The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #406: Our Look Into Exploitation Films - Giallo: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (1970) & Don't Torture A Duckling (1972)

Episode Date: March 9, 2024

This week we are joined by Don Anelli, the Godfather of Horror Podcasting, to talk about Giallo films. Cool of the week includes St Patrick's Day the Slaugh Awakens, Spaceman, Ted, and Stopmotion. Trailers are I Saw the TV Glow, The Watchers, and The Strangers: Chapter 1. The podcast spotlight shines on Scream Sisters. And we get feedback from Jessa Daisy, Mike Batchelor, Simone Baldini, Ruben Caballero, Jared Whitty, David Downs, and 80's Movie Podcast. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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Welcome back, everyone, to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance. You got Brian here. We got Philip here. And who is that? Is that Don and Ellie? The godfather of all fucking horror podcasting out there. I'll lay down my sword for you, sir.

What are we to do here tonight, Don? Well, thank you guys for having me on. I heard we were taking a trip to my homeland. And I figured you guys needed a certain dawn to guide you guys through and give you guys a little bit of protection. On this day of your daughter's wedding. We'll talk about that later. But yeah, I heard you guys were doing Italian horror. So, I mean, if you guys know me and my last name, you know that that's a particular genre of interest of mine.

So I figured I'd help you guys out and, you know. joining wanted me to uh join in i'd love to help people guys out we definitely appreciate it man so what's what's up with you dude besides promoting every single podcast out there day after day after day oh well right now as we're speaking i'm in the middle of uh women in horror month so uh that's always a lot of fun um got some great interviews in a lot of uh yeah i'll be kind and i'll say some generous female directed horror movies but I'm more concerned

about the interview so I'm always glad to have the chance to give you know spotlights and shoutouts to all of the hardworking from you know actors, writers, directors authors, special effects artists, you name

it. So I've got a bunch of them lined up and more to come. So hopefully I've got enough for the whole month. I haven't calculated that So kind of a stupid move on my part. But I had at least 80 show interests. So I figured it was enough to get started at least. Yeah, doing that, doing my usual podcasting work, doing my usual writing,

and trying to find enough time to shit and sleep in between all that. Outstanding. Love to hear it, man. You're into exploitation big time, right? Exploitation films. I can stand it. I'm not going to, you know, seek it out, but if you show it my way, I'm not going to turn a blind eye to it. So does this, Gialo, does this qualify? Would this be considered in exploitation genre? There's a few that I would very easily label. There's, you know, throw out a couple titles.

Strip nude for your killer, which will be for obvious reasons. Okay. there's other entries like the sister of Ursula or Giala in Venice those very very very heavily fall into the exploitation realm I mean

you know the the genre's openness with nudity proclivity for violence and just general seediness you could very easily make a case that a lot of the other ones are in there but I mean those would probably be the big three.

If you want to add a, you know, Holy Grail of Mount Rushmore of, you know, sleazy Gialos, you know, throw New York Ripper in there just to, you know, give you guys a for some. But, yeah, there's very easily claims that you can throw Gialo in here. Some of the tamer stuff may, you may not, you know, have as much of a case. But I think if you just lumped them in with some of the feedier genre entries, It's not very hard to, you know, see that they fall in line. Very nice.

All right. Well, that big brain on Don is why we invited you here, man. So definitely appreciate you showing up. And no rock and roll horror this week. Yeah. We're probably going to be looking at a little bit more classier and well-made productions. I'm pretty sure of that. All right.

I'll definitely throw the well-made part in there. That's definitely a given. All right, man. Well, let's kick it into high gear here, man. We start out with Cool of the Week. What is your cool of the week done out of the dozens of movies for sure you've seen this week? Man, that's a loaded question. Man, this has been real shit this year.

Uh-oh. Yeah, I haven't seen much of anything that's been good. I mean, I've got... I legitimately, and I can say this right now, I've got a film that I rated three out of ten on my top ten of the year. Nice. Night swim?

Yeah. I'm going to catch shit for that. No, no, no, no. Night swim's terrible. Yeah, that's still in my top ten of the year. I'll say this. This is probably one of the oddest films that I found out this year.

but one it's kind of topical and it's one that I actually just saw a few days ago so I'll give a shout out for it I normally am really good with pronunciations but bear with me on this one this is a tongue twister for me it's called St. Patrick's Day the Sluga awakens

and I I realize that don't blame me they say the things name in the film once or twice and I cannot for the life of me figure it out. It's spelled S-L-U-A-G-H. And for whatever reason, my tongue just does not want to make those syllables work.

So I don't, I apologize. I don't know what it is, but, you know, as the title sounds, it's a St. Patrick's Day horror movie. So it's a couple of friends there deciding to go on spring break and they're going to go hiking in the mountains just as a fun little retreat. And they come across a small town where there's this legend of this beast known as, well, you've heard it in the title. Not going to try that one again.

Leave it at that. Okay. It's the thing in the title. They hear stories about it being there. It's this beast and Irish folklore that supposedly followed the settlers over here and has been rumored to be in the area ever since. and they come across this guy who lives there that his wife was killed by the creature several years earlier

and he's determined to one prove its existence and track it and kill it. So eventually they team up, they realize that the creature's there and traditional genre activities ensues. It's an indie film, so bear that in mind. It looks real cheap, it looks kind of real flimsy, around the edges, but I had fun with it. I was kind of surprised with it. The story, you know, it works for what it is. There's, you know, a little bit of a buildup to, you know, with the first half,

but when you get all the, you know, creature action in there, it's actually a little bit of fun. There's, you know, a little twist in the second act that kind of takes the film off in a different direction. I'm not going to give too many spoilers, but yeah, it's one of those that I had more fun with it than I thought I would be. And, you know, it's not great my any means, but, you know, it's topical and it didn't piss me off. So I'm probably going to say that's the, you know, one of the more surprising films of the year. But yeah, like I said, if you're into like modern, you know, indie films like the crowdfunding, crowd funder stuff, then, you know, give it a shot. You know, if you also like, you know, holiday themed St. Patrick's Day Horror. You know, it's topical for the holidays, but yeah, it's, you know, one of the better films I've seen this year, and that's not really saying much. Gosh. Yeah. Yeah, and we're not even at the part of the year that is going to have been impacted by the strike, so that's what worries me.

More to come, huh? I hope so. I hope this year gets better because we're – I've made this joke on several other shows. I literally joked about turning fresh cuts into fresh to us. Why not? Yeah, but yeah, I guess that's kind of, I'll leave it at that just because, like I said, it's topical and it's one that didn't piss me off. That's two pluses right there.

I think I'm looking at the poster here. Tagline is blood red is the new green. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, the demon thing, that's actually what the creature looks like, the thing on the cover. Okay. I'm intrigued. It does look interesting. Yeah, like I said, if you're looking at the cover, that's what the creature looks like, the thing in the title, I'm not going to bother pronouncing.

If you're into modern indie films, it's watchable. I've seen much worse But yeah I mean you know topical and You know it does get pretty good in the second act You know there's a couple little twists and turns in there That kind of make it a little interesting So if you're into it you know

Especially for St. Patrick's State Give it a shot Well I'll jump in I didn't watch a whole lot But I did check out the new Adam Sandler movie Space Man Yeah check that out too Yeah, I would bet.

I liked it. Yeah. It wasn't the greatest thing I've ever seen, and I definitely not the best Adam Sandler movie, but I really love Adam Sandler. And I think he pulled it off in this one, and it was worth watching. Adam Sandler and Aliens, man. How can you go wrong? It was more of a dramatic movie than... Yeah.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, because you, they, I'm not going to spoil anything, but basically the, it's not just him being out in space so long, so far. He's got, like, issues that he was dealing with from back home that are kind of affecting him also. So that plays a big part of it. Yeah, it was a lot more introspective than you would expect from this kind of movie. But it worked, I think. Yeah.

Not too bad. I was, that was my pretty good at the week. How about that? I'll check one of those out tonight. I haven't decided which one yet. Brian, did you make it to, make it to Dune too, Brian? No, I've been busy the entire week. I'm going to try to get to it this week. I've been hearing great things about it. I wish they hadn't spoiled the surprise casting. I don't know why they came out with the week before. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, I'm not going to say in case anybody haven't heard. I was going to say, I don't know what you're talking about, but I kind of don't want to ask at this point. Nah, just go watch it. Yeah, it would have been nice to see that person not knowing they were in the cast. Yeah. Right. Makes sense. But I also checked out space, man.

I enjoyed it. I agree with Phil. It's not the best of the Adam Sandlin dramatic roles, but it's definitely one of the moments where. He's much more than just cheesy, dumb comedies where he's just getting his friend's paychecks and vacations. Like when he really wants to put in the acting work, he can do it. Like, it's not as good as that basketball movie he did, but... No. Okay.

It's not bad. So, so Brian was, was Salma Hayek waiting for him back home, waiting for him to come back home again? it wasn't like that type of movie he didn't have like the not to say anything about Adam Sandler but he always in his comedy seems to cast like somebody that you could never see yeah as his wife yeah like there's no fucking way you got her dude it was like Salma Hyk and a couple movies and another one he had like Kate Beckinsale Yeah, that's right. And then the chick, like, it was, he was, like, tossing up girls between, like, Jennifer

Aniston. Oh, that's right. Brooklyn Decker. And, yeah. Oh, Jesus. One of them. I was like, damn. Why not?

You're not getting either one of those. How about that? So after Don't Torture a Duckling, I needed to watch something a little bit more lighthearted. So I've been All seven episodes Of the TED series Oh nice All right cool

I if you if you enjoy the movies Then I think you'll enjoy the show I enjoyed the show I didn't know how I was going to take Because I just couldn't see this was supposed to be Young Mark Wahlberg The kid they got they cast But he grew on me

And the comedy's there I like the family dynamic Because his family family's like super involved in the show it's just not young mark walberg or johnny who's his character in the show you get a lot of the the mom and dad and he's got an older cousin that is renting a room there and going to college and she's like the politically correct one and the dad is the complete opposite so you get a lot of comedy there and very very heavy on the the boston accents all bad Thunder buddies do they get into that Brian the Thunder buddies

yes they do they have to you see the origins of it shit might check that out then fuck anything else seven it's only seven episodes and I think they're like 30 40 minutes long maybe so it's like a quick watch I think once you like get into the first episode

you'll just probably end up binge in it. That's it for me. Ted and Space Man. That's two good ones, man. I'm going to save Dune 2 for later because I'm not going to take the low-hanging fruit. But that's one good thing about the theater across the street. They show a lot of the, you know,

the big releases like that, but they show a lot of indie stuff too. So I got to throw some love to stop motion. Brian, you had us watch this trailer? Yeah, I remember. It's pretty fucked up. It's pretty fucking. It's out there.

And you can't really tell like what characters in the movie you're real and which one's, she's just seen, you know, because she's obviously going crazy through the whole thing. But there's one character in particular that kind of reminded me of the little Art the clown girl from part two of, oh, shit. Territory too. kill me. Thank you. So you've got a character showing up that I can't tell up that's like she's got a real domineering mother that's into stop motion animation and she's kind of like taking over the business because her mom's got problems with moving things with her hands and stuff now.

So I don't know. I think the little girl was was her mom at a younger age. I'll let you guys tell me after you've seen it. But lots of great practical effects, lots of body horror. And what's not to love? A movie that's called Stop Motion that about one-fourth of the movie takes place in stop motion. So go out and see it. Check it out.

Support your little indie filmmakers. It's pretty cool. It's a trip. Nice. All right, Brian. News. All right. Start with the one TV news thing I found.

Probably going to butcher his, I can't ever pronounce his last name. David Dalsmalsh Malchin. Pocodon Man, Suicide Squad. We all love it. We all love it. Oh, yeah, that guy. Yeah, him and Alexander Scarsgar. I can say that name.

They joined the cast of Apple TV's new sci-fi series Murder Bot. As promised. Yeah. Let's see. Movie News, Dakota Fanning, set the star in Brian Bertino's Vicious. Brian Bertino is known for The Strangers. I believe he's directing and writing. this one.

Kiana, Madeira, and Jessica Roth will star Mike P. Nelson's creature featured Titan. Anne Hathaway and Ewan McGregor will star in David Robert Mitchell, the director of It Follows

New Mystery Dinosaur movie. What? Mystery dinosaur movie? That's a first done, isn't it? All right. I'm intrigued Let's see Jonathan Lebesman

is going to be directing a movie called Wolf Night and it's being described as District Nine by the way of the purge but with werewolves Wow And lastly even though they haven't Revealed any

casting for this movie They said they're going to start filming 28 years later reportedly in May. Seems like it's taken 28 years. Kind of the thing, I guess. And that's it. Slow Newsweek.

Slow Newsweek. All right. Don, where do you live, man? I'm close to Los Angeles and San Diego. I'm like just about halfway in between. Okay. Y'all've got some white trash out there, right? Yeah.

Okay. So you'll be comfortable with us because Don Brian is about to take us on the little trip down to the trailer park. We're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Kick us off, Brian. Help us out, man. We're going to start with the weird new A-24 movie. I saw the TV glow. Okay. Two teenagers bond over their love for a supernatural TV show. but it is mysteriously canceled. I hate it when that happens.

That is the plot of the movie. Directed by Jane. I'm going to apologize. I can't pronounce your last name. And you've commented on when I post this movie, showing Brun. She's the writer and director of, we're all going to the World's Fair.

Okay. All right. That's going to be interesting. Well, that shut my interest down a lot. I don't This star is just I can't help it I didn't care for that movie

I thought it was repetitive I loved it or hate me I got I got bored within Yeah It's a great It's a great concept But man that thing is just repetitive Yeah

I don't think I ever actually finished it It had moments in there Yeah That I thought were generally creepy But it was just moments Yeah that's how I fell too. Let's see. This stars Justice Smith, Bridget Lundy Payne, Ian Foreman, Helena, Howard, and others. Don, we're going to start with you. It's okay. I mean, it's not really giving off like truly horror vibes. It's giving me horror-adjacent vibes.

Yeah. I mean, the concept isn't really grabbing me. I think it's one of those where it's probably going to gradually become horror over time. Images look fine, but I'm really not feeling a lot of genuine genre from it. It's probably one of those where this is probably like the closest genre falls into. Like, you know, A24 usually does where it's uncategorizable, but this is like the closest thing that it falls into. Yeah. I mean, it's a new movie to watch. We're probably going to end up covering it on fresh cuts, so, I mean, I guess, but not a high priority.

And I'm not really a big fan of A24 anyway, so we'll see. But I don't have my hopes for it. So? Ooh. Usually, if it's an A-24 movie, it's at least, I think, going to be. decent-ish. I sort of feel the same way about like the AFC Midnight stuff,

or IFC midnight. Where it's like, you know what, if they put it out, it's at least probably worth a watch. But yeah, it doesn't give off a whole lot of horror vibes. I'm not entirely sure what's going on. But they're real good about like not giving it away in the preview. So I will say that.

That may not be a terrible thing. I will say that they are one of the best in not being able to figure out what type of film it is. Fair enough. They do a good job with, you know, not giving you like the, you know, it's not the movie in two minutes. It's, you know, they usually do a good job of trying to get you interested. I will give them that. So, I mean, it may, it may very well suck, but it's got at least a shot at being decent. Lance.

Now this trailer really grabbed me I'm excited about this one This looks like Something that we've never really seen before And so just for that alone I'm willing to give it a shot But the visuals to me Look looked really stunning

And yeah a lot of the I've noticed Recognized a lot of the young actors And you know it's people that have always Enjoyed and other things they've been in So I'm looking forward to this one Yeah I'm gonna watch it but it's not high on my list I did like the visuals, but I just got the feeling I'm going to have the same feeling as when I watched her first movie.

We're all going to the World's Fair. Let's hope not. It's going to be moments in there that interest me, but most of the time I'm going to be checked out. Yeah, that one was like very evidently looked, like low budget. This one at least looks like it's an actual movie. Yeah, got a little support behind it, right? Yeah. This one is due in theaters May 3rd.

Moving on to the second trailer. This is from M. Knight-Shallamalan's daughter E. Shana Knight-Sharmalong, and that is The Watchers. Lance, you can put this book on your book list based on The Watchers by A.M. Shine. Okay, adding it right now. Let's see 28 year old artist Mina gets stranded in an expansive untouched forest in western Ireland.

Upon finding shelter, she unknowingly becomes trapped alongside three strangers who are watched and stalked by mysterious creatures at night. The star is Dakota Fanning, Georgina Campbell, Oliver Finnegan, and Olin Foray.

I think I pronounced her name wrong. But it's going to be a lot of that tonight. it's okay it's all right Lance we'll start with you no this yeah this looks interesting too I mean you get two

two trailers so far two positive reactions for me so I'm excited about this one looks very interesting Bill uh yeah Dakota fanning is one of those where

um like when she first came out I was like okay well this girl is special and so just the fact that She's in it alone makes it worth a watch for me because she's a really talented actress. So hopefully it's good.

We'll see. I'm on board. This sounds great. Concept is intriguing. I love the locations. The setup is right up my alley. And I actually don't mind the cast. I think it's a pretty fun look.

You know, let's see what the daughter has. I mean, she can't be any worse than her dad at his worst. Ouch. True. I said, at his worst. I never said he's a bad filmmaker. I just said, at his worst, she can't be any worse. Okay, fair enough.

Yeah, she's directed a couple. I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, she did a couple episodes of Servant, which were kind of a couple of standout episodes. So I've got high hopes. I know she's a singer, too. She's done a lot of music for Servant. some other thing. That's his other daughter. Oh, in that

case, rewind everything I just said. Is this not the one that directed a couple of his episodes of Servant? It is. I didn't even know he had daughters, but I guess he has one daughter that's a director and another daughter that's a singer. Oh.

Keep the money truck back enough, right, Philip? There you go. I think the term is nepotism. We'll carry on. But yeah, I'm with Don. I like the concept. I'm very interested to see what the creatures look like. Why are they trapped in this forest?

Were they selected to be trapped in this forest? How long has this been going on? Just a lot of questions I have about the story. Yeah, there's a lot about this that I like. It's the right kind of mystery. I can really get into this one. I'm right there with you. I think this is probably not to spoil anything.

I think this is my favorite of the three. Nice. This one got a little bit of delay. I don't know if that was shown in the trailer, but it only got delayed a week, so it's now the new date is June 14th. Okay. And our final trailer,

The Strangers Chapter 1, the first of three already filmed movies, all due out possibly this year. See, synopsis. Maya drives across the country with her long-time boyfriend Ryan as the pair begin a new life together in the Pacific Northwest Along the way the car breaks down in Venus Oregon and they are forced to spend a night in a isolated air B&B home Through the night they are terrorized by three murderous mass strangers now this is directed by Rennie Harlan

He's done like a Nightmare on Elm Street 4 Die Hard 2, Cliffhanger. Deep Blue C, come on. Where's his masterpiece? Sorry. Let's see. Short, hate me. What was that done?

I thought you were kicking it to me. Sorry. I was about to. Go ahead. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. I don't actually like the first strangers all that much. I'm not a huge home invasion fan, so it didn't really work for me all that well.

But I did like the second one, not, you know, it's like a classic or anything, but I did like it. Hey, my opinion, knock it off. You'll have your turn. I liked it, but I'm not like, you know, Gaga over it. So, I mean, it can't be any worse. Concept is okay. looks like the killers look a little bit more intimidating. I hope to God we don't go with one of those

because you were home kind of motivations. I understand that's terrifying and it's more realistic, but it just doesn't work for me. I need genuine motivations. That was one of the reasons why I didn't really like the original that much. So hopefully we get that, but

it can't suck. It can't be worse than the original. It sounds okay. And, you know, if this is a genuinely planned trilogy, you know, it can't be, you know, like the Exorcist trilogy where they've committed to it. And we saw what happened with the first part. Yeah. They fully committed to this one if they've already filmed all three. That's what I'm saying.

If they've already filmed all three and it was planned from the very beginning, that could potentially switch. weigh me a little bit towards it, but coming me intrigued. I'm, you know, in the middle. There's some reservations about it, but it's, again, it's a new movie to watch. So medium to bordering on positive interest for me,

for me. So is it, this is a trilogy movie series and it's not a TV series? Yeah, it's a movie series. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm sure it'll make money at the very least. But, yeah, I have a little bit of the same thing going, like Home Invasion movies are not my favorite.

Because I wish some crazy motherfuckers with knives try to break into my house. That's going to be a quick movie, I'll tell you that. But, yeah, it looks all right. Yeah, I'm into it. I agree with Don also, again. The favorite one's not my, or the first one's not my favorite. I'm more of a Strangest Pray at Night fan, the second one.

I thought it was just a fun movie, and it got outside of the first one was all confined into one house, and the second one was the entire trailer part. So I thought it was more fun. And Rennie Harlan, he makes fun movies. and I think he's I think he may have directed all three movies so sounds like they had a plan for the trilogy

unlike the Exorcist trilogy where they were just going to go do the Star Wars thing and just go by movie by movie instead of just having a complete storyline planned out so but how part can you go with this storyline so far they've all

kind of been the same thing we're just going to have to see because I'm putting it on the schedule all right fair enough Lance how much did you hate this trailer are we really going to this trash again this is like one of the worst fucking movie series ever and you got Rennie Harlan how big of a fucking money truck did they back up for this

asshole to direct all three fucking movies and film all together give me a goddamn brain and of course you're putting on the fucking schedule we are making a list of directors that will never ever be on this show this is this is gonna be hot garbage I can tell you right now it's gonna be horrible start to finish

all these movies suck I don't want to be fair to be fair to be fair do we know that he actually did direct all three or is he just responsible for the first one that was just my opinion that he might have directed that's what I'm saying I mean I

haven't heard anything about him actually doing all three so that could just be, you know, they're having three different directors, or maybe he'll do the first one, and then they'll take somebody and they'll do two and three. Yeah, it's very hush, hush on these movies. The only thing, it, the only thing that's been said is the Sardon. I was going to say, I can understand Lance's trepidation if he does direct all three, if your feelings for him are that strong.

But if we don't know for a fact that he's actually done all three, then I think that could be a little overblown. I can understand the reaction for part one, but I don't think it's fair to write off all three just if we don't know for fact. I think they should make, like, the first two movies, like really intense, like home invasion things, and then, like, the third one,

he breaks into the wrong house and gets shot, and that's the end of it. I think that would be great. I'll tell you one thing, this movie will, If this and I saw the TV glow came out on the same day, you guys already know which one's getting my money. And we know which ones Lance giving his money to. I guess Lance ain't with us anymore.

So we'll move on. This one is doing theaters May 17th. Matter of fact, is that close to the... A couple weeks after I saw the TV glow, so... All right. Well, hell. We'll jump on it. Why not?

All right. We'll move on Tuesday. That was the last trailer, right? Yeah. And I'm just going to say, I got to talk shit because Lance is not on the mic right now. If we, if we wasn't going to do it, he'd bring up, why aren't we doing the new horror movie this week? Probably. Yeah, fair enough.

You know me too well, Brian. Yes, I do. All right. We'll move on to a little bit of listener feedback. This week we shine the podcast spotlight on Scream Sister, a podcast diving into scary slash crime movies and books hosted by two Latina sisters fighting every natural urge they have towards introverted hermit crab mode.

I don't know what that means, but that sounds awesome. Regarding the announcement, we're happy to announce that Jessa Daisy, Jessa Flux, as a cast member in Death Woods. She has started in films such as murder size and slumber party. Slumber party slaughter two. Mike Bachelor says that's To Be Tuesday Award winner, Jessaflux.

And Colin Kirsten says yes. Yes, it is. Regarding the original Freddie, Simone Baldini says, that glove is wonderful. still not as good as with the third one fucking Dream Warriors yeah

which one was this for the original Freddie the original Freddie yeah good design though I think we had a comment about someone saying they were talking about New Nightmare was the best out of the franchise

and what it's near the bottom for me to be honest regarding 28 years later, Ruben Caliero says, I don't know, the whole zombie apocalypse is still played out now. Twenty-eight years

later, and all of these corpses should have been rotted to nothing. The science behind it. Skeletons, huh? That is a good point. But they're not zombies. Another good point.

That's probably what makes them last for 28 years. They're not zombies. Oh, I guess so. Just some weird. disease. Although I guess if your brain rots for 28 years, it's probably not going to go well either.

Regarding the Crystal Lake, Texas show, Jared Whitty says, you can't do a prequel to the series. Jason was a little kid and not a killer, and his mom wasn't a killer until her son died. This is going to be in Texas? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

It says Crystal Lake Oh, it's probably TX show and not TX show. Oh, okay. That would be really interesting. And so one of the people that commented is just a concept poster.

Okay. It's not an actual poster. He got kind of bent out of shape. That is called it a fake poster. And the show was supposed to come out years ago. And I was like, it was just announced last year. It's calm down. Yeah, somebody's getting out of control.

there. Could be cool. I mean, obviously his mom was a psychopath, and I imagine from the day that didn't bode well for him as a child, but we'll see. Now, okay, good, good. Let me ask a question here. Don, are you a fan of the Friday 13 franchise? Yeah. Okay. Lance is not. Yeah. So that's kind of my answer. But Lance is a fan of 824, and it sounds like you're not. That's who's involved in this franchise. Where do you guys see this series going? I don't watch TV series. I don't watch genre TV series, so.

Oh, no, nothing at all. I don't have the time. I've got too many movies to watch. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. It's too much TV now. Yeah. Some of the stuff I've thought about getting into,

but everybody seems to they like it because they're a fanboy not because it's a genuinely good stuff like it's genuinely good like everybody I know of it they seem to like it just because well okay you know you've got this actor you've got this studio you've got this

platform you've got you know so and so involved and it's not like you know everybody says it's a good show because it's a good show it's a good show because this person's involved this isn't you know they like it because they're a fan boy not because it's a genuinely good show. And so it's kind of hard for me to figure out

which one's worth investing in. So I just don't bother and stick with movies. Okay. I would say, Don, if you're going to check one out, I would say go with your fellow Don and watch Chuckie. Because Don Mancini's done a lot of great. Admittedly, fan boy twists, okay? But it's a very well-done show.

Cool. All right, yeah. That was when I was looking at. I also wanted to try out the Flanagan stuff on Netflix. Those are probably like the two that, yeah, those are like the two I'd probably want to give a shot out to. Fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, like those are the ones, the two that I'm the most intrigued at. Like I said, I'm much more of a movie guy. So I probably will want to get to them sooner rather than later. but it's not one of those where I'm in a rush to get to me.

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a future bonus show. So, appreciate that, guys. Real quick, Phil. Yeah. What game is your daughter playing? Fucking gorilla tag. She's really into it. Yeah.

She is so stuck on guerrilla tag. I can't, I, I, I don't, I can't get it. Okay. I just want to know, I just see her in the background just all over the place. Yeah. She's, she's tried to show me a few times. It's harder than it looks. I tried it and I almost do it, Brian.

Yeah. So much, so much movement, like, VR movement is like, I, had to take the headset off. Yeah. There's a field and that'll do that. All right, on to featured attractions. This week we go into the world of exploitation again with Gialo films. The Bird with the Crystal Plumage and Don't Torture a Duckling.

And Don't Fuck with Cats. We'll start with the Bird with the Crystal Plumage. I want to know everything you saw and heard. She's my wife. In 1970. An American expatriate in Rome attempts to unmask a serial killer. Was he?

But was he? Because he kept trying to get home the whole time. Yeah, that's true. I don't know why they let him be such an integral part of this investigation. What is he supposed to be? I thought he was a writer. He's a raider.

Oh, okay. An American expatriate is what they... Anyway, witnessed in the act of an attempted murder and is now hunting him and his girlfriend. Director is Dario Argento, also known for Deep Red and Susperia. Writers are Dario Argento and Frederick Brown.

It has been alleged that Tony Musante, known for his intensity and preparedness as an actor, would frequently show up at Dario Argento's apartment at 3 a.m. to discuss characterization, much to Dario Argentos completely high on cocaine yeah dude is 3 o'clock in the morning

go the fuck home he was great in that one TV she guys ever see Oz oh yeah it's been a while it's been a while it's been a while like a mafia Don that was in prison oh speaking of Oz there's another cool of the week I finally watch

shot caller ah Oh, with a... With Jamie Lannister. Sister fucker. Yeah. Jamie Lannister, sister fucker. I forgot his name for a second. Pretty good movie.

I'm not sure I really got it, but... But it was a fun movie to watch. Yeah, it was cool to see his transformation from where he... How he came into where he ended up. Yeah, I guess he just kind of got caught up in it and stuck. I guess. I don't know. It was like, what is your motivation here? Shouldn't you have just, like, you know, done your time and got the fuck out?

I think it was the choices he made in there kind of. One bad choice kind of steered his life this way. Yeah. But, yeah, so the bird with the crystal plumage. Don, what did you think about this one? Well, first of all, I just want to give out a quick little correction. Frederick Brown is not a co-writer of the film. He's the writer of a film called The Screaming NeNe,

which is a film that Dario unofficially adapted for the film. Oh. So, yeah, it's been alleged that Argeno used the book as a framework for the film. It's very, very similar. And so he didn't technically write it, but he's the writer of the book that the film is unofficially based. on. No kidding.

That's why you're here, Don, to correct us. So they gave him a little credit, but he didn't actually do it. Sort of. Right, yeah. That was one of the compensations. Yeah, this is one of my all-time favorites. It's probably, I would say, our gentle's weakest masterpiece. I put it just behind deep red, Susparia, and Tenebrae.

Those are my top three, my Holy Grail. and this one's just a notch below. I think the mystery in this one is just absolutely splendid. Everything in here is just, it just connects together so wonderfully for me. I love it. The twist is just absolutely spot on. I love what it does. The stalking scenes are brutal.

Yeah, yeah, this is just a really, really, really fun time. I actually really don't even think that there's much of anything wrong here. I mean, you know, the American dub is probably, I would say, like, the biggest step here because everything just sounds like shit. I mean, the voice that they give to the one artist, the one that he visits and that he has to climb up the ladder to visit. I mean, the dub to that thing is just hysterical. That guy's hair was amazing. It was, but his voice sounds like God awful. but yeah

it's one of our Geno's best I still think it's one of the best debuts ever in the history of the genre it sets the template for the genre going forward you realize that the genre beforehand

wasn't really GEL's before Bird with the Crystal Plumage weren't murder mysteries like what this one is and I mean you know we can talk about that later but the fact that every film afterwards pretty much copy this one, not just in

presentation, but every other film afterwards tends to have either a color, an animal, or there's like three things. There's like a color, an animal, or some kind of like action involved. And they all come from

you know, they all come from this one just to showcase like how popular and how, you know, groundbreaking it was. It's hard for me to say anything bad about it because, I mean, there's not a whole lot here that's really bad. So, yeah,

classic film. One of my all-time favorites, absolutely love it. When did the black leather gloves become a thing? It started with blood and black lace from Mario Baba. That's the first one

that ever used it, but that was just coincidence. There was never really anything planned. It was just one of those where there's a scene where they showcase the killer. He's trying to grab a disguise, and he grabs black gloves because that's the only thing around. No kidding. Yeah. So it wasn't anything that was really planned.

It was just coincidence. Bava said that it was, you know, the actor just brought in gloves one day because they needed a scene where the killer was supposed to grab a guy's real quickly and so it was just supposed to be something that was laying around the set that the guy could grab on to you know conceal his fingerprints and so he had him bring in you know his own gloves to you know save money on you know having to shop around for it and so he just happened to bring um black leather gloves one day and that's what they used it was just a complete coincidence the the i i struggle to say costume but it's kind of appropriate it's the only term that really fits. The black fedora, the white mask, the black trench coat,

the black gloves. It starts here, but it doesn't really become official until all of the rip-offs start doing the same thing because it's one of those where, because they're attempting to copy it, everybody's doing the same thing. So it's not really one where everybody agrees and says, okay, let's just do it. It's just, well, they did it. That's what they did to make their phone popular let's do that so it wasn't until like a lot of the rip-offs and um you know the the follow-ups came out that they started doing the same thing that that's kind of where it'd be where it started from but it was just one of those where it initially started in blood and black lace and then it just kind of carried on because everybody was just okay you know bird with crystal plum is just popular

and it made a lot of money let's just rip that off and try to make some money ourselves and because Argeno did it as well. I don't remember if I ever heard the reason why he did it. Like I said, I know Baba did it because he said, okay, we need a scene where the killer grabs a pair of gloves to hide his identity, you know, bring something from homes. And we can, you know, it'll just be one little quick scene where you're like, you see it like the killer putting the gloves on so we know that that's what he's, you know, we know it's him. And it was just one where he happened to bring black gloves that day. So that's kind of where it started with that one. But Yeah, I don't recall why Argenal chose the black, but it was just one of those where he did it, so everybody just started copying him, and it just sort of carried on.

It just became part of the genre as a cliche going forward. Until OJ. Yeah. But I will say that Argeno did do it again afterwards in Giello, so it's not like OJ kind of stopped it, but for another day. those weren't his Did you see how they fit on his hands? Oh, I know, right? He must to quit.

They got all shrunken after they got soaked in blood. That happens, I guess. All right. Brian, what did you think about this one? I have not seen many jolos. It's kind of a blind spot in my horror movie watching and

I have to say every time I see one I'm becoming more more of a fan of this genre I love this movie I thought it was fun I love the twist the main character I just love the whole storyline

he had nothing to do with the murder but they're going to take his passport and he's just like fuck it I'm going to do your job for you I'm going to do the investigating True. Suddenly he becomes the lead investigator on the fucking scene. None shit.

Like, damn, they really trust this guy. Yeah. All the stocking scenes were just giving me just creepy feels just the way they were filmed. And everything just worked. Everything just kind of just made me feel. I think the way the movie made me want to feel with the one scene where the killer is like, Right before he stabs the one girl like he's addressing her with the knife. And it just made you feel just kind of just gross.

And then like I said, the twist at the end. Prime thriller. Yeah. Yeah. I can talk about that in a few minutes. That's an excellent observation film. Okay. That sort of seems to be what a lot of these do is this, you know, crime drama thing, which is cool.

like I said, I can talk about that in a few minutes. Yeah, and then the movie just capped it off as just a cherry on the Sunday was the cop that came with the karate chop on our killer at the end of disarm. Judo chop. It was a legit judo chop. I was just like, I love this movie. Lance, what do you think? I was bored out of my mind. mine. I mean, for one thing, you don't even have an actual murder until an hour and 10 minutes

into the movie. Don, how do you explain that? Like I said, it's a crime drama. I'll get to that in a minute. Yeah, just not my cup of tea, guys. I wanted to enjoy it. I wanted to appreciate the historical significance and everything, but I don't know, man. Starting from the beginning, where you got the guy trapped between two glass walls. Why don't you just break the fucking glass and get to her? Well, instead of waiting an hour of the fucking cops. It's security glass.

It's security glass. All right. Well, you got me on that one. Break it with what, Lance is you missed? How inept are these Italian cops? I mean, really? But you've got to have a fucking, quote, unquote, expat from America to come in and be the white savior and save the day here.

Come on, really? The white savior in Italy? This was not my favorite maybe we've seen this year. And we've seen night swim done. So, you know. Well, you gave night swim a high score. Then all the most. I gave it to six.

That's like an eight from us. Yeah. Okay. I mean, they had a decent twist at the end, but I don't know. I got to pass the time, Philip. Don, you're going to have to, like, assign him some, some Jallo homework because we reviewed Tenebrae and he

hated that one also I don't remember hating it I remember everything you hate Lance so I can use it against you We've got a list Yeah yeah no I enjoyed it I like a good crime drama And this is like

sort of the origins of the crime drama you know It's got like a little bit of that film noir thing going with the yeah see you know that and uh

but it's in Italy and uh and so they're they're solving crimes catching murderers uh it always seems to be a unexpected female villain

but very very misogynistic too by the way yeah I don't know how many like female serial killer there actually are out there, but they're definitely in the minority.

Could the gay character have been a little less flamboyant? I mean, really? This is in like 1970, too, man. True. Yeah, that's a product of it. He was also like the fashion guy, though, right? So sort of makes sense. I guess it makes

sure. Like, if I'm taking fashion advice on a suit, it's probably going to be from that guy. I liked it. I thought it was a pretty good movie. I always liked the the whodunit thing.

And there's something about that whole genre that pulls me in. And I don't know that I realize that that's sort of what Gialo is. Because I had always just envisioned it as this, you know, goopy neon red blood artsy horror thing

you know and a lot of them seem to involve these you know just crime thrillers and I liked it I thought it did it pretty well yeah um actually crime thrillers is where the genre started um yeah so real quickly

for those that are unfamiliar with the genre or the term or whatever first of all the term gialo is literally the italian word for yellow that's basic it's the direct translation that's what it is and it evolved from a uh for yellow yeah it's the italian word for yellow so it's it's the exact same thing when you say yellow in italy it's yellow regardless of whether you're referring to the genre or not it's it just means yellow that it's exactly what it is all right so yeah But, well, the association with the genre is due to a practice that evolved in the 20s and 30s where with books, when books were published in Italian markets, there was a color that was printed on the jacket.

And it was basically like the jacket would be a solid color. You'd have a picture or like a drawing or some kind off in the corner and you'd have the title on the top. but the majority of the book jacket would be this one solid color and it was color coded so each of the genre each of the colors was related to a specific genre red would be comedy blue would be history green would be something like you know they'd be different colors and different genres i don't remember exactly which one's which but when murder mysteries were first introduced, they were given a yellow jacket. And so the reason is that in Italy, the color association is suspense or shock or fear.

So we as Americans, we have the color yellow association as bright and sunny and happy. In Italy, the color association is shock or fear or suspense. And it's what they use that to denote murder mysteries. your Agatha Christie's, your Sherlock Holmes, Hercules Perrault, all of those were printed in Italy with yellow jackets. And when the film's adaptation started popping up in the 50s and 60s, the association was the closest thing to have is the murder mysteries, we'll call them Gialos. That's where the term comes from is because that's the closest thing that they had, because it was basically evoking the same memories that the books were the books had been published under back

in the 20s and 30s. So that's, yeah, that's where the connection comes from is because that was the closest thing that they had was they assumed that the novels were, that the movies were being based off of the novels that were being made. And a lot of the times there was phony adaptations. Like they would invent backstories and say, oh, well, this is based on, you know, such and such Gialo novel. It's a very rare copy, but we were able to

find a copy of it and we based our movie off of this book. But yeah, it's a very phony practice. There's not a lot of it. It was just basically to make the movie look more prestigious than it really was. And so that's where the

association with the term actually comes from. It's the films based on the novels. But when you look at what the 60s Gialos are.

They're not the stalker body count type of slashes that we see like, you know, Bertha Crystal Flumage or, you know, some of the other stuff that comes out like Black Valley of the Tarantula or who saw or die,

you know, like those kinds of Gialo films that came out in the 70s immediately after this one. When you look at Gialos of the 70s, they're basically adaptation of La Diabolique. If you've seen that movie,

you know, it's basically, you know, person going crazy. The psychological manifestations and how they, you know, unravel and, like,

all of that that goes on over time, that's, that's established in the 60s genres. That's not where the genre was. It's not slasher films. It's psychological thrillers. Now, where Phil comes in

with the crime drama aspect, that's due to blood and black lace. When blood and black lace was released, in Italy, it was not a hit. But in West Germany, it was a hit. And I'm saying West Germany specifically, because if you know your history, you know it's West Germany, not Germany. But in West Germany, blood and black lace was a hit. And blood and black lace was established basically with elaborate crime, with elaborate kill

sequences. And it was good Germany and not the bad Germany. Right. West Germany is the good Germany. Yeah, West Germany's the good Germany. So when Blood and Black Lace was released, there was already a line of films made in Germany called Creamies.

Creamy is It's spelled C-R-I-M-I. Don't get your mind in the gutter. Yeah, my mind went right there. Yeah, I know what that's why I spelled it out because I know where your mind went. It's spelled C-R- Germans, that's a weird shit. Yeah, I know.

But yeah, it's spelled C-R-I-M-I. And like Gialo, it's the German word for crime. So Gialo is Italian for yellow. Creamy is the German word for crime. And that's what they, it's what these creamies were in Germany. They were crime movies. It was basically the kills that were,

you watch those films there were just basically a kill that introduced a detective and you watch the detective unravel the crime that's why they called them creamies so when blood and black lace was introduced they started up being the ante and they started

putting more horrific murders into their movies and you see the later 60s you see more graphic more graphic murders more graphic you know exploitation elements by the time you get to

to Blood and Black to Bird with the Crystal Plumage the West German influencers in the film asked Argento to incorporate those elements into the movie so he's making a

murder mystery in Italy based off of German ripoffs of the Italian movie Blood and Black Lace There it is And that's why we invited you, Don.

History lesson in Gialo There you go. So yeah Yeah, the Gialo that most people know of is an Italian adaptation of West German adaptations of an Italian genre film. I feel like that the more you know music should be playing right now. But yeah, that's basically the genre in the Nuts Hill. And that's why I was really impressed that you picked up on it being a crime thriller because that's where the genre started from. That sort of seems to be what a lot of these genres.

yellow movies are. Even when they're not, they kind of are. All right. Scores. Don, what do you think? Flat out 10 for me. Classic. Wow. Brian? I'll go 8.5. Okay. Lance. Lowell man on the total. Yeah, I'll go 5. It's right in the middle for me. there were some decent

you know, seen, some good filming, but I don't know. It just, I found it, I found it rather boring. I don't know if that's just, because I'm so desensitized with all the horror stuff that we watch all the time, but anytime you got to get the

quote, I'm using my air quotes here, the expat and to solve the crime, that's problematic for me. I didn't get ex-pat. I got writer. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't any journalist?

I think that's a bad description you read, Phil. I think it's pretty much, I think it's a, you know, one of those, it's just sort of been co-opted, you know, over time. I think it was just a misguided rumor that just sort of became fact. I gotcha. Yeah, I don't know what it's called, but yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go, I think, seven and a half with this one. I enjoy it.

Like I said, man, I always look like a good crime drama. Like, I'll watch these all day. Even if they're foreign language and a little cheesy. Well, let's get into that. Why was everybody speaking in English? Don, you said it was all dubbed, huh? Yeah. So at this time, a common practice in Italy was to shoot the film silence.

this wasn't just in Gialos this is practically any film out there you would see this in Spaghetti Westerns you'd see this in traditional horror movies dramas comedies you'd see that practically everywhere

it was not just it was not restricted just to Gialos basically the idea was because you had international casts so you would have actors from England you would have actors from you know, Germany, you'd have actors from France,

from Spain, from Italy, from the U.S. You know, it's such a the case with you know, the later film we're talking about, you know, don't torture or duckling. Two of the actresses are from South America, one's from Brazil and I think one's from

Uruguay. Oh, that nice. But, yeah. So, yeah, the the casts were not all speaking one language. The idea was, was to then, okay, well, let's just, you know, not waste time. Let's just make sure that we get the

emotional, the emotions down and we can dub it in post later on. So what's going on is everybody's filming their scenes and they're, they said that the trick was, was that everybody counted off how long their line was. And what, they don't actually speak anything. They're just speaking out in their language how long their line is. So if one guy says, okay, my line is going to take five seconds, he's counting off one,

two, three, but he's like gesturing like what's going on. And the idea was that as soon as he's finished counting his lines, that's my cue to jump in. So they're not speaking their lines. They're saying, okay, my line is five seconds.

I'm just going to, I'm counting off one, two, three, four, five. and that's my part of the scene. And then it's, you know, we'll dub the voices in later. So in various markets, they would have them, you know, they would come in for the ADR. What they would actually be doing is they'd be dubbing their lines over for their native release.

So the Spanish people would dub their voices over for when the film would be released in Spain. The French actors would dub their lines over for when the film was released in France. and the Americans would dub their voices over for when the film came to America. Well, that kind of makes sense because it almost didn't look like they were actually speaking in other language. It just sort of looked like their mouths didn't quite match up. That's what everybody always speaks about these is that the lip movements don't match.

That's what they're doing. They're not actually speaking like. Yeah, they're not speaking lines at all. They're just counting off in their language. They're just however long that particular line is in that scene, they're just counting off how long it takes for them to, how long that line would take to say if they were actually speaking it, but they're just saying they're just counting off in numbers,

and then they're going over later and they're dubbing their voices in. Okay. That explains why two Italian cops were speaking to each other in English. I get it now. Yeah All right, well that brings us to our next movie Don't Torture a Duckling From 1972

Was a child of the devil I don't know But Peter no one's ever been killed because of magic No one It's all nonsense She was born here Farla made a fortune in the land Come on I won't bite you

I'm coming Apparently she was implicated When a drug scandal a few months ago, I don't know any of the details, but her father seemed to think she'd better stay here. When a southern Italian town is rocked by a string of child murders, right up my alley. I love these movies.

The police and two urban outcasts search for the culprit amid scapegoating with superstitious community. Director is Lucio Fulci, also known for zombie and a cat in the brain. Okay.

Writers are Lucio Fulci, Roberto Giovanni, and Gianfranco Clariti. Did the best I could. None of the main cast are actually Italian. Florenda Balkan is Brazilian. Thomas Milian is Cuban-American. Cuban-American.

Barbara Boucher is German-American and Irene if you click on her name on Wikipedia it says Nazi Germany. Oh, well, there you go. I just clicked on her name. This is 72. And Irene Pappas is Greek and Mark Porel and George Wilson are both French. So, all right, what did you think about? Don't torture a duckling, Don. This is one of my all-time favorite movies.

This is in my top 15 of all time. I love this movie to death. Yeah, I think it's fantastic. I think the setup is amazing. Brian will get a kick out of this. In the immortal words of MJF, fuck them kids. Yeah, I think the setup is fantastic. Yeah, the whole idea of taking a Gialo out of this, you know, city and putting it out in the rural countryside, I think that's just absolutely ingenious.

There's just so much to play with, you know, this whole idea of intolerance and bigotry, you know, the way that the outsiders treat everybody there, the way that they treat themselves. I think it's just It makes for a fantastic storytelling The kills are just amazing The gore is fantastic The score, the scenery It's just amazing And one of my all-time favorite nude scenes

In the history of the universe I think this movie has it all I love this one With the 12-year-old kid Yeah A fun fact That's actually a I believe the correct term now would be little person.

Oh. That's how they shot that sequence. I had no idea. Come on, Don. It just looked like a kid. No, it's a little person. I think that's the correct term. Well, that makes more sets.

Yeah, that's how they made it. Boy, they just jam this sucker right into a scene that he was ready for, huh? I would have been ready for it. Shit. all right uh brian what you think i agree with don i love this and that that might be one of my favorite nude scenes the redhead seducing the the little person now i know doesn't make it as creepy as it was before she was ready to fuck that 12 year old for sure horn the orange orange aid is that what she called it yeah yeah yeah that's right um

Yeah, I did not know where this movie was gone. This movie had more twist enough to make M. Knight jealous of this movie. There was twist after twist. As soon as you thought somebody was the killer was going this way, the movie went another way. And when you get to one of the scenes where the townspeople went full evil dyes tonight on somebody, I didn't see that coming. Better movie than that one, though, that's for sure. Yeah.

And then when we get to the finale, I was just like, when I'm trying not to spoil it. Even though it's an old one, I really don't want to spoil it. But when we get to the mountain top scene, I really thought it was going to go all bad for a character. Yeah. And not the character that it did. I thought somebody was going to get thrown.

And this movie just kept me guessing on the edge of my seat the entire time. The practicals and the one scene when the townspeople attacked somebody was good. Yeah. The kids looked like they were legit dead in this movie. Like they actually were the children for this movie. Great, great movie. I think I'm going to keep this Jallow train running because, like I said, every time I watch one, I'm just entertained. Yeah, totally different little subgenre there.

Lance, what do you think about this one? Yeah, this was a lot better than the other movie. So, oh, my God, all my schoolboy fantasies were being realized there when she was saying, why don't you stay here? It's like, holy shit, I would have fucking jumped at the chance. Of course. And that was a little person, Dawn? Really?

Yeah, I was a little person. Little persons they'd love to, so, you know, I'm all full. it, but yeah, gorgeous women in here, not just her, but the witch. Is it Brouha? Is that Italian too, or just Spanish? For names for a witch, you guys may not know. I think it's Latin in general. I think other languages, I think it's one of those where I think, you know, the Latin countries kind of just adopted it just because all of them are similar. I don't know if there's a definitive one that started it.

I think it's just one of those where it's a Latin word and I think all of the you know, Spanish, French, Italian, just because they're also similar. I think they just kind of adopted it. It was definitely Mexican. Wow. This movie kept you guessing the whole way. And anytime I see a priest around a bunch of young boys, I immediately, like, my spidey sense goes off and I don't trust that priest. But that aside, they kept you guessing who it was going to be.

And then, yeah, that final scene, I don't know. almost brought tears to my eyes. The little girl that was not quite there and the peril she was in and who she trusted and who she didn't trust. And very, very well-made movie. Much different to me than the last one. Sorry, sorry I didn't like the last one

as much guys, not trying to bring the party down. But this movie had everything in it. It had everything. Just incredibly well-made movie. And you guys know that I love you know, horror that takes place out in the woods and stuff like that. And, you know, like Don brought up, this takes you out of that urban, you know, set up or whatever. And it kind of brings you out into a small, although it wasn't really that small a town because how many fucking people showed up every time they announced the new...

Beautiful scenery. Beautiful location. Yeah. Yeah, this was a good one. This was a good one. Yeah. I'd like, especially in that crime drama category, I like catching the bad guys for really bad crimes, like killing kids, right? Like, that sounds terrible.

No telling what else he did, right? Like, I really like watching movies about killing kids, but not like that. You like the justice part of it. Yes. Like Law and Order S.U. Is definitely my favorite Law & Order series. And this sort of was like that, but before that. And even before the whole priest drama, I mean, this was in the 70s, but still,

I watch out for that dude, right? He never know. Yeah, I enjoyed this one. I thought it had a... It took the whole crime drama thing a little more seriously than the last movie, I think, and had more twists and turns. Like, this could easily make into a modern-day movie without... M-N-N-Kreve-N-K probably already trying to get the rights.

Yeah. And, yeah, I enjoy it. I like the witch. I kind of wish they had delved a little more into the whole... black magic thing um like it was sort of a side plot but they didn't really go into it they just sort of dismissed it and like i i think had they played on that a little more and explained it some it could have been very cool um but either way i i think it was a pretty good movie man i was i was pretty impressed i think they did enough with that to make you think

it was going that way. Well, yeah, but then like when it didn't, it was just, I think, all right, we're just going to forget about that plot line. Well, it kind of brought it back because there was another character that had had books on the subject, so you were thinking that was connected. So I like how they were kind of throwing you this way and your expectations this way. But, you know, it was really going another way. yeah they were really kind of dangling that carrot but the the problem is they dangled it and then pulled it back and then like didn't really give you a back didn't know and i you know i i thought had they had they delved into the whole black magic thing and made that even had they made that actually been the issue uh i think that would have worked but i'm i'm still pretty happy with the uh

with the ending. I think that worked out. Although, you know, some of the physics in that last scene probably didn't work out, but that's great. All forgiven because of a dummy death. I give extra points when you have a fault.

Oh, that was a great dummy, too. And that head crushing on those rocks over and over again. The sparks. The sparks. I'm like, you know what? There's your black magic, All right.

Any final words on this one before we give scores? No. All right. Don, what do you think? One to ten. Ten. Another ten. Brian, what do you think?

Give it an easy nine. I think this is my favorite one so far that we've talked about on here. Pretty good, Gialo. Lance, what do you think? My favorite so far, too. Seven and a half. Seven and a half. I'm going to go eight on this one.

I think it was, it kept my attention. And I kind of wish that I had gotten to put a little more attention into it. Like, I may go back and watch this one again. You mean the Red Hood film up specifically? Just in general. Okay. Just checking. Was Donald?

Duck free domain at this time? I think in Italy you're allowed, but they have a different name for them in Italy. Don't they, Don? Like, they have a comic books that came out, everything else. I can't remember what you're. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I don't remember offhand. If you would have asked me for extra research, I would have been able to be prepared. But, yeah.

Elthropo or Popo or something like that, right? Yeah, something. Yeah. I'm a Disney I'm a Disney buff so yeah that sounds familiar maybe that's where I've heard it from you may be right I think that's what I think that's what it is but um without looking it up my I don't know for sure that that that does sound right that that that does sound right though okay yeah but they called him Donald Duck and it wasn't like obvious that he was but right I think it worked he just said my name is Donald Doug

and I don't give a darn it. The duck don't. That's what I'm saying. Oh, here it is. Uh-oh. Paparino, paparato? I don't know if I said that right. El Popo or something like that. I think they love it. A paparino is the Italian word for dutto.

Okay. Ah, there you go. Don't torture him, Don. Yeah. Yeah, I know you're talking about. Oh, I guess that's where the name of the movie comes from. Yeah, paparino is the Italian word for ductum. Okay. Okay, cool.

Learning all kinds of stuff tonight. I know. Knowledge. All right. Any final words? Yeah, just, Don, where all can we find you now, man? You're all over the place, literally. Yeah.

So yeah, like I said, I do my Women and Horror Month series as well as all my usual reviews and write-ups. You can find that on Don's World of Horror and Exploitation. You can find that at dawn's horrorworld.com. I have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, if you want to follow me under my name. Pretty easy to find there. and I am involved in there's technically two but I mean if you really wanted to be

you know if you you know we really wanted to be pedantic there's three podcasts I'm involved in the main one is the horror countdown me and a guest we pick a topic and do a top ten list every episode so no movie reviews no in-depth discussion

it's just a top ten list on you know whatever topic we want to, you know, discuss. You know, we can, you know, I've done episodes on, you know, werewolves and vampires to, you know, female revenge movies or, and I think the latest one I released at the time of recording was scariest smiles. So, you know, wide open topics, you know, a lot to, you know, to discuss. you can find that pretty much everywhere you find podcasts I got to give you said that stops staying Stitcher

that's used my usual thing but you know Apple Spotify I think Google podcast is still available I think it's going away and beginning the next month yeah it's what I'm saying I know I got to stop with that one too I've got to figure out what other podcatcher is out there

but if you search around on the main sites you'll find it's horror countdown. The other two shows you can find on the No More Room in Hell feed. They're both sidecasts of No More Room in Hell. One is called Fresh Cuts, which is a weekly look at the biggest release of the current week, so streaming VOD theatrical, what have you.

And the other one is called Creature Comforts, which is basically just looking at creature features. one movie at a time. So, like I said, you can find those both on the No More Room and Hell feed. But yeah, other than that, like I said, you can pretty much find me under my name. Like you said, I'm everyone. Well, dude, we're super honored to have you join us this week. It means a lot.

So thank you very much, John. Thank you guys for having me. So, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Return. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. Thanks to Brian, you know where to reach us. And I think next week is it March Madness? Brian, we're a little up in the air on that or what's... Pretty sure we get a March Mandus coming.

I do not even know who is all involved this year. I know one person. I hope to keep it that way because I want to be surprised, but we'll see. But guaranteed we will be back next week as every week. and shit, I guess there's nothing left to say, but Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.