The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #416: The Tripper (2006) & Founders Day (2024)

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

This week we honor our patriotic duty. Pedro joins us to talk some political slashers and cast our votes. Cool of the week includes travel, The Roast of Tom Brady, Baby Reindeer, and Godzilla Minus One. This week's trailer is Handling the Undead. The podcast spotlight shines on The Skeleton Boys. And we get feedback from Al Ramseur, Tim Davis, Horror Chronicles, Steven Lowblad, and The Geekz! Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. and an honorary additional host Pedro is back with us tonight how's it going guys doing good man always always a pleasure to be here how's things in sunny California pretty good it's starting to get a little sunny which is good you know may um but uh yeah no everything's going great over here nice I appreciate you coming coming by what what stuck out this for you this week why why'd you want to be on the Founders Day show? Because I love slasher movies.

You know, they're wacky. And I think these two movies fit that bill, you know, they're not very good, but then again, most slashes are not very good, but there's a charm to them. And so I was like, you guys haven't had a slasher's week in a while, so I was like,

I want to jump on here for this one. I think they do qualify as wacky. Yeah. Yeah, Brian, you're kind of a slasher fan, aren't you? Yeah, but I know you're not. Not always. There's some good ones. Lance, I think you do have issues. And there's nothing wrong with that. I mean,

slasher films are not for everyone, you know. They're not my favorite. I do think that you do have issues with them. It's fine. We'll get into it. You know, I think those type of films have a certain levity to them that, you know, a lot of people really can't see sometimes, you know? And so, I don't know. Well, we'll get into when we get to these films today. They're all like one step below horror comedy. Yes. And I think over the years, they've become such a parody of themselves.

Even when somebody tries to, quote, unquote, do it right and be more serious, it's hard not to go into that parody zone, you know? So, and I think both of these films, particularly with Founders Day, I don't think, I don't know if that was the objective. At times I felt it was, at times I felt it wasn't. it's a very disjointed film in a lot of ways um but the tripper for sure was a parody i mean and we'll get into that um and the reason why i wanted to be on here is because i'm a fan of those like rarely seen like mid-2000 slasher films like the tripper you know um and there's a bunch of them and i have a big collection of them so i was like wow i can't believe that's on the

schedule i want to be on for that so i'm here and no this movie existed Yeah, and it's got a pretty good cast. You know, the cast, I mean, the movie looks like shit. Don't get me wrong. And we'll talk about it when we get to it. But the cast is good. And yeah, those mid-2000 films are like, there's a lot of hidden gems on there.

And so I wanted to come on here and talk about it. That's a good reason. That's a good reason. What about other than these, what's your cool of the week, man? Well, I've been traveling a lot. I took some time off work. As a therapist, you need that self-care. from time to time. And I'm very lucky to be in a situation where I could take some time off.

And I've been traveling, man. I've been, so I don't think I've ever shared in this, in this forum here on the show, but I do have a go to go to all the major league ballparks. And so I've been doing a lot of that. I went to Denver and I went to Cincinnati. I went to Pittsburgh. So I kind of been traveling quite a bit. I'm actually trying to go down to Texas this weekend. I'm still not sure. Yeah, I shared this with Lance. I want to catch Texas Fright Mere and then catch a Rangers game because I haven't been to the Rangers new ballpark yet. And so I want to do that. And if I don't catch both of them, then that would be perfect.

And then take that four-hour drive up to Houston to catch the Astros. So that's the plan for this weekend. I'm not quite sure if it's going to happen yet. I'm trying to catch a good deal on a flight. But if I do, then, you know, which is, yeah, I know you're laughing. But it is interesting how, like, sometimes if you go last minute, you will. catch some good deals um that makes sense and right now that i have that i have all this time to kind of like mix and match the dates and whatnot um i've been able to get i went to

pittsburgh from alley to pittsburgh one way i pay like 40 bucks you know like little you know you get some good deals like that yeah 40 bucks holy shit that's that's cheap than the greyhound yeah yeah and so if i'll catch a good flight um to uh to dallas this weekend then i'm gonna i'm gonna go down there and, you know, spent a couple days down there, go to Texas Sprite mirror, a little ranger's game. So that's kind of been my cool of the week because I've just been on the road a lot,

you know, meeting new people, new places, fun times. What's your favorite stadium so far? Yeah, that's when I was about to ask. Your favorite stadiums so far? Well, that's hard because my hardest I was going to be with Dodger Stadium, of course. That's, you know, but I think PNC Park in Pittsburgh

it's just a work of art. You know, it's right by the lake. And it's almost like the lake is a part of the ballpark. And if you sit out there in the stands, you know, on the right side, you have the lake right there or the river. And then on the left, you have like a ballgame, right? So it's a pretty cool ballpark. So I got to say PNC Park.

Is that the one where people like hang out in kayaks and catch? Well, that's also a park in San Francisco as well. That's the one I'm thinking of it. Okay. Who has the best food so far you've been to? I would have to say, probably like Boston when I went to see the Red Sox. You know, they have, they have a, they have a, their, their menu has more variety to it. Whereas most ballparks stick to like hamburgers and hot dogs and popcorn.

I remember Boston had like, you know, like they were serving like burritos and stuff, which was unique to me. and so their menu was they had a little more variety in their menu so that's that's the one that stands out to me nice yeah yeah and i actually got like five more to go so i'm almost there oh you are almost there man yeah yeah so if i could knock out houston and dallas this weekend i got five more i'm going to toronto uh in july because i'll also be going to money in the bank which is a wrestling pay-per-view of course you are of course well the thing with that the thing that I try to do is I try to cluster them you know I'm not just going to fly to a city for the the ballpark I try to combine it with other things like for example when I saw when I went to Cleveland I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame so I could knock that out of the bucket list you know stuff like that so yeah yeah so Toronto had this paper view coming up and I don't particularly like to go to WWE paper views anymore just because they're so it's become a thing now so but I had this I was like well I I want to see the Blue Jays.

When am I ever going to see the Blue Jays? You know, just go to trial for that. So I'm just going to combine that and just make a weekend out of it. So that's going to happen in July. So yeah, so that's pretty much my cool of the week, man. I just been traveling. And it is exhausting, but it's also a lot of fun. Travel's always fun.

Yeah, and exhausting. Yeah. But yeah, it's been something that I've been so fortunate to be able to do. Because that's the kind of shit that people do when they retire, you know, and I'm over here. doing all this now and just get, you know, just making some good memories. That's awesome, dude. Awesome. Yeah, so that's been my cool of the week.

I'm going to go with somebody who's cool of the week from last week, Philip. Brian, you guys okay with that? Yeah. Checked out the roast of Tom Brady. Oh, yeah. It lives up to the hype. How do they get away with saying half the shit they said on that? It's

What's that, Brian? It's coming down a little. Comedy Central. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's, uh, wow. Some of the things that they said was like, yeah,

I don't even know if this is Comedy Central. I think this was Netflix, right? As a Netflix. Oh, yeah. I thought it was Comedy Central. Did it have something to do with Comedy Central or was it just, uh, no,

they usually do the roasts, but I don't think they did this. All right. I think that's just straight up for the idea. It was really good to see unapologetic comedy again, you know, where people were kind of saying things that they probably, but I don't know, Pedro, I thought about you, man,

your Pulsification of America theory. And I thought, man, if we get... It's not a theory, but it's a real thing. Well, if we get more of these, they're kind of pushing back at that. So I got no problem with that. And we actually, A.J. watched it with me. I watched like the first half.

And wait, I said, this is so funny, I got to wait and watch this with her. And she fucking hates Tom Brady. She hates it. So it made it a lot more fun. If you see it with a Brady hater, believe me, it makes the experience a lot better. You know, I used to hate him, but he's kind of so undeniable at this point. that you know, you can't help but go, all right, well, this is one of the greats that's ever played the game. Yeah.

Yeah, and Kevin Hart's a good host. He's, he's pretty good to keep everybody on track. And then, you know, of course, he's, he's obviously an easy target, you know, being like five foot three or whatever. A lot of short jokes. Lots of short jokes. I heard Burke Kreischer told the joke that they had to edit out. out. Uh-oh.

I heard Bert Krasher pulled a bag of cocaine out of his pocket, and they had to edit that out. Yeah, that was that part of his bit. Oh, that he was worried that they were going to air it. Right. He looked like he was coked up. That's for him sure. Yeah, all right. Well, moving on.

That's my cool of the week. We already covered it last week. Well, I'll, uh, I'll jump. in. I'm sure I have something else that I'll think of mid show, but as usual, what I'm stuck on right now is baby reindeer. Have you

guys seen this on Netflix? It's on the queue. It's on the queue. Okay. Yeah. It's a pretty good series. It was a really interesting watch. And then I got really into it after so Pierce Morgan interviewed the

real lady behind it. Oh shit. I did a was not supposed to be released, but apparently she was relatively easy to find. And once you see the interview, you'll understand why. Because, like, dude, they could not have picked a better person to play this. It was

exactly her. So, yeah, it's built as a true story, and they're trying to figure out whether or not it actually is a true story. But because this lady's denying a lot of it, but it sounds like it's mostly true. Anyway, they've got some internet drama going on with it right

and it's it's kind of fun to watch but yeah that's that's all i got at the moment all right uh i only got two things uh first is a shark movie that i think came out last week uh something in the water you guys heard of this one no i haven't which one's the one whether on the plane what's that called uh no way up okay different one I just think it's how easy you like think like remember that there's so many of them

yeah um if you like the shallows in the reef and open water you'll probably enjoy this movie because they jam all that shit in here

that's not terrible that's what you want out of a shark movie right great sense of shark movies yeah because and if you watch the movie you'll be like, oh, this is what Brian was talking about. And then 30 minutes later, you'll be like, oh, here's the other movie he was talking about. That over the top, huh, with how much it borrows?

Yeah, not as gory or bloody. There is one good. It looked practical to me. Someone getting their leg bitten, it looked pretty good. So that was probably the most blood and gore you get in the movie. but for except for that it's pretty much tame maybe it was somebody really getting their leg pit off man maybe stock footage

so back in the day it was Bruno Matei movies where they were using real footage of fucking sharks or he would just steal it from the film jaws natural film jaws and use it in his movie sure why not Did they do like Jaws 3? They had a bunch of stock footage.

Yes. What's that movie that you pretty much ripped off? Cruel Jaws? You guys ever seen that one? Cool Jaws? Yeah. Yeah, I have. I've missed that.

Well, it's easy to miss because Stephen Spielberg sent a cease and deceased letter like really fast. But what happened was that is Italian filmmaker Bruno Mate, who stole everything from the Americans, by the way. Yes. And he made this film called Cruel Jaws. where about, I don't know, about 20, 25% of it was like the film Jaws. He literally took stuff from Jaws and put it in Crue Jaws, and he got that season desist. And it wasn't available for a long time until, I believe,

Severn put it out. And then I picked it up right away because of the slip case was pretty much Jaws, but they only did a couple hundred of those just because they didn't want to get a cease and desist later. And, yeah, so that's the story. of cruel Joss. And it stars

not Hulk Hogan. That's right. Now we should be on the schedule. Brian, put it on the schedule. I'll work it in somewhere. You need a good

shark movie for the summertime schedule, so we'll work it in there. And the other movie I've seen is Godzilla minus one. Speaking of

Jaws rip-offs. That's true. That's true. I like the movie, but I have to say this was incredibly overhiked. Oh, no. Uh-oh. Whoa, here we go. So much.

Right. What was it? I tell us about it. Why was it over hyped? It was so much talking and talking and talking. I didn't care. I knew, I know they were trying to build a story. around the main characters but I just I just wanted more of this amazing Godzilla

special effects that I was just hyped about from hearing for the past few months and I thought it was just not enough Godzilla for me uh-oh so did you did you prefer Godzilla X-Kong then it's not the it's not a good movie it's not the better movie but uh I had fun with it. Did he prefer Godzilla getting his molar taken out instead of Godzilla stalking a boat like Jaws?

As long as Dan Stevens was doing it. After seeing him and that and Abigail, I kind of want more Dan Stevens just hamming it up in horror movies. I'm saying he did a great job. Yeah, I think, I think, Brian, you were a victim of just the overhype i think i think that i think that's the minus one it's it is a very

good movie i think it's the first movie that really gets over the characters right maybe besides the first one um and yeah it's you know as a consequence of that you are going to have a lot of talking and dialogue because it is a character-driven movie um and i think the message at the end of like like not losing hope and all this stuff i think it resonated with a lot of people and and that's why it's got the reputation it has. Because the Godzilla is just, this is like a real monster. Like for, for the first time in many, many years, I mean, they don't try to give him any kind of personality other than he's just this vicious monster, you know? And again, the scene that I turned, my favorite scene in the entire movie is when he's stalking the ship, because the tension there, like, that's how you, that's how you create tension where he's just kind of stalking them and they're trying to get the bomb ready and whatnot. I mean, that's probably my favorite thing in the movie. But I could see how I was overhyped for you for sure. Yeah, I think I just waited too long. And plus, I think I would have enjoyed it more seen in the theater than at home.

Makes a difference. But I take it it's available by other means at this point. Yes, it is. Okay, I'm going to have to look for it. If I had to choose that to go Godzilla minus one as my cool of the way. All right. Still wins. Still victorious.

What do you think about that, Pedro? Hey, I'll take it. That's why me and Lance, we try to get our booty out there to the theater at least once a week, right, Lance? At least once a week, yeah. We got that little AMC stubs and it gets us through it. So, uh, they're not always going to be wins because when you go so many times, actually most of them are going to be losses just because of the lot of averages. But once in a while, you're going to hit the jackpot with a really, really good theatrical experience. Yeah, we're doing good when we're batting like 150 on that.

Yeah, I mean, think about it. We got that trifecta of like Immaculate. Well, I like the first oldman, even though Nesberg out of it. And then Abigail, we had three good horror films. Yeah, good one. I'll take it. I'll take it. Well, in summertime's coming up.

That's when all the good movies come out of you. Yeah, I just hope that Anya Taylor Joy is going to be ready for the math. Mad Max movie after being in Founders Day, man. All right, Ryan. Taylor Joy. Yes. Oh, that's the perfect. Perfect thing for it.

It's going to stick. Brian, we've got to have some headlines now, dude. There's conventions coming up, all kinds of stuff, right? Yeah. Just because they're coming up, don't mean we have a lot of headline. Uh-oh. But I'll dig some up here. Have you guys ever seen 2006 the brief?

produced by West Craven? Oh. I think so. Killer dog movie? Yes, I have. I have. It is getting a remake. Okay. A movie, only one of us is heard of is getting a remake. I think I've seen it.

I know it stars a young Michelle Rodriguez. Yes, yes it does. Yeah. Doesn't say much, but yeah. Well. I tried. I couldn't think anything else to say about it. Again, that's one of those hidden

like mid-2000s kind of movies that everybody forgot about, like The Tripper. That's why it's important to talk about these films. Maybe that's why it's getting a remake. Somebody saw that it was good enough for a remake. Nobody has ever heard about it. And I think that's what remake should be all about, right? Yeah, makes sense.

So, yeah, we'll see how it turns out. Let's see here. Deborah Ann Wool is set to star in a new horror movie. I'm assuming it's a werewolf movie called The Cycle. Okay. I used to a movie about periods. It probably is. That's where the werewolf movies are about.

And I see Shutter has already picked it up. Okay. We'll get it in two years then. That's right. They always do that, man. They pick these movies up and then they set the release day for like a year after they picked it up. If you're going to just do that, what do you tell us? Like, just tell us like a month before, not a year before.

And then Australia will get it like three years after that on Australian shutter, right? I guess. I don't know. The breed. Let's go. The breed. The breed. Not the breeze.

Not the Drew Breeze. The breed. Let's see. I don't know if I brought this up last week, but 28 years later, it gets a June 20th, 2020, release date. It's a long way. It's 25. Jesus Christ.

That's about how much the production lasts. I mean... It's about a year. I'll take it. I feel like we've been talking about this movie forever, though. I thought it was coming up. For 28 years. They've been doing the casting. That's why we've been talking about it. It was a lot of

this person's in talks. This person's actually in this person's rumored. What do they do more gimmicks like they did with Cloverfield Paradox where like, they'll be like coming soon as then right after the Super Bowl is the

of Colofield paradox and it's like while you're watching the Super Bowl. That's pretty cool right? Right. Right. Half the year, you don't have to wait a month. It's like you had no idea this movie existed and you're going to get it like minutes after they tell you it existed. They need to do more of that shit.

It was. They're missing out. I watched that one. And Another movie we've been kind of bringing up a lot here with Zach Craigers' follow-up to Barbarian Weapons gets a January 16th, 20-26 release date. What's the fuck? Jesus Christ. This is we've been talking about for at least two years. Oh, boy.

See, but that's kind of fucked up. It makes you think about all these guys, right? like these creators, these directors, these producers. Think about how much time they invest into these fucking movies. And then half of these come out and they fucking suck. And they have to sit there and just take it. You know, and it's like, it's kind of fucked up in a way. Because you invest so much, you invest at least two years of your life in this project.

And then it gets like the abuse. And it's like, it's pretty fucked up. But anyways, that's the life they choose. So fuck it. Yeah. And finally. Six. Jesus Christ. And finally, Roger Corman passed away this weekend.

Oh, man. Yeah, I guess it was around forever, 90-something. 90-something. I think it was 96? I think so. Man, we should all be so lucky, right? And he was still very active. I mean, he was just in jokes, what, like a month ago or something like that.

And he was still very, like, his cognition was still intact. He could still carry conversations. Very smart guy. Yeah, man, he's just one of those. guys that really influenced a lot, a lot of filmmakers from the 80s, you know, going like the James Cameron's type. And just, he started a lot of like those, a lot of actors too. So, yeah, he's, and the side part about the way that he broke into film is that nobody would be able to do that again just because the film industry doesn't work like that anymore.

Sure. You know, the, like the $15 to $30 million budget a movie doesn't exist anymore. You know, you have micro budgets now or you have like this gigantic back hollywood yeah exactly as you say like producers that are making a livy i i think like blumhouse is probably the closest but they fucking suck anyway so um or they have been lately um but yeah that formula that he had to really make his money and really allow um other young professionals to to kind of engage in their craft you can't do that anymore and so he's going to be missed you know he's definitely a pioneer and all that stuff. Yeah.

Looking here, he was actually 98. Wow. Well, shit. Every day you wake up at 98 is got to be a good day, right? No kidding. No kidding. I mean, if you're not hurting, you know, if you're not hurting. Sure, sure.

I would say if you're 98 and you could wipe your ass, it's a good day. Yeah, no kid. The hurting part, Petra. That's what drugs are for. Come on. But if you're 98 and you can't wipe your ass, you know, you start to be. Just be checking out. I'll be honest with you. Start looking toward the Exxador, huh?

But he lived a good life, man. Like I said, he was too much to his cognitive speaking. He was still very much with us. And, yeah, rest in peace to Roger Corman. And that's the news. If that's the news, then I guess that means it's time to head all down to the trailer park. And Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird.

What's the first new trailer tonight, Brian? We got a new one from neon. Well, we only had one, right? Just to make sure. Yeah. Okay. Okay. First, I was like, what?

Well, we got one, at least. Yeah, did I say the first one? No, no, no, Lancet, the first one. That's why he threw me off. This one's titled, Handling the Dead. sounds nasty it sounds like the pet cemetery it sounds like the pet cemetery folk

about to send a cease and desist to this movie that's what the trailer looked like to me honestly I didn't think about it like that yeah okay let's see on a hot summer day in Oslo the dead mysteriously awakening

and it's too early to break you, Lance. Yeah, but the tricker also specifically showed them very... So, I don't know, man. I better not see any cats or dogs in this movie, or else I'm going to cause shenanigans. Well, but they've had, you know,

there's a bunch of zombie movies. Like that, uh, that... It is a troll. Show. Yes. Yeah, like they... Just dead people just came back. That sort of...

of the vibe I got. I guess. We'll skip the rest of the synopsis because it's too hilarious for Lance to continue. Oh, no. Opsis. What was that? Synopsis.

Let's see. On a hot summer day in Oslo, the dead mysterious awaken and three families are thrown into chaos when their deceased loved ones come back to them who they are and what they are. and who they are and what they want. They do not know.

Hmm. Okay. Hmm. That sounds interesting. I think it looks cool. It's like a fresh take on zombies. Although, I guess it definitely has some similarities to other movies. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that until Pedro mentioned it. Now I can't get it out of my head. Well, I see where Pedro's coming from because

of the sudden change in personality attitude, the dead having the trailer. Right, right. Well, a couple of things kind of trigger those alarms. The first part was when there's a part of the traitor where one character's like, we just buried grandma last night or something like that. And then all of a sudden, grandma's back and I'm like, I saw that at a cemetery. And then

then like the ambience is very like small-townish. too where I was, maybe I don't know. Once I was there, I was like, okay. But I don't know, man. Like, to me, these kind of, this trope, I always get pissed off at the families or the persons that are still alive because of their ignorance. Now, I get, I don't know how I would react, all right? I'm not saying that I would get it right either. Like, if one of my loved ones passed away and then I buried them and then they came back. Like, would I be ignorant to think that they're still the same person? I don't know. But, because I've never experienced that, I'm just using logic, and I'm thinking, this fucking person or whatever they are, obviously is not well.

Look at them, you know? Like, there's a scene in this trailer where there's this girl that's feeding like a cookie or something to her grandma. And I'm like, yo, like, you're way too close to the mouth. Like, chill out with that shit. But I don't know. I just think sometimes, you know, in our suspension of disbelief, we have to try to really connect to the grief of these people to allow us to accept that they're ignorant enough. of to allow these whatever these creatures to kind of you know um push forward the narrative you know and i'm like sometimes it just gets me it again frustrates me because i'm like it's obviously there's

something obviously not right here and yet the family's like ignoring all this you know so that's why i don't like about the this kind of trope when it's used i don't know how you guys feel about that it looks like to me like it this is a universe where zombies don't exist right and uh yeah right and then they try to make it that's something i hate that's something you hate yeah when they continue this nobody knows what a zombie is thing yeah that's a good point oh yeah like like showing a spider man origin story 17 times right yeah i guess for no spider man origin story at this point but uh uh i i i think it looks pretty interesting it sounds like it's i think it's from the same author that did let the right one in?

Okay. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So I have high expectations for it. It looks pretty interesting. Like, yeah, it kind of reminded me of there was a movie where they were like trying to rehabilitate the zombies. I think it was called the Gift or something like that. Oh, yes, I do remember that one.

Yeah. And so it kind of reminds me of that and the Revenant series out of France it was kind of had similar tones to it I'm kind of down for it I had to watch this trailer twice

the first time it didn't hook me because it looks kind of slow and boring but if you actually look at what the trailer's doing like you know what I'll watch this movie that kind of leads into my question do you think this is going to be more drama than horror

yeah I think it's going to be more drama I think it looks very artsy. A lot of action. Yeah. I think it's to be more drama. So that means a lot of investment in the characters. So Brian, obviously, you've already stated that you're, that gets annoying for you sometimes with a lot of dialogue. In particular movies, it's just, when I want my Godzilla, I want my Godzilla.

It's just, when Brian went into that description, I had to giggle there a little because he said on a hot summer day in Oslo. That's like of all places, to describe it as hot, that's kind of like saying, on the barren, dusty plains of Anchorage, Alaska, one man. You know, it's like, okay? How hot does he get there? Because, like, it's pretty hot fucking right outside right now. How hot does it get here?

No, in Oslo. Imagine how bad those zombies smell if it's like in a hot summer day in Oslo. Yeah, because that kid, the main actress, her kid looked fucked up. He looked like the kid from that movie. Terrified? Yeah. Well, and that's where I was going with that also, because it looks like he's been dead for a minute. That's what I was thinking.

They didn't just pull him up out of the ground, right? And you know, the thing that bothers me about these kind of films, there's always that scene where you do have somebody that has some sort of smarts within the family or the friends for like, let's get some help here. Let's bring somebody that knows what the fuck's going on. And then you have like the person like,

oh, but they're going to hurt them. I don't want them to find out. And the fucking, the zombies is like missing an eyeball, you know, and fucking worms are coming out of his close. Oh, I don't want a bit of hurt. No, we can't let anybody know. Let's keep it a secret. Oh, it's just going.

But anyways, I'm just to watch it. I want to watch neon because one hasn't let it out. So I'm down for whatever they know. I like when they give her that little animal, whatever the hell that was. Oh, yeah. And she's like squeezing it and fixing it to eat it. You don't hold a rabbit like that. But it was it.

like it was going to be a good scene. Yeah, if they don't just do a fast cutaway from it and go back to more drama and talky-talkie, you know? I kind of feel like it's going to be majority of the first two acts are going to be drama, and then when the zombies start

reverting to basically being a zombie instead of being more alive, I think that's when the horror is going to kick in. Yeah. I can see that. Kind of a tie west vibe, wait until the last five minutes for everything to go that shit crazy. I hope you don't have to wait that long.

Well, and if you're going to do a serious drama about zombies, there's probably going to have to be some gore. If they cut away from that, that's bullshit. Hopefully they don't. All right. This was just previously at Sundance, so I think they're going to release a release date at a later time. June 28, 28.

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Get those shock glasses, people. Yeah, that's right. And on to featured attractions. This week, we check out the brand new Founders Day and The Tripper from 2006. Every year, thousands of hippies. Journey to the Redwood Forest to the American Free Love Music Festival. Where America's best and brightest come to celebrate. Freedom? Yes, beer. Anyone know where I could get some beer? This is America!

Do whatever we please. But this year, they will experience the ultimate buzzkill. I've told you yippies to stay out of the forest. It's a bad scene, man. Looks like the critters got to. Mighty big critters. Did you see anybody a stranger on?

Yeah, there's weirdos all over the place. A Ronald Reagan obsessed serial killer targets a bunch of hippies who are heading to a weekend long concert. Director is David Arquette, also known for an episode of the TV show Dirt as well as acting in many roles, including screens.

He's also a former WCW Heavyweight Champion of the world. Let's not forget that That's not forget that Come on Yes he is What a gimmick What a gimmick man Come on

Hey give him He held the same title Rick Flair held That's true Damn What you say like that Brian's really fucked up It rains so much

During filming of the tripper That director David Arquette At the rap party gave each cast and crew Remember a personalized photo In fact One of the few days it didn't rain was when they shot the rain scenes.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Make it rain. He gave them a personalized photo of himself. Does it rain? God damn, dude. I can't fucking read today. That makes way more sense. I was going to say, I was like, why would he give him a personalized photo because it rained? Pancho, Pancho not photo. Was it Pancho Villa? Was it Pancho Villa? What the fuck is going on? I had so many...

You know, the thing that's fucked up about what you just said, Philip, earlier, like, I wouldn't hold it past them to do that. That's the thing. I know. I have so many questions on what was included in this photo. That was another one where I was reading it.

I was like, why would he give him a photo? That's weird. It was him holding the WCW Heavyweight Championship, and that's worth some money. eBay. That was it. Autograph. Look, guys, I made some baseball cards. Here you go. Signed photo from Ready to Rumble.

It's, yeah. It's title in Germany is President Evil. That's funny. All right. Pedro, what did you think about the tripper? Like I said, man, these films, you know,

you got to go in there and take them with a grain of salt. You know, they're just fun, wacky movies, specifically this one. I thought this is probably like, for the cast that it had, because they had a pretty good cast for the time. I mean, Jamie King was kind of big at that time. They somehow managed to convince like Paul Rubens to be in it, which was wacky as the, as the Carney promoter. They're just trying to make money, you know, with any means possible. Thomas Jane was in this movie. Like, you know, this is a, this is like prime Thomas Jane too

um Jason Mews Waltzs Walter Sargetti I mean this this is a very very good cast however the film looked cheap as fuck now I had to go into my DVD collection to watch this film

I don't know where you guys found it but I went into my DVD collection and it was dark like you can't see shit for half of this film oh no and also like yeah it was raining a lot but damn that I don't know I thought it was just very cheap looking. And then

I don't know, it brought me back to that era where like, when you don't have any money and you're trying to create a semi-watchable movie, you would use all those cheap graphics like I-Movie 5 and stuff like that from way back in the day. That's what this movie did. And it just looked cheap.

And then it was just such a random topic, right? Like this weird, like it was a statement against Ronald Reagan and how he led a lot of like mentally challenged people out back in the day. And one of them happened to be this fucking, the serial killer. Bring back the asylums. Yeah.

The dialogue was atrocious. There was a scene here where, like, I guess some guy is screwing some chicks in a van. And he's like, they opened the door on him. And he's like, when the vans are rocking, don't come coplocking. And I was like, what? And then, like, there was a part where Jason Muce is getting a blowjob. of all he just randomly walks into like this pot field and I guess they do explain that because I guess earlier in the movie there was this old geyser who like was growing pot in the back of his yard where we had like a weed farm so Jason Mews who of course is playing a pot hit because what else could he play right? What else could he plus?

He goes in there and he runs into this fucking field of weed and then he fucking they have that whole scene where he just fucking gets an orgasm and then a girl goes down on him randomly to his chick she's literally like there's no builder like oh there's the weed bam blow job yeah yeah a chick had

showed no interest in him throughout yeah so the weed he fucked where can I find this weed field

and then he says something to the effect of look at my weapon of mass destruction and I'm like this fucking dialogue it's so atrocious

but thankfully thankfully the tripper comes out and fucking fucks both of them up or he fucks the chick up because he runs away. Now, Thomas Jane is the most inept sheriff I've ever seen in a long time.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there a scene? Well, that seems to be a trope of his in a lot of his movies. But he, first of all the wrong moves, including, like, never making sure the killer is actually dead. We'll get to the end, which is fucking ridiculous. But there's a scene here where he saves, when he finds out what's really

what's finally happening, right? Where this guy that's dressed like Ronald Reagan, who he knows is one of the old like, it was a patient from a mental institution that was led out by Ronald Reagan. And he saves this old man and then

some dogs come out and attack and he runs away. Like he just, he has a gun, but he just takes off like a coward. That was like the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. He just takes off and leaves the old man there to fucking beating by these dogs. Anyways. Which makes no sense because earlier

when there was the scene with the dog, he was yelling at his partner to shoot the dog and the partner was like, I couldn't do it. So when you get a chance to, you don't do it. Yeah. But only that, he takes off like the coward. Like all the investment that we've had

this guy's character build up as a strong sheriff, trying to do the right thing. It goes all out the window. by a one second scene where he sees these two dogs and he just runs away to stick them behind, you know? The ending is also fucking ridiculous. So they have, so finally the big confrontation, right, between Thomas Jane and the tripper, right? Which is fucking the guy that's dress as Ronald Reagan. And so, well, first of all, when Jason Mules dies, his fuck is too.

So the tripper goes and he starts, he chops off his head. hand, right? And Jason Muses is like, oh man, what the fuck is wrong with you, man? As he looks at his hat and his scorting blood out, like he goes, because he always... That's first thing I said. I thought that was pretty funny.

But the ending is ridiculous because, so finally, yeah, they have the confrontation. And then Thomas Jane subdues the tripper. I'm just calling him the tripper just because I don't know what the fuck his name actually is. And Jamie King, who saw,

who saw our final girl in this situation, all of a sudden she just says she wants to cure herself. And she just, yeah, she just gets the gun and points it at her. And then Thomas James has to do her, which allows the tripper to come back and, you know,

regain his strength. And then, but then Jamie King attacks the tripper, and she hits them with these, like the flimsyest fucking ax shots. And you're thinking, like she hits them a bunch of, you know the classic scene where the,

where the final girl finally loses her shit? and she just starts hammering the killer and you just see the... So we get the same scene, except it's the flimsyest fucking shots you've ever seen. And then fucking... So then finally Thomas Jane Gates

gets her up and then he enmased the trip where he sees that it was the mentally deranged guy that was led out of the mental health institution. But he just... The guy's just knocked out because he's got... He rarely has to scratch on him. He just literally passed out. And then they just leave him.

there. So the ending of this movie is like the, I guess the deputy tells the sheriff he's not really dead and then he just shows him the mask. And then Thomas Jane just looks at Jamie King like, oh shit, I got to go tell her. And that's the end of the movie. And it's like, what the fuck? That's it. No, you get the Paul Rubin scene at the end. Oh yeah, the Paul's going to see that at the end. So Paul Rubin's, he's playing over the top, like I said, like a Carney promoter. Um, because they got. this festival there, right? Everybody congregates there because of the festival. And shit's going down. People are dying. But he wants to go through with this festival because

then he loses money. And of course, he's got the stereotypical, you know that little box with the Lockhee box with the money inside? He's carrying that at the end. Because that's literally all he cares about, right? And so at the end, when the tripper finds him, he gets a chainsaw, which works the first time he pulls the string, by the way, which bothered me for some reason. And then he just fucking changes them up. And Paul Rubin screams like a little girl. And then that's the end of the movie. And you see all the money flying everywhere.

And hundreds of dollars. But you know what? Here's the thing about these movies, though. And I'm going to go ahead and say like it is, I did not mind any of the stupidity. And I will say that slasher movies are the only fucking movies that could get away with that, at least with me anyway. Like, I still had a good time with it. Like, you know, it was watchable, you know? as much as stupid as it was as much as these characters

made all the wrong moves it was still fuck I still had a good time I think for slasher's to work inherently these characters have to be stupid you can't have a slasher movie without these characters making these fucking ridiculous moves and so like a guy co commercial yes and so I don't know man it worked for me so I had a good time with it so that's what I think about the tripper What do you all think? Brian, what do you think?

Yeah, I have to agree with everything Pedro said. It's been almost 20 years since I've seen this movie. So I almost forgot like all the people that pop up in the cast. So when they just started pop, because I didn't look up nothing when I was going in. I knew it was written and direct about David Arquitts. And had President Ronald, Ronald Reagan look alike as a killer. And I have to say...

And I have to say that he says a bunch of little one-liners, like Ronald Reagan would be back in the day, every time you kill somebody. Yeah, because as a little kid, that's what he was while. When other little kids were watching cartoons, he was watching Ronald Reagan on the news. I missed that part. I had a lot of fun with this.

It's not a good movie. It looks horrible. Pedro, it wasn't your copy that you had. because I had to find other means to watch this. And there was a lot of scenes, especially the scene when she's looking for help. And she, which I have a question about this scene, the scene where she all of a sudden becomes high off acid. What? How did she get, how did she get, how did she get dosed?

I don't remember. I don't remember. The tripper. It's like she's, yeah, it's like everybody's screaming. or not everybody everybody's partying you everybody's high off their ass and then she's

running trying to get help and nobody's helping her and then all of a sudden stuff gets all weird and then she's like I think she did get dosed man I didn't pay a ton of attention to this movie but I'm pretty sure

I remember her getting ghost yeah it just happened maybe you just have to be around that like that one's like that girl that got a horn you just being a wrong weed Yeah, because I don't know what... Check out my weapon of mass destruction. And she went for it, too.

But a lot of fun cameos, too. It's a lot of fun cameos. West Craven pops up in there. Oh, wow. Courtney Cox, because, you know, she was married to David Artec. at the time. She was the at the end when they were about

to shoot the dogs, the police, and she jumps and he was like, no, you can't hurt these animals. And then the animals attack her. Good for them. Man, I remember during that time, like David Arquette, he milked that marriage for everything. It was worth because she would cameo in every fucking thing

he was in during that time, including wrestling, by the way, because she did a couple backstage vignettes of when he was world champion. like, damn, he really milked it, which good for him, you know? Fuck it. But, because she was the biggest star in the world at that time. So, and I think this producer, he fucking had, he probably had sex tapes of a lot of fucking people because he got a lot of people to show up in this movie that had no point.

Yeah, like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, what's his name? I didn't even recognize him at first. Who was his name? Lucas Haas. Yeah, Lucas Haas was in his name. Best friend. He was already washed up by this point, though.

He was in the 80s. What is there little crew that got? The pussy squad or something, whatever they call him. It's like him and Lucas Hoss. He has Leonardo DiCaprio, Lucas Hoss, Toby McGuire. Toby McGuire. Maybe they all wrote for the Houston Chronicle. We don't know.

I don't know. But, yeah, I had a lot of fun with it. it's not the best but it's a like Pedro said it's a nice little hidden gem from that time period and it wasn't even a theatrical either because I remember when this movie

first came out it was it was just it was a direct to video movie so again with this cast it's just fucking weird and it's like yeah the bad filming I don't know it's also trippy that this would be David Arquette's like first project you know like why why this movie

why this subject so fucking random you know i don't know i think it seems strange yeah i feel like we can look through david archette's life and just ask why in a lot of places yeah yes that is true now now it makes more sense you're right if you're gonna do a shitty movie it kind of has to be a slasher dims the rules i don't make them or try to make a movie about a killer swimming pool that also get you to a shitty movie character. Get you on somebody's top ten list. I'm trying to keep record on this show of somehow bringing up night swim every single

time, every single week. Or a pet cemetery remake, but this time let's do it in Oslo in the middle of the summer. Grandma smells bad. That's not polite. Let me feed her. All right. Lance, what did you think? Man, you guys, you're going to skip over me.

I told you I had a super, super busy week and did not have time to check this one out. Oh, no. The way you guys are describing it, I can't wait. First, I've got to find a copy, don't I? Yeah, it's pretty schlocky, but I kind of had a good time with it. I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the movie, but I mean, listen, Jason Mues is probably not the guy I get to lead your film, but

if he does, you may as well throw Silent Bob in there, too. That would have been great. That would have been great. Jay and Silent Bob go camping. That's what they could have called this movie. That would have been, that would have been probably a better movie, but I kind of

want to see this. You guys are selling me on it. Yeah. But yeah, it wasn't terrible. I mean, it was, I mean, it was, but in an ironic way. How about that? I also think what helps this movie,

which is the opposite of our following movie, is that it never took itself too seriously. Like, it knew exactly what it was. And I think that it's more tolerable to put up with all these plot holes than just the ridiculousness of it all, when you know that the film itself knows exactly what it is as well.

Right. So that's something that this film did very well. Yeah, I mean, it was obviously a parody. and I mean, again, Jason Muse is leading the damn thing. So, you know, it's going to be kind of sloppy. There you go. But yeah, I kind of had a good time with it. Like, at first I was like, oh, great, a fucking political movie.

Here we go. And then it's like Ronald Reagan killing hippies. And I'm like, all right, I can watch it. Did Nancy show up and say, just say no, kids? Nancy was the dog. Oh, no kidding. Okay. But I also think that he says that and one of, before, before he kills him or after he kills somebody.

He has to. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They can't miss that on that line, right? I think he's like, Nancy says just say no or something like that. But he does say it. Yeah. But like that, that's, that's how bad the writing is.

It's, it's kind of great. And the Ronald Reagan mask looked nothing like Ronald Reagan, too, which was part of his charm. I love that. Yes. They didn't call him that. I looked it up. They didn't call him the tripper. They just called him Ronnie. Ronnie. There you go. There you go. The tripper was something they came up with after they had already wrapped filming and started smoking a bunch of weed. It's supposed to be some sort of weed reference because it did come out on 420 of 2006. I'm seeing it. But yeah, and then I'd be remiss if I didn't mention at least that Ronald Reagan.

when he was on his way out, did make a speech where he says, you know, he wonders how society would react to a threat outside this world. So just to throw a little alien stuff in there. Of course, you have to. You have to. But he knows that already because all the presidents are briefed on the existence of aliens. So he already knew that there was aliens. At least most of them, I don't know if they briefed Trump. That probably wouldn't have been the smartest move. All right, scores. Pedro, what did you think?

I'm going to go seven on ten. Sevens, nice. Yeah, I think seven's fair with the cast they had and what they had to work with. And it turned out to be a pretty, for me, a pretty fun film being at David Arquette's first time directing something as shitty as the production came out. And some of the dialogue, it still ended up being pretty fun. Yeah, like great cast for the time. Jamie King was like not even recognizable to me, honestly. It's been so long since I've seen her.

I'm going to go six and a half, I think, is more of a fair score. But I did enjoy it more than I thought I was going to. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. I can't wait to see it now. All right. Let's move on to fair. Founders J. from 2024.

You looking for a show? Things are really heating up in the race for mayor. We're just days away from going to the polls. Which is actually the reason for this weekend celebration, the tri-centennial. Town festival. With the mass killer running around. Whoever it is, is just getting showy. That's how these guys start to trip up.

I know there's a lot of speculation. I know there's a lot of rumors going around. that night. Let's all stay close to home. Don't let your children out. Stay safe. A small town is shaken by a series of ominous killings in the days leading up to a heated mayoral election. Director is Eric Bloomquist, also known for She Came From the Woods. I don't know what that is. I've heard good things about that, actually. Oh, okay. I heard about it too. writers are Eric and Carson Blumquist Well, second week in row

We couldn't find any trivia so we have a few IMDB user reviews Which should be fun Scream plus Purge plus Thanksgiving equals a flop I'm sorry Miss Jackson I am for real I don't I don't know why. Did Peter Jackson direct this or what? So bad we walked out not even halfway through.

Oh, that's... I don't understand what anyways. I paid a dollar to see this and it was too much. Okay, that I understand. Yeah, that I understand. The next one just says yeesh. If I could give it a zero, I would have. Because you could. I don't know why they can.

No kidding. It's IMDB. There's no rules. You could give it a zero if you want. The next one is unintentionally dumb. And ignore negative reviews. They don't get it. That's my Lance right there. That's something Lance would say. about night swim review that's why we're covering the IMD reviews

so we can be so let's see where we fit in on the spectrum Pedro what you think again as a slasher film so I think there was some merit to it I did enjoy watching it

but this is just a bad movie it's it's supposed to be a satire but it's a little too serious to be a satire. Of course, you have the usual tropes of the characters making all these dumb mistakes over and over. But even,

even like in the more, like, serious topics that it tries to tackle, right? It's like, if you're going to make a set, a political satire, like, take a stand. Like, this is one of the things that I hated about civil war as well. Like, it's, it's like we don't want to offend anyone, but yeah, we want to talk about something controversial.

So we're just, we're just going to stay in the middle. And the middle is boring. To me, the middle equals boring. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. Out of respect for that movie, I've got to say that, you know, they did take the side of war correspondents. So they're not really necessarily going to be on a side. They're just there to report what's happening. Okay, okay.

I mean, sure. I still wish there was a little more defined role within the politics of it. But anyways, this film does the same mistake in that you never really know why the community, the town, why they're so upset. You never know what these two politicians, what they want or what they don't want. All you're seeing is these very, like, one-dimensional characters.

That's what they are. It's like the mayor and the person that's running against the mayor, they're like the worst people in the world, you know? But you never know why. You don't know who's worse. Yeah, exactly. So what happens is that all these characters are just,

all these characters are just one-dimensional, like blanket states. That's all they are and so when they start dying it doesn't even really matter like like there's no investment The character and so I was surprised they killed one of them off as early as they did I was like oh wow I yeah I was security going right and and so that's why it leads to like some confusion because when everybody when all the characters are acting the same or they're all bland It's hard to keep up with them especially because this this film does have quite a quite a bit of characters It has all the teenagers, which the film also tries to be like this teenage drama as well. It tries to be this political satire.

It tries to be a slasher film. There's so many different things that it tries to be, and it doesn't succeed at any of them. Now, where the fun comes in is in the kills. Some of the kills are pretty fun. The killer is like a judge, right, with this mallet and the old classic white hair. I guess. That was part of my problem with it. It was the killer looked dumb as hell.

The killer was dumb. The mass was dumb. But the kills were pretty good. And at times when if all out fails with slasher movies, you focus on the kills. And if they're fun, then you get something out of it. But then it has this turn at the end. And I get it. I understand what the turn was trying to tell us that sometimes, you know, to get rid of all evil, you have to do bad things.

And to start over, right? because they wanted to start over. But because none of the characters mattered, that message didn't matter. So in the end, it was like a big waste of time. So I guess we're in the non-spoilers section right now. So that's all I'll say for now. But, yeah, I mean, again, slasher movies,

I always take something out of them, but this movie wasn't very good. Yeah, you had to dig deep to take anything out of this one. Yeah, but essentially just the kills. That's pretty much it. I mean, you know, that's all I got out of it. All right. Brian, I'll tell you like this one guy in the reviews.

I wouldn't be that harsh on it. Brian, what did you think? I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. You're going to give it a zero on ten. Oh, man. It's getting pretty close because I, there was nobody for me to root for in this movie. I didn't know the motivations of the killer.

Well, we'll get to the reveal. I didn't know certain people's motivations. I have questions, too. And granted, I didn't pay as much of attention to it as I probably should have, but I was like, I don't see where we came to the conclusion of just murdering a bunch of people was going to be the answer to this. Kind of weird, huh? Yeah. The cast to me was not good.

The only recognizable person I knew, and this was the, the teacher was the dad the father from boy meets world that's not much with claim to fame and honestly he was the only one

that was putting any kind of effort into his performance like you know I like his performance in this movie I did recognize the sheriff I did recognize the sheriff but I felt like she

I didn't know what movie she was in the way she was playing the role she looked very scream wouldn't you guys think and so did the Dewey type guy right? It was like all the scream elements were here. Yeah, oh for sure.

Did the Boy Meets World guy, did he have something wrong with one of his hands? What? I was a pan of tension. In every scene, like he had this weird, like take my strong hand kind of a thing going on. I don't know what was going on.

Maybe it was just me. or he had had a stroke at some point or something? I don't know, but it didn't look like one of his hands was working right. He looks... He maybe had a mid-stroke, man. I don't know, maybe. I mean, he had it during the filmmaking of that movie because it's just so bad. I don't know.

Anyway. I do agree the kills were pretty fun. There was another scene. He used, like, on the scale. you see in like lawyers and judges offices because he kind of swung it around like nunchucks kind of we're reaching but we're finding stuff

yeah give give me more of that kind of stuff yeah okay I was going to say that's a good idea but yeah most of what I'm going to say is probably going to spoil it even though it did get spoiled to me thanks Al in the message feed. Did he spoil it, man, before you get a chance?

Yeah, he chimed in what he thought of the movie before I was right before I was about to start it. Oh, no. When you watched the movie, you can obviously see where they're going with it. But, yeah, he did spoil it. Oh, Al. Al, Al.

All right. Lance, what did you think? This baby was fucking hot garbage, man. This is not just assuring night swim's not going to make the bottom ten. This may be just jettisoned. Night swim out of any possibility of hitting the bottom ten. This was terrible, and it's not just because it was a slasher movie, guys. All right, so we'll spoil later, right?

But even just the very beginning when you got that one scene on the bridge, you know, with the love lock that they're putting on the bridge and all that crap. And then you got all these people out there yelling in the street. What the fuck were they yelling about? What? Were they just anti-lesbian or? Yes. I don't know what the...

It doesn't agree with that relationship, yes. Is that what it was? I don't know what this town is anti-anything. Yeah, it's stupid. Yeah, it's like... Because when somebody runs for help, there's a protest going and they're yelling at it. each other about something.

Yeah. So much that they don't even notice this lady is talking about someone was just murdered. And I can't figure out through the entire movie of what are they arguing about who is opposed to what? I think what they did was they're going for the division in the country. Well, that's fucking terrible. And trying to be political. But without being political. Yes.

And I don't know. you need to tell us more because a lot of people rightly or wrongly are not in tune what was going on with the country just because they don't care or they're too scared to care or whatever the case may be so as a filmmaker is your job to present a better picture so that you could actually take aside because the point of movies is to bring emotion out of us right and it's like wait a minute i don't like this i like this let me and so this picture because it was so scared of rough of those feathers because of the pacification of america nowadays just decided, oh, I'm just going to keep it neutral.

And, and again, you lose all fucking semblance of a movie that way. Because it's like, well, then what are we investing in, you know? And that scene is a perfect example because, again, like you said, like, what the fuck are they arguing? Why are they in front of a movie theater? Like, it's fucking stupid. That's good point. Yeah, it's like they maybe don't step into the political territory if you're not going to choose a side. Because, like, you know, you choose a side, you lose half your audience.

But if you don't choose any side, you lose more. Not necessarily. Well, that's a good point. But, I mean, you never know, man. I mean, there's been some really good, you know, political movies that are considered classics now, right? All the precious. Well, no, like, if you choose a side, it's not about choosing sides. It's about presenting sides.

That's a difference. You present sides. True. You're presumed side. One side and another side. because no matter where you stand as a person when you're watching a movie, you're already invested in the movie. So either the movie is going to piss you the fuck off or it's going to excite you

because you're going to have some sort of cathartic connection to the movie, which is what you want, right? So the keys here is you present a side. Not necessarily. Yeah, but not necessarily you don't influence the side. You're not going to present any kind of biased information towards the site. I mean, you could if you want, but that's not what we're talking about. What I'm saying is at least give us something to invest in

Not just this fucking neutrality here Where it's like well we don't even know what the fuck's going on You know? I know it's just chaos And none of the filming was any good None of the scenes made sense the acting and the dialogue were just atrocious That's one of the worst written movies I can't wait to see the tripper To just see if we can give an Academy Award for screenwriting for that one after watching this

This is just really bad Nobody was good and then you got fucking and Nanya Taylor Joy, it's like, holy shit. Could they have made her look any more like her? I mean, I don't know. To me, it was very distracting. It was not a good movie. Yeah, you know what would be a good idea for a political movie if you're going to take

this route, I think would be like have an alien trying to pose as a human and navigate. That'd be great. And, like, knowing nothing about humanity and navigating the insane views of everybody. I think you just wrote a movie. You know what I mean? I think it would be great. But, yeah, yeah, it was, it was definitely not great. It didn't really hold my attention.

I wasn't super invested in the killer or any of the characters. like my moment was when well I guess we'll get into that as spoilers what little spoilers there may be yeah such as it is right yeah it's a tale of joy I'm looking through my NDP

I don't see anybody with their eyes far apart oh that was the one thing they missed they didn't get someone who had eyes quite far enough apart It has eyeballs that she has. The blonde girl, right? Which one? I hope so. I hope but not the African American

girl. Well, you never know. Blonde girls. The open-minded, man. Come on. Wait a minute. So, Lance, are you saying somebody looked like Anya Taylor Joy? I thought she looked just like her. Maybe it's just me. Amelia McCartney. Maybe it's because I came out of the

Mad Max trailer when I saw She's like in the Planet of the Apes last week. Anya Taylor Joy had a, had a baby with Sidney Sweeney. Oh, which doesn't sound like a terrible thing. No doubt. But yeah, it was okay at best.

It wasn't super ever. Kind of milk toast. I'm with Pedro. If they had taken a side or if they had actually said what those people were protesting about or whatever and fed back that back into the movie, it might have been worth watching. I think they needed to because they're, I mean, the way they went about it for you to figure out who the killer is, is, you know, if they would have did it that way, you could go through the clues and stuff like that, but. Good point. Real good point. Instead of coming out of the left field on that.

I'm still not sure I understand the ending, although, again, I wasn't exactly paying attention to the little movie. It didn't grab me. If I know you weren't exactly sober, Philip. Well, probably not. Let's call it like it is. This was a background movie to me, even though I paid for it. Understood. All right. Scores.

Pedro, what do you think? I'm going to go five on ten. Okay. That's, you know, nice good stradling there, Pedro. That's being generous. That's a slasher movie. I'm biased towards slasher movies. Um, so I'm going to go five on 10, but I could see if there's going to be lower scores for sure.

Uh, Brian. This is a two. Wow. It gets one point for some of the kills. I thought, I like the stuff with the mallet and the scale and stuff like that. I wanted more of that. And I gave a point to boy, it meets world dad. Glad you're still getting work.

Has ever been the history of this show, I'm sure there has, because. Lance is on here. Has there ever been a one on ten in the history of this show? Too Jennifer. Much lower than that. That movie two Jennifer, I think that's some zeros. That was probably the worst movie I've ever seen. Well, wait, what about the negative 10 for, um, what was it like Christmas?

Negative 10, Pedro. I wouldn't disagree with that for that movie. But, that's right. Well, but that was more because they did sort of pick a political side. And that movie wasn't trying to be political, but it was because it was woke. So there it is. To Jennifer, though, was just like, and I hate to keep dogging them. But, man, it's such a fucking bad movie.

It is so awful. It's like hard to watch bad. Wait, which one? Two Jennifer? Two Jennifer. Yeah. And what made it? Pedro, what made it worse is we paired it with the Unsane, the Steven Soderberg movie.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a good movie, I remember if I remember Craig. Yeah, we were like, oh, so this is what you can do with an iPhone, unlike Two Jennifer. What was it the thing that bothered you guys about, too, Jennifer? Was it the story, which is pretty bad, or was it just the film, you know, but everything? All of the above. Yes, yes, and yes. Boring and bad.

Which is like the worst combination to be. If you're gonna, if you're, if you're gonna be bad and at least, you know, like make me anger watch through it, that's a different thing. Well, it's also very mean, too. That doesn't, and I'm sure when you're already thinking it's boring is bad. And then it's also very fucking mean for no reason. Then it just makes the worse, you know? Yeah. I've seen all of those.

There's like four of those movies. You guys know that, right? Yeah, I've heard about that. Yeah. There's two Jennifer. two with the letter to Jennifer, there's four Jennifer, and I believe there's like by Jennifer,

something like that. But they all play off each other. And I don't even remember anything that happened in the person. Just remember. Let's watch it again, Philip. Let's not. That's my idea of hell

as just that movie on repeat. Another movie we covered a couple weeks ago. All right. Lance, what was your score? Oh, this is a one. Yeah, it's a one. There's nothing here for me, guys.

Why did you give it a one? What made it get a one? I'm going to say that just the super clumsy dialogue, the super clumsy acting, and the super clumsy scene. Well, that sounds like it should have got a zero. What positive? Oh, what gave it a one?

Nanya Taylor Joy was cute. Okay. Which we're still trying to identify, but you've been very big. That's right. Okay, so she was cute. Okay. Now here's where your grading scale gets frustrating, Lance. I'm going to tire right now.

Okay. All right. There's no way this, let me see if I could articulate it properly, because the number is going to confuse me. This movie getting a one out of ten and night swim getting a six out of ten, there is no way that night swim has one, two, three, four, five, there's no way that NightSwim is five points better than this movie and yet in your scale it is that's what makes it so fucking irritating

because Night's swim is at least a four on ten In retrospect, I think you're right What that does is that if you know what that did it fucked up by your six on tens going forward Because six on ten it's not it's it's washable and now every time you give a six on ten It's gonna be like it is watchable A Lance A Lant six on ten is a good movie Yeah

But Nightim is not a good movie That's the problem That's where he fucked that So Night Swim if it's This movie and Night Swim Are about three points apart Not five points apart

And that's Come on bro Night Swim Jesus What a boring fucking movie that was That was That was better than this one Yeah

Maybe not five points better is what he's saying exactly that's exactly where i'm at but anyways what's done is done right we can't harp on the past um it's it's out there on the internet forever now right we do our best every week like david like david arquette sex tape collection is that a thing i didn't know about that those people come out in his movie that had no money um what did he have um all rupert's though i can only imagine. I was going to say, I thought that was pee. So we have a 1 on 10, we have a 2 on 10, we have a 5 on 10.

What about you, Philip? I think I'm going to go 3 on 10. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the boy meets world guy did a pretty good job. that's what he's Because I was trying to figure out Through the whole fucking movie I was like I know I know this guy Right

And he's like He had throughout the entire movie I was like Is he one of the Dukes of Hazard? What is going on here? Who is this fucking guy? But yeah He did a pretty good job in the movie

I mean he was definitely The standout as far as the acting ability. The killer was... I didn't like the... I guess we'll get into it in spoilers, but I didn't like the way that they did the killer by the end of the movie, the reveal.

And I didn't... Some of the kills were pretty decent, though. So I'll give a couple points for that. All right. All right. Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned Yeah so I didn't like the multiple killer thing That's stupid It seems it's very scream-esque And I was like, I'm like, it's been done

I didn't like it because I didn't understand everybody's motivation to do it and if I did know their motivation I was kind of like that's not enough to murder somebody. Right. And like Brian like you were saying, had we had more

of a defined, you know, reason to cheer or boo these people, then maybe we would understand. I think there was this whole cleansing thing at the end, right? Where the boy was a bird, the boy old guy, he did all that so that he could get rid of all

these political candidates who were already corrupt, and it took a lot of, quote, unquote, sacrifice that he himself had to do in order to get there. And that's why it's supposed to have this big happy ending. But none of it resonates because what the fuck were we invested in nothing. So had we been invested in something, maybe we could see his point of view. The fact that it was just nothing, then it made it pointless. So I understand the ending. I just, it doesn't have any impact because there was nothing to report.

What was the daughter that supposedly was killed and was revealed to be one of the killers? What was her motivation? Because her brother's motivation was because she told him his girlfriend was cheating. So come get into this big murder scheme with me. Unbelievable. I think with her, it was just kind of like her dad was a bad person. And she just wanted to like fucking start over and shit. Because she has her whole villainous speech when she's got the, the, the, the,

girl on the floor, right? And she's telling her all that stuff before she gets killed as well. Yeah. And then they allude to his kid and the main girl's father, or no, him and the main girl's father had a relation, some kind of friendship or something. And if they fell out at some point, but they never reveal or say why. Maybe they thought they were going to give enough money for a sequel and they're not. So they left some loose threads. make him angry. So coming from, I didn't exactly pay attention. So the, from what I gather, the guy who wants to be mayor, okay. decided to murder a bunch of people so that he could gain power. And he

recruited a bunch of high school students to do it somehow. now. No, that's not what I got of it. What I got of it is the guy that wanted to be mayor was a bad person, right? And so was the mayor. And this other guy, which was the Boy Meets World guy, he

recruited a bunch of people. And then, so that way he could run for mayor. Yeah, well, that's, don't ask me why. And then he could, he could run for mayor and then he could bring peace to the, to the community, to the town. That's the whole thing. He wanted to get rid of the corrupt.

people by murdering everybody. Yes. But we can't be too hard on that because that's slasher movie logic, right? There's a lot of flasher movies are going to give you that logic. Because you also have to assume, right? You also have to assume that anybody who would have that plan is not a right-mind-in-the-way.

So they're going to be crazy as it is. So I mean, even if it's supposed to be a happy ending, the fact that this old man decided to do that to cleanse the town, it's pretty fucking dangerous and it's not going to lead to any happy ending, you know? But, um... Seems like there's an easier way. That is... Well, what is the way, though?

What, I'll vote them? That doesn't work? He's a fucking mayor, dude. It's not... He's not run for president. I could go run for mayor right now. I had a buddy that did. did in college. It was great.

Yeah, so that's pretty much the spoilers. I mean, there's nothing to talk about that. We haven't already talked about. All right. Well, that's the movie. So, if that makes any of you guys listening, want to rush out and see it. Where can they find this? Where can they catch this movie, Pedro? It's on streaming and through dubious means if you want to head on either route. Yeah, I think if you want to stream it right now, you have to pay to rent it. And it's, I would avoid it. I wouldn't. It'll end up in a shutter eventually or Amazon or one of these.

Oh, I'm sure it'll be free before in no time. They're always looking for content. They're always looking for content. All these fucking streams are. Yeah. All right. Well, as always, thanks for coming by, Pedro. We had a blast.

Always, man. Thank you for having me. We've been doing good at keeping it to an hour and a half lately. That's good. As far as you guys, thanks for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. Be sure to reach out to us. Next week might go longer than an hour and a half because Brian, I'll commit to the double-eyed feedback

because I know we got a lot and we'll read a lot of it on air. So listen for your feedback, guys. I hope we'll read it on air. Yes, for sure. Next week we're going to hit the theater again with The Strangers Chapter 1 and also kidnapped. So Pedro, until the horror returns again.

Good night.