The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #363: The Year In Horror 1990, Part 1 - Nightbreed & Graveyard Shift

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

This week we are joined by Erin and Kevin from The Podcast That Wouldn't Die to talk about a few 1990 classics...Or not...? We cover Nightbreed and Graveyard Shift. Cool of the Week includes The Devil's Rain, The Bogeyman trailer, Dungeons and Dragons, The Mandela Effect, From, and The Sandman. Trailer is Dune 2. We shine the podcast spotlight on Gag Me With a Chainsaw. We get feedback from Drunk With Buds, Halloween is Forever, RF Jacque, Patrick Martin, Xim Vader, and Salem's Cellar. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I'm Lance and with me as always are my co-host, Philip and Brian. And tonight we got a couple of special guests in the house. It's from the podcast that wouldn't die. It's Aaron and Kevin. What's up, guys? How's it going? How are you all? Just dandy.

It's a Monday. I've been like hit by a train. Well, Brian is our social media guy. and Brian, tell us how you found out about the podcast that wouldn't die. I think originally, of course, like most podcasts, I find out through Don Nellie, posted your guys a show. I took a listen to it, and you guys have a fantastic show. Awesome name for a podcast. I don't know if I ever told you guys that, but it's good to finally have you on.

Thank you. Thank you for having us. Thanks for being here. So you guys cover a lot of really like only classic top tier A24 type films, right? Nothing but the best. Absolutely.

Great Poupon. Give the listeners a little idea what to expect. On the podcast of Wouldn't Die, we discuss guilty pleasures and forgotten classics of the horror and sci-fi genres with a comedic twist, we hope. I mean, that's the goal. So, good times.

A little tipper on our podcast. If we spend the first 20 minutes talking about something else, that means we're not super excited about what's about to fall off. Oh, you guys will. Behind the curtain. You'll fit in on this show. Oh, yeah. No, it's usually an hour before we ever even get to the freaking movies.

At least. We're hanging out and screwing around. This is guy time. So what do you guys have coming up? What are the net, or can you give us a little, you know, idea of the next couple of films. I can do that. I believe our next couple of films are going to be graveyard shift and followed by

night free. Okay. There you go. We don't want to leave anything on the bone is basically what it is. I get it. I totally get it. All right. Well, I think I heard you just do Warlock a couple of weeks back, right?

Oh, poor Warlock. He's still out there in the wilderness somewhere. Oh. Poor Julian Sands. The Fah's coming, though. they're going to find them. All right. Well, I don't know if you guys have checked at anything this week that's like

particularly awesome or intriguing. But we're ready for our segment we call Cool of the Week. So it can be a movie, TV show. We've had video games. What else have we had? Brian, concerts. Books. Yeah.

And if you've seen something that is just completely horrible and you want to tell people not to watch it, by all means, go ahead. Or make fun of it, which is usually called the Not So Cool of the Week. Coined by Ryan. Who's going first, guests? Who wants to jump in first? I'll go first.

I am halfway through the devil's reign with William Shatner, Ernest Morgonai, Tom Scarrett. Okay. Dude, why aren't we recording that? I totally remember that. They're all like melting candles by the end. Right.

It's the devil's rain. That's what happens. Don't these people learn anything when you make the pact, you always end up like a melted crayon at the end. Yes, the way it works. Or if you're a Nazi. Or a Nazi. That's true as well. And this was at that dark period of William Shatner's career, just after Star Trek the series, but before Star Trek the movies. So it was just, I just got to pay my bills.

Right. Where's T.J. Hooker cover? in with all that. Oh, that's later. That's a golden age of chat. He's like 90-something years old. He's still kicking around. He is. He's totally with it. It's amazing.

Even went to space. Yeah. He did. I think he's got a new thing coming out. Oh, sweet Jesus. What could it possibly be? I hope it's an album. I hope it's an album.

Moken Word. Leonard Nimoy certainly did a lot of great albums. Shatler does Nimoy. There you go. Let her, Nimoy did like the ballad of Bilbo Baggins or something?

Billbo Baggins, absolutely. Good Lord. What is happening? It's chaos. That's it. All right, so the devil's rain. Aaron, what's on your cool of the week?

I was at the theater. because my son forced me at gunpoint to go see dungeons and dragons. But I saw that the boogeyman is coming out, which is Stephen King, which is a short story from the same book that Graveyard Shift is from. And Children of the Corn and Lawn Mower Man and all this other nonsense. Right. Sure. Classic. So expectations, basically anything out of this collection or short story.

is trash, but we're still holding on. We're still holding on. Maybe this one will be different. Yeah, I saw a trailer for it. It doesn't look bad. I've heard people that's seen it so far have positive reviews on it. Good. It's a good sign.

I love to meet some king. What do you think about Dungeons and Dragons? Shut up. It was a damn masterpiece. And that's what my son said. He's like, what? I'm like, let's go. He's like, but the end.

credits are still rolling. I was like, oh. Oh, my God. It was no John Wickford. Let's just say that. Well, that'll roll me into my cool of a week. I did see Dungeons and Dragons. And I sort of felt the same way at the beginning. I was like, this is really stupid. And then as it went on, I had a lot of fun with it. It's fun. Yeah, it's dumb, but it's a good time. It kept me entertained. And again, you've got Captain Kirk, just a different Captain Kirk. Yeah. And you got Michelle Rodriguez as Michelle Rodriguez again.

Yeah, boy, she's changing her face a little. Is she? She was more of a Costner. There you go. And then going to our 1990s thing, my kid had to read a bully book. thing for school. And so he sort of was telling me what it's about. And I was like, oh, that's like Lord of the Flies.

We're going to watch that. So we watched Lord of the Flies. It's a, it's a, I wouldn't, I wouldn't call it fun, but. No. A barrel of laughs. Yeah. Yeah, depending on how you look at it. It's got like yellow jackets.

It's yellow jackets. It is. And I, like, I don't think any of those kids were ever in anything else that was significant. But they did a pretty good job in that movie. And that's all like that. I quoted all the time in my classroom. Nobody gets my references.

I'm like, hey, hey, children of the corn. Hey, Lord of the Flies. Yeah. They're not getting it. Oh, that was required reading back then. Brian, I've just got one. You want me to jump in? I only got one.

I don't have my usual list. So mine is actually a not cool of the week. Oh, no. The Dungeons of Dragons? I used. Funny enough, I was going to watch that last night, but it's Michelle Rodriguez that's keeping me from watching it. Come on.

My not-so-cooled the week is a movie that we reviewed the, I think we reviewed the trailer a few weeks ago, the tank. Yes, yes. They had the, like, they opened a little door on their property, and there was some kind of a lock nest monster under it or something yeah it's a simple premise uh this family inherits a house in a large part of land and then they find this tank it's like a water tank they and like we thought it was it's a septic tank that would have been up in that um i'm i'm all totally 100% down for creature features but the the actual creature

it didn't look good to me it looked kind of cheap uh-oh the story was was typical you kind of just you've seen the toys come in you know why they didn't know because the house was inherited

them by the mother and of course you figure out the big secret by the end and it was 100% it was definitely one of those movies where you reach for your phone and you start doing something else on your phone Oh, no.

Gotcha. Taint, tanked. That's all I got. That sounds very M. Night Shy on. Oh, I do want to throw another one in there that I just remembered. Okay. Bring us back up, please. Peacock is getting some love from me.

That may have come out wrong, but you know what I mean. You're loving the cock. We get it, Philip. We get it. But there's a movie called The Mandela Effect. and if you've ever heard of what the Mandela effect in is it's uh like these little differences like the Baron-Stain Bears is a big one anyway they go into it in the movie and I had a really good time with this one I like those the movies that make you think about things

cool anyway I recommend that one I have something to say about peacock because it makes me angry because the knock at the cabin door or whatever the hell the name of that movie is on is only streaming on Peacock. And if I'm already paying $300 for cable, all my streaming services and my internet, why do I have to pay to get Peacock when it's already, I've already paid. Oh, boy. This was my argument, right? Exactly the same thing. Yes. They're getting out of control with it. There's going to have to be some way to frame them back in. Whatever the new, I don't know,

we'll see TV in our eyes through Neurilink or something. I mean, it's ridiculous because TLC's doing the same thing. How am I going to watch all my 90-day fiancé if they're going to keep half the crap over there for me to pay for it? What I'm already paying for it. My wife's sister's paying for it. Okay. There you go.

It got some pretty good content on there. I was kind of surprised. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm just kind of surprised what the streaming services have, but there's like dueling streaming services these days, that's for sure. And everybody who pins except us. Brian, you don't have anything remotely cool, man? We can just get there.

I'm kind of re-watching the first season or from just to get re-familiar. There you go. So we can do that. That's an excellent show. but I'm going to try to find out different means to watch season two because I'm not paying for MGM Plus. See? It's always something else.

Oh, I bought concert tickets. Again, I'm out of control. I'm buying like a concert. There's like it seems to be a concert every month. So I just got, they might be giants and sparks. Nice. Okay. All right.

That would be fun. I have to find someone to go with me. Good luck. Good luck. All right. I'll bring up my cool of the week. I'll get us away from the streaming services for a little bit. I actually started reading because, Brian, you know, I like to read 24 books in a year.

And I'm way behind. I was about to say you had some catching up to do. Yeah, I got on that string theory book that I was reading, the elegant universe. And it took me like fucking three months to read it. So now I'm getting into some graphic novels. So I've got through the first two Sandman series, which is actually really awesome, because you've got this guy that's sort of like an occultist, and he's trying to capture the devil or death or something like that.

It's not terribly clear yet who he was trying to catch, but he ended up catching a character named Morpheus, who's kind of like the god of dreams. And then you find out that there's other people that kind of have the dream power as well. Any of you guys read any of it or seen those? Spine Neil Gaiman, right? What's that? Yes, I think so. I guess it is.

They'll get Jared Leighto to play him when they do the movie. Well, they got a TV show. Right, there's a TV show. I don't think you're allowed to count manga as part of the books you're reading. Oh, that's my cheat every year. Usually toward the end of the year, I have to do like six of them. I'm trying to knock about early this year.

But that being sad, I'm enjoying it. I'm digging it so far. So I'll get through a couple of those and then get to a real book. But, yeah, a little filler in there to read like in one day instead of three months. After reading the string theory for three months, absolutely. You got to read that one for three months. It's probably complicated as hell. Yeah.

Well, there was that one night we went to San Antonio, Philip, and we were tripping, aren't we, and we were talking about string theory and trying to wrap our minds around it? That's my favorite thing to do, man. All right, so that's cool of the week. Brian, you got any horror headlines for us? We got a few this week. Start out.

Danny Elfman basically confirmed that Beetlejuice 2 is happening because he might be returning to compose the movie. It makes sense, yeah. Is that Johnny Depp is in that one? I heard somewhere. No Winona Ryder

I heard that He was like Johnny character The only No is Buano The only thing

I've heard Is Geno Ortega supposedly playing Winona Ryder's daughter That would make sense

Yeah That would make sense I already I felt disappointed Now I felt disappointed Well, to keep your disappointment going, there would be another Blair Witch Project movie.

Oh, no. Oliver Park is directing the next installment, and I looked at him up. Oliver Plant? What did you say? What'd you say, Brian? Oliver Park. Oh, Park.

I don't know who that is. I would be a little bit more excited if Oliver Platt was directed. That's a curveball. No question. Dude, so do you think this time something will actually happen? Am I just going to have to take drama mean this time? Because I was getting motion sickness last time. Aaron can't feel joy if you guys haven't figured that out yet.

Very upsetting. Oh, my God, I was so jacked up. I took the whole day off of work just to go see Blair Witch. With you? Yeah. And then at the end, I was waiting. I was waiting and waiting. I was so pumped with adrenaline.

And then he's just in a timeout in the end, the end, is that it? He's just in a timeout, absolutely. It's not Cannibal Holocaust, for goodness sake. The best part of that is the name. So is it a sequel or a reimagining? A reimagining. They've already reimagined it once with aliens, remember? Yeah, well, I was excited about that one and then it kind of sucked, right?

Can you guys hear me? Yep. Loud of clear. It just says next installment. Next installment. The final chapter. That's always alive. fingers crossed.

Let's see. Netflix and Ryan Murphy have confirmed their next, I guess this is the word of the day installment in their monster anthology series will be the Lyle and Eric Melinda's story. With Kim Carr fucking Dashian in it.

As who? As fucking, I don't know. Hopefully the mom who gets shot. Yeah, I was going to say, hopefully the big... As Kitty Menendez. As Kitty. That would be fantastic. Menendez brothers might be getting out.

Really? They were just on the news this week. They might have a retrial. There's some proof that he was molested. There's letters and things are. magically resurfacing. There was a thing on Peacock about the Menendez brothers and some sort of connection to Minuto.

I don't know what it is. Yes. Yes. That's the same thing. I saw a snippet. Minuto. Good Lord. It's all coming back together.

It's a full circle. But Ryan Murphy is my spirit animal. I fucking love Ryan Murphy. Did you enjoy the Domer one? Oh, I didn't watch that. Was that Ryan Murphy? Yeah. Oh, I missed that.

I heard it was very disturbing. It's on Netflix. You don't have to pay for Peacock, Aaron. That's right, because I'm already paying for that and Prime, and then my British thing, and then Hulu. Yeah, exactly. I have to watch my British stories. I think we talked about a few weeks ago.

that M. Knight-Shalmon's daughter Ishanna Knight-Shalemone is making her debut with The Watchers, a new thriller. Okay. Joining the cast is Georgina Campbell. She will recently start in The Barbarian. Oh, I love Barbarian.

Yeah. And Dakota Fanning. Okay. All right. I like this. I like this. So is she acting or is she directing this movie? Directing.

Will there be a twist? That's the first 10 minutes. Lance, you've seen some of her directing work, right? Yes, I have. Yeah, she's directed several episodes and composed music. And she's also written an episode or two of a servant on Apple TV plus another streaming service. You got to get Aaron if you don't have it. I just need to reach it out for other people's passwords.

Yeah, that's, but yeah, she's got that vibe. She's definitely got that vibe. creepy vibe going on. I don't know if it... I guess you can say Servet was kind of

twisty. It had a lot of twist in terms. It didn't have like a, you know, straight up Monkees Paul

ending or anything like that, but... Do you think... Do you think she stays away from doing the twist endings?

I think she probably would. I wish he would because it's... Oh, uh-oh. Has a matter forgiven M. Knight, by the way?

I mean, it seemed like there are a few years there that his name was kind of toxic. And now it's kind of like, I guess all is forgiven. I don't know. Not for me.

I just keep watching it. Sometimes it's only, I wait until it's streaming. But I was going to go see the knock on the door, but then stuff came up and now God doesn't want me to watch it because he's not going to put it on HBO. It'll make the rounds, I'm sure. She's going to have to get a different signature. And finally, we're going to end on more

news from the Speak No Evil American remake Scoot McNary joins the cast called Scoot McNary Is that that Gene Wilder or Richard Pryor movie that they're remaking? Is that we're talking about?

Are you serious? I don't think I could remake that. They have to change the line. Is that what you bet? Have you guys seen Speak No Evil? What was it? It was it? Oh, wait a minute. Speak no evil. That was the one with the Dutch family and then the really evil. Yeah, I know that when you're talking about. Oh, the folks that were from the Netherlands were the evil ones and the folks from Denmark were like the victimized ones. And they met on a holiday when they were on vacation together. And yeah, that's a pretty crazy movie, man. That's a good one, actually. Yeah.

The Dutch versus the Danish. The Dutch versus the Danish. Yes. Do you have shudder? I have shutters. Absolutely. I think it's a shutter exclusive. Okay. I'll check that out. So he joins the cast with James McAvoy.

I can see him in that. I wonder if McAvoy is going to be the asshole or if he's going to be the victimized guy. Because he can play it either way. Maybe it's like split and he's both. Exactly. He's both of them. That's the two.

That's the twist. And then secretly, it's revealed that it's an M-Knight Chamael of production. Yes, that's the twist. I secretly directed it. I see M-night. And then Gold Number shows up. And I think that's it, unless Phil, you want some Lulu Wilson news? Sure.

She's going to be in a sci-fi movie called Zeno. well we'll see she's growing on me it's Phil's favorite child actor she she's she's a hair take the shit out of me when she was little and in those horror movies like the second Annabelle movie which I actually really enjoyed the movie I thought she did okay in it but she's a big time overactive she's got that Shirley Temple thing going on and it hurts me maybe she's a xenomorph so she's just going to be in the big black concept my all she does is drool and move quickly and make screechy sounds.

But she was great in Becky, so we'll see what she can do next. Maybe she's growing out of it. We reviewed that Red Band trailer last week, and she did not, that trailer did not sell me on the movie. Yeah. Too bad.

It might be better than you think. I didn't think the first one was going to be any good, so. Yeah. This one has Stifler, right? Well, you also think Pet Semetery remake is great, so. It's better than the original. No.

That's not saying much. I'll watch it just for... It hates everything. Aaron likes what she likes. Okay. She won't eat it. And that is the news. All right.

So you guys, where you live in California, do you all have any trailer parks out there? Yeah. I've got one right down the road from here. Cool. Cool. Kevin lives in Irvine. They don't allow people.

They don't allow the homeless. They don't allow trailer parks. Only a million-dollar homes. The homeless disappear. Where are those skateboarder kids? They were here yesterday. They're all gone now. Okay.

I think there was an American Horror Story season that was kind of like that. Little village by the sea where people were disappearing. Hot fuzz? They hadn't to. That's a good one. I love hot fuzz, man. But yeah, there was the one where you took the pill and you became a genius, but you just happened to be a vampire. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, it was a good tradeoff, Philip?

Right, the complete works of Shakespeare, but then you have to take that pill and what was it derived from blood or something like that? Shit, I can't remember. I know. I was trying to remember the details. I really enjoyed that. See, that was the one where they cut the season into two halves, right? Yeah. It was that one and then the UFO story that was a little weaker, I thought. Yeah,

that was a little weaker season. Nobody's ever thought it'd be kind of cool to be a vampire? Yeah. I thought about it one. I mean, probably not in the long run, but I haven't said. I mean,

it's basically you're a vampire and you just get a ton of money. So it's like your dream of being a writer, well, you're not really the writer. So now you have eternity to ponder that. Is that the season where McCullochurchin was like a prostitute or something? Yes. Or is a hustler.

To do whatever you want to with a bunch of money and cool shit. Yeah. Right. It's true. You got to move around if you're going to. But it seems like they had to feed constantly. When it's that kind of a vampire, that's kind of shitty. You're like, oh, my God.

Your whole day now is just. hunting. Yeah, that's good point. Your whole night. I'd go live in. A whole day's wasted. Yes. All right.

Well, we're about to go down to the trailer park. So, Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? Well, first, Kevin, Aaron, have you seen the previous Dune? Or any of the movies? Yes. Yep. I did it.

I'm kidding. I did prefer the first one. I do think they did done the second one all at one, but there's just extended stretched out scenes, just to squeeze out some more money. That is ridiculous. You know, and

likes the original. The David Lynch. I watch the original after I watched the second one. Oh, no! Hey, Dad, we're Sting. Maybe Sting will be, Maybe Sting will be in part two. Come on, man.

Kyle McLaughlin. Brian Eno soundtrack, which I also found at a garage sale. Nice. Let's see. We're going to talk about Doom Part 2. Same director, Denny,

how do you say his last name? Villanoo. Billenoo. Okay. Pretty much the same cast returning along with what is her name? Florence Pugh, Christopher Walkin.

See, I'm on board for the Walkin. Okay. I didn't know that. That's amazing. Yeah. I wonder if Walkin is going to play Sting's character from the first. No. Oh my God.

Yes, he's just going to be oiled and tan with blue hair at 90. I actually think that's going to Austin Butler. Ah, okay, Elvis. Elvis. Who wants to. start us all and what they thought about the trailer. I mean, I always talk about that I find Timothy Shalameh kind of annoying. I don't know.

It's like I was in drama in high school and in college, and there were a lot of Timothy Chalemes in my drama class. That's my Lulu Wilson. There you go. There you go. Full circle. I mean, he was okay in French dispatch, but I don't see him as an action hero. He seems too fragile.

Oh, 85 pounds of him. Yeah. Why don't they just stuff him in a sack and feed him to the sandworms? They kind of joked about that in the first movie. Jason Mamoa kind of walks up to him. He's like, put on some muscle. And he's like, I have. And he's like, no, you haven't.

So they kind of play off that. Yeah, he's one of Jason Mamo's thighs, basically, at that stage of the game. Right. They could have just put him on the marble steroids. It couldn't hurt. Marvel training program, huh? Man, I'm stoked about it, though, dude. I know you are.

Yeah, you love the first more than any. Yeah, I really did love the first one, and then just watching the trailer for this one with the soundtrack going in the background. It looks very epic and cool. It kind of picks up with the other one left off. So, yeah, this hopefully will be another best movie of the year situation. I will see it at the theater but I will complain about it later.

You will. Make no mistake. I'll see it at the theater and I'll probably enjoy it quite a bit because I like the first part. And I reread the book and I was a little disappointed when I realized this getting toward the end

of the first movie and I'm like, they're not going to wrap this up. Yeah. They got me. And I'm looking forward to it overall. I think we all like the first movie. I think we all liked the first one, didn't we? Yeah, I liked it.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to see it in the theater, and I was told that was the best way to see it, especially in IMAX. With the sound more than anything. Yeah, fingers crossed, hopefully, because this is getting a November 3rd release. I'm hoping maybe they'll re-release the first one back in theaters before then.

Cool. That'd be great. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to it. It looks very epic. I enjoy the cast. I don't mind Timothy Shammal whatever his name is. Shat, Shaman.

Yeah, I have to speak good about him because my youngest daughter is a huge fan of his. Of course she is. She knows about all his movies. She was telling me about him. He is very pretty.

Filming Wonka. He's going to be Willie Wonka. Oh, that's right. What? No, that's true. I had heard that. But I think I heard that three years ago. So he's royalty already.

He doesn't stick him in anything. Yeah, the only other thing I've seen him in was phones and all. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I wanted to like that more than I did. I know, me too. I didn't see that. It was a cool idea.

It's a cannibalism movie. Yeah. It's a love story with cannibals. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Good way to describe it. I could just be describing the Walking Dead. right well Lance could tell us he's the walking dead fan on this show

I'm done I told you I tapped out I'm holding to it ma'am I haven't watched a single episode of anything it's that original and they're even saying that this is now they're saying this is the final season of fear of the walking dead I don't give a fuck it's I'm fine I'm okay some way you're going to make your way back to it well we'll find out I do have AMC plus and shutters You're going to make your way back to it, and you're going to watch all the 50 spin-off shows coming. Might be my clue of the week next week. Who knows?

Stop enabling him. He's doing well on his 12-step program. All right, like I said, November 3rd for Dune Part 2. It would be pretty epic if you had, like, the local theater that played it back-to-back. I would be cool. I love to see Kill Bill that way. Yeah. 12 hours later.

I would get the shit. Doing intermission like they do in the old day, so I get some more popcorn and go to the bathroom. Boom. Yeah, I think the funnest time, one of the funnest time I had when they released Grind House, the Quentin Tarantino. Oh, loved it.

Oh, yeah. Great double feature. And then the crowd, it was a pack theater, and everybody was just there for the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Gives you that drive-in experience. That was dynamite.

Yeah, that'd be a lot of fun. Hell, they can show the David Lynch movie as the middle part. Go to the bathroom. It could be the appetizer. Just so you remember how good these are, here's the old one. Here's the old one. I'd take offense to that. I thought the sets were more interesting than the old one.

The sets, the costumes, I thought I could have done without the dude with the boils. The boils. Barbuncles, I'm out. I don't need that. But I thought the sets were much cooler in the original. That's fair enough. Fair enough. All right, Phil. You got to listen to feedback or anything? On to listener feedback.

This week we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on Gag Me with a Chainsaw. That sounds painful. Your horror-loving host, Corey and Sarah, make an attempt to watch and discuss every 80s slasher. Check it out. that's a big undertaking I know

there's a lot of those that's a labor of love regarding our post asking for a five-star Apple review drunk with buds podcast says done well we

all right thanks drunk with buds drunk with us I sent you the wrong thing or you can have the buds sent you the wrong thing that was actually on Spotify he gave us a five star

oh god damn it well get over to Apple damn All right, and Brian posted a poll. It says, is the original Children of the Corn a top-tier Stephen King movie? So far, 100% said, no. I see how this night's going to go. It's a great story, though.

It's a great story. It is a great story. I think with some of these answers, I think I worded the question wrong because somebody compared, well, finish reading it real quick. Okay. So yeah, Halloween is Forever says, top tier means that it's on the same shelf with the Shining. Right.

And R.F. Jacques says, top tier is reserved for Carrie, the Shining, Shawshank, stand by me and the Mist. The Mist. Okay. See, there's where I kind of, maybe I've worded it wrong because

the Shining, great movie, but it's widely known as one of the worst adaptations. Yeah. I was very angry for years about it, but now I've come full circle. Yes. And then also, that was not the ending that he wrote for The Mist, which he actually thought that was a better ending than his book. So I may have worded the question wrong. Well, he has troubles with endings, as we have learned, if you've read a lot for any of his books. but yeah i don't think children of corn can go on that list

um but the short story is great no it's five pages long do i particularly no i mean maybe the story i'm talking about the movie it's five pages did you say it's five pages long kevin it's a it's like a leaflet a leaflet it is a short story as god intended it right and i've had had way too many students named Malachi over the years, and you know these are not Jesus

people that are coming through. Malachi, that's a choice. That's a choice. They're like, Damian or Malachi? I can't decide. Let's flip a coin. I've got a buddy who named his kid Damien. I was like, you sure?

Middle name the element. That's a choice. Let's see. Regarding graveyard shift, Patrick Mark. Martin says another one that I really enjoyed, despite how cheesy it was, especially the end credit song. And it has Brad Durf. So there's that.

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It's funny. It is funny. It is funny. On to our featured attractions. We'll continue our year and horror series with 1990 and talk about night breed and Graveyard Shift. I'm over a sit-to-throat.

You got him? I got him. Shit. Are you formidian? We should take him a low, Pelican. He's not nightbreed. He's natural. No.

I've killed people. I'm like you. That's why I'm here. Shut the fuck up. You'll meet. If we eat him, we break the law. It's true. Everything is true.

God's an astronaut. Ours is over the rainbow. Midians where the monsters live. But we'll start out with Nightbreed first. A troubled young man is drawn to a mythical place called Midian, where a variety of friendly monsters are hiding from humanity. Meanwhile, a sadistic serial killer is looking for a patsy. Director and writer is Clive Barker,

also known for Hellraiser, Lord of Illusions, and Countless Book. In the Bible, Midian was the land in which Moses lived for 40 years in self-imposed exile. It was in Midian that God appeared to Moses as the burning bush, telling him to go back to Egypt to free the Israelites. Narcisse is named after Clarvis Narcisse, the only documented Haitian zombie in history. Oh, and where the term zombie comes from, right? Thank you. I think so. Learn it's

learning stuff at the horror returns. There it is. Educational. You need an ORG. Aaron, did you hate Nightbreed? I absolutely hated Nightbreed. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. And why was there?

Like, one of the creatures was like Jack in the Box. Remember they had Jack Tonight? Yeah, that happened. Yes. What the fuck was that? The Moon Man. You're missing all the weird. S&M bondage,

pseudo-sexual nonsense that we've come to know from Clive Barker. Yeah. It was all like rejects from Hellraiser. Like, we're going to have Jack tonight, and then we're going to have,

like, I don't know, the stuff a lot of us. What if we got a guy with a moonhead? The moonhead. First of all, it was a Mac tonight. It was a dog-to-night. It was a dog-to-night. Very upsetting.

It was very upset. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Are those people down below dead or alive? And if they're dead, how come you can die from a bullet? What the hell's happening? That's a good point. And then there's that one dude who's just like a guy with a dog. Yes.

Oh, yeah, that's right. With the nipple piercings. It's like, that's not a monster. They weren't pierced at the end. There was a bunch of, there was a bunch of. horrible freaks, and then there's just a do with a dog. It's like, why are you here? Go to town, man.

Throw on a shirt while you're at it. It really was more like the movie Freaks. Instead of a carnival, they were forced to live underground like the chud. And simultaneously, there's a serial killer who you knew it was the doctor within five minutes of this thing rolling. Right. Croninberg. And they're like, let's put it all together.

Kevin, what you think of the movie? I'd seen this movie quite a few times. I think I saw a number of times. I appreciate the message of the monsters are the good people and the people are really the monsters. Although that one dude, Pellequin, was trying to eat everyone. Yeah, he's not a good dude. They were denying him fresh meat.

It was against the law. It's against it. a lot. Yeah, there was two aliens. Everybody else was a freak. And then there's two alien people in there. Who are the aliens, Aaron? I don't know. They're like X-Men. There was porcupine lady and squid head. Oh, boy. Okay. Squidette? She was. She was, the porcupine lady was like, there was a moment there where I was like, eh? She made me feel like one else. Lesser Marvel heroes.

She was a hideous freak with quills all over her, and she's flasher of boobs. They're like, okay. I got to think about this one. She's a monster. Just because she has boobs. That's all it took. Let's go. Thanks.

They're out in the wilds of Canada. I guess they take what they can get at that stage of the game. I would think so. Yeah. Caribou or whatever, huh? Caraboo or whatever. That's the country's motto of it that way. Very upset.

No offense, Canada. No, not my favorite. I will say that. Now, here's a question for you guys. Was he already a nightbreed, or did he have to get bit to become a nightbreed? I think the doctor was convincing him that he is the serial killer. So he thought he was. I think he had to get bit to actually become the night breed people.

I think he was always supposed to be the chosen one. He was eventually going to make his way there. Oh, yeah. He was like Ash. Yeah, read the book. The bite was to fully transition him to being a night breed. I think Brian's got it. Yeah, that's what I got.

That was my interpretation. The original book was called Cabal. and I think that's what that one character was there at the end that was kind of like a god well he became cabal that was bad I think so yeah Brian's got it man which that's got this whole thing figured out

I'll kind of jump in I do love this movie I have like nostalgic love for it but everybody has like cool names but the lady that becomes smoke her name's Rachel that's great for like

X-Men introductions. Storm, beast, Wolverine, and Rachel. And Rachel. I do like the different looks of the creatures that are down below. Aaron, I do agree with you. Some of them are a little misplaced on why they should be there. Because it was a jack-in-a-box. How did you get that way?

It's like a Turrell band movie. There was a dude who looked like he was like a chicken or like a skin chicken with like his head coming out of his stomach what it wow yeah I'd throw myself in the fire if I was that dude I mean what's what do you do it with yourself one thing I always wanted from the movie

I wanted more with those characters like I wasn't really involved in the whole boom is supposed to be the serial killer and David Cronenberg is the serial which Lance another thing better than he does his son because

Lance seems to think his son has surpassed him in directing movies. Okay, directing maybe, but not acting. Yeah, I always wanted more of those characters, like the porcupine lady, like I said earlier, kind of made me feel funny when I was a younger kid. I didn't know how to act. And the creepy kind of overweight guy with the tentacles coming out of a stomach. Oh, yeah.

Sure. Yeah, that was weird. The scoop the eyes out. Yeah, like, because if you look at IMDB, like, those characters have, like, names and, like, if you can. Yeah, so I kind of felt like there was, I've never read the story, so they probably had a little bit more to do with things. But overall, not one of Clyde Barker's best, definitely. It's kind of mid-tier to me, but I still enjoy it when I watch it. It's like X-Men with monsters, so.

Yes. There's like that old two of the X-Men. There's multiple cuts to this movie. Fred Savage. There are multiple cuts. Wait a minute. The Fred Savage movie, where the monsters that are under the bed or whatever, little monsters.

Is that what we're? This is like that. Jesus Christ. The prequel. Howie Van Dell. Yeah. Howie Mandel. That was the question I was going to ask everybody.

Did everybody watch the director's cut? Yeah. I believe that's the one I watched on FreeVee. I don't think I did either. I saw it on 2B. Very impressive with the director's cut. Yeah. Well, how does it end?

That's the difference. Oh. That's the question. They're all teleported and they ended up like in Los Angeles. Isn't that what you saw? The cut I saw they were all in a barn That was the extended director's cut Okay

How is it now locked in a barn Only slightly better or worse than locked in a mausoleum Yeah they got a way for Boone to come back And they said it could be tomorrow It could be longer We're going to sit here at criss-cross applesauce and someone's barn And just It sucks to be an immortal monster

when you're poor. Somebody probably owns his barn. They may come in here eventually. Exactly. We kind of got a lot of weird shit going on, guys. Okay, here's the thing. When you watch it at the end, is the one dude who ripped his face off,

is he alive or is he dead? Because that'll tell you which. Okay. I thought he was dead to begin with. In the director's cut, he's dead. he's dead. Director's cut, he's dead. The original version,

he lives, right. And then it's a question of, does the serial killer, David Kronenberg, come back to life at the end? Yes. Not in the director's cut. Not in the director's cut.

Okay. Then I watched the non-directors. I watched the non-directors cut. I watched the directors cut. And I've seen both too many times because I'm answering all these questions. We're the resident expert. And is one markedly better than the other?

Not that I could see, sadly. I don't see how it changes the story one whit, you know? No, I even think at the end of the director's cut where she kills herself to become nightbreed, I don't even think that was in the theatrical. She just said deuces and walked off and finished high school. Is that it? finished high school and I have to say

she was probably the weakest part of this movie because it seemed like maybe this was her first or second acting thing she's ever done very familiar though she went on to do other crap much crappo yeah I need her like more torch songs singing for 20 minutes

while Boone walks in and shrugs and leaves her do we have that? No. Hard pass. Edit that out. Oh, I even think

they put some a portion of her performance into end credits to just in case you wanted more. To make people leave the theater in a timely fashion. Do you about I missed that.

They need to come in and sweep. Hurry up. Good contract. Johnny get angry. Johnny gets mad. Pretty bad. Run down the whole song.

Every little movie we love. Lance, have you read the book? Yeah, of course I've read the book. Is it better? Yeah, no, it's pretty, it's pretty spot on. There's not a whole lot of differences. Oh. Yeah, I think, I think the book, the book of the movie are pretty similar.

But it's not, it's more of a novella. It's not really a full-sized novel. Maybe, it's not a leaflet, guys, but it's like maybe 150 pages or something. It's no children of the corn, I'll tell you. It's no children of the corn. I actually kind of love this movie. I saw it a lot when I was a kid. It was a big part of growing up,

checking out all the weird creatures. And I was a big Clive Barker reader, a big Clive Barker fan. I didn't appreciate it. I don't think I appreciated it as much back then for the story and the message that it's telling as I did this time. Everything you guys say is true.

It's like super hokey, real mishmash of different types of characters. Nothing belongs together. Why do you have the moon? man, why do you have the snuffel up, I guess, and all this way. The message is there, but it kind of gets lost with

just random stuff, like the lady that tastes the blood and she rubs it on her nipples first. I did appreciate it. All right. Yeah, that was a scene where I was like, I didn't see that coming. Didn't see that one coming, huh?

And what was the weirdness where it was like, suddenly the priest is doused in lava and now he's the big nemesis coming to get them. Yeah. Who are you? You appear 10 minutes into the, like with 10 minutes of the movie left. Turned into a bad guy quick.

I didn't mind the fact that, like you guys were alluding to, Aaron, you said within five minutes, you knew Cronenberg was the killer. Yeah, that was pretty obvious. There was little doubt about that. That did bother me too much in this one. I thought he did a good job. I thought all the costume and special effect work was great, but all that stuff, And the set design was gorgeous. And I actually liked that scene in the non-directors cut at the end where Cronenberg comes back to life.

And you've got that graveyard with all those bones around it, and a real Wiccan-looking thing, like he's got him up on a cross, like Christ almost or something. But I don't know. The thing that got to me that most this time was just kind of like the message of the film. Because you do like, you have all these creatures and, you know, yeah, let's do a bit of a stretch. Are they dead? Are they undead? Can some of them be killed with a bullet? Can some of them not? But I mean, that's what we are as human beings. And I kind of like that message. I really think that the world needs to hear a little bit more of that right now. Like, you know, no matter how different you are, no matter, you know, whether some think you're a monster or just because you want to live your life the way that you want to live it and other people get mad, somehow offended that you choose to do that. And I don't know, man. It's just, this time of this movie really touched me. I really felt. I felt a pretty strong connection to Boone.

I thought it was a pretty good character. I loved one scene in there because I don't know if you guys noticed the guy that, like you were saying, he ripped his head off. Y'all remember the line where he goes, no time for hanky-panky? That was actually, that's one big difference in the book. In the book, there was an extremely graphic sex scene between Boone and Rachel there. And so, of course, I don't know why they, I guess, you know, back then they couldn't show it. I'm sure now on HBO or something you could. Well, they're supposed to be working on a series.

That could be more closer to the book. All right. I think we're glossing over the freaks that live down below, because half of them seem pretty rapy. Yeah, that's a good one. This wasn't peace of love. There was the old man and the lady, and everybody else was questionable.

Yeah, especially that one dude who kept biting people. Why do they leave him there? It's time to get rid of that. guy. Put his ass with the berserkers. Exactly. And we're not even mentioning the berserkers. Are they peace of love too? Yeah, what's their story?

I don't know. They're just there when you need them. I don't know. I enjoyed it. I got a lot out of it. I'm glad that you picked this one, Brian. I enjoyed the watch from start to finish. And I really love that mask with the button eyes, particularly creepy mask there. Yeah. I thought he was an earthworm, but that was very creepy. Yeah, I have the figure somewhere. The pants labyrinth thing is that you're doing.

No, you can't see when the eyes are just buttons. Right. Yeah, exactly. I was trying to figure that one out. I was, see, I was wondering that while the movie was going on. I was like, how does he see that? Well, he's an X-Men too, clearly. That's right.

And maybe I'm putting on that mask. Pretty much. I'm not putting on that mask when the hillbillies are just gunning down everybody who looks a little different, right? At that point, I'm trying to blend it with the people with the guns. Very good point. Yeah, man, I thought this movie was pretty hokey. It was kind of all over the place. I like the costume design.

I like the monsters that was pretty interesting to see, but it was like a... I'm watching it for the special effects, and that's kind of it, because the story is sort of all over the place. I kind of didn't care about the human people at all. But it was interesting. I mean, I'm glad I watched it. I don't plan on watching it again. Once is enough. Yeah.

Now you're just saying you saw it. Once is enough on this one. I don't care about it enough to watch the non-directors cut. What about the TV series, Philip? Will you be checking out the TV series? No, I don't know how they're going to make it. make a TV series about this. They're going to have to change up too much shit. I mean, yeah, have to be a lot different one.

Yeah, the story doesn't make a whole lot of sense as it is. It's an acid trip gone wrong, I guess, you know. All right, scores. One through 10. Aaron, what do you think? I'm going to get a one. I kind of hope the guy who had the little arms that come out and pull out your eyes, if only he had only done that to me 10 minutes in. I need never see this again. It's literally like they've just filmed Hellraiser

and they had some scraps left over and hey somebody's shooting a sci-fi that's still some of those costumes. It's like an Ed Wood spectacular. Oh, God. Aside from the monster nipples, I don't see any reason to rate this art. Yeah. It seemed like a very PG-13 movie to me.

Yeah. They had a lot of like 80 sex scenes with lots of lingerie and billowy, sheer material blowing by. Fucking hair. I know. The gooch is Narcisse ripping his face off. That was all rough. And for no reason. For no reason.

Oh, they need to see your face. Well, nobody else has their face ripped off in the nether world. Yeah. And he was always chewing gum. he was really high on cocaine or something. He was supposed to be the comic relief at the end of the day. He was not. He saw love the tattoos.

Sailors. Sailors. I was like, bro, you have no face. Right. Oh, we lost crime. I was going to say we're down one. Uh-oh. The Piper's down.

We got a Piper down. Kevin, what would you rate? it? I don't, I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it. I can hear the whitewashing right now. The whitewashing. It was, I mean, it was okay.

It's not a movie that I'm dying to see, but I don't recoil from it. I mean, I, do you in fact own it? Do you in fact, oh, now that's a sign because Kevin owns a lot of shit. I do, I do. I guarantee you, Brian has like a Blu-ray. collector's edition versus steel book. Right.

Autograph. I'll give it four out of ten. Okay. I mean, four sounds bad, but... Not too bad. It's just under the halfway mark. Yeah, it's all right. It's kind of below just all right.

I'm going to translate that to be one out of five to perfectly match by score. Oh, Jesus. I don't know how that works. All right. Lance, what do you think? Oh, man. I can't, what do I normally do on this show? Like when it's up, I usually bring it down, don't I?

Usually. I'm kind of the hater normally. Yeah, you're going to have a hard time getting that one. That's right. 10 out of 10. No, I give it an 8 out of 10. Really? A B!

I fucking loved it. A B! I fucking love it. Oh, shit. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with it. I enjoyed it. Like I said, I really enjoyed the message. And, like, yeah, was it over the top when you had the hillbos?

Yeah, ha. drinking beer and out there hunting the monsters and stuff like that. But I don't know, man. It was just, it was a lot of fun to me. So, Brian, let's see. We've got a one, a four, and now an eight. I'm just going to say, Lance, I'm not going to say anything else because I don't want to insult your lady. So this is clearly...

You're ready. Go right ahead. Your special thing. Brian, what do you get it? I missed everybody's... SaaS. Okay. So, Aaron gave it a 1.

Okay, I think my Skype didn't like that rating. Kevin gave it a 4. Lance gave it an 8. 8. All right. Lance, I'm not as high as you. I'm going to give it around 7. No, you're not.

I'm like, it sounds like you all are a little something. Most of that is nostalgic reason. This brings me back to my child. I still remember the VHS tape sitting on the shelf at the video store. I like the designs of the creatures, and I really wish it was just more geared towards them instead of this boon and serial killer angle. It was just kind of ridiculous.

Yeah, it was a weird plot line. Actresses played as a girlfriend. It was horrible through the entire movie. Okay. Yeah, it's an easy seven. Nice. Okay. All right. A C.

You got a steel book of this one, right? A C. No, I got the Screen Factory special edition. I told you it. Aaron's got it going to remedial school another year. I'm going to go. I think four was a pretty fair score. Four is a fair?

Okay. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen. Right. I feel my Skype about to crash again. I mean, considering it is sort of a classic, it's not a particularly good one. It's more of a cult classic. Yeah. Yes.

Certified classic. Perhaps a midnight movie after a solid night of drinking and doing God knows what else. And then you just slide in. You may pass out halfway, but when you remember, it's great. It doesn't even matter. Maybe that was part of my problem. I started it and was kind of, you know, I'm going to need more drugs for this. Stats.

It started singing, and that was it for me. Is this scene still going? All right. We'll move on to, so mixed reviews on that one. Very mixed. We'll move on to Graveyard Shift. We share. We shared our food with the fuckers and they turned around stabbing us in the back by going to work for the VC.

That's right. Because the VC would reward them with a hot meal. Now, do you have any idea what a VC rat eats? Try raw American whole mail. So thank you. Come. Serving up a meal. Real nice and fancy.

Steak one of our boys to the ground. Through his hands, through his feet they done. Staking, Mike Jesus. And then they'd make the cut just above the abdomen. Now, this wasn't a fatal cut. But this is merely an entry wound. And then they get a rat, a real hungry rat, one that hadn't been feeding for about a week.

And they'd put it on the loon. And they'd stick its nose down inside. And if the damn thing wasn't starving enough, they'd cover it with a flaming rice bowl. And let me tell you, That gray, black, son of a bitch would have nowhere else to go but inside. And he'd start to tunnel his way through looking to put an end to that loud, beating sound. That the human art joke, so harm, so juicy.

In a very old textile mill with a serious rat infestation, deadly accidents start happening, but the corruptions start happening. but the corrupt foreman continues to put his workers in danger until they discover a horrifying secret deep in the basement. Director is Ralph S. Singleton, also known for the TV show Cagney and Lacey. Oh, yeah. He didn't bring any of that with him. Writer is John Esposito, also known for Creep Show and Masters of Horror. I did enjoy The Creep Show.

Where's My God? Cake Medelia! I think he was just, I think it was an episode of Creep show. The TV show, Creep Show. I think the TV show. Yes. That one was still fun. Okay.

The name of the mill is Bachman Mills. Richard Bachman is a pseudonym used by Stephen King. You don't say. Upon whose short story, the film was based. Tom Savini was attached to direct the film in the, late 1980s, but pulled out, did a lack of studio interest. So they gave it to Ralph S. Singleton. Or audience interest.

Stephen King heavily disliked the film and his least favorite adaptations, calling it a quick exploitation picture. Wait a minute. So he liked this less than lawnmower man? He didn't say that. He didn't say that. But Now that lawnmower man's short story

Now that's a leaflet That's like three pages long, isn't it? That's all it needs to be That's all it needs to be. Yeah, a lot of virtual reality on that. No virtual reality, no monkeys, nothing. Just the guy eating grass. There's no virtual reality in the story.

No, it's a dude eating grass. He goes out of the second yard and just starts eating the grass. Rolling on his belly, just chopping it down and a gopher and all kinds of shit. Well, let's be honest, there isn't a lot of mowing the lawn in the goddamn movie either. No, not at all. They ought to remake that one. I'd watch that without the Hokey graphics. Yeah, is it good now.

Aaron, you want to start us off with Graveyard Shift? Was this one terrible? It's fucking terrible. And I was looking forward to it because, like I said, Night Shift, that was a great series of stories. And I really, really like that. So I have like a vague memory of this story. I mean, there wasn't really any of the stories I didn't like. I just kind of float over.

So I was like, wait, this is the one with the rats. And then I was like, oh, shit. I love that the foreman bothered to put on some kind of crazy main accent. Like, I was told you. I'm method acting this bullshit. It took me half of the movie. I was like, what accent is he? I know. I thought it was Italian or something.

And he's the only one who's doing it, even though they filmed it there. It makes no God, once again, makes no goddamn sense. And then there's the mutant rat. There's a thing that looks like the thing. It's melted crayon special effects. It's nonsense. And then half the time, I don't know, what happened to the foreman? Why is you trying to kill everybody?

What's happening? ridiculous. Yeah, that was, that was, was it a rat or a bat? It's a rat bat. Let's be, it's a rat master is what it is. All right. Well, you never saw it flying either. It just had weird wings for some bizarre reason.

And why was a rat bat be in charge of the rats? That was my one. I was like, you've got this bat creature and it's got like these rat henchmen. And we just come to some sort of mutual understanding. Yeah, let's just do that, man. All right, so not a fan. I'm not really even sure what the hell they were doing in there. They were like throwing away pieces of paper,

and then they're trying to drain this place, but using a fire hose to move rats out of the way. I don't even know what they were doing. Because didn't he put the hose in the chippy? Why, they? I thought about that when he did the, the scene when he put when the,

when it was Brad Duroff and he put the hose in the chimney and somehow the wrap it sucked them out right and put them

into the river so it could go downstream into the little town and then they just decided yeah first they were

sucking them out and then they're just blowing more water everywhere after they're trying to clean this place up so what

right evidently this mill is the only job in town. Yes. I mean, it's so important. People are like, I am going to risk my life. The swinging, you know, fire hose is down with giant.

And everybody knew it was like a death trap. No one wanted to work down there over the 4th of July weekend because it was death. Everyone knew was death. But we're like, shit, I guess I got to go. Boss says I got to go. Double pay, man. And you could only kill rats at midnight. Why couldn't they clean the shit out during the day?

Yeah, it's dark down there anyway, right? And you want to talk about, you said some of the beasts from a night breed were rapy? How about this foreman? How about the foreman? He's super rapy, except what is Kelly? Right. Like every single decision he made was just to try to be as big of an asshole as possible.

Right. But it's my motivation, director, be an asshole. Okay. Got it. And do a crazy accent. Got it. We write that down. It was double down on the main accent.

Cut, cut. What accent are you doing there? All right. You know what? Just go ahead. I'm going to, I'm a doing my main, you know. You know, I'm doing my main. Sometimes dead is Zimventa.

Is that Chris Wall? Kevin, what did you think of the movie? I, okay. I saw this movie in the theater back in 1990. All right. There was that period where they would just stamp Stephen King's Steven King's graveyard. Stephen King's lawnmower man.

And I'm like, I'm in it. Sometimes they come back. Yeah. Sometimes they come back again. And I, yeah, I remember seeing it in the theater going, and I was probably like 15 or 14 or however old I was. And I left going, this sucks. I mean, this was

Although, what's funny is I remembered the crazy closing theme, you know, 30 years later. That was still locked in my brain. Well, because it was like a remix of like crazy of like the dialogue from the movie. I just remember the guy goes graveyard shift. Graveyard shift over and over again. I'm just like at that point I was looking for, Johnny get angry. Johnny get bad. They're trying to make it quotable.

It reminded me of that song about Vietnam where it's just the voiceover. The Billy Joel song? No, not that one, but there's another one where they'd rattle up the number of people who died. His average age was 18. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, I remember that one.

Not a good movie. Let me just say that. All right. Well, it's like you said, it's like for some reason. the foreman just becomes a psychopath. Like, you know, out of the,

his homie gets killed by the, the rat bat, and immediately's like, they're to blame. It was their idea to come down here. Let's go kill him. Florida the flies. Yeah.

The best part is when they're rocking that whatever happened to baby Jane, you knew what was under that fricking platter. You knew it was going to be a slice of tomato and a rat. I think he knew it. He watched him put it up, and he's like, ah, ha, you're very funny. I always love that when the townies just hate the new guy for no reason. He's walking in there, going to the built-in board, they're like throwing stuff out of him.

Get out of here, Drifter, Drifter. He knows how to spell his name. Let's get him. Let's get him. It's like, Drifter, I just walked in here. You drifted him. Now drift out. Brian, what do you think?

As ridiculous as this story is and you guys pointed out. Bring us up, man, come on. Again, I have nostalgic love for this. Came out of time when I was just renting anything at the video store. And funny story, if it wasn't for me having an interest in this movie, this podcast wouldn't exist.

What? Lance, because when I first got into listening to podcast. I was searching through and I seen somebody was doing a commentary for this movie years ago. Oh, was that the binge boys when they were back at the Joe Blow movie shows? It was the horror show they had the Bloods, Bullets, and Broads. Yeah. I missed that one. This would be a great movie for commentary. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

You can't find their commentary anymore, but it was a great commentary. Did he just throw a skeleton in a guy? Yeah. rats everywhere and what really gets me of course I'm a creature feature guy I love just ridiculous looking monsters

that can't even really be explained why they exist and all everything else is just second like of course it's ridiculous why he's why this mill even exists because it should be condemned but apparently this is the only job

in the state I guess because you can't I mean the secretary's sleeping with him just so she don't have to work in-till. So. She was. She was like, I thought we had an arrangement.

Now I got to work on Fourth of July? F this. I'm going to key your car. They alluded to something more going on because she kept saying, I know what's really going on, and I know your secrets. And I'm like, did you know about the rat monster? Yeah, really. If he knew about the rat monster, he wouldn't be going down there to check on him every two

seconds. He'd be out celebrating 4th of July. That's why you put those sons of bitches down there. Send them down their car crackers. Double pay. I mean, come on. Right. Double pay. Double pay and the only place to work. What a rough

line. These people just keep disappearing. Yeah, and apparently nobody cares. Everybody's talking about it. There'll be another drifter along. Such and so did come in and collect his paycheck. I don't know what happened to. Are there no cops in the state? I mean, you think a couple people go missing. How big is this town?

Warwick, the people have been murdered. Yeah. He's probably in the town sheriff. And that's probably another thing I kind of gravitated towards as a kid because, you know, somebody brought it up and listened to feedback. You know, we got Andrew Divoff in a minor role. He was the Wishmaster. The main Stephen Motch, I think that's how you said it as Warwick. He was the father in the Monster Squad. Brad Duroff, who's completely out-acting everybody because he thinks he's a completely different movie than everybody else. Talk about a Vietnam experience. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God, I forgot all about him. What the fuck is happening with the Vietnam used to do when they captured you. Yeah, I'm watching him. I'm like, this is a pretty good performance. You need to tone it down, Brad. You're outshiny. You're a minor character in this movie, which he doesn't. He doesn't even get killed by a rat monster.

He just gets crushed to death by a, what was it, a coffin? A coffin! Yeah. He just kind of slipped. Which, why is he in the graveyard anyways? I don't know. That was an unceremonious death, wasn't it? They sent him to find the nest, I think, is what it was.

Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It connects to the graveyard for some damn reason. He puts his dog in the hole. Makes no sense. Did the word send her died?

Nightgreet. He said that's exactly, it's Midian. Did Warwick send him to die? Because he's watching from the window the whole time. He doesn't want to have to write that check. So he's getting rid of the exterminator. There you go. He blackmails him to doing more extermination work for free.

Basically, we saw you dumping in the river. Do some more, spray some more chemicals while you're at it. Yeah, all the rats you're pumping in the river, you know, we're going to overlook that lawsuit. if you go find the nest. They had some leverage then, didn't they? It's that ridiculous. Lance?

What do you think? I'm kind of with Brian. I enjoyed the cheesy goodness of this movie. We're kind of going in the same direction here. I thought that the special effects were really good. I don't know. I guess I'm enjoying finally watching some older movies where it's all practical. You don't like CGI fire.

CGI blood, CGI smoke, CGII water. I agree with you. I agree with you about that. And I do like, I do like, I love the rats. I love the creature that, as Brian so eloquently put it, had no business being there. I was down there for whatever reason anyway. But the shining moment for me,

well, or the shining part for me is Brad, I'll just say Brad Diroff because, yes, he was definitely definitely in a different movie, like he was on a completely higher plane. Now, this came out after Child's play, correct? Charles Play was in the 80s.

So you think that kind of, you know, set the course for him, or do you think that... Why do you think he ended up in this role, Brian? Because, as you said, he's so different from everyone else in there. A paycheck. I think we got a bingo there.

No, I think he's so known. I think he's so known for his voice. I think that's maybe he came into this role, trying to make the most out of it. I agree. 100%. Because he is such a wacky character,

and he's just so fucking over the top. In a movie that's over the top and nonsensical, he is so over the top that this is why he's kind of funny. Because most of this movie doesn't make any goddamn sense. Why is the guy at the beginning walking around with a rat, throwing the rat into the machine? Why do you pick it up like... Torturing the rat.

Yeah, I'm like, God. Yeah, when you turn around and you look and all the rats are lined up around the room looking at you, it's time to go. Yeah. Definitely. Is it a townies we're reading,

and what is this mill making? It's a textile mill. Textile, okay. Cotton stuff. Little pieces of rat in the textiles. Yeah. Well, and I think, think we're supposed to think that textile mills, there's a lot of like, like industrial waste.

That caused a lot of pollution and shit. And that's why there's a giant fucking rat creature. Okay. So that's how they make the red towels. They throw the rats in there with it to color the white. It's an environmental. The finest rat linen is produced in Maine. We're not talking about rat linen.

Oh, man. Well, I'll tell you what, I had fun with it. I had fun with the movie. I think that I'm going to join you on this one, but mostly because I watched Nightbreed first, and then I watched this one, and I was like, okay. Right. You finally, those drugs finally kicked in, Philip.

This level of cheese I can handle, Nightbreed was too much. You're out of your mind. I watched this first, and I thought Nightbreed is better. Really? No, no. It was just because it was almost over. We called this Gregyard shit.

I think I've been dethroned as the one who bums the scores down. And it was ridiculous, but at least this, I mean, I don't know, maybe the story didn't exactly make sense if you're really looking for plot on us, because there's a lot of them. There's plenty of fine, huh? It was pretty straightforward, you know, rat monster, find rat monster, kill. rat monster except the form and it's a rat bat and it still has a giant rat tail yeah at the end it

actually takes its tail out and then proceeds to put it right back in just as he's putting the pushing the button yeah I found it was suicide it was rat bat suicide when he was doing that I was like do bats have tails I don't think they do

I guess this this one does yeah it confused me and it was definitely some 90s cheese but barely almost 80s almost 80s it had a very 80s feel to it for sure the girl with the army

did Pepsi help pay for this by the way was there a lot of Pepsi it seems more of a Matt and Dew kind of movie oh yeah definitely a lot of Pepsi Cola that they were shooting across at the rats right right that's the only kind of can he uses

for a slingshot evidently it's got to be Pepsi well I don't think that's selling the Pepsi see brand very well. But I enjoyed it better than Nightbreed. Okay. That'll be on the box. I enjoyed it than Nightbreed.

Aaron, what's your score on this one, one to ten? Well, now I feel like I need to revisit Nightbreed and give Nightbreed a two so I can give this the definitive one. We do We do decimals here. Well, I have to say

the one thing you can say about it, in the book, the creature is a rat the size of a cow that's just undulating and producing more rats. It's like the queen. That makes more sense.

Yeah, kind of like the queen alien or queen spider or something like that. It makes much more sense. Sure. That's, yeah, it makes tons of sense. Stephen King. imagine how terrible that would look also.

And they just said in, like, the suicide squad or something, or peacemaker? Peacemaker. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's right. Oh, Jesus. I'm ready for season two. All right. I enjoyed it.

Yeah? Not graveyard shift. I almost got you to say it. What's your score on that one? problem is Aaron is like the black hole of these things where it's like she's in her score is always absolute zero so

I've definitely seen worse and I've definitely seen better I'm going to say one and a half 1.5 Wow seems very generous. Look I can deal

with nonsense, right? It makes no sense. Cool, we stipulate it's not Shakespeare when we walk in the door. I get it. But it was just kind of a nothing in a way. You know what I mean? It's like the performances were kind of forgettable.

The actors, like, who the hell? It's like, oh, it's the dad from Monster Squad. Although I love Braddorf. I will say, he kind of, he brings it up a half point. You know what I'm saying? Just by the strength of his weirdness, But it's just kind of a forgettable film is really the sad reality. So 1.5.

Oh, my God. Wow. Brian. I'll bring us back out. This is another seven. Oh, nice. And I'm looking in through the cast list. There was somebody that was actually playing the creature.

But they got it listed. It's not a rat. It's a giant bat. Then why does I have a giant tail? that you're supposed to overlook that part. Okay. Okay. So, but, yeah, it's, again, I know I keep saying it again.

It's nostalgia for me. It just, it's one of those movies that I kind of revisit. It takes me back to the good old days when everything was practical. And you just have an ensemble cast of these character actors from different movies, you know. and so it's another seven for me. Nice. Can I say, I did find it shocking. The one shocking moment of this movie is when that girl gets stabbed by Monster Squad's dad.

I couldn't believe. I was like, whoa. Like what happened here? What's going on? That was surprising. It was the most ridiculous fight scene I've ever seen in my life. It was. It was.

He threw a skeleton on him. Yeah. What are we doing? Lance, what do you think? I'll give it a six. I liked it more than I didn't like it. But five of those six points goes directly to Mr. Brad Duroff. So that's understandable.

Six it is. A six. And I also just realized there were so many bones, thousands of people. Oh, there were. I noticed that's a good point. I assume they're grave robbing. Kevin, I assume they're attached to the graveyard. I just assume they're a grave robbing.

Those are people that never came in and got their paychecks. Another drifter. That makes sense. And then they found a still, what was all this underground bullshit nonsense? And then there was the still level. Then there was the old mill. Yeah, kind of weird, huh? Real surrealistic, right?

I mean, it just didn't make any. sense the way everything was put together. But it was fun to watch. For me, it was fun to watch. Yeah, it was it was nonsense that knew it was nonsense. So for that, I'll give it a five. All right.

Nightbreed's the deal. We end right in the middle. Trying to see like it was taking itself a little too seriously. And this one was so over the top. Sure, sure. Especially with like the foreman's acting and all that. And, you know, Brad Dura, of course, is awesome. But I at least had a good time laughing with this one. Yeah.

Oh, I'm a bump mine to a seven and a half. I totally forgot that. Oh, wow. The end credit song. Oh, God. With all the different lines from the movie. They were trying to make it as portable as possible. There was some early attempt at rap, huh?

I wonder if that's downloadable on the Spotify. I can make that my ring. Make it your ringtone. Oh, God. What would you call it? Graveyard shift theme, or what would you call it? Love theme from Gregiard shift. Well, how it was just Braddorf going, yeah.

Or just telling different Vietcon torture stories, right? I was like, is he still talking about rats? Because this is getting a little weird. All right. Well, we had a lot of fun tonight, guys. You know, took us back to 1990 and chat all over our young dreams. So we certainly appreciate that. But, no, so you guys are a lot of fun, man.

This was a good time. Tell everybody that's listening where they can find you, which you guys have coming up. You have a YouTube channel or you're planning on one? I do. I know, Kevin, you would just stare at yourself, wouldn't you? That's why we have one, frankly. Yeah, we're the podcast that wouldn't die. We're on Twitter.

We're on Facebook. We're on TikTok, Instagram. We recently started videotaping our podcasts. So we're all on videotaping. Is it video? No. We're not videotaped. From 1990.

Yeah, we're keeping in 90s this episode. We have a simulcast. We all went, yeah. Of course. Of course. So you can see us on YouTube if you want to see our beautiful nightbreed faces, evidently. Good times.

All right. Well, for everybody listening, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would always love to hear your ideas, your feedback. Come visit us in our Facebook group. We can also be found, where Brian?

Everywhere, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. We have a Tumblr. I'm never on it. Right. It's there. Somebody's there. Everything and everywhere all at once. Yes.

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But Mother's Day, Mother's Day show, Brian. Yes. You're doing another holiday thing, huh? Yeah, why not? All right. Well, we're going to check out Mama. Oh, that's great. Speaking of this.

Oh, you like that one? I like the, all my mom is really good. One baby Aaron fucking likes, and we don't invite her to that one. And then you're going to be all like, oh, that was terrible, so predictable. No, it's good. All right, so we got Mama and also the Babadook. What do you think about that? Yes!

Yeah? That's great. That's a good combination. We invited Aaron to the wrong episode. Invite Kevin to the right one, though. It was in the Twilight Zone. All right, Brian, take us out, man. Until the horror returns again.

Good night. Thank you.