The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #373: Bird Box (2018) & Bird Box Barcelona (2023)

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

This week, we are joined by Tavares Ellis of Student of the Game podcast to talk some Bird Box. Cool of the Week includes Secret Invasion, The Sound of Freedom, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, and Horrible Bosses. Trailers are Herd and birth/rebirth. The podcast spotlight shines on Good Beer Bad Movie Night. And we get feedback from Xim Vader. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz  

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This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everybody, to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always. We've got Brutel Brian, the return of Brutal Brian. Not as brutal as the Texas summer, though, my friend, but, you know. We got Fabulous Philip. What's up, man?

Doing fabulous down here in that Texas summer. It is pretty brutal. All right. Well, we're going to all commiserate together from the Houston area heat because we got our man Tavares Ellis from Student of the game. What's up? It's been a while. What's up? What's up?

What's up, fellas? Yeah, it's been a while. He's been a while, man. I'm trying to stay cool in this Texas heat, man. Yeah, well, last time we were talking before we aired, we thought we were calling you and we talked to somebody else. Oh, yeah, yeah. Did he start talking about the movie or did he just say?

No, he just started talking like he knew who we were. Yeah, I was like, you're ready to go? And he's like, yeah. We started talking about the movie and then he wasn't there. And I was like, yeah. Yeah, I think he thought he knew us and he was ready to go. And then we started talking and then he realized he didn't know who we were. So when y'all called him was a precarious situation.

So when y'all called him, was it a straight audio call or was it a video call? Yeah, audio. That's when we were only doing audio. And I was, I think that was the night I was out of mom's house, if I remember. And I had to, like, use my iPhone and I had the robot voice going. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So that never helps either.

But, yeah, a little late getting the show started tonight. All the times I've gone San Antonio to Houston on I-10, we've never made that 20-mile detour down to Shiner, Texas. Yeah. Checked at the Spetzel Brewery, man. Took the brewery tour today on the way home. Okay. That's a hell of cool of the week.

Well, real cool of the week, man. I ran into a dude. I'm going to do a quick shout out here because this guy, This guy was doing a lot of musical numbers, like country, punk, rock, pretty much everything. And then between songs, he kept telling stories, I'm like, okay, there's a thing going here. And he was telling story.

He was tying basically every song to a movie. I was like, I think this is our kind of guy here. Yeah. And when he started talking about American Werewolf in London and Rick Baker being like one of his all-time heroes, I'm like, okay, you know, talk to this guy. So, Jeff, if you're listening, we're going to give a quick shout out. Jeff Jacobs Band in Texas.

Right. Out of the keg is their album, I think, out of the keg. That sounds like a Texas band. I like it. Yeah. So Tavaras, tell us about what's going on with your podcast, man. Oh, man. Well, right now, you know, taking a break from, well, right now we got the NBA offseason going on.

I've been following my Houston Rockets with a drive. Summer League. Summer League play. Matter of fact, I think the Summer League championship game is today or like the second round of the playoffs is today. So I'm going to just catch the highlights of it. But you've got the football season coming up. I'm getting ready for that.

Looking forward to see what these Texans going to do with our new quarterback, CJ Stroud. And I mean, I'm just excited as far as everything sports-wise. on the entertainment side let me see I'm in my TikTok feed man I don't know about y'all but I've been getting a lot of

you know they got the writers and the acting strike going on right now of course of course yeah I saw something and it was talking about yeah you know if you're a podcast or a YouTuber and you're talking about movies you're pretty much a scab and stuff so I'm like

oh come on that's dumbest I'm like, I'm a scalp, man. I'm like, and for some reason I get a lot of them. That's what I'm like, wow. Trying to tell me something, but I'm like, nobody's paying me. So how am I a scab, you know?

Right. That's not the universe, man. They're trying to push an agenda. Yeah, yeah, exactly, man. And I'm like, I'm a scap. I'm like, okay. I'm like, if you're going to call me a scap, then you know what? Hey, go ahead, put me in a movie and pay me to be in a movie then.

You know, let me earn the scam. title, you know? Like the movie the replacements. Huh? Yeah. There you go. Exactly. Exactly. Hey, I'll be Joe, what's the name? Joe Flacco. Joe Falco, I'll be Falco.

Man, I'll be here, man. Shoot, storm quarterback. Yeah, we'll get some stripper cheerleaders. It'll be great. Hey, for real. You know what? Yeah. Hey, hey, that'll be better than the regular cheerleaders probably.

We'll probably get more people attending games, too. Very true. Who knows? So yeah, man, the podcast's been going pretty good. I've been up a little bit on TikTok. I've been doing a lot of reals. And I've been trying to get those YouTube numbers up to. So, you know, it's work, man.

Well, y'all know. It's work, man. Yeah, it's tough being a scab. Come on, crossing the end. Exactly, right? All right. You know what, Lance Day? I'll make a good shirt.

man, it's tough being a scam, you know? Hey, you heard it here first, everybody. There's pus, it's itchy, it's not clean. All right, Taboras, you know how this works, man. Cool of the week. It can be anything. It can be the Summer League. Anything at all.

No limits. Well, as much as I'm enjoying the Summer League, right now, my cool of the week is, man, I am so deep into secret invasion on Disney Plus, man. No spoilers, please. Yeah, I'm not going to spoil anything for you, bro. I'm not going to spoil anything for you. But, like, watching that show, I mean, it's just like if you're watching Invasion of the Body Snatchers or what was that movie is called puppet Masters, came out in the 90s with Donald Sutherland.

Watching that show, man, it just makes you, it makes me want to rewatch all the MCSA. you movie so I can go back and see, okay, I think he might be a scroll. Oh, no. Okay. Yeah, no. All right. No, no, I kind of knew that. I kind of knew that.

But, you know, I am so deep into that show. It's like, dude, I have, like a sheet of paper where I got, like, from the full front page and the back page on who I think is a scroll and why I think they're scrolling and stuff. So, I mean, I am totally invested in that show. I mean, it's not like you're normal. normal like Marvel movie or show that you watch because let me see they're like four episodes deep into it okay and like I got a, me and my wife we got to screen it first before we allow the kids to watch it because it kind of has like a I'll say the tone of the show is kind of

like, kind of like X-Files. Okay. So it's like you know, it's certain things on X-Files. It's like, I, okay, we can't let the kids watch that. So, but it's not like how She-Holk or one division where it was more of a lighter show, more of a kid-friendly show or like Miss Marvel, which those are three good shows, but it's just something different, you know, it's very grounded. But I'm heavily invested in that show. And like, seriously, it makes you rethink, like, it makes you question certain characters, even Avengers, that are in the previous movies, man. It's like, hey, dude, might have been a squirrel the whole time. or that chick might have been a scroll the whole time, you know?

Interesting. It's going to rewrite everything or rewrite some of the time lines. Possibly, possibly, because I think I didn't read the comic version of it, but I used to watch the Avengers, the Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series, came out about 10 years ago, and it kind of made you look at certain characters differently, you know, because what happened was is that the scrolls, like whoever they'll take over, They kidnapped him or her, so they trapped somewhere, you know. Oh, wow.

Okay. Yeah, so all this time, the Avengers, while they've been fighting certain battles, you know, somebody who they thought was their teammate was actually a scroll. That's a trip. Yeah, it's a big-time trip, man. So you got like a whole conspiracy theory of Ford trying to figure out who's who, huh? Oh, I have a whole bunch of them. Like Charlie Day and that mean.

But I thought when you said that. Yes. Yes. Like, I'd be randomly just telling my wife different stuff. And she's like, okay, Tavares. Like, okay, you're taking it too far. Okay. I'm like, no, no, yeah, yeah.

I'm telling you, I think this person is a squirrel. And she's like, well, well, do a video on it. And I've been doing some videos on it. But it's like, dude, I probably got like 50 more videos I need to do. And I don't know when I'm going by the time. It seems like it's a lot to keep up with. It is. It is. I need to hurry up and do those videos before football season starts.

I know I'm not going to have time with football season starts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's my cool other week, man, secret invasion. All right. Well, I'll jump in. I actually did watch a few things this week that weren't just, you know, some garbage TV show.

But having said that after watching Succession, somebody was like, oh, that's the gay roommate and Scott Pilgrim. And I was like, is it? Curing Colkin? Yeah. Oh, okay. And I was like, oh, it is. And so I went back and watched Scott Pilgrim versus the world. Fantastic movie.

It's a good one. Yeah. And so I had a good time with that. And I thought, you know what? I'm going to go back to some more good old classics. And one that I haven't watched in forever is Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind. Oh, wow. Dude, great movie.

I know it's sort of a love, hate thing with people, but I love it. I think he was beautifully done. and I also checked out devil's candy you guys seen that one oh eat the number oh yeah

yeah the one guy with the eyes no not Bill Mosley fuck who is in that one the bald guy with the eyes the heavy set guy he was at the end of bird box

yeah yeah okay that is the guy yeah the guy what a soundtrack they've got you know

Metallica and Pantera bars playing through the whole thing. Ethan Embry is awesome in it. It was so much better than I thought it was going to be. I was really impressed with that movie, man. It was awesome. Just for that, man,

we're going to play our Ethan Embry sounder before this episode. Actually, I think that movie came out when we got that sounder. I think you're right, man. I think it was right. I can't believe it was the first time I watched it. Yeah, it's a good one. And then my wife took me to the theater. We saw the Sam.

the sound of freedom that is my dude so that's it that's the best of all movie man yeah it was I mean it's hard to watch right yeah it's hard to watch and yeah you'll definitely have a few tears

especially if you have kids but uh yeah great movie man it was totally worth it I was impressed and it's killing at the box office I've heard so yeah I heard nothing I heard nothing but good reviews on that movie I definitely that's something I'm dead

I'm definitely going to check out. Yeah. I can't believe it took them five years to get it out. Oh, wow. In the can, like five years ago. They're lucky it came out before the rider's strike and they would have had to have been scabs. I know.

Yeah, yeah. It's going to be even longer for things now that the actors are going on a strike now. Yeah. This can make things interesting. The next couple of years are going to be sparse. Well, a lot of CGI fire, Brian, and nothing else. It feels like a few hours of C. have fire.

It feels like the pandemic as far as news is. Well, it's all right. Everybody quit. That's the news. Brian, you want to jump in? Yeah, I've seen a few things, too. Off of you and Matt's recommendation, I checked out, Jessica.

Yeah, that's that right? Jessica I just Mike Tyson saying it Every time he It actually When it gets to a certain part of the movie It actually makes sense

Why it's called Yeah Once you Yeah that particular ghost Is it a ghost of Mike Chison? No Let's not get too much away Yeah

It's a quirky Fun little Little ghost movie You know Basic premise is a lady has a stalker after her and she finds out it's a ghost

and you get to find out why he's back and why she wants to be away from this guy because after 10 minutes of listening to him I wanted to be away from him. So we just have a list. Yeah, you got it. You got it.

The list really kicks in when he says her name. That's fantastic. I'm not going to be Stop laughing. Yeah, it's kind of a horror comedy, wouldn't you say, Brian? Yeah, funny enough, because I was looking up some actors on IMDB. It's not even listed as horror.

Oh, really? Yeah, which I thought with the whole ghost angles, one of the genres listed, but it's not. But I would definitely put it as like a horror comedy slag. I throw a little drama in there. It's a good little mixture. It's the short movies. Like, what, under an hour and 20?

Yeah, that helps. It's always good to have a movie you can kind of get in and get out, you know, during my lunch break at work or whatever. Those are few and far between that. They are. That one's on Screenbox. Of course, Lance mentioned it. So, yeah.

Screenbox should be sponsoring us as much as we talk about them. We might can work something out. Then I went over to Shutter. checked out the new movie that dropped I think Friday, Thursday night Friday, something like that Quicksand. Okay.

I would compare this movie. Have you guys ever seen Open Water? Where the couple get left in the ocean and they got to not only deal with the sharks but the elements. I kind of compare that to that except

Quicksand and then like the elements of the rainforest because they're in South America. and I really wanted to like this movie, but it was kind of boring. It almost felt like the quicksand wasn't quick enough? Yeah.

It was more so like they were stuck, not sinking. Gotcha. Yes, yes. No sense of danger, right? Yeah, and then as far as like other elements, like they didn't really play a factor. and it was a little bit disappointing. It is another under an hour and a half movie,

which I'm kind of liking this trend that we're getting these 90 minutes or hour and 20. So, but yeah, I just kind of miss with all that, with the quicksand aspect and the elements of the rainforest. I thought that was going to play a big factor into it. And I kind of didn't believe the ending. Ah, okay. It was kind of a Deus X Machina.

Somebody saved him at the last second or... Yeah, I'm not going to spoil it. I'm not going to spoil it, but it just kind of like... It was a little... I'll just put it this way. It's a little too happy of ending for me. Ah, yeah. Yeah, Philip Taboros, it sounds like a helicopter

to show that right in the nose. Was it about to go out of the quicksand? But my cool is a week. is a movie you saw in the theaters and you did not like Lance and I actually actually I had fun with it and that was Transformers Rise of the Beast.

I knew it. Oh, I love that. It's going to be on one of my 10 lists this year, Brian. I don't see why because I mean it's a Transformers movie so you're getting what you're expecting out of it I guess. That's kind of what

I was thinking. But I like that it's it's coming off of bumblebee, which was kind of a soft reboot of the franchise. So it's not a continuation of the Michael Bay movies. And I like that. And I like the, I didn't really get into Rise of Beast, the cartoon. So I'm not too familiar. But I thought the designs were cool, how they transformed into different animals.

And Peter Dinklage is one of the villains, voice of the villains. I thought he had an awesome sound of voice and Unicron. Unicron's badass. I remember him from the cartoons. Unicron. What a stupid name. Maybe I just watched the cartoons, Brian. Maybe that was the problem.

Yeah, it hits me in the nostalgia part of my heart because a lot of the, a lot of the autobots that were in it, like I remember them from the cartoons. I wasn't familiar with the, I don't even know what they're called. called the animal ones because they're not the the anobots the antibiotics that sounds Anabolic's probably are the antibiotics they're not exactly unique in their names but I thought it was fine I thought the action was good I noticed there was the main actor I'm surprised you this didn't

get like a high score from you the main actor was in a musical I don't remember Dane Dahan being in the Transformers movie what I was going to say day dawn oh no you said he was an abusive oh oh shit

was it in the heights yeah that's right that's right in the heights oh that was coming right out of COVID remember like that was one of

the first movies max put on straight to video I think after and I'm not going to spoil it but Lance you know what I'm talking

about the crossover Easter egg yeah that's definitely setting something up for sure. Yeah, give me, give the people what they want. If you want to do something new and fresh, tomorrow's, you probably already know about the crossover. Oh yeah. Yeah, I saw it. I saw the movie. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Just give, give it, give it to us. Might say both franchises, huh? Yeah, for real. For real. But yeah, yeah, you don't go wrong with that?

Yeah, that's probably going to be my cool of the week. And I'm doing a lot of, a lot of podcasts. prep for other shows for the network so oh good deal well we're looking forward to that man you're we're gonna call you super scab so you're really crossing the picket lines yep I'm profiting off

everybody's misfortunes all right well I'm gonna just trying to heal the wound man that's what a scab does at least we're not the film actors guild right great spin on that at least we're not

the film actors guild yeah um so i'm gonna take a page out of phillips book this week guys i'm going straight up comedy okay okay i'm going straight up comedy this is a movie i i haven't seen since you know it had been out for about a year but i forgot and you mentioned charlie day earlier guys and that

that's why i thought okay i thought i do know now what my cool week's going to be but the original horrible bosses oh yeah oh so fucking hilarious, man. They go into that bar, Jamie Fox is hitting their, mother fucking Jones, motherfucker Jones. And he's like,

he's like 30 G, 30 big ones or something. They said, well, we don't have 30 big ones. And they say, okay, five big ones. He says, all right, five big ones. Then they meet him with a briefcase. And it's got just that little thing of money in it. And he says, well, five won't get you. He says, look, I just did a dime.

and, you know, I'm something really nasty. So I can't come back yet. So I'm going to be, here's what it's going to happen. I'm going to be your murder. What did he call himself? Be your, uh, was a consultant or something. Murder consultant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's going to walk him through how to pull off the murders. But when they, they went out. Oh, man, that scene with a, where they found all the cocaine in Colin, Colin Farrell's apartment. in there his house and what was it I think it was Charlie Day right that was playing with it and he fucking dropped it

and he said oh that's not good yeah yeah dustbuster and filter better than it had any right to be what's the name was fantastic in it uh Jennifer Anderson yes very much

you know what honestly yeah yeah yeah I got to be honest if I was in if I was in Charlie Day's position I think I'd just roll with it Yeah, that's not a thing to complain about. Yeah, horrible bosses, guys. Cool of the week. Totally outside the road. That's a good movie.

Good movie. I love Kevin Spacey in that movie, man. Oh, yeah, such an asshole, man. The scene where his wife, Claire from Claire Dumphy, where she gave him a surprise and, like, his reaction, because he was like, damn it, damn it, she know what I doesn't like, I don't like surprises. That's what I'm.

I don't know. But that just felt, it looks so authentic. Like, I actually believe this dude. You probably really don't like surprises. Right. It was like, man, that part. I'll always laugh at that part, man. That's a real good movie, though.

Real good movie. I mean, he fucked up. Say what you like about Kevin Spacey, but the man can't act, you know. The last surprise didn't turn out so well. Yeah, that last surprise popped up on it. But, all right, guys. I think now it is time for horror headlines. brought to you by Brian.

And take it away, Brian, scab reporting. Scab reporting. It's going to be at very minimal this week. Let's start with the return of the living dead is getting a reboot, but they're saying it's going to expand the existing world. So it sounds like, what do they call it in Scream? A requal? Oh, okay.

All right. Yeah, I'll buy that. Okay. Philip. Philip ain't buying it. Look at him. Don't care. Anybody good in it? Or is it just kind of an interesting?

Well, I think the original creator is involved in it. I don't know if it's got any casting as far as now. So, well, there won't be any casting as far as now. I wonder if they're going to bring back the two dudes who was working like in the more i think that was in the second one and then i'm the first one too i forgot their name they can bring back tom matthews the younger guy but i think the older gentleman i think he passed away a few years ago so oh man all right man i would love for them to bring tom matthews back

kind of play the basically the same role but uh to how they just kept changing his character's name yeah yeah that'll be cool that'll be cool that'll be cool man man uh, Lance is looking like, uh, you're going to have to wait until September for the Walking Dead Dixon. Oh, man. In September. I can wait. I can wait. And they release some pictures.

Walking Dead news. Walking Dead news. And it looks from the pictures, he's going to be fighting some nuns. All right. On one. Nun zombies? That's new. Oh, it looks like a...

Just fighting regular nuns. It looks like regular nuns. They had a great opportunity there. They dropped the ball. They're the ones from Monty Python and the Holy Grill. It's the Walking Dead, so there's opportunity for nun zombies. Sure. That's true.

Sexy Nunz zombies. I'm so behind on Walking Dead, man. It's ridiculous. You got to talk to Lance for everything Walking Dead. As much as he tries to tap out of it he comes back. And once I saw they came out with a show

with Maggie and Negan and I'm like, I love Negan. But Maggie, there is no way in hell I know. You should be working with Neegan. Like, you should have been ended Negan and then when she came back, it's like, now you want to try to kill him. I'm like, well, he didn't

your friends have became Negan friends now. So, I mean, it's too late for that, you know, but I just can't believe they have their own show. That's where I'm like. It makes no sense. No sense at all. Try watching it,

try watching it, dude. You're kind of, I couldn't get through the trailer. I couldn't get through the trailer. Smart man. I'm like, you know what? I'll start watching it whenever, because I heard Rick's supposed to come back.

Rick and Michelle's a hell show. That is one thing that will definitely pull me back in. Yeah, so I'll definitely watch that. The title of their show is Rick and Michelle. Love it. I bet they fall in love. Negan and

Oh, Negan and Maggie? Yeah. Jesus Christ, dude. It'd be the biggest turn in history. That's a hill turn right there, huh? Wrestling fans. Maggie, both of them are alive. That's what I'm like, that's what's going to end up happening, watch.

And I'm like, then I'm going to... They're going to have a little Negan running around? Little baby baseball bat. He killed her husband with a baseball bat, and she's going to have his baby. Give him a little bat. Hey, hey, and Little Negan is going to be picking on Lil Herschel and starts with him. All right. Oh, my goodness.

Let's see what else we got. Show favorite Samara weaving is going to star in a heist thriller titled Eni Meany. Okay. Okay. They can call it anything, right? Yeah. The trailer better be good, because that's a dumbass name. Let's see, we reviewed the trailer, I think, a few weeks ago, Cobbb.

Yep, Bobweb. Oh, yeah, that one looked interesting. That is officially rated R for horror violence and strong language, so. As it should be. That's a good sign. Kind of struggling here to find some news. anything in the world of like horror literature or comic books or wrestling i'm not here guys come on wrestling you guys you guys you guys

you guys want some action news sure yeah give it to us let's see if there's even any action news probably not oh we got you're on strike too we well there was some superman movie newscasting we officially getting our first green lantern. Okay. Nathan Phelian. What? That dude's kind of old.

Well, there's a day, James Gunn said there's going to be multiple green lantern, so he's going to be an older. I think he's playing Guy Gardner, so he'll be an older version. All right. All right. Then Dave Don will be the younger version.

And let's see, Isabel Merced is going to be Hot Girl and and I'm going to probably mispronounce his name. Eady. Gathageth G. G.

Not Eadie, I mean. No, he's going to be Mr. Terrific. Which I really, I really expected this from James Gunn. Yeah, I really expected this from James Gunn because of the movies that he's done, like Guardians and Suicide Squad, he's had like these obscure, you've got to really be deep in the comic books to know these characters. Right. well we may we may talk about polka dot man in one of the movies tonight guys yeah i'd have a polka dot man

appearance tonight still can't pronounce his last name he's got a better name than mr terrific and uh my name is superhero man there was some set photos released uh wolverine's gonna be in his uh official costume from the comics in Deadpool 3. The yellow costume? Yep. Yeah, I saw a picture.

I don't know if it was real. Yes, it's... Okay. If it's the one that I'm looking at now, it's really. Oh, cool. I can deal with that. And I heard a rumor

the Deadpool 3 is basically going to be Deadpool kills the Fox Marvel Universe. Like, they're bringing back. Ah, okay. The Marvel character Fox had it.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's kind of neat. I like that. And I think that's about it. Well, all right. So, Tavaris, you ready to head down to the trailer park? Yeah, let's go. All right. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer to talk about tonight, Ryan?

Another month, another zombie movie. The first one is heard. But are they? I mean Yeah Zombie-ish I was going to say I didn't even really get zombies out of that Although I'm watching them right now with the sound off because I forgot Right And they're like

This one is labeled as action horror and the synopsis Is when a young woman trying to outrun her past Ends up trapped between a zombie outbreak and a Warring militia group Oh wow his fight to find her way back. I got the militia group part. Okay. Sounds like any

Walking Dead episode. Am I right, Tavares? Yeah. It's funny that you say that, Lance, because I got a lot of Walking Dead vibes out of this, because it looked like it looked like the people

were going to be worse than the zombies as far as who you trust. Every time. Which is like any apocalyptic movie. Sure. 30 days after or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. But, um, Tavares, what'd you think? Yeah, um, you know, it's funny, like,

man did you bring it, bring it up. It does give me walking dead vibes, but when I saw it, the first thing I thought about was, um, y'all remember that movie, The crazies?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought about, because I'm like, I couldn't tell if they was just like, zombie, zombies, or if they were just like,

you know, people who just went rabid or something, you know? So I'm like, okay. That was the vibe I got. They were like, more like, yeah, they'd push. They had like pus on their, on their, on their, on their head. Like they had a pus. Oh, puss.

Oh, yeah. I can see this taking place. Like they had a virus. It sounds like they need a scab. What you say? Sounds like they need a scab. Yeah. I don't know. Looks all right. I'm pretty sure there's going to be a few scabs in this movie.

But yeah, I mean, I can see this movie being like an extension of the crazies, you know, because I remember the crazies, it kind of ended with a cliffhanger a little bit. So I can see this being like a continuation of that, or maybe they was kind of inspired by the crazies only. But I didn't really recognize anybody. Mm-hmm. Outside of, let me see, what's the guy's name? He was in Major League.

He played the character, Roger, Roger Dorn. I don't know if you remember Dorn on Major League. Oh, Corporal Burson. Yeah, yeah. Oh, is he in that? Okay. Yeah, he was the only guy I recognized because when I saw it at the end credits, I'm like, oh, I'm bursting in here.

I'm like, let me go back and rewatch it. And I'm like, oh, that's him. He looks a lot different than the last time I saw him in Major League. But, I mean, it looks like a good trailer. I'm definitely down to see it. Now, is this a movie that's going to be released in the theaters, or is this like straight to streaming? I say if it gets, if it hits theaters,

it's going to be limited release. Okay. Okay. Not wide or anything. I know it's about to hit the festivals, the film festivals, and I don't even know if those are still going on anymore. Yeah.

So are they still doing, are they still going to do the film festivals with the strike going on? How does that work? Y'all know? You know, I don't even know how Comic-Con is going to work, because every day I read, like, legendary pictures backed out, and they're supposed to do, like, a panel for Dune Part 2,

and so they pulled that out. Okay. Lionscape pulled their stuff. There was a couple of animated cartoons that were going to have panels. They pulled their stuff out of Comic-Con. Wow. honestly I don't know how the conventions and the film festivals are going to work because I I get sent screeners and stuff for movies and I just got an email saying for one of the screeners

if you wanted to interview this specific actor from the movie they're not available but the filmmaker is so it looks like interviews and stuff for for actors and writers a pinn't pull tool Oh, boy. Eish. So let me ask you as this. Do you, I'll think if they're, let's say they went to a horror or comic the convention next month, right? Are they considered, are they considered walking the picket line,

across the picket line, or is that a side of us? I think if you're not appearing, if most of your fellow actors or writers are not appearing at these certain things, I would, yeah, I would consider it. crossing the picket line. If we're scabs, then they definitely are. Yeah, for real. Good point.

Yeah. You're supposed to get paid? Not over scabs. That's good point. What are we negotiating with? Like, I have questions about the whole strike. And then I start thinking about it and I realize, you know what?

The answer's probably too complicated and I really don't care that much. I mean, I've heard some of it. I mean, it just sounds like these writers and actors should get paid what they deserve. I totally agree with that. And I know a big part of it is that the studios are wanting to be able to use, like, their digital likeness. Like perpetuity without having to pay any royalties to the family or the subscribers. Exactly like in black mirror. Okay.

That's understandable. I mean, I'm not going to pretend like I know a whole. whole bunch about the strike, but just the little bit I read, it just sounds like, pay them what they deserve and everybody can get back to work. Kind of like, pay me Rick, if you guys remember that. Yeah, I remember. I wonder what those shoes are worth. If you could get those shoes and bet on them.

I know, right? Then he was gone to next season, too. Right? Yeah, Dante Robertson. Let's see. This currently doesn't have a release date because I think the trailer, looked at was the trailer for whatever film

festival was supposed to go to. No God. Okay. But if you follow us on social media, I will let everybody know when there is a release date. Cool. And the final, second and final trailer is a new IFC

films movie titled Birth Rebirth. Okay. New horror thriller. Let's see. Synapses. A morgue technician successfully reanimates the body of a little girl, but to keep her breathing, she will need to harvest biological materials from pregnant women. When the girl's mother, a nurse discovers her baby alive, they enter into a deal that forces them to both go down a dark path with no return.

So is this the third week in a row we've done a Frankenstein storyline? Or? It's going to say. What are you just do another one? Frankenstein is the hot commodity this year. I guess. Frankenstein. Frankenstein and it seems Frankenstein and Dracula. Yeah.

Back to basics. The only one I recognize is Judy Reyes. She looks like plays the mother of the little girl. I've seen her in a few things. She was in applause. Yes, she was. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen her.

Mm-hmm. Tavares, what'd you think? Yeah, like you said, it definitely gives me the Frankenstein vibes. And while I'm watching this trailer, I kept thinking about the famous quote off of Pet Cemetery. You know, sometimes dead is better, you know? Yeah. Sometimes remake, the remake is better. Sometimes, but not in that case.

I think Tavar's like the remake. You chop it up, man. I can't even. Okay. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. You was chopping up by my name. Can you hear us?

Hey. Uh-oh. I think I froze to ours with Pet Cemetery. But yeah, the trailer first, when it first started. Hey. All right. Now we can you. Like the music.

All right. Yeah. Oh, that was on my end. All right. All right. Can you see me now? Yeah. Yeah.

All right, cool. All right, so like the beginning, it kind of reminded me of like, I don't know if y'all seen Wakanda forever, but whenever Neymar's people, like, and there was like mermaids or whatever, they had this little calling where they'll go, nay, nay, nay. So the beginning of this music, like, when it first started, I'm like, I had to double check that I was looking at the right trailer. I'm like, hold up. Am I looking at Wakanda forever? But I'm like, oh, that was just the music, you know, part of the trailer. But, yeah, Judy Reyes, she was the only person that I recognized on here.

I didn't watch the show Claus, but I remember her in, it was a show called Devious Housemates. I don't know if I watched that or not. That's right. Yeah, I remember her on that, and she was on, what was the show? It was a hospital show. It was a comedy. I forgot the name of it, man. I think it was Carl Scrubs.

Scrubs. That's the name of it? Yeah. Not steps. She's been in a bunch of shit. I've seen her. Yeah, she wasn't scrubs. So I'm like, okay, I recognize her.

I don't recognize anybody else in here. But, I mean, I like the trailer. So I'm definitely going to check this movie out. So I'm not sure if this is going to be the actual release or released at a festival first. But it definitely looks like a pretty good movie. Yeah. IFC films have always got sort of a. a cool tone to them.

You kind of have to be in the mood for them because they're a little more slow, but they're in depth. They usually build their characters and stuff. And I can't remember the last IFC midnight movie I watched that I wasn't at least satisfied with, you know? Yeah, agreed.

They usually do a good job. And it'll probably end up on Shudder or AMC Plus at some point. Yeah. I'm thinking. So, yeah, I'm in. Yeah, I think I'm in. to, I like to hold, again,

like you said, Lance, this is like the second or third time. We're getting like a Frankenstein angle, which it, I like the synopsis. The reason and why she's alive and she's got to keep, the doctor's got to

keep her alive by taking these, uh, taking whatever from pregnant women. Yeah. Biological materials from pregnant women. definitely a frightening storyline. Yeah. Yeah.

Again, this one doesn't have a release date, so I will keep everybody updated. All right. Is that the last one? Yep. Unless you guys want to talk about Wonka. Not yet. Not yet. Wanka.

You talk, what, Willie Wonka? Yeah, you can see the new Wonka trailer? What, did they do it with they making it a horror movie? or something? It's a prequel to the original movie. Oh, really? Yeah, it's got Timothy Chalemay in it, right?

Who wait? Oh, that's who playing? He's playing Willie Walker or Charlie? Yes. Yeah. Willie Walker. He's playing Willie. Oh.

I haven't seen the trailer, but. I haven't really seen him in much. I haven't really paid attention to his acting, really. So, I don't know. But, man, that's some big. choose to feel. It is. It's very, Phil, it's, it's, the trail is

probably exactly what you think it is. Yeah. I will say he is, he is kind of pulling inspiration from Gene Wilder. So, yeah. Okay. As he should.

Yeah. And Hugh Grant's Oopalupa. What? Come on. Yeah. Okay. And it's,

And as they look, he looks like the Opa Lumpa from the original movie, not the Tim Burton. Oh, yeah. But as Hugh Grant, that sounds hilarious. Wow. I did, I did kind of have a little laugh at that part of the trailer because he catches

Hugh Grant, the Oopalupa, and he's about to pull out his flute and play the song. And Willie's like, I don't want to hear that. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. well Jim La Chalame is awful dreamy so I'll watch Yeah

Like tomorrow Like Tamara said I'm not too familiar I've only seen like Two films he's done Yeah But everybody I talk to Makes me feel like I should

Know his entire filmography A fucking Dune dude Yeah I've seen Dune and Bones And all And that's it And I I thought I saw him in something else too but I can't remember what it is.

Is he the one that was dating Olivia Wild or am I thinking about somebody else? No, that was... I wouldn't blame him. That was the One Direction guy. Harry Styles. Ah. Okay. Okay. Gotts. Okay.

Close but no single. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Enough about Wonka. All right. Manka Vision. Do Willie Wonka? We'll roll that into list. her feedback.

This week we shot the podcast spotlight on Good Beer, Bad Movie Night. That sounds fantastic. The Good, the Bad, and the Blackout Drunk. Check out Good Beer, Bad Movie Night. I like it. And I believe we got a message from them. Probably should have had pulled up.

Said, wow, thanks for the mention you guys rule. Well, I appreciate it. We'll drink with you. And I have heard their podcast. It's pretty awesome. Just get a so bad it's good movie and some friends and some good beer. And they know their beers, like they are breaking down the different flavors. I heard they put some extra hops.

Yeah. They even drink a beer that was made from whiskey. Oh, yeah. No, I've had like a whiskey style. Yeah, they're pretty good. Yeah, they're basically. breaking it down telling you, you know, if you're going to drink like a whiskey stout or whatever, you know, it's more of a winter beer because it'll keep you warm and...

Yeah. Can't get through a pack of those. They're thick. Yeah. Well, check them out. Regarding our Patreon Hannibal episodes, Zim Vader says, you guys are the best, but I want to know. Do these reviews have spoilers?

I haven't watched it yet, but it's... on my maybe list. Can I listen to these first or do I need to go watch it first? You definitely 100% watch it first because we spoil anything that we can remember from the show. Yeah, the whole, every episode beginning

to end, basically. Well, maybe listen to the episode for the first one, see what you think, and if it sounds good, go watch the show. Yeah, there you go. Spoil the first episode. That's not so bad. And And that's about it this late.

But I guess Lance ran out of time, according to my name. We'll have more. We'll have more feedback next week. Lance does a lot of legwork, guys. I just show up top. Our show intro and all the new logos come, of course, from Steve Carlton of the geeks. Shout him out. And be on the look out for more great stuff from him.

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Jesus Christ. You and Timothy Shalameh, huh? Shoot, I'm not gay, but if I was. On Zoom featured attractions. This week, we check out the new bird box Barcelona, as well as the 2018. Excuse me, that's Bartholona. Oh, yeah, like Jessica.

My bad, what I made the thing with it with Pasolona. All right. We'll start with the first bird box because, you know, we like to do things in order here as much as possible. Are you there alone? They tricked me and they left me to ride here. Who left you to ride? What are you talking about?

You guys, there's something wrong. Mom? There's something wrong. Please let me in an uncle's drive. Hey, hey. What you doing, bitch, man? Let her. They want you to see it. Let it!

Five years ago, after an ominous unseen presence drives most of society to suicide, a mother and her two children make a desperate bid to reach safety. Director is Suzanne Beer, also known for known for I don't know because it's not on there. I'm sure. I'm sure. No, I mean, you left this on a cliffhanger with good notes. I thought she did clip hanger.

I'm like, wow, she's been in the business a while. But the writers are Josh Mallerman and it was based on his book with Eric Heiserer, Heiserer. Sure. Okay. Also known for Arrival and Lights Out. Oh, both great movies. Cast member, Arrival was your fucking number one, wasn't it, Lance?

Yeah, Arrival was my number one of the year that year. And this original Bird Box movie inspired me to buy and read the book. Oh, nice. All right. Okay. Well, cast member said that John Malkovich had a bizarre connection. with the birds on set, which does not surprise me at all. I'll say the John Malcolmich and Bazaar kind of go hand in hand.

You get him and Gary Gusey in a room together. You're in trouble. Oh, man. If he told the birds to move their feet, they would. Oh, wow. Wait a minute. So he's telling the bird whisper. He's commanding the birds to do things.

Yeah, that's creepy. Interesting. You have to move your little feet. That's a bad John Malcovic. First time I've ever tried that. Sandra Bullock ran into the camera a couple of times when she was blindfolded, which also makes sense. Trent Reznor later told Variety that he felt scoring this movie was a waste of time

because they mixed the music solo you couldn't hear it anyway. I did not know that he did that. I don't remember if I heard music. I know. I was just kind of trying to think that. I can understand why he was upset. I was going to say it kind of sounds like a cry baby, but maybe he's got a point. I don't remember the music either.

I mean, if you're going to hire Trent Resner to do your stuff, at least. Right. He does a lot of film and TV scores, I think. Does he? I don't know that. Yeah. Well, Netflix, you know, they throw our money around like it's, you know, paper. So, yeah.

Why not? Oh, this movie came. They tried to get me off my own fucking TV earlier this week. I was like, what the hell's going on? I know. Yeah, there's one kind of shit going on. This was like four or five, uh, price up, ups, like price. Yeah.

Four or five price rises. Yeah. And this movie came out. Yeah. That'd be like paying for cable. They better have some live shit pretty soon. Uh, Tvaras, what did you think about bird box? Ben, I hadn't, let me see, I watched the movie last night, but I hadn't watched this movie since it first came out.

Yeah. For some reason, I thought this movie came out, like, I thought I was watching this during the pandemic, but I'm like, it came out in 2018. Okay. Yeah, it's been a while. I like the movie. Yeah, I like the movie. What trips me out any time me and my wife, every time we talk about this movie, then it begins. and um

Sandra Bullock when she's talking to boy and girl I couldn't remember how old they were they looked like they're about like two and four or or maybe they were the same age but I'm like in the beginning of the movie when she's giving that speech and she's saying

that what you do do not take that blindfold off I don't care what you do here I don't care what other people say you do not take that blindfold off and I'm just like wow like I don't think I can trust my kids at that age the bottle dog.

No kidding. I was thinking that the whole fucking time. Kind of like the dogs. Kind of like the dogs in the second movie, spoiler alert. But God damn it, I can't get my dog to wear a fucking neckerchief around the neck. Without stretched it off. All right. Sorry.

Getting ahead. But I'm like, you know, those kids, they grew up in a different world. So it's like, okay, well, that's what I would hold my hope on to is that if they grew up in that type of world, and they're that age about four or five years old, they'll follow those instructions. But, like, you see that at the beginning of the movie, and you're like, oh, my goodness, I'm like, okay. I'm like, you got me.

I'm into this movie. You got me. I love the action scenes in this movie. Anytime I'm watching a horror movie or action movie, okay, I'm all cool for the story, but I'll sacrifice holes in the storyline if you give me some real good action scenes. And I love the action scenes in this movie It's like it gets right to the jump I'm a big fan of Sandra Bullock

But I'm also a fan of Sarah Poston Because I love her in American host American Horror Story So I'm thinking after watching the trailer Before I first saw the movie I'm thinking alright Both of them going to be in the movie majority of the time

But Okay spoiler alert They killed Sarah Poulson off They gave her the they gave her the screen treatment. So I'm like... Right. Well, wasn't quite that early, but it was pretty early.

Well, yeah, yeah, that's why I'm like, man, I wasn't expecting that. But I'm like, okay, I'm like, that was a hell of a kill, so, you know, I'm like, damn, she made that a sister. And then she, without even looking, she just backed up into the truck. And I'm like, yeah. I'm like, okay. But like, it was a lot of intense moments right at the beginning. the movie. Like, you see the lady in the hospital and the orange sweater banging her head up against the window. And it's like, like, damn, man. It's like, that's one of those things. It's like,

if you walking by that, how do you just, how do you not just sit and stare at that, even though you should be getting the hell up out of Dodge, you know? But, um, I really like this movie, man. Like, it, a lot of situations, um, but what's the scene? Um, um, um, when they, when they went to the grocery store. Right. and Lil Rail, Charlie. Who was fantastic in this movie. Yeah, yeah. I got to read his book.

Oh, I wanted to read his book. I was mad they killed him off so early. Yeah, I know, right? I wanted to know why he was wearing his fucking grocery store vass the whole time. I never seen. I work in a grocery store. I work in a grocery store. Hey, I didn't even think about that, man.

How long they was in that house? A long time. Yeah. He was like, hey, man, I'm going to wear that vest unless he had multiple vests around or whatever. But yeah, man, his scene, that was the ultimate sacrifice, because I'm not going to lie. It's like, man, I'm not opening that door. Yeah. Because in most movies, when people are, like, locked up, they're locked up for a reason.

For a reason. If you can't give me some type of explanation on why you locked up, I'm not going to just open that door for you. And then when they finally opened the door a little bit, I mean, that dude was huge, man. That dude was like a freaking left tackle or something, man. Right. You had Tom who was Tramte Rowe's character. He's kind of a big dude. And I think John McEvich and I think the, um,

Machine gun Kelly Machine gun Kelly's like 6 4 or 6 5 Is he really? Yeah He's wiring But I don't think he went to the grocery store Did he go to the grocery store with him? No, it was just

The Alita The girl from Alita That's why I recognized him, bro. I knew she looked familiar But I was like, I know who she was I don't want to look it up But man, I couldn't think of it. Okay.

So I'm like, man, that's three grown people. This dude here was just, boom. And I'm like, oh, man. And then I'm like, dang, I'm like, John McAvich, you couldn't shoot him? I'm like, they couldn't. But Charlie, man, got into sacrifice, man. And he didn't even want to go. Right?

Yeah. No, Charlie ain't going nowhere. He's funny. That's why. The choices the characters made when they let that dude is. Lil Reel? Yeah. It's funny, even when he's in a serious role, man, like, if you go back and look at Get Out,

you know, it's like he was just being a good friend and, you know, and Get Out, he made the ultimate sacrifice. He drove to a place that he knew was trouble to go rescue his friend. And in this movie here, he gave the ultimate sacrifice, man, because I don't think they was going to be able to handle Big Dude. He would have took out like three more of them, you know? Like a zombie, huh? Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm like, I'm like, man, this this dude is a monster, man, but I like the movie, man. I like the movie. I'm not going, I'll wait until y'all give y'all perspective on it before I give my rating number on it. But I like the movie. I liked it.

All right. Lance, what do you think? Yeah, this, this was a good one. This was, this was one of those straight to Netflix movies that I thought was actually really good. Like I said, I went out and bought the book afterward. I love the way. way that they kind of switched back, and we just talked about this in another movie with Oculus, but they did the time jumps pretty seamlessly, I think. I think they did a really good job of keeping both stories going at the same time without, you know, getting confused or confusing the timeline or confusing the characters. And it's like, ah, that's how she ended up with two kids. It's like, oh, that's the one that was actually her kid. And you learn these things over time and you start to, you know, paint the big, you know, the big picture. But I think it was extremely well done.

And had they not done that, we'd have had one giant ass long scene where she was on the river the whole time. And it would have gotten boring. Well, true. Yeah, because that's kind of, you know. She had the one, you know, the one crazy guy. I do like the way that they do that, where it's like some people, it makes them suicidal. And other people, it makes them become like believers or, you know, try to.

kind of push the madness. It's almost like it's, I don't know, well, we'll get into more of the theories when we talk about spoiler alerts in the new movie because they get a lot more into the different theories

of what the creature is. But I definitely like the way the creature, you know, kind of adapts and manipulates. And it almost took now at the end when Sanger Bullock, you know, finally showed up with the kids

at the end game place. And there's like, all of a sudden she's hearing voices. And I didn't really remember that. But then I thought back to a scene at the very beginning of the movie, where the one lady was walking, you know, toward the burning currents his mother. John McClitch's wife.

Yes, yes. So they did call that. That was a good scene because it made when she tried to explain to John Malcovich what happened. That's what made him a non-believer because he was like her, no, my wife's mother's been dead for years. So she couldn't think she was speaking to her, you know. Yes.

Yes. And I will say this. final thoughts on it before we get into the next round is John Malcovich was a fucking asshole. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Through and through he was an asshole. But God damn it, man, I want a T-shirt that says hashtag John Malcovic was right. Yeah. A dude chews up every scene he's in, though.

Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. Brian, what did you think? I have not seen this movie since. Closer to when it came out, because I don't know if you guys remember, we used to have a show on the network called Stream Queen. Yes. That's our friend Melissa.

That's right. And we had a special guest, Ace von Johnson, from L.A. Guns, the band. Yep. And I have not seen this movie since then. Since then. Were you watching it? Because I remember not liking it as much then, but I have a better appreciation now because I kind of was just looking at the little things. and Sandra Bullock puts on a great performance because I kind of had a roller coaster of feelings with her character because I was with her character and then I hated her character.

Yeah. Yeah, I need that T-shirt, even though he was an asshole, John Malkovich was right. I mean, shouldn't have let that guy in. No kidding. You could be an asshole or you can be dead. Or you could have stayed at the, what he called the, the. the supermarket, the happiest place.

Happiest? Yeah. What did he say? Make the apocalypse great again or something? Yeah. Have an announcement to make. That would be Philip. He was already halfway through that fucking scotch.

I know, dude. Chuck. He could just live here. And I thought, I thought the cast was great. even like we brought up machine gun Kelly, you know, was the obvious pill popping kind of.

It's the apocalypse, man. Anything goes. Like he said to the, she said, she looked at it. She says, not in a million years. And he goes, hey, baby, it's the end of the world. You never know. And then we get that nice scene in the washroom. I'll think I'll do my laundry tomorrow.

And then And then other people Like I'm a big fan At Trevante Rhodes I thought he was great And I don't know if you guys seen The Tyson TV series on Hulu I've wanted to man

Speaking of Typh Speaking of Jennifer Jethica I didn't call it Jim last time didn't I He was great in it BD Wong The guy we were talking about

From Philip you were bringing up a hard wasn't it not hard candy oh the devil's candy devil's candy uh pruitt taylor vince

the guy with the eyes yes yes he even pops up in this and uh I can't ever pronounce this guy's name wrong or raped but Pocodot man

had a little bit part oh yeah he did didn't he was great little group that kept driving into the fast cars it's okay honey you gotta see it But I thought the acting was good.

Even the little girl that played girl. Yeah. She was in the movie we just watched. No. Yeah. What was the movie? I can't remember. Boogie Man?

Boogie Man. She was in the Boogie Man and she was young Leah. No, that was her? Yeah. As soon as she popped up, I was like, I recognize her. Yep. She was in Obi-W-1. Yeah, and the Obi-Wan series.

Okay, okay. But I thought her, just her facial reactions to Sandra Bullock, you know, constantly, basically treating her like shit throughout the entire movie, you know, over her own son. Mm-hmm. Just her facial reactions was just kind of breaking my heart, you know. Like, Tavares, you brought up the scene where she's giving her, giving them that speech on what we need to do, what's going to happen when we get to the river. and she's just basically, if you break these rules, I will hurt you. And I was just like, whoa. Yeah.

Yeah. And even the scene with Trevante Rhodes, where he's trying to, he's being a father. You know, he's telling him a story. You know, he's trying to bring some fun, laughter in their lives. And she's just, no, story's over. Go to bed. And then she's just like, why are you telling them stories about things they'll never do in their life? And I just thought little scenes like that were good.

I don't know why you being such a bitch Like I said There was many times I was I was with her character and then I was against her character Yeah And but my one My one problem is We never get to see the creature Yeah

Not even a hint at what it looks like It almost reminded me of the happening It's just a bunch of Yeah God's the Fed spoiler alert. Now I'm going to put that one when we talk about that. Yeah. Yeah.

I could see it both ways. It was kind of cool that you didn't. But yeah, it would have been nice to have at least a hint of what it would look like if it was anything at all, you know? It was confusing, for sure. I got an HP Lovecraft vibe. Yeah. The second movie we're going to talk about. I think a long time ago, I think they released a comment.

concept art of what they could have looked like, but I think they decided not to go with it. And I think you're right, Lance, I think it was kind of like an HP Lovecraft type of creature. Like the old gods. Yeah.

But overall, I definitely have a better appreciation on this rewatch. The acting is solid, and there was a lot of good moments, and the cast is fantastic. I mean, I didn't even bring it up, but Jackie Weaver,

is in a damn fast. Sure. And, yeah, John Malkovich was right. Yeah. Yeah, man. I'll totally agree. I love the acting and all of it. Matter of fact, one of my favorite scenes was,

is his name Tom Hollander, the crazy guy that came in? Yeah. That John Malkovich didn't want to let in at first, and they fucking let him in anyway. And, like, him dancing around and talking to John Malkovich, while Malcovic is blindfolded and trying to shoot him was brilliant. I love this guy, dude. He's got such, like, charisma for being a crazy person.

He's not in the movie for very long, but I think he did a great job. He's a unique actor, man. He's in the new, or Season 2 of the White Lotus, if you ever watch that on MacBloff. He always plays quirky characters. He's an interesting dude. I think I like him. there's a lot of characters in here that I didn't even bring up

B.D. Wong was in here. I kind of wish his character would have lasted a little bit longer, but you know, somebody had to somebody had to test the theory about the cameras. Yeah, that's true. I kind of knew where that one was going. So didn't Alkowitz.

Well, but had to check it out either way. Well, somebody else could check it out. Yeah. There was a lot of big names in this and for it to come straight to Netflix. this was this was kind of a big move for them

I think they had maybe had a couple more that they did straight to Netflix first but this is one that actually hit and caught traction you know yeah this was says here the most watched film on Netflix within a 28 day release

yeah yeah damn because it came in it came out and it was like holy shit that movie was actually pretty fucking good you remember the bird box challenge that's what I was just about to say No, enlighten us, gentlemen. Just put a blindfold on yourself and film yourself trying to do anything.

That sounds like a terrible idea. Especially if you live on like the third floor. Oh, God, man. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure a lot of people went to the hospital the next day after doing that bird, that bird box challenge. Like this milk crate challenge. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, the milk crate challenge is hilarious. Yeah, that's why I thought this was done during the pandemic, man, because I just remember, like, watching this movie, and it's like, that was probably the first time I heard

about a Netflix movie being so popular. And then, like you say, this was a star-studied cast, man, and this movie here should have been at the movie theaters. And I thought, well, it wasn't in the movie theaters because due to the panace. I mean, you got Sandra Bullock in here, man. Sarah Post and Chavonte Rose, John McElchich, you know?

Right. A lot of big names in this movie. But I guess Netflix, hey, Netflix had that money to dish out to them and say, hey, man, we're going to release this straight to Netflix, you know? Yeah. They were trying to hit that straight to video market early. Maybe they knew something. A new conspiracy on our board.

Netflix cost the pandemic. What about the residuals they got in this movie? I don't know. Because that's what they're fighting over right now. You know, residuals, yeah. Which also does make sense.

Yeah. But yeah, man, it was, it was unexpectedly great when it came out and it still holds up on rewatch. Star-setted cast, great acting. It was a little bit like the quiet place,

you know? Yeah, I got those vibes, on that same kind of level where it was like, oh, wow. It's better than I thought it was going to be. Mm-hmm.

Uh-huh. Yeah. All right. Scores, from 1 to 10, Tavaris, what do you think? Uh, I give it 8. Nice. Nice. At first, I'm like, uh, probably going to, at first I was thinking I was going to give it a 6 or a 7 because this is, this was only my second time watching it.

But after re-watching it, you know, I appreciate the movie even more. And I did get the quiet place vibes. because certain parts on the movie, I kept thinking, I'm like, damn, they're making too much noise, man. The monster is not here. But I'm like, okay, wrong movie. Wrong movie. It's more about sight.

It's not here. They should just walk outside with the blindfold and make fun of the monster. Get it. Get it. Get me. I'm going to figure back on what you're saying that's talking about as far as we didn't get to see the monster. Like, for me, it's one of those things where it's like,

I want to see the monster, but. they didn't show us the monster because it's been times where I watch a movie where when they show the monster then I'm like it's kind of whack you know like I forgot the name of a it was a show that came out man like it was like a mini series and it's sorry about it at the spider's end of it no no not it I forgot about that big ass right bro but yeah yeah yeah that was whack they could have just kept it a straight clown but it was a I don't know if it was Stephen King novel, but it was like a limited series. But the guy who played,

the guy who played the dad, Lannister, I think it was Tywin Lannister. I think that was his name. Okay. Oh, uh-huh. He was in this movie. And what happened was, is that, like,

his people were, like, angels or whatever. But when they finally got to see him, had horned, had like a pitchfork and wings, and people saw him in his people as the devil. but they was unaware that, you know, that's how angels look. But then everybody, instead of treating them like angels, they start treating them like devils because as long as they know, that's how devils look.

They read and stuff. I forgot the name of that movie, man. It was like, it came like on the sci-fi channel probably about 10 years ago, man. But anyway, Brian, does it sound familiar? You're usually our movie guy. I'm looking it up right now. Now you, the Lannister, was that Charles Dan? dance, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So it should be easy to find, right? Although he's done a shitload of movies, so you may be looking for a while. Yeah, he has a huge catalog, man. He's on that dude from the Golden Child, man. But, oh. Sawd on Noom Spa.

One. Huh? I love this movie. Like I say, I give it an eight. I mean, and after going through the pandemic, after going through the pandemic, it's like I think about how it was during that time, and it's like, man, I appreciate this movie even more.

So strong eight for me. All right. They were ahead of the curve on the story. I'm going seven and a half, man. This was a solid, solid movie. That's a great story. out of you, dude. Yeah, it was really a great movie

start to finish. And, you know, like I said, when a movie inspires me enough to read the book, you know, it's, that's saying something. And obviously,

you know, I don't know about the director. I couldn't find anything she had done besides this, but like you guys were saying, obviously the screenwriter had some chops. So,

yeah, yeah, good movie. All right. Brian? I'm gonna go eight. I thought the story was solid. The acting was,

solid and yeah solid solid movie from Netflix yep and it was this is like

one of the bar movies for Netflix in my opinion because they they release a lot of Netflix

original movies that are not that great yeah yeah I'm gonna go eight too and Tavares I get what

you're saying because I was going to say that like showing the monster is almost dangerous at

that point because you got a really solid movie and if the monster's stupid it kills the whole thing so I'm almost glad that I didn't see it

but yeah I give it an 8 man this was solid nice all right we'll move on to the brand new bird box Barcelona

are you going okay you can't you're left him behind you fell with her just that's the same with me

that's a little yeah Shut out. Shut out! Not to work. The boyd boxed by the Barcelona. After an entity of mysterious origin annihilates the world's population, causing those who observe it to take their lives,

Sebastian and his daughter begin their own great adventure in survival in Barcelona. Director and writers are David Pestor and Alex Pestor, also known for carriers and self-slash-less. I don't think I've seen them. I've heard of those. I don't think I've seen them. I've heard of the names David Pestor and Alex Pestor. Anyway. The first Bird Box movie is an adaptation of Josh Mallerman's debut novel of the same name, which was released through Echo Press in 2014.

A sequel called Mallory was released courtesy of Del Rey Books. Hey, look that. In 2020, which follows the titular character who is portrayed by Sandra Bullock in the film and her two young children as they set out to find more survivors. However, the sequel novel doesn't appear to have. The sequel novel doesn't appear to have informed Burr-Box Barcelona, nor are there currently any plans to adapt it. So you're telling me that Netflix's Game of Thrones final season this movie.

Yep. Oh, boy. Well, well. I do remember they were supposed to do the book Mallory as the next movie. Really? Yeah. Okay, maybe they'll come out with it eventually. I don't know why they wouldn't. I mean, they obviously made enough money on the first one.

Maybe Sandra Bullock wanted more money. as um, residuals. Yeah, probably. Probably. Uh, well, after running into a bunch of shit while being blindfolded, she was like, no, you're going to have to pay me more.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Uh, all right. Tvaris, what did you think about bird box Barcelona? Man, this, it's, this can be a tough round, guys, to stay spoiler-free, so. I know. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, we'll go into spoiler talk later, so we'll just keep it free. Oh, okay. So, so spoiler-free. I'm glad you. I forgot about that. I was about to dive deep into that too.

Yeah, I know. It's hard not to, man. I feel you. I feel you. I can respect that. There was some first one. It was certain things that they did in the movie, you know, where it's like, okay, man, like, you really are you going to do that?

You're struggling not to spoil it. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. The character is Sebastian. Uh-huh. thing with that character, like, so much emotionally with his character. It's like, you're like, okay, what the hell is this dude doing? Or it's like, is he supposed to be good or he's supposed to be bad or is he an anti-hero or what?

Sure. Yeah. And, like, his character had a lot of layers to it. Yeah. Like an ogre. Yeah. Odigers have layers. Like other kids.

Yeah. Perfect. But like, okay, what I would say, none spoiler, okay, the first one, I loved it. And then the action in this one, I loved it. There was a lot of intent, like, these are not just simple action scenes.

Like, it was like intense, had a lot of emotion behind it because you understood that for every action that's going on in this film, you're putting other people in danger. Yes. And it's like you're increasing the probability of, what they call it,

creature coming to, you know, coming to, you know, going to see you and stuff. A lot of elements of this movie reminded me of the show, C, did you ever watch that with Jason Mamoa? Mamoa? I've never seen it. What's it called? C. C.

C, C, oh. S-E-E-C. Yeah, so the premise in that show, everybody in the world became blind. Like the people who were blind, pretty much they're the stronger one. because it's like their senses are, senses are so heightened to the point. They're used to it. Yeah, they're like a bunch of daredevil.

Yeah. Matt Murdox roaming around. And in this movie here, it's like, man, like, the Sears are like all over the place. They're more of a threat than they was in the first one. And I didn't think that the Sears was going to be that powerful in this movie. Because, I mean, yeah, there was a threat in the first one, but in this one here, they was like a big-time threat, you know?

Sure. Yeah. And they was traveling in packs. It felt like a, it felt like a cult. And the whole series that they have, you know, based off like, you know, this creature, it manipulates your trauma, whatever is your worst fear. Or if it doesn't tap into your worst fear, you know, tap into something that you admire. Like, I mean, kind of like if you think about it in the first movie,

where John McAvish character, his wife, she went out to help Sandra Bullock. But then she was like, mom, mother, you know, it's manipulating her mother. Yes, yes. Well, it's a lot of that in this movie. Like, it's one of those things. They go deeper into that.

Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, when you watch a horror movie, have the scenes where it's like, hey, man, don't walk, don't go down that hallway. Or, you know, don't go that way. You know, the killer's over there. But it's like, if the creature is manipulating,

your deepest fear or something that are a situation that means so much to you. Like if a loved one passed or something like that, like, how do you tell somebody, hey, man, don't go that way? But it's like, tough call. Yeah, the creature is, you know, manipulating them messing with your emotions, you know. So, it's hard to talk about this movie. I'm spoiling it, but it's like, but yeah, it's a whole lot of manipulation. in this movie, man, and it's like

about Big Word, man, playing my money is like playing my emotions and they're having the emotions in this movie, man. So, you know, I mean, but yeah, it's a good movie. Like, it's different than the first one. It kind of gives you that Bob I kind of got from this movie

something like 28 days later because in that movie, they're not just in one setting in the house most of the time. Ah, yeah. Good point. You know, they're traveling all over the place, you know? So, and, you know, the characters, Sebastian. A lot more expansive with the settings.

Exactly. Exactly. You know, so I think as far as been off of the first one, and what did y'all say? You said that they made this movie here without basing it off any books. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I think they, I thought they did a hell of a job then, since they had no book to base the material, no source material to base this off of. So I thought they did a good creative job on it.

I'll save my rating after y'all give y'all review on it. But I liked it. I liked it. All right. Lance, what did you think about this one? Man, I love the way that they expanded on the mythology. I love the religious angle. I love the characters were great. And just exactly like tomorrow said, all of the action set pieces were fucking phenomenal, man.

And like you had big pieces of equipment like sliding into each other and you had like people in peril and you had like, you know that if something happens, they're going to have to see this creature, wherever it is. And I love one particular scene that took place that now I realize, well, I would have thought that would have been a safe spot from it, but apparently not that particular spot. And that was a great scene. And I love the way they, again, but this one, I think they do the flashbacks just. right? I don't think they overuse the flashbacks. Because I always hate it when I'm watching a movie, right? And you watch the first scene, and it's like

this big action sequence, right? And then it's over with and it says, nine years ago, and you're like, oh, fuck, man, really? Come on. We're going to pull this bullshit. But they did it right. They did it right, just like they did with the first movie. So, yeah, I enjoyed this a lot more than I thought I was

going to. I really, I thought that, again, the set pieces were great. The acting was you know, I love the multiculturalism. I love the fact that we got to see it from a perspective of a European country. Because, you know, Barcelona is a huge spot for travel. And you got the British character. You got the German characters.

You've got the characters that were backpacking. I think they did a really good job. I mean, I'm not complaining. I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. All right. That surprises me. Brian, what do you think? Yeah.

I agree with everything everybody said so far. This movie actually kind of surprised me because, like I said, I knew they were supposed to do the Mallory book next as the next movie. And then when they kind of just dropped the teaser for this movie and said it was Bird Box Barcelona, I was kind of like, okay, does Mallory do a Daryl Dixon and end up in another country or something? But when I watched it,

She took a ship and blindfolded herself the whole time. Oh, God. Well, I mean, if you're walking around blindfolded, you don't, you could end up on a ship. But one thing I really, really liked was the different point of view. Okay. In the first movie, we got the point of view from basically the victims. Yes. There are the people that were hunted.

And now this movie, we get a different prescription. We even get, not a spoiler. We even get a point of view of the creature a few times. Oh, yeah, that's cool. Good point. Yeah. The action pieces were bigger in this one. I enjoyed the, like you said, Lance, the set design, different settings.

Very diverse cast, because, of course, you would have people backpacking. You're not just going to have people from Spain or, you know, in that region of the country. You're going to have tourists. You're going to have other people from. from Europe in that part of the country. And I liked how they included all that. And Sebastian, I really kind of felt for his character because they really do manipulate your mind and your emotions

to kind of get them to do what they need you to do. And it was, I was kind of torn how to feel about him because like you said, Tavares, is he the hero? Is he the villain? Is he the anti-hero? You know, what is he? And then you get a definite answer by the end of the movie. And I just, I like this character arc.

And I think this was a good job to take this into another country, a different part of the world. Kind of like, I think you brought it to Philip, a quiet place. Yeah. Because, you know, we've only got the perspective of that family in those movies. So this, we realize this is a worldwide event. so I like the world building they did in this one and I thought it was a good sequel yeah and I was a little worried that it was going to be

just like the same thing but with different people in a different setting I'm looking at you yeah I was too I was too and and that's not what it was they did go further into it and I appreciated that. And like, the whole first probably 20 minutes of the movie, they kind of keep you guessing as to what happens or what's going on exactly. And like there's at one point, I mean, we'll talk about it in spoilers, but like, yeah, Sebastian starts doing something.

And I'm like, well, what is he? Why is he doing that? I don't understand. Right. And then, you know, they give you the answer. A lot of different perspectives. They go into the creature, an awful lot more. you still don't actually see it

if it's there at all you definitely get some theories on what it might be yeah I don't think this is a spoiler but I think they actually in this movie feel it more yeah like instead of just feeling the presence around them I think there was actually a scene where

it kind of brushed up against them or bumped into somebody like knocked down or something that's creepy that's fucking creepy Yeah. So which would have to mean it was a physical thing. Yeah. We'll get into theories on it, I guess. Yeah.

But yeah, I was surprisingly impressed with this one. It's a whole lot better than I thought it was going to be. So good job, Netflix. Scores, and then we'll go into spoilers. Tavaris, what do you think? I give this one a eight. Oh, consistent. Give it a eight.

Yeah, give it a eight. I think the rewatchability on this one for me is high because I have so many questions. Yeah. On this movie, and I'm like, well, I'm pretty sure some of those questions can be answered if I rewatch it. And, you know, it's enough material in this movie where you can do theories on this and stuff. And piggyback off what I just said when y'all mentioned like on this one, you can actually feel the creature more. Right. It makes me think about kind of like how paranormal activity was, where it's like, you know, you knew it was something there and you can feel it, but you could never see the, well, I think on one of the paranormal activities, they actually showed the creature.

And I think, yeah, that's one of the movies where I'm like, all right, that's how the creature looks. I mean, yeah, it's usually a disappointment, right? Yeah, it's a lot and then it sucks. Like, Jaws, you get like a rubber fan. Exactly, exactly. You know, but the acting was awesome in this movie. And I mean, like, this, I don't, Netflix did a real good job with this movie. And I'm glad that they was able to release this movie. I think they released this movie probably about a couple hours before they did the strike or whatever, you know, but it's like, hey, Netflix got them a banger right there. They got it under the wire. They got it up to the wire. Definitely.

Definitely. Oh, yeah. Lance? This was still a good, solid movie, man. Much better than I expected. I was really thinking this was going to be a stinker, man. Because I was like, Brian, I was like, we were, I think we watched the trailer for this one. Or did we just talk about it, Brian?

We just talked about it. Okay. So I'm like, Birdbox, Bartholona, why? Why are we doing this? Yeah. I didn't even know about Mallory until you talked. at the trivia. Now I know about the book and I got to go buy it. But

I'm like, why the fuck are we changing it up? But I can see why they did it. This is another one. Kind of like Oculus we were talking about. Again, parallel that. I wouldn't mind seeing a series. I wouldn't mind seeing different fucking movies in the different locales. I'm into this.

So, a little step down from the first movie, but I'll give it a good solid seven. That's fair. Brian, what do you think? Yeah, I agree with you, Lance. It's not as good as the first one. It's a slight step down.

And I only say that from a production standpoint. I felt like the first one looked better, even though I think it's... It has a lot to do with it, too. I meant like the cinematography. I felt like looked a little bit better. I felt like the setting and the set pieces were a little bit better at this one. agreed but the cinematography was better in the first one I enjoyed most of the cast even though I only knew

one person and that was the girl from a barbarian oh that's oh yeah Georgina Campbell and she is British it has been confirmed she is definitely British and I didn't know that when she started talking I'm like why are you doing a British accent she's very British very British I thought for me not knowing any of the cast outside of her, I thought they did a good job. And yeah, the action scenes were ramped up in this one.

And we'll talk about a couple of them when we get into spoilers. And the world got expanded. And I think in this type of movie, you've got to do that, which I'm hopeful with the next quiet place because they're doing a spinoff movie, which takes place in a different part of the world with different characters. And the main thing for that movie, I hope they take a page out of this one, is expand the mythos,

the world, then the aliens and the, what have you, you know, so. Whatever the hell they are. So I'm going to have to give this one a slight lower grade. I'm going to go 7.75. Very nice. Yeah, man.

I can kind of agree with you there. actually. I'll go ahead and give it a seven and a half. I think, like you were saying, it's just a little half step down, but still, like, way better than I thought it was going to be. And I think really the only thing missing was that the first one had, you know, Sandra Bullock and John Malcovic and all these people in it. And like, I didn't know anybody in this one. Except that one girl, I did, I did recognize her, but it didn't click until you said she was from a barbarian. well you had the dude from Babylon you'll see that movie Babylon last year about Hollywood in the 1930s and all the part of it I started it Margot Roby was in it

yeah he was the guy doing Coke with Margo Roby in the trailer 20 minutes into that movie I was like this is stupid yeah we got a great idea I kind of felt like I saw that part in the trailer so I saw the best part of the movie that was the best part of the movie

yeah I was getting all kinds of rave reviews I remember that one and I like I didn't even finish the movie, I was like, this is dumb, dude. I'm not watching this. It's a long one too, dude. I've failed. But no, yeah, yeah.

Birdbox Barcelona was pretty, pretty on par with with the first. Pretty righteous. It's a pretty righteous movie. He's a righteous dude. They all love him. All right. Let's go.

Spoilers. a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. I guess I'll jump in and started. I talked about the different perspective. And the first one, we got the perspective of the people in the house that were trying to protect themselves. And this one, we get the perspective of somebody that's already been in. affected by the creatures. A seer. And I thought it was really cool to skip that aspect. Because when you meet Sebastian, you think he's a good guy, and then you think he's a bad guy. But then you see why he's doing it.

He's being manipulated with talking to his dead daughter. And not only that, but feeling like when he frees these people and they kill themselves, they make him see their souls go to heaven. So you kind of feel for him because he's being manipulated to like the fullest. Very much like religion does. I was like, is this the rapture, you know? Is that what's going on? Yeah.

Maybe this is. They almost had me convinced for me. Yeah, because they don't. Coming down and taking the souls. Yeah, they don't tell you right away. They don't tell you right away that that's, that it's just what he's seeing. And he's been being manipulated. So that's what I thought too.

I was like, are they stealing the souls of everybody? And going up to, because I'm just assuming that these are aliens and alien force that's coming out. I'm sure Philip assumed that right off the bat. That ended up in your first thought, Philip. But like when that other dude goes into the, like, quantum. Yeah, that kind of made sense. About like some kind of quantum being who is like in all places. and changes his form and everything, like it's constantly changing.

So it's sort of everywhere and nowhere all at once. Everywhere, everything all at once. Which basically makes it like an interdimensional beam. Which is one of the theories about demons is that they're very good theory. They're not like from hell, but they're interdimensional and maybe they're there. And so I thought that this was kind of a, cool play on that. And I liked that they went over that theory in the,

in the movie. And maybe he's right, man. I don't know what these things are. Maybe there's some sort of aliens. But why are they just like, this seems like a very elaborate way to kill everybody. Yeah. And the part that bummed me out about the movie is

apparently animals are affected too. Like, I was like, that's, that's even though I thought that was a good angle for them to manipulate the one guy that had the dog to make him think he was hearing his dog in trouble yeah yeah yeah which there was a few times though that people took their blindfolds off saw that there was nothing wrong and didn't put their blindfolds back on immediately right yeah yeah because the guy with the dog he took it all saw that

his dog wasn't hurt and then look behind him like huh yeah and with his with his blindfold off. Not the sharpest tool in the shit. Yeah, I noticed that too, Brian. He turned around and goes, huh? What do you come up? I think there's something behind me. Put your blindfold back on.

What do you do? And it was a few times that happened. Yeah, that was kind of stupid. That one guy was smart that poked his eyes out. Oh, yeah. We can survive. they never did say what else happened to him it happened to him huh i guess he just still rolling right

well sebastian had told him he feels sorry for him because he he doesn't get to see yeah right he doesn't get to see what he sees and he just kind of let him wander off yeah damn damn but see at the beginning of the movie well not the exact beginning but the whole part where

um the bus scene yeah the whole bus thing because I'm like, I know. So I had to rewind it because I'm asking my wife. I'm like, hold up. Did I miss something? Yeah.

I know. I thought that. Like, I'm like, is he saying like these people are evil or did something like tip him off? I'm like, because I'm like, he's driving the bus. And then I'm like, okay, maybe he knows a spot. He can take them to safety or something because I'm like, this dude is just driving the bus. That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

I'm like, so I had to. rewinded and I'm like, what the hell did I miss? Did I miss something? You know? Nope. I'm like, I thought he was, I thought he was taking him to see the generator that he kept talking about. I thought he was going back to get his daughter.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another twist. And see, that's what tripped me out because he told his daughter, he said, you know, you know, stay back. I call you when I need you. And then I'm like, hold of, how the hell he's going to call? Like, you're too far, dude.

What's going on? Seems highly responsible. What are you thinking, Brian? I'm right. I'm thinking the dude had a phone or walkie-talkie to contact his daughter, but then you find out, oh. That would make sense. His daughter's dead. Okay.

All right. Yeah, I was right there with Tavares. I was just because I was during the whole, when he's trying to start the bus, it all of a sudden popped in my head. Where the hell is his daughter? I know he just didn't leave her out there. Yeah. And then. That was the only reason.

could come up within the moment that he would be like driving these people out of there outside you know yeah yeah i thought there was more to it now i did notice when he first went in to see the doctor and get the stitches that he he did a sideways glance at that cabinet that the keys were in i thought he was looking for drugs i thought is this dude a junkie and he's like looking at her cabinet and why would a cabinet with all the bus keys be in the doctor's office so i noticed that oh okay okay so yeah another thing you'll We watched. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was a good action scene, though, with the bus, you know,

driving through the where abandoned factory or whatever it was. Oh, yeah. He barely made it out. Just totally. I was kind of reading for him. 100% destroyed that one random guy that was just walking in front of the bus. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wrong place at the wrong time. Sarah Paulson style. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was sad, man. That was sad.

But, yeah, when they showed, like, a flat, when they did the flashback, when he first found out what happened, you know, he's on the phone with his wife. I'm telling my wife, I'm like, man, shoot him. I'm like, well, his co-worker is a back there hanging himself. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yeah. So it's like he turns around, he sees that. He sprints, gets to his car.

Boom, body drops to the car. I'm like, damn. He runs to the subway station. He gets pushed over. Fives back. That's why I'm like, golly, man. So like in the end, when they was talking about, I guess it was doing the test on the people

to figure out how to measure their trauma or something like that. Yeah, so I'm like, they went through a lot because the situation he went through, most people in this, in this whole film series, they would have been dead. They would have been dead, you know,

because, I mean, the whole, um, that the whole, um, subway scene, like, yeah,

most people would have been dead. He got up out of that, and then he finally gets it, gets to his wife and his kid. And soon as I saw that the wife was parked across the street, I'm like, shit, somebody about to get ran on.

This is how his daughter dies. Somebody, Somebody's fucked. There's chaos going on out there. These motherfuckers are just standing in the middle of the road. What is going to happen? And they got me because that his wife had dives, it's going to be it right there.

Boom. Yeah. And then when I saw her just standing there, I'm like, damn. I'm like, golly, man. Yeah, she kind of had that coming. Hey, that felt like some final destination stuff, man. Yeah. It's like, you know.

You know, but that dude went through a lot. And then I forgot the guy's name who kidnapped him and his daughter, had him tied up on the roof. Oh, the priest. Yeah, the priest. Then, you know, he takes his daughter's blindfold off. Yeah. And puts him in a situation where he came close to saving her,

but he just missed her. That's why I'm like, god, leave, man. I'm like, this dude been through a lot, you know? Right. Because most situations he's been in, everybody else probably would have died in that situation. So I see how they was able to manipulate him, which, you know, I hate it when people get manipulated, especially like that. Because I'm like, okay, well, this explains a lot. Because, I mean, you know, you see your child in that image.

Like, I mean, who's not going to follow that, you know? I mean, that's a tough pill to swallow right there. Yeah, especially. a believer and yeah i'm sorry go over i was just going to say i had a theory that maybe sorry this car driving by uh theory about maybe that's why later he was able to overcome it because he came to terms with his trauma yeah things that and maybe that's why because i was wondering isn't he still affected by by the creature because it just kind of seemed like he wasn't he wasn't affected affected by it no more. And then I was thinking maybe he came to grips with what happened and he was at peace with it. And so he had no inner trauma or turmoil anymore. So he was able to see without being affected anymore.

Maybe he was going to be the next step in the evolution, right? Maybe he's going to be the true survivor for the next, you know, phase of humanity. You have to go through. They say you have to walk through fire before you can, you know, get to the problem. or whatever. Yeah. That's true. That's true. And yeah, I totally get where he was coming from. And because, like, when I thought that he was seeing these souls going up, and then when he started doubting himself, he's like, maybe I'm not doing right.

And then he stopped seeing the souls going up. I'm like, well, that's not very smart of the creature. If he'd have continued with the story and, you know, deny, deny, deny. Yeah. Then he would have, I think that he would have come back around and continued to believe that and done the will of whatever this creature was. And then, was, was the creature taking the form of his daughter? Or was it just showing him his daughter?

I think it was just showing. Okay. Because I feel like there was a scene at some point where he, like, she physically interacts with something. but I can't remember. Huh. There's still so much more to be revealed, right? I mean, please let this not be the last.

Yeah, I know she was, there were times where people heard him talking to her, but when they would glance over, it would just be him. Because I know there was the thing about giving her necklace to the other little girl. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah, and there were some scenes when I thought, don't they think this guy's just crazy talking to himself in the fucking stairwell here? something but yeah the scene where the scene in the beginning where they were um him and his daughter was skating

I couldn't remember was that a flashback when she was alive or was that no it was she already dead he she was dead but he thought he was really taking her somewhere where she could ride skate okay okay because that's when the blind group came

right and he was like hurry up get get your bag get your stuff yeah beat the shit out of him Yeah, which even thinking back on that scene, like, they didn't even acknowledge her. So, of course, they didn't acknowledge her because she was never there. Yeah. Like Tavora said, it definitely is one to go back and rewatch.

Yeah. It wasn't until he crashed the bus and watched the people die and their souls leave where I went. Yes. Oh, his daughter's dead. Yeah, I know. They hit you with two twists, one right after the other there. Yeah. It sort of came together.

that moment, but that you still had a lot of questions. And I think there's still a lot of questions to answer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They did a good job of answering some, but still having you want more. Yeah, it was it was the, it was the perfect mix, right? I mean, good movie. I want to know what these things are and where they came from. Yeah. This, the mythos has to continue. Yeah. Any, any last words on it, guys? I think that's it. All right. Well, Tavaris, thanks for joining us, man.

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And for your one-stop shop, just go to thehorrorreturns.com. next week it's a commentary a Patreon patron patron how do you say it Brian? Patreon commentary? It's the Super Network guys they're going to be joining us for Ricky O the story of Ricky Anybody seen this or heard of it?

Yes. Yeah I'm am I going to be the one version? I watched it tomorrow I watched it after we did that March that episode And everybody's- The story of Ricky?

Yeah. Story of Ricky, yeah. Not Ricky Bobby. I don't know what's- You haven't seen that. When did it come out? It's chaos, man. It's some-

Japanese? Yeah, I think it came out, I think, the 90s, maybe late 80s, early 90s. That makes sense. Okay. It's definitely not a movie

you watch with the kids. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But it's like, it's like, well, type it in now. I'm going to check it out.

out. It's like those wild-ass Bollywood action movies. Okay, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Ricky O. All right. All right, on that note, until the horror returns again, Brian. Good night.