The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #347: Behind The Mask: The Rise Of Leslie Vernon (2006) & Digging Up The Marrow (2014)

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

This week, Steve Carleton of The Geekz joins us to talk some horror mockumentaries. Cool of the week includes The Retaliators, Soft & Light, Cabinet of Curiosities, and Key & Peele. Trailers are The Outwaters, Beau is Afraid, and Skinamarink. The podcast spotlight shines on The Weird Girls Next Door. And we get feedback from Samantha Bean, Michael Greene, Mark Reid, Reviews that Scare, Xim Vader, and Adam Thomas. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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are my co-host, Brian and Philip. And tonight we get a special guest. It's Steve Carlton of the Geeks, formerly known as the League of Geeks. What's going on, Steve? How's it going, fellas? With a Z. Thanks for having me back.

Thanks for having me back. Geeks with a Z. So why the name change, man? Y'all just wanted something different or what? We had to basically get rid of our whole, every show that we released before as Lee Geeks has gone. Okay. One of our hosts got hired in a new position and some of the things that we just would rather some of the things that we said in the past, stay in the past. It was a purge. It's fine. It's fine. But, you know. And we never said anything crazy, but, you know.

Get rid of all the stupid shit they could dig through. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Oh, I said many of the dumb things. Well, we all have. So. Yeah, we all have. That's part of the fun. Brian, you looking forward to frighten me or brother? Yeah, ready to get into some good weather. It's going to be a lot warmer here than even in.

May, it's probably still chilly up there, I'm guessing. No, summertime hits April, so. Ah, okay, cool. So is that when you start having like 23 hours of daylight and shit like that? That's more closer to like midsummer. Midsummer? Okay, gotcha. All right, well, shoot, man.

Steve, we're glad you joined us. I don't know if you've ever listened to our show before. I'm guessing you probably have. since you did our intro and most of our cool artwork. But I try to listen every week and I'm actually pretty on top of this. Oh, yeah. Oh, dude. I was listening to you guys this week. What was all the talk about $15 for a fucking dozen of eggs? Help me out. You've spent 30 minutes talking eggs.

Well, we're older, you know, so it's like we're kind of transitioning from the geeks into the geysers with a Z. Oh, geez. So we do a lot of weather talk. We do a lot of bitching about the price of eggs and gas and what have you. Godfam neighbors of a mowler lawn. It was just one of those things. It just comes up. I was like, I was at the store that day, and I was super pissed about the price of eggs.

I was like, this is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So you get triggered. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And this is the outlet. I can't, you know, my wife knows. I can't just tell her my bitch of her about the eggs.

It's not her fault, you know. was it you that said no i don't think it was you who said they were just going to buy a a fucking chicken in the death of it that was Sean but you see Sean doesn't understand what it takes to have a chicken okay yeah i know thought about it we're we're he's the second he has to do with chicken shit right it's gonna be over for that dude yeah not to mention snakes and fucking everything else right rats we got too many predators out here there's like a whole family of like eagles Same.

Yeah. I live in a pretty rural area, and we had chickens and ducks. I had a big old enclosure, and that was awesome until they all started getting attacked and eating at night. And then you got to go clean all that crap up. Right. It just became not worth it. Coyotes. Yeah.

Coyotes, raccoons as well. Yeah. And Philip, you're in Galveston. You guys have land sharks, too. I tell you. That's a problem. Alligators is a thing that. my wife is irrationally terrified of.

Have you ever seen one? No, but they have turned up on the beach occasionally. Right. Yeah, they're in Houston all over the bayou, actually. Yeah. There's been lots of alligator sightings in Houston. Kind of weird. Well, especially after floods.

Yeah, that's true. Brian, you don't have to worry about alligators in Alaska? No, it's just bears. Okay. That doesn't seem like a place human should live. No, it doesn't. Well, neither does it's like Florida. It's like Jesus.

One extreme to the other. Yeah. All right, man. You know how this thing starts? Dude, we always go into a little something we like to call Cool of the Week. So you're our guest. So you've got the honor of going first. Should you choose?

Oh, yeah. Well, you know, you were talking about if I listen to the show or not. And I got to say, I do enjoy the, the podcast and especially a lot of the guests that you have and Pedro is one of my favorites. Oh, yes. I do talk. And the last two times he's been on, he's been talking about this movie called The Retaliators.

So I want to head to check that out. I don't know if anybody else did so you guys can all jump on if you did. But holy shit, that movie rocks. Yeah, I checked it out too. Great. Yeah? What did you think, Brian? I loved it.

The movie makes you think one thing in the beginning. and that's not exactly what it really is. And you just kind of go on the ride from there. It definitely takes a turn at a certain point. You think you know where it's going, then you're like, what the fuck is this? Where are we at now? Oh, wow.

Okay. And I thought the, there's a lot of gore, but none of it is the CGI bullshit. It's all squibs and corn syrup. It looks great. Nice. The fight choreography, and it's really good. And that guy that plays the.

cop Mark, his last name is weird, but he's been in like Ozark. Oh, okay. He's a, okay. Is he the other played the FBI agent in Ozark that died in like the first season? No, he's the one that the FBI agent seduces. Ah! Yeah, yeah, okay. He's the other, he's the bottom. Yeah, gotcha. But, uh, but, but he's, he's awesome in it. Like, I thought the acting was, like, even the lead singer of Papa Roach is in it. Like, like, the fuck. Oh shit. Okay.

And he did fine. A lot of the members of, what is it, five-finger death punch are in it. Yeah. No kidding. The soundtrack is very... We've seen them live. Yeah.

The ones that aren't in jail? Yeah. You said the soundtrack kicks out. Oh, well, it's just, it's a new metal. It's all music that's kind of like five-finger death punch.

I think the last song has like the singer from Hollywood and Dead in there. Like, it's all rock stuff. It's pretty good. So I'm in a second, I'm in a second Pedro's opinion and that movie was fantastic, great. Alliators, I got to watch that. All right. And then just before we jumped on, I noticed that Brian had posted earlier in the week that he was watching a movie called Sick that just dropped on Peacock.

Okay. So I slapped that thing on and. You slapped it on the cock? Yeah, I guess so. We could use that term. I didn't expect much. I don't know if it was my TV or not, but that movie was dark as shit. I don't know if it just, but like it went to something else after it was over and it was super bright and I could see everything.

So I don't know what was going on with the movie. But I thought that sick was really good too. And that same guy isn't it? Oh, shit. The same cop. It's written by Kevin Williamson who wrote Scream and I know what you did last summer. Okay. It's, it's, I've seen it too.

Yeah, it's a pretty good kind of home invasion slash slasher set in the peak pandemic time because it kind of starts out in a grocery store where guys trying to buy toilet paper and there's no toilet paper. Oh, geez. It has a lot of pandemic jokes in there. Did that, did the opening not like, I was getting like PTSD and shit. Oh, God. Like, God damn, like I remember that shit. I was driving towns over looking for toilet paper and like the stupid fucking taped arrows on the floor and, you know, whole sections of the store that were plasticed off. And like, God damn.

Like, we all did that shit. We all lived through that. Like, it's crazy. And like what they were doing like when they were getting home and wiping all their shit down with disinfectant wipes. You're like, oh, my God. Like, we all did that. Right. Right.

Well, that's when I got a bidet. It changed my life. I highly recommend it. Oh, man. All right. So you got a good one then. You had a good week. Yeah.

So Sick was really good. And then the last thing that I checked out that was good was a movie it's on Hulu called American Carnage. I don't know if either any of you seen that. Sounds familiar. I don't think I saw it. Jenna. Jenna, she plays.

And then like the main guy was the kid from Bumblebee, like the neighbor kid from Bumblebee. like the neighbor kid from the home. Okay, gotcha. But it's a crazy-ass movie. The opening is like robocop level satire, like with like the voiceover and like all the newsflipers playing. But the sad part is it's all true. Like it's all headlines from news.

It's all Fox News and CNN and everybody. Nobody's safe in this movie. They don't pick one side or the other. They roast everybody. They talk shit about Republicans, Democrats, Disney. Nice. Good. Nickelodeon.

They let everybody have it. Everybody should be able to get it. No shit. Kind of like Team America, World Police. Yeah. It's just crazy. Like it opens up and, you know, there's like this ice raid on this family and they all get taken to like this camp and separated. And the kids are told, hey, if you go work in this old folks home, then we'll let you be free.

We'll let you go back or whatever. And so they go there and shit is not what. it seems and shit starts to get crazy real quick and the twist i don't want to spoil it because it is it you would never see it coming like what the actual twist is and what they're doing in this facility that they send these kids to work in is crazy we'll just say that there's cannibalism involved and somewhat kind of body contorting zombies it is nuts what i had no idea okay cool i'm adding it to my cue right now so that's american carnage that's on hulu and Fantastic movie.

Nice. All right. And then my not so cool of the week, the last thing I got is Willow. Willow is absolutely. Oh, I've heard of that show. Yeah. That show sucks. God,

and I wanted it to be good. I knew it was cool. I wanted it to be so good. The problem is, is like, they'll fucking do, like, fight scenes or things in the movie,

and they're playing, like, current music. Like, like, imagine dragons and shit. And you're like, I don't know. This isn't right. Like,

for Willow. And then, like, the dialogue is all, like, current day, like, they're not talking like, they're in some fantasy world. They're just talking like, hey, what's going on? I don't know. This is all bullshit.

This and this is. And then the characters they have- Willow locks up. What up, fan? Oh, Jesus. Kind of. Kind of. It's like a weird show that Willow's in, not necessarily a Willow show.

He says, I'm a little person, God damn it. A little person. No, they're Elwins. But it's, it's. It's just the special effects are really good. The fight choreography is actually pretty decent. But the story and the characters and the dialogue are so bad. They had a lot of boxes, and they made sure they checked all the boxes,

but they didn't actually do anything worth watching. And I'm a huge fan of the original Willow, but I feel like they really shit the bed with that one. Boy, boy. Brian Greeney coming after Andor, which was probably the best television I saw. Okay, let's move on. Let's move on. Brian, I had to throw that in. Brian, you watched Willow, did you?

You know I don't finish any shows. Okay. What's your cool of the week, man? His DAC is too full of Amityville movies. I have not watched the Amityville since Steve had me watch. Was the Amityville Christmas Vacation? Boy, that'll do it. I was hoping you would jump on to talk about that one.

I tried to. I didn't happen. I had to work late. Me and Ness were recording. I mentioned it to him and he was like, what's this? What's this movie you're talking about? It's not even like a movie.

Yeah, I told him it was 45 minutes. He was like, I'm going to watch it, and then I'm going to call you back, and we're going to talk about it. And I think our review was not even half the time of that movie. Oh, boy. The weird ghost lady. And like, I love when he was like,

when he looked across the street to see the. Amityville house and it was just like Microsoft paint. Yeah. Just like a shit. It's just like this black and blue shit copy of the picture. Like what the hell? I think that was spot on when your review saying basically the best part was the runtime. It was.

It was nice just to knock it out. Let's see. Steve talked about sick and what else? The retaliators, those were. good. I got a not so cool. Uh-oh.

I got one in the middle, and then I got a I got a cool. All right. Let's start with the not so cool was Netflix's the pale blue eye. No. It's well...

Go ahead. I'll say I was going to just second your opinion. Really? It's well-acted. It's well-made. But, man, is it boring as shit?

It's so... Christian Bale needs to make better movies, dude. It's so gorgeous to look at. It's filmed really well, the lighting's all really good. Everyone's acting their asses off, but it's boring as shit. You're just like, God, let's go. It's the best looking thing you've ever seen of people talking for a couple hours. Oh, yeah.

So I can't recommend it. But the guy they got to play, the Harry Potter kid, they got to play Edgar Allan Poe was great. Was it the ginger? The ginger kid? No, he was just one of the kids in the Harry Potter movies. He wasn't, you know, Dad didn't get a bit of. I think he was the goofy kid, the one everybody was always making fun of or something. I think, I don't know.

He's a weird looking dude. Is he? Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, like, if you would think, like, how Edgar Allan Poe would look. Right. I've probably nailed it. My one in the middle is, I think this one's on Shutter and it's a slash slashback. Okay.

Yeah, I've heard good and bad about that one. That's probably the best way to describe it. I mean, it's a good premise. It's a typical kind of kids on bikes movie, you know, the group of kids, you know, the group of kids, you know, encounter something. They got to, they got to fight it. Yeah, but I heard it kind of had like an attack the block. Bible a bit? Yeah, it does.

It does. It takes place on an indigenous island somewhere up north, and it involves aliens. And the part that just really took me out is clearly these kids have never acted before. Uh-oh, well. You know. And there was some cool effects with the aliens, but then there was some not-so-cooled CGI going on. And it just kind of took it took me out.

And somewhere in the middle there, I just kind of. I was playing around on my phone when I should have been watching a movie. Oh, no. Kiss of death. Kiss of death. And I can't blame too much on kid actors. You know, it is what it is. But it just was so not even just the kids.

There was some adults. It really felt like they tried to be authentic and use the people that lived in this town, this little village up north. And it just kind of felt like they were reading lines instead of just talking. Yeah. You know, sometimes I can, sometimes you can kind of blame that on writing and directing. Yeah. I think because I've seen some good actors in some movies that did that.

Alicia Silverstone and that fucking god-awful. A shark movie. Yeah. Damn, I meant to watch that too. I wanted to be able to talk about that. Everybody feels like they need to watch it after. Well, I felt like I need to watch it after I listen to you and Ness talk about it. Yeah, that's why I watched it.

You guys talked about it for so long. It was like an hour of show. Because we were so mad. And then I did watch it and I was like. It was like, oh boy. It got real annoying there for a minute. And then I was like, is this going to be over? I mean, her husband didn't die from exposure.

His wounds. He died from listening to her. He just jumped in the water with the sharks because of, that. He's like, I can't think it anymore. Yeah. My Cool the Week was a movie that I heard about come out last year. I kind of skipped over it because I heard it had to do with like kind of social issues and stuff like that, you know, racial issues. So I'm not, I kind of don't want to get into all that. But I checked it out anyways. And it's called Soft and White. It's a Blumhouse movie.

Yes. Okay. This is pretty fucking good. I have to say it's pretty fucked up. It is fucked up. It might have squeezed in my top ten at the bottom there. Yeah, it's really fucked up. It involves this woman who organizes a group meeting with other women that are kind of like-minded to her. And I'll just get a little spoiler.

The women's group is called Daughters of Aryan Unity. Well, that's a lot right there, doesn't it? Yeah, they have their beating. They kind of voice their issues. Right. Nothing really too bad there. It's not nothing you haven't heard before. But when they decide to take their group to one of the ladies' houses,

they stop off at a store to grab a bottle of wine and they run into two Asian ladies. Okay. It kind of takes a turn there and it gets into something. some super uncomfortable because they feel like the ladies back talking disrespecting them so they go after them because one of the one of the ladies knows one of the Asian ladies where she lives so they go to her house and then it just it gets super uncomfortable after that yeah like white supremacists make great bad guys the only issue I have is when people try to pin it to real life Yeah, it got, it got relieved.

So I warn people if you get triggered by certain things or there's some things that they don't really show, but you hear in the background off camera. And it's really, really disturbing. But it's effective the way they do it then, huh? Yeah. Where's that? Where'd you watch that at? Oh, the other means. Okay.

I'm very well aware of all the means. I thought it was a shutter movie for some reason, but I guess it's not then. Yeah, it's really effective in what it, what it is trying to say, what it does. I'm just really surprised that it kind of flew under the radar and that it being a Blumhouse production, it just kind of... I know, I didn't hear anything bad about it, but... They're real hit or miss, though, huh, Blumhouse? Yeah, true, true. Yeah, but sometimes they have a...

They do this thing where they have movies that are that they put out that are really good that they don't push, but they push the other stuff that they feel might be a little bit more commercial. Yeah, they could quit doing that because most of that commercial crap is terrible. Although, Megan was fucking awesome. Yeah. Mekin was good. Do you like it, Steve? I haven't had a chance to check that. It's not available by the media. We won't say too much, then. I'm a little, well, I listened to the shell last week, so I.

I don't mind spoilers. I'm not, I'm not, but I don't know if you have to know anything about what's going on in California, but I'm like stranded. There's like three rows that leave out of my town and two of them are gone. They're washed away. Okay. So I'm on an island right now, so no theaters. God. But that's my cool of the week.

All right. I've heard great things about it. I heard great things about it. So, but I heard that, like I said, I heard it's a real bummer. which one of movies like that I kind of don't want people to tell me it's going to be like that, you know? I won't say it's a bummer ending.

Okay. But the ride up until the ending is the bummer. Gotcha. Okay. It's very, very easy to hate these women. Soft and quiet. It sounds like a lifetime movie. But obviously it's not.

Is that yours too, Philip? No, no, no, no. I jumped on the Pedro bandwagon and finally checked out Cabinet of Curiosityies. Finally. Ah, okay, cool. Hadn't watched it until now. And it is pretty awesome, man. They all hit pretty well.

Even that last one about the birds, which is just seemingly really fucking boring. Yeah, kind of slow. But it was creepy as hell, and I really enjoyed it. That was the one with Rick Rhymes in it, right? Yeah. And then I got on a Netflix documentary train, and I watched that the ghost one. It's like 28. Fuck, I can't remember the name of it.

It's like 28 days of something or whatever. And it's like this ghost hunter reality show sort of thing. Right? And I was thinking, oh, okay. And these are like people that, some kind of descendants of Ed and Lorraine. Okay. Yeah, conjuring stuff.

Mm-hmm. And so I almost thought they were going to take it seriously, and they don't. I mean, I don't know. Maybe they're not full of shit. But when the guy brings out the God helmet and it looks like Thanos's helmet and it's got like flashing LED lights all over it and stuff,

I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Wait, wait. It's leaking through, man. The terrestrial TV bullshit is leaking through on the streaming service is now. It is, it is, it is, it is, dumber than I expected it to be. So that's my not cool of the week. All right. And then I watched, I also watched a couple that are not horror related, but were really awesome.

The hatchet wielding hitchhiker. I heard about that. I was pretty good, man. That shit took place like an hour and a half south of me. Yeah. And you're on an island now. I hope he's not on the island with you. Yeah.

Oh, I'm not worried about Kai. A guy. Surfer dude. Crazy in the head. Maybe. I don't know. I kind of feel for it. If I got dittled, that might be crazy too.

Wait. And there was the, what the guy was in there? John McAfee, the McAfee anti-virus guy. I don't know if you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty fucking nuts, isn't he? Yeah, he's a little bit wild. Okay.

Lives his life to the fullest as he is, you know, 70s and rich. Right. Or is, I don't know. Watch the documentary. At the end, they give a pretty big spoiler, maybe. Like, he might still be alive. I don't know. Kind of living on an island with Elvis.

us, huh? Yeah, maybe he faked this freaking death. And if anybody was going to do Michael Jackson. This guy or Epstein. You know? Right. So, that's money and power, and that was a pretty cool one too. All right, so that's it for you?

Yep. I've got a cool of the week. I watched a bunch of great shit this week, as I had, the wife was out for a couple of nights. Brian didn't get any of those re-uploads done. Sorry, dude. I went down to I went down to Andrew. What?

Fuck, what's his name? I was going to say Andrew Garfield. Help me out. The director that did men. Is it Andrew Garfield or is that the Spider-Man guy? No, that's Spider-Man. I'm fucking up the names here. Alex Garfield.

Alex Garland. There you go. It was close. Yeah, I watched like three of his movies one night. But what I can't believe I have never seen before, especially as much as I love Mad TV. is Key and Peel. Yes.

Key and Peel is far and away my cool of the week. I've never seen a single episode. Oh, too. Great. Okay, so my two favorites... He and feels fantastic. It's not Sheppel's so great. Ah, it's up there, man.

Okay, so my two favorite skits are the racist zombies. So they won't eat anybody black. So Key and Bill are like going down the street. Then these zombies are coming and they try to run from them. They're like, hey, man, these zombies are trying to, just passed this up. Fuck you. You don't want to eat me? Come on.

And then they turn around a quarter and all the black neighbors in the neighborhood are like having a barbecue and chilling. Everybody else is like running away from zombies. And the other one I loved, you were talking about, you guys were talking about the white supremacist shit, how it's very, very

funny sometimes, although it's not a funny subject. But when they were back like in Nazi Germany and they were literally wearing white face and pretending to think Germans. See, that was so good. That's the way to do it.

So fucking hilarious, man. They're trying to talk with that German accent. Then the German soldier is like, oh, well, we have a vase to see if you are a negro or not. Look at this. Cat toy! They look at it to the like, cat toy.

What the fuck is this guy? What kind of test is this? fucking hilarious man these guys are great so I'm gonna I'm gonna finish that up but I do have a not so cool of the week boys and my favorite but before you start on that my favorite yeah from them was uh when they're like hiding from their wives and I was like and I said bitch ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha they look around to make sure she's out there it's hilarious I love when jordan peel like he's doing his uh Obama oh yeah oh yeah he does a I love when he's like shaking all the white people's hands. And then whenever he gets to another black guy,

he's like, they give a big hug and all that. It's like, they have all the secret handshakes at every white guy and ladies. I love it. Very good. That's some good stuff, man. Not horror-related, but I guess it is, right? Because Jordan Peel's our favorite director now. There you go.

There you go. But my not so cool of the week. So am I the only one of the four of us here that has what they call an AMC, monthly pass, like the AMC, what the fuck's it called? I don't know. I don't have an AMC. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't have a AMC. Well, it's a, it's a deal where you pay 20 bucks a month, right? You get a card kind of like the old movie pass was. A-list, it's called A-list. And so you're kind of like, if I don't watch at least a couple of different movies at the theater this month, I feel like I'm getting fucked. So you kind of get to the point.

you're like, I haven't seen that horror movie. I know it's early January. It's probably not going to be as good as Megan, but I went and saw a movie called The Devil Conspiracy. Have you guys heard of this? I saw the trailer. It looked kind of like CGI and Fight Fest.

You put devil and conspiracy in the name, and I'm in. You would think so, Phil. This doesn't look. It looks more like that movie, God's of Egypt. Oh, no. You know what? I don't know what... Has that guy from Jason X?

He rode Jason X all the way down to space. Okay, because see, I don't... I didn't recognize... I love Jason X. I don't care. I didn't recognize the single fucking person from this movie. So it starts out telling the story of how Lucifer was cast down from the heavens. And in the exact spot on Earth, which just happens to be in Italy. And I don't know how they fucking know where he was cast down.

These people have built like a... like a tourist attraction for some reason. And then you go in the alley behind the Vatican. Yes, you do. It's in the alley behind the Vatican, exactly. And then for some reason, the next scene, you've got this fucking mad scientist going full Jurassic Park with like, so I've got the DNA of many famous people,

and I've learned how to clone them. And then somebody comes up behind him, he's got all these rich fucking billionaire sitting around them, right? And they're all like bidding at an auction. and he says, first item up for bed. And they hold up a fucking baby. And he says,

yes, that's right. I clone Leonardo da Vinci. What have you to offer for the clone Leonardo? And the people are holding up, oh, 800,000 euros. 12 million euros. 100,000 euros, 100 million euros.

And then the movie goes down from there. I don't know what the fuck these people were thinking. but let's just say that they think it's a good idea these cult members to steal the shroud of Turin have this mad scientist extract Jesus's DNA from the shroud of Turin inject it into a woman and for some reason they think that's going to be

the spawn of Satan even though it came from Jesus's DNA I mean something what didn't this was a thought a lot about religion, but that doesn't add up to me. I was about to say you're saying a whole lot, but I'm not getting a lot out of it. No, there's nothing to get out of it. Sounds a little like Transformers' Extinction. You know what?

Nothing in this fucking movie makes sense. I am so glad. Okay, now Brian, every year, real early on, I tell you this movie's going to be in my bottom 10. And every year, you tell me, no, it's not, it's too early. It is too early. Brian, I guarantee you. You said that last two, three years. Brian, I guarantee you.

Has it ever come to fruition? No. It is going to this year. Has he ever announced the bottom 10 in January and then in come December, there it is? The movie he's announced in his bottom 10 in January has not even been mentioned at all until I'm going to get up. You're right. I forget about it. I'm not forgetting about it. No, Black Phone was like early summer. phone is...

I feel like it was January. Why don't I think that? I know it felt like January. All right. Anyway, don't waste your shackles, guys. And if you're on AMCA A list, save it for another movie. Go watch fucking Barney the Purple Dinosaur rematch.

You should have been watched a... I don't know, house party. Oh, the remake. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, all right. I couldn't do the A list because I couldn't watch that fucking 10-minute promo from a what's her film?

Nicole Kidman every fucking time. Every fucking time. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm shot up. If I was Keith Urban at this point, I would slap the shit out of her. I have to watch her every fucking time I go to the movie. I don't like the promo, but I don't know if it leads to snacks and stuff.

Yeah, we don't endorse domestic violence here at the horror returns. All right, we better move on. Horror headlines. Brian, what do we got, man? we don't got much this week a lot of TV Noah Holly gave an update on his FX actually FX gave a update on Noah Holly's Alien series saying it will start production

as soon as he's done filming Fargo season 5 so it's confirmed from the network that it is happening okay we've been hearing about it for a long time we'll see Yeah, no, I guess Fargo's was a priority ahead of aliens. Yeah, that makes sense. This season. Yeah. No details, though, on what the story is going to be about.

It is a non-Ellen Ripley story, so. Is that going to be an FX show or is it? Yeah. Okay. FX show that'll probably end up being on Hulu, so. I wonder if he's going to go more like action or sci-fi. Yeah. Whatever he does, he just can't go, he can't be doing what Ridley Scott's been doing.

No, yeah. Covenant was no good. Yeah. I wasn't a huge fan of Prometheus either. I am a little worried since it seems like Ridley Scott's not fighting this and is supporting it. So maybe he is going a little bit more Ridley Scott. I like Prometheus. I thought that one was pretty good.

They'd like some history of alien shit. It was cool. Sort of. I just couldn't, like, the scientists, they're like, they see an alien and they're just like, hey, come here, cutie? Like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, what are you doing? Acting wasn't real long.

Cut it out. These are all the things you're not supposed to do. There were some very tense scenes in Prometheus. Plus, they look like big ugly bugs. It was a big fucking cobra snake-looking thing. And they're just like, oh, and you took his glove off. I'm like, put your fucking glove on. What are you doing?

Your instinct should be not to go pet it. Yeah. Lance, uh, Are you hearing me? I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. Okay. All right. Did you finish from? Refresh my memory.

Oh, the TV show. I think I watched like just two episodes. Okay. Are they doing a second season? Yep, second season premieres April 23rd. I mean, it was pretty good. Yeah, on the ridiculously branded Epic. Epic is now MGM Plus, which is stupid. because Amazon owns NGM,

so why not just make it an Amazon? What's what the POM? MGM Plus? MGM Plus. Wow. It makes zero sense to me since it's all owned by Amazon. There's like four people who own the entirety of everything. Right, right.

When are we going to get Musk Vision is what I want to know? They can't, but they can't put it all under one umbrella, fill, because then we would know the control, okay? And they have to give us the illusion. illusion that there's options. Because MGM used to be Disney, right? Now they just own everything else. I think MGM was just MGM.

They were like their own thing for the longest, and then Amazon threw all that money at them. Gotcha. Does anybody watching Slashers? Nope. All right. For anybody that is watching Slashers, the new season Slashers Ripper is set to premiere on Shutter

in AMC Plus April 6. Okay. Anybody watching Yellow Jack? I watched the first season this last year, Brian. And the problem is they gave away the killer halfway through the season. So it was like, I didn't get it, man.

The big mystery, they gave it away halfway through the season. So basically the second half of the season was just like, okay, well, we know this is the killer. Now we're chasing them down. I was expecting another switch, but I didn't get it. So I kind of quit. They've got to be doing something, right?

I think this is like the fifth or sixth season, so people seem to be enjoying it. Yeah, and doesn't it go from streaming service to streaming service? I think we went from Netflix to Shutter. So yellow jackets. Elijah Wood joins the cast of season two, yellow jackets. Okay. Maybe something will happen, right, Philip? Yeah, I enjoyed the first season, but yeah, that's a good point.

You guys, that's not, that's on Showtime, right? So that's the only place in streaming, unless you find it other means. Unless you find it other means, yeah. Until there's Showtime Plus. But is it, Showtime's like tied to Paramount Plus. Is it? Like, yeah, like, when I was looking through like the horror movie section on Paramount, like there's all these movies, but it's all, it has a little Showtime logo with a lock on it.

Yeah, I know, dude. I noticed that, too. Makes no sense. Makes no sense. I cut the cable. Cut the cable out. I'm paying the same amount for all these damn streams. If not more.

If not more. Guys, remember my CBS All Access rant? Oh, yeah. We didn't know what we're going for that. A couple more things here. Eli Roth is finally doing a feature-length version of his grind house mock trailer Thanksgiving. I think I remember that one. But I get it.

get it confused for some reason with like one of the fever dreams in American world in London for some reason because it's like visually it reminds me yeah yeah because like they all barge in you know and that family's sitting there and so like I always get it confused with that I can't remember I know fans have been asking for it for

since the grindouts came out I can tell by your your demeanor you're not you don't care Lance who needs Thanksgiving when we've got thanks killing I mean fuck, dude. Give us a thanks killing three for fuck's sake or bring the musical back and bring it to Texas.

There is a thanks killing three. They skip two and make three. Okay, okay. Well, give us a thanks killing 3.5 then. I'm down with that. Thanksgiving. Eli Ross Thanksgiving. Okay.

I mean, we're all going to watch it. This just broke today as we're recording. Chuckie has officially been renewed for season three. Chegis really good. Hell, yeah, it's really good. It's awfully vulgar and gory and like the shit that they can show on sci-fi. You're like, man, this feels like a not television show. Like, this feels like a premium show.

I still got to watch that one, man. It's on the list. Yeah, well done. The fan service is ridiculous. It's so good. Yeah. And lastly, the Crystal Lake Peacock series. from Brian Fuller in A-24

has cast Adrian King, who was in the original Friday the 13th, and Kevin Williamson, who we brought up, you know, writing sick. He's going to write it. It says an episode, but I've seen other reports that he might write more than one episode. Well, that sounds amazing.

Okay. I'm going to be right in line to see that shit. 824 Camp Crystal Lake So no shit And Kevin Williamson Brian Fuller Yeah Oh is he involved too?

Yeah he's a showrunner Oh my God Wow This is Uh would be good Wynn and we're again Brian They're just now doing all the pre-production So there's no start date I'm filming

But there was a little concern about what can be used Because of the whole rights thing but I guess because it's television they can use whatever they want that would be great so and where's that going to be streaming it when it does drop

peacock on the cock all right well we can make fun of the name all day but peacock's got some good shit on me no shit I know they do I can't lie I only watch peacock because of the WWE

but yeah well I feel like when they get sold they'll probably be on a different stream and side. Oh, yeah. Everything's going to move around as usual, but if you guys say that movie's sick is good, I might get it for that because I've been wanting to see that movie.

Yeah, but you, I feel like you hate slasher's. It's definitely in the slasier vein. Okay. But it is, it's like, it's brutal. I like them. I like slasers when they're gory. I like them when they're either gory or really, fucking funny.

Like, uh, there's a, it's, it's, it's like all slashes. It has an opening kill, which was, which was great. And like, through the point of view of the killer, right? No, oh, no, no, no. But like, I thought that the guy that was getting, that gets it in the beginning, like, he did a great job. Like, he was, right. Like, I was like, I like this guy.

He's got a little, he's got a little, he's got a little infinite step, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he, it doesn't really work out for him. But then, like, there's that scene where, um, the boyfriend at the cabin is, is, is, is getting chased around and like that was intense like it was like it was a really tense like they did a really good job with it so it kind of feels like it's a it's like 20 minutes set up and then after that it's just straight chase slasher goodness the the craziest thing is like when the killer when the when the when the when the killer is like talks when they do the monologue and explain

why the killings are happening, it's just bonkers banana. You're like, oh my God, there really are people out here that would do this. Like, this is, I ran into some of these people in 2020, I guarantee you. Sounds pretty cool. Sounds pretty cool.

All right, that's the news. All right, Steve, you ready to take a trip down to the trailer park? Let's go. All right, Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer tonight?

We're going to start with, I believe I'm pronouncing this correct, skinnamarink. Okay. It's going to be the new fun word to say. Yeah, funny name. I've heard good things already. Quick synopsis. Two children wake up in the middle of the night

to find their father is missing and all the windows and doors in their home and their home have vanished. Wow. Okay. Spoiler alert. I've already seen this movie. Yeah, it's out there.

Yeah, it's out there. I don't know how good the copy is. I know it looks, well, the copy is what, the movie is this trailer. Okay. It's a series of vignettes, a series of shots. There is no story run through.

There's no through line. Mm-hmm. It wasn't for me. Like, it's elevated hoarder is one thing, but like, this is too much. Like, okay. I was going to say that. They did say this would neither scare the shit out of you or it would be something that is not for you. Hmm.

Hmm. I'm interesting. I'm curious. I'm curious. There are a couple of shots that do look like, you're like, you're like, what the fuck is that? But then that's surrounded by a lot of minutes of things that aren't that. And it's just like, it just, but, you know, that's just my opinion. Is it something you would recommend or is this something that you just flat out saying no good?

Oh, no good for me. Like, it all kind of depends. But, like, I also know that, you know, and I'm sure Lance is very aware of this feeling that sometimes my opinions aren't always, you know, the most popular. Right, right. It happens. So there are some movies out there that people love, and I'm just like, eh, wasn't for me. Well, then how much can you tell from a trailer, though? Oh, no, but I saw.

He's seen it. Oh, okay, my bad. I missed that part. It had a few break. It's out there. It's available by other means. Yeah, it was kind of unfortunate. I think the story was, it was at, like, one of the festival screenings that it got uploaded onto the internet.

And then it was just kind of nothing you can do after. that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it just hit dinner this weekend and it's going to be on shuttered. Yeah. And now and now we're all able to watch it for free, but that's the way it goes.

All right. I guess we don't need to speak on that anymore. Steve took the wind out of her sales. I mean, I tried to, I apologize. I mean, I'm still going to check it out. Oh, definitely check it out, you know. Maybe you'll get something out. of it that I just completely missed.

Yeah. But Steve, I feel like you and me are on the same. A lot of times. Yeah. Yeah. On the same green wavelength. I mean, always. Yeah.

Now, do you have to be, do you have to, do you have to set the mood? Do you have to be in the dark? Do you have to be, you can keep it quiet? I think, well, I think that might have been one of the problems is because there was no strong narrative. I was occupying myself. You know what I mean? Like I was like, I was, you know, I'd get a message or the fucking the dog. Oh, hey, come here, bud.

You know, like, I'm just, it's, it just didn't, it didn't hold my attention. So. Yeah, that's, that's a shitty thing about not watching a theater. So maybe if, you know, you're in the dark and you're undivided attention, maybe you'll, you'll get more out of it than I did. Or maybe then you're trapped. But probably not. Probably not.

you gotta be green. I'm making my movie home for next week. I'd rather for next week. I'd rather be green and watch. Steve, 3,000 years of longing. The Jeannie movie, have you seen that yet?

No, I like the trailer, but that movie definitely looks like a green. You got to either be green or or something else. Preferably, preferably something of the shrewish

variety. I still like, it's like, I don't know if you guys, did you guys talk about the, you probably didn't, the trailer, the new trailer for Ant Man, Quantumania that just dropped. It looks cool, man. I know it's not, I saw it in 3D today, man. I know it's not horror later, but that's

a movie that I'm going to go to IMAX 3D and I'm going to get so fucking stone before. You're not the only one. Oh my God. Like, to this day, like when I saw the first Doctor Strange in theaters, I saw it in 3D IMAX at 10 o'clock in the morning,

and I got so fucking baked in the parking lot before I went there. I had like a fucking religious experience when he got, when he got like blasted by the ancient one and like went through all that shit. The hand came out like that, right? I was like, I had tears. I was just like, oh, my God. This is so good. Steve, I'm not going to lie to you, dude.

I take a hit of acid. Something told me to take a hit of acid. I'm glad I did. That's a little much for me. but I'll keep a dream. Nah, you would have been fine. It was another psychedelic movie. Yeah.

You would have been good, Steve. Trust me. In your comfort zone, I promise. All right. Trailer number two, this is being billed as the most effective horror film since the Blair Witch Project.

And that is the outwaters. It's usually a red flag. Big promise in the beginning? I know. Tough talk. Tough talk. The four travelers encounter menacing phenomenon

while camping in the remote stretch of the Mahavi Desert. This is built as Phil, this is being billed as a sci-fi horror. Oh, okay. I couldn't tell a goddamn thing from this trailer.

So y'all talk. Yeah, me, desert down there by, you know, the area 51-ish area. Maybe we're going to get a little bit of sci-fi horror. Maybe we're going to get a little bit of alien shit going on. It'd be cool.

I thought the trailer looked pretty sweet. I'm a... Yeah, I dug it. Did it get you much? Yeah, I kind of liked that. I felt like they gave me enough. It definitely set a mood for sure. I see the similarities with Blair Witch.

Looks like they go camping and possibly go camping and hiking in the area. They're not supposed to, and they get lost. So there probably could be some... losing time, you know, walking around, not knowing where they are. And I just like that one quick little shot at the end of the lady would look like insects all over, stuck in the little crevice of that canyon or whatever it was. And that flash, like the rapid fire quick shots of all the blood and shit everywhere. It's like, okay, well, something's going to go on in this.

And that's all I need. Yeah, I'm going to check it out. this is directed by Robbie Ben Fitch and he's also starring in it so

I don't recognize anybody else in the cast so yeah got to have your low budget movies too

right every once in a while you're going to get a gym well yeah if you get a low budget

making this much buzz with nobody in it that's a good thing that's green flag yeah we got one red

flag one green flag flag flag's offset Well, and from what the trailer showed, you only get a little bit of dialogue, but like the screaming and all the crying and all that shit, sounded pretty genuine to me, so... Yeah. I believe this one comes out in March or April. Is it a theater release or is it coming to VOD? I think it's a theater release.

Okay. So... I mean, it's my interest. And I know it's a... It's going to come to Screenbox after that. If anybody doesn't have Screenbox, I do recommend it. They got a lot of good stuff on there. And screenbox is a bleed cheaper than Shudder.

Well, and Shudder's already being cheap. Oh, then screenbox is only five bucks too. So same price. Same price. And finally, I saved the best, well, the best for you, Lance, because I know you're a big Ariaster fan. Bo is afraid. Yeah.

previously titled Disappointment Avenue, right? I think so. A decade-spanning portrait of one of the most successful entrepreneurs of all time. Now, you explain to me what the fuck is going on. I don't know. Not just with the synopsis, but with the trailer. I don't know, man. But I'm in.

I want to know. I want to know. And you got the Joker in there? Yeah, this looks good, man. I mean, Arias. I'm in there. I'll watch. yeah I'll watch anything he makes

but yeah it's it's it's got to be good it looks uh it looks very interesting I don't know where they came up with all the bizarre like uh what was that like a fucking green screen and animation behind him

toward the end there when he was walking what was that all about I don't know this is you talked about it that's acid right this is being built as a comedy drama mystery oh Jesus Christ oh boy

Hey, here we go. That man, Waukeen's out there doing his best Christian bail. He's going to hurt himself, right? Weight fluctuation he's doing it. I know. How do they fucking do that, man? Like, I've been working for years trying to lose 10 fucking pounds.

I know, I know, right? Matthew McConaughey still didn't look right. Oh, yeah. He never quite came back from that part, didn't. I don't know. We talked about unpopular opinions a little, a minute ago. and I loved Hereditary. And I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I did not like Midsomar.

Oh, dude. It was my favorite meeting that year, man. I didn't like it near as much as Hereditary. Hereditary still sticks with me. Like, there is some shit in hereditary that you can't unsee. King Pymond. The ants. Oh, my God.

The ants. Yes. Oh, God. Like, that shit still sticks with you. Right. But when it happened, like, it was a very, serious movie and that shit happened and you were like oh my god yeah yeah well steve maybe you'll like this one then because if you like the first one you

didn't like the second you're maybe maybe you're an odd-numbered arioster film fan yeah i mean i'll you know what it was with mid so mar i think it was just hyped up too much for me i was just expecting like that's the killer and it was all right but it was just like i don't know what the like everyone was talking about. Like, it ain't the second coming. Sure. Sure. But again, unpopular opinion.

I sort of felt that necessarily. Yeah. I mean, not everybody loved it. I mean, I didn't hate it, but like, haven't gone back and watched it again. That Viking shit with the, whatever, they pull the lungs out of the back. Was I called? Oh, yeah. The Eagle or whatever they call it.

The Blood Eagle. Yeah. Yeah, the Blood Eagle. Blood Eagle. That was fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen it about eight times.

this point. So, yeah. Do you ever watch the extended? Yes. I started at the theater. Yep. I went and started the theater. It didn't add that much for me.

There was the one little scene where they threw the guy in the lake and they put rocks on them and shit. And then they went and pulled him out of the lake. And I'm like, are they trying to, I don't, it didn't add too much to me. One of those things that got cut for a reason. Yeah. I was more happy with it. Yeah.

frankly. It didn't add anything. It was just kind of like they're just being fucked up to this guy for no reason explained. Yep. Good way to put it. All right. I was afraid in theaters April 21st. All right.

ought to be interesting. All right. Is that it for trailers? Yep. All right. Well, we'll move on to listener feedback. This week, the podcast spotlight signs on the weird girls next door. door, which did not sound good as a

welcome to the weird girls next door, your place for all things dark and twisted. Join Jenna and Steph each Wednesday as they dive into a new topic ranging from true crime to the paranormal and any other morbid curiosity in between. Brian posted a link to download the show. Reviews that scare.

Done. Nice. Thanks. Thanks for the download, guys. Cocaine Bear and Evil Dead Rising are still duking it out for the top spot of most anticipated movie of 2023. Yeah, Cocaine Bear looks fucking phenomenal. I know. Based on a true story, Steve. Very loosely based. Yeah. I don't think it's an actual...

Died of a heart attack right away. I don't think there was any rampage involved. I think the Bear's heart exploded 10 minutes after you. Mike to believe. there was a rampage. Yeah. Even if there was, it certainly didn't involve the bear sniffing lines off of a severed leg. But you know what?

I'm fucking here for that shit. I'm here for that. And that crazy-ass scene of the Henry, like slow motion leaps with the ambulance. I'm like, okay. I'm fucking ready. Give me this. Yes. Looks awesome.

Mark Reed did add the Winnie the Pooh. Winnie the Pooh. I kept thinking that maybe he had already come out. I kept looking for it everywhere. I've been trying to play. February 15th, and I probably showed through it in news, they're adding more release dates to it. Well, getting a lot of buzz.

I mean, just because of the concept. No pun intended, with the bees. Never mind. Yeah. How bad can it be? That guy's got a lot of shit coming out with that blood and guy. He's got, like, he's doing evil Peter Pan one.

I'm like, I'm going to all for that. Oh, is it the same guy? Yeah. He's the same guy doing the, he wants to do a bandy one, and then there's the Grinch one he's doing, the mean one. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. I heard he also wants to do a horror version take on Thor.

Okay. Probably be better than Love and Thunder, so it's funny. He has to be. I need somebody who's going to say that. Well, that would be sucked, so. Haven't seen it yet. That's okay. You don't have to.

Yeah, maybe for a reason, right? Just watch the scenes where the goats are screaming. That's the only... Okay. All right. Those goats are. Yeah, but you put that all in a compilation together, and it's like 20 minutes worth of shit.

Hmm. They beat that one until it was dead and brought it back to life. Just shed the bed. All right. Regarding digging up the marrow. Zim Vader says, Adam Green is awesome, but for someone who has the potential to be absolutely brilliant,

awesome is a failure. Oh, interesting. Okay. Let's see what we think about it. Adam Thomas says, I love Ray Weiss, but I honestly think the casting was such a well-known face in this faux doc that it hurt it.

No one would think that it's real anyway, so why not lean into the what-if factor? Also, Adam Green, not a great actor. Come on. Go a little lazy on Adam Green. He's a director. Come on.

Oh, and you sent me something. Give me just a second, and now we'll pull it up. Oh, yeah. We got some more feedback. So we got something from who sent it over?

Samantha Bean. Samantha Bean did. Yeah. And she was talking about, God damn it. Well, I've got the text message here. It was, what was the movie? I don't know.

We don't know what's talking about. Let me see I can find it here. Oh, it was the Skinnamarink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Samantha Bean sent the, yeah, a little trailer of it over. Michael Green said, yeah, loved it, but the people I was watching it with didn't. Definitely worth checking out. Ah, okay.

Samantha says, honestly, it is the kind of horror that I'm most afraid of. I've read a lot of reviews and mixed reaction. I showed Jim the trailer and he was intrigued. We'll watch it and I'll give it a report, but I have zero expectations. For now, I'm terrified because I hate unknown dark places that have no answer. Is that what it is, Steve? That's what you'll get out of the movie. Okay.

I can't help but that. Think of The Elephant Show. Oh, okay. All right. And that's it. All of our intro and new logos come from our man, Steve. Thank you, sir. I'm the geeks.

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for our featured attractions. This week, it's Steve's picks as we cover behind the mask, the rise of Leslie Vernon, and digging up the the marrow, neither of which I've ever seen. So this was exciting. Good, good thing. So we'll start with Behind the Mask, 2006. The next great psycho horror slasher has given a documentary crew exclusive access to his life as he plans his reign of terror over the sleepy town of Glenn Echo.

Director is Scott Glosserman, also known for The Truth Below. writers are Scott Glosserman and David J. Steve, Stive. Easy for you to say. Yeah, not so much. At the beginning, Taylor is standing in front of the Red Rabbit Pub. This is a reference to the Red Rabbit Matchbook found by Dr. Loomis in Halloween. The first time Taylor interviews Eugene and his wife a lament configuration puzzle box from Hellraiser. Oh, I got you.

Oh, cool. Can be seen sitting on the table. And when Leslie and the graduate students are scoping out potential victims at the school, he makes eye contact with a young woman. As this happens, three girls can be seen playing jump rope in the background. And this is a reference to a nightmare on Elm Street. But the one, two, whatever it is that they do. One, two, Freddy's coming for you.

That's the one. All right. Steve, you picked behind the mask the rise of Leslie Vernon. What did you think about it? So this is one of my favorites of like all time. It's kind of like a subgenre. It's not necessarily found footage. It's like fake documentary found footage.

Yeah, yeah. And it also. Mockumentary. And there's not a lot of them. No, there's really not. That's why I was like struggling. That's why I fell on digging up the mirror, which definitely is not my favorite.

But again, fake documentary. And not only that, but this movie takes it a step further at one point and just becomes a movie, which is kind of cool. I loved all the Easter egg references. That Eugene guy is fucking great. Herschel from The Walking Dead. Come on, Lance. Oh, yeah. And he's so good.

And, like, the way he's talking about, he's like Fred and Jay and Mike. Right. You know, like, so awesome. There's just so many little cool. cool things in there sprinkled out and Leslie Vernon is fucking fantastic when he's doing like

fucking like working out and he's doing cardio and he's just like complaining he's like you gotta fucking make it look like you're walking and these guys are running their asses off you know and it's like talking about deprivation tank training so you can slow your heart rate and make it seem like you're dead and come back up

for the last kill like all this stuff it was just candy it was just fan service for like two hours and I loved every second of it. And surprisingly, almost nobody has seen this. Like, I had the geeks watch it in, like, our first year when we were still doing movie reviews during the show. And we were just doing picks, different random picks throughout the weeks. And I picked that one, and neither of those two guys saw it.

They loved it. You know, and it's just one of those movies that I push if I find out nobody's seen it. So I love this movie. So it's awesome for me, hero. But I know that's not the rating scale we use on this show. We can do it tonight. Well, I'll give a number when it's time, but I loved it. So I hope you guys enjoyed it too, so I'm not sure who's taking it after me.

Brian, you want to go ahead? Yeah, I absolutely agree with Steve. This is a great movie. I love all the references. The actor that plays Leslie Vernon is perfect. I love all the cameos. Robert England, Zelda Rubenstein from Poulter Guys pops in here. Yeah.

I thought in the room She was like Oh my god, I thought she was dead Yeah Robert England as like the Loomis character So good I think my favorite part of the movie Is ah

When he goes and They have a dinner with I'm gonna call him Herschel Because he's Herschel I mean just Just that calm Yeah just that calm I'm gonna let's go sausages though man

Just them talking calmly about murdering people. Like, it's just nothing. And the reaction to the grad students kind of just like looking at each other, what the fuck's going on? Their line of work gets essentially just talking about work.

The wife. How great was she? Yeah. A former final girl that just ended up being with the killer. Right. So, yeah, I've seen this many times.

This is a fantastic. pick. That scene where Herschel is like, Herschel, where Eugene is cutting the carrots and he's complaining about like just random. Oh, and then you just hear the little rapid fire.

And then it cuts back and it's all mush. You're like, holy shit, that man. That man is dangerous with a knife. Well, it's not like it was in his heyday. The 60s and 70s. Yeah, he was kind of like a Texas Chainsaw Massacre era. You know, he's like, we would get in, do it and get out.

He's like, and then Mike and Jay and Fred came in, and they started adding all these fantastical elements and this and this and change the game. They changed the game. And they embellish everything. And not only that, Leslie Vernon's mask and his look is pretty good. Like, it's not bad. So. Yeah, it's better than Vince Vaughn's in the movie where he trades place for the places with the high school girl. That's for sure.

The teakie mask. That's kind of cheesy. freaky or what was that freaky? Yeah, freaky or freaked? Was it freaky? That was a good one. It was so awkward. It was like talking to that boy in the back seat. I was like, oh my God.

Lance, what did you think about it? Yeah, it was fun, man. I think that there was a lot of the humor in this though. I mean, okay, yeah, what you guys are saying about the obvious shoutouts is that's right there on the nose, right? That's like the easy meet.

You can tell that just by watching. Like when they start at the beginning, and by the way, the young lady that played the reporter, she looked just like a chick from a like a 1970s horror movie, right? Like those low budget movies where you've

got the real pale, red-haired girl. I don't know, to me, she just looked like she literally walked right out of a 70s slasher movie for some reason. I mean, we just brought it up. She kind of maybe favors Adrian King from Friday of 13th? I could see that.

Absolutely, I could see that. But that part, that part's awesome, right? Because you've got, they're literally, you know, right? Like, right on the nose, right? They're going to Haddonfield. They're going to the house on Elm Street. The dude, the neighbors locking the door and said, uh, we don't talk about that, you know,

and just like shutting them out and everything. And nobody wants to do with it. Haddonfield, they're closing the curtains. Yeah, yeah. They're talking about everything, and it's a really cool little mockumentary, but what got me was when they kind of started getting into the more, I don't know if you would sort of call it, like, I would refer to it as comedy that's sort of subliminal. Like, unless you're really paying attention to it, you don't, maybe don't catch the joke so much. Like, for example, when he said, he said, okay, so you're going, no, the part that got me was. when he said, okay, she got the final girl and she has to disappear into the area where she's

reborn anew because she was a virgin. And then she just turns and looks at him and says, so you're pro-life. And for some reason, that line of that joke just fucking hit me so hard. It was like, okay, now I know what we're watching here. We're talking about the womb and how you're innocent and the room and stuff. And they're like way over-explain it. And I'm like, Slash your movies are kind of a... intellectual.

Would you look at it this way? It's like it's almost like an A24 description of a horror movie, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, I really enjoyed this one, man. It's one of those that I've heard many, many, many, many people talk about. It's been on a lot of top lists on podcasts that I listen to. People love this movie. People are pretty nostalgic for it.

I know there's certain friends of mine that will watch it every single Halloween during their 30 days over and over and over again. Steve, I don't know if it's true, man. I'm just going off what I saw on IMDB, but it does say in the future, there is going to be something called the letter B and then the numeral of 4 and then TM. So is that supposed to be a prequel that's coming out? It's got the same people and same director.

Sending you guys a poster. Okay. One of the writers is doing a short film that's set in the universe. And I think they're trying to kickstart a sequel of some sorts with the short film. There's so much opportunity here, right? I mean, this could go in so many directions. And you've still got plenty of characters that are still alive.

The only thing that bothered me a little bit was at the end when you found out who the real Final Girl really was, right? Like, the whole thing was set up perfectly and choreographed by the killer from the beginning. and he knew who the final world was going to be, and it wasn't the virgin that they walked in on riding the cock. She's like, she's supposed to be a virgin. He's like, she was bouncing on that dick like a pogo stick. Like a pogo stick. He said it clearly wasn't her first time.

Well, yeah, very clearly. Very clearly. She was fucking whipping the shirt. She was doing a reverse camera, man. No, the only thing that bothered me just to smedge was that they let the cameraman live, right? So if it was really the final girl, why did they let the cameraman live? But, hey,

you know, that's cool. Save it for the sequel to the prequel or whatever. Did they let the camera live? I'm ready for cool. I thought it kind of switched it. It switched views. The camera got it. It was the skinny guy. Yeah. At that point, at that point, there was no camera.

You just went into movie mode. There was no buddy. Yeah, for some reason, I thought it was the cameraman. You guys corrected me. But it was a dude that was involved in making the film, correct? It was. Like the producer or whatever. But like when the cameraman got it, that was fucked.

Like it got like Leslie Vernon is like this nice jovial guy. And then when he goes and kills the cameraman, he like, he takes his mask off and he just has this blank fucking slate. And he snaps his neck and then puts his mask back on. You're like, God damn. Yeah. Took a turn. Leslie Renan is not fucking around. He's a professional.

All right. Work is work. He saw him prep in the house. He's like, I very, you know, nays. to, you know, nailed all these fucking windows shut and I cut these branches. They jump out. It's going to break. Like, God, he's a prepper.

Yeah, he is, man. We should have three or four of these already. They never seem to go through the windows on the first floor. Right. I love that line. What would you do if they smash the windows out? He's like, I don't know. You would think they would do that, but they don't.

They usually go up to the second floor and do that. And then loosening the axe handle. the axe that she's going to grab and yeah this was a good one man but again I'm a little disappointed that there's not more because I'd really love to be able to now go see like part two part three part four but I don't know man maybe if her patient

we'll get at least the Ghostbester's treatment we'll get to see him as a geyser 2006 was that 17 years so like yeah it's been a while it's been a while hopefully this the short film from the writers kind of kicks off something like a revival because I know with the fans

there's a fan base for it and maybe this is smart interest in the studios They even had a poster for the Before the Mask, the one that Lance was talking about That's the one I want to see, man That's the one I want to see. I hope it's real. I hope it's really coming.

Well, that's a sign of a good movie if it leaves you wanting more And yeah, I definitely wanted more after this one. I thought it was fan-fucking-tastic. Like, I was enthralled the whole way. I love the guy that play Leslie Vernon. I mean, everybody was pretty good in it. And, like, I tried explaining this movie to my wife,

and it doesn't really make sense if you're trying to explain it. Yeah? You got to see it, huh? I was like, yeah, you got to watch this movie. It's great. It had comedy. It had horror. It had everything.

And then, yeah, they sort of seamlessly went from mockumentary to just straight up horror movie and you're kind of rooting for the bad guy. They did a good job of that. Like the end credit scene where it's like Yeah. Oh yeah. He had to come back.

Yeah, I knew it was coming, but you had to wait a long time. You had to keep watch all the credits. And that's the sign of a good filmmaker too, right? Because they actually make you sit and. watch the credits. For five minutes, he's just laying there on the table, but you're like, come on, come on. Hey, I think maybe Damien Leone got that idea for Art the Clown from the first Terrifier movie. I'm sure he did.

Yeah, because that was straight out of it, man. But yeah, I mean, I was, I had heard of this movie in passing, but I've never watched it, and I'm so glad that I did, this is definitely going to be a, and this is a perfect Halloween movie, because it goes over like I mean rules and, you know, famous bad guys. And it's perfect for it. I'm definitely watching this one every year. All right. Scores.

Steve, what do you think? It's a hero. It's hard. Like our scale is like like a five-layer scale. So 10 is a little bit different. So, God, I want to give it a 10 on 10, but there's, there's a, I guess there could be a little, I'm going to give it a nine on 10. It's damn near, that's strong.

That's strong. Perfect. It's damn near perfect. Like, I look at this and I don't know what really I would adjust out of this except for, like you were saying, Lance, more. Like, like, you know, flesh it out. They were, they were so close, you know, to tapping into something that could have just gone forever. And so it's damn near perfect for me. That scene in the library when he's like hopping over the shelves and shit.

Oh yeah, right. It's like superhuman, superhuman strength and speed. Ah, fuck it. It's a hero for me. I'm not on here enough. 10 on 10 for me. I'm going to go ahead. Oh, wow.

Wow. All right. It is one of my favorite movies. So. I guess so. Brian, what do you think? It's, can't argue. It's damn near perfect.

I have no complaints about the movie. I do agree with Lance I did end up wanting more but I can't really have that as a complaint so I'm going to give this a 9.5 Holy shit Jesus fucking Christ I don't think I've ever seen I don't think I've ever heard Brian give

that score before so that's another hero it's a hero are we going to get a superhero I don't know Lance are we Phillips gonna bring us down watch is that where we think the brain is coming

I'll go first because we know how I'm going to this. It's going to be awesome. I'm going to give it a 9.5 to I reserve the right. This movie was so much fun. It caught me at the beginning

and I stayed with it the entire way. Like, I was sort of playing on my phone for part of the time on the other movie and then I watched this one after and I fucking put that thing down and I was stuck on the screen. It was so great. And, you know, it's a movie

I tried to explain to my wife afterward. So I'm going to make her watch it with me. Oh, she will. Amazing. Real quick before you bring us down, Lance, the short film. The short film will star Nathan Bessel who plays Leslie Vernon. Oh, fuck, yeah. There you go.

I mean, you've got to bring him back, right? He reminds me of like a young Jim Carrey in a way. Yeah, very much. Especially when he puts the makeup on, That was my first thought. I was like, man, what's like Jim Perry? Yeah.

Lance. Okay, so what's so cool about this movie is the way they do it so matter-of-factly, right? Like, she's just doing just yet another new story. It's like she's not even worried that he's going to kill her or kill anybody else on the crew or anything like that. These killers are, this is a lived-in world. Freddie Kruger exists. It's a lived-in world. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. It kind of takes you into the universe, which is awesome. And the fact that it's like a shared universe. They're like the Avengers of Killers. Yeah. Like there's a whole line. That's a good way to put it.

That is a good way to put it. It's definitely a hero. There's no doubt. So it did just ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. We just hit superhero, right? Perfect. But I'll give it an 8 out of 10. An 8 out of 10 is a damn fucking great score, man.

That's a good score. I loved it. Yeah. I was going to say, Steve, from Lance, that's damn near the 10. No, it's fun. I know, I know. Lance gives out a lot of threes and four. Well, this will be, this will be a rewatch.

So, um, I'm hoping for before the mask and everything else. So, uh, yeah, eight on 10, baby, it's a, it, it won that coveted superhero. Every, every one of us gave it a hero. So that is how that works, right? I'm glad we probably should have done this one last then. All right? Nah, nah, nah. Let's keep going, man.

All right. I'm really glad you guys all dug it. Highly recommend behind the mask. It's not super easy to find, but it's out there. And worth paying a couple bucks to rent it. No, I found it on an AMC Plus, dude. Both these movies. Yep.

Oh, I found it by other means. Yep, both these movies were on AMC Plus, which I am paying for. And it comes with Shutter. And it also comes with Sundance Chances. channel and IFC. So actually, you know what, guys, for my money, AMC Plus for like $8 a month is one of the best deals out there for me. Well, you get that plus shutter, which is five.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a steal. I found both of these on YouTube. Oh, really? Whatever you can find a baby, but I will say this, the quality was really nice. I've noticed all the babies I've seen on AMC Plus have really good editing and great picture quality, so I'm happy with that.

There was one scene, too, we didn't really touch on, but it's like right when all the killings about to get started, and they're all kind of hiding in that little back closet. Oh, yeah. Two kids come up, and they start fucking on the bed, and she's like, you see Leslie, he's like, hyping himself up. He's like,

who, you know, like, he's like, all right, go. And he runs out there, and you just hear the sounds of like people getting gutted and bloods everywhere, and the camera and they're just like, what the like, holy shit. It's fucking real.

And then he just comes back in like nothing. He's like, all right, well, that went off. Like, onto the next. If he bounced out. You're like, what the way? Yeah. And that, and that goes back to what he said about. Now, don't you fucking get to this point where you say we've got to do something to help and stop this.

Don't you fucking do it. Yeah, that's a good movie, man. All right. So definitely go watch that one. Digging up the marrow, we'll see. It was from 2014. It is a documentary exploring a genre-based monster art. It takes an odd turn when the filmmakers are contacted by a man who claims he can prove that monsters are indeed real.

Director and writer's Adam Green, also known for Hatchet and the TV show Holliston. The last appearance for Dave Brockie, the singer of the metal band, Gwar. Brocky was a regular on Adam Green's TV show, Holliston. as well as a close friend. There was a discussion of cutting Brocky scene in which he prophetically declared, I have been a monster, I will always be a monster,

and after I'm dead, I'll be a dead monster. But it was ultimately decided that it would be a retained scene since it was the last footage of Brockie that was ever shot, and probably a fucking great quote from him. Yeah, and Nez talked about that on his top list, man, when he was talking about the TV special,

This is Gore. So, yeah. So I'm glad we got to see Gore in concert, Philip. Yeah. All right. Steve, you picked Dinging Up the Mero. Why'd you pick it? So I picked Dinging Up the Mero because, again, it's a fake documentary style.

Also, you guys are always talking about Texas Fright Mayor horror conventions. Horror Conventions are a big part of this movie. There's a huge chunk in the middle where they're at the horror convention. and Hatchet, whether you love them or not, they are a staple in the slasher genre. Those are, you know, there's three movies, I think. Three Hatcher movies? Hatchet movies, not Hatcher.

Yeah, maybe four. Is there for, or Victor Crowley, too? 1, 2, 3 and Victor Crowley, or was Victor Crowley? No, 1, 2, 3, and Victor Crowley. Yeah, Crowley, that was the one where they crashed the airplane in the swamp or whatever. It kills one of the impractical jogers. Yeah, that's funny. I don't think that...

You're right, you're right. So, Adam Green has some stuff out there. I never saw the Hollister show or Holliston. I have it either. I don't want to. I know it has a crazy fan base where people get, like, actual tattoos of the Holliston logo. I don't even, I don't even know what it is. So, like, I got to look into that.

Also, I'm a huge, huge fan of practical effects. If CGI is done right, it's fine, but in horror, it's really tricky. Like, one of the reasons why I like horror, especially old horror, as you can see behind me, you know, I got friggin' the Dream Warriors playing behind me. I always have some horror tape going on. It's, I love practicals, old school, you know, bare, knuckle filmmaking. And when I saw the trailer for this, the monsters that they showed looked awesome. So, you know, unfortunately, I think one of the downfalls of this movie is you don't get a whole lot of it.

I don't say what little bit you see. Yeah. But, you know, it does have some, you know, Ray Wise is in this. He's been in all sorts of shit. So you have some genre actors in there. I thought it was all. It was pretty good for what it was. I mean, Adam Green, I'm not going to say he's like the next freaking Daniel Day Lewis or nothing, but I didn't think he did a terrible job.

He's not the next Stanley Kubrick, huh? They threw a joke in there after he was filming one of his little segments. Somebody said, maybe we should have hired an actor play you. Oh, yeah. At least he's self-aware, right? But again, I liked a cool guy, though. I liked it that it was, they said it in the real world. You know, they brought you in and all the shit was real.

And the whole concept about monsters being real and what they ended up explaining that they were was pretty crazy. And Adam Green's wife is pretty hot. So that was a big plus two, especially the end of the movie. So that's it. I mean, I dig it. I don't think it's nearly as good as behind the mask, but it is in the same subgenre of found footage. So there we are. So, Brian, what about you?

I enjoyed it for what it was. I didn't expect the acting to knock it out to park. And like I said, they knew what they were doing with the little subtle joke about the acting. Ray wise I do understand the comment earlier about maybe hiring somebody that wasn't kind of a well-known actor to play the role But he played that role

Really good Because he seemed like a fucking whack job Like you didn't know if he was telling the truth or what And I thought he did a real well job on that It could have been a much worse movie Yeah I like the practical effects on the monster designs. I wish we got to see more of them. I wish we got to see more of the actual

Amero going in and stuff like that. Sure, sure. I love the cameos from, what was it, Mick Garris, Cain Hodder. Sure, yeah, lots of cameos, man. What's his name? I'm blanking on his name. Or as Nes would say, what's his nuts? Yeah, what's his nuts? Which he loves to say. Same name as Spider-Man. Tom Holland.

Yeah, Tom Holland. The other directors. Oh, yeah, the directors that were giving him the business at the convention. The one guy was like, what are you stupid? I was like, God damn. Right to his face? Yeah, that was a little harsh. Big Garris was really good in that.

He's saying that shit in public because he can't do nothing about it. That's fucked up. Yeah, like I said, I enjoy it. And yeah, I do appreciate his wife being in a movie because we had to get some Rob Zambi Sherry Moon Zombie scene in there at the end with the shot of her in the bed. I mean, close up, just right up in there.

Hey, he appreciates his wife and I do too. But with that being said, it's not the greatest movie that I've seen from Adam Green. I do enjoy, from what I've seen from Adam Green, I love the hatching movies because they just have the most over-the-top ridiculous kills in there. Sure.

and another film that I really enjoy that I recommend is Frozen. Oh, yeah. I get stuck in the ski lift. All the wolves down there and like, do we jump or do we stay in it? Yeah. Was it Ice Man or his brother? They're twins. I'm not sure which one is.

But I was like, God damn, if he's Iceman in the X-Men movies, and then his first movie out of the gate is like, he's like, can I just get away from snow and ice and snow for a little bit? But like I said, I enjoyed it for what it was. I think if you're an Adam Green completist, check it out. But if you go your life without watching it, you'll be okay. I just think we should have seen more of the monsters and the marrow. Great poster.

Great poster for it. All right. Lance, what do you think? So, yeah, this movie really had me going. I'm like, okay, this looks just as much fun as the Leslie Vernon movie, and it looks like he's going to do just as good of a job. And we're really going to, oh, man, this is feeling like a real documentary. And there for a minute, I'm like, I'm even kind of starting to believe, is this maybe some guy that he goes out and finds?

And then the minute Ray Wise shows up, I'm out of it. Are you fucking kidding me, dude? You really had to get Ray fucking Wise. God damn it, Adam Green. What the fuck? Were you thinking? Just pick some random, dork, crazy-looking guy to play the park? and this would have been a masterpiece.

The homeless one. For all we know, he did, and it just completely went south. Maybe. It was like, I need somebody with a little bit of acting chops. Ray Wise did have all of the weight to carry. Nobody else did anything in the movie, but...

That was my point. It could have been way worse. Okay. As you guys said, he knocked it out of the part from an acting perspective, but who doesn't know who Ray Wise is for fucking crying out loud. That was just fucking stupid.

I don't know. He was good. I'm going to name him. Yeah. Little Bigfoot. Yeah. And that was funny. And ha-ha.

Yeah. That's great. You want to name him now? Fucking umbrella. Yeah, I love that too. But God damn it, dude. This could have been so much better, I think, if he had just gotten a no-name person and just played it through the way he started

the first act of the movie and if he kept it in that exact same vein and you know what the whole third act of the movie should have been lights popping and little monsters running across the screen. There shouldn't have been a grand total of three

fucking monsters that we actually saw. Granted the makeup was awesome and that little thing that kind of looked like the ghost from Ghostbusters was amazing. A little guy. It kind of looked like that little roly-poly dog from like the dark crystal. That was great.

That was great. And then the pumpkin head-looking one was great, but we just didn't get enough of it. I like that one that had like the blue, it almost looked like a big blue balloon. And then it lifted its head. Holy shit. That was great. That one was awesome. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just this movie should have known what it was going to be. It ended up, it was one thing. And then it turned into a, you know, regular movie with regular, well-known. own stars and, you know, good, but it was no Leslie Vernon, guys. Sorry. Nope. Understood. Well, yeah, that's understandable. And it was, I think it's a watchable movie. I didn't hate it. And yeah, when Ray Wise showed up, it's not a name that I know, but he's that guy. He's that guy. When you see him, you're like, oh, I've seen that guy in a bunch of shit. Jeepers, creepers. He was the devil and reaper.

Yeah. Jesus Christ. And so, yeah, when he popped up, I was like, oh, I see what we're doing here. Because I wasn't really sure what I was watching before that happened. I know, and I love not knowing what I was watching. Yeah. That's what was fun. But then as they went on, he did sort of carry the movie and he threw a little comedy into it. I think that there was a couple of times where they're pulling like a paranormal activity kind of a thing where it's like

yeah with the camera this shit is happening right in front of your face well do we still believe him I don't know well something just took your shoe off your foot and he's gonna see that seemed to make a little monotonous you know I wanted more action I wanted more to happen I wanted them to go

more into the marrow right if they had a really big finale like like house of the devil like house of the devil if they got dragged into the marrow and the camera was getting tossed around and they were picking it up and using it as a light source so that's why you were seeing it like if you got some tunnels

and some crazy monsters fucking dipping in and out a little holes like that might have changed the whole outcome of this thing. Yeah I think it absolutely would have. Yeah. Although I did love the line during that scene when they were doing that

and he's like he's got his arm down it and he's like oh my God something's got me and he's like you better not do that again and he's like I wouldn't use the same gag twice and he was like have you seen that you too yeah a lot of digs a lot of digs i also like you know adam green when he's i love like the facial expression he gives the camera when that when that runway starts popping off and saying it's a weird shit yeah he always has some really good reaction shots he definitely has a lot of office moments where he's staring down the camera

he's like right he's got fucking serious uh very meta um It was an interesting movie. Again, this mockumentary thing, especially the way that they did it, is not something that's done very much. And so I got to commend the guy for taking a chance on something so fucking weird. And I appreciate that. I didn't hate the movie. It definitely was not as good as Behind the Mask. Behind the Mask was super entertaining the entire time.

This one got a little slow at parts. It was, they went a little too much into the Do We Believe? leave this guy or not thing when they should have yeah they took like well I don't know how they did an hour of the movie should have been

more into the monster stuff after that first monster popped up when they was like turn on the light he turns on the light and it's fucking right there and it's like it was great

cold and then 30 and then 30 more minutes before anything else happened yeah but it was 30 more minutes of them being like well what really happened do we believe him like yo you saw a fucking

it was right there it's on tape it did lead to some good back and far or like when he kept showing, he was shown like Kane Hodder. And he was like, those are some great effects. That was funny. Yeah, I loved it from Kane Hodder.

And it makes sense from Kane Hodder, but when they were arguing amongst themselves and both of the guys were standing there, weren't happening. Didn't make any sense. Yeah, where did you film this? And he tells him, he was like, you know they make porn out there.

You got any of that? You want to show me? Well, and it was also, like, weird when they explained what the monsters were. They're not necessarily monsters. just these otherworldly beings, they're just deformed children that go live in the woods. Yeah. Kind of weird.

Maybe, I don't know, that one had like tentacles and shit. So is, was that the explanation for the, the, the chains in the one room? That's what I was trying to figure out. And him talking about his son. Yeah. Yeah. And then he was out there feeding, he was out there, they caught him on camera feeding the, something in the hole. Yeah, but they didn't really go in, they didn't follow that story.

they just sort of dropped that one and left it alone. It really could have done a lot more. Could have fleshed that one out a little more. Yeah, this movie has got really good ideas. It's like ambitious. Yeah, there you go. Like the premise, the whole concept is phenomenal. It's just the execution that doesn't quite nail it.

Got a little ADD. Too many good ideas. Not nearly enough of a budget. They needed a few more shekels to throw out this thing to get some more good shit in there. All right, scores. So if I was on my show, we'd be giving this a sidekick right down the middle, so I'm going to go somewhere around there for this score. It's going to be I'm going to give it a five.

Five on top. I mean, it's not bad, but it's not good. It's just kind of right in the middle. That's what a five is. Yeah, five sounds worse than it is. Right. I liked it more than I didn't like it. I appreciate what he did as far as practicals.

It must have been maybe budgetary reasons. They couldn't really do as much as they wanted to. I agree with what Steve said earlier. They had more ambitious ideas than maybe they had time to flesh it out. It would have been better. So I'm going to give it a six and a half. Nice. All right.

Well, I'll go next on this one because I'm right there. with you. I think it's like this seems like a three on a five, which is not a rating that we've ever used, but that's what I'm using. So I'm going to go six and a half also, I think, but that's the perfect score for this movie.

It is kind of right in the middle. It's not bad, but it's not awesome. But I did like it more than I didn't like it. It was entertaining and interesting, and they tried something new, which I appreciate. Lance? Yeah, I like

it more than I didn't. Six on ten. All right. Steve, you're a low man. I'm trying to not be like go crazy with, because I do have to apologize. The last time I was on the show, we were talking about Scream 5, and I think I gave it a four. And I would like to rescind that because I've since watched it more than once. I've since watched it like three or four times. I have that fucking month.

I have too. I don't know what happened. I think you know what it was. I was stuck in the fucking theater, and I had to wear a map. the whole time and there was some assholes next. Oh no. It was just like a bad experience and I think I kind of took that with me. Come Texas, dude.

It's okay, Steve. It's okay, Steve. I mean, sometimes it happens. You know, Lance says Screen 3 is the best sequel out of the franchise. You know, y, y'all, yeah, yeah. Stuff happens. So anyway. And that was the other thing.

I was looking through the messages because I had sent Brian a message one day like on the way to work. I was listening to your show and I had to like text them right right away. I was like, what the fuck is Lance talking about? Spider-Man No Way Home is awesome. What is he going off and off about? We know you'll be next for stream six, right? 100%. 100%.

Okay. Well, dude, thanks for joining us, man. Where can all of our listeners find the geeks? And what do you all have coming up? We don't really have. We have some more releases to do for the 12 days of Christmas. we had to take a little hiatus on those because a little went back to Chicago for the holidays. And so we didn't.

We almost took like a month off because it was just too hard to get everybody together during the holidays. So we have a few more movies to release there. We're going to be releasing Christmas Bloody Christmas. Oh, God. And Violent Night, which I haven't seen the Robot Santa movie just yet, but Violent Night's fucking amazing. Isn't it great? I love that movie. It's so good.

David Harvard, man. Fucking great. I just want more Viking shit. Like, give me more. But not until some new movies come out. Do we really have anything, no big events going on? All right. Well, you got the devil conspiracy.

Y'all can talk about that. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I'll probably not do anything. Maybe you can figure out what the fuck is going on in it. It's possible. But you can find us anywhere, anywhere, We're a podcast or streaming. Just look up the geeks and we're there.

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This is how we hang out. So this is what we do. Same here, man. We're just hanging out. We're just here to have fun. Absolutely. And hopefully you guys at home are also, and we want to certainly thank you all for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. You can find us at www.com or email us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com.

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This is what I'm excited about, the brand new missing. That looks fucking really fun. I was on board and then what is the actress Storm Storm reads She put out some kind of A young one or older one? Yeah She put out some kind of It's supposed to be promotion for the movie She put it out on like Twitter or something

It's her on her looking on her phone looking If anybody's seen my mom please help And it just That's cheesy That says cheesy Okay well I mean, I'm just going to utilize it social media because that's part of the movie. But just, of course.

She looked like they, her manager called her and was like, we need you to do this right now. Well, Steve, thanks for joining us, Steve. And until the horror returns again, oh me, good night. There you go.