take it before my mind exposed. Hey, let me ask you guys this. Have you ever, have you ever seen a librarian chick so fucking fat that when you hit her with a goddamn SUV the SUV, the SUV gets knocked off the road, flipped a few times turned upside down and she's still

resting against a tree talking? Okay, quick, quick question. What was the real rating of this movie? Because there was people there was people that got shot with shotguns. and had no wounds or blood. Yeah, no blood and no wounds.

I noticed that too. Oh, yeah. Good point. The psychic chick got, she got ran over by a train. Right. She didn't look that bad for being run over by a train. Yeah, especially when she came back. Yeah.

I kind of forgot what happened. She kind of looked like she got stabbed in the chest a couple times. Right. Yeah. But I was like, no, you got ran over by a train. you should not even be a little more torn up. Yeah. But yeah, it completely lost me.

Right. Maybe I would have gave it a higher rating if they just would have went more with what the by-bye man was about. I kind of even liked a name because it sounds like one of those urban myth kind of names. Yeah, that's why you put a Candyman for the other film, right? Yeah, it just completely reminded me a Candyman. Yeah, so in other words, we had an example of the right way to do it. the very, very wrong way to do it. Yeah.

Because in the Candyman, they explain his backstory a little bit. Yeah, they didn't even they don't touch on it. Yeah, in Candyman, they didn't spend a long time talking about it, but they gave you enough to get an idea.

Yeah. In this, like I said, the coins, the hound, the dog, or whatever, like, nothing. Yeah, right. The original guy, the the writer,

the news reporter or whatever. Right. It didn't even really touch on where he got the story from. So it kind of scares me that this movie's going to make money, and the second one's going to be a prequel. Are you saying you're already making a second one for sure? No, I'm saying it scares me. That's what you're worried about.

Yeah. That this movie's going to make money. Yeah. I get it. And we're going to basically, basically we're going to. make that much funny. Basically, I think we're going to get an Annabelle, too.

I don't think so. I don't think this one is, it's, I don't think it's going to pick up enough steam, because I don't imagine very many people. I mean, even if they do go to see it, they're not going to, like, go back to see it or recommend it to their friends or any of that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm judging it based on, I went right before I went to work, so it was a Friday night, and like I said, the theater was packed.

I got you Oh shit And I had a fairly Young crowd in there And they were eating this movie up No no Well maybe they'll film the sequel in Alaska Yeah

Maybe some people liked it a lot better than we did I couldn't imagine I mean there was I had people screaming that this movie's not scary But then the obvious jump scenes coming up are jumping out of their seat. So I don't, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, man.

Like I said, the whole crowd where I was was just basically laughing at everything that was supposed to be scary or taken seriously, it just groans and laughter. So that gives me some hope. I wish I was in your theater. Man, whoo. I am pulling up box office results. Philip, you haven't turned in too much.

There's nothing that you said. that I can argue with. I mean, it's, yeah, I figured my rating might want to come down a little bit since, once we got into the spoilers, because I figured you guys would... See, I'm pulling up the budget and what it's made so far. Pull all the pieces back in.

Yeah, I pulled up the budget and what is made so far off of one day. The budget was $7.4 million. It's already made $5.4. Hmm. He almost paid for itself, huh? Well, yeah. I'm sure they'll make money on it. Yeah, we're getting a sequel.

Trust me. All right, folks, you hear to hear first. They may put that on the cover art when the Blu-ray comes out. They may put Brian Stitcher, the horror returns, quote, We're getting a sequel, unquote. Well, you know what? Maybe they'll pull their shit together with a bigger budget and make the sequel better than this. Absolutely.

Okay, this is, and there is a silver lining. There is a silver lining, though, because Ouija and Annabelle were horrible movies. And I'd say we all fairly like Ouija, too. Yeah, not bad. And judging by the teaser trailer for Annabelle, too, it looks like it's going to be better than the first one. Oh, yeah. So maybe possibly they'll learn from their mistakes and will actually get it. get a bye-bye man movie that's actually based on the bye-by-man so maybe that's because i think it's a

cool character they just messed him up man yeah like i like i like the idea yeah they really hopefully a dog will be a little better looking they messed the bye-by man over didn't they a bunch of little douchebag kids just fucked it up for him worst actors ever maybe you were supposed to like the by-by-man and you were supposed to want him kill him. That's what it is. I'm going to go watch the movie again now with a fresh set of eyes. Let's not even talk about the horrible brother.

Worst parent ever. He's terrible, man. Worst parent ever. Jesus Christ. The only thing I've seen that guy in was the Battlestar Galactica series. But he looked like he's been, I think he's been in a few other movies. I mean, he's not as big as Carrie Ann

Moss or Fay Dunaway, but yeah, he looked familiar. Yeah. But boy, so what you mean by bad parenting, dude. Fill the listeners in because you know nobody's going to watch this piece of shit. Well, let's start from the beginning when he brings his

daughter to basically a college house party. Right. And it just lets her wander around by herself. Why not, man? And then the next time we see her, as far as the brother knows, outside the house,

there's something really wrong going on in the house and he tells his daughter, go, pee somewhere, I'll keep eye on you. Yeah. And then just completely forget. Yeah, and it completely forgets about her. Right. So, yeah, he just popped in my head.

Thank you guys. You can't read in the dark, huh? Yeah. What a horrible false ending that was. I thought they were going to go really dark there for a minute with the daughter. Well, okay. Didn't he chucked that night stand in the river? no he threw it in his backyard cool that was stupid why would you do that why not set the shit on fire if you don't want somebody to see it i thought that's what i thought because he maybe yeah that's what he was gonna do do do right but then it was maybe that was his one good acting because when he picked up that that nightstand and the way he was carrying it he just looked like he was going to smash the shit out of it or do something yeah and then he

he walks in his backyard and throws it in the woods. Not too far from his house. Yeah. And I'm like, wow, yeah. That took care of all the problems. It'll sure disappear now. Nobody will ever see it again. I'm done.

I can't talk about this. Yeah, I've said enough. Philip? Oh, yeah. All right. Come on. I think that was it, man. I didn't say it was a good movie.

I just said it's maybe not in the worst movie I've ever seen on the planet. All right, fair enough. As always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at The Horror Returns at Gmail.com. And be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Podbean. Just search for The Horror Returns.

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