The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #426: CAGE RAGE IS BACK! - Arcadian (2024) & Longlegs (2024)
Episode Date: July 26, 2024It's CAGE RAGE week again at THR. So, of course, we are joined by our friends Marcey and Bede from Super Network. Cool of the week includes Cobra Kai, Twisters, A Quiet Place Day One, Disturbia, and T...iana's Bayou Adventure. Trailers are Monster Summer and Consumed. The podcast spotlight shines on Kevin Lane's Spill Your Guts. And we get feedback from Daryll Hall, Jeff Farley, Toby Hampton, Sissey LaMaire, Christina Rizzuto, Don Lowery, Yoseph Nickles, and Richard Stone. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz
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action. The horror returns on my, your uncle Lloyd Kaufman. And I have one thing to say to you,
your podcast sucks, but I don't mean that. It's great. Kevin did that. Kevin put me up to it.
We slept together, I admit it. Oh no, oh no. Greetings victims. For those of you who delight and dread,
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and the new, the best, and the worst in horror.
Welcome back, everybody, to The Horror Returns.
I'm Lance and with me, as always, my co-host, Brian and Philip, but it's Cage Rage Night.
So you know what that means?
The folks from Downanda are coming to pay us a visit.
We've got Bede and Marcy, of course, from Super Network.
work. How's it going, guys? Hello, how's it going?
Hello, it's me, Nicholas Cage, and also Nicola Cage. We're all, we're taking over the podcast.
We're not actually from Down Under.
I was hoping that fell up.
Yeah, that was quick.
But seriously, though, we're here, we're back, and we're looking forward for more Cage Rage for this episode, because we always love talking some Cage, we
you guys. Yes, and I
tend to keep missing them, so I'm
glad to actually be here.
Yeah, here we are.
And unlike the, you
reminded me beat of the Ricky O fiasca
where we had to re-record, you're actually
here on the recording with us this time.
Yes, at least until
we check it that it's not recording,
which don't worry, it kind of happened to us
as well on our
show, because we had to,
I think it was when Marcy and I
and our friend Matt, we did an audio
commentary for sleepwalkers.
I forgot the hit record
and we had to go back and do it again like
a week later.
It definitely wasn't as funny as the lost recording
though. That was cold.
Yes. Been there, done that.
Been there, done that.
Yeah. All right. Well, what's going on over there
at the network? You've still got all the shows
going on, I take it, right? After Dark.
Beed versus the Living Dead.
Crystal Lake. What is it called? Crystal Lake?
like fun memories, is that what it was called?
Well, I guess my show's
B-D versus the Living Dead and B-Den-C versus Cair Crystal.
Like, they're not even part of the Super Network.
They're their own separate universe.
Because Marcy and I, we have,
our solo shows are outside the Super Network
and anything that's Super Network related
is what we do together.
And, Marcy, we've been pretty busy
with a lot of shows.
We've been just busy in general that our whole podcast schedule, schedule has gone out the window a little bit.
But recent episodes you can check out.
There are a few on supermassy.com, home of the supernetwork.
There's some Osploit cast episodes.
So you can hear all about some mid-80s Osploitation films.
there is the part one and part two of the Stephen King Frank Darabont adaptations over at the King's
zone and of course we have as of this week as of recording we have just wrapped up
shark month over at the To Be Tuesdays and it was a wild ride let's just say that we saw
puppets we saw a shark with a chainsaw we saw a Hulk Hogan in first place
There was a lot going on that for the month of Shark Month.
Oh, go get impersonator.
That's awesome.
Everybody, go listen to the Cruel Jaws episode because A, B, wasn't on it, so that makes it funny.
And also, the episode is absolutely hilarious.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Now, here in the States, here in the States, we do Shark Week in Australia.
We did Shark Month.
Yes, we did Shark Month because of Shark Week.
Yes.
And Colin said he was really high and we shouldn't have listened to him.
But we're like, fuck, dude, no idea is too stupid for Tooby Tuesdays.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And we covered quite a lot of insane shark movies that month.
I think my pick was Ghost Shark, which I know you guys did an audio commentary for.
And we also did puppet.
Great.
The slip and slide was the best. Oh my God.
Then we did a puppet shark, which was a shark movie with just puppets.
And then we did one called...
And then we did a Swedish movie called Jaws of the Shark where a dude was like basically wearing the left shark
from the Super Bowl and going around and murdering people with a chainsaw.
There's no shortage of them.
And for some reason, every single character in the film is wearing a wig.
Like a wig wig?
Like a glorious wig?
And Bede was like, I need all these for my wig collection.
Jesus Christ.
So kind of like a wig that would be worn by like Joel Osteen or someone that runs a megachurch, basically.
Basically it's a wig that would have been worn by our.
main attraction actor for this episode.
Yes.
Yes, I can see that.
All right, well, so what about After Dark?
What's going on with After Dark?
I wish I could tell you, I have plans.
I just need time to actually get them done.
But all previous episodes are available to listen to at the After Dark podcast feeds.
Well, we have some listener feedback, I think, tonight, Marcy,
that you might want to pay particular attention to
because I think it's a film that might be right up your alley
to cover for After Dark.
We shall see.
But in the meantime, let's get around to our famous Cool of the Week.
Who wants to go first?
I'll jump in first.
I'll go.
Sorry.
Oh, what do we got?
Who's jumping in?
Phil or B?
Point toss.
I'll go, yeah.
So I took the kids to go see Twisters.
It just came out.
My wife was a big fan of the original.
It was one of her favorite movies when she was a kid.
And, man, this one did it justice.
It was a lot of fun.
Yeah, I heard good things.
Good destruction.
I kind of like that main guy.
He starts out as like a dick in every movie that he's in
and then ends up in a good guy.
Glenn Powell.
The guy that makes every woman cream her pants and all,
every man as well, apparently.
But I mean, he just,
I still say that guy should have been Johnny Storm.
in the new fantastic floor.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Man, oh, man.
He's got the best douchebag look I've ever seen.
And then he ends up being the good guy every time.
It's crazy.
But yeah, I'm very impressed with it.
It was a pretty good movie.
Cool.
Any standout scenes in it that you can talk about that won't spoil the movie?
Like anything you didn't see in the first?
A lot of destruction.
There was a road.
that's in the trailer that gets
pretty torn up and one of the guys
like one of the
little tertiary
actors in the background of the rodeo
scene is Bill Paxton's
kid. So
Oh shit. Yeah, a fun little nod.
Yeah, so they
throw a lot back to the original.
So Lil Paxton
was in it, huh? Yeah. That's the same
that's the same Lil Paxton that
was in the fanatic and I know Bede was
waiting to say that, but I'm going to do it.
Yeah, I know.
You've been over the punch.
I was waiting for either myself or Marcy to bring that up, that he was also in the fanatic.
All right.
So we got Twisters down.
Who's next?
Is that your turn now, Bede?
Actually, it's funny, though.
Like, I'm looking back over my letterbox when I've been watching it.
Most of everything I've been watching, it's been podcast related, so I can't really talk about some stuff.
Oh, no.
Those episodes, kind of a mixture of.
either for Bid v. The Living Dead or Camp Crystal Lake
and also for mine and Marcy's shows.
But I guess I can talk about ones that I actually had to see
that have nothing to do with podcast-related stuff.
I did check out at the cinema A Quiet Place on Day One.
Nice. Okay.
Which I thought it was a great prequel.
Like it is, you could definitely tell watching this film
that the director of Pig was involved.
with this film, like, especially with the scenes where it's just the characters just
either talking or just their interactions with each other, like those scenes felt very
grounded and also very believable and very humanistic, along with all the intense,
big alien monster set pieces that are around it. So, yeah, that one was actually a pretty
great prequel. I would say it's probably my second thing.
favorite of the franchise so far.
Oh, wow.
But so far this whole franchise has actually been pretty consistently good so far.
And then I also checked out Maxine, which was also out as well.
And I really enjoyed that.
Not as good as the previous two films, but I thought it was a pretty solid, like, if this
is meant to be the final film in the franchise, I think it's a pretty solid one to end on.
Like definitely some aspects they could have got a little bit further with, but overall,
I did enjoy it and I like the
sort of the very Brian De Palma
80s aesthetic of
the film and of course
Mia Goff continues to be great
in this franchise so yeah those are
pretty I would say both of those
were definitely my fades
of the week but if I had to pick an actual
number one cool of the week I'll probably go
with a Quiet Place day one
Quiet Place day one
alright I will write it down
let it be so this time bright I
won't forget to mention or to write down the correct cool of the week as I've done in the past.
Yeah, my call of the week is when we went to see long legs on Saturday and during the movie,
Bede next to me was snoring.
In a neck cage movie.
In a Nick Cage movie, in a serious Nick Cage movie, Bede was asleep and snoring.
I just needed to call you out on a beat because I'm hilarious.
Because you were legit shocked when I, like, I thought, I'll just like, I'm trying to keep my eyes open.
I was trying not to laugh.
Marcy, if you were my friend, you would have just elbowed me awake.
Nope.
You brought it on yourself, man.
Alisa wasn't bad as my cousin, because she and I went years ago, went and saw, um, before.
Force Awakens. Like within the first 10 minutes, she fell asleep and she woke up. I can understand that.
Yeah, and then she woke up 10 minutes before the movie ended.
Wow. Some of the best sleep I've ever got was watching Slender Man in the movie theater.
I remember that. I fell asleep. I think all three of us fell asleep, right, Brian?
Who's that? Literally. I checked out. However, my real cool of the
week is the part one of season six of Cobra Kai, which I thought was awesome.
I love that show so much.
I'm sad it's ending, but it's probably a good time to end it.
I love those five episodes.
I am anxiously waiting for the next five.
But that's my cool of the week besides from calling beat out for falling asleep in a
Nicholas Cage movie.
It's never going to be let down at all.
Brian, did she steal your thunder?
Yes, she did.
That's my cool movie.
I had a feeling.
Cobra Kai, season six, part one.
The episodes move pretty fast.
You got a lot of cheesy teen drama in there, which was a little, it's just fun.
The way they do it, it makes it fun.
It makes it fun.
You get new adversaries for them to go up that they got introduced to, which I'm looking forward to those fight scenes,
because I think they're going to be pretty badass.
And yeah, I agree, Marcy.
I'm sad to see it go, but I just think where the story's going.
Maybe it's time.
There's not much else you can really do.
And they go out while you're on top.
They still are connecting it to the,
which I believe,
already wrapped filming new Karate Kid movie with Ralph Machio and Jackie Chan.
Yeah, I definitely feel like they're tying it in.
There's definitely a lot of clues in there.
So look forward to see where it goes.
So does the.
Does the second Karate Kid show up?
Oh, you beat Hillary Swake.
Hillary Swank.
Not yet, but there's still 10 more episodes.
Okay, all right.
I think she'll be the big cameo.
Okay.
And Jackie Chan will be the finale end credits.
What about Will Smith's kid?
Is he going to pop up?
I hope not.
Anything else you want to throw in there, Brian?
I did show my daughter, what's that Shia LeBuff movie?
Disturbia.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, we were kind of looking for something to watch.
And I think one of our fellow podcasts was going to review it, and I was talking about it.
And she only knows him from that movie he did when he was a kid, Holes.
Oh, God, that's going way back, man.
Yeah, so she knows him from.
that and like his crazy internet stuff.
Sure.
Showed it to her and we both enjoyed it.
It was a good rewatch and she really enjoyed it.
She liked the mix of the humor and the tense thrilling scenes with the trying to figure out that the next door neighbor is the killer or not.
Sure.
He's got some great body cam footage out there too.
Does he?
I just want to watch him get arrested.
And I totally forgot Carrie Ann Moss and.
in this movie. She plays the mom.
No kidding.
All right. I'll have to go. I have to go re-watch that one.
Always like a good movie in the
rear window genre.
Although that movie felt
way more like the Simpsons
parody of Rear Window.
Oh. Yes.
That makes perfect.
It's a great movie. It's a fun
movie. It just felt like
it was the Simpsons episode
rather than
Rear Window.
I can understand that.
So Disturbia gets a good mark, Brian?
Yeah, since Marcy did, Cobra Kai, I'll go with Disturbia.
Nice.
And I will, for the second time this year, go with a Disney ride for my cool of the week.
Disney World ride.
Again, just like Tron, the one I talked about a couple of months ago, this one's also in the Magic Kingdom.
But it's the brand new Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
Have you guys heard of this?
No.
Yep, it is where the Splash Mountain ride used to be.
They completely gutted out the old ride and created a whole new,
whole new ride built around basically the New Orleans theme.
And I don't know why for some reason.
I've ridden Splash Mountain at least a dozen times,
but it felt like the ride was like four times longer.
And it can't be any longer because it's literally inside the same, you know,
fabricated mountain that the other ride.
was in. So there's no way it's a longer ride, but it just felt like there was so much more to it.
Just the way that the imaginering at Disney is getting is just phenomenal. It's like so hyper
realistic as far as the human characters. And, you know, when you get like all the different
animals that get together and they're playing like in a little band, you've got that for the
kitties. And they've got great little scenes set up that kind of, they don't really tell
the story of the princess and the frog movie, but all the characters are in there.
And it's kind of like a news story that builds on that.
And of course, you go into a grand finale before you get to the exit, as you do with every good Disney ride.
So without giving anything away or any of the characters or surprises that are in the ride, Tiana's Valleadventure gets my cool of the week.
That's where the AI is going to take over at Disney.
That's right.
At Disney, we're going to start.
Suddenly, we're in a robot.
Just do not ride. It's a small world when you're tripping on acid. Guaranteed to have a bad time.
So that's cool of the week, Brian. Where are we at on horror headlines this week?
We got a few. We'll start out with I Know What You Did Last Summer sequel remake, reboot.
Don't necessarily know what it is. Madeline Klein has set the star in it. The only thing I know her from,
is the Outer Banks on Netflix.
The Outer Banks, okay.
She played Batista's girlfriend in Glass Onion.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Oh, okay, sure.
Sure, I remember that.
Now, I don't know if this is a remake because Freddie Prince Jr.
and Jennifer Love Hewitt are in talks to return.
So I guess we go again.
The Passing of the Torch.
A requal, I guess.
Yeah, I've.
I can imagine it's going to be more like the Scream 5, where it's kind of like a mixture of being a legacy sequel, but an alter maybe a little bit of a remake as well.
I can totally see that.
Is Freddie Prince Jr. done anything lately?
I know he's got a pretty good podcast he's been doing.
Does he?
Hasn't he been trying to or has opened his own wrestling league or something?
I did read that.
He used to be a riot.
for WWE.
Of course.
Of course they need writers.
Of course.
What's that mean, Lance?
I think maybe it means it's all staged, man.
Come on.
Wrestling's not real.
Somebody argue with me here.
Nobody's going to argue with you.
Hallmark movies aren't real.
How about that?
Oh, they aren't even remotely real.
You're right.
This I missed off my list from a couple weeks ago I was going through.
Clint Howard is going to be in Terror Fire 3.
Nice.
As the ice cream, ma'am?
I would hope.
That'd be great.
That'd be great if he was.
Has his guernetting with him.
Dude, I'm not even kidding.
Clint Howard had just had like a two-month stint on Bold and the Beautiful.
Oh.
What?
Like recently?
Yes.
Wow.
The more you know.
Fans everywhere.
Even sings in it.
Sure.
We're big fans of Clint Howard on the Tooby Tuesdays podcast,
and we have done the two previous
Terrify films for the show.
So once that movie does eventually go on Tooby,
you can know.
for sure we're going to do that for the show
probably on day one
yes
let's see
we know it'll be on screen box right
Brian
it should be
they haven't they haven't said
another I think it's going to get a wider
theater release than Terrifier 2 did
considering how much money it made
that does make sense
sure
look at this pink
this pink coat
let's see here
Kate Siegel is set to star
in a horror comedy called Damned If You Do
and she's also going to produce her
A horror comedy, okay, that makes sense.
Why not? Why not?
Another thing I left off my list
Her husband, Mike Flanagan,
regained the rights to his movie Hush
because people were trying to figure out why is it not on Netflix no more
and he had a big issue with Netflix
because Netflix doesn't like to put their original content
on physical media, and he's a big physical media guy.
So he regained the rights to it,
and I believe next month it'll be available to rent and buy on digital,
and he said there is a physical release coming.
Of course there would be.
That makes sense.
Okay.
Are you going to be getting it, Brian?
Oh, yeah.
I really liked that movie.
That was probably first.
first thing I really remember seeing Kate Siegel in
for the first time.
Speaking of long legs
that we're going to review later on,
Alicia Witt,
she's in the movie Long Leggues,
says she would like to return to do an Urban Legend sequel.
She was the star of the original one.
Okay. I'm down for that.
Urban legend is great.
They could make it like a...
God damn it.
What do you call it where they have a bunch of little movies in there?
Anthology.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It'll be fantastic.
Also, bring back Rebecca Gayhard, because her character's still alive in the universe of that series.
Yes.
There you go.
We sold that on the sequel.
Yeah, I was about to say she pops up in the sequel.
We haven't done any urban legend for this podcast, have we, Brian?
No, and we were supposed to do one with Nez on 31 days.
for his network, but never happened.
So it will.
And we've done an episode on both movies, well, episodes.
Isn't there a third one?
Yeah, there is.
Yeah.
That one, Bloody Mary, which is directed by Mary Labbert,
who did the original Pet Cemetery.
Of course, that's right.
Her co-star, is it Micah Munro or Mika?
Oh, yes.
Micah, I think?
Yeah, Mica, yeah.
She wants to take on Freddy Kruger in a Nightmar on Elm Street movie.
Let her.
Hmm.
All right, that's be interesting.
Let her play Freddy Krugo.
Geez.
May as well.
Yes.
Yes.
There was something that I'm missing here.
We're getting a new BHS movie.
BHS Beyond.
and it's due out on Shudder in October.
I'm all for it, man.
I should probably watch the VHS movies.
You've never seen any of one?
They're great fun.
Yeah.
We might have to do them for podcasts as a horror barso.
I know, we have a horror anthology podcast, and I've not seen those ones.
Oh, yeah.
That's some good ones to add to the list.
The newest one I think was the most fun, for me anyway.
Which one was it, Brian?
like 95 or 94 or something like that 84.
84.
Okay, I'm way off.
But yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Yeah, this one, go ahead.
I was going to say, like, from what I hear,
this one is actually taking,
is going to be set in the future,
hence the beyond subtitle.
Yeah.
And they're using VHS in the future.
Because all the computers have crashed, Philip.
So, man.
All right.
Futuristic and horror, I'm down.
a lot of
not as well-known directors this time
which I do like that
Jordan Downey
by rat pal
Kate Siegel is going to be making her
directorial debut in one of the segments
and the segments going to be written by Mike Flanagan
Oh wow okay
Justin Martinez
and Christian Long
and his brother Justin Long
Oh, no, Justin Long had a book.
That'll be great.
Yeah, they will be
co-directing a segment.
These movies are taken off.
I'm excited for the
Jordan Doughty one, because Jordan Doughty did
the Thanksgiving films.
So.
Joel.
That would be great.
We love some Thanksgiving.
Hey, much better than Thanksgiving.
That's for damn sure, Elon.
I won't go that far, Lance.
I won't go that far.
Just a different type of movie, yeah?
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
The Rosemary's Baby sequel, or Prequel, Apartment 7A
is going to be rated R for violent content and drug use,
and this is going to be due out on Paramount Plus,
and it stars Julia Garner.
Is that from Ozark?
Yes.
Yeah, okay, sure.
Ruth. I think your name is Ruth.
Oh, the blonde girl? Yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah, she's good.
Yep.
The Conjuring Four
gets a September 4th,
20-25 release day. It will be
the final installment in the series.
Sure it will be.
Sure.
They're not ending
the Conjuring universe. They're just
entering the Conjuring movies.
Okay, sure.
Yeah, because I think they're doing
a TV series off
than that, I believe.
What's the story
meant to be for the next one?
That other one
was not very good.
It never did the crooked, man.
Well, I think it's kind of established
at the end of the Nun
that they're going up against
the Nun in the last one.
But the Nuns got like two movies already.
They already went against the Nun at the second one.
They've already done the same movie twice.
called it part one and part two, and it's literally...
They're going to go up against Adabel, the nun, the Crooked Man,
and all the other characters from the other...
And paranormal skeptics and...
That would be great.
It's going to be like the Avengers.
Exactly.
Except the...
I'm just sad they didn't cover that Werewolf Man story.
They kind of did a little bit in the third Adabel movie,
but yeah, I can agree with that, Bob.
Yeah, the movie you guys hated
that was soft PG-13, but I actually kind of thought
was fun.
With the werewolf and the
ghost that was vapor or whatever.
Funny how that works.
Funny how that works.
I was on that episode. I enjoyed that movie as well.
Yeah, I had fun with it. I had fun with it.
I barely remember it and I didn't mind it.
Yeah.
Let's see, Melissa Barrera's
upcoming romantic horror movie
Your Monster gets an October 25th release date
Nice
This channel here we come
This year
Okay
I gotta say that
Kevin Faggy said Marvel's Blade
We'll start production in November
And we'll
officially be rated R
About damn time
Yeah we'll
We'll see
if that happens.
By the time the movie gets made,
Mahershela Ali will be 80 years old.
Yeah.
I feel so bad for him.
He's not taking a role since accepting this role.
Well, that's the thing, though.
The whole project, from what I remember,
was all his idea.
He went to them to want to do a reboot of Blade.
Well.
Because he won his second Oscar,
A few days later, he rocked up it at Marvel, said to Kevin Faggy,
Faggy, I want to make a new Blade movie.
And Faggy's like, all right.
By the time it comes out, he needs to be playing Whistler.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think we'll end it there as far as News.
Oh, wait, since it's a Cage Rage episode,
we'll end it off of Nicholas Cage's psychological thrill of The Surfer.
has been acquired by Lionsgate and Roadside Attractions for a 2025 release date.
And he plays an Australian in it, even though he has no Australian accent whatsoever in the clips I've seen.
You've inspired him, Pete. You've inspired him. He must be watching all of your videos.
He's going to go around and say stuff like, good-day, mate us me, Nicholas Cage.
Where's the shrimp on the bar be?
where's my foster's beer
I'm gonna go
and box a kangaroo
and I'm gonna get
and I'm gonna get
Chobedia from a koala
you just took a one step too far
I mean to bring that up
I think we should end news right there
yeah on that
that's a real thing right
it is
On that note, let's take a little trip down to the trailer park.
Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird.
What's the first new trailer tonight, Brian?
Monster Summer, starring Mel Gibson, Lorraine Braco, and I didn't write his name down,
The Kid from The Black Phone.
I knew I saw him somewhere.
Don't have his name here.
Parsi.
I don't know.
I thought Bean would know.
I mean, I don't know the name.
Mason Tames, I think it is.
Why?
Why would you even know that?
I have like really, I just retain a lot of information when I see like movies and stuff like that.
For all I know, it's probably not it.
But I guess in terms of the actual trailer itself, I think it looks fun.
Like, I don't think it does anything that we haven't seen before, but I'll do like
the, like, it definitely is going for that also, that kind of monster squad type of vibe.
Yeah.
Except you have.
Exactly.
And a bit of a strange of things kind of vibe in there as well.
And you also have Mel Gibson and then they team up with him to fight monsters.
So I'm very curious to see how this one's going to go down.
I think it looks like it's just going to be like a fun little gateway horror film.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
I agree with, with that.
Yeah.
It looks decent.
off.
Looks like it could be worth
a watch.
Interesting little trailer.
Bill?
Yeah, exactly what Beed said.
It looks like a little gateway thing.
It's kind of a
Stranger Things rip off,
but so is Stranger Things
is rip off a bunch of other things.
It's just the genre.
I mean, very formulaic,
but I'm sure it'll be
a fun summer kids movie or whatever,
depending on whenever it comes out.
Or is it a Halloween thing?
Yeah, October 4.
Okay, yeah. So good little kids' Halloween movie.
So let me get this straight. For years, nobody would touch Mel Gibson, right?
Like he was persona non-grata in Hollywood because of some...
Don't think so.
I've got many releases.
Okay.
Yeah, he's been making a comeback.
Mel's definitely back. So let's put around all of our children and see how they turn out.
I don't know. It just seems like maybe not the best influence, but...
But what do I know?
He definitely looks like a grizzal little alcoholic in this,
kind of like a bad news bears type character.
So fuck it.
I'm in.
I'll give it a shot,
especially if I can bring the kids to see it.
Why not?
Yeah, and I got to take my daughter because she's seen the trailer
and she's a big Sandlot fan.
And for some reason, Ham,
the Sandlot shows up for like two seconds.
Like I said, this comes out October 4th.
I think it's getting a limited theatrical release.
So be on the lookout for that
And on to our second and final trailer
Going along with the whole
Devon Sawanissance
That's what I call it
Sawanissance
Consumed
I believe this also stars
Courtney Halverson
And Mark
I'm not even going to go try to pronounce his last name
What'd you guys think of consumed
Marcy will start with you
Yeah
I thought it was a pretty good trailer.
I hadn't heard of it or anything.
I didn't even know Devon Thingy was in it.
And then as I'm watching the trailer, I'm like, wait a second.
And then, yes, it was.
It looks like a, yeah, it looks like a decent little film.
Yeah, like, I'm very curious to see this one.
It does look pretty intriguing and it does look creepy as well.
And also, I am down for the Devon Sawadisance as well,
especially between this and his appearances on Chucky.
and also the fanatic which Marcy and I have big fans of.
So I'm definitely curious to kind of curious to see how this one goes down
because I think it does look like it's going to be a pretty compelling little film.
Yeah, it looks creepy as hell.
I mean, the woods, you know, the dark thing in the woods,
it looks like there's a pretty cool monster happening, the whole Windigo thing.
I'm interested to see how they portray it because it's a little bit
different in every movie, but it's always
kind of cool.
We need more Windigo stories.
I like it.
Lance.
You mean you didn't get enough
in the Pet Cemetery remake?
Unless you count
stomping in the woods in the background.
I know.
Oh, we can't go over
these branches. Just stay here.
Just believe me, it's back now.
Yeah, it looks great, man.
I mean, the trailer does it.
I love these kind of trailers because they
don't give too much away. It's almost like it's misdirection because at first I was like,
are these cannibals or they cave people that the, you know, from the land that time forgot or what
the fuck's going on here? So then you get all the weird colors in the end of it. And like you say,
fill up the big monster's hand with the long finger and stuff. So this could be intriguing. I'm,
I'm on board and I like a lot of the people that I see in and I've seen him and other stuff that
have enjoyed. So I'm all in.
Yeah. Windigo
and Hunter Dunbar as a mountain man.
Man.
December 27th.
Okay.
Weird time to release it, but I'll take it.
Fun, fun holiday movie.
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, right after
Nosferrati.
Yes, there you go.
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It's a horror short named Mermaids.
At Mermaids on Film on Instagram.
Exploring the fire of youth and female desire.
Here we go, Marcy.
This is what I was referring to.
two young
that's not what I expected
two young women exploring their sexuality
in the underground
New York City party scene
transform into tentat
tentacular
monsters
tentacular
I guess
what is that
I'm sure it's word
Is it hentai?
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I guess so
when they get around
they turn into these monsters
Mayhem ensues
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Our writer...
Our writer-director,
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and I can connect y'all.
Best Darrell Hall co-producer of Mermaids,
a psychedelic resort.
Only if John Oat shows up as well, right?
Yeah.
We get all-and-Ot.
It sounds like an interesting project.
Yeah.
Like species.
Mermaids and tentacles. I have no idea what's going to.
But there's something about women and I actually have no idea.
Is this mermaids or Ursula?
Good point.
Regarding an image from Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare, Jeff Farley, says,
Those were my hands in the shot.
Oh, look at that.
Way to go, Jeff Farley, the hand model.
In regards to Friday the 13th, part three, behind the six.
scenes. Toby Hampton says, that's the same lady that played the crazy wife and police academy
that was chasing Fakler and she had the same rollers in her hair and a nightgown.
Oh, God. They hadn't seen Police Academy forever.
Can you confirm that beat as a Friday the 13th film series expert?
I'm going to say yes.
Okay.
So I did get a chance to see the photo. So I did. So I'm going to say, yes, yes it is.
I'll allow it.
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Engagers on Facebook page.
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Heck yes, I love your content and what you're all about.
Christina Rosuto says, you're welcome, and thank you.
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Let's see, we got Poultry Guise behind the scenes.
Don Lowry says the fact that real corpses were used
is a real crazy fact.
That it is.
the movie had some of the weirdest occurrences and odd happenings to cast members
there's quite a lot of stories and it's much like the way the exorcist had all of these odd
and very coincidental occurrences or accidents etc the poor actors didn't know they were real corpses
so in the pool in the backyard she's with actual bodies nasty
nasty
I guess it was cheaper than buying fake ones
is the story behind that.
Yeah. No, that's what it was.
It was cheaper to...
Yeah, it was cheaper to get the, like, cadaver bodies or whatever than it was to buy fake skeletons and shit.
First, first...
That's what happens when you...
Whatever you call it.
Give your body to science.
They go to some weird movie.
Production as a body.
Donate your organs to make a movie.
Yeah.
Let's see.
In regards to the Toxic Avenger remand.
make. Oh, I think I left this one off news. This
posting was about, I guess
apparently they said the movie is too out there.
Uh-oh. And it's not
releaseable in theaters. Oh, no.
This sounds so stupid. Just release the movie.
Yeah. Let's people
fucking decide. Fuck it. Yeah.
Put it on shutter or
screen box or tube or something like that. Yeah.
To be fair. To be fab.
Yosef Nichols says
for a toxic avenger remake, if it wasn't
too out there for mainstream theaters,
they wouldn't be doing it right.
There you go. There you go.
In regards to The Witch,
I thought it was one of the best
I've seen in a very long time. The boy should have been
awarded for his performance.
Yeah.
I forget to put down
name of who said that, huh?
Someone said that. Sorry.
Maybe it was Robert Eggers that wrote that one.
Richard Stone says, I kind of dismiss any review that asked the question,
who asked for this art? That's not how art works.
Also true.
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We'll start with Arcadian from 2024.
believe they came after the pollution people caused.
And they're here to cleanse the planet of the human race.
So we'll all become extinct.
You have to stay vigilant.
Do you understand?
Yeah. Yeah.
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A father and his twin teenage sons fight to survive in a remote farmhouse at the end of the world.
Director is Benjamin Brewer, also known for the visual effects on everything everywhere all at once.
writers Mike Nelon
almost got me
also known for Braven
in preparation for the movie
Nick Cage isolated himself
with his family for three months
Why the book would you not
Bean do you want to start us off
Yeah well
I was very curious about this one
Given like I was reading the premise
And I thought okay this kind of has
Sounds like it has a bit of a quiet place
type of vibe
to it.
But it has Nick Cage and also
Jada Bartell, who are both really good actors.
So I was very curious to see how
this would turn out.
And I got to admit, yeah, I wasn't really big on this one,
to be honest.
Like, I think the performances are all pretty
solid. And I think there's some interesting
ideas in there.
And I think the monsters that are featured in the
film are very unique and just
absolutely insane.
And having read what they were inspired
by, I'm like, okay, that
kind of makes sense why
they look the way they look.
What are they inspired by?
Well, from what I was reading,
apparently the director said that
the design of the monsters was
based on goofy.
But not just goofy,
but in, you know,
in the movie, a goofy
movie in the dream sequence when
Max has a dream that he's turning into
goofy,
he said that was like these monsters are like that in between between max turning into goofy that's how he described
actually kind of checks out well I mean it's creative in you and I mean I've never seen monsters like
this in a film before and when they do show up like I was legit when like the scene where
Jane of Martel he's pretending to be asleep and then you see the creature's arm go like I
open up the window and it's going through and I'm like, what the fuck is this?
Yeah.
And then it just extends and extends and extends and then it's like claw starts extending as well.
I'm like, what the hell is this?
Like there's great little moments like that.
But I feel like, I think sort of, if I had to name, this movie should have been titled
A Quiet Cage because that's what pretty much the movie essentially is.
It feels like it's trying to go with that same type.
of vibe and tone and story of a quiet place, but it doesn't really quite work because the
apocalyptic angle isn't really explored all that much. And also I feel like the filmmaking
was another reason why I just didn't get on board with this one because the use of
shaky cam was like really, really bad in this film. And it just really took me out of the
film a lot, to the point where you can barely see what was going on in some scenes.
But, yeah, I mean, the performances are all solid.
Nick Cage is giving a much more subdued performance, and he works well at that.
Although, I got to say, though, it really is more his teenage sons who are more in the
leads, because he's in it, Cage is in it for the first two thirds, then he gets injured,
and then he's kind of sidelined for the rest of the film, until...
the end. I feel like spending three months in solitude with your family for 20 minutes of screen time
in a movie was probably a bit overboard. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Exactly. Exactly.
So yeah, yeah, I just didn't really, I mean, other than the performances and the creatures,
yeah, I didn't really get much out of this one, sadly. To me, I just found that a bit, a bit of a bore for most part.
All right, Marcy.
Yeah, I probably got a little bit more out of it than Bede,
but I actually haven't seen any Quiet Place films.
Oh.
Yeah, who's the real terrible Australian in my thing?
I don't watch a lot of new stuff, it seems.
So I can't really compare it to that at all.
It is sort of a more subdued film.
Like, it was interesting to start with,
because you understanding this is sort of like a weird post-apocalyptic environment
and there's a man with his sons and you don't really know what's actually out there.
But I think, I wouldn't say it's a bore.
I would say it's just not paced very well.
And it doesn't do a lot of actual world building because we don't really know
what the hell has actually happened,
why the world is the way it is,
why certain things happen.
we obviously find out in due time that there's like night creatures,
which is why they have to not be out when it's dark.
So, okay, that makes sense.
But I think the world around it doesn't get explored enough.
And while Mr. Cage does give a pretty good performance,
it, as being said, it is a film for the younger actors to really shine.
And I think they did really good.
I think it's just a lot of what surrounds the film that lets it down.
It might perhaps be a little too quiet, not enough world building or intrigue.
I think the ending was interesting-ish.
It sort of felt like it rushes anytime there's action and then takes too long on anything else.
So it's just very uneven.
That said, again, yeah, the creature design and what they look like, everything is really impressive.
definitely the highlight of the film
but yeah it's kind of a mixed
bag because I don't think it quite achieves
much
it does kind of open itself up to
explore the world a bit more with how it
ends but I don't know
if it gave us enough to really care
yeah
good point
uh Brian
yeah I thought the acting was solid
um the creatures look
super cool and different, but I had a lot of issues with this movie. I thought the story was a little
here and there. Yeah. Are we about to break Lance? What's so funny? It's just, right,
Brian is trying so hard to be polite and time. Okay, I'm going to say this one time. I'm never
going to call the film Garbage or Trash, because I do not make films. I try to find a positive.
do because I think people find it more easily to trash films.
I didn't hate this movie.
I just thought the storytelling was just kind of like we get introduced to Nick Cage and he has his two young sons and then we just completely jump to when they're teenagers.
We get no explanation on what happened in this world where these creatures come from.
And at times, even with him and his sons, there was a part of the movie where I felt like,
maybe Jaden Martel wasn't his son the way he treated him.
And then that completely just went away,
midway through the movie.
Kind of uneven, huh?
And as far as the sons,
I thought they did a solid job acting.
It's just I had nothing connect to them.
Just, I got nothing from them.
Or what's, you know, this, the, I'm assuming the older one,
I don't even know if we're doing sports.
Are we doing spoilers?
I think we're spoiler alert, right?
Because it's a new movie.
So we got to wait, right?
Okay.
There's just situations where they act a certain way,
and I got nothing to go off of where it came from,
so I don't know which one to connect with more.
Or even when they get in the situations,
am I even rooting for them?
So, yeah, I mean, I'll just wait until spoilers.
But I thought the creature design was super cool.
I did have issues with the CGI in certain spots.
Yeah.
It was very transformery.
Like, shit was moving too fast.
Yeah, the sort of shaky cam and quickness of certain, like, of anything bad action just didn't, just doesn't work for me.
Like, you need to be able to see this after you have, like, long shots of looking at almost nothing.
Like, why are you speeding through the action?
Yeah, I mean, something.
like that works with like the born identity because you're doing close up hand to hand it makes
you feel like you're in there but i agree marcy with with this kind of action it didn't need the
shaky cam so yeah i i didn't hate it but i definitely i i did come out disappointed in this one
not enough cage too yeah oh for sure uh lance what started all this silly subgenre was it
It comes at night, I think, the one with Joel Eagerton in it that I hated so much.
Nothing happened.
Nothing came at night because nothing happened, right?
So we had it came at night, and then we had the Bird Box movies, right?
And then we had, as Veed mentioned, the Quiet Place movies, right?
And now we've got this, right?
And how long are we going to do this, crap, guys?
I mean, did this all start with the road by Corrack McCarthy or what?
What?
You say it's a silly genre, but you've rated all those movies,
except for it comes at night, very high.
That's true.
Well, I'm going to rate this one pretty low.
How about that, Brian?
This would border me to tears, man.
This was not good.
This was not good.
And Nick Cage just, I needed more Nick Cage.
I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, I needed more Nick Cage.
and the boys just irritated the fuck out of me.
And there was one thing that happened
where one boy was allowed to do something,
but the other wasn't.
I'm like, are they trying to do like a prearranged marriage?
Are they trying to make sure that he propagates the species?
So they're bringing him in as like cattle like the bull.
What the fuck is going on here?
They didn't explain shit in this.
No, really.
That's the problem.
They didn't explain how they got there.
I absolutely hated the creature design, guys.
I'm sorry.
You guys think it was, you have said CGI-ish,
but you guys thought it was intimidating, or would you?
It was just unique.
Like, I said to say creatures like that at all in another film.
I haven't either.
I guess they were just trying to do something different.
I thought they looked different and unique.
I don't think they don't necessarily scare me.
You're going to knock them for being unique plants?
I'm going to knock them for.
being a creature that look like a silly
fucking Scooby-Doo cartoon to me.
That's what I'm in an Anacobar.
And what was the scene where the one boy was sitting
in a chair in a room,
in this finger, starts like
stretching out.
See, you already missed half of this conversation,
Lance.
We've already covered this when you were gone.
All right, I don't know. My wife started
getting a leg cramp again and I had to go
get her some more pickle juice.
But speaking of pickle juice,
after watching this movie, ha ha, ha.
All right.
Enough.
I got to save the rest for spoilers, because I've got questions.
I've got questions, and you guys may have answers.
I doubt it.
I don't think this movie explained enough to provide any answers.
There's no world building, so we definitely don't have any answers.
Well, and the problem with that is I kind of didn't really care about anybody.
Not in the least.
Not even the cage.
Village is getting mall to death, and I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are.
Am I supposed to care about them? Because they were kind of being assholes.
You got old Farmer Brown and Farmer Johnson and Farmer Lane and, you know.
Yeah.
What the fuck are we in like the middle of Kansas or what's going on here?
Yeah, I don't know what it was.
The creature was definitely unique.
My biggest problem with it was the CGI stuff.
Like when they started moving really fast, like I kind of like...
It's pretty CGI.
Like, I wanted to see some details on the thing.
I mean, if you're going to see GI it, that's fine.
But, I mean, if it's moving a million miles an hour, all you're doing is covering up bad stuff.
Yeah, I think it was a cool concept.
It just, they just didn't do it proper.
And there's, there's, I agree.
There's a bird.
I can't remember the name of it.
But it's got like this big bill and it'll snap its beak like that.
So I think that that's probably where they pulled.
that from and it's kind of insane and scary sounding when if you see it like i looked up a video of
it i get into this weird shit but but and the bird's pretty terrifying looking on top of it uh but uh yeah
no i i i didn't hate it like i liked it it was a fun like futuristic horror movie right i like
that stuff but yeah it was it was everything marcy said it was uh it was kind of
the pacing was weird.
They didn't really explain anything.
And so I didn't really give me much to care about.
Are you thinking of a dodo bird?
Maybe.
Could be.
The ones that don't fly.
No, I don't know.
It's not a dodo.
It's maybe some type of dodo.
It's real big.
It's like fucking six feet tall and it's got this giant.
No, fella.
Yeah, no, I'm telling you.
It's a real bird.
I can't remember the name of it.
I'll figure it out.
Here about this on the Alex Jones podcast or what?
Joe Rogan.
I think I know what you're talking about, Bill.
Like, it's like, it looks evil.
That's what I just remember.
It looks very evil.
It's a weird looking thing, man.
Okay.
It does.
It's like a big giant dodo bird, though.
It's crazy.
I'm going to look this bird.
Is it a real bird or is it a movie?
Yeah.
No, it's a real bird.
Oh, okay.
Oh, okay.
I think I found that it's a shoe bill bird.
There it is.
Yeah.
What?
A shoe bill.
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.
Yeah.
We have gone off.
We've gone off topic.
It's fucking crazy.
It may be scarier than the movie was.
Okay.
Fair enough.
All right.
It looks like the photos of this bird, it just looks like I'm going to fucking kill you.
That's the look that it's like it has in every photo.
Also known as a whale-headed stork.
What's it cold?
A shoe bill bird.
Also known as a whale-headed store.
Shoe that you wear or shoe like shoe
shoe fly. Yeah, no, it's like a shoe that you wear.
Birds never have really good names.
Ah, okay.
That's definitely what they were thinking of
when they created these creatures. Okay.
Oh, yeah, that fucking thing.
Yeah, they're not.
Yeah, that's like Marcy the bird.
I'm not going to fuck you up,
you kid.
Yeah, my guess is that they would be an
Australia.
East Africa.
That'd probably be a good guess.
Where was it, Brian?
East Africa.
East Africa.
Okay.
Well, that makes as much sense.
Sure.
Sure.
All right.
What do you think about scores?
I'm big out of 10.
I'm going to give it about a 4 out of 10.
Like, as I sort of said it before, I think the monster design is pretty interesting and
unique.
and I think the performances are all pretty solid, but like we kind of already said before,
the world building isn't really particularly well done.
Like, I remember one aspect of the film, it doesn't even go into is like pretty much like
Nick Cage and his sons, they get harassed by creatures every night, but that farmhouse
that that has the teenage girl that one of the sons is in love with, they sort of state in
the film that none of the creatures ever attack their.
farm and I'm just thinking like how does that work? It never really
explains it and also the
filmmaking wise I think even though it does have some pretty
good shots and style every now and again but
yeah but it's the shaky care that kind of really
stops the film from being more compelling than it needed to be so
yeah four out of ten for me all right Marcy
I give it six out of ten
Wow.
It sits out of 10 with like, I think there's a lot of good stuff that is in there.
It just doesn't quite achieve it.
Right.
It's almost.
Yeah, I think it's on the verge of being something a lot better.
But again, for the issues we've already discussed, there's no world building.
We can't see what's going on half the time.
Because there's not enough world building and it's paced so weirdly, we don't really.
we don't really get to know the characters
or the world as we should.
Yeah.
And there's an average movie.
Yeah. And there's no cage rage.
And barely enough cage.
How he knew when he said, are we not, man?
I know.
Right.
Brian promised me that was going to be his big scene.
Brian swore to me on a Bible that once he said,
are we not man?
That he was getting going to full rage.
Brian, why would you do that to me, man?
When did I do this?
You saw the movie before I did.
You guys heard it.
It's permanently recorded.
It's on one of our episodes.
Brian said, oh, just think about it, guys.
What if when he slams the table and says, are we not mad?
He goes into full cage range.
You had me.
I was pumped, dude.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Brian, what you think about scores?
I'm right there in between
Marcy and B, this is a five
Just not enough to build off of
But there was a lot of good ideas in here
It just wasn't fleshed out enough for me
So I'm out of five
All right
Vince
I got
I got a good two
I gotta go two on this
This is rough
First of all you literally have four
minutes and 37 seconds of Nicholas Cage in the movie. That's a problem. That's a big
fucking problem. Four minutes. As the young people say, that's Cap. That's lying. He was in
a movie more than four minutes. Well, I miss him. Lance, I think you might have did a, I think
you did a bait and fell asleep during half his video. I don't know. Maybe I got bit by
my shoe bill bird, but, uh, holy shit. Man, that was some of the worst.
CGI that I've seen since
somebody mentioned it,
Transformers. Really bad,
come on.
Really bad. I mean, when it's
moving that fast, like
Phillips said, it's almost like they're trying to cover
up the mistakes of the bad CGA.
I've seen CGI fire
better than this movie.
What movie?
This was bad. This was
really, really, really bad.
I mean, the two boys, I fucking
hated them. I could have thrown either one of
into a fucking pit and let the fucking dodo birds eat them or whatever.
This was terrible. Every character in this movie to me was hateable,
except Nicholas Cage, of course.
Other than him, who was incapacitated through most of the movie.
Spoiler alert, sorry, said that a little too early.
But I mean, holy smokes, man, I got to get people to decide not to watch this movie.
I was so mad. I was so pissed off.
I think what got me is when we were at that dinner table scene
and Nicholas Cage slammed his hand down and did not go into a rage
and just kept us calm and I'm like...
Yeah, he was playing it totally straight.
I'm like, that's not why we hired you.
I'm sorry, this is going to be on my bottom list, man.
This is not good.
Not good at all.
Honestly, I felt like if he would have went full cage rage during that scene,
I think you would have knocked him for it.
It wouldn't have really have fit the movie.
Well, until the monsters show up and they're a little cage-ragy.
They're more cage-rage than cages. It's crazy.
Well, a lot of people don't realize I actually did play the goofy monster in this movie.
That's what it was.
I would have around and just went,
and I played the version that just slapped three.
most of the movie.
That was actually engaged, planking his teeth
together.
I was drinking of all the insane
performances I'm giving in other universes
in other movies.
Oye, yoie.
I'm going to give it a five.
Okay.
I think it was, I think it was,
they had a good idea going.
Okay.
How do you know?
was the story? What happened? Why were they there? Why were the dodo birds there? The setting of
the movie, I think, was cool. But why were the dodo birds there, Philip? I don't know,
Alien invasion, maybe? Or something. How do we know that? What evidence is there that that's what it was?
I know. And we had that the beginning where Nicholas Cage is running through the city. There's
just like chaos garagata that they had like that shot of the sky. And I think it looked like a UFO.
Okay, all right.
Yeah, see, and I didn't even catch that part.
I didn't realize there were even monsters until halfway through the movie.
Took a while, didn't it?
It stuck its hand in there.
Yeah, it took it a while to get going,
and it didn't do enough building while it was doing that.
But I think there was a good movie in here somewhere.
Had they changed a few little aspects of it, it could have been really good.
All right, spoilers.
This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
You've been fucking warned.
This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
You've been fucking warned.
This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
You've been fucking warned.
Brian.
Well,
I can't say I would love for somebody to spoil this for me.
B brought up something that I wanted to bring up
how you said the other farm was not affected.
Or said they weren't affected.
That's where the storytelling just kind of got wonky for me because...
Yeah, fine.
I'm about to get into it, Lance.
At the main farm
of Nicholas Cage, they get attacked every night
and eventually they find out that they start digging
through the floor because they figure out they can't get in through the doors and windows.
Okay.
They do the same thing at the other farm.
So did they just completely skip over attacking and just went straight to digging?
I can't remember, but was the house like lit up or anything?
Or could it be just the location of where it was that maybe they'd tunneled in more towards that house?
Like there's no real explanation except we understand they're digging underneath.
But I'm thinking in terms of like, say Minecraft, if you light up your house a lot,
you shouldn't get like the monsters breaking in because it's something like that.
I don't know because I don't fucking remember.
if the house was lit off.
Yeah.
Also, why can they get through the floor?
Played a lot of Minecraft.
Or guerrilla tag, Philip.
Yeah, there you go.
Why can they get through the floor,
but not the doors or windows?
Can't figure out doors.
I guess not.
I don't know.
I think they can tear it.
And I had an issue with the family at the other farm.
Just the way they're like.
Lots of issues.
They had no.
idea why this boy was coming to their farm?
Because when he catches him kissing, he's like so
shocked at what's going on.
You put him in a room together. What did you think it's going to
happen? Well, see, that's what I thought. I thought they were bringing him
up to breed him with the girl.
That's why they let just him in there. It seemed like Nick Cage
wasn't even 100% sure why he was going to this farm all the time.
It did seem that way, didn't it?
I assume they had some...
trade agreement or something, but
trade his
son seaman
for what?
I mean, come on, man.
Nothing is actually really
explained. That is the fundamental
issue with this film. Okay.
In all fairness, Marcy, if we
re-watched this movie
and like did a commentary together,
do you think we would get more out of it on second
viewing? Probably not.
Okay. I think maybe
we would, because I think we would actually be
looking because I didn't even
brought up
them possibly seeing something in the sky
in the beginning. I didn't
even notice that at all.
I think Bede made it up because I didn't notice
it either. I'd say they
hit that pretty well, didn't they?
I mean, I don't say
what I'm saying it's true, but it looked
like a UFO.
I guess you guys are right.
Not much to spoil here.
Nicholas Cage laying in a
bad like with cuts all over.
room for an hour. Okay.
Oh, sign me up.
He doesn't get the cage
when he gets madass.
Yeah, that ending was a perfect
time for cage rage. Yeah,
for sure. Right.
And it never materialized. Just give me one
crazy yell before you explode.
Exactly.
Yeah.
All right. Let's move on
to long legs.
I saw a beast rise up out of
the sea with seven
heads and ten horns.
And on his horns he wore ten crowns.
On each head was written a blasphemous name.
What aren't you telling me?
He'll kill and kill again.
I know you're not afraid of a little bit of dark.
In pursuit of a serial killer, an FBI agent
uncovers a series of occult clues that she must solve
to end this terrifying killing spree.
director and writer is Oz Perkins, also known for the pretty little thing that lives in the house and the black coat's daughter.
Despite the praise and acclaim of his portrayal as long-leged, Nick Cage has stated this will be his first and only portrayal of a serial killer for a film.
In an interview with Indie Wire, Cage says, I know that the phone's going to be ringing off the hook to play serial killers after I do long-legs, and that's not really what I like to do.
I don't like violence.
I don't want to play people who are hurting people.
Says Dracula.
Okay.
Longlegs quotes the poem Satan says by Sharon Olds in his messages.
The poem is about a girl locked in a cedar box being told by Satan that he can get her out if she blasphemes against her family.
She does so, but Satan then seals her in the box and leaves her there.
Oh, that's a good piece of trivia.
Beat, what do you think about long legs?
Well, other than accidentally falling asleep during the course of the movie, which I did on the first few, I decided, you know what, I need to go back and see the film.
So I went back and watched it a second time without falling asleep.
And luckily I did it.
I did it.
I am very sure.
I believe you.
Okay.
maybe I might have just had
my eyes were getting a little
well starting to
at one point but I resisted the urge
but that being said though
I don't think this is
like I think it's a really good movie
like overall like I
would say it's along the lines
of something like the films that
it's definitely influenced by like
silence of the labs or severed
or cure or anything like
that, but I do think it's still a pretty solid supernatural serial killer film, and I like the fact
that for most of it, it's very grounded in its approach to its story, while sprinkling all these
weird elements in there, and then eventually going full-blown supernatural in the last half.
And I think it has some pretty interesting ideas and concepts that it explores. And I like the fact
in a way you could kind of see this movie as being a companion piece to the Black Coates
daughter because it has kind of very similar elements to that one as well.
And I think the performances are all pretty strong.
I think Micah Munro does a great job in the film.
And Nicholas Cage, even though he kind of looks like a mix of like Mickey Rock and Miss Piggy
in this film with his makeup design.
Nailed it.
he is pretty creepy and he and and and also like the the rest of the performances are great i think
the one i was very most impressed by was alicia whit who played micha monroe's character's mom i thought
she was really really good uh it has some great bit of atmosphere it's unsettling and i think
it's just a a pretty solid little movie like i would say it's an amazing movie by any means but
I think for what it is, I think it is still a pretty damn good one.
Okay.
Marcy?
I love this film.
This is the thing like when I saw, well, I think the Black Coates' daughter is the only other Oz Perkins directed film I've seen.
And watching that film felt like it was very much like geared towards me.
So again, long legs feels like it's very much geared towards me.
me with how it kind of goes along with its story and the characters and what happens.
It reveals itself in weird ways and it comes at you with a bit of a shock as well.
And yeah, Nicholas Cage is great.
Like absolutely, just one of these just very memorable performances.
and his like makeup as long legs,
it is the remnants of Mickey Rourke's face
with the remnants of Donatella Vasachi's face.
Oh, God.
Nuts, it's nuts.
It's nuts.
Like, I'm glad that the marketing didn't really reveal him at all.
So when you do see him fully, it's like, oh, my God.
But I like that we sort of have this thing where he's a serial killer,
but then is he really a serial killer because as the things go through,
like things are kind of questioned as to how things are done.
So I really, really liked that.
So we get this very mysterious story.
And again, Michael Monroe is a fantastic actress.
She is fantastic in this.
She can play Freddie Kruger.
She can play against Freddie Kruger.
Do do something.
That sounds a lot of fun.
And again, Alicia Witt is an absolute standout.
Give her a fucking Urban Legends movie, please.
But yeah, it just sort of...
She plays creepy well.
Yeah, like being said, it sort of is more grounded to start with,
but then it creeps into the more supernatural stuff.
And I really, I really liked it.
Like, I feel like Oz Perkins is out there probably just making films that appeal to me.
That said, I definitely need to check out.
his other works, but it still blows my mind
that Oz Perkins was the nerdy guy
in fucking legally blonde. Like, what?
Wow. But yeah,
I appreciate a really just strange,
slow burn, messed up kind of movie. And I'll be right
back because my dog has to go to the toilet and he's barking at the door.
No problem. I've been driving me nuts this
whole goddamn time.
Brian, what did you think?
I really enjoyed this one also.
I didn't know there was
no supernatural elements to this movie,
which it was a big,
pleasant surprise to me. I thought this was a
straightforward, grounded, serial
killer detective
or FBI movie.
Yeah. I thought the performances were great.
Michael Monroe, I probably
liked her. I can't tell you
one thing I've not liked her in
that I've seen.
Alicia Witt
the only thing that
I didn't even know that was her
when I seen her in the role
Yeah, which was a testament
to how she played the role
because I only know her from Urban Legend
and a couple episodes she did in the Sopranos
which she kind of played
played the character the same way
which in Urban Legend
she's probably to me the least likable character
and seeing her do this role the way she did
yeah I would like to see
you come back and do something else.
Yeah.
She's like really pretty, but like an annoying kind of way.
Okay.
Another standout role that I thought was pretty good as sporting role was Blair Underwood as the...
Agreed. Yeah.
I don't know.
Perfect for who he was playing, man.
Yeah, head FBI guy. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought that was well done.
I thought all the promotion for this movie was excellent.
how we didn't really get to see Nick Cage's face until we saw the movie.
And you didn't even get to see his face right away.
You just got glimpses and they would cut away.
And I really enjoyed that.
And yeah, pleasantly surprised.
I was a little worried this movie was going to get a little overhyped, like, kind of violent nature.
It was a little overhyped for me.
Yes, exactly.
But I liked it.
I really did.
All right.
Lance, what do you think?
I was a little bit irritated when this movie started out, right?
Because it showed this little tiny red square, like where the credits and stuff like that were showing.
And then it's like, okay, cool, that's kind of neat, you know, visually impactful, a little red square in the middle of the big screen in the movie theater.
And then they fucking stayed there.
It's like, really?
Like, you know, you've got this little teeny square when you've got a whole screen to work with.
And then as you get into the part where the first scene of the movie,
which kind of sets it all up,
sort of gets you where you need to be and you understand because it was sort of retro.
It was,
the movie itself was set in a retro time period,
and this was even like a jump back in time from that,
like when a certain character was younger.
So I'm like,
I kind of see how they,
why they did it that way.
It was kind of like an old 8mm,
you know,
video or something like that.
Speaking of 8mm,
Nick Cage, right?
So I thought it was pretty cool the way they did that.
And then, you know, the screen slowly got bigger as it went through the main credits and went
into the film itself.
So I'm going to say that I really adored this movie, man.
This was, I don't know.
This was kind of like a master class in acting.
I guess Oz Perkins is like really, really, really, really good.
I see him as kind of being like an Arioster and that it seems like.
he can bring out the best performances
from everybody who was in
a movie because I'm going to tell you right now, Brian,
you said you've really never seen
Michael Monroe and anything you
didn't like her in.
I would differ a little bit because like
that one where she was in
like Budapest or whatever, like in that
apartment and that weird dude was
following her and it was
real predictable, look like a Hitchcock type
movie. Yeah, the watcher.
The watcher, not a great
to me. Well, we talked about that.
Was it her performance or was it the movie?
I get your point.
I get your point.
I'm going to tell you right now,
she was pure fucking genius in this movie.
The way that she was sitting on the bed
in that one scene where the daughter was said,
do you want to see my trophies?
You want to see my room?
And she was like just sitting there like
and then she would sort of talk.
And so you know she's definitely like somehow on the spectrum
or something weird is going on.
Yeah, that's kind of what.
But totally.
And Blair Underwood was perfect for what he.
what the role that he was at. Hell, even the little, you know, young teenage girl at the hardware store
that had like, you know, less, she had more screen time than Nick Cage and Arcadian, but not that
much screen time, right? Even she was great, man. That was just that perfect fucking deadpan delivery.
And then, Dad, the weird dude's here again and just, I mean, Nicholas Cage was amazing. Absolutely
fucking amazing. This was, I don't know, I'm going to say this is his best performance.
that I've seen in several years.
I really loved it.
Yeah, was the makeup a little over the top?
Maybe, but I mean, it was kind of...
I love that first scene where you can only kind of see as Jen
and not anything above it.
I kind of wish they'd stuck with that a bit.
But you know what?
No movie's perfect.
I got a lot out of this one.
The scenery in the atmosphere,
this is the first movie I've seen in a while
that made me literally sick to my stomach
in certain scenes because it was so fucking creepy.
And the camera work threw you off so much.
Like there was one scene where a certain character woke up and, like, they were upside down, right?
Like the camera was tilted upside down.
And you're like, where the fuck are we?
What's going on?
And then you're in one place where I thought we were at this other layer, but it comes to find out I'm part of this other place that I'm had.
Like you guys said, the acting from the mother was just fucking top-notch, man.
and chef's kiss type acting.
I don't know what Oz Perkins did
to get these kind of
performances out of these people,
but for fuck's sake, it worked for me.
And the camera work was gorgeous.
The movie lost me a little bit in the third act,
and we'll go into that later.
But you are right, Bede and Marcy.
You guys both nailed it.
It started out as just a regular procedural,
you know, Silence of the Lamb's Seven type movie,
and then it turned into something different.
But I went with it.
I kind of enjoyed what it did.
I liked it.
And I can tell you right now,
I haven't been this creeped out
with satanic talk and satanic imagery
in a movie in a long time.
Because you see a lot of the shit.
I wouldn't say creeped me out.
Because I don't think things creeped me out.
Maybe a little uneasy.
And I think uneasy is just how some of the scenes played out.
But I wasn't like scared.
But I should also add.
I was kind of scared.
I really was.
really high and on edibles
and I managed to be fine
so there you go. That might have helped me.
It does.
Focus on that sucker, man. I did the same thing.
We got to move on
because I could talk about this movie for a long
time. I really enjoyed it.
We'll get there in some spoiler talk.
Yeah, I liked it a lot. I think it looked
like if
Quentin Tarantino was trying to direct a horror movie
but without the comedy, right?
It actually felt
a lot like the first
season of True Detective to me.
Like they had that sort of feel
and then it got a little more
supernatural and I actually really enjoyed that.
Nick
if you didn't get enough cage rage
from the last one, here it is.
It's not quite Mandy level.
A tale of two cages.
Oh, you get you definitely
especially that scene, it's not
really a spoiler. When he
leaves that little
store. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. He does the scream I wanted in Arcadian in this movie. Yeah. Now that's
Cage rage. Um, I, it was, okay, so I know Nick Cage is supposed to be really creepy and weird,
and I think he really knocked it out of the park. But having that character be Nick Cage almost
took me out of it a little bit because he was so over the top. A little cagey. Is not necessarily,
necessarily a bad thing, but I was kind of waffling back and forth on it, because every time he showed up, I'm like, I don't know if this matches the feel of the movie.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing, though, like, its performance as log legs, I think it's probably the closest we're ever going to see Nick Cage play The Joker in a movie, because that's what it kind of reminds me of.
Yes, for sure.
Very chaotic, right?
Yeah.
Chaotic evil.
I didn't hate it. It's my only like sort of like waffly criticism, I guess. That's not really a good way to explain that, but you get it. Oh, it is. I got you.
But yeah, I do think it was a pretty great film. Even just as a straight up suspense thriller movie where they're tracking down all the little clues is a lot of fun. And yeah, Michael Monroe, she played it so great. Like I loved the way that she pulled that roll off. And then once it's a lot of fun. And yeah, Michael Monroe, she played it so great. Like, I loved the way that she pulled that roll off. And then once it.
it explains why it makes it even better,
because then it sort of changes.
But we'll get into that.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
All right, scores, B.
I'm going to get this about an eight out of TED.
I think it's a pretty atmospheric and unsettling little film
that's full of great performances.
And I like that it sort of gradually,
I mean, with the story and its supernatural elements,
So I like it that it's gradually kind of seeps in as it goes on.
And also one of the things I find interesting as well is like if you look very closely in the background of a lot of scenes,
some more noticeable in others that the devil is actually in the background on certain seeds.
I definitely picked up seeing things and I'm like, ooh, I don't think they lost in that.
They just, I think, released a trailer, a little featurette online where you can, if you've already seen,
movie, of course. It points
out where I think it was like six
times. Oh. The devil appears.
This is the
movie I want to watch again.
Oh, yes. Yeah, it is it, yeah,
actually, having watched this film
twice, I can tell you one thing, and
we're going to go in the spoilers at a second.
We're watching the film again.
There's a lot of foreshadowing
or throughout this
film. Yeah, because it really
kind of, especially in the interview
scene between Micah
Monroe and Nicholas Kaye just there's a lot of like little hints you're like on a second
viewing like oh I see what he's talking about in regards to where the film goes in the third act
yeah this gets nine Hail Satan's out of ten I think it's a fantastic film awesome
um Oz Perkins keep making films that appeal to me I will enjoy that very much so
yes uh people should see long legs because fantastic nine out of ten be what
was your score? Oh, eight out of ten.
Eight of ten. Okay. I actually thought
yours was going to be lower and I thought,
oh, geez, you're going to get punched out
with a low score. Well,
to be fair, I...
Well, to be fair, on that first viewing, I didn't
give it any rating because I'm like, I fell
asleep for some of this. Maybe I need to
watch it again before I give it a proper rating.
I mean, it's such a dick.
Brian, what do you think?
Right now, I do want to watch it again, but
now I'm at eight and a half. I thought the acting was solid. The music, I don't think we even
talked about the music, it just added to the atmosphere in the movie. Lance, you brought up the
cinematography, the shots were beautiful. Yeah. And I do, I hear what you're saying, Phil, but I do
think this is one of Nicholas Cage's best performances. Yeah. Oh, I agree. Lance?
there are a couple of movies that I like more on first watch than this one I think
but this is the one I probably want to rewatch the most
so maybe it's not fair that I'm giving it a slightly lower rating than a couple of other
movies so far this year but it's a good solid 8 on 10
but that score could easily go up after two or three more of you
long as it's higher than night swim see and I do feel like this one has kind of a lot of
rewatch ability to it for being so slow.
There's so much going on.
So many little details in the background, right.
I think you're right, because with the, I talked about the promotion for the movie,
there was all these cryptic messages.
I think there's cryptic stuff in the movie that on rewatches,
you'll start to see and realize more things are happening than you did the first time
you watched it.
And so I feel like this one is going to kind of be one of those sleeper hits where maybe
it doesn't make a ton of money in the box office, but it might become a cult classic.
It already has been a pretty good at the box office for the kind of film it is.
Yeah, for the kind of film it is.
But like, I feel like it's going to get a wider audience once it, like, you know, like the big LaBausc.
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
I mean, at our screening, like, we actually were thinking, oh, we'll be easily be able to get tickets.
And then we checked and it's like, oh, shit, it's almost sold out.
You know what?
That's fair.
because I went today
like a freaking
Tuesday afternoon at 3 o'clock
and I mean
it's a summertime and a beach town but still
I figured I'd have pretty much the theater
to myself and there was like
right you know at least
yeah
1015 and other people in there
so far it's maybe you weren't able to
you weren't able to take your pants
off in other words no
so far it's made over
53 million off a 10 million dollar
budget oh nice
Look out for the sequel.
Long legs to electric boogaloo.
No, I was going to say,
yeah, I was going to say longer legs.
That could be the sequel.
Longer legs.
At least it did it better than Kevin Koster's horizon, huh?
I don't know what it is.
Although I feel like, I feel like the movie I'm going to see tonight
might make a hell of a lot more money,
which is Deadpool and Wolverine.
Oh, maybe.
Possibly.
Tonight you're going to go see it?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
That's awesome.
Oh, no.
Comes out for a couple days.
Advanced screenings and Australia is in the future.
Nice.
That's true.
Upside down and in the future.
I'm going to go, I'm going to go eight and a half for now, I think.
Nice.
I think it's only going to go up in the future after I watch it again because I'm kind of excited to watch it again.
Part of the reason for that is Nicholas Cage.
Like, he does play that character so over the top, but it's also so unique that it's, uh, that it sort of makes the movie now that I'm thinking about it.
Anyway, uh, all right. Spoilers.
This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
You've been fucking warned.
This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
You've been fucking warned.
This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.
You've been fucking warned.
Lots going on in this movie.
Well, I'll bring something up.
One of the big unexpected things in this film that I was genuinely shocked by is the death of long legs and where it happens and how it happens.
He takes himself out.
Would it really work like that, though?
I mean, she could not get a knock on conscious murder.
I had a little bit of a problem with that.
he smashed his head to pieces on the death he did he did hit pieces i mean i did not expect like this
character was just going to do well their physical body was just going to die
because he did it to himself like holy shit i mean it's hot tonight not enough nick cage for me
but i'm sorry go ahead be well it's gonna say like it's possible because if he because he
knows like split apart so it's possible like he bagged his nose like
so hard that his cartilage and his
nose just went straight up into his break.
They say that can happen.
I think Brian,
Brian, you've done that book to a few people before, haven't you?
Brian's been in a couple of street fights.
Well, you realize in Conair,
Cage does this,
and that is what kills the guy.
Like, all that goes up through his brain.
That's how it kills the guy and goes to jail for manslaughter or whatever it was.
So that's what he's doing.
how he did it.
And also, I think...
I was not expecting that at all.
Like I thought,
this character's not living,
what's happening?
Called manslaughter.
And also,
let's not forget it,
you'll be,
you probably would have been happy about this,
Marcy,
is that it's also kind of
an evil doll movie as well.
Yeah,
there are creepy fucking dolls
that,
uh,
what,
it sort of helps with the,
um,
all the shit going on.
Like,
that was a,
extra like very unsettling element when you see those dolls.
I'm like, look, even if it was trying to control me,
I'm still not going to go anywhere near a doll that looks like me.
Get fucked out of here with that.
Yeah, I like we got to see how these dolls affect people at the end.
Yeah.
With the Blair Underwood when the wife is like, the wife is somewhere else.
She's like in an old timely sitcom the way she's just sitting there smiling,
asking him, can you got to cut the cake?
And he was like, yeah, I'll cut the fucking cake.
Yep.
It had already been.
See, and that's, I like the supernatural aspect of it.
It gives, it gives those like suspense crime thrillers, which I already love.
Like, just an extra layer of stuff that I like.
That's, that's my lane, dude.
Suspense, thriller, supernatural, and horror.
And Satan.
And Satan.
And Marcy, you brought up the Black Coat's daughter.
I didn't even know Kieran and Shipka was in this movie.
She plays the girl that's in the asylum.
Yes, yes, yes.
And she played that role amazing.
Yeah, that's another, like, a really good scene.
And, again, great performances, like, to sort of try and unravel what the fuck is going on.
Yeah, I just loved her performance.
Yeah, just called her.
What did she call her?
A Dirty Flirty Angel bitch.
I'll kill you right now.
if that's what he wanted me to.
That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
Like in the dialogue, if he wanted me to, if he wanted me to jump out the window.
That was some fish.
I'd be happy to see the ground coming up to me.
I was like, whoa.
Wow.
But yeah, the dialogue was a little goofy there, but like she pulled it off.
She delivered it with such confidence that it, like, made it work.
I was like, I don't think anybody talks like that ever.
Another thing I was.
surprised by was the inclusion
that
Michael Monroe's character
might be clairvoyant
because the FBI was testing her.
Oh yeah, she was totally clairvoyant.
That was what started the
supernatural part of the movie, right?
But was she or was she just
half-ass possessed by the doll?
And this was, this was the...
I didn't even think about that, yeah.
This was the plan all along.
Because, but again, like,
with the murder thing,
at the start of the movie where
she knows it's the killer's house.
Like that's not related to long legs at all.
No, I don't think it was. But then that makes me
question if we had
some kind of powers, because
then that makes more sense like why
she got on their radar for that
rather than
just with long legs. So I think
she does. Maybe that's why
long legs picked her. Yeah,
I would say that's probably why because
he left her alive.
I mean, obviously, because
the mom did the deal, but
I think we left her alive
for more reasons than making it
a deal with the mum.
Which again, like I thought,
oh, Alicia Witt's kind of, you know,
doing a really unrecognizable,
creepy job, but then
we get the twist where she's
been the accomplice the whole time,
and that also threw me, like,
oh, wow. Like, there was so
many layers to the story that get revealed
towards the third act
that are like, oh, wow.
But like, yeah, that was, that was great, though, that her whole explanation and then breaking down everything, and then she just stands up and says, Hail Satan.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And let's not forget Nick Cage saying that at the very end of the movie, Bede.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And giving a kiss as well.
And also, I think what's interesting, though, is like, you, with the, with the twist, you find out that Alicia Witt was helping long legs.
the entire time. I also like the fact that in a way, when it goes into that sequence where she's
basically telling her story about why all this happened, like you do actually feel a lot of sympathy
for the character because she, the reason she did this was to protect her daughter so that
long, she wouldn't be long legs next victim or for Satan. So, and then, of course, she realized,
reluctantly does this because let's just face it, if a guy like long legs came to your house and said like along the lines, I got a doll for you from the church, you won their round for, why did you have this?
And then started like randomly singing like songs and all that, I'd be like, ah, get the fuck off my lord and get away from me.
But the fact that she, she goes there, dresses up as a nun, that kind of, yeah, obviously.
disarming, right? Disarming. But at the same time for a while, at the beginning, you see, like, she doesn't want to do this, but she has to protect her daughter. But over time, she gradually takes on that mantle and she fully becomes evil. And she starts becoming possessed. Yeah. I mean, you saw when she shot the doll, the black smoke came out of Michael Monroe's head. I thought that was a great effect, man.
Oh yeah.
And that's when you know you're into full supernatural mode, right?
Yeah.
And it makes me wonder, like we sort of talked about this before.
Like, is it because, like, she was on long legs radar that because her doll was still around
and still had the little ball inside it that Satan hides into, you know, to sneak into people's houses?
I don't know how that works, but it just is.
But is that why-
I can buy it though.
I can buy that.
Unlike Arcadia with the dodo birds.
Yeah, but I mean, is that the reason why Micah Munro had psychic abilities?
It's because of that.
And then once her mom shoots the doll.
I think you're right.
No, I think you just.
That's when.
I think that makes perfect sense.
You see a puff of black smoke coming out of Micah Monroe's head, and I think that's
her losing her psychic ability.
And also another twist as well.
There's a lot to this movie.
Yeah, and also Long Legs was in the basement of her mother's house this entire time as well.
Yeah, and technically with what we see in this film, he didn't kill anybody.
He just sent her to do all the doll things.
Okay, question.
Sorry.
No, this question for Marcy, because Marcy says that As Perkins speaks to her in the movies that she's,
seen. Do you think that Disney will approach, and I'm being serious here, do you think they'll
approach Oz Perkins to do like a, let's say, a Star Wars or a Marvel movie? Could you see that?
I mean, potentially, but I don't know if that's the direction he would go in.
Fair enough.
I mean, considering who his father was, Anthony Perkins, why, I mean, maybe he doesn't want to touch the material,
but I would say
an Oz Perkins
psycho story would actually
be very interesting.
I wouldn't
mind seeing Oz Perkins
direct except for like a Midnight Suns movie
where you pull together
you know Blade and We're Off by Night
and all these, you know,
horror characters from Marvel.
I think that might be interesting actually.
Just a thought.
I could definitely see that
but I could see
Oz Perkins go
if he was going to do like
a big franchise film. I could see him doing a horror franchise. Like maybe
Halloween or the...
Oh, God, no. We've been Halloween to death, man. Come on.
Oh, okay. Like, for an example...
Here we go. Oz Perkins is going to do... He's a...
We're fan putting him into a new nightmare on Elm Street with Michael Monroe. There you go.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. They tag him to do something like
like that.
Because it's dark.
Pull it off.
Yeah. I would agree.
I would agree.
Okay.
So.
I think we all love him and we love this movie.
How many, how many people was he like, because he said that like her mom was the seventh one or something and then he had an eight.
Sure.
Was he trying to get 10?
Is that what the goal?
There was.
There was so much numerology in this movie too, Philip.
Well, because I don't know.
The 10 heads that come up or whatever.
And so I was thinking maybe he was trying to get 10.
but I'm not sure
I'm not sure what happened at the end.
I was a little weird about the ending.
Let's rewatch it.
Let's rewatch it. Let's rewatch it right now.
I'm down to do a commentary
for this movie next week.
Oh, sorry, Nereldin.
We've got to do your three movies.
But one day, maybe.
I was like, the movie just sort of ended
and I was like, well, wait a minute.
You know?
It did end very quickly, didn't it?
Yeah.
But Nicholas Cage had that
final kiss at the screen. That was amazing, but you did. Did you ever think before you died,
you'd see that? No, definitely not. But I think what's interesting, though, is like the ending
kind of reminded me of seven, which basically the bad guys won in the end. Like, yeah,
long legs is dead. And basically, that's the reason why Alicia Witt destroys her daughter's
doll is because, like, she's now free and doesn't have to worry about him. But she's still going to
continue doing this last bit of work for the devil.
Did they start the apocalypse or is just Satan continues killing people?
I don't understand.
I think so.
I think the other thing is implying like even though, yeah, she, like Michael Monroe
saved that his boss's daughter, but at the same time, I don't think it's going to
stop the devil from doing this to somebody else down the same.
the track, fight another long legs or anything like that.
I was worried, I was worried it was going to be the little girl.
Or her, or Micah Munro would take over.
I think Mike is free now.
The mom said, you're free.
He's free now and so are you.
And then she smiled, but then she went back to her dirty deeds, right?
Yeah.
I thought the little, I thought Blair Underwood's daughter, I think might be the next.
All right.
And then, but then, like, okay, so she shoots at the doll.
she'd only fired two or three shots into
into old dude
I know and then pop their mom
with one that leaves
at least one left
or two
I don't know why I'll kill the dog
it was probably like a six hour or something right
it probably wasn't like a you know
a six shooter
yeah she probably would at least 12 bullets in the chamber
you think she has a lot of explaining
the dude
There's a lot of explaining to that
because let's not forget the other
dead FBI agent outside her mom's house
that her mom shot with the shotgun.
Oh yeah.
Twice.
Oh, and I will give her credit.
Dude, she was actually holding the gun right,
which nobody ever does in movies.
So,
props to her.
All right.
So that's, I think that we can move on
to thanking you guys for joining us
and where can all the listeners find you?
What are you guys up to?
I know, Bede, you're all over the social media.
You've got TikTok videos.
You've got all kinds of only fans.
Come on.
Yeah, sure.
You guys want to see Bede's but all?
Yes.
Yes, go see it over there.
But anyway, so in terms of like everything that Marcy and I do for the Super Network,
you can listen to all of our shows because we have five shows on the network,
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All right, very nice.
And as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.
You know where to find us.
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Pretty simple. Go anywhere you want from there.
Next week,
Nareldin is back, our patron,
with three movies.
We're going to watch Tales from the Hood,
the original.
Let's see, what else?
Savage Land and, oh,
how's this for a feel-good movie?
The Nightingale. Do you get seen that one?
Yes, we have.
I haven't.
Yes, nothing.
Oh, I won't give it away then.
feel good movie to come out of Australia.
I'm watching it right after we do this with my wife.
It'll be great.
I wouldn't do that, but okay.
So, Philip, since you're on the high note right now,
until the horror returns again,
good night.
