The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #333: Hellraiser (1987) & Hellraiser (2022)

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

This week, joined by Jack Falvey IV of BingeMedia,  we check out the brand new Hellraiser and the Clive Barker original. Cool of the Week includes Annabelle: Creation, Werewolf By Night, Scream 2, Barbarian, and Sleepy Hollow. The trailer is Violent Night. The Podcast Spotlight shines on Gag Me With a Knife, and we get feedback from Marcus Wilturner, Al Ramseur, and Xim Vader. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify go, welcome, you have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, one and all to The Four Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip.

But tonight, Jack is back. All the way from bingemedia.comnet, we've got Jack Falvey the 4. How's it going, man? You, you, you know, you. It's good. It's good. I haven't been on it a while with you guys, so it's always good to come and hang out for a couple hours, you know, catch up.

Yeah. We think you've qualified for the smoking jacket. Isn't this your fifth appearance? All right. Well, I'll look forward in the mail, so you'll let me know. All right. Well, Brian, how's your week in Alaska, man? You know, getting any snow yet?

As of today, yeah. First, first day of snow. Oh, shit. Not enjoying it, but... I'm in flip-lops right now. It's beautiful as I'd. I just put my Halloween lights out today, and it was like maybe 60 degrees, so... Okay.

But you did get to watch some HocusPocus 2 filming. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a little farther back, but yeah, for sure. All right. Phil? Cool, Louie. I'm curious. about hocus pocus too now are you

it ain't gonna be cool of the week i fucking guarantee you that yeah as pedro says nostalgia is a hell of a drug and yeah i watch it the first when it's lost some part already uh micha lulaw the week actually um i've been trying to scare the shit out of my daughter

she's nine and uh she's decided that she wants to watch a really scary movie and so i'm like oh okay and i showed her something Terrifier? Relatively tame at first. I can't remember even what it was. And she was like, that's not scary. And I was like, okay, well, let's watch the remake of it.

And she said, that wasn't scary. And I was like, oh, all right. Here we go. And so I showed her, the Exorcist, like the fucking 2000 edition where she crab walks down the scares. She told me that wasn't scary. I'm like, all right. You're not paying attention to the fucking movie is what the problem is. I think she just wants scary parts.

So I showed her Annabelle Creations. Okay. Because I remembered watching that going, man, this has got a lot of really scary scenes, but, you know, the story's not really there. She loved it. It was, she was definitely scared of that when she was hiding her eyes the whole time. So, succeeded. So that makes that the official cool of the week then? I think so.

I need to get her to watch his Hellraiser remake, remake. man, that was, well, I'm looking for that. Yeah, she might not get everything. What do you think, Jack? How old is your daughter, if you don't mind my mask? She's nine. Yeah, no, we have to, like,

maybe mute a couple of parts and have her close her eyes. Sure, sure, sure. Which we did. The reason I'm asking is because, you know, this kind of, I was just on the benchcast this past week, and we were talking a little bit about this, but, you know, with like hocus pocus, too, Hocus Pocus is a movie that I feel like

is, it's a good thing that it exists because it's kind of like a gateway Halloween horror movie for little kids, you know? Yeah. Same way Gremlins kind of is, you know, and a couple other Joe Dante flicks. But yeah, I didn't know if you guys had like go-to flicks for kids that could get them into horror genre stuff that you, that are like your stalwarts, right? Like the stuff that you kind of would fall back on

and say like, yeah, she's nine, but she'll be all right, you know? But I don't know if you knew of any others that came to mind as like good kids' Halloween horror movies. Yeah, I mean, she's seen some stuff that's relatively scary before, and she's, she's my little horror fan. She's a mini-mee. And, uh, nice. Um, my son wasn't watching him. He's 11. He's, he's like, no. But, uh, this is, she decided she wanted to be scared.

And so I tried to show her the big boy horror movies. And I don't think she quite gets it yet. But once she starts watching movies with like story and, you know, because the whole time she was like, Dad one's the scary part. Is the scary part happening now? What about now? I'm like, I will fucking turn this car around.

But yeah, no, that's my cool of the week. Also, House of the Dragon again. Again. Okay. It's still getting there. It's like, I want more every time it ends, which is a good sign. Yeah, it is. Sure.

Good sign. I know it doesn't get a ton of good press, but I think by the end of it, it could be good. All right. I could fall on its fucking face, but we'll see. I don't think so. Well, I don't think it's going to pull a Game of Thrones. We'll see, though, right? Jack, apologies, ma'am.

Usually we let our guests go first. I guess I was blinded by the. smoking jacket, yet you're no longer considered a guest. You're part of the show like Pedro now. But you've got a cool in the week, ma'am? Yeah, I mean, I'm still kind of enthralled with the thing. I've watched it three times now, but I absolutely loved Werewolf by Night. It was right up my alley.

I think it's my favorite thing Marvel's done since end game. probably. Yeah. Like, I don't know. It was just, it was on my wavelength, you know. It just, I didn't know I needed it, and then I got it, and I saw what's been missing out of my life since, you know, 2019. Is that one on Disney Plus? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. It knows out yet. So they made it as a, they call it on, it's the first of the Marvel special presentations. So it's an hour-long feature. So it's not a TV show, and it's. not a movie, it's like a one-off, but it's very, very, very awesome. So that's cool.

Yeah. Doesn't wear out its welcome. It's going to be a regular Halloween watch for me. You know, it's just perfectly kind of tuned to that frequency, you know, but it's really good stuff, really good. Nice. Well, Brian, since we're doing our seven days, you probably don't have 30,000 Amityville movies, right? No, taking a break.

See, we already did our 31 week one recap, so I'll go with my daughter is a big screen fan. She loves the franchise. After I took her to see the newest one, she went back, watched

all the original ones, even went through the TV shows. And my theater was showing the 25th anniversary of Screen 2, so we caught that one. Nice. All right. And we both came out of it, kind of not really realizing how much humor there was in Screen 2. Because we both laughing our ass off at a lot of scenes, especially David Arquette, very comedic in that, and especially in that movie. I don't know what it was, but he was just making us laugh. And it looked good up on the screen. It was the only screen,

I mean, it was, the only screen movies I've ever seen was the original and the newest one. So it was good to see this one and it made me feel old that it's 25 years old now. Yeah. Didn't in the theaters or seen it, period. Oh, we reviewed it. Yeah. When I said, Screen 3 was the best out of the franchise. I didn't say the franchise.

I still think the original is the best, but I actually enjoyed Scream 3 and nobody else did. So, fuck you, Brian. I think I half as agreed with you. I think he did too Oh man All right I'll never live that one down All right

Brian I'm going to double dip though man You didn't but I will Because that last movie We were talking about tonight I've got to I got at least bring it into the light For the regular show For listeners who might not listen to our 31 days

But Barbarian Which is It's a master class in how to make a trailer and not get too much away. Yeah, it's a definite top 10 contender and brilliantly written script. Lots of twist and turns, three completely different acts. It's like three different movies, but it all ties together at the end. It's phenomenal. And I will not say anything more about it except that they do, they definitely lead you in a different direction than they end up jerking you and taking you. Have you seen it, Jack? Yep, and I totally agree. Probably top

five for the year right now. It's been a very good horror year overall. Oh, it has. A lot of solid stuff this year. Yeah. But that kind of stands above the others for me. Is that one streaming yet? Not yet.

Probably a couple more weeks. All right. I believe they announced the 28th, I think. Oh, nice. Just in time for Halloween then. Yeah. All right. News items, Brian.

All right. I only got a few things. We're going to start with TV. Lance, I know you were asking about this. You were waiting for it to happen. And the TV adaptation of Mark Wahlberg's 1990 thriller beer. I was asking about this? Are you fucking with me right now?

I don't know who was asking for this. But yeah, it's coming to Peacock. Maybe Naz. And it'll be streaming on the cops. huh? Yeah. Who the fuck cares about fear? Like a nothing movie from 30 years ago enough to watch a series, 10 episodes, like what the

fuck? Maybe they'll cast other Walbergs. Just remake it, but make the whole cast Walbergs? Yes. It's twice as old as he does. Donnie as the girlfriend in a wig. Actually, you know what? I would watch that.

They should make it. What you? We're going on a roller coaster. You're going to be afraid, all right? You get the one that cooks for Walburgers. Yeah, Walburgers. Yeah, yeah. Let's see.

Mike Flanagan is no longer involved with Netflix's adaptation of something is killing the children. Okay, but is he still doing House of Usher? Yes. Is that going to be this year or did Midnight Club? He just released Midnight Club, so. Oh, fuck. So I got to wait probably. Until next year, huh?

You never know with Netflix, so. Use that on the soundboard, Jack. Depends on when they go out of business. Oh, don't say that. All right, we know that M. Knight-Sharmelon's next movie is Knocked to Cabin, but he already has a release date for his yet titled movie April 5th, 2024. for. So I already gave him a release date.

And no title, no synopsis, nothing, just a release date. Huh. That seems kind of backwards. I mean, the guy's got to have a hell of an agent. They just keep giving him money to make movies. Yeah. Yeah, I think this is through Universal. I think he signed a multi-picture deal.

So, keep you guys. George Martin had that. We might be in business. And lastly, sorry guys, slow news week. Nicholas Holt is in talks to join Robert Eggers, Nospharatu remake. But of course. Of course. Is it going to be Jack, Jack, do you think it's going to be another all-white cast?

Who knows? Who knows? But I don't know, Robert Eggers, I'm, you know, he's on my good director's list these days. So anything he's making, I'm going to. show up for. What do you think, Bill? If you're going to remake a movie, you know?

Is that a good one? Well, yeah, I mean, pick something ancient or pick something that, you know, they didn't do right the first time. Like, I'd love to see, I'm kind of excited about the new Mario Brothers movie coming out. Oh, come on. Are you serious? Oh, hell yeah, dude. I love Mario.

But they have another movie coming out. Is it the same two guys? Bob, I don't... No, it's... Well, he's dead. So, whatever. I could have trouble with half of that.

Okay, I guess they could see GI it, right? He's the ghost's one. It's animated, and Chris Pratt is Mario. A lot of people seem to have a problem with. I think it's going to be all right. But, like, I wouldn't be mad if they did,

like, another live action Mario, and, like, maybe you got it right this time, Because, you know, the John Linguayzamo one was, while it's fun, I enjoy watching it. It's bad. So could have done better on that one. I think you should have gone back and remade some movies that maybe didn't make it instead of remaking the big shit. Like I'm sure. There's something kind of thrilling about the trailer just because it's, you know, I think they learned from the Sonic thing.

But like, it's, it's Mario. It's Super Mario. Yeah. It looks exactly. They didn't adapt it. They just, they're just making Super Mario into a movie. So that's like, that alone is kind of cool, but you just hope that the story's good enough to waste an hour and a half on.

And Jack Black is Bowser. Oh, no shit. Sounds awesome. Yeah. I didn't know that was Jack Black. All right. So I'm sort of excited about that. I just wish they'd do like a live action.

I don't know. It was just an example. But, you know, go back and remake some shit that wasn't good the first time. Yeah. Definitely. Fair enough. Or something wailed. Yeah.

Like Osferatu. Yeah. We'll end the news on Super Mario Bros. All right. All right, Jack. You ready to take a little trip? Absolutely. All right.

Let's hit it. Let's take a little trip down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? Well, our first and only trailer is Violent Knight starring David Harbor and directed by Tommy Warcola, who was the director of Dead Snow and Homsome Gretel Witch Hunter. Was that the one with Jeremy Runner? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, that was that one was. Ah, okay. All right. Yeah. So, let me see. Quick synopsis here. Sorry, guys. when a group of mercenaries attacked the estate of a wealthy family

Santa Claus must step into Save the Day and Christmas of course, got to save Christmas. Jack, what did you think? So, I don't know if you, how many of your listeners are aware of our man Kupka over at binge media and his whole war against seeing any movie trailer ever, except for some reason

if it's a fucking Rob Zombie movie, which I can't figure that one out, but it's a whole other discussion. Yeah, I don't get, yeah, whatever. But, um, so I really don't seek out trailers too much anymore unless it's for something big, like a Marvel movie,

or I'm coming on the Horror Returns podcast and I'm going to do my trailer park roundup, you know? Yeah, there you go. This, I had heard something about this movie coming out maybe a week ago. I didn't know anything before then. watching this trailer. I sat there and I just said,

you know what, this looks like a grindhouse movie. This has the feel of, you know, there are going to be cheesy one-liners. David Harbour's playing Santa Claus, but he's not going to be like the fat man in the red suit and he's not trying to put on a voice.

He's literally just going to be David Harbor with fucking beard. He's going to beat the fuck out of some bad guys. You've got John Leguizamo. I'm in, man. this trailer was fun. It said from the producers of Bullet Train, which was, what the fuck does that mean? But Bullet Train was a fun flick.

Right. If it's got that kind of vibe, I'm down. This looks like a lot of fun. Yippie Kaye, motherfucker. This looks like, this looks like, yeah, it straight up is pretty awesome. I'm loving it. You know, David Harbor is Santa Claus,

and he's just kicking ass. like it looks like a lot of fun so i'm excited all right lance bring us down die hard but with with santa claus speaking of male gibson somebody watched fat man and got an idea and of course you've got to save the rich little family so they can buy all the christmas presents for santa to deliver right so there's your drop of cynicism, but I'll watch it, fuck it. My wife makes me watch a Christmas movie with her every day for 31 fucking days starting on Thanksgiving, so I'll make sure we sneak this one in. So don't worry, boys.

I'll be checking it out. It looks like time for his season's beating. It's awesome. He's killing somebody and saying, no, how do you? Right. Only thing better would be if they could get Arnold, huh? But he's maybe a little too aged for that, huh? I don't know.

I'm kind of like in David Arbor. Like, it's a stupid fucking premise for a movie, but it looks like they're aware of that. So I don't know. I mean, it looks fun to me. You know, two minutes, 20 seconds, and I'm totally sold. You know what the first thing I did was I finished that trailer and I immediately texted my buddy. We go to movies all the time, the two of us. I text them, like, dude, I think this is going to be one for us, but we may need to be drunk walking into the theater.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. A little eggnog, huh? Yeah, yeah, a little something. All right, this one comes to theaters December 2nd, and it might show up on our schedule. And that's all the trailers.

All right, let's move on to some listener feedback. This week, the podcast Spotlight shines on Gag Me with a Knife. Does it sound comfortable? Jesus Christ. Every Wednesday, best friend's talk. talk slashes. This podcast is for everyone. You don't have to love slasherers to love this podcast, as

it's hilarious as much as it is informative. Your favorite final girl, final boy, and your favorite final babysitter have been watching slasters for most of their lives and love the comedic aspect of them among all the gore and slashing.

Don't worry about having seen the movies. We guarantee you'll be laughing and having a great time whether you've seen the movie or not. Sounds pretty good. Gag me with a knife, guys. Go check that one. As he does every Halloween, our friend Marcus Will Turner weighs in on the group page

with his 31 days of horror watches. Always great reviews. We got a couple of them here. Number one, brain scan. Figured this humble schmo would start the fifth annual horrorathon with an under-the-radar CD-ROM 90s classic recommendation from the year this virtual

yarn wasn't a full win or misstep. But definitely something to scan your cranium and see what comes from it. Whether a literal hypnotic trip or a mild problematic sedation. I enjoy brain scan for what it is, but

classic. That's stretching it. All right. I'm going to wait to drink some more whiskey until after I finish this one. No exit is number two. A premise worthy of Alfred Hitchcock, completely with a heavily flawed protagonist

and characters who are not what they seem. A setting worthy of Dean Kuntz with surrounding acting as both an unyielding obstacle and metaphorical walls closing in on a near claustrophobic degree. And a bloody overflow worthy of Alexandra AHA where violence is callous and unmistakable. The pot boiler of a thriller cleverly builds the tension strongly in the first half of its runtime

before the delivering a plethora of twists that are unsurprising yet equally shocking and tantalizing. I'm sorry if I'm butchering your shit, man. I wasn't super impressed with this one. Were you guys? Jack, have you seen this? No exit? I don't even remember. I think it's a Hulu movie, Brian?

Yeah, it was okay. Yeah, it was all right. It was tight. That was about it. Came out earlier this year, maybe. Something about in a cabin, right? It looked like a cabin. I think it was a rest out.

Was it, I'm trying to think of the cover. Was it the woman that played the meth head and Breaking Bad in that ATM episode? And it was like Dennis Haysberg or something? Yes. You got it. Okay, yeah. My crackhead and the president sitting next to each other, right? I just remember her face because it's like she's really good at being a horrifying meth head, so.

Right. Very distinctive look, you know. Method acting. Mathetic. Number three is killing ground. You guys seen that one? No. I'm not sure what this sounds like five different movies.

Okay. He says, art imitating life, hellish and psychotic, a nihilistic reminder of what it can bring upon those who just want to have a quiet getaway, only to arrive at a stable ground, drenched in dread and death. Yep, another reason why don't go camping.

Thanks, horror moves. Yeah, that's the book. Sounds a little bit like that, that movie that we saw earlier with Beth Dutton from Yellowstone in it. What movie was that right? It was a bear attack or whatever? No, it was the,

Damn it. Help me out here, Brian. The one where they, her and Magneto go on holiday. Oh. Eden late. Evening the British kids. Yeah. Eden late. Oh, I heard that's pretty good.

That one is pretty good. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, I was surprisingly impressed with that one. Nice. All right. Bloody hell. Number four.

I don't know. I don't know what that is he. I need to bone up on my home. Hell. Okay. Ah, bloody hell. Sounds like a New Zealand movie or something, right, Jack? Yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. Overall, this graphic and freaky treat has all the markings of an honest-to-god cult classic that sure to stand the test of time. Maybe. Bole-C. Watch it when you want something simplistic, cheeky, frenzied, rough, and above all else, richly entertaining, as all B-Movie's styling should be. Bloody Hell, okay.

I wonder where that one is. Okay, here's one we've seen. Scream 2022, number five. There you go. One of the greatest slashes of all time has returned with a new film. This time, the wit, irony, shrieks, and violence are as sharp as the, and white hot as ever. Bottom line, I absolutely adored this movie, can't deny it, won't deny it. It's a supremely sensational addition to the entire institution in every single aspect.

It's addictively fresh, witty, hilarious, wicked, and insanely entertaining. A sleek and ferocious treat and a half that masterfully honors its roots, crafting a spectacular entry in a series that continues to elevate itself, classically and modernly. Might even be better than scream. three. Yeah. I think he writes his shit to try to trip me up. The Forever Purge. There you go.

Number six. Imagine it. Leaving your country and homeland because it's been violently overrun by corruption and drug cartels. I imagine a lot of people can imagine it. Enveloping every street corner, capital, and hillside. A new frontier, the land of the free. And then without sufficient warning or provocation, the purge happens.

And you're viciously reminded that this land is their land from California to New York Islands. And not only do they hate sharing it with those like you, they want to keep it their lands, immaculate and righteous by cleansing it with your blood by any means necessary. Woody Guthrie couldn't have got it more wrong. Jesus Christ. Thank you. Wow. This is one I haven't seen. This is a blind spot.

Oh, no, wait. The Forever Purge. We reviewed this one, yeah. Okay, yeah. So much you liked it. You don't remember. Yeah, so much I liked it. Okay.

The QAnon shaman was on the... I don't like the fucking message of this movie. Yeah. Let's see. Regarding Hallie and Chloe Bailey, our Amsaurus, says they look like creatures from the first VHS. They cute, but those foreheads look weird. this is another late night posting

Al keep him coming man keep drinking and keep those late night post coming like a five head Brian posted a poll in the group with the new Hellraiser film coming out soon what's your favorite one of the franchise so far and of course

the OG is running away with it at 57% of the total votes Zim Vader says three because of CD head. I need to bone up on my hill raisers, man. I don't know if I've ever actually seen all of them. You don't need to. You don't need to.

I know that I've seen some of them, but it's kind of like nightmare. Yeah, not nightmare on Friday the 13th. Right. Like, I don't think I've seen all of them, but at some point, who cares? I went through the franchise the past couple weeks, and we, we, we, will not be doing a retrospective on Hellraiser. Yeah. No need, huh?

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review us on whatever thing you're watching or listening. Yeah, whatever platform you choose. The thing, you know. All right. Featured attractions. This week, we go to hell with the brand-new Hellraiser, as well as the 1987 original. Taking a lot of people's advice.

Just going to Hill. 1987 is what we'll start with A woman discovers the newly resurrected partially formed body of her brother-in-law Wait, what? Oh This is getting kind of porn hubby there for a minute She starts killing for him to revitalize his body

So he can escape the demonic beings that are pursuing him After he escapes their sadistic underworld Is that her brother? Oh, I guess it is. her brother-in-law. Okay. Help me, stepbrother. I'm stuck. All right.

Director and writer is Clive Barker, known for numerous short stories and novels, and also Nightbreed, and, you know, Clyde Barker. During an interview with Doug Bradley, during an interview, Doug Bradley described hell as a prison. The Cenobites are the prison guards.

Penhead is the prison warden. puzzle box is the key to the prison cell, and the demons are the escaped inmates. Hmm, that makes sense. Doug Bradley... I don't know about that. It might be a stretch, but I guess I can see it. Doug Bradley was originally offered a choice of roles between one of the mattress movers and the lead Cinebite.

He nearly turned... He nearly turned down the lead Cinebite role, as he originally thought it was important that as a new film actor, the audience should see his face. well they do sort of all right but i mean passing up lead mattress mover though i don't know i know no that's that's tough man that could be a career mistake and i know i've moved some mattresses in my day all right jack falvey what do you think about the original hellraiser

um so this was the first time i'd watched it in a long long time yeah i'm I remember I don't remember the first time that I will I've probably seen this movie twice for certain maybe three times and the first time I saw it I remember watching it and not

getting on its wavelength at all like I found a lot of it to be distracting it was clear that the effects were like very very cheap the audio was like clearly 80 yard after the fact with a lot of characters, you know, which usually means that, like, they couldn't record on set or somebody

fucked up in casting and they didn't like the voice of the guy that is in the movie, so they change it afterwards, you know? Are you saying this looked like a Charles Band production? I mean, it looks a little bit like a Sergio Leone movie, but at least there, they're all speaking five different languages. Here, everybody's speaking English and the mouse moving with the words, so it's, it's weirder, but, you know, so there's, there's like some distracting technical stuff with the movie that I remembered. But I tried to put that aside watching it this time. And I think there's

something to be said for, you know, obviously, you guys review a lot of horror in genre movies. And it's one thing to say, like, yeah, you know, a younger person probably shouldn't watch this because there's too much sex or, like, the Gore's really bad or whatever. Yeah, we tried to start this one and it was like after like the second or third sex scene I was like all right maybe this is not the movie well that's the thing right like Hellraiser is is

very like Hellraiser is very much an adult movie because it has to do with with like a deranged person looking for the ultimate pleasure in life and that being the thing that causes all everybody's problems right but that's I don't know

that's a fairly high concept idea that I don't think like a kid would get or care about, you know? But yeah, so I think that like years of experience help with understanding

the story here. But I will say one of my other issues with this movie has always been that I've never understood the details of it. Like yeah. So this guy

you know, you figure out by the end of the movie, but this guy uses a box, summons the centibytes, because he wants to have the ultimate experience in pleasure, and it turns out they offer the ultimate experience in pain, right? Right. So somehow, he escapes them as a, like,

piece of heart in his attic, and he gets resurrected by eating corpses or, like, consuming them. and just like the details of the lore and like, what the f-like? It's fun to watch, but it's like, you know. Maybe make some jumps. Well, like, you know, I'm, you think of Friday the 13th, right? And it's a very simple, easy to latch onto story. You know, kid is left to drown in the lake.

The mother takes revenge on all the counselors that, you know, didn't go and save him because they were banging. Like, it's stupid, simple, but, like, you can follow that. Hellraiser, even watching it today or, you know, in the last week, you just get the sense that, like, whatever's in the book, it didn't all translate the screen. Like, even Clive Barker directing and writing this, he still couldn't figure out how to make the whole story work, you know? So I thought that was really noticeable. I mean, Brian, what would you think?

Am I on my mind here? Or is it like, it's tough, right? Like, the logic is tricky. Yeah, there's no explanation of why he gets to come back, other than he says he escaped him. He just says it and we're just supposed to go with it. And he already knows how to regenerate his body. I don't know why he would have that information.

You know, he's supposed to be a pretty. prisoner in hell, but he seems to know a whole lot of the ends and outs of being there. That's true. Now, is it hell, though? Do they're hell? I don't know if it's hell. Yeah. Just some kind of interplanetary weirdness.

Well, at the beginning, they said that the puzzle box could show you the greatest pleasures or the greatest pain, so maybe there's other ways you can go based on how you can figure. this in this world well in the centibites world pleasure is pain pain is pleasure so right right well I have to say the one thing that came

across better watching it this time was I understood more that like the centipites aren't evil right they're just they're just like beings looking to experience things like

it's not like they're not like they're going after somebody because they just want to fucking torture this person. It's like, no, you opened the box, we came. Like, it's very simple. Like, you want to engage with us, we will engage with you to your detriment. You know what I mean? So I kind of, I did really like picking up on that this time around.

And we'll show you the all of the extenses of human sensation. Yeah. Right. Right. Lance? Yeah, this is one that I watched quite a bit because I had read all the Clyde Barker books of blood

and that Hailbound part was a short story in that. Probably just about all the short stories from all three of those books have been made into movies at this point. I think they've made almost as many Clyde Barker movies as they have Stephen King sometimes. So this was like a short story and not a novel? It was a short story. I guess you'd call it a novella.

Maybe it was about 100 pages or something like that. Okay. There's some stuff that I think they get right in the remake that they kind of left it out of this one, which we'll go into later, just a few details that were kind of, I thought they were paying close attention to the story. But of course, Clyde Barker wrote this, right? So surely he, maybe he just had trouble expanding it out or something like that, because Jack is spot on when he says that it doesn't really do any world building. It just kind of starts you there and takes you somewhere else.

it's a good study on, you know, really fucked up evil, or not necessarily evil, but just, what would you say? People that kind of let their passions get away from them and do things they shouldn't do, like what Julia does. You know, obviously the brother-in-law is just an absolute shit, right? Frank, you know, he's a bastard. You know, you can see him doing all sorts of things to all sorts of people and enjoying it, no doubt. And it's kind of funny at the beginning of it. I'd forgotten how cheesy that intro was with a close-up on the dirty fingernails. And, you know, he's over there. Oh, the Magwai.

Oh, you know, and he's a guy saying, you know, take it. That's exactly what it was. He says, it belongs to you. It always has or something like that. So, okay, great. I see what we're getting here. So this isn't going to stand up because I watched it three or four times when I was, you know, younger, but hadn't seen it probably since the,

mid to late 90s. Yeah. But it's a pretty decent. I guess you would have to say it's a pretty decent character study on what people do when they let their passions get out of control. Like I said, Frank, Julia,

and then you've got poor Garrick from Deep Space Nine, or Larry, as they call him in here. And he's that poor bastard. Oh, he's a guy from Dirty Harry too, isn't he? Yeah, I was going to say he's the Gemini killer, right? That's right.

Or is it Gemini? Is it Gemini? Or is that Exist Just three? whatever it is, it's the zodiac equivalent, whatever. What do you think? Is that it, Brian? I think so. But, no, like.

He's just clueless. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, uh, but, uh, but no, I mean, I, I think the thing I picked up most this time was that the, like, almost all the characters are acting out of blind love. Like, that's all their motivations. So, so, like, Larry, the father, he's trying to make a home. for him and his wife because he loves her. And he wants things to work out.

And he wants his daughter to be there. And he wants everybody to get along. So he's trying to have like a love for his family or use the love for his family to make their lives better, right? Julia clearly loves Frank more than she loves Larry. And maybe that's more lust, but it doesn't really matter. Like she is completely blinded by the fact that he's asking her to kill for him, right?

I mean... Especially since he doesn't have any skin. She's also blinded by how he looks, right? Like, she's just willing to go along to get along, which is fucked up. But, but yeah. And then Frank, well, Frank maybe is more just out of self-interest, but probably because he's a narcissist and just loves himself.

Love himself, sure. Yeah, the only one who's... Searching for the ultimate high, right? Yeah, the only one who's not acting on that is, is, is, is Kirstie, which, you know, that's part of why she's, she, her character goes the way that it does, right? I mean, she's the only person that kind of takes a step back, and she's, she's just caught up in something that she absolutely didn't ask for.

It's just pure happenstance that she has to deal with this crazy fucking situation, you know? What was that, what threw me off? Brian, what did you get out of this when the homeless dude that looked a lot like Aqualong, when Ian Anderson dresses up like I'm going. He looks as long. Why the fuck did he come into the pet store? Why did he grab the puzzle box out of the fire at the end? What am I missing?

He's supposed to be like the Harbinger, the puzzle box. Okay. Keeper or something. He shows up in other movies, well, played by different. He's always like a vagrant or something. Okay, so he's a recurring character. I was freaking Satan if this is hell, but they sort of seem like aliens more than spiritual. I don't know why he shows up in the pet shop and eats a bunch of crickets.

Yeah, that's weird. I was hungry. Yeah, well, that too. Actually, I thought he looked like the vagrant behind the Winkies in Mulholland Drive at the beginning. Oh. I don't know if David Lynch maybe. like was yeah like subliminally influenced a little bit you know because kind of had the same like dirt kicked on long hair creepy eye thing going on oh god yeah all right don't even need the makeup so and rewatching it a couple things because I this was originally I watched this when I was super young it always felt like a movie I shouldn't be watching when I was watching it right yeah but watching it now there's just a couple things I don't quite

understand. Is this in America or England? I guess America, right? I'll see why not. I mean... Didn't most of them have U.S. accents? I mean... Yeah, that's what I was thinking, in accents. Why? I mean, he's a British writer, but... I was wondering the same thing. I wasn't sure. I'm a little confused by the...

By where it takes place. Okay. Just the few times they're outside and some of the surroundings. and then I know there was, as Jack pointed out, there's some people's voice getting dubbed over, and I think some of them weren't British or weren't American. I forgot how it goes, but it's kind of confusing. And then another thing. They had to edit out the English Bobby thing.

Okay. And later on, when we get to the big. climax of the movie and all the Cinebites are coming after, I guess, everybody. Can Cinebites die in our universe? Because the fat one seems to be killed by the house collapsing on him. Is he?

Well, a B. He didn't really do much, did he? He's just sort of a set piece. You know what he reminded me of? He reminded me of two things, actually. Lizzo? Okay, three. So that, was it blade?

The first or the second blade? There's a scene where he goes to some some vampire to get information, and he's, like, fat and disgusting, and he uses the UV flashlight on him. Kind of reminded me of that. And then it also reminded me a little bit of, oh, God, was it, it wasn't the bullet farmer.

It was the other guy in Mad Max Fury Road. One of the leaders of those factions, like, like, Gasoline now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That dude who had like nipple rings on and all that shit, the fat bastard with the diabetic feet and everything. Find me that, dude. Yeah, I can't totally disagree with you.

I mean, I think this is definitely a classic horror movie. Character design is fucking amazing. I mean, you don't get better than Pennhead and the Cinebites, you know? they're kind of terrifying. But yeah, fun special effects, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Special effects are good. I like the skin ripping apart. They had a lot of practicals that were pretty awesome. Right. But yeah, the story is slightly convoluted and doesn't quite hold up if you go back and rewatch. People are going to fucking hate us for this.

You understand that, right? I don't think so. Not at all, man. honest. I think the second one's far better than this one. Is it? That's my opinion. Spar alert.

You check it out. I think it's... See, the way that I would say this is like, yeah, it's great that it spawns these characters in this franchise, but I've only ever seen the first one and now the remake, which we'll talk about. All I have ever heard, and the first one never impressed me enough to make me watch the sequels ever, you know? Yeah.

But my whole thing is, like, I think this movie is... is iconic, I don't think it should be called a classic, because I don't think that it's a great movie. I think there is a good story here, but it's just not put together right. Like, there's pieces of it missing, and like there are great ideas, but I just don't think that it all comes together

in something that makes a lot of sense. So for me, I would call it iconic. I think that obviously the character designs, the centipites, the idea behind it is really interesting. But it's almost also one of those things where, and I haven't seen the sequels, but this first movie, it doesn't even define

really all the rules of what to do going forward. They seem like they kind of make up the rules as they go along anyway. Yeah, I always kind of felt like they kind of threw you into a world where they expected you to know what's going on. Sure, yeah, good way to put it.

Good way to put it. I think, yeah, I think that's a great point. I think that this movie could have benefited from 15 more minutes of some fleshing out of the ideas and maybe some exposition of like... Some Christopher Nolanism? Anything. You know, it doesn't have to be on that level, but, you know, I certainly would enjoy it. But, you know, just give the audience a little bit more of a bearing of what these, you know, you don't need to start getting on the nose about everything. Yeah, I don't need to know that, you know, is this hell or is this like some cosmic entity and they're being portled into a ship somewhere?

You know, I don't need to be told that. I just need to know what those things like represent or mean or like what the, how they go back to the main theme of the story. There's a lot of that stuff missing from this that I think is why I've never been able to like latch on to it, you know? Kind of like phantasm a little bit? Yeah, actually. Yeah. Although, you know, having said that, though, there is something to be said about leaving it a little bit mysterious and weird, you know? Like, there's kind of a mystery behind it.

It's like some sort of ancient thing that we're, like you said, we're not, like a movie that I wasn't supposed to be watching. Maybe this is some shit we shouldn't know, you know. Ah, okay. Makes sense. That part is kind of cool about it, but it's still a slightly confusing movie. We'll see if they fix that in the next one. All right. Scores from 1 to 10.

Jack, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, this is going to sound a little bit harsh, but I think for me, it's a, it's a six. I would give this a 6 on a 10. I think that there's a. Yeah, you know, I didn't GC it. No, not quite, not quite. but I think there's some iconic visuals here.

I think that there are some great ideas. There's obviously a reason why there are now 11 Hellraiser movies. You know, it's iconic, it's all those things. And it does have a really good score. Yeah. Yeah, the characters are why there's so many of these movies. Characters are good here, and the score, I will definitely call that. I really like the score to this.

But yeah, there's a lot of potential. I just wish it was. I don't know if it was budget or time constraints or whatever. I just wish it came together a little bit better. Understandable. Brian, what do you think? I'm going to go slightly a little bit higher with seven. I do agree with you, Jack.

I wouldn't say classic. I would say iconic because that gave us characters that people that, if you never seen the movie, you know the character, you know Pennhead. Yeah. You might even know the Cinebites. and I appreciate the... Yeah, with the teeth at least. Yeah, chatter.

I do like the practical effects they used, but I kind of think maybe this kind of fell short with the explanation of things with this being Clyde Barker's first movie he directed and not really being a director. So I don't think he... He didn't Maxim overdrive it, though, right? No, because

this movie would have been a slightly little bit higher on my score if it was. That shit crazy and high on cocaine and the whole filming, huh? Yeah. And like I said, the You can have a ton of Coke before they started. The movie that came after this, I held a slightly

a little bit higher than this one. Oh, help them? Yeah, I think they introduce a couple more things that kind of explain things a little bit better. So I would definitely recommend somebody watch that one and

yeah, seven. All right. Lance? For all the reasons everybody said, seven. Iconic characters, memories of watching it,

you know, when it was a lot newer and Clyde Barker. I can't go above seven on this watch, I'm afraid. Yeah. I'm going to go seven and a half

because it is iconic and because of the characters. Without the Cinebites and Without Penhead, maybe more like a four or five. Yeah, even Kirstie, she's not even the top final girl. She doesn't really do much in this. Yeah.

Well, if you took the centa bytes out of it, it's basically just like a chamber drama, you know? I mean, honestly, it's like a Gothic family chamber drama. Yeah. You got to have Mark Strong in there somewhere, right? Yeah, or like Derek Jacoby or something. British Shakespearean actors. Step it up from the Gemini killer, but, you know. Oh, man.

At least they're not marrying their sister. Game and thrilled. All right. Yes, yes. There are, what, 10 more movies in this series, so maybe. Yeah. And Brian can tell us. He does try to get somewhere with his niece.

Frank. Yes, he does. Yeah, he does. Who's your daddy? It's a weird thing. Your niece. Especially when he's wearing her daddy's face. Rough stuff, man.

All right. Let's move on to Hellraiser 2022. See what you guys think about it. The feminist Hellraiser. A take on Clyde Barty's Clyde Barker's

1987 horror classic where a young woman struggles with addiction comes into possession of an ancient puzzle box unaware of its purpose is to summon the cinnobites. Director is

David Bruckner, also known for the ritual and the nighthouse. Writers are Ben Collins, Luke Piatrowski, and David Goyer. This is the first Hellraiser movie

to have a female pinhead. In Clive Barker's original novella, the Hellbound Heart Penhead, a title Barker dislikes, preferred Hell Priest, which was not used before Barker's 2015 novel, The Scarlet Gospels, is described as modified to the point that it appears sexless. Oh, that makes sense. With this reboot, all primary golden age slasher icons of the 1970s and 80s have been remade. Leatherface, Texas chainsaw massacre franchise in 2003. Michael Myers

Halloween in 2007. Jason Forhees Friday the 13th in 2009. Freddie Kruger on a night on Elth Street, 2010. Yeah, not the best many. Let's forget Jackie Earl Krueger, okay? And of course, Chuckie, Child's Play, 2019,

and now Pennhead, 2022. What do you guys think about this? Jack. Go. Well, everything I said about the first film and the world building being kind of tough and a feeling incomplete and not really knowing like exactly what the elements of the plot were, huge improvement in the remake, in my opinion.

Because you know exactly what the stakes are, who's involved, why it's happening, what is happening. I really, really liked the way that they, you know, I think they called this a reimagining, right? It's not just a remake. It's like a full sort of concept overhaul. Yeah, I think, sorry, not to cut you off. I think I read that Clyde Barker called it a reconfirming. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Well, it's funny. It reminded me, it's a very different kind of movie, but it reminded me a little bit of bleed around 2049 because when I saw that I walked out of that movie thinking wow you know that is somebody who understands the point of Blade Runner better than I ever did you know and I feel like whether it's one of the writers or Bruckner or whoever you know this is a this is a remake dumped on Hulu but man I got to tell you I think they did a really good job in fact I would go so far as to say of all

of those classic slasher movie remakes, I think this is the best one. I really do. I think it understands the story that it's telling. I think that the production design is awesome. Right. And I love that they lean more into the cosmic horror side of things, you know? Yeah. I think that makes it a lot clearer and it makes it more palatable for a audience. And I think, well, not a perfect story, I think a better story, you know. But I don't know, Phil, what did you think of this? Yeah, no, I love the whole cosmic horror aspect of it. And it sort of makes you think about what religion and what hell is. But beyond the, you know, bigger questions is,

does the story make sense? And yes, it does. I think it's very clear-cut. Like you said, man, the story actually works. I like, they made the story more complicated with the six different configurations and all that. Right. I mean, we know. We'll go into it in spoilers. But it's more clear-cut what's happening and why it's happening.

More fleshed out. Right. Yeah, more fleshed out. And I really love the Cinebiteabon. designs. Right. I mean, did they have to be all female? Probably not, but that's cool.

Were they all female, though? I don't know. They look kind of adrogynous. Except maybe the other one. Yeah, they sort of did look androgynous, so that works. I didn't have a problem with any of it, man. I thought they were really cool. I loved the whole pinhead thing.

The one with the vagina and that thing. That one was pretty cool. She talked a lot. Hell, they were all kind of scary, man. They did great character design in this

one. Less grotesque and more fashionably mutilated. Ah, okay. Like body modification. I think looking at the castles, I think two were men and

two were women. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, fucking I retract my statement. And that was, they totally pulled that off. I really liked that all of the clothing that they were wearing was body modifications.

Like there was no more leather. Really cool. Everything looked like this. A little bit of, I don't know, HR Geiger inspired, I think, a little bit. Yeah, definitely. Leading into that, like, cosmic and like, you know, you're looking at it and you're like, that's like just on the edge of maybe somebody could do that if they stretched their skin out and not you know what I mean like it was creepy maybe like uh maybe like afterlife Cronenberg

yeah well actually like like we were talking about earlier the the the body modification and ending up super androgynous which sort of seems to be the society that we're you know running towards you know maybe in a thousand years who fucking knows Where does body modification go to after this? Maybe it looks like that. These guys from the future. Yeah. You know?

I don't know. I mean, I'm good like this. I'm fine. I mean, I've got to wear glasses, but I'll live with it. Well, I'll be dead by then, but I'm curious. And no, I totally think this worked. And I liked what they did with the whole center. They played like a bigger part in this one than in the original.

And I think that was perfect. And I like the, well, we'll get into that in spoilers, but like the main guy at the beginning of the movie who summons the cenobites. I kind of like what they did with him at the end, even though he's not in a large portion of the movie. Yeah. Brian, what do you think? I really enjoyed this one. I mean, my judgment might be helped out by the fact that I watched all 10 other Hallraiser movies. So there was a certain point where this movie would have succeeded,

even if it was a horrible movie compared to probably the last six or seven. Was Brian, was judgment the last one until this one? I think if that's the one with Heather Langhamcamp, I think, it was was that the one with the fat Doug Bradley doesn't play

pinhead it's a fat pinhead there was Doug Bradley didn't play pinhead in the last

two okay so if it's a fat pinhead did they rename a pincush

they should have they really should have he was a little bloated in the face so no bueno

oh boy you can buy him at the love sack I I liked the changes to it. I felt like it explained the world a little bit more. Like there was a little bit more to just somebody, you know,

playing with the box and just some of the Cinebites, there was a little bit more to, if you wanted the ultimate pleasure, you had to do a little bit more. You had to sacrifice, you know, we'll get to all that in spoilers. But I like the journey that you had to get to get to that ultimate prize and I like that we got to see a little bit of the the other world kind of how it would mix in with the when the Cinebites were called and it would mix in with the walls the walls would collapse backwards and things would open up I enjoyed all that I liked the look of the Cinevites so like you said Jack it was more body modification than than leather you know well the one that was all like black was was that one in leather like it like the chatter one i think that was just the skin

yeah that was cool yeah i really liked that one yeah yeah yeah i mean and then the one the chatterer one had like a pronounced sort of uh shoulder line almost like uh how do you describe this you could see where some it was almost as if somebody had pierced their skin in these like riveted spots. So it created this like straight line across the shoulder, which I thought was like a really wild and like weird look. But the more you look at it, you're like, I guess I guess if you stretched your skin enough,

you could actually do that. You know, so that the one that was like, I don't know, like bulging eyes and just like like a red, bloody mound of a face. That one would seem more ridiculous if the other ones didn't have a kernel of like, well, maybe you could do that, you know? I feel like it helps. The design of some of the others help the more outlandish design of like that one. And one that pops up later, which I won't mention without the spoiler stuff. Yeah.

But, yeah, like, I don't know. They kind of, like, they buy some goodwill from you earlier in the movie so they can show you some crazier, in my opinion, crazy-looking centa-wights later in the movie. That's one I wanted to talk about. Yeah, yeah. And real quick, Jamie Clayton, I think she did phenomenal as the Hell Priest, because she's not even listed

in the IMDB as Pennhead. They used the actual name from the book. And I like the look of her. And I like what they did with the voice, too. It was kind of modified. Oh, yeah. That was a trip. That was a trip.

The only down part, I don't know if I like the main girl. Something. Really? Something about her face. Yeah. Bothered me. She didn't bother me. Jesus.

Brian. I'm sorry. I'm with Brian. I'm with Brian. She, uh... All right. Fair enough. She'd stick a few more classes, I think.

Yeah. What's that? She'd stick a few more acting classes. It might help her out. Yeah, it's just. We're coming off of Kirstie, and I already said she didn't really do much as a final girl. Sure, sure. This one did a little bit more.

Sorry, Bright. Go ahead. I was just going to say, like, you know, this movie also reminded me of the Evil Dead remake because you have a character who is recovering from addiction that gets wrapped up in some sort of supernatural bullshit, right? Okay. So if you're thinking of that, and that was like Jane Levy, you're like, oh, man, that was like a really interesting and cool performance. And then you get this one, it's kind of just like, eh, a little lazy. Maybe that's it.

Maybe I didn't really buy her as recovering. Yeah. I could be, yeah. I mean, she had that, there's a part where she does take something, but she seems to snap out of it. I'm, well, I guess it's here. She doesn't sell it, huh? Yeah, I guess it was kind of forcing. I mean, now that you're bringing up Jane Levy from Evil Dead, you know, I bought her as a recovering addict in that one.

So, but yeah, that's probably my only downside was I just wasn't really filling the main actress. All right. Lance? I like what they did visually here. I like what they did with shapes and geometry. I like what they did with almost kind of like a not a steampunk look, but, you know, just sort of, I don't know how to explain it, like almost mixing of man and machine in certain scenes. and then you've got, you know, these old school, see, I don't want to give too much away. It's, it was very interesting the way they played with your perceptions with the geometry. Not only the box itself, but, you know, the settings, the other world that they went to, things like that.

You kind of felt like you were stepping into an MC Escher painting or something like that where down is up and up is down and, you know, it's square, but then it turns into a triangle. and I thought they did a great job. Visually, this movie was fucking superb. I'm really pissed that this wasn't on the big screen. I really would have preferred to have come to the things, man. Yeah, this was just, this was epic, man. Hulu's going for it. I'm telling you, they're swinging for the fences.

There's, um, so, so as you guys know, Disney owns Hulu now. Yes, yes. There's a, that's why we can't get our NBC stuff on it anymore. Right. Right, right. You got to get the copy now. I read somewhere, and if I can find the article, I'll send it to you.

Maybe you could push it out to your listeners. But there was some stipulation that if a film goes theatrical under the Disney banner, I'm sorry, if a film goes theatrical under what used to be 20th century Fox and it goes into a theater, it would have to go to, I think, HBO Max. and by not putting it in a theater, Disney now owns it and can just put it straight out on Hulu to bolster the Hulu numbers. And that, it sounded like that's what happened with Prey, I believe.

Yeah, I think you're right. And this. And there may be a couple other films that they still need to have released that may end up going that route. It sounds, you know, super shitty, like, you know, businessmen and suits kind of decision. But I'll find the article. I might have some of the details there wrong,

but it's some kind of. contract bullshit that allows some of these movies to not get theatrical releases because of the, you know, the home video release methodology. I mean, I guess it's a gamble, but it seems like it could have made more in the theaters than, although, you know, I don't know what. Ah, there's a, I think there's a pretty big streaming. Yeah, I think there's a big cult following. Yeah. Even after all the shitty part seven and part 12 and everything. Like, break is pretty badass, man.

I would have gone to see it in theaters. Right. Unlike Halloween ends, which I'm going to watch on the cock. New you would, Lance. That really is a thing now, isn't it? It is. Watch a lot of things on the cack. Let's see scores.

Then we'll roll to spoilers. Jack, 1 to 10. Yeah, I can't, you know. I reviewed this the other day on the Bingecast. I can't remember what number I gave it, but it's like a really strong seven for me. I've almost got a mind

to re-watch it, too. Better than the original, then. I think it definitely is. And I actually, I want to see more from this team with more, more Hellraiser another Hellraiser sequel. I want to see them flesh the idea out more.

You know, bring back Jamie Clayton, see another story that they could tell with these ideas. It kind of, you know, Tenet came out a couple of years ago. I loved the concept of Tenet, and I never want to see a sequel to Tenet, but I want to see somebody else make a story using those time mechanics, you know? Yeah. I kind of feel the same thing about this. Like, I don't necessarily need a sequel to the main character of this movie,

but I would love to see different characters dealing with Pinhead and Centibytes. Like, it's just a cool cosmic horror. thing now that I'm very much into. Well, and all of the other optional configurations. Right. Exactly. I'm curious. I'm going to give it a...

I'm going to give it an eight and a half, man. Damn. Yeah, I think it was better. I think it was one point better than the original. Okay. Because the story made more sense. I don't know if I liked the Cinebite design better. but and like it worse.

Fair enough. I'll take that. They sort of took what was already there and made it more, like I said, fashionable. But it makes sense. I like the way they did it. Brian? I gave the original seven,

the sequel after that, I would have to give it at eight. I'm going to put this one right in the middle with seven and a half. Nice. I like that they kind of updated the look of the centibytes, made it a little bit more sleek, more modern. I like that some of the, I guess the mythos, the background, the story was a little bit more fleshed out. I think Jamie Clayton was awesome as the hell priest. One downside I already said was the main actress. She didn't do horrible.

It's just I wasn't buying her at certain parts. of the movie. So, yeah, I'm going to give it a strong seven and a half. I really think Hulu's doing Hulu and the 20th Century Studios is really doing a lot of good things here. There's a lot to build off of

that they want to continue this. Yeah. Lance? Yeah, it's a strong movie. I'll give it. I'm giving it a seven. I'm giving it the same score as I gave the first one, but maybe over time, you know, as a

as I watch both of them, you know, back to back like this, maybe this one will elevate a little bit. It's just, I don't know, man. Maybe it's the old man in me, but I just, I can't give it a score higher than the original, but I give it a good solid seven. I know, it's tough to. But it's a better movie.

You know when I, it is a better movie. You know when I do that when it's a better movie? All right, Jack. I'll use your half measures and go seven and a half. I don't know what you're talking about. Half measures are for pussies. All right. Spoilers.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. So I don't know about you guys, but watching a man have some sort of like stringed machine

rip through his ribcage and inner organs and like him have to just fucking live and deal with that oh god I guess the strings were supposed to be his his nerves his nerves nerve endings or whatever that was that was his prize that that was his prize the ultimate pleasure which I don't believe that's what he asked for he wanted he wanted the audience with Leviathan

right well yeah but then he chose the liminal thing which was sensation ah okay and so he wanted I mean I'm sure he was thinking pleasure and that's not what they gave him oh terrible

yeah which he he could end up being in the sequel because the the last scene was him being turned into a new centibite that was that was that was yeah I always wanted to see that that's that's something we definitely didn't get in the first movie what about any of the other films brian a lot of the

same cenobites show up and you don't really get all that there there was a point in the sequels where they kept doing this thing introducing a detective on a case trying to find out who's killing people and comes to find out it's the cenobites and he's in his own hell and they kind of did that storyline of a few times okay but you've got to have this christmas truck again. You've never seen anybody turned into a centivite, though, until now, right? I don't think so. That was interesting.

And the angel wings, wasn't that interesting. They say some call us angels, some devils. I know the bells. They refer to you hear bells when the, I guess, portal opens or when they start approaching, and that's in the story in the scarlet gospels. And, of course, as you guys mentioned before, they only refer to Pennhead as priest. So this was actually a little, it's funny to say, this was more true to Clyde Barker than Clyde Barker's movie was. I know.

That's crazy. And he's being like crucified at the end. Uh-huh. Very interesting. Great effects. I mean, if we're, and if we're talking about, you know, the centipides are hell or whatever, and he's being crucified, some call us demons, some call us angels. Yes, right. But they're actually some sort of like cosmic entity.

I that I do those are cool questions for me. Yeah, this just really reminded me of a movie that we reviewed that I know when you guys weren't too big on, but I really liked the Boyd from Steven Kuczynski because it kind of had a lot of Hellraiser inspiration and it was like kind of cosmic and I liked all that when when the Cinebites came. I mentioned how like the walls would open up or kind of like move back especially that scene when the one girl was. in the band and the whole band kind of stretched. That was really cool. That was a cool effect. Great music too, right? Like when the music from the original films kicked in. Yeah.

I guess that was Leviathan that was descending. Is that right? Or that were led to believe that that was supposed to be Leviathan? Yeah. So there doesn't seem to be some sort of higher power if Pennhead is just a like priestess. Right. What does that?

What does that look like? What do you guys think? You know, one thing that, so it's along those lines, but one of the pieces of lore that, and again, haven't seen the sequels, so I don't know if this is something that happens, but, so the whole idea of finding a configuration of the blade coming out and cutting somebody and then them being taken by the centibytes, right? So the idea that at some point, our lead character figures, huh? maybe if I just cut a centabyte, then they have to abide by their own rules, and she does it to the one, and he gets, like, ripped apart, you know. Right. That kind of suggests that there's somebody else pulling the strings, right? Like, there would have to be.

Yeah, no pun intended again, huh? Exactly. We'll pull the chains on that one. Well, yeah, no, I really like that aspect of it, too. It's just, again, like the world building, and maybe it's a little bit pedestrian, but, you know, this is a high concept, movie and you know there's one scene where pinheads talking to the main character and she's like you know bring me two more bodies and she just spells it out for you so you as a viewer have a second to be like okay two more two more configurations then it gets to the next thing like it was the script holds

your hand a little bit but i think it did a good job of like it did it well bringing anybody coming to this story for the first time in on what it is you know and i i did like at the end there there was an option. She didn't have to accept their prize. You know, basically her consolation prize was to live with the fact that you caused all these people to die. And you have to carry that burden with you. Well, she sort of did because that was the first configuration. So she chose.

It was just not one of the higher power stuff. Interesting. Now, why is it that she got cut, but it didn't take her? how was she able to break the cycle or whatever? I think it gave her the options. Yeah. Did it? Okay.

You can come. They like to. You can be the one or you can bring us more. Okay. So they were kind of using her to get to more souls or whatever, I guess. Yeah. If you will. Gotcha.

Yeah. Impressive movie. Kind of sad that I didn't get to see it on the big screen, but maybe they'll release this. Or maybe, well, so Jack, what do you think's going to happen? You're talking about all the contractual stuff. Like if it's, let's say a sequel comes out in two years from now. Do you think it would see the theater or Hulu or what would be your thought? Well, I think they then would have the option to, well, again, so I don't know all the contracts, but I would imagine that this was a film that was in production when the merger happened. So I think that films

that happened in that time span came under this weird banner of, of, you know, we'll just release straight to Hulu. I think if Disney is making the movie themselves after this point, they can basically do whatever they want with it, right? I mean, they own all these different platforms now, so. Sure. They can do what they need to. I think, but again, I'm the fucking mouse house.

Right. But yeah, but I don't know. It's, I will try to find that. The New Republic. That was interesting. Yeah, exactly. So, Jack, you like. You like Andor, huh?

Yeah, yeah, I do. Andrew's been pretty good so far. I haven't gotten into it yet. You guys checked it out? No. Not yet. Yeah, I need to watch it. Best thing since the Mandalorian I hear, huh?

Yeah, yeah, I would say so. Okay. Strong. I mean, it makes sense. They got the acting chops for it. Yeah. All right. Well, Jack, thanks for joining us, man.

What's going on at binge media these days? Yeah, so a bunch of different stuff. So the first thing I'll mention is that we're continuing our 31 days of horror commentaries. The first 10 of which, I believe, are on the free feed. And then the remainder will be on the Patreon feed, the full binge feed. So five bucks a month. Commentary a day. Exactly.

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So there's a bunch of stuff coming your way. All right. Check us out. Cool, man. It's always good to have you around, dude. Yeah, it's always great to be invited. I love hanging around with you guys. This is always awesome.

Very, very, very, very disappointed. We didn't have any Batman trailer to talk about. Give it a month. They're usually releasing something every quarter year. All right. as always we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns we would always like to hear your feedback and ideas you can reach us at thehorror returns at gmail.com or just go to our new website www.thehorrorreturns.com and go everywhere you want

from there. Brian what's coming up with anything besides 31 days or we putting all that stuff off until November? We still need to record it so we'll We'll get it. We'll get it out. One day. All right. Well, next week, it's our annual, you know it well, our annual kids' Halloween special. So hopefully somebody will say no spoilers, right, Jack? Hopefully.

And we're going to be doing Halloween ends. Are they ready for that, Brian? Jesus. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Part of the show, we're going to do Beetlejuice for the first half. Ah, okay. Then the second half, we're going to review Halloween ends. Okay. So you're at least going to have a half good show, right? Or a half show where you guys will be happy.

Yes. Who doesn't love Beetlejuice? Come on, man. Exactly. All right. I'll get on, man. My daughter will talk up his dorm, I'm sure. Oh, you know what?

Before we go, let me give you one more retro cool of the week. All right? Oh, please do. Yeah. Not super, super old, but I rewatched a Halloween movie that I haven't seen in maybe 20 years, and I fucking loved it. And I totally forgot how much I love this movie. Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow. Oh, yeah.

Long time. Nice. I had just watched the first Christopher Lee Hammer Horror Dracula movie. And I said to myself, I'm like, man, I want to watch a Hammer Horror thing I haven't seen. And then I was like, you know what? No, I don't. I want to watch Sleepy Hollow because it's pretty much. hammer horror movie anyways.

And it's got like half the cast of that movie in it. But yeah, awesome. Such a good time and yeah, it had been a while, but that's still an awesome movie. That's one I haven't seen in way too long. Yeah, me too. A lot of fun. That's

a good rewatch right there. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of fun. All right. Well, I appreciate you coming on. And as always, Brian, until the horror returns again. Goodnight.