The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #427: Nureldin's Patreon Picks - Tales From The Hood (1995), Savageland (2015) & The Nightingale (2018)

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

This week, Pedro swings by to talk some Patreon Picks with our super patron, Nureldin Maslu! Cool of the week includes Cobra Kai, Deadpool & Wolverine, and House of the Dragon. Trailers are Terrifier 3 and Hell House LLC: Lineage. The podcast spotlight shines on Watch if You Dare. And we get feedback from David Barta, Don Lowery, John Lisa, Sissey LeMaire, Nelly, Lukitsh, and Richard Stone. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware, this podcast contains major plot spoilers, and the foulest. of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everyone, to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance. With me as always, we have our co-host, Philip and Brian, and also our co-host, Pedro. What's up, man? Oh man, I'm just happy to be here once again. Yeah, dude. So, look, Norel, is here with us tonight

our our patron our friend to the end what's up Nareldin not mad nothing much y'all I'm happy to be here

again and talk about some good films with y'all today we uh we under hey we understand you and Pedro go way back man yeah yeah yeah I mean

I have I had another podcast called like a fabulous lucha brothers and I mean that's kind of where I met you went right near Eldon I, and then we had a, a Vegas get-together about two, what was it, two years ago. It was a whole lifetime ago, but yeah. Yeah, exactly.

A lot has changed. And so that's why I first met you in person. Like, like, Noralden was one of those guys that was like, I'm going to, I think you just surprised us, right? You didn't tell us you were going to show up. And so he shows up there and we're already all drunk and high and whatever, whatever else. And so he shows up there wearing the faces of that shirt, which made us all marked. out. You know, we all pop for that. But yeah, it's just, there's a wrestling

connection, and I'm just happy that you found these guys as well, because these guys are also family, you know, the Horton Returns crew. And so here you are, you know, supporting the show. It's true, yeah, thank you for that introduction. Yeah, it was like, it was a great experience. I think

it was sharing a little bit. It was kind of like, I told myself, I'm going to do it. It was a once and a lot, dude, some shit just fell. It was a ghost. Uh-oh. The ghost in the house is like, what's what you're talking about um yeah i told myself i'm gonna i'm gonna go uh um just live life you know it's something i wanted to do and was able to make it to Vegas have a great time um meet a whole bunch of dope folks and here i am now again um patreon patron fully supported got

the the pop uh promotion and the t-shirt y'all if y'all are considering joining a pay uh being a patron definitely recommend it because there's some perks and you get to uh chalk it up with a whole bunch of dope folks. The only thing that we Mandela affected was the shot glasses. Those are not included. Somehow, we just created all the thinner, but those are not included in the package. Man, it's funny you should say that. I ended up with this glass, Pedro, but I almost pivoted to my beer glass that we got from,

what was it, Lollapalooza? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Six years ago, seven, eight? I've had adventures with all you guys, man. It's been a while. All right, cool. So, Nareldin, walk us through this, dude. What are we going to be watching tonight, or what are we going to be talking about?

So tonight, we got three films in store to talk about. We got Savage Land. We got Tales from the Hood, and we got Nightingale. So I feel like all of these three films, there's like a running theme between all of them in terms of, like, different types of thematic topics. such as like colonialism, racial tension, the United States. And it's, well, that was completely unintentional. And I'm glad it worked out. And it'd be like that sometimes.

I was going to say, Naranin, because we also have another connection in that we're both in the mental health world, you know. I don't know around it is in the early stages of his career. And so I was like, there's the, you know, the commonalities in these films, you know, there's a lot of like cultural aspects to it. you know, a lot of, like, oppression, discrimination, a lot of stuff that we deal with in our, in our, you know, related field. But then, you know, you're just saying it was just a coincidence. So, you know, I'm going to take the kudos away. No, I'm not. I'm just kidding.

All right. Well, we're going to, I guess the question tonight is not, like, what's everybody's cool of the week? The question is, are we going to have five people that all have the same cool of the week this week, right? Probably. Narelda, have you checked it out yet? You know what I'm talking about. Oh, man. We're talking about Cobra Kai? No, that's the only thing that I saw this week. I think I'm on a different page than y'all.

I could go first because that is my cool of the week. I've been a little busy, so I haven't been able to see a lot, but I saw both the aforementioned Cobra Kai and also saw Deadpoo and Wolverine, which was... There you go. It's interesting. That's a very, very interesting film. Because I loved it, first of all. I had a lot of fun with it.

It was a little too inside if I want to put my critic hat on. But it's the same thing that I said in my review of a Spider-Man. Was it No Way Home? Yeah, the one with the multiverse one. I said back then what I'm going to say now is that once that high goes away from all the cameos and all the inside jokes and all that, what's left is not very much. Right. There's not pretty much story.

especially in Deadpool and Wolverine. There's not a lot of story. I mean, I'm going to avoid all spoilers just because a lot of people still haven't seen it. And so I do wonder how history is going to treat this film. You know, is it a film that we're, is it going to be, is it going to have a lot of rewatchability value? Where is they going to land once we get Avengers 5 and 6 going? Because Marvel's been in the news quite a bit. We'll get into that too.

Like, you know, with the whole Dr. Doom announcement, which I have mixed feelings about that, you know. So, so, so, so, my cool of the week is definitely that one over, and it was a fun movie. If you're invested like I am, because I watch these, I revisit these films, I shit you not, maybe at least once a year. And I'm talking about from the beginning. Like, I'm, I'm deep in it. Even the shitty ones? Yeah. I mean, there's, you know what, honestly, other than phase four, like, which are consecutive shitty.

There's not a lot of shitty ones in the early years. That's true. So those are easier to get through. but um that that one thor movie i wouldn't that one yeah the thor the dark world and then um what's the other shitty one i mean some people sarin man three i don't i don't agree i like shame black's whole thing there with the buddy but um but this one in particular yeah i'm more interested how history is going to treat it in the future where it's like yeah because once you get past you know to use the wrestling term once you get past the high spots like what is what is it there's not much left you know

so so that's my cool of the week one of the things that i i love to see that was awesome was that it was back to that concert atmosphere that we hadn't seen in a film for a long time i went to the whole midway thing you know the whole first day the nerd shit so it was nice to see it was nice to see that atmosphere again because we hadn't seen last time i saw that was probably for uh for um no way home that was probably the last time um and just the way films have been going the last few years where you know people are saying that cinema's dead and all that it was nice to see that there's still films that could bring it up, at least for a weekend, you know? So I really enjoyed that movie.

What do you guys think of it? I'll jump in, yeah. I loved it. Everybody's talking about it was fan service. Hell, yeah, it was fucking fan service. It was all the shit that we were asking for that we didn't get. I loved all the cameos. I do see your point, Pedro,

about once the surprise of all the cameos and all that wears off. I can see it not being as good, but, man, was it a fun fucking ride the first time yeah yeah i mean there's a couple cameras in there that i was like what i can't believe they got this person you know i was like what the fuck like a couple and and um it was fun it was fun everything and it was like one of the one of the differences though between the spider-man movie um and this one is that there was so many jokes in this one that

there's no way we caught them all you do actually have to watch it again because it was like one after another like just bam bam pam pam and so there was a lot of little things that we probably missed in the first viewing that we have to check it out again see and that's why i think it does have rewatchability because it's more of a comedy which is kind of what deadpool is and yeah i'll watch comedy movies over and over and over and over and over again if it's something super serious with a real drawn-out plot i may watch it once or twice but it's not something i'm I'll revisit every time. This one I definitely will. I loved it, loved it. Yeah, yeah. And I wanted to say one more thing because there is this whole thing about the fan service thing. And, and, you know,

to me, yeah, Marvel is desperate. I mean, they brought back Robert Downey Jr. for Dr. Doom. This one was very fan servicey. The new Captain America is essentially going to be a remake of the Winter Soldier. You could already see it. And so, but to me, okay, so you have people complaining about that. But what's the opposite? The opposite is for these producers to just hold on to their heels and be like, we're just going to do it our way. So we're going to get what Disney's doing. I mean, what, yeah, what Disney's doing, right?

With Star Wars. Right? It's like, Star Wars is the opposite of this. Star Wars is more like, no, this is what we want. And you guys are going to, like, eat it up whether you want to or not, you know? Yeah. So to me, it's like, well, at least Marvel is recognizing, as we saw in that point of ring, because there's a lot of throwaway lines about how they fucked up the last couple of phases.

And so. I think they're recognizing it. I think in their mind, they're giving the fans what they want, and that is going to be fan service. But right now they're in survival mode, and I agree with their strategy. Give us a little bit of what we want to get us back in and then start kind of experimenting again.

But for right now, for better or worse, you have to go back to the roots. I mean, and that's what they're doing, and I don't blame them for it. Yeah, that's what I really loved about their whole Comic-Con. panel because it wasn't like hitting you with we're going to do this we're going to do this you know mapped out so the next 10 years i think they showcased three or four movies that they're going to do over the next four years and yeah i think i think they're going to concentrate more on what's next what's the next direct

thing instead of what's going to be 10 years from now yeah that makes sense it was a little concerning that there was absolutely no talk about blade. I mean, there's people predicting... Oh, no. He talked about it. Kevin Foggin talked about it a little bit. He just said, we're not going to rush you. We're not going to...

Not going to rush you. I mean, that's a very definite... I mean, it's five years. Five years ago they announced this fucking movie. I mean, Jesus Christ. Motherfuckers still be trying to ice skate uphill. Yes. Yeah, there were so many moments in this movie

where I was just, like, laughing out loud, or actually making audible noises in the movie theater and everybody was totally digging it, man. It was pretty great. And I do love that he was digging at Marvel the whole time that he was doing it. He's like, God, this is so he's Marvel Jesus. So he's going to save the franchise, hopefully.

Not to spoil anything, but he also threw a shot at DC. Yeah. When a certain cameo, a certain variant Wolverine cameo showed up. I don't want to spoil it, but he was like, yeah, the guys that treated you bad, treated you shitty down the street. Oh.

Yeah, that was, I loved what they did at the beginning and the way that they twisted it in the middle and then that last scene where a lot of cameos are that if you go and look at the cast, you may not actually recognize them because they're all in costume and stuff.

But if you go look at the cast, there's a lot of cameos in there that you wouldn't expect at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love the comedy aspect of it. You know, I like the fan service.

Like Pedro said, you know, two, three, four viewings down the road. We may think differently about it, but it seemed like it was just what we needed. And my acid test was that I brought the wife with me. And AJ was just over there rolling her eyes, groaning, like shaking her head like this. She's like, he's so filthy.

He's so filthy. It's Deadpool. Yeah. Well, yeah, but so was Wolverine. He was an asshole, too. I said, Wolverine is an asshole. He's not the nicest guy. He's a really grouchy dude.

So, yeah, I love Bill to shout out to classic Marvel covers. You know, like the field of skulls, Pedro, where Wolverine was up on the X. Yeah, you got a whole bunch of Deadpool covers. Yeah, it was what we needed. Noreldin, you got something different, right? Cobra Kai, is that your thing or what? Yeah, this is true.

That's where I checked out this week. I've just been living life, and I've just been trying to catch up on the things that I can. Sure. And, yeah, I've been really enjoying this Cobra Kai season. I think the writing has been really, really good compared to some of the previous seasons. I think, like, season four, season three,

I was kind of like, oh man, I wasn't really into it. But I think this season, really, really good kind of solid writing that kind of captivating me. I'm like, oh, man, there's some real shit going on. I think the language, too, is a little bit more like adult, right? More realistic. Exactly. And I just couldn't help but laugh because, like, these pools are just growing up. There's some, like, grown-ass dudes now.

I know. We got, we got, wow, what's his face? The Blue Beetle, right? He's got a whole different life now. And so I kind of seeing them like a grow as actors and seeing like those images kind of cross-pollinate with where they started and Cobra Chi was really nice. But I'm excited to see where it goes. Yeah, it's a little comical because all these, all these quote-unquote kids are almost 30 now, which is that's what happens when you do these kind of shows. But in the show timeline, they're still, they're just about to graduate high school.

And, and. With gray hair. I but but uh norelland I do disagree with you in the sense that um like the Martin crease character like where it ended last season and then that's a pretty big moment like last season he just he just randomly escapes prison right this guy this guy is 75 years old and he throws a chop here and there and he's out he just walks out of prison and and you know I am going to spoil it here cobra guy's been out for a while a couple of weeks already or maybe even almost a month so I will say this. In this season, he's just walking around like willy-nilly. And I'm like, right. Don't you have like

the- Hey, let's be fair. He's barely walking around. And that's the thing. Like, I think they write for his character to be way younger than his as, you know, as Martin Cove is old. So he walks like, like, you know, I don't know if you guys have been to wrestling conventions. When you see these older wrestlers, the way they walk, because they're all beat up. That's how he walks. And they can't fake that. They can't CGI him walking normal. Yeah, it was like his, the first scene in this new season when you see him, he's like walking out of the shadows. And while he's walking, I'm just like, whoa, be careful. I think with Cobra Kai, one of the things we have to accept, which is hard for me sometimes because I'm such a fucking snob when it comes to this shit.

We have to accept that somewhere along the line, this show went from a drama concerning the character of Johnny. and then it turned into a complete cartoon. And we have to accept that. Like, if we accept that, then we're going to have a good time with it, right? Because this season is complete cartoon now. And it's been building up to that. Like, you have fucking kids just knowing karate after, like, one lesson.

Like, they know how to do like the, like the Canon Ryu fucking helicopter kick. They just bust it out. So as long as we accept that it's become somewhat lowbrow, you know, cartoon, then I'm okay with it because it's a fun show, you know. they do have a couple very uh to me they're captivating storylines one of one of them is exploring my agi mr miagi's past right they found the box and i think that's going to be connected to the movie next summer with jacky shank coming in and all that um and then also um just the the tournament

and and and how that's going to make um daniel aruso because it seems like they're building them for him to be a little more aggressive than he has been you know so so so um so those two things are are pretty good. Another thing that I didn't like, and Noreldin, I don't know if you agree with me or not, like some of the little conflict with the kids, it came off a little privilege to me. Like, like Hawkins, is it Dimitri, his friend,

the nerdy guy? Like, they're talking about, they're all butt hurt because they're not going to the same college and university. And I'm like, yo, I grew up in the streets. Like, we don't have, like, that's a very privileged storyline, you know, like, what the fuck?

Sure, sure. I mean, I mean, There's nothing wrong with community college. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with community college or getting a job after high school, getting a trade, you know, like a blue collar work. And over here, they're talking, they're all mad and they're all pissy, you know. I didn't like that, because I don't relate to that. So that was the disconnect for me.

Yeah, that whole you out of everybody got into MIT. Yeah, MIT. Exactly. And then you have the Johnny storyline where it's like he wants to buy a home for his family. you know again like his chick is pregnant and I'm like how old are these people aren't they like in their 50s and their 60s at this point but whatever modern medicine modern medicine um so and then I'm thinking like Johnny makes no money like his dojo is free and like he's over here I mean now he's a car salesman right he's trying to pick up his job and whatnot but but yeah I mean again I'm not going to take it that seriously I'm just having fun with it and yeah it left off on a good cliffhanger with the whole Tory thing, you know? Well, one thing I can tell you this week, I'll bet you Brian does have some horror headlines

for us after the SDCC that just happened. What's he got for us, Brian? Let me pull out stuff on my phone here. Got another... Is that your source? We got another horror movie coming from A-24 this time. starring Kyle McLaughlin titled Alter. Wasn't that one of the Netflix movies that got really popular?

There's a movie called Alter on Netflix that's really good. Where they go into the woods and then they have all those hallucinations. Is that Alter? Anyways, I'm probably tripping. It's probably not the name of the movie. Yeah, I'm trying to think because for some reason, I think there's a bunch of horror movies titled Alter. Yeah.

And you guys know why they do that, right? It's a strategy behind that because in the world that we've, living now when when everything is on streaming Alter starts with an A so it's going to be the first kind of the hot up. So a lot of these producers, they think about shit like that now. I get that. I get that.

Let's see here. Now, according to collider.com, somebody going to ask, where's my source come from? There you go. 28 years later has reportedly rap production. Now, they are

filming a trilogy, so I think they're filming a couple of these back-to-back. but the first movie has wrapped filming. Good, good. We should start keeping tabs on how many films get announced, get into production, and come out before Blade comes out. That would be a pretty fun game. There'll be a lot.

There'll be a lot. Because, I mean, 28 years later, just got announced like a year ago, and it's already done. So, you know, people are working, you know, and it's like, here we are with Blade. You know, Marshala Ali or whatever his name is, he's going to be 50 by the time they start production on this thing. It's getting a little ridiculous here.

Let's see. Cocaine Bear 2 is currently in development, but Elizabeth Banks and talks to return to direct. Of course. I mean, I didn't hate it when I first watch it, but in repeat views, I don't like that movie at all. It ain't great. It's not a masterpiece.

That's for sure. What is a masterpiece, Lance? It's a piece of something. Night swim is a masterpiece for land. In its own right, yes. How are they going to come up with this? Mario again or is it the same bear? Bear lives forever.

Yeah. See kids? Maybe the bear, no, I got it. The bear had cubs. That's right. There were cubs. He had crack babies. Cocaine cubs. Oh, no. I think Brian, Brian just nailed it. All right. Screen 7 will reportedly start filming in December. Okay, well, good luck on that.

they have a lot of explaining to do what happens to the two main characters that are suddenly not there anymore they're i i'm going to say they're going to mention them not by name in like a passing comment i still think it was all the plan to get neb campbell back i guess it worked right she's yeah why would why would the other two have to leave for that yeah well to clear up money oh because she wanted money. Yeah, they did roll back the bank truck for the bank truck for her. Yeah, you fire one and another one leaves because the other

one got fired. Bam, you got the money Neff Campbell was asking for. There you go. Okay. You guys fan of Dexter? Not really, but I know about the show, of course. Yeah, this is the second sequel

series that come out. Because we talked about the prequel series, Dexter original sin, well, just over the weekend Dexter Resurrection with Michael C. Hall has been announced. Okay.

Makes me not want to catch up with the series because you're just kind of telling me all the stuff that happens. So I thought, but wasn't this one going to be a prequel? Like showing how he kind of became, how he became or something like that? That's another, that's the original sin. Yes. Wow. How many of these do they got?

Original sin, Christian Slater is going to play a younger version of his dad. Wow. This is Walking Dead territory right here now. Yeah, that's right. That's right. The new franchise, right? All these different spinoffs. I'm glad you brought that up, Pedro.

Darryl, Dixon, or whatever it's called. It's getting a third season ahead of the second one before it even comes out. And I think they're going to Spain. Oh my God. Spagna. Okay. You know, I have, this show has gotten a solar like absurd. Like, I saw the trailer because they premier a trailer at Comic Con and talk about lazy writing.

Like, and I don't know what happens, but there is a scene in the trailer where Carol magically finds a helicopter. Okay. Or is it a plane, one or the other? A vertical takeoff and landing plane. How about that? And I think, I think that's how they go to. to Europe on the Jesus Christ

because one of them I don't know if it's the second season Brian or the third season one of them is entitled the Book of Carol which is fucking stupid I was just about to bring up how absurd that sounds the Walking Dead Darrell Dixon the book of Carol that's the title

for season two yes yes not the book of Bubba the book of Carol no but in the trailer they just find an airplane or a helicopter my brain can't find with a cure A concord.

They found a concord, right? But either way, a helicopter's not going to take you to Europe. I don't care how much fucking gas is in that thing. You know what I'm saying? Maybe it's a solar-powered helicopter, dude. But it is better than how Daryl Dixon got to Europe, where he literally passed out on a boat and crashed at France. Drunk.

How long was he passed out? They never explained that. That's how the show starts. He's passed out. He's rocky and he's in France. It's like Dracula. It's like Dracula. over again.

Maybe he wasn't the last voyage of the Demeter or something. That's what I'm thinking, yeah. That's like to France. Yeah, this is getting absurd. All right. Let's see. I think a few, this is another movie that's been in development. Todd McFarland had announced he was reboot and spawn and he was going to direct.

Oh, yeah, sure. Ten years ago, I think we heard that. Everything changed. The movie is now titled King Spawn Off of the comic book series He will not direct And the script is now finished So they're searching for a director

Which that kind of makes me A little bit more interested in the movie Because I didn't like the fact that he was directing And he had no directing experience Just kind of gave me Stephen King Maximum Overdrive vibes He's got plenty of cocaine

He's good, right? Well, Rob Zombie did a good job with House of a Thousand Corpses, but that was about it. Well, the Devils Reject, it's also really good. Yeah, yeah. Any of you guys played Bioshock video game? No, actually haven't. Sounds familiar. I know of it, but yeah.

Yeah, it was supposed to get a movie at Netflix, and they just recently came out, said the movie is still in development, but they're going with a smaller budget. Wow. It seemed like it could have been cool because Bioshock, I'm pretty sure, has a pretty cool story. What was that? Netflix and small budget don't seem to go together very often, do they? Maybe they're learning, though. You have to control these budgets.

That's true. Yeah, Lansis, they would have went with a big budget for BIOhazard. They would have up their Netflix bill again. I know. They just stuck the rock in there or something. You already have I'm paying 25 bucks a month for that shit. That's the last thing I need to be paying 30 a month for it. I canceled by it.

It's just nothing on there that I want to watch. Yeah, that's true. And we won't get another house to Usher because he went to Prime, right? Yeah. Which I wasn't going to put that in news, but there was a news thing saying that Amazon and Mike Flanagan talk weekly about a Dark Tower movie or possibly series. Weekly. Teasing. Teasing.

It'd be cool. People have been trying to get off the ground for years as well. That's another one, you know. Yeah, they got that shitty movie out, but other than that. But with Flanagan behind the wheel doing a series, I think they could totally pull it off. Yeah, they just got to keep every season to one book. If they try to fuck it up and they try to do like, well, look what House of the Dragon. You guys watch House of the Dragon and all like the second season?

Oh, that was another one of my quote of the week. Yes, I am watching. Yeah. Yeah, but they're really sucking. it for all it's worth pedro dude and they're only like like 20% of the the fucking book how how many would they go 10 seasons just on one book or something okay but i thought but i thought they were only adapting one story from that book because that book is huge is that what it is okay well yeah it's like a hundred years of history basically yeah so so they're only adapting one one particular

that saga that we're seeing play out okay that makes sense that makes sense and the second season has been really good, by the way, for the folks that haven't seen it. I would encourage you to see the second season. The first season is also good, but the second season, it's just... I like how, you know, we're focusing on one story. Yes.

Like, with Game of Thrones, it has you all over the place, you know, with all these different wide range of characters, whereas here, yeah, there's a lot of characters, but it's just one story. I'm adding that. I'm adding that to our cool of the week list, Pedro. How many episodes do they have left? one the season finale is coming close oh okay cool well then in that case i may check it out

because we got through like the first episode but uh yeah i don't like the weekly format yeah we've seen we've seen two so we get a long way to go all right a few more things here lance your favorite slasher movie of all time is getting an official sequel and violent nature too is in development is that what they're going to call it. In a violent nature too, or he who walks through the woods on grass for an hour?

He who rocks among the... What is it? He who rocks among the rose or... I ordered that t-shirt, by the way. You know what they should do to keep with tradition? You know how the Friday of the 13s, the sequels would always start with like a five to ten minute recap of the previous movie? Oh, of course.

Of course. Yeah. They need to start this movie with the old lady in the truck and her and her monologue once again. That should be the first thing of the fucking movie. The whole first 30 minutes. It started from the end or replayed the entire?

Oh God. And we'll finish off here with Lance. Have you read Stephen King's The Long Walk? Yes. Love it. He did it under a different name, right? Yeah, Richard Bachman. That was like one of his first Bachman books.

Now, from what I understand, this was a movie that they've been trying to make for years. And lately, it's just, it's full steam ahead. They got the cast. I think they started production. And they just added Mark Hamill and Judy Greer to the cast. That's good casting. Yeah, if Mark Campbell plays the character, I think he's going to play.

It's like in the, it's like in the not too distant future, right, where they randomly pick young men from different families to try to walk, to compete so they have enough money for their family to live. It's came out way before the Hunger Games and all that shit. And I want to understand they have to walk

a certain speed. They can't go under the certain speed. Yes. Yeah, they're modeled. They'll just take out an oozy and blown away. But if Mark Campbell plays the character, I think his name is the colonel, the military guy that kind of like pushes them on. And like you know, it's kind of like, you know,

in one sense he's like trying to help him finish, but in the other sense, he's, you know, got some, got some not so nice things that he likes to do to the kids. Nothing sexual. Oh, okay. I don't want to give too much away, but it's, it's a brutal. No, it's a, it's a brutal story, dude. Like, I was, I had tears coming a couple of times because it's just, can you imagine, like,

being that young and having to literally fucking walk across the country? like with no rest stops or anything like that. Like you say, you've got to keep within a certain speed. So if they do it the right way and stick to landing with a book, I think Mark Ham would be perfect for that role. Trying to look out who the director is. They didn't hire the Cobra Kai cast of the 30-year-olds to play. Yeah, that's right.

30-year-old teenage. This is directed by Francis Lawrence, who's worked on Constantine, I Am Legend, The Hunger Game. All right, this is due out to be announced title, but it looks like next year. All right. In the theaters.

This is a theater movie. So before Blade, okay, remember we're keeping tabs on this. Yeah, exactly. And Salem's Law, that's another one that never came out. Oh, no. Say it, I forgot about that. That one got announced earlier. It's going to be, they're going to put it on Max,

and they said it'll be on before the end of the year. okay we'll believe it when we see it right it's been TBA for about

two three years now so sure sure it's done found yeah that's one of the one that says

yeah I know I know that for a while people were worried because they thought that was going to be another tax write

off for Max but they seem they're going to put it out we shall see how does that work you spend

I don't know I'm not I'm not a multi-million dollar producer I wouldn't be able to yeah like that girl

they spent like eight 100 million dollars on it shelved it said it will never come out due to tax reasons and they saved money I don't understand I don't get it maybe they have to pay less taxes

you know I guess but that seems weird that one in the Wiley Coyote movie they also did that with that one as well yeah and that one had John Cena in it which is a tragedy what you're not fucking with us

yeah it was like a like a lot of action You know, the movies where they mix cartoon and live action. It was like Space Jam, but with La Paiote. Yeah, Space Jam was pretty good. I like the new Space Jam. It's fun. What?

I know last week I said I'd never do this, but Lance, Space Jam 1 and 2 are shitty. Yeah, but at least the Jordan was false. I never. Phil, I'd never like that movie. Even as a kid, it just seems stupid to me. I wanted more Bill Murray than Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is not the best actor in the world. Yeah, look you about that.

Next time people watch that movie, next time people watch Space Jam, I don't know why the fucking everybody who want to watch Space Jam, but if you do, look at the way they work around Michael Jordan. He never in the entire movie, he never has more than two or three lines of dialogue. And like they never, they never allow him to get going to a soliloquere, nothing like that.

It's just they protect him because they know he sucked. And they have actors around him the entire time to carry the load of the film. It's a trip when you watch it. Yeah. All right. Pedro, you know you used to go home from school singing I believe I can fly all the time. Come on. Oh, that was a horrible.

All right. Noreldin, you're ready to go down to the trailer park with us? Yes, indeed. Let's take that trip. All right. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer this week, Brian? Well, we got a bunch of teasers this week.

Okay. And the first one is Hell House LLC lineage, which I'm pulling up to I-DB. There is nothing on here. No plot, no actors. I'm assuming the same team that did the previous ones. Right. So anybody excited to go back to Hell House? Yeah, we love these movies.

We love these movies. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else you could say. I think Origins pretty much closed the book on it. I mean, it's... And then the middle two were not that good. I mean, to me, the one that everybody talks about is the first one, right? That's the one, the quote-unquote, quote, classic. Yeah, sure, sure.

And then Two's really bad. Three's decent, and then Origins is pretty good. It's really bad. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it was horrible. And, but three and four are not that bad. I mean, they're watchable. And then, so we'll see what's up with this one.

But at this point, you could tell, because the guy that I've created this entire franchise, he's in the movie. I think he's a director and he's one of the stars. So I don't know, man, these guys, they latch on to these franchises, these IPs, and then they just milk them for all their worth, you know, because it's money. And we might be there at this point, you know? We might be at the point where it's like, I don't give a fuck. It's just another paycheck for me.

Let's go ahead and put another one out. I think his name is Stephen Cognetti. Didn't we interview him? Yes. Oh, yeah. We interviewed him and also some from the next trailer you're going to talk about. Yeah. So I guess there's nothing really to say.

It's a teaser with kind of looks like it was filmed in my neck of the woods, most of it, with all the snow. Oh, the Canadian Hell House. I can't wait. Oh, wait, Alaskan. I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't know who you're. talking about can we get the shot of the manor and i'm assuming lineage it's probably going to be another prequel ask i think those are always the best when you like go so far back where you can kind

of create your own type of story yeah like what they did with um motherfucker annabel right um like the good one they you go so far back sure you're you got a free canvas to kind of work work your work your magic. So hopefully there's some magic to be created because, yeah. Like when you're talking about that second Annabelle, you said the good one because that is the only good one.

Yeah. And they were still nice enough to kind of tie it into the bad one. They were like, here you go. Yeah. Right, right. I'm still wondering how they're going to close off, they're saying they're going to close off that conjuring universe with the next one, but I'm like, what is there to close off?

That's what they say. You got to kill Ed and Lorraine. Oh, no. Are they still alive in real life? Well, one of the Ed passed away, rest of peace. I think they both have at this point. Okay. I don't think Lorraine is around anymore either.

It's always the guy who goes first, right? And by the way, for the people that have never seen the real Ed, the complete opposite of Patrick Wilson. Is he? He's not as alpha-looking as Patrick Wilson. I just put it that way. They did the Richie Valens gimmick. Oh, yeah, they did.

That's right. There you go. All right. Hell House LLC lineage. I think this is getting the same release as the previous one on Shutter. Okay. So that one's due. Now, keep track, Pedro.

This one's due 2025. Okay. All right. Latest also do 2025. Does not forget that. Allegedly. All right. On to our next teaser, like Lance said, we interviewed somebody from this movie.

Friend of the show, David Howard Thornton, Art the Clown, Terrifier 3. What did you guys think? More of the same. Yeah, more of the same. Yeah, more of the same. You know, I'm sure they're going to ramp up the gore because that's what made part two kind of blow up, you know. and I don't know sometimes I worry with these films because

both of them the filmmaker and art the clown they've gotten so much positive press right from this film because it was a phenomenon let's be real I mean it was a small film that got a theatrical which is rare and it just made a shitload of money and sometimes I think

these guys could get a little full of themselves when that happens just because they're getting all that positive and so a lot of times the sequels end up kind of just being so overblown you know and and and And I'm worried about that. I mean, I'm going to see this runtime. If I see like three hours and two minutes,

run time, I'm going to be worried because the second one. Well, no, the second one is two and a half hours, Lance. I know, I know. But I think you said something about this one won't be more than an hour and a half, I think Leon said that. Because when they ask them, like, there's no excuse for any slasher film. I don't give a fuck. There's no excuse for a two and a half hour epic.

To be two and a half film. And then they asked them, why is it two and a half hours? And he was like, well, I couldn't cut anything because everything's so important in that film. And I'm like, oh, shit, here we go. So I'm looking at that runtime for part three. And if it's over two and a half, I ain't going. I'm going to stream that shit. Well, they got some people added to the cast here.

Jason Patrick, Daniel Robo. I believe Clint Howard is in this movie. The Learning Tree, Chris. Jericho was returning. That's one of his boys, so I knew he would be in it. And it looks like whoever lived in the previous movie.

Whoever lived? Okay. If they live, they're back, huh? Which I'm happy, what's her name? Lauren LaBere, the final girl from the second one, I thought she was badass. Everybody's happy to see her again, that's for sure. Yes, yeah, and I'm surprised she hasn't gotten

more work. Like, I don't know, she needs to fire her agent because she came up hot coming out of that. Yeah, I agree. with you and she does her own stunts and there's like a black belt martial arts. Yeah. She has a homemark, I think she has a Hallmark Christmas movie coming out, Brian.

Speaking of which... Then she definitely needs to fire her agent. Hold on, hold on. Speaking of which, I was editing and listening to an episode we did from about a year ago, Brian, and you committed to something that you never followed through on, brother. Yeah, and how dare

you message me five in a morning about some Christmas shit? All right. I was going to say that's one thing about Lance, man. You get you get text from him at all hours of the night. I've gotten them too. Now, I don't mind it, mind you. I love you, Lance.

You can text me whenever you want, but I don't know, brother. Sometimes I'm like, when the hell this guy's sleep? Because you'll get him at 2 in the morning, at 5 in the morning, at 10 at night. You never know. You never know. Yeah, you never know. Yeah, I hear my. I never stop.

Anyway, I just leave that shit on vibrate. I hear my phone, go. and I know it's Messenger and I'm like, I know it's Lance. So I answer it because it's five in the morning. It might be important. Sure, sure. And I just see it's about Christmas and I don't even answer. Well, look, dude, you don't have to do the 31 days,

but you promised me 12 days of Christmas last year. All right. I will do the 12 days of Christmas. And I'll even make it. I'll make half of them. I won't do all horror. Oh, boy. Well, don't overcommit now. Hold on.

You got to get some Hallmark movies in there. I'm saying, Brian may go down the path. He doesn't want to go down. I watch the Hallmark Christmas movie with Bruce Campbell in it. There you go. There you go. I didn't know he had one. All right.

Terrified 3 is doing theaters October 11th. All right. Well, at least they got the month right, which a lot of his horror movies don't really do that anymore. So it's going to make money. for sure. It's got that built-in following already. And I'm sure it wasn't, it didn't cost much to make it. So it's definitely going to make a profit.

Now, I heard that before we go into the listener feedback, I heard that he's got a effects crew working on the film. Do you think that's going to hurt it since he did all the effects for the first two himself? It can, yeah. I mean, if he's supervising, I mean, that's one thing. but if he's going to let them do it, then that could definitely, we could see a difference for sure.

I mean, as long as they're practicals, how bad can it be? True. And also, this is his chance to, this is his chance to really build that mythology of art, the clown and really kind of put some, like something that makes sense, because for better or worse,

like the first two films, they're kind of out there as far as what's really happening, you know, established for the clown yet. So, like, I think back to, like, the guy that's doing the Winnie the Pooh movies, like, the second one, he tried. I mean, he actually tried to make sense of this. And there was even, like, that new twist in the second one where, like, the humans were, like,

integrated with the animals. And that's what we, so, so at least he tried to get. I want to Dr. Moreau. Exactly. Kind of like that. So at least we're, you know, he tried to make some semblance of a mythology. But so hopefully this guy from. Terrifier does the same thing.

This is his chance to do that. All right. Listener feedback. Listener feedback. This week we shine the podcast spotlight on Watch If You Dare. Watch If You Dare is a podcast exploring horror cinema through the eyes of a coward and the eyes of a longtime fan. Wait a minute.

The eyes of a coward, you say. That's what it says. Each episode aired in a horror movie monster boy. and his longtime friend Derek, a lover of the dark and macabre, but a spooky celluloid coward. Watch a new movie and then attempt to put their bony fingers on wide jump scares, supernatural entities, and other phobias get under our skin. Whether you're a hardened horror expert, a casual in love-hate relationship with scary cinema,

or just a victim of a dare. join Derek, Aaron, and the occasional guest or two to face your fears. Watch if you dare. That sounds fun. All right. And Brian created a poll. Who would really win between Freddie Kruger and Jason Borges?

Cast your vote. Leave a comment. Like and follow us. So far, Freddie is ahead. But we just started the poll. Who's ahead? I mean, it has to be Freddie because Freddie could go into Jason's dreams

and just fuck with him there. He's in control. The nightmare world, Freddy's in control of that world. So Jason is powerless, as we saw in Freddy versus Jason. Turn a little ball-headed boy. Yeah, he could fuck with him.

He could make his head explode, whatever he wants to do with him. Like, he could fuck with him. The only thing with Jason is that he just doesn't die. He just keeps them coming at you, like no matter what you do to him. So the only thing, time Jason would have the advantage is if Freddy comes to the real world and then he's powerless.

Like we saw in the movie. Like that's the only time where Jason would ever have the upper hand. So just the fact that Freddie has like mythical powers to me makes him like he would, he could always be Jason. Anyway, that's what my thoughts. So. And I'm checking the poll. Jason is up by two votes. Ooh, look out. Nick and Nick. Go vote. Deadpool and Wolverine. David Barta says, hoping to catch this on the big screen in a week or two. I'm really looking forward to the Deadpool to be in a trilogy face-off. And regarding the thing, Don Lowry said,

it's sad with all the techniques and materials that we have today, along with the knowledge that Hollywood is too lazy and cheap to do practical effects. True. It's mostly cheap, and I want to say, they're just cheap. That's what it is. This was in 1982 and walks all over things, 40 plus years newer. And CGI is a tool, but not good enough to use for the entire effect. So it looks like I'm watching a cartoon.

Rob works here. Rob's work here has stood the test of time and was actually scary. Yeah, I'm always... I was going to say, so here's what we have to think about, and this is the reality. like we as fanboys or whatever you know we're in a bubble right everything needs to be for us because we see the the craftsmanship we see the artistry of all this but these studios are not thinking about us because they already got our money we're going to be there regardless just because we're all fan boys for these things they're thinking about the general audience and i'll tell you what somebody

that just came out of a 12-hour shift that's trying to take their kids or their family to a movie they could get two fucks about you know any kind of special effects or anything like that they just want, they just want like a couple hours to escape their daily grind. And that, and that's the general audience. That's the majority of the people that go watch movies. So if they, if you could save a couple of bugs by just CGI in the whole thing, that's what they're going to do. And from a business perspective, it makes sense, you know, because they don't really make movies for us. They make movies for the general audience. And that's who, that's who kind of, you know, navigates the box office. So that's, that's the reality of it. And it sucks, but, you know, we don't, as fanboys,

as people that are like invested in these things that were in this bubble, we really don't matter because we're always going to support it regardless. Yeah, we're in. We're a captive audience. Yeah, but I think even the general audience is kind of getting sick of like the full CGI movies that are just filmed on a green screen, you know? Right. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, I think a lot of these budgets are so overblown and yeah, you're right, but I don't know if that's a specific complaint from them because they don't They're not even thinking about an option.

They're not even, you know, your casual person that goes to a movie. They're not thinking, oh, wow, I wish Rob Boutin worked on this picture instead of the scene. They're not really thinking. You know, they might not like the CGI because it looks like a cartoon, but they're not thinking about the other options either, you know? Yeah. It's just shitty filmmaking is what we're getting a lot of lately. That's really what it is.

Yeah, I agree. Because, you know, you don't have to go see the big blockbuster CGI Fest that's out in the theaters. There's other movies out there that you can support. Yeah, right? People don't support. Well, sometimes we do, right? No, we do. I'm talking about general audiences.

Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. You know, they're so tired of, you know, the newest Marvel movie, but... Or the newest expendibles, Brian? Like, the one we saw that said it was like all... Correctly, nobody supported that movie. That movie flopped in the box office. All right.

Let's see. Terrifier 3. All right. John Lisa says that clown better not be up to his old BS again, or he's going to be in a lot of trouble. Okay. Was this Ronald McDonald or what? For Scream, Sissy Lamaris says, I was 10, saw it in theaters, continued to babysit, L.O.L.

Why not? Yeah. In regards to Beetlejuice Nelly Lachich says, I remember when the movie came out and was PG and Beetlejuice says, nice fucking model.

How times changed. Different times. Oh, shoot. They give them the one sometimes. Let's see, don't breathe too. Don Lowry says, I didn't understand how they expected everyone to forget about a rapist with a turkey baser from the first film.

Yeah, that was kind of stupid. I'm confused on that. Yeah. Let's make him the hero in the second one. No, but even back then, that was a huge criticism of that movie. I remember vividly, so it didn't go unnoticed for sure. Yeah. Richard Stone says these movies are quite good, but also a little jarring. It's hard to root for a guy who was such a twisted villain in the original.

Right. There you go. we all agree. Yeah. Makes no sense. That's it for listener feedback this week. Intro and logos come from Steve Carlton from the Geeks. Original skull artwork

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The shit. The shit. The river in this neighborhood is a house where souls never rest. You're invited to share their secrets. I've been waiting for you boys.

You're invited to share their tales. Unless of course you're scared. Tales of madness. Of revenge. The golf don't want you there. They want reparation. Of horror.

He thinks he needs to kill the monster. No. Your most terrifying nightmare and your most frightening reality are about to meet. A funeral director tells four strange tales of horror with an African-American focus to three drug dealers he traps in his place of business. Sure. Director is Rusty Kundiif, also known for Fear of a Black Hat and Christmas in Harmony. I have not seen Fear of a Black Cat in years.

Hallmark Christmas movie for you, Brian. Say that name again. Brian can write it down. Christmas in harmony. Christmas in harmony. Already forgotten. Writers are Rusty Kundiiff and Darren Scott. Some of the dolls in the KKK comeuppance segment were later reused in Team America World Police. Didn't know that. Dix, Pussies, and assholes.

Noreldin, what did you think about Talesworth? from the hood. Tells from the hood, definitely a classic. I think it still holds a lot of relevance today with the four different stories. Going off of the first story, right, we've got the killer cop story, which is like super, super relevant during our times right now. I think we even experienced the recent kind of cop killing that has been kind of circulating social media.

And so, again, it still resonates to this day. They did a lot of good effects. And I think for the most part, that first story was very relevant. And I think there's a lot of themes in terms of like kind of disposition of power that a lot of police hold that sometimes goes unspoken in a lot of communities of color. Or in like the mainstream, right? Sometimes it's kind of we say these things, but it's not so much like picked up by the mainstream, right? by the general population that's kind of like, oh, no, we don't believe you, blah, blah, especially like in the 90s, right?

Before the invention of, like, camera phones and, like, our phones are able to record everything was kind of like hearsay, right? Like, oh, that doesn't really happen. It doesn't really happen. And I think when the time that this was created, it was really like this shit does happen. And they provided a platform in a fictionalized way, but it still holds a lot of relevance, right? So I really enjoyed that first story. And then the second story, I think was my favorite out of all four of them.

The David Allen Greer one? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. As a violent... Let me interrupt you here for a second. First of all, I'm a kid of the 80s, right? And so, David Allen Greer is all about a living color for me. I was not ready for this, okay? Neither did you see the fight for you?

I can't think of the actress, but I think the one that plays the the she works at the school i believe she was also in living color yeah yeah she was is it like one of the way-in sisters or something no okay because you know the wayans they got to get their whole family in everything they do think there's 50 of them yeah so so one of this the reason why i appreciate this story in particular is because it's it's a reflection of like domestic abuse that's very prevalent. And I think all over, right? The white culture, it doesn't matter. It's prevalent.

Sure, sure. So this story took us out of, like, the oppression and the racism that we see, because the other three were pretty much focused on that. Well, actually, two of the four. So I appreciate this story for that. And just, you know, seeing how, like, helpless the little kid

was, right? But also just creating this magical world within himself that actually became a reality. But yeah, seeing David Allen that was weird to me because he's always been a comedian to me. But I really like that story. Anyways, go ahead and run. I'm sorry.

I interrupted you there. No worries. I think I agree with everything that you said, right, in terms of like the domestic violence that kind of is presented in this second story. I was watching it. I worked in education for like 10 years, right? So I'm a mandated reporter like by trade. And so there were so much shit that I was like, dude, why? like no fucking red flags just like popping up and like being being right um but um there was

definitely a sense of like deep sadness right really thinking about like this person that you're supposed to really care for um is like a monster right and i think that scene right when the the little boy is thinking like all right this monster is coming up right and you kind of see the claws opening the door right and it's kind of slowly creaking and then he slowly open the door and And it's like, oh shit, it's the fucking stepdad. I remember seeing that the first time. And I was like, oh, my fucking God, this is so fucking crazy. And a lot of young folks, a lot of people experience this.

And I think this is kind of really impactful in terms of showing the brutality of like what it's like to live in a house with domestic violence. Yeah. And one of the things that stood out for me that's also very common is the passive nature of the mom, right? because usually in these situations, particularly moms, they're also a victim, too. So there's this helplessness that they present sometimes. And then they have to deal with that guilt once all these things get resolved. So yeah, so this is another very, very good, very deep story as well that I enjoyed. Definitely.

And I enjoyed the, what is it, the conclusion of this story, right? When he kind of crinkles up the paper and he's all contorted and twisted and everything. That was a good conclusion. First of all, we get that from the kid that was bullying him in class. That was the tease, remember? He gets the paper. Boy, I said, weak bones. I don't know if it was a budgetary thing.

They didn't want to show it, or maybe it was like an artistic decision. But all you hear is the little kid, ah! And then they just show him getting dragged away like, like, like a hernia or whatever, you know. But that was like the first tease of like, this kid has powers with these drawings, you know. And so later on it, pays off with the with the with the step guy this is true um and um yeah i i think from there it goes on to the to the third story the one about the dolls uh the racist politician um david david

yes and he was having it up though he was having it up big time oh yeah joey you know yeah it was uh um kind of what when i when i saw it the second time i was like oh dude fought on and um uh i i i think, again, highly relevant during our times nowadays in terms of like kind of the implicit racism that, the institutional racism that exists within a lot of political systems were kind of presented in this third story, right? I think I did enjoy kind of the effects of the dolls, especially like keeping in mind like this was like back in the day before like CGI was available. All of this is like kind of practical. I think my favorite part of the, of the third story is when you see that little foot trip him, trip the dude, the political

advisor, trip him down the stairs. I always laugh every time that little foot just like, and then it just kind of, he falls down the stairs and he dies, like, oh. And so, yeah, I think there's a lot to kind of unpack here with this third story. And again, still relevant. And I think from there's the fourth story. and this is the one about like this is true yes yes yes with a with a gangster um uh that one was kind of tragic right where it's kind of like i view as as a really tragic story of like this

person who's lost their humanity by being subject to a system of oppression that they had no choice but to kind of force themselves to kind of persevere right be that be that yeah yeah and the thing to me that was but the thing to me that's interesting about about this story is the ignorance that he has, right? He had no idea he was doing this. He had no idea that, you know, he was killing a lot of people of his race, his ethnicity. But there again, you know, growing up in the streets, it becomes a survival thing because essentially you have no choice, you know?

A lot of these kids are recruited before they develop any kind of common sense. So this is what they know. And a lot of the rewards, punishment systems that are in place are a part of how much you could do for that particular gang. Right. So, so there is, there, there is no other perspective of like, you're doing the wrong thing because nobody ever provides that perspective. So, so that's why he's very defensive. That's why he's like, no, I don't do that. You know, he doesn't accept it. And it's interesting because this one, this story was the one that had the less, to me, the less scope, because there was so much you could say about it. You know, they didn't even go into why gang culture exists or what drives it. But I guess that wasn't the point. The point was. just to show the world that, you know, here we are killing each other in, like, stupid, mindless ways that really have no relevance to your future other than getting you into, like, prison, you know, or killing you. So, yeah, so this is another good story that landed for me.

Well, it was, I will say that I was not comfortable watching this dude in his speedo for, like, for like, you know, I was like, my mom, bro, like, is this necessary in this picture, you know, but other than that you know whatever it was a good story but I kind of like that little clockwork orange scene that they had and they're like flashing images of him of like the KKK lynching them and all that and then now it's like okay well the KKK doesn't even have to do it because you're doing it to yourselves yeah you know yeah that was good and I enjoyed a very powerful stuff with the the people popping up that that died on his account and then you got the little girl and she

basically I did nothing and he was trying to justify it by saying, you know, a bullet doesn't have a name. I didn't mean to. Yeah. But that doesn't take it away, right? Just because he didn't need to do it. She still did. That was to say, and then the wraparound story, which I thought it was, it was more comedy than anything because Clarence Williams,

the third was really hamming it up. If we thought Coburn Burson was having it up, this guy was really having it up. Yeah. And so that was kind of wacky. the ending there. I did enjoy that transformation to the big reveal of Clarence Howard

that turned out to be the devil. That was a great, great little transition. They were fucked since they, as soon as they run the doorbell, they were fucked and they were just, he was just taking the time to show them these different stories before you're like, all right,

you actually died. And that was Clarence Williams in actual makeup, the third. That was actually him in the makeup. And he had a, he had a horrible time in the makeup, from what I understand. Yeah, but he didn't have trouble rocking that hair, though. He was comfortable

with that, so. Right of Frankenstein shit. And, you know, and, of course, I mean, we see, that trope is classic, right? In anthology films, the whole strangers in a room, and then they end up being dead, and they're just kind of, we saw that in tells from the crypt from 1975,

and we've seen it before another anthology. I think Asylum had the same storyline. So that's something, I remember when I saw it. I don't have the same exact storyline. They just changed the same storyline, but the same trope of like all these strangers telling stories that they're all like in purgatory. So when I saw it, I was a teenager. I was like 14 years old when this film came on. I saw it.

Like, I picked up on the twist right away, like, because I had already seen all these other films. And so it wasn't like. Yeah, it wasn't a revelation to me. But what was is like, like just the whole transition into like Clarence Williams, the third turn into the devil and all that. That was pretty cool. especially for the effects of the time, you know? But yeah, I love this movie. This is a cool classic.

They try to keep up that thing with the sequels, but the sequels are just, they're terrible. Part three is really bad. That's what I heard. Part two is decent, like, whatever, but part three is really bad. Brian can tell us he watches all of them when we do these. Yeah, I did rewatch.

There's some good messages in the second one. Uh-huh. It's just told very poorly. And the third one is just completely forgettable. Okay. Yeah, it's like Creep Show 3. One we never talk about. And then I think, David, David Keith is, he takes over Clarence Williams,

the third, right? That's his, he does that now from what I remember. That would make sense, yeah. Clarence Williams, the third, they asked him to come back, but I think he had retired at that time. so Keith David David Keith good choice

yeah he's always a good choice all right any other words Eraldon I think that's that's all I got for tales from the hood

all right Pedro um no same thing I mean I've been talking the whole time I mean I love this film it's one that's yeah it's very relevant and I like how sometimes these filmmakers

they use genre to be political, which is nice, you know, because you kind of sneak it in there. You know, it's not forced. Like, I never felt forced when I'm watching this kind of, you know, right. Whereas other filmmakers, it's all about the political message. And it comes off as forced. And that's, I think that's what creates a head with it. Yeah, and that's what creates divide, right?

Because if you're watching that, and all of a sudden you feel judged. And it's like, I don't want to watch this shit. And then that's where the conflict comes in. But when you use genre, like horror genre or even at times comedy, right, like a dark comedy, you get away with it. And I think the message is better stated and more clear when you do it that way. Yeah, I think you're right. Brian? Yeah, I agree with everything Relden and Pedro said about the movie. This movie's a

classic. I tried to find, I got a T-shirt that I bought in Texas Fright Mary when I was with you guys. I can't find how I was going to wear it tonight. I've seen this movie many times. Classic. The message it gets across clearly without being heavy-handed. It's a perfect, I think it was a perfect way to tell these stories using horror, because, you know, this real-life horror going on. So use this genre to get your message across. And then it had a humor mixed in just to kind of lighten up, you know,

certain aspects of it. Great cast, big names at the time. A lot of them wrong with us. It was awesome in this movie. Wingshouser, Ormond Burson. The last story that we talked about with the gangster Crazy K, he unfortunately, Lamont Bentley and Ricky Harris

were in that story. They died, passed away not too long ago. Well, Lamont Bentley, I believe he passed away a while ago. Not too long after that came out. Joe Torrey, like you said, Wingshouser, Rusty Kundaf was the, he's the director, he was the teacher in the domestic violence story.

Oh, okay, I got you. And his mom was the lady, the voodoo lady or whatever that comes out at the end with Baron Corbyn, Corbyn Brinson, is getting beat up by the little dolls. Oh, she's a lady on the chair. Oh, in the rocking chair. Yeah. Yeah, because I have this movie, Scream Factory, put out a great addition. And I'm still, like I've said this before on this show, I will always be a physical media guy. I still have my movies.

And I saw this movie. I saw this movie with the commentary on. So there was a lot of good information there. Yeah. I don't really have nothing new to add. I mean, like I said, this movie's super quotable. Like I said, right before we got into this, yes, the shit. I still say that when someone says the shit.

And I say it, I can tell if they've seen a movie or not by the look on their face. like, what the hell are you talking about? The whole conversation about the refried beans. Right. You just didn't find right the first time. Super quotable, super good, classic.

I think, I honestly, I think it's underrated because I don't see enough people talk about this movie, especially when they bring up 90s horror movies. Yeah. Yeah, I think the, I mean, I'm a huge fan of anthologies. I've tracked them all.

down. I watched them all, even like the really low budget crappy ones. And I think that hurts it. I think I think I think I think I think anthologies are always going to like be looked at different than like a full feature. So that's one of the things that works against it as far as like keeping it in like the lexicon of like talking about it and you know modern times. So so yeah. So I think that's one of the things that it has going for it. I mean going against it. Yeah, but it's very tales from the crypti. So I think that works. It's not a two and a half hour. terror fire too that's for sure yeah epic i wish we i wish more uh more films more anthologies got theatricals i think i think there's yeah i don't know maybe there isn't you know there's there's there's really no no fans for anything right now in the theaters other than like established ipeas but but um sure i don't

know i think there's a place for anthology films and movie theaters and we don't get them anymore which is sad maybe maybe it'll come back man i don't know i don't think movies are going to come back other than that one Wolverine the way things are looking nowadays. We'll see. Lance, what do you think? Yeah, so yeah, like the first

three stories were cool. But when it got into that fourth story where yes, we're talking about he was in his, he was in his speedo. And you go to that, you talk about just fucking that shit crazy, dude.

Like, he was spinning around really super fast. They sped up the camera to show him spinning around while they were fucking with them. And then you had all these, like, sexy women, doctors coming out. And, like, it was just like, yeah, so clockwork orangey, right? But, like, kind of its own thing. So that was the one that I really enjoyed, just because it was so totally fucked up.

And I just wasn't expecting it. Because, like, the first three stories, if you think about it, it's kind of like, all right, so if you watch, like, the old Star Trek, the original series, every single episode has, like, a message that has to do. with whatever's going on currently, right? So there's the racism story. There's the anti-war story. There's the billionaires,

or I guess back in the early 60s, when Star Trek was out, it was like the evil millionaires, right? So you got all these weird stories, but they use a science fiction cover to tell them. So I thought the first three stories were kind of serious, but what's that fourth one hit? I don't know.

I guess I was just in the right mood because my edible was starting to kick in. But like those weird scenes. and what they made him wear and the sexy women doctors and then the lady that she's like, oh, I'm going to help you. I'm with the city. I'm with the prison board.

I'm here to help you, you know. It was just, I think that one kind of is the one I enjoyed the most. And like you guys said, the wraparound was, you know, it's always cool when you got a movie where at the end of it, people think they're like, you know, going somewhere for one thing, but they find that they're somewhere totally different, and they're kind of like victims, or like being dragged through it.

I didn't know it's going to get that fucking literal. I didn't know they were literally in hell with the devil. But, yeah, man, I enjoyed it, but like I said, those first three stories to me were just kind of, you know, interesting, and I definitely understand what they're saying here, and they were kind of, like, important. But I kind of wanted to just get down with a super fucked up weird movie, and on that fourth sequence, that's what I got.

So that's the one I enjoyed the most. I did too, actually. Plus, I think that one had the most to say. The Copland was pretty cool. Thank God we have the transparency with body cams and stuff now. I think that helps on both sides. The doll one was a little silly, but kind of fun. David Allen Greer.

hated it but that one was that one was still pretty good and had a lot to say I enjoyed it man it's always a good movie I wonder if that was an artistic choice by David Allen Greer to show that

bullies are actually like cowards in the real world you know and when it's time to get down that's how he looks or it could just be that him just didn't know how to throw a punch in real life well even when he's hitting her with the belt you could like tell he was like it was yes bullies

bullies are punks right I mean bullies or bitches if you beat up on a woman you're a bitch period yes it could also you could also take an account maybe it was coming through in his acting that he didn't want to do that and it probably showed in his acting

yeah it's a weird person to pick for that role that's what I thought actually when our first song I was like is that No, that's not David. I think he comes from before he was in the comedy acting. I think he had a theater background. Yeah, yeah, he's like a classic-trained actor. So he probably took the role just to challenge himself, you know?

Yeah. Well, and I thought he did pretty good until, you know, he was actually trying to, like, make contact with a punch or something that wasn't working out. I could have been filmed better, I guess. But, you know, it's 90s horror anthology. That's what I'm saying. It did come across as very tales from the cryptish. But I still enjoy it.

It is what it is. You get what you think you're going to get, right? All right. Scores. Noreldem, what do you think? I'd give this one eight scary stories to tell after midnight. Oh, wait, no. Sorry, wrong podcast.

Oh, that's cool, dude. Yeah, whatever works, man. I like it. I like it. Eight on ten. know i wanted to give a shout out uh yeah uh Pedro uh i would have to go nine on 10 i love this film it's the message is there it's it's film beautifully we didn't even talk about the cinematography especially the night scenes with the cop story those are beautiful i mean the

paintings the murals you know when they get stuck there um just good stuff so yeah i'm gonna go nine on 10 i was at eight and a half but just thinking about the movie it kind of took me back to when I was younger to win almost every movie had a hip-hop soundtrack especially in the 90s. Yeah. So that just bumped it up to a 9 for me.

Nice, nice. Lance? I'll go, I'll go a point above Night Swam. Oh, God. Jesus. Oh, God. Hey, man, it's a solid, it's a solid

seven out of 10. Solid. That still puts it the same realm as night swim. And no world should they even be together. I know. I know. I know.

And I know you guys will never, never forgive me for that. We never forgive you for Pet Cemetery. Yeah. I'm going to go seven and a half. Yeah. Good solid. Damn. Yeah.

Good scores. Yeah. Definitely check it out in case you haven't seen it. All right. Right on to the next one. Savage Land from 2015. A grisly discovery in the town of Sangreda Cristo this morning, and a number of SDC residents are reportedly still missing.

Because as one police spokesman put it, the whole town is a crime scene. Spent 30 years patrolling this border, they're going to see some horrible things. We all thought it was a mass murder case. Our thoughts and prayers go up to the families of the Sangre de Christel victims. A person of a person of a victim. interest was detained. We filed a suspect covered in blood.

38-year-old Francisco Salazar, and illegal immigrant has been charged with over two dozen counts of first-degree murder. Everybody seems so shocked about this. Not me. Because I know what these people are capable of. When a small town near the Arizona-Mexico border is wiped out overnight, suspicion falls on the lone survivor. But a roll of photos the survivor took that night tells a different story. directors and writers are Phil Gwidgey Simon Herbert and David Whelan

That's a lot of directors, man Yeah The mural shown at the end Is still on the side of the building in Los Angeles Two years later, it hasn't been defaced with graffiti Okay Well, I gotta go look for it The only one

Yeah, that's in your neighborhood, man Come on Yeah Lynn Wien, creator of Marvel's Wolverine, plays a Vietnam photographer, Lynn Matheson, a combination of his first name and second name of his favorite writer, Richard Matheson. Oh, shit. Oh, look at that. The things you learn.

All right. That is a trip. Okay. Noreldin, would you think about Savage Land? So, Savage Land, I think, uh, is. it's a really interesting story, right? So it's like a mockumentary. It starts, pretty much starts from like the, we start from the end to kind of the beginning. And it basically talks about kind of the racial tensions that exist within the borderlands of the southern United States. So what is like,

what you could say, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, right? The Mexican border. And I think I got a quote right here that I wrote down for some of my notes is that I think, this movie took the idea of like a picture is worth a thousand words and like just really ran with it right and these pictures are trying to depict um kind of what happened to this small town so this small town um was allegedly um killed by this one dude who happened to be a Mexican immigrant right so I think he kind of became the the scapego for a lot of the racial tensions that exist within a lot of border towns that kind of they took that opportunity and be like, hey, this person is a great person to kind of pile this political pressure on and kind of this political narrative on top of

to kind of justify the continued discrimination for a lot of illegal immigrants that come to the United States, right? And so the kind of made him into the boogeyman, basically. Exactly, right? And I think any common person, right? He's going to steal your jobs. He's going to rape your daughters. He's going to fuck up your life.

Yeah. Exactly. They completely ran with that narrative, especially when they bring in the sheriff. The sheriff really like latches onto that and it's like, no, this is what happened, right? And a lot of the townspeak, they kind of, I'm pretty sure they pedestal the sheriff. And so they kind of take his word as gospel. And that's kind of the narrative that's kind of conveyed throughout that community. But I think looking at it, like any common person would be like,

one person versus 32 people, like there's no fucking way one person is going to kill 32 people over the span of a night. Like it's just, it's impossible. Someone has to do something, right? And I think another quote that I have about this movie, it says the third largest mass mass murder that's happened in the United States so far, right? That's kind of where my brain kind of took me. And for the most part, I think it was a really good story because it kind of goes into kind of taking a step-by-step interaction of what happened during that night as a, through the lens of like a reporter who's kind of uncovering all these details that are kind of presenting it in the documentary, right?

And I think there's a lot of different kind of narratives that are presented in this story, in the conclusion. that I guess a person is left to kind of come to their own conclusions. But I think it's a good film. I think there's a lot to talk about this. And so I want to kind of hear from y'all in terms of what you all experienced during your first watch for Savage Land. Well, I was going to ask, so is it demons? Like, what happened exactly? I thought it was sounds like it.

It was like a first land, right? It was like a cursed land, like maybe like a old graveyard or something. And these things just came out and destroyed that entire little town. And like you said, the horror aspect of it is connected to like real politics and the way. I think the inherent biases that a lot of like cultures, because they don't understand each other sometimes present. I actually owned this movie, but I couldn't find it. And so I was like, I ended up seeing it on Tooby. It's a great film.

the only thing that I really wish is that it would have been a little more subtle I think there's a lot of things like the sheriff is just straight up like racist like to the point there's a scene in the movie where he doesn't even want to tell the town what it is right he's like Santo de whatever

it's like it's Savage Land and that everybody like and to me it's like he would have never been able to get away with that if that was the real world like you can't do that like so to me like when I'm seeing this film I'm seeing yeah there's aspects to it are very much based on reality, right?

Of course. And we see this happen all the time. But this particular story, you know that there would have been a bombardment of, like, advocacy work for the, for the migrant, right? So, so that kind of, that kind of disconnected me a little bit. Like, I was like, there's no subtlety here. Like, it's really like these racist, white people against this kind of this immigrant. I had it been a little more subtle, I would have gone along with a writer with a little more, but just understanding that if this would have been a news editorial,

like so many people would have popped out from all over the country to protect this guy, because it's obvious. Well, you would hope so. Yeah. I mean, it happens still. Like, people, you know, there's a lot of advocates that pop out when somebody, like, for example, like the Memphis 3, right? How many people fought for them all those years? And so they were finally freed after all those years.

so um so so that was one of the things like man it's like the sheriff is pretty much a cartoon like i was like come on yeah you can't be talking while like coyote yeah so so maybe if the if it would have been like if it would have been like subtly racist i would have really bought into the film but the fact that he's out there just straight out like you know that's savage land you know and that's not the name of the town but that's what he calls it because he views the people that live there as savages right I didn't get that much out of it from that perspective, man. I just thought it was incredibly well filmed. I mean, I literally thought I was watching a documentary at times.

I just think it was really well done in that respect. No, and I love those movies. I love the movies that are mockumentaries like that where they're like kind of news documentaries because you're like peeling an onion, right? You're getting to the middle of it. Sure, sure. And you're getting more and more bits of information. and there's something there's like a like something creepy about about these kind of films right where

I don't know if it's because our brain is used to see yeah it's like it kind of real like a new story there's like a creep factor of very a you feel like unease right so um so that worked for me in this film because you're seeing it you're like what the fuck's going on here and then and then they start talking about the people that go up to that water tower and then they just throw themselves off and it's like what were they experiencing you know so I think I think it was very clever the way this film was made because you knew they had no money, but they were, they were able to allow our brains to come up with what was really happening as, as the town is getting massacred one by one. Like when they got to, I think it was the preacher and his family and how like the preacher,

I think, killed his family. Although, I don't think that's what happened. I think the demons or whatever killed his family. And then he was trying to protect them, right? Because he saw, he saw the demons and he was trying to give his kids like a quick death because of what he was seen. But the fact that he got... Go ahead.

I just want to share that the priest's name, last name, was Ben Wong. Oh, that's a wrestling thing for the people that don't understand what's happening. Okay. All right. But he... Like, he wasn't even buried with his family. They decided to bury him separate

once they found the remains, but then we're led to believe that the real story was that he was trying to protect them from these demons or whatever. Um, so, so I do like the little roadmap that they take you on, how everything is happening one by one with these families, with the people that were walking. Um, again, very, it looks real. Like documentary looks real. Um, so yeah, no, I like this film. And, and, and of course, it does bring up a lot of the inherent biases that people have because we don't get the time to really understand each other, unfortunately. So, so it was like, yeah, they found a scapegoat. Like, to me, like, the, the prosecutors and the sheriff, what? what was easier to really investigate what happened with these film shots or just like feed this guy to the wolves right well no there's there's there's the guilty party let's go ahead and execute them and we could move on with our lives and that's what happens even though that was the truth of what really happened so so no i really like this film i think um again had it not been had it been a little more subtle i would have liked it even more but even even you know it can be entertained for an hour and a half so so i really enjoyed it all right brian Yeah, just like Tales from the Hood, I thought this was this brought together like social issues and the horror genre and told told the story, you know, in a perfect way. I've never seen this movie before. This is the first time I watched Norel, and thank you because I really enjoyed this one. And this movie creeped me out because I think like you said, Pedro, I think my mind was kind of, I knew, I know it's a mockumentary, but the way the movie was filmed and the way they were showing these clips. and these interviews.

My mind was telling me that I'm watching like a true case. Yeah, like a Netflix miniseries or something, right? And I just liked the way the story was told and how we got one side of the story, then we eventually got his side of the story, and then we were shown the pictures of what really happened. And man, that sheriff,

that guy had an answer for everything. There's no way that he could have killed over 30 people in the town in one night. Well, he was a handyman, so he knew the whole layout of the land. Right, right. Yeah. In and out. I was like, wow, you're reaching here. That's super handyman, huh?

I thought it was, I watched this late at night, too, and it just, it creeped me out. And I just felt so bad for the town's people, what they went through, and what... You got something to have Robbins? No, no, no, sorry. You keep on. Okay. Yeah, it was just a tragic story. And then to find out that I kind of wanted

more, because when you get to the end, you kind of find out that what's happening in this town is happening in other towns, and it's moving north. And people are still kind of dismissing it. And I just really wanted to see, you know, what happens after that, you know. Hopefully, you know,

Is there a sequel to this? No, no, there is. And going back to what we're saying, that little trope, that whole mockumentary thing, that's why I think also how L.L.C. works so well because it always works. Like, I've never seen films that are like these kind of mockumentaries that don't work on media.

They always keep me feeling kind of like a little creeped out at the end, you know? That's why I like watching them. There's a few other ones that are like this. But this one in particular really work well just because there was also like everybody was so somber just retelling these stories, you know? And so that's why I also think it worked. But, yeah, the ending was very like Stephen Kingish, right? Where it's like the evil continues.

Like, it doesn't end here. And it just goes on to the next town. They just can't end the story, like Stephen King, right? And like Pedro said, it's on Tooby, but if people don't want to watch ads, it is on YouTube. And it's on Screenbox. I watch it on a screenbox. YouTube's free. Yeah, that's true.

Well, screenbox is like fucking 26 bucks a year, so it's almost free. YouTube, you save 26 bucks a year. There you go. All right, Lance. Yeah, this was fun, man. I think I've heard of it before. I think I've heard some people talk about it on another podcast, but I just can't believe how well that they made it look like a documentary. It was just incredibly well, you know, well filmed because they didn't go over the top.

They didn't go with all the special effects. The only thing that bothered me, and Pedro, I message you about this, and you said, but that adds to the creep factor. And you're right. But I kind of wish the pictures had been so, you know, blurry, because I kind of got that Bigfoot feeling. You know what I mean? Like, all the pictures of UFOs are Bigfoot.

You got to take into account that he's running around frantically. I know. He's not and at night he's like not telling the beans like all right stay still let me get this shot.

Yeah and it's but it kind of like it kind of confused me a little bit as far as the message because in a way it almost felt like well the evil is creeping from Mexico up north

and I'm like well that's a little racist you know that's it I don't know maybe I misread that part of it but I enjoyed the the documentary aspect of it. I wish that some of the pictures

had turned out kind of clear, you know, where you could actually see, was it demons, was it zombies? Fuck, fellow, was it aliens, right? Oh, yeah. To take a page out of your book. So, you know, you know. But then again, it's kind of cool

that they sort of left it open like that. So I don't know. I would say the acting was really, really good because I honestly thought I was watching a Netflix documentary. It did not feel like a theatrical movie. It didn't feel like a movie with a plot.

It felt like an actual documentary interviewing real people. People were saying things that they would say in real life. And that, it kind of got me. I kind of enjoyed this. I really did. This was a good one, man.

I'm glad you turned us on to it. Yeah. I thought it was pretty good. I wish that they had not leaned so hard on the racism angle and focused more on the... Well, that's what, yeah, that's what Pedro was saying. Yeah.

A little heavy-handed, right? It was kind of heavy-handed with that stuff, and it sort of watered down the movie a little bit for me. Understandable. But I did like the whole documentary part of it. I love these kind of movies. I wish maybe he'd had some video instead of just pictures. I think that was. I know.

Even if it was blurry, you know. But, you know, they were working with what they had. obviously it was very low budget and yeah i think the actors actually did do a pretty good job um yeah i liked it man pretty good i didn't feel like i didn't feel like we were watching actors i really felt like we were watching small town people like a lot of them seemed that's hard to pull off yeah because a lot of like if you're trying to get small town people to to do this mockumentary thing and say something it comes up across kind of goofy you know hide your kids hide your wife you know Yep, yeah.

I don't remember. But yeah, I think they did a really good job with it. I would like to see a sequel. I think that'd be cool. Did they ever explain? I don't know if I caught this. Did they ever explain why the demons didn't get him at the end? How was he able to get away?

Did they ever explain that? The only part that I saw was that he was like, because he knew of the lay of the land, he was kind of hopping from house to house and avoiding them somehow. I don't think it ever said. I just know he was kind of happy to be locked up because he said they can't get me in here. Yeah.

And we've seen that before in many movies, too. Until they all turn up to zombies. Oh, yeah. And then he's locked in there. Basically in the cupboard for them to grab a piece of meat every time they want, right? But they do allure that they do get them at the end

because they kind of alluded that they were the ones that got his corpse out of the grave. And I know that the racist sheriff was like, yeah, two great patriots went there and they dug him out and they took him out. But I think we're led to believe that they ended up getting them in the end. Well, they also said when they discovered, when they were going through the evidence, some of the dismembered bodies had bite marks on them from humans. He also had the same bite marks on him. So he could have, whatever, if it was like an infection or something. He could have been infected the whole time.

Right. When he got executed, then that's when he probably came back or whenever time after. Although it seems like if they were like zombies that didn't just disappear. So I'd like somebody who would have seen him at some point. Well, yeah. It was very open-ended. Again, I wish that the pictures had been a little clearer and they'd, Brian's right. It kind of needs a sequel. I wouldn't mind seeing where it goes from here.

Like maybe next time instead of Arizona, New Mexico or Colorado. Yeah, but I also think that that's part of why the film works because they never really tell you what's happening. That is a very good point. Because remember, from their perspective, as investigators and doing this news story, they don't have all the answers. So they're kind of trying to piece it together. The only one that had the answer was the guy and he's dead because they executed him. and they're not going to believe him anyway. But he's so like shell-shocked, right, that he can't even talk. Like, he was catatonic at the end.

So I think that was an artistic choice to not really tell you what the hell was really going on. I don't know. I think this story also would have been more, maybe a little more powerful if they would have had a little dirt on the guy. And maybe, maybe the thought. Ah, okay. When the film meant that maybe, maybe if we would have left with this idea of like, maybe he didn't do it. it, you know? Oh, yeah.

Leaving it open-ended like that. But this movie decided to just make him such a hero, right? And then, and then, of course, the sheriff's such a racist bastard. Yeah. So you're rooting for him the entire time. So when the film ends, it's more about what really happened, not so much whether he did it or not, because we're pretty sure he didn't do it. So maybe the film would have worked a little more if we would have had some doubts on that as well. Yeah, fair enough.

Yeah, that would have added some layers to it. For sure. I agree. I also think, one last little thing, you're all talking about, like, the pictures, like, maybe if they were, like, videos, I think the pictures were, like, a really cool, creative form of expression. I think, I mentioned at the beginning, like, a picture is worth a thousand words. And I remember when I first saw this film, I was like, these pictures are, they kind of suck. Like, it's kind of blurred. I had that same sentiment.

That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking, man. the more I've seen it, the more that's my favorite part of the movie, right? Where it's kind of like, I let my imagination kind of just run wild of like, holy crap, like what would have happened in this scenario? What were these people kind of feeling? What was going on, right? And I think the kind of the uncertainty of kind of what was going on kind of made me create a picture in my head

that was like really scarier each time that I've seen this film. So I've kind of seen it like sense. Yeah, that makes it. I've seen it three times and each time progressively the photos have been like my favorite part of it. But that's just my perspective, right? And I think another thing that I kind of want to mention, there was like a little homage to kind of Halloween, right, where it was like, why did he go towards the little girl, right? Like out of all of these people that he was like could have tried to save or like in the town, he was like, why her? You know, why are you going to her? Why are you trying to kind of go save the girl of the girl of the, the girl of the. the of the priest, you know? Yeah. And so that was kind of super interesting. I was like, what, what's the reasoning behind that? What's the, what's the, the story behind that, right? Yeah, that part weird to me, actually. It was a little weird, right? And so it was kind of like, just, just wider, right? But yeah, I think that's also kind of what I wanted to add in terms of the pictures when I was here, when I was hearing, y'all talk. Yep. And another thing, one last thing on my end,

like I like how every time whatever demonic presence is moving through the town, it's like a different story. Right. You had the story with the priest. Then you had the story with the people in the water tower. Then you had the story of the guy that had the shotgun that was just outside this. I think he's the first victim, the one outside the city of the town. So it almost in your brain, you're creating all these stories of all what happened that night. And all these mini stories as all these people are getting killed, you know, what's going on.

Because in some pictures, it seems like they. turn on each other, right? There's that scene where the priest is getting, like, you can see the hand and it's trying to take them into the wall. And then in another picture, you have like demonic eyes. Like, are these people turning into demons? You don't really know, and that's why it's so creepy.

You know what, Pedro? The more I'm thinking about it, as much Stephen King as I've read, this is very Stephen King. Yeah. This is like Salem's lot, or under the dome, or like, you know, a town that's assaulted with, like, these creatures. or whatever it is.

So, yeah, I think there was a lot of influence there. Now that you guys mention it, I really see that. I feel this same vibe in a lot of his stories that I read, for sure. Yeah, like the mist, right? The mist with all those features. There you go, man. Yeah. That's a big king thing right there, you know?

This movie also reminded me of the Bay as well, right? I think it's got the same type of vibe of the Bay. Okay. It also works as the Machia. Have you guys seen the Bay? The Bay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've talked about the Bay. I think, Brian, I think we reviewed it.

We did a commentary. We did a commentary. Okay, there you go. Yeah, no, that's another great movie that uses this format. That also works. But also John Carpenter's the fog. Yeah, that's another one. So, you know, it works.

It works. It's a tournament-tested method of creating films. All right. Scores. Norelden, what do you think? I give this a game. Again, an eight scary Polaroid, eight scary Polaroids out of 10. All right.

Shake it like a Polaroid picture. I give this seven and a half on 10. That was a really good movie. All right. Brian? I'm a given an eight. A great first time watch. I just like the whole mockumentary style of filming.

Like I said, the acting and the way it was filmed. and just made me feel like I was watching something real. All right, Lance? Yeah, good, good seven. Good solid seven, man. I really thought I was watching a documentary. And when you can pull that off with, I'm sure they had a very limited budget.

So when you can pull it off with that small of a budget, and, you know, like you guys said, some of the acting maybe over the top, I didn't catch on that as much as just like the overall storyline. And I love the way they filmed it. So it was definitely an enjoyable watch. I'm going to be the low man on the totem blue here. I'm going to go, I still like it, though, six and a half.

I think it was a... That's still good, yeah. A pretty solid movie. That's only half a point more than Night swim, but that's all right. Night swim. Here we go. Here we go. All right, in our feel-good movie of the week, the 90s.

From 2018. This is the first time watch for me. I wish I were on yonder hill. We don't want no trouble. That's just the way, isn't it? You don't want trouble, but sometimes trouble wants you. It's there I'd sit and cry my film. Get me to the soldiers that came by this morning.

It's too dangerous. Up North, they kill us. You sure you wanna follow him? Every tear would turn a man They close What are you doing? Director and writer is Jennifer Kent Also known for the Babaduke

Jennifer Kent worked as an apprentice to Lars von Trier On the production of Dogville from 2003 She considered this to be her film school And that's all the trivia we got. Nereldin, what do you think about the Nightingale? Oh, the Nightingale? Oh, man, this movie was brutal. Oh, my God.

So I didn't really know what to expect coming into this film. I haven't watched it prior to my recommendation. I think I shared last week. I overheard the March Madness Elevated Horror podcast a while back ago. And Nightingale always stuck in my head. I'm like, this is something that I need to watch. So I figured, all right, it might be a good suggestion for my Patreon pick. And so I kind of went in blind, so I didn't know anything about this film.

And so as I'm watching it, it's just, it was super brutal. 20 minutes in. Oh, my God, dude. Speaking of those 20 minutes. So I'm watching it at home, right? My partner's doing like a whole bunch of dishes and everything, right, and kind of helping out around the house. I'm like, hey, I need to watch this film for this podcast I'm going to be a part of, right? And she's like, okay, fine, take your time.

Like, it's okay. Like, I got it, right? And so she ends up, like, asking me for help or something. And so I paused the film. And she kind of comes to the living room and I unpause it. And it's the scene where there's just a dead baby on the ground. And I'm like, she looks at me and she's like, what the hell are you watching? And I'm like, I swear, I swear, this is not the main point of this movie.

There's more to this. Like, please, please overlook what you just saw. And she was like, oh, my God, anyway. So she kind of just turned around. And so she walked in at the worst possible time for this film. But I think the Nightingale was a really good film and a really powerful story in terms of like the brutality that is colonization, right? Whether it's in Australia or for a lot of indigenous folks throughout the world,

I didn't know that coming in. And the more I watched it, the more I kind of really appreciated the humanity that was trying to be conveyed during times of severe oppression that was like colonial Australia, right? Right. Or the colonization of Australia. And so at first, I really felt for the lead actress, I don't know, I forget their name right now, but I really was kind of like on their side. right like yes yes get revenge on this school because what was the name of the of the of the movie or like the actor hawkins hawkins hawkins is probably the person that i've hated the most in any

film i've ever seen he had real heel heat with me i'm like this guy is a piece of shit i hate him so much i hope he dies in a very slow his own guys didn't kill him oh my god i hated him so much i've never I've never had this emotion towards a character. And I think that's a good thing, right? And so props to him because he did a good job of kind of conveying that, right? He had a job and he did it. Kind of like Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Yeah.

Exactly. Yes, yes, very similar sentiment. And so I'm watching this. I'm on her side, right? Of like, all right, get revenge on the people that have killed your family, right? And so as the story progressed, right, there's a whole different layer of like Aboriginal folks kind of being the guides for their land, right? Because again, it's their land. They were there since time in Memorial. They know the ins and outs. And so they've

been exploited to kind of just be guys. And then she's pointing a rifle him, you know, at him and calling him boy. Yes. Layer upon layer, right? Exactly. Thank you for pointing that out. That's exactly what I was feeling, right? So I was on her side and then that kind of, okay, then that extra layer of kind of prejudice comes out, right? Where it's kind of that classism that exists within a lot of social kind of caste systems. It's kind of like a caste system hierarchies, right, that have existed within colonization. And so that kind of came out and it reared its ugly head. And so I was kind of conflicted as well.

But as the story progressed, right, their humanity kind of really came out. I think a scene that really broke me. And I hate using that term, but it just naturally came out was, like when the mom was lactating because she had she her body still thinks that she needs to feed a baby

and the baby is dead and that was super powerful I was like oh fuck I'm glad my partner didn't walk in during that scene she was like what the fuck are you watching? Yeah pretty rough yeah

and so all in all I really appreciated the ending of the story where it was kind of it was like a bittersweet ending right because Blackbird

My boy Blackbird, love that dude. That dude was fucking awesome. I loved him. Blackburn found out that all of his people are dead. He is the last of his people, and that's a horrible fucking feeling, right? But he did get his comeuppance, right? He was able to kill the people, some of the people that are the main cause for the death of his entire community, of his people. But it came out of cost, right?

I don't know if he lived or he died, but at the end of the day, he died with a big middle finger to the person that was immediately oppressing. It was like a big fuck you. I survived. She survived. The people that you hated are still here. And this was just the story of surviving. So it was real life horror, right? I kind of thought it was going to be a little bit more of a boost scare, especially since the director, Jennifer Kent, they directed Bada Duke.

So I was expecting a little bit of a boot scare, but it was something a lot more intense than kind of that. And I really appreciated it. And so it was a great film. And that's my piece. I want to hear from everyone else. Yeah, I didn't, by the way, this film is pretty long, right? It's like two hours.

But Terrifier 2 is 25 minutes longer than this film. I just want to put that out there because that's how long that fucking movie is. Just a point of that. Yeah. Yeah. But I saw when it came out and it left a big impression on me as it should, you know. And I agree with everything you said, Norel, and everything. One of the things that I wanted to add was that it also brings up this conversation of revenge because even at the end, you don't really see her getting the piece that she thought she was going to get, you know? It got very muddled, didn't it?

Yeah, because I think, not to interrupt you, Pedro, but I think. I think the first guy she kills she takes out, doesn't she, he like haunts her in her dreams for what she did. And she really took him out. And he was kind of the, he was the tool. He wasn't even like the main driving force, you know. But he also hurt her baby, so I don't think I would go too bad about that one. Very true.

Yeah. But I think the lesson is that we, even though it's harder, it's a longer road. Practicing forgiveness is going to get you further than killing somebody who has hurt you because then you have to still carry that demon for the rest of your life, you know? And so it's very easy for us to say, if somebody hurt my baby, I would kill them and this and that. But it doesn't really bring you peace because you still have to carry those wounds for the rest of your life. You know, whereas...

Well, try telling them that to John Wick, right? That way. I feel like liberating yourself is through forgiveness, not only for that person, but more importantly, for yourself. Right. You know? And we see that in this film where it's like how much going forward,

she's still going to be haunted by what she experienced. And now there's going to be that guilt as well because she killed people along the way. So it almost makes it worse in a lot of ways. So that was a good message that I took from the film as well. That's deep, man. And also just this idea of understanding people and their worldviews because I think a lot of times we forget that, right? And, you know, first we're with her on this journey and then we see her being very oppressive, right?

With the shotgun. And then so to me it's like, where does it end? What is never going to end? Because that's how prejudice thought works. So instead of like fighting it with prejudice with prejudice, you want to just try to understand someone where they come from, right? Well, what is their motivation? If you have generations of people telling you, well, this race is better than the other, you're going to carry that. And if nobody ever stays back and tries to understand that from you, it's going to lead to conflict.

So I think that's another message of this movie is that instead of just fighting hate with hate, you've got to sit back and try to understand that person as much as possible. Now, not the, what was his name again, Hawkins? That guy was just a complete psychopath. And he had no redeeming qualities. That's a whole different thing. and he was a character for the movie, et cetera. But in general, people are always the shade of gray.

You know, nobody... Most people are not all evil or all good. We all have shades of gray, and we're all reflection of our worldview and how we were brought up. So trying to understand that is going to lead to peace instead of trying to always fight that, you know? And this movie really, really showed it.

So that's one of the things that I like about it. But it was very dark, man. Norelda, what the hell is wrong with you, man? You almost ruined my day, watched this. Or thinking about this film. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Almost for my own day, too.

Brian? Nareldin, this is a movie. I told myself I would never watch it again after the first time, but for you, I re-watched it. Great movie, but man is not the feel-good movie of the year of what year in 2018. This isn't Deadpool versus Wolverine, huh? No, it's not. And again, like, are you at? I asked her. I asked the same question. What is wrong with what is their name? The director. Jennifer. Jennifer Kenney. What is wrong with you? After the Babadook and this.

But with that being said, this told a phenomenal story. I agree with everything around in Pedro said. Billy was Blackbird? probably my favorite character I went through ups and downs with Claire Nightingale throughout the movie Hawkins is the biggest piece of shit I've seen in a movie this movie

kicked you in the nuts the first 20 minutes of the movie like I brought up with rape and murder murder of an infant baby just horrible things happen in this movie and you just go on this roller coaster or a ride and great movie

enraged during that scene man like I and not the fact that he two people would have been able to hold me down I promise you not the fact that he did it himself the fact that he told somebody else to do it

and they did yeah I was just like what the fuck am I watching sorry to I think in that same scene I think when I was watching I'm like they're not going to do this

they're not going to you're not going to do what I think they're going to do. And then they fucking did. questionable. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of uncomfortable, tough things that we're in this movie that we don't get a lot of this on our show because it's rape and stuff that happens to children is just makes me uncomfortable.

That's why we'll probably never review a Serbian film and stuff like that. Right. It just makes me uncomfortable. But the movie itself was, I think, a better film than the Babadoubadoop, honestly. Yeah. And if you were to ask Jennifer Ken, she would say, like, that's the point of the movie to make you uncomfortable. Yeah. And so, mission accomplished.

Yeah. But, yeah, I think it's a better film than the Babadook. I think she's grown as a filmmaker. And I can't pronounce her name, but Asling for, for, for. for Chosie Clayclare Yeah, great Great performance

And I'm not even sure If I've seen her And anything else I don't even think This movie was really talked about And I watched a couple videos on it And they brought up a good point

Like performances like this And something like What's her name from Hereditary? Tony Collette? Yeah, Tony Collette Like it's just shocking that stuff like this doesn't get noticed when it comes to awards and stuff like that. I know.

So, great movie, but Norel then I probably will watch it for a third time. You're done, huh? A Serbian film is one that I haven't ever watched. I've always sort of wanted to because everybody says how awful it is, but I probably don't. Lance, what do you think? you have a lot of bird imagery in this. So the movie is called the Nightingale, and she's the Nightingale, because what is it about Nightingale?

Is they seen during the night or something like that, like to be free? Or I don't know, there's some kind of weird backstory about a Nightingale, but then you got, you know, our main man, he's the blackbird. He's just like, you know, out flying free. Nobody can kind of cage him or keep him down. and then you got, I didn't even think about it. He said the guy's name is Hawkins, so that's like a hawk, you know, right? Like a super aggressive bird, right,

that hunts other birds and stuff like that. There's a lot of imagery here. I don't know. I don't know how much of that was intentional. I'm guessing some of it was, you know? But there's not too much that I really need to say about the movie that you guys haven't already talked about because I thought it was going to be a straight

rape revenge movie where we were going to get to see her like chop his head off or kill him with a death of a thousand cuts. Or his winner as I've seen in other movies. Oh, would have loved to have seen that, made him eat it. You know, or made one of his men eat it.

That would have been great, right? Awesome. And all kinds of blood. But it's almost kind of like the ending was more satisfying because it is so shady, right? right you know and then everybody's trying to be free and be their own person and that's kind of where the the bird motif comes in i guess i don't know it's hard for me to talk about this movie just because it left me so uncomfortable and i really didn't want to see it again nereldon i really didn't man yeah real quick that that last one of the last scenes in the movie just the fact that she

tries to confront him in front of his fellow officers and accuses him be a mass murder and rapist and nobody cares how they couldn't care less they're all men I'm not going to say too much yeah but again we've seen that play out throughout history like that's what like what that's what

Nazi Germany was right I mean everybody was following the hierarchy that was established for them and you just didn't you don't ask questions you just follow orders and and there was a lot of research done on that over the years because of Nazi Germany. Lots of tools, right? Yeah, and so a lot of these people, when they're under a command, they're just going to follow orders

because that's their job. You don't question your job. What would you do? It's either that or they're going to hurt you or your family, right? I don't know. Right. It's a mentality, man. People do that. They had an experiment where it was like they invited like one guy into a room and everybody else was actors and they were all like standing up instead of sitting down in the seats. And so he just stood up to and then one by one they started replacing all the actors until it was all just regular people and nobody would sit down

because everybody was just standing up when they got there. I just crowd think it's weird. Yeah that crowd think is fucking weird right this is a strange movie it's it's tough for me to talk about it. I gotta be honest

with you man it's just kind of it does make you uncomfortable and it's definitely some good acting. So, Lance, if you're not going to break down. No, but if you're not comfortable talking about the subject, what did you think about the cinematography, the film, like the actual filmmaking, did you like that? Did you like that? Is that something that you appreciated?

I think it's gorgeous, man. I mean, in the way that they, you know, they filmed in areas that are probably still to this day, don't have a whole lot of people in them. you know, a lot of wide open spaces. And it was kind of, it was kind of interesting to see everybody she came across. Everybody that her and Billy came across, they also had their own level of desperation, right? It's like they weren't necessarily evil.

They were just like, this is what we have to do to survive. And it's kind of like, the world used to be a really brutal place. I mean, it still is in some parts, but, you know. It ain't like what it used to be, though. Yeah. right i mean we've come a long way yes but even even though we've come a long way you know it it probably wouldn't hurt to work together and and come a lot further so right nasty brutish and short who was it that said life is nasty brutish and short it was like a big quote that i remember

but i can't remember who said it i think it i think it was a dude that a dude that wrote like um historical books in the 1800s or something like that. Yeah, it's a rough movie, man. It's kind of hard for me to talk about it. Yeah, man, rape scenes are always super uncomfortable in the movies, especially when like it goes on for just a little bit too long. And this one had a couple of those. It was pretty rough to watch,

but it also invoked a lot of emotion, like, and especially at the, that first in the beginning, like, rage. And I thought it was a pretty beautifully done movie. I mean, like, just in general, the movie was really good. I, and it sort of worked because it was during, like, a colonization period. Even though I don't usually go for the political message movies, this one was, it was, At least with the setting and just showing how brutal this. Can you imagine what Australia must have been like before anybody was there? I mean, it's like fucking Jurassic Park.

That place is insane. It's like prehistoric time. Kind of like Florida, Philip. With all the fucking alligators and shit. Gators everywhere and bugs. Yeah. It's crazy. But yeah, yeah, really, really beautifully done movie.

a little uncomfortable to watch, but it was it was worth watching, for sure. She hasn't worked since then, though, so I don't know, maybe, because the movie flopped. It was a big flop, you know, for what it cost and what it made. Yeah, it didn't really make a lot of money back.

But she's only had two movies, and what was interesting about her is that when the Babadu came out, like, she had so many options. You know, she was flooded with scripts and ideas, and she decided to do this, which was her own idea. Wow. And then she hasn't done anything. And this came on in 2018, so it was a while ago, and she never did anything after this.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking she did an episode in Guillermo Del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosity. Cabinette of Curiosities, that's right. That's the only thing she's done. Didn't she do the one where they were like all sitting around having dinner and they were tripping on acid or something like that? I haven't seen the whole season. No, that was the kind of bad. He did that.

You're right. Yeah, that was the Mandy. The episode was called the memory. Yeah. And it had to do with birds too, right? Like it had to do the one she did in Cabinet of Curalities. Weren't they both bird watchers? Did that one have Andrew Lincoln in it? It had Andrew Lincoln in there, right?

Yeah, yeah. And everything goes back to the Walking Dead with you, dude. I mean, I was just surprised because the guy has made so much money with the Walking Dead. He rarely He showed up in this. I remember. And, you know, I did have birds.

It did have birds. All right. Scores? Nareldam, what do you think? I'd give this film a nine blackbirds out of ten. All right.

All right. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to go with an eight on ten. I think, I don't know, man. It's very uncomfortable. It's a hard movie to watch. I try to always

add some, I mean, entertainment, escapism to my ratings, and this is neither. I mean, it is entertaining. Yeah. Not much levity to find here, is there? Yeah, so, so, I'm going to go eight on. No, no, no, David

Allen Greer cameo. Yeah, no David Allen Greer throwing like sissy punches. None of that. Brian? Cinematography was great. Acting was solid. The storytelling was solid. I think I'm at eight and a

half. If her she was set out to make somebody uncomfortable and make them think then she did the job. And kind of, like I said, it's kind of shocking that nobody

got really bigger roles or moved on to bigger pictures after this movie. 8 on 10 man 8 on 10 This was my favorite of the three I'm going to give it an 8 and a half I think it was just a really well done movie

A rough watch But it was a well done movie All right On that note We want to thank you guys for listening to another episode The Horror Returns You guys know where to find us Pedro thanks for joining

Nareldin Thanks for the movies man Thank you for having me. And next week, we're going to check out some M-night territory, Pedro. How's it going to go? Is it going to be shitty M-night, or is it going to be good M-night? Well, he refused to screen this movie for the critics, so it's not going to get any... Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. But he did say, this is what he said. He said it wasn't because it sucks. Usually when they don't screen the films, it means that the studio knows it sucks. He said there's a big twist in this movie. And so that's the reason. why he's not going to screen it for the critics. So we'll see.

Okay. Okay. I don't see what. Because I thought, I mean, I think all of us thought with the first trailer of Trap, I thought it was going to be obviously he's the killer, right? But then the second trailer revealed that. So that's no longer a mystery. I know. I know.

What's going to be the twist? What could be the twist? I mean, it doesn't be forced to do it? It doesn't necessarily mean that he's the killer. he looks for evil and so there's some there's some wild fan theories i've heard maybe he's protecting the daughter there's one that connects to one of his other maybe the killer's the one he's got tied up i hope this is the old m knife i hope you guys are right i hope you guys are right so we're going to check out trap as well as uh stage fright what is that

Brian? It's a movie. Okay. Is that the Michelle Suave stage fright from 88 or is that the remake? 87. 87, yeah. Okay. That's another good movie. You guys are going to like it. I like that movie a lot. All right. Cool. So Pedro

until the horror returns again. Good night.