The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #34: Raising Cain (1992) & Split (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

Nez joins us to review Split and Raising Cain. Thanks for listening!

James victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of land. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. For all of you who delight and dread, fantasize about fear, and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie.

Then go back and find a classic work with some of the horror. similar themes. We look at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. We include spoilers for the new film, however, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. If you don't wish to hear, the spoilers simply turn it off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will be spoilers when we discuss anything that's been out for at least a year.

The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance and with me as always are my co-host Brian and Philip And we got a special guest with us again this week You guys might know him from train to Busan It's Kevin Nez from the McNez podcast and East Society How's it going man? I'm good man

Thank you for having me back on The last time was fucking Amazing I had a blast thank you so much And What's up guys? I love to have you on. Thank you.

Yeah, real quick, man, like housekeeping type issue before we get started so we don't forget to ask you later, just in case I do forget. Let our listeners know. I think a lot of our listeners listen to your show as well, but let everybody know where they can find you, man. You can find my show. I have two shows, like Lance said, the MacNess podcast. as well as the E-S Society that I'm a co-host on that one with my buddy of the Z-Su. You can find both of those shows on iTunes and Podbean. Just look up a Skater Nes podcast network.

Both shows will pop up. That's S-K, the number 8, ER, N-E-Z, two words, podcast network. It'll all pop up on there. I'm also on Facebook, just look up MacN-N-E-Z, podcasts, that page will pop up, as well as the E Society, two separate pages. Those will all pop up, and I'm on. So, as you know, because you've been on here before, but we like to start with our cool of the week, man, and you're our guest, so you go first. I don't want to talk about the movies we're about to talk about, but I think the coolest thing I've seen this week was last night.

uh nxte takeover san antonio uh oska she retained her uh her title so i was hyped about that all right so i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna sound really really uh dumb here what the fuck is nxte is that wrestling or what it's ray ads wrestling for uh some of you for some of you fans that don't know bryan knows what i'm talking about yeah it's uh w o'e wrestling they're uh the guys that they're that are coming up before they get to the big show, before they go to RAR or Smackdown and all that stuff. Okay. Yeah, it's basically like a developmental... I got to get back into WWE, man.

My kid loves it. He's got the new WWE game for the Xbox One. And I hadn't watched the shit since Stone Cold, you know? Yeah, gearing up for the Royal Rumble tonight. That's taking place down there as well in San Antonio. So, I'm happy for that. Now, wait a minute. I thought, I don't know, right?

wrestling, but I thought the Royal Rumble took place in England or something. No. No? No? Where the fuck did I get that idea? I don't know. All right, Brian, what's your cool of the week? Let's move on.

Save me. Okay. My cool of the week, I've said it many times that my love for the show, the Goldbergs. The Goldberg. Yeah, a lot of, I've been going through a lot of the classic 80s movies with my youngest, and yeah so I introduced her to the Goonies and the karate kid. Awesome. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she wasn't really feeling the karate kid. I mean, yeah, she got excited for the, I guess, the most known parts of the movie. Yeah. But she was super excited for the Goonies. Well, that's cool. Yeah.

I can do on that. So that was pretty. Yeah, that was pretty cool, but my actual thing I wanted to talk about, I did do my homework that we talked about from the last show. I finished the OA, and I also finished Westworld. Awesome. Which ones do you like better? At first, I would have said Westworld. But the OA, it had me thinking, because there was episodes.

it pulled me in and then there was episodes that kind of lost me and then it pulled me back in and I know a lot of people didn't like the ending but that was my issue I kind of dug it it kind of left it I like endings like that where it gets

people into discussion you know debate on you know what they think really happened and yeah I kind of I'm probably going to end up going going to watch it a second time because I think there might have been some things I probably missed watching it the first time. So I'm probably going to give it a second time through.

And as far as Westworld, I thought it really, it was slow in the beginning for me, but the second half of the season really picked up. Oh, yeah. I'm really looking forward to season two, which found out we're not getting until 2018. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I heard about that as well. but yeah that's my cool in west world

uh did you see the movies and the the old 80s tv show I seen the movie a long time ago I probably need to give it a rewatch I meant to do it before the the actual show started but as far as any of the other stuff

now I haven't seen it okay I just watched the I just watched the movie and I just watched the the pilot episode for the first it was called Beyond West World. I'm still, I've only watched like maybe two episodes of the new TV show

and I don't even really remember it. I need to go back and just start it over. Right. Do they mention, do they ever mention medieval world or Roman world in the new series? It's funny you should say that because on the, well, I'm sure Brian's about to go into it.

That last episode teaser. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to spoil it, but they do mention other, there's other parks, basically. Yeah. They leave it kind of open for the other parks, but it's not really a part of the storyline. Another thing I thought, did they ever mention, I mean, I thought they did, but I'm not sure. Did they ever mention anything about the movie? They reference it. Did they?

Okay. All right. Yeah, I believe they kind of referenced it. as an incident that took place? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay.

Okay, because I wasn't sure if this was just from the beginning again or after what happened in the movie and happened in the 80s TV show. The 80s TV show didn't last very long. So I wasn't sure if they were going to talk about any of that because I didn't like what was going on on the TV show. I thought that or the new, the old TV show. I thought that was stupid. But the movie for when it came out, I thought it was amazing. I'm really... I'm really gonna jump into the new TV show.

I forgot there was. I didn't realize there was an 80s TV show, Kevin. Yeah, it was called Beyond Westworld. No shit. I think there was another... I'm pretty sure there was another movie called Future World. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so.

I saw it, but I don't remember that one at all. That was a long time ago. Yeah. I think Westworld was probably my cool little. week last week. This week I got to go with OA because I watched it with my wife, which actually means that I watched

it and then she watched it so I caught some more scenes from it the second time. But yeah, man, I really liked it. I did have kind of a gripe with the ending, and that's part of why I like Westworld better. I was a huge fan of that series, man. I totally forgot that there was a movie, and I really want to go back and watch

it because that series was amazing to me. And I like the way that they kind of tied everything up in a little bow, but then still left the season two teaser there. And I think that that was kind of my issue with the OA. Like I don't think that they had one solid storyline that they tied up before they went to the next one. I feel like they're still in the first storyline

and never really ended that part and just left it totally open. And it kind of irritates me when they do that. especially in movies or or running shows like this, but still, you know what I mean? Yeah, the OA, I have so many questions like. Yeah, right.

When the series was, yeah, when the series was over, I really thought because I had listened to a couple podcasts that was reviewing it. Yeah. And it just, after listening to it, it just really made me think about some stuff that I just don't know if they

really explained it like they should have or like i've got one big issue with the whole concept of the thing but i you know i don't want to get too into it because it's yeah that's a whole lot of spoiler territory yeah it's that it's a very it's hard to talk about that show without spoiling it but it's still it's still a good show it's definitely worth watching absolutely i mean um the ending is just basically like you know it didn't work for you it kind of worked for me it's kind of you know however you take it. Yeah, it takes away from it a little, but it doesn't make it not a good show.

It was really fun to watch. Yeah, it's definitely a watch. I kind of thought the way they ended it, they almost like forced their hand that they have to have a second season now. Right, that's what I'm saying. There's no fucking way that it ended like that. And I like it when they tie it in a little bow.

I mean, it was cool that... Maybe leave a teaser, but don't... I think it was cool that she obviously found the fifth movement that we won't go too much of the spoilers, but it was just suffoling. She found that and that tied everything together, but then they fucking, in that last scene, it's like, what the fuck was that? Yeah. Which I like, as long as they come back and explain it, you know?

Yeah, I don't know. I think that they didn't finish their thought. Seemed that way. That bothers me. Yeah. I'm slowly working my way through that one, because it's just not. I mean, I like what's going on, but it's just not like keeping me excited to, I need to see what happened next. but I'm still getting to it.

I was like that with Westworld bad, dude. I finished that one in like two days. Well, let me ask. The Zisu on my other show, the East Society, he finished it, and he was kind of like, it was good, but he wasn't really happy with the ending. Wasn't satisfied, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Let me ask you, as this, has anyone seen the new extended trailer for, the movie that we're going to review in a couple of weeks A Cure for Wellness? I think I've seen the extended one. Well, if you see the mad scientist doctor in that. Oh, Jason Isaacs? Yeah, the same guy that's in the O-A, man.

Yeah, he plays that role really good. Oh, shit. That's got me even more excited about the movie. Are you guys talking about um malphoy's dad from uh harry pot oh my gosh that is him huh oh yeah i've never seen a harry potter movie in my life that's all i see uh every time i see him acting is something all i can think about his that's that's malphoid's dad he's pretty good man i i like him in the oa he's great very very fucking sinister huh yeah but like but you can there's reasons for it you know he's not just evil right

be evil. Yeah, that is a storyline in that show that I, if they do a season two, I want them to get more into it. Yeah. Right. Yeah, because he's still around, obviously. Yeah. I don't think. I don't know.

They didn't kill them off for anything. Like I said, they don't finish their thought. No, that's cool, man. I'm looking forward to season two. I hope Netflix, and Netflix is famous for continuing shows, so hopefully they'll keep this. Yeah. As of now, it hasn't been renewed or nothing, so. Yeah.

Last I saw it hadn't been, but it took forever for the other show that they have on Netflix since 8. Have you guys seen that one? I watched like an episode and it just didn't. Oh, dude. I don't know. I fucking hated the first episode. I'm so glad I stuck with it, dude. That was one of my favorite shows a couple years back.

It was just awesome. But they finally renewed it, but it took them about three months after the first season. before they announced it. So that could be the case here, you know. Yeah, it's getting a lot of talk. Anyway, my cool of the week was, you guys ever heard of the director, Mickey Keating? I can't say that I have.

Kevin, does that ring a bell off the top of your head? No, it doesn't. All right, well, I did a little Mickey Keating film festival, and all three of these movies are on Netflix. Netflix. So they're, you know, pretty easy to find. The first movie that I watched him in order that he made the films, the first one I watched was called Pod. And, okay, I've seen that one. Yeah, what did you think about it, man? It was okay. I can't remember some podcast I was listening to told me about it. So I watched it. Um, hmm, from whatever.

remember, I mean, I thought it was a good movie, but then I just kind of blended it in with the other type of movies like that. Well, I think it was his first film. And, I mean, you know, it wears its budget on its sleeve for sure. I mean, it's super, super low budget. But I thought he did a great job. And actually, with all three movies I saw, he did a fantastic job of presenting mental illness.

because in Pod, it was really all about a guy that was in the military and he's suffering from PTSD and he finds like an alien pod and he puts it in the basement nobody believes him. But they did a great job and I thought his acting was really good conveying how damaged he was from his time in the military and his stress that he suffered and everything. I thought that was the best part of that movie.

The second one I saw was, called Darling. Have you heard of this one? I haven't. It's really good, man. It's the same chick that was in Pod, and she actually plays a young lady that moves into a building in Manhattan, like a really old school, you know, like an apartment-type building. I guess it's like this older lady, which is actually played by Sean Young, which I didn't realize until the credits rolled. And I'm like, God damn, that was Sean Young. Damn, she's aged.

But it was, it was really fucking fascinating. It was all filmed in black and white. And it was also a movie about a dissent into madness and insanity. And I don't want to give anything away of what she does, but, you know, suffice it to say she goes fucking, you know, completely nuts. And it's like, maybe the house really is on it, or maybe it's just, you know, the shit that's going on in her brain. but it was extremely disturbing.

And then the third movie that he directed that I saw was a newer one. Now, this one I think you guys have probably heard of. It's called Carnage Park. Yes. Have you seen it? I have heard of that. I started watching it. I haven't finished it, though.

I really enjoyed it. It had a lot of the same feel of House of a Thousand Corpses. Okay. Basically, it was, how do I describe it without giving anything away? A couple of guys, Rob, bank and then one of one of the guys takes a girl hostage that he that he finds at the bank and um anyway they they start they go out in the middle of the desert and the cops are chasing them and the next thing you know somebody just starts taking snipers at them and so you come to find out the dude

who's sniping at him has been trapped inside of an area that he's created called he calls a carnage park and he just basically anybody who comes out of his territory he starts shooting at him so it's not a one that deals with insanity or, you know, mental illness. So anyway, I thought they were all, they were all pretty good, all three of them. I think he's got a future. Pod, it was good until they showed. This is what I thought, the aliens, when they came out of the basement. Yeah, kind of cheesy, huh?

Okay, before we get to the news, I just want to give a quick RIP to Mary Tyler Moore and John Hart. They passed away recently. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it looks like a lot of this carryover from 2016 is not being kind to 2017. Yeah, I think out of the two, I think, I mean, John Hart, you know, he's a legend. He's been in so many movies, but I think Mary Tyler Moore kind of hit me a little bit harder. Really?

Because, yeah, I'm only 36, but I still grew up watching. watching, when I was younger, I was always watching Nick at Night. Yeah. So I kind of grew up watching Dick Van Dyke, Mary Tyler Moore Show. Yeah, actually when I was supposed to be watching Raising Kane, my wife said that we should have been watching Sybil. Oh, did you watch it? Oh, she was in there? Yeah.

No shit. I didn't actually watch it. But we couldn't find a good copy of it. Right. So I got to go back and check it out again. Maybe Tyler Moore was in Sybil? I didn't know that either, man. Was that somebody else?

Sally Field was Sybil. Maybe she was in it. My bad. Don't jinx Sally Field. You heard it here first, guys. Now she's next that it's my fault. No. All right, listeners, you heard it here first.

I'm sorry, Sally Field. Okay. let's get into the uh something new i'm gonna do for the news here um i'm a i'm an avid um movie collector so i'm just gonna give a quick update on upcoming um some blu-rays and dvds coming out all right uh vestron is releasing um layer of the white worm and parents on january 31st wow a couple of weird ones huh yeah and uh lance you already know about this one uh the phantasm box collection's coming on blue ray that's right does it have ravager in it because that would be awesome oh it does yeah and i think it has another disc of like uh behind the same stuff too yeah that one is coming out on march 28th and um is that going to be here in america or because i know yeah as as far as i know we're not getting the cool because uh i've seen one that comes in like one of the the orbs the balls oh yeah opens up Hey, if you listen to last week's horror news radio,

Santos Ellen Jr. was fucking bitching about it the whole fucking show. I want to ball. I want a ball, god damn it. Apparently that was only in the UK. Yeah, we're just getting a regular old box. Oh, we'll also get it, but damn. Oh, yeah, for sure. And a quick update of Blu-rays that already came out this month,

Blair Witch, Ouija Origin of Evil. and... Kevin, I heard that. The Monster and Slumber Party Massacre 2 and 3 double feature. I love those, but I think the monster

was the best out of everything you guys mentioned. That was a cool movie. Okay, our first news, the producers that brought us the ABCs of death are bringing us another horror anthology called The Field Guide to Evil.

What? I heard of the ABCs of Death 2.5, but I haven't heard of the Go Guy to Evil. Better name. Yeah, this is going to be a whole new anthology. It's going to have, they haven't chosen. As far as I know, they're having any direct has been chosen, but it's going to be another horror anthology. Dude, I'm all for it, man. Any anthology, sign me up, man.

Because if you don't like what you're watching, just wait five minutes. And it'll change. I want to see that one that was done by a bunch of chicks. Oh, XX? Have you seen that, Kevin? I heard about it. I've heard of it. I haven't seen it.

Yeah, I watched the preview, and that one looks really good. Looks pretty good. Yeah. What's next? 28 days later in Moonlight star, Naomi Harris, who just recently got nominated for Oscar for Moonlight, has joined the cast of the video game adaptation of Rampage starring Dwayne Johnson.

I still don't know what to think about that one. We'll see what happens when they're going. gets here. I don't know, dude. The director, man. They've got the rock cast in it, though. How bad can it be? Well, fuck, dude. That's sad. I mean, it'll probably be cheesy journey to the center of the earth type shit, but, you know, from what I've been reading, they're going to, they're not going to go as cheesy as a lot of people think it's going to be. Yeah. But they're not going to go for a complete serious tone with the movie either.

Right. I mean, they've got to have some comedy in there. I'm sure. I bet it's going to be good. Some comedy. I bet you it's going to be a lot of comedy. I bet you it's going to be really good. Yeah. And Rampage is actually due April 20 of 2018.

Just give me a lot of monsters. That's all I want. Yeah. Dude, I was excited about it until I heard that Brad Payton was directing it. And then I was like, fuck this bullshit.

So what else has he done? Dude, we've talked about this guy on the show. Look at a picture of this guy. Fucking Santa Andreas. Cats versus dogs. Oh, okay, so he's the Journey to the Center of the Earth guy. He makes cheesy and stupid movies. Bullshit, man.

I like both of those movies. Oh, shit. But the best film he's ever done, his Coup de Grave, Kevin, is a little movie called Incarnate. Oh, I did not like that one. Okay, good. You were going to scare me if you like that one. Journey to the Center of Earth and San Andreas and stuff like that. Oh, there's a San Andreas, too.

They should have looked that one. It really blows my mind that incarnate and the darkness keeps getting mentioned on this show. It doesn't stop. Dude, it's worth mentioning, man. We've got to warn people. They made a movie with these big stars that was so bad that it's inconceivable. Nobody warned me. God damn.

Yeah, for all your first-time listeners, Incarnate and the darkness from last year, avoid them. This year, the bye-bye man. What was your tagline for that, Brian? Don't see it. Don't watch it. There you got. That's all you need to know.

That's true. Okay. Getting into a little bit of Star Wars news, Robe 1 has officially crossed the billion dollar mark. Wow. Which I don't really... It wasn't really surprising to me. Yeah.

What are we? Some more Star Wars news. Woody Harrelson joins the cast of the standalone Han Solo movie. I heard about that. Who the fuck is he going to play? I don't know. Yeah, he's good and everything he does. Yeah, he's one of those actors. Like, I never hear when he's cast it in something.

I'm never like, aw. Well, because he's never like the main character. He's always a supplemental, but he does that so well that he just adds to anything that he's in. Right? Yeah. I don't know how excited I am about him being in this. I'm cool with it. Yeah, it depends on who he plays, though.

Right. He's supposed to be a Han Solo's mentor. Well, that's what I'm hearing. I'm not sure on that. I don't know. All right. Kevin, do you? Kevin, do you?

Go ahead. Yeah, Kevin, do you think this is just going to be one movie, Han Solo, or do you think they're going to try to make more of these? what I think is that I think they will try to make more but I think they're going to wait and to see how good this one does because I don't want them to I mean for me I mean I don't even know who the kid is

who's playing Han Solo You know what I keep forgetting his I mean I can remember Donald Glover's in this Amelia Clark from Game of Thrones is in this I cannot remember this guy's name that's Han Solo Yeah so I mean I don't know Enreich or something like that. Einrich.

Well, just have to wait and see, because, I mean, I'm not going to cast my vote until after the credits start rolling. But if they do go forward with it, make them good. Don't just throw them out constantly. I don't know. A, Rogue One was way better than I expected it to be.

And, I mean, they haven't done wrong with Star Wars yet. Well, wait a minute. On the newer stuff, you know, these last couple of movies, have been really good. Excellent. Yeah, since Disney took over, they can't miss, man. Yeah. Yeah, I think they'll be good from here on out.

Yeah, I think so, too. Just because of Disney. They have that Disney money to make them good. And that's the same deal with Marvel, you know? Those Marvel movies are so kick-ass, man. And I don't even like the Avengers. They're not my guys. But, like, I'm an X-Men guy.

Oh, I cannot wait for Avengers three. I think... But, yeah, you're excited about them. My head is going to explode in the theater. Yeah. Because every week I keep hearing more and more people casted. Yeah. They're supposed to be like upwards over 60 characters in this movie.

Well, and they've built it up enough to do that, and I have faith that they'll do it right. You know what? I think that's overkill. I'm sure it is going to do well, but I'm not going to do it. Yeah, from what I hear, it's, they're bringing back a lot of secondary characters from older movies. Liv Tyler from the Incredible Hulk movie. Right. She's coming back to reprise her role as, what was her name?

Betty, Betty Ross. Was that her name? I don't remember. Yeah, there was a Betty Ross in the Hulk. Yeah, basically she's reprising her the love interest of the Hulk. Okay, that's cool. And I heard Gwen of Prow's coming back for a cameo.

Mm-hmm. Okay. they say Natalie Portman is coming back to reprise a role from Thor but I... Yeah, I don't think that's... I think if she makes a cameo, it'll be a picture of her.

Right. So... No, just put it in the cast. Yeah. To get people to call. Okay. Our last news item is the biggest news item to me.

I'm a big fan of the first two Terminator movies. Hell yeah. James Cameron is set to regain the rights to the franchise. Okay. And... Still got Arnold?

From what I've read, he wants to do a movie that's going to take place after Terminator 2. And this movie will be basically the finale to the series. And they're going after Deadpool director, Tim Miller. Okay. Wow, I think I heard something about this, man. I'm definitely okay with all of that, that

You just said that was. Yeah, I'm on board. What about you, Kevin? Yeah, give me another Terminator, but I'm one of those rare guys that liked all of them. I mean, the first one being my favorite. I do love T2 because that seems to be the fan favorite of all the whole series. Yeah, right. But I didn't mind Rise of the Machines or Salvation or whatever the last one was.

I didn't mind. Genesis. To be honest with you, I kind of enjoyed all of them. I really like Genesis. I thought that was cool. Yeah, everybody fucking shit on it, but I thought it was okay. Yeah, I liked them for what they were. I mean, it was entertainment.

Mainly for me, being the old, the senior guy, well, I think you're older than me, Lance, but I don't know. But anyway, being a kid of the 80s from the beginning with Terminator and then just as we roll in the 90s and into the 2000s, I mean, I was just happy to see that it's still going, that there was still an interest for this character, for this franchise. Couldn't agree more. As well as bringing my little guys on board with all the Terminator movies. That's what I'm trying to do. So that's what I like about it. So, I mean, for what it is, if it's good, it's good. If it's not, I mean, people are going to knock it regardless.

But I'm still on board. You can give me 10 more Terminator movies and I'll still see all of them. Well, Kevin, let me ask you this question. You got your seatbelt on? Oh, yeah. All right. That's good, because it's time to take a little trip. Down to the trailer park.

You get kicked down to trailer park. You wear a seatbelt. Are you wearing a seatbelt? We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first trailer to talk about this week? Our first trailer is for the new Netflix series, starring Drew Barrymore and Timothy Oliphant

Santa Clarita Diet Oh yeah I like what I'm seeing People Kevin what's this What the fuck is this show all about man Um Somehow it looks like

Drew Barrymore Dies and they don't know it And then she becomes Slowly becomes a zombie From what I'm getting In the trailer I mean I didn't even know this was about that.

I mean, I remember seeing the advertisement every time you turn on Netflix, they show a picture of it. And it starts February, whatever. And I was like, okay, what sold me on the show, not even knowing what it was about, other than Drew Barrymore, was Timothy Oleg Fan. I've liked him in everything he's done. So I was like, all right, cool. He's in another good series. I'll check it out. And then watching the trailer, I was like, what?

Now I'm like really blown away. Like, what's going to go on in this? So I'm all in. It's going to be wild, huh? Yeah. What do you think, Brian? You know, I love a good horror comedy. Right.

I think they're going to deliver on this one. Yeah, I think this is one I can actually talk to wife and to watch them with me. Do you all know if it's going to be half hour or hour long? I don't know. Probably from Netflix. A lot of their shows lately have been. been kind of one episode will be an hour another episode will be 45 minutes you know right yeah they did that's really yeah which was super weird they even had a episode that was like what 30 minutes

yeah that was bizarre huh well whatever but uh yeah i'm i'm all in on this one too it looks super funny anything anything that comes on netflix i'm gonna i'm gonna give it a shot period at this point. Yeah, we're getting this one real. Yeah, we're getting this one real soon, February 3rd. All right. Okay, moving on to the next one is Havenhurst, starring Julie Benz, Bell Souch, Josh Stamberg, and one of my favorite scream queens, Daniel Harris. Yeah, I'm going to probably pass on this one. Um, yeah, I mean, I was kind of like, I'll watch it, but I'm not like super excited.

I mean, I was just excited for Daniel Harris because I love her, but. Right. Uh, I don't know, guys, but I'll probably check it out, but I'm not like super excited for it. Yeah, it looks super generic. Yeah, kind of like any other haunted house. Right. Like one of those that's so dark that you can't really tell what's going on. on to the whole movie and

it just looks like every other preview I've ever seen somewhere, you know. Yeah, it didn't really excite me, to be honest. It might be good, I don't know. But, I mean, the preview looked like every other horror, generic horror movie preview, you know? Like they went off the template. Yeah. I believe this one's going to be on VOD

February 10th. Okay. All right. You guys enjoy. All right. And our big trailer for the show is a movie. I didn't even know was being made or coming out is Colossal, starring Anne Hathaway, Anne Hathaway, Dan Stevens, Jason Sadekis, and Tim Blake Nelson. This is directed by Nacho Bigelondo.

Sorry, if I said your name, all wrong. Nacho. He has worked on the BHS and ABCs of Death. series. Oh, so kind of a newer director then. Yes. Interesting. All right.

I didn't know what to expect. I had heard this was kind of like a, you know, monster, kaiju, tearing up a city type of movie. Right. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Yeah, but when you get her finding out that her movements are actually controlling the monster. Mm-hmm. I got super interested in it.

Yeah. Oh, dude, I'm fucking all in for this one. What do you think, Kevin? All I had to mention was Ann Hathaway, and I'm in there because I don't know. I don't know what it was, but I've always liked her. I don't know what it is either. I'm not a fan to Anne Hathaway. What?

I am not a fan. Ah, well, maybe this will turn you, man. Watch Havoc. Did you see that one? No. She's not one of my favorite people, but I mean, I think that she picks good, unique movie roles, and this, it looks like one of them to me. It's probably kind of a more of a metaphoric alcoholism problem type movie, I think. Right.

But it looks like they threw some comedy in there instead of like the way the monster did, where it was super serious the whole time. So I had heard before that Sudakis was in it, but did you guys know that fucking. Dan Stevens is in this movie? No. Not until I've seen the trailer. That bad dude is, I've never seen him do a bad role. And he's also a British actor, isn't he? I believe

so. I know he plays Beast in the new Beauty and the Beast live action movie that's coming out, but he's going to be Legion in the TV show Legion. Oh, okay. And you Bill, you mentioned you were an X-Men. Yeah. Yeah, so this dude is fucking awesome. Have you ever seen the guest?

Yes. a fucking brilliant film dude this guy is awesome yeah yeah I'm really excited for this now didn't he come from uh downton abbey

originally you know what you're you're absolutely right he fucking wasn't downton abbey I've never seen it but I heard he's one of the major characters in it so yeah dude anything he's in anything Anne Hathaway is in

I'm totally fucking in and I love the plot line I got so excited when I was watching It's a cool idea. She raised her hand up and she said, watch this. And the fucking Kaiju raised its hand up.

Yeah. That's fucking amazing. I mean, they can do it wild with this. I mean, you talk about a fucking chance here to have a goddamn a new series of movies where you have the same characters in it over and over again

and she fights different, different evil. God damn it! She could be in the fucking King Kong, the new King Kong and Godzilla series they're putting together. You're taking a series. That would be perfect, man. You're taking a superhero.

approach to it. I don't think that's the way. No, dude, I'd be fine with that, though. There's so much potential here. That would be cool. I don't think that's the approach that they're taking. I'm excited. I haven't been this excited in a long time. The last movie I was this excited to see was the one we're going to do in two weeks, the Cure for Wellness. I think you're going to go in there thinking it's a totally different movie than what it is. Am I going to be disappointed? I don't know. I think it's going to be an awesome movie, but I don't think they're going to do Supergirl with it.

All right. Well, we'll see. All right. Yeah, we'll see. April 7 It'll get released April 7 All right All right Hey that's a day's birthday

Uh oh Maybe she'll come with me Maybe All right Save me Is that even going to be in the theater? Oh yeah That one's definitely going to the theater

It's got Anne Hathaway Dude come on And that has to have a big budget Look at all the CGI shit they got going in it I mean I'm in to it and I want to see it, but

I don't know if I'll get it in the area I'm at because I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'll wait. I'll have to travel to go see it. You're going to be surprised, man. You guys are fucking with me. This is going to be the biggest fucking movie of

2017. Mark my words. I don't know about that. You got to wait until December. That's the biggest movie of the year. I think Kevin's right on with that one. All right, fair enough.

You guys ready for listener feedback? Yes, sir. This week we got an email from our good friend Patrick Lear. Patrick writes, hey guys, I'm listening to the passengers show and am in disbelief the most... That always fucks with us with us, man. I got to read it again. Hang on. I'm listening to the passenger show and am in disbelief, the most, if not all of you, barely remember or have never seen one of the all-time great sci-fi movies of all time.

There are so many things that make this movie great. However, I'm not going to list them here other than this one. It's a Philip K. Dick adaption. If you aren't familiar here, some others, Total Recall, Paycheck, Next, Adjustment Bureau, Minority Report, a scanner darkly, and there are others. There are several versions out there. and you were not sure which one the final cut is as good as in it.

The visuals in this movie for 1982 are stunning. Get busy and watch it, you'll be glad you did. As always, keep the hits coming. Thanks to everybody who reaches out for us. It reaches out to us. We love the feedback. And as always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page or any other social media stuff

or you can email us directly at thehorroriturns.gumel. I love to hear from you. it coming. Okay, now, so is the Passengers a remake? I don't think so. Who's banging around a fucking tin can over there, guys? Sorry, that's me. You feeding your dogs or what?

I thought maybe that was Brian feeding all of his fucking sled dogs up there or something. They've already around. This dog's bugging me. I don't think Passengers is a remake, isn't it? No, okay, so what's he talking about them?

No, he's talking about a Blade Runner. Yeah, I don't, I think he, we didn't give enough love to it or didn't really. Honestly, I've seen the movie maybe twice. Right. Dude, Patrick, I'm sorry, man. You're kind of old. I thought I was the old dude here. You are the old dude.

I mean. Thanks a lot, Kevin. I mean, when the, when. When the Blade Runner, when the new one comes out, I mean, we're definitely going to have to rewatch, you know, the original one. But the original was what, 1982? Yeah, I just, it's, it's, it's boring, dude, sorry. It didn't really hit home for me, you know.

Wait, the original Blade Runner? Yeah, it's not one of my favorite sci-fi movies. I mean. Oh, you need to watch it again. Oh, Kevin, Kevin, there's a reason we invited you to be on this show, let's tell us all about it, man. No, I totally need to go back and watch it again. Yeah.

Go, Kevin. For the time of when it came out, I mean, it was an amazing other than special effects. Ridley Scott, probably one of my favorite movies he's done, because I don't want to say his best movie, then everyone will pile on top of me. Right. Yeah, me included, man. Alien. Yeah, Alien is probably his best movie, in my opinion. But it was an amazing movie for the year that it came out.

And it was just visually awesome. I mean, Harrison Ford was a badass. You got Rector Howard. He's always good in everything he's done. Well, not everything. But just being the lead replicant in that. And Darrell Hanna, she was visually good to look at. Always.

I don't know, man. That whole, the whole story. I mean, it was a good science fiction movie. It was a good science fiction story. I'm going to go back and watch. Yeah, and hey, Kevin, Kevin, speaking of the movie Darling, I was just talking about the Mickey Keating movie, Sean Young, she's in it too.

Yeah. And she looked damn good in that one. I mean, everyone was much younger back then. I mean, everyone looked good. But it was an amazing movie for what it was. I mean, Ridley Scott was, hasn't really put out anything bad that I've seen. I mean, he's done other movies that I never really seen. But Blade Runner is one of his best.

And like I said, it's an amazing science fiction movie. All right, Patrick, because you told me, too, I'm going to go, watch it this week, man. I promise. The one to watch, I don't know if it's out there because I have the, I have the Blu-ray and the DVD and it's the director's cut one. The version I'm

looking for is the theatrical cut. There was a narration for Decker. He was narrating the movie. I heard about that. The voiceover shit. Yeah, he's not. I mean, I liked when he was talking and explaining

and stuff. So I'm trying to find that version somewhere. I'll take it on VHS, if anything, but I can't find it online or anywhere. All right. Well, if any of our listeners know how to find that, you can definitely reach out to us. Just email us at our email, and we'll make sure we pass it along to Kevin then. Cool. Thanks.

All right. All right. So you guys ready to move on to the featured attractions? Let's do it. All right. So it's time for our featured attractions. This week, we split our personalities to cover Raising Kane as well as the new M-Kymline film Split.

So as always, we're going to start with some trivia for the first movie, Raising Kane. The director and writer was Brian DePalma. And I'm sure everybody's heard of this guy. He's also known for Carrie, Scarface, and Mission to Mars. I heard a couple of those movies. Yeah, one or two. I didn't mention even half the movies he's directed, you know. I mean, this guy's been around for us.

ever. Kevin, I'm sure you know all about him, dude. My favorite movie, everyone always goes to Scarface when you hear Brian De Palma. It's one of my favorites, too. But my favorite movie he's done was Dress to Kill with Angie Dickinson, Keith Gordon,

and Nancy Allen. Dressed to Kill was good, but have you guys blowout? I was just about to mention that with John Travolta. That movie was awesome, too. Very awesome, dude. As well as body double. Have you seen that one?

Absolutely, man. Absolutely. He's had some stinkers, but pretty much everything he's done has been pretty good. Yeah, for the most part, he's a master, I would say. According to Linda Rasmussen at the All-Movie website, this particular movie, Raising Kane, pays homage to Alfred Hitchcock, along with Orson Wells and Michael Powell's Peeping Tom, which we've reviewed on this show before. actor John Lithgow appears at times in drag in this movie

as does the actor in the next movie we were going to talk about as he is previously but completely in a role around a decade earlier in the world according to Garth for which he was Oscar nominated for Best Supporting Actor but he did lose that year to Lewis Gossett Jr. for an officer and a gentleman star John Lithgow portrays five characters or personalities in the picture. They are Kane, Josh, Nick Senior, Margo, and Dr. Carter Nix. So again, I think, I think you guys, Brian, I think when you, when you mentioned this movie, you picked a really, really good

movie to compare to the next one we're going to talk about Split. And you may be the only person out of this group that's seen this movie. Because I know Philip told me he had trouble downloading it. He was sailing the pirate seas and couldn't find it. Oh, I found it. Oh, you did see it? No, yeah. I found it. Oh, fuck. Okay, cool. So I'm the only asshole that hasn't seen it. Kevin, have you seen it? I've seen it a long time ago when it came out. All right, well, who wants to go first? I guess I'll go first. Yeah, I vaguely remember seeing this, so it was interesting to rewatch it because it's very, it is very hitchcocky. And to me, a lot of influences to him.

And John Lithgow, he's, I thought he was amazing in this portraying the different characters. Yeah, now that he mentions the Hitchcock thing, I can kind of see that in there. Re-watching it and

I didn't like it as as much as I did. It's a little dated. It's a lot of dated. Yeah, the dream sequences was kind of throwing me off with I can't think of the actresses name.

It was just, I don't know, it was her whole thing, that whole storyline with Manny from Scarface was kind of just throwing me off and I wanted more of what was going on with John Lithgow more of his

backstory of his, you know, where these, I wanted more of the personalities and see and that's why when Lance was asking if I watched it, I was like, I kind of watched it, okay, I watched it. I watched half of it and couldn't get through

anymore. Because I didn't know what the fuck was going on. Was that confusing? Yes. They couldn't finish a complete thought. This guy was on acid, I'm telling you, when he made this movie, because nothing makes any sense. He jumps from storyline to storyline to storyline. Every other scene is a dream sequence. I didn't

get any of it. It was, the most dated thing I've watched since fucking terror train that's good no it was I love terror train yeah no it was more dated

it was it was it was dated like phantasm was dated ah okay okay and uh everything was so they made everything so serious every scene was like a right close up on somebody's face

it was because she had to like slam on her brakes and swerve to miss some kids crossing the street or something, you know, it wasn't even something that was like a scary thing. And I don't know, it just, it had so many different trains of thoughts going at the same time that, uh, that I couldn't follow it. And yeah, I mean, granted, I maybe I should have been paying more attention to it, but man, I, this was, this was, I think, I think I read somewhere that, I think I read somewhere that, um, there's, it's neither not filmed in sequence or there were scenes taken out or something to that effect that, that that's why it might, might feel a little disjointed. Yeah.

No shit. Okay. Okay. Well, there you go, man. Well, maybe that was it. You're justified, brother. Well, because it was like, I'm like, who are these? Like, I get up and use a bathroom and come back and it's a totally different story with

totally different people going on. I'm like, what happened to John Lithgow? He was here a minute ago. Yeah, because there's, there's even characters that they make it seem like they're important to the, like the retired detective that he wants to get back on, onto the, the case. They let him back on the case and then you don't really hear from him again. Right.

I really didn't under it because he came in. He was like I remember a case similar to this with his father. Yeah. And then they're like, okay, you're back on the force. You're back on the case. And then you don't hear from him again. Okay, let me ask you this.

Was he like the cop? And Kevin's going to, Kevin's going to jump up here. Watch. Was he like the cop? in that fucking piece of shit. You want to talk, David? That fucking witchboard movie, God damn it. What the, oh, fuck.

Hey. Get us, man. You've been dying to do this. Come on, man. It's all you. Not to change subject, man, but that movie was awesome. I don't know what you guys were watching. I had witchboard, man.

This had witchboard level. I hated John Legend for this movie. I thought he was awful. Come on, Kevin. Get us, dude. Get us. in defense of that. They had Tony Ketay naked.

Well, I know that's the only good redeeming brother of the fucking movie. Yeah, dude, nobody's going to argue with you on that one. These two guys are fucking top suckers, man, these two idiots that were enemies, but they were best friends and they became best friends again. All right, Kevin, kill us, dude.

Tell us how good witch board is. Wait, real, real quick, in defense of witchboard, I would rather have the cop with the magic tricks in Raising Kane. Then, than the retired detective that had nothing to do with anything. That's true.

Hey, guys, let Kevin speak. That movie was, I mean, that movie was, I mean, of course, yes, it's cheesy and it's 80s and everything. But it had, at the time, it had everything that you wanted in a Ouija board movie. I made it true. I made it true. That one. The only two big stars in the movie at the, at the movie. the time was

Tonicotane and the other dude, the ex-boyfriend. I can't remember his name. He's Patch on Days of Our Lives, I think, or one of those soap operatives. Oh, dude, you're not picking up any fans here, brother. No, but I'm just saying that's what

he did this right before he jumped onto that. Right. He's like super big. I mean, if any of you guys watch the stories, I don't, but you know who this guy, who that guy. Hey, some of the big man guys started there. Yeah, you're talking about Todd Allen, right?

Yeah, that dude. I mean, but it was cheesy, and that's at that time when it came out, that's all we had. Oh, he was in Django Unchained. Did you know that? Yeah, fuck yeah, dude. I'm looking up his IMDB right now. Oh, he's, fuck, this dude's been around, man. He played Dollar Bill in Jango Unchained.

I don't know who that is, but... I don't even, but... I don't remember him. I'll have to watch. You're right, the dude has been around for sure. Yeah. I mean, the movie is a garbage man. No, not that, dude. That was the main boyfriend.

The ex-boyfriend, the blonde dude. Oh, the ex. Yeah, the one who brought the Ouija board. That guy. Stephen Nichols. I don't know. I mean, I'll defend that movie to the end, and I love it. And I'm sure there's some listeners out there that are with.

me on loving witch board part two was stupid part three was even more yeah i know that was the most controversial ah yeah the young and the restless the young and the restless okay this is him the days of our lives the young oh and he was in general hospital this fucking douchebag was in every goddamn fucking soap opera from here to eternity holy shit kevin we got to get you on the show more man you fucking got me going brother this fucking douchebag asshole motherfucker this movie's Sox! But all the ladies loved him and they knew who it was. And when they found out he was in this movie, they all win socks.

Oh, yeah. Okay. God, damn, dude. My heart's going twice as normal speed right now, man. Damn, Kevin, you got me going, man. We took a hell of a tangent there. Holy shit, dude. So that's what this movie compares to the Witchboard.

I finished Witchboard. Was it Witchboard or Duce Board? I finished Witchboard. I didn't finish this one. I didn't want to watch this one. Damn. My wife wouldn't watch it. it. She was like, first 10 minutes of the movie, she was like, I don't want to watch this.

Yeah, I did, I did find the thing I was reading about the pacing of the movie. I guess if you get the, the collector's edition, Blu-ray, it has the director's cut. And the scenes are reorganized as they're originally intended. So the scenes in the movie that we both probably seen are probably not the way they intended the movie to go. Okay. Which really makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. Because the movie was really confusing. But, you know, there's a lot of people that really like this movie. This is going to be another one where people are going to jump our ass for hating on it. But man, I probably pan, right? Dude, I hated this movie. I hated it. It was terrible.

So, hey, Kevin, do you remember enough about this movie to chime in? I don't remember. I didn't hate it. but all that from one now that you guys are talking about it it's coming back to me but um

John Lithgow he's an amazing actor he can't take anything away from him he's always done so much good stuff but yeah um that's Brian De Palma's style how he splits everything up and and just

just the way he films it all because I mean I didn't know there was a director's cut where they fix it all I'm going to check that one out but um when I seen it at that time, it was bouncing all over the place because that's how Brian De Palma makes his movies. I mean, he's done other movies like that that jump all over the place.

Yeah. Yeah, that's about much as I can say. I mean, just from the little bit, I have only seen it once. Well, yeah, if anybody wants to check out the director's cut, it's a collector's edition released by Screen Factory. Is that out? Yeah, it was released last year. Okay. See, and, you know, jumping all over the place, like Pulp Fiction Style, I can deal with.

That's one of my favorite movies. And maybe I should have just paid a little more attention to this one, but it was so cheesy on top of that. That I had a hard time with it, man. It was, and I looked it up before I came out here, and they were saying that it was one of Brian De Palma's biggest controversial movies, because, you know, some people love it. They towed it as his masterpiece. you know. Really?

Yeah. And then a lot of others, like me, are like, this is totally disjointed. It doesn't make any sense. Hmm. And it's cheesy. All right. I mean, I may have to check it out. Yeah, I mean, I think me and Philip disagree.

You said you didn't like John Lithgow on this. I thought he was fine in this. I thought he did a good job. It was everyone else was horrible in this movie. I can deal with that because I, in general, kind of like John Lithgow. My wife doesn't. But I like him in about every other thing I'd say. seeing him too. All right, you guys

ready for ratings? I think so. I went first. I think I went first. I think so, man. Yeah. I think re-watching this, it kind of, I think I would have had a, without re-watching

it, I think I would have gave it a higher rating just off of memory, but re-watching it, I think I might have to give it a five. Because I just really Okay, middle of the road at least. Yeah, it's not that horrible. I think for me personally, John Lithgow

redeems something in the movie with his acting. It was just everybody else and the way the story was disjointed. Right. And certain characters and things, situations will come into play and then you would think that's going to have something to do with the movie and then it just kind of doesn't.

So I'm going to have to go with a five on this one. All right. I'm gonna, you know, I gotta go with my gut here. And I'll watch a lot of dumbass movies and make it all the way through them. And I couldn't make it all the way through this one. I gotta give it a one. Oh, shit. Just to stay true to it, dude. I just like the movie.

I'm sure a lot of people are going to disagree with me. That's fine. But, man, it was rough. Real quick, you would re-watch the bye-bye man before this one. I would rewatch it. Oh, damn. Oh, my gosh. I don't even know what's going on that now.

We are officially banning Philip from the rest of this podcast. I couldn't make it through the damn movie. I can't give it a higher rating. All right, Kevin. It's rare that I can't make it through a movie. I watch some dumb shit. I'm telling you. Kevin, do you remember enough to give it a rating?

This isn't my final rating for this because I can barely remember it. But I do remember I enjoyed it, so I'm going to give it a four. It might be higher if I rewatch it. But to be fair, I'll give it a four. I was kind of leaning more towards five, but I don't know. I got to give it four. So it doesn't exactly sound like Brian De Palma's masterpiece. Not to me.

All right. Some people it is, man. Maybe they get it. I didn't get it. I'll probably skip it then. All right, so we're moving on to our second and main feature of the night, which is the new M. Night Shyamalan film Split. So, as you all know, the director and the writer,

because he always writes his own movies and directs him, is M. Knight Shyamalan, also known for the Sixth Sense, Signs and the Visit. Now, this might surprise you guys. I was kind of thinking this would have made a completely different movie, but Joaquin Phoenix was originally cast for, the role of Kevin. Joaquin. Joaquin.

Okay, whatever. But he couldn't do it due to scheduling difficulties. So James McAvoy took his place and I'm fucking glad he did. Yeah, I think I think Joaquin Phoenix would have done well too. But I really like James. Yeah, he might have been good, but I, well, we'll get into it when we talk about it. This is the second film collaboration for M. Knight and Jason Bloom, the other being The Visit, which I also enjoyed.

Right. M. Knight stated that shooting this film was the most challenging of his career. Really? Whatever that means. So, Kevin, you're our guest, and I know you've seen this most recently, so will you go first, my friend? I thought this movie was amazing. I loved it. McAvoy was brilliant in this movie.

And why I'd say brilliant was just watching his performance. and before when they show him as these these alternate people he's being it was it was kind of like he's one person then he'd walk off screen and then come back as the other one I was kind of like ah okay that's cool but there was a scene

in this movie where he was talking to his psychiatrist and how he was one person the camera just stayed on him the whole time and just his facial expressions just switching over into the next

character and I was like oh my God I mean I loved him definitive personalities yes I mean I loved him in the X-Men movies but this movie I was

I wasn't I mean I like Shama Lans movies not to me a lot of people hate him because they I mean I've enjoyed everyone he's done but this one is

an amazing movie and I loved it and the little chick from the witch. Yes. I loved her in that movie. Yeah, she's also Morgan. All right. Don't hold that against her. That's okay.

I haven't seen that one yet, and I want to see it. It was a lot. But she's an awesome. Oh. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to bring it down. I'm just telling you, that movie I thought was really poorly directed. Actually, the writing was horrible.

It's not her fault. That's not her fault at all. She did fine. She did well. fine, Kevin, but to be honest with you, man, the way that script was written, I saw the ending coming like a third of the way through the movie, which I fucking hate when I figure it out that quick. I think she did well in it. Yeah, but I thought she did an awesome job in this. I hated the other two girls in it, but this movie was good. I mean, M. Night Shyamalan, everyone was saying, oh, he's back. To me, he never left. I thought, like I said, I've enjoyed everything he's done. And this movie is, if I had to put him, them all in an order. I wouldn't put this in the top two or three, but it's an awesome movie, and I loved it.

And McAvoy just did this role amazingly. You said you would or wouldn't put it in the top two or three? I wouldn't. No, he wouldn't put it in the top two. But he said it's definitely in the top half, right? Kevin? Yeah. Well, out of his movies, yeah.

Yes, awesome. We'll get to that later. Definitely. I think I probably would put it in his top two or three movies. No shit? Yeah, well, Shyamalan's really hit or miss for me. He's got some that are really good. I mean, obviously Sixth Sense was kind of a masterpiece.

The rest of him, he's done some good, some really bad. So he's got a lot of potential, but doesn't always hit it out of the park. And in this one, man, I think he made some. solid contact. It's a good, it's a good movie. I think James McAvoy was definitely the right choice. He was, he was the whole movie. He was awesome in this. And his acting was on point. I do love him and everything that I see him in and he really killed it in this. Without him, I don't think this would have been a really awesome movie. But with him, it was pretty good. I like the main chick, the one from Morgan. She was really good.

You know, not all the acting was really kick-ass, but the ones that mattered were. Right. And I think it was a good storyline. I love the way they tied it up at the end. I mean, we'll get a little more into it in spoilers, but this was definitely one of his better movies. I was impressed. I'm going to say that it's an absolute fucking sin that this movie came out as early. in the year as it did, because there's no

fucking way that McAvoy is going to be considered for a best actor Oscar. He should be, though. For this movie, I don't think that they would have put him in any way. No, but he should be. He was fucking phenomenal. This was a great performance by McAvoy. The movie

itself, it's not my favorite M. Night movie, because a lot of people are going to kill me on this, but I loved the village. I really loved it. And I also loved Lady in the Water. of people are down on that movie. Yeah, I was terrible. But obviously the six cents

and unbreakable, those as far as I'm concerned, those four movies are the best four M-night movies, in my opinion. And I love the twist at the end. In my opinion, the twist at the end of this movie wasn't as strong as I wanted it to be.

When he got into the car to kidnap the girls, and this isn't a spoiler, it was at the very beginning of the movie. Right. He didn't... It's in the trailer. It was almost like he didn't see her. And I thought, okay, that's going to play into the ending. We're going to get the M-night twist. The reason he didn't see her is because he is her.

I thought somehow at the end she was going to be part of his personalities. Oh, that would be good. And I was a little disappointed that they didn't pull that in, but it kind of would have been a cheat if she had, you know? Yeah. So I kind of enjoyed the ending, and I think it really, really, really sets it up for another movie, which we're going to get into in spoilers, because we definitely can. I can't talk about the very ending, yeah. I actually have some news on that that'll wait for spoilers.

Absolutely. Okay, cool. So, okay, I would give his performance a 10 out of 10. The movie, I'll tell my score in a little bit, but what did you think, Brian? I fucking love this movie. I thought McAvoy was incredible in this movie. The transition from one personality to the, next. I really enjoyed it.

He is such a good actor, man. I had no fucking idea. Yeah. Each character. He was so good as Professor X though, too. Yeah, each character was distinct. Like, you knew exactly. Once you start going through the movie, you know, you start learning their names. You knew exactly who was who. Right. It's not like, you know, one sounded like the other or one, you know. Right. And I thought he did a phenomenal job on.

that I at first when the movie started I thought the movie started moving a little too fast and it kind of worried me right but it actually worked out I like the pacing actually um I actually liked it going through the movie right um I what is the actress name uh Ania Taylor Joy I believe her name is from The Witch and Morgan right sure I I really I'm really starting to enjoy her movies and it's getting to the point where Morgan wasn't that great, but her performance I thought was good. Morgan wasn't that great. You guys liked it more than I did. It was sure. Yeah. Yeah. There was a good idea somewhere in that movie.

Yeah. Hey, Kevin, I don't mean to interrupt, Brian, but Kevin, have you seen Morgan? No, no, yes. That's the one I want to see. All right. Yeah, dude. I mean, all right. Go on.

Go ahead, Brian. Sorry. I'm not going to say anything. And I actually, well, this might be my top three Shama LaMovies right here. No shit. I really, really enjoyed it. I think it's my fifth favorite after the four I mentioned earlier. I think it comes right in under Unbreakable.

Definitely. Unbreakable is my number one Sharmelon movie. All right. Speaking of Unbreakable, are you guys ready for spoilers? That was kind of fucked up. You ready? Just enough of a team. Right, Brian?

Yes. All right. Spoiler territory. Who wants to go first? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. Well, man, I think your big spoiler is going to be Bruce Phyllis at the end of that movie. And I didn't realize that it was going to be a superhero type movie until that came along. and I definitely got excited when it did. And I assume if you're listening to the spoiler territory that you've already seen the movie and you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, real quick news about that. That is what Shyamalan wants to do.

His next movie, he wants to have it. Basically, it's going to be a sequel to Split and Unbreakable in one movie. Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. And the character, what do they refer to him as the Horde, James McAvoy's. This was actually written for the first Unbreakable movie, this character. Oh, so he was supposed to be a character in the movie, and then they ended up writing him as a whole movie instead? Yes. Okay.

So I'm super excited for this if it goes down. Hell yeah. to have Bruce Willis's character from Unbreakable meets James McAvoy's character from Split in one movie. Yeah. Then you put, you know, Shaman right in that, his own little comic book universe that he's created track. And I think that that's cool. And back to the movie itself, like I said, his James McAvoy's performances from each of the characters like Barry, Dennis, Patricia, Uh, headwig. Headwig.

I thought they were just incredible because, like I said before, each one was distinct. And it really was their own personality. And I was really anticipating the end because they kept talking about the beast. And I was wondering where they was going to go with this. Okay, with the beast, though, I was a little disappointed in the crawling on the walls bullshit that they pulled. because that was super cheesy. But you got to understand, though,

if they're putting this in the unbreakable world, they talked about that and that that was a, what was his, Samuel Jackson's whole mission was to find somebody that was on the other spectrum of his condition. If he's super frail,

there's got to be someone super strong. Right. And I think that's what they're trying to set up in this world, that there's people with these, abilities. Well, yeah. And I just, I didn't like the, the way that they

shot the crawling on the wall. Okay. Because it wasn't like a Spider-Man thing. It was like a, it was like a cheesy CGI deal. Okay. I see what you're saying. I thought it was goofy. You know, not that he, not the fact

that he crawled on the walls, just the way that they shot it. Okay, okay. I did like the effects, though, of how, how his doctor, his psychiatrist or whatever said that people with these disorders can, basically changed their body chemistry and changed their body. Yeah.

How he was becoming the beast. He didn't like get super muscular, but he looked a little bit more cut. Oh yeah. You can see the veins. Like vainy. Yeah. I really. I really like that.

That was cool because they did a, I almost wanted a little more of a transformation, but I thought that they did it in like realistic territory where it could actually happened, you know, you're thinking, wow, this could be real. But until he started crawling on the walls, and then it was, and then it was goofy. Because it's not like he was grabbing rocks and climbing on the walls. It was just like he was stuck to a fucking sticky wall, you know. Like Spider-Man, huh? Yeah, but it wasn't even, it just wasn't done as well as they did Spider-Man.

Like, I was just irritated at that one scene where he's crawling on the walls. I was like, man, if they'd had nailed that scene, that'd be it. Yeah, they had a modest budget for this. I believe it was $9 million. And it made... And they probably spent it all on Maccaboy. Yeah, it made over $40 million over the opening weekend. Well, I think that that Unbreakable sequel that I heard about is going to happen then.

Yeah, that's what you're actually a crossover, right? Yeah. And have you all seen... I'm looking at the original poster for Unbreakable, where it looks like it's a painted glass that's broken. Yeah. And look at the split original poster. Yeah. Holy shit. He did that on purpose, you fucking asshole.

I'm sure he did, dude. Him not, you asshole. Look, you know, dog, that guy all you want, he's still super talented, man. Oh, I love it, man. He's definitely hit or miss for me, but he's really talented. When he's on, he is on. As far as I'm concerned, he's only made two shitty movies. The last Airbender was shitty.

Okay. For sure. And also the one with Marky Marking, it was shitty. That's a guilty point. You could put that on in a lot. That was good. I liked it. The happening.

You all like that? The happening. I thought it. I liked it. I liked it. Oh, dude. I fucking hated it. But I loved the village.

So, hey, everybody has their own opinion. The village was actually an okay movie until the end. No, I love the end. That was my favorite part of the movie, man. It was trash. Oh, I love the fucking ending, man. It was a terrible movie. Oh, fuck you, asshole.

Fuck you, man. Get the fuck out of here, Phil. I like the villager. You like the villager. You're fired. I loved it, man. I like the last airbender Only because I didn't know what it was

I can't I can't talk for my My older two boys that went and saw it with me because they were tearing that movie apart Really? I'm sitting there watching it From the mouths of babes Wisdom comes I haven't watched it out I don't know it's a piece of shit

Is it? Yeah my son tore it apart too So you'd probably like it, Philip Maybe I don't know I've never seen it Yeah, my son tore it apart too. He said it wasn't, it wasn't faithful to the show. Yeah, they said the cartoon is awesome. But the movie just, to me, it did not catch me at all.

We'll see you when you, and we'll talk about that later in our next episode, but when you get to things that aren't faithful, right? There's a crowd out there that's not going to like it, you know? Makes sense. Makes perfect sense. All right. Were you guys ready to wrap up? I even like, hold on, I didn't even give my two cents yet.

Oh, shit. I'm sorry, I did. I even liked the one with Will Smith and his son. Was it after Earth or whatever? Oh. I've never seen that. Yeah, it is, man. Yeah, he kept his name off the poster, off the advertisement, everything.

But when you saw the movie at the very end, I liked it. I mean, for what it was, but, right. Split. I mean, like I said, I mean, I love. love the whole movie and it was awesome, but the very ending when they were sitting in that little diner and when Bruce

Willis' character pops in from Unbreakable, because I was just kind of sitting there, well, first I was like, well, where's the twist at? And you know his movies. When you, just, his name pops up on the screen, this is something that he's deal with. There's always that twist in it. Right. So the whole movie, I need to watch this movie again

because I was really trying to figure out, okay, I know there's a twist coming. what is it? At first I thought it was all on that girl's head. Then I was thinking it was in the psychiatrist's head that she was creating all this. Because then it was kind of leaning towards more that girl because of the situation she was having with her uncle. Right. So I was thinking, well, maybe this is all on her head. But then when the psychiatrist got there and opened up the doors and found the other girls dead, I was like, okay, this did that kind of erased all my theory. So I was trying to just sit there and think of what was going on

I mean yeah like even that Yeah I didn't like that him crawling on the wall I thought that was kind of dumb Well not the idea of it but just how it looked Yeah the way that they did it They just didn't put enough money into that particular shot Yeah and But when he when he was turning into the beast

I was like okay And then I was then I was thinking What's going on is it Whose head is this in so I wasn't sure because I was just really sitting there trying to figure it all out. But when we finally got to the end and the girl just, did you guys think that she told the cops about her uncle? Because when they said, oh, your uncle's here.

And she, like, just looked at him. Yeah, I kind of got that feeling. Dude, I wanted to have that sense of finality that she did, you know? Yeah, because those scenes with her uncle when she was younger, those were super uncomfortable. Oh, man, I hated that cocksucker, man. I fucking hated that guy. Boy, there is talk to him.

Go ahead. Yeah, I didn't like that guy. He's a character in Orange's the New Black. So as soon as he popped up on the screen, I was like, oh, man. Yeah, he's one of the prison guards. He's like, oh, I hate, I said, I hate this guy. But, yeah, man, when she pulled that shotgun on him, I was just like, please pull the trigger. Because a little girl knew how to handle weapons.

Oh, but, so after all that, when she was sitting in a car, and she didn't get out. I was just thinking, okay, is it her? Is it in her head? But then the credits roll. So I was like, whoa, what's the twist? Right. Yeah, me too, man.

I was wrong about thinking about everything. See, I never even looked at it like that. I was just watching the movie for what it was instead of looking for the twist. Because it doesn't have the typical M. Night Shyamalan twist. And I actually liked it probably better because of that. Really? Yeah. I kind of did, too, in a way.

Normally, I'm a big fan of what he does with his twist, but that's what has got. him on these last few movies that he's done where everybody's dogging him so hard is because his twist is never going to be as good as it was in the sixth sense. And I think he just didn't even try to do that in this one. He just made like a superhero movie and set up a superhero origin story without saying that he was doing that. Yeah, I mean, because sitting in the theater in the town that,

I live in. This town sucks. I go see a comedy nobody laughs. I go see action movies. I'm the only one going ooh, ah, and all that, during all that.

But during that, at the end of this one, at the end of this movie, when that lady was like, hey, this sounds like that guy in the wheelchair. You're all right?

Sorry, dude, man. Fucking Philadelphia. You kill me with that, dude. Wait, when she said, this reminds me of that guy in the wheelchair. And then I just, my eyes opened up and I went, and then when Bruce Willis popped around the corner and said, you're talking about Mr. Glass, I went, oh, my God.

I was like a lot of one in the theater. And I don't think any, any, other than my wife, I don't think anybody in the theater got. it. I was so excited. Absolutely. The reason was like, that's the way to end the movie right there. Yeah, absolutely. In my theater,

when we were walking out, I was hearing people like trying to figure out what was going on. So apparently, shame on you people for not watching Unbreakable. No shit. No shit. That's a good movie. Because why would they have Bruce Lewis in the movie if he's only going to be in the end? I don't

understand. It blows my mind. Yeah, that's how I felt. And my wife, she knew, but she wasn't excited as I am. The reason I got so excited and I, like, basically screamed in the theater, Unbreakable is my favorite M. Night Shyamalan movie. I love that movie so much. I think that's his best movie he's done. It's my number two. Six cents right after that.

But, I mean, I was, that was the only reason I was so excited at the end of this movie. I was like, oh, my God, I need to go home and watch Unbreakable. I know, right? I can't wait for the next one. I hope he takes some time with it. Don't just throw it out. Right. Give us a couple more years.

He needs to get creative with it because he's got to have a good idea. Yeah. What I'm worried about is how successful this movie is. Yeah. That they're going to try to put, that they're going to try to push it out fast. Yeah, I know. But that's okay. That's okay, too.

I think he can handle it, man. I don't think he can work well under pressure. I think Shama. needs his own creative time and you've got to let him work under his circumstances because if he doesn't then he's going to push out a crap movie well i guess we're going to find out yeah all right you guys i think he should put he i think he hold on i think he should put something else out before that one i think so too maybe he had maybe he has something on the back burner that he just wants okay i got this idea let me put this out then really concentrate on unbreakable yeah yeah well i think

be called. I think he's already came out and said that that's going to be the next one he wants to do. Take a time. All right. If you're listening, M. Night Shyamalan, because we're worldwide. I'm Mr. Worldwide. Take your time. Do it right.

All right. Let's wrap this up so we can go back and do our ratings because we have to record that separately. I fucked up. Oh, we just give our ratings. All right. You guys ready? Yeah. All right.

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