The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #424: Porno (2019) & MaXXXine (2024)

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

Pedro joins us this week to talk some adult films with Porno and the brand new Maxxxine. Cool of the week includes the city of Toronto, and Axel F. Trailer is AfrAId. The podcast spotlight shines on The Corpse Cast. And we get feedback from Matt Wood, Denny Luis, Marcey Papandrea, Xim Vader, Nez, Keith Howley, Michael Feeney, David Stern, Don Lowery, Mike Cianci, Peter Zubko, Rafael Jimenez, Maura Cole, Matt Fox, and Greg Wiseman. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I'm Lance. With me as always, my co-host, Brian. Phillips out doing post-hurricane cleanup. Damn glad I don't live in Houston right now. And we're joined by our man Pedro. What's up, man? Oh, just right here trying to make sure that I sound good or decent, you know, so I apologize. Yeah, just just yell really, really, really loud right into the microphone.

All right, but the important question was, did you check out the movies? I sure did. I saw, I just finished porno right now, which is, I don't know the name for a movie. I mean, I try to find out, I could have some research on this film and it's not going to happen on Google. I'll tell that right now. I was going to ask you how many questionable movies did you have to scroll through on TV before you got to the actual movie porno? It came up because there's not a lot of like film. Right.

But I mean on the other hand, that was that was cool. All right. Well, so we're here to talk a new movie this week. And Brian always matches something up with it. So he had to find something in that in that adult film industry, I guess. So had you seen Porto before, Brian? Yeah, I've seen it when it originally, I think it was a shutter exclusive. Yeah, I thought so.

And so I was very, I was surprised to find it not on shutter. I had to go over to Tube for it. Yeah, that's the streaming thing. You got to get all the streaming services, but then now they're making deals for their original content to be on other platforms. It makes zero sense. That's very weird, very strange. All right, well, we're going to do Cool of the Week, but Pedro, did you want to go into Texas Frightmare weekend since you're the only one of us that made it? Or did you want to cover that later?

No, no, we can talk about it now. We've been waiting for that conversation for what? About a month now, something like that? At least two months, wasn't it? I think Frightmare was early May, and we're in mid-July now, right? yeah yeah so so yeah so yeah so i was able to go just because i had some time and i was like um you know continuing with that whole trying to hit every make-meekly ballpark you know um and so i was like i'm gonna go watch i was gonna go watch a ranger's game and then i was like wait a minute that's

texas's part in the weekend so you know thankfully nes and all of you guys actually hooked me up with some tickets and uh and i went and i had a good time um now i will say that nes had to told me. That's what's like, because I told them, because we have Monster Palusa here twice a year. Okay.

And that's pretty big. It's a pretty big convention. And so I had asked them, is it better than Monster Palusa? He's like,

no. He's like, I like that one better. Like, okay. Okay. So is that, so is that one,

uh, sorry, Pedro, is that one in L.A. Or where, where is that one? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I went with an open mind I was like all right It still is Texas Bright mirror within the communities

That's such a big reputation I also wanted to go check it out And I went And I had a good time I bought some stuff Usually that's what I'm not into the whole Collecting autographs bullshit or picture shit Or you know I know people love it

I think Ness is into that Yeah Ness is into that Yeah our friend Fonzo he loves to eat pretty much you know, has a whole community built around that. But so I went there and it was, it was smaller than I thought, which is saying something because a lot of people say that it's huge, right? Mm-hmm.

They had to move to a bigger venue for it, but it was essentially just one floor of sellers. And usually Monster Palusa has a couple rooms, a couple of big convention rooms. So that was interesting. And it was also interesting to see different sellers, like local sellers. from Texas, which is something that, you know, you don't get here in California. We get the local southern tier from California. So it was nice to see that, you know, different

sellers, different art. And of course, you had the usual, you know, because I still collect physical media, so you had vinegar syndrome was there, Severin was there, Ero was there, and I always stock up, you know. I don't

do that, you know, I mean, I don't know how you guys, you know, keep your movies, or if you really could collect movies, I don't trust that screaming library shit because one day, you know, just turned that shit off and all your collection is gone forever, you know? And then like we saw with the French connection,

you know, we're living in the, you know, we're living right in the middle of the classification of America. So now these films are getting edited. You know, if they're streaming, they're edited. And so to me, it's like I have my hard copy of the French connection. My Blu-ray, I don't have to worry about it.

I have the authentic piece of art. Yeah, without the changes. You know, you can't, you go to the Disney Plus, and there's movies you can't even see anymore. And then some of them have trigger warnings before. Have you guys noticed that on some of the Disney cartoons? Yes, very close 87 things. Well, that's how old turn that we see. So, yeah, so when I go to these conventions, I stock up, man.

I go there with my budget. I buy a lot of films. specifically like horror B movies that are not very easy to find you know um so i did that i i think i picked up cemetery man um which is a that's a good one shout up to lars uh bryn wasn't it larz from denmark that hooked us up with cemetery man oh yeah when we did that commentary yeah yeah so so that one that one um severan put it out beautiful 4k version of it um god got a special feature stuff like that Again, if you're a nerd for that stuff, you're going to eat that stuff up all day.

I also like to buy some art, like, like, see some part, like, like, drawings and stuff. You see all that in the conventions. So I did that as well. And it was a good time. It was always a good time to go these things. The only thing that that really hit, and again, going back to the collector, like the autographed fee, I really do feel that we're in this point in the horror community where a lot of these, promoters. I don't want to say actors

because I'm sure they're not really even involved with this. They're just going charge with a chart. But I feel like we've hit a point where they really take advantage a lot of the fan base. You know, somebody's price, you're talking about paying $100 for a picture

or for an autograph. Yes. In many cases, yeah. Yeah, and I understand, I mean, like I said, Bonvo loves that stuff, Nets love that stuff. But I also feel that the Horde community is very much like OCD

and they need to have that stuff sometimes. And I think they get exploited, right? I mean, these promoters are like this is gouged. Let's gouge them. Yeah. I'll be back. So, you know, and also just, you know,

coming from the background that I came from, you know, which is pretty much like the streets. You know, I know all the hustles. You know, I know all the carnival tricks. and so and being a wrestling fan and being a history of wrestling too because wrestling is very much

a form of entertainment that its primary focus is to take your money you know and so I just started noticing that and I was like that's kind of messed up because it wasn't always like that you know I remember when I started

No it wasn't right they used to be free you used to pay to get into the convention and then the promoters would pay these actors and then they were just signed for free. And as the years have gone on, it's gotten way, way worse, you know?

Yeah, little by little, right? Like some years it might go up five bucks, some years it may go up ten, right? Well, as I was doing my research on this because I came back and I was like, where did this start? Where did we take that turn to our work gouging

the horror community for their money? You know? And I think, it was the walking dead the success of the walking dead it all comes back to the walking dead Brian yes because like trip on this so you had

somebody like a Norman readers right or somebody like sure I don't think or Nick no even even pre Negan right so but these days they came in here and they started charging a hundred bucks per right

because they were the biggest television show in the world and then somebody like a Robert England or somebody like a Bruce Campbell, they're looking at that and they're like, well, I'm thinking this community. So why am I not charging that or more? You know?

Sure. And that's the scale started going higher and higher. And so because, you know, they prey on the scarcity effect. The scarcity effect is a whole psychological trick to where you tell someone that there's very little of this particular product. People are going to tend to want in full, you know?

Yeah, makes sense. Like comic books or anything else, right? Yeah, exactly. So I think just praying on the fan base like that, that's what I was noticing. You know, I was like, God, these people are wasting. They're dropping like thousands of dollars on one convention, you know. God bless them if they could afford it. But then I'm thinking, how much of this is voluntary and how much of this is an addiction to needing to have this?

You're going deep. You sound like a true story. You sound like a true psychiatrist. Yes, no, and I was honest with that. And so that's kind of my takeaway from going to sex. But it's just a fun time. And again, I am for those people that have never gone, you know, you don't have to spend your money on autographs or spend your money on pictures.

You can just go and walk the floor and just... Oh, yeah. Lots of fun to be had. Lots of fun to be had. You can buy drinks, get drunk there, whatever you want, buy some shirts, you know. Yeah. But more importantly, be good. that communal experience that this convention is because we need a lot of

like-minded people that like this stuff you like so I had a great time and I don't think I'll ever go again though not just for the convention because I feel like it wasn't worth just going for that but that was my first one ever as far as Texas Fright mirror and you know I don't know I think I think I think it's worth the price of admission at 40 bucks And so, yeah, that's kind of my takeaway. But I didn't get to buy a lot of food stuff. So that was nice.

All right. So you came back home with more than you arrived with, it sounds like. Yeah. That's always a win, right? Yeah. Till you check your bank account the next week. That's never a good. All right, man.

Yeah, I came back with some good roux. I came back with some print. I bought a Sam, a Tick or treat, kind of a nice little friend and kind of sitting down. Nice, okay. And some Halloween three stuff. So yeah, it was nice.

All right. Well, we're glad you showed up, man. We actually had a horror returns presence there this year, which is nice because we couldn't make it. So, you know, as they say, maybe next year. Or maybe we'll all meet in Vegas whenever they open this universal park there. What do you think? I wouldn't hold my breath, my breath.

that day it's supposed to open like in the next year isn't it yeah yeah but that's not why i wouldn't hold my breath i wouldn't hold my breath it's hard to get all of us together in one place it is it can't it can be sometimes you wonder if sometimes you kind of wonder if we're like you know the same the same person or something right that's what we can't all be in one place it wants or something we'll make it work it's hard because everybody has their lives and you know shit comes up and we're also far away from each other too you know especially not in the east coast now you know so it's challenging yeah i'm i'm pretty much as far as what southeast as you can get in the country and brian's pretty much as much northwest as you can possibly get yeah yeah i'm

the challenges are there i'm by as farthest west as you get so uh so yeah yeah that's true yeah i think vegas will be our best bet we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes no commitments on air we've done that before and been and felt bad for doing it so we won't do that but Pedro I will say this I am very grateful that you know I got to hang out with you

in Salem that one day so that was nice yeah we got locked in a we got locked in a haunted house and then we went to the wrong haunted house where it was just like a bunch of pilgrims just kind of remember that there was nothing scary about it it was just a bunch of

like Manitin. I do. I thought it was on. So you walked in there. Oh, that was bad, man. Yeah. But so hopefully maybe it'll be, it might not be the entire crew,

but maybe it would be a couple of us in there, you know. Let's make it happen. So I know you got a cool of the week, Pedro. What is it? Well, I just came back from Toronto. I went over there to check out the new Jays. I went to go see Money in the Bank Live, which was pretty awesome.

That's the WWPAPE, by the way, or P.L.E. Or whatever the fuck, they call them now. And I saw Maxine there in Canada. So that was interesting. Seeing it with a Canadian audience, you know. And so, yeah, so I haven't been able to watch any films because I've been on the road for about the last week and a half. It's a little jet like now.

But, yeah, just going to Toronto. and experiencing a different culture, you know. The exchange rate was nice for me because, you know, I was paying less. I came with my credit. That's always good. Yeah, that's always good. You know, little things that you notice, little differences.

Like, for example, they have this trolley there, right? And this might be just the Toronto thing. I'm not saying it's a Canadian thing, where the trolley navigates to the middle of the road. But there's traffic. both sides. So whenever the trolley stopped, you have to make sure you look to your right so you won't get hit by a car. That's interesting. That sounds pretty dangerous. Yes, but they do have, I don't know if it's like the gentleman's agreement, because I didn't see

any sign. But when the trolley stopped, the cars automatically stop behind the trolley. So there's no way. Wow, okay. But there's no signs for that. So it's got to be something that just they just do out of courtesy and they'll be running people over you know yeah common common courtesy huh just

it's just word on the street is that's how it's done the hospital so let's not probably stop yeah that's probably but the people were great I had some great conversations with everyone there

and yeah I got to see the Toronto Blue Jays I went to the Skydome which is called the Rogers Center now but it's probably going to be the That was the place of WrestleMania 6th and wrestling at 18. So it was, I was pretty nostalgic to go to that place.

So yeah, so like I said, oh, I saw the bike riders. Do you guys catch that movie? This is Tom Hardy, right? Yeah, yeah. No, I haven't seen it yet. I've heard good things. It was okay. Yeah, no, I enjoyed it for what it was.

No, it was good. It was good film. Not what I was expecting. I was expecting more of an action, you know, fighters on the loose, kind of like the last... Like Sons of Anarchy? Yeah, like last piece of sense of anarchy. That's kind of what I was expecting. Right.

This is a very grounded drama, you know, very grounded drama. And it was two hours. It was a good movie. So people haven't seen it. They should go check it out. So I did see that. But again, I haven't had a chance to see much, much movies. And that's rare for me because I pretty much watch a movie a day.

and they saw Maxine, we'll talk about a little later. So, yeah, that's my criminal week. Okay. Brian, what did you get, ma'am? I got a show and a movie. The show I watched was, I just seen that the second season is about to wrap up, so me and my daughter were looking for something to watch.

So we started the first season of Reginald the Vampire on sci-fi. Oh, man. Have you caught this one, Pedro? No, I have not. I hadn't even heard of it, Brian. I think I saw the poster. Is it more of a comedy? Yeah, it's more of a comedy.

Light on the horror. I mean, it's very heavy in the vampire lore. It's about this guy, Reginald. He's kind of a loser by, I guess, society standards, doesn't have confidence, and he gets in a situation where he gets turned by a vampire. thinks everything's going to be great with his new found powers but finds out the vampire community doesn't accept fat vampires

so their body is shaming him isn't this the same kid that was in the terror movie that we saw that was so terrible yeah Ned from Spider-Man yeah so he can't they don't want a fat vampire huh? Frank he'll suck all the blood or what I guess there's a reason why

all the movies, all the vampires are sexy because that's how they want it. They don't allow anybody that's not good looking into the ranks. It's a decent show. I would say watch it. You can watch it with the kids, but there is some sexy time in there.

No nudity, but it gets to the point where maybe there should have been nudity. Okay. But it's a decent show. It's not the greatest, but it's just one of those where you just keep watching the next episode and

see where it goes. So we're probably be finished with season one. I know season two just wrapped up, I think, a week ago or this week or something like that. Oh, perfect. So you won't have to wait then for the

episodes. Yeah. And my movie that I caught this week, I think you also caught. I think we watched it on the same night. Beverly Hills. cop Axel F. Oh man, you took my cool of the week. Dumb as

fucking name, but I thought the movie was fun. It was a lot of callbacks, a lot of a lot of actors they brought back from the original movies. Not quite the same tone

as those first two, but I won't say too much because I know you're probably going to talk about it. But it definitely was a step up. from that third one because that third one is just god awful. Pretty, pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah, that third one was so bad.

I misremembered it. I thought for some reason I thought he was, he played like a, like he lost his job as a cop and he had to be a security guard at a six flags or something. No, he was like a, it was like a, not police chief, but he had like some higher ranking.

Okay. But he was not, not the, we're talking about Judge Reinhold right? Yeah, Judge Reinhold. Yeah, he was not... He looked terrible in this. He looked like, he had some Mickey Roark action. He looked like, uh, one too, he went under the knife one too many times. Yeah, but it was, it was crazy gun toady Billy, though.

Not, not, not crucified whatever version of him they made in the third one. So, I had fun with it. Yeah, have you seen it, Pedro? which one uh axel f the beverly no no actually i want to watch um i want to get to watch all the other ones before the park one to three okay because i haven't seen them in so long so um i'm trying to i'm trying to catch up on them and then i'll watch axi but i know it's gotten some good reviews yeah yeah when you watch that third one it'll make you appreciate the new one a whole lot more that's what I heard

yeah I love the music in it because they used a lot of the same the same songs from the other movies the music that was big in the 80s and then Brian they had those like over the top 80s bad guys like kind of like

from um shit what was that movie we saw uh Suzuki man the one we saw just a couple of weeks ago help me out here man Suzuki man the bonsai man what's his name

samurai man did I miss a show what was what was that trauma movie oh kibuki man kabuki man kabuki those

those over the top bad guys with the hair you know that they look like they're out of a street fighter video game or something yeah the story of ricky rickie oh no but you sound a lot louder man you found my

I've been fucking with this that's why I've been so quiet I've been trying to but I we're good we're good we good yeah no we're so what was it Brian Sergeant Subookey man right

oh that's right that's right I forgot yes I heard that show with Terra firmer as well right where everybody buried that was yeah that was the one that was the one

but these these villains in Axel Axel F to me a real remit of like those 80s, you know, bad guy villains. Yeah. They're all doing cocaine, but then also going and working out in the gym after they do their line of coke, you know, and getting up in everybody's face. They're all scared of Chuck Norris.

Well, the minute they showed one particular pretty famous actor, Brian, didn't you pretty much know he was going to be the main bad guy? Yeah, he just has that face. Right. Was it the guy from Norris? Oh, BARD. They should have brought him. Was he in there, Brian? The TV executive.

Oh, the guy that kept calling everybody a jockass. Yeah, that guy. It was somebody a little bit more famous than him. Yeah, you know, I think you'll enjoy it, Pedro. A lot of 80s callbacks. I wanted to watch the first three again. Because one of the things, too, that I heard that there's so many throwbacks, right, like you were saying, even like, sure.

Like the music. So I think I would benefit from just watching all the other ones and and I haven't seen three and maybe since it came out when I was a kid. It's been a while. But I've seen part one a few times and part two is okay. So yeah, so I'm going to do that. Cool. Yeah, it's definitely my clue of the week. I don't know if it was really that great of a film, guys.

It was just. It was fun though. It was the greatest hit. right that's sometimes we got to just accept the greatest hits and and go with it can't hear you lance oh lance yeah we can't hear lands oh there i gotta get i gotta get a new microphone we're on fucking life support tonight fuck is going on we'll make it through yeah also um you know i wanted to send a shout out to phil he's not here because um you know i guess they had they had the hurricane over there and where he's where he's you know his neck of the woods

so he's been dealing with that so you know shout out to Phil and uh we miss him here this week yes we do well Phil's uh probably clearing trees off of his yard and shit like that right now yeah so i'm sure i'll have my chance here in florida before hurricane seasons over petro you know you know i when i went to texas uh the i aforementioned Texas Frightmare weekend. My goal was to go to Dallas and check out the Rangers and then go to Texas Fright Mere and then rent a car and go down to Houston to check out the Astros because that's another ballpark I haven't hit yet.

But that was... Not come both out. But that was the same week where they got hit with this massive like storm where like they had no power. The city of Houston. This is about a month ago, a month and a half ago. So I canceled it because I was like, I'm not going to drive down there and, you know, not be able to do anything.

So, yeah, so it just, that part of the country always gets hit with some brutal weather, it seems like, you know? Yeah, seems that way, man. Things aren't getting any better either. Do you all still have glaciers up there in Alaska, Brian, or they all melted now? I don't know. Are we starting to see those pyramids that Hitler was experimenting on? Oh, no, that's in Antarctica, never mind. The Stargate?

Have the ice melted away and the thing has come out yet, Brian? That was last year. Can you see? Okay. All right. So that's already happened. All right, Brian. Hit us up with some headlines.

All right. Good thing we're recording today, not yesterday, because there would have been no news. Let's see. The Conjuring 4, the final installment of the series. So they claim. Yes, I was going to say. It's a September 5th, 2025 release day. Now they're saying it's not the end of the Conjuring universe,

just the main series. Yeah, well, the last one wasn't that good, so it's about time. Does it bother you a little bit that they're bringing the same director back? Yeah, it was the last one. But they seem to do that. They have their in-house guys,

and they seem to use them over and over. So I just got used to it. Yeah. And also, like, are there? they ever, I don't know, maybe this is the MCU fanatic in me, but are they ever just, are they ever going to try to connect? I mean, I know, I know that they introduce whatever, Annabelle or, you know, Lyorona or whatever, but they've never made an attempt to actually make a cohesive story out of these. It's just, okay, you met this particular spirit in this film, now they're going to get their own

film, and that's how they're all connected. But I wonder if they're ever going to try to connect them all to where we see characters from every film, you know, because that would be interesting. And I thought that's what they were headed towards, but they just never get there. It's how it was just the Conjuring Universe. Yeah, they had announced a TV series, and I thought that's maybe where it was going to start. But that was like pre-writer's strike and actor's strike. And I've heard nothing about that series since then. Yeah, I think, and this is just, I might be completely wrong.

Maybe I just Mandela affected myself. But didn't the priest from the nun tag out to like a curandero? in Lyorona, like, he was in the first half of the movie. He's like, I can't help you here, but this guy can. And it was like some, like, Latino guy that just knew about Lyorona. I think that's, I think I remember that. But yeah, same character, same actor. But then later they said Lila Rona was not connected to the conjuring universe, even though that character showed up in that movie. Oh, see? I don't know. That don't make sense of it. But, uh, but I mean, I'll watch it, of course, you know, they, they already got me hooked, even though I would say, I mean, honestly,

there's only the middle Anabal movie was really good and the first two conjurings were really good other than that I don't really like any of the other ones yeah I was gonna say those those non films are horrible

I mean they're just bad you know they supposedly the second one was gonna come with all kinds of improvements better story and it was the same shit as the first one maybe even worse yeah I think you just summed up our review about the nun too because I felt like I just I didn't watch the first one before watching the new one

And I thought I was gonna forget some things But watching the second it was just like watching the first one all over again Yeah yeah it was basically it was basically just the guy from the first one getting possessed and trying to deal with it But yeah it was they both suck Yeah Pedro do you remember Because I brought it up on here I think a couple weeks ago I think a couple weeks ago 1981's possession

Yeah that's a great film yeah because we reviewed it and apparently i'm the only one that remembers that we reviewed it and that's that's a film you you can't really forget no you can it's it's a classic actually that's that's a very very good movie it's it's an actual like real film and it has a lot of great themes in it you know um so so yeah no that's a great movie yeah well a couple weeks ago we talked about uh the possession was getting a remake and uh robert pattenson was aboard to produce it and Parker Finn the director of both

Smile movies was a boy on a came aboard to direct the movie and it's just been picked up by Paramount Pictures okay well we'll see how they changed stuff because the first that the original has a lot of themes of like abortion

and divorce and it's a very very powerful film I can see by the look on Lance's face he really doesn't remember reviewing that movie which one of you are talking about. I walked in late. I had to go get a drink. Possession from 1981 with Sam Neal. I don't remember that one

too well. I don't really remember it too well. The main actress has a rewatch. Very memorable sex scene. Yeah, Sam Neal. Sam Neal's in it. Sam Neal having sex with the thing or what? Oh, the actress. Rewatch it, Land.

I guess I have to watch it again. We'll probably end up doing a revisit, even though we reviewed it. We'll probably do a revisit. Like we do everything else. Okay. Well, the revisit will come in handy because you and Phil completely don't remember ever reviewing that movie. No, we

don't. Yeah, it's there's also a lot of symbolism in that movie. There's like a monster that comes out, you know, in the middle of it. Or at least the actress, I don't know if she imagines it or it's there. I'm sure she imagined it, but again,

there's a lot of metaphors on marriage and, you know, abortion. So, so it's, I love that. Yeah. That film was so powerful that, and it was also so, it caused so much harm to both Sam Neal and I think it was this, Isabella, Johnny, who was the, the acting. Yeah, I'm looking it up right now. Okay.

And they refused to talk about it to this day. They cannot talk about that film. They will not talk about it. That's not, because the director was one of those directors, like the altour kind that was very demanding and he had his vision. So, so he was very aggressive. with them during the filming of that movie and to the point where they're like now they just it's so traumatic that they just won't talk about it and um so it's for people that haven't watched it watched it they should check it out it's i i like that film all right i don't see how the remake is going to come nowhere close to just being that dark you know it's going to be more i don't know i don't know if lightheart is the word but it's not going to be a comedy 1989 horror comedy is that it'll be like porn or a horror comedy yes All right. Let's see. Maggie Jillinghal's, I don't know if this is her directorial debut or if she's directing anything before this, but she's doing a movie called The Bride, which is basically the Bride of Frankenstein. Oh, God.

We've been hearing about this one for a while, but I thought other people were attached to this at one time. So is it going to be the actual Bride of Frankenstein, or are they going to skirt the law? suit by, you know, kind of like that film where the little kid is like the evil Superman, that they can't call him Superman, but we all like, Brightburn. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if it's going to be that or, you know, an actual bride of Frankenstein. Because, yeah, I've heard other people are working on Bright of Frankenstein because they kind of want to. They're not going to resurrect the dark universe because I think that flopped and they're not going to go back to it, but they definitely want to start again, you know, to kind of bring those IPs back.

Yeah, I'm looking it up Because I'm trying to see who This is coming out by I know Christian Bail is going to be the monster Frankenstein And I'm wondering That guy used some horror credit there Brian By calling him the monster because he is not Frankenstein people

That's right This is not through Universal This is through Warner Brothers Oh see then it can be I don't know I don't know how I don't know They have so many deals and mergers nowadays That you just never know Yeah. You can go to Universal Park here, guys, and they've got, like, all the Marvel characters, like, the X-Man and the Hulk and everything there.

And yet, that's all owned by Disney now, but not for theme parks, but Disney is allowed to own. I don't get it, man. Disney is allowed to own, like, Guardians of the Galaxy, but not all the other characters? First of all, Lance, you Mandela affected yourself. right now because you did not see the X-Men. You saw the Hulk. Oh, no, I absolutely saw the X-Men. Really? Absolutely.

Yeah, there was a kind of Wolverine costume, and there's a Professor X with the Beast and one other X-man behind him, like painted on a mural on the side of a building. So it's sort of there. Well, there's not an X-Men ride, but the X-Men are represented there, for sure. Does they have been?

Are they called X-P people or something? Yeah. I don't, maybe. It's just their likenesses. They don't show the name. No, because we do know that Universal has the rights to the Hulk. We know that. That's why Marvel cannot make a Hulk movie. Yes, yeah, they have a Hulk roller coaster. They have to kick them down and they don't want to. Free fall, right? Right. So, but I don't know that. The X-Men is weird because Fox's on the X-Men and Fox has nothing to do with Universal. Yeah, it's very strange. I don't know. Very strange. Maybe they're hoping that nobody notices and they just

try to. I think everyone knows. They have a Spider-Man ride. They have a Doctor Doom free fall, and they have a Hulk roller coaster, but they've definitely got the X-Men's likenesses. Maybe it was just the... Let's put it to you this way. It's a dude in a wheelchair that's bald that's pointing this way, and there's a big blue furry guy behind him. Maybe so... Maybe it, maybe, maybe it was those guys that just snuck into the park and we're trying to get pictures for tips. Maybe they had it to do with Universal Studios. Like you see on Hollywood and Vine. Yeah, yeah.

So did you take a picture with Professor X? I swear. No, but there was a Wolverine and he looked like he was about 82 pounds. He had this big bulky costume on. He had these skinny little arms. Oh, my goodness. Maybe that's the one that we're going to get introduced to in Wolverine versus Deadpool or whatever. It could very well.

We're going to get introduced to a lot of Wolverines. Yes. You think so? Yeah. A lot of the cameos are already been spoiled. They're out there. Anybody wants to... I don't want to see him yet.

I did not like they spoiled one. Because I usually, if I watch a trailer, it'll be for the show. Yeah, of course. But sometimes I'll watch it for a movie that I'm really excited for. But I will not watch like TV spots or second trailers. But I caught a TV spot and they ruined somebody that I. assumed was going to be in the movie, but wasn't 100% sure it was

going to be in the movie. Yeah, I'm excited for that movie. I got my tickets for opening day, IMAX, everything, so. Nice. Yeah, yeah. I'm really, I'm really, you know, just to

sidestep here, because I know we talk movies. It's not particularly horror, but I do, I'm really happy that the box office has made a turn. I mean, it's coming back, you know, I mean, it's particularly mostly animation, you know, a despicable but me part four made a shitload of money. Inside Out Part 2 was a huge hit, which they needed.

You know, Pixar was kind of like, you know, they had a couple of flops there for a while. Yeah, it just crossed a billion dollars for them. Yeah, yeah. And then like even some of the more like genre ones, like Bad Boys did good. So they're on the upswing. And I'm happy to hear that because, you know,

I can't imagine a life without movie theaters, you know. And that's, it was kind of dark there for a minute, you know, because there was so many flops in a row. you know um the fog guy flopped uh huh furiosa flopped so we were like what's going on again yeah yeah yeah ferrisso lost a lot of money i enjoyed it i'm glad i went to the theater that one movie uh the one movie you just seen a couple weeks ago lance uh flopped uh the other horizon yeah oh that was a huge flop they got a second one already made right yeah so that one was a one already made right yeah so that one automatically that one well what happened is that kevin costner decided out of the blue that he was just going to go to his bank oh yes

horizon get a hundred million dollars out of his bank exactly it just self-fund these films and it's actually not just part one and two it's part one two three and four so this guy wanted to take an avatar yes yes there's four planned and it's not great. But here's the thing, though. Lance, you watched that film? I did. I went to the theater and sat through it, man. And it's not great. It's not great. And he doesn't even show up until about the third act.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, it's quite a strange... It's an ensemble cast. It's very, very corny. Very, very old-fashioned, okay? Yes. But then they'll have, like, some gore in there, right? Where somebody blows somebody's brains out or something.

something like that. It's just, it's really weird. It's really uneven. Super, super poorly edited. Like, there'll be one scene and all of a sudden a completely distorted scene behind it. Then you go back to that scene. It's just, it's a mass, Pedro. It's a mass. I could only imagine. And now that it flopped, um, it flopped big time, actually, because I think it's only made like 30 minutes. No, it made 22 million last time I checked, which was a couple days ago. I'm surprised it's made that much. But here's the thing to me. Like, now. So now that automatically makes two, three, and four flops because you have to watch the first one. Now, not only that, but there wasn't, if you guys recall, there was not a whole lot of love for the strangers part one either.

No, but those are already in the can. Right. Yeah. Whereas this one. There wasn't love for the strangers chapter one, but it made more money than Horizon did. Yeah. Yeah. That's easy to believe.

Because of the horror community, I'm telling you, they exploit the shit. shit out of that community every fucking year. Absolutely. Yeah. Take our money. So, yeah. So anyways, I don't know what we're talking about, but Horizon was a big flop. We were talking about the bride gets its release date bumped up to September 26, 2025. And I had to look out who was playing the bride. It's Jesse Buckley.

She was the main actress and men. Man, she's a good actress. Good actress. That was one of Lancaster films of... that year. Sure it was. I think she might can pull it on. She might can pull it on.

Just like Night Swim is in one of his top films this year. Now, now, now, now. The year is young, Pedro. I had to look up who was playing because they're not really, it's Maggie Jelenhall's The Bride, so they're getting Maggie Jelenhall's name out as director. And it's always, every time I've seen the story posted about it, it says starring Christian Bale.

So there's a monster Are they really focusing on the bride? Well, we'll see. I don't know. I don't know. Christian Bale may have something different to say about that, right? Maybe he might have quite the ego. Well, but hey, but at least he's a method actor, right? So he'll stay in character and do his job, right?

Christian Bale. You'll be a literal monster throughout the set. Didn't, hey, didn't, did Maggie Gellonhall direct that one that her and James Bader was in where it was like bondage in S&M the secretary didn't she direct that or am I is that am I being Mandela effect right now no I think I might have to debut this is the the bride film thank you just wanted to talk about the secretary so she just starred in it let's see all right it was directed by Stephen Shaneberg anybody else ever heard of Stephen shame never heard of you there's a He hasn't done much.

He did rupture, something called Rupure with Nomi-Ripase. I seem to remember that one. That's on Netflix. We reviewed it. It wasn't that great. Lance discards, he starts over. He's like a goldfish.

His brain starts over every day, so he doesn't remember. If only, if only. All the films that you guys have reviewed. But you know what? To Lance's credit, you guys have reviewed a show. shitload of films over the year, so it's kind of hard. Yeah. I remember last time I was on, you guys had reviewed a film twice.

Oh, we've done that many time. Yes, I remember that. We've done that more than once. And looking at our schedule, there is one movie we are going to review. I'm going to call it a revisit. And that'll be Beetlejuice. Okay. Ah, got to do it. Just makes sense.

But not Tara Firmer. how we're never going to talk about that one again I hope that. If we do, we have to have Niz on. Yes. Yeah, he was dying on that hill. He was like, nah, fuck you guys. You guys don't know what you guys are talking about. Ten on ten.

All right. Let's see. Ryan Gosling is producing a zombie comedy called I used to eat brains. Now I eat kale. Oh, Jesus Christ. You know what? Thankfully, nobody goes to the box office. anymore to buy individual tickets

and actually have to say the name of the film because I wouldn't. That's true. How embarrassing, huh? I used to eat brains, now I eat kale. Yes. That sounds terrible. Terrible. Well, zombie comedies are inherently terrible.

It's hard to just navigate, you know, balance those films out. And the really bad ones are really, really bad. Well, Sean of the Dead stands alone, right? Yeah, but you can't get. me five good ones that's yeah's probably the only one right i think brian really loved uh anna in the apocalypse because it was a musical oh yeah you know me anything with singing and dancing for 95

of the movie i love you're in i'm looking through and that seems to be all the news all right well pedro time to time for us to take that little trip to the trailer Park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's the first new trailer tonight, Brian? Our first and only new trailer

we have comes from the studio that brought you Lance's top 10 movie of the year, Night Swim. Afraid. And it's afraid with the AI capitalized. Oh, this, oh, my God.

Oh, no. This is one of those films that you could tell was made by suits, right? All these accountants and lawyers are like, oh, you know what? Everybody's afraid of right now, AI. Let's make a movie about that. Right. This stars Catherine Waterson, David, I fuck his name up every time.

Dalsmaltzing. Check it out, man. That guy is there. Oh, it could be good then. Keith Carradine. I wonder if he's one of the Caradine's. Okay. Ricky Linholm, John Cho, and others.

That's another guy that's everywhere. this is directed and written by chris weiss i would like to talk to chris weiss because i'm very confused at this trailer it starts out very basic a i taking control of the household and family and causing problems but then when the i says my friends are at the door you should meet them it all of a sudden seems like it's supernatural did you guys get that stressed out and she's imagining the whole thing. We don't know. Yeah. But like I said, this is from the studio that brought us such hits as night swim, so. Now, what's more scary? What's more scary? A haunted swimming pool

or a little ball, like the little echo balls that you buy on Amazon, which is evidently what this thing is and just takes over the house. I guess it's kind of equal fear, right? Both are very scary. What happens if the little ball was put into the night swim house? What would happen there? Like, who would have went out there? Pedro, don't give Blumhouse any ideas. It's not a crossover we're looking for. Throwing imaginary in there, too.

Oh, boy. I just, all I saw was generic. I saw a big or generic sign with this trailer. Just trying too hard, trying too hard to be topical. Trying, just throwing something to the wall and see what sticks. you know one of the things because it's also trying to capitalize of the whole Megan thing right of the whole like

AI sure of course of course so that's again we see this all the time it's like they find one thing that works right because Megan worked and then they run it to the ground they try all and and it's not their fault they're just chasing the money I get it but we saw it in the 80s we see it in the 90s we see it now and it's like these films

are just going to get more and more ridiculous you know like what are you going to do next It's like, just Well, I have a theory. They are going to Cloverfield this shit. When we get to that scene, when we get to that scene, because you remember when the Cloverfield sequels are basically just other movies made that they just shoehorn the Cloverfield angle in there?

When we get to that scene, when she says, go meet my friend at the door, it's going to be fucking Megan. No. No. fucking way. Calling it right now. Brian, no. This was a, because I'm looking at trivia for this movie. This movie was

originally written and titled They Listen. This is the same studio as Megan, right? Blumhouse. Yes, it is Blumhouse. They're going to connect. They're going to Cloverfield this shit. They need a hit, man. They need a hit bad. They need a hit right now because

it's fucked up shitty movie after fucked up shitty movie. So I'm not saying this one's going to be it because they didn't hook me at all, but we'll see. It'll be like nights. Well, not, I've changed my mind. Not like Night Swim, like The Strangers, how it'll pull in that crowd opening weekend. Yeah, the horror crowd, like I'm saying. They'll make their money.

They'll make their money. We already had the smart car movie, right? Yeah, it was called the Monolith. It was like a speed two video. And so that was another. one yeah where the cars traps the grow inside and yeah because so all these ideas are being kind of ran through and we'll see what sticks i kind of regurgitated and there was the other what was the other movie with the kid in the car that was from uh stranger things that he was videoing driving over

piece spree spree yeah i like that we haven't gotten another one of those yet i like that pretty good fun kind of fun and that was more like making fun of like the whole like gig you know economy like the uber drivers and stuff like that yeah uber drivers and then it was talking about uh content creators influencers oh yeah yeah there's there's a lot there is a lot of low budget killer uber driver movies out there like there's about four or five of them you know so they're all and they're they're all on tv i'll bet huh with porn. All right.

Afraid. Remember, with AI capitalized. Don't forget. August 30th. P.G. 13, of course. August 30th this year. This is what we're getting this year. Well, that's considered kind of like dump week.

So maybe it belongs exactly where it should. I least it used to back in the day. Because that's going to compete with alien Romulus. So good luck on that. Pedro, I can't hear you, Lance. Now that we have you on here, there's been a lot of discussion back and forth on the Facebook page about Alien Romulus.

It's very split. Where are you on that movie? Well, I like Fetty Alvarez. I think he's a great filmmaker. He hasn't done a movie that I haven't liked. And I thought he did great with the Evil Dead remake. I thought he made it his own. own. He amplified a lot of the mythology to the point now, now it makes sense, you know, with

Evil Dead, the original Evil Dead, the one he did, and also Evil Dead Rise, where it's like three books, right? The three books are scattered. So it does connect all the films. So I think he has a good grasp on how to make sense out of these franchises, these IPs. And he's even got on record to say this, this takes place between Alien and Aliens. So you're going to see a lot of like little member berries that are connected to those films. Not so much the ones after, of course. So, yeah, no, I'm looking forward to it. I think he knows how to make these kind of films.

Yeah, because the negative comments I see on the page are people that are upset with the age of the cast, and they're also upset with apparently a lot of people feel like the trailer is a shot-for-shot of the other two the original two movies that doesn't even make noise like oh my god I mean how is that even possible

it's an alien film yeah you're going to have alien you know what are spaceships you know you're going to have you know you're going to have spaceships you're going to have face hudgers right yes and so of course yeah there's going to be similarities but I mean how could it be shot for shot

doesn't even make sense that's ridiculous yeah there are and then as far as the age of the cast, what does that do with anything? There are some positive comments. Somebody pointed out that

this is not a teenage cast because why would a crew be made up of all teenagers? Okay, but one. Why is the person that's arguing for teenagers or young people, quote unquote, why do they want that?

What is, like, I wouldn't trust an engineer to fucking drive my ship if they were like 21 years old, you know? I mean, you want somebody who's older and more experience. Yeah.

I mean, we don't know what they are on this, this ship. It's a very large ship. That's true. But anybody that's going to be in that area, I would imagine they're going to have some sort of title, you know, doctor or whatever, you know, they always do. And so you want people that are older. And with that said,

when have these films ever had teenagers in them? Like, or young people, like the first two, which are the classics, they had very experienced people there, you know? I think Sigourney Weaver was already like maybe 32, 33 years old at that point, you know? So, it's like i would think so and the rest of the world than her even yeah yeah um so so i don't understand

where that is one of those i don't know yeah because the lead actress was in civil war she was the younger photographer i believe she's in her mid-20s yeah she's really yeah so c's all right well makes no sense uh you can never please everyone on the internet nah people just gotta gotta talk shit don't they? You should see the Hellboy comments for the new movie. Uh-oh. I think I've seen a few. Y'all ready to get into listener feedback? I mean, nothing's worse than giving 9-26 on 10. That's the ultimate troll job, but other than that, I mean... This week, we shine the podcast spotlight on the corpse cast horror podcast. Join Mike and Steve as they discuss horror in all its incarnations. Episodes may include lists, reviews, etc.

for the whole family. And then it says of the Nassarist not recommended for the whole family. So the corpse cast. Have you heard that one, Brian? Yeah, I've actually talked to Mike

trying to see maybe one day get him on the show. Always like to have guests, right, Pedro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just not all teenage guests, right? They got to be 25 or under, though. Or as we're not going to tune in.

That's right. That's right. Ageism. All right, regarding eternal, and no fat vampires, regarding eternal darkness of not so spotless mind podcast, Matt Wood, as always, the gracious UK gentleman, says, cheers, Brian. So I guess thanks for putting that up every week, man.

Of course, and I believe, I forgot what I was going to say, never mind, I had him blacked out for a second. It'll come back. to you. Yeah. All right. Well, listen to this, man. You want to hear a blast from the past, Brian? Sure. Remember our good old friend, Denny Louis? Denny Louie. I was just talking to him because I was in Canada, so I was playing his brain. Oh, that makes sense. Wrestling in Canada. Denny Louie. Okay, I got you. So regarding Revenge of the Nerds, Pedro, he said, Oger, you asshole.

You guys remember that part of the movie? Or was he making that out? No, no, yeah, that's in there. All right, Marcy Pupendria said, OMG, I wish he could come to a convention here. I'm assuming that's the ogre. How much do you think you charge for an autograph, Pedro? Too much, the way things are going on. What about an ogre, booger combo? How much did you pay for that?

Nothing. I would shake their hands and tell them thanks for the memories and walk away. All right. How about the preppy dude from, from the later seasons of married with children how much would you pay for his autograph the the real crappy one the alpha data yeah not theme not um who you're talking yeah the other one no you're right the earlier the earlier episodes of married with children sorry i mean i wouldn't he was the second one married to her okay he was the second oh steve was the first one then yeah yeah you're trying to throw me off pedro

You're trying to mandela me, man. Come on. Steve was the first husband of Marcy, right? Yes. Okay. All right. No, I refuse to pay other human beings for autographs. I mean, that's not something I don't think I will ever do. I mean, it's just not.

Yeah, it's just not your bag, right? Exactly. I get it. I never will forget little Andy Barclay, Brian. We have for a sound bite. Well, moving on. Well, it's because you weren't a child because he took a picture with

Nez's grandkids. Was that picture free? That's awesome. I believe so. Okay. But then again, he made up for it. Come on now. Okay.

Regarding enemy mine, Zem Vader said that weird spiky thing, that ate the weird turtle thing gave me nightmares as a kid. Here we go. terror firmer. Nez says, you fools are crazy. This was a 10-on-10.

I think that's a completely crazy statement. I think Nes is very liberal with those 10-on-tenths. He loves to give him out. I wonder if he'd give night swim a 10-on-10. No. I think he hated night swim. I'm not off the hook yet,

Fedra. All right, Keith Howley writes in. Jason lives is definitely in the top 10 best of the series. Michael Feeney. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That doesn't make sense to me because, no, that's a great film. I'm going to wrong.

Okay. There's 11 movies, probably the 13th. I believe there's 12, if you include Jason versus Freddie. How are you going to say that one's in the top 10? Like, you're not, that's not even, you're not even going out on the list. He said top five. He said top five. Oh, you said top 10, so you fucked.

I was like, what the fuck? Okay. Okay, top five, yes, okay. Okay, I agree with that. All right. Michael Feeney chimes in. Court is my favorite character of the franchise, my favorite hymbo, followed only by Jimbo Teddy Bear. I don't know these characters, guys. Help me out here.

I think you should rewatch the whole series. Maybe we should do it for the podcast. Well, I haven't put them on because of you and Phil's reaction. I think we did the first two. Okay. What films are we talking about? I haven't put Friday the 13th on the schedule because I seem to know where Lance's views are on. You might be surprised.

Well, Lance doesn't like slasher films other than in a violent nature, which I didn't like. With a walking, walking, walking, walking, walking, off screen kill. Walking, walking. He did. He did change it up there near the middle where he swam. Yeah. He did some swimming, Pedro. We didn't even see any boobies in that picture.

and we should have because if it's a slasher film you got to stick by the rules true true yeah my biggest problem that movie was that the last 30 minutes i didn't understand why we took that much time there was a lot of problems i had with that movie that you know that's let's move on let me just say it's really quick let me say it's really quick because i think maxine is also going to fit into this category there's certain films that come out um not not just not just in horror i think in general films that have a niche fan base, right? Films that are supported by the fanboys, where we feel compelled to just like it

just because we have to like it. And I think, in a violent nature, had that, you know, had so much steam behind it before it came out that that was one of those films, you know? And to me it was like, I'm watching it, and I'm like, there's no story here. Like, like, you know, the Sinophile part of me, the snobby part of me was like,

especially at the end. Because, Lance, you had stated, oh, you know, I felt so much. And I'm like, we just met this girl. like three minutes ago. And all of a sudden, we're supposed to feel all this tension at the end. And yeah, I know that,

you know, it subverts our expectations and all that because we thought the monster was going to come out and it doesn't come out. But it was just so long. That old lady,

large march, she's like large march from Peewee Herman's fucking, and she's just driving and going on with her fucking story about a fucking bear. The beaver. And I'm like,

what the fuck? And it just ends. And I was like, I don't know. And it took 20 to 30 minutes for that whole thing Pedro just talked about. I didn't understand why we took so much time. Yes. But Lancevin, it was feeling emotional.

And, you know, I could see the numbers going up, you know, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 stars for this motherfucker. Uh, didn't quite make it there. But I, but I enjoyed it, man. I liked all the false expectation in it. So it just hit me the right way. Then you got to love that little song they played during the credits about all the flies, the shoe flies get away from me, quit biting me up in Canada. Hey, you just went to Canada, Pedro.

You should love that song right now. You know, here's another thing before we move on. I watched that film with a bunch of kids. There was teenagers in there. And they were just laughing the entire time. They were just laughing. Oh, man. What a bummer.

Are they laughing at the dialogue? Well, there was no dialogue, so really. Don't forget about that campfire scene. Yeah, the campfire scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the dialogue is for the whole last 30 minutes of the movie, Pedro. That was, yeah, I'll never watch that movie again. It was, you know, I'm not, I get why people like it, but it's not my thing.

All right, well, let's move on to some feedback for Alien Rambulus. Speaking of which, David Stern, David Stern says, better title alien copied see there you go the shot for shot remake bullshit we we watch what we we've watched maybe two minutes of footage and and that's that's already being labeled as a copy we haven't even watched an entire sequence

you know um it's like what happens when they make another nightmare on arm street film are we gonna be like oh look that the killer has a glove with with knives coming out of it like people are just not happy. They're complaining about we haven't got a nightmare on Elm Street movie in what, 14 years? And then when we get one,

people are not going to be happy. Nightmare on Alham Street, the copy they're going to call it. Yeah. Regarding American Werewolf in London, Don Lowry says, I watched a lot of interviews with Rob Baker recently. And the way

they did it was truly spectacular. The subway and the way they operated the wolf was amazing. They only show it very quickly to just give you the perfect look at it, but not long enough to see its flaws. The dark humor and puppetry was awesome. With Jack

and the various stages of decomposition, such a classic. I'll go with that. Oh, I love that film. I don't disagree with anything you said. Yeah, yeah. Practical effects were a thing in the 80s, and that's why when we watch these films from the 80s, they're literally a work of art because

you're seeing a lot of man hours put into these special effects, you know, the way they make these puppets move. And that's something that's very unique to that time period, I think, because I think from 80 to like around 92, that's when you saw, like, you know, that's when all these creators were in their prime, right? All these practical effects guys. So, yeah, nowadays is all CGI and you could see how fake it is. But back then it was like, oh, my God, just watch the thing.

I mean, the thing is, you know, it pays homage to all that stuff. Yeah, Lance be on the lookout for Don's comments. use great feedback. Oh, man, you might have to help me point some out to me, dude, because I'll, like, scroll for three hours, and then I'll get an inbound work call and have to actually work for 10 minutes, and then I'll scroll looking for comments for three hours. So, yeah, let me know when you see stuff like that, man. All right.

Thanks for the feedback, Don. Thanks for the feedback. Regarding Mike Flanagan's upcoming Exorcist, Mike Sianci, says, I mean, it won't be better than the original, but it will most likely be better than David Gordon Green's movie. That guy just needs to stop with horror films. He completely butchers them. You guys agree? Yes, 100%. And I think he just took his ball and went home. He just didn't like the criticism. And he was like, because I also get this impression that he's one of those guys that really surrounds himself with Yes, Men. Just from the interviews that he has.

Kind of like a certain politician we know. Yes. Well, a lot of them actually. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, once he got... Yes. Once he got that negative feedback for the Exorcist movie, his movie, he was like, no, I can't take this. And he just bolted.

Right. All right. Well, Peter Zucco Me says the new Hellboy is just a cartoon. The only real Hellboy is Ron Perlman, Brian. Let's see. this is another thing it's not I love Hellboy

but it's not it's not the MCU so I don't need the budget to be 200 million dollars Fair enough And I see a lot of people are saying this looks low budget

And I'm like Well it's going to be R rated Maybe that's the way they had to get it done It was low the budget To get the R rating And I love Ron Perlman as hellboy, but he's, what, pushing 80?

Yeah, he's older now. And then the Stranger Things guy was the second Halboy, right? Yeah, David Hartman. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so he's not coming back because that was a big shit show all the way around. Kind of a bomb, huh? Yeah, yeah, it was really a bomb. And so I think sometimes, too, when a film

is presented as more grounded, it's going to look like less cartoony. And so I think that's probably what the issue is here. Fair enough. Regarding attack the block, Mara Cole says underrated gym. Regarding Starve Acre, haven't heard of this one. Matt Fox says,

knitted jumpers and 70s decor will never not be scary. What is Starve Acre? Anybody know? I've never seen that one. I think it's... If I remember, Lance, I think it's a folk horror movie, and I think Okay.

The one person I did recognize from the cast was Matt Smith. Oh, wow. Ah, Dr. Who? Okay, cool. Well, that should be good then. From House of the Dragon. Young people will know him from House of the Dragon. That's right.

That's his new claim to fame, right? Kind of like Darrell from Walking Dead. He's saying people, Pedro, won't know him from Terminator Genesis. Yes, Terminator. That was a horrible movie, too. Yeah, well. Okay. here we go. We'll wrap this up regarding Abigail. Uh-oh. I accidentally just deleted my email.

What the? What did we have here? Okay, regarding Abigail, Greg Wiseman says, took my daughter Abby, but her name's Abigail to see it and we both loved it. Ah, that's a sweet way to close out feedback, right? Yeah, that was a good movie too. I really enjoyed it. All right. I think we all agree on that. Unlike Night's win, which we don't all agree on. Our show intro. Well, we all agree on that except you. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Our show intro comes from Carlton, Steve Carlton from The Geeks.

Be on the lookout from her great stuff. Our original skull artwork comes from Natsulani. Okay, featured attractions. It's time for our main attractions. It's time to get dirty with a brand new Maxine as well as porno. So we'll start with porno from 2019. guys hear that? The science of porn is well known. The human brain, when aroused by erotic images, dumps chemicals into the bloodstream, which send the viewer into full throttle, give me more

mode. That's right, and we may think that we're just being curious, but that will turn into an obsession. Which was apparently, as Brian explained, a Shutter original that's no longer on Shutter, okay, when 15 employees at the local movie theater in a small Christian town discovery, mysterious old film hidden in its basement. That's a lot of words to describe something. They unleash

an alluring succubus who gives them a sex education written in blood. Director Keelah Rasella, also known for the TV show Sugar. Oh, yeah. Riders, Matt, never seen it. Have you seen it?

No, I don't know what that is. Okay. Writers, Matt Black, Lawrence Venice Venicelli. All right, found a little trivia. It was decided to place the setting in 1992, so as to include the older style projectors as a newer digital theater, would not be able to make use of the film reels.

Okay. So, porno, Pedro, what did you think? Man, you got a chance to see this, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, this film had a lot of potential, I think. it did I really like the introduction of all the different characters. I know there's a lot of like religious symbolism here as well, you know, with the small Christian town and a lot of like carrying that guilt, right, of like, you know, watching or like the sex, you know, watching a lot of sex or whatnot or engaging in sex. So I liked all that.

All those themes were when they were introduced, I was like, okay, I'm with it. But I thought the tone went way to like to the comedy side towards the end. end. Like it was, it just essentially became a slapstick. It was very slapstick. And to me, a film like this, once it becomes that, there's no stakes anymore in the film. So now I feel like I'm just wasting my time. Like, like, even if I get invested in the characters, once it becomes a cartoon, then everybody, there's nothing at stake.

So it kind of lost me there at the beginning of the second act. But I thought, I feel like there was a good story here. And if it would have been more grounded, more serious, I think this would have been a really, really good movie. Also, the name, now, you know, whatever. You can call it whatever the fuck you want. But for business reasons, for business reasons, I don't know why they called it porno, because that's going to turn a lot of people off.

And it's also very difficult to find, you know. Same odd. Yeah, seem like an odd choice, right? Yeah, and then from the research that I did, it's not even like, that's a secondary title. That was the title from the very beginning. So it's interesting because let's say I really enjoy the movie and I want to I want to tell a friend of mine, go watch porno.

How do you even begin to look for it? Because that's not going to be the first thing that's going to pop up. So, you know, I had issues with that. But all in all, it was one of those, like, safe hour and a half just got through it. You know, the third act was very cartoony. You know, they show, they show, well, we'll get to,

are we going to get to spoilers or just one? Yeah, this is, spoiler. Okay. So they show a dude's wang, just hanging out there. And they focus on it a little too much for me be comfortable. And yeah, it's just dealing a lot with that. Almost trauma style, Pedro, you know. I thought I was watching Terra firmer there for a while.

That's right. And then, you know, the succubis, I thought she could have, I thought she could have been more menacing, more threatening, you know, but it seems like she just, she would really just come out from time to time. To me, like, the real villain was the old man, right? The old man was the one that was really the threat, because he was real. Which one? The one that's in the back, the one that starts everything off.

I thought you were talking about the one that was filming women in the bathroom. No. Yeah, they find the people there in the middle, towards the end of the movie. I think his name is Mr. Pike, right? Are you talking about Mr. Pike? Yeah, the theater owner. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Lord.

Um, so, so all in all, I mean, I had a good time with it. I mean, I'll never watch it again, but it wasn't, it wasn't something that I regret watching. I thought the special effects were atrocious. Um, especially the weenie. Well, not their fault. No, no, there's the scene where the succubes stabbing one of the guys. Okay. And the CGI blood is not even in the same spot where she's stabbing them. Hey, at least, at least she wasn't afraid to bear her breasts. You know, that's true. That's true. Unlike in a violent nature, we got none of that. Right, exactly. So, yeah, so I think, no, I enjoy this film. What do you guys think? Want to go, Lance? Yeah.

I enjoyed it enough. I didn't love it. I agree with you, Pedro. They went a little too heavy on the comedy, and it just kind of felt unbalanced that way. I did like the cast. I thought they portrayed. the each individual you had the the jock who was in the closet so to speak and then you had the goth girl or just just new to being a goth girl and then you had the the kid that was kind of like

being labeled as the perverted kid then you had the the straight edge kid well he wasn't a kid he was a grown man yes hanging out with some kids for some reason right right but Lots of very small town conservative stereotypes of young people in this film. But one thing I wish they would have kind of went a little deeper on, because they said in the synopsis, they said that this is a Christian town. I didn't really get that other than being told that it was. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. That's a good point. They did like prayer meetings before work and stuff like that.

Yeah, because the first scene we get is a couple having sex, like immediately. Mm-hmm. Yes, and they're peeping, Tommy. They're peeping. Tomi. Let's just say, the couple having a sex, they weren't having Christian sex. Uh-oh. Okay. So I wish they would have just kind of did that.

And I wish the, I think you brought it up, Pedro, the succubus wasn't as menacing. I did like the look of her when she was in full succubus mode with the horns and stuff like that. Lance is getting a kick out of this succubis. Sucubis. That's the magic word for the night. But other than that, this movie just kind of fell flat for me. And for a movie that's called porno, they really didn't have to do with porn.

No, not at all. I mean the movie. Was the movie porn? I don't know. It looked like an experimental student film. Yeah, that's what the straight-edge guy was saying. It's like, this is an experimental art film, you know? Right.

But, yeah, I think, Brian, like you were saying, I think what made this film bearable was the cast, because they were very charismatic, and they were cast while. Every actor, I thought they were anyway. Every actor kind of connected to their character pretty well. But if it wasn't for that, this film could have been way worse than it was. If they would have gotten the wrong actors for it, It would have been a drag to sit through.

Yeah, even the creepy theater owner, because you know, you didn't even think that way of him before, but then when it's revealed that what he does is filming women in the women's bathroom and then he shows up in the bathroom, he's a completely different person than what you're led to believe, especially when the succubis shows up, magic word, Lance. But, I mean, it's not a terrible film, but I think, like, I probably never watch it again.

I mean, if I had to watch it for, for like somebody else's show, I'll watch it again, but like... Or if you review it again, you know, five years from now for this show. Yeah, we forget that we did it, sure. I said that won't happen. Lance, what did you think?

Yeah. Not a, not a huge fan of this movie, guys. Pedro, you said you like the characters and, you know, you like their... their characterization and you thought that they were, you know, they kind of grew on you. I got the exact opposite. They all irritated the hell out of me. I didn't, I didn't think so so much, man. And I thought they were making like really, really, really low-hanging freak type stupid cartoonish jokes and you know, making fun of the gay kid and, you know, making fun of the jock and making fun of the

peeping Tom and just wasn't, wasn't really my cup. This was no night swim, Pedro. Okay, I'm going to put it to you that way. This was no night's. swim. So for me, let's just say we both agree on that. We definitely. We definitely agree on that, man. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, when the succubus came out that was kind of fucking

stupid, man. I mean, to me it almost felt like they were just taking advantage of the fact that, you know, you had a woman with nice breast that was willing to bear them, and you got to film that and the kids were kind of like, you know, but there was no acting.

There was zero acting on the part the succubus. There was, in my opinion, these characters were not at all likable. And that scene, man,

like you were talking about with the, with the penis trauma and all that was just, I was like, you know what, I'm officially checked out. I'm going to finish the movie.

Just because, you know, Brian put it on the schedule and, you know, I'll at least, I was trying to finish this thing. Why did you check out

with that scene? It's just, like Pedro said, over the top. Everything got really like Scooby-Dooish, like, really, cartoonish after that. You couldn't take anything seriously.

Not to spoil anything, but we get something similar in the next movie. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. I mean, a lot of it, too, has to do kind of like with, I think, the style of the director. Like, I think this was supposed to be very literal. I think the next maybe we're going to talk about was not necessarily supposed to be very literal. And perhaps not even some of it wasn't really happening, but only in somebody's mind. But we'll get to that, like, later, but I don't know. I just found this very, very, very, very boring and not likeable characters, not a well-filled movie, not a great succubus. Let's put it that way. So, yeah, I'm not going to fight you on this one. Wasn't super impressed here. Okay. Don't die on the hill, man. This wasn't no, no, no, no. I could see why you would see. I could see why you would feel that way for sure.

I just think more like, it was harmless to me. It was a very harmless movie to get through, you know. But I think all three of us agree that it was very, very cartoonish. And my point is that it could have been more had it not been cartoonish, had it been more grounded, and have they treated this. A little bit more sublime, maybe. Yeah. So hit you over the head with it. Yeah, because we've seen these kind of films where they're more serious, where there's very little comedy. And they're good films, you know, like even like demons, which is a classic, right?

I mean, do that. Oh, yes, yes. And, you know, so I think, I will agree with you that I think the director took some, made some decisions that actually hurt the film, unless that was his intent, which, whatever. But it just, at the end, I was like, none of this matters, you know, because they're all going to be okay at the end because it's a cartoon. And then even the ending bug me, because it literally is, it's like they just ran out of money, right? like the succubes just went back into the film stock or whatever and then the movie was old you know just like yeah they should have a day in the life they should have did something different because they implied that the one kid that said somebody needs to watch over this and they said one of the other kids said something

what if you're tempted to to open it again and then you just maybe maybe maybe that's maybe maybe that's gonna be hasn't be the storyline well maybe you should have just the kid should have just had a look on his face and maybe kind of alluded to like maybe he will but then it just yeah well not I don't know how I would feel if he looked at the camera

and winked at me but just something instead of them just walking out of the theater and going home yeah because one thing we mentioned was that the succubes was what her powers quote unquote even though she was a cardboard cutout there was no character behind her

was that she would... Literally. She would make the kids who were very sexually repressed. She would make them be more sexually liberal to the point where... Isn't there a scene

where they're all looking... But isn't there a scene... There's a scene in this movie where the succubus is out and about and then one of the kids is so under her spell that he starts like fumbling his penis as he's looking at her.

Yeah. And I'm like, what the fuck's going on here? like he's just literally looking at her fun and then like one of the girls is like you had your your hand and you're down there and he's like oh my goodness so um so that's her power she makes people get a little be more liberal with her sexuality he was mesmerized mesmerized huh well i've been mesmerized many times by beautiful woman i'm not going around putting my fucking hand in my penis out in the open like that you know well pedro how do you score this one man i'm gonna go five on 10. I think that's a nice, healthy,

you know, right up, right on the middle, huh? It was harmless. I got through it. I'll never watch it again. Like I said, I enjoy the characters, so I'm going to go 5 on 10. All right, Brian? Yeah, I think 5 is a reasonable

score. I did have problems with the tone, the balance of the comedy and the horror. But I did, along with Pedro, like the cast, I thought they, each actor did what each character was supposed to do and yeah I don't know why you were bothered with the

with the nuts scene because that was probably the best gore of the movie seeing I never thought I would end up seeing somebody nuts being put back in their sack and so or tied back up yeah yeah I guess you're right I guess you're right I'll give it a three it's not just it's not horrible you know it's not like the worst thing we've ever seen

but I'm not going to rest back to see this one. I think there got like a one, I think, if I remember correctly. Oh, yeah. Definitely, definitely got a one for me. I think from everybody, right, Brian? I don't think anybody gave it above me. I guess he'd been on, man. All right, well, maybe we'll review it again, I'm sure.

So Maxine, your agent tells us you're quite a popular name in adult film and entertainment. entertainment, is that correct? I'm curious, did you always want to be in that line of work? I always wanted to be famous. If you need to read off the sides we gave you, just go ahead, all right? I'm not the last. She turns to the camera and, through her trauma, addresses the lens directly.

Name five celebrities who got their start in horror movies. Jamie Lee Curtis, John Travolta, Demi Moore, Brook Shield, and... Maxine, fucking makes. All right, Maxine from 2024 in 1980s Hollywood, adult film star, an aspiring actress. Wait a minute, isn't she technically already an actress, Pedro, if she's an adult film star? Yes, so I don't know what's going on here. We need to be more inclusive with our porn stars. Finally gets her big break, but as a mysterious killer stalks the starlets of Hollywood.

but a trail of blood threatens to reveal her sinister past. Director-writer Ty West, also known for House of the Devil and, of course, Pearl. The filmmakers went old school during production. The movie was made the exact same way as it would have been made in the 1980s, i.e. using the same exact camera equipment is back, you'll appreciate this, Pedro. The same exact camera equipment is back then, and avoiding, quote-unquote, modern trickery

So does that mean there was officially no CGI fire in this movie? That's probably what it means. Is this the first movie in 20 years that can make that claim? No, because remember, Christopher Nolan set off an atomic bomb legit for his film. So the answer to that is no. Okay. All right. So.

All right, Pedro. Take us there, man. How was this much anticipated, quote, quote, end of the trilogy, right? Right. So there's a couple of, there's three films that I really look forward to this year. One of them was, um, uh, the one we were just talking about, um, night swim. No, no, no, the other one that you like. Okay. But with the killer, the, what's the violent nature? In a violent nature. This one and, and long legs. Those are my top three most anticipated. All right. And just nice. So I didn't like, you know, in a violent nature, as I've stated. But this one, right. I felt. I felt. like I was, I don't know, because I'm a human being too, right? I could talk all the shit I want, but I fought for these fucking tricks as well. And I had phantom menace. I had

what I call phantom menace syndrome with this one. Where you're so hype for it that you are not allowed yourself not to like it. And then later on when you reflect, you're like, that movie wasn't that good. So that happened with me. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. I think part of the problem was that, first of all, you know, pro and X are amazing, I think. They're really, really good films. But also, I had created kind of like a story in my head of what this movie was going to be. Oh, no. You already created that narrative, didn't you?

And that's mistake number one. And they didn't fulfill it. Yes. And so I made the cardinal sin of blaming Thai West for not meeting my narrative, which is bullshit. Nobody deserves that. So, but even with that said, I don't know. there was something about this film that I just it just didn't land with me um I thought the third act was atrocious which we'll get to in the spoiler section um I I did like some things I like a lot

of the PTSD symbolism that was that was prevalent throughout the film right there was a lot you could tell that Maxine was still struggling with what would happen in X and I like that because I feel like to the to I think the point you're going to make lands because me and you were texting back and forth when I got out of the theater. I think that PTSD part kind of influenced a lot of the film, you know, in ways that we have to think about. And I thought Ty West did a good job of just isolating her because I think anybody who's gone through who has had PTSD, they feel alone, even though they're not alone.

And I love the way that he shot her where every scene, it almost seems like we saw through her perspective of how lonely she was, you know? And so I like those, I like, all that stuff was great. But just the story itself was very, very weird, especially that there's a turn that happens with all the characters, essentially, all the main characters, Giancarlo, was his name? Oh, yeah. That came completely out of the blue and I'm like, there's no buildup to this.

Like, why would they do that? Yeah, it wasn't very, it wasn't very earned. was it? But it brings up to your point that you're going to make where maybe there's no reliable narrator here, which would be, if that's the case, then if Tywas ever said and validated the fact that she was struggling with her PTSD or any other mental health issue and she was not a reliable narrator, that would make this a great film. But we don't get that. We're just assuming that. We're contributing our own thing. So there's some pretty clear clues, I think, in here, man. I mean, with the father and all that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, we'll get to it. So I just felt the movie was a little disjointed. I thought the trailer... Okay, fair enough. I thought the trailer made the Knight Stalker angle way more than what it turned out to be. Maybe that was on purpose.

Maybe that was his direction. It could have been, yeah. Yeah, it could have been. I thought the Gialo aspect was a letdown. Oh, you didn't love the leather gloves and everything, man? the crackling gloves. Especially what it led to, you know, the revelation. Yeah, I know.

I know. And, but I could see the passion in the project. And for that, I think that deserves some merit. I think, I think, you know, both Mia Gauth and Tye West were really, really invested in this film. But I also

feel like Mia Gauth gave better performances in the previous two films as well. So, so all in all was, I don't really know how I feel about it. I'm going to watch it again. I don't really know how I feel about this film yet. I feel like I want to like it, but there's something that didn't really sit well with me. For now, I think people should definitely check it out. I know that it was a big bomb. I know that. I think it made like $12 million, and they were expecting more than that.

That's a surprise. Yeah, so yeah, so we'll see. We'll see in further rewatches how I feel about it. But for now, I would just, I'll say that I'm a tad disappointed. Brian, was that all you expected? I am disappointed with this movie. Uh-oh. This was a complete leaddown for me. Now, let me get the good parts out. I thought the acting and the cast was phenomenal.

I thought the cinematography was great, but the story, it was just too much going on. It had all these little side stories going on. I felt it was just felt like they just kept introducing new character and after one after another and yeah I just

I really don't know what to say I was completely bored the big reveal I already figured it out from the beginning Yeah it just something just told me I mean it's right there in the very beginning yeah it is right there you're right

and I just I don't know. I just, I didn't like the way Maxine's character was written in this movie. It just I don't know. I was just completely let down. Not to say Mia Gauth didn't act or ass off as a character. It's just the way the character was written. I just did not like

where it was going. Because like Pedro, you were saying she felt alone from the situation that happened in the previous movie. I got that part but then all of a sudden she would be super badass and well i won't spoil the alley scene she's you know it just kind of felt like her character was jumping from different versions of herself and i don't i don't know i just kind of felt like it was just too much going on i agree with you there there was a lot going on for an hour and a half film um i felt like some

of the deaths didn't really hit because of that like like it was supposed to be i feel like they wanted us to, these deaths that are happening along the way should have had more impact than they, then, you know, than they had. Yeah, there was a, there was a scene, I'll talk about it in spoilers, where it impacted me more and it wasn't even a death than the actual death scenes in the movie. It was, it was, it was Giancaro's wig, wasn't it? Because that, man, that was quite the eyesore when the, when that every time I would come out on screen. God, I was like, what was the budget for this movie?

This is the best you could do for a great actor. Or maybe it was on purpose, maybe, because he's supposed to be like, I think he was on purpose. A low-grade Z-list agent. Well, we don't know what he is. I mean, who knows what was he? But what was he? Well, see, that's my point.

There was too many characters introduced. I had to kind of look him up the Wikipedia to see what the character was. because later it kind of seems like he's in a whole other business yes it does so yes it does so uh yes very confusing Lance so this so this is this is my favorite of the three movies

okay um you guys all love that is not surprising in the least but carry on you guys absolutely fucking loved X I was kind of like meh you guys i think you guys absolutely loved pearl i was kind of like eh she had a really good diatribe there at the end but other than that it wasn't like that great to me this entire movie was like nothing but misdirection and things that weren't really happening and again i'm going to go hard with that theory pedro that this

is like that because i do agree with you on some parts in thinking about it go deep please i i really i would really like to know what was in tie west head and i'd like to know, I guess, what was in her head, right? Because didn't they co-write it or whatever? I think so, yeah. I don't know. I think I love your PTSD angle, Pedro, and I think I'm going to build off that and say, that got her so fucked up. And she was so fucked up when she was a child. And I'm sure she was obviously, you know, raped. Yeah. You know, when she was a very young child, there's no doubt about that by someone that was pretending to be of the Lord to make it even worse, right? Add insult to injury. And so now, and then all of a sudden, you know, you've got someone who goes down that path where

she's in the, you know, the adult business, the adult film business where women are basically treated as cattle and, you know, objects to, you know, to be used in toys and things like that. You know, and then, of course, you know, then, you know, then she gets involved in these murders coming after her. And, you know, that would fuck anybody up. So I'm, I'm not convinced that anything that happened in this movie actually happened the way that it was put on film. And if I didn't feel that pretty strongly, I would

not like this movie because I would say it was like super disjointed and like you guys were saying fucking you know, Giancarlo like was one thing at first, then he was a completely different thing and halfway through the movie and then the third act, he was yet another thing

altogether. And I think that was all just the way her mind was interpreting it. I think this was just Maybe it was just like a complete descent into madness. I don't even know if, you know, I don't know if you could really connect the Nightstalker to anything that was going on in this besides in her brain. So for that reason, I enjoyed it. That's how I'm going to choose to interpret the movie. And as a result, I kind of liked it.

You know, I really love the gritty 1980 style. I love the music. I love the soundtrack. I love the sound design. I love the over-the-top stuff, like the scene in the car impound lot. It was just like completely silly and crazy. So I kind of like this one. Well, Kevin Bacon himself.

This is no spoilers, but Kevin Bacon himself, you could tell he was just hamming it up the entire time. I mean, he had the wacky accent going. You know, he had two fake teeth for whatever reason just hanging out there. Yeah, the two gold teeth. so I mean the guy was just having fun you could tell he was having fun and you know what Lance I'm not even going to disagree with you I think from that perspective from the one you presented I think it's it makes a good case for this being this actually is a pretty deep film

if you take it from that angle and there is merit to that I wouldn't say that she imagined everything because the third act gives us enough clues to where there's actually stuff going on in real time and real life, but a lot of it. And if we're seeing the film through her eyes, then yes, that's why it comes off as very disjointed, because she, even in the alley scene that that Brian was talking about, you know, she propped herself off as being heroic, right? And, and being aggressive, because that's what she needed for that time. And when we get to the

spoiler section, I think what gives validity to your argument is that her last line in the movie, she kind of wants to stay there because it helps her to cope with everything that has gone on, you know? And so, yeah, I agree with you. And that was going through my mind to us. I was watching this film. I just wish that we would guide a little more to really solidify that, you know, in the film itself. Not us putting it together in our own mind, but maybe that was tight with his intent. You know, he tends to do stuff like that.

Maybe. So maybe he's like, I'm going to put it out there and it's up to the audience to figure out what's really happening. figure out what's really happening, you know? So, so yeah, part of me does agree with you and what you're saying. It is possible. All right. Well, let's get into scores and then we can really break it down, right? What'd you think, Pedro? Okay, so for this first time viewing, and I'm going to watch it again, I'm going to give it a 7 on 10. So, you know, it's nice. It's a good score. Right, yeah. So I wouldn't say it was a waste of time. And like, like Brian was saying, there was a lot of good stuff in the film, the cinematography, the performances. So with that said, I'm going to give it a seven on ten.

All right. Brian? I'm just a little lower than you with a six and a half. I thought the acting and the cinema, like you said, cinematography was great. I did like the tone. It felt like the 80s. It 100% did. Yeah, really grimy and gritty. But I just thought. Los Angeles in the 80s, right? Yeah. I just thought. the introduction of these side characters and side stories. It was just too much. I wanted more focused to be on Maxine. But I didn't get that.

And do I think people should watch it? Yeah. I mean, it's the end of a trilogy. Well, he says it's the end of a trilogy. He also said that he has a fourth movie. He has an idea for a fourth movie. Yes, I heard about that. I don't know.

Not with the box office. I think this is the end of this trilogy. Yeah, I think he's, said it was based on how the movie was received. So, but yeah. And wasn't the, wasn't the young lady from yellow jackets? Didn't I see her also pop up in this?

Yeah, she was the, yeah, I'm like, why, she's a pretty big up and coming star. I don't know, I think she's on the way up. As a makeup artist for like two scenes in the movie.

I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, maybe there's a longer cut of this film somewhere. the Zach Snyder cut I don't know if it's that long but something like that what you think Lance

I'm gonna go seven and a half and it's probably not gonna make the top 10 but probably an honorable mention I had fun with it I enjoyed it like I said my favorite of the three this is more Ty West for me than I've seen from him in a while so you're ready for spoilers hold on so you threw night swim in the top 10th. I did not. Night swims is six. This is a seven and a half. I think we make that

joke. Jesus Christ, guys. No, no, Lance, you said on that day, which was months ago, because that was... Yeah, that was January 2nd, sure. So, so yeah, and that day you did say it was in your top 10, but I don't think it's in your top 10 now. At least I would hope not. I think it's jettisoned out by now. All right. I just had to clear that out. I will share a quick story here. So I went to, again, I am an AMC Stubbs member, which I know you are as well, Lance. Yeah, proud card-carrying members. So I get very grouchy whenever I have to pay for a movie because I'm like, I have my fucking Stubbs car.

I should be able to go for free or I pay a monthly subscription. But since I was in Canada, they don't have AMC theaters. So I had to go pay. I went to the Cineine max, I think, is their big chain. Okay. So I get there. I'm like, I look at the prices. Okay, 14 bucks.

Okay, that's good. So I pay for my ticket and it comes out to $24. And I asked the girl, why is it, you know, I'm not, I know I told her I only need one ticket, not two. And she's like, yeah, it is one ticket. And it turns out that over there, there's a search charge for the dining experience. So if you go into. Oh, I thought maybe you had to pay for their health care. No, no.

So if you go, if you go to a theater establishment that, It gives you dinner while you're watching the movie. Right here in the United States, there's no upcharge for that. You just pay for the food while you're watching the movie. Yeah, pay for the food if you order it, right? If you choose to order it. But over there, because it's a quote-unquote more intimate experience and they charge you $10 more. And unfortunately, that was the only time I could watch it because I was running out of time.

So I was like, fuck it, whatever. But still, man, I mean, it's $24 when I could have waited till today, because I just got back last night. and I could have seen it in the morning and seen it for free. But I didn't want something to come up. And then I couldn't watch it, you know, for the show. So I just, I mean, I don't regret it. It was fun.

It was just wacky shit that these Canadians make us do, you know? But do they at least, did they at least bring you some free poutine or anything like that for the trouble or what? No, no. Just health care is free. That's it. All right. So, yeah, so that was my little experience there. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Brian, what did you think about the spoilers, man? Well, the scene I was talking about that was impactful, more impactful to me than the kills was the, when she was getting the face cast or mold of her. Oh, yeah, that was creepy, man.

I thought that was well-acted. I felt claustrophobic. I felt like maybe she was drawing for something in real life when she played that or performed that scene because it just felt real. And knowing the way they shot this film, that was probably real

because she probably had to go through all that shit, you know, just to get that mold. Yeah, I thought that was an excellent scene. Yeah, it just hit me more harder than any of the kills. I mean, of course, the guy, her stomping on the guy's nuts. course you know I cringe you know

see a lot of nuts and dicks lately in these two films yeah we just saw something with nuts in the previous movie so it's been it's been a nut trauma night for sure that was my problem with the character because she's badass that minute and then

she's not the next and then near the end she decides to be a superhero because she's having flashbacks of what the detective you just of let these girls get hurt out here and then she's yeah it almost like no i'm gonna stop this at the end it almost got a little bit once upon a time in hollywood didn't it like they're at the very end like almost almost too heroic and over the top like two two two two anti history or whatever i know i got that vibe a little bit and why were the cops so goofy well that's that's

oh you're talking about bobby cannavalli yeah and mrs Sean Monaghan. That was Michelle Monaghan. Yeah. That was her. I didn't even recognize her. Yeah, they were kind of goofy and they were kind of chasing their own tail there for a while. But that tends to be the trope with all these films.

You never see any competent cops in any of these films. But the scene that I was talking about, again, to kind of, you know, enhance Lance's point is that at the end when they ask her, you know, what's next? And she's like, I want this to last forever. And at this point, she's already like a star. You know, she came out. She did the Puritan, too. And so I feel like maybe that was her way to cope. You know, if she remains a big star for the rest of her life,

she never has to deal with those traumatic experiences from X or whatever or her childhood. So that, so that resonated with me. Also, I think there's a lot we have to, like, look into with the whole title of the movie that she's in, the Puritan. Because I think there's a lot there to explore, you know. Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah. So I don't know. I think the more I talk about it, the more I feel like this is probably more of a cerebral

film than we're giving it credit for. And again, that's why I want to watch it again to see if more stuff sticks. Even at the end, like, she did kill her father, but then she never goes to prison. So is that in her head or what happened there? Because she's got that big, she's got that big shopper on her. And they're trying to stop. by the time her to put the gun down and she blows his head off and and nothing happens no consequence yeah no consequences yeah he he could have already died because michael manahan comes running out and says

i got him i go with the scene where she's got the crucifix stuck in her eye and she said i got him i got him so he could have already been dead this was all in her head that's true that that is true but then again now the story becomes what is in her head and what isn't if that's a established that that's in her head and there's other parts of the film that could have just been in her head. All right. So the first part that I really thought, I started thinking, okay, we're in some Patrick Bateman territory

here, guys, is when you have, you have Gus Fring there with his, with his goons and they're in that fucking, they're in that fucking car. I forget about the co-star, the wig. Well, they're in that, yeah, they're in that car lot, and they just literally

smush Kevin Bacon. But that's really, honestly think that was really happening? And you're right, Lance, because that scene had no filled up. It was very surreal. And there are consequences to that either. Like, nobody came in question about, we found all this

blood and guts underneath a car crusher. Yeah, somebody's got some splamined to do. It's like, well, what we could have. John Carlos, all of a sudden, a mob guy with guns and stuff? A big mob guy. Yeah, come on. Seriously?

But to me, it wasn't even the crime. because you could always clean that up, you know, they have connections. But to me, it was the fact that Giancarlo and the other guy, they just did her that quote-unquote favor. And we hadn't built that relationship at all. Yeah, nothing in the movie tells us that Giancarlo and the other guy had that kind of relationship with her to do something that extreme. It's just from one scene to the next, oh, here we are.

We're going to kill Kevin Bacon and let's smash him, you know? And then, of course, Of course, all that. Scooby-D-style, right? Yeah, all that blood that comes out. That was also very cartoony. Yeah. And to me, like, he didn't deserve that, first of all.

Kevin Bacon's character, because he said it right. He was just doing his job. He was just doing his job. Just the private dick from the Big Easy, the messenger. Don't shoot the messenger. And then also, there's a lot of things that kind of are little muddled up to me in the first watch. Yeah. Why was the father killing all her co-stars and her co-workers?

Like, was he trying to. That makes no fucking sense. No sense at all. I mean, how did he get the video from the crime scene of X? Because that was the video he gets. That's all going on in her mind, guys. This, I'm telling you, there's, there's, this movie is not what you think it is. It's not a surface level movie.

There's weird shit going on here in her mind. And maybe it's not quite as clever as her and Ty West thought it was or tried to make it. But it was, to me, it was pretty clever. I mean, I kind of enjoyed her all that, you know. So take it for what it is. So the murders didn't really make sense to me once the whole thing was revealed. Because it would be one thing. Not at all.

So I would understand if the dad was trying to kill her competition so she could become a star. But that doesn't make sense because the dad wanted to take her with him. He wanted her back. So why would he be helping her remove all this competition? So that was kind of weird. And again, the whole relationship with her and Giancarlo was weird. So, yeah, so there was a lot of things that didn't really make sense. Yeah, that dynamic completely kept changing.

I didn't even buy her relationship with the guy from the video store. Because I guess he's supposed to be such a close friend that somebody pops up and says, I need you to get information on this videotape, but don't watch it. Don't you look at it. And I'm just going to be like, okay, I'm a good. use my sources to find out as much as I can for it. He was about to do some, like, shit that... I think they invented technology

because I don't think even to this day you could find out who filmed a videotape just by doing some research. Like, he said, oh, I'm going to look to see you this, and I'm like, that doesn't even exist. Like, how are you going to figure out who was taping it? Not sure. They don't exactly leave fingerprints,

do they? No, no. And he was working at a video store. He wasn't this, like, lab guy or anything like that. you know, it wasn't the scientist. But at death, I do understand because that was a close friend of hers, quote unquote. And so I get it. But then the other girls, the girl that was screaming, and then she comes out of the suitcase with her head screaming, which was pretty clever. And then it was the other girl, her friend, right, the one that they introduced in the beginning with the short hair.

She was one of the first victims. But yeah, that part didn't make sense. And to me, that's where the film falls apart. That third act was, to me, was horrible. Like, it's like two different movies. And it might have been that way. I might be overthinking it. I might be reading too much into it.

And then the two detectives, like, they serve no purpose in the movie, other than just trying to get her paranoid, right? Because their only job was to remind her that these people are dying because of her, supposedly. Yeah, and make her feel guilty, right? her feel guilty about it, right? She never really even sold, though. She never, we never saw that sense of guilt.

She just wanted to, like, figure all this out because she was in danger, not because her- She was pretty self-absorbed, too, and a lot of cocaine and stuff like that. Yeah, that's why I just didn't like to switch to all of a sudden I'm going to save these girls out here in these streets. That was weird. That was weird. All right. And what we haven't even talked about the director, though, the other

female because she was kind of shady too like are we supposed to pick something up from that just the way she was shot and when she would talk like i don't know the the the stage composition of of all her performance was was something to where i feel like there's more beneath that you know yeah everybody everybody kept warning her yeah yeah so um yeah it's kind it's kind of hard to say right we can't crawl into tie west mind and and see if he meant to do all this or you know went down the wrong trail or whatever, but it was interesting, right? I will say this, and I don't know if Brian might disagree with me, because I think you said you were bored.

This film wasn't as methodical as his other films. Like, I feel like there was something I was going on, and the story was moving forward, you know, for better or worse, as a film was going on. It wasn't slow, and it wasn't, like, some of these guys' films are so slow, you know, and it's like, you have to wait to the third act for the shit to really hit the fan. but I feel like I don't know that this film kept me engaged throughout even though I wasn't really liking the story I was invested in it you know so so that was good yeah I probably misspoke when I said bored I wasn't bored I think I was just it was just too much going on it was it was like you just throwing a whole bunch of stuff in there

and the movie was what an hour and a half yeah it wasn't long they crammed a lot into an hour and a half that's for sure all right well pedro thanks for swinging by man and covering frightenair with us on a bad microphone of course of course and thanks for having me and i can't wait to come back for uh for the next one whatever that would be all right well we'll do something soon man are you guys covering long legs next week we were going to uh we've had we had to move it back uh Brian you want to tell him the story yeah we're we're gonna have Marcy and Bede on from the the Super Network but it

comes out a week later than it does it comes out a week later in Australia than it does Australia gets it a week after us they still do that so we're pushing it a week and we're moving up commentary for one of our Patreon donors we're going to do

demons 2 wow that's a great film That's a really, really good film. Yeah, should be fun. So Pedro, thanks for swinging by, and Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.