The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #36: The Ring (2002) & Rings (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: August 28, 2021

This week we check out the original American version of The Ring, as well as Rings. Thanks for listening!

James victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of land. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. You who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends.

Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then go back and find a classic work with similar themes looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same, from generation to generation. But also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. We include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. So if you don't wish to hear the spoilers, just turn us off at that point,

and we promise you won't miss a single thing. We generally assume you guys have already all seen the classic films, so there will always be spoilers when discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and of course, all good horror movies are R-rated, so you can expect us to be, too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys?

What is up? going horrifying. All right. You guys want to kick it off with Cool of the Week? I checked out a few new shows that came out in the past week. First one was a new DC show

on TV, Powerless. Ah, okay, yeah, I saw that on Facebook that you were watching it. Yeah, it's not the worst thing I've ever seen. I don't necessarily know if I'm... I mean, it's got a good concept. It has to do with like these people that work at

one of Bruce Wayne's buildings, basically they come up with ways for people to basically they have preventions for people that come under fire from superheroes and villains fighting each other. Right.

Like maybe like, you know, basically their insurance for people. Oh, geez. Yeah. And I mean, it's a good idea, but the show kind of, I don't necessarily know if I'll stick with it. As long as it's not the worst thing you've ever seen.

It's not. Yeah, that counts for something. And there's a lot of references to, you know, you'll catch them. They reference the Joker, Batman, you know, all kinds of stuff. So. So is it kind of similar to Marvel Comics miniseries, comic miniseries they had that was called damage control where they kind of go, they have a group that kind of, they have a group that comes and cleans up after all the superhero fights?

Yeah, I would say if that show was about the people that clean up, this show's about the people that come up with ideas to prevent people from getting hurt from that kind of stuff, basically. That's interesting. And, yeah, I mean, I think it's worth checking out. I don't necessarily, I don't know if it'd even make it past first season, personally, if you ask me. But I checked out a couple of interesting net. flick shows. One of them I did finish. Let me talk about

the one I just started. Probably like three episodes in was a series of unfortunate events. Oh, okay. It's not too bad. And that's coming from someone that's, I've never read the books. I didn't care for the Jim Carrey

movie, but the show is pretty decent. And my sister-in-law is super into it because she read the books. And she said after watching the show she now feels she knows what Harry Potter fans feel like when they see a movie

that's the way in what way what do you mean by that she said compared to the movie the show is more accurate to the book ah okay I got you okay and and the last thing I checked out was Santa Clarita Diet

with Drew Barrymore wow that's the one I'm most how is that Yeah, I really like it. I thought it was funny. I like, it gets kind of gory when you get to the zombie stuff. Right. It's a fast watch.

I actually binge. It's 10 episodes, but they're 30 minutes each. So I kind of just, I just went right through it. So I recommend it. I definitely recommend people. people check it out. It looks funny. And yeah, that's all I watched this week.

Yeah. I watched a different kind of zombie movie, The Girl with All the Gifts. Oh, you saw that? Yeah, I've been late to check this one out. I think it's VOD on DirecTV right now. Okay. But I believe it may be out everywhere now on VOD.

Or if not now, then pretty soon in February. Totally worth it. It was really good. Like, I don't know if we're reviewing this movie at all, but we should. I loved it. It's that. Yeah, I mean, there was a couple of scenes, towards the beginning of the movie, actually,

where you could tell maybe they ran out of money for the budget on that one. And so there were a couple cheesy effects. Right. But it was really only in a couple of scenes. The rest of the movie was pretty awesome. It was a cool take on a zombie movie. I'm pretty sure all the money went to Glenn Close. For being in it.

Yeah. Did she have a perfect rule? She did. She was like the, you know, I don't know whether to call her a bad guy or a good guy. Everything was kind of gray area. It wasn't so black and white. This was like a zombie movie that kind of made you think.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one. Very trained to Bussanish, but I like this one better. Now, was it a British, primarily a British? cast or was it uh... yeah i think so okay uh... because aside from glen close i think everybody else is british maybe the teacher

was uh... was american i can't really remember but uh... yeah it was it was mostly british cast you know what i think i'll check it out this week as a matter of fact that's yeah i think i'm going to too too that's what that's what i've been looking forward to for some time you know and that that's about it man that's all i watch

yeah well i didn't i didn't really have a cool of the week too much. It's, uh, it's been kind of a hectic week. I've been getting a lot done at work. And, um, I don't know. I guess, I guess my cool of the week was that, uh, was that Super Bowl game, man, and the way that, the way that New England came back from, from certain doom there. Like, I'm still, still trying to figure out how the hell that happens. I know. It was, it was, it was crazy. I can't believe they came back. It was, that was an amazing game to watch. I, I found myself rooting for him, and I hate New England.

Right. Yeah. I've always been a man. I was blown away that whole second half. I'm like Atlanta, try to kick a field goal at least. I mean, come on. Something. Yeah, no kidding.

I believe at the point when I knew there was a serious problem, I think Atlanta was up 2820. And I just felt like when they had the ball, even though they was up, I felt like they was playing catch up. Yeah. And I was like, this is not good. Something's going on here, huh? Yeah.

And there was just times when I'm like, kick a field goal, go up at least three, you know? Especially I believe it, it was like 53 seconds left in the game and they punted. Yeah. And it was in field goal range. There was that one where they were in field goal range and then he got sacked a couple of times and lost 20 f in yards. Yeah. That was rough. I just completely didn't understand.

what they was doing in the second half. Well, you know, so many things had to happen just so, just exactly right. And every single one of them happened just exactly right for Brady and the Patriots. It was amazing. But, I mean, I guess my really cool of the week was, you know, I did my half marathon that I run in New Orleans every year. And I was very happy to say that my wife joined me and actually completed her first half marathon. Oh, congratulations. Yeah, I was awesome.

I was going to ask you about that. Very, very proud of her for that, man, because I know when she was at like the 10.5 mile mark, I know that she texted our daughter and said, I'm done. I hit the wall. I'm not going to be finishing. It's like, you've only got 3.1 miles to go. All that is is a 5K just push through, you know, and she did. She sure as hell did.

And then she was, we were both out on Bourbon Street that night. So she wasn't, she wasn't too bad off. Oh, that's awesome. So yeah, I mean, that's, hell, what more do you need in a week, right? There you go, man. That's a big week. All right, well, I guess it's time to see what's new out there in the world of horror movies, huh, Brian? Okay.

Quick upcoming Blu-ray updates. 1987's The Gate, starring young Stephen Dorff, one of my favorites from the 80s, is being released February 28th on Blu-ray for the first time. Oh, man. I remember this movie. I think I probably saw this in the theater like five or six times for some reason. Yeah, I really love this movie as a kid. I find myself watching it over and over. I kind of remember the second one.

But it wasn't as good. I don't know if I've ever seen it. You never seen The Gate? Not that I can remember. Yeah, I mean, watching it. I mean, I have like a, maybe I'm. I have like a bootleg copy of it. But watching it, the

effects do not hold up watching it, but I think if you haven't seen it then, you probably won't like it now because you probably won't have that like nostalgia feel for it. But oh, wait a minute.

Yeah, you've probably seen it. Oh, I've seen this. I remember the little demons. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. I remember that one. That was a good one. Right. Also, from Screen Factory, we are getting a double pack featuring 1971's Willard and 1972's Ben, the sequel. You guys ever check these out?

The movies with the rats? I've never seen the old one. I know they did a remake. Oh, with Chris McGovern. Oh, yes, that was cheesy, man. Yeah. That was pretty cheesy. I don't think I've seen the originals either, man.

Yeah, I'm not sure if I've seen Willett. I know I've seen Ben because I remember the whole deal with Michael Jackson doing the theme song back in the day. So we're getting that one May 16th from Scream Factory. All right. Okay. Our first news, a little bit of DC news. Ben Afflegg's dropped out of directing Batman. Oh, no.

And if you read the rumors, It sounds like he's possibly dropping out of doing the character. Oh, you've got to be kidding. This is really bad news for DC, I think. No kidding. He was, for me, he was kind of my saving grace for DC because I was excited to see him do a Batman movie. Yeah, I'm very worried for DC because I guess the same people that came out and said Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad had problems. I guess they've seen Wonder Woman and said it suffers from the same problems.

Oh, no. And then on top of that, the Flash still doesn't have a director. They haven't cast Green Lantern. Ryan Reynolds. I thought Ryan Reynolds was. Come on, man. That's got to be more fun than filming Deadpool, right? They got to come with a dump truck of money for that one.

Oh, yeah. There's going to be a really good joke about it in Deadpool, too. Yeah. Let's see. One more DC casting news for Aquaman. Anybody get a chance to see Netflix the get-down? No, I've heard a lot of good things about it, man. Yeah, there's an actor in there.

I apologize if I butcher your name. Yaya Abdul-Martine, the second. is cast as the villain Black Manta. Yeah, and also Nicole Kidman is cast as Aquaman's mother. Oh, boy. This is a lot of... A lot of people cast it in this movie. Well, it kind of does.

I don't know the actor's name. He's been cast at Aquaman's father. He was in the Star Wars prequels. He was Django Fet. Okay. You guys remember? He's like an Australian. or not an aborigine actor

but isn't he like from one of the islands or from Australia or something like that? Yeah, I think he's... Yeah, I believe so. Well, he makes kind of sense, but you can't get a whole lot wider than Nicole Kidman. Yeah.

I don't know. There's a lot of big casting for Aquaman, and this is out of all the movies. I don't even know if this one will be the one to get made because there's got to be a lot of underwater fighting scenes in this. And that's,

I don't know if they can really do that. And I heard people talk, like, maybe they should wait to see what James Cameron does with Avatar. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because a lot of the second movie is going to be underwater.

Is that really going to happen, though? I mean, is Avatar really going to happen? I believe it officially got a release date for next year set in stone. Really? Next year. That's right around the corner.

Don't quote me on that. It might be in 2019, but I believe I heard end of the year next year. All right, cool. So it's probably pretty much for sure. So let me ask you this, man. What leads you to believe or what did you hear that makes you think he may not play Batman? Just, I know originally, it doesn't surprise me about the directing because he had said before, the Batman movie was set in stone that he'll direct if it has a good script.

So obviously you're what I'm saying? Yeah. And I just kind of think he's a very hands-on person because even in the Batman v. Superman, I heard he was helping with the script and, you know, just, you know, you could tell he was very into playing Batman. Yeah. And I don't think he wants to do a shitty Batman movie because honestly, I mean, a lot of people say if Justice League fails, that's it.

I don't think Justice League will fail financially. It's possibility it might be a shitty movie. But I think if Batman doesn't happen, I think you're going to have to restart the whole thing. Yeah. Because he... Well, besides Wonder Woman... Any of them are...

Yeah, besides Wonder Woman, he was the best part of Batman B Superman. Oh, yeah, definitely. Well, any of them are going to make some money just because people are going to go see it. But, I mean, if they keep cranking out movies that are that are subpar, I mean, eventually, people are going to be like, all right, I'm done with DC. I mean, just look at The Amazing Spider-Man, too. That movie, I believe, made, like, between $8 to $900 million, and they scrapped the third one because of the bad rebutes.

Wow. Yeah, but, you know, it's amazing how much fucking money, suicide squad made. considered it wasn't really that great of a film. Yeah. It's like I said, we'll have to see. Hmm. You know, I'm out of, you know, I have to be honest, I was kind of a little bit looking forward to Wonder Woman more.

Yeah, I was too, actually. But, you know, I'm not going to go off of somebody saying they've seen it because possibly from a couple things I read, they might not even seen a finished version of the movie. True. Yeah. You know, we shall see. Okay.

Are you guys fans of the Highlander movie? Yeah, very much so. Oh, yeah. The John Wick director, Chad Stalski, is attached to direct the reboot. Hmm. And if everything works out that they are going to go, they're going to go try to make a trilogy of this.

Who's in it? They haven't casted. I've heard rumors. of Lance's favorite actor, Tom Cruise, possibly. But I don't think that'll happen. I don't think that'll happen. Well, you know, we thought he was going to suck

an interview of the vampire, but I thought he pulled that off pretty well. Yeah, I just, to me, to me, Tom Cruise and the Highlander it doesn't, it doesn't fit for me. Yeah, it is kind of off a little bit, you know? I mean, it's, it's definitely, going to be a challenge to find

somebody who's really good. Yeah. It seems like a part that he would probably want to play, though. Yeah, because he wants to be the only one. Yeah. But I do know Dave Batista's cast as the Kyrgyn. Okay.

And I can see that working. Hey, I will tell you this. I saw the, have you guys seen the extended trailer for the mummy? The one that's like two and a half minutes long? Uh, is this the one that they forgot to put the sound effects in and it's just him screaming? I don't know if it was that or not. I saw it at the theater, though, last week. I was, I was pretty impressed with it.

Oh, you guys have to. You guys have to check the one out that they, I guess they accidentally put a version of the trailer out without the music and the sound effects. Oh, no. And the scene in the plane where he's screaming, it is hilarious. Right. because that's all you hear is him screaming. You ever hear,

hear Tom Cruise scream? I'm sure that's on YouTube, huh? Yeah, it is. All right, I'll tell you. Oh, yeah. Okay. JJ Abrams and his bad robot company are making a World War II

horror movie called Overlord. Awesome. Huh, all right. Other Nazi mutants, I feel like or should be? I heard possibly zombies, possibly.

Okay. Right. Zons are Nazis. Yeah. I think the story I read about it kind of made me think of Dead Snow. Have you guys ever checked out those movies? Oh, yeah. I love that movie.

I don't see... I'm not sure if I've seen this. Oh, yeah, yeah. The second one's Red versus Dead, right? Where they have the Russian zombie fighting. Yeah, I have seen both of them. Those are a lot of fun, man. You're talking about...

Gory as hell, too, you know? Yeah, and it's going to be directed by Julius Avery. I'm not too familiar with anything he's done. Hmm. But a lot of, basically, I don't know if there's a lot of J.J. Abrams stuff that he's put out that I didn't really like. Right. Oh, yeah. And I know he's a big horror fan.

So I think this one's in good hands. And it sounds promising. Yeah, cool. It sounds that way, man. Okay, Jeepers Creepers, Three News. Gina Phillips, who played Justin Long's sister in the first one, is going to be the main focus of the third one. Okay.

Not a blind Justin Long? You never know. Never know. I didn't expect him to show up in the second one. Right. All right. Well, I'm not... Probably one they should have left along.

Yeah. Are there any little boys being auditioned by the director? Oh, yeah. That guy. I forgot about that. Like in creeps. It's like, look, we have a horror movie that came out, and it's almost decent. Let's make four more of them.

Terrible. Okay, our last news item comes from, I believe, a movie that was on all our top list. The Conjuring 2? Right. Oh, yeah. The Conjuring 2 spinoff movie The Nun has officially hired director Corrin Hardy as the director. And he's done a movie that it's on Netflix. I've heard a lot of good things about I haven't not seen it yet.

The Hollow. Oh. And he is also attached to the upcoming Crow reboot, which that's another movie. I don't even think it's ever going to give me. Right. Might be a good thing. They got a lot of faith in him for Consider he's only done like one direct-to-netflix movie, huh?

Yeah, I mean, I don't believe it was direct to Netflix. I think it was just an independent movie that's on Netflix now. Right. But I think earlier went through his filmography. Yeah, they're putting a lot of faith in him. I don't think he's really done too much anything. Right. As big as this.

Well, I mean, that's the trend right now in Hollywood Instead of getting these directors that have already made a name for themselves Because those guys, I guess, are getting to kind of just pick and choose whatever they want to do But it seems like for so many of these blockbusters, they're taking chances with these independent film directors That may only have one or two works to their name. And I think I kind of like that a little bit because it gives some new guys a chance to come out. I mean, look at Tom Brady, for example, you know? Nobody ever thought that dude was going to be a starter when he got drafted in, what, the fifth or six round or whatever?

Yeah. You know? Got to give some new blood a chance. I kind of like the concept, actually. Yeah, I can't think of recently. Not too many movies have failed with, you know, independent, not independent, but not too experienced directors doing them. The only one I could think of is Josh Trank when he's. he did Fantastic Four?

Yeah, well, we were... Oh, yeah. He was coming off. The only movie he had done was, what was it? What was the one Michael B. Jordan? Oh, you're talking about

where they get the superpowers? They found the meteorite in the cave or whatever. Oh, I never talked about it. I can't remember what that movie was called. It was actually pretty good. Yeah, that was the only movie he had done. And then he got hired to do

Fantastic Four and... Chronicle. Chronicle, yeah. All right. Besides that, I can't think of, I think pretty much a lot of these new directors have been successful. Because Fantastic Four is lame. Yeah. They need to give the rides back to Marvel. And Marvel, instead of doing a Fantastic Four movie, just insert them into the other movies.

Yeah, that makes sense. Much better. Yeah, because, yeah, they make a lot more. cameo characters than a whole movie characters. And I believe yep, that is all the news we have. All right, boys. Let's take

our weekly little trip down to the trailer park then. The first one we are going to talk about is Bates Motel Season 5. Little teaser trailer. Right. It's pretty interesting. I like the way it was filmed. Yeah, pretty much from what I see most of the original cast is returning with the addition of Rihanna playing

Marion Crane Yeah I am I have not watched the fourth season but I'm going to binge watch it because I'm kind of looking forward to this This looks like basically season 5 is going to be leading up to the psycho movie Right

That's what it sounds like I'm really interested to see how they handle that it might even include the psycho movie yeah i'm the way it plays out in my mind the majority of the seasons a prequel to psycho and the final episode will be the actual basically psycho movie condensed down into an episode really that would make that's how i that's how i see it in my mind i think that's the way that they should do it and it would probably get the best ratings that way yeah if not if not the last one, then maybe like the last two episodes be like a two-parter.

Yeah. If anything, I'm ready for this series to be over. That's not necessarily saying anything bad about it, because I watched probably the first two or three seasons of it. And, I mean, you know, we've talked about it a million times before. It's got its problems, but it's still a pretty decent show. It's not something I'm going to watch right now, but I definitely at some point in time, We'll watch it if they ended here. Yeah, I think you and Mia talked about basically we had the same problems as it's too much going on with what's going on in the town and other people.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I guess you can't just follow Norman Bates around the whole time. So they've got to throw some other stuff in to keep it interesting. But it seems a little scatterbrain sometimes. Right. And it's low on top of it. It's weird.

Yeah, we let's, what were you going to say? I was going to say, I watched the first episode And basically pretty much tapped out after that, man It was, to me, I just remembered the movie And it was just too fucking different, you know I mean, you've ever heard of Norman Bates with a cell phone And going around moping in school And he's got all these hot little girls liking him

And he's nothing but just kind of like a little Seemed like a little punk to me, you know? I mean, I guess I should have given him more of a chance but in this in this one he looked he looks he's starting to look like fucking norman bates in this yeah i like the character that plays him i really do i think he does a great job yeah for what i read uh he's supposed to be directing an episode or two this season oh okay interesting and i did not he looks like he's 12 yeah i did not know until someone told me he was uh charlie and charlie in the chocolate factory oh god oh that

one. Yeah. That was at least 10 years ago, so. Yeah. Not aging too fast, is he? It's a fucking horrible ass movie. So he's a British actor then? Yeah.

Oh, man. Wow. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it a chance if you guys say it's really great, but I mean, I mean, we know the end game. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's pretty much what they do to get there.

that's going to be interesting. Mm-hmm. Let me see. That one, episode one debuts February 20th. Okay. It's a lot of stuff

coming out in February. Yep. And let's move on to something that I think all three of us are excited for, Stranger Things 2. Oh, everybody was. It was a Super Bowl commercial.

Yeah, I was like, man. I was super excited for it because there was a lot of talk about this ad that was going to be run during the Super Bowl night because there's been a lot of talk about nobody knew actually when the season was going to debut and we kind of got the

answer it's going to come out on Halloween this year which I think is perfect. Very nice. Cast is pretty much all the cast is returning with the addition of Sean Astin and Paul Reiser is joining the cast. Deal.

directed by the Dufra brothers. And I am really looking forward to it. The only thing I kind of wish they kind of would have left 11 out of the little teaser. And I was like, yeah, because you. I was paying attention to the new monster. Yeah, you pretty much in the beginning, you got the, you know, the old school, ego waffle commercial. Yeah, that's what kind of threw me off.

I didn't realize what it was at first. But it immediately grabbed my attention. And then as soon as it went into the teaser, the first shot was 11 kind of opening her eyes. Mm-hmm. And I just really wish they would have just left that out. And then the kids in the Ghostbuster costumes? Yeah.

Yeah. But, yeah, I am definitely, I'm all in on this. Oh, yeah. Like you said, Lance with the monster, I believe it was the scene when one of the boys was looking out of the front door outside. you just saw it in the background. Yeah. I'm wondering.

They just kind of flashed it on there, but that was some craziness. Yeah, I'm wondering if that's the upside down, or is it the upside down in our world, like, merging into one? I don't know, you know, a lot of questions. A lot of questions. Can't wait, though. Why was the teaser? Yep. Again, October 31st this year.

Yeah, exciting stuff, man. Yeah, okay. moving on to our last trailer. Sorry for the confusion with the trailers. This one came out, and I did a little rearranging. The Black Coats daughter, starring Emma Roberts, Lucy Boyton, Karen Shipka, Lauren Hawley, and James Remar,

and many others. The reason why I threw this one in there, because it is directed by Oz Perkins, son of Anthony Perkins. Really? Yes. Wow. I have no idea. Yeah. I have not seen his previous movie.

His previous movie is actually a Netflix exclusive. It is called I Am the Pretty Thing That Lives in the House. I haven't seen that one yet, man. That's in my TV, though. Yeah, I believe Ammon over at the Benchcast. I believe I heard him give a quick little review. And he said it's not a bad movie. Yeah, I want to check that.

a little bit of a slow burn. And, yeah, this movie kind of looks like a slow burn also. I kind of got a... I don't know. I don't know if you guys will agree with this. I kind of got a modern day version of what we got with the witch. Because it seems like these girls might be witches. You know what?

It's funny you should say that because I got to... I don't think this is accurate because I think it's a different concept or whatever than what I'm thinking, but I got a flashback to that 90s movie called The Craft. Okay. You know, so that's kind of in the same vein, so Yeah, but a little... Could be good.

You know what, now that you're saying that, I kind of, I kind of think you're right. A more kind of darker take on that. Yeah, I think you're right on the money there. It looks interesting. Like you say, man, it does look like a slow burn. Yeah. You know, I like Emma Roberts. She, she kind of grabbed me out of the preview. But, and I'm totally going to watch the movie because it looks like a cool slow burn kind of movie.

But I got to say, man, the trailer didn't grab me at all. Like, I had a hard time paying attention to it. Yeah, I kind of had the opposite. I kind of felt like they didn't, they didn't want to give away too much. So it kind of has me looking more forward to the movie. Because maybe the, maybe the something they really don't want to give away. And I'm really looking forward to it. And this is also how they released

the girl with all the gifts to direct TV. This is also going to be a straight to direct TV. Oh, okay. February 16th. Oh. That's cool. Yeah, I was actually just going to ask you, is it a direct to Netflix?

I guess you answered that question. Yeah, I think from what I've read, somewhere, DirecTV is starting to get into what Netflix is doing. They're going to start having more like, kind of like earlier, or not earlier this year, last year when the monster came out. I believe that was a direct TV exclusive before it was released anywhere else. Okay, so let me.

I got to do something to try to keep up with Internet. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this, though. So does that mean that it's going to be, like if you have, if you have direct TV anyways, is it going to be free? Are you still going to have to pay to rent it? You're probably going to have to pay. Hmm. Okay.

That would be nice, though. I was about to say, so what's the big advantage, you know? I mean, how's that really helping to play TV with their brand? Yeah, I don't know. It's a before theater release, because the girl with all the gifts is supposed to be released in some theaters, too, I believe. Okay. Yeah, I think it's kind of like how Red Box advertises you can rent movies. there before Netflix gets it type of deal.

All right, fair enough. I don't know how thrilled I'm going to be to spend extra money. I'm already paying for the correct TV. I expect to get more of a benefit from that, I guess. But real quick, have you guys heard about this thing that they're talking about doing how movies that are released in a theater? After like two weeks, they're going to have it available to rent. on TV. Have you guys heard about this? You mentioned something about it a few weeks back, but I thought you said they were going to do it like concurrently or something.

Yeah, I haven't heard. Ever since I read about it, I just haven't heard too much. I don't know if that was just an idea thrown out there and it wasn't a serious thing. Right. Yeah, but the last I heard, they were going to charge like 50 bucks or something ridiculous to watch it. Oh, shit. Like pay-per-view, huh? Like a, like a WWE event.

Yeah, that's not going to happen, brother. You just need the WWE network for $999. Yeah, there you give. Damn. Simple as that. Yeah. Where were we? Yeah, February 16th, the Black Coats daughter.

And that was our last trailer. All right, cool. So, Phillip, we get any listener feedback this week? Yeah, I'm going to go over a couple things first, though. Speaking of the WWE, We got the nature boy, Rick Flair, coming to Texas Frightmare weekend. No way. With Jesus from the Walking Dead.

I knew he was going to be there. I didn't know Rick Flair was going to be there, man. Rick Flair is our newest edition. I know. Is that crazy? I don't know why Rick Flair is there, but I'm excited about it. I thought that was pretty cool. Right. You know, along with the cast from 31,

a lot of the cash from Stranger Things 11 The Kid with the Tooth is going to be there Oh yeah Sting is going to be there Another wrestler Let's see Who else were you really excited about meeting Lance

Oh Keith David Keith David Yeah that was going to be a big one And Malcolm McDowell is going to be there Oh yeah That's absolutely That's right I've got to I got to get my

I got to get my clockwork orange poster signed. Oh, yeah. Should you go dressed up? Yeah, those are the two big. That's actually not a bad idea. Yeah. That is actually not a bad idea at all, man.

Oh, what did I do? Well, I mean, we got three days of the event, so I know we're going to wear our horror returns gear at least one day, you know? Oh, yeah, absolutely. But that leaves two other days, man. All right, well, May 5th. six and seventh. Come check it out.

It's in Dallas. And we're going to have a good time, man. Lathan, I'll be there. Kevin said he'd meet us over there too. Let's see. Kevin's going to be there for sure. Brian, you got any chance of doing an express flight from Alaska to Texas? You know, I wasn't trying to say nothing, but I'm trying, I'm currently trying to work it out right now.

What? Yeah. It's a long way to go, man. Yeah, I'm not saying yes, but I'm trying to work something out. So it's a possibility. All right, all right. It's going to be a big event. And then let's see.

We got on our Facebook page. Our buddy Patrick Lear sent one to us. He sent us some breaking news about the Friday of the 13th reboot, and it is yanked from Paramount schedule. Not too upset about that one. Yeah. probably not the worst thing in the world. You know, but it kind of bums me out because this is something I was kind of looking forward to,

but at the same time, if it's been pulled completely canceled, then there must have been some serious problems with the script. Well, I'm sure. I mean, how many campers can you kill, really? Yeah, but it was probably that stupid origin story thing that was trying to do with bringing in his father and all that stupid shit. Oh, boy. Yeah.

Yeah, just have him kill campers in interesting ways. That's all I need. Well, how it stayed alive for so long. Well, at least we have the video game to look forward to. Well, that's true. But that's about it for listener feedback this week. As always, you can reach us on our Facebook page, your pod bean, or email us at Zorn.

horror returns at gmail.com. Or just look up the horror returns at any of the other social media things. And we're there. We'll find you. Cool. Yeah. And speaking of email, Philip, there is one other thing I need to, I guess, cover with you that we could talk about next week. But we may be doing an exclusive interview with a writer and director who's got a film that's, he's got going through Kickstarter.

that he reached out to us through email. I wanted you guys to kind of look at that and see what you think about it. But it might be a nice thing to add to the show. And maybe we could even get an advanced screener or something like that and cover the movie as well. Cool. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That would be awesome.

Cool. All right. Look at it. We're big time. You guys ready to move on to feature? Let's do it. All right. So this week we are exploring the world of the ring.

or Ringu, as they originally called it in Japan, which I think we want to talk a little bit about that movie. Brian, you've seen that one, right? Ringu, the original. Yeah, I actually didn't get a chance to rewatch it. Okay. So I can't really speak on it. It's been a while since I've seen it. But you've seen it before. Yeah.

I've never seen Ringu or whatever. Yeah, those are decent movies, especially. Actually, I can't believe... What is the other one? The Grudge? Yeah, those are good, too. I haven't checked out the one where they're going against each other. I forgot what it's called.

I believe if... Oh, Ring versus the Grudge or whatever? Yeah, I've actually heard pretty good things about it. And I heard the whole... The whole way they actually come together, I heard was done pretty good. Mm-hmm. And if anybody subscribes to Shutter,

it's streaming site for horror movies. It's only like $4.95. Man, that's pretty, they got a lot of good movies on there. That's less than the price of one rental. Yep. I expect. And it is, uh, check that out.

It is, I believe exclusively, uh, released on there. Oh, cool. But I do apologize. I was meaning to rewatch Ringu so I can give a proper review, but it's been so long since I've seen it. Do you remember how it compares to the original The Ring, though? No, honestly. Oh, man.

Yeah, I was curious if they changed the story up, any. Yeah, I kind of was, too. I've always been a little afraid to watch it because I actually really like the Ring. Right. Yeah. if you really like the ring then don't watch the sequel because

I know I'm definitely not watching the sequel I did get that one in and my gosh if that movie came out this year a spoiler alert for my top five worst

oh it would be in there huh yes it yeah It looked like it was pretty awful. I may have even seen it at some point in time and just blocked it from my mind because I didn't I didn't want to be subject to the horror.

Yeah, it makes no sense from where the first one goes. And then there was a lot of horrible CGI work at like really, really bad. Oh, I remember. Yeah, I have seen it. I did block it from my mind. Let's not talk about that one.

Yeah. That always takes me. out of it, man. But this original all right, well, we'll cover the original American version then. It came out in 2002, directed by Gore Verbenzky, also known for multiple Pirates

of the Caribbean movies, as well as the upcoming A Cure for Wellness. Oh, nice. The writer was Aaron Kruger, also known for Scream 3, the skeleton key, and your favorite Brian the Ring 2. Yay.

Long before the movie premiered, the Killer video was used as a commercial. The commercial did not mention any movie for nearly a month. That's kind of creepy. That is super creepy. That's awesome. That is advertising right there. Probably not the most effective form, but...

The success of the ring. So maybe it was effective, dude. At the box office, paved the way for several more American remakes of Japanese horror films, including The Grudge in 2004, Dark Water in 2005, Pulse in 2006, and one missed call in 2008. And final piece of trivia, Jennifer Love Hewitt, was originally offered the role of Rachel Keller but turned it down.

And the movie's probably better as a result. So, Philip, you said you liked this one quite a bit. You want to go first? Yeah, this is the one that kind of started the whole. whole Japanese thing. And if you don't know whether it's Japanese or not, usually the, the, the, the ghost is a small Japanese character. Then it's a Japanese movie. Right. But, uh, very dark, very dark. Yeah, very, very super creepy and usually painted white. There you go. Uh, but no, I think it was, uh, it was a cool slow burn. It was really creepy through the whole movie. I like that they have this, uh, it was, it was almost a suspense thriller on top. of being a horror movie

because they had to go and do this investigation to find out the whole backstory of everything and I like how you start out knowing basically as much as the main character I also like how they opened the movie by the way

where they did it where it was a little more a lighthearted atmosphere and then with the two girls at home by themselves or whatever and it was the seventh day and it killed that one of the teenage girls. And so that really set a cool tone for the movie. Plus, it was, I think, the only time where they had that lighthearted atmosphere.

After that, it was all intent. It was all whole movie. And I like the way that they wrapped it up. I like the way that they ended it. This was a pretty solid movie for me, man. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I thought this was definitely, far and away the best of the

of the Japanese Americanized remakes like I don't even really I mean obviously I remember the grudge and all that but I don't really remember dark water too much I mean I vaguely remember it had something to do with a was it like a sewer

or like some kind I mean do you guys even remember any details of dark water? That one falls into that mix of you know the darkness and all those other Don't say that. Well, you know, all those other dark-named movies, you know?

Right. I'm looking at it right now. I know I've seen it in the theater, and it came out in 2005, and that was the only time I've seen it, and I'm looking at the cast list. The only one I remember that was in it was Jennifer Conley. Right, right, right. But according to the cast list, Tim Roth and John C. Riley were in the movie. Yeah, I was just about to say, what an incredible cast, man,

and for us not to remember the movie. To not remember them. I remember the movie, but it wasn't, like I said, it definitely doesn't stand out. It still falls into that same category. Yeah, I do, I do remember Pulse. I do remember that one. That was the photographer, right? No, that was a, something, Shutter, something.

Yeah. Yeah, Pulse was with the, it was kind of a paranormal world coming through. like electricity or something okay and I remember in the movie they were like unplugging everything and taping up all the outlets and all kinds of stuff like that and

basically they were trying they were trying to come to our world from the other side through all these like electronic yeah even talking about this stuff is not really jogging my memory man those those kind of blend it the wayside to me yeah again

looking at the postcast list I had Kristen and bell in it. Mm-hmm. I don't remember a lot of these movies. Well, there's probably a reason we don't. You know, but I mean, that's back to my original point. I thought, and I don't really know if I've seen the ring two either. So this is really the only one that I remember, you know, out of the bunch.

And it was the video that they put in was super creepy. The concept, the concept was really neat because it's like, you know, if somebody puts it in, like, say your kid grabs it, right, and puts it. it in the DVR and you walk in on them and they're watching the movie, you're like, holy shit, now what do I do? Right, and the creepy kid in the movie is super creepy. Definitely, and there's like, once you see it,

there's no way to unsee it. Which one? Her son? Because that little shit's creepy too. It's creepy as hell, right? Can I say I would never allow any of my kids to call me by my first name? Oh, I know, right? Well, that was added to the

creepiness because you're like, what is the matter with this kid? Right. Yeah, it was a very, it was a very good movie compared to all the ones that came after it. So, you know, I think a lot of it was probably the acting. I mean, you know, Naomi Watts was pretty new then. I don't think she'd done a lot of big roles at that point. You know, I didn't know her too well. I didn't even realize it until I rewatched it that Amber Tamblin was in it.

And did you guys realize that there was a very young Adam Brody? that played like a super small role in it. I saw it. Yeah, I saw it when I watched it this time. I was like, oh, hey, I know that guy. Yes, I mean, obviously, this movie paved the way. I think it got the creep factor good. I love the resolution at the end.

That's why I don't know why they needed a ring two, because they pretty much tied everything together, so I'm not quite sure where they would have gone from there. But, yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Let me say this about Ring 2. The general point of the movie kind of happens in the new movie of what was trying to get a car. Before, I don't want to get into the rings. But basically, the plot of the second movie is kind of similar to what's going on in the new one.

So basically. They just get a better job of it in the new one? Yeah, basically, they could have just, for anybody out there, you know, if you like the ring two, that's fine. but I would go from watching the ring to the movie. It's terrible. Go back. Tell the truth, man. Come on.

Don't watch the ring, too. So what did you like? What did you think about the ring, Brian? I'm sure you enjoyed it, right? Are you in agreement that it was kind of like the best of the bunch? Absolutely. I mean, I do like the grudge because there's a lot of creepy shit in the movie. Yeah, I like the grudge.

As far as the whole J-horror genre, I believe this is by far the best one. There's a reason that spawned those movies. It was kind of like Blair Witch. Oh, yeah, for sure. One of the things I liked is you didn't necessarily see her do it. What was their name? Samara. Oh, yeah.

You basically, you didn't see what she was doing to people. Mm-hmm. And it was still effective. You might have got a glimpse of what they look like after, but it worked. You didn't really have to see her actually physically do anything to anybody. And it was just creepy as shit. The images alone on that video were creepy. But at the same time, like, you know, when you watch it, there are clues to certain things, you know, which, you know, led to the end of the movie.

And I thought that was pretty good. Naomi Watts was excellent in this movie she was also good in the second one but you know we talked about that one too much

both kids to me were creepy because I believe his name was Noah in the movie he just looked like a creepy little child like politician or I don't know his hair was always perfectly parted and he just had this creepy like no expression.

Yeah. And to me, he was definitely creepy. Yeah, to me. He could have played Damien, no problem, huh? Oh, yeah, absolutely. He probably could have. And to me, when you get kids

right in a horror movie like that, they can be really scary. Yeah, no doubt. What did you guys think about Brian Cox? He's always, I mean, he had a very small part in this movie. Yeah, but he's solid. I mean, it was a small part, but it was shocking, to say the least.

Right. But, yeah, Brian Cox is always, he's a phenomenal actor, and, you know, we just seen him in the autopsy of Jane Doe. Yeah. I think you needed him in this movie. Yeah, I kind of wish he would do more genre movies like this. Oh, yeah. I think we may see him in more, man. I've just got that feeling, you know.

They're probably going to pay some money for him. He's a pretty good actor. I don't know, man. I don't think he demanded too much to do the autopsy of Jane Doe. Well, yeah, I'm sure it didn't. It seemed like it was kind of like a labor of love. That's what makes me hopeful that maybe he's getting to be where he wants to be in more of those kind of movies, you know?

Yeah, he might be at that age where he's just doing. Doing what he wants to do, right? Yeah, regardless of if it's, I ain't going to say he's just going to do bad movies, but, you know, if it's a project he wants to do, then I think no matter what the cost is. Well, don't tell me, now he's not in the ring too, is he? Did they go that far? Because that would make no sense.

But it would have improved the movie, though. Okay. I'm sure. All right, you guys ready for scores? Yeah. Yeah. I'll go first. I'm going to give it an 8.5.

Damn. Yeah, I think this movie was pretty iconic, and it definitely belongs in the new horror classics. Yeah, I'll give it a strong seven. You know, I really enjoyed it quite a bit. My favorite part of the whole thing was the video. You know, I thought if they could have, you know, and of course they, you know, if they focused on it too much,

it probably would have given too much away, and it would have, like, become overkill after a while. but I also like the ending. I like the way they resolved everything and tied it up and obviously did not need a ring too based on the ending of this movie. So I thought it was a well-directed, well-made movie. And yeah, Naomi Watts was,

consider she hadn't done a whole lot by then. I think this was kind of one of the movies that has made her as popular as she's become. So yeah, I give it a set. Actually, you know what? You know what? I'll give it a 7.5. I'll give it an extra half-point.

now that I think about how creepy that video was. The only thing that I didn't like quite as much was the monster. I thought they could have done a little better job, but I mean, this was made in 2002, so, you know, it is what it is. I kind of like that they had her. Like you said, you know, when she doesn't,

you don't really see her doing anything. And I think it's that part that leads it to that imagination that makes it good, which is what I like what they did with the ending of it. And I think, yeah, making a sequel just kind of screwed that up. Okay, I am going to give it a solid eight. I think out of that decade, the 2000s,

I think this is up there, definitely in the top ten of horror movies. Right. And I think the character of Samara, I think it's pretty much reached that iconic status because everybody knows that character. Yeah. If you don't immediately know her by name,

you know what she looks like. Yeah. There are so many, like, parody videos of, you know, people dressing up like her scaring people. And recently, I don't know if you guys seen, they did one for the new movie at a TV store. Oh, yeah, I did see that. Yeah, that was pretty funny. Hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, Naomi Watts was excellent. You know, the little kid, I'm not too big on kids and, you know, acting wise in movies. Because they can be hit or miss. but I thought he did what he needed to do to be a creepy little shit. And, yeah, a solid eight for me. Cool. Well, we all enjoyed it for sure. So let's see what we think about the new one.

And this one's going to be you two guys, because I did not get out to see with everything going on and the marathon and everything. Didn't make it out to see rings, but I'm definitely interested in what you guys think. It was directed by F. Javier Gitterez, also known for before the fall. Never heard of that.

Have you guys? Nope. That's familiar. Another one of those indie guys that got a pretty, pretty big, you know, mainstream movie to direct here, it looks like. Derriders were, or der riders, the writers were David Luca, Jacob Estes, and Akiva Goldsman. So, I don't know, when you get three or more riders on a screenplay, it always makes me nervous. but it is what it is. So this is the first film in the series

that the makeup effects were not done by Rick Baker, who had the previous two. Rick retired from the industry in early 2015 and left his studio, sentivation to his protege Arjun Tutin, who had worked with him on Maleficent. This movie, another warning sign, guys. This movie was originally set for release in November 2015

and was pushed back several times due to studio delays. And final piece of trivia, according to special makeup effects designer on the film, the previously mentioned Argent Tutin, took about six and a half hours to complete Samara's makeup, and her costume featured a water rig under the dress that allowed the character to constantly drip water.

So who wants to talk first about rings, guys? I'll go first. Initially, when I first, first watched this movie how it started, I thought this movie was going to be stupid as hell. Me too. But when you... I was so worried. When they finally got into the actual story.

Right. And the way, because I was wondering how they were going to do this with the videotape, especially nowadays. Right. I thought it was clever And there was a I didn't know Johnny Galecki was in this movie Yeah I didn't either

I didn't know a couple people were in this movie Yeah It actually It actually started looking up from there Oh yeah I like what they tried to do Story-wise The acting wasn't too bad

I thought it was okay For the most part But you know I mean there's some We'll get in to it later, but the bigger name actors did fine. The ones you did know were okay.

I did like the newer effects on Samar. They look more up to date. Because I probably didn't even say that in the original one. I think her overall effects and makeup, I think it kind of looked better than the original. Honestly. Yeah. And

with that being said, this was a it was okay um like i said judging or going from off that opening part of the movie i was really worried and then it turned out to be a pretty okay movie yeah man i'm kind of kind of hit right on par with you i think uh it was really okay is it probably the best way to describe it because you're right man that that opening scene was awful the acting was terrible it was the whole there was nothing about it it was good and i was thinking oh no we are in trouble because they kind of did the same thing as the first one where they started that the first scene is it has nothing to do with the rest of the movie. Yeah, they could have just cut that whole first scene out of the movie.

Yeah. I mean, I get it. It kind of sets the tone, but man, it set a bad tone because I was worried. Yeah. Now that I'm thinking about it, they would have just cut that out and just went and started it when you got Johnny Galecki's character. Right. I think it would have been better for it. It would have been better for me.

Yeah, me too. Yeah. I like that Johnny Gilecki was in it. I think that he did great. Can I say who else was in it? Is that a spoiler? He was in the trailer, so. Okay, so Vincent Dinoffrio is in it.

And everything, I love that dude. Everything that he does is gold in this movie. And I love all his parts. The main kid is some good-looking, bushy eyebrows. dude, I've seen him a couple times somewhere else and he did all right. You know, young heartth guy. And then the chick that was in the movie

had this weird little lisp which was kind of annoying sometimes but kind of cute in others, you know? So I think she sort of gets away with it. I think she did a pretty good job too. Pulled it on. Yeah, I thought it was pretty solid. They kind of followed the blueprint

of the first one. and sort of did the same type of thing, which kept you interested, kept you guessing what was next. I did not like the ending. I thought that was terrible. I thought the special effects on Samarro, there's one scene where she has like the snow from, you know, like if you have a channel that's not on and you got snow on the TV,

she's got that all over her body and I feel like that sort of took away from the makeup that they did on her because I thought the makeup was really good but putting that digital effect on top of it kind of threw it off a little for me other than that yeah I mean it was

it was pretty okay it was the best okay movie they can do yeah anything else you guys want to talk about before ratings well I'm looking at the budget compared to the original one because the original was $48 million budget and the new one's

only a $25 million. I think off of what they what they had to work with, I think they did a pretty good job with what they had to work with comparing, you know, you go from almost a $50 million budget to half that. Yeah, no kidding. Especially since a lot of that budget was probably wasted on that first trash scene. Oh, gosh. the most useless scene ever

I thought it was so stupid it was in the previews where they're on the plane you remember yeah I remember something about they were watching like an in-flight movie or something like that don't tell me it showed up in the end flight movie Lance let me let me just say that

that was the first scene in the movie Lance I'm not going to spoil it for you but as soon as this scene was playing it just have me rolling my eyes and just like totally, totally not interested in the movie. Yeah, me too. I was like, what did I get myself into?

I can't believe I saw this. Okay, let's let's give ratings and then getting the spoilers in. All right. Okay. Let me say, oh my gosh, I don't even know. It's hard.

I'm going to give it a five. It was right there in the middle. Middle of the one. There was a good idea in here. I like what they tried to do. do. I like, I like that they try to update the whole

watching of the videotape and most of the acting was fine. Vincent Donofrio, you know, he was, of course he's Vincent Donofrio, you know, he's, he's, he's pretty good. He's the wizard. Yeah, he's the kingpin.

He's, yeah. But overall, there was, there was a lot of useless shit in this movie. And maybe there was a rip-off from another movie then I'm going to get into spoilers. Oh, that'll be fun. So I'm going to give it a five.

It was, like I said earlier, it was the best okay movie they can do with now looking at the budget with what they had to work with. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm going to give it a five and a half. I almost might give it a little more if it hadn't been attached to the ring. Because I think there was a very good movie in here somewhere. I just, I think that, you know, the beginning it started off a little rough, and then I didn't, I didn't like what they did with the end of it. Aside from that, man, it was, it was pretty solid. It was, it's, it's worth watching.

I don't know if it's worth going to the theater to see it, but if it pops up on DOD or Netflix or something, then definitely check it out. Yeah, it's, it's definitely a rental, I would say. All right, I'll check it out, but like I said, if you guys ready to go into spoilers, I'm going to stick around, because it's not like my most anticipated movie of 2017 or anything. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking. Okay. What I was alluding to earlier, the ripoff, there is a blatant don't breathe ripoff moment in this movie with Vincent Denouc. was he blind character he's a blind character he's a blind character and then there's there there is a there is a chase basically throughout the house where he turns the lights off and i was waiting for him to say now you'll see what i see oh no

um see and that didn't even click i don't know why it didn't but yeah that was a pretty blatant rip off and philip i'm right there with you on the ending it was terrible wasn't it was definitely them, their attempt for more ring movies basically. And, you know, that's kind of what the first one did, where they left it very open-ended like that, you know?

Oh, she's dead. Or is she? But, but yeah, this one's more blatant. Yeah, it was more blatant and it was kind of obnoxious, I thought. So from now on, is she not Samara no more? Is she

Julia? I guess. though, because she's the new bad guy. I like that they had kind of a different ring movie in this one that they were following the plot line on. Yeah, it was basically

updated. Basically, you know how she leaves clues throughout the video. There was more scenes to the video. I like that. I like the whole I thought with Johnny Galecky's character was doing was pretty fucked up his little experiment

yeah but it was creative I like it as far as the movie plot goes that that that was a cooler idea than I thought it was going to be yeah because he yeah I mean he tried to redeem himself but to me he was a scumbag throughout this movie oh yeah totally

totally scumbag but yeah I just I can't like I said if that fucking whole opening scene Lance basically in the trailer you got the beginning and the end of this movie in the trailer. All right. So you might have just seen the movie actually. I haven't seen it then, huh?

Yeah. But I... Except it was the worst part of the movie. Yes. I was really wanting Julia to be somehow related to Samara. I thought that's what they were going with. I thought that's what they were going with too. And I think it would have made more sense and tied it together.

a little more instead of just random. Yeah. Now I'm thinking it was a little confusing because wasn't she having dreams and visions or something earlier? Before she ever watched their movie. Yeah, and it made no sense, really.

And you're right, if they would have had some kind of tie in with her and Samar, or maybe somebody she was, any, some kind of relation, then maybe it would have made more sense. But, oh. I like,

I liked Donafrio's character, that preacher. Yes. I like the story behind him. I like everything that he did with that. That was a great character. Yeah, because I didn't see that reveal coming. Yeah, I didn't either. Who he was.

I thought he was just some blind guy that just had too much information about something. But, yeah, there's not really too much to say about this movie. the beginning was stupid, the end was stupid, the middle was all right. Yeah. It was just, they investigated the new video and found some more passed up about Samara. Yeah.

And, yeah, I don't really have too much to say about it. I don't necessarily, looking at the box office, I don't think, if this gets another one, it'll probably be not released in the theaters. Oh yeah, not at all I was I mean, granted I was there at like 10.30 in the morning

It was the first show And it was just You know, that was the day I had the opportunity to go see it Yeah, I went There was like Two other people in the theater Yeah, I went to a Thursday

Midnight showing And the theater was packed And really? It was silent throughout the movie That's a bad sign Yeah Well, that's okay though Because that means people are into it

At least they're not talking Oh, I didn't even hear anybody do any, like, ridiculous jump, jump scare. Oh, no gas. Yeah, just quiet. Well, you didn't, at least you didn't hear any snoring or anything, did you? No. That would have made it worse.

My wife has done that. But, yeah, it, it didn't even beat, a split beat out this movie for a third straight week at number one, so. Good. It splits three times better than them. Yeah, so. Yeah. with with all they put into that ending i think it was a waste of time because i don't want to i think it should be over here but they like we said earlier they blatantly just

trying to tell you they want to do more ring movies right and i kind of want to know how does that with that ending how the video got uploaded to the guys um i believe his uh email list or whatever just went out to everybody? How does that work? How does Samara supposed to be there at all these different places? I don't know.

She's going to find something out. And then, well, because Julie is the new one now, maybe she's just going to keep reproducing herself and making a bunch of different creepy ring girls. Yeah, so stupid. I don't want to go back on my

rating now, but I'm going to leave it battle five. Yeah. Yeah, I wish they had they had shut it down instead of leaving it open-ended. Did Gore-Varvinsky have anything to do with this one? I don't think so. I didn't see his name anywhere in it, except I think he got, he got like a credit. I don't even think he was a producer. I think he got a writing credit from, like, no, I'm sorry, he didn't get a writing credit from the original idea, because he's not the guy who wrote the story. He just directed it.

I think he stayed very far away from this one. Good, because I am super hype for a cure for wellness. Oh, man, you're the only one. Yeah, I finally saw a good preview of that one, and it definitely looks awesome. Yeah, I'm totally glad he had nothing to do with this movie. Yeah, and I don't think he had anything to do with the ring, too, either. You'll be happy to know. Oh, good.

Yeah, keep you. Keep your sanity there. Yeah, I think we're all super excited about that one. As well as the movie for next week, I think we're all pretty excited about that one as well. Oh, I've been going through action movies like crazy. I am super... Oh, this is the John Wick one, right? John Wick.

You got it, man. Yeah, awesome. Okay, cool. What are we doing, John Wick and the new one? Camino, I think. Yeah, I wanted to keep... Oh, Camando, that's right. Yeah, I wanted to keep it old school.

I tried to think, watching the trailer is basically John Wick just killing a bunch of people. And the first old school movie that came to my head was Arnold in Commando, because he basically takes on an island in that movie. Yep. An Army of One. Although he had some people helping him at first. Some of them make it and some of them don't if I remember. I'm looking forward to seeing that one again.

Isn't this the one? They didn't get through Zetapa. Yeah, yeah. This is the one where his daughter gets kidnapped, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I can't wait. Yeah, it's one of his classic lines in this, when he kills the one dude with the pipe.

Right. He says, let off some steam benning. That's right. Oh, man. Oh, there's a lot of good stuff. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. And if the schedules work out, we're going to have a guest on with us, Jack again, who did the Suicide Squad film with us.

Oh, awesome. Plus, he's flying high from that Patriots win, huh? Oh, yeah, big time, man. All right, were you guys ready to wrap it up? Let's wrap it up. Yeah, man. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. And come on, guys, we need more feedback.

I think it's time for another contest, because I've got a whole box of Horror Returns T-shirts in here in every conceivable size. I want to give a quick apology to Robert Anthony Richard. Oh, yeah? I just mailed out his prize today. Oh, Freddie? Yeah, I just seen it by my laptop, and I just realized I swore I sent it out. So that is on the way today. It's coming from Alaska.

It takes a minute. Yes. Why don't we do this, guys, because not everybody has iTunes, so why don't we say that for the month of February, if you'll give us a, put in one five-star iTunes review and or send us an email and teach us something we don't already know in the email, like tell us about something big that's coming out

or give us an update, then we will pick a name for Horror Returns T-shirt. Sound good? Cool. And also you could actually follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Twitter, Instagram and Podbean, just do a search for the horror returns. Also look for us on iTunes.

As we just mentioned, be sure to rate us and review us. And next week, as we said, we will be reviewing John Wick 2 as well as Commando. Hopefully with a special guest. So until the horror returns again, good. Buenos noches.