The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #368: Psychological Horror Part 3 - The Silence Of The Lambs (1991) & Se7en (1996)

Episode Date: June 15, 2023

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victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Folks, welcome back to another episode of The Horror Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always, my co-hosts, Philip and Brian.

And our other host, Neus should pop in shortly, at least by the time we get to the movies, I expect Ness to be in. But how are you guys doing? Busy. Busy. Yeah. A lot of time with the family this week. If anybody hasn't, if anybody's noticed, I haven't been posting in any of the social media pages. I just, I haven't had the time.

Wow. Probably a show and listener feedback. We got some pretty good listener feedback, but I guess we need to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was told that I need to start digging deeper through our other socials for it. And unfortunately, the only thing I really check is Facebook. So, guys, if you did give us feedback and send it, you know, we do apologize, but that's something we're going to work on. So that's like the most important part of the show, right? It's kind of like while we're doing it.

Why not? The other reason we do it as an excuse to get away for all that family shit for hours. And of course, you know, that feeds into, I'm hoping you guys have some great stuff this week for Cool of the Week, because I'm a little low this week. I've been doing a lot of family stuff and taking care of a family member that got work done in his pacemaker. So a lot of shit going on, but I got a very diverse. Oh, okay. Well, then you got to get us rolling. Come on, man.

Okay, I did celebrate Robert England Day. Oh, that's right. The documentary on Screenbox is called Hollywood Dreams and Nightmare is the Robert England story, and it's a fantastic documentary. It looks like it's good. I started like 10 minutes into it, but I didn't get to finish it. Yeah, it deep dives into how he grew up, how he got started in the acting, and it, it does make you make you want to go back in his

filmography because he Robert England can act and it shows about some of the clips they showed of his like older movies and of course it gets into the nightmare movies I didn't know I don't even know if he covered it when we

talked about 9-76 evil how he met his wife I think that was in the trivia okay it was I think so getting older my mom memories gone. But what's the, what was the story? She was like costume designer or something? A set

headset set decorator. Okay. And they would I think they would go on like locations, scouting out locations and he would like drive her and basically it was just he fell in love at first sight and

Ah, okay. And yeah. Kind of, it goes into a lot of cool stuff. like he was supposed to be a second second build in a Schwarzenegger movie called the

Crusade. That would have been amazing. Yeah, got canceled like last second, but it was going to, he was going to be second build to Arnold. It was going to be more money than he'd ever seen. And just a little interesting stuff like that was really cool. So I recommend that documentary.

Yeah, it looked like it was good. Yeah, Brian's got to be our in-house screen box guy. I think maybe we can bring them as a sponsor or something. Ness was telling me it's only like, like, $27 for a whole year or something like that. I think so. Repay?

That's like, what, $2.50 a month or something? You can't be that. Well, and just monthly, it's only like $4 or $5 a month. It's like the same price that shutter. Yeah. You can't beat that, man. Come on. Yeah.

And they've always been reducing stuff. Yeah, they're starting to get a lot of exclusives now. and like they were the first one to get terrified too when it came to streaming. Right? Let's see. Moved on over to Hulu for this one. I think I talked about this one

that they were making a hot Cheeto movie. Yeah, Flaming Hot. Flemann Hot. Pretty fucking good movie. I did not know. All right. You just don't really think. You just think, you know,

it just comes from the fact. factory and trying some new stuff and you just don't know that the idea came from a janitor that worked at one of the plants and kind of had a ex gang gangbanger background, you know, getting into a lot of trouble, you know, got the job at Frito Lay as a janitor, just wanted to, you know, support his family and was very interested in how the factory was. worked in the machines and just wanted to learn about everything and then you get to the part in the movie where he just you know the factory was going through hard times right and he had an idea and it's a kind of an inspirational story so cool let me let me ask you this was it a was it a

replay of the you know you got chocolate my peanut butter story where like he he was dipping cheetos and hot sauce or something like that? Is that how it started? I don't really want to, but no, he just Oh, you know, but it was, there was nothing geared to as far as snacks geared towards the, the Mexican community. You're like, man, you got to make this shit more spicy.

Essentially, you know, he was just, you know, sitting there, you know, at the park with some snacks at a food event from a food vendor, and he was just kind of looking around and, you know, the idea struck him, like, why can't this be on, like, Cheetos? or Doritos or, you know. Okay. Genius.

The rest is history. Now it's all about thakis. You guys ever try those before? Those are good, man. They've got some tocky meat sticks, I saw. Yes, they do. I haven't tried them. Not bad.

Not bad. So recommend Flaming Hot. I think it's on, I think it's also on Disney Plus. I think they double dip dropping it on streaming. Nice. And it is direct. directed by Eva Longoria, the actress. She's directing movies now, so.

All right. And it's listed as like a drama, like a biography drama, but there's a lot of humor in there too. Oh, cool. I like the way they told the story. They added, you know, like he's doing flashbacks of how board meetings went, and everybody's basically talking like they're from American Me and, like, you know, he's kind of described.

driving it like it was like a gang meeting in prison not in the board and he's like, you know, that's not how it really happened. This is how it really happened. So there's a lot of humor to it. I like that. That's nice, man.

Yeah, it's on the list. I'm definitely going to check it out. But my cool of the week is movie. I didn't get to see it when it first came out in the theater and I'm glad I caught it before. It's out of theater and it's Guardians of the galaxy bar. Oh, nice.

Okay. I still have it. I think it's up there with the first one. Yeah? I really do. It had the humor, it had the action. It had the sad moments were there. My wife and daughter almost cried. We had another family member. They don't want me to bring it up, but I will.

I fucking cried in the theater. I've seen it. Oh, wow. It is, it's not, I don't think it's the end of Guardians movies, but it's the end of this. Air route? Yeah. Okay. And, yeah, and Rocket has to have the fucking saddest backstory. Oh, no.

Yeah. They, they show you his backstory, and it's fucking horrible. And I'm about, and I'll say the villain is called the high evolutionary. Okay. Best villain out of the Guardian series hands down. Really? Yeah, you fucking hate him when you see the shit he does. Yeah.

Oh, wow. So, yeah, definitely. The end credit scene, the first end credit scene you can stick with because it kind of shows you where the team's going from there. Okay. Okay. But the last one was kind of a, I fucking. state for this. A little whack.

Yeah, it was like Star Lord making a little comment to some, I won't say who. Oh, okay. Well. It's kind of funny. At the same time, I could have made my way out to

theater to the parking lot by then. At least it wasn't just Blade's voice, right? Or that we didn't even get to see Blade. Or the second Antman movie when it was the Ant playing the drums.

An Ant playing the drums. When they showed that in the trailer. Yeah, that's good point. But yeah, definitely it just kind of hit on all the emotions. Right. It's going to miss these guys because some of them, I think Batista said he's kind of done. I mean, I'm sure they'll get him back for like a cameo or something, but he can't do the makeup and stuff anymore. I imagine most of them are about done with it.

well dude it was like that in the comic books like you if you read the avengers or the x-men or any team comic over time they they change constantly you know you get new mutants or new superpowers in and that's what keeps it fresh right yeah yeah so making a major's movie with fucking wolverine it that we'll talk i'd see one in a couple of years man yeah uh hopefully they announced something uh here in a few weeks we're about due aren't we yeah I don't know people sorry somebody slamming doors in the back I got all my I got all my family here hopefully it's not a ghost yeah I hope not Veed's ghost oh man Phil I'm gonna jump in next is that cool yeah go ahead because I didn't know what I was gonna what I was gonna do I got on a David Fincher uh I guess kick after seeing seven and so I checked out Alien 3 because like I said my Wi-Fi was down, right? Oh, okay. So I had to go with it. Did you have the extended cut?

I did. I did. I guess it's like two and a half hours, almost three hours. And it's not my cool of the week. It was all right. It's definitely my least favorite, I think, of the alien movies. But I did watch a couple of other DVDs I found laying around. I watched three amigos, which is awesome.

Kind of like Seven Samurai or the Magnificent Seven, but with three actors who don't even know that they're heroes until they're in the thick of it. But my cool of the week is Easy Rider. You guys ever seen this one? Oh, nice. Yeah, man. Well, it starts out with, yeah, Dennis Hopper and, yeah, Nicholson joins up later. You got, who is it, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, and they're like a couple of hippies

that are riding their motorcycles across country. I'd forgotten the movie starts out with him doing a huge cocaine deal. in Mexico, and then they put the cocaine in plastic bags, and they put it inside their gas tanks in the motorcycles, and that's how they get over the border. And then they pick up a hitchhiker, it's

kind of a strange character, and he's living in a group of people that are kind of like living off the land, but you can tell they're all tripping, tripping on acid and growing mushrooms. Like, super good look at 1969 counterculture.

But yeah, the movie really ramps up when pick up Jack Nicholson because he's like a small, they, they get put into prison for fucking with some people at a parade and like doing fake salutes and shit like that. Even though one of them has an American flag on the back of his jacket, his entire motorcycle is an American flag. You know, of course they still get fucked with by the little local Texas sheriff there and they get in jail because of their long air. Nicholson is like a small town lawyer that's there in the drunk tank with him. Oh, it's a lotus again. He's drunk. You put him in the drunk tank.

So he meets up with him and they do the rest of the trip to their goal is to get to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. That's where they're going to deal the cocaine and make their fortune. So it's a good movie, man. It gets really trippy toward the end, not surprisingly. But nice look at 1969 counterculture. Yeah, it's a fun. It's a fun movie. It's a nice road trip movie.

you man yeah so that's it Phil what's you got uh well okay so uh I'll start out with a movie that I finally caught up with uh John Wick 4 oh okay yeah it was pretty fucking awesome not as good as John Wick 2 that was still my favorite okay um I think the fight scenes were more believable and it was just it was less outlandish maybe outlandis is a good word for john wood for yeah yeah yeah very practical use of nunchucks yeah which was cool i you know i hadn't seen nunchucks in a movie in a long time yeah so they had some badass fight scenes um i liked all the characters in it uh it just you know it got it got big box officey and like marvel movie fight scenes you know you know you know what took me out of the same but you know it took

me out of it, guys? The stone stairwell scene. I was in for it. I was even in for the art. I was even in for the Arc de Triumph where not one single cop or firemen showed up after a fucking 15 minute long,

you know, running everybody off the road. And these cars are like still driving while people are like, I know. I know. I kind of like, especially like the stair scene, I took it as like a video game. Yeah. Like he got to the top, got knocked down. Yeah, start the level all over again.

All right. Bruce Lee. Very, very Jackie Chan. But, okay, I'm sorry, Phil. Didn't mean to interrupt, man. No, but it was still a really fun movie, and I'm glad that I watched it, and I had a really good time with it.

Yeah, beautiful locations everywhere. I wanted to go to every location there was. And one day, Brian, we will, as we grow our audience and get more Patreon. support will travel the globe sure we'll go to the apple tower no but yeah that was that one was really good I also watched an a FACC mid IFC midnight movie on shutter called consecration

I've heard of it sounds familiar yeah so it's like a nun thing none horror Is there any satanic element in it? Or would that be telling? Okay, yeah, there's no way EJ will watch it then. Yeah, well, yeah. And there was another one on there actually that I watched also, but I can't remember the name of it,

but it was another non-horre movie that was like IFC at the night. They're good at that, especially Irish stuff. Oh, I think I want to know the one you're talking about. Help me out, Brian's Saint. Maude? St. Mod. Is that the one, Philip? Or is it kind of like a sleepy

U.K. C-Side town? No, it was I can't even know what happened. A lot of them are alive. A lot of Irish, UK. Yeah, there's a lot of like Irish Catholic Nunn stuff. Right. But consecration, I just

sort of felt like I was in the mood for that kind of thing, especially after watching the movies for this week. Sure. that it felt good. And it was a pretty solid movie, man. Like, I don't hate it. It wasn't like an exorcist movie, but it wasn't that far from it.

Oh, the other one I watched was it was a 60s Irish priests that went into a convent. And there was some sort of exorcism thing, too. It wasn't bad It was like found footage I can't remember the fucking name of it Oh I've seen that one Yeah Yeah

Where when they go into the The church or whatever There's like a Tunnel or something that goes deeper Yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah that one wasn't bad either Anyway Fun movies

So what's the cool of the week man Definitely those and I also decided to continue on our Silence of the Lambs treatment and watch. Oh, nice. Cool. And that was definitely my cool. Hannibal was a lot.

It's not really the same as Silence of the Lambs, and we'll get into Y later. Okay. It does go deeper into the Hannibal Lecter origin stories and stories, and sort of, I think, gives way to the Hannibal series, you know? Okay. A hilarious scene with Ray Liotta at the end.

Yes. Oh, my gosh. That was a pretty fantastic. There's a few really memorable scenes in this movie. It's not bad. I mean, for being a more current movie, I mean, I guess it's not anymore. I don't know when it came out, but I guess it's been a while now. But I don't usually consider it really part of the Silence of the Land.

deal. But this one was, right? There is some really memorable scenes in that movie that are pretty kick-ass and it was fun to watch. All right. You know, Anthony Hopkins, dude, what are you going to do? Well, that, that, that, that, uh, that flaming hot alarm you guys here is, is Nas showing up. Just in time to give us cool of the week. What's up,

Nez? Hey, yeah. Coach. What's up, everybody? I'm back, bitches. Oh, man. Well, here was a not-so-cool of weeks. Oh, no. other than Brian and I sorry everyone it's my fault no I'm gonna take I'm gonna take it this time

I've been as before you got all we talked about I just been spending a lot of I got all my kids together the past couple weeks so yeah we'll get on that wrestling even though it's like two weeks old yeah I might have to rewatch it

but um yeah my brother was trying to act out some scenes from the 80s classic rad and he scrubbed on his bike. He was in the hospital. He had like 15 stitches. My son just graduated

the other night, so we were kind of getting prepared for that, and that's finally over with. And hours before the graduation, we got a dog. I don't know what episode, Brian and I were talking about our new dogs, but

it's a dog. I don't know, mutt, a little res dog. Best dogs, man. It still, well, it's bigger now. It was a puppy when we got it. It was six weeks old, and it's always running around between everyone's legs. My mom's 75, which I just found out, because we were getting ready to have dinner, and it ran behind her leg and her feet, and she kind of stumbled, fell backwards.

she just had knee surgery a few months ago so she was laying there and I was like oh man I just like you stupid dog and we tried to get her up

and it was just like we got her up but it was just like she was like she was screaming and I think that was like the first first time I ever heard my mom scream I mean I was at all the horror movies we watch

and hearing all the screaming and all that and never really bothers me until it's real. Women are tougher than we are. We're screaming like babies. So, but the paramedics came, because we were just going to try to get her in the car

and take her to the hospital, which is on like a mile or so from my house. But she goes, I can't even do that. So they came. They drugged her up with something so they can move her. They took her to the hospital. My dad called by hour or so later, and they said her leg is broken.

I was like, oh, fuck, man. I guess it was right below the top of the, what's the fibia or whatever? I don't know what the one that is. But it's the one below, whatever that bone is called below your knee, your knee cap. Tibia? Yeah. Sounds about right. That one at the top, I guess.

I don't know. I don't know. I'll know tomorrow. I'm going to the hospital tomorrow. I don't know. Something broke there. said so she was uh i was like fuck and she came all the way from arizona

came to california missed my son's graduation so she was bummed about that uh Eric was feeling bad because of yeah so but um and then uh when was it Wednesday before all the graduation

my youngest grandson was throwing up all night oh so he caught a bug from something luckily i was off all week so i was able to stay home with him while everyone else went to work in school. Yeah, all that. My brother, my mom, all that.

Graduation came. We had it. It was a good time. When we was over, we all came back to my house, and I was just not feeling good. I was like, I don't know, I feel weird. So I was kind of just hung out, sat there, laughed around. And I said, you know what? I feel really tired.

Let me go lay down. So I went and laid down. And then I just sat up really fast. I ran in the bathroom and a little. I don't know. Oh, my. It was one of those ones with so much was coming out. Like, I was like, you could barely breathe.

So I was like, fuck. And then I only got that a couple of times since college. Oh, yeah. So I figured I was all right. Okay, it's all up. Let me just go, nope. And then it went to the back door. And then, blah.

I was like, oh. So it was blasting out of both. things. It was so bad. It was coming out of my nose, everything. So I was like, oh. That's the first part. So all of late Friday night, early Saturday morning, I was just, oh. Saturday I just laid in bed. Definitely the not cool a week. I laid in bed all Saturday. And today I feel a little queasy. I had to get up super early and take my son to the airport so he can fly back home to Arizona. And they got home.

I was happy with that. But that was pretty much the last few weeks and everything. It was just, it was hell. But we, everyone's okay. My brother's good.

My mom, she goes, I just talked to her. She goes, I'm good. I'm good. Just you'd be all right. She told me,

long as you feel better and come, come, I've come visit her tomorrow in the hospital. And, yeah, my son's just sleeping it off. He, I guess they had a sober grad night.

I don't know what that is, but I guess they, they lock him, down in the school and give them all kinds of fun things to do? Sure. So he's still recovering from that. I haven't done that. Well, of course I haven't done it, but I had

one of those in high school. Yeah? Did you attend? Yeah. I attended just so we can all sneak out and meet up somewhere else. They're sneaking the drugs in the bottle, right? I won like a $500 thing at one of those. No shit. Yeah.

Yeah. That was worth staying sober for a night. That was my thing. back then. My son won $80 and then some kid won a car. Oh, wow. No. Yeah, they had it at the graduation. It wasn't brand new. It was used.

Okay. New to that kid. But everyone was mad saying, he's already got it. He's got a nice big truck. Right. So they're like, he don't need it. So I don't know. He won. So congratulations. I don't know who he was. He'll do the right thing and give it to a family member or

something. Where the hell do they go to the school? Aralago neighborhood or what? Shit. I don't know. I was like, I know, man. I was like, the only thing we did

for grad night, they took us to Disneyland, Magic Mountain, raging waters, Catalina Island. That sounds like a lot of fun, man. Yeah,

we had hell of fun, dude, I was fucked up. But, hell of fun. You're not supposed to drink in everything else underage,

everyone. That was way back in the good old 80s. But anyway. But I do got a cool of the week. Really, this one will be quick. That movie,

I guess it's Sisu or whatever. C-S-S-Soo. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I just watched it this morning. Okay. Is it awesome? Yes. Oh, man. I got to watch it. Totally, it reminded me of like a Quentin Tarantino

type of vibe of film. Yeah. It's like broken up into chapters. And man, they did not spare any expense on the practical effects. There was some CGI stuff in there. And then your C.G.I. Fire was in there. Lance,

but, um, it was, it was amazing. I loved it. Everyone kept telling me, you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. And I was like, all right, let me just watch this. I could talk about it on East Society. There's still the undisputed villain of all time. Yeah.

I have a better bad guy than that. Oh, man, it was not stupid, but it was hell of good. I don't even know who this actor was. He reminded me of like an older Brian Cranston, but, um, okay. Yeah, like a, kind of like a Clint Eastwood kind of scow on him all the time. Yeah, it was good, man. It was like, that's why I say Quentin Tarantino because it was just like,

this guy, he finds some gold. He's trying to get it from point A to B, but he's got to deal with some Nazis, got to deal with some this person and that person, and all hell breaks loose. He's getting into this big, huge adventure. there's horse riding riding on tanks flying in airplanes and dude it was crazy but it was hella good i loved it now yeah i don't know who this dude is hey jorma tamila

hmm yeah i don't know what this gentleman's been in i probably probably have to look at the rest of the stuff but if you guys haven't seen it yet it's definitely watch that because it was it's definitely in my top 10 this year um oh nice that will it stay there i don't know i don't know will it stay I don't know. We still got a lot of movies that are coming for the rest of the year, but it was an amazing film. I was just blown away on what I saw

on my little phone screen. I couldn't watch it. I couldn't watch it in the liver. I couldn't watch it in the liver room. Should have gone to the theater, man. It's seen on the big screen, dude. It's not playing up here. I know. It was playing here for like a week or two,

and I missed it, but. It didn't even come anywhere near us. Right. So, but yeah, it wasn't. Yeah, that's been going on. All right. You know, had they had some marketing behind that one, I think it could have been a big screen.

And had the best trailer ever. Yeah. Showed the dog and then it flashed on the screen that this dog does not die in this movie. Yeah, there you go. Perfect. All right, Brian, you got some headlines for us? Or it'll be in two weeks. Got a little bit.

We're getting a new leprechaun movie. They're calling it a reimagining. And this is, but this time, it's from the people that are producing it are the same people that put out Barbarian and the latest it movies. Huh. Okay. And it will be directed by Felipe Vargas, who, the only thing I know him from was he directed like a short horror film called Baby Teeth. All right. So.

Okay. I guess, you know, it could be scary. Lepricon. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Are they going serious with it? I'm an epicant. Did they get asked to? As we need to do Wayne's World.

I just got that. I just got that. I just got that. Ah! Let's see. Hugh Grant is set to star in the A-24 horror film called Heretic and this is from the Writers of a Quiet

Place Huh So I won't have much dialogue then Probably not Okay Hugh Grant I don't know man Like that's uh

He was sort of a bright spot In uh He was an A lister for sure Dungeons and Dragons Oh he was in that Yeah I think he did pretty great in that He just ate up scenery He's making a comeback

Yeah Was it? it any good? Yeah, I liked it. I haven't seen it yet. I mean, it's not going to win any awards, but... It's got my girl in it, but I haven't watched it yet. Oh, yeah, it's got your girl. Thanks for reminding me. She's okay in it, but Hugh Grant definitely, he definitely knows what movie he's in.

Yeah. He's in that? Yeah, he's like the... He's a bad guy, sure. like one of the thieves they team up with okay let's see uh share she's producing a new

horror film titled little bites was she 157 she's got that baby juice that she's drinking or whatever it is 77 77

she's just plastic now she's just plastic now I might see, yeah, I might see Dali Parton making appearance, Jane Fonda. Let's see, Pete Davidson is teaming up with The Purge created James Demodico for a horror film title of The Home. Why not? Why not? I'm a big Pete Davidson fan. I like everything he's been in. I love his little cameos he does. He's just, he's pop culture personified right now. Yeah, I really want to hate him more than I do. it's hard to hate him man

I know it is he's fucking hilarious he's pretty funny also I don't know if this needs to happen but James Domenico is also confident that the part six will still happen okay is that the last movie or the TV

no the TV show was before everything yeah they're planning on bringing back uh Frank Grillo for the six they probably should probably should probably should uh let's see

any fans of the wednesday series will be happy to know that geno ortega confirms that they plan to ditch the romance stuff and lean more into horror cool all right uh i'll know if you heard about

you probably did hear about this nez a new friday a 13th game coming uh is this after everyone flipped out because they were going to stop adding stuff to the previous one because everyone

ah so yeah everyone was flipping out and then they dropped the news we got another one coming now everyone's like all their butts healed I was mad too

but I wasn't going to take it to Twitter and ah if you that's ridiculous man just give me another movie isn't I heard Twitter's for well hold on Nez is a man that's amongst this guys that did an entire fucking hour-long episode

about a Twitter posting and the people never replied to his Twitter posting. Fuck, yeah, man. But anybody knows about Twitterverse, it's Nez. That was on Instagram when all the shit went down. Oh, man. Let's not revisit that. I'm sorry. No, man.

I got to do a follow-up on that one. But, no, man, that was that, yeah. Go back a few episodes. If you don't like it, don't read it. Hell yeah, motherfuckers. I don't know if there's going to be a new Stephen King documentary called King on screen. Okay. Sure, because we need that.

King on Coke? I'm pretty sure nobody has MGM Plus, but they're getting a new Ed Gein. Oh, they're getting a new Ed Gein documentary, series titled Psycho, the Lost Tapes of Ed Ging. Oh, nice. Who's going to be in it, do you know? I think it's just an actual docu-ducision. They want people to watch it, Lance.

All right, I got you. I got you. Also, loosely, the Buffalo Bill character, I think, based on Ed Ging. I think a lot of characters are based on Ed Ging. Not so loosely. As loosely as Psycho, yeah. Sure. I got MGM Plus, too.

Shout out to Mike. There's an Amityville and origin story documentary on here? Is that what this is? There is. All right. What's this show from? It's pretty fucking good, Ness. You should start it.

I'll just say that. All right, man. More I got to add to the list. Speaking of Stephen King, I had no idea he did the Boogie Man, the short story. need to find it. But I'll give my score on now. And since you guys, I just listened to you guys episode this morning when I was driving back from Reno. I gave it an eight. I thought it was

a really good movie. The new one? Yeah, the new one. The old OG one, I don't remember that one at all. I saw it in the theater when it came out and I I don't remember. You had to remember the scene where the kid jumps in the window and he's like the boogey man and then the window crushes him. He goes, I

I don't remember it. I saw it the one time when it came out when it was brand new, and I don't remember. Garbage. Yeah. The fact that you don't remember, it probably speaks volumes. I listening to you guys,

I was like, I don't remember any of it. And I did, I did go ahead and, pre-order the vinegar syndrome. Because I just kind of, I kind of feel like that movie was kind of cut up and edited.

You're killing me. Let us know. Let us know you're going to be sadly disappointed to have to watch that piece of shit again. I don't know. It's worth it to see that kid get crushed by the window again. The new one, yeah. I give it an eight. That new one was really good.

I remember people was cutting up about it saying, oh, it's this, it's that, it's no good. It's PG-13, so I was expecting that. Sure, sure. I just must be old, and we've seen it all. up to this point. Yeah. So I was in for all the jump scares got me, even though you knew they were coming. They still made me flinch.

I kind of went, ah, a couple times. Little Princess Leia, she was awesome in it. Oh, that's who that is. Yes. Yeah. She was really good. That was like the main reason I went and seen it, only because I know her mom and her dad. They didn't have kids when I knew them.

there was during their their music career. But I thought it was a good movie. I liked it. I'm definitely going to buy that one when it comes out. Some of those kid actors bug the shit out of me. She doesn't. She's cute.

She's no Lulu Wilson. Yeah. She really sold her performance. And I do want one of those moonballs. Yeah. That was shit. I shoot you guys now. That whole time when me and my son went,

So when we were driving home, I was like, I don't know what it was. I mean, always open closets and under the bed thing always freaked me out anyway. And that just triggered it. Because when I got home, I was laying there and I was looking at the closet. Where I lay, I faced the wall in the closets right there. I walked over and shut it. I bet you they got one of these things on Amazon. But I thought it was a really good film.

I enjoyed it. And I'll definitely buy it when it. comes out so yeah i give a the new bogeyman 2023 and 8 well that's a nice segue to the boogeyman director rob savage wants to make a new adaptation of stephen king's the longer lee the langilears is the langilliers oh yeah the one everybody hates with balky maybe he can do it the right way and not have balky in it and taking a espresso with a nice lemon twist you know i'm all right the bill I'll be back just because The Langaleers.

I watched it when it originally aired. I just started with Southwest Airlines. We were watching it at the airport. We worked a late shift, so it was on, like, whatever Sunday, that movie. So there was no planes on the ground. It was really quiet. So we were sitting there watching it.

And when they got to that airport and there was no one around and all this noise and everything, that kind of gave it the extra creepiness. But the ending is what I was like, really? I know. I mean, it was building up to something,

and then we see them, and I was like, ah, they look like little walnuts. Yeah. Teeth. They're like a little Pac-Man. Yeah,

it was the same thing with the stand. That built up to something good. Then just went, same thing with It. All the Stephen King TV ones, just built up until you got to the end. I think, I think the It theatrical movies did a good job with the ending.

I wasn't disappointed with that. That. crappy looking spider cram I didn't like the TV miniseries one but I was pretty happy with the deflated clown

there at the end I thought that was kind of neat Oh in the movie or Yeah I liked it I didn't like it They called him names And they beat him

I didn't like yeah I didn't like chapter two Chapter one Bad clown Bad clown naughty clown Well kind of like The TV series You know

I mean, chapter one's definitely way better. So he's going to remake Langlars? He wants to. But right now, I mean, he's kind of, for me, he hasn't missed. I mean, I liked host. I had fun with, even though a lot of people didn't like Dashcam, I had a lot of fun with it. And I liked the boogeyman, so. There you go.

Three for three. Oh, host was the, the, was that, Pandemic laptop one? Yeah. One. Oh, Rob Savage. Okay. I thought you met the host.

I didn't like that one. I need to watch this again. I like that. That was pretty good. Especially for where the world was at this time. To still make a movie? I thought that was really cool. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially how they did it being like separated and they still like got everything to come together like that. Still made it creepy. because I watched something and the director wasn't in the room he gave them their laptops

gave them their instructions and script what to do said all right action and they recorded it all so I really liked how they did that film that was a good movie have you seen Dash Camp yes I love that movie

I hated that chick but man that movie was elegant that's your home girl Nez oh man that movie was awesome Hey would you invite her to stay at your house Would you let her borrow the keys to your car? Hell no. I'd go to an open mic with her. She had skills at the end.

Right. All right. That's all the news, Lance. All right, man. So, Nez, you ready to go down to the trailer park? I am, but I don't even know what they were. I'll send them to you real quick. Yeah. While Brian's sending them to you,

I'll let everybody know we're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. It's the trailer park. Boys and girls. The trailer park. What do you think, Philip? Help me out here while I'm writing to send them. Big and small and weird.

It's definitely what they are. Meaty, beady, big and bouncy. Wasn't that an album by the Who or something like that? Really quick. Shout out to Bede from Bid versus the living game. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Bean. I was, and Marcus as well, I was on their show a few days ago.

Nice. We discussed Night of the Animated Dead, if you guys haven't seen that one yet. It took me three watches, but I do enjoy it. I don't know when that episode's coming out, but definitely when it comes out, everyone, check it out. All right. First trailer we're going to talk about is another Frankenstein reimagined. because a couple weeks ago we talked about the trailer the angry black girl and her monster this week we're talking about poor things is that yes it's her yeah i'm in far her eyes are that's yeah i'm in i didn't get that at all all right synopsis the incredible tale and fantastical evolution of bella baxter a young woman brought back to life by the brilliant and unorthodox scientist doctor Godwin Baxter.

This stars Emma Stone, Margaret Qualley, Willem Defoe, Mark Ruffalo, Christopher Abbott, and a bunch of other people. This is directed by Yargos,

Lantemos. I think I did a good job on that one. That was great, man. Is Yargos? I could... YARgos. You're great. Greek, your Greek was so on point. I could

practically hear dishes smashing in the background. Thank you. Finney, Lance, you've seen some of his movies. I fucking hate this director. There's not one film that this fucking asshole has made that I like. All the

dialogue is stilted. It's completely, I mean, I know what he thinks he's trying to be the smartest guy in the room and say, I can do this crazy dialogue where it literally sounds like people are reading off cue cards. Everything's stilted.

There's like no emotion in it. And it's just, it drives me fucking up the wall, man. Even the favorite, which was up for some Oscars and a lot of people. That was hell of good. What are you talking about? I love historical.

I love historical dramas, but not this fucking idiot's version. So what do you think about this one? Because I didn't get none of that in this one. I didn't either. I didn't really think it looked like one of his films. I mean, I definitely.

like the look of fucking Norman Osborne. He was, he looked great, man. And Willow is great and everything. Yeah, Willembow looked great. And Mark Ruffalo, to me, is like, kind of overrated. You know, I don't think he's a great actor.

So he's perfect for this director's films. You know, he'll fit right in. But, uh, Emma Stone, he'd get the eyebrows done. Yeah, she's not my best, she's not my favorite actress either of all the time, I don't know. Everything about this screams that I should hate it,

but I really did like the visuals that were in the, that were in the trailer. So I'm going to be a little bit torn on this one. See, I'm kind of like going opposite on that. Like, I feel like it's got a really good cast, and it looks, but it looks like fucking Oscar bait. Like, I kind of don't give a shit. And I mean, if it's good, great, but I doubt it.

Yeah. I'm not the biggest Emma Stone fan. If I was to watch this, I've only seen one movie of the directors, and that was the killing of a sacred deer, which I did not care for. Yeah, that one

was, it took a while. Doctor, I wanted to let you know that my mother died when I was and now you have to pay the price, and it's time for revenge. Go grab a rifle, and I want

everyone to put a big a bag over their heads okay I will put a bag over my head as soon as I get a bag that's pretty that's pretty spot on but I do agree the visuals do look amazing I do like

I do like the story of Frankenstein and Frankenstein's monster and I like that we're getting not basically remakes of the movies but reimagininges with this and the previous trailer of the Angry Black Girl and

the Monster, which is on VOD now if anybody's interested. Brian, at least we're not getting that dark universe or whatever we were supposed to get with that Tom Cruise. I kind of want to see Javier Bar Dem. He was supposed to be Frankenstein. I know. I may still see it.

The rest of that. It was just, and I think that they had a good cast with the Mummy movie. They just did a shitty job. I know. Because that movie was like five different genres in one. It was a comedy. It was an action adventure. It was fantasy, horror. I think that they had shitty writers and not a good director.

But the rest of the pieces were there. All right, Ness. All right, I'm adding that one to the list, Brian. The Mummy. I haven't seen that one in a while. I liked the Tom Cruise Dark Universe one. Theo and I, we liked it. But this film, it looks cool.

I mean, I've only seen the favorite. I thought that was really good. I love that movie. I like the style of what this, what's going on in this trailer. I'm in. I love Emma Stone. I don't know what it is. I like the pale faces with black hair.

And those eyebrows, it look like, you know, on Caterpillars. Okay, bye-bye. I haven't liked her since Superbad, to be honest. Oh, wow. That's when I first seen her was super bad. What the zombie movies that she did? What the hell was that?

Okay. Zombie land. I'll give you that. Hashtag not my Gwen Stacy. No. Oh, yeah. I thought she played Mary Jane Watson, but I was a little off. I didn't like her.

Kristen Dutz is not my Mary Jane either. she played uh... she played uh... Gwen Stacy and I know yeah did you see uh

across the Spiderverse uh we're going I'm going Oh don't no spoilers No spoilers Oh man Oh my god No I gotta see that

Well I said 3D Okay Like Do I need to see it in the theater Yes Yes Because my son And I haven't even seen it

My son said he did not like it at all. Oh, man. It was better than, in my opinion, it was better than the first one. Yeah, I had that to my cool of the week as well. Man, that one was hell of good. I was expecting it to be good, but I didn't, I walked out of the theater like, ah, that movie could have been like five hours long.

Could have blown it. It blew your way, huh? Yes, man. Oh, there's nothing at the end of the credits and everything, but it was good, man. It was one of those, ah, when it was over. I can't wait. It was nuts. If you could see it in IMAX, go see it in IMAX.

Oh, fucking hey, guys. AJ's going to be out of town almost all week in Oklahoma, and all my family's going to be gone. So I'll make a theater trip this week for a change while it's still in 3D. If you have, it's not in 3D. I don't think it's in 3D here, dude. Yep, it's one screen. It's in 3D, and the other it's in Dolby.

We only got IMAX here. So that was, I checked all the things. theater because I wanted to see it in 3D, none of them. Oh, dude, our theater here, I'm so pissed off that it's not in the IMAX screen anymore because they put that fucking Rise of the Beast bullshit in there. Oh, you saw it?

I haven't seen it. I haven't made it. So how's it bullshit? It could be your Top 5 movie of the year. But it's bullshit that they kicked Spider-Man out. I wanted to see it in IMAX, but I'll see it in the next reading. The next big one came. I heard a spoiler about that Transformers movie.

I won't say what it is, but if it's true, I haven't seen the movie yet. I'm all right with it because in the comic book lore, it did go that direction for a limited series. So if they come... Like a fast X type thing? Yeah, if they combine the Transformers with another Marvel property, I'm with it. Yeah. I'm with that. I'm with that.

Cool. Yeah, I'm with that. I mean, go for it. The comic series, it was a limited edition. I liked it. And I think that came from the director. Yeah, so if that's true and that's what they're doing, I'm all with it. I'm all for it.

But I haven't seen this new one yet. I kind of just, but I'll go see it anyway. I'm not a fan of the Transformers movies. I'd rather watch another Transformers movie than another fucking Fast and Furious movie. I haven't even seen that yet. I did it. Oh, that's, that's, that's, that's out there. I know, I saw that.

Jason, James, at his most flamboyant. And my girl's in that too, so I need to watch that and Dungeons and Dragons. Let's see. Poor things. September 8th.

Okay. Get a little bit of a wait then. Now for, Oscar season, Philip, Oscar season. I'm telling you, so it looks like Oscar bait. Yeah. I had no idea. It was a Frankenstein thing.

I didn't know. Now, what's probably going to be the next entry in the Cage Rage series at the four returns. It's got to be it. Sympathy for the devil. Sorry. Sympie! Nicholas Cage and Joel Kinnaman. A lot of people will say, not my Robocop.

Oh, man. That's who he is. I've become a Kenemann convert since the Apple Plus TV series that he's in. But go ahead. All right, sympathy for the devil. After being forced to drive a mysterious passenger at gunpoint, a man finds himself in a high-stakes game of cat and mouse where it becomes clear that not everything is as it seems.

Okay, great description. Director is Yuval Adir. That sounds way too close to Yu-Bul. I do not recognize anything he is done But I will jump in here first and say I do like the visuals Nick Cage is at his fucking craziest And I love it He got all dressed up for the movie

He tried to be he tried to come 100% sex Or whatever his line was And I like the I like the cat and mouse aspect of it, you know, and I'm very curious on why did he just randomly take Joel Keniman or is Joel Kinnaman chosen for a specific reason? And is Nick Cage the devil or is he just a crazy guy with red hair? Yeah, I honestly don't even really care about the plot. You had me at Nick Cage. I know, same here. And just watching him do his Nick Cage thing, that's enough for me.

I'll go away. Oh, there's some scenes in this trailer. He goes full cage. Yeah, for sure. Full Cade. Full Mandy on the toilet drinking vodka, full Nick Cage. Which as much as I had fun with the old ways. Yes.

He does. I will, spoiler. He doesn't go full cage in that movie. Yeah. but this one looks like he does yeah is that that cowboy movie yeah is it good I liked it

it was something different for him you know I mean the last few movies I've seen he's done that one with the Mandalorian that was good right Renfield was hell of good yeah sure there was another one I watched too I can't remember

but yeah I'm in on this one this one looks pretty good he's gonna be all nuts and crazy and I was like, I didn't really pay attention to the title. I thought it was another vampire. Oh, he's the devil. Well, I don't know yet. But I'm in. It looks pretty good.

And that fake robocop? Yeah, hashtag not my robo cop. I thought we were going to get another one. What happened to that? Wow. I don't tell you. Well, right now we're not getting anything because we're a writer's strike. So, yeah.

Support all the writers, everyone. I'm just disappointed about that. So I'll see. I support you. Lance, what did you think? I can't wait, man. It's going to be fun. Yeah, just a couple of seconds into this trailer, I knew what we were getting.

And like I said, I used to dislike Kahneman that I thought he was kind of just sort of a rote actor, just kind of playing this part. But last couple of roles I've seen him in, like I said, that new Apple Plus TV series that he's in, where we're in the alternate universe where the Russians landed on the moon first. he's really good in that. The last couple of movies I've seen him, and I like him quite a bit. He's just kind of like your every man,

but I do agree with you that he's hiding something. There's something going on. There's more than meets the eye. And is Nick Cage really the devil, or is he just some crazy nut job? But I did love the, I love this line that he had where he said, everybody keeps telling me that,

even my psychiatrist, or what was it that he said? I think he said Yeah, I think that's pretty close to what he said. So, obviously he has just a fruit cake And that red hair, man. I think that's the first thing I've seen Nick Cage with bright red hair.

Nick Cage could play the Joker, couldn't he? Couldn't he pull it off? Oh, fucking for sure. That'd be great. Yeah, I'm all in. 100% in.

Phil, you give your thoughts? Yeah, man. Like I said, I'm in Nick Cage I don't even really care about the plot

of the movie it looks like he's going full Nick Cage and I'm excited about that I'll watch anything that he's in

at this point yeah all right July 28th oh right around the corner so uh B'd Marcy

get ready yes Marcus Marcus if you want to jump in be ready yeah Marcus come on I know he appreciates Cage Rage.

Yes. Who doesn't appreciate Cage, Rage? Come on. I've seen some people that I don't think they get it. I'm sure there's many people that don't get it. But like anytime I hear anybody talking shit about Nick Cage, that's my first thought. I'm like, ah, yes. I don't get it.

All right. That's the final trailer. Unless you guys have any thoughts on Expendables 4. Not yet. Not yet, but I will. Let me see the trailer. They did do that stupid thing where they put the number in the title. Yes.

Fast and Furious, eat your heart out, right? It's like expendophores or expendable or seven for that matter. There is a large action mystery in the old folks' home. We have to figure it out. All right. Speaking to Arnold, if you guys want to do, watched that Fubbar show?

I tried to start it again. I started it. I had to go do stuff. And I was, and Lance, I tried to start that hypnotic movie,

but I had to run out the house. That's all right. There's time. There's time. We're getting Megan Fox and big thumbs and expendables for?

Big thumbs. All right. I'm in. Oh, boy. You guys don't know what I'm talking about. Google or thumbs. in the trailer her and

her and statham have a for play fight sex scene that implies he goes down on her and she's like back

and who wouldn't and no makeup will not be messed up but uh you get uh you get Tony John eco Uways from uh the

the raid the raid that is okay okay Well, as long as they get a good fight coordinator, I think that's cool. We get 50 in this one too. Okay, Phil, we get some feedback. Yeah, we'll roll on to feedback.

This week we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on the nightclub. Welcome to the nightclub. We are a coven of cosmic Cajuns on a quest through the mad and the macabre. a podcast dedicated to the dark. Join us. We perform midnight rituals in which we have in which we

palaver in our dimly lit cabin about horror films as well as some sword and sorcery flicks when we venture over to the ruins of Castle Moon Skull. That sounds

like it came from He-Man. Often Sometimes a particular topic ties in with the films we discuss. Otherwise, we'll just tangent off into subjects such as cryptids, true crime, paranormal conspiracy, dark history, and other vestiges of esoteria. Check it out. So the nightclub. All right. And we got an email from Brandon Starochi.

Sterochi. He says, hello. I am Brandon Storrochi. The creator and writer of Avalon. I don't know why. He's probably not Dracula. Of Avalon comic. Avalon is a zombie comic that doesn't focus on a hero's journey.

Instead, the whole castle family is... Oh, they had a castle! Is the main protagonist. You understand that this family has a disarranged past and that affects their lives and attempt to do. deal with the new pandemic. We are wondering if we can come on your show and talk horror about Avalon. Please let me know.

Yes, especially if you have a Romanian accent, that sounds entirely awesome. If you don't have one, you can still come on. I know, that's true. But it'd be way cooler if you did, man. I've already emailed back, so wait for a response. We'll see where it goes. and an email from Philly the Kid not me I swear to God

Are you sure that's not you? Yeah I would like to submit her for a view of a horror black or slash black comedy indie feature film I created called Oops, you're a vampire Which was just released

With a Romanian accent Which was just released on VOD By Lionheart distribution Oops! was my first flick and a labor of love produced through over three years. The original title was thicker than water. The Vampire Diaries Part 1. And I like Oopsie or Vampire better.

Yeah, I see the accent. I never released it at the time, though it attained a bit of cult status through the industry buzz. It had a nice run on a festival circuit, including awards in Best Director, Best Makeup, Best Act, in categories for three female leads. Officianados of the genre seem to regard it as a milestone of micro-budget horror. It was one of the first cinematic attempts to treat vampirism as something natural, real, and commonplace. A few critics have remarked that the end of Mike Flanagan's Midnight Mass, there's a little homage to it. Hmm.

Huh. So you can judge for yourself. Wow. We're going to check out the screener for this one and send an invite to join the show for sure. Yep. Because that sounds cool. Oops, you're a vampire. You've got to be on the, if you're listening, you've got to be on the show. We're going to, guys, we can all watch the movie, log in through the Hort Returns Gmail account.

And the full screener is right there. So, check it out. Yeah, I'm going to check it out this week. Good cast. All right. Yeah, we'll definitely watch that one. regarding yellow jackets oh which is another thing that i started this week oh i've got to start man so far behind we'll let marcus will turn or tell it like it is because okay he's the writer

of the group uh while getting lost on the uh uh i don't even know fuck word that is he already got that's why you do listener feedback i know cacophony while lost in the cacophony of violent incoherent and shocking events, the sophomore season of Yellow Jackets finds its footing early, runs the gauntlet towards the middle section, only to surprisingly stumble in the season finale. Oh, badly. This by no means is a statement of its overall quality sinking from a brilliant first season, but a mere mention of the creators knowing the captivated audience is in it for the long haul, thereby throwing more queries into the already enigmatic story.

Or just keeping the overall one intact and questionable throughout. Fortunately, the struggles and traumas are present while being further fleshed out thanks to the connective framing device of showing the year our characters are stranded in the woods as teenagers succumbing to ravenous hunger, madness, and eerie scenarios befalling them. and the present day where their adult lives continue to be ruthlessly affected in a variety of ways because of what happened to them and their destroyed youth. Could not have put it better myself. That's why we just read your shit, man. But there's more.

The performances from both sets of actors in the past and present day are astounding that they are. The parallels between each painting more of a complete picture and understanding. of just how broad and multifaceted this whole endeavor lies. Though, like I stated before, what betrays their performance a bit is the story staying the exact same without completely revealing many answers or having more transpire. At this point, we understand plenty of the plot threads and just want them to reach some sort of closure so that the new ones can come into fruition. Ah, okay. So he thinks they're dragging it out a bit, a little better call Saul style maybe. Yeah, I was going to say that sounds very lost-e.

Or lost-y. However, no matter what the narrative may, no matter where the narrative may take us, which hopefully promises more levels of insanity and what the fuck isms. Genical word there. As long as the performances stay strong, will go from the dredges of survivalists suffering,

the heights of human complexities, right along with the rest. Either way, I can't wait to see how deeper and darker this goes. Rating is 8 out of 10. Dang, Marcus, you should write for somebody. I'm telling you. It's got to be like for a fucking magazine.

Brian posted a poll. Devin Saba wants to play Freddie Cooger. I don't think he can pull it off. Comment below. So far 90% of the responders are behind it. Ah. Hunter Dunbar?

Hunter Dunbar. Hutter Dunbar is Freddie Kruger. I'd rather see Moose is Freddie Kruger. I know. Why not? Kelly Lee can do it. Hunter Dunbar can do it. Hold on.

I got to leave. You wanted Moose as Nancy, didn't you? Right. I was just thinking of like, sorry, I got to leave your dream. I got to go poo. I'll be right back. Can't sleep long. Got to poo.

Or like he's got the glove on, Brian, but he's also wearing. in the jacket from the Hunter Dunbar movie. Tim Davis says it, says Hunter Dunbar is Freddie Kruger. Zim Vader says he looks rapier than Robert England, so that's a good start.

Mark Zipagia says, I think he would do a great job. He's a versatile actor, and if they want to new Freddie, why not go with a genre experienced actor with a great range. Yeah. Why not? Okay.

And we're going to welcome our new members, Kimmy Barrett, Linda Dishman Lane, Justin Wolmack, and Chris Hinton. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you guys for joining us.

Welcome. Don't have soft skin. Regarding a sleepaway camp, Ariel Wellman says so cringy. Nas, that's what are your favorites. Don't have soft skin, Naz. I still got to send you those those little...

I know you get the autographs. No, the little sound clips. Oh, that's right. That's right. We got sound bites. Yeah, I got to send you those. Shane Hammersmith posted, Name a Horror movie you would watch just for the music.

Hmm. Good question. Charlie Sites says Halloween 1978 and Halloween 2 1981 That's a good one I think I think I got my My pick I put midsumar at first

But I think I'm going to go more with the last year's smile Huh Great soundtrack Great that soundtrack made that fucking movie Yeah I remember you're talking a lot about the The sound in it Yeah Regarding the Amidaville

curse uh... Katie Pollock says this looks like a cross between Ambyville and Hunting of Hill House also as usual a trailer shows too much

in my opinion I wonder wonder if it'll be streaming in the UK they don't have a new to be exclusive they don't have two in the UK I'm sure they have in Australia

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On to our featured attractions. This week, it's our third in a series of psychological horror retrospectives with The Silence of the Lambs and seven. We're going to start with Silence of the Lambs from 1991. Oh agents darling you think you can dissect me with this blown little tool. No, I thought that your knowledge. You're so ambitious aren't you? Do you know what you look like to me with your good bag and your cheap shoes?

You look like a robe, a well scrub. hustling room with a little taste. Good nutrition has given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starring? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed, pure West Virginia. What is your father dear, is your coal miner,

does his stinkable land? You know how quickly the boys found you are those tedious, sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars, while you could only dream of getting out. Get it anywhere. Getting all the way to be... You see a lot, doctor?

When are you strong enough to point that? High power to perception at yourself. What about it? Why don't you, why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Maybe you're afraid to. A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some father beans

and a nice kianti. You fly back to school now, a little, starting. The young FBI cadet must receive the help of an incarcerated and manipulative cannibal killer to catch another serial killer, a madman who skins his victims. Director is Jonathan Dem, also known for Philadelphia and Beloved. Writer is Ted Talley, based on the novel by Thomas Harris. Jody Foster claims that during the first meeting between Dr. Hannibal Lecter and Clever, Sir Anthony Hopkins, I forgot. His mocking her southern accent was improvising on the spot.

Foster's horrified reaction was genuine since she felt personally attacked. Oh, wow. She later thanked Hopkins for generating such an honest reaction. In preparation for this role, Anthony Hopkins studied files of serial killers. He also visited prisons, studied convicted murderers, and was present during some court hearings concerning gruesome murderers and serial killings. Also, he acted insane, which is kind of the whole point of the thing. Silence of the Lambs. Brian, you want to start us off on this one?

Yeah, this is definitely a classic. The cast is amazing. Sir Anthony Hocken Sorry, I almost did the same thing Jody Foster, Ted Levine What's his name? I played the Lawrence Fishburn role. Scott Glenn?

Yes, Scott Glenn. That dude aged quickly, huh? Yes, he did. He seriously aged since then. Yeah, I just like all the interactions with Clarice and Hannibal

just the back and forth, just the way Hopkins plays this character. If you notice, there's long periods of time where he's talking and he's not blinking or anything.

It's just cold and creepy. I still want to know what he said to what's that guy's name? Multiple Migs. The guy he made, his cellmate, not his cellmate,

the guy next to him, he made him swallow his own tongue. Yeah, I was curious about that too. was like, how did he make him swallow his own tongue? He's like totally encased in glass. The guy who made him, the guy who made, that yelled out, I can smell your feet.

That's sorry. That's no living color skits. He said something like that. Yeah, just the whole true crime aspect of the movie, the everything with Ted Levine is Buffalo

Bill was just creepy. Yeah. Never get in the van first to help someone on the side of the road, move a couch. I hate to say it. You might get mad at me, but that's kind of on you. Well, and we've seen that more than once in a couple of movies. She had her gut instinct.

You could see she was, whether she should help him or not, and then you get in the van first, and he tells you to go deeper in. No, dude. don't do that what are you doing you are under no obligation to help that guy right and all the scares

all the horror is just psychological because there's not really any blood or anything not not really until the very end right when he breaks out and I think that's just talent of the performances of

the of the cast that they were able to portray these characters and just kind of scare you and put ideas in your head. There's a lot that was said that didn't even need to be shown because I just think they just told this story excellently. And it's definitely an all-time classic. Yeah, one best picture they're here, didn't it?

Yep. Yeah, wow. Didn't Jody Foster get nominated to? She won, and so did Anthony Hopkins. Holy shit. Makes sense. Nez, what do you think? Oh, this movie's hell of good.

I love it. I had no idea what it was when it first came out. I had just gotten with my wife, so let's go to movies. And I was like, I didn't care. A nice family movie. I didn't care. I just wanted to spend time with her. Sure, sure.

And, yeah, you know where that goes, everyone. If you're a man, you know. Some women, you too. But anyway, it's not that kind of show. but she was like yeah I hear this movie's good and I was like okay well what's it about and she was explaining it but I was too busy just there was a lot of times where I wasn't listening

I was just so staring at her tities yeah that too so we sat in the back and there was some scenes that we missed but we just got together everyone you need to be with RSI on that after dark show we just got together everyone so when you're at the movies in the very back row anyway it was pg 13 no no no x but um this was that was only like in the beginning

when nothing was really happening but once uh hannibal lector and all that got on the screen now that's when i was like okay i'm in on this one i love anthony hopkins i've always love jody foster since freaky friday you did nes you didn't pull the cape beer in the theater man and pull out a cigar and all the scariest parts you just start laughing. No, I didn't do it with you. But once the movie was said and done it was over, I was like, damn, that was hell of good.

I went and saw it again, like, by myself, because I wanted to see the parts that I missed. But this is kind of sentimental for my wife and I. This was the first movie we saw together, so it's like our movie. The kids have all seen it. sounds the lambs yeah mine was Jurassic Park

my wife was pregnant during Jurassic Park when that one came out at least he was after hi-o but I thought this movie was amazing Jody Foster like I said I've loved her since Freaky Friday

and everything after that I just didn't really care for that movie contact that everybody loves it was all right but yeah It was fucking boring. Yeah. It sat in the theater like, come on, something happened.

Give me some aliens. No, but this movie is amazing. I'm kind of happy she didn't continue this role. Yeah. With Hannibal and all that. They followed the books. They followed the books. I kind of like they didn't, she didn't go all in with it and everything.

But the movie in a whole, it's an amazing film. Everybody in it did their job. Everybody's performances was awesome. Frankie Faison, I don't know if you guys know. He's been in all four movies. Barney. Yeah. He was a cop and Manhunter.

Then he was the orderly in this one. No shit. It was cool. Okay. The Manhunter one I didn't know about. It was cool that he came back in Hannibal in the beginning. And then he reprised his role as in Red Dragon, basically, manhunter

but yeah this movie's amazing I love it I this is one of those ones I haven't seen it in a while

but if I'm flipping the channels and it's on no matter what part it's on I'll watch it to the end because I just

thought this movie was amazing and this is one of the main at all the horror shit that I've watched up to this point

1991 yeah I mean I learn everything from movies not to get in vans not to answer the phone

not to answer the door not to go investigate that sound and this one hell no man that's why we're still here and it real quick and I was just thinking back

I was thinking about the movie now we're talking about it there she does portray how hard it was for a female to be in the FBI coming up as an agent coming up as a student sexual harassment too yeah because you get that scene where they go investigate the body and

Scott Glenn kind of talks down on her in front of the other cops that are in the room and later on he said you know i just had to do that for them you know how it is and then she's just like no i don't you know don't do it again good on her good on her he was throwing it at her even that one uh little nerdy guy with the with the bugs oh you just wanted to take her to get cheeseburgers and beer then she asked are you hitting on me and he was like yeah

he was straight up about eating he did he was like Are you buying it? She's like, no. I wasn't sure if he was looking at her or not the way his eyes were. He's kind of bug-eyed, huh? My favorite scene in this was at the end when she was down the basements and then it just went. She turned the lights off and it went all black. Amazing.

Like, what would you do other than fire in every direction? I know. Oh, man. She's lucky She's lucky that he was so fucking arrogant That he just felt he had the control, you know? Yeah. Otherwise, you would have been long gone.

Yeah. Have you guys seen that TV show they came out with, Clarice? I tried. I heard about it. I watched the first. I kind of was interested because the first episode, the girl that was in the well, she's in that first.

episode, not the actress, but that character. Yes. And they kind of touch on her having PTSD, of course, from being kidnapped, and she still owns, still has his dog with her. Yeah. Oh. That was the weird

about the end of it. I'm like, oh, I just keep the dog? All right. The other thing I loved about, I mean, there are weirdos and creeps out there that are like this. Sure. Yeah. I mean, don't matter if you're female, males too man you just gotta always look even if you live in the safest neighborhood in the world keep keep your eye look over your shoulder no matter what man

look at one of those sex offenders registries for a second they're funny richard richard brachian richard break and barbarian when that neighborhood was nice and kept up yeah yeah who would ever suspected that right i don't know man he looks weird anyway he's kind of acting weird when when people actually talk to him. I met him a couple times, yeah, he was cool.

He was weird. He was great. But yeah, Signs of the Lambs. This movie is awesome. I love it. Wouldn't let him babysit my kids, don't. No. Lance, what did you think about this one?

Man, I've been a fan of Jody Foster since Candle Shep. shoe. You remember that one? Yeah. The old Disney movie. No, this movie when I saw it had a big impact on me. It inspired me to read all the books.

And I really fell in love with the Hannibal Electric character, especially when you understand, and then of course, you know, as you guys know, Brian and I are watching the series for our Patreon show that we're putting up

from time to time. Yeah, we're We're getting there. We're more than halfway done. But it's just, it's so cool how he's such a gentleman, and he just doesn't abide by rudeness. And he just plays by his own set of moral ethics and whatnot. But he's, you know, obviously, you know, completely insane. Yeah, because you get that scene at the end where he breaks out. And Jody Foster, Clary's, she's talking to her friend at the academy. And she's like, oh, he won't.

He's not going to come after me. he would consider that rude. And he would. And he absolutely would. He's got, I love him. Even though he's a completely insane psychotic killer. He is,

but he's, like this guy seems like the most dangerous, like, especially from this movie, seems like the most dangerous human being on the planet. And that's, that's what makes him so great, man. Yeah,

huge Lechter fan. I love this movie. I think Jody Foster was, was great in it. All the casting was good. And, I don't need to I don't need to talk too much about this one

because everybody who knows me knows how much I love the Thomas Harry's books and the electric character so this one's obviously going to be up there for me, no doubt. Is this performance from Ted Levine is this one of those performances where you can't really think of anything else?

Yeah, once you tuck your dick, that's a deal breaker. I'll tell you what. Ted Levine is a very versatile actor because he's been in a lot of... We've seen a couple of other movies that he's been in. One of them was that found footage movie that he was so good in. But he was in like a TV series, The Bridge, that was out, I don't know, like five or six years ago on FX. And he was really, really, really good in that as a Border Patrol agent.

And he's very, to me, he's super versatile. I can picture him in any role. Because he can be a really cool. good guy or he can be this completely insane nutcase but he pulled off the role but to me Ted Levine's super versatile although now

every time I think about that scene I think about a Jay from James Holland Bob and Thursday he talked it back too what were you going to say NAS you fuck me I'd fuck

Joyride okay that's the movie he was in he didn't even show me Joyride. It was just the voice. Yeah. Candy cane. Yeah. I was like, what movie was it

when he was just talking? That was a good one. That's what I'm saying. Like, when you hear his voice, like, I think the last thing I seen him in before this was I rewatched heat. Yeah. So when he starts talking, I'm just going to

somebody going to get the fucking lotion. I know. It puts the lotion in the basket. Batman shot him in the throat. And he... Played a phenomenal fucking psychotic person. This movie was great to me.

And you got to remember, it's before you really know anything about Hannibal Lecter. And so if this is the first you've ever heard or seen of him, Anthony Hopkins is fucking terrifying. And like this movie's really not about him, but he just chews up scenery

every time he's in it, you know? And I think he did great. I think Jody Foster did great. Even though I'm not a huge Jody Foster fan. I never really saw the big Jody Foster fandom thing that existed. Like, did somebody shoot it the president because of Jody Foster? Oh, that's right. Yeah, from the ex-driving role.

We shot Ronald Reagan. Yeah. I was like, wait, for Jody Foster, I don't understand. Well, dude, this was a different. for time. This was the 80s. Well, I know, but like, I never understood it then. I never, I never thought she was that hot. I never, I mean, she's

a very good actress. Dude, crazy is as crazy does, Philip. I guess. I like them foxes, too. Yeah. Wow, that's been a while. Nell was pretty good. I remember that one.

But, yeah, no, I thought she did really well in this one. Great cast. Anthony Hopkins, just killed it Buffalo Bill killed it also did a fucking fantastic job

that one guy that one guy did a fucking excellent job because you fucking hate him every time he did Dr. Chilton oh yeah for sure you're like that's all right you got a fucking tie

yeah he's like over the top asshole he'll get his he'll get his but I mean, it was, it definitely, the fact that it won best picture says something. I really love that it did. I wish we could get back to some shit like that instead of, you know, right, some bullshit movie that nobody's ever fucking seen. Yeah, Naz, weren't you and Theo saying that this movie was not allowing like Fangoria onto their set and stuff like that?

Yeah, because they didn't think it was, um, Bang and Gorya material. I mean, I agree with them. It wasn't, but... It was more of a thriller, really, than a horror movie. That's what I said. I mean, some people go, like, oh, this is one of the best horror movies ever. I'm like...

Right. You're playing pretty loose with the word horror. I mean, but they do do that now. It's a crime thriller, which I love. I love some crime thrillers, man. And this is one of the best of them that has ever been made. But... I am the...

IMDB has it down as crime drama thriller. I'm more with that. Yes, there's horrific stuff in it. But I just didn't think it was a horror movie. I just thought it was a crime drama. I take the term from Friends of the Show, the Nightmare Junkhead podcast. They use the term horror adjacent. It's not horror, but it's elements.

And anytime there's a really good crime thriller, it usually, has some aspects of really horrific shit. Yeah, I mean, you have a guy that kills and eats people. Yeah. And then you got another guy that kills women and wears their skin. Where's their face? But like, Hannibal Lector in this movie feels like he could kill at will and get away with anything that he wanted to. And he does.

And it's terrifying. Like, he is. He's always seven steps ahead of the... exactly yeah he's playing like 70 chess and everybody else is playing checkers yeah Clarice if you're thinking about recording this call don't bother it won't be long enough but I'm having an old friend for dinner yeah tools he's he's fantastic man he's so good Anthony Hopkins is great man I love it um all right let's do scores Brian what do you think 10 damn all right there's uh nothing I can really

say bad about this movie. I've been listening to everybody give their reviews on it and there's the story's fantastic. The acting's fantastic. Like I said, things were said

and not shown and it was affected to me and then when they were shown it was like the when he attacked the nurse and they were telling that whole story. They show her the picture. They don't show us.

I thought that was great. That is good. Yeah. Our minds were creating what we thought happened to her, and we didn't need to see that. And I thought that was fantastic. So, yeah, this is an all-time classic. Best of the Hannibal Lecter series of movies, shows, whatever? I do like Mads Mikkelson as...

I know. It's up there. but he's also not Anthony Hopkins he's a different animal lector yeah so Ryan Coggs did him justice Ryan Cox was good too and man hunter but as far as far as the

movies this is the best out of all the movies oh definitely uh Ness what do you think oh this is a 10 this one's a hell of good and I love this film officially stands where are those t-shirts those hell of good t-shirts

Oh, we should get one of those. Now, they're coming. I've got to sit down on my designer. Lance, what do you think? The movie's a super, super solid eight on ten. And the Thomas Harris book is a nine on ten. All right. Why is this an eight?

This is an eight on ten because this is like up there. For me, eight, eight means that it's in super rare air. like it's going to be a guarantee, if it's eight or higher, for me, it's going to be a guaranteed top ten movie. Like Valerian and whatever. And this absolutely made it. So, but

I did, in fact, well, the movie got me to read the books, but I did enjoy the books more than the film. So. Pet Cemetery is higher than this. Moving on. Hey, you heard me. Remed. that is.

Actually, Renfield, dude, Renfield was hired than this for me. I gave Renfield, Riffield's my

top-rated movie of the year, man. I don't know about that. It's in my top 10, but yeah. Renfield was pretty badass,

but I think a lot of, there's a lot of horror to go. Like, we still have 30 days of October and that was action horror. Probably should have put it in news,

but if anybody has Peacock, Renfield is now streaming on Peacark. Oh, it is nice. On the cock. Watching it later. I'm gonna join in with the crew I think this is a classic

classic horror I mean not really horror but it's probably the best crime thriller out there so far into crime thriller territory that it borders on horror which

kind of puts it along the lines of exorcists as far as horror goes I think that it deserves it Wow. Holy shit. I think it deserves that best picture category, and I wish that they would give more real movies that best picture. Nod.

Maybe Dune Part 2, guys. Maybe, maybe. We'll see. Hopefully it's good. But yeah, this one deserved it at 10. All right. It's a classic. We all love it.

All right. On two seven I saw you with a box Who was in the box? Because I envy your normal life Look a gun down, baby It seems that envy is my sin Oh, what's in the box?

Not to you, give me the gun. What's in the fucking box? Give me the gun. He just told you. You lie! You're a fucking liar! Shut up! That's what he wants.

He wants you to shoot him. No! No! You tell me, you tell me That's not true. That's not true. Become vengeance, David. Oh, it's all right.

You tell him. Become wrath. Tell me she's alright! You see murder of suspect, David? No! Just throw it all the way, he knows. No! She begged for her life, Detective.

Shut up! She begged for her life. Shut up. And for the life of the baby inside of her. He didn't know. If you kill him, he will win. The actual number seven as the V. I had a hard time with that when I was searching for it,

because it's not really on any of the streaming services as of now. Hard to fun. Showtime maybe. Whatever. Something you have to pay for. But 1996. Two detectives, a rookie

and a veteran, hunt for a serial killer who uses the seven deadly sins as his motives. Director is David Fincher, also known for Alien 3 and Fight Club. Ryder is Andrew Kevin Walker,

also known for Sleepy Hollow, and brain scan. New Line Cinema executives originally balked at the film's ending, but Brad Pitt refused to make the film if its ending was changed. Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt bought his own ties for the movie. He wanted Mills to have a poor fashion sense. Ouch, I kind of like this.

So, wait, is he saying he has poor fashion sense? I don't know. Brad Pitt fell while filming the scene in which Mills chases John Doe in the rain Pitt's arm went through a car windshield requiring surgery and the accident Wow The accident was worked into the script coincidentally The original script called for Detective Mills to be injured during the sequence So holy shit

I guess the cast was real Is that That was in the movie Yeah when he got hurt when he was chasing him. So that was his actual blood? Yeah, I guess that was a real injury, man. Huh.

That's fucking crazy, dude. Way to tough that out, man. I like it. Fucking Brad Pitt, dude. He gets more and more respect for me every day. I know. That's why I picked just Brad Pitt trivia for this. Brian, what did you think about seven?

This is another time. another crime, thriller, psychological thriller, classic. Everybody kills it in this. Morgan Freeman is

excellent in this. I like Brad Pitt as his new, kind of know-it-all, young-faced detective. I even, I'm not a big fan of Guinefoutreau,

but the way she played his, Brad Pitt's wife, I felt bad for her that she had to move to the city and just basically change her entire life and just was miserable. At least you didn't have to deal with it too long.

Oh, yeah. Sorry. What's in the box? Were you watching it? I totally forgot the fucking shaft was in here as the district attorney, Richard Roundtree. You're damn right. Arly Irmy was

Oh yeah, I forgot about him. It was a different role for him because I mean, he's clearly Arley Irmy when he's you see him as the police chief, but he's like not over the top yelling, you know, threatening a skull fuck somebody or anything like that.

It had his best line when they were sitting there talking and the phone ring and he had, this ain't even my desk. And I felt like that was ad-lived. Yeah. He was just like, they probably had to try it on to laugh. Yeah, we're filming a scene and he was like,

this ain't my desk. let's see john c mcginley as the swat commander he's a typical asshole self he usually plays in the movies just but the whole storyline trying to catch these uh killers

that you know at first they don't know that the the murders are connected then they find out you know it has to do it to seven deadly sins Morgan freeman is telling them you know there's going to be five more and then it just it's like a cat and mouse game they're they're trying to

to find out who the killer is, but the killer is just like always a step ahead of them. And then it gets revealed who it is, which when I first seen this, I didn't even know he was even in the movie. Because I wasn't even paying attention. And when he showed up, I was just like, oh, so, well, we can spoil it. Kevin Spacey. Yeah, John Doe. Yeah, John Doe. And the ending was something I didn't see coming.

You know, it's joked about now, like the what's in the box. the whole that him and John Doe are the last two sins Yeah Right Was crazy

Like I didn't even see That coming And for his And A I don't I don't blame Brad Pitt's character Especially when it's

It gets revealed That his wife Was pregnant Yeah I did Got another clip And put it in my gun And empty that clip

Too So See yeah feel like that's too easy. Maybe he could have like pulled the knife out and just cut his face off. Morgan Freeman did carry a switchblade on him. He was surrounded by a bunch of lawmen, so it would have been kind of hard to do that. They would have never got there that.

Hell no. Land in a helicopter. No, I don't know. Do some shit before they showed up for sure. He would be dead, but he'd be wishing he was. His dick would have been in his mouth by the time. Which deadly sin is that? But even the practical effects on all the murder victims was fantastic.

Even the guy, I forgot what sin it was, the one that was in the bed and they were feeding him drugs and stuff. Lethargy, not lethargy. What do they call it? Sloth. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sloth was the one behind the kitchen. Or was that gluttony? That's gluttony.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sloth was on the wall. All right. I remember. Yeah. Which that was, that would have, if I was that, uh, no, actually, it was John C. McGilley, wasn't it? That he's scared. That he said he still was. Yeah, I would have quit my fucking job. Right. Oh, shit. That happened. I probably looked like a zombie. But yeah, this is another classic horror adjacent. It's not horror. crime thriller, but it's definitely a classic. And what a fucking cast, man.

Yeah. Doesn't get a whole lot better than that. Nez, what do you think? Oh, I... Get a hell of a good stamp? Yes, I love this film. A friend of mine just passed a few weeks ago,

last month, and this was one of the movies we went and seen together. Shout out to my girl, Mel. I love you, and I miss you. But when we were, we went and saw this uh shout out to mike as well he told me to go see this how bad i could see mike all over this he was like dude you got to go see this so it was playing like at it

at the last run it was it was just break it to yank uh from the theater was a thursday night i went picked up my girl and went and we saw that she goes what's it about i'm like i don't have no idea mike told me to go see it right i didn't even know what it was i just walked in said seven i saw the poster okay brad pitt margan freeman all right let's go So the movie got going and oh my God, I was just glued in to the whole thing. For some reason, I thought it was going to be a horror movie. Just the way it started and how the poster looks. It looks all evil and everything.

So I was like, all right, cool. But the movie. The Trent Resner intro with the credits. Yeah. I didn't even watch the trailer, so I had no idea what this movie was about. I didn't even get the seven deadly sin things until the movie was going. That's good. So I was totally clueless on what this movie was. So when it was said and done and over, I was like, damn, that movie was hell of good.

I went and saw it again. There was this theater in San Francisco that it was like the dollar theater. So it was making this dollar theater run. So it was in the hood. I didn't like going there, but I had to see this. Was it a dollar? Huh? Was it a dollar?

Back when it was a dollar. Because we have a dollar theater here. Oh, it used to be a dollar. It's like five bucks. Brian, you're a kid. You don't remember it, man. As a and I know the struggle. I would go to the 10 a.m.

dollar movie and sneak into each theater afterwards and see like five days in a day for a buck. I did that too. Mike and I, again, bringing him up, we went, we saw heat at a dollar theater. Yep. Yeah. So, because it was already pulled and it was like, you got to see heat. until we found it at a dollar theater, so we hadn't seen it. So I went and saw it again at the dollar theater, and I was the only one sitting in there.

And, oh, man, I love this movie. Another movie, there's plenty of movies where I can watch from beginning and end, no matter what scene it's on. This one I love, I've seen it, I don't know how many times. Everything in it was amazing. I didn't know who Kevin Spacey was until I was like, I've seen him in other things. and then I went back and started watching older films where he was not the star but he was in.

I was like, okay. Like the Raff and stuff like that. Even I think Outbreak was before this one. I think this before or after I can't remember. Or see you don't hear no English. Go listen to that review. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. That too. Usual suspects. Usual suspects. I think that came. Was that before this?

That's the same year. Same year. Okay. but I was like I loved it I loved how they didn't put his name in the credits until the end I thought that was really cool because as soon as the movie was over

and then it said John Doe, Kevin Spacey I don't know if he's ever going to have a career again we don't want to get into that yeah anyway but his performance in this that happens when you rape kids

oh this is a family show his performance fucking raping kids God damn it his performance in this was amazing Brad Pitt

I mean is he good in everything not everything I mean if you guys saw a cool world I didn't really care for that film but I might disagree with you I didn't like that one man

what is the first movie you guys seen Brad Pitt in California no it was one he did with them Legend. Delman Louise. No, it was in the 80s.

Really? Yeah, I just recently watched it, but I remember seeing it at the drive-in. He wasn't the star, or he was one of the stars, but he wasn't Brad Pitt then. He was just some young, good-looking kid on the TV's on the movie screen. God damn, I cannot remember. That's how he was. Louise, I don't think he was anybody big. Have you guys ever seen a movie called Across the Tracks?

where he played a track star. No. This was like, he looked like he was probably maybe 18, 19, 20 years old. Oh, wow. Like Emilio Estevez and the breakfast club, young.

Yeah, like that young. Okay. What the hell was, I remember he had a head of the class. Played his delinquent brother. He had of the class. Ricky Schroeder. This is the first one I'd seen.

He'd been in some other things I've seen, but this is the one that I remember like in the theater was a movie called Cutting Class. I remember the name. Like a slasher? If I remember right. Yeah, because it was him.

Who the hell else was in this? The main girl, Jill Shulene or whatever. And I just remember she was in a bunch of other movies. And this other guy named Donovan Lynch Jr. I don't know where he's at. But I remember seeing this. Well, he said that weird thing where he could have gone

like heartthrob or like serious actor. or super versatile where he can do comedy he can do heartthrum he can do he can do serious actor yeah he never he never

he never really took that heartthrob thing seriously I think you know like he was there but I like I like Brad Pitt better now than I did back then I mean because he's got a lot of good movies

I mean I know I know everyone loved Legends of the Fall I didn't care for it yeah what was the fly fishing one the river runs through it guys I'm being told my time's up I've got a like I said I've got a brother-in-law here

that's got just out of surgery so I guess I had to give my score real quick and run you get us out of here Phil yeah yeah so yeah no I'll give this movie a nine on 10 and I'm surprised this is Fincher's masterpiece for me

and I would say that very very easily all three of the main actors could have could have one best actor for that particular year easily. So you know where I stand, guys. Nine on ten on this one. So... Why, the silence, the lambs?

Yeah, yeah, very, very much so. Just because of the acting and Fincher's direction and just, I don't know, I found the villain in this one to be more despicable than the villain in the other film, believe it or not. So that's where I stand. That's where I stand. So you guys finished the show out. I'm out of here, but

9-10-10, brothers. Have a good one. All right. All right. Appreciate you. Yeah, hold on. But this movie was fucking awesome. I mean, I just, I couldn't believe when it was over.

I was just, I mean, getting to the end with the whole box thing. When we found out that she was pregnant, dude, I shit you know, the first time I saw this, I thought that baby was in the box. I thought he cut the baby. the baby out and put it put it in there that's where my mind went at first because Mike did tell me he was like dude this movie's gonna fuck with you

and I was like oh man that I can understand at the studio we're like no we need to change that ending that would have made sense that would have made sense yeah I just because what we had seen up to this point to that point in the movie

I figured man I mean there's nothing this guy's not going to do So was she one of the sins? He was. He was. John, He was enemy. But he still had two left, envy and wrath.

His wrath was, was Brad Pitt. Yeah, but Brad Pitt didn't die. No, but when he found out, it just, it didn't matter. He just wanted some, because he wasn't actually committing any of the sins. He was just setting them all up for people to commit them. So he told him, because when he found out, They had killed his wife, and he said, become vengeance, become wrath in order, like, you need to kill me. Because that's what, when Morgan Freeman came running over, he told him, he goes, look, he wants you to kill him.

And he's like, no, and he started screaming. Dude, that whole ending scene just gave me chills right now. And he became, and John Doe became envy because he said, I went to your house. I tried to be the husband. I tried to live your life. So he was envious. But that was the part, because he didn't really kill him. anybody other than

you know the people that he was killing for the seven deadly sins and Gwyneth Paltrow was like not any of those and he just he envied what the hell's his name Mills he John Doe envied his life yeah he goes so that

he goes that's my sin is envy that's when he turned it on him and said look because he basically told him kill me and he said become wrath because that whole scene and I'm like, what's in the box? And I know it turned into a big old joke, but when he just turned, dude, he was so serious. He was like, what's in the fucking box? And he just told you.

And then he just turned that gun and goes, you lie. You are fucking liar. Shut up. And then gets the butt of the gun and pushes it down on his head. I was like, oh, man. I know, dude. Brad Pitt killed it in this one, man. Yeah, I think that Kevin Spacey killed it in this one.

I think he did really well. But I also think that he channeled a little Hannibal Lecter while he was doing it. But he did it in his way, though, because there's, there are scenes where he kind of like that whole scene where Morgan Freeman is looking at him in the back of the car through the rearview mirror. And he sees Kevin Spacey's like bouncing up and down. He was like, why are you so happy? Yeah. You know, you're supposed to, you're not supposed to take pleasure. if you're a Messiah and you're doing this all for a for a cause why are you taking you know

and just little little things like that I thought were cool yeah well and Morgan Freeman is great in everything that he does always awesome uh yeah this is this is sort of the beginning of brad pits rise to like real stardom I think as opposed to just another pretty face and uh I I definitely gave Kevin Spacey a big leg up, even though he'd already had some really good stuff. And he's got a really good body of work there for the time that he actually acted. I don't think that he's ever going to come back. I don't know that he'll be forgiven. And I think I'm okay with that.

But I like Brad Pitt now better than I did back then. I think he's a better actor now. And I love the parts that he plays. And, you know, like I said, Morgan Freeman's great and everything he does. This movie was pretty badass. I don't know if it's as good as Silence of the Lambs, but it's pretty fucking close, man. It's, it's up there. If you're looking for, like, the best crime dramas in history, this is one of them.

It's on the list. Silence of Lambs is probably number one, but this may be two or three. and then, you know, a whole plethora of Ashley Judd movies. She's in a shitload of them. Yeah, I don't know if I agree with Lance because I don't know. Is John Doe more despicable killer than Hannibal? He's not as...

Because Hannibal's just... I mean, what is Hannibal... What is the reason he's killing people? Because they were rude? Yeah, I know. He's usually got a pretty good moral standpoint on why he's killing somebody. But he's also fucking terrifying. I mean, I'm not saying what John Doe's doing is good. I mean, but at least he's going after people that he thinks are bad and sinned. Right.

But he's not as, like, menacing. Like, like, I feel like. I feel like Hannibal Lecter, you see him on the street, and as soon as he starts talking, you're like, all right. Nice to meet you. Bye. And, but, you know, Kevin Spacey starts talking, and I'm not quite as terrified. I don't know. They both, they both had that.

I mean, they don't look. Richard Brake. You see him walking down on Dark Alley? you're going to turn around and walk the other way. Yeah. You see John Doe or Hannibal Lecter walking down that same alley. I mean, especially they don't look. They're not very tall guys.

Richard Bragg is tall and scary looking. Yeah. But, I mean, you would look at them and not even think twice about them and just keep walking. I mean, it kind of bothered me that Hannibal doesn't blink and just stares directly at you when he talks. Right. That's part of what made him so terrifying is that he seems like this. unassuming person, but like he just when he starts doing up

the scenery and he's not even blinking and he's like just controls every situation. Yeah, and then five minutes into your conversation you realize, are you psycho analyzing me right now? Yeah. Whereas John Doe just

seems kind of annoying. Like when he was in the back of that police car. I mean, I get I get shit. I get why he went after them. The only one I kind of felt sorry for was the fat guy. I mean, did he? I mean, yeah, I'm fat too.

I'm fat too. And I'm, no, I'm going to take it. It is my fault. I like to eat. But, um, I, I see where he was going with that, with that sin, but he didn't, that guy didn't really do anything bad other than he said, he goes, yeah, when you see him, you, you want to throw up. Um, the one, the one chick, I,

I forgot which one it was. I didn't feel like, because she was getting cosmetic surgery to make herself feel better on the inside. Yeah. I was like, okay, come on now. What I took from that one is it might have, she might have, I don't know, I'm not really sure. She might have been one of those mean girls. Like she was a bitch and she deserved it. That's how I took it.

I don't know, I could be wrong. But then the other guys that bought it, now they totally deserved it. They're pedophiles and the other guy was selling drugs. Oh, yeah. all kinds of other things. But the one I felt sorry for the most for was the dude that had that big knife dildo thing

strapped to him. And he made him basically kill, kill that girl. Oh, you can put him in a mental institution because he's probably for the rest of his life. I like that actor too. He kind of plays the same role in everything.

Because you felt bad for him because, I mean, he's, it's over. He's in police custody and he's still screaming, help me. Somebody help me. Please. He's freaking out the whole time. He played it well. But I, like I said, hell of a fucking cast, man. And they

really pulled their fucking weight in this one. This was this was a heavy hitter in this genre. It was a good cop drama because I loved every time they were in the police station discussing the case. Yeah. I love. Usually those scenes are kind of like,

let me back then there was no phones but yeah it's the dynamic between like Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman you know and it felt real like when they were waiting on Prince to match up and the guy was like you know this could take up

to three days yeah and they don't go nowhere they they sit there fall asleep on the couch together time goes by and yeah or it's just like you know we should be out here doing something and Morgan Freeman is like this is the job

when uh when morgan feyman told them about there's a there's a there's a place where these guys that you give them enough money they'll get you information because it was like all fbi stuff and that's what uh bobby from uh suns a anica came walking it bobby he can't walk in it oh man that that that still hurts my heart with the way bobby bought it in sunday had a king's but it was it was this movie was amazing i mean we could go all night about it because there's so much to unpack in this. I know in one of the Blu-ray, I think

it was DVD, the DVD releases there's some special features where you can read some of the texts that were written in all those notebooks that John Doe was writing. I tried, but I only got through like a couple screens and said, I was going to say, he's

he had like a whole bookshelf, just books of bullshit writing. A tiny print. yeah yeah like double lines double sentences on one line but i mean but that's shout out to the to the people that actually stood there and wrote whatever they wrote i mean even it's like just a flash on the screen but man i mean that that that takes time even if you go back to the shining whoever typed that the what was it all work and no play yeah i mean whoever typed all that out in many different forms, man. Shout out to them.

No beer, make Homer something, something. But yeah, this movie's amazing. Did we give scores? I don't even remember if we did. No, let's... Let's do scores. Ten. Ten. Oh, okay. All right. So right up there with Silence of Lambs. Brian? I don't think it's better than Silence of the Lamb, so I'll give it a 9.75.

Okay. It's there. Yeah, I think a nine is a pretty good score for this one, because it's in the same genre as Silence to the Lambs. As Silence of the Lambs gets a 10. I think this one follows in its footsteps and is a staple of the genre, but it doesn't quite get a 10. Awesome movie, though. Great cast. Yep.

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Nez, you got anything coming out? Well, you talked about wrestling returns, all that stuff. Yeah, we got all that coming, everyone. Just, yeah, life. New East Society's coming. I think we're closing in on 300. We're 200 and 90, I think. I don't know.

About Tree City? We, oh, ESP Rewind. If you guys didn't listen to that one, we talked about Tim Burton's 1989 Batman. The Zisu loved it. Hashtag not my Batman. but we're building up to the new flash movie that's coming out and I know people feel bad different about Edmellon now I do too but I still want to see the film I was hyped for Mr. Mom Beetlejuice yeah Michael Keaton come back as a Batman

you want to get nuts let's get nuts I'm happy that what's his name bad Ben Affleck is in it. No Henry Cavill from what I, who knows, hopefully my fingers are crossed that he makes an appearance in it, but they're saying he's not. But I don't know, maybe that's just what they're saying. But yeah, we got regular episode for East Society coming. Also another ESP Rewine. We're going to be talking about, I think it was 1991 or two, I can't remember. Tim Burton's Batman Returns.

I have not seen that in a long time. I just watched it. And again, hashtag not my Batman, but it was a movie. Anyway, yeah, we're going to do that, and that's what's coming next. Hashtag it is my catwoman. Yeah, yeah. Well, Julie Newmore first and then, no, yeah, Julie Newmar then, Michelle Pfeiffer. You know what?

Halliburray movie was terrible. Oh, she's on that too, but I'm just adding my top two. Hallie Berry movie was terrible, but he's a pretty good catwoman. I'll give her that. I love you. Hey, I, even though it's a newer movie, I don't mind Zoe Kravitz either. Yeah, true. Something about when you put on the Catwoman suit.

I don't do it. I'm not going to say no, but I'll go Anne Hathaway first. Oh, yeah. Okay, now I forgot about her. I think that's the reason I did forget about her. I love Anne Hathaway. All right, Princess Diaries. Next week, we check out the brand new The Blackening, as well as 2013's A Haunted House.

Oh, God. A blackening looks funny, man. Yeah, I'm excited for that one, but... Is that a comedy or serious? It is a horror comedy. Okay. All right. That's on the trailer.

Yeah, definitely comedy. But not like scary movie, Schlocky. Hopefully. I don't know. Yeah, they're going to be playing off all the tropes. Yeah. But until the horror returns again, Brian. Good night.