The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #426: CAGE RAGE IS BACK! - Arcadian (2024) & Longlegs (2024)

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

It's CAGE RAGE week again at THR. So, of course, we are joined by our friends Marcey and Bede from Super Network. Cool of the week includes Cobra Kai, Twisters, A Quiet Place Day One, Disturbia, and T...iana's Bayou Adventure. Trailers are Monster Summer and Consumed. The podcast spotlight shines on Kevin Lane's Spill Your Guts. And we get feedback from Daryll Hall, Jeff Farley, Toby Hampton, Sissey LaMaire, Christina Rizzuto, Don Lowery, Yoseph Nickles, and Richard Stone. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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Starting point is 00:00:00 action. The horror returns on my, your uncle Lloyd Kaufman. And I have one thing to say to you, your podcast sucks, but I don't mean that. It's great. Kevin did that. Kevin put me up to it. We slept together, I admit it. Oh no, oh no. Greetings victims. For those of you who delight and dread, fantasize about fear who glorify gore welcome you have found the place where the horror returns listeners beware this podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everybody, to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me, as always, my co-host, Brian and Philip, but it's Cage Rage Night.
Starting point is 00:01:28 So you know what that means? The folks from Downanda are coming to pay us a visit. We've got Bede and Marcy, of course, from Super Network. work. How's it going, guys? Hello, how's it going? Hello, it's me, Nicholas Cage, and also Nicola Cage. We're all, we're taking over the podcast. We're not actually from Down Under. I was hoping that fell up. Yeah, that was quick.
Starting point is 00:01:57 But seriously, though, we're here, we're back, and we're looking forward for more Cage Rage for this episode, because we always love talking some Cage, we you guys. Yes, and I tend to keep missing them, so I'm glad to actually be here. Yeah, here we are. And unlike the, you reminded me beat of the Ricky O fiasca where we had to re-record, you're actually
Starting point is 00:02:22 here on the recording with us this time. Yes, at least until we check it that it's not recording, which don't worry, it kind of happened to us as well on our show, because we had to, I think it was when Marcy and I and our friend Matt, we did an audio
Starting point is 00:02:38 commentary for sleepwalkers. I forgot the hit record and we had to go back and do it again like a week later. It definitely wasn't as funny as the lost recording though. That was cold. Yes. Been there, done that. Been there, done that.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Yeah. All right. Well, what's going on over there at the network? You've still got all the shows going on, I take it, right? After Dark. Beed versus the Living Dead. Crystal Lake. What is it called? Crystal Lake? like fun memories, is that what it was called? Well, I guess my show's B-D versus the Living Dead and B-Den-C versus Cair Crystal.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Like, they're not even part of the Super Network. They're their own separate universe. Because Marcy and I, we have, our solo shows are outside the Super Network and anything that's Super Network related is what we do together. And, Marcy, we've been pretty busy with a lot of shows.
Starting point is 00:03:36 We've been just busy in general that our whole podcast schedule, schedule has gone out the window a little bit. But recent episodes you can check out. There are a few on supermassy.com, home of the supernetwork. There's some Osploit cast episodes. So you can hear all about some mid-80s Osploitation films. there is the part one and part two of the Stephen King Frank Darabont adaptations over at the King's zone and of course we have as of this week as of recording we have just wrapped up shark month over at the To Be Tuesdays and it was a wild ride let's just say that we saw
Starting point is 00:04:30 puppets we saw a shark with a chainsaw we saw a Hulk Hogan in first place There was a lot going on that for the month of Shark Month. Oh, go get impersonator. That's awesome. Everybody, go listen to the Cruel Jaws episode because A, B, wasn't on it, so that makes it funny. And also, the episode is absolutely hilarious. Well, I'll tell you what. Now, here in the States, here in the States, we do Shark Week in Australia.
Starting point is 00:05:05 We did Shark Month. Yes, we did Shark Month because of Shark Week. Yes. And Colin said he was really high and we shouldn't have listened to him. But we're like, fuck, dude, no idea is too stupid for Tooby Tuesdays. Exactly. Exactly. And we covered quite a lot of insane shark movies that month.
Starting point is 00:05:26 I think my pick was Ghost Shark, which I know you guys did an audio commentary for. And we also did puppet. Great. The slip and slide was the best. Oh my God. Then we did a puppet shark, which was a shark movie with just puppets. And then we did one called... And then we did a Swedish movie called Jaws of the Shark where a dude was like basically wearing the left shark from the Super Bowl and going around and murdering people with a chainsaw.
Starting point is 00:06:01 There's no shortage of them. And for some reason, every single character in the film is wearing a wig. Like a wig wig? Like a glorious wig? And Bede was like, I need all these for my wig collection. Jesus Christ. So kind of like a wig that would be worn by like Joel Osteen or someone that runs a megachurch, basically. Basically it's a wig that would have been worn by our.
Starting point is 00:06:32 main attraction actor for this episode. Yes. Yes, I can see that. All right, well, so what about After Dark? What's going on with After Dark? I wish I could tell you, I have plans. I just need time to actually get them done. But all previous episodes are available to listen to at the After Dark podcast feeds.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Well, we have some listener feedback, I think, tonight, Marcy, that you might want to pay particular attention to because I think it's a film that might be right up your alley to cover for After Dark. We shall see. But in the meantime, let's get around to our famous Cool of the Week. Who wants to go first? I'll jump in first.
Starting point is 00:07:18 I'll go. Sorry. Oh, what do we got? Who's jumping in? Phil or B? Point toss. I'll go, yeah. So I took the kids to go see Twisters.
Starting point is 00:07:30 It just came out. My wife was a big fan of the original. It was one of her favorite movies when she was a kid. And, man, this one did it justice. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, I heard good things. Good destruction. I kind of like that main guy.
Starting point is 00:07:44 He starts out as like a dick in every movie that he's in and then ends up in a good guy. Glenn Powell. The guy that makes every woman cream her pants and all, every man as well, apparently. But I mean, he just, I still say that guy should have been Johnny Storm. in the new fantastic floor.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Oh, yeah, for sure. Man, oh, man. He's got the best douchebag look I've ever seen. And then he ends up being the good guy every time. It's crazy. But yeah, I'm very impressed with it. It was a pretty good movie. Cool.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Any standout scenes in it that you can talk about that won't spoil the movie? Like anything you didn't see in the first? A lot of destruction. There was a road. that's in the trailer that gets pretty torn up and one of the guys like one of the little tertiary
Starting point is 00:08:38 actors in the background of the rodeo scene is Bill Paxton's kid. So Oh shit. Yeah, a fun little nod. Yeah, so they throw a lot back to the original. So Lil Paxton was in it, huh? Yeah. That's the same
Starting point is 00:08:54 that's the same Lil Paxton that was in the fanatic and I know Bede was waiting to say that, but I'm going to do it. Yeah, I know. You've been over the punch. I was waiting for either myself or Marcy to bring that up, that he was also in the fanatic. All right. So we got Twisters down.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Who's next? Is that your turn now, Bede? Actually, it's funny, though. Like, I'm looking back over my letterbox when I've been watching it. Most of everything I've been watching, it's been podcast related, so I can't really talk about some stuff. Oh, no. Those episodes, kind of a mixture of. either for Bid v. The Living Dead or Camp Crystal Lake
Starting point is 00:09:34 and also for mine and Marcy's shows. But I guess I can talk about ones that I actually had to see that have nothing to do with podcast-related stuff. I did check out at the cinema A Quiet Place on Day One. Nice. Okay. Which I thought it was a great prequel. Like it is, you could definitely tell watching this film that the director of Pig was involved.
Starting point is 00:10:00 with this film, like, especially with the scenes where it's just the characters just either talking or just their interactions with each other, like those scenes felt very grounded and also very believable and very humanistic, along with all the intense, big alien monster set pieces that are around it. So, yeah, that one was actually a pretty great prequel. I would say it's probably my second thing. favorite of the franchise so far. Oh, wow. But so far this whole franchise has actually been pretty consistently good so far.
Starting point is 00:10:40 And then I also checked out Maxine, which was also out as well. And I really enjoyed that. Not as good as the previous two films, but I thought it was a pretty solid, like, if this is meant to be the final film in the franchise, I think it's a pretty solid one to end on. Like definitely some aspects they could have got a little bit further with, but overall, I did enjoy it and I like the sort of the very Brian De Palma 80s aesthetic of
Starting point is 00:11:05 the film and of course Mia Goff continues to be great in this franchise so yeah those are pretty I would say both of those were definitely my fades of the week but if I had to pick an actual number one cool of the week I'll probably go with a Quiet Place day one
Starting point is 00:11:22 Quiet Place day one alright I will write it down let it be so this time bright I won't forget to mention or to write down the correct cool of the week as I've done in the past. Yeah, my call of the week is when we went to see long legs on Saturday and during the movie, Bede next to me was snoring. In a neck cage movie. In a Nick Cage movie, in a serious Nick Cage movie, Bede was asleep and snoring.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I just needed to call you out on a beat because I'm hilarious. Because you were legit shocked when I, like, I thought, I'll just like, I'm trying to keep my eyes open. I was trying not to laugh. Marcy, if you were my friend, you would have just elbowed me awake. Nope. You brought it on yourself, man. Alisa wasn't bad as my cousin, because she and I went years ago, went and saw, um, before. Force Awakens. Like within the first 10 minutes, she fell asleep and she woke up. I can understand that.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Yeah, and then she woke up 10 minutes before the movie ended. Wow. Some of the best sleep I've ever got was watching Slender Man in the movie theater. I remember that. I fell asleep. I think all three of us fell asleep, right, Brian? Who's that? Literally. I checked out. However, my real cool of the week is the part one of season six of Cobra Kai, which I thought was awesome. I love that show so much. I'm sad it's ending, but it's probably a good time to end it. I love those five episodes.
Starting point is 00:13:13 I am anxiously waiting for the next five. But that's my cool of the week besides from calling beat out for falling asleep in a Nicholas Cage movie. It's never going to be let down at all. Brian, did she steal your thunder? Yes, she did. That's my cool movie. I had a feeling.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Cobra Kai, season six, part one. The episodes move pretty fast. You got a lot of cheesy teen drama in there, which was a little, it's just fun. The way they do it, it makes it fun. It makes it fun. You get new adversaries for them to go up that they got introduced to, which I'm looking forward to those fight scenes, because I think they're going to be pretty badass. And yeah, I agree, Marcy.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I'm sad to see it go, but I just think where the story's going. Maybe it's time. There's not much else you can really do. And they go out while you're on top. They still are connecting it to the, which I believe, already wrapped filming new Karate Kid movie with Ralph Machio and Jackie Chan. Yeah, I definitely feel like they're tying it in.
Starting point is 00:14:21 There's definitely a lot of clues in there. So look forward to see where it goes. So does the. Does the second Karate Kid show up? Oh, you beat Hillary Swake. Hillary Swank. Not yet, but there's still 10 more episodes. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 00:14:39 I think she'll be the big cameo. Okay. And Jackie Chan will be the finale end credits. What about Will Smith's kid? Is he going to pop up? I hope not. Anything else you want to throw in there, Brian? I did show my daughter, what's that Shia LeBuff movie?
Starting point is 00:15:05 Disturbia. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, we were kind of looking for something to watch. And I think one of our fellow podcasts was going to review it, and I was talking about it. And she only knows him from that movie he did when he was a kid, Holes. Oh, God, that's going way back, man. Yeah, so she knows him from.
Starting point is 00:15:27 that and like his crazy internet stuff. Sure. Showed it to her and we both enjoyed it. It was a good rewatch and she really enjoyed it. She liked the mix of the humor and the tense thrilling scenes with the trying to figure out that the next door neighbor is the killer or not. Sure. He's got some great body cam footage out there too. Does he?
Starting point is 00:15:52 I just want to watch him get arrested. And I totally forgot Carrie Ann Moss and. in this movie. She plays the mom. No kidding. All right. I'll have to go. I have to go re-watch that one. Always like a good movie in the rear window genre. Although that movie felt
Starting point is 00:16:09 way more like the Simpsons parody of Rear Window. Oh. Yes. That makes perfect. It's a great movie. It's a fun movie. It just felt like it was the Simpsons episode rather than
Starting point is 00:16:22 Rear Window. I can understand that. So Disturbia gets a good mark, Brian? Yeah, since Marcy did, Cobra Kai, I'll go with Disturbia. Nice. And I will, for the second time this year, go with a Disney ride for my cool of the week. Disney World ride. Again, just like Tron, the one I talked about a couple of months ago, this one's also in the Magic Kingdom.
Starting point is 00:16:50 But it's the brand new Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Have you guys heard of this? No. Yep, it is where the Splash Mountain ride used to be. They completely gutted out the old ride and created a whole new, whole new ride built around basically the New Orleans theme. And I don't know why for some reason. I've ridden Splash Mountain at least a dozen times,
Starting point is 00:17:17 but it felt like the ride was like four times longer. And it can't be any longer because it's literally inside the same, you know, fabricated mountain that the other ride. was in. So there's no way it's a longer ride, but it just felt like there was so much more to it. Just the way that the imaginering at Disney is getting is just phenomenal. It's like so hyper realistic as far as the human characters. And, you know, when you get like all the different animals that get together and they're playing like in a little band, you've got that for the kitties. And they've got great little scenes set up that kind of, they don't really tell
Starting point is 00:17:52 the story of the princess and the frog movie, but all the characters are in there. And it's kind of like a news story that builds on that. And of course, you go into a grand finale before you get to the exit, as you do with every good Disney ride. So without giving anything away or any of the characters or surprises that are in the ride, Tiana's Valleadventure gets my cool of the week. That's where the AI is going to take over at Disney. That's right. At Disney, we're going to start. Suddenly, we're in a robot.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Just do not ride. It's a small world when you're tripping on acid. Guaranteed to have a bad time. So that's cool of the week, Brian. Where are we at on horror headlines this week? We got a few. We'll start out with I Know What You Did Last Summer sequel remake, reboot. Don't necessarily know what it is. Madeline Klein has set the star in it. The only thing I know her from, is the Outer Banks on Netflix. The Outer Banks, okay. She played Batista's girlfriend in Glass Onion. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Oh, okay, sure. Sure, I remember that. Now, I don't know if this is a remake because Freddie Prince Jr. and Jennifer Love Hewitt are in talks to return. So I guess we go again. The Passing of the Torch. A requal, I guess. Yeah, I've.
Starting point is 00:19:24 I can imagine it's going to be more like the Scream 5, where it's kind of like a mixture of being a legacy sequel, but an alter maybe a little bit of a remake as well. I can totally see that. Is Freddie Prince Jr. done anything lately? I know he's got a pretty good podcast he's been doing. Does he? Hasn't he been trying to or has opened his own wrestling league or something? I did read that. He used to be a riot.
Starting point is 00:19:54 for WWE. Of course. Of course they need writers. Of course. What's that mean, Lance? I think maybe it means it's all staged, man. Come on. Wrestling's not real.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Somebody argue with me here. Nobody's going to argue with you. Hallmark movies aren't real. How about that? Oh, they aren't even remotely real. You're right. This I missed off my list from a couple weeks ago I was going through. Clint Howard is going to be in Terror Fire 3.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Nice. As the ice cream, ma'am? I would hope. That'd be great. That'd be great if he was. Has his guernetting with him. Dude, I'm not even kidding. Clint Howard had just had like a two-month stint on Bold and the Beautiful.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Oh. What? Like recently? Yes. Wow. The more you know. Fans everywhere. Even sings in it.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Sure. We're big fans of Clint Howard on the Tooby Tuesdays podcast, and we have done the two previous Terrify films for the show. So once that movie does eventually go on Tooby, you can know. for sure we're going to do that for the show probably on day one
Starting point is 00:21:22 yes let's see we know it'll be on screen box right Brian it should be they haven't they haven't said another I think it's going to get a wider theater release than Terrifier 2 did
Starting point is 00:21:38 considering how much money it made that does make sense sure look at this pink this pink coat let's see here Kate Siegel is set to star in a horror comedy called Damned If You Do
Starting point is 00:21:57 and she's also going to produce her A horror comedy, okay, that makes sense. Why not? Why not? Another thing I left off my list Her husband, Mike Flanagan, regained the rights to his movie Hush because people were trying to figure out why is it not on Netflix no more and he had a big issue with Netflix
Starting point is 00:22:18 because Netflix doesn't like to put their original content on physical media, and he's a big physical media guy. So he regained the rights to it, and I believe next month it'll be available to rent and buy on digital, and he said there is a physical release coming. Of course there would be. That makes sense. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Are you going to be getting it, Brian? Oh, yeah. I really liked that movie. That was probably first. first thing I really remember seeing Kate Siegel in for the first time. Speaking of long legs that we're going to review later on,
Starting point is 00:22:55 Alicia Witt, she's in the movie Long Leggues, says she would like to return to do an Urban Legend sequel. She was the star of the original one. Okay. I'm down for that. Urban legend is great. They could make it like a... God damn it.
Starting point is 00:23:16 What do you call it where they have a bunch of little movies in there? Anthology. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be fantastic. Also, bring back Rebecca Gayhard, because her character's still alive in the universe of that series. Yes. There you go. We sold that on the sequel.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Yeah, I was about to say she pops up in the sequel. We haven't done any urban legend for this podcast, have we, Brian? No, and we were supposed to do one with Nez on 31 days. for his network, but never happened. So it will. And we've done an episode on both movies, well, episodes. Isn't there a third one? Yeah, there is.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Yeah. That one, Bloody Mary, which is directed by Mary Labbert, who did the original Pet Cemetery. Of course, that's right. Her co-star, is it Micah Munro or Mika? Oh, yes. Micah, I think? Yeah, Mica, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:16 She wants to take on Freddy Kruger in a Nightmar on Elm Street movie. Let her. Hmm. All right, that's be interesting. Let her play Freddy Krugo. Geez. May as well. Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Yes. There was something that I'm missing here. We're getting a new BHS movie. BHS Beyond. and it's due out on Shudder in October. I'm all for it, man. I should probably watch the VHS movies. You've never seen any of one?
Starting point is 00:24:52 They're great fun. Yeah. We might have to do them for podcasts as a horror barso. I know, we have a horror anthology podcast, and I've not seen those ones. Oh, yeah. That's some good ones to add to the list. The newest one I think was the most fun, for me anyway. Which one was it, Brian?
Starting point is 00:25:09 like 95 or 94 or something like that 84. 84. Okay, I'm way off. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, this one, go ahead. I was going to say, like, from what I hear, this one is actually taking, is going to be set in the future,
Starting point is 00:25:25 hence the beyond subtitle. Yeah. And they're using VHS in the future. Because all the computers have crashed, Philip. So, man. All right. Futuristic and horror, I'm down. a lot of
Starting point is 00:25:41 not as well-known directors this time which I do like that Jordan Downey by rat pal Kate Siegel is going to be making her directorial debut in one of the segments and the segments going to be written by Mike Flanagan Oh wow okay
Starting point is 00:26:02 Justin Martinez and Christian Long and his brother Justin Long Oh, no, Justin Long had a book. That'll be great. Yeah, they will be co-directing a segment. These movies are taken off.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I'm excited for the Jordan Doughty one, because Jordan Doughty did the Thanksgiving films. So. Joel. That would be great. We love some Thanksgiving. Hey, much better than Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:26:33 That's for damn sure, Elon. I won't go that far, Lance. I won't go that far. Just a different type of movie, yeah? Yeah, exactly, exactly. The Rosemary's Baby sequel, or Prequel, Apartment 7A is going to be rated R for violent content and drug use, and this is going to be due out on Paramount Plus,
Starting point is 00:26:57 and it stars Julia Garner. Is that from Ozark? Yes. Yeah, okay, sure. Ruth. I think your name is Ruth. Oh, the blonde girl? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, she's good. Yep.
Starting point is 00:27:14 The Conjuring Four gets a September 4th, 20-25 release day. It will be the final installment in the series. Sure it will be. Sure. They're not ending the Conjuring universe. They're just
Starting point is 00:27:29 entering the Conjuring movies. Okay, sure. Yeah, because I think they're doing a TV series off than that, I believe. What's the story meant to be for the next one? That other one
Starting point is 00:27:47 was not very good. It never did the crooked, man. Well, I think it's kind of established at the end of the Nun that they're going up against the Nun in the last one. But the Nuns got like two movies already. They already went against the Nun at the second one.
Starting point is 00:28:05 They've already done the same movie twice. called it part one and part two, and it's literally... They're going to go up against Adabel, the nun, the Crooked Man, and all the other characters from the other... And paranormal skeptics and... That would be great. It's going to be like the Avengers. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Except the... I'm just sad they didn't cover that Werewolf Man story. They kind of did a little bit in the third Adabel movie, but yeah, I can agree with that, Bob. Yeah, the movie you guys hated that was soft PG-13, but I actually kind of thought was fun. With the werewolf and the
Starting point is 00:28:47 ghost that was vapor or whatever. Funny how that works. Funny how that works. I was on that episode. I enjoyed that movie as well. Yeah, I had fun with it. I had fun with it. I barely remember it and I didn't mind it. Yeah. Let's see, Melissa Barrera's
Starting point is 00:29:06 upcoming romantic horror movie Your Monster gets an October 25th release date Nice This channel here we come This year Okay I gotta say that Kevin Faggy said Marvel's Blade
Starting point is 00:29:23 We'll start production in November And we'll officially be rated R About damn time Yeah we'll We'll see if that happens. By the time the movie gets made,
Starting point is 00:29:41 Mahershela Ali will be 80 years old. Yeah. I feel so bad for him. He's not taking a role since accepting this role. Well, that's the thing, though. The whole project, from what I remember, was all his idea. He went to them to want to do a reboot of Blade.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Well. Because he won his second Oscar, A few days later, he rocked up it at Marvel, said to Kevin Faggy, Faggy, I want to make a new Blade movie. And Faggy's like, all right. By the time it comes out, he needs to be playing Whistler. Yeah, exactly. And I think we'll end it there as far as News.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Oh, wait, since it's a Cage Rage episode, we'll end it off of Nicholas Cage's psychological thrill of The Surfer. has been acquired by Lionsgate and Roadside Attractions for a 2025 release date. And he plays an Australian in it, even though he has no Australian accent whatsoever in the clips I've seen. You've inspired him, Pete. You've inspired him. He must be watching all of your videos. He's going to go around and say stuff like, good-day, mate us me, Nicholas Cage. Where's the shrimp on the bar be? where's my foster's beer
Starting point is 00:31:08 I'm gonna go and box a kangaroo and I'm gonna get and I'm gonna get Chobedia from a koala you just took a one step too far I mean to bring that up I think we should end news right there
Starting point is 00:31:29 yeah on that that's a real thing right it is On that note, let's take a little trip down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's the first new trailer tonight, Brian? Monster Summer, starring Mel Gibson, Lorraine Braco, and I didn't write his name down, The Kid from The Black Phone.
Starting point is 00:31:56 I knew I saw him somewhere. Don't have his name here. Parsi. I don't know. I thought Bean would know. I mean, I don't know the name. Mason Tames, I think it is. Why?
Starting point is 00:32:13 Why would you even know that? I have like really, I just retain a lot of information when I see like movies and stuff like that. For all I know, it's probably not it. But I guess in terms of the actual trailer itself, I think it looks fun. Like, I don't think it does anything that we haven't seen before, but I'll do like the, like, it definitely is going for that also, that kind of monster squad type of vibe. Yeah. Except you have.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Exactly. And a bit of a strange of things kind of vibe in there as well. And you also have Mel Gibson and then they team up with him to fight monsters. So I'm very curious to see how this one's going to go down. I think it looks like it's just going to be like a fun little gateway horror film. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I agree with, with that.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Yeah. It looks decent. off. Looks like it could be worth a watch. Interesting little trailer. Bill? Yeah, exactly what Beed said.
Starting point is 00:33:12 It looks like a little gateway thing. It's kind of a Stranger Things rip off, but so is Stranger Things is rip off a bunch of other things. It's just the genre. I mean, very formulaic, but I'm sure it'll be
Starting point is 00:33:25 a fun summer kids movie or whatever, depending on whenever it comes out. Or is it a Halloween thing? Yeah, October 4. Okay, yeah. So good little kids' Halloween movie. So let me get this straight. For years, nobody would touch Mel Gibson, right? Like he was persona non-grata in Hollywood because of some... Don't think so.
Starting point is 00:33:48 I've got many releases. Okay. Yeah, he's been making a comeback. Mel's definitely back. So let's put around all of our children and see how they turn out. I don't know. It just seems like maybe not the best influence, but... But what do I know? He definitely looks like a grizzal little alcoholic in this, kind of like a bad news bears type character.
Starting point is 00:34:10 So fuck it. I'm in. I'll give it a shot, especially if I can bring the kids to see it. Why not? Yeah, and I got to take my daughter because she's seen the trailer and she's a big Sandlot fan. And for some reason, Ham,
Starting point is 00:34:22 the Sandlot shows up for like two seconds. Like I said, this comes out October 4th. I think it's getting a limited theatrical release. So be on the lookout for that And on to our second and final trailer Going along with the whole Devon Sawanissance That's what I call it
Starting point is 00:34:43 Sawanissance Consumed I believe this also stars Courtney Halverson And Mark I'm not even going to go try to pronounce his last name What'd you guys think of consumed Marcy will start with you
Starting point is 00:35:00 Yeah I thought it was a pretty good trailer. I hadn't heard of it or anything. I didn't even know Devon Thingy was in it. And then as I'm watching the trailer, I'm like, wait a second. And then, yes, it was. It looks like a, yeah, it looks like a decent little film. Yeah, like, I'm very curious to see this one.
Starting point is 00:35:20 It does look pretty intriguing and it does look creepy as well. And also, I am down for the Devon Sawadisance as well, especially between this and his appearances on Chucky. and also the fanatic which Marcy and I have big fans of. So I'm definitely curious to kind of curious to see how this one goes down because I think it does look like it's going to be a pretty compelling little film. Yeah, it looks creepy as hell. I mean, the woods, you know, the dark thing in the woods,
Starting point is 00:35:53 it looks like there's a pretty cool monster happening, the whole Windigo thing. I'm interested to see how they portray it because it's a little bit different in every movie, but it's always kind of cool. We need more Windigo stories. I like it. Lance. You mean you didn't get enough
Starting point is 00:36:12 in the Pet Cemetery remake? Unless you count stomping in the woods in the background. I know. Oh, we can't go over these branches. Just stay here. Just believe me, it's back now. Yeah, it looks great, man.
Starting point is 00:36:28 I mean, the trailer does it. I love these kind of trailers because they don't give too much away. It's almost like it's misdirection because at first I was like, are these cannibals or they cave people that the, you know, from the land that time forgot or what the fuck's going on here? So then you get all the weird colors in the end of it. And like you say, fill up the big monster's hand with the long finger and stuff. So this could be intriguing. I'm, I'm on board and I like a lot of the people that I see in and I've seen him and other stuff that have enjoyed. So I'm all in.
Starting point is 00:37:01 Yeah. Windigo and Hunter Dunbar as a mountain man. Man. December 27th. Okay. Weird time to release it, but I'll take it. Fun, fun holiday movie. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, right after
Starting point is 00:37:19 Nosferrati. Yes, there you go. And that's it for the trailers. All right. On to listener feedback. This week, we shine the podcast spotlight on Kevin Lane's Spill Your Guts cast. Kevin Lane's Spill Your Guts is a horror culture podcast featuring influential and up-and-coming talent in the genre. You're the fly on the wall to the most wide-ranging and entertaining conversations between horror cultures recognized Titans of Terror and genre expert and film director Kevin Lane.
Starting point is 00:37:53 All right. Check that out. Spill Your Guts cast. I like it. Let's see. My name is Darrell Hall, and I'm a co-producer. I wanted to see if there was any interest in promoting our horror movie. We're crowdfunding.
Starting point is 00:38:08 We're doing a launch on July 23rd and want to get the word out as much as possible. It's a horror short named Mermaids. At Mermaids on Film on Instagram. Exploring the fire of youth and female desire. Here we go, Marcy. This is what I was referring to. two young that's not what I expected
Starting point is 00:38:29 two young women exploring their sexuality in the underground New York City party scene transform into tentat tentacular monsters tentacular I guess
Starting point is 00:38:43 what is that I'm sure it's word Is it hentai? Is that what you mean? I guess so when they get around they turn into these monsters Mayhem ensues
Starting point is 00:38:55 Personally, I'm beyond excited to be involved with this project as I believe women should be empowered to be themselves without worrying about the judgment of others, especially when they turn into tentacular monsters. There are many very talented women and queer folk working on the project. I'm honored to be part of the journey. If you would be interested in doing a guest podcast with Adriana Vicole, I'm sorry, probably really fucked that up. at Adrian A-V-E-E-C on Instagram. Yeah, absolutely. I'll reach out. Yeah. Our writer...
Starting point is 00:39:33 Our writer-director, that would be a huge help, and I can connect y'all. Best Darrell Hall co-producer of Mermaids, a psychedelic resort. Only if John Oat shows up as well, right? Yeah. We get all-and-Ot.
Starting point is 00:39:48 It sounds like an interesting project. Yeah. Like species. Mermaids and tentacles. I have no idea what's going to. But there's something about women and I actually have no idea. Is this mermaids or Ursula? Good point. Regarding an image from Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare, Jeff Farley, says,
Starting point is 00:40:12 Those were my hands in the shot. Oh, look at that. Way to go, Jeff Farley, the hand model. In regards to Friday the 13th, part three, behind the six. scenes. Toby Hampton says, that's the same lady that played the crazy wife and police academy that was chasing Fakler and she had the same rollers in her hair and a nightgown. Oh, God. They hadn't seen Police Academy forever. Can you confirm that beat as a Friday the 13th film series expert?
Starting point is 00:40:43 I'm going to say yes. Okay. So I did get a chance to see the photo. So I did. So I'm going to say, yes, yes it is. I'll allow it. In regards to our recognition of top Engagers on Facebook page. Let's see, we got Sissy Lamere. Heck yes, I love your content and what you're all about.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Christina Rosuto says, you're welcome, and thank you. Thank you. Let's see, we got Poultry Guise behind the scenes. Don Lowry says the fact that real corpses were used is a real crazy fact. That it is. the movie had some of the weirdest occurrences and odd happenings to cast members there's quite a lot of stories and it's much like the way the exorcist had all of these odd
Starting point is 00:41:31 and very coincidental occurrences or accidents etc the poor actors didn't know they were real corpses so in the pool in the backyard she's with actual bodies nasty nasty I guess it was cheaper than buying fake ones is the story behind that. Yeah. No, that's what it was. It was cheaper to... Yeah, it was cheaper to get the, like, cadaver bodies or whatever than it was to buy fake skeletons and shit.
Starting point is 00:42:04 First, first... That's what happens when you... Whatever you call it. Give your body to science. They go to some weird movie. Production as a body. Donate your organs to make a movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Let's see. In regards to the Toxic Avenger remand. make. Oh, I think I left this one off news. This posting was about, I guess apparently they said the movie is too out there. Uh-oh. And it's not releaseable in theaters. Oh, no. This sounds so stupid. Just release the movie.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Yeah. Let's people fucking decide. Fuck it. Yeah. Put it on shutter or screen box or tube or something like that. Yeah. To be fair. To be fab. Yosef Nichols says for a toxic avenger remake, if it wasn't too out there for mainstream theaters,
Starting point is 00:43:01 they wouldn't be doing it right. There you go. There you go. In regards to The Witch, I thought it was one of the best I've seen in a very long time. The boy should have been awarded for his performance. Yeah. I forget to put down
Starting point is 00:43:20 name of who said that, huh? Someone said that. Sorry. Maybe it was Robert Eggers that wrote that one. Richard Stone says, I kind of dismiss any review that asked the question, who asked for this art? That's not how art works. Also true. Fair enough. And that's it for listener feedback this week.
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Starting point is 00:45:05 So we'll all become extinct. You have to stay vigilant. Do you understand? Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'll meet you right here before the sun sets behind that hill. It was good to see you. You're late!
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Starting point is 00:45:41 A father and his twin teenage sons fight to survive in a remote farmhouse at the end of the world. Director is Benjamin Brewer, also known for the visual effects on everything everywhere all at once. writers Mike Nelon almost got me also known for Braven in preparation for the movie Nick Cage isolated himself with his family for three months
Starting point is 00:46:05 Why the book would you not Bean do you want to start us off Yeah well I was very curious about this one Given like I was reading the premise And I thought okay this kind of has Sounds like it has a bit of a quiet place type of vibe
Starting point is 00:46:23 to it. But it has Nick Cage and also Jada Bartell, who are both really good actors. So I was very curious to see how this would turn out. And I got to admit, yeah, I wasn't really big on this one, to be honest. Like, I think the performances are all pretty
Starting point is 00:46:42 solid. And I think there's some interesting ideas in there. And I think the monsters that are featured in the film are very unique and just absolutely insane. And having read what they were inspired by, I'm like, okay, that kind of makes sense why
Starting point is 00:46:59 they look the way they look. What are they inspired by? Well, from what I was reading, apparently the director said that the design of the monsters was based on goofy. But not just goofy, but in, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:17 in the movie, a goofy movie in the dream sequence when Max has a dream that he's turning into goofy, he said that was like these monsters are like that in between between max turning into goofy that's how he described actually kind of checks out well I mean it's creative in you and I mean I've never seen monsters like this in a film before and when they do show up like I was legit when like the scene where Jane of Martel he's pretending to be asleep and then you see the creature's arm go like I
Starting point is 00:47:53 open up the window and it's going through and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And then it just extends and extends and extends and then it's like claw starts extending as well. I'm like, what the hell is this? Like there's great little moments like that. But I feel like, I think sort of, if I had to name, this movie should have been titled A Quiet Cage because that's what pretty much the movie essentially is. It feels like it's trying to go with that same type.
Starting point is 00:48:23 of vibe and tone and story of a quiet place, but it doesn't really quite work because the apocalyptic angle isn't really explored all that much. And also I feel like the filmmaking was another reason why I just didn't get on board with this one because the use of shaky cam was like really, really bad in this film. And it just really took me out of the film a lot, to the point where you can barely see what was going on in some scenes. But, yeah, I mean, the performances are all solid. Nick Cage is giving a much more subdued performance, and he works well at that. Although, I got to say, though, it really is more his teenage sons who are more in the
Starting point is 00:49:12 leads, because he's in it, Cage is in it for the first two thirds, then he gets injured, and then he's kind of sidelined for the rest of the film, until... the end. I feel like spending three months in solitude with your family for 20 minutes of screen time in a movie was probably a bit overboard. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, yeah, I just didn't really, I mean, other than the performances and the creatures, yeah, I didn't really get much out of this one, sadly. To me, I just found that a bit, a bit of a bore for most part. All right, Marcy. Yeah, I probably got a little bit more out of it than Bede,
Starting point is 00:49:59 but I actually haven't seen any Quiet Place films. Oh. Yeah, who's the real terrible Australian in my thing? I don't watch a lot of new stuff, it seems. So I can't really compare it to that at all. It is sort of a more subdued film. Like, it was interesting to start with, because you understanding this is sort of like a weird post-apocalyptic environment
Starting point is 00:50:24 and there's a man with his sons and you don't really know what's actually out there. But I think, I wouldn't say it's a bore. I would say it's just not paced very well. And it doesn't do a lot of actual world building because we don't really know what the hell has actually happened, why the world is the way it is, why certain things happen. we obviously find out in due time that there's like night creatures,
Starting point is 00:50:54 which is why they have to not be out when it's dark. So, okay, that makes sense. But I think the world around it doesn't get explored enough. And while Mr. Cage does give a pretty good performance, it, as being said, it is a film for the younger actors to really shine. And I think they did really good. I think it's just a lot of what surrounds the film that lets it down. It might perhaps be a little too quiet, not enough world building or intrigue.
Starting point is 00:51:29 I think the ending was interesting-ish. It sort of felt like it rushes anytime there's action and then takes too long on anything else. So it's just very uneven. That said, again, yeah, the creature design and what they look like, everything is really impressive. definitely the highlight of the film but yeah it's kind of a mixed bag because I don't think it quite achieves much
Starting point is 00:51:56 it does kind of open itself up to explore the world a bit more with how it ends but I don't know if it gave us enough to really care yeah good point uh Brian yeah I thought the acting was solid
Starting point is 00:52:15 um the creatures look super cool and different, but I had a lot of issues with this movie. I thought the story was a little here and there. Yeah. Are we about to break Lance? What's so funny? It's just, right, Brian is trying so hard to be polite and time. Okay, I'm going to say this one time. I'm never going to call the film Garbage or Trash, because I do not make films. I try to find a positive. do because I think people find it more easily to trash films. I didn't hate this movie. I just thought the storytelling was just kind of like we get introduced to Nick Cage and he has his two young sons and then we just completely jump to when they're teenagers.
Starting point is 00:53:06 We get no explanation on what happened in this world where these creatures come from. And at times, even with him and his sons, there was a part of the movie where I felt like, maybe Jaden Martel wasn't his son the way he treated him. And then that completely just went away, midway through the movie. Kind of uneven, huh? And as far as the sons, I thought they did a solid job acting.
Starting point is 00:53:32 It's just I had nothing connect to them. Just, I got nothing from them. Or what's, you know, this, the, I'm assuming the older one, I don't even know if we're doing sports. Are we doing spoilers? I think we're spoiler alert, right? Because it's a new movie. So we got to wait, right?
Starting point is 00:53:53 Okay. There's just situations where they act a certain way, and I got nothing to go off of where it came from, so I don't know which one to connect with more. Or even when they get in the situations, am I even rooting for them? So, yeah, I mean, I'll just wait until spoilers. But I thought the creature design was super cool.
Starting point is 00:54:17 I did have issues with the CGI in certain spots. Yeah. It was very transformery. Like, shit was moving too fast. Yeah, the sort of shaky cam and quickness of certain, like, of anything bad action just didn't, just doesn't work for me. Like, you need to be able to see this after you have, like, long shots of looking at almost nothing. Like, why are you speeding through the action? Yeah, I mean, something.
Starting point is 00:54:47 like that works with like the born identity because you're doing close up hand to hand it makes you feel like you're in there but i agree marcy with with this kind of action it didn't need the shaky cam so yeah i i didn't hate it but i definitely i i did come out disappointed in this one not enough cage too yeah oh for sure uh lance what started all this silly subgenre was it It comes at night, I think, the one with Joel Eagerton in it that I hated so much. Nothing happened. Nothing came at night because nothing happened, right? So we had it came at night, and then we had the Bird Box movies, right?
Starting point is 00:55:31 And then we had, as Veed mentioned, the Quiet Place movies, right? And now we've got this, right? And how long are we going to do this, crap, guys? I mean, did this all start with the road by Corrack McCarthy or what? What? You say it's a silly genre, but you've rated all those movies, except for it comes at night, very high. That's true.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Well, I'm going to rate this one pretty low. How about that, Brian? This would border me to tears, man. This was not good. This was not good. And Nick Cage just, I needed more Nick Cage. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I needed more Nick Cage.
Starting point is 00:56:14 and the boys just irritated the fuck out of me. And there was one thing that happened where one boy was allowed to do something, but the other wasn't. I'm like, are they trying to do like a prearranged marriage? Are they trying to make sure that he propagates the species? So they're bringing him in as like cattle like the bull. What the fuck is going on here?
Starting point is 00:56:35 They didn't explain shit in this. No, really. That's the problem. They didn't explain how they got there. I absolutely hated the creature design, guys. I'm sorry. You guys think it was, you have said CGI-ish, but you guys thought it was intimidating, or would you?
Starting point is 00:56:54 It was just unique. Like, I said to say creatures like that at all in another film. I haven't either. I guess they were just trying to do something different. I thought they looked different and unique. I don't think they don't necessarily scare me. You're going to knock them for being unique plants? I'm going to knock them for.
Starting point is 00:57:12 being a creature that look like a silly fucking Scooby-Doo cartoon to me. That's what I'm in an Anacobar. And what was the scene where the one boy was sitting in a chair in a room, in this finger, starts like stretching out. See, you already missed half of this conversation,
Starting point is 00:57:28 Lance. We've already covered this when you were gone. All right, I don't know. My wife started getting a leg cramp again and I had to go get her some more pickle juice. But speaking of pickle juice, after watching this movie, ha ha, ha. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Enough. I got to save the rest for spoilers, because I've got questions. I've got questions, and you guys may have answers. I doubt it. I don't think this movie explained enough to provide any answers. There's no world building, so we definitely don't have any answers. Well, and the problem with that is I kind of didn't really care about anybody. Not in the least.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Not even the cage. Village is getting mall to death, and I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are. Am I supposed to care about them? Because they were kind of being assholes. You got old Farmer Brown and Farmer Johnson and Farmer Lane and, you know. Yeah. What the fuck are we in like the middle of Kansas or what's going on here? Yeah, I don't know what it was. The creature was definitely unique.
Starting point is 00:58:31 My biggest problem with it was the CGI stuff. Like when they started moving really fast, like I kind of like... It's pretty CGI. Like, I wanted to see some details on the thing. I mean, if you're going to see GI it, that's fine. But, I mean, if it's moving a million miles an hour, all you're doing is covering up bad stuff. Yeah, I think it was a cool concept. It just, they just didn't do it proper.
Starting point is 00:58:57 And there's, there's, I agree. There's a bird. I can't remember the name of it. But it's got like this big bill and it'll snap its beak like that. So I think that that's probably where they pulled. that from and it's kind of insane and scary sounding when if you see it like i looked up a video of it i get into this weird shit but but and the bird's pretty terrifying looking on top of it uh but uh yeah no i i i didn't hate it like i liked it it was a fun like futuristic horror movie right i like
Starting point is 00:59:33 that stuff but yeah it was it was everything marcy said it was uh it was kind of the pacing was weird. They didn't really explain anything. And so I didn't really give me much to care about. Are you thinking of a dodo bird? Maybe. Could be. The ones that don't fly.
Starting point is 00:59:57 No, I don't know. It's not a dodo. It's maybe some type of dodo. It's real big. It's like fucking six feet tall and it's got this giant. No, fella. Yeah, no, I'm telling you. It's a real bird.
Starting point is 01:00:08 I can't remember the name of it. I'll figure it out. Here about this on the Alex Jones podcast or what? Joe Rogan. I think I know what you're talking about, Bill. Like, it's like, it looks evil. That's what I just remember. It looks very evil.
Starting point is 01:00:25 It's a weird looking thing, man. Okay. It does. It's like a big giant dodo bird, though. It's crazy. I'm going to look this bird. Is it a real bird or is it a movie? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:34 No, it's a real bird. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I think I found that it's a shoe bill bird. There it is. Yeah. What? A shoe bill.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Yeah. We have gone off. We've gone off topic. It's fucking crazy. It may be scarier than the movie was. Okay. Fair enough.
Starting point is 01:00:57 All right. It looks like the photos of this bird, it just looks like I'm going to fucking kill you. That's the look that it's like it has in every photo. Also known as a whale-headed stork. What's it cold? A shoe bill bird. Also known as a whale-headed store. Shoe that you wear or shoe like shoe
Starting point is 01:01:18 shoe fly. Yeah, no, it's like a shoe that you wear. Birds never have really good names. Ah, okay. That's definitely what they were thinking of when they created these creatures. Okay. Oh, yeah, that fucking thing. Yeah, they're not. Yeah, that's like Marcy the bird.
Starting point is 01:01:36 I'm not going to fuck you up, you kid. Yeah, my guess is that they would be an Australia. East Africa. That'd probably be a good guess. Where was it, Brian? East Africa.
Starting point is 01:01:49 East Africa. Okay. Well, that makes as much sense. Sure. Sure. All right. What do you think about scores? I'm big out of 10.
Starting point is 01:01:59 I'm going to give it about a 4 out of 10. Like, as I sort of said it before, I think the monster design is pretty interesting and unique. and I think the performances are all pretty solid, but like we kind of already said before, the world building isn't really particularly well done. Like, I remember one aspect of the film, it doesn't even go into is like pretty much like Nick Cage and his sons, they get harassed by creatures every night, but that farmhouse that that has the teenage girl that one of the sons is in love with, they sort of state in
Starting point is 01:02:34 the film that none of the creatures ever attack their. farm and I'm just thinking like how does that work? It never really explains it and also the filmmaking wise I think even though it does have some pretty good shots and style every now and again but yeah but it's the shaky care that kind of really stops the film from being more compelling than it needed to be so yeah four out of ten for me all right Marcy
Starting point is 01:03:03 I give it six out of ten Wow. It sits out of 10 with like, I think there's a lot of good stuff that is in there. It just doesn't quite achieve it. Right. It's almost. Yeah, I think it's on the verge of being something a lot better. But again, for the issues we've already discussed, there's no world building.
Starting point is 01:03:28 We can't see what's going on half the time. Because there's not enough world building and it's paced so weirdly, we don't really. we don't really get to know the characters or the world as we should. Yeah. And there's an average movie. Yeah. And there's no cage rage. And barely enough cage.
Starting point is 01:03:48 How he knew when he said, are we not, man? I know. Right. Brian promised me that was going to be his big scene. Brian swore to me on a Bible that once he said, are we not man? That he was getting going to full rage. Brian, why would you do that to me, man?
Starting point is 01:04:05 When did I do this? You saw the movie before I did. You guys heard it. It's permanently recorded. It's on one of our episodes. Brian said, oh, just think about it, guys. What if when he slams the table and says, are we not mad? He goes into full cage range.
Starting point is 01:04:21 You had me. I was pumped, dude. I don't know what you're talking about. Brian, what you think about scores? I'm right there in between Marcy and B, this is a five Just not enough to build off of But there was a lot of good ideas in here
Starting point is 01:04:43 It just wasn't fleshed out enough for me So I'm out of five All right Vince I got I got a good two I gotta go two on this This is rough
Starting point is 01:05:00 First of all you literally have four minutes and 37 seconds of Nicholas Cage in the movie. That's a problem. That's a big fucking problem. Four minutes. As the young people say, that's Cap. That's lying. He was in a movie more than four minutes. Well, I miss him. Lance, I think you might have did a, I think you did a bait and fell asleep during half his video. I don't know. Maybe I got bit by my shoe bill bird, but, uh, holy shit. Man, that was some of the worst. CGI that I've seen since somebody mentioned it,
Starting point is 01:05:37 Transformers. Really bad, come on. Really bad. I mean, when it's moving that fast, like Phillips said, it's almost like they're trying to cover up the mistakes of the bad CGA. I've seen CGI fire better than this movie.
Starting point is 01:05:53 What movie? This was bad. This was really, really, really bad. I mean, the two boys, I fucking hated them. I could have thrown either one of into a fucking pit and let the fucking dodo birds eat them or whatever. This was terrible. Every character in this movie to me was hateable, except Nicholas Cage, of course.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Other than him, who was incapacitated through most of the movie. Spoiler alert, sorry, said that a little too early. But I mean, holy smokes, man, I got to get people to decide not to watch this movie. I was so mad. I was so pissed off. I think what got me is when we were at that dinner table scene and Nicholas Cage slammed his hand down and did not go into a rage and just kept us calm and I'm like... Yeah, he was playing it totally straight.
Starting point is 01:06:42 I'm like, that's not why we hired you. I'm sorry, this is going to be on my bottom list, man. This is not good. Not good at all. Honestly, I felt like if he would have went full cage rage during that scene, I think you would have knocked him for it. It wouldn't have really have fit the movie. Well, until the monsters show up and they're a little cage-ragy.
Starting point is 01:07:08 They're more cage-rage than cages. It's crazy. Well, a lot of people don't realize I actually did play the goofy monster in this movie. That's what it was. I would have around and just went, and I played the version that just slapped three. most of the movie. That was actually engaged, planking his teeth together.
Starting point is 01:07:35 I was drinking of all the insane performances I'm giving in other universes in other movies. Oye, yoie. I'm going to give it a five. Okay. I think it was, I think it was, they had a good idea going.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Okay. How do you know? was the story? What happened? Why were they there? Why were the dodo birds there? The setting of the movie, I think, was cool. But why were the dodo birds there, Philip? I don't know, Alien invasion, maybe? Or something. How do we know that? What evidence is there that that's what it was? I know. And we had that the beginning where Nicholas Cage is running through the city. There's just like chaos garagata that they had like that shot of the sky. And I think it looked like a UFO. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Yeah, see, and I didn't even catch that part. I didn't realize there were even monsters until halfway through the movie. Took a while, didn't it? It stuck its hand in there. Yeah, it took it a while to get going, and it didn't do enough building while it was doing that. But I think there was a good movie in here somewhere. Had they changed a few little aspects of it, it could have been really good.
Starting point is 01:08:52 All right, spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Brian.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Well, I can't say I would love for somebody to spoil this for me. B brought up something that I wanted to bring up how you said the other farm was not affected. Or said they weren't affected. That's where the storytelling just kind of got wonky for me because... Yeah, fine. I'm about to get into it, Lance.
Starting point is 01:09:34 At the main farm of Nicholas Cage, they get attacked every night and eventually they find out that they start digging through the floor because they figure out they can't get in through the doors and windows. Okay. They do the same thing at the other farm. So did they just completely skip over attacking and just went straight to digging? I can't remember, but was the house like lit up or anything?
Starting point is 01:10:03 Or could it be just the location of where it was that maybe they'd tunneled in more towards that house? Like there's no real explanation except we understand they're digging underneath. But I'm thinking in terms of like, say Minecraft, if you light up your house a lot, you shouldn't get like the monsters breaking in because it's something like that. I don't know because I don't fucking remember. if the house was lit off. Yeah. Also, why can they get through the floor?
Starting point is 01:10:32 Played a lot of Minecraft. Or guerrilla tag, Philip. Yeah, there you go. Why can they get through the floor, but not the doors or windows? Can't figure out doors. I guess not. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:45 I think they can tear it. And I had an issue with the family at the other farm. Just the way they're like. Lots of issues. They had no. idea why this boy was coming to their farm? Because when he catches him kissing, he's like so shocked at what's going on.
Starting point is 01:11:06 You put him in a room together. What did you think it's going to happen? Well, see, that's what I thought. I thought they were bringing him up to breed him with the girl. That's why they let just him in there. It seemed like Nick Cage wasn't even 100% sure why he was going to this farm all the time. It did seem that way, didn't it? I assume they had some... trade agreement or something, but
Starting point is 01:11:28 trade his son seaman for what? I mean, come on, man. Nothing is actually really explained. That is the fundamental issue with this film. Okay. In all fairness, Marcy, if we
Starting point is 01:11:44 re-watched this movie and like did a commentary together, do you think we would get more out of it on second viewing? Probably not. Okay. I think maybe we would, because I think we would actually be looking because I didn't even brought up
Starting point is 01:11:59 them possibly seeing something in the sky in the beginning. I didn't even notice that at all. I think Bede made it up because I didn't notice it either. I'd say they hit that pretty well, didn't they? I mean, I don't say what I'm saying it's true, but it looked
Starting point is 01:12:16 like a UFO. I guess you guys are right. Not much to spoil here. Nicholas Cage laying in a bad like with cuts all over. room for an hour. Okay. Oh, sign me up. He doesn't get the cage
Starting point is 01:12:30 when he gets madass. Yeah, that ending was a perfect time for cage rage. Yeah, for sure. Right. And it never materialized. Just give me one crazy yell before you explode. Exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:45 All right. Let's move on to long legs. I saw a beast rise up out of the sea with seven heads and ten horns. And on his horns he wore ten crowns. On each head was written a blasphemous name. What aren't you telling me?
Starting point is 01:13:13 He'll kill and kill again. I know you're not afraid of a little bit of dark. In pursuit of a serial killer, an FBI agent uncovers a series of occult clues that she must solve to end this terrifying killing spree. director and writer is Oz Perkins, also known for the pretty little thing that lives in the house and the black coat's daughter. Despite the praise and acclaim of his portrayal as long-leged, Nick Cage has stated this will be his first and only portrayal of a serial killer for a film. In an interview with Indie Wire, Cage says, I know that the phone's going to be ringing off the hook to play serial killers after I do long-legs, and that's not really what I like to do.
Starting point is 01:13:59 I don't like violence. I don't want to play people who are hurting people. Says Dracula. Okay. Longlegs quotes the poem Satan says by Sharon Olds in his messages. The poem is about a girl locked in a cedar box being told by Satan that he can get her out if she blasphemes against her family. She does so, but Satan then seals her in the box and leaves her there. Oh, that's a good piece of trivia.
Starting point is 01:14:33 Beat, what do you think about long legs? Well, other than accidentally falling asleep during the course of the movie, which I did on the first few, I decided, you know what, I need to go back and see the film. So I went back and watched it a second time without falling asleep. And luckily I did it. I did it. I am very sure. I believe you. Okay.
Starting point is 01:14:59 maybe I might have just had my eyes were getting a little well starting to at one point but I resisted the urge but that being said though I don't think this is like I think it's a really good movie like overall like I
Starting point is 01:15:18 would say it's along the lines of something like the films that it's definitely influenced by like silence of the labs or severed or cure or anything like that, but I do think it's still a pretty solid supernatural serial killer film, and I like the fact that for most of it, it's very grounded in its approach to its story, while sprinkling all these weird elements in there, and then eventually going full-blown supernatural in the last half.
Starting point is 01:15:52 And I think it has some pretty interesting ideas and concepts that it explores. And I like the fact in a way you could kind of see this movie as being a companion piece to the Black Coates daughter because it has kind of very similar elements to that one as well. And I think the performances are all pretty strong. I think Micah Munro does a great job in the film. And Nicholas Cage, even though he kind of looks like a mix of like Mickey Rock and Miss Piggy in this film with his makeup design. Nailed it.
Starting point is 01:16:26 he is pretty creepy and he and and and also like the the rest of the performances are great i think the one i was very most impressed by was alicia whit who played micha monroe's character's mom i thought she was really really good uh it has some great bit of atmosphere it's unsettling and i think it's just a a pretty solid little movie like i would say it's an amazing movie by any means but I think for what it is, I think it is still a pretty damn good one. Okay. Marcy? I love this film.
Starting point is 01:17:07 This is the thing like when I saw, well, I think the Black Coates' daughter is the only other Oz Perkins directed film I've seen. And watching that film felt like it was very much like geared towards me. So again, long legs feels like it's very much geared towards me. me with how it kind of goes along with its story and the characters and what happens. It reveals itself in weird ways and it comes at you with a bit of a shock as well. And yeah, Nicholas Cage is great. Like absolutely, just one of these just very memorable performances. and his like makeup as long legs,
Starting point is 01:17:57 it is the remnants of Mickey Rourke's face with the remnants of Donatella Vasachi's face. Oh, God. Nuts, it's nuts. It's nuts. Like, I'm glad that the marketing didn't really reveal him at all. So when you do see him fully, it's like, oh, my God. But I like that we sort of have this thing where he's a serial killer,
Starting point is 01:18:21 but then is he really a serial killer because as the things go through, like things are kind of questioned as to how things are done. So I really, really liked that. So we get this very mysterious story. And again, Michael Monroe is a fantastic actress. She is fantastic in this. She can play Freddie Kruger. She can play against Freddie Kruger.
Starting point is 01:18:49 Do do something. That sounds a lot of fun. And again, Alicia Witt is an absolute standout. Give her a fucking Urban Legends movie, please. But yeah, it just sort of... She plays creepy well. Yeah, like being said, it sort of is more grounded to start with, but then it creeps into the more supernatural stuff.
Starting point is 01:19:10 And I really, I really liked it. Like, I feel like Oz Perkins is out there probably just making films that appeal to me. That said, I definitely need to check out. his other works, but it still blows my mind that Oz Perkins was the nerdy guy in fucking legally blonde. Like, what? Wow. But yeah, I appreciate a really just strange,
Starting point is 01:19:41 slow burn, messed up kind of movie. And I'll be right back because my dog has to go to the toilet and he's barking at the door. No problem. I've been driving me nuts this whole goddamn time. Brian, what did you think? I really enjoyed this one also. I didn't know there was no supernatural elements to this movie,
Starting point is 01:20:02 which it was a big, pleasant surprise to me. I thought this was a straightforward, grounded, serial killer detective or FBI movie. Yeah. I thought the performances were great. Michael Monroe, I probably liked her. I can't tell you
Starting point is 01:20:17 one thing I've not liked her in that I've seen. Alicia Witt the only thing that I didn't even know that was her when I seen her in the role Yeah, which was a testament to how she played the role
Starting point is 01:20:31 because I only know her from Urban Legend and a couple episodes she did in the Sopranos which she kind of played played the character the same way which in Urban Legend she's probably to me the least likable character and seeing her do this role the way she did yeah I would like to see
Starting point is 01:20:50 you come back and do something else. Yeah. She's like really pretty, but like an annoying kind of way. Okay. Another standout role that I thought was pretty good as sporting role was Blair Underwood as the... Agreed. Yeah. I don't know. Perfect for who he was playing, man.
Starting point is 01:21:10 Yeah, head FBI guy. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was well done. I thought all the promotion for this movie was excellent. how we didn't really get to see Nick Cage's face until we saw the movie. And you didn't even get to see his face right away. You just got glimpses and they would cut away. And I really enjoyed that.
Starting point is 01:21:33 And yeah, pleasantly surprised. I was a little worried this movie was going to get a little overhyped, like, kind of violent nature. It was a little overhyped for me. Yes, exactly. But I liked it. I really did. All right. Lance, what do you think?
Starting point is 01:21:51 I was a little bit irritated when this movie started out, right? Because it showed this little tiny red square, like where the credits and stuff like that were showing. And then it's like, okay, cool, that's kind of neat, you know, visually impactful, a little red square in the middle of the big screen in the movie theater. And then they fucking stayed there. It's like, really? Like, you know, you've got this little teeny square when you've got a whole screen to work with. And then as you get into the part where the first scene of the movie, which kind of sets it all up,
Starting point is 01:22:27 sort of gets you where you need to be and you understand because it was sort of retro. It was, the movie itself was set in a retro time period, and this was even like a jump back in time from that, like when a certain character was younger. So I'm like, I kind of see how they, why they did it that way.
Starting point is 01:22:42 It was kind of like an old 8mm, you know, video or something like that. Speaking of 8mm, Nick Cage, right? So I thought it was pretty cool the way they did that. And then, you know, the screen slowly got bigger as it went through the main credits and went into the film itself.
Starting point is 01:23:00 So I'm going to say that I really adored this movie, man. This was, I don't know. This was kind of like a master class in acting. I guess Oz Perkins is like really, really, really, really good. I see him as kind of being like an Arioster and that it seems like. he can bring out the best performances from everybody who was in a movie because I'm going to tell you right now, Brian,
Starting point is 01:23:23 you said you've really never seen Michael Monroe and anything you didn't like her in. I would differ a little bit because like that one where she was in like Budapest or whatever, like in that apartment and that weird dude was following her and it was
Starting point is 01:23:39 real predictable, look like a Hitchcock type movie. Yeah, the watcher. The watcher, not a great to me. Well, we talked about that. Was it her performance or was it the movie? I get your point. I get your point. I'm going to tell you right now,
Starting point is 01:23:55 she was pure fucking genius in this movie. The way that she was sitting on the bed in that one scene where the daughter was said, do you want to see my trophies? You want to see my room? And she was like just sitting there like and then she would sort of talk. And so you know she's definitely like somehow on the spectrum
Starting point is 01:24:11 or something weird is going on. Yeah, that's kind of what. But totally. And Blair Underwood was perfect for what he. what the role that he was at. Hell, even the little, you know, young teenage girl at the hardware store that had like, you know, less, she had more screen time than Nick Cage and Arcadian, but not that much screen time, right? Even she was great, man. That was just that perfect fucking deadpan delivery. And then, Dad, the weird dude's here again and just, I mean, Nicholas Cage was amazing. Absolutely
Starting point is 01:24:41 fucking amazing. This was, I don't know, I'm going to say this is his best performance. that I've seen in several years. I really loved it. Yeah, was the makeup a little over the top? Maybe, but I mean, it was kind of... I love that first scene where you can only kind of see as Jen and not anything above it. I kind of wish they'd stuck with that a bit.
Starting point is 01:25:00 But you know what? No movie's perfect. I got a lot out of this one. The scenery in the atmosphere, this is the first movie I've seen in a while that made me literally sick to my stomach in certain scenes because it was so fucking creepy. And the camera work threw you off so much.
Starting point is 01:25:19 Like there was one scene where a certain character woke up and, like, they were upside down, right? Like the camera was tilted upside down. And you're like, where the fuck are we? What's going on? And then you're in one place where I thought we were at this other layer, but it comes to find out I'm part of this other place that I'm had. Like you guys said, the acting from the mother was just fucking top-notch, man. and chef's kiss type acting. I don't know what Oz Perkins did
Starting point is 01:25:49 to get these kind of performances out of these people, but for fuck's sake, it worked for me. And the camera work was gorgeous. The movie lost me a little bit in the third act, and we'll go into that later. But you are right, Bede and Marcy. You guys both nailed it.
Starting point is 01:26:06 It started out as just a regular procedural, you know, Silence of the Lamb's Seven type movie, and then it turned into something different. But I went with it. I kind of enjoyed what it did. I liked it. And I can tell you right now, I haven't been this creeped out
Starting point is 01:26:21 with satanic talk and satanic imagery in a movie in a long time. Because you see a lot of the shit. I wouldn't say creeped me out. Because I don't think things creeped me out. Maybe a little uneasy. And I think uneasy is just how some of the scenes played out. But I wasn't like scared.
Starting point is 01:26:40 But I should also add. I was kind of scared. I really was. really high and on edibles and I managed to be fine so there you go. That might have helped me. It does. Focus on that sucker, man. I did the same thing.
Starting point is 01:26:55 We got to move on because I could talk about this movie for a long time. I really enjoyed it. We'll get there in some spoiler talk. Yeah, I liked it a lot. I think it looked like if Quentin Tarantino was trying to direct a horror movie but without the comedy, right?
Starting point is 01:27:12 It actually felt a lot like the first season of True Detective to me. Like they had that sort of feel and then it got a little more supernatural and I actually really enjoyed that. Nick if you didn't get enough cage rage
Starting point is 01:27:28 from the last one, here it is. It's not quite Mandy level. A tale of two cages. Oh, you get you definitely especially that scene, it's not really a spoiler. When he leaves that little store. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. He does the scream I wanted in Arcadian in this movie. Yeah. Now that's
Starting point is 01:27:52 Cage rage. Um, I, it was, okay, so I know Nick Cage is supposed to be really creepy and weird, and I think he really knocked it out of the park. But having that character be Nick Cage almost took me out of it a little bit because he was so over the top. A little cagey. Is not necessarily, necessarily a bad thing, but I was kind of waffling back and forth on it, because every time he showed up, I'm like, I don't know if this matches the feel of the movie. Right. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, though, like, its performance as log legs, I think it's probably the closest we're ever going to see Nick Cage play The Joker in a movie, because that's what it kind of reminds me of. Yes, for sure.
Starting point is 01:28:39 Very chaotic, right? Yeah. Chaotic evil. I didn't hate it. It's my only like sort of like waffly criticism, I guess. That's not really a good way to explain that, but you get it. Oh, it is. I got you. But yeah, I do think it was a pretty great film. Even just as a straight up suspense thriller movie where they're tracking down all the little clues is a lot of fun. And yeah, Michael Monroe, she played it so great. Like I loved the way that she pulled that roll off. And then once it's a lot of fun. And yeah, Michael Monroe, she played it so great. Like, I loved the way that she pulled that roll off. And then once it. it explains why it makes it even better, because then it sort of changes. But we'll get into that.
Starting point is 01:29:20 Yep, yep, yep, yep. All right, scores, B. I'm going to get this about an eight out of TED. I think it's a pretty atmospheric and unsettling little film that's full of great performances. And I like that it sort of gradually, I mean, with the story and its supernatural elements, So I like it that it's gradually kind of seeps in as it goes on.
Starting point is 01:29:45 And also one of the things I find interesting as well is like if you look very closely in the background of a lot of scenes, some more noticeable in others that the devil is actually in the background on certain seeds. I definitely picked up seeing things and I'm like, ooh, I don't think they lost in that. They just, I think, released a trailer, a little featurette online where you can, if you've already seen, movie, of course. It points out where I think it was like six times. Oh. The devil appears. This is the
Starting point is 01:30:18 movie I want to watch again. Oh, yes. Yeah, it is it, yeah, actually, having watched this film twice, I can tell you one thing, and we're going to go in the spoilers at a second. We're watching the film again. There's a lot of foreshadowing or throughout this
Starting point is 01:30:34 film. Yeah, because it really kind of, especially in the interview scene between Micah Monroe and Nicholas Kaye just there's a lot of like little hints you're like on a second viewing like oh I see what he's talking about in regards to where the film goes in the third act yeah this gets nine Hail Satan's out of ten I think it's a fantastic film awesome um Oz Perkins keep making films that appeal to me I will enjoy that very much so yes uh people should see long legs because fantastic nine out of ten be what
Starting point is 01:31:10 was your score? Oh, eight out of ten. Eight of ten. Okay. I actually thought yours was going to be lower and I thought, oh, geez, you're going to get punched out with a low score. Well, to be fair, I... Well, to be fair, on that first viewing, I didn't give it any rating because I'm like, I fell
Starting point is 01:31:26 asleep for some of this. Maybe I need to watch it again before I give it a proper rating. I mean, it's such a dick. Brian, what do you think? Right now, I do want to watch it again, but now I'm at eight and a half. I thought the acting was solid. The music, I don't think we even talked about the music, it just added to the atmosphere in the movie. Lance, you brought up the cinematography, the shots were beautiful. Yeah. And I do, I hear what you're saying, Phil, but I do
Starting point is 01:31:59 think this is one of Nicholas Cage's best performances. Yeah. Oh, I agree. Lance? there are a couple of movies that I like more on first watch than this one I think but this is the one I probably want to rewatch the most so maybe it's not fair that I'm giving it a slightly lower rating than a couple of other movies so far this year but it's a good solid 8 on 10 but that score could easily go up after two or three more of you long as it's higher than night swim see and I do feel like this one has kind of a lot of rewatch ability to it for being so slow.
Starting point is 01:32:40 There's so much going on. So many little details in the background, right. I think you're right, because with the, I talked about the promotion for the movie, there was all these cryptic messages. I think there's cryptic stuff in the movie that on rewatches, you'll start to see and realize more things are happening than you did the first time you watched it. And so I feel like this one is going to kind of be one of those sleeper hits where maybe
Starting point is 01:33:05 it doesn't make a ton of money in the box office, but it might become a cult classic. It already has been a pretty good at the box office for the kind of film it is. Yeah, for the kind of film it is. But like, I feel like it's going to get a wider audience once it, like, you know, like the big LaBausc. Oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, at our screening, like, we actually were thinking, oh, we'll be easily be able to get tickets. And then we checked and it's like, oh, shit, it's almost sold out.
Starting point is 01:33:33 You know what? That's fair. because I went today like a freaking Tuesday afternoon at 3 o'clock and I mean it's a summertime and a beach town but still I figured I'd have pretty much the theater
Starting point is 01:33:46 to myself and there was like right you know at least yeah 1015 and other people in there so far it's maybe you weren't able to you weren't able to take your pants off in other words no so far it's made over
Starting point is 01:34:00 53 million off a 10 million dollar budget oh nice Look out for the sequel. Long legs to electric boogaloo. No, I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say longer legs. That could be the sequel. Longer legs.
Starting point is 01:34:18 At least it did it better than Kevin Koster's horizon, huh? I don't know what it is. Although I feel like, I feel like the movie I'm going to see tonight might make a hell of a lot more money, which is Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh, maybe. Possibly. Tonight you're going to go see it?
Starting point is 01:34:37 Yes. Oh, wow. That's awesome. Oh, no. Comes out for a couple days. Advanced screenings and Australia is in the future. Nice. That's true.
Starting point is 01:34:49 Upside down and in the future. I'm going to go, I'm going to go eight and a half for now, I think. Nice. I think it's only going to go up in the future after I watch it again because I'm kind of excited to watch it again. Part of the reason for that is Nicholas Cage. Like, he does play that character so over the top, but it's also so unique that it's, uh, that it sort of makes the movie now that I'm thinking about it. Anyway, uh, all right. Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
Starting point is 01:35:23 You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Lots going on in this movie. Well, I'll bring something up. One of the big unexpected things in this film that I was genuinely shocked by is the death of long legs and where it happens and how it happens.
Starting point is 01:35:54 He takes himself out. Would it really work like that, though? I mean, she could not get a knock on conscious murder. I had a little bit of a problem with that. he smashed his head to pieces on the death he did he did hit pieces i mean i did not expect like this character was just going to do well their physical body was just going to die because he did it to himself like holy shit i mean it's hot tonight not enough nick cage for me but i'm sorry go ahead be well it's gonna say like it's possible because if he because he
Starting point is 01:36:29 knows like split apart so it's possible like he bagged his nose like so hard that his cartilage and his nose just went straight up into his break. They say that can happen. I think Brian, Brian, you've done that book to a few people before, haven't you? Brian's been in a couple of street fights. Well, you realize in Conair,
Starting point is 01:36:52 Cage does this, and that is what kills the guy. Like, all that goes up through his brain. That's how it kills the guy and goes to jail for manslaughter or whatever it was. So that's what he's doing. how he did it. And also, I think... I was not expecting that at all.
Starting point is 01:37:09 Like I thought, this character's not living, what's happening? Called manslaughter. And also, let's not forget it, you'll be, you probably would have been happy about this,
Starting point is 01:37:19 Marcy, is that it's also kind of an evil doll movie as well. Yeah, there are creepy fucking dolls that, uh, what,
Starting point is 01:37:28 it sort of helps with the, um, all the shit going on. Like, that was a, extra like very unsettling element when you see those dolls. I'm like, look, even if it was trying to control me, I'm still not going to go anywhere near a doll that looks like me.
Starting point is 01:37:43 Get fucked out of here with that. Yeah, I like we got to see how these dolls affect people at the end. Yeah. With the Blair Underwood when the wife is like, the wife is somewhere else. She's like in an old timely sitcom the way she's just sitting there smiling, asking him, can you got to cut the cake? And he was like, yeah, I'll cut the fucking cake. Yep.
Starting point is 01:38:07 It had already been. See, and that's, I like the supernatural aspect of it. It gives, it gives those like suspense crime thrillers, which I already love. Like, just an extra layer of stuff that I like. That's, that's my lane, dude. Suspense, thriller, supernatural, and horror. And Satan. And Satan.
Starting point is 01:38:29 And Marcy, you brought up the Black Coat's daughter. I didn't even know Kieran and Shipka was in this movie. She plays the girl that's in the asylum. Yes, yes, yes. And she played that role amazing. Yeah, that's another, like, a really good scene. And, again, great performances, like, to sort of try and unravel what the fuck is going on. Yeah, I just loved her performance.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Yeah, just called her. What did she call her? A Dirty Flirty Angel bitch. I'll kill you right now. if that's what he wanted me to. That's right. Yeah. That's right.
Starting point is 01:39:05 Like in the dialogue, if he wanted me to, if he wanted me to jump out the window. That was some fish. I'd be happy to see the ground coming up to me. I was like, whoa. Wow. But yeah, the dialogue was a little goofy there, but like she pulled it off. She delivered it with such confidence that it, like, made it work. I was like, I don't think anybody talks like that ever.
Starting point is 01:39:32 Another thing I was. surprised by was the inclusion that Michael Monroe's character might be clairvoyant because the FBI was testing her. Oh yeah, she was totally clairvoyant. That was what started the
Starting point is 01:39:49 supernatural part of the movie, right? But was she or was she just half-ass possessed by the doll? And this was, this was the... I didn't even think about that, yeah. This was the plan all along. Because, but again, like, with the murder thing,
Starting point is 01:40:05 at the start of the movie where she knows it's the killer's house. Like that's not related to long legs at all. No, I don't think it was. But then that makes me question if we had some kind of powers, because then that makes more sense like why she got on their radar for that
Starting point is 01:40:22 rather than just with long legs. So I think she does. Maybe that's why long legs picked her. Yeah, I would say that's probably why because he left her alive. I mean, obviously, because the mom did the deal, but
Starting point is 01:40:37 I think we left her alive for more reasons than making it a deal with the mum. Which again, like I thought, oh, Alicia Witt's kind of, you know, doing a really unrecognizable, creepy job, but then we get the twist where she's
Starting point is 01:40:53 been the accomplice the whole time, and that also threw me, like, oh, wow. Like, there was so many layers to the story that get revealed towards the third act that are like, oh, wow. But like, yeah, that was, that was great, though, that her whole explanation and then breaking down everything, and then she just stands up and says, Hail Satan. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:16 Oh, yeah. And let's not forget Nick Cage saying that at the very end of the movie, Bede. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And giving a kiss as well. And also, I think what's interesting, though, is like, you, with the, with the twist, you find out that Alicia Witt was helping long legs. the entire time. I also like the fact that in a way, when it goes into that sequence where she's basically telling her story about why all this happened, like you do actually feel a lot of sympathy for the character because she, the reason she did this was to protect her daughter so that
Starting point is 01:41:55 long, she wouldn't be long legs next victim or for Satan. So, and then, of course, she realized, reluctantly does this because let's just face it, if a guy like long legs came to your house and said like along the lines, I got a doll for you from the church, you won their round for, why did you have this? And then started like randomly singing like songs and all that, I'd be like, ah, get the fuck off my lord and get away from me. But the fact that she, she goes there, dresses up as a nun, that kind of, yeah, obviously. disarming, right? Disarming. But at the same time for a while, at the beginning, you see, like, she doesn't want to do this, but she has to protect her daughter. But over time, she gradually takes on that mantle and she fully becomes evil. And she starts becoming possessed. Yeah. I mean, you saw when she shot the doll, the black smoke came out of Michael Monroe's head. I thought that was a great effect, man. Oh yeah. And that's when you know you're into full supernatural mode, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:10 And it makes me wonder, like we sort of talked about this before. Like, is it because, like, she was on long legs radar that because her doll was still around and still had the little ball inside it that Satan hides into, you know, to sneak into people's houses? I don't know how that works, but it just is. But is that why- I can buy it though. I can buy that. Unlike Arcadia with the dodo birds.
Starting point is 01:43:40 Yeah, but I mean, is that the reason why Micah Munro had psychic abilities? It's because of that. And then once her mom shoots the doll. I think you're right. No, I think you just. That's when. I think that makes perfect sense. You see a puff of black smoke coming out of Micah Monroe's head, and I think that's
Starting point is 01:43:57 her losing her psychic ability. And also another twist as well. There's a lot to this movie. Yeah, and also Long Legs was in the basement of her mother's house this entire time as well. Yeah, and technically with what we see in this film, he didn't kill anybody. He just sent her to do all the doll things. Okay, question. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:44:25 No, this question for Marcy, because Marcy says that As Perkins speaks to her in the movies that she's, seen. Do you think that Disney will approach, and I'm being serious here, do you think they'll approach Oz Perkins to do like a, let's say, a Star Wars or a Marvel movie? Could you see that? I mean, potentially, but I don't know if that's the direction he would go in. Fair enough. I mean, considering who his father was, Anthony Perkins, why, I mean, maybe he doesn't want to touch the material, but I would say an Oz Perkins
Starting point is 01:45:05 psycho story would actually be very interesting. I wouldn't mind seeing Oz Perkins direct except for like a Midnight Suns movie where you pull together you know Blade and We're Off by Night and all these, you know,
Starting point is 01:45:20 horror characters from Marvel. I think that might be interesting actually. Just a thought. I could definitely see that but I could see Oz Perkins go if he was going to do like a big franchise film. I could see him doing a horror franchise. Like maybe
Starting point is 01:45:39 Halloween or the... Oh, God, no. We've been Halloween to death, man. Come on. Oh, okay. Like, for an example... Here we go. Oz Perkins is going to do... He's a... We're fan putting him into a new nightmare on Elm Street with Michael Monroe. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. They tag him to do something like like that. Because it's dark.
Starting point is 01:46:03 Pull it off. Yeah. I would agree. I would agree. Okay. So. I think we all love him and we love this movie. How many, how many people was he like, because he said that like her mom was the seventh one or something and then he had an eight. Sure.
Starting point is 01:46:20 Was he trying to get 10? Is that what the goal? There was. There was so much numerology in this movie too, Philip. Well, because I don't know. The 10 heads that come up or whatever. And so I was thinking maybe he was trying to get 10. but I'm not sure
Starting point is 01:46:34 I'm not sure what happened at the end. I was a little weird about the ending. Let's rewatch it. Let's rewatch it. Let's rewatch it right now. I'm down to do a commentary for this movie next week. Oh, sorry, Nereldin. We've got to do your three movies.
Starting point is 01:46:50 But one day, maybe. I was like, the movie just sort of ended and I was like, well, wait a minute. You know? It did end very quickly, didn't it? Yeah. But Nicholas Cage had that final kiss at the screen. That was amazing, but you did. Did you ever think before you died,
Starting point is 01:47:08 you'd see that? No, definitely not. But I think what's interesting, though, is like the ending kind of reminded me of seven, which basically the bad guys won in the end. Like, yeah, long legs is dead. And basically, that's the reason why Alicia Witt destroys her daughter's doll is because, like, she's now free and doesn't have to worry about him. But she's still going to continue doing this last bit of work for the devil. Did they start the apocalypse or is just Satan continues killing people? I don't understand. I think so.
Starting point is 01:47:45 I think the other thing is implying like even though, yeah, she, like Michael Monroe saved that his boss's daughter, but at the same time, I don't think it's going to stop the devil from doing this to somebody else down the same. the track, fight another long legs or anything like that. I was worried, I was worried it was going to be the little girl. Or her, or Micah Munro would take over. I think Mike is free now. The mom said, you're free.
Starting point is 01:48:14 He's free now and so are you. And then she smiled, but then she went back to her dirty deeds, right? Yeah. I thought the little, I thought Blair Underwood's daughter, I think might be the next. All right. And then, but then, like, okay, so she shoots at the doll. she'd only fired two or three shots into into old dude
Starting point is 01:48:35 I know and then pop their mom with one that leaves at least one left or two I don't know why I'll kill the dog it was probably like a six hour or something right it probably wasn't like a you know a six shooter
Starting point is 01:48:52 yeah she probably would at least 12 bullets in the chamber you think she has a lot of explaining the dude There's a lot of explaining to that because let's not forget the other dead FBI agent outside her mom's house that her mom shot with the shotgun. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Twice. Oh, and I will give her credit. Dude, she was actually holding the gun right, which nobody ever does in movies. So, props to her. All right. So that's, I think that we can move on
Starting point is 01:49:24 to thanking you guys for joining us and where can all the listeners find you? What are you guys up to? I know, Bede, you're all over the social media. You've got TikTok videos. You've got all kinds of only fans. Come on. Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 01:49:42 You guys want to see Bede's but all? Yes. Yes, go see it over there. But anyway, so in terms of like everything that Marcy and I do for the Super Network, you can listen to all of our shows because we have five shows on the network, and you can listen to them on all podcast streamers. everywhere and also on the website, supermarsie.com.
Starting point is 01:50:02 You can find all information on the show, on Twitter, Blue Sky, Facebook under the Super Network. And in terms of myself personally, you can follow me on Twitter, Blue Sky, Letterbox, under Bede Jemine. You can find all my work over at supermarsie.com and also listen to my solo podcast,
Starting point is 01:50:24 Beed versus the Living Dead, and it's spin-off Beat and Steve versus Camp Crystal Lake on all podcasts. streamers everywhere as well. Yes, and my personal information, I'm on the socials as Super Marcy. I'm on letterboxed as Super underscore Marcy. And it is the best place to see the weird and wacky things I watch on a regular basis. All right, very nice. And as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.
Starting point is 01:50:57 You know where to find us. thehorror returns.com. Pretty simple. Go anywhere you want from there. Next week, Nareldin is back, our patron, with three movies. We're going to watch Tales from the Hood, the original.
Starting point is 01:51:12 Let's see, what else? Savage Land and, oh, how's this for a feel-good movie? The Nightingale. Do you get seen that one? Yes, we have. I haven't. Yes, nothing. Oh, I won't give it away then.
Starting point is 01:51:27 feel good movie to come out of Australia. I'm watching it right after we do this with my wife. It'll be great. I wouldn't do that, but okay. So, Philip, since you're on the high note right now, until the horror returns again, good night.

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