The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #40: Firestarter (1984) & Logan (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

We check out Logan and Stephen King's Firestarter. Thanks for listening!

James victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify go welcome, you have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out to review a brand new horror movie.

Then go back, or Sime's Action, of course, or comic book, right guys? Right, yeah. Then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but we also aim to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and the political climate of the times.

We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers at that time, just simply turn us off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. Now, of course, we generally assume you horror fans out there have already seen the classic film, so there's always going to be spoilers when we are discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we will do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies generally tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Phillip.

How's it going, guys? It's going pretty good. Good, man. Staying alive. So, Philip, you had a little league game tonight. You played in a little league game or what? We had our first little league practice for my six-year-old. Nice. All right.

That went cool. He's on the cubbies, so we're world champions already. I worked out. What are you doing, Brian? you guys finally quit snowing up there? No. I don't know. The weather's been crazy up here because next month will be like a breakup where it starts

to get warm, you know, spring sets in. Right. But it's been like last night it was like 17 below. Oh, wow. Really shitty outside. Wow. That's insane. Looking forward to April.

That's when the snow goes. way and the sun comes out and well other than the minus 17 which is which is pretty self-evident what's your what's your other cool of the week man my cool the week actually is a cool and a not cool

together we lost uh bill paxton here uh not too long ago yeah yeah one of my one of my yeah one of my favorite actors you know I think everything whether it was a minor role or a major role

I thought he was always the one that stood out in the movies. Well, he's been in a billion things, you know? Oh, yeah. So my cool little week was I just revisited a whole bunch of Bill Paxton movies, but I'll probably talk about my favorite ones were, of course, aliens, you know. Game Over, man. And I always loved him in weird science as Chip. Yeah, Chip.

Yeah. The wicked older. brother, huh? Yeah. And another movie I checked out that's on Netflix. If no one's watched it, I recommend it. I think it's highly

underrated. Probably not underrated, but not talked about enough, is frailty. Yeah, I love friends you, man. You don't really know through most of the movie if he's just seeing things. Or if it's really going, it reminds me of the movie, what was

Michael Shannon in it called Take Shelter? Yes. Kind of similar vibe. to that for me. Yeah, so that was pretty much my week. Also, another thing I had posted onto the Facebook page was this

article I read about unconfirmed get-out theories. Right. They are crazy. Like, somebody came up with a theory about why she eats cereal and drinks the milk. It's because the milk is white

and the cereal is different colors and she doesn't want to mix them. Yeah, it is, there is so many theories that like when you read the list, it makes you think, go back and think about the movie. Well, this is also racist because the milk is white. And then the scene where the landscaper is running at him at nighttime. Yeah, they brought up because the grandfather used to be the track star back in the day. okay and now that

now that he's in the younger body he's like just out there running yeah it's it's it's I posted it on the on the Facebook and the Twitter it's a very very interesting list

of all these theories that really make a lot of sense when you like think about it yeah I kind of like fan theories man they're fun to they're fun to listen to yeah so um they're on there for

I posted it for everybody to check out but that's pretty much uh been my week right there. Man, I've got a... I checked out Manchester by the sea. That's probably my not so cool a week. Oh, no.

Wow. Feel good movie the year, huh? It's all right. It's just, God, it's so slow. And they do that every year, though. All of those best picture nominees are always like real, real slow burns, and you don't really know what's going on until halfway through the story. It's just a story about people in their everyday lives.

Right. And, yeah, it just kind of got old on that one. I didn't even make it all the way through. I just, I gave up. It's like, this is too long. I've got stuff to do. Oh, dude, you watch somebody wander around. No, you're going to do it myself.

You missed the big gunfight at the end. His brother showed up as Batman, and they had a huge gun battle at the end. Man, you turned it off way too early, man. Well, if it takes that long a buildup, it belongs in that D.C. world. how was his acting in it because i heard there's some a lot of people said something about the way he talked was kind of slow or i don't know yeah i guess i don't know i mean if i guess the acting was good if his goal was to just be regular guy was it deserving of an oscar with some anger management issues um maybe i don't know i'd have to go back

can watch it again, man. I just, I, I, I couldn't really get into it enough to pay attention, you know? Yeah, I got you, man. I, I, I didn't, it wasn't, it was, it definitely wasn't my favorite of the, of the Oscar nominees, that's for sure. Yeah. Lance, you see, you seen most of them, right? I think I've seen all of them except Haxaw Ridge.

Okay. Was he deserving of the Oscar? Hell no. No, man. My, my, my pick would have been Denzel, but, you know. That's what I heard. Yeah, he's... Really?

He was just kind of bland to me, you know? I mean, like we were talking about, people said he talked really, really slowly, you know. I mean, it was a decent story as far as, like, just a real, you know, like an old-fashioned, almost Shakespeare. It was a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. Let's put it that way. Yeah, boy, and it was a lot of bad shit happening. It was like, man, this is depressing.

I don't know. It was rough, man. Well, speaking of movies that I got my cool of the week, movies that could have taken a depressing turn but stayed fun the whole way through. This movie I just fucking loved. It's on Netflix. I don't feel at home in this world anymore. Oh, I wanted you to watch that.

I forgot about that. You know what? You know what? I did check that out. What did you think, man? I love that movie. I can't believe I don't. I can't believe I forgot that.

I watched it. It is, I loved it for what it, what I thought it was. And then the last, like I say 20, 30 minutes of the movie, it takes a turn. And it is, it takes a good turn. It doesn't take a bad turn. It gets real crazy at the end. And I loved it. And I am, I am starting to be a big fan of, what is her name?

Jane Levy. Yeah, she wasn't even ended that much, right? Yeah, but she, she kind of. stood out to me in this movie. Also, also, I loved Elijah Woods character in this movie. Oh, he was awesome. Yeah. And you know what? Brian's absolutely right. It starts

out. It was just, I mean, it was almost just like a straight up comedy in certain parts, especially when Elijah Wood's character came in, but it sure as hell didn't end up as a comedy, did it? No, it didn't. Yeah, I remember watching the trailer.

Yeah, it looks super good. I think we watched it for the show few weeks ago. Yeah, we did. And that's what I'm watching tonight. It's on my list. I'm talking about it next week. Director,

making Blair, which Brian, you pointed out, that's the dude that was the star of Blue Ruyn and he also showed up as more of a minor character in Green Room. Yeah, he pops up in this movie, too.

I noticed that. That was kind of funny. He was a little. He was in a little. Yeah, I was about to say that. He's a little bit of an asshole in this movie. But,

you know, it goes along with the theme, with the main character. Oh, yeah, sure. All right, so yeah, we would highly recommend that one, I think. It sounds like when we talk again, Philip, you will have seen it too, huh? Oh, yeah, definitely. This week's upcoming Blu-ray pick is going to be a movie that we all enjoyed, which is split.

It's going to be due April 18th, and I'm really interested in this Blu-ray because there's going to be alternate endings, plus a lot of deleted scenes. so that'll be pretty interesting. Alternate endings, that ought to be good. Yeah. Okay, moving on to our first. We got more casting news for Godzilla King of Monsters. Vera Formiga, a lot of people know from the Conjuring movies and Bates Motel. Right.

She's been casted in Godzilla along with Kyle Chandler. I can take him or leave him. Yeah, he Oh, which one's Kyle Chandler? He was the brother that died. Spoiler alert. In Manchester by the sea. I mean, they kind of remember the first fight into the movies.

Yeah, which is strange. His name's been one of the names popping up for cable for Deadpool. Oh, shit. I hope not, man. Yeah, I think that was the whole fallout with the, what, Tim Miller, the director from the first one. Right. I think that's who he wanted as cable, which I don't see that guy in any kind of superhero role whatsoever. Super boring, maybe.

Yeah. Okay. Next news item here, there is a petition to boycott Jeepers Creepers 3 from being shown in theaters. Yeah, somebody on our Facebook page. But, yeah, of course, Salva is a monster, but I still want to see it. Was that Denny? Denny Lewis that put that? Was it Dick?

It was Kevin. I can't remember exactly. It might have been Kevin. Yeah, we're actually going to cover it in the listener feedback. It looks like Kevin. Okay. I think we had other news. Sorry about that, Kevin.

What was that? We reported Adrian Barbot was going to be in Jeepus Groupes 3. She has since dropped out of the project, claiming that she was never never really casted in the movie, but a lot of people are calling shenanigans because she was listed. Right.

And the cast on, what was it, I and D.B? So, yeah, it looks like due to the upcoming, which looks like fallout of this movie that she dropped out. That's what a lot of people are assuming.

Which it's still, I don't understand how this guy is still, making movies. And not like in jail? Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't know. This one, I don't know,

jeepers creepers three. Moving on. Yeah, they definitely got the creep factor down on that. That's for sure. Absolutely. New Line Cinema is going to make a Wizard of Oz horror film. Does this peak

you guys' interests? Yeah, actually it does. Yeah, I thought the original Wizard of Oz pretty much was a horror film if you were like five years old and watching those flying monkeys. Oh, yeah, no kidding. It had some creepy stuff in it. But yeah, could you imagine if they were trying to make it creepy, boy?

Yeah, it'd be, I think they could do it. I mean, after Emerald City, and they just wrapped that up, Brian, did you finish all, what was it, all 10 episodes? I think I have maybe two or three more episodes and then I'm done. Yeah, I mean, as much as I wanted to hate that going into it, and I really kind of did hate it as far as the overacting and some of the shit like that, some of the writing was pretty, you know, it's like they would start a storyline and never really tie it up and stuff like that. But for some reason, man, I just couldn't quit watching it. I could not quit watching it. So, yeah, I'm willing to give it a try.

Yeah, right now, I think it's just in the preliminary talk. so, but from things I'm reading, this is going to be like a full-on horror movie. So, that'll be interesting. I mean, it's got to be big budget, though. They got to go blockbuster with it. Yeah, I think they will. I think they'll put some money into this. You know, I mean, it's already got a name, Wizard of Oz.

Yeah. Not really a lot of, go ahead. Not to interrupt, but is by any chance, Ramey directing it? oh gosh i hope not oh you didn't hear so much for the the the the great and powerful huh it was i don't know it didn't feel ramy to me right and i i hated james franco as the wizard or boss i'd actually i'd actually prefer denofrio over james franco right but uh yeah i don't know Who would you want to direct it? I don't know, Philip, you got any ideas?

Shit, I don't know. Wizard of Oz is like super creepy, so... I don't know. Whoever directed this trailer, we're going to talk about the void might be good for it. Give it to Fedé Alvarez. Let them do like this. Oh, yeah.

That might not be bad. Yeah. So far, I've liked everything. You have to go big budget with it. I mean, you got to go, like, big-time Michael Bay type shit or something. I mean, not to make it a horror movie, obviously, but... Yeah, I see what's the same. What do you guys think about John Carpenter?

Is he trying to direct anything? I don't know. I don't know, but, I mean, you're asking, like, dream director for it. He might be pretty good. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, I would say, like, Guillermo del Toro. That would be trippy. that I can see

I could see him being hired as the director and then eventually dropping out due to other projects along with the other 100 projects because it really bombed me because he really made me believe that Hellboy 3 was happening

and then it's just not going to happen which oh quick dude's got more work and he can handle yeah quick recap on Hellboy 2 I guess eventually they're going the people that and the rights are just going to reboot it.

Right. So eventually we will get a Hellboy. We just won't get the third one in the original. I got you. So they said eventually, but just not with Guillermo. I guess he's just, apparently he's got his fingers in too many projects. And, yeah, not a lot of news this week. So, kind of, before we get to the trailer park, bringing up a couple new trailers for

previous movies we reviewed the original trailers. They had a new Alien Covenant trailer and a new Guardians trailer. Did you buy any chance, guys, check those out? No, I heard about the new Guardians trailer. They said it was really good and I can't believe I missed it. Yeah, this movie looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. Oh, yeah, I'm excited. They said Baby Groot is going to be all over it.

Yeah, and it looks like we're going to get a lot more, like, human. or from uh drax yeah and um so he's gonna he's gonna have a bigger role in this one huh he looks he's like all over the trailer and then uh we got our first introduction of uh kurt russell oh okay how does it look all right i'm watching that he uh he is how i wanted him to look he's a beardy kurt russell so

all right but he doesn't look like a big giant living planet or something like that with a face on it that's what i'm I mean, I kind of want to see what that looks like. So, no, he was just in human form. All right. But the Alien Covenant trailer, yeah, I think it confirms. I don't think we're going to get a funny Danny McBride in this movie. Yeah, it did.

Yeah. He's going to be more serious. Yeah. I've seen him in a few of them now, and he hasn't spit one joke out, not one punchline. Yeah, I am really excited for Alien Coving. and it looks really good. It looks like we're back to the original alien movies that, you know, everybody loves. For sure.

Yeah. I'm definitely more excited about this one than any of the others that have come out. Yeah. With that being said, I think we can move on to the trailer part. All right. You boys ready? Ready. All right.

So as with every show, it's time to take a little trip down to the trailer part. and this is where we take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? First one we are going to talk about is Phoenix Forgotten. A new found footage flick starring Florence Hardigan, Jeannie Jackson, Chelsea Lopez. And it is directed by Justin Barber.

and I believe I've seen in the trailer it said it's from the producers of the Martian in 300 yeah I saw that in the track that was kind of a weird thing to put on a on a low budget found footage movie but I kind of thought the same thing I was like wow that this is that's a strange combination of movies too right seem to know they had place they had to look at their filmography and see what the biggest movies they did throw that in there well I got to tell you I I got to tell you, I'm not a big fan of found footage, but I'm a, I'm a sucker for a good alien movie, a good UFO. Yeah, I kind of get a little paranormal activity vibe, but, you know, with aliens. Right.

Yeah, and I actually like found footage movies, but they're so easy to do low budget that there's a lot of really bad ones. So I've got to be faded on it. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll check it out. I don't imagine it's going to be a big widespread release or anything. I would probably say VOD on this one. Straight to Netflix. We're getting this on April 21st. Cool.

Yeah, I'll definitely check it out. I may wait a few months and see if it comes to Netflix, but it's worth a watch. Yeah. I'll sit through it. That's my review. There you go. There you go, man.

Okay. Moving on to our next one. one is the void, which is being billed as a gory tribute to John Carpenter. I was kind of getting a thing vibe pretty early in that one, man, for sure. Which you guys probably already know this piqued my interest, because I also got a thing vibe from it. This stars Kathleen Monroe, Ellen Wong, Kenneth Welsh, Aaron Poole, and others. And it is directed by Jeremy Giuseppe and Stephen Kostanski. say that three times fast.

More fake blood than Carrie. Yeah. It looks, it's, it's super gory, like, from the get-go. Yeah,

it looks like we're going to get a lot of practical effects in there. And, you know, you guys know, I'm a big, big on practical effects. And, yeah,

um, as soon as I flashed a gory tribute to John Carpenter, and then we started getting some images that reminded me a thing. I'm definitely in on this one. Oh, yeah. I know we all got that vibe of the thing, but as the trailer went on, was it just me or did you guys kind of get a little bit of a phantasm feel?

Oh, near the end there? Well, yeah, I mean, it just reminded the alternate world there and were they, you know, were they, I guess he touched the two pillars and ended up all those tiny people were being compressed on that. other planet. Okay. Show like,

I don't know. I just kind of got a feeling that it kind of, it fed into that a little bit. Yeah, I just, the part of the trailer where I got that is it's near the end where they're kind of like looking out to the distance and it kind of looked like one of those scenes where they had crossed over.

And it just, that's where it kind of gave me that phantasm vibe. I guess I can see that, man. It was really just a whole lot of really creepy and gory images all flashed back to back to back to back. so it's kind of hard to tell what this storyline was going to be, you know? Yeah, I mean, if they combine elements of the thing in phantasm,

I mean, that's just as good for me, you know. I'll take it. Well, we already know the special effects are going to be better than ravagers, so. Oh, God. I hope. You know what? I hear a lot of people like that movie. I don't know why.

I really don't know why. No, I'm not a fan. Yeah. the void this coming April 7th all right and our final trailer is also going to be one of the

final not the final but one of the final appearances of Bill Paxton it is mean dreams this one look good yes this is also stars Sophie Nell Lisi

I believe Josh Wiggins Okay. Yep, we'll just go with those names. And it is directed by Nathan Morlando. Any idea what else he's known for? Nathan Morlando has done. I'm pulling it up real quick. Nothing on here that I recognize.

All right. His last movie he directed was a movie named Copper. And then what else? A citizen gangster. Okay. Never heard of those movies. And another one of these young directors getting a pretty big name star to show up. And gosh, it's, oh man, it's almost wrong to say this, but you guys know what I'm getting at here, right?

Almost like it couldn't have happened at a better time for his career. Oh, well, yeah, I guess that's true. I was thinking, I mean, this one just from the preview looks like it's going to be pretty big, especially since it's, you know, got Bill Paxton starring in it, and it's the last role that he did. And it looked like it flashed a couple of, like maybe they won some sort of indie film awards or something like that. Really?

So it's, yeah, on the preview I saw. So it looks like it's going to be interesting. Yeah, we're getting bad guy Bill Paxton, which I always love. Yeah, he's the main villain. It's just judging from the trail, it just kind of, it's just going to be one of the movies where you shouldn't have you fuck with the wrong guy's daughter oh wow

yeah yeah we'll we'll see I mean it looked like it looked like it was going to be kind of a kind of a suspenseful movie it it's yeah definitely I mean nothing in the trailer really grabbed me like I've really got to see this but I'm sure it's going to be good

and I don't know an official release date I think you were right Philip I think it did win some kind of wars because I think it was released in like you know, some of the film festivals. So I don't got an official release date, but it has been released in January on a limited thing. So I'm assuming like film festivals and stuff.

So when I get wind of official release date, I'll let everybody know. Cool. And that was our last trailer. Philip, we got any listener feedback this week? Yeah, we do. and, you know, wouldn't be listener feedback without our buddy Patrick writing in. He wrote a couple of tidbits for you all. Cyborg has been a member of the Justice League since 2011.

Oh, you remember we were bashing the Justice League when it can. So, Timette, Lance. This is why he's included in the movie. And Lance is right. He was previously a Teen Titan, but he's been in long enough to justify him being in the movie. You guys also mentioned a Nightwing movie. I think if they want to bring him in, he should go to the CW. There's a team called the Titans that consist of Nightwing, Wally West, Roy Harper, the Red Arrow,

Donna Troy, Wonder Woman's Sisters, and a couple of others. CW already has some of them established. And that's, let's see, what else do we have? Kevin Nez. he wrote about the thing you were talking about earlier. Right. That was a Facebook page comment. Let's see.

He says, regarding the possible Jason goes to hell, director's cut. Kevin says the hardcore fans want all the missing footage put back in. Well, these idiots are not hardcore fans if they like this bullshit. I've seen some of what was taken out. And if they put it back in,

it'll still be a piece of shit. Wow. He also chined in on the upcoming Victor Salva film Deepers Creepers 3. He says, yeah, he's a monster, but I'd still like to see a third film. Let's see. We also want to take this opportunity to give a shout out to a couple of fellow podcasters. This week, our shout out goes to the Hail Ming Power Hour. Hail Ming.

Ricky and Danny are a couple of crazy guys who take you back to the 80s every week with a review of classic 80s film. They mix a lot of horror into the show, so it's always a great time. Look for the Hail Ming Power Hour on iTunes or Legion Podcasts. It's a really fun show. As always, thanks to everybody who reaches out to us. We love the feedback. You can reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com or just search for the horror returns on any of the social medias.

And we'll be there, as always, because we return. That's what we do with horror. All right, you guys ready for featured attractions? Let's do it. Let's do it. All right, this week we review the much-anticipated new Wolverine film, Logan, as well as Fire Starter. Now, Fire Starter was directed by Mark Lester. Is that name Ring of Bell, Brian?

Commando, right? Commando, and also Class of 1984. I don't know that. Rider was Stanley. Class of 1984 is like about a bunch of punk rockers that go crazy and like basically take over the school. It's like in the 80s they thought that's where we were headed. Like airheads? A little bit more of a violent version of Airheads, I think. But yeah, I guess you got the idea.

The writer of Fire Starter, obviously Stephen King wrote the novel, but the screenwriter was Stanley Mann. and he was also known for Conan the Destroyer as well as Damien Omen 2. So getting into the trivia, when Drew Barrymore was six and a half years old before she was cast in the movie, her mother thought that Drew looked like the girl on the source novel's paperback dust jacket.

Drew once said, My mom has seen this book at the grocery store with a picture of a little girl on it, and she said, gee, that kind of looks like you. She said it was okay if I bought it, and so I did. When I read it, I came into the kids, kitchen where my mom was making dinner and said, I'm the fire starter. I'm Charlie McGee, but she didn't know what I was talking about. Jennifer Connolly and Taylor Neff were considered

for the role of nine-year-old Charlie McGee. Actress Drew Barrymore won the part and was about eight years old when she played it. And final piece of trivia, Drew Barrymore, very Barrymore-centric trivia here. She now describes herself as a recovering alcoholic. She had her first taste of Champagne at the Fire Starter rap party at D. N.O.D. Lorenis's Beach House. And as they say, the rest is history. That led to eating people and everything else. So who wants to go first here? I think I'll go first. Yeah, it's been a while since I've seen Firestarter. But I have to say, I really enjoyed rewatching this movie. It's kind of like the original X-Men movie. Right. Yeah. If you really look at it. except you know they're at a superhero vibe

except you know they're creating I mean I don't know what the I don't really get the reason why they were testing where they did you guys ever figure out if they were trying to create like superpower people or yeah I kind of got that

I kind of got that impression what was it lot 6 drug or whatever yeah actually that group that was our friend Patrick message me something about that. What did they call that group that was that was after her?

It was the, oh my gosh. Something like that. Yeah, well, Patrick, you'll have to, you'll have to correct this man, because I can't remember what they call themselves, but he made a pretty damn... The shop. The shop, there you go. He made a damn good point at the one of that one group in,

not Gene Smart's group, but the other group in Legion, reminded him a whole lot of the shop. Oh, yeah, that's true. Going back and rewatching this, it kind of makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? Wow, yeah. And I didn't realize how many people were in this movie. I mean, you know, we had... What was his name, General Patton, George C. Scott?

George C. Scott. And, I mean, I might be wrong, but I kind of got a creepy kind of vibe from him with his whole interaction with Drew Barrymore's character. Oh, I did too, yeah. Like, it was very, very pedophile kind of... Yeah, yeah, it was a little strange there. Like, oh, you're going a little further than farther figure, you know what I mean? Um, oh, I'm forgetting everybody's name.

A nurse Ratchet from one flew over to cuckoooo's necks showed up in this movie. Right. We had a huggy bear from a... Huggy bear. What was that? I can't think of anybody's name. I could only think of their character's name. Yeah, Huggy.

Is that Starsky and Hutch? Yes, yes. And the other Keith David, aka David Keith? Oh, gosh. That is the first thing I thought of when I seen him. I was thinking of that episode when we went on that trip on the internet. But,

yeah, this was a great movie. I really like, You know, some of the effects were a little dated, but they actually held up for me. And the overall storyline of him trying to protect his daughter because he knows what they're going to do once they get, you know, get a hold of her. I enjoyed that, you know, I enjoyed, of course, seeing, you know, Heather Locklear in her glory days. Oh, yeah. Back on screen.

And was it ever confirmed that she had powers? I mean, she was in the same testing facility, so I assume that she got powers along with him. Yeah, because rewatching this, I didn't realize that Drew Barrymore's character actually had other powers. Like, she was able to, like, when people were after them, she was able to see them coming, like, minutes before they actually got there. I totally forgot about that part. So I don't know. Maybe she inherited that from her mother or something. Hmm.

Could be. I just always, yeah, I just always. Yeah, I just always wondered because they kind of, you know, like you said, went through the same testing. Never really showed her do anything. And man, how much did Martin Sheen look like Emilio Estevez in this movie? Shit. You mean Ramon Estevez? No, like, man, it looked like Emilio Estevez looks now in this movie.

It was crazy. Yeah, tell the resemblance. Considering I had just watched Repo Man like the week before. Yeah, that really was a trip, man. Yeah, I really noticed that. I think he looks a lot more like his dad than Charlie Sheen does for sure. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I mean, they're almost like Dead Ringers, you know?

But yeah, I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but I remember distinctly when I read it, there's a lot of stuff because Stephen King's books are usually pretty dense. and there was a lot of stuff that was in the book that didn't make it into the movie, and that always kind of pisses me off. It's like if they were to make, I think anytime you make a Stephen King movie, it should be a miniseries or at least like two or three movies, like it looks like they're going to do with it and the Dark Tower and all that. In fact, have you guys heard the rumor about how they're going to roll out the Dark Tower?

No, I haven't. So there's going to be the first film, and then they're supposed to be a teller, television series. I don't know if it's going to be on HBO or AMC or what. Is this all connected? It's all going to be connected. So the plan right now, and I just read about this the other day, is the film, and then like a 10-episode series, and then another film, a 10-episode series, and then a final film. Okay. So that should be interesting, yeah. Talk about a big project.

Well, since we're doing Stephen King movie news, I didn't want to bring it up in the news because we talked about it. much on this podcast. But they are officially doing the second movie. So we will get the second part. That's probably as it should be, right? Yeah, we won't get left hanging with them as kids. Well, I figured they'd do that. Well, that was really the only thing that disappointed me about this is that so much got

left out that I was, like, looking forward to from the book. And I kind of thought the ending, like, maybe I did in the first time I watched it, but I thought on the rewatch, some of the special effects with her using her powers were a little dated. Seemed a little cheesy on this watch anyway, but... I did like the end, though, when she was attacking everybody with her powers. Right. Because there was some pretty brutal scenes in this movie. Like, when she blasted that guy with a fireball and he flew into the tree.

Yeah, right. And let's not forget George C. Scott when he karate chopped the shit. shit out of that scientist when he was in bed. He literally used a judo chop. Killed him in one blow. Oh, wow. Which I was, I was really intrigued with his character until, you know, he started getting like real creepy with.

And I didn't, what was his motivation? Because I think he said in a movie something about how he wanted to be the one to kill her. Yeah, I think he wanted to, he wanted to gain her friendship. look her in the eye and then put her nose into her brain and then what did he say absorb her powers

and take it with him into the afterlife I think he was trying to get her to like gain her powers man that's did he got power was that his superpower was absorbing other people's powers I think maybe I mean there was a lot of questions

yeah but you know it's the 80s they don't always explain every detail of the movies You know, they kind of start you out in the middle of it. There was a bunch of... But I also got... I also kind of got that vibe from, you know, you get these characters in the X-Men movies that just hate people with superpowers and they just want them to die. I kind of got a little bit of that.

Like, he didn't... Maybe he didn't think people should have these powers or something. But then he kind of went off the deep end when he said he wanted to absorb their powers and take it with him to the afterlife. Yeah, there's no amount of passion that could make you go, man, I really want to like smash this little eight-year-old girl's nose into her brain, you know? That's rough, man. Yeah, well, I haven't read the book since, like, at least, well, this came out in 84, so I would say I haven't read the book since, like, 81 or 82. But I'm sure all that's explained a lot better in the book. I think that's part of what really pissed me off the first time I saw this movie is because they did leave so much of the, you know, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the.

important parts of the storyline out. Yeah. Yeah, but if they'd have made it a three-hour movie back then, nobody would have seen it. Sure. Different times. Speaking of three-hour movie, I did track down the sequel to this movie. Oh, yeah? I didn't know it was a miniseries on sci-fi.

Oh. It is almost three hours long, and it is fucking terrible. That's what I heard. I turned it off. I turned it off after like 45. minutes. What? Brian doesn't turn anything off.

That's insane. I know. And it was, because it was like original sci-fi channel, like that kind of content. Yeah. Before Shark Nato. Yeah, I tapped out real quick.

I was like, this is a bunch of bullshit. And it's not, I don't even know why it's, it's called a sequel because it's almost, most of it is almost like a recreation of the original movie. Oh, boy. Yeah.

It was terrible. I like this movie though I had actually forgotten it was Drew Barrymore in the movie I just remembered it being a little girl and popped it on and was like holy shit How did you guys like for acting?

I thought it was really good man She was super cute the whole time Like she was I could see why she was a child star You know Mm-hmm Yeah I remember I remember she was in that other Stephen King

movie Cats Eye. You guys remember that? Oh yeah, okay. Where she had to save the little, did she have to save her little baby brother from having his breath stolen by a troll or something like that? I believe.

It was kind of a weird role, but yeah, she's had quite a career. Yeah, no kidding. Still going. Always worked. Yeah, I thought she was great in this. And, you know, the special effects, yeah, some of them are a little bit dated,

the fireballs and stuff. but I mean in general they did use a lot of practical effects and there was a bunch of fire it looked like. I thought that was pretty cool and you can't really go wrong when you're doing practical effects. A lot of

stupid people in this movie. Yeah. Oh, here we know. Yeah, that's definitely some stupid people. A lot of stupid people. If the guys in the burn suits are getting burnt up, run away. Yeah, no shit, right?

Let's jump around in the woods especially that whole what was it the farm scene yeah when she immediately lit that guy on fire and then within seconds he was like a burnt skeleton on the ground everybody else

yeah I'm like you run away forget these cars just run run as fast as you can yeah and I thought the the creepy villain guy was a little much just not Not necessarily in who he was in the movie. It was just his interactions with Drew Barrymore.

I thought were a little, I hate to use the word inappropriate because I don't like that word, but they were inappropriate. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, that's all you can. You're not talking about George C. Scott, are you? I'm talking about the villain that wanted to eat her soul. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, George C. Scott. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

General Patton. Yeah, he was super creepy, man. Like, he wanted to savor for himself and tire up in a basement for a while before he baster beats in. Man, I don't know, I guess you guys, I may have to go rewatch it again. I didn't quite get that vibe as much as you guys did. But, you know, then again, I was just, I was probably looking forward more to the finale. Because I remember when I was young and I first saw this, I really enjoyed the finale. That's why I was so damn

disappointed this time because the special effects weren't nearly as good as I remembered them being, but I guess that's life. I get that. But, you know, in general, I think it was still a good movie it held up. Well, Brian, what's your

rating, man? I'm going to give it a soft seven. I still enjoyed it. I really like the finale. David, David, David, I really like David Keyes' powers too, because he was able to just tell people what they, what they needed to do and what he wanted them to see, like, uh, when he got in a cab with a huggy bear, right.

He gave him a, what did he give him a dollar? Tell him it was a $500 bill. Yes. I really like that. Yeah, I really like that. And, um, I thought everybody did fine in the movie as far as acting. And I really liked the story. Um, I, I, I probably,

I think I would like to see an updated version of this, not on the sci-fi channel. Oh, no, I was about to say you already saw it, dude. It's called Firestarter 2 Rekindled, man. Rekindled. What more could you ask for, dude? If they're going to reboot everything else in Hollywood, why not do this one? Yeah, so I give it a soft seven. Okay.

Well, that's not too bad. I was a little more disappointed, you know, like I often am with Stephen King movies, unfortunately. And then I was so pissed off at the end when that big finale just wasn't as explosive as I... Well, I mean, it was definitely as explosive, but the special effects just weren't as good as I had remembered in my youthful memories, you know? Yeah. But I still give it a six. I mean, I still liked it more than not. And the shop, the shop were just, man, they were great.

He should, I know he used those in a few other of his books, but he should have kept recurring with them quite a bit. that was a really sinister organization there. There was a lot of potential there for other stories. Yeah, there's a lot of potential for some crazy storylines. Yeah, definitely. I mean, just with the whole mutant thing in general, like you said, it was almost like the first X-Men. You think he's got a story somewhere laying around that evolves to shop, Stephen King? I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

I'll bet Patrick will tell us. Well, man, I'm going to give this. one I think I'm going to stick with Brian and give it a seven I think it was it was really enjoyable it definitely a little bit dated but I mean what movie from 1984 is it but man I I think it held up it was it was fun to watch it didn't it didn't really lose my interest at all and in the end can't ask for much more than that we're definitely all right we definitely all enjoyed it then so yeah Firestarter, if you hadn't checked that out, definitely worth going back to 1984 to give it a shot.

But our second film of the night, I think it was probably a little bit more anticipated, at least by one member of this podcast group here. Oh, yeah, this was my cool of the week. This is Logan, and the director is James Mangold, also known for Girl Interrupted, and the remake of 310 to Yuma, which is really awesome. You guys seen that one? Yeah, that was good. Very, very good movie.

He also directed the Wolverine. We won't hold that against him. I didn't care for that one as much. But I think his hands were... I like that one. That was a good one. Yeah, I think his hands were tied a little bit, though. As we'll get into more when we talk about this one, where they...

I think they kind of just let him go. Writer with Scott Frank, also for a walk among the tombstones. That's the one with Liam Neeson. Have you guys seen that one? Yeah, it was a little. little different from the movies he had put out previously. Not really fighty. Liam Neeson, kind of just regular guy.

But it was a decent movie. Yeah, I've never seen it. Wasn't it still a revenge movie of some kind, or am I thinking of something else? I think, because I haven't seen it. I think from what I'm remembering, he was an investigator. Ah, okay. And he was working the case.

And he, but he's not, like, from Taken, he's not, like, got a particular set of skills. anything, but... Right. It was decent. Yeah. All right. I remember seeing it, but I don't remember it specifically.

Yeah, I know I've never seen it, but like I've put it in my queue before and like HBO or something like that, but just never got around to it again. Scott Frank also wrote The Wolverine. There you go, Philip. And one of my favorite Spielberg movies, Minority Report. Oh, yeah, that's a good one, too. So here's a really funny, probably pretty fitting piece of trivia. Hugh Jackman was hungover when he came up with the idea for Logan.

When he was done doing press for the film Chappie, which I think would make anybody hung over. I like Chappie. All right, well, a lot of people do. Director Neil Blomkamp asked what was next for the Wolverine and Hugh had no idea currently. after having a quote-unquote a few glasses of wine he fell asleep, woke up at four in the morning and grabbed a tape recorder and summed up that Wolverine 3 would be a mix of unforgiven the wrestler and Shane

These three movies would be the basis of the story idea theme behind the next Wolverine film Oh so Hugh Jackman wrote it I guess he gave Scott Frank the inspiration Or something like that like he came up That's got to just be the way he decided he wanted to play that character or something. I read that and I was like, wow, that sounds bad. Yeah, when you're Hugh Jackman at this point, you could do pretty much whatever Hugh Jackman wants to do.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Patrick Stewart confirmed in an interview with Graham Norton that this would be his last time playing Charles Xavier. And one little, I guess, Easter egg in there. the samurai sword presented to Logan and Philip's second favorite Jackman movie The Wolverine can be seen in the smelting mill

where Logan and Charles are hiding out. So, no question on who was looking forward to this movie the most. Philip, did it deliver? Yeah, I thought it was great. It was like no country for old men, but with Wolverine. Pretty brutal, huh?

Yeah, It was definitely brutal. They had some kills in there from the opening scene. It's loosely based on the old man Logan comic book storyline. Right. Except they, yeah, you know, anytime you see one of these superhero movies, you get into who has the rights to who, especially in the Marvel world, because you can't just integrate all the characters like they would be in the comic books.

Sure. So they had to abandon part of that storyline. and part of the reason that there are no more mutants and we'll get into that in spoiler territory is a little different than it is in the books. But it was, man, it was pretty good. They borrowed some pretty good images. I think it was a great story even without being a Wolverine story.

And then you add that in there and it was awesome. I thought the little girl kicked ass the whole way. I love Patrick Stewart in it. I loved Hugh Jackman. I thought this was his best Wolverine performance so far. Well, ever, I guess. Right. That's strong words, man.

He's done, what has he done, 10 of them now? Brian? I think he's played, I think I read you. He's played Wolverine in 10 films now. Wow. I see. He was in all six, nine, I think. Unless you count his picture of his face on Deadpool's face and

Deadpool. Well, okay. That's starting to get a little bit. I think nine, but overall, he's played a character for 17 years. Right. Yeah. He did a good job. Oh, there was a Deadpool trailer at the beginning of this.

I guess we should talk about that. Oh, hold on. It's, I don't know. I think, I think we can get into that. They already posted online, so. Okay, fair game, then. Okay, cool. So what was that, what was that Deadpool trailer all?

about, Brian? It was a very clever thing they did because I thought the movie started. I did too. Yeah. This is, oh gosh, now I kind of feel like we're giving minor sport. Oh, fuck it. Okay. Because it's already online.

They set it up very clever. You think the movie started. And then you see someone walking. And then when you get a shot of his face, it's Deadpool with no mask. Right. And I don't know about you. but my theater exploded

because everybody was like oh my gosh they're in the movie together yeah I think everybody got that feeling too yeah basically just to sum it up

real shortly we just we got a teaser for Deadpool too yeah I like go ahead I'm sorry

I think it was I think it was just a little short story of Deadpool so I don't think it was actually seen from the movie even yeah

I think it's something it's just an extra thing that they're out there to promote Deadpool too. And I like how they tag it at the end, Deadpool coming not soon enough. Yeah. Nice. And real quick, there, supposedly there's Easter eggs on who cable's going to be in the trailer. Really?

I guess on the wall, there is one of the walls of the building, there is a poster for the show Firefly. Mm-hmm. Nathan Gillian? Yeah, that is, um, The only reason I kind of entertain that idea is because why would there be a poster outside of a building of Firefly? I don't know. I saw the poster for the Logan movie. Yeah.

And then also there was on the phone booth. Someone wrote Nathaniel Summers is coming. Yes. Oh, yeah. I saw that. Which is, I believe is a cable's real name. Ah, okay. And didn't they spell it C-U-M-M-I-N-G or something like that?

So I don't know if that's Definitely going crude humor In this one it looks like it's going to be pretty fucking funny I don't know if that's I don't know if that's telling on who cable's going to be If that's just kind of like some misdirection or Right But I thought it was it was a very

Interesting thing they did Because it totally fooled me I was just sitting there and I thought the movie started It was good That was a lot of fun. Yeah, I thought when they showed his face without the mascot, I thought, okay, well, he's in the movie. You know, this is like he's even at the very beginning of the local. I didn't think they were going to interact or anything because I thought there's no way they could have kept that under wraps.

But yeah, it tricked me too, for sure. As far as the movie, I mean, there were things about this movie that I really fucking loved. A lot of it had to do with the way they did let him, you know, let him kind of cut loose. and it was definitely a true hard, R-rated superhero movie, which is kind of with the character of Wolverine is almost sort of what you have to have. I had a little bit of a problem that we'll get into in spoilers kind of halfway through the movie. But when I started thinking back about it, I thought, okay, maybe it wasn't quite as bad as I thought it was. And we'll talk about that in the middle because it has to do with some people that they met up with.

Because a lot of this is a kind of a road trip movie, which is kind of cool. I always love road trip movies, and they come across some people. And don't forget to remind me to bring that up in spoilers. There's a question that I had on that. Okay. But yeah, I did like the beginning. I like the fact that, like, you know, nobody was safe. You know, you've got Professor X who's basically got, you know, almost low-grade dementia.

And that's not a big spoiler because they show that really early on. and then they've got that other character. And, you know, the bad asses come out. The only complaint that I would have is I kind of wish the main bad guy had been maybe just a little bit more sinister. Like it was maybe a little more fearful of them or something, which I kind of wasn't. But, yeah, man, I mean, all in all, it delivered big time. You know, this is kind of like the Wolverine movie that we should have gotten from the beginning. Totally agree.

Yeah, it's bittersweet for me. because this is he officially the other day just thanked everybody for supporting him you know he's officially done and it's bittersweet because like you said at lance this is the movie we should have got years ago and we get it when he's not wanting to do the character no more which is really fucked up yeah he wanted to go out on top yeah and he did because i fucking love this movie this was violent. It was funny. I do have a couple minor things, but they are

minor little gripes that we'll get into later. But overall, I enjoyed the story. And the, what was her name? X-23. Laura is. Yeah. Daphne Keene is the actress's name. She did

a phenomenal job. Yeah. And I looked her up. I looked her up. She's from Spain. This is her first movie that she's ever done. She's done a tape. She was on one TV show in Spain before this. Okay, cool.

So they kind of just basically discovered her then. Yeah. And I thought she was great throughout the movie. And she was almost as vicious as Wolverine. And I love that. I'm excited to see her again, man. She was, yeah. That's the thing that I kind of have a gripe about, but we'll get into that

later, but I kind of feel like we just need to go into spoilers. Yeah, because there was some stuff that was, I don't want to say griping about, but I wish maybe had been a little different just for personal reasons. Yeah. Yeah, well, the thing I did really like about this movie was the, like I said, the road trip aspect and the fact that they changed locations a lot. I thought that was cool. Yeah. Great chemistry between Wolverine and the kid. he played grumpy old man perfect

All right You guys are done? Brian you had You had something else to say Didn't you Brian before we go into that Um Actually it could wait for spoilers It's kind of spoilery

Spoilerific Yeah All right Phil What's your number man I'm gonna give it a 9.5 man Holy shit It was a badass movie man I'd say even if you're not a fan of the X-Men at all,

if you're just a casual, you know, action movie person. This was a badass movie. Yeah, because I agree with you, because at times it didn't even really feel like a superhero movie. Yeah, yeah, it had a real story behind it. Yeah, well, Brian, I got a feeling you're probably going to be, you're probably going to be like closer to Philip. I mean, I really, like I said, I really enjoyed the movie.

I don't think there was any, There wasn't really a whole lot of downtime in it where something cool wasn't going on. I love the changes of location. I love the way they let both Wolverine as well as the Laura, you know, kind of bust loose with just fucking basically maiming, killing, and slashing their way through the movie. And I kind of while I was in there, I was sort of like sort of hovering between a 7.5 and an 8. But like I said, there's a part in the middle that really. fucking bothers me. On retrospect, I'm going to give it the benefit

of the doubt, and I think you guys are going to explain to me why I should. But I'm going to go ahead and push it to an 8, which is a super high score, I think. And I mean, hell, there's been some goddamn good movies so far this year between John Wick to this and get out. I mean, we've had three

fucking great movies in a row. This is awesome. Yeah. No kidding. And those are three in a row that I would, in a heartbeat, sit down and watch again, and go pay money to go see it. And we we are getting into the blockbuster movies now coming with this month. Bye by man too. Oh, gosh.

And you know what? Well, you know it didn't take them long to make it. I keep checking the box office reports. I fucking have a feeling they're going to do it. No. I'm sure they are. I'm sure they are. My rating, I'm going to give it a nine.

Cool. This by far. I have to really sit down and think this might be out of the whole X-Men franchise. This might be one of my top, top favorites. Oh, yeah, this is mine. I got my first couple in order already. It's this one and then X-Men 2. You know what?

Oh, you like X-2. Okay. I think that we're kind of close, but I really like first class. I really like that. Oh, that one was good. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, first class was my favorite, just simply because I didn't expect much out of it. Yeah. This was, like I said, violent, funny.

I will get into spoilers, but I really enjoyed Patrick Stewart's performance in this, too. Yeah. All right. Definitely. So let's get into spoilers. I mean, it's safe to say all three of us highly recommend this movie, and all three of us would see it again in a heartbeat. Absolutely. What are you waiting for? Go watch it. Good question. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right. Let me start with spoilers, guys, because I want to get this off my chest. And I think I've kind of thought it through afterwards,

and it's not quite as big of an oversight on our hero's part as I thought it was at first. but when that super nice family that had the horse or the horses that were getting out and then they helped them out and then they offered them to let them come back and have dinner with them, I was thinking, man, why in the fuck with these nut jobs chasing them?

Why are they going to put this this really cool, innocent family in danger like this? And then I got thinking back and I was like, okay, wait a minute. It's kind of forgivable if what I'm thinking here is true. When they left where they were hiding out with Charles Xavier, and they had the other character there who was basically a mutant tracker, Caliban. Yeah.

When they left, they didn't think he was captured. They thought he was actually dead, correct? Yeah, because the main guy, I forgot his name. The head of the head of the Revers, they called him. Yeah, was that? He had said, I left him in the hole that you guys were going to put me in. Okay, yeah, I do remember that line Thinking back, because I was kind of thinking there for a minute

If they knew that Caliban was with the bad guys And they put these people in that danger, that's fucking despicable But, I don't know, maybe they didn't know that So maybe they figured that, you know, they could safely hang out with these guys And have a nice dinner and be like a family And then get back out on the road again But yeah, I mean, that would have really bothered me

If they'd known Caliban was still with those guys but at least we don't have to worry about that. But yeah. I don't even think they even... I don't even think they even realize about the explosion in the truck when he set off the grenades. Okay. So I think they were just kind of clueless to his...

Anything about him after he, you know, the last time they seen him, so... Right. Like, he could have even gotten away, but... Yeah. I don't think that they thought that he was captured. But, you know, that gives it to... That gives a lot to that Wolverine character because I don't think that he really cared. It kind of surprised me when he stood up for the guy, except that he's not going to let somebody get bullied.

Right. But he is definitely looking out for number one and Professor X in this movie. And those are his priorities until other people happen to come into the picture, you know, when the little girl comes in and all that. He eventually grows to love her. but it takes him a while to care about somebody until then if they die he's he's seen a lot of death he can handle that i was going to say i really like the the makeup effects of logan period because he just looked like shit right down to like it was a callback to um the very first x-men

when he was asked about his claws coming out do they hurt and he says every time every time yeah and did you guys notice like yeah did you guys notice like one One of the knuckles had like pus coming out of it. Yeah. Yeah, I think just overall. He definitely wasn't healing. And he had that one big ass wound. I can't even remember which fight it was after.

But like he took his shirt off and he just like this gaping. Oh, it was after he fought that other version of Logan. Oh, yeah. And, uh, gashes across his chest. That was, that was, that was, that was, man. Oh, yeah. It was, it was cut open. And I like the, I like the explanation of why his healing was going away.

that what had made him strong before was poisoning his body now. Yeah, the Adamatium was breaking down. Yeah. That was kind of cool. I like the whole story, dude. It was just, it was really awesome. It kind of pissed me off that Logan was weak, but that was one of the things for personal reasons.

You know, I hate to see him like that. Sure. And, you know, the little girl definitely was more vicious than he was at a couple of points. So I'm excited to see her in future movies. And I hope that they'll make like a new Mutants movie. I assume that's where this is going with Legion and X-23. That was one of my gripes. About the timeline issue?

Yeah. I want more of her in a movie. But this is set in 2029. And I'm very confused because I've heard them say that this. This is kind of its own thing. But it references a lot from the other movies. So I'm like, it's its own thing. But at the same time, it's in the same universe.

And I did see the sword that was in the, where they were staying originally. I seen it on the wall. And I instantly thought of the Wolverine movie. Yeah. So it kind of confuses me. But that's like a main problem with everybody when it comes to X-Men is the continuity. a lot of things not making sense. Yeah, they kind of jumped from time to time to time

because, I mean, if they were really referencing the Wolverine, then didn't he get his claws cut off at the end of that? Yeah. So they were like bone claws now? Yeah, he had, I believe, yeah, he got him cut off or stomped off or something. Spoiler alert for a different movie. So, yeah, I expected him to have bone claws in this one. I was kind of stoked about that.

he didn't. I'm kind of glad he didn't, man. I sort of like the classical Wolverine Adamanium Clause look. And I mean, you can kind of explain that away. You know, I mean, he might have gone under the knife for some more surgery, Philip. You never know. Yeah.

They strapped him back down. But hey, I will say one thing, Brian, you may get, we may get our wish to see her again because one thing if anybody who's seen all the X-Men movies know is they're not strangers. The time travel.

So. Yeah. That's what I was going to say is that, yeah, it's because none of the timelines make any sense anyway, but they could very easily jump her to a different one real quick. Absolutely.

Yeah, I heard, I was listening to another podcast and they said they wanted cable to show up at the end. Because he does time travel, which I kind of felt like I probably would have hated the entire ending if that happened. Really?

Yeah, I don't, it didn't go. Or jackass to save our hero. Yeah, because I really, I really love the ending of this. It kind of, you know, choked me up a little bit. It was sad. Right. Yeah. When she actually referred to him as dad, daddy.

Yeah. He had that moment where, what did he say? He said, oh, I know this is what it feels like. And he kind of had that moment where he knew what happiness was. Mm-hmm. And then even the part with the grave when she came back and picked up the cross and turned it sideways to an X. I really love that part. That was pretty cool.

So if cable would have showed up and was like, come on, we got a time travel to another that I would have been like, fuck this movie. Marty, it's your kids. In the future. We got to go save them. Yeah, that probably got to be really cheesy. I would have said, fuck this movie.

Yes. And for some reason, if Cable did you know Deadpool's like saying, they're popping up saying something crazy and I just would have been the oh my gosh it's just really that's what threw me about the Deadpool thing at the beginning I was like wait he can't be in this

this is supposed to be like serious and no it got me a couple of times just as a dad with a little girl his especially towards the end when he really accepts her and is trying to help her out and ends up giving him

giving his life to save her you know I really like their interactions earlier like their arguments in the when she's punching him in the face super funny telling him to watch his mouth and I thought that was funny

how did you guys feel about the gas station stealing shit how did you guys feel about the X-24 character the younger evil Wolverine yeah I didn't expect

to see him I thought it was definitely a good idea. I'm glad he did get killed off the way that he did, but it seemed almost a little too easy to kill this unkillable creature, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it kind of had that. It reminded me of Terminator 2 a little bit.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kind of. I had the T-1000 coming in. Yeah, I mean, he was definitely a lot more of a badass than that. What was the guy's name, the leader of the Revers Pierce or something like that? a little, basically all he was

was just a fucking hayseed twirp, you know? Yeah, because they weren't. Some fucking white trash guy that pick a fight with you at a honky talk or something. Which that guy is the lead role in the new Predator movie. Oh, shit. Well, maybe he'll do

a completely different character, you know? I thought he did a pretty good job, man, but the whole Reaver thing was you know, it was basically just like a bunch of special forces guys coming in. Yeah, some of them had enhancements. True.

Yeah, and it looked like enhancements because they'd been handling these mutants forever and getting shit cut off. They were basically there for Wolverine and Laura to just slice and dice. But I feel like in any other Wolverine movie,

these like guys would have been laid to waste in a second. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I guess they had to have him kind of weakened in this one for him to stand a chance. Yeah, they had to keep it interesting, right? Yeah, until X23 starts wrecking shop. Man, she was all over them, dudes.

And she had like the spikes coming out of her feet and stuff. That was pretty kick-ass. Yes, yes. And I like the explanation, like Charles gave and why she has that, how females in the animal king. them develop extra, like, security or whatever, defenses as they evolve. They have the big back clause, too, for defense. Yeah, I like that whole explanation.

So was there, did you guys stick around after the credits? Was there a stinger or anything? I didn't realize it was going to be such a long movie, and I had a lot of people in town and stuff like that, so I didn't really stick through. my whole theater stuck around for nothing yeah so basically yeah there's definitely nothing we got our same at the beginning

yeah that should have been the that should have been the opening of our show hey there's nothing at the end of this movie you don't sit through it yeah it was it was it was crazy I had a pack theater and everybody said

there was nothing yeah it was a collective of everybody just going oh We stayed until the actual screen does shut off. Right. Everybody was just, like, disappointed. Yeah, but you would have been even more disappointed if cable had shown up with Deadpool telling jokes, you know?

Oh, my gosh. Come with me and telling her, come with me if you want to live. I'm glad there wasn't anything at the end of this. There were a couple of people in our theater that were, like, mad that they sat an extra three minutes and watched the trip. Yeah, I had actually had one person, like, kind of trying to justify why he should get his money back and I'm like I can

and I can he wasn't sitting too far for me and I could tell he generally enjoyed the movie and because there's no after credit scene you're like I want my money back this is not what I pay for I'm like get out of here chill out yeah

but uh how did you guys like the mutant kids uh they were okay uh I it's gonna be sad if they, if they, I, I'm interested to see how the next X-Men's going to work because, I mean, are these kids going to be a part of it? Are they a part of the whole new mutant family? I don't really know because I'm not familiar with that one. You know what? I, just everything I'm reading,

they don't know what the fuck they're doing at Fox. Oh, no. Well, but they made a damn, they made one damn good movie at least, so. Because what I, I, even though I'm not a Fox executive, this is what I would do. I would scrap everything they have and just build everything around Deadpool, that universe. Yeah. Because after Deadpool 2, we're getting X-Force,

and we're supposed to be getting new mutants. And Cable's one of the main members of X-Force, right? Yes. I would just, I would scrap everything and just rebuild off of that universe. Mm-hmm. Makes sense? Well, you can't own those characters

like you have an X-Men and not use them somewhere, you know? Well, I mean... They'd have to stick them in the Deadpool universe and all that. Yeah, with the X-Force and the New Mutants, that's where I would, I would recast everybody, and I would slowly introduce,

and after you get new mutants, then let's get the new rebutted, um, X-Men movie. Yeah. But it kind of seems, I heard James McAvoy's coming back in the new mutants and,

right. I saw an interview with Sophie Turner that played Gene Gray. As far as she knows, she's going to be in the next one. So I don't know what they're doing. I don't think they know what they're doing. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I mean, I definitely got no problem with McAvoy coming back. He's still really, really young.

And, I mean, there's a lot of storyline he can still represent of Charles Xavier, you know, over the coming years. So I don't have a problem with him or him sticking around at all. Yeah, I don't have a problem with Michael Fastbender coming back. As long as they stop flip-flopping him, his character as a good guy, and then he's a villain, and then he's a good guy. Well, that's that's the comic books, though, you know? I mean, that's constantly happening in the comic books. So at least, as I remember.

But we've gotten it in every movie in the last three movies. Right, that internal struggle. Yeah, just fuck it. Just be bad. for an entire movie, just one movie. That would be refreshing, wouldn't it? Well, you know, the Fox shows have definitely got a different feel to them than the Disney Marvel stuff does.

You know, it's gone a little darker and more R-rated than what Disney I would imagine would be able to deal with. But, man, that Marvel franchise hasn't steered me wrong yet. so I would almost like to see the X-Men go over there. Fox will never do that because... No. They got enough money. Deadpool was a major hit.

And it from the box office, this, Logan surpassed what they thought they was going to make opening weekend. Yeah, and it was kick-ass. But now where do you leave it, you know? Like, I mean, I know you said they got new mutants on the, on the docket and X-Force coming out. out. And I mean, they're doing their

Legion TV shows, so. Yeah, they're going to have to re-cast Wolverine. They're going to have to recast Wolverine. Definitely. It's just, who do you cast? I don't know. That'll be interesting. Because the only person I've heard that makes sense is Tom Hardy.

Yeah, and even he's not quite as young as, you know, you would hope someone would be if he's going to play Wolverine for like the next 20 or 30 years, right? But then I, I, I picture like a mumbly Wolverine. Like, you don't know what he's saying most of the time. Yeah.

Because it seems like I really love Tom Hardy as an actor, but sometimes when he does kind of like an American accent, it's kind of mumbly and you don't know what he's saying most of the time. Not the best always, huh? But I think he, I think as the actual performance and the look, I think he would kill it as Wolverine. Yeah. Well, as soon as she said, Tom Hart, I was like, you know what? That's, that may be the one dude I can get behind doing this. I mean, because he's, he can, he can, once he gets all buffed out, Bain style, you know, he can't talk like that.

Right. I'm no. He's, he's also, he's, he's also the right height. Right. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He's kind of a shorty. Yeah, because that was a big gripe with a lot of people that, you know, Hugh Jackman's like 6-2. Right.

Yeah. I heard, I read a thing where they had the mobile. the movie posters and everybody else was on like stilts and shit. Right. Yeah, Wolverine's like kind of a short squat package, you know? Yeah, he's just be like 5'3 or something. But yeah, I think Tom Hardy could kill it, man. He'd be a grizzled tough guy.

I mean, because you've got to have a dude in there that's super tough guy, you know? All right. Well, I mean, that might be something for us to think about and come back and speculate maybe in an early. early section of next week's show or something. Okay. You guys want to think about that a little bit? Like pick maybe like, we could each pick like three actors that are up and coming that we think might be good for the role. That'd be fine.

Yeah. All right. Okay. Homework. Homework. I like it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Another thing. One more thing I wanted to say about the movie, I really liked. It was set in 2029, but I like how they didn't just completely futureize the world. world. Right. You just got little things here and there, like the self-driving trucks that were on the highway and stuff like that. Right.

Because usually when you see movies and it's like 10, 20 years in the future, it's like a completely different world. Yeah, like flying cars and Johnny Cab and all that stuff. Yeah. So I just wanted to throw that in there. I really like how they didn't just like, you know, everything was, you know, technology just took over. So I really enjoyed that part too.

Yeah, it was a good mix, I thought for sure. Pretty well done for the quote unquote not too distant future. Philip, any parting words, man? Go see this movie, man. It's the best that Hugh Jackman has done. And it's the last one that he's going to do is Wolverine. So it's definitely going to be a classic. All right.

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