The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #338: ThanksKilling (2008) Commentary

Episode Date: November 12, 2022

This week, we are joined by Daeron Wilson of the Psychosemantic Podcast, as well as actor Ryan E. Francis (who plays Daren in the movie) for a special holiday season commentary. We also talk about touring with punk bands and playing at the world famous CBGB in New York. Cool of the Week includes The Midnight Club, Cabinet of Curiosities, Significant Other, and The Banshees of Inisherin. Feedback will return next week, but we shine the podcast spotlight on Ghoul Kids Table podcast. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, they, them, anybody who's listening, glad to have you in. Welcome one and all to the horror returns. I'm Lance, and with me, as always, my co-host, Brian. But fear not.

Fear not. We got a full house tonight because we're bringing you a very special holiday commentary, getting ready for Thanksgiving. And we're going to be covering Thanksgiving. And we're joined by Ryan E. Francis, who plays Darren in the movie, as well as, of course, our friend Darren Wilson, who you all know and love from the Psychosomatic podcast. How's it going, guys? Fantastic. It's so good. Thanks for having me on the show. I'm super pumped to dive into some turkey giblets with you all.

Yeah, glad to have you here, man. So you were a drummer, or you still drum actively, or what's the deal? Yeah, I was like back in middle school, started a band, punk band, and we ended up playing for about 10 years. That's actually how Darren and I met. We played shows together, good old Bernie's distillery and stuff in Columbus, Ohio. And, yeah, I played drums for a really long time. And not so much anymore, I realized, you know, when you're renting an apartment, there's nowhere to play anything.

So eventually, after keeping my drums in the closet for like, you know, 10 years, I was like, I can make a pretty penny and sell these things. So sold them to pay them on rent. How awesome is that? That sucks, man. Did you at least get them back or what? No, no, no, it was kind of one of those things. It was a nice parting thing. I'm not pursuing the live band stuff anymore.

I hadn't played them in 10 years. So, you know, I took them to a used music shop and the drums were in great condition. They had a yellow body with black rims. And so my whole thought is I'm releasing you into the wild. I hope some dad and his son or someone comes in and they look at this kit and they buy their first kit or something. So I'm just, that's what I like to think. someone came in, bought their first kit because it's colorful and cool looking. So hopefully

that's what happened. That's cool, man. You can create your own fantasy, whatever you wanted to be. Right, exactly. So Darren, what was the last show you were on with us, dude? It's been a while. I think the, am I getting on a good volume, by the way? I forgot to ask in the

chat. You're good. New mic. Everybody sounds great. I think the last movie we talked about was munchies. Munchies and gullies. Wow. Those classics.

Yeah. It's been a day or two then. Okay, cool. It's been a while. All right. Well, you and I talked about bowling for Columbine next last time you came on mine. Yep. Maybe a year ago,ish, nine months ago, something like that, right?

It's been a minute. Yeah, it's been a while. Don't worry, man, though. There's been plenty of mass shooting since then. So, you know. Plenty more to talk about. Never going to run out of those. Yeah, well, man, the fact that you run a political movie discussion podcast,

I'm sure you've got a lot of, you've got a lot of material right now, man. When's the next show coming out? What do you plan to cover? Or would that be telling? No, no, no, no. I always like tempting fate and talking about episodes that haven't been recorded yet, because those never stop being, uh,

Relevant. But anyway, sorry. Those never stopped being things that fall through. The next episode, I think we'll be out next week. I'm supposed to record it next week. Also, it is probably going to talk about a few movies here and there, but our mutual friend, Heather, from the Friday Nightmares. she was writing to me she lives up in Canada for those who don't know her and she always comes to me for what the fuck is going on in America right now kind of shit okay and she wants to have a expansive discussion about the overuse

of the phrase and the idea of woke okay sure I'm not exactly sure where it's going to go, but every time we get together, we have an interesting conversation, and there will be some other things. Coming up sometime soon, but going at the schedule of my coming guest, we will be covering the Kevin Bacon horror movie, They, Them. Okay. But that one, we're just trying to solidify a date with my guest on that. All right. I know you were trying hard to get Marjorie Taylor Green to come on as a guest. Were you able to pull that off?

You know, she hasn't returned any of my phone calls. I can't imagine. She's busy talking about people quacking in their boots and the gazpacho police and all those other wonderful things that visual she creates with her horrible English. Well, hey, if I have a quick suggestion, you might be able to catch Lauren Bobart here shortly. be out of a job while we're just crossing our fingers we'll see what happens she'll get her uh her website back up and i'll be able to contact her through the there nice available for weddings and bar mitzvins when she's not out with uh ted cruz who's dodging beer cans and parades text it sir all right isn't that what happened oh yeah i think one of them he uh didn't dodge i don't know

But anyway, going back to the... That's a different show. Going back to Thanksgiving. How'd you get involved in the movie, Ryan? Yeah, so I went to high school with Jordan Downey, who's the director, writer, producer of the film. We were... He was one grade ahead of me.

We made some bad movies together. We would go out, you know, on Friday night. We would go to the video store when you could rent shit. You know, the $5, five nights, you know, five movies kind of thing. We would just rent like ice cream man, chopping mall, like all that bad stuff. And when it came time to graduate,

he went off to film school at Loyola, and I went down to OU, and a few years later, we lost touch for a while, and then it was a senior year. He came back. We met at a Jolly Pirate Donut, and he throws this script down in front of me. It's called Thanksgiving.

He's like, I just want you to read this in front of me right here at Jolly Pirate Donuts. So I did. I'm like, this is the worst thing I've ever read. It's amazing. it's so bad. And he basically just threw down like, hey, this is a student film, and we're shooting it. Like, in two weeks, you want to help me cast it? And so for there, it was just fire.

Like, that's pretty much how it started. He asked me to be, he wrote Darren the Nerd for me, which was really super fun. Very nice. All right, dude. Well, we'll talk about it a lot as we go through the movie. But we always start our show with a little something called Cool of the Week. So we'll let it, we always let our guests go first. like to and you know coolest movie you've seen this week book that you've read um tv show

concert pretty much can be anything right right brian i think it's we've even picked like a little league baseball game before it's cool of the week if i'm not mistaken yeah anything that comes to mind gotcha so like do you like uh like do you want a list of stuff or just like the one cool thing of the week i i always stick to one uh brian usually has a couple but there's no there's no rules So I just finished, I just wrapped up a series called The Midnight Club on Netflix. Ah, like Lannigan. It had a lot of mixed reviews, but I really love, yeah, I really love the guys who make this stuff because they kind of, they push the religious undertones on these shows. Kind of like Midnight Mass is one of my favorite shows of all time, because it was a very atheist perspective of religion, and I loved it.

I just adored it, and Midnight Mass was just great. It brought nostalgia from, you know, like the Are You Afraid of the Dark, like anthology kind of series shows. And it made me cry. It's very sad. There's a lot of stuff that goes on in that show. I just, I love it. It's the first time I've loved a series like that.

So, yeah. Is this the one where it broke like a Guinness record for most jump scares in an episode? It might have. Although there were a lot. There were a lot of jump scares. That's pretty much like the only, the only scary thing. about the show. It was just they, they definitely had jump scares, but that was, that was about it. All right. Yeah. It looked a little too young adult for me. Only, only gave it one episode.

You're saying, saying I should stick with it then. They get the kids, they get really deep into the kids, you know, their backstories and the, and the fictional stories that they tell in the midnight club are really, really good. There's one story that they tell. And the whole time I just thought I was on this acid trip. I'm like, did I accidentally? do some drugs before I didn't mean to, but it's messing with me. It's, I really, really enjoyed it. I thought it was a, I thought it was a very, very fun series. Nice, nice. All right, Darren, what about you, ma'am? Oh, you're on mute. Thanks. Top, top thing I would say this week has been Giermel Del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities. I haven't finished it,

but I'm a few episodes in. Gotcha. I, the, um, the Lovecraft themed one wasn't necessarily for me, but the first episode was straight up my street, anybody that knows the type of stuff I'm into. And, uh, the cemetery rats was pretty cool. Okay. So you like the first two then. Lot, lot 36. That was a good one, right? Mm-hmm. The guy from what, the Watchman series and. Oh, he's in all kinds of Cohen. All kinds of Cohen brother's shit, right?

He played that role in that first episode really well. Yes, he did. It was very believable. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a great way to keep me interested. And, I mean, I love pretty much everything I've ever seen that Geremont del Toro has brought to us. And he wrote that first episode, right?

Or it was based off a short story he wrote. I think so. So, yeah, that's probably the top one. Cool. Yeah, a lot of Netflix loves it. so far. Are you going to keep it going, Brian? I got a couple movies. One

I was really looking forward to and the other one I was not really looking forward to and it actually ended up kind of swapping by the time I watched both of them. I kind of enjoyed the one I was looking less forward to more. Okay.

The one I was looking forward to the most was I've seen the trailer it was for a it's on screen box. It's called All Jacked Up and full of worms. What the fuck? Okay. Oh, okay. I've seen the poster for that. Yeah, essentially it's just a random group of people.

They're all somehow, some way they end up taking worms, however way, eating them, snorting them, whatever. And they get high and have these trips. And I was looking forward to it because I thought it was just going to be wild and crazy, but it just, as the movie got along, it's barely over an hour. It just ended up being, like, I didn't understand what was going on. It just kind of got confusing

to what the story was. So, I can't really... I couldn't imagine, Brian. I couldn't imagine. It is different from anything I've seen because the whole fact that they're using worms as drugs and taking them any possible way

you could think people take drugs and that that's wild, but just the story. I didn't understand what was going on. The next one I'll probably say is my cool of the week, and it's a new sci-fi kind of horror-ish movie on Paramount Plus called A Significant Other. With Micah Munro, I think that's how you say her name from It Follows. Yeah, I've heard of this movie.

It's not, is it straight up horror or more suspense? Very sci-fi. Okay. Little elements of horror in there and kind of runs the gamut on different genres. So it's a couple that goes hiking in the woods and some sci-fi. I don't want to spoil it. Sci-fi shit happens and you don't know which person and the couple to trust. I'll just leave it at that.

All right. And does that flip-flop back and forth? Like you're trusting one and then the other. kind of like Barbarian was a little bit. I would say the first half of the movie. It kind of does that. And then the reveal happens. And if Paramount Plus wanted to kind of push this as a franchise on their streaming site,

they kind of left it open for future movies. Nice. All right, cool. Well, all of us except Philip have Paramount Plus. I think he secretly has it. I think he does. He seems to know what we're talking about when we bring it up. Yeah, well, somebody logs into my Paramount Plus and their ID is not Philip.

So, it's a little suspicious. It's probably Philip. All right. So that's it for Cool of the Week? Oh, and I started The Watcher on Netflix to kind of keep Netflix in there. Digging the first episode. Cool. But that's all I've seen is the first episode.

So I'll probably talk about it more next week. All right. My Cool of the Week is not horror-related. It's a movie I went to catch at the theater. You guys heard of this director. See if I can pronounce this correctly. I have a lot of Irish ancestry, so I should be able to. Martin McDonough.

Three billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri, in Bruges, a couple other movies he's done. So he's got a new one called the Banchees of Incheron. Oh, Colin Farrell. Yeah, Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleason. so the elder Gleason, the father Gleason. So, yeah, it's really bizarre. I highly suggest it because it's incredibly depressing and dark,

but at the same time, you have these moments where you're laughing so hard, you're falling out of your chair. And they, like, go back and forth so quickly, and the acting is just superb. So I don't want to give too much away about what happens. It's just kind of about basically these two guys are really good. friends. They live on this tiny, remote Irish islands, so there aren't a lot of people there. So they hang out at like 2 o'clock every day. They go down to the pub and have a couple of

pints. And then all of a sudden, one of them goes up to the other and knocks on his door and he's not answering. He's like, well, what the fuck's going on? And finally he talks to him and he says, I don't, I decided today I don't like you anymore. And I don't want to talk to you anymore. And so the whole movie is trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and why does he not like me? Did I do something wrong? It's just pretty cool the way they mix the comedy and incredibly dark, depressing shit together. It's a well-made movie. I would highly recommend it.

And unless you're really good at Irish stuff, you got to have subtitles. They're incredibly deep Irish accents. You're letting Colin use his real accent in that way? Oh, yeah. He's all the way, man. He's not playing like bullseye or whatever. in this one. So, all right, that's cool of the week. Of course, we're going to, normally we do news, trailers and stuff like that, but we're going to skip that this week and move on to what

we call our podcast spotlight. So these guys actually, I reached out to us last week, so they're probably listening. So hello, guys. Hopefully one day we will also be able to sit at the Gould Kids Table. So we've got the Gould Kids Table. Submitted for the approval of the Midnight Society. There you go. The Gould Kids Table Podcast is a weekly conversation where four degenerate fans discuss the highs and lows of the horror genre. It's like summoning horny ghosts with a Ouija board on Halloween in a graveyard.

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it all and we do have coosies on the way so we'll be getting us out to the people that we promised them to very shortly. So we'll move on to our featured attractions it's now time for our commentary for Thanksgiving. I can't believe I'm saying that.

All right. killing a homicidal turkey. I guess we're going to see how accurate this is, Ryan. A homicidal turkey axes off college kids during Thanksgiving break. Is that, I guess we're going to find

out, aren't we? It's about it. That's it. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay, director, Jordan Downey, also known for the headhunter. That was a damn good movie. Came out a couple of years ago. Had a nice little twist at the end of it with

a certain character that was collecting a certain other character's head and putting it on the wall. Also for Critters, Bounty Hunter. There you go, Darren. You love Critters-type movies, don't you? Let's see. Writers, Jordan Downey, Brad Schultz, and Kevin Stewart. Are we leaving anybody out here, Ryan? Kevin Stewart and Jordan Downey were the two magic makers. They did it.

It's their fault. All right. Well, since I looked up some trivia and you told me it might not be totally accurate, you got any stories for us about the filming? Yeah, I mean, it was quick. We shot the whole movie within a couple weeks. It was a lot. Now, we have not watched this movie yet, right?

Lance and Brian, Darren, I'm sure you've seen it. I've never seen it. I saw it when it was first time. saw it when it was first coming out was the last. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. That was the last time. I don't want to give it. I don't want to give anything away just yet because there, I mean, there's plenty of stories involving porn stars and things like that. Jesus Christ, okay. But.

Stormy Daniels? Does Stormy Daniels show up? Better. Better. Better. Way better. I, yeah. No, I mean, I guess like the best, the whole thing is just kind of crazy. The fact that, you know, it was a grassroots effort. This was a student project, you know. This was a college thesis project. And when we did this, when all the actors got together, you know, we just got together.

We just had a shit ton of fun. It was a two-week shoot. So as you can imagine, the days were very long. We'd start at, you know, eight in the morning. We wrap maybe two in the morning and then get a couple hours of sleep and do it all over again the next day. You'll see a lot of laughter. It's genuine laughter because we're out of our minds, hopped up on caffeine, beer, whatever. All right.

Nice. So, yeah, I mean, there's, I always speak so highly of Jordan and Kevin because they set out to do something specific. And not only did they pull the trigger with directing and like having this idea all come to fruition. within such a small amount of time, but they saw all the way through to post-production and getting this thing out there. They, this Thanksgiving really hit the road during that transition piece when Netflix was going into streaming.

They're starting to go into it. Yeah, so they were kind of accepting everything that was getting thrown at it. Nice, nice, all right. And it happened to get onto the streaming service at that time, which is where it kind of caught, it kind of caught on fire. Netflix full circle here, huh?

Yes. Yeah, for real. Exactly. I'm a Netflix fan. They're paying me to say these things. Right. I'm on paper. All right.

You guys ready to start? All right. I'll play the sound. Hopefully just loud enough. So everybody listening along, you kind of hear where we are. But the copy that I've got, it says it's only one hour and six minutes.

Is that accurate? And 42. seconds? 41, so I think we're running the money. Okay, we're good to get. Barely a feature film. All right. Brian, you good?

We ready? Yep, I'm good. All right, I'll do the quick countdown and then hit play. I'm at zero. So, let's see, we've got three, two, one, and play. All right, hopefully this will come out loud enough for you folks playing along at home to hear. But if it's too loud, you guys. let me know. So we can still be fucking heard because it's half the fun.

Ah, the olden days. The olden days. Okay. Moments after the very first Thanksgiving. Well, that's questionable, right? I mean, do we really know when the first Thanksgiving? How much research did they do into this? Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. What have we here? So this is Wanda Lut. She was a milf porn star that they found on Craigslist in Los Angeles. I think I've heard of this scene. I think someone described this scene to me once and says, man, you've got to watch this movie.

It starts out with a pilgrim with a bear titties running through the woods. I guess that would be this one. I can't think of another one. Jesus Christ. I didn't know that you hadn't seen this before, Lance. Nah, never seen this one, dude. I've heard of it. Never seen it.

I'm so sorry. Ah, this is great, dude. I'm being educated. Being educated. Oh, he actually does. Okay. Everybody was so stoked, especially like around Bernie's when this was getting made. Right?

That was a good time. So this, the music, the theme song, this is a beat done by a. guy named Kashmir Royale and he's like hot shit. He's a big producer out in LA now. And he got him to agree to do this theme song, which does kind of slap. It's a, it's a pretty good theme song for a Bhoor movie. I've always thought that the graphic work that they did with the credits were pretty, pretty good for what it is. I was just about to say the same thing, dude. This doesn't, this looks more like, you know, you know, at least who's General Bass General Bastard is a guy that my band went on tour with. I found him on MySpace.

I found him on MySpace. And we actually played a bar in Detroit, which is where he's from called The Painted Lady, which is where, yeah, that was a ton of punk bands kind of got to go through that particular pub. And it was really, really cool. But they needed a homeless guy. And he didn't need any makeup. Like, you'll see him.

He plays himself. You'll know who he is. You won't need to point him out, right? Oh, no, not at all. But General Bastard plays a homeless man, and he looks like he would when he's playing a show. Nice. Well, this, yeah, this looks at least Bloomhouse quality, you know, so far. Although I don't think Bloomhouse would start out with bare tits.

At least not anymore. Oh, they should. Yes, they should. Okay, how's the volume, guys? Too loud, too quiet, just right? It helps me figure out if I'm seconds off of the main feed. Okay. This is Denison University and Granville.

Okay. Jesus. Is that meatloaf? Unfortunately, she had a bra on. Titsgiving. Should be a new holiday. Did they? Oh, they're speeding up the film here.

Okay. That's not my. player. Here he comes. You guys' faces watching this for the first time. Trying to fit in with the A-click, huh?

I get it. We've all been there, Ryan. There's the epitome of, like, just the nerdy kid. Sure. Yeah, some very 80s throwback concepts. here it seems like. You'll see a lot of those. You're going to see a lot of tropes.

Right. For sure. Maybe a little bit breakfast clubby, maybe. I don't know. Oh, Jesus Christ. What a line. There's got to be the dickhead picking on the nerd. Every time.

It's kind of like trying to walk around OSU campus on football day. Yeah, oh my God. Yeah, that's, that's cancerous. Oh, here we go. Cabin in the woods, huh? Or is it just an outhouse? That's General Bastards. Okay, I kind of got that impression.

Was the dog his dog? I don't think I've ever asked that. That's the director's dog. This is on his, the director's dad's property, kind of in Newark, Granville area. Oh, okay, right on. There's some overrated there for you, Darren. Oh, yeah. I think I still have one of your CDs.

Yeah, I definitely got one of your guys for sure. For sure. She said, what's Poon? See, if this is a porn, Darren would be the one that would be fucking every single one of them and have like a 10 or 11 inch cock, guaranteed. You know what? We can sit down and write a script here. Right.

Help you promote the musical. Everybody else? Yeah, everybody else is doing them, right? Thanks, killing the musical. You'll have to definitely check that out after you see this film. It's amazing. Is there a musical? There is, yeah.

Oh, I thought you guys were just fucking around. Oh, I can't believe I didn't tell you about that. I meant to bring it up. In case, yes. There was a thanks killing the musical. It did a couple different cities, right? Yeah, it did Atlanta. It did New York City.

It did Seattle. And I brought it to Columbus, and I actually played Darren the Nerd in the musical here in Columbus. It was a, it's hilarious. It takes the movie and just elevates it. No shit. It's amazing.

Now, is she a porn star or just like a friend or something? Nothing at all, Al. No, Natasha was, we found her on Craigslist. I believe her and I stay in touch. She's done some work outside of Thanks Killing. In particular, she was on America's Got Talent with like a ninja group, and they did like this dancing ninja thing with nunchucks and shit. It was wild.

It was really, really cool. Which one is this? Natasha, Cordova, the alley, the slut. Okay. The one of the back seat, right? Yeah. Her? Yeah, the one of the back seat.

that looks like Ohio that almost sounded like some dead or alive there for a minute you spin me right round uh oh don't mess with a totem right bad mojo oh Jesus Christ no good conduct

that's right this is my first time watching this with folks who have never seen it before by the way oh cool all right where did the turkey come from? He's just buried or what? Risen from the grave like Freddy from Nightmare on Elstreet.

Oh, right. Is this the sheriff or what? Yeah, so the sheriff played by Chuck Lamb, the dead body guy. I guess people are the same all over the world because these two could easily come from Texas. Where did she come from? Where did this actress come from?

The girl in the front seat of the Jeep. Yeah, that was a show. She was in a theater group at my school, and I just called her. She was in my flip front as a saved contact, and I just called her and asked if she wanted to do it. And she said, yes. Are you free? She kind of has a Breed Larson and Sasha Gray thing going on with her face.

She could have been the next Captain Marvel. Fuck, but she did things killing instead. Did she choose wisely? She has separated herself. She lives in Chicago now, and she has separated herself from the franchise. I really don't hear much from her anymore. Okay. All right.

I did hear there's a thanks killing three, right? That's not to be confused with the musical, right? Correct. Okay. How bad is it? It looks pretty bad. What a dick. Man, that,

The smoke sure cleared up pretty quickly, didn't it? Brought a pillow. This guy. Ryan, you remind me. I can't remember the character's name, but Otto's friend that worked in the grocery store with him in repo, man. That's perfect. That's perfect.

Yeah, Otto. Crawberg. Okay. This part's sick. There's an animation part right here, and it's fantastic. It's so good. Let's check it out. Oh, wow.

Crawlford. Who did the animation? I can't remember the name of the, it was a small company, but they did it. They did the whole thing. They're one of the only few credits at the end of the movie. Okay. Kind of reminds me of some of those old black flag concert posters that were drawn and handed around town before black flag toured way back in the early days. Is that a penis hanging upside down?

Oh, no, it was, wasn't it? Or was it a bat? Yeah, that was a penis. It's a rocket ship. It's a rocket ship. It's a rocket ship, man. Regular turkey? Are there such things as turkeyologists?

What am I missing here? No. No, there is no such thing as a turkeyologist. You heard of here first, folks. She's selling the roll hard, guys. She's really into it. Natasha Cordova owned Allie the Slut. So bad.

She did such a good job. Yeah, she's definitely into it the most. I think the most. This other guy, the kind of heavyset dude, either reminds me of meatloaf or the guy that, what was that, but Varsity Blues? Was that the one where he wore a 69 on the, back of his jersey or something

like that. Billy Bob or Reggie Ray. That's it. That's it. That's it. Bless and peace. Whoa. Okay. I hate to say it.

I'm kind of getting Ted Nugent vibes here. I was going to say with the fucking gun. I feel like I know the general. Are those his real teeth? I think so. The turkey reminds me of, oh, God

damn it. What's the fucking dog that goes and interviews people and has the cigar? Is it comic, the insult dog? Yeah. Definitely the same style of puppetry there. Shit, I forgot to call my dad. Yeah, you got to establish

there's no cell service, right? Who's doing the puppeteering with the turkey? That is Jordan Downey, the director, writer, producer. He's puppeteering and he's voicing it. Oh, okay.

He did, he read all the lines when we were filming and that did, uh, re-went over the lines and post. Okay. So when you get that point of view where it's sort of purple, is that, is that the Turkey's POV there? Yeah. Okay. Kind of got a predator thing going, huh?

I think this is the only scene that they do that. I'm pretty sure this is the only scene where that happened. They don't want to forget about it. Okay. Keep saying it. Seems like she got away pretty fucking easily. Almost. So were most of these done in like one tape?

Or were there multiple takes on most scenes? From what I recall, I mean, we probably did three, four takes. It was fast, but it was still only like three or four. All right. So the editor did all the most of the, most of the editing or like was it sort of like a team effort or what yeah uh jordan did most of the editing i think with kevin uh kevin stewart was the one filming the whole time he was the director of photography producer they kind of tag teamed everything in in post and in production it was just the two of them

cool was there any like improvising from anybody in the cast oh yeah oh yeah yeah a lot uh like here The fire scene. Uh-huh. This is, uh, it was really hot and there's a lot of smoke in my eyes here. Um, and I did not hit these lines exactly at all. Ha ha ha. Did he say calm the F down? Sure did.

Sure did. All-American boy won't use the F word, really. God, he was at youth group still. Gotcha. But he doesn't mind flipping the bird. waste in anyway, so I gotta draw the line somewhere. Oh, yeah.

So you're saying there's a chance. That's what it sounds like. That's what it sounds like. Oh, you've got some beers in the ice chest in there, right? Get some nice chest for you. There's Ted Nugent. What is his real name again, Ryan?

You ask me that so fast, because I only ever call him General Bastard. Okay. Well, that's his real name then, right? I mean, that's what he was credited. it has. That is his credit. Yeah.

I guess some could refer to Ted Nugent as a general bastard. Depending on your point of view. He goddamn took it. You're not sure this wasn't filmed in Texas? Dean Carl's. Dean Carl's. Okay. All right.

That's the name he was born did with, huh? That's what he was born. That's what he was born with. Okay. worked his way up to general. What the hell is he doing to the fucking car? Is he trying to fix it or fuck it? He fixed it.

He fixed it. You couldn't tell? They got a mechanic in the house. All right. He's moving stuff around. All right. He needed some light. Uh-oh.

Don't leave me behind. He was out taking a piss. Yeah, I see the Brie Larson thing now, Brian. What, turkey jizz? Turkey Dukes. Oh. In the script, the directions were Darren licks his fingers. Okay.

We settled on a swipe with a slurping sound because it's just like a tick that he has. I don't know. But it's a slurper. I was like, it's weird to like lick my finger. I was like that's bizarre, dude. I don't know. Yeah, might not be too sanitary either. Right.

This was 2007. There were no germs. It was like the 60s. This is one of my favorite. This is one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie. I said caller. I have a daughter, caller. One of my favorite things about Turkey is the fact that everyone sees Turkey is just like a normal, like, person.

I wonder why. That's just the way the movie's written, I guess, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's really standoffish, isn't he? He's like, yeah, of course. There's one. He's on a mission. A mission to find that turkey, right?

And he's wearing a shell necklace, too. I didn't notice that last time. Right? Probably bought it in Panama City Beach when he went on vacation for $2.99, right? I'm sorry, but that fart gets me every time. What's the backstory between the dad and the son? Why does he fucking hate him so much? You're about to find out.

Okay, okay. He's not good enough for his dad. Okay, gotcha. He's lying. He's lying, obviously. Oh, he's fucking with him. He's fucking with him. Right.

He just wants his dad to be proud of him. Right. There's the cigar. Damn, that turkey moves fast. First thing he thinks about is not having pumpkin pie. My parents just died. No more fucking pumpkin pie, man. Priorities.

All right, so as far as I know, this is the first time that what's about to happen ever happened in film. As far as I know. All right. As far as I know. Was it something impromptu or something scripted? It's definitely something scripted. I'll leave it at that for now. Okay.

Are we going to get some turkey jerky here or what? Yeah, I guess you could say that. Jesus Christ. That's Kevin Stewart, the director of photography. Okay. She thinks he's coming on her. So as far as I know, this is one of the first bestiality rape scenes in a film ever. Just that stuff.

Great line. Yeah, it's usually the other way around, right? Like a donkey show or a horse? Right. You just got stuff. So this is my house that we shot at, my real house. Okay. When he comes back out the door, you're going to see my senior picture hanging up on the wall in the background.

All right. Thanks. Thanksgiving. Told me there was a chance. Right. I got to have something on killer turkeys. I mean, when you have a large collection of books.

I feel like Chuck Lamb was involved in every single one of Ken. Ryan, you know Ken. But my old baseball player, Ken, was always working on some project that got five steps in and then stopped.

And Chuck Lamb was almost always there. I believe it. Was Ken involved in Saturday Night Pillow Fights at all? I can't remember. I don't think so. That was like a bunch of women dressed basically in lingerie, and they fought with pillows in a steel cage. And Chuck Lamb, he refereed that, and that was really fun.

Wow. Now, that's a job. That's something to strive for right there. This is a really funny scene. This is all ad-lib. this entire scene's out of it. Okay. And is that the sheriff?

That's the girl's dad, right? The sheriff? Yeah. The one who has the huge collection of books? Yes. Okay. A sheriff with a huge collection of books. Oh, I'm trying to piece this together, but okay.

Let's just go with it. Everybody just assumes he's a human. It must be the costume, man. The glasses and the fake mustache, right? I'm going to take off now. The fake eyebrows. The Groucho Marx glasses. This was one of my favorite scenes filming.

This was probably one scene where we had to take 10, 15 different shots because we were busting up laughing. Okay. ridiculously busting up laughing. This is the part that took the longest to film then, right? It's one of them for this reason, for this reason. Daddy, she really thinks it's... Where is it again? I don't see any books.

Huge collection of books. What were these like used college textbooks or something? It looks like it, right? Yep, always, always by the used college textbooks that are already highlighted and everything, right? And save, like, pay one-tenth the price of the new ones. Exactly. And then use the rest for beer or weed or whatever, right? But now half of them would probably be digital.

I would think so, yeah. I would think, wondering how that works now. Professors need to find ways to put their books on syllabi and make that extra. Sure. Sure. Ben has dust on it. Like the Necronomicon. Five minutes to find a book on killer turkeys.

in a sheriff's garage. I don't know, guys. His plumage. What are the player? Yeah? Why don't they just fucking cook him? I mean, that's what I usually do. When I've got a turkey at Thanksgiving, I'm trying to get rid of.

What are you doing there, Ryan? Figuring out, so Darren's really into figuring out this code. He's really doing the math in his head. It's kind of a lot. Okay. Okay, that makes sense. So a fun fact about Chuck Lamb, he's known as dead body guy. So he's played dead bodies on so many different productions.

So they wanted, they specifically wanted him to be dead on camera. But he's been an SVU, NCIS, like, all that, all that shit. Oh, yeah. So he's really good at laying still and not moving. Yeah. Okay. Can he say that? In 2008, you could say that.

Seems like only yesterday. He said, disrespected our people. This film is very problematic, and I want to be the first to say that right now. It is very problematic. What good be horror movie isn't, right? It aged terribly.

Get the plumage. Oh, they got it. The iron. Playing with us like we're puppets. I'm sure that wasn't written. way on purpose was it right here's this here's the serious part of the movie right the serious scene this is the serious scene i get that reference we are talking about the death of her father right right it's everything i think it's kind of everything yeah she that she's alluding to that

yeah she knows she knows their dad's dead oops the code all right that didn't take long Was this like quantum physics he had to figure out or what? It's apparently, yeah. The code was really long. Looked like it, yeah. Lots of math. A lot of weird symbols, lots of numbers. He's not going to go. He's turkey.

He said one of the most powerful Indians in history. So you're saying now are we about to go Bollywood here? I don't even think about that. Oh, no, we're going to get into a musical number with a turkey. That could be worked in sometime, somewhere. So there's a tornado warning when this scene was filmed. Everything. Tornado warning, the police, the police told us we had to go inside.

You guys were fucks-given zero, huh? Yeah, fucks were zero. We kept going. We kept going. There's some more animation, man. He's imagining a turkey. I love you. Look at like SpongeBob when he looks over and it looks like he's turning into a crabby paddy and shit.

What's with the patriotic music? Couldn't tell you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Made sense at the time, right? Come on. Oh, my God. Come on. Really? Here comes. There it is. That's the line. Right.

Bowel play. Been trying not to say gobble, gobble, motherfucker. Right. All the night. I could have, didn't somebody earlier that maybe say cock gobbler or did I miss hear that? Probably. He's hanging on by a thread, guys. He's still alive.

Still a tornado warning, by the way. Definitely a tornado warning. This was in Ohio, huh? Where you guys were filming? Yeah, this was right outside of my home, my house. Man. That is some bizarre special effects. Sox, panty hose.

Definitely looks like there's some cranberry sauce in there somewhere. This was all one shot, which is why this is so long. It was one take because we got to go. Get it done. Get it done right and get the fuck out of there. I got you. How fucking funny would it be if the tornado came right by with when you were filming? Started ripping all the socks, pantos and shit out of him.

Oh, memories, memories. The homoerotic undertones in the film kind of happened here. Yeah, you even got the rain, yeah, they're even sitting under a rainbow umbrella. High five. Original music, written by one of the eyes or what? I think this is Kevin Stewart singing this. Okay. What the fuck does a scene like this even fit into a goddamn killer turkey movie?

Thinking of all the good times at the end. Like his life flashing before him or what? Hey. Kill by a turkey. So I had this idea. They didn't really elaborate it, and they don't call it out in the movie. Okay. But after Billy dies, Darren turns into one of the cool kids.

Notice his glasses are gone. Yeah. What happened to the glasses? So he evolved from being the nerd to like the cool kid. And so the glasses disappeared. But it was never really the directors wanted to do it. Because I brought it up. I was like, he should take out these glasses.

And they didn't really call it out. So it just kind of, Darren doesn't wear glasses anymore. Okay. Yeah. I thought it would be cool. He's a cool kid now. Billy's... One of the oldest movie tropes in the book, right? Just tape the glasses off the chick that doesn't fit in, the nerdy chick,

and all of a sudden she's the hot one that all the guys are after, right? Well, it was like one of my favorite movies as a kid was the movie Christine. Sure. And so if you remember, like, when he started working with Christine, his glasses eventually came off, and Arnie ended up being a badass. Right. When the glasses came off. And so this is Darren's Arne's.

moment right here. Okay. I like the character development, man. Okay, what's with a string? What's the fucking silly string for here? They got to tie them up. Okay. They got a tie it turkey. Sure. You have to truss up your turkey, man. Quit being a pussy. And also also known as Darren's shirt is now unbuttoned at the top. Another subtle, another subtle touch. Okay, Yep. Layers. Yes. You have to go back and watch it again later.

Now is that a tant? Is that a tant? Or did he make like a teepee, basically? Little TP. Little TP. Jesus Christ. Our people. It's a very phallic, very phallic turkey neck, guys.

There's the R word again. But they are the villain. Right. Like a Stephen King book. Sure, sure. Yep, very Stephen Kingish here. All we need is a whole bunch of young, under 12-year-old kids having sex at the end of it. Bring it all together and get rid of Pennywise.

They got the turkey dead to rights. Ready to see this cock burn. Yeah, never leave a little. home without a lighter man. I don't know if it's because I've seen this movie so many times for obvious reasons, you know, but this movie's only an hour and what six minutes long? I feel like it's two and a half hours long. Oh, for fuck's sake, dude.

I find myself rooting for the turkey, honestly. I mean, same. I mean, same side. I really do. Turkey's cooler than all the other fucking kids in the movie, man. No offense, dude. True. No, it's true. That's true. Bad ass. It's pretty nasty. Art the Clown versus Turkey movie. That would be great. I'm sure it's coming. I was on mute. There was an opportunity for Turkey versus Ginger Dead Man. And I pushed for it. I thought that would have been fantastic.

And it did not, it did not, obviously they're not come to fruition. But I thought that would, because those movies popped up a few years later. But yeah. after his end's killing. Right? This looks like this would be right up Charles Barnes Alley, dude. You would think you'd buy into that big time. Evil, evil bong and turkey.

Of course. That would have been a great pairing. Like those, like all of those movies right in line with each other. There's still plenty of time, dude. There's hope for you yet. And you're young.

You're young. You can come back and reprise the role. Spoiler alert. I'm sure you're going to die here. But, you know, but, Well, if you're a nightmare on Elm Street 3 fan, I pay homage to Nightmare on Elm Street 3 here shortly. And it was a puppet. Well, it's an unscripted.

It's an unscripted thing that happens, but I really wanted to do it on the fly. And we did. And it looked really good. Very nice. Working out. So we'll see if you catch it. Let's see if we'll catch it. Oh, we'll catch it.

So this is your house again? This is Jordan Downey's dad's house. Okay. So they're technically at Kristen's house. Okay, here's the word. Her dad just died. The one movie everybody can show on the TV in the background, right? No matter of way.

So they think it's all over, right? They think the turkey's gone or? It's over. Turkey's dead. The hobo killed. him. Gotcha. He's dead.

Okay. I gained a girlfriend. He's pretty assumptive of him, isn't it? I don't know what to say. Ah, you look super amused there, dude. You look like you really love that idea, being the fucking third wheel sitting on the couch.

Darren's seen a lot of this point, so. Right. He cracked the code. He's kind of a hero. You're the fucking hero. The other guy's off banging the chick, man. Come on.

Nothing fair about that. With all due respect, though, I do think that Darren's lover died. Okay. I think. You will never really know. I mean, the musical, the musical.

If you see things killing the musical. It goes into more detail. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I sense a big scene coming up here. Turkey and dressing leftovers. Active turkey?

Radioactive turkey. You got it. That was what was in the trunk and repo man, Darren. So that's the nightmare. That's the nightmare three throwback. Gotcha. Okay. That's a fast acting turkey, dude. Superpowered now. Yeah, absolutely, man. pernicious nonsense

they just boned and they're sleeping right well I mean the high school bone session oh the high school

that's like his version of seeing the light the tunnel or whatever come be with me his lover or best friend or whatever Billy is special friend

Ah, it's all good Don't tell me that was a dream sequence, man They didn't pull that cheap shit, did they? Sure, only explanation Really dark Making a turkey sandwich He's telling him Come get some of this turkey sandwich

When nothing else works Go old school, right? And we're back We're back to the outhouse in the woods. There's that. There's that. There's that. There it is again.

Hey. I was wrong. One more time. Fuck. Well, that was easy. My feathers are fucking melting. I'm so glad you heard that, Darren. That's like one of my favorite lines.

Like, my feathers are fucking melting. Okay. It's nice to know feathers melt. Only when they're Muppet feathers, though, right? Uh-oh. Now, did she say peck on someone your own size? She did.

These puns, man. I swear. What are we in the Wicker Man now? You'd be surprised how many backyards in Ohio, especially outside the city limits, are ready for a bonfire at any moment. At any given time, huh? Ted Nugent, she's too old for you, man.

She's not 12 years old. Don't eat that. That's radioactive. Brian, oh my God, that's so funny. No one's, I've never heard that before, but you're so correct. She totally ate radioactive turkey just there. Hey, maybe she gets superpowers. Hey, she is going to be Captain Marvel after all. Here we go.

Looks like a Norman Rockwell painting, but with Adam Sandler sitting at the table with a turkey he had one. That's the director's brother. Okay. And is he a religious nut, or is this all just play? Oh, no, yeah, this is play acting. Okay. Of course. It ain't over. Okay. Jesus. To be continued. Oh, in space. I'm sold.

You're in, Brian? It's going to space. Oh, man. Man, all right, guys. Well, shit, dude. I don't know what to say, except, you know, obviously, thanks for joining us. Ryan, you got anything going on? Like, you want to pay out, or you got any projects going on?

Do you still gig at all? What's the story, man? I do. I pivoted from the punk scene and went to Nerdcore hip-hop. So I rap now. I'm that midlife crisis, you know, 36-year-old white guy rapper. That's what I do. I do comedy rap.

I do. No shit. Where can we find you? Yeah, anything huge, H-E-G-E, huge E-E-G-E, because my middle name is Eugene, E-G-O-E-E-O-G-E-E-E-O-G-E-E-E-E-O-G official. You can listen to, I've got tons of stuff streaming on Spotify and everywhere. I'm actually celebrating 10 years of a charity event here in Columbus, Ohio. I'm having Phil Moore from an old game show called Nick Arcade,

which was on Nickelodeon back in the 90s. Remember that one? I remember that one. He's hosting a full game show with some comedy on December 9th and then December 10. Right. Having a big punk rock slash hip hop rock show at a place called Big Room Bar here in Columbus. So super excited.

And it'll be the final year of this charity event. So really excited to kind of put the lid on it. Nice, dude. Well, we'll put, Brian, can we get some links on the socials and stuff like that? Absolutely. All right. Cool, dude. And Darren, again, where can we find you?

You can find my, the podcast stuff, look up Psycho-Semantic. And the VD Clinic pod is still around. Vanessa is just very busy. She works in advertising and it sort of, her year culminates with Super Bowl shit. Right. So she was too busy to do the stuff for the last few months. She's definitely going to be too busy the next few. But yeah, Psychosimantic.

and talking about our old band days look up downtrodden, no E between the D and the N, because we were afraid, or I don't know, ask Aaron why it's spelled wrong, but... Okay. Yeah, you can find downtrodden stuff, and that's the only band I was in back in the overrated days at Bernies. That all or nothing, I will never forget that.

nothing hardcore show. Yes, and all or nothing, you look up them, definitely look up all or nothing, H.C. They're a hardcore band out of California. I ended up, we went on tour with them, downtrodden did, and

their drummer had to go home. Pretty much as soon as they got to Ohio, it was like, okay, I have to go back to California now. Either the tour is over, or maybe you'll learn to play our shit. And you learned.

I did. I said, I will totally do it. And you know what? If you get us on your show at CBGB, I will work even harder. And so I, yeah. So yeah, but we played

the kickoff tour was at Bernie's. And that was a hell of it. That was dope. That was dope. That was so fun. Oh my God. but yeah all right yeah look look them up they're pretty rad hardcore there are some videos that

there's a video of us playing not at burneys but there is video of that CBGB show later oh cool cool YouTube or where can we find it yep that's on YouTube I'll send you guys the links I was about to say maybe send us some links so that's probably the best way to do it so there's better video of me playing with other bands

than there is out there of me playing with my regular bands all right that's always cool nothing wrong with that all right well as always we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns you know where to find us coosies are on the way

next week the Thanksgiving feast continues with two movies from this year we got fresh if I'm not mistaken Brian and also the menu nice all right so until the horror returns again

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