The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #42: Battle Royale (2000) & The Belko Experiment (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

Nez joins us to talk about Battle Royale and the Belko Experiment. Thanks for listening!

Greetings, victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. For all of you who delight in dread,

fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out to review a brand new horror movie. And then we go back and find a classic work with similar things, themes looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also we want to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and the

political climate of the times. We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature. We will let you know before we do so. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, simply turn us off at that point, and we probably You'll promise you won't miss a thing. You can pick it up later after you see the movie like a lot of people do, I think. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, although tonight I haven't,

so it'll be these other guys talking about Battle Royale. So there will be spoilers when discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated. So you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. And tonight, again, we're joined by our good friend Kevin Nez, world famous Kevin Nez of the McNez podcast, E-Society.

What else you got going on these days, Kevin? And where can they find you? Oh, other than those two. Hey, everyone, thank you so much for letting me back on. I'm sure people are sick of me. Yeah, anytime, man. You can find me on Podbean or iTunes. Just look up Skater Nez podcast network.

I have two shows on there, the MacNES podcast and the E Society. I am also a part of the Horacopia podcast when we do my segment, The Native Side with Nez. So I'm on there. I'm on Facebook. up McNus Podcasts or E Society and Twitter's MacNez Pod and Instagram is just MacNez.

I think, I don't know, one of those. Other than that, man, I'm good. How are you guys doing? Pretty awesome, man. Rocking and rolling. Watching movies. What about you, Brian? You said the snow is melting up that way in Alaska, huh?

Uh-oh. Did we lose, Brian? I'm here. Oh, cool. It might have been some melted snow that landed on his fucking phone lines. You there, Brian? Pro-ro. Can you hear me?

There he is. There we go. Fucking a. So you said the snow's melting finally, huh? Yep. I say probably another by next month it'll be kicking it into springtime. Springtime. Y'all got bambis and all kinds of stuff running around out there, huh?

I got that now. Yeah, well, Kevin, I listen to your most recent show, and all I can say is, sir, you are a bullshit artist. Did you guys check that movie out, if any of you seen the greasy strangler? Unfortunately, it was on my bottom five of the year, man. I remember you're talking about it. I've never seen it. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to watch it yet.

Oh, yeah. Blonde Frankenstein and I did it on my last episode and he's the one that told me about it. So I watched the trailer and I was like, what the fuck is this? And then I found it, so I watched it and I was like, damn.

Everyone was Rand and Ravens saying it was one of the greatest movies of 2016. I don't know about that, but it was probably the weirdest one of 2016. I kind of want to watch it again. because I was kind of like just more grossed out and like what the hell's going on in this movie. But I mean, it, for what it is, it's cool. If you like crazy movies, check out the greasy strangler.

Was that your cool of the week? Yeah, was that your cool of the week, man? No. Iron fist. Oh, okay. The new Netflix show. I'm like halfway through it and I'm loving it. I don't know what the critics are saying.

that it's not good. I mean, I like it. I mean, the story is a little off, the Ironfish story, but in all these, all the movies we've had so far have been off anyway. So, I mean, I'm taking it for what it is. Right.

It's a good show. I think the only problem I have with it is some of the effects. It isn't, is a little cheesy. And, but other than that, other than that, man, it's an awesome show.

Is it offensive? I don't know maybe to martial art people these guys aren't fighting very good but I don't know but it's still good I mean it's not better than Daredevil but I like it so what do you what are you thinking like so halfway through do you think they're moving in the right direction

with a storyline you think the speed is just right or maybe the pace is a little slow or what's your opinion on that front I think it's going on a good pace I mean, each episode is kind of like, oh my God, I need to see what's going to happen next. And this guy, Theo, was telling me that, I guess he was on Game of Thrones,

but I don't remember who he was. But as far as the whole show, as a whole, I like what they're doing with it. And the characters are cool. There's a couple characters I hate already. But, I mean, overall, I mean, it's a good show. I mean, everyone, if you guys aren't watching any of those Marvel Netflix shows, do check them out.

Yeah, definitely. I'll have to check that one. I forgot it came out. What about you, Philip? What's your cool of the week, man? Well, I watched John Wick 2 again with my wife. John Wick 2? Cool. Yeah.

I mean, I know we already reviewed it, so I won't go too into detail, but it was pretty kick-ass. it is definitely the coolest thing I've seen this week because nothing has really happened in The Walking Dead yet They're setting everything up but nothing really happens And it's driving me nuts What about you Brian? What'd you check out man? I watched a movie and I caught up on a couple of shows Caught up on Legion

Oh yeah? Crazy, huh? Yeah, I might be ready to tap out Oh, really? I'm still liking it, but man, it's super fucking weird. Yeah, I mean, I'm not there yet. It's just, it just kind of seems like we're going back to where we was when the show started. And I kind of wanted to move on from there.

Yeah, they better start wrapping some stuff up. Yeah, exactly. And finished up with the show that I wasn't too keen on when it. first came out, a lethal weapon. Oh, yeah. The show actually... Yeah, it actually grew on me. I still say it's not lethal weapon.

Right. If it was something else, I think I like it even more. But it grew on me, and the season just wrapped up. Right. And the movie I checked out was The Girl with All the Gifts. How was that? It was pretty good.

a different take on the zombie genre. Yeah, I thought it was super interesting. I really like that. Yeah. A little slow in times, but like Phil said, it was real interesting their take on it. Yeah. What did you think of the plant zombies or whatever those were? With the fungus growing on them? I thought it was interesting. I thought the whole how it infects your brain and everything.

I thought that was very interesting. The whole thing with them smelling you and them wearing the gel blocker to hide the scent. Oh, yeah. I thought it was cool. You know, it was something different. Well, and then, okay, so you watched that last episode of Legion and they had. I guess there's an ant. There's some sort of fungus that attacks an ant,

and it grows up out of their head until it kills it and infects other ants. I was like, huh. I wonder if that's where they got the idea for that. Wow, that's a trip. I haven't got to that episode yet. Kevin, you tapped out of Legion, right? Yeah, after I did two episodes, and I couldn't get into it.

It's too scatterbrained. I'm going to go back to it, but I'm just going to wait until, whole thing is over with. Yeah, I want to like it. I really, really do. I'm still watching it. I'm still into it, though.

So, Brian, what was the coolest, man? What came out on top in your mind? Iron fist. Oh, okay. All right, so that's two coats for Iron fist. Yeah, I'm halfway through, too. It is a little slow. Right.

My only problem with it is some of the fight scenes. and the only thing I can come up with is they they kind of seem to cast I forgot what is Finn Jones I think is that his name? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think they casted him a little too late and he kind of just got rushed into training. But hopefully I think by the time we get to defenders,

the fight choreography as far as him will be a little bit tightened up. But other than that, I do agree with Kevin. There's some, there's some characters on there. I, I don't care for. Right.

But, um, you hate them in a bad way. Like, you wish they weren't there. Not like, oh, I really fucking hate that guy.

I hope he dies soon. But, um, overall, you know, I like the, you know, they're already connect,

you know, we're halfway through and they're already connecting into the other Marvel shows. So, um, yeah, I think, I think,

um, I think it'll pick up even more from here. So, um, um, can't wait to finish the season. It's pretty good. Why do they they refer to the Avengers?

They don't say the Avengers, but they always refer to that whole event as the incident. Why can't they ever explain it? From what I read, from what I read, yeah, from what I read,

they're really, even though it's all the same universe, they want to keep the TV stuff and the Netflix stuff kind of separate, which is kind of stupid to me. If it's all in the same universe, you know, why distance anything?

Right. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, does it? Yeah. It almost sounds like they'd have to pay for it if they called it what it was. Yeah, because I guess the actor Mike Coulter that plays Luke Cage, I guess he said, as far as he knows, there's no plans in the future for any of them to show up in a Marvel movie. We'll see.

That is kind of odd. It's kind of like when advertisers that, don't pay a certain amount of money. Talk about the Super Bowl, they have to, like, refer to it as the big game. Yeah, it's leading up to it. Yeah, it's just weird because, you know, they make, yeah, they make reference, like, in an episode,

they reference the Hulk. Right. And I'm like, you know, why, you know, why can't you, you know, do more than that except, you know, say stuff like the incident or, you know, things like that. It's just, I wish they would incorporate more. Yeah.

Gotcha. Yeah, well, my cool of the week, last week, if you guys will recall, I went way off the beaten path, and it was a completely non-horror movie. I was talking about a bigger splash. Yeah. So, I'm going to go ahead and do that two weeks in a row, because I checked a lot out. It's been a busy week, but I got to tell you, the thing that really hit home the hardest with me was a 2006 movie called Alpha Dog that I watched. Remarks. You guys seen that? Yeah, I've seen it a few times. Oh, man. Basically, it's and it's just like a bigger splash where it's not a horror movie, but it gets super

fucking dark about 80% of the way through. Just exactly like the other movie. I mean, really dark. And just turns into a like the other one turns into a completely different movie, but I forgot all about who all was in this movie, man. It was Emil Hirsch was the

main guy, Johnny True Love. And it's basically, basically just the story of these spoiled little rich kids up in Los Angeles that don't have anything better to do so they decide they all want to become gangsters. So you got to email Hirsch, Bruce Willis, Justin Timberlake, Harry Dean Stanton, Ben Foster, who's fucking badass in it. Yeah. Anton Yelchen, very, and oh, that's pretty creepy what happens to him in the movie considering what happened in real life. Yeah, that's a lot of people you end up hating in this. movie. Oh, hell yeah. Especially just in Timberlake, right?

Oh, yeah. That always, that scene always pisses me off at the end. Yeah. When he could have just let him go. Instead of just telling him, you tried to do the whole hey, why don't you go get me some cigarette shit? And that scene

always just pisses me off. Yeah, he had a chance to escape. He gave him an out and he didn't take it. Which, this is a true story. Yeah, I kind of got that feeling at the end. you know who I'd forgotten was in it was Olivia Wilde. Oh, was she? Yeah.

Also, uh, Sharon Stone's in his movie, too? Sharon Stone, fucking, dude. That hell of a cast, man. Amanda Seafreed, Dominic Swain. Who else? Speaking of dead people, Alan Thick was in it at the very end. Lucas Haas. Like fucking everybody showed up in this movie.

Amber Hurd? It was a trip, man. A very good fucking movie, though. Yeah. Very good. Yeah, and that, that, there's a couple of scenes in there with Timberlake, Brian, you're right, man, that dude was just, he wasn't stone coal like Emil Hirsch was, but he was just, I don't know, man, I got, I felt there at the end, like, really just cowardly. You know, he was there at the end when he was like saying, I swear to God, I won't, I won't let you get hurt and all that kind of stuff. And then, like you said, after what they did to the guy, um, Kevin, I'm sure you've seen this movie, right?

Yeah, I saw it a while back when they first. came out. The only one I remember in it was Justin Timberlake. Is that the one when he's all tatted it up? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

He did a really good job in that movie, man. That's the only part I remember of it. But I did like it because I remember our buddy and my, we went and seen it. Because I remember it coming out and I was like, Justin Timberlake, I don't know if I want to watch this. And then, yeah, he did really awesome. Yeah, there was some great acting in this movie, man. I was really surprised.

I hadn't remembered all those people. were in it, but that's my cool of the week. So, Brian, you got some headlines? The fly. Why? I think I've heard about that. Yeah, that was my next question. Do we need to fly remade?

The remaking everything right now, man. The Cronenberg version was perfect. Yes, it was. I heard the remake in the Matrix. Yep, and that is actually our next news item here. Hey. Warner Brothers is thinking about giving us more Matrix movies.

I don't mind more Matrix movies, but I don't want to see a remake with different actors. A little bit I dug up on it is they're looking to expand the series the way Disney expand is doing with Star Wars kind of with more, you know, get into more

characters and more other situations than... Different time line stuff? Yeah. Okay. There's an idea of a possible Morpheus prequel. Hmm. Okay. And the studio has expressed interest in Michael B. Jordan. Okay, I was going to say, man, because he's getting old.

That's my work. Hey, Kevin, what do you think about that, Michael B. Jordan for that role? Well, yeah, I mean, I like Michael B. Jordan. Right. As far as redoing the Matrix, it was perfect. There was nothing wrong with it. If you're going to remake any of them, remake the third one, because that was like my least favorite added any of them. Which one was with the old man talking for like 20 minutes at the end?

The second one. I'd hate that one. Oh, yeah, I don't like the second one either. That one just completely, that whole ending just took me out of the whole movie. Did you play the video game? A little bit. I never did. Because they were saying, all three movies, the video.

video game and the Animatrix it told more of the story to understand something I played the game, I watched the Animatrix, it still went way over my head. I got lost after the second. When they brought in the architect

and all that shit, I was like, what the hell's going on? I still can. I still don't know what's going on in that movie. Yeah, it was like a TV series that kind of went on too long. Right. And And from what I understand, the Wachowski's are not going to be involved with this. Yeah, well, they're too busy doing since 8 right now.

I think the new season starts in May. Yeah. So they, you guys hear anything about how they filmed that show, by the way? No. Any of you seen it? No, I've seen a couple episodes. I've never watched it, though. Kevin, if you like that?

No, not yet. Okay. It takes them eight months. film one season because what they do is they go down, because each of the eight characters resides in a different country. I think two of them are in the U.S., like one's in San Francisco and one's in Chicago, everything is shot on location.

So they'll go through and they'll shoot for like a month in Chicago, and then they'll move and shoot for a month in San Francisco, a month in India, a month in London, and so on and so forth. So I think it's like the most expensive television show ever or something like that. So, yeah, I'm sure that's taking all the Wolkowski's time right now. Okay, we are getting a sequel to The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, and it's going to be from the Don't Breathe director Fedé Alvarez.

Hmm. I think you told us about that a few months ago. Yeah, it is confirmed now. It's confirmed now, and the title of the movie is going to be called The Girl and the Spider's Web. and they are going Trilogy, right? Yeah, and from

what I read is they're going to completely recast everybody. Not good. They're not going to remake the other ones, the girl that played with fire or whatever and kicks the hornets nest and

you know, I think they're going in a completely different direction. That's a shame. I've read all three books and I don't see I mean well actually I guess the first one is kind of standalone but books two and three go together so I guess it makes sense that they would I mean you do it but it has all the same characters in it you know

I mean you never know they might they might combine like elements of the next two books into this story you never know right maybe that's what they're going to do is kind of mash them together or something I don't know but but I you know Fede Alvarez, I like Don't Breathe and I like the Evil Dead remake, so... Yeah. He's a pretty good director.

Okay. Watchman actor, how must fuck up her name? Malin Ackerman? Oh, yeah. I think she played Silk Spector. Yeah, she's been cast as the villain in the upcoming movie Rampage, starring The Rock. I can't see Mallet Ackerman as a villain Oh, I totally could, yeah

I think she can pull it off Although if she's the villain in ramp I don't know, this movie sounds super weird I don't know, I want to see a trailer Man dude, after rewatching all the King Kong movies I don't need Rampage right now I know right Yeah what do you think

Kevin what do you think about that casting man I don't know, but anything the Rock's in, I'll watch. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. I mean, I don't know about it. I mean, I love the game, but I don't know if it'll work as a movie. Maybe a kid's movie, but I don't know. We'll see.

See, I hope they don't go that direction. I was going to say, man, if they cheese it up too bad, like I don't like The Rock when it's too cheesy. You don't think so? No. Well, brought to you by the director of Incor. carnate, so how bad can it be? All right. Ridley Scott

says we are getting more alien movies. Awesome. And he already let slip the next movie is going to be called Alien Awakening. Which is going to be, get this a prequel to Covenant. Oh, that makes no sense. It makes no sense. Jumping around everywhere. I thought...

Yeah, I guess he has... was. I guess he has the next like four or five movies outline. Okay. Hmm. Which that probably means we'll never get the Neil Blom camp

Alien movie. Yeah, that's probably off the table now. Yeah. From the way it sounds. Which is probably okay. I like Permetheus. Yeah, I like Prometheus. Alien Covenant looks like

is going to be good. So if it's good, I'm, I'm all for it. He seems to be hit. in his stride again with these alien movies. Probably better than the Predator movies. Yeah, which they came out with some cast photos of the new Predator movie.

I'm really excited about that movie. Yeah. Who's the little kid? And why is there a little kid in this one? He's, um, oh my gosh, I can't think of his name. He was in that movie room with Bree Larson. Oh, okay.

The kid was a little here. Yeah. And they got, um, what was his name? sure. He was not John Bernthal, but the one from the movie. He's in The Predator.

Oh my gosh, I can't take it his name. Which movie? The first or the second one? The John Travolta one. Oh, Thomas Jane? Yeah, he's in the predator. So. Speaking of Ridley Scott, Theo brought this up on our last East Society.

I don't know where I, I I didn't read the article, but they were saying Ridley Scott was wanting to make a second part to Gladiator. I heard about that. Yeah, I was like, what? Yeah, I didn't read the story, but I guess he has an idea for it. Yeah, what if Theo said he said he got eaten by a line or something? I don't remember that shit. Theo sure remembered it, huh?

Yeah, I'm going to have to watch that again. I remember he died, but I don't remember. I thought he, like, got stabbed and just died from that. I don't remember him getting eaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he got, uh, right before they went out, right before they went out to the arena, um, Joaquin Phoenix character, like stabbed him in the side. Yeah, right.

I think he, after he killed Joaquin, he eventually just bled out. Ah, okay. So I don't, I don't know what the sequel was going to be about. Hmm. Well, maybe somebody ran out. there and stop the blood. I don't know. I mean, there's been some crazy things coming out. I, you know,

there's that story about Eddie Murphy wanted to do coming to America too. The first one was fine. Just leave that movie alone. Oh, boy. Yeah, on that note, that is all the news we have. All right, Kevin,

you ready to take a little trip? Hold on. Before we go, Jesse just tagged me in some kind of story. Did you, any of you watched the the MTV screen TV series? No, I haven't seen it.

I've seen that tag. I seen that tag. He tagged you. And I watched a little bit of the first season. I kind of tapped out. I liked it. I mean,

the whole MTV thing just kind of kept me away for it. Yeah. But then when it finally came on Netflix, I gave it a shot and then it just sucked me

up right into it. So I zip through the first season and then I watched the first season. The second season as it aired. And it was pretty good. For what it was, for a TV show, it was pretty gory. So I thought that was cool. I liked all the actors in it. But now, apparently, they're

going to redo the whole thing. I guess none of the actors that we had seen in the previous two seasons are going to be in it. And, but then if they do that and start over, they'd left us on a cliffhanger. So is it going to be what's, What season did they leave off on season two? Yeah. So is it going to be season three? Is it going to be season one of a whole new thing? I think it's just going to be a whole new thing.

But they better not because the way the second season, after the second season, they put out a special Halloween episode. It was like, I think it was like two hours, two hour episode, either that or an hour, I don't remember. But they can't, I guess they can if they felt like. like it, but the way it ended, it left like there's going to be more. There's going to be more shit going on for our characters that we've seen so far. Now they're

talking about just redoing the whole thing all over again, but I don't know. I mean, if they do it that way, I'll give it a shot. I don't know if I'm going to like it as much as I did the first two seasons, but we'll see. Yeah, that sounds kind of weird because, I mean, I didn't watch the show,

but I know it was a, uh, it was a pretty popular show. Yeah, I mean, I just thought it was going to be like the little teeny bopper C.W. Or ABC Family type of show. But once I got into it, I mean, I really got into it. And I enjoyed every episode. But I don't know. We'll see what they do.

I'm hoping they give us a third season and maybe kill off everybody. Then start over. Oh, man. I never got into it, Kevin, for those exact reasons, because I just assumed it was going to be a teeny bop for bullshit show. But I've heard a lot of people say it's really good, including you. So I may give it a try if I run out of other series to watch. But then again, that probably won't happen anytime soon, you know?

It's cool. I liked it for what it was. Right. So you ready to take that trip then? Yep, down to the trailer park. That's it. So that's where we take the little piece of paradise That's right man

Brian what's our first new trailer to talk about this week First one we're going to talk about is one of us Starring Christina B. Allen Derek Smith and Carly Schroeder One of us what is this the sequel to Freaks Finally Yeah that took So what did you guys think about this?

one. It looks interesting. Kind of away feel to it. Mm-hmm. I don't know really what's going on. They give you just enough info to where you're like, okay, I'll watch that. Right.

These cult movies, they just make me mad. And they just make, they just make female seem stupid to just fall into these whole cult things. Well, that's true. I got mad watching. this trailer. I was like, I don't know.

I like that kind of stuff, man. I'll watch it. I'll see it, but I don't know. I mean, it's just another these girls fall in love with the cult leader, and then it seems like they're

getting tired of his shit and they want to leave. But that guy I won't love that. That's what I where it was basically like a documentary about about trying to get these girls out of one of these places.

Yeah, I can't remember what the show was. I remember one of the girls got out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she wanted to go with her kids. But her kids didn't want to leave. They wanted to stay with their dad. And I guess all his wives and all their other kids. But once she got those kids away from him, they got a taste of the outside real world with video games and the mall and all that.

Those kids didn't want to go back. All the fun shit, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, one of us, I probably won't go out of my way to see it, guys. I mean, it's kind of like you've seen one cult movie you've seen a thousand, you know? I thought the best one I saw was, I think it's called Martha Marcy May Marlene or something like that. You guys heard of that one?

Oh, with Elizabeth Olson? Yeah, yeah, that was a really good movie. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, that. I don't know how I still watch Law & Order SVU. Right. Real life shit, huh? So if anybody's interested, there's no set release date, but it is due to come out this year.

All right, cool. Okay, not a lot of new trailers came out, nothing really interesting, so I kind of switched it up here. With the trailer I've seen, and I thought it was really, really cool-looking, baby driver, starring Ansel Elgort Lily James John Ham John Bernthal

Kevin Spacey Jamie Fox and Isa Gonzalez directed by Edgar Wright Definitely looks interesting man

very quirky cool kind of thing Yeah I'm I'm glad to see Edgar Wright back You know It's been a while

since he did a movie I think Oh my gosh I think the last one he was supposed to do was Antman before he left that project, so.

Yeah, that's right. Didn't make it through that one. Yeah, and this has got a nice, nice cast in it. Yeah, this one looks good. I like him. I like Edgar Wright. And I was just like, I'm after they showed everybody in it, everybody's pretty much a name in this.

But I was like, where's Nick Frost and where's Simon Pegg and all the other guys that he has in all those movies. Or is he only using them in that I can't remember the name of the trilogy that ice cream bar or whatever is. Fornetto? Yeah.

Little news on those guys. They are getting back together here soon to do another movie. The fourth in the trilogy, huh? I don't know if it'll be in that, but I'm sure it'll be good. Y'all hear some banging going on or noise in the background? You mean that construction work?

Yeah. Oh, man, I'm sorry. That was me. I thought I had my thing on mute. My fault, guys. I thought I was going to be the one with the problems. I'm literally inside my sister-in-law's tiny house in the garage because everybody's in the backyard having a party. And every once in a while, somebody will walk in here, but hopefully it won't be too bothersome.

But hey, much better. All right. Sorry about that, guys. Yeah, I clicked a little mute button on my headset. Apparently did not work. I'm sitting outside in my truck. There you go. Some of my wife's family did a sneak attack, and they're all at the house.

Oh, yeah. All right. Well, I think we're all going to check out. Baby driver, Philip, we got any feedback? this week? Uh, yeah, man. We got a whole bunch of feedback. Kevin,

Kevin's got something to chime in. Have you guys seen that trailer, uh, Phoenix forgotten? Yeah, I think we reviewed it last week. Did you? Yeah. It was last week or a week ago or a week before that.

Yeah. Okay. I don't remember that. I mean, that, I think that's the last thing that I saw that kind of got me excited. Uh, I like those,

uh, alien found footage movies. So that, That one seems cool. I hope it comes to Reno. Yeah, yeah. It looks like it ought to be pretty good. I mean, I'm sure it's, I mean, it may be a direct to VOD thing, but it looks cool.

I'll watch it. Even though we've got construction work going on in the background, we're still super professional, right? So we've got a new listener from Denmark. Lars Christian Detlifson. Sorry if I put your name there, buddy. Awesome podcast. dug it and totally agree about Kong. What a boring mess. No characters, no

story, no fun. Only like that long-led monster. Going to check out more of your episodes. Oh, that sucks. I still thought Kong with a lot of fun. There was only one important character in there and that was Kong. Yeah. Yeah, right.

Yeah, that's true. He was good in it and Kong and that was about it. Everybody else sucked. You guys heard the rumors about him getting a spinoff movie? John C. Riley? Yeah. Come on, dude.

I think that would be very interesting. A lot of shit went on during, how long was he there, 28 years? Oh, yeah. Oh, that could be cool. Yeah, guys, they've already made that movie, though. It's called Enemy Mine. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, good point. I would like to see that because I was hoping that that a Japanese zero guy would have lasted a little longer so I would like to see more of that or at least shown some sort of story of body mom I bet you there's some cut footage

oh yeah I'm sure there is stuff on the cutting room floor all right and Denny Louis always sends us good stuff Louis Lewis I don't know how to pronounce your name buddy I'm sorry by the way you're also on Beyond Pod 2

I pulled some strings and called in a few favors from Mr. Beyond Pod himself. Awesome. Appreciate that, buddy. Thank you. Kevin, you gave you some people this week. He posted that picture of Kong 76 and simply stated 10 out of 10.

Brian, I think that was directed at you. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Oh, Kong from 76, man. The classic, dude, 76 Kong. That was the best one. Yeah, your favorite, Brian. Yeah. I don't know about 10 out of 10.

That movie was hell of good. I love it. Yeah, I did too, man. All right, and we got Carl McCalla. Looking forward to this one. First watch, he's talking about the Kong episode again. First watch of the 1976 version, my take is the 33 is a classic. 76 is good beginning and premise,

but the execution kind of fell flat, somewhat by the limitations of the day. Yeah, I can agree with that. that. The poster you have was more than they did in the third act. 2005 was long but exciting and faithful update of the original. Still don't like the Kong ice skating date. It was definitely long. And 2017, I said I'll have to wait till Tuesday.

He's looking forward to coming back to the spoiler section. As always, keep up the great work. I appreciate it. Ricky Morgan. Said awesome jog on the Kong stuff. I love the 70s version so much. Audio sound is great. Ricky actually gave us some help to improve our audio,

so thank you, sir. See if we can edit out all that drama I had going on right now. Richard John Mulderick, Jr., talking about I don't feel at home in this world anymore. Watch this the other day. Elijah Wood steals the scenes he's in, and Melanie Linsky is amazing as always. Highly recommended.

I did watch that. It was pretty interesting. I liked it. Stephen Loblad, regarding Kong Week, says this is one of my favorite episodes you guys have done. Awesome. Yeah, Stephen's a long-time listener to your show, Kev. Yeah, he's a good guy.

Right on, Stevie Rock. Patrick Lear, again, feedback on the Wolverine Replacement. Oh, you guys are going to like this. He says, not Tom Hardy. What? Not Tom Hardy. Guess who his pick is? Daniel Radcliffe.

What? What's he going to wave his magic wand or what? Come on. Or Charltoe Copley. I'm not sure who that is. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. I mean, he don't have the size, but.

Yeah, that's what he said. Both of them would have to bulk up. And then he's asking if he saw Imperium. He says Daniel Radcliffe is pretty dark in that one. also in Skull Island I thought Brie Larson was hot but pretty sure that was her only job which yeah

sounds about right all right well that's it for this week thanks to everybody who reaches out to us we love the feedback and as always you can reach us on our Facebook or pod bean page or shoot us an email at

the horror returns at gmail.com or check us out on Twitter or Instagram and make you the feedback coming that's awesome I appreciate all of it. Cool. All right. So now it's time for our featured attractions.

This week we fight to the death with a new film The Belko Experiment, as well as the original Japanese film Battle Royale. And you guys are going to be doing Battle Royale because I did see it, but it's been many, many years. And the only thing I remembered is that some movie since have definitely ripped it off. There's no doubt about that. Some more brutally, than others, I guess.

But we'll start with the trivia, get that out of the way, then you guys can take over. Director was Kinji Fukasaki, also known for Battle Royale 2 in the Geisha House. Ryder was Kinta Fukasaku, also known for Battle Royale 2. And get this, Yo-Yo Girl Cop. Anybody? Kevin, you watch a lot of Asian movies, don't you? I've seen that one, but I kind of get it mixed up with other things I've seen.

You have seen Yo-Yo Girl Cop? I'm pretty sure I did. It sounds familiar. In April 2013, seven years after the film was put on the index for youth endangering media, the film was confiscated by the local court of Folda Hesse, Germany. This meant that no one in Germany was allowed to sell the movie, and all copies were to be confiscated by the police. Cape Light, the German licensee, appealed the ruling, and in October 2013, the court revoked the ruling.

As of February of this year, the movie is no longer confiscated nor on the index. An uncut release sometime in April of this year is planned by the publisher, and that's in Germany. Kinji Fukasaku has started work on a sequel, or had started work on the sequel Battle Royale 2, before succumbing to prostate cancer. He had shot one scene for the follow-up with Takeshi Kitano when he died. The film was completed by his son, Kinta, who dedicated it to his. father. So there's the connection there. So guys,

what do you all think about this movie? Kevin, you want to go first for our guest, man? I loved it. The second one, not so much, but for what it was, I knew it was a book. I didn't read it.

I actually didn't see this movie until after Hunger Games came out. A buddy of mine told me, he goes, it was a rip-off from Battle Royale, so I was all right so I found that movie and I watched it and I loved it I mean I thought it was an amazing movie I mean I've always loved

the Japanese horror and everything and this was just like a Japanese kind of action thriller I mean for what it was I mean it was an amazing movie but I kind of got that Lord of the Flies

type of vibe from it a little bit. Is there frogs? Around this sounds like I hear little frogs. Oh, that may be again. Man, I'm sorry, guys. I got family over, too. I'm trying to find a quiet place.

I mean, but it was a cool movie. I loved it was. I mean, the action was good. The effects were awesome. I loved how bloody it got. And there were some characters that you just wanted to kill right from the get-go. And the main guys I thought were cool.

I like the whole concept of the movie of them kidnapping these kids and forcing them to battle each other. Yeah, I have a question. What was the, this was my first time watching this movie. I loved it. I thought it. I loved the whole story of it. But I was a little confused of why they pick these kids. I was too.

I was going to ask that. At first, I thought I assumed. I thought they said it was a random selection, but then the teacher had made it seem like because this class particularly had no respect for adults. Yeah. So was it was it random or did they specifically pick this class? They picked them all.

From what I understand. It was like, yeah, these were, I don't want to say the worst of the worst, but they picked them all. I think they pretty much were because that one kid stabbed his teacher in the ass in the beginning. Yeah, what the hell was that? Oh, and then this kid shows up for the class trip. I mean, this is this is the worst of the worst right here. You ask me.

I mean, yeah, I mean, it was all planned out. They knew who they were going to take. Yeah, and this movie was super fucked up. Some of the, how not everybody got a weapon, really. oh yeah like the you snooze you lose yeah like

some got what what the main the main little couple that you followed throughout the movie that one got a pot lid and the other got binoculars yeah

that's a shitty weapon and I believe the kid that was the transfer student the crazy one originally he got a paper fan or something yeah

oh yeah I mean Right when they told them, all right, grab your weapons, man, you just, you go for the deadliest one. Don't go for paper clips, I mean. I, uh, I liked it a lot, man. I definitely could have used some more setup on it, um, because I was pretty confused at the beginning, too. Uh, and then, you know, anytime you're translating a movie from another language, it's, it's sometimes, sometimes some things get lost. So it might be because of that.

I don't know. Um. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. And The Hunger Games are actually a few of the books that I've actually read. I'm not a huge reader, but I did read those. And I wasn't as big a fan as the movie as I was of the book. This was like the Hunger Games book. Hunger Games was a direct rip-off from this one.

But it's kind of what the Hunger Games movie I thought should have been because it was a little more about... you know, being in the wild and the fight and the tension instead of, you know, the love story and all the stuff that goes on in the background. And this one had a bunch of little love stories and stuff in the background, too. Which didn't always blend real well with the movie, I thought. Some of it was kind of, they would just take off in a completely different direction for no apparent reason. But, you know, for what it was, it was pretty kick-ass. It was a good premise.

I really liked it. It was definitely Lord of the Flies-esque also. But it was good, man. I liked it. I'm going to give it a, hmm. Oh, well, Kevin, I guess you went first. You got to give the scores, huh? I'd probably give it an 8.5.

I mean, I loved it for what it was, but there was just too many stupid characters in this that I hated, that they should have died right from the get-go. Yeah, I would go 8.5. I think I'm going to go a little bit lower. I'm going to give it an 8. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed the story.

There was a couple of things I didn't understand. Like, apparently everybody's fast enough to run away from bullets. Oh, yeah. There was a lot of that going on. These dudes kept getting shot, and then they just kept getting back up. What kind of Michael Myers people are we got, we have in Japan here? that dude at the end he like gets riddled with bullets

and then he gets up and make a phone call oh don't don't forget the girl I guess she was supposed to be the slut or whatever she had like this yeah because her death scene she got shot a few times

and she just kept popping back up but um overall I really enjoyed it um it was brutal it was fucked up but um it had a

somewhat of a happy ending even though they ended up being wanted for murder which was pretty fucking crazy since they got put on an island to kill people yeah check out the second one

I mean it pretty much starts off where this one well not right right where it ends but it's the same characters that survived it starts off with them oh so it's a continuation yeah

okay I'd be interested in that. So I'm, yeah, I'm going to give it an eight. It was a pretty good movie. Yeah. Yeah, I, I'm going to go 7.5. I think the premise was super awesome. It was, I thought a really good movie.

It just was a little bit confusing at the beginning. I think they maybe needed a little more set up. It would have been nice to see some more, like, production in it maybe. But, you know, it was from 2000. and a Japanese movie, so what are you going to do? But yeah, 7.5, man. It was pretty solid. I like it.

I mean, I like what the Japanese filmmakers do when they make these type of movies. They're not afraid to use a lot of blood and gore. So, I mean, that's probably one of the main reasons I liked it. A dude that got stabbed in the nuts. That was fun, huh? Oh, yeah. You know that girl? You guys ever see Kill Bill?

Yeah. Yeah, that was the one girl with the squirrel girl outfit. Oh, that was? Yeah. Okay, I thought she looked familiar. That would be a Quentin Tarantino thing to do to go pick her up for a movie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think Quentin Tarantino was a big fan of this movie, right?

Have you guys heard that? It must have been. Yeah, I think he said it's one of his favorites. All right, I think that's all the scores, huh? Yeah. Cool. All right, so you guys ready to move on? Yeah, move on.

You guys ready to conduct an experiment? A belco experiment. Yeah, pretty fucking corny, okay. Look, I'm at a fucking family party here. Everybody's drinking beer. I'm on a strict ketosis diet, so it's like no alcohol. I'm like into day 13 to 30, so fuck it, man. I'm not even thinking straight now.

Speaking of not thinking straight You guys know who directed the Belko experiment This made up for that bullshit that he did before this one Yeah you told me before we started watching it That it was the guy that did the darkness Yeah yeah yeah yeah I was I was really fucking worried going into this movie So yeah Greg McLean also known for the Wolf Creek movies in the darkness But writer

James Gunn, who we all know and love for Slither and Guardians of the Galaxy. John Gallagher Jr. auditioned for a role in a previous film directed by James Gunn, but wasn't quite right for the part. However, Gunn thought, okay, so Gunn picked out Gallagher, it sounds like, said he thought he was the best actor he had seen in an audition and vowed to work with him again. Thus, a part was written for him. Michael Rooker plays Bud Malks, a security guard at the building. I don't think he's a security guard. I think he was maintenance.

He's a maintenance guy. Trivias a little off here. But anyway, this will be the fourth time Rooker and James Gunn have worked together. If you guys remember, Rooker was on Slither, Super, and of course Guardians of the Galaxy. And it looks like he's going to be in the new one, too. So those two work together a lot. So that's it with a trivia. Kevin, what do you think, man?

I thought this movie was fucking awesome. I loved it. It was a movie that we'd have seen before already. But I like the tagline they had on the poster, Office Face meets Battle Royale. Yeah, that could not be a better description of the movie. One of the bobs was in it. Oh, yeah. I could.

Yeah, I don't know the actor's name. I just remember him as O'Neill in, uh, John C. McGinley. Yeah, him. I mean, it was good. I mean, I thought it was good from beginning to end. I like that they didn't, uh, like pussyfoot around and make us wait for something to happen. It seems like it gave us a few minutes of who each character was and then just dove right into it.

Man, I was going to say that. It was just a little bit of set up, and then, bam, we got there. Just enough, though. Because the movie was really short, and I just loved it. They just jumped right into it and kept it going. I was pretty much, like, at the edge of my seat through the whole thing. I mean, you kind of knew what was coming, but I just, I think you just mainly more wanted to see the violence and the blood and gore. But this whole movie was awesome.

I want to see it again. Oh, no. Yeah, I really enjoyed it as well. I was kind of, I hate to say this, guys, I really was kind of going in, like dreading it, almost expecting it to be bad because of the McLean aspect of it. I was hopeful that the James Guns script would make it a good movie, but I wasn't really thinking it was going to happen. And I don't know, probably within five or ten minutes, like when he's driving in the car

and then they start coming into the compound, and they start coming into the compound, and they see those security guards there checking everybody. And you know something's up from the beginning. And then the tenseness just accelerates. It actually didn't go the way I thought it was going to go because I'm with you, Kevin. They jump right into it, man. They didn't pull any punches because I just kept thinking

they were going to, like, slowly work up to it. And then they kind of had a sort of a little surprise there that we'll talk about in spoilers, I'm sure, with, well, I don't even want to go into that. yet, but there were, I was definitely pleasantly surprised. Yeah, John C. McGinley was just fucking awesome.

He was, he stole the show, oh, Wendell. He was, he is a lot. I like him, everything he's in. Yeah, he was good, and then Sean Gunn that played the stoner guy, the guy, the guy, it's all in my head, man. It's all in my

head, man. He was really good. How long is that dude going to stay high? I guess the whole, well, the whole movie, but well, as long as he can, I guess, right? Yeah, well, I guess we'll wait to get into that until spoilers. Yeah, man, no, I liked it too. It was, I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to. It was, I'm going to say it's not going to be a classic.

It was nothing really super special, but it was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Yep, great way I put it. I loved the setup. I thought it was like, like, they. they wrapped up all little storylines, you know, right at the beginning and gave you a really good setup.

But they did it quickly and efficiently and then got to it. And I was like, I felt myself getting mad at some of these people, you know? Like in a good way. Yeah, I was into the movie, you know? I got to say, though, if that stuff happened to me, because, you know, you can't help but think, okay, well, what if I was here, what would I do?

I'd be up top smoking some weed and... Hey, if you want to come try to kill me, man, go for it. Until then, I'm just going to wait for my head blow up. Enjoy it long ago. Hey, it didn't hurt that they had some pretty cute chicks in this movie, huh? Yeah, that's true. I was trying to remember where I knew the main actress from, the one that was kind of having the office affair there with the main dude.

Brian, you should know this, man. Did she look familiar to you? Yeah, she's on a show that we watch. That's it. You figured it out? Yep, Emerald City. She's Dorothy, man. Oh, okay.

Gotta love Latinos. Oh, yeah. Brian, what do you think, man? Do you enjoy it? Yeah, I thought this movie was fucking awesome. I actually liked that it wasn't a long movie because I think we would have got too much to the characters

instead of the main plot. Right. And I thought everybody did an excellent job. There was people in this movie that I was rooting for. There was people in here that I was hating so much. And it just really makes you think, you know, if you're in that situation, you know, you really never know how people are going to react. Right. Until you're there.

Yeah. And I thought it was funny. and bloody. And there's a lot of stuff I want to get into, in the spoilers that I hope doesn't happen in the future, which I've heard gun talk about. So I'll say that for spoilers. But, yeah, I really had fun with this movie.

Yeah, I enjoyed it too. And the guy who was the CEO that, it's not a big spoiler because they said it real early in the movie, but I think he had like some special forces training or something. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that, I mean, what a douchebag, huh? No kidding.

If you guys have ever seen my wife watches the TV show Scandal, and he plays the president in that, and he's a fucking douchebag in that show, too. So either this guy really is or he's a really good actor, you know? The movie I remember him, don't laugh. Patrick Swayze's Ghost? Yes, yes. He was an asshole in that movie.

He was the guy that killed Patrick Swayze or had him killed. Oh, that was now. He looks like an asshole. He looks like an asshole CEO, man. They cast a perfect person. Yeah, great casting in this movie. You guys ready for scores? Yeah.

Kevin? I'll give it a nine. I liked it. Wow. Shit, that's okay. The reason I give it a nine because of all the goryness and the blood. I mean, I thought they didn't pull back. I would love to see a director's cut of this because I'm sure it's more bloody.

I mean, I liked it. I mean, it's not a spoiler. I mean, there was a scene where the guy's head, the back of his head was blown out. I just like how it looked. Yeah, it was pretty gory. I'm going to give it, I'm going to go down to a 7.5 again on this one. I think that, you know, again. Yeah, it was a really good movie.

It was really fun to watch. I'll absolutely watch it again, but it's not going to be on my list of, like, top movies. Right. Maybe for the year, but definitely not like all time. Okay. Yeah, I mean, 7.5s are a really, really good score. Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it. You should go watch it.

Yeah, it's actually the same score that I give it. And pleasantly surprised, because I was, I was fully expecting to have a three or a four on this thing at the best, so considering the director. So I'm not saying he's particularly saved himself, but I'll at least say that I'll definitely give him another chance after this. I think maybe, I think though anything James Gunn writes is going to be pretty good. If I had a problem with anything, it was at the very, very end of the movie,

and we can go into that a little bit later. Okay. I'm also going to give it a nine. Wow. This movie hit all the right notes with me. Again, I said it before. I liked the time limit of a movie because they just got right into it. Right.

And it was a nice condensed story. And, you know, it just went from beginning to end really smoothly. I thought everybody did good in it. Really good. Some did, you know, better than others. John C. McGinley, as we talked about, the guy that played the C.O. or CEO or whatever. Right.

Everybody, I got what I expected out of everybody. Yeah, the blood and the humor was there for me, and I'm a giving a nine. Yeah, that's start right. We didn't really talk about that. There was lots of humor in this movie. Very, very, very, very nicely done. So two nines and two seven and a half. So probably top, maybe top five at the end of the year for you, Brian?

I don't know. It's, it's starting off a really good year. And we haven't even got to the summer yet. But it possibly, possibly. All right. Well, we'll see. So you guys know what time it is now, for sure. Spoiler time.

It is spoiler time. So let's hear the alert. A motherfucking. A motherfucking spoiler alert. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right. Who wants to get the ball rolling? I will. The first part, it was kind of in the beginning. Right after all the shit went down and they ran into the kitchen.

The main guy when he was looking for a knife to cut open the back of his head to pull out the little, the little bombs they stuck in there. Yeah. He ran in there, started throwing things all over the place, trying to find, and then he found that little box cutter. Right. But shortly after that, when they went back into the kitchen, it was like he went through every drawer,

but there was clearly a magnet strip on the wall with a bunch of knives on it. I was like, why did he grab one of those? He like tore the whole kitchen apart. Yeah, I don't know, man. If I'm going to cut my head open, I'll probably rather do it with an exacto knife than a fucking butcher's cleaver. I mean, other than that, I mean, fuck, I mean, I think that was one of the things I had a problem with. But one of the things I did love is how it made you kind of feel for each character.

I mean, even though they just kind of give you just a lot. little bit. I was just like, all right, like the older lady, the bigger lady with the redhead lady. Oh, yeah. I like felt bad when she died because she was like super nice and everybody was nice to her. And then her head blew up when they started blowing up everyone's heads. Yeah. I felt super bad for the new girl because that was her first day at the job.

I so expected her to make it. I don't know why. She kept fucking moving around. She found like three or four awesome hiding spots. And then kept me pretty smart. It's because she, for some, I think she had had an urge to get involved and help people, you know, especially when, you know, she turned the lights off. See, I felt like I was, I was trying to, I was trying to, you know, predict the end of the movie, I guess. And I felt like they set it up to where you would think that she was going to make it.

Because she was hiding from everybody. All her scenes were kind of separate from everybody else. And then in the very beginning, when they asked her about her implant and her head, she just sort of like nodded and smiled. And so like maybe since it was her first day, she forgot to go do that or something. I thought she was a local. Oh. Go and said, no, you don't have to come in today. So they made them all go.

I thought she was one of the locals there. So I was just assuming that she was going to be the last one standing. I thought she did a good job because she was playing the game right. She just went and hit. Yeah. That's what I would do. Didn't bullshit with all these groups, but it was mainly because she didn't know anybody. So she kind of just fended for herself.

Another thing I had a problem with was, what was there like maybe 10 to 12 floors in this building? Right. But they only covered like the main floor, the roof, and the basement. And there was like hell of places in there to hide. Yeah, that's true. Lots of hiding spots. Yeah, so I don't know.

But the new girl, I kind of felt bad for her. I thought she was going to make it. But then she got took out like Leonardo and the departed. Oh, yeah. As soon as the elevator's doors open, bam, I was like, oh, we! I think she was other than the older lady who got killed. I thought when she died, that was like just a shock. Right.

Yeah, it was definitely a shock. She was starting to make me mad, though, just because she kept moving around. And she's like, you know, monkey barn across the elevator thing, across the elevator shaft. That's where I thought she was going to buy it right there. And she still got, like, fucking heels on. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah.

Like, what's up with that? Yeah. How did you guys feel about this organization that? that's conducting these tests. I'm glad he shot everybody. It's definitely, if this movie does well, I don't know how it's doing so far. I'm sure it couldn't have cost too terribly much to make, you know?

I mean, it's going up against Beauty and the Beast, which obviously it's not going to win the box office, but if it makes a profit. My theater was slammed with everybody there to see that. Oh, no, yeah. Oh, beauty. Yeah. I can hear them next to people. Okay, not Belko.

But no, Brian to answer you. to your question, I could, I could see them making this into a, into a, you know, a series of something, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What I thought they were going to do, because at the end when the main guy was fighting with the asshole guy from the ghost, when they were crashing around, they turned on that projector, and then it said, oh, we got 40, we got more offices than 40 other countries. I thought they were going to go. I was like, okay, well, I heard the rumor that there was. was going to be a part two.

So I was thinking, well, when they said that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I was thinking, are we just going to see the whole fucking thing all over again? Well, I mean, we, we, we've, we just seen it. But, I mean, I would watch a second one if they just did the exact thing over again with a bunch of new people. But I liked how, how, how they didn't do that, how, um, is it going to be, the next movie, is it going to be all the survivors? and how are they going to bring them all together to be? See, I thought about that. I think it would kind of go, because I kind of feel like they select, they personally selected every one of these people to be in this building because of their personalities.

And I think that's part of the test because they wanted to see what they would really do in this situation. I don't think they were just hired randomly. I think they were specifically selected each in it. Because like you brought up Lance, how they mentioned, the C-O guy was a trained military guy in his past. Right. And I think these people were selected, and I think it would kind of go against the whole idea of this test

if they just take these people that are clearly turned into killers and throw them in together because what are they finding out? Because they're already turned them into killers. Yeah. I feel like if they're going to do a sequel, it'll be like the main dude. and he's going and trying to take down the corporation or something. We'll see little bits from some of the other experiments.

Another thing. Is he the only one that took out the guys that were running it? Because in the video screen, you see all the people that made it. But I'm sure they didn't take out the guys that were running their building. Right. Yeah, it was more of like a network. It wasn't like, and that's one thing I was thinking about that last scene there where it showed all the different screens. Yeah.

I got the feeling that it wasn't the same exact game, the same experiment. I got the feeling because it looked like it was different setups everywhere. It didn't look like it was necessarily a corporate group. Like wasn't there one with a little child and there was one with a guy that was crazy and just staring at the camera? And there was another one that was just sitting there with blood all over him. And he wrote on the wall in blood, behind him, please forgive me. I don't know. I just get the impression that there's all kinds of these weird fucked up experiments that they could do that are completely different from this one.

They would make a really fun series of movies. Yeah. It was like that stone guy wrote the whole thing. Yeah. If you go back and look at the logo for the Belco, the Belco Industries logo, it's an eye. Mm-hmm. Because they're always saying they're always watching. Ah, okay.

All right. I mean, when you said that they randomly, I mean, they specifically picked people to be in this. Right. If they did that, if they did that, they only picked like a handful of people because everyone else that was in it, like, ladies and some of the other computer nerd guys. Man, I don't think they, I don't think they, hey, okay, we need this older lady and we need this young nerd guy. I don't think they picked them. I think the ones that they picked. Okay.

The ones that they picked was the guy from Ghost, the dude from Bob from office space. Okay. The buddies that he had that were right along with him. I think they picked them and the, what's his name, Michael Rooker. You know. I'm so disappointed he didn't last that long. I know I was going to say that too.

That was my biggest fallback for this movie, I think, for me, is that they killed off Michael Rooker so fast. I was like, oh, man. really? It was a good death scene though. Hey, but to Kevin's point, I think that makes a lot of sense, guys, because you notice that they had that control panel

so they could, they picked and chose who died. They picked and chose who was going to be the cannon fodder, and they basically were, it wasn't an experiment, they were controlling the goddamn game. They were setting up who the survivors. So I think what Kevin said is spot on. I think they handpicked the five

or six that they kept to survive to see how they were going to do. Yeah. And who was the dude that was running the whole show at that building, the guy with the scarred-up face? I know, right? I feel like I want more. Yeah, I want more of him. I want to figure out what he's about.

There was a lot of stuff there. He must have survived a previous game of some kind, previous experiment, but just barely. Maybe he got burned or whatever. But there's two, guys, there's two things I want to talk about. The first one, I'm going to gloss over it because it's not that. big a deal. And I think this might be where you could see the director wasn't quite up to par with what the writer had in mind. Because that very final scene where he carried the explosives in and he said he'd planted them on everybody, I didn't find that particular scene to be too believable that

he could have gotten to everyone and put a device on each of them. What did you guys think? I thought he did a good job. I mean, he, when those two soldier guys were bringing them in, they were just like holding them holding them up but i think he did it um right before they grabbed his arms because he kind of like fell to his he fell to his knees and then he could easily did that in the scuffle um same thing with the main guy with the scarred up face man he kind of charged him grabbed him and easily could have stuck it in his pockets i mean i that to me i thought that was um was more of a shock i wasn't expecting that i mean yeah right when they when they sure when they re-back and when he said he put them on you and then they kind of flashed back.

I thought that was cool. I mean, I did like that scene. Yeah. Like I said, a tiny gripe. But the part of the movie that I really love guys is when they had, when they were in the second group where they had to kill 30 of them or 60 were going to die. And you were at that final scene where it said, you have killed 29 people. You have two minutes left to kill one person.

I was thinking for sure somebody was going to fucking eat it, you know? And then when the time passed and they actually exploded 31 other people, man, that was a nice twist. I really enjoyed that. Yeah, and I'm looking up the actor's name. Tony Goldwyn, that's the guy that played the douchebag. Right. I thought he did an excellent job because there was a moment there where he tried to have a little bit of compassion when he was choosing the people. Because he, you know, he tried to separate him in groups.

and it just the number just wasn't adding up and it just got to a point where it was just like fuck it okay I'm gonna start choosing people yeah well and you know realistically I don't think they're gonna go all Lord of the Flies like that if that actually happened

I mean I probably aren't just going to immediately go to all right we're going to start killing we're going to line up some innocent people and start murdering them I figure a group of adults in that situation is that's probably not going to happen but it makes for a better movie.

So, I thought, I thought, I thought, what's her name was going to take a turn there? I think, what was, uh, Lee, I think her name was Leandro, the main girl. Oh, yeah. Dorothy? Yeah, because there was a moment there where she, where they were, her and the guy were having a fallout. Because they were, she was basically like, you know, we need to entertain all options here. Oh, you know what I did when that happened? I threw my hands up in the air and was like, fucking women.

You're going to be pissed at me now? Are you serious? I think the only people I felt bad for that died were all the older people. They just seem like they did. I don't think they had it in them to kill anyone. Yeah. I mean, some of the younger guys were like, fuck it, man. I'm not going to die.

So I'm going to start killing it. Some of them were emptying out buckets of water. Yeah. Did you realize the only people that are. None of the other office workers killed anybody other than the CEO guy and his dudes. Yeah. I thought at some point they were all just going to fuck it turn on each other. I'm glad that they didn't.

It seemed like it was going to happen, didn't it? The only one that killed somebody other than the CEO guy and his crew was Michael Rooker's apprentice, that weird guy. But I don't think he meant to kill him. But I thought that was, I thought that was an awesome effect. He, like, lost it, and then he clubbed in and just the effect. I know it was CGI looking, but I thought that was cool. I thought it was, too, man, I really liked that scene. I thought, I didn't like that guy.

I think he was in, in the dark night. He was one of the Joker's guys. He was also an ant man. Yeah, I don't, I don't like that guy. He just seemed like a weirdo. and he did a good job yeah he was good at this he he played the

right role for this one all right you guys got anything anything else you'll want to dive into uh I think that's it yeah pretty much covered it definitely a kick ass movie a lot better than I expected it to be

yeah I think we're all we're basically all saying go see this movie yeah definitely for sure yeah I want to see it I want to see it again. Kevin, you got anything else coming up, man, besides, did you get caught up with Game of Thrones or what?

No, I stopped after season four. But we know that season seven is coming in July. So I'm going to probably, as soon as I'm done with Iron Fist, I'm probably going to jump back on the Game of Thrones. All right. So it sounds like Brian and Philip, you guys are both going to finish Iron Fist. I'll probably watch it over the next two weeks or something like that. Yeah, me too.

You know, I was going to watch it anyway. Fuck the critics. Yeah. You know? You guys got anything else you want to talk about? I want to tell everybody, thanks for following all the pages. We've had an increase on all our social media pages, and I just want to tell everybody, thank you.

Cool. Yeah. I'm ready for him to blast me on, uh, making all that fucking noise in the background now. It's coming. Guaranteed. It can't be like all the noise that I made on.

I think it was the last one I was on. I don't know. When I was like banging all the silverware together. That's not what I was doing. All right. But hey guys, man. Thanks a lot for letting me come back on. And as far as the shows that I'm on,

uh, Magnus podcast and the East Society. Um, just look me up on Podbean or iTunes. Uh, I'm on there. Um, but as far as what's coming up on my show, I don't know. Theo's in charge of the East Society. Um, I think I, I'm definitely going to talk about Bilko. And, uh, he went and seen, uh, Beauty and the Beast. So I'm going to see that, but I'm not going to rush out to see it. Yeah. I know those, those two are coming up as well as every, all the other TV shows and he has me watching. But hey, thanks a lot for letting me come back on.

And everyone do check out my shows. I mean, they're cool. And you guys are always welcome to come back on. Brian, Lance, you guys were awesome. Thank you for doing the episodes. Phil, I need to get you on one someday. Yeah, man, I'll make it happen. Working kids, dude.

What are you going to do? Yeah, exactly. All right, well, hey, you're awesome. Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, man. We appreciate it. You're welcome anytime, brother. Right on, guys.

Thanks. And also welcome as all of our great listeners. We love you guys, and we definitely appreciate the feedback. We want more. So if it takes Philip an hour to go through feedback, we'll take an hour to go through it. So we like to hear what you guys have to say. We appreciate that. And, of course, as always, we do want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns.

You can always reach us at the show. the horror returns at gmail.com also if you want to send us an email uh of course you know we're on facebook and all that look for us on itunes rate us and review all that good stuff now we're doing something a little bit different next week um this is going to be kind of a uh it's going to be our belco experiment i guess wouldn't wouldn't you say brian uh we're not going to be killing anybody but yeah this is it's going to be an experiment says you hey but there is going to be elimination involved. Am I right? Yes.

Somebody's going down. Elimination. There's going to be one winner. Yep, there is going to be a lone survivor. We're going to be doing a first annual March Madness episode. So we're going to have an even number of people with us and we're going to basically break down.

What is it, Brian? Is it top 32 horror icons or villains? Yeah, villains, I believe. All right. So basically, we'll, we'll start with the field of 32 and eliminate our way down to one champion. So we hope you guys have a lot of fun with it. I know we're going to have a lot of fun recording it.

But again, it's going to be a little bit different. I know Brian's got a lot of good movies planned for us for April and going into the summer season. So we'll be here. And, of course, we, again, like to hear from you guys. So until the horror returns again, good night.