The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #340: Barbarian (2022), Pearl (2022) & Terrifier 2 (2022)

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

This week, we are joined by filmmaker Gabriel Theis to catch up on some movies from the current year. We cover Barbarian, Pearl, and Terrifier 2. We also discuss Gabriel's film, The Curse of Professor Zardonicus, which you can catch streaming on Tubi, VOD, or on Blu-ray now. Cool of the Week includes The Fabelmans, The Watcher, My Best Friend's Exorcism, and Anne Rice's Interview With the Vampire. The podcast spotlight shines on Horror For Dummies and Not That Bad. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

This is Richard Brake, who plays Doomhead, and you're listening to the horror returns. Stay tuned. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Greetings, victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal,

welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us

in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All right, welcome back one and all to the horror returns. It's the greatest show on Earth. Gather around all ye for our wonderful show with myself, Lance, as well as my slew of co-host. And tonight we've got Brian. So. But it's all right.

It's all right. Phil may pop in. I knew Nez wasn't going to be here tonight. But it's all good because we got a very special guest. We've got filmmaker. And as I've recently learned podcaster, Gabriel, and I'm assuming it's pronounced Tyse. Yeah. Yeah.

Pretty good. All right. Yeah. You're from the, you're from the Houston area. That's right. That's right. I recently moved out to L.A. I'm back in Houston for the holidays, though.

Nice. What got you into filmmaking? And then we'll talk about the podcast because I didn't know about that. Yeah. I mean, the podcast is a fun hobby, but filmmaking is my real passion, right? I've always wanted to be a filmmaker. I've been making shorts. and things like that since high school.

And then recently I was lucky enough to do my first feature film, The Curse of Professors of Ononicus, which is available right now on Tubi and other VOD platforms. You can also buy it on Blu-ray. It's a micro-budget film. We made it for like $3,000, but I've been very grateful for the reception it's gotten. Folks at Dread Central took a big liking to it.

They did an interview with me about it. and called it a cult classic in waiting. So if that piques your interest, it's a found footage movie. I was really inspired by films like Creep, the last broadcast, Blair Witch Project. So, yeah, if you like that kind of stuff, we would really appreciate you checking it out, leaving a review. And yeah. Yeah, I could see those influences, man. I enjoyed the Thai West.

Well, the old Thai West, Phil. We'll get into the newer Thai West again tonight, but he was all about the slow burn and then just going bad shit crazy in the last 10 or 15 minutes of the movie. So I'm not going to spoil anything because I know our listeners are going to want to check it out, but I like what you do there, man.

You don't overkill or oversell the big end scene. But I'll tell you what blew me away and surprise me was all the comedy. I wasn't expecting. And it was much more. sublime comedy. It wasn't like people, you know, falling off ladders and shit like that.

So what inspired you on that? I really love horror comedies, but I also don't, I like a different kind of approach where it's not like cut from a gag to a jump scare. I really like when you can bring those two

genres together into like this really interesting tone. I think that's like what creep did so well. Like, it's creepy. It's weird, but it's also funny at the same time, you know, that that character by Mark Duplas is, he's unsettling, but he's also very funny. And that's what I wanted to do for my lead character, played by Alec White, who is a star back here in the Houston film scene. And I'm really proud of what we did together. And I just like movies that can really embrace the absurdity of their ideas, right?

can say, yeah, you know, we're a movie about, about an urban legend, about a college professor that may or may not have turned into a mutant creature after a prank gone wrong, right? You know, I like being able to embrace that and take audiences on that ride. And, you know, the thing is that people respond to the comedy and then their guard is lowered for some of the darker turns towards the end. I think that's part of why the ending works as well as it does. You have a comedy background at all? You ever done stand-up or written jokes or anything like that? Well, I have a, you know, I've written other comedy scripts. And I did some in-providence stuff in college. I wouldn't say I have as big of a comedy background as I do in horror. But at the same time, comedy, I think, really lends itself to micro-budget filmmaking,

because it's a lot more character-driven, performance-driven. You know, we didn't have the special effects for, like, we didn't have the budget for special effects. We couldn't do the terrify or two thing of just, like, scene after scene of, like, the grossest and most creative. So we had to be in the performances and in the dialogue, and I think comedy really lends itself to that. Brian, you got any questions you want to ask, Gabriel?

Yeah, I was looking on IMDB. I think your next project is actually a comedy. Oh, well, I have some things in development that I've been in talks with. There's a pilot that I've been shopping around called Night and Day, which is about a college student whose new roommate turns out to be a vampire in a world where vampires and other supernatural creatures are just like us. They exist just like us. So it's an odd couple sort of a dynamic,

between them trying to adjust to, let's say, their unique lifestyles, right? And then I have a couple of other things that I'm really excited about, some features that I've been cooking up, you know, some darker stuff, some psychological thriller territory, and then some really lighthearted comedies.

So I like to do both. Nice. Do you prefer directing, writing, or acting? I think by this point I prefer writing because there's just a lot of freedom there. It's just you and the written word, right? I mean, when you're directing, you just have to deal with all the limitations. And not that writing isn't hard. It comes with its own set of challenges, but it sucks when you have a great idea or an idea that really excites you, but you just don't have it in the budget or you don't have it in your schedule.

So I'd say writing is the most liberating of those three things. Nice. Yeah, not to mention the most creative, right? Like you're actually in control from start to finish? Yeah, I mean, it's funny because sometimes, you know, a movie starts out as a screenplay and then, you know, a director gets attached, the cast comes on board and then they go from there. But other times, you know, it's the director's vision and then they get a screenwriter. to come in and work with them on it to give them that script.

But, you know, my feature, you know, I wrote the screenplay. I knew I wanted to do it micro-budget and it grew from there. So in that case, you know, the creative process really began and ended with me. Not to say that there weren't other collaborators, but, you know, when you get to those big-budget studio films, like there's a team of writers. and the producers sometimes direct as much as the directors, right, have a lot of creative input. So being able to do something on that independent scale feels really good compared to the stories you hear about being a director in Hollywood. It can be pretty savage out there. All right, well, cool, man. We enjoyed the movie, and we'll put some links up for sure

so everybody can check it out that's in our group. So onward we go, Gabriel. You know how this thing works, man. What's your cool of the week? Coolest thing you've checked out. Well, I was able to see Stephen Spielberg's latest film, The Fableman's. Ah, okay. Hey, Phil.

What's up? Somebody find Phil. Hey, sorry, guys. This is Gabriel. Gabriel, meet Phil. Good to meet you, Phil. what's happening brother um i'm sorry i'm like guys it's all good man i thought maybe the cowboys were playing the night game or something

yeah no i don't i don't really have a good excuse i'm just uh you're a cowboy fan what's that you're a cowboys fan did i hear them right yeah yeah yeah grow up right let's stay away from that topic i'm from houston so oh okay yeah that seems to be the way things roll all right well we're on cool of the week gabriel was Talking about the Fablemans, the Spielberg movie. Yeah, not a horror, obviously, but Stephen Spielberg came out with this very autobiographical, almost like a memoir based on his early childhood, which was full of all this family drama. And it shows process getting into directing. I thought it was so well made.

And, you know, I'm biased because I'm on that same journey, too, right, trying to be a filmmaker. or so it was just a really emotional movie because I was able to relate to it so directly. But, I mean, it's Spielberg and he just fucking kills it. I think people forget just what a great director he's sometimes because

he's so big now. But I mean, I put his talents up there with a Scorsese or somebody like that. I think he's that good. Well, Spielberg, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That absolutely makes sense. I don't think that's super

controversial. I hope not. You know, there's a snobbish sort of school of thought out there that, like, kind of has always looked down on him because he does bigger movies. He does, you know, like blockbusters, right? I just, I hope this movie helps put that to rest because, you know, when he does stuff like Schindler's List, it's just as good as E.T. or Indiana Jones. 100%. All right. Phil, you want to go next?

Oh, yeah. Cowboys are a big one right now. And I, you know, I'm sorry for the Texans. Hey, we're in a battle for the first pick. Actually, I live in the Galveston area, so it's almost kind of nice to not have the hate from the Houston fans from up north. But, yeah, cowboys have been kicking ass, and I'm excited about that for sure. also I've been watching a lot of horror movies

lately uh Jesus Christ put me on the spot tell me uh cool of the week I'm not sure if I can come up with one right off the shoot here but uh

give me a few minutes we'll roll out the next subject and I'll totally pull us off of it all right save us Brian I don't have I haven't watched nothing new I've been trying to catch up on shows that

mostly been trying to catch up up on the Star Wars shows. I've finished not one of the shows. So I'm working my way through Book of Boba Fed, Obi-Wy-Wine. Yeah, I haven't even started Andor. So,

basically that's been... A lot of people who told me Andor is the best thing since Mandalorian. Some even said it's better in some ways. because I guess it's more I guess it's more gritty than

I've heard a lot of people say it feels like something that should be on HBO not Disney Plus I think that's a good sign Yeah that would be a good sign for sure I've been trying to catch up on I'm still watching The Watcher on Netflix

That's a pretty good one based on true story family moves, buys this big ass house, like so big, so expensive that they, basically, they had to pull all their money together to buy this house. I don't know why anybody would do that, but they did. Like, all these strange occurrences happen. Their neighbors are super weird. Everybody's always kind of dropping a reference that, you know, we'll be watching you.

And then they get a letter in the mail from someone. and claiming to be their watcher. It's their turn to watch their family or something like that. And it's pretty interesting so far, especially since it's based off a true story. So, and I believe it's, I could be getting this wrong, Lance, Brian Fuller. Okay, he's involved in that?

And I think it's already getting a second season. Okay, I got you. I've heard good things. There's so much shit. There's so much media out there. Yeah, I think that's why I'm so unfinished with so many shows because there's so many interesting shows coming out. You know, you kind of start one and then you forget about another.

And so I got to do what you do. I got to come up with some kind of list or system. Yeah, I keep stuff I want to watch, Gabriel, I keep it on a sticky note on my PC at work. That's not bad. I use letterbox. They have a watch list. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, so that's how I've been keeping track of stuff.

But before that, it was tough and it was rough. And especially with shows, right? I mean, that's why I prefer movies because it's one and done with the show. You watch the episodes and then the seasons. And there are a million shows I haven't finished. I started, but I never finished. So, Brian, is it the watcher? Yeah, we'll go with the watcher.

me, man. Like movies I can follow through with. That doesn't make that long. There was one that I just watched. It was an 80s. Damn it. I cannot remember the name of it, dude. You did supernatural.

That was a... Yeah, no, I did supernatural. But there was a movie that I just watched with the family. And I can't remember the name of the fucking movie. It was like an 80s. We're going to play the guessing game. Okay. All right.

So it's kind of like a kid. Was it any kids on bikes? You got to give us more than it was an 80s movie. Yeah. My best friend's exorcism. Oh, okay. Is that your cool of the week then? That was maybe my cool of the week.

All right. Didn't pull through on the end as much as it did the rest of the movie, I think. It's fine for what it is. It's like a PG-13 kind of kid, their teen, exorcism movies. Yeah. If you're from the 80s, it's very, it'll hit you with the nostalgia from the 80s with the music

and the clothes. And it was all right. At the end, I think just, they didn't bring it home. Felt film, that's really good. It killed that movie. All right. So that's it for you, Brian? Yeah. All right, I've got, I'll throw some love at. I haven't watched

much this week at all. It's the opposite of last week, except these fucking. in Christmas movies that I have to watch with my wife every year. But I'll give some love to Anne Rice's interview with the vampire on AMC. Got a lot of blood and gore, violence. Yes, it is set in a different time. Yes, they do change Claudia's age. They make her about 10 years older, which completely changes the fucking drive of the story. But as far as the two main characters, I think the actors do a good job. The people in the 10, they do great. with the set design. They do great with the music. It's early, not turn of the century, but probably

I'd say like 20s or, you know, roaring 20s or 30s in New Orleans. We've got a we've got some appearances by friend of the show, Jeff Pope. He's got some, he plays this part pretty good. The guys that try to run the one businessman out of town, I don't want to give too much away, but there's, man, there's issues of racism, there's issues of sex. There's issues. There's issues of it's a pretty good show, pretty deep, and they go just far enough into it, and they're coming out with the other Anne Rice series that hopefully those characters will end up meeting with these as they do in the book series.

And, you know, I'll give it some love. What's that? That sounds awful. Well, we got Alexandra Dadario in it, man. Maybe she'll get topless, you know, so we can always hope. So we're not going to have news. I think we're not going to have news or trailer park tonight. And not much feedback, but Philip, I think we got something, right?

Maybe a podcast shoutout or something. Yeah, let's roll into a little bit of a podcast spotlight for horror for dummies. Hey! What horror? Join us and listen to the countless hours of gore and mayhem each week. Tim and Mushroom bring you the newest. horror movies, horror movie reviews and talk,

as well as wrestling. Oh, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So check that out. Dude, what else are you missing? Oh, real quick,

Gay, won't you tell us about your podcast? Matter of fact, I'd just listen to it earlier, and I think 13 ghosts is actually a good movie. Podcasts about life.

I hope you enjoyed the episode then, because we had a great discussion about it. Yeah, so I'm a co-host. of a podcast not that bad where we talk about movies with very, you know, sordid reputations, not very well-liked movies, sometimes hated movies, and we defend them. And then we have a verdict, is it that bad, not that bad, or actually good? So we started out talking about like horror movies, like sequels that are not well-liked,

such as Halloween 5, Revenge of Michael Myers. But then we've started to broaden our scope, and we've talked about Alien versus Predator or Yeah, we still do a lot of horror like 13 ghosts But it's really, you know, any Movie that has less than a than a three on Letterbox is eligible For our show, no matter the genre.

Okay. And we always like to take suggestions. So if you guys ever have a movie that you would like to see us tackle, just leave it in the comments. All right. Well, thank you for letting me to talk about that. It's kind of a new venture. we started in the last few months.

It really started out just a hobby for us, but I'm pretty happy with how it's been going so far. People are digging the show. We're finding an audience steadily, and we're going to have some pretty cool guests on. And I'm very happy with how that's going. And where can everybody find that? It's on podcasting platforms like Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

and it's also on YouTube. So if you want to listen to the audio only, you can do it on Spotify. and all that. And if you want to watch us, you can find us on YouTube. Nice. Yeah, I really enjoy it.

I only got to listen to the last episode that you guys did, but I really enjoyed it. Well, thanks a lot. We're coming out with a pretty big episode next. I don't know if I should say it here, but I can tell you guys off camera, but it's one of the most infamous movies ever. So I'm very excited to see how people will take to us defending it.

I have my interest. Exactly. So if you want to be the first to see it, just go subscribe. All right. Yeah, I just followed the show. I've got an 18-hour trip to New Mexico to make Thursday, and then 18 hours back. Because it's going to be interesting.

It may be more than 18 hours, Philip, don't you think, if I can't find a charging station? What was the show called again? Not that bad. Not that bad. I love it. Yeah. Great.

Black and white with a red streak across the metals, Phil. All right. As always, our show intro comes from Steve Carlton, as well as our new T-shirt designs from the Geats and be on the lookout for more great stuff from him. Or go check out www.horror.com, thehorror returns.com to get some of his cool designs right now. Our artwork comes from Natsulani, so check her out.

And if you'd like help us the show, please consider becoming a Patreon patron. We'll let you pick the movies for a future bonus show at any amount. And for $5 or more a month, also pick commentary for another bonus show. And we do now have coosies available. Or what did they call them down under in Australia? A stubby holder. All patrons will get one for free, and as usual, be patient.

Sometimes it takes us to all the good stuff mailed out. All right, move on to feature attractions. This week, we'll cover a few films we haven't talked about yet for the year in horror of 2022. Will they make the top 10? Let's see. Well, our first one is going to be barbarian. And I know you've heard enough about it.

You know, Nez has said how awesome it is. And we finally checked it out. A woman's stay in an Airbnb discovers the house that she has rented is not what it seems, which obviously is not really the synopsis of this movie. Yeah, by design. Yeah. But that's what I thought it was going into it, which made it better than it is. director and writer is Zach Crager,

also known for the whitest kids you know. The directorial debut. And more comedians getting into directing. Hey, may not be the worst thing in the world. A friend of the podcast, Richard Brake, shared a story on Instagram about attending a late-night screening of the movie, noting that a particular group of teenagers sitting in a few rows behind him were really into the film and were terrified.

When it was over, they were leaving the theater using the flashlights on their phone. And when the light accidentally caught breaks face, the teens recognized him from the movie and screamed and ran from the room in genuine fear. Richard Richard is a great actor, man. He's scary. I mean, I love him. I was like a little freaked out if I met him in real life. The perpetual bad guy. Although he does a really fun role in the Munsters, which I don't know. Yeah, very Vincent Price, wouldn't you say? Yeah, old school, hymning it up, having a great time.

I loved it. Yeah, love her to break, man. Great guy. The film on the, the film was set on 476 Barbarian Street. The year 476 was the barbarians, was when the barbarians evaded Rome. and Director Craigor insists this is unintentional and purely coincidental.

Sure. Barber Street or Barberry Street? Like Barbarian? Okay. All right. I was wondering how they were tying that back to the title because it's,

I don't know how much it matches to begin with. Open to an open to interpretation. It still doesn't make sense. Yeah. So how are we doing this this week? Because we got three movies that came out this year. Do we hit the spoiler alert now? Or are we going to really, are we really going to hit it three times?

Brian, you decide. Make a command decision right now. I don't want to, I don't want the listeners have to listen to a spoiler alert three times. So we're going to hit it right now. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. There you go. You can say whatever you, Gabriel. You're your spoiler alert. You're listening. If you haven't watched it yet, it's not that hard to find. Yeah.

Should we just jump into it? Yeah. You start us off. Yeah, I mean, I loved it. I thought it was one of the most fun theater experiences I've had in a while. It was one of the most unpredictable. I've seen, at least, you know, released by a major studio. It had the soul of like, you know, like a sleazy underground exploitation film,

but it was really clever and subversive. I thought all the acting was great. I've always been a fan of Justin Long, and I think he's added another feather to his cap with this. I will say the only, I guess, critiques I would have is that, you know, now that we're in spoiler territory, some things weren't paid off as much as I had hoped. Okay. Bill Scarsgaard's character, he set up, I was very intrigued. I was sure he had some larger role in the story, but he dies like halfway through.

And I guess he just turned out to be a red herring, which was effective. It was like a shocking moment, but rewatching it, I think I'm going to wish that he had more to do, right? Because I thought he was great as well. I also don't know how generations of inbreeding would make an old woman, like, super strong. Like our baby mama is here. She's like Jason or Michael or something. But, you know, all of that, you know, kind of nitpicking stuff. aside. I just think it's a fucking great movie. It's badass. And it was made by one of the whitest kids you know, which takes me back to middle school. I really enjoyed their stuff way back when. So it's great to see him doing something cool. Well put. Yeah. It's a fucking great movie. Check it out. Brian, what do you think? This was one of the biggest surprises of the year. I'd,

We reviewed the trailer. I remember, I think we all were just kind of like not knowing what to really make of the movie. And then I think we didn't really have it on our radar after that. But then when it came out and everybody was just, you know, saying, you got to see this movie, you got to see this movie. And that's probably one of my biggest regrets is I didn't see this in the theater. I waited for it to come out on HBO Max. Yeah.

And just the way the movie played out is a movie. this is a movie you had to see in the theater and it was like I said I was just taken back by it how much I was into it the main actress I don't have her name here

I thought she was great in it yeah they they fooled me with Bill Scarsgaard because I really thought they were leading somewhere with that character all the little coincidences of him him and her having this connection of him being this jazz musician

Oh, yeah. It felt like it felt like it set up. Yeah, it did. And then just the way he died. And I was like, oh, wow. And then it just completely cuts to Justin Long, like it's a whole other movie. And I like Justin's Long. I don't like his character because he's a piece of shit.

I like that he plays a... I like that he played a piece of shit because he always plays the nice guy. He totally did it, right. Oh, he did. He did it. And he was a piece of shit up until you thought he was going to redeem himself. And then he just went back to a piece of shit all over again. And, man, him in horror movies, he just can't save his eyes for nothing.

And yeah, I do want to know how you make a superhuman strength of whatever. I don't even know what she was, but the most terrifying scene was her trying to, breastfeed Justin Long and British royalty would just be this

Oh yeah Mammoth Yeah Talk it up to Richard Brake's sperm All right Yeah And

I'm kind of on the fence I I kind of want to see a prequel of Richard Brake's character But then again I don't want to see

What his character was alluding to doing to these women and to the children. But I feel like there's so much more that went on when we get the flashback to Richard Bright, between that time and the present time. And I just kind of wanted to see how he was able to, they were able to stay in this place for all this time

while this neighborhood just slowly, you know, became run down. I just kind of wanted to see that story. But I was totally fine with what we got. even the ending was outrageous. Yeah, loved it. Lance? What do you think? All right. We'll see, Gabriel. That's one point that you and I kind of disagree on with the character of Scarsgaard's character. Because I think that the way they did it was perfect because they completely ropa doped you into thinking this whole time I thought, okay, he's doing something.

He's purposely going out of his way to show her that he's opening the wine bottle in front of her. I'm not slipping anything in. Slowly, yeah, they got this jazz in common. It really felt like a setup. And so to me, at that point when you get to the end of that first act, right? And they, all these weird things that they're fighting underground. And it's just like, okay, he's luring her in there. Like, I was sure of it.

I just knew he was luring her. He was part of some group or cult. And he was pulling her end. And all of a sudden, you know, you see him get his fucking head bashed into the wall. And it's like, hopefully. Holy shit. He's not part of it. And then it's like a whole different movie. I almost kind of thought maybe the movie even in it.

It freaked me out so much in the theater. I thought maybe the movie was over. Did you guys get that feel right after that scene? Because it was fade to black. And I kind of thought the credits were about to come up. Well, I hope it wasn't going to be because it was in. I don't know. I know, but I just wasn't paying attention to the time.

What about you, Gabriel? No, I knew Justin Long was in it. Okay. I didn't see I didn't know that I didn't know there's just in long yeah yeah I mean I'm curious so if you rewatch the movie do you feel like that's still gonna hold up like that that surprised um gang the road yeah it won't be the same of course because it's it's you know a surprise that I didn't see coming I this is one of usually my films that are contenders for top 10 Gabriel I'll rewatch them at least once before the end of the year like one of them is always already kind of falling out of the top 10 a couple of have, you know, definitely cemented themselves. One of them's leapfrogged over my previous top number one. So I've got a new number one right now upon second watch. So, you know, second watch is always different.

I'll tell you one scene that really resonated with me in this movie is when the poor girl gets out of the house, right? She's trying to fucking convince people. The only person who's actually trying to help her is a guy that she, homeless dude that she thought was like going to attack her and rape her or something like that. and he ends up befriending her and, you know, kind of keeping her safe. And then she's over here trying to explain to the cops, well, where's your ID? And you think, what if someone was in that position? It's like, what the fuck do you do? Because they're looking at her.

She's completely dishevelled. She has no ID on her. She's in this neighborhood. What are the cops supposed to assume? These jaded cops, they think she's a great. Gorgeous with, like, super straight teeth. It's our own stupid fault for not going. All right, maybe she's not.

not the front they finally followed her out there at least right but then they fucking beat her. Yeah, they followed her out there for no reason. Yeah. All right. Yeah, this movie is a work of art, man. It's

it was unexpected. Brian, I'm really glad that you only had to watch that first trailer that only showed a little bit of the dialogue from the fact because this turned into something I was not expecting. And then, yeah, with Justin Long's character, you

you are kind of pulled back and forth at the beginning. Like at first I thought, okay, he was unjustly accused of this. And as his story goes on, and especially when he makes the fucking drunk call, it's like, okay. Probably did it. Yeah, man, I love this movie. I love it. Top tip is pretty easy. And the main actress that was in, her name is Georgina Campbell.

I thought she was pretty good in it. Yeah, I've never seen her before. It doesn't look like she's done a lot of movies, at least that I recognize. She's done a lot of TV, but hopefully off of this, she gets some bigger roles. Yeah, yeah. That'd only be just. She was great. All the acting was great.

Yeah, I definitely will agree. I think it does it a whole lot more justice watching it the first time without knowing what has gone. Oh, yeah. Because I had my brother-in-law told me that he didn't like it, but he had. already read some stuff on the internet about it. He was like, man, it was stupid. But you already knew what was going to happen. Right.

And me watching it without knowing what was going to happen, I was super surprised. It was a jaw-dropping moment when Scarsguard got killed. And I like that they spent all that time building that tension with that one dude. and then he gets, you know, murdered, and you're like, what the fuck? And then they just immediately change direction and give you this pallet cleanser of Justin Long bouncing around in the car, singing a song. I thought that was a lot of fun because everybody's sort of going, what the fuck is happening

right now? I know I was. Yeah. I thought the main girl was dead. Didn't you guys? Yeah. for sure. Yeah, for sure.

I thought she was dead. And then when Justin Long shows up in a pit with her, I was like, oh, she's still alive. That's great. And then I figured that he would probably die next because he's not the best person. The trying to feed with the baby bottle with the hair on it. Yeah. You can really see that detail on the theater screen, Brian. That was so gross.

So it's grosser than anything in Terrifier, too. You can't convince me otherwise. But, yeah, surprisingly good movie, man. I was very impressed with this one. And mostly because it caught me so off guard. So, had they shown you what was happening in the trailer? I don't know how good it would have been. You know, that's hard to say.

Fair enough. I can see that. All right. Let's do scores on Barbarian. One to ten. Gabe, what do you think? Yeah, I would say that my theater experience was a 10 out of 10, but the rewatchability brings it down to an 8 out of 10. Okay. Some movies, you know, really do just want to hit you hard in the theater, and they want to just deliver that kind of experience. For me, rewatchability is pretty important. I'm not sure when I'll rewatch this, so that's why I would feel wrong giving it anything above an 8 out of 10.

Okay, fair enough. That's fair. Brian, what do you think? I can see what you're saying, but I'm going to meet you in the middle. I'm going to give this a solid nine. It was one of the biggest surprises of the year for me. I enjoyed it just as much as I did the first time I watched it on the rewatch, and I thought the performances and the story was great.

Did have some wanting to follow up more on certain parts of the movie, but then the movie would have been like three hours, you know. It would have been terrifier too. Yeah. So I'm thinking about it now. I'm fine with it. So it's an easy nine out of ten. Lance?

Yeah, easy nine out of ten. I don't know what more we can say about it. more comedians need to start doing horror. I mean, you know, we might have just had a little hiccup here with this third Halloween movie. But other than that, it's been pretty fucking solid, man. Like, Jordan Peel has, like, done no wrong. And who else have we had that's gotten from Comedy, Gabriel? Brian, or you as think of anybody else that?

Well, he didn't write it, but he was one of the producers. Will Farrell was one of the producers of the menu. of the menu. So he's kind of getting in the... You know, Chris Rock, he did... That's right. How could we forget? Yeah, the song movie.

I can't remember if he wrote it. I mean, he was really involved in the creative process, and obviously he started in it, so I'd say that counts. And that was, you know, that was a good return to form for the franchise. Yeah, I don't know if he wrote it, but I think it was based off an idea he brought the studio.

I know he pitched some. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's a good one. It's a good one. What if there's a trap where your wife tells you it's good? Yeah, I'm going to go nine on this one, too. I think, yeah, I wanted more of it, which is the risk of the sign of a movie.

I mean, like, I want a... sequel to this like right now. I wanted the movie to keep going. It was really great. I can't really fault anybody that was in the movie. I thought everybody did just

phenomenal the whole time. From Scarsguard onto you know, everybody. It was fantastic. Up to Richard break. There you go.

Up to Richard's break. Up to Richard break. break's neighbor who played a 10 second role you know uh so yeah very very impressed with this one it'll definitely make it into my top 10 some high scores high praise indeed all right well let's move on to pearl see if this one does it uh didn't know much about this one before i started looking into it but uh in in 1918 A young woman on the brink of madness pursues stardom in a desperate attempt to escape the drudgery, isolation, and lovelessness of life on her parents' farm. Director and writer is Ty West, also known for House of the Devil and The Endkeepers.

Also co-written by Mia Gaw. And it was a prequel to X, correct? Yes. Did you watch X, Phil? Yes. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I watched it this week with this movie.

Okay, cool. Double feature. I figured I had to. Tandy Wright, who plays Pearl's mother, was the intimacy coordinator on X. Intimacy coordinator. Did you have an intimacy coordinator? We've never needed an intimacy coordinator in any of my life. films, no.

And was offered the role of Ruth as the shoot on the first film was wrapping up. According to Ty West, she learned German for the role in a hurry and became so convincing in her accent that she fooled two German members of the

crew. Nice. Ty West and Mia Gauth collaborated on the script via FaceTime during a mandatory two-week quarantine due to the COVID-19 pandemic. in New Zealand prior to filming X. They had hoped A-24 would agree to make the film.

Fortunately, the project was green-lit before the filming began on X. Yeah, because it looked like they sort of filmed it at the same time. It was just like an extension of the same movie almost. And Mia Gauth has her work cut out for her. Right? All right. Gabe, what did you think about Pearl? I love this one. I mean, when I saw this, I realized that 2022 was just like a phenomenal year for horror movies.

Because it's not just like a good horror movie. It was just a great film. It was beautifully shot. People keep calling this a technical horror movie. They're totally right. The color palette is vibrant. It gives it this classic quality. I can't think of a better performance this year than Mia Gauth as Pearl.

I mean, she gives a nine-minute monologue, one take. I mean, show me a better or more Oscar-calibre performances here. You know, it's really interesting. I don't even feel like this was a real prequel to X. I feel this was a story Ty West really wanted to do, and I feel like the most sure way he could get a greenlit would be to tie it to this successful movie. That being said, I do think it would be. make a great double feature.

I think the character of Pearl is probably going to become something of an icon based off the strength of those two films. Yeah, just, and for getting into spoilers, it has one of the best sort of just descent into madness spirals I've seen, right? I mean, because it starts with an accident. You know, she accidentally shoves her mother down the stairs. But it's like fucking brutal. That's the great thing about sound design.

you feel every like clunk clunk clunk uh and then by the end of it um when she like walks outside and just picks up her axe so she can um fucking hack her cousin to death um we were talking about comedy and horror before i mean meygoth is so funny when she's doing this shit it's so banal to her uh it's like housewife chores um so you know this movie was genius you know i'm a pretty big Ty West fan. I think this is my favorite film of his, which is saying a lot, considering how the devil is like, you know, a modern

classic to me. So, yeah, just can't say enough good things about this one. All right. Brian? What do you think? I really enjoyed this one. I don't think I enjoyed it as much as I did X, but Mia Gauth killed this performance. I thought she was just great from start to finish.

Gabe, like you said, her descent into madness. It was just, you know, progressing throughout the movie until the end. Up until that, the end credit scene, which was very unsettling, that just smile and trying to hold that smile throughout the whole credits. I thought that was crazy right there. Yeah, Pearl definitely has some problems. I mean, she's in her own little fantasy world of, you know, when she's practicing her dance, you know, she's performing it in a, in a scene from a movie or in front of a crowd.

Sure. Then you got the whole sex scene with the scarecrow. And the projection of his face appears on the scarecrow. And then she yells at him. She's like, I'm married. You know, I'm just like, okay. Well, it's right. Yeah, and it just, just, I thought it was just phenomenal.

you know, there was parts I kind of laughed and parts I was just kind of afraid of pearl. And I do agree with you. I don't really see this as a prequel because there's so much story that takes place after this and before X that would make a good prequel because

her husband just comes home from the war and I want to know how he was okay with seeing what he's seen and was just with her till the end, you know, if you've seen X, you know. I think there's just so much story to tell, but, you know, that we're not, we're getting the next one is called Maxine, and that one takes place after X in the 80s.

I think if he wanted to squeeze in another movie, he could, he could squeeze in one between Pearl and X. And I, I think it would be great to get that story of when her husband came home. And yeah, this might be in my top 10. I got to really think about it. And it's going to be off the strength of me at God's performance. Oh, for sure. Okay. My answer, what do you think?

I probably wasn't quite as impressed with it as you guys were. Everything you guys say is accurate. There's nothing that's untrue about it. I like kind of like the return of certain things that you saw in X, like the alligator. That was really cool. And that scene where she drove her father to the end of the dock and at the last. last minute was kind of, I guess, pulled away from doing what she wanted to do there. I felt so bad for her father.

Yeah, he couldn't do too much to protect himself or yell out. But yeah, it was kind of a bizarre, like a twist of, I don't know, like fucking, gosh, how do you describe this movie? It's weird. Wizard of Odd meets Charlotte's Webb meets some kind of. musical meets, you know, young star actress thinks she, I don't know, I guess she developed all this narrative in her head of things that never really happened, that she was, she got so, so zapped out in her mind toward the end there that she actually thought she was a movie star and not exactly sure. I don't know, to me, there were a couple of things that maybe you guys can

fill in for me or explain your interpretations, like why, I mean, I understand. and she was upset with her cousin because I guess she got the part and Pearl didn't. But what led up to that killing ever so quickly? Is it just that at that point she was so far over the edge? Or was there more to that relationship that I'm missing? Well, that was that great scene of when she had to be removed from the audition because she just didn't comprehend that she didn't get it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess I think she felt robbed of that role. I think she felt like her cousin. had the life that she should have had and she took that anger out on her. I mean, it's not rational. It's not rational at all. It's based on delusion. But that was kind of the power of it to me.

I mean, she chose to live in her own world and she was going to kill anybody that got in the way of that. Yeah. And she definitely, that in her mind, that role was hers because you got that scene with her and her cousin. Her cousin was like, if I don't get it, I hope you do. And then she was like, are you going to say it back? And she was like, no, I'm going to get it. Right. So in her mind.

And to be fair, she was sipping on her father's medicine. So that probably didn't help. That's true. And I'm wondering how much of this movie was unreliable narrator because when she, okay, let's take that scene where she went into the movie theater and met that guy. And then he's got, he's got her there in the screening room and he starts showing her fucking pornos. And I'm like, he really didn't go further than that. out with her. Something must have happened. I mean, I don't know. I think that we're seeing the story the way she remembers it, and she's kind of seeing herself as the star and the innocent person here and whatnot. And yet, surely a rape occurred there. I don't know. I really thought it was going that way. I was starting to get super creeped out. And then when she just kind of left it said, oh, bye, it was really fun watching your movie. I was like, okay. I don't think it went that far.

Yeah, I think he was just, actually, he was just a gentleman that happened to have some, what are they called, the Stag films. And he was telling her, this is going to be the wave of the future. And she was intrigued by that. Yeah. Because he wasn't working at a porno theater. He was working at a theater. And, you know, this was a new type of film that was being shown in places. You know, this is before the Hays Code.

This is, um, it's a pretty, you know, there's a war going on. This is at a really peculiar moment in, yeah, in American history. And I don't know. I took that scene at face value. I really, I know, like, well, because like an American Psycho, which is an unreliable narrator movie, you know, there are a moment where something about what we have seen is directly contradicted to give you the hint that, that there's like a delusion going on. But I didn't, I didn't pick up on anything like that.

didn't get that here. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just kind of weird. And I definitely didn't, while I was watching, I didn't get the impression that it was as far back as, you know, I thought maybe it was World War II or something. I didn't realize it was World War I. So this was, and then for, and then I got to thinking, okay, well, X's set, what, like in the 70s, right? Late 70s, I think. Yeah. So that made it make a little bit more sense. But, yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean, definitely liked it more than I didn't. but I'm more of a house of the devil Ty West fan than these new things.

Like I enjoyed the one that he did of the cult. Oh, the sacrament. Yeah, the sacrament. I enjoyed that, but that's, I thought he started becoming a little mainstream then. And I'm like, okay, I hope he doesn't change his formula, you know, too much, you know, where he does a whole lot of buildup real quietly. But it seems like I guess he's got more money to play with now and he's using it,

which makes sense as a filmmaker. But not one of my favorites of the year, guys, but not a bad watch. Yeah, I'll take that. X also was 2022, so that'll be an opportunity. If I have to pick one from both of these, I think they work well as movies together. I watched Pearl first.

I think I like Pearl better. Okay. Yeah, it's, it just is more stylistic. And like when you said, Wizard of Oz, I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. It's got kind of a Wizard of Oz sort of style to it. Like, this is crazy Dorothy. Ty West does make you feel like you're in that era, just as he did in X, how you felt like you were in the 70s. I don't know if you got seen the teaser for Maxine.

It had that 80s, BHS retro. kind of feel to it. So he's definitely making you feel like you're in that time period with each film. That's what he did with House of the Devil. I mean, that's one of those authentic drawbacks I've seen, at least

you know, in the horse. Agreed. Yeah. The Pearl kind of felt like a love letter to just cinema. I mean, that's so generic. That's so stock to say.

I wasn't expecting it was the thing. It really felt like a like a covert love letter if you will you know i mean this this tradition of cinema has gone from world war one through the 70s um and specifically i think he's like talking about exploitation movies you know the sag films and people in x are making a uh a porno so i think it's his tribute to to that slice of movies these underground sleazy movies well and this was a time when like movies were really just starting oh yeah yeah they were super super new

1914 or some shit but no I was I was very impressed with it me got great job I was just very impressed man I don't really have a lot negative to say about it it. You know, I thought it was like less I mean, I guess X wasn't

too like terribly brutal as far, a graphic as far as, you know, a porn movie could be. But like Pearl was less so and still as effective. More sublime, right?

Yeah. And more like internal craziness than psycho killer. So I like that. I thought that That was pretty cool. All right. Let's go scores. Scape on Pearl.

What did you think? One to ten. I give a nine out of ten. Yeah. All right. Well, a lot of high scores tonight. Oh, shit. That's how good of a year it has been.

Yeah. I agree. Wholeheartedly. For horror stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Brian? I'm going to give this an eight and a half.

I didn't like it as much as I did. I actually rewatched X and I think I liked it a little bit more than last time you and me talked about it Lance and but I love me as this character Pearl I think um even with her being involved in writing this movie I think you know they this character is very special to them and I just I really I want to I know what happens in X with Pearl but I just think there's so much more that we can get out of this character and hopefully after Maxine, maybe if Maxine does well, they'll kind of dip back into the Pearl storyline and kind of see where it goes from there. So, but yeah, definitely solid eight and a half. Okay.

Man, what do you think? Man, nine, eight and a half. Six and a half, guys. Two, three. No, come on, man. That's a great score. I almost never give an eight. Am I right, Brian?

Almost. Yeah. Five. Yeah. I guess I don't know where that's relative. I mean, what would you give X? I'm curious. I think I gave it about a six and a half, Brian.

Do you remember? Same territory. I just, the new Thai West, I'm sorry. Maybe I need to rewatch this one. Maybe I need to rewatch both of them. I'll do a triple X feature, right, when Maxine's out. Yeah. Lance doesn't give too many high scores.

Yeah. I think six and a half is is fair man. That's, that means you two-thirds of you enjoyed the movie. Only one-third of you was kind of had questions. Six is like, six is like an eight to answer. Okay. Well, I can accept that. It's all relative, right?

I mean. Of course. Yeah, of course. I'm going to give this one. I think an eight is a pretty solid score for this. Yeah. And again, I liked it better. than I did, X.

I think it was a little more stylistic and a little bit better fleshed out movie than X was. And it was exciting. Yeah. It was like Wizard of Oz, but the horror version, although the Wizard of Oz is kind of a horror movie. Kind of horrific. All right. Let's move on to Terror Fier 2. After being resurrected by a sinister entity, Art the Clown returns to the timid town of Miles County,

where he targets a teenage girl and her younger brother on Halloween night. Director and writer is Damien Leone, also known for Terrifier and All Hallows Eve. As Laura Lavera is trained in martial arts, she did all of her own son. for the movie. Stephen King gave it a shout out on Twitter saying, Terrifier 2, grossing you out old school.

Hello, fellow children. During the Halloween party scene towards the end, one of the partygoers is wearing a Moeys uniform from the clerk's series. That's great. I didn't catch that.

I didn't either. Gabe, what did you think about Terrifier 2? What did you think about the first Terrifier? How about that? Let's start there. I did not get a chance to finish Terrifier, too, because somebody decided it needed to be almost two and a half hours. But I did see the first one. I saw the first one.

Yeah, man, I don't know. it's gotten this huge cult following. I'm super happy for it. I think it's doing wonderful things for horror right now. I mean, it made like $10 million at the box office. I think that's well deserved for the creativity that is being put into these terrifier movies. But I don't think they're for me.

I think the first one bordered on mean-spirited. Yeah, well, gee, you think bordered on? Just jump feet first. I sound like a prude, right? I mean, these are horror movies. I get it. But a horror movie to me usually is there should be like an element of hope. There should be like an element of like good might went out even if it doesn't to keep you invested.

And for me, it really was just about the kills. And Art the Clown, David Howard Thorne. I mean, he is the reason I think these are becoming as big as they are. his performance is pretty immaculate. So the first one, yeah, okay, cool. The second one, it's a two and a half hour version of that, so it's just not my thing. It grossed me out for sure.

It just, it did, I didn't, I didn't have that, I didn't have a deeper reaction than that, to be honest. And I laughed at a few of the art, the clown gags. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah. This is, I haven't, I, I'm like halfway through it. Okay.

So you got another two hours, huh? Yeah, so maybe there will be something in the back half that perks me up, but that's how I was feeling so far. Well, or at least, you know, somebody who has done something wrong and is getting their comeuppance, you know. Yes. That's a good portion, too. This one is just killing for killing. Right. Brian, what do you think?

The tagline for Terrifier 2 should have been what the South Park movie was. Bigger, longer, uncut. I really enjoyed the first one, and I will have to say I really enjoyed the second one. It was just more of Art the Clown. See, the guys know I can watch Slow Burns and be entertained, and I can also watch it be like Terrifier and be entertained. I just have my range of movies is kind of wide right there. So, yeah, it definitely continued the mean-spiritedness of the first one.

Art is, I think, is going to, if he's not already, he's going to be a horror icon. We also got to talk with David Howard Thornton, super nice guy. Great actor. I can't wait. He's not start at all. I was on somebody's podcast recently, and they also got a chance to talk to him. So I know he's, like, really great about connecting with the fans and the community.

I hope to get the chance to speak with him someday and tell him how much I really genuinely enjoyed his performance. I think, you know, because that's the thing about these horror franchises. I mean, the villains are the star. I mean, that's sort of always been the case. And I think Terifier is, like, carrying that tradition. Yeah, nobody walks around with a lot. Laurie Strode t-shirt on, do they? Not me.

You got to hit Sorry to interrupt, Brian, but real quick. Gabriel, Texas Frightmare, dude, and May and Dallas. You got to hit it. I'll try, man. If I'm back in Texas around that time, I'm ping-ponging between there and L.A. at the time being.

What was I going to say? Lauren Lavera as the main... Oh, yes. ...main actress. and she was great. She looked good. She kicked ass.

I was rooting for her all the way to the end. The brother, though, I wouldn't have cared if he got it early on because he was kind of irritated throughout the movies. That's where the editing could have happened, Brian. Yeah. That one brother was just supposed to do.

Yeah. I appreciate, I really appreciate the old school approach to using practical effects. It was, you know, practical effects throughout most of the movie. There was this little CG here and there, but you know, some things you can't do

practical. I just want Terrifier 3. With the fucking weird-ass ending, I was just like, what is happening? What does that mean? Give me Terrify 3 and real quick, shout out to Chris Jericho for being

in the after-credit scene. Yeah, no, they showed him in the credits I was like, where is he? Yeah, I was like, did I, did I, I, I, I, I didn't know way you can miss Chris Jericho. And then after Chris, see, I was like, oh, okay, here you are. He was wearing the Moobie's costume. Yeah, which Chris Jericho was a big horror geek. So it was, it was cool that he got to be in Terrified, too.

Yeah. I think I agree with, with both sides of this one. I, like, it was, as far as horror slasher, you know, like Jason-like icon, I think this, this actually works. It's one that we haven't had in a long time, you know. Like, I can't remember the last really good horror villain that's going to be a, like, a staple in horror forever, you know? I think the last one might be jigsaw. Who? Jigsaw?

I think that might be a lot of them. Yeah, Jigsaw or maybe. Yeah, maybe Sam from Trick-or-Treat. But Jigsaw had a whole franchise. Yeah, I think that's the test. Sam's had a second movie promised for, what, about 10 years now, Brian? Yeah. Crossing my fingers.

Yeah. I mean, he says something every year. So hopefully this latest news that he said he's actively working on it. So hopefully. Well, and from all the, you know, Slender Man, bye-bye man. Oh, God. movies like that that have come out that are

yeah I think the one that I like as far as independently released ones that I felt like could have been something was Victor Crowley from the Hatchet movies yeah that was pretty

yeah that almost caught on how about smiley Brian you said he was quite iconic yeah did I it was not really any of But I think this one, this one could be a, like a costume that you wear out on Halloween. And there would at least be a significant amount of people.

Oh, I know what that is. You know what I mean? Sure. It's a great look, you know. Yeah. Right. Great look, very distinguishable from something else, you know. And I think they're.

pulled it off. It's a good character. It definitely is a little long for a movie like this, but it was still enjoyable. It was just you know, terror fire and it kept going.

Terrify River. Yeah. It was like they had some extra footage in there like, let's put it out as a new movie. but yeah pretty enjoyable movie but I can see where it's

yeah it's a little more glorifying the bad guy and kind of gross in a way you know kind of does have a catchy song in it

oh yeah big time man my granddaughter's been playing playing that song around the house for the last three weeks. Great. Yeah. Cloud Cafe. You can decide how he felt about the movie.

But for now, we'll go on 1 to 10. Gabe, what do you think? Did Lance give his? Oh, my bad. Yeah, no, it's all good, man. No, this was a long fucking movie. I was, I was real worried. I thought two and a half hours of Art the Clown was just going to really be a big mistake.

And I thought, man, coming out of COVID, I don't know what the fuck is going on with all these fucking two and a half hour, three hour long movies. It's like, did all the editors die of COVID? Or did they fucking go on strike or what's going on here? Because there's so many movies that could just do, they could do with a little nip here and a tough there. This is definitely one of them. I mean, there's some scenes, like, like, did the little brother even really have to be there? I mean, maybe we'll get our payoff in the third movie, Brian. What did he guys?

I don't know, man. There's connections here that it just seemed like in two and a half hours, more dots should have been connected. I just my opinion. But all that aside, this is kind of my bag. Gabriel, I did. I did enjoy every fucking minute of it. I mean, I like the mean, I like the mean spirit and shit when I'm in the mood for it and I was in the mood for it. And I definitely love the little girl, art clown.

I think that's pretty iconic. They got great visuals in these movies. Don't get me wrong. She was a great visual. Sure, sure. And she's going by the little pale girl. Ah, I like it. Great Halloween costume idea.

I definitely, I enjoyed the comedy. I really did. I fucking love the twisted, mean, evil comedy. It's just, this was my. bag. It was long. I was worried going in that I wasn't going to, that I was going to get like super bored, like maybe an hour and a half, hour 45 into it. That never happened. And they started with the mayhem like right up front. They didn't like even do any buildup or anything. They just kind of jumped right into it. There were some very creative kills. Definitely love the bedroom kill.

Definitely loved the lady that was bringing candy to the door. Definitely. love the guy at the fucking spirit. That was definitely, that was definitely mean-spirited. The one where he went trick-of-treating and she didn't give him any candy, that went on a little, maybe a little too long.

Well, what did you think about when the guy was asking him to pay for his shit at the Halloween store? I mean, did you enjoy that? He pulls out the bag and he's got all the fucking Acmey, fucking looney-toon shit that's coming out of his bag. I mean,

It's kind of on the guy because at some point you need to just get out of there. Yeah, I was going to say, realistically, it's time to bail on that conversation. Yeah, and I'm a sucker for a carnival setting, like, finale. Like, I love that movie, The Carnival that was based on the book. But nobody knew that it was Dean Coontz the whole time until after the movie came out. I enjoyed every bit of it. I didn't love it. Certainly didn't

I didn't hate any of it. I never got bored. I never got tired of it. Stuck around to the end, there was a lot of shit that didn't make any fucking sense to me. It'll either be explained in the third movie or it won't. But there was stuff in the first movie that didn't totally make sense to me either. Well, I think it's for not, sorry, cut you off, but I think it's for, I think it's far as runtime on the next one, I think we'll be safe because I heard the idea is so big for the next

movie, he might split it into two. Oh, God. It's a long movie. Okay. All right. Potter now. You got to split it up into two movies. Yes, that's right.

It's so epic. Too big for one. All right. All right. There we go, Phil. You wanted to do scores. have a trilogy All right

Scores Game, what do you think? Well, I haven't finished yet so I would feel wrong giving it a score That's fair Yeah, yeah I'll say

I will be surprised If it gets above a 7 out of 10 for me That's my projection Seven's good Seven's a good I mean for me That's pretty good

Yeah And I respect I feel like it upgraded a lot from the first movie in a lot of production value metrics. Like, I do think the cinematography, the lighting, a lot of those things, it was an upgrade. So I should also mention that when comparing it to the first. So, yeah. Okay.

All right, so seven, possibly. Seven-ish, maybe. All right, what are they? I'm giving out high scores all night. this is an eight for me. I had fun. I thought the practicals were great. Kind of enjoy art doing his thing.

And Lauren Laverra, I just can't wait to see what she's doing next. You know, I think she's relatively new to acting. So I like to see what she's got next, if not just the next Terror Next Terror Fier movie, you know, something else. Sure. And I like the addition of the pale girl. Oh, very much so. Yeah. Whether she was real or not.

Nice. What do you think? It's strong seven. Strong seven. It probably won't rewatch it this year, maybe next Halloween or something like that. So this looks better than Pearl then? To me, yes.

To me, yes. Yeah, I really, I dug it. I got off on the, on the mean, shitty, gory kills. What can I say? Just like a little. Yeah, it is what it is. is, man, for what it was, but you can't get anything past. You can't put any of the credit past David Howard Thornton, nor the little girl that played the pale girl, nor our new

protagonists. I think they all did a phenomenal job. And as it's been pointed out, there is obviously a lot more money to play with here. And based on what it's been making in the theaters and the fact that it's still running in my local theater means that they're going to have more money to play with. So as well as smile, Brian, it's actually still in my local theater. I can't believe it. David Howard Thornton's going to be the Grinch and the mean one. Oh, that's right. Oh, God, that'll be great.

Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Which I heard is getting a limited theater release next month. Mm-hmm. All right. I'm going to go, this is hard, because I didn't make this to the end either of Fosley. Oh, no. That's what happened.

It's a half-hour movie. But I think I'm going to go six and a half. I think it deserves at least that. Art the Clown is pretty awesome and iconic. A lot of people don't know about him yet. Yeah. He's going to be a horror icon like Jason and Freddie and all that, you know. I've got a long way to go to hit that, but, you know.

Well, yeah, I'm sure he does. That's the point. Well, let's talk about it in 20 years and see what happens, you know? Fair enough. Fair enough. Because the bye-bye man is not going to be, still be around. No, no competition. God, but the bye.

Is that it, guys? Yeah, I think that's it. All right. Well, Gabriel, thanks for joining this man. Final pitch. It was fantastic, by the way. I did finish that one. Thank you.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I knew you were going to like it, Philip. Yeah, dude, it was like a creep. We were talking about that. CREP was a beginning for sure. For sure. Yeah, and again, if I could just remind people,

you can find the cursive professor Zerdinacus on Tubi, on VOD, you can buy it on Blu-ray. And, yeah, if you want to also check out my podcast, not that bad, and give us some suggestions. if you have a movie that you want to see defended that you think it's a bad rap, just let us know and we would love to tackle it. Very nice, man. Well, as always, we wouldn't thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.

You know where to find us. It's www.whorrorreturns.com. But if you keep forgetting or you can't seem to remember that or you want to share the good news, just send us an email at The Horror Returns at Jules. Gmail.com. As we said earlier, we got coosies. We've been giving them out to our patrons. We'd love to get one to you too, but give us a reason to send us a really nice email that's

very thoughtful that we can read in feedback. And we'll make sure you include your address and we will get a coozy out to you. Again, it may not be in a week with our past history, but we'll do our best and you'll eventually get it. next week we're going to be joined by Alex Ancira or should we say Brian Johnny Moreno

I think he would say he doesn't know who that is well he is from binge media and he's going to be with us to cover well it's going to be silent night violent night is the new one I hope I'm going to get a chance to see it

I'm warning everybody now with this road trip you know coming up and I'm going to be doing this definitely through my phone Skype. Let's just hope that where my mom lives in New... Hey, it's up on a mountain, right? So better reception probably? Yeah, maybe. It's the return of Cyborg Lance next week. Okay. Well, I'll do my best to get in there. Good. But Silent Night, Violent Night, we know.

Brian, this movie, you have us watching for the first one. I have no fucking idea. I had no idea this existed. Please tell us what this is all about. I never seen it, but I heard it's going to be on the same lines as the action horror Christmas movie. And I think the original name is Dial Code Santa Claus, but you'll find it elsewhere as Deadly Gang. It's one of those movies that has multiple titles, I guess, depending on where it was released. Okay. So we'll see how it is. Yeah, here we go. So we're all set. Alex has confirmed, so we're good to go. And Brian, until the horror returns again, good night.