The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #372: Oculus (2013) & Insidious: The Red Door (2023)

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

This week, joined by our friend Pedro Nunez, we take a look in the mirror, and go behind the red door. Cool of the Week includes The Blackening, Bury the Bride, Succession, Bloodsport, and Hot Fuzz. Trailer is The Nun 2. The podcast spotlight shines on Neon Braniacs, and we get feedback from Matt Wood, Xim Vader, Tim Walker, Adam Bunch, Jason Morris, and Bede Jermyn. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz  

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Listeners, beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everybody. to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always. Got my co-hosts here, Brian. We got Philip in the house. Tonight we got we got a treat. It's our honorary, I don't know, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh host, whatever. Pedro, you were there from the very beginning, man. We were just reminisce, all reminiscing about old times. Pedro Nunes on the show. What's going on, man? Oh, I'm happy to be back. I'm always happy to be here. I haven't been here since

I believe the tournament, the March Madness tournament. That's always a thrill. And this past year, I was able to host it. I didn't have a horse in the race. It was more me hosting it. So that was pretty fun. But yeah, I know I'm always happy to be here and talk movies with you guys. Last time I was on here, well, many years ago, was for Insidious Four, which we completely

buried the fuck out of that movie. And then, so now I'm happy to be back for our five. The red door, as they call it. I guess you're going to be our insidious guy, huh? Because it looks like they left the door open at the end of this one. Yeah. No pun intended. Brian, what's going on, man?

You guys getting hopefully cooler weather there than we are. It's pretty sunny today. So rain stop. But never know. It's been kind of a shitty summer so far. up here. Not as sunny. Temperature has been good, but the sun's just not been there. Yeah, well, a lot of the northern hemisphere

is on fucking fire right now. Not just literally, but hot as fuck. Any of us that have to work outside or work in addicts and shit like that, we're not loving it. And even us that have to, they have indoor jobs, man. You got to still get outside and mow the yard and stuff like that. So yeah that's why I'm in the truck right now. Yeah, because it's air condition and your house is power out.

The power went out for like 20 minutes and it was like 80 degrees in there. I'm like, I'm not doing this. Well, bad timing, man. Hopefully you'll get the power back up soon. Yeah, I'm watching them work on the lines out here while I'm sitting in the truck. So I'll see it when it comes on. Well, Pedro, you know how it works, man. you've been here. Well, before we get under cool, though, the week, what have you been up to

lately, Pedro? Get us caught up, man. Bring us up to speed. Oh, nothing, man. Just, it's here in LA. I mean, we haven't had a heat wave yet or anything like that. It's been in the 70s, you know, today was 82. So today, you know, we're kind of, we're kind of bitching a little bit, but, you know, it sounds like very privileged bitching compared to the rest of the country because 82 ain't shit, especially people that live in Texas. but no, I've just been just hanging out. I've been watching a lot of Dodger games. You know, we're in the slums there for a minute,

but we seem to be picking it back up right before the All-Star break. Right. And so just been watching movies, catching up on stuff. So that's, you know, that would be what my cool of the week is going to be about, just kind of the movies that I've been catching up on it. Well, bring us up to speed, man. What's worth watching? What's not worth watching?

what's good that's out there. How was your week? So I started watching I'm one of those, man. I'm a completist. Yeah. I started watching that Walking Dead City. Right.

Oh, so have you guys been watching it or? Hold on. Let me tie this up. Give me that needle. The Walking Dead is Lansing's drugged to us. So you did hop back on board. I'd fucking, dude. I saw that first.

He never jumped off. Talk about chasing the dragon. Jesus Christ. He's going to quit tomorrow, guys. Don't worry. Pedro, when Maggie walked into that fucking bar, it's like fully open, neon lights, everything like there's never been a zombie apocalypse.

No, it's weird because it's so weird because there's so much shit in that first episode where it really fucks with the time end of the show. Like all of a sudden, Negan is this wanted man. Like, like, he's been on the run for 25 years. And it's like,

they even have the wanted side, the wanted poster with picture. You know what I'm saying? Like, how does that even happen in this world? Sure. It reminds me of Friday the 13th, part five.

Remember when they had that picture of Jason? The paramedic had a picture of Jason Borges in his wallet. That's how he got, that's how he found the motivation to be Jason. But then it's like, when the fuck did anybody take a picture of Jason? So the thing is, and if they did, how were they alive to fucking develop it? You know what I'm saying? Sure.

The thing is, same thing with Negan. Like, they had this fucking wanted dead or alive poster. All we're missing was Bon Jovi in the background and shit fucking singing that song. And they had a perfect picture of Negan, like just totally. And so, no, that fucking first episode really threw me off. there's this whole backstory that all of a sudden we're supposed to accept. There was this crazy Russian that evidently was a complete cycle back in the, what was the name, the saviors, right?

The saviors when they first started to develop or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So all this shit is weird to me, but I hung with it. And now I'm probably about a couple episodes behind now because I just, I don't know, I couldn't stay with it, man. I mean, it was just, it was starting to delve back into the same shit. you know what I'm saying? So maybe I don't know.

You guys tell me, is it something different or is it the same shit? Lance. I haven't gotten past episode one. Hey, I did watch the Joe Bob Briggs version, though. So at least we got some good trivia in between scenes. Yeah. And then it's a lot to stomach, dude.

And then you get that crazy. I don't know, is he supposed to be like the sheriff or like a Wild West Lawman or something like that? That's right. He runs that part of Manhattan somehow. Yes, yes. Like, none of this shit makes sense. And he even has that very stereotypical sheriff outfit, right?

That black overcoat with the, like, why? Why would you do that? And then I saw the Daryl Dixon. And then I saw the Daryl Dixon trailer. Oh, no. And there's a voiceover there where he's like, oh, well, I'm lost and I kind of ended up here. No, if you fucking somehow ended up lost and went to the other side of the world, like they better fucking explain that shit.

He just cannot all of a sudden be in Europe, you know what I'm saying? Like, I have a feeling that's where they're going to start us off. Like, what the fuck, you know? I went to show up at the Eiffel Tower. Do you, Pedro, do you think maybe they're having us on? You think this might be like becoming a parody, like self-aware parody at this point? It could be. It could be.

I don't know at this point. Oh, my God. That would be genius. They should do that. Maybe they'll have Tyrese Gibson just wonder if they're all superheroes. That's why they never get killed. But yeah, so I've been doing that. I've been trying to catch a lot of the horror flicks that have been coming out in the theater.

Oh, yeah. There's a lot. Yeah, just so, you know, I like to support them. And plus, I got that whole AMC gimmick, you know, that you need to use from, time to time. So I saw the blackening. I thought that was a very fun movie. You know, I thought it really, it really kind of skirted the line between parody and, you know, being non-PC. I thought it did a pretty good job. Did any of you guys catch that movie? Yeah, we were muted. Yeah. And you guys didn't like it. I could see from Lance.

You can give it a listen, man. Personally, I, I, I, I, I, like the comedy. I just, I thought they fell flat on the horror aspect of it. Oh, yeah. They just didn't balance it out right. Yeah, it was definitely more of a comedy. They had a great intro, man. I thought, oh, this is going to be creepy. This is going to be spooky. The whole thing, there's going to be a lot of great on-screen kills. And then we got, like, none of that. So that's what took me out of it. Yeah, then I saw this movie. It's called Barry the Bride. It's on Tooby.

I've heard of this. Yeah. And it was surprisingly very well done. I mean, you could tell it was very low budget, but it had a lot of heart in it. And that's what I look for sometimes. It's just like, whenever I see that there's very low budget, it's like, well, let's see if the filmmaker has a passion, right, to tell me this story. And sometimes that's that compensates for the lack of money. And I think this movie did that. I think, first of all, I didn't know much about it. So I just, I had heard through the, you know, through the grapevine that it was decent.

So I, you know, I checked it out. And it does have that like a twist in the, in the, the middle it was a twist for me because like i said i knew nothing about it which i thought it was pretty cool it's uh let's just say it's a very from dust till donish kind of kind of twist there in the middle or maybe a little bit before the middle and then it and then it becomes kind of like this female empowerment kind of movie which i feel was done right it wasn't pandering or you know it wasn't anything like that so um so so i enjoyed it so if people want to have to they want to check something out that they haven't seen or checking out for a horror movie definitely check out

Barry the Bride. It's on Tooby, so it's free. Buried the bride, okay. Yes. Then I saw this, the Stan Lee documentary that just dropped on Disney Plus. Okay. I don't know. I thought it was very vanilla. You know, I thought it was...

Oh, no. I mean, that's what it's going to be, right? Because it's Disney Plus, and Stanley is a brand, so they're trying to protect their brand. So it's never going to get a little... It's never going to get controversial. But I thought it was way too vanilla. It was very, you know, it was like very fluffy.

And so I was like, okay, it was a good time wasteer. But literally there was nothing there that I didn't already know. It was literally I created this, then I created that, then I created that, and so on and so forth. Hey, think about numbers. Yeah. Didn't his family not like it? No, I think it was, uh, something. Well, I think it was the other creators.

I'm not a comic book nerd, so I don't know. I know there's the other two famous guys. Uh, Dikka. Dirkka, isn't he a football guy? No, I thought it was... Dittco, there you go. Yeah, Mike Dittka hated it. Yeah, Mike Dicka hated it

because they didn't have any football in it. He watched it, and he was like, they didn't talk about the bears, not one time. Oh, yeah, the bears. So, yeah, so anyways, it was okay. I mean, it was a good little background noise, kind of, but for any of it. anybody that wants to learn anything new about Stanley, you're probably not going to, you're probably not going to get anything new out of it.

It was like a Stanley history lesson, right? Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. I'm okay with that. Above the surface stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah. I also caught the Japanese cube. Did you guys check that one out? That sounds great.

I did not like it. I started it and I stopped after like 20 minutes. I was like, this is just a shot for shot remake, right? I mean, it wasn't because one of the things that I didn't like is that they had flashbacks in this one. Like, they're trying to give you context of a lot of the characters and their motivations through flashbacks. So they took you out of the cube for this one, you know, and there was a lot of that. And, of course, like any film with subtitles, you have to be in a certain mindset to watch these films because it requires more of an investment. So that's a challenge.

but I thought it was decent. I mean, nothing's going to be the original. The original is the classic. Not even the sequels beat the original. It's from the same people. But again, as a filler, it was good. It was decent, you know? But it is different.

You know, it's definitely different. And I think that's it. Yeah, that's pretty much it. So that was my cool of the week, you know, just kind of catching up on stuff. I'm putting down Walking Dead City. is your primary cool, right? You know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to finish it. Okay, here. I'm going to go. I'm not going to be a little. Oh, wow. Okay. Fuck you. I'm done.

But the thing is that I, that's the, I need to binge that show because, like, doing the whole week to week shit, it's, it just becomes like, it's the same thing.

So I think if I, if I see it on one big bunch, it's, you know, it's, I'll be able to enjoy it more, you know? So I'm just waiting for it to end.

I'm all in at this point with that fucking show, man. I mean, what do you want me to say? Keep us tuned, man. We'll have to invite you back in a few. It's something that I don't come to terms with. How about that? I mean, it is.

It is what it is. I'm waiting for Daryl Dixon, which is like the most unoriginal name ever for a show, but... It's called Daryl Dixon? Yeah. Jesus Christ. It's about the same as the one after it, Rick and Moshone. Unbelievable.

Yeah, maybe they're parodying us, guys. They might be pulling this in for something funny. at the end here. I hope they do because that's about the only way they're going to get me back. You have Damon Wayans show up in the next. Yeah, let's see if the Wayne brothers are credit as producers, because if they are

then, yes, we are being parodied. So what do you guys got for Cool of the Week? Man, I'll jump in because I got nothing. It's a succession again. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, well, I'm trying to get through to the end of it, and at this point I feel like I'm kind of trudging. Oh, no.

Like, man, they could have, like, done this whole thing in a season or two. Sure. And I'm on season four. So, what is this? What are you trying to watch? Succession. Okay. Yeah, that's definitely not.

However you say it. Yeah, that's the, that's the opposite of binge watching. That's very difficult to binge watch. Just, you know, you need to really go episode by episode. And it is very repetitious. You're right. And there's a lot of things that could be settled in. in way lesser time than they've been doing it.

But I think the charm of that show is just the comedy. I think it's very interesting and just the interaction with the characters, you know? And I think that's what people, that's why Succession is a hard sell because the plot itself is a very basic plot, right? But it's the interaction with the characters. That's where the money's at with this show. And in order for people to see that,

they have to give it a shot. And so that's the hard part of getting people invested in that show. it's still a great show and I've had so many people that recommended it to me and uh but I was trying to bench through it and man like it was a lot it's a lot to absorb yeah but I can see watching it week to week how awesome that might be it's a little Game of Thrones is but like in now times yeah for sure sense right that man you want me to go next yeah you're there Yeah, I'll go next if you want me to.

I have not really watched anything new. I kind of went down this rabbit hole of 80s and 90s action movies. It's always a good one to go. Well, throw a couple names out there, man. It's always good to reminisce on these. Well, of course, of course I started with some Van Damns, some Bloodsport. Of course. Great movie.

One of the best movies ever made. Went into some Stallone, Cobra. Oh, my God. And then I told myself, let's go a little bit deeper into the action genre and busted out some Cynthia Rothrock. Oh, man. That's going deep. Don the Dragon Wilson. And after we record, I'm going to watch TC 2000 starring Billy Blanks.

Yeah, of course. TC 2000. What is this, guys? I've never heard of this. Was that the only movie he was in? Was he in something else? No, no, he was, a bunch of them. Yeah, and if you go deep and he, he made a lot of movies in the 80s and 90, a lot of action movies.

Yeah, because we were watching a movie and I asked my wife, is that Billy Blake? She's like, no, it's not. Shut up. It most likely probably was Billy Blake's. Then he, quote, unquote, invented Ty Bo or whatever, and he never had to make a movie in his life again. Yeah. Because that made him a gazillionaire. Yeah, man, I hope it did.

Good for him. So, yeah, I've just been kind of just deep diving into a lot of, even, I even watched it. It's not a good movie by no means, but I remember seeing it at the video store. And it was starred Cynthia Roth. Well, it didn't, she was co-starring, but it starred Corey Hain called The Getaway. Oh, yeah. I remember that. I just, I've never seen it, but I always remember seeing the cover at the video store.

Yes. And, um. Disappointingly, she's not in it enough, so. Nice. Cynthia's badass. And he's in it too much, I imagine, right? He's a star. He's not bad.

It's just a generic, me and my father are bank robbers, and Cynthia's part of the group, and then the group breaks up, and then we get double-crossed, and then... Okay. It's not a story you haven't heard before or seen before. Sounds like the way the Stan Lee documented. And he was being described by Pedro, merely paint by numbers. You got the guy, and he's got a father that's in the business, and they get Cynthia Rothrock, and it ends up going here, and then they get double-crossed.

And it creates like a perfect circle. Yeah, a million times. Yeah, mostly it's just been 80s and 90s action. Actually, I'm looking through my Instagram. I did finish a movie called Burial. Okay. Is that a new one? It's new-ish.

I think it came out maybe last year. Is that the one where they're trying to hold on to Hitler's body? Yeah. I was fucking bored. I saw that. And I definitely have not. I just got to the point in the movie. It's like,

fucking, who cares about his body? Get rid of it. Leave it alone. Save your life. Yeah, but then we would never know if he really died. So we have to. Yeah, I guess. But yeah

I saw it. No, they just got his body and they're trying to transport it like Pedro says to prove that he died and they're Oh, I got you. Protecting it while they transport it with their lives. Yeah, but quote unquote the drama is

and there's other people that are trying to take the body. Yeah. Oh, they have to protect it from Now, is there like a supernatural element or it's just other people, right? I want to take it or are they like, I don't know, I confuse all these fucking movies, man. much so many people. I think I blacked out. I don't know. I don't know if the people that are trying to

take the bodies are they, I think they're wolves or there's some kind of like hybrid animals. I think they, they, or they're just really mean people. I don't know. They dress like wolves and I guess they have some kind of, I can't, I can't forget. I forgot what it was, but it's something that affects your mind to make you think that they are wolves. or something, some kind of... Okay, you guys are kind of selling me now at this point. Did you know there's a conspiracy theory that

Hitler didn't die and went to Brazil? Yes. Argentina, I have heard. Take your pick. Which may or may not be true. I don't know. A lot of them dead. That's the thing. A lot of them did. So, you know... There's some, like, straight up

German Nazi communities in Brazil. Guys, I'm having trouble There's a lot of movies that they're called The Burial. Is Jamie Fox? It's done it's super Jamie Fox. No, no, Jamie Fox is not in this movie. This movie

would have been cool the week if Jamie Fox was the star of burial. Ah, here we go. A small group of the body of Hitler. A small group of Russian soldiers have the task of taking Hitler's remains back to Stalin. They're okay, I found it. All right. Yeah, and it's

streaming on AMC Plus as well as Hulu. So there you go, all right. There you go. You can watch it if you want to. Okay. But yeah, I'll go with 80s and 90s action movies. Just kind of

taking a deep dive, watching a lot of stuff I haven't. Some of the stuff I probably haven't seen since I was like maybe like 11, 12 years old. And I was like really getting into action movies and horror movies. Did you rewatch the Last Dragon?

Or did you just put the poster in the course? I was just posting old posters and trailers. I'm probably, there's a steel book coming out and you know I'm a physical media so I'll probably be picking that up and rewatching it then. Cult classic, man.

We all should be physical media collectors because after what they did to the French connection uh-huh. Try buying that one now and see how, and see you'll be surprised how much that movie goes for now. Yeah, as soon as it gets labeled as out of print. Uh-huh. You're done.

Yeah. Go look at it. eBay and see those ridiculous prices. But there was also a huge edit on the French connection for digital streaming. And then a lot of people wanted to get the original because, you know, you want to see the whole movie. And then

all these people that are selling all these copies of the original DVD release, they hiked up the prices because there was huge demand for them. So, you know, you start to see how that works out. That's why I have a huge library of, like, physical media still because you know, when when Big Brother shuts everything down,

I'm still going to have my copies shit. It makes sense, dude. They're already editing out like stuff from digital copies of books and things. It's only a matter of time before they really start hammering down on movies. Oh, that's way too expensive. We can't let that out. No, I got I got you, man. I totally get it.

When our power was out for a week and I had to go through, thank God I had an Xbox, or not our power, but our Wi-Fi was down. Thank God I had an Xbox and a bunch of DVDs, man. or I would have been shit out of luck So All right Cool of the week I guess

Oh I guess I still gotta do mine I got a wild hair And I was doing Doing some drinking the other night And I thought to be fun to watch a drinking movie So I checked out the world's end Okay Yeah the Edgar Wright

Final part of the Coronado trilogy Yeah Yeah And it was it was good I enjoyed it it's probably my least favorite of the three, but I did go back. I'm kind of doing the trilogy backwards now, so I went back and checked out Hot Fuzz last night. Classic. That's good. That's going to be my cool of the week. I think I might actually

like that more than Sean of the Dead, believe it or not. Okay. That's a bold statement, but it's, I hear you. The comedy starts really early. It's really fucking funny. It never ends. You're always guessing on what's going on. You kind of think you, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, kind of think, you know what's going on to this village, but you really don't. They throw a lot of red herrings out there. It's just, it's a good story, but, like, really, comedy was just spot on for me. So I had a lot of fun with that one. So that's going to be the cool of the week.

And Quinn Tarantino does the commentary track for that movie with Edgertrite. I got to check that out. Is that, oh, but you get into physical media. Yeah, come on, man. Jeez. All right, I got to go out by that, man. power back on. My power's back on. I'm going to jump back in just a minute, guys. Nice. All right. Cool.

So are we on agreeings that Edgar Wright is hitting 100% or, because we got Sean of the Dead. We got hot fuzz. We got Scott Pilgrin versus the world. Yes. We got the world Zen. We got Baby Driver and we have last night in Soho. Didn't care as much for last sentence. So I, to be honest, I was entertained by every movie. Okay. So let's go 98. percent because Lansomather's being the stickler for. I mean, I just didn't love it, you know. I was disappointed.

Let's put it that way. We expected a little bit more, but yeah, no, it's a good, but definitely gives a good filmmaker. Yeah, yeah, for sure. No doubt, no doubt. All right, well, I guess Philip will be right back, but in the meantime, Brian, do we have any horror headlines tonight? I was not prepared.

I thought we were cutting this out because we, had a that's all right we can we can move on unless you can find a quick story to talk about yeah just go to a go to the job website and and we'll go through their headlines let's do that what am i uh let's see the actresses comes out in october i don't care about that fucking man if they say satan dies tonight Satan dies tonight oh my goodness that is going to be lances top five. After what David and Gordon Greenlee to the Halloween franchise that I don't

trust this man as far as I could throw on my time of this one. I just can't. I just can't. Is anybody interested in the haunted mansion, Disney's haunted mansion? Yes, I am. Because I guess they're already talking about possible sequels.

Already? Geez. Why the fuck would they do that? It's got a hell of a good cast, though. That's the thing about that. Is Eddie Murphy going to show up in this one? Maybe in a cameo, you think? And like, apologize for the first one? I think he's past all that. Let's see.

Set pictures of Beetlejuice 2 from my accounts confirming Jenna Ortega is in the movie. Okay. So. As well she should see.

Yeah. Looks like she's getting married or somebody's getting married. And it looks like she's in some kind of wedding gown. Oh, Beetlejuice is trying to marry her now, like you did the other. Actually, they confirmed... Well, Monica Belushi is also in it.

Yeah, Monica Balochie's... That's going to be a treat for all of us, older gentlemen. Yes. Or the younger kids, too. I mean... Why not? Yeah. Monica Balochie should be for everybody. Yes, she's ageless.

Yep. Kind of like Salma Hayek, right? Yep. Oh, Pedro. What? Let me... Real quick question. Okay. Top Scream Queen today. would you say it's Jenna Ortega or Mia Gauth? I'm biased towards Mia Gauth.

I mean... Okay. Yes. In every way, shape, or form. I think I'm more of a Jenna Ortega on this side. So, Brian, you want to be the tiebreaker? I'm kind of in the middle. I like Jenna Ortega more, but I feel like Mia Gauth has done better movies. Yes.

See that? So I might I might have to lean a little bit towards me of goth as far as quality of movies. Yes. Yep. Yeah.

I mean, her acting shops, she's had more to work with. Sure. Plus, she's writing, right? Yeah, because I feel like General Ortega's going down that path of like typecasting a little bit. Okay. Which tends to hurt the actors.

Especially someone as young as her, because she's still got to go through that phase. And I'm calling her right now because I've seen it time and time again. give it about five to ten years and she's going to go through that phase where she doesn't want to talk about any of this shit she's not going to want to talk about scream she's not going to want to talk about Beetlejuice

about Wednesday about none of that because she's trying to evolve as an actress we're a serious actress yes every every actress actor they all go through that shit right I feel like Mia Gauth like maybe because she comes off as bad shit crazy

in real life as well I feel like she's a little more closer to her characters, you know? So she's going to embrace her whole filmography going forward. So I'm going with Mia God. Okay, I could see that. Yeah. All right, let's see. The remake of Jack Hill's 1967 classic Spider Baby has wrapped filming.

Okay. Is it, who's directing it? Dustin Ferguson. Oh, man, this doesn't sound good at all. I don't know. I heard a rumor that it was going to be Rob Zombie. He wants to do all Universal's catalog, evidently.

Is that one? I don't think he's doing this one. This one's already about filming. Okay. Oh, gosh, I still haven't finished that. But the monsters? Yeah. I enjoyed it, man, for what it was.

I enjoyed it. For what it was. That's always the word that I disperse. eyes. Let's see. A few weeks ago we talked about Insidious was getting spin-off movies titled Thread

and Insidious Tale. Producer James Juan implies this could be the first of many insidious spinoffs. Of course. I mean, he's got the conjuring universe, he's got the insidious. When does he just merge them, even though Patrick Wilson's in multiple?

They could have their own multiverse. Yeah, they could both disappear into the further together and come out the same character or something, right? Kind of like the flash. One would have straight hair. That's right. It would be like, speaking of action movies, remember that Van Dam one double impact? Yes.

Where he's like that privileged white guy and then he's also that thug from the streets. And we know that because the thug has the slick back hair, his hair slick back. Of course, of course. Yeah. The other ones got the, he wearing pink shorts and. Yes. Very Ivy League, yes. With his karate slash workout gym,

with the pink geese, hitting on all the ladies. Well, they both do the splits. Yeah. It don't matter if Batman's the thug or a privileged white guy. They're going to do the splits if it's the 90s. You can bank on that, huh? So they could have Patrick Wilson come out and, yeah,

they both meet in the further. The conjuring Patrick Wilson. Why not? And the insidious Patrick Wilson. I say do it. I say do it. I'm pretty sure James Juan listens to the

podcast, so Well, he listens to money is what he listens to, so there's definitely money in that Especially because Insidious just made 36 million, I think, over the weekend, so You know There were a lot of people in the theater When I went

Yeah, yeah They thrown Indiana Jones, so there is that Oh, God, that wasn't hard to do, man That I didn't see it. And I want to say, go see the movies to form your own opinion

just don't hear somebody else say they didn't like it and so you're not going to watch it. You don't know what you're going to like. That's right. That's right. And I guess we'll finish on a couple movies, wrap filming, a couple big movies. Ghostbusters, I guess,

saying it's Ghostbusters 5, which is weird to me because that would imply that the female one is in the same universe. That's all right. I wasn't mad at the female one. I kind of thought it was a fun movie. Yeah, but it's not even the same universe.

Well, you know, alternate multiverse is the thing now, so who knows. Speaking of multiverse, I'm back. There he is, a different dimension. You look just like Patrick Wilson. Some of a bitch. He's taking over my body. Hell, I'd like that. Wait, that came out wrong.

Time stamped that one. And I guess we'll finish off with Fedé Alvarez's new alien film has wrapped filming. Okay. Always down for new alien film. Finally. They need to make a documentary of all the times these alien films have been in production because everybody in Hollywood has taken a stab at him. And this guy was finally able to finish one.

Kind of like that Dune movie that never got made. Yes. That's true. And now we have the second one. coming out later this year on theaters. Oh, yeah, we're looking forward to that. Yeah, I'm into it. The trailer looked amazing.

I'm sorry. Unpopular opinion. Prometheus is one of my favorites. Yeah, I enjoyed it. That's a good movie. It's a good movie. It's very philosophical. You know, it's a...

I think what burned it was that people were expecting more of an alien tie-in. They got it at the end, but, you know, that's pretty much it. Which was cool, because I didn't know it was an alien movie going into it. Yeah, yeah, so, but now we're going to get, what, what, the seventh one? This would be part seven technically. I mean, like part nine, if you count the Alien versus Predator movies. Yeah, Pedro, where do you think this fits in? Well, I don't know.

I haven't heard anything about it. I mean, where is it going to fit in? I mean, I'm still waiting for that alien prequel, you know, where we see whatever they call that jockey guy. You know, we've been waiting for that explanation for years. Okay. You know. Well, that was kind of funny. You got the TV show, too, that's still...

Oh, you're not the TV show. Still on the talks, huh? So, the only thing I heard about the TV show is it has nothing to do with the Ripley timeline. Oh, okay. All right. As long as they keep it sci-fi horror and don't go schlocky with it. Yeah. I think they will.

I think we'll count on that, hopefully. It's hard because the aliens, by definition, have to be used as props. We could never have a movie where it's from the point of view of the alien, right? Like predators, you know, they have some sort of like, you know, they look, you know, they have human qualities to them, right? They have a whole culture and all that. Whereas aliens are, they're these mindless monsters, supposedly, although they also have their culture. Right. So that is difficult to write an alien movie for that reason because at the end of the day, it does have to focus on the humans, either fighting the aliens, trying to reach the alien, whatever, the case may be.

So it makes it difficult. There's very limited options, you know? You just have to make them terrifying as fuck. Or just have one, like the first one. Right. You know? And, you know, make it about the humans and then, you know, do that whole character development with the humans and stuff. So hopefully Fed Alvarez does that with this one.

Kind of back to basics. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. Do you think he takes it back to basics? Or do you think he's going to try to expand the universe of the story? I think he'll take it back to basics. That's what I want to see. you know, even expanding the story, this is probably the only like horror franchise, I guess if you can even call it that, that like all of the movies have been pretty good, even the bad ones. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I like four. I like, I like, really four, yeah. The resurrection. Yeah, that's entertaining. Are they better than the like fucking Predator movies? I don't know. Sigourney Weaver playing basketball. Well, Predator 1 is not, that's an awesome movie just in movies out of its own genre.

Predator 1 is amazing. Predator 2 is in bad. I mean, I like Predator 2 a lot of. Oh, I like Predator 2 also. But that's where it stopped. Especially in the later ones, it's getting, although Prey was actually really good. That was another great one, that's right. Yes.

I even liked Predators quite a bit. But, okay. And they compare it to like Hellraiser or Freddie or Jason. I know that they're not exactly the same. but like, dude, some of those movies are hokey. Really? Some of those nightmare. I had a thing for what's the name and Predator 2.

What is it, Maria Cachito Alonzo? Oh, sure, sure. I hadn't seen that one in a long time. I got to watch it. That was always one of my favorites. Yeah. It has Bill Paxton, who's an alien predator and a Terminator movie. Yeah.

Yeah, they have that amazing train scene in the middle of it where... He throws his rubber ball at him. Well, Gary Busey. Gary Bucy has an awesome death in that movie, too, by the way. Right? Yeah, and he's bad shit crazy as per usual. What happened to the top of his body? I don't think it ever fell in that scene.

They're right. You know, they were saying that there was a rumor years ago that that was supposed to be Dutch, right? Arnold. Yeah. Because after the events of the first one, Arnold comes off a little off his rocker. and he just that that's the character but arnold rightly so protective of the character like i'm not gonna come back to get fucking chopped in half at a fucking meet oh yeah that's unceremonious way to go so uh so he didn't come back for that but yeah definitely uh that would have been that would have been something else if he would have been there for that you can take your script and put it in the java just wait just wait until the next action returns when we talk about seagal who this guy apparently cannot be hit or knocked down or beaten in any of his movies.

Really? Segal is a hilarious individual. He, if you go watch his movies, he hardly ever gets hurt. And I heard it's in his contract. Well, he will not be knocked down or taken and taken out

in any movie he's in. Except for one. Except for once. The one with Kurt Russell, when they're on the plane, Okay. That was hilarious. But the CGI is horrible.

It's literally like a cartoon character flying off a plane. Well, that was in the 90s, wasn't it? So, yeah. Yeah, well, that was at the peak of his power. So I'm surprised he allowed himself to, you know, for that to happen to him. Maybe that's when he set his, uh, his rule. That was going to say, that was like kind of executive decision. That's what his car said.

Yeah, with Kurt Russell, John Leguizamo. Yeah, I was going to say. say Air Force One. B.B. Wong, who's still acting, by the way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're all in there.

There is a movie where I've seen Seagal get, it's one of his newer horrible, where he's hardly in it movies. Wait, he does get, I think he's, he's still. He has one where he's fighting

George St. Pierre, and George St. Pierre knocks him down, but it's clearly a stunt double. Yeah, yeah. So I guess that's acceptable. That's acceptable. Like a guy with a wig.

and a pillow in his shirt? Yeah. Well, the guy's, the stunt doubles considerably thinner. Ah, okay. The thing about Seagal is that he has got such a big ego that he has it in his contract that he can't die or lose, but he doesn't have the integrity to stay in shape for these characters. Like, he's got to be about 300 pounds now, like legit. So the point where when you see some of his newer movies, like, all he could do is just punch.

And he does have those quick punches, because he can't spin kick anymore. I've seen him have fight scenes where he's sitting down. Oh, no. Like Bill Collins in concert now. Genesis. Listen, my back. It's not. Oh, Lord.

All right. Okay. On that note, that is the news. Stephen Seagall, always good for a laugh. Oh, yes. All right, Pedro. You're ready to, ready to take that, that, trip down to the trailer park.

Yep. Let's do it. All right, man, Brian. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What do we got tonight to look at, Brian? I'm sure we all got this trailer before. Insidious. It is the nun to take it place in 1956 France

with Vera Formiga's sister returning. All right. Which the trailer seemed very odd because the little girls trying to tell her about some strange shit happening and she, I don't know if this is before or after the first one, but she seems not to really believe it.

Yeah. I don't know. These films are becoming more generic to me, man. I don't really know what to think anymore. I try to be more positive. The one thing I can't say, I felt the first one was super dark to where I could barely

notice what's going on. I felt like this one looks a lot better as far as production-wise. yeah i thought it meant like in tone i'm like what are you talking about i'm going to be no no you're saying visually it was very dark well that's what i was going to say this one looks better than the other one i think phil you that was the episode you try to put background music in it in the background of us the non episode yeah maybe that came off more dark and sinister than what the nun was yeah but that's what i'm talking about some of these movies get schlocked i mean

I think the production looks better. I don't mind. I think her name is Taya Taya Fremere. Taya Jazeera, Formiga, I mean. Yep. I don't mind her in movies. It's got a Storm Reed who was just in that movie missing. So, I mean, I don't mind the actors,

but I'm just so tired of what is it, Valic, the nun. Yeah. Yes. Well, because it's, I was going to say, So this guy at Michael Chavez, he's part of the little in-house crew of directors of the conjuring because he did the curse of Lyorona, which I didn't like. And he also did the conjuring movie that sucked, which was the devil made me do it. Oh, God. So this guy has no equity with me right now.

And this is the dude that's doing this one? Yeah. They're taking into the well over and over and over and over again. It sounds like Pedro. So what Pedro is saying, he was. He works cheap and he's personal friends with James Wong. That's what I'm saying exactly. That's said.

Yes. I mean, we'll watch it. Make no mistake. You know, guys, every one of us is going to watch this movie. Guaranteed. This could be like the second Annabelle movie where I thought was really good. So that's what I'm saying. It looks way better than the person is garbage.

But keep in mind that the second Annabal movie, if I remember correctly, was that the one that was different? directed by David Sandberg. Who did Shazam in Lightsout? I think so the director upscale that movie. I mean, because he's a good filmmaker. Yeah. Here's a thing.

Like, I'm at that age now in my life where I'll be there in the theater. But now the question becomes whether I'll be, stay awake for it or not, because I'm old. So, yes, you're right. We're all going to make the attempt to watch it. We'll be there. But whether or not it succeeds is whether or not I stay up for it or not. Because lately I find myself going to sleep more and more in this fucking TV movie theaters, man.

Because these bones are aching. Happened to me for about five minutes this week, guys. I have to admit. Slender Man was rough. Oh, that was tough. Yeah. I think we all fell asleep in Slender Man, didn't we? I don't remember.

Did we review Sunder Man? Yep, it was bad. I was 10 minutes into it and I was zonk, dude. I don't remember that movie at all. I crashed down in that one too. All right, the nun two comes to theaters, September 8th. All right. You know what?

It started like, now I'm wondering, like, what is the point of this conjuring universe? Are we ever going to have, like, is there like a team up that we're all waiting for? Like, like, what is the, like, are they just going to just keep on making, like, other movies from, like, the IP, like the nun, the Annabels. Pedro, dude, you didn't catch it, picking up the Infinity Stones along the way

in all the movies? You did it hopefully. It would be smart because you got, it's Verim Formiga's little sister playing this role, so you would think you would kind of connect them some way. Yeah. It's real sisters, right? Yeah.

Or maybe Asia up her little sister and make her older relative that is teaming up somehow to fight Valic because it doesn't ever seem like they can ever defeat these things. Only we could defeat them

but not showing up to them. That's how we're going to be sure. Our dollar is the only way to defeat this monster. I guess the only threat is that all these monsters or whatever, they're all somehow in that basement, you know, in the Warren's basement.

Oh, that's right. That's right. I think there's a picture of Valik down there. There's Annabelle's down there. So that's how we get all these little ideas for all these movies. Liorona's not down there. I don't know where they got Liorona from because she's not down there. I don't know. I think now they're saying that doesn't count in the universe. Come on. Even though it has the same priest from Annabelle in it. Wow. No, no, but remember, the part that made me laugh about Liorona, I don't remember shit about the movie except one scene.

When the priest tacks out to the curandero, because that's more of a Mexican thing, he's like, I ain't got shit to do with this, but here's this guy. And it just happens to be like another character. And then he takes over as being like the, like the spiritual enforcer of all this thing, which was wacky. But,

but yeah, I don't know. I'll be there, but let's see if I stay up for it. Yeah. That's it. That's our only trailer this week. All right. That's it. All right. On to listener feedback. I came back just in time.

This week we shine the podcast spotlight on Neon Brainiacs. Neon Brainiacs is an 80s horror podcast with hosts Ben, Greg, and Lance. Hey! Not me. Double time on us Lance.

What about if you're ever on that show, Lance? It's going to be Lance Lance. That'd be cool. Yeah, there aren't that many of us out there, so. From the biggest blockbusters to the most obscure shot on video deep cuts. No stone is left unturned regarding 80s horror.

Check out the neon brain. Except every stone has been turned already, it seems to all these podcasts, but whatever. That's true. It keeps it fresh. Keep them flipping them. Regarding cannibal cabin, Matt Wood says this film was so

so poor. That is just about the politest way I ever heard. But it makes even more brutal. Does it? It's like, it's sort of like I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

Right. I was, I was kind of mad. You were, you were mad. You were pissed. It's a movie of nothing. Right.

Kind of like the Seinfeld of movies, huh? And Brian posted a poll says, do you enjoy foreign horror movies? And what is your favorite? And so far, a whopping 100% of responders have said yes, because there's some great ones. Zim Vader said, as an Australian, my favorite foreign horror movie is a tie between Friday the 13th, Part 2 and Jaws the Revenge.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why would it be an Australian? Because it's, I don't get it. Because he's an Australian. So foreign to him is American. I see. So Martin is a 13th part two and Jaws the Revenge. Although Jaws the Revenge was filmed somewhere in the islands, wasn't it? I think it was filmed in Australia as a matter of fact. It probably was.

Can we just pretend that never happened? Oh, he. Tim doesn't count them. Tim Walker says Susperia, Nam and Tirab. Sorry, dude. Says train to Besson. Tim Davis has trained to Besson hands down.

That's a great movie. Yeah. But where's that? Where's that Will Smith one? We never got it. What? That's been talked about more than all these alien movies that are supposed to come out. Will Smith is he supposed to be in the remake?

Yeah, the train to New York or whatever. Is he going to be in that? With Timo? No, that was originally he was attached to it. I don't know if he was in it or not, but. Oh, that's what it was. They stuck him on steroids to get him pumped for that movie, so he could be the badass guy

and then he slapped Chris Rock. You know what? He got into a Royd rage. I think a movie like that would kind of maybe bring him back. You think so? Make it like super violent action thriller, horror.

It's done well. Maybe. And have a scene where he slaps the shit out of a zombie. Is it let the right one in? I think that's my favorite. That's a good one. That's definitely a good one. Yeah, it's a lot of them, but Italian cinema is what I'm, you know, I love Italian cinema.

So for sure, I would, I would definitely say foreign cinema, yes, I love it. Rec, the original wreck was a good one. Yes, Spanish. Spanish Rec was a good one. I like Rec 3 a lot. Everybody hates on it, but I like it. Yeah, I like all of them. I like all of them. Is that the one where it's a wedding or is that four? No, that's three. Four is on a boat. Oh, no, okay.

was on a, like, a crew ship, wasn't it or something like that? Yes. A yacht. It's not a boat, mother-bye. It's all the same guys, too. It wasn't in a submarine going to the Titanic, though, so thank God for that. That's right. I'm sure the asylum is working on that movie as we speak.

I bet it'll be fucking terrifying. The last voyage to the Titanic is what it would be called. Yeah. Not the last voyage of the meter. It's going to come. out the same week. Watch, Pedro. It's going to happen.

I hope they throw some kind of supernatural thing in there or something. Oh, they will. Some kind of sea monster or something like that. Well, they're still alive. They're still alive. They were in an air bubble, and now they're like in an upside-down world or something. Yeah, it became Ant Man, Quantumania. Right. Now they're at a party with the people from the Titanic.

Yes. Or they have to fight them. We'll see. Oh. Anyway, we'll go to regarding Strangeland. Adam Bunch says it's underrated, fun flick and killer soundtrack. I love that movie. It is a great movie.

Are you interested in the sequels that he's D. Snyder's trying to do? Oh, he's been trying to do it for 25 years. I mean, will he ever? I don't know. But I mean, he's the lead villain in that and he dies. I mean, but then again, you know, they could always be. bring him back. Yeah. But he very clearly dies on screen.

And he's, he's always been presented as a regular, a horrible human being, but a regular human being nonetheless. So I don't know how they would bring him back. Because he burns to death in that movie at the end. We'll see. Maybe he comes back from some, it's a movie. I can do it anyway. Did he burn the death or was he just set on fire?

There you go. You're right. We don't know, I, you know, he died. Put it up. Oh, he could be a burned monster. That'd be awesome. Oh, he's Freddie Kruger now. Freddie Kruger, yeah.

Yes. All right, regarding death's roulette, Jason Morris says it's pretty decent, predictable, but worth the watch. I disagree with you, Jason, but glad you enjoyed it. That's roulette. I don't think I've seen that one.

I've got to write that one down. It's a Paramount Plus movie. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Zim Vader said he's been tempted by it, but hasn't taken the plunge to watch it yet. I, like I said, I didn't like it, but, you know, I don't know what the next person is going to like. These are just my opinion.

Somebody could think it's a great, fun movie. I just was bored and just thought they got to conclusions a lot quicker than they should have. And it doesn't live up to the name Des Rulet, in my opinion. Oh, that's right. I don't remember you talking about that one. Well, I'm going to watch it tonight. We'll see. I see, I see, I'm looking, I'm reading up on it right now.

It looks, it looks interesting. It's, it's, it's dubbed too. Very, very sawish. There's no getting around the dove version. Well, that's the version it is. Oh, really? You can't do like the original version from subtitled? As far as I know, it's, it's just dubbed.

Ouch. Is it a French movie, Brian, or? I think it's from Spain or, yeah. I think that's right. And regarding sympathy for the devil, Beade your mind says yes, yes, yes. Of course. And didn't mess on the computer screen.

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This week, we watch Oculus, as well as the brand new Insidious, the Red Door, because we've already done all the other Insidious movies, I'm pretty sure. The ones we needed to.

Well, the ones that were on when you guys had the show because the really good ones are before the show. Okay. I think because you guys have been going for a long as time. Yeah, but I think we did the original insidious. I'm sure we did the original and

the horrible last key. Oh, those are the only two? Okay. Yeah, I got to get that spreadsheet together, Brian, that we've been talking about. Yeah, I got to keep going back and looking. Sometimes I got to double-check my schedule. Because I think you guys did

Oculus already. Did we? I don't remember it. There's going to be some deja vu here. We didn't do Oculus with you, so. That's right.

There you go. There you go. Well, we'll do it again. Because I love this movie. Spoiler. So in 1755, Philip Lasser was found of their grand fireplace.

Burn beyond recognition. While as a state was dismantled and scattered throughout southern England, one of the family's stewards claimed to see Philip reflected in the mirror. An allegation apparently taken seriously enough to warn a church investigation into the house. The glass thereafter known as a

lesser glass is sold in public auction in 1758. The next known owner is an American railroad tycoon named Robert Clancy, 1864. Clancy apparently weighed over 300 pounds. In fact, while attending university in Connecticut, he was known as the South Windham Whale. He hung the glass in his ballroom in Atlanta. Later that year, Robert Clancy is photographed by a local

newspaper and, well, he's dropped a few pounds. A woman, Oculus from 2013. A woman tries to exonerate her brother who was convicted of murder by proving that the crime was committed by a supernatural phenomenon. Director is Mike Flanagan,

also known for Dr. Sleep and Gerald's game and a bunch of other cool stuff. Writers, Mike Flanagan and Jeff Howard and Jeff Seedman. Had director Mike Flanagan agreed to the film Oculus in the founding

footage genre, a number of studios would have backed it as early as 2006. However, Flanagan refused. Director Mike Flanagan has included the Oculus mirror as an Easter egg in most of his movies and

TV shows. It's in the basement of Ouija or of an origin of evil, the headboard in Gerald's game, and the walls in the haunting of Hill House, and in the Overlook Hotel in Dr. Sleep. Interesting.

Yeah. And just apply to him for not making this found footage. Not that I hate found footage, but just watching the movie as it is, there's no reason they should be running around with a camera the whole time. Yeah. Well, that's every found footage movie. Yeah. Oh, I think it could have worked as found footage, but not as well.

I agree. I'm glad he's stuck to his guns. Yeah, for sure. All right. Pedro, what did you think about Oculus? I liked it. I mean, it's never boring, right? It's a movie that just moves. And it's not, it's not a short movie at all. It's a pretty long movie. It's almost two hours. But there's never, there's never a scene that feels wasted, except one that I was starting to get very annoyed with. There's a scene where, what's what's, what's Kaylee, right? Kaylee's Karen Gillian's grown up. Well, just kidding, both as a kid and grown up. where she's trying to explain to her brother. And she's trying to connect the dots, right?

This is, and, and they spent a good 15, she literally presents like a, like a life, like in life, like fucking case. This happened and then this happened. And we're just there watching this, right? And then at the end of all this shit, the brother's like, well, that's confirmation bias. You know, there's been a thousand cases and you decided to choose the 12 that are going to prove your point. and I'm like, he's right. Like, what the fuck did we just spend out of this time for?

It just seemed like a scene that was going on forever. But besides that. It's funny you say that because the listeners would have heard that clip right before we started this review. Oh, I actually like that. It just to me, like, because the brother wasn't believing her. And every time he would come up with a counter argument, which he was correct on, she would just go on to bring more cases. And it happened like three times.

but then this happened and then this happened I'm like okay anyways but his thing was like that's confirmation biased and she's like yeah but how many fucking times does it happen to how many how many times does it have to happen to not be just a coincidence

and then he comes up with an example he's like if I like the what does he say like something about a teddy bear and then somebody dies there's like no cost and effect oh the couch yeah the couch they go they go through an entire lecture of what confirmation bias is

Yeah, I mean, that was kind of needed for the movie, don't you think? No, it was, it was. It's kind of like a big part of what it was about. It doesn't make the movie any less good. It was just something that I was like, come on, let's get it. Let's move on with this already. Plus his bullshit with the couch happened to just them. It didn't happen to every owner who's ever had the couch.

If the same shit happens to every owner that has the couch. But I know, I know causation does not equal correlation, but. That's what he says, right. I thought I really like how they handle the whole timeline thing, how they go back and forth in time. I thought that was pretty original. It has a very dark ending. You know, that fucking mirror.

You can't beat that mirror because once it gets a hold of you, it's over. Like, it's going to start fucking with you. And they learned that the hard way, right? When she ends up killing her fiancé is like, what the fuck? Like now the mirrors, now it's fucking with us, you know? And there is this whole point of like the message to me is like, just let fucking shit be. Like, she brought upon herself by stealing that. mirror and putting it in the house, you know, and now they're part of it too, right? So, um,

so in that sense, I really liked that part. I thought, I thought this movie was very original in the way that it was structured, you know, it's not a movie that you don't really see often. The tropes were different, you know, which I, which I appreciated. Um, again, the performances were all very well, including both the, um, the parents, you know, and, and also the, uh, the kids as grownups and as kids. So, no, I like this movie a lot. And this was my second time watching it. The first time I saw it was when it came out.

Now, I will say this. I forgot that this was a fucking WWE movie. Yeah. Oh, that was cool to see that at the beginning. And I was like, wait a minute. Because for a long time, anybody that saw WWE studios in the beginning of any movie, they were going to be in for a shit movie. You know, that was the rule.

But this movie is different. Yeah, this one and the one with the little kid with the movie with the big ears, that was also a good movie where Randy Orden plays a dad. That was also another good movie. I have no idea what you're talking about. I need to watch this movie now. But it was a drama. Yeah, so no,

I give it a, it was a good movie. I give it like a 7 on 10. 7.5 on 10. All right. Pretty high score, man. Yeah, no, I really enjoyed it. It's a really good movie. And I had forgotten how good it was. I got it to add it to my collection before they fucking edit the fuck out

of it on digital. And it no longer exist. Well, and then you even think about like the old Star Wars. Like, it's hard to find the copy that doesn't have the originally added bullshit in it. Yeah, the digital Java the hut and the

where you can see Hans Solo's foot going across through Java's tail or something like that. Well, that's in the new ones. Right. In the old one, yeah. Brian, what did you think about Oculus? Yeah, I really enjoyed this one.

I think this is a movie that Mike Flanagan has made that doesn't get talked about enough. I don't, I feel, and I thought the acting was pretty solid, you know, Karen Gillian. Even though I kind of didn't like, not that she played the character wrong, but I didn't like her character for throwing her brother in that situation. After what he just got through. The day or within 24 hours of him getting out of a mental, Institute for having to kill his father. I just, I don't know. I was just like, that was very selfish. That was very selfish of her. And I think as a grown-up, right,

as we grow and we understand human dynamics. And to me, it's like, it doesn't matter what happened. Like, my brother's out and let him, even if I believe that of what happened, you know, what is that going to prove? Because there's nothing to prove anymore. And she even kind of sets him up to fail, if something goes wrong because she tells her fiance if something happens, I'm at the house with my brother. Well, she did that

to kind of force him to... Yeah, but her brother that just got out of the mental institute. If something happens to me, I was with my brother. Yes, yes. And the key here is that he had already accepted his truth, which was whatever happened, it was his parents,

you know? So why not just, again, you know, let's leave corpse's lie and just put it to rest, but She didn't. And now at the end, he ended up going back, you know, is the fucked up. Yeah. Backfired for sure. I loved everything with the mirror.

It's just, the mirror itself was just so interesting to me that it's, it can manipulate time. It can make you see things. The whole thing with the plants, she had different plants throughout the house to see how far the range works. Because some plants were dying quicker than the other one, like it was drawing. on the light force out of the plants. Yeah. The same with the dog, which I'm glad the dog made it out. Yeah.

Because that was about to be fucked up. And everything, everything with the parents, I thought was great. How just slowly they both just kind of their descent into madness, you know, differently for both of them, you know, she became like a feral animal on a chain locked away. And, you know, the scene where he's just going mad. and the daughter's talking about I've seen you with this person and he's like seeing me with who and I mean was he with another woman or was the mirror manipulating the situation you know yeah and that scene where he thinks he's pulling off his band-aid but he's really pulling his nails off yeah that that was that was really good right there the fucking staple remover oh that's rough yeah just to just to look at katie sack off her as she's kind of going crazy

and just kind of like I said going feral just her whole look by the by the by the time she died was just I thought was really done well and yeah um fucked up ending but yeah

I felt she put herself in that situation I don't think I don't think uh she knew how powerful this mirror was she thought she knew with all her fail safes and time timers She did have a lot of film saves, yeah. She did have put a fence up around that motherfucker or something, no.

Well, try. Or she could have not gone in there because she knows the mirror manipulates you. Yeah. And like I said, I'm glad we didn't get found footage because the found footage would have just been the cameras pointed at each other. Because the mirror kept moving to cameras. Oh, yeah, good call. You know, you know, one of the things that I'm a sucker for, is when we see like these actors before they blow up like in these smaller movies and now you know we have like boccatan here we have nebula here so it's always interesting to see them doing these smaller movies right before they you know they end up blowing up themselves so it was cool to see that you know my planning my planning and definitely has a night for talent so that's yeah brendan thwaites he went on he's i know none of you i'll probably watch it but he's on that titan show and uh hmall max or max he's robin

The team titles? Yeah, he's Robin, and I think he was in the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Oh, that's a big moneymaker. Those movies seem really well. Yeah. Well, I think the dad had a lot of stuff. He, you know, not Liv Shriver. Right.

But, yeah, I really enjoyed this. Great, like, supernatural, like, psychological thriller. Yeah, very original. And then another thing too that I was happy to see is we see that in a lot of these horror like hunted house movies where the family dysfunction, right? There's already something wrong with the family dynamics. And to me, that's like their symbolism there, right? Because whenever you're experiencing something supernatural, it could be reflective of like real life stuff, like domestic violence or stuff like that. So that was kind of teased here as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the witch. I mean, you see it, you see it. You see it. and time again with these films that have a family that's kind of they're already there's already something there that's very real and not supernatural right and this is it's almost like that vibe brings up the supernatural entity right just the fact that they're already going through a lot of chaos within the family um and so that's interesting to see so i'm glad i'm glad that mike flanagan

use that trope here as well uh all right uh lance what'd you think yeah it's a well you know if you think about it um People have been fascinated ever since mirrors have been around in reflective surfaces. I'm sure there's been, you know, fireside stories and stone writings in caves and things like that about the dangers, right, of looking inside a mirror and like ending up somewhere else or being going somewhere else. Alice through the looking glass, you know, we could go on and on, right, about this fascination with mirrors. But I think I think Flanagan did a really good thing here, him and the guys that wrote the story, because you kind of got like the way that. they told this story, the way they filmed it was really a breath of fresh air, because you've got pretty much an equal amount of time of, you know, what was happening with the father and mother when these two were kids, and then it would go to another scene. In fact, they did it so seamlessly.

There were a couple of times when I wasn't sure what timeline we ran until I realized the age of the, you know, the kids or whatever, but I thought that was done incredibly well. I think there's just a lot of opportunity here. I'm really shocked. This didn't turn into, you know, a bigger franchise and more a series of movies. Maybe it still will. You know, I mean, this movie

wasn't too terribly long ago, but I just see so much opportunity here, because anytime you deal with mirrors and reflections, there's just so much double meaning and there's so many, you know, rabbit holes you can go down with what it means and all that. And I thought it was cool. I have a little bit

different feeling than you guys did. I don't think she was being completely selfish. I honestly think that in her own twisted way, because they all got twisted by this experience, make no mistake. Nobody came out of this unharmed. And I thought in her own twisted way, she wanted to kind of like save her brother, like redeem him in his own mind.

And that's why she kept saying, well, yeah, but those psychiatrists were all just brainwashing you. Yeah, they were just telling you what you wanted to hear. She wanted to prove that she wasn't insane. Yeah, physically prove that you weren't. responsible, you know, for anything at all that happened. So, you know, kudos to her. But at the end of the day, it ended up being a cautionary tale because, and that, that dark ending

was just phenomenal. So she allowed her brother to be locked away for 11 years? I don't know how much. She would have made the move a little beforehand. Yeah, you would kind of think so, right? Like, why did she pick just now to finally get in a position? And all she, all the, all the, all the Rube Goldberg stuff she had to do, right, to get in that position, like working for the auction house.

and being there when the knowing where the mirror was going to be. Oh, that almost turned into a heist movie, Pedro. With getting the mirror there at the beginning, I thought, oh, shit, is this going to be an Ocean's 11 scenario or something like that? I know. She could have just saved up 10 grand in pocket, motherfucker. I enjoyed it, man. And yeah, that scene with the two cameras looking at each other, freaked me out because they rolled the tape back,

and they had done all. They actually did that. The mirror made them go and do that. the camera so it wouldn't be caught. It was kind of interesting seeing that. Then they looked at each other and said, I don't remember any of that. Do you? Just like the whole manipulation of time

the scene where he tried to call for help and his phone wasn't working. And then after the scene with his sister getting an anchor in her head, the police are on their way because he did actually make the call. Yeah. Yeah, it was a trip. And we're like

any of those calls even going. any out, right? How close were they to the mirror? And I like the point Brian brought up with like, you know, you get the, get the plants and living matter close to the mirror and it like sucks the life force into what other alternate dimension it goes to or whatever. It just occurred to me. When he made that call, that's when they were outside looking inside, right? And they were seeing themselves, yeah, the room talking to each other and we're out, we need to go. Wow. That's when he made call. So that's, they were out. It's kind of a

mind fuck of a movie, isn't it? Yeah. Kind of like smile. Yeah, I'm thinking maybe she really was trying to help her brother, because I'm just really thinking about the scene, the flashback on when she was younger, when she actually did make it out the house. Right, right. And she's

maybe, and she went back in despite seeing all the disparates that the mayor killed at the window. Maybe maybe all these years it was just, her guilt of kind of not saving

Yeah, but there again as a therapist that I am in real life she's trying to come to terms with her own issues with her fear. So it's still very selfish,

you know? So she's trying to pacify her own trauma using her brother almost as bait to kind of come up. That's right.

And so that's kind of fucked up, you know? Yeah. Well, I get, yeah, like I get where

she was going, but like she could have, I mean, you're right, everybody had served all their time and done whatever they needed to do because of this thing. It was over. And she could have even still stolen it, set this fucking thing up, turn the timer on and left. Yes. That's not what she did. She wanted to get proof on camera. Yeah, yeah. Maybe once she looked into that mirror, Philip, it was all over, right? Maybe nothing after that was even true. That's a possibility. Yeah, yeah. The moment she stole it, the moment she went. through that movie that we never saw, the Ocean's 11 movie or whatever.

Maybe that's when they really took over her and that was over at that point, you know. Just hire a guy to do it and watch him. What do you think, Philip? Do you think it was doomed from the start the minute she got that mirror that this was going to come to this ending? Or did you think there might be a happy ending here? No, I didn't expect this ending out of it. And I, although they did sort of leave it open for a, another Oculus.

This is such an underrated movie, I think. It is. I don't know how it stays under the radar. Yeah. It's one of my favorites. Every time I watched it and I've seen it multiple times, it's got really good scares. It's got really good mind fuck moments.

And it's got a really good ending. And it leaves you wanting more. Yes. Yeah. Everything in the movie is earned, right? All the the scares are earned. There's no, somebody wakes up from a nightmare and it's everything is moving everything forward.

And that's what makes this movie so cool because even in smile, like smile, half of those were like, you know, either dreams or you know, hallucinations, which I hate and moves because that's like, that's a cop-out. Yeah, I normally do. In this film, no, I did like smile as well.

It did bother me in smile for sure. Yeah, but in this film, everything is earned, right? And that's what makes it very original, I think. Like even when they do the hallucination, Especially like the double-take hallucination with the apple and the life. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That was crazy. Where you're like, oh, man, she's fucked now. And then it actually was the apple. It was just fucking with her because it could. Like, it was a pretty cool moment, you know? And, yeah, I really like this movie. And it had a lot of big actors before they got big and not Lipshire. I looked him up.

He's been in a whole bunch of stuff. His name is Rory Cochran. Okay. The interesting role, everybody's seen dazed and confused. Yes. Oh, yeah. The main stoner kid. He's that guy.

Oh, that's right. Okay. I see the face now. That's right. Yeah. You got to put some gum at the base, man. You're not getting any suction. Yep, yep.

That's right. But he's like Fat Damon. Yes. Right? Shows up and a lot of shit. Yeah. But yeah, man. Very, very good movie.

This is always a classic for me. It's one of those that doesn't get talked about enough, but it always holds a special place in my heart. I'm surprised they didn't make a lot of sequel. There's no sequel to this. It's just, you know, you... That needs to be done. Somebody needs to get on that.

Even like those cheapies, like Dimension Extreme or all these companies that would make all these, like, direct-video sequels, like all these Howl-Razers sequels, you know? Yeah, but no, it was just the one of done. See, but I don't know, that sort of adds to it for me, because every time I watch this, I go and look for a sequel just to see if there is one, you know? And there's the short story. Yes, it's like a little short film of Oculus, but that's it.

And there's no sequel. And, like, there's a level of disappointment to it, but there's also a level that keeps it more mysterious and cool that it's not, that it hasn't, you know, had 100 sequels that all turn to shit. Yeah. And by this point, I don't think there will be one. This movie's pretty old at this point.

Yeah. 11 years old, never. Never say never in Hollywood, Pedro. That's true. You all know that. I wouldn't be mad if they remake it or make a sequel or something, but, like, do a completely different story with it. Maybe it had something to do.

Maybe they were expecting Mike Flanagan to come aboard to do a sequel, and it doesn't really seem like he does sequels or at least sequels of his own movies that he does. I'm okay with that. It leaves it as the original work of art. You could have the mirror in space. How about that? I would watch it.

Space mirror. You know, you could have it like in the 1800s or something. Jason versus Oculus. Send it back with a predator, Pedro. Why don't we just have a Oculus series in each episode is a different time period? There you go. Awesome.

Actually, I wouldn't hate that. Somebody's listening right now. Yeah. Screen box, get on that. All right. Scores. Pedro, what do you think? 7.5 on 10.

That's right. Lance? Eight. Eight. Nice. Brian? I think this is a really good solid film. The acting solid.

Enjoyed the story. I like all the effects. all the psychological, is this really happening? Is this really happening? Is that happening? So I'm going to go in between 7.75. Very nice. And I'm going to be the high man on Zodunpo. I'm going to give it an 8.5.

Cool. All right. That's what it deserves. All good scores. Yeah. Good movie. All right. On to Insidious, the Red Door, our new feature.

The Lamberts must go deeper into the further than ever before. put their demons to rest once and for all. You sure this isn't behind the green door, that porno in the 70s? You know, back before they shaved their bush? Director is Patrick Wilson. Oh, there you go. In his directorial debut. That's why he vanishes for half of this film.

I was wondering of shit. He's right. Behind the camera. writer is Scott Teams also known for co-writing Halloween Kills and Firestarter. Oh boy. Oh, fuck him. Oh, boy. Are we going to be 0 for three here?

Oh, my goodness. This movie marks the return of the Lambert family since the Insidious Chapter 2. After that, Insidious Chapter 3 and Insidious, the last key, are prequel set before. insidious. That was a lot of insidious said in that sense. And can I say what a miss they had with Insidious Chapter 3? Because at the end of the second one, the little girl,

the Lin Chey, or not the little girl, but yeah, the little girl that the team goes to visit, that's Jenna Ortega. Oh, yeah. The story. Oh, wow. No kidding. And chapter three, not only does it, it doesn't have Gena Ortega, but it has nothing to do with that little girl. Yeah, it just is another random ass person. Yeah, I just wanted to say that.

Okay, that's a good point. Well, they would have had to put a lot more zeros in that paycheck, though. That's the thing, if they wanted to keep that story going. I would think so, yeah. I would think so. So I have a lot of issues with this movie. Yeah. What are your issues with this movie? Okay, so first of all, we're not talking spoilers yet, right? Not yet. Not yet. Okay. So I'll just say this. I feel like it took a long fucking time for the symptoms to start coming up for both of them, for the kid and the dad.

There's an entire gap. There's about 10-year gap of shit that we're just supposed to just accept it's happening. Yeah. And it's like, what the fuck? What happened here? They explained it in five minutes. Did they? I missed that.

That must be the part I slept through. also they try to do that whole back and forth thing and I don't think it was working for me because I found the kid's story more interesting than Patrick Wilson's story which even if somebody said the opposite I wouldn't fight you on that it's just to me they were trying to get two stories going at the same time and it didn't really work for me yeah and so that's what it disconnected me like once once the story with the kids started building momentum that would switch over to Patrick Wilson's story and it will kill that momentum. And then we have to start over again.

And that's the whole first half of the movie. Yeah. Oculus did that the right way. This might not have been. Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Because Oculus. But Oculus was the same story. They were just going through different timelines of it.

Yes. Yes. Yes. And it connected. Like the previous story fed into the past and the future and so on. This was more like we're just following two different people. and we're just seeing where they're picking up from every time we come back to them

and they got kind of annoying after a while. Also, I will say that they weren't in the further as much as I wish they were. It seems like that was, I don't know if there was some budget issues there, but it seems like they built up to this big finale. We only got the fog machine for two days, guys.

That's why part of the synopsis about them going way deeper and the further that they've ever been to, it seems like you went. back to the same place. Yeah. And didn't say they very long either. Actually, really, only on the

edge of it. Other than Tiny Tim getting another payday, you know, it seemed like there wasn't much going on here, you know. And then when we get to spoilers, I have a question to ask you guys about to further and how it works. Well, let's get further

along into this review and then we'll get to this question. So, I had issues with that. I know that this film is kind of getting ripped apart online. It's not that bad, I don't think. Yeah, I mean, there's some people that really hate it. Some people like it.

You know, the usual nowadays on the internet. But I thought it was boring in parts. I thought, again, we're supposed to go into their world and we were not giving enough to be invested. Like, for example,

the family is not how we saw them, right? And we're supposed to care. And I don't care. I don't care about any of that, you know? And part of Patrick Wilson's motivation is because of

the failure that he's seen himself as over the last 10 years. But since we haven't, we don't have a lot of context, I didn't give a fuck, you know? So it was like, there was a disconnect right there. Also, the character that's roommates with

Dalton, like, oh, Chris? Yes. Yes. Like, what the fuck? What was the point of that character, like, she's the comedic relief. Yeah. That's the only character I liked in the whole movie, by the way. She's got to give a little levity after an intense scene. That's sure.

Yeah. After an intense jump scare. So either they went with the, so they didn't go the, the fat guy route on this one, right? Exactly. They went with the African American young lady. Okay. They didn't do the Spider-Man route. Well, the trope is the fat guy with any fucking movie with these kind of rows.

So, so, yeah, so I don't know. I'll say more during the spoiler section, but I was a little disappointed. However, I wouldn't say it was horrible. There was still something, I still had fun with it, you know. I did take a little nap here from here and there, but that's more my own fault than whatever the movie presented. And so I just, I just felt disappointed by it. I didn't like the ending at all. I thought the cameo quote unquote was kind of shoehorned in.

Like, what's the point of that, you know? Other than to put her there. A couple cameo shoehorned in. Yeah. Waiting for to show up in the fucking movie, man. And so, yeah. I mean, yeah, go ahead and you guys say your piece. That's where I'm at.

When we get to spoilers, I'll, you know, I'll talk more about it. All right. Lance? Yeah, this was a dud for me, guys. But I think honestly, no, truthfully, I think I kind of did, I think I did myself a disservice by not going back and watching the first two. Because Pedro, you nailed it. Like, they put us exactly 10 years after the events of what the first two movies, right?

What the family went through in the first two movies. And all of a sudden, and they are using the same actors from what I read. So kudos on that. But it's like we're actually. actually expected to follow that thread and care when they don't really give us any of what happened in those 10 years, except that one little scene where they snapped his fingers said, you'll forget everything. Boom. It never happened or whatever. Which I thought that was problematic. Anyways, that's another thing that I hated. Very problematic. Yeah, I didn't. Again, I honestly did.

I truly did go to sleep a little bit of this movie. And I was, I kept waiting for the action to happen. Did you remember what part? We'll talk about it. Yeah, well, it's when they got to the fringes of the further. And so it was like 99% into the movie. Oh, wow. I hated all the crap with, okay, here's what I didn't like. I really disliked the characters of Patrick Wilson and his son.

Understandably, I guess they've been through some shit. So they're, you know, I don't know, own edge or whatever. But it's like both of them are just being complete fucking assholes. But they had no chemistry together either. No chemistry at all. It was horrible. Well, they haven't acted in a movie in over 10 years ago. That's true. That's true, but the kid is throwing out lines like,

you know, when you mind you push you? You know? Because they're trying to, they're trying to throw out all these little lines to make up the fact that they're not giving you this whole backstory. I guess, I guess. That when Patrick Wilson is like,

what do you go party, do it for me? And it's like, what does that even mean? Go get high and go fucking fuck up your. life for me. Like, I, so we're supposed to believe that Patrick Wilson is this cool dad, right? That's like a party animal back in the day. And all he wants is his son to get the college experience. No. It's because he wants his son to have some fun because he's that teenage kid that doesn't listen. This is lame. Everything is lame. This sucks. You suck too. Everything sucks. All right. All right. With his fucking bedhead throughout the entire movie.

The line that got me that Patrick Wilson said was like, this fucking dick, he was. like, well, you better have fun here at college as much as I spent for the tuition. I have to say, he plays an asshole really well. He can play a cool guy, too, though, really well. But I kind of feel like Patrick Wilson might be an asshole. He might have that, huh? Well, he was directing, so maybe he was an asshole there, you know. He was in the Kubrick to the boy, right?

Like, not letting him sleep for... He probably slapped him a couple of times. Slapping him. Tell me which thing now, bitch. Oh, yeah, but that's it for me, guys. Very emo that kid. All right. Brian, what do you think? All right.

Let me try to start with the positives. Okay. I will say, I think Patrick Wilson did a decent job directing because it felt like an insidious movie. Yeah, I'll go him to that. It felt like in line with the first two, it's just I felt like this story should have happened

sometime within the past 10 years. Sure. Couldn't agree more. Yeah, couldn't agree. I didn't mind... Sheworn, right? I didn't mind him or the son. It's just, I didn't

care what was going on. You just kept telling me... Yes, that's the kiss of death. And this movie was a little too long for me, and if it was going to almost two hours, use a chunk of that time to show me what happened in the past 10 years. Because Rose Byrne, the wife,

you knew what the problem was. Okay. So you knew why he was acting the way he was. So I wanted to know why you ended up leaving him. What did he do? Yeah, what a bitch. Because if you're going to leave him, if you're worried for your children's safety,

you would have left him at the end of the second. movie not within the pad and you know sometimes they they had a there's a whole other kid they have another daughter they have a creepy kid from there he still looks kind of creepy by the way no they have a middle child yeah but they have a daughter now so there had to have been some time when you guys were together so give me give me some flashbacks about that and i have a lot of questions about the further i do agree we didn't spend enough time there i have some questions on how you move out. It was literally the front door. That's all we got. The red fucking front

door. They walked through it and that's all we got. Yeah. They didn't go deeper into the further. And you had the world's worst art teacher in the, in the class at the college. Yeah, yeah. Well, she just told, she tells you you're not good enough and then counts the 10. I feel like Patrick Wilson has a lot of conservative leanings with that scene because that kid that got his picture ripped up. I don't know, man. There was a lot of shit going on that I'm not going to get into. That I'm not going to get into here.

But that's pretty symbolic, huh? There was a lot of symbolism there going on. Let's see. Wow. I think about it that way. Yeah. He went there. Not too much I can say.

Patrick Wilson, not me. That wouldn't have been much. Not too much. Not too much I could say. without jumping in the spoilers, but I wish there would There's not much to spoil here, unfortunately. I just wish there would have been, with the runtime,

there would have been a lot more in the further and a lot more to see in the further. Totally. Couldn't agree more. It seemed like what we we got little things here and there during the movie that was in the further, and then we got a whole bunch of stuff all at once at the end

for a few minutes. And, yeah. I can't say I was let down because I wasn't expecting much Yeah, that's probably how I feel I wasn't, yeah, exactly, I wasn't pissed or anything like that, you know I was more upset with the part four I remember I was really upset with part four I was gonna say It is a step above

The fourth one The finger went the finger key thing Yeah, finger and people to unlock them Yeah That was bad But um Yeah, the direction was fine. The cinematography was fine.

It's just for the runtime, I just didn't, I didn't get enough. Brian, it's certainly very apologetic. You know what pissed me off? First of all, and I know this is only AMC theaters. They got to get rid of that Nicole Kidman Cornerstone. Please, please. What is the point? We're all, who's ever come back after COVID?

That's it. we're not going to get it. Whoever decided to never go back to theaters, you're not going to get them back. They're gone forever, all right? Now you're just punishing us who decided to go back by seeing that stupid fucking commercial every single time.

You guys get Nicole Kidman? I get Maria Manunos doing trivia. That's when you show up super early. I'll take it for any day over. But I was being apologetic for what? No, you just say, you're trying to say, The cinematography was good. Well, I'm trying to throw out some positives here.

I didn't hate the movie. It's not a bad movie. It's definitely nowhere near the first one or the second one. But it's a step ahead of the three and... Laskey or whatever. Last key bullshit. Oh, they did have those guys show up. They were watching a TV show.

Spoiler. Oh, is that a spoiler? well but that's kind of where I was going to go to is like chapter three and four kind of got a little bit schlocky with the comic relief guys that came in and did their whole number and it turned into like a fucking show and like what are we doing here see three and four sounds like what they're trying to do with the with the spinoff movie that's what three and four should have been this should have came out a long time ago yeah totally agreed and this one I actually really enjoyed it when I watched it, but I definitely can see the criticisms that you're talking about because that was the thing that my wife said. She said it felt like it was short. And I think what she meant was...

You know, my daughter said the same thing, and I looked at her, like... I looked at her, and then I looked at my phone at the time. I was like, sure. Well, I think it's because it has like almost a two-hour runtime, but they... Because they're trying to follow two stories, At the same time, there's not a lot of shit that happens.

Yeah, it's like that yellow jackets, which sucked in the second season, by the way. Oh, yeah, because it didn't reveal anything. That's what Marcus was saying, was that it was still good, but you just like didn't reveal anything by the end of it. No, but it's also two different stories, and they take away time, you know? So everything's building slow. But, yeah, man, I actually did enjoy it a whole lot better than three and four. well three wasn't terrible this one wasn't terrible four was fucking awful um but uh it was i i think a good little step in the right direction from the insidious franchise which

from all signs looks like they're continuing down that direction i don't know what's going to happen from here well i mean but it made decent it had a decent weekend and you know blundhouse makes their movies for cheap. Sure, sure. But good cast. I liked the characters. They sort of kept me intrigued. It was a little distracting following two

different stories. It was like just when something's really starting to happen, they'll cut away to when something wasn't happening for the other character, you know? And so that sort of pulls you back out of the action and puts you back into nothingness. So they didn't

even need the comic relief because they just pull you back into peace anyway. Yeah, I agree with you. I did not care for Patrick Wilson's story. Yeah, I think that was it. Just make it about the whole point about him freaking out about passing the stang on to his children.

Yeah, or leave his out of it, make the kid's story longer, and then Patrick Wilson still shows up later and gives you just a quick five-minute rundown of what happened. Oh, yeah, I went into this MRI and this shit happened and Ha, here I am. You know?

I got to. We'll talk about it. All right. Well, let's do scores and then we'll do stories. I already, I already slipped. I feel like I liked it probably more than you guys did. But we'll see. Pedro, scores.

I'm going to go six on 10. Six on 10. Yes. Not bad. This wasn't horrible. It deserves. the four on 10. Jesus.

Definitely. It's not horrible. Definitely. No. It's right there. I disliked it a little bit more than I liked it. Four on 10, right? Brian.

A little bit higher than Pedro. I'm going to go six and a half. And the extra point is I took my daughter. We did enjoy it. We were laughing at the grown man sitting next to us. I kept jumping out of the seat. That's got to answer. Sure.

So, yeah, six, six and a half. I took two of the granddaughters, and they loved it. So, yeah. But still, I took my 10-year-old to see this one. She has been re-watching the entire insidious franchise. You know what? She was very excited. Tell her it ends after three.

Brian, in all fairness, if I had seen one and two right before seeing this, I probably would have given it a higher score. I just had no investment. I didn't give a fuck about any of the characters. I remember you didn't really care for the series. Not a huge fan. But, I mean, yeah, one and two are definitely better than anything else. It's not my favorite horror franchise.

It is what it is. My daughter has rewatched all four of them at least twice before we went to go see this movie. She's been stoked about it. Yeah. Like, I waited for them to get home today. They were visiting my sister-in-law in Virginia. and I waited for her to get home today to go see it. Cool.

I felt bad going to see it without her. Yeah, yeah. And she loved it. She thought it was super scary, although she does love the jump scares a whole lot more than I do. I thought it was a lot scary than the last one. I'm going to go, I think a 6.5 is a pretty good score for this one. All right. Like, I don't want to hate on it too much.

You guys really enjoyed it. But yeah. This is this year's hereditary for you guys with 6.5. Where is your meter at, dude? We know where his meter is. He just heard him say this is not. Never forgive him for him. You just heard him. He said this is not a bad movie four on ten.

Yeah. I feel like your numbers are wrong. That's the contrarian. That's his name. But yeah, six and a half. I think this is a pretty solid movie. I don't have a. problem watching this one again. I don't want to watch Insidious the last key. That was terrible. Right. That was one I would have given a four on 10. I think you

gave it like a two or a three. You should have your daughter. You should have your daughter watched the trailer for Last Key so she can ask you where are all those scenes? I know. Oh, better than the fucking movie was. All right. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

Spoiler talk. Brian, you have Yeah, I don't understand how the mechanics of the further work. Because Dalton would, he would go into the further and he'd wake up in his dorm room. Okay. But Patrick Wilson

would go into the He would fall asleep at his wife's house or his ex-wife's house and then be at Dalton's. Let's talk about the fundamental flaw of this fucking movie. What's that? The hypnosis. Okay. Now, that used to work in the 80s back when our society was a little more accepting of bullshit like that.

Sure. But if you guys ever... Or the 1800s? Yes. Did you guys ever see that in Living Color episode where... They hypnotized Jim Carrey to clug like a chicken. Of course. And then the hypnotist died before he could snap him out of it. So now Jim Carrey is stuck clucking like a chicken for the rest of his life.

Dude, what a great concept. Who wrote that? And then when he tries to write for help, he actually tries to write for help. He clucks. Even when he writes like cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck. So here's the thing. That, so you're tired of telling me that you could just tell somebody, you'll never remember.

And then let me just poke you in the forehead for added effect. Wait, but you're trying to tell me you can bring somebody else out just by counting the... Some other random person, counting the 10th. Yes, and snap your finger. Sure. So that already... I'm a stepmom from succession. Ha!

So already, I'm already on the defensive right there. And that's like the first five minutes of the movie. All right? That's just bullshit. Now, let's talk about the real, like, the horrendous fucking... fucking secret that this family has to hold as a unit for the rest of their lives, including the kids, by the way. Yes.

Because the creepy little middle kid, he knows it too. Because whenever he's talking to Dalton, he's like, oh, you saw this? Like, he freaks up because now he knows that Dalton's catching on. Yeah, he keeps asking his mom about the vision of his dad coming at him with a hammer. And she just has to keep telling him, no, that's not real. That's just in your head. So to me, Rose Byrne is the real bit of this story. best idea of first place.

Yeah, Rose Burns the real... I'm with Pedro. I mean, you knew... You knew what was wrong with him and why he was having memory problems and having all these issues and you chose to leave him. I mean, unless you showed me

he was showing signs of violence to you and your family, yeah, but no, if he's just going through, as he called it, just being foggy in the brain. What does that even mean? Like, foggy in the brain. He's having memory problems from what I got. And so you left him?

Yeah, I mean, and so here's the thing. When did that start? Did it start like the week after they got hypnotized? Like, has this been going on for 10 years? That leaves a lot of open to interpretation. They had a drop line that said it was progressing as time went on. But you guys had like a daughter that was like five or six years. I was like, did it progress fast?

And the reason why we're talking about this, because that affected my investment in the characters. Like, I have all these questions and we never got answers. We're just supposed to accept them. And like, like you're saying, I think Brian, you said it's like 10 years was a long time. If this would have been a year later, two years later, fine. But 10 years to live like this, there's so many other problems. And of course, this is the adult in me seeing it from this perspective. This fucking family had so many other problems than whatever.

what's going on in this movie for fucking Rose Burns not to tell her husband what's happening, you know what I'm saying? Like, just letting him suffer like that. Why? This could have been a bull miniseries. Give me something. Give me, give me, give me a scene where he he's, like, having a hard time

like remembering shit and he lashes out at her. Yeah. Like, give me something, because you're just really coming off like you are the asshole out of the relationship, but you just kind of left him the way he is and still even left him and didn't tell him what's going on. Oh my God. Now, I'm also trying to be

positive here. One of the things I did like the way Patrick Wilson set up the scares with his story. Like with the dad, like, because the dad starts coming around very early on when he's trying to back away in the cemetery, the dad's already in the back. Remember, we see him there. And then of course, the window thing where he's trying. I don't know what he's trying. What game is he plays? Is it like a memory game where he's putting his family? Anyways. So the dad creeps up on the other side of the went to there as well. But that was cool, though. I liked that.

Yeah. And then when he finally breaks him through the window, that was even creepier. And so that was cool. I'll give him credit for that. Now, Dalton's scares, I thought we're a little more like tropey and, you know, not as effective. Like, when he sees the kid throwing up, you know, and he's got all that throw up on his shirt and his face. Whatever the fuck it is. Alcohol poisoning or whatever.

Yeah. With his stuff, I felt like. it should have been more than what it was. Like at the end when the roommates holding his body and he's, you know, he's passed out, he's into further. And then you got all these, I did like the demons or whatever they was, because they had like contortionists play the demons and they were all twisting around and they were coming from because they, you know,

they knew he was into further and his body was open free. I liked all that. But it just seemed like that should have happened way earlier in the movie. Agreed. Can you imagine Puking for eternity? Dude. Well, I've been in scenarios

in my younger years where he certainly felt that way, but eventually it runs out. That guy was still blowing chunks, man. So gross. Why didn't nothing? I wanted what's his name to die. Nick the dick.

Nick the dick? He didn't even do anything. I feel bad for that guy. They're like, man, fuck this guy. He's an asshole. Why? Because he's wearing a diaper and he's a jacket. I was going to say, why answer me this, guys, why were they all wearing baby diapers?

Because it was a crap party. It was a frat baby party. It was a frat baby party. Like, I mean, I get it. Play a little joke on him. But man, they were fucking mean to that guy. I was like, he didn't even do anything. I did want to see.

I did want to see the outcome of what she, he had asshole cream. that she went and put on the toilet seats. Put on there, yeah. But that should have paid off with him because he had to take a shit. And they never had to pay off, did they? No. No, there's a lot of things this movie never had to pay off for. Like I said, the side character of Chris, like what was her purpose?

Like, other than being the comic relief, you know? I also felt like she probably had a little bit of the eye for old Dalton. I mean, she wanted to take him upstairs to the bedroom. and Dalton being the emo kid that he was, what we're going up there for? You know? They're like, what the fuck? I did like her as the comedic relief,

but you could have cut her out and just had a situation where if he needed someone to talk, you know, because you have these similar problems that you're having talked to your dad, you know. Right. Yeah. Have them come together a lot sooner instead of you having to confide

in your roommate who's only known you a couple days And it's very understanding to everything that's going on. Everything. No kidding. She's super cool. Accepted it really quickly, didn't. I mean, she's also his link to reality. And it just, it makes the movie less intense while they're doing it, which probably helps

give it BG 30. I mean, I would love to have. She would, she seems cool to have, have as a friend. Because if I told anybody else this, I'm pretty sure they're going to think I'm crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to found out.

He wouldn't have been too happy with his diaper. with his diaper. Pedro, you wanted to talk about the cameos? Oh, yeah, yeah. So another thing that I don't like about it, and this is not just this movie. Every movie, ever since the advent of the internet,

it just, if you Google something, it's going to give you all the answers, right? That every movie does, every horror movie does that. Like, oh, let's go online, and there's information about everything there. Well, they do that here as well, because they're talking about the astro projection, right, and how you could do that.

But there's a thousand fucking videos on YouTube on that shit. They just so happen to find the two guys that are connected to this fucking movie, bro. And yeah, Lee Woonow now came back, right? Looking older, by the way, I hadn't seen him in a while, but he looks older now. Put on some weight. Yes, yes. And then also the other guy that with the wrestler voice, he was also. Angus, Samson.

The wrestler voice. Yeah. What's going on? Yeah. Yeah. I like him. Yes. He had the Mohawk in part three.

Yeah. So they were cool. I mean, it was, you know, they do that for a reason, right? It's like fan service. Oh, look, I know those guys. That's cool. I know. But, and they were also exposition, right?

They're moving the plot forward. But it was just so very, it's very convenient. And I don't like when movies do that shit, you know. It's like, oh, there's the answer. You say convenient. I say lazy. And then Lynn Shea's movie. The Lynn Shea cameo was fucking lazy.

She shouldn't have showed up at the end. She should have showed up at the end. She should have showed up in the further. She should have fucking told him something or warned him early. Instead of showing up smiling and say, everything, I'll be okay. Remember in Portchie, she scared the ghost away by stomping her foot, which we all laughed at hysterically.

Remember in Part of Fortune's like, you're going to go away right now. She just stomps her foot. I do remember that. The ghost backs up. You guys remember that movie a lot better than that. Yes, yes. The cameras were cool, but I just didn't like the purpose. of them, but I like seeing those guys, you know.

But again, no, just different, like, just fundamental things. Like, why the fuck are we supposed to care? You know, Roseburn was there to cash a paycheck, nothing else. She had, like, two scenes in the entire movie. Yeah, I didn't have much screen time, did she? They didn't even more screen time than Lynn Shea did. Well, yeah, see, I was wondering if there was some falling out in the filming between her and Patrick Wilson, you know, kind of like,

I lie that shit with, um, what was that movie? Don't worry, darling. All the bullshit that happened. Oh yeah. I wonder if there's any behind-the-scenes stories on this one. Now the way social media is and everything, we probably would have been heard about that. You would think so.

You would think so. But I really expected Lin-Shea to show up more in this one. Yeah? Because I knew that she was in it. And then I was like, that's it? Like, yeah. I mean, even as a cameo, she couldn't have shown up in the further

to just add a little something to it, you know? They didn't even bring Barbara hurt. She bag. They just killed her off in the first minute. They showed her in a picture. Yeah, I was going to say she's there in that picture of her 10 years ago. Apparently, she didn't age. Which I still don't buy as Patrick Wilson's mom, by the way. I don't know the age gap, but I'm not buying it. Well, who knows? She's had a lot of work done, so there's no talent. Well, we don't know that. You really hate this movie, man.

I don't know. I just watched a Dr. Phil episode on an 11-year-old that was pregnant. Aye. On that note, you think we guys have covered enough on this one? Real quick. Patrick Wilson is 50 years old. Okay. Barbara Hershey is 75. Oh, okay. All right, it works. It works.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the hippie dad never made it past old age because he died when he was in the 70s. Yeah. He was off a building or something, right? Is that what they were saying? Yeah, he jumped off. The insane asylum. How did he get up there?

The Black Swan this movie was not. But, you know, at least he didn't have an appearance, right? That was stalking Patrick Wilson. We never found out why. I guess he was trying to give him information. I guess so. He just vanished. He just vanishes midway through the movie.

And again, again, the further, which is the big main event, the big buildup, the reason why we're there for. We probably got like, what, 10 minutes of it, if that. That's what sucks, man. They vanquished the bad guys. Yeah. And then Lynn Sheik comes out and says, you got this. And real quick, I know we're trying to, I know we're trying to wrap up.

I know we're trying to wrap up, but I just had a problem with him. Had Patrick Wilson waking up from his thing the same time as his son. Yeah, sure. Did they get hypnotized together? No, we haven't even talked about making the wall. Remember? At the beginning, Patrick Wilson doesn't make the wall. And then at the end, he has that picture of holding him his son with a little lantern.

Because they have to remember. Yes. I like that. I like the little end thing. Like, if you're going to have a happy ending, throw that up there. I was like, okay, that's cool. It was more a father-son movie. He paints over the door,

and the door gets painted over in the further, and the end-credit scene is the light comes on, that the door is still there, I guess. We're going to have another one, I guess. Yeah, oh, no doubt. That was it just in case. I want more of that very conservative art teacher and then in the next movie.

I think she should get her old movie, because that was the most that was the most fucked up thing I saw it that movie ripping up that poor student which you know alternative lifestyle

I'm gonna go ahead and assume just by the way he talked and he carried himself and yet this bra just ripped up his picture man that was mean I never thought about it like that but that's hilarious Patrick Wilson

with a statement on that one he snuck it in Oh, so Pedro, you got any other stuff coming up, man, besides, like, you've been in any wrestling events? You got me, any wrestling meetups coming up or anything? We had a, well, we just, wrestling has been in the news lately. They have, yeah, we started recording some KLB episodes once again. Nice.

And so people go go to iTunes, KLB should come up. But yeah, no, wrestling has been, yeah, it's been going good. So we're looking to do more episodes. but other than that, no, man, it's always a fun time coming here with you guys and shopping it up on movies. Always good. And Brian, Brian, you said y'all got your technical glitches worked out

on the... Wrestling is up, and action returns is up, and... Nice. We got me and Ness, we got something else for you, for you listeners, for your Patreon listeners. Very nice. Cool. And we'll be wrapping up Hannibal over the next two weeks,

and then officially starting Tales from the Crip. And I think, Brian, you said you want us to do that in a commentary format? Yep, you're going to get a commentary on each episode. Another reason to throw us a dollar a month, right? Oh, that's pretty cool. There's some episodes that I kind of want to be a part of there, because there's some classic tales from the Crip. I mean, the whole first season is a classic.

Oh, absolutely. Five of the best episodes of all time. But even in the later season, there's some good stuff as well. Yeah. It went for a little while on HBO, right? It was an HBO show. Yeah, about seven years. But HBO was HBO.

Yes. All right. Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. You can find us at thehorrorreturns.com or go to our web or send us an email at thehorror returns at gmail.com. Become a Patreon, patron. Rate us and review us on whatever you listen. to, whether it be Apple Music or

Potomatic or whatever. Next week, we're going to be joined by our good friend Tavares Ellis from Student of the, speaking of Houston area, guys. Tavaris will be here from Student of the Game podcast, and we're talking about, um, it,

am I reading this correct, Brian? Birdbox and Birdbox Barcelona? Yep. The fuck is that all about? Like a sequel or is this, like? Like, your understanding is this, this is what was going on in Barcelona during the same time frame?

Yeah. Yeah. Trailers and all kinds of news you can find at the horror returns on Facebook and other social media sites. Should have been caught up, Lance. I guess so, yeah. Get into that, yeah. This all takes place in Barcelona, and I believe the main actress, I can't remember her name. She was the main one in Barbarian.

Nice. All right, cool. So until the horror returns again, Philip, good night.