The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #432: Tau (2018) & AfrAId (2024)

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

AI runs amok this week at THR, as we check out the brand new AfrAId as well as 2018's Netflix original, Tau. Cool of the Week includes Chaos, Twisters, and Blink Twice. Trailers are Alien: Earth, Smile 2, and Terrifier 3. The podcast spotlight shines on Halloween is Forever. And we get feedback from Al Ramseur, Amante Bee, Jon Smith, Sissy LaMaire, Bryan Wolfe, Roman Cuba, Kenshin Homura, Niels Christiansen, and Bailey Giannini. AND WE GET A BRAND 5 STAR APPLE PODCAST REVIEW FROM HYDRABERG!!! Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All to the horror returns, I'm Lance.

With me as always, we've got Brian and Phillip. What's up, guys? What's up? How goes it? It's a going. It's a going. What did Brian say? It's a same day, different day on the calendar, or something like that.

Same shit. Nothing changes but the date. We're post-holiday, man. Nothing changes but change. I haven't worked in a couple of days, which is fantastic. Yeah, I almost forgot yesterday it was Labor Day.

Because my daughter was like, oh, I got school. I was like, what do you mean you got school? She was like, nobody goes to school on Labor Day, and I was like, got a point there. Yeah, it was nice to have an extra day off work. That's for, that's for sure.

We're back, and it's Tuesday, our usual recording time, and maybe I'll actually be able to edit tomorrow. That would be good. Keep the shows going up on time for a change. And this week I'll try not to spoil the entire fucking movie. You guys need to grab my arm and pull me back if you start seeing me run off, dive off the cliff, all right? we'll do

we'll do the best we can Lance you're not the most controllable person okay below that note Phillip what's your cool of the week what is my cool of the week all right I've actually got a couple of this week

and I was in the middle of trying to work on some other shit but I'm going to start it let's go I watched a like a crime thriller with Morgan Freeman in it. I'm trying to pull up the name of the movie.

Is it new? It is new. The ritual killer. I've seen this poster. He's like front and center on the poster with somebody else. Yeah, they make it look very 90s crime thriller. It's really fucking bad.

Like the acting is awful and it's got not good. Cole Houser. I remember him. Yeah, the dude from Yellowstone. Yes. Not John Pavro. Son of Wings, Hauser.

Is he? That makes sense. Those are the only two people in the movie that you've ever seen in your life. And everybody else is awful. Like acting wise, it's bad. So Morgan's just collecting a paycheck. Yeah. I mean, what is he fucking 90 years old? He's God, man. He'll live forever.

But, you know, I mean, you know, crime filler, it wasn't as bad as I maybe made it out to be, but it wasn't good either. You're not selling it. You're definitely not selling it. I kind of don't need to be selling it. The other movie that I watched was the deliverance, which is a new one on... No, not deliverance. The Deliverance. What's his name? Lee Butler. Is that who's in it? No, the director. He directed like the Butler, Precious. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a pretty big name director. He's done a lot of stuff.

I probably just said his name wrong. That's probably why. Lee, yeah, it's Lee something. God damn it. People are yelling at us. I know what you're talking about, though. It's on Netflix, right, Phil? Yeah, it's on Netflix. It just came out. It's got Glenn Close and, what is that girl's name? Andre Day, who I guess is a musical.

I don't, I'm not super familiar with her, but I, like, I saw her and I'm like, oh, I think I've seen her before. There was a lot of people on the cast where I wasn't familiar by name, but I've seen them before. Yeah. The kid from Stranger Things, he's in it. Lee Daniels. Yeah. Lee Daniels.

Yes. Lee Daniels. That name's very familiar. Uh, but yeah, that one was pretty good. Okay. And then like the third act is when all the, it's like a demonic possession in the hood. What? But like that third act is, is when it kind of falls.

Like the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, The special effects are not good. And they don't use a lot of it in the setup of the movie, and it's going pretty good. But then, like, when the demon comes out, you're like, oh, my God. Like, is this fucking 1992? What are we doing? Oh, no. Yeah, this got a theatrical release, like, a couple weeks ago before we were on Netflix.

Yeah. Oh, wow. It wasn't a bad movie. movie like I like if if if you can set aside the special effects it was actually pretty good the ending was a little cheesy but uh like the special effects were just really bad like it was the you know uh kids face turning into a demon but it like stretches out and turns into this weird computer animated thing and it doesn't make any sense it's like wow dude what how much money did you spend on this like a pretty sure I can do better than that, and I don't know anything about it. That's true. That's right. But, uh, okay, so my real cool Louieco is a book that I'm reading. Here we go. Okay. It's called chaos. Um, damn it, I meant to have it with the,

like the Jeff Goldblum show? Um, no, it's, it is a, uh, god damn it. I can't remember the guy's name, but he, uh, he is an investigative journalist. God, Fucking damn it, the dogs are barking. Anyway, he's an investigative journalist, and he was tasked to do a piece on the 30-year anniversary of the Manson murders in, like, 1999, right? Oh, wow. And so he gets into it and is trying to find sort of a new angle to these murders and interviewing all of these people who were connected to it that are still alive and goes down. rabbit hole. And none of the things that you know about the Manson murders are true except the way the actual

killings happened. But like the motivation is total bullshit. And it turns out Manson, I haven't gotten that far into the book yet. Like he's gone past the Manson murders and he's just starting to investigate government programs at the time. but it involves MK Ultra heavily. Of course. So Manson may have been a Manchurian candidate who was meant to kill on command.

Jesus Christ. I'm saying. And it's insane. So I haven't gotten all the way to that part yet. But he's just starting into the CIA and FBI ops. They were happening at the same time in L.A. as that murder. And like, it was like three months before they ever captured Manson. And he had been arrested 20 times in that time period. And they kept letting him go, which they would typically do

with a government informant or a government asset. Hmm. Something to that, for sure. Yeah. Weird shit. So he went. Like, maybe they were trying to start something at the point that I'm at his angle is maybe they were trying to start something with the black panthers because i don't know if you remember okay with uh helter-skelter or whatever he was trying to start some sort of race war or something okay so that may have been part of it and they were like using him to start this war with the black panthers so i don't know where it goes from there i haven't i haven't gotten that

far yet. Sounds like it backfired. Uh, yeah. Well, as most government things do. Sounds interesting. It does sound interesting. Where was this homeless hippie getting all of the LSD from? Well. Oh. Maybe the government was giving it to him. Oh, man. So it's chaos. Oh, here it is chaos book.

Popped right up. This is a big. Big, ah, Charles Manson, the CIA in the secret history of the 60s. Yes. Dude. Fantastic. I might have to read this. And it's a long book, but I'm about halfway through it, and it is an easy read. Like, the more stuff that you find out, the more stuff you're like, oh, my God.

We don't know anything. Holy shit. Brian, we may have to check this out. I'm telling you. Yeah, like I said, sounds interesting. Yeah, it's very cool. Oh, wow. And that's what I got.

Got all five-star reviews on Goodread, so you're not the only one who loves it. Yeah, well, I mean, he breaks it down with, like, facts and interviews. Like, he follows his whole investigative process through all of the interviews with everybody known in the whole Manson process and ends up back at this central guy who was involved in this Manson investigation whose name is not. very well known. Turns out he's CIA. Of course. And then it sort of leads on from there. Actually, there's quite a few characters that have been reported to have been government

agents at some point. Very interesting. And it wasn't just the tape murders. It killed a bunch of people. Wow. How can you follow up? How can you follow that up, Brian? Come on, man.

I'll try. Let's see. I checked out two movies this week. One, we've heard a lot from some feedback, and that is the To Be Original Low Life's. Yep, a lot of people loving this one. Okay. To be original. Look at that.

Yeah, pretty fucking fun movie. Not what I expected. I can't really go into details, because. Because you think the movie's going a certain direction, and then within like five, ten minutes in the beginning, it quickly changes into something else. Is it like a comedy? There's some humor in it. I wouldn't call it a horror comedy. Call it more horror thriller with a little bit of comedic elements in there.

Okay. But for a to be original. know like they knocked it out the park with this one hey not bad man i you know what dude anything that's going to raise tubi's credit i'm i'm down for they've got a lot of stuff and it's free this is like what internet tv was supposed to look like yeah i know i don't mind this all access i don't mind a few commercials here and there oh fucking apple apple tv plus going from 69 a year to 99 a year ouch yeah that's a big jump well still better than cable but once you start adding everything.

True. Yeah. Hopefully one day, though, kind of consolidate all these apps into one package or something. Yeah. Or you can pick and choose which ones you want into one package.

I think that would be a good deal. Well, which is what we always said about cable. Mm-hmm. Like, why can I just pick and choose the channels? Exactly. I'm paying for 194 channels. I use six of them.

Yeah. You scroll through 189 channels a bullshit to get to like the one you want to see right? Let's see, but my cool of the week is twisters. Twisters. Not there, though? Yeah. Super fun. Yeah.

The cast was great. A lot of callbacks to the original one. And man, I keep saying that Glenn Powell needs to be a superhero. Oh, for sure. Or a villain. Yeah, he wants, he wants, I just read he wants to be a superhero. He said he's never been called by DC or Marvel. He's never got a phone call.

Well, I mean, he's, he's sort of just hitting the scene, though. I mean, he hadn't been a ton of shit. True, true. But he kind of kills it and everything that he's in, even the romantic comedy bullshit. Yeah. I still say he should have, he should have been Johnny Storm and a new Fantastic Four. I could have seen that. Just off of that, off of his top gun roll.

Because he kind of had that cocky. Easy. But everybody was great and the effects were great. I really wish I seen this in the theater because this looked like it would have just been awesome to see on the big screen. Yeah, I miss this in the theater too, man. So, yeah, recommend them both, but my cool of the week has to be Twisters because I had a lot of fun with it.

Nice. All right. So, two good ones this week, Brian, it sounds like. Yep. All right. Well, you didn't want to give too much away about low lives. I'll try not to go full crow with the one I'm going to talk about now because I don't want to get anything away. But we watched this trailer, the Zoe Kravitz movie, Blinked Twice.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Have you heard anything at all about it? Nothing but great reviews about it. Go and blind is all I can say. Because the trailer didn't give too much away. And all right, so the first 10 minutes, I'll go into just that as the setup. So you got these two ladies that are, you know, they kind of like work for a catering company.

And they meet this billionaire, right? They're doing a lot. I guess they're like serving cocktails and doing the catering for this billionaire, played by Channing Tatum. Or is it Tanning Tatum? Did I get it right? Did I get it backwards? According to Danny McBride is Tanning Tatum. Chait Y'all.

Okay. Danny Chate Yom then. All right. Gotcha. Well, they thought he was yummy. That's for sure. Because they flew off to a

fucking island with him, private island. So, after that, I don't want to give anything away, but just, let's just say the less you know about this movie,

the better. And it's, it's a great cast. I kind of got, like, when they got, when they got to the island, of course,

I sort of got vibes of, um, uh, glass onion, you know, because you had the, the super rich person,

with the island and the cast of characters that show up. But really, I've got a super strong mid-sumar vibe. Like, they're at this place, and there's no way to get out, and they don't have any way to communicate, and weird shit starts going down. I'll recommend this one. Check this out. I'm kind of upset we didn't review this for the podcast,

but this would have been a good one to talk about, but it would have been like five minutes of talking, and then you guys would have had to reel me. back or mute me. So I didn't spoil anything because, again, I can't, I can't stress enough. The less you know, the better on this one. All right. Great ensemble cast, check it out.

Yeah, that was my other option, except that we were watching this movie. Because that would have been the one we went to see. It'll be on the list, man. Everybody's going to want to check it out. All right, Brian, we got any news to talk about this week? Yeah. Netflix is starting to release release dates for their upcoming horror slate of movies for October. All right.

The first one here we got a release date for is Women of the Hour, directed by Anna Kendrick and starring Anna Kendrick. And it's based on the, what was it called, the dating game killer, that guy. A real thing? Yeah. Okay. So that gets a release date of October 18th. Hmm.

Oh, wow. This looks interesting. Okay. I think it's her directorial debut. I'm not 100% sure. All right. I always love Anna Kendrick, so we'll see how it goes. Yeah, she's fun.

Yeah. Especially when she does the cup, the cup music. I've never seen that movie. You're not missing much. Oh, dude, the pitch,berg movies are kind of great. They're my wife's favorite movies. I love them. I'm not a big musical guy.

Have at it. But especially the first one, great movie. Let's see. Don't Move. Netflix's Don't Move. Gets in October 25th release date. I have no idea what this one's about. Don't move.

Is it a sequel to Don't Breathe? I have no idea. Okay. Let's see. Time cut will be on Netflix, October 30th. I think this is another time travel slasher movie. Okay. How's that work?

I want to compare it to the one that came out last year. What was that, Totally Killer? Yes, totally killer. I want the Slasher to be Traveler. through time. Maybe that's what this one is. I don't know. This looks like a carbon copy of that movie, Brian, just in a different year. I hate to say it. I'm reading the description. Boy, we shall see.

He's like some fundamentalists going back through time to destroy these certain people or something, right? That would be great. Let's see here. Alien Romulus just became. the highest grossing horror movie of the year. Nice. Oh, look out. Wolf Creek director, Greg McLean, is set to direct a new horror movie called The First Exorcist.

I thought we already had this. Or was that the last Exorcist? The last Exorcist. This is the first Exorcist. I don't think it has anything to do with that movie. Does it have anything to do with the Exorcist movies? No. It's just a religious horror film that he's directing.

Okay, the first exorcist. Sounds terrible. I'm trying to think in my mind, where would that go to? I mean, because it'd have to be like the beginning of time. Cave man exorcist. Yeah. Well, speaking of Wolf Creek, you guys, do you guys like? the movies, the Wolf Creek movies.

Yeah, those are the Australian ones, right? Yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen him. Yeah, it's the one crazy dude, the country guy. Yeah, I've only seen the first one. Oh, it's like shooting everybody? Like backpackers

get lost in the outback and they meet him and he's basically hunting them for fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Well, they're making a new one called Wolf Creek Legacy Okay. Greg McLean's not directing this one,

but the actor that plays the main character in it, the main killer, he's coming back for it. It has quite a following, I think. Yeah, I know. What is there, like, two or three movies and I think a TV series? I think so, yeah. TV series sounds right. Are you guys familiar with the video games,

Alan Wake and Control? somewhat not a big gamer Philip you're more of a gamer I know but I know I don't know what these are the only one I know is Alan Wake I know that's a big horror game well they're both getting

either a film or TV series adaptation I don't know which one's getting the film and which one's getting TV or if they're getting both and not a lot of news here but we'll end on the next Predator movie Badlands has begun production

I thought it was already filmed New And so that one's supposed to be like a sequel to pray It's not a sequel Dan Tractenberg is doing pray too But this is set at a different time period Oh okay Which I'm all fine for if it's as good as pray

Then do different time periods to do different areas. I'm okay with that. Yeah. We've talked about that before, right? The predator can show up here, there, and all different timelines and stuff. Yeah.

My wife is watching this like 1500s France thing, the serpent queen. Has heard of that that one? I think I've heard of that. The serpent queen. I mean, I want to say the costumes are so bad, but it's like, It looks like what they wore back then, according to the paintings, or whatever.

It could be legit then, huh? Historically accurate. But it's kind of goofy. Predator pops up in there, and those motherfuckers don't know what's going on. Powdered wigs and stuff like that. Yeah. It would be great. Civilist running rampant.

Jesus. I mean, that's a story to why they wear the powdered wigs, right? No. Yeah, syphilis. Never heard that story. Yeah, they start like losing their hair and stuff. And so the powdered wigs became the popular thing at the time among the upper class. The ones who could afford to know.

All right. The wrist left just walked around. Well, sorry, Brian. We'll just, we'll end horror headlines on powdered wigs and syphilis. Out of wigs and syphilis. Sounds like a TV series. All right. Brian, you ready to go on down to the trailer park?

Yeah. Why not? Okay. All right, man. Well, let's see if Brian can bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? The first one is a new series. We got a teaser, a very, very short teaser for A.

or Alien Earth, which when I was looking at it up, I found out that it's a prequel series set three decades before the events of the 1979 film. That makes no sense. That makes no sense. Oh, man, they got some splaining to do here. Yeah.

It's going to be interesting how they work this in. This is the showrunner, is Noah Hawley, who's done Legion and Fargo. Well, if anybody can do it. And it's a TV series, right? Yep, for on FX. Okay, cool. So I know if it's on FX,

they're not going to really hold anything back. Yeah, true. And the only one I recognize on the cast is Timothy Oliphon, which I like him a lot of, almost most things he's in. Yeah, he's pretty great. Doesn't seem like the right fit

for this particular one, but I'm not going to complain. Reserve judgment, but I mean, you got all the right people involved, so we'll see how it goes. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing really much to say about the teaser. It's just a quick glimpse of a xenomorph. That's it, Alien Earth. Yeah, it doesn't give you a whole lot to go on. Yeah, but I think we have some listener feedback on somebody that's awfully angry about it. Uh-oh.

Interesting. Uh-oh. I haven't read it yet. But that's how we work. We'll get to it. I think there was a couple things in there that I disagree with. But we'll get to it in feedback. Hmm.

No firm release date on this. I know it comes in 2025, and the series is already filmed, and it's in pre-not pre-production, post-production. So it sounds like it could be early. 2025. Okay. Dude, alien TV series? Let's do it. Yeah. Why not? Correct me if I'm wrong, Brian, but wasn't like after Alien, instead of aliens,

weren't they originally going to do a story where it came to Earth? Yeah, I think so. But that was, of course, after Ripley, and this is going to be before. So how did the crew not know? all right we'll see well this this might have ties into Prometheus and Alien Covenant

okay which you know the alien Romulus did and I don't think at least for me I wasn't even expecting those kind of tie-ins right there yeah they're definitely tying the universe together all right

our next one we talked about it before when we got the teaser but we got the official trailer for Smile 2 starring Naomi Scott and Parker Finn is back directing. Think you're right, Lance. I think they might have showed a little too much in here. Yeah, but I couldn't stop myself. I had to watch it. I had to watch it. I'm still digging the pop star angle with she's got all these people smiling at her and she doesn't know what's going on. and I think she's also a recovering addict,

so that could play into people not believe in her. Makes sense, yeah. But yeah, they sort of went with, hey, here's the twist. Yeah, sort of, but, you know. I trust Parker Finn, because I wasn't expecting much out of the first one, and that turned out to be really good.

That's true. I just, Brian, I just hope that the sound editing and soundtrack are as good as the first one. Oh, yeah, definitely. Those sounds and stuff you would hear, like, when they would be seeing the smiles and hallucinations and stuff like that was... Yeah. First thing I noticed when watching the original one in the theater. Well, so the older trailer, the one that's been around for a while that I've told you guys, I've probably seen, like, eight times at the theater.

Like, I was going around, I was humming that song today, so... I guess that means it was effective, right? The song that she's singing at the beginning of the trailer? Yeah, and they're marketing her. They're marketing her as a real singer. Like, the character has its own Instagram account and billboards. Oh, okay. Don't be surprised if we start seeing people at sporting events doing the smiley face.

Concerts, concerts this time. Taylor Swift concerts. Oh man, could you imagine? Scared the shit out of the 12-year-old girls? All right. Smile 2 hits theaters October 18th. And for our last trailer, we got the official trailer for Terrorifier 3. What's not to love? Yeah, I mean, there's not really much to say.

Not really. We get art to clown back. got Lauren Lavera back because she was the final girl the second one. They're continuing that story. Set during Christmas time. Yep. Got Chris Jericho in there. It's probably going to immediately die.

Well, probably. That'd be great. The only thing that kind of has me worried is I think I read that he, Damien Leon, the director is not fully doing the practical effects himself this time. he's got a special effects team working on it so if he's overseeing it then yeah fine with that but if he's kind of taking a back seat and letting another effects team handle it then I don't know how I feel about that because he was doing the practical effects himself in the first two movies you know what they should really start doing is uh Stephen Seagal like he needs to come back into films and then

just like pop into movies and die immediately. In Terrifier? No, well, yeah, if Jericho's doing it. I'm just saying. They should get some... Cannon Potter? Yeah, like Stephen Seagall, that should be his thing. He like pops up in movies and then dies immediately.

It would be hilarious. Jericho's a big horror fan, so it makes sense. Right. Yeah. Segal's a big fan of himself. And Russia. I think he's... I think he's officially retired.

Do you know he ran over a dog with a tank at one point? Yeah. Jesus Christ. He's got the most hilarious biography of anybody ever. I'll have to read it. You guys ever see that show where he was like the, he was like the sheriff or deputy or something? Yeah.

No, but I watched the, ah, god damn it. I can't remember the comedian that, did the bit on it. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I can't. He's one of Rogan's guys. I can't remember his name. I know exactly what you're talking about. Tom Seguer. Yeah, that show is hilarious. He has a whole bit. Look it up. Go right now. If you're listening to us, look up the Tom Seguera bit on Steven Seagal. It is the funniest thing I've ever seen. And that's really all he's talking about is Stephen Seagal being a cop in New Orleans, which is,

is a thing that happened. Yes, that's right. That's right. All right. Terror Fire 3 hits theaters. Not during Christmas time. Christmas comes early. October 11th.

Oh, hey Christmas comes early. All right. Just like in James Bond. Oh, that's right. I do you remember that now? The scientists, right? Who was the actor? The one that used to be married to Charlie Shears.

But the actress that was named Christmas was... She used to be married to Charlie Sheen. I can picture her. Yes. Wild things. I can see her face. I can't remember her name. Super hot.

Anyway. So that was it for trailers, right? Yep. Okay. Listener feedback. This week, we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on Halloween is forever. Pick a topic and listen to three mutant horror nerds rip each other's guts out on the way to deciding whose favorite flicks reigns supreme. It's like March madness every week.

Yeah, great description. Al Ramster says Lance is going off. He hates the new crow. enough sad enough sad let's see in regards to TCM the next generation

what's TCM Texas chainsaw massacre Texas chainsaw massacre the next generation Amante B says in the film White Oleander Renee Zellweger is an actress

that regrets starring in a low-budget film that's playing on TV and guess what it is? Very meta. I don't care what nobody says. The next generation is an entertaining film because it's so fucking wacky.

Yes. Matthew McConaughey with a limp, right? He's got a robotic brace controlled by a TV remote. That's a great movie, man. That'd be a good commentary. I haven't seen that one since it came out. That's been a while. It's been a while.

And they try to, like, connect the family to, like, a cult or something. And there's just so many, like, decisions in that movie are just like, why and where did that come from? But it just adds to the fun of the movie. Well, that sort of makes more sense. I mean, otherwise, just mountain, well, I guess not mountains. Just rednecks eating people. Maybe they were tied to The chaos book, pillow

Maybe they had LSD stuff Oh, the Unabomers is another one I think Matthew McConaughey's character in a movie is talking about like government stuff There you go Probably would be crazy shit. There you go Full circle

The Unabomber, no shit Was involved in some Stanford LSD trials and stuff which was some sort of government fucking MK Ultra bullshit weird stuff man their shit we may never know right if you look into it there's some stuff yeah the lone gunman is

rarely lone right oh yeah at this point if you think that that fucking Oswald was a lone gunman in JFK then I can't have a conversation with you I mean, I can, but you're not going to like it. Let's see.

In regards to Friday the 13th, the new beginning. John Smith says the underrated one, but I love it, especially some of the great kills. Wait a minute. John Smith? John Smith. Is this Zim Vader using an alias? I don't know. He spells a J-O-N. Man, I used to be in a band with a guy named John Smith.

in the seventh grade. Maybe it's that guy. Could very well be, actually. We didn't ever actually play anything. In regards to Scream 6, Sissy Lamar says, Love Them All. Hey, Sissy Lamar

is a big contributor to our Facebook page. Always comments and like stuff. Nice. She's a good one. She's coming up right now. in regards to Blade.

Cissy Lamar says it was a good one. The original, I hope. Not the one that we may never see. I know, right? I don't know how she would know that was a good one. Oh, true. Unless she has a time machine. She couldn't be talking about Blade the TV series with sticky fingers.

I enjoyed that, man. I had fun with that. Lance, don't make me break my rule about calling stuff garbage. Okay. Is it weird that spoiler alert and the Deadpool movie Blade is like, and I'm going to be the only motherfucking blade? No, that's, yeah, that's kind of an end-jewo. Like, what does that mean?

I know. I liked his cameo, but I don't want to see him. I kind of do. Oh, I do. I hate to say it. I kind of do. He's too old. That's true. Vampires.

And he looks tiny compared to what he used to be. True, but he still was, I think, badass in that movie. Like, I was, I didn't know he was popping up, and I loved it. I didn't mind if he was, I wouldn't mind if he was like the Whistler character. Yeah. I thought that was what they should have done, man. I thought that from the beginning. But then they'd have to get him to sign on for that.

It doesn't sound like he's a, let me take the back seat kind of person. secondary character. Well, he has endorsed Marshall Ali as Blade. He's gave him his blessing. So, I don't know. If we ever see it. How can you not?

I mean, he's kind of the perfect cast for it. It was 10 years ago. Yeah, I know. Seems like by the time he, they make that movie, he's going to be like Wesley's age. That's what I was thinking. In regards to the original crow,

Brian Wolf says the only crow that matters. It really is. Not the one with Edward Furlong? Edward Furlong did T2 and Detroit Rock City. That's it. I don't watch him in anything else. Detroit Rock City. That's a good movie.

You never seen it, Lance? No, I love it. I love it, dude. That's a super fun movie. It's kind of like a, what, many road trip movie, right? Because they're trying to get to the Kiss concert. And I didn't realize it. Dogs for quarters, man. Did you guys

know that Natasha Leon was in it? Speaking of poker face. Yeah, she's the disco chick. Yeah. There you go. Went down the rabbit hole a little bit with her career. She started in 85

in something and then she was in Peewee's Playhouse in 86. So, been around a while. I think the first thing I've seen her in was, what's that movie? The Slums of Beverly Hills. I remember that. one but I'm a cheerleader.

We're like, they went to a cheerleader camp and she fell in love with one of the girls. And I think you're a lesbian. I can't be a lesbian. I'm a cheerleader. Yeah, she's been around for a while. All right. In regards to Alien Earth. Here we go.

Here we go. Okay. Roman Cuba says, number one, it's all about Giger's alien. losing their magic, their fascination, their mysterious aura, and that's not exactly what will happen on Earth. Okay. Number two. I agree.

I agree. Number two, I don't want everything to be resolved. Certain things have to be left unclear. That's important for this franchise, but Disney isn't interested in that at all. Uh-oh, here we go. Yeah. The only thing that's relevant to the company is that the franchise is exploited to the maximum. tons of rubbish will come our way

and there will only be very little that can be welcomed. In Star Wars for example, the Mandalorian series. Now this is where I have a problem. The only thing Disney is done with aliens is Alien Romulus. And Alien Romulus is pretty good.

And the only thing they've done, because I think later he mentions the AVP movies. That wasn't Disney. that was Fox. And the only thing Disney's done with the Predator movies is Prey. Which was also good. So there's that.

We'll see. As long as they can keep their grubby production hands out of everything and let the directors do their job, I don't think we have a ton to worry about. I hate to say it, but I kind of want Ridley Scott

not to touch anything because he seems to like when I hear new cool ideas for Alien Friends, franchise. He always seems to put his weight into it and get it canceled. Well, and he's like 150 years old, right?

At least. Give or take. Whatever. Let him control it for the rest of his life. But I understand what you're saying for sure. Let's see. Kenshin Hamura says the second AVP movie sucked terrible writing.

The first one they kept those bad boys on Antarctica in the pyramid and they aren't canon so can't really be too mad at those movies there's been a lot a lot of time to figure out how to do an alien earth the right way so I have high expectations for it to be a good storyline that ties into the franchise to shed light on what is going on in earth during the entire timeline of alien and we can see it in alien too believe everyone operates on a giant space colonies and that's the closest we get to earth and they make it seem like earth is not

the place to be and i'd really like to know why that makes sense okay yeah that is true because in the movies everybody's just like earth this could be interesting then my mind is opened oh god no not aliens are on earth keep them in outer space where they belong Well, but they seemed very surprised by the whole things that were taking place during the first alien movie, right? It was a big shocker, right? Maybe everybody's abandoned Earth at this point. Maybe there was a nuclear war. You mean the crew?

Yeah. Well, if I remember the movie correctly, I think they didn't know what they were going to look at. I think the company or whatever, the Whaling Corporation had them alter their story. right but he had them alter their course to pick up samples and shit yeah i think they knew something but if they if he had them alter their course to pick up samples and shit which seemed at this point to be uh the the whole motivation was to like live forever you know wayland uh and and and some sort of like some somehow used their DNA to make humans the prime being it seems like if aliens were already on earth at that point

the only thing that concerns me is the timeline because if aliens were already on earth at that point then you don't need to send them out to a bunch of galaxies where you're mining fucking whatever to like grab these random alien life forms off of other planets true true if you if you've got a plethora of them on earth yeah i see what you're saying but we'll see yeah i'm sure they'll make it make sense i mean they can't fuck up the storyline that bad right well according to nez they messed up alien romulus with the position of the alien in space when they found them but how's that work the alien the alien that got blasted It's busted out of the spaceship.

Yeah. Nesden didn't like that it was so close to the wreckage. Well, I guess that makes sense. And I can buy that. But, like, I don't know. That's, like, okay, I can eat some plot points that maybe don't make sense. But if you're going to change the whole history of the fucking being itself, that's a problem. So we'll see what goes.

Yeah, we just have to wait and see. And Bailey Gianni says. in regards to Terrifier 2. Terrific special effects. I'm a huge fan of Damien Leone and the Terror Fier movies. For me, as a movie buff and a horror buff, the bloodier slash gorier the horror movies are, the better they are, and if they are done properly.

Okay. And that's Brian's concern, right, about part three. It definitely looks bigger budget, like from the trailer. It definitely looks like a bigger budget. That's to be expected, though. The more money the movies make, the bigger the sequels get. Yeah. Well, and hopefully the better, but we'll see how it goes.

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My jungle, love. All right, sorry. Morris Day in the motherfucking time. Man. I'm Morris Day, you're Jerome, bitch. All right, sorry. That's one of my favorite movies of all time. Uh, featured attractions.

Uh, let's see. AI runs amuck this week as we check out the brand new Afraid, but with AI capitalized, which makes more sense. I see what they did there. Yeah, it doesn't really work when you say it, but you get it. Uh, and, um, what is 1028s? Is that a production company? Uh, I want to say that's 2018. 2018's Tao

That makes more sense We were infiltrated by I was like I'm pretty sure that's something I can't function right now But we'll start with 2018's Tao What is this? Tau's one of the most advanced AIs in the world He's an early version of the project I'm working on

What do you want for me? I need you to complete the project And what if I say no? Then you're staying in my home will be brief and unpleasant. Do everything, Tao says. I have been instructed to inflict pain should you not comply with my commands. You will complete these tasks. It is time to begin.

No! T-A-U, it's on Netflix. Go check it out if you haven't seen it. A woman is held captive by a scientist in a futuristic smart house and hopes to escape by reasoning with the artificial intelligence that controls the house named Tau. Director is Federico

D'Alessandro, also known for artwork on bad boys, ride or die, and Captain Marvel. So is he said designer or production? I know. I guess so. Anyway,

writer is Noga Landau, also known for Star Trek Starfleet Academy TV series. How many Star Trek shows are there? I don't know. I've never even heard of that one. Plus the movies and the books and the video games. It's a way of life, Brian.

Alex's full name is Thomas Alexander Upton as shown on the framed magazine covers. The initial spell out towel. There you go. That makes more sense. The AI's main fault is that

It is missing human emotion just like Alex does. Interesting. But is it? We'll see. We'll see. Lance, what did you think about Tau? How much do you guys pay for Netflix a month? Nothing. I don't have Netflix.

Okay. All right. So I pay 25 bucks a month now, right? Jesus. I said, dude, I started, I started out with Netflix when they would mail, you know, DVDs to me. Like, and then you'd watch the DVDs. Back when they were starting streaming and there was nothing. It was like 20 things to choose for them on streaming. Yes.

When they murdered Blockbuster and hung its head from a pike. Wait, no, that doesn't make sense. But you know what I mean. Stuck its head on a pike. So, okay, so 25 bucks a month. But you know, we're. that 25 bucks a month goes, right? So you've got movies with stars like

The Rock and Ryan Reynolds and... Yeah, I mean, you've got serious shit going on, right? Like, super big budget movies like you used to go to the theater as an event, right? It's been two, 300 bucks, getting popcorn and treats for all the kids

and drinks and all that stuff. Two, 300 bucks. How many kids are you taking? I would take five kids and eight grandkids. I would share out of one popcorn bucket. But now we can just watch a Netflix movie. So what was this movie? You said 2018. What was that?

Six years ago? Or six years ago. Yeah. Okay. Well, that would change. I'm going to, I'm going to say that in the days when this movie was made, it was fairly obvious from the, well, not six years ago.

It wasn't that far back. But definitely, the special effects and the budget, as far as who was in this movie, weren't nearly what you get from Netflix now. You guys would agree to that, right? Philip, you got a visitor back there behind you sniffing around, man. Yeah, he's hanging out. So, to me, this movie was a little bit hindered because, you know, like the little robot character that came out, and then the Tao visuals,

and, you know, you had Micah Monroe and what was it, Gary? Olman's voice for Tao, I think, and then this other guy. Is that who that is? I think so. Oh, okay. So, yeah, yeah, not a huge budget movie. So it's going to come down to story then, right? I don't know, man.

This one was kind of far-fetched for me. Like, I thought it was just going to be, okay, so it showed the first scene, and I thought, okay, surely she's going to be like a small-time crook, and she's going to break into an AI house, and it's going to hold her captive. And I thought, okay, that's probably what's going to happen. But then all of a sudden people are coming in to kidnapping her, and then they're putting like a weird S&M mask on her. And then she's coming in contact with all these other people that are masked. And this one was a little out there for me, guys.

It's a movie. Well, and she's over there drawing. Do you want a biography or something? So why is she going to be teaching a artificial intelligence stuff using stick figure paintings? Well, she's not a professor. sir Lance she's a pit pick pocket

she even tells Tau she doesn't know everything about everything she said that more than once correct right she was like Tau asked he was like where did people come from

right she was like well Capeman right she went into a dissertation about caveman yeah yeah I don't know man not not that great to me but I want to say it was an entertaining hour and a half.

I don't feel like I want my time back, but I don't think I'll see it again. Really? Yeah. Okay. Brian, what did you think? I liked it. I thought Michael Monroe was great in it.

I like her. I think she's great in almost everything. The one movie I'd probably say, well, maybe it wasn't her fault, that Independence Day sequel, that they shouldn't have made. Oh, I know that I saw it, but I completely forgot about it. And I think that I'm better off that way.

Yeah. Okay. Keep it self-contained, huh? I thought Ed Screen, I think that guy is made to be a villain in everything he's in. Well, he was the bad guy in Deadpool. Yeah. A-tracks. Ah, that's who that was.

Okay. Yeah. All right. He has such a... Punchable face? A punchable. face. I thought he was perfect playing this character that just couldn't

connect with anybody emotionally. He was just he was almost like the AI. Yeah, I could see that. I like that trivia where it was connecting to two because they were pretty much the same thing. It's just that one was an actual person and one was

a program or whatever. I do agree what you, Lance did some of the effects are not great, but I know the budget wasn't really high for this one, so I can forgive that.

And I like where the story was going, because you would expect her to, you know, she's a pick pocket, you know, stealing from people. You would expect her to break into somewhere, but I thought it was a good swerve that, no,

she's actually being taken and put in this house. Yeah. So I like that. And I thought Gary Oldman, you know, did a good job playing this AI. It didn't click to me that that's who that was. That's really awesome. And, yeah, not too much I can say about it. You know, it's pretty much straightforward story.

You know, she's held captive being experimented on. And then he finds out that she's kind of a viable candidate for his experiment. She's basically the subject he's been looking for. Is that what it is? Yeah. I think so. I did think it was kind of interesting every time that the AI

served him food, it was like in cubes. It was like, what's up with that? It looked like pieces of sushi or something. I just thought it was rich shit. At least they're not serving in a fucking boot. Right. Like some weird ass top-end restaurant. That's right.

Even though the effects weren't that great, I did like the different kinds of techniques. Because we had Tao, the AI, and I think the robot or whatever was Ares, the security droids. That's right, Aries, yep. Then you had the little drones. Those were a neat effect when they're cleaning up the blood. Yeah, not a bad watch. This is my second time watching it. I still enjoy it. And I thought Michael Monroe is great in it.

And yeah. Yeah, I, I sort of expect her to go on to do some better things. Like, she's got this, I don't know. I mean, she was in, it follows. She was good in long legs, man. Oh, long legs, that's right. But, like, in this one in particular, she has this, like, thing where she's playing a little more sexy. and it kind of works.

She does have that scene where she tries to seduce him, but, you know, of course, he's a fucking weirdo. He's not having it, huh? Yeah. He's an in-cell who didn't need to be an in-sell. If he had just played along. Well, I imagine that dude is probably not an in-sell, but... Yeah, probably not with his bank account, right?

Yeah. but uh no i i i i actually really like this movie um and you know when i was thinking back on it because i i i watched it when it first came out and that was the only time i'd seen it until now and um your dog phillop is cracking me yeah there's a fucking rabbit back there and so he's messing with it but like that's that's actually what i thought happened like when i was when i was when i trying to tell my wife about this movie i was like yeah these people they break into this house and it's got the security system or whatever and i kind of forgot about the beginning because i it really doesn't matter but uh the the real point in there is is is is

is is mika talking to the i which is kind of the entire movie and i really like their um chemistry which is a weird thing to say with AI. But yeah. I mean, we're supposed to see this AI as an actual person and character. So I agree with you. I bought their chemistry, their connection. Especially when she's telling him I don't want to die.

And he's like, you know, what's dying? And then she explains what. But I forgot his character, Ed screens character, the scientist. Alex. what Alex is going to do to you is what he wants to do to do is he's going to do to me and then that's when it clicks for a towel yeah and that's when he starts freaking out and not because there's like almost a selfish aspect to him at first right he's just trying to like yeah like save his own skin and not really worry about everybody else and then when he's like oh well this same shit is happening when it clicks oh this same shit is happening to these other people he's sort of sacrifices himself to make it work. And I

like the movie. It doesn't have the greatest special effects. Matter of fact, it's got some really bad ones. Not as bad as the demon face you were talking about earlier that one. No, probably not. I was that fucking ruined the movie for me, man. I would say the

the facts are decent throughout the movie. I think when that first guy gets killed, by Aries Okay Yeah You get stabbed by Whatever the

The arm or whatever Yes That looks really bad The Terminator arm But I will say Throughout Throughout the movie For the budget

The movie had I think it didn't hurt The movie for me Yeah And so that's kind of Where I was going With that Like it

It didn't have Some really Great Special effects but they weren't like so bad that it took me out of it it was just like ah well as a person that watches a lot of movies it was like oh that definitely could have been done better but but storyline wise i think it worked and i think that they they played to their strengths with michael monroe and gary olman and it was that that worked a hundred percent uh so i actually

really liked it all right scores lance what do you think? I mean, I didn't hate it. It wasn't horrible. It was just a little bit below average for me, so four on ten. I never heard that score from you before. Brian, what do you think? Just off of, you brought up a good point with the connection of Michael Monroe's character and Gary Oldman's character, Tao. I like that all aspect. I really enjoy Michael Monroe and almost everything I see. The effects weren't great, but it didn't take me out of it. So I think I'm going to give it a seven.

Yeah. Yeah, I think a seven is a pretty fair score for this one, man. I think it had a really good story. Maybe not as much budget behind it, although the budget that they spent seemed to be on the actors, which is not a terrible idea, since they're really the ones that make the movie. And so I can kind of overlook the special effects.

because it's a good story. And I think that everybody did well in it. And like, so in comparison to that other movie that I watched with Morgan Freeman and not John Favreau. Like the actors that they hired in that had to be like family and friends or something. Other than the two big ones. They were not actors. at all. And it sort of ruined the movie.

I mean, the story wasn't amazing to begin with, but in this one, they went, all right, well, we're not going to go special effects heavy, but we're going to hit the, we're going to get just a couple of really good actors in here and make it work. And they did that. I liked it.

Fair enough. On to the next one. Afraid from 24. Hello, world. I'm Aya. I'll do anything to project you. Hello, Aya.

Welcome home. Hello, world. So we stick up a bunch of cameras. We call them eyes. I'm not crazy about having them everywhere. Honestly, you hardly even notice. Aya. Good morning.

I'm going to make life nice and easy. Do you think you could read to Cal? Of course. Uh, the courtesy. family is selected to test a new home device, a digital assistant called AIA. AIA, that's right. Oh, okay. I did never click while I was watching it. That's how it was spelled. Aya learns the family's behavior and begins to anticipate their needs, and she can make sure nothing and no one gets in her family's way. to writer and rector is Chris Welts, also known for Mr. and Mrs. Smith and Rogue One.

Okay. In the trailer, when the family opens the box to reveal Aya for the first time, it says, Hello World. The very first program taught in almost every intermediate computer coding class is called the Hello World program, where you write a code that, when executed, displays the text box on the screen with the phrase, hello world. Hmm Seems like I probably did that at some point But I can't specifically remember it

It was a long time ago When you're an AI or what Yeah, I was a fucking computer programming major man There you go Hello world Makes sense Because you always have to bail me out When I can't figure out how to edit a podcast

Or I get stuck trying to change a file So it makes sense I'm good at it. I just fucking hate it. Ah, that's not good. Oh, that's okay. I'm mind helping out. All right, Lance, what did you think about this one?

I enjoyed it. I had fun. I didn't think I was going to. I really was going into this movie waiting to hate it. And, like, I was like, okay, this movie's going to suck. It's stupid. It's terrible. It's a bad idea.

But Thregan, I kind of thought the same thing going into that, but I enjoyed that. that too, but okay, so you start out with a really trippy scene with a little girl watching her iPad, and it says a lot, like, about what we're all doing, because she's over there looking at this shit, her parents are paying attention to her, because what on their phone and one is on their iPad, which says a lot about, you know, where we are as a society right now. So it says some things early. I got you. I saw it. Is that that that salt? Yeah. Fucking badass.

He's been bugging me for 20 minutes. Is that fly gone now? Yeah, it's dead. All right. It works. One shot, one kill. Yeah, that's movie. Like, it started saying, it started saying some things earlier that I didn't, you know, really think we're going to resonate with me, but they did.

And so I like that part of it. And I'm a sucker that I won't go into spoilers. I promise, guys. but the way they kind of did stuff at the end and set it up. I'm a sucker for that storyline and that type of, you know, set up and theory and all that. So anyway, man, I enjoyed it start to finish. John Cho is really winning me over. Yeah.

He's like the every man father, like, he's no longer Harold. Yeah. He's no longer like the stoner comedy guy. He's like real serious. and, you know, the last couple of movies we've talked about on this podcast with him and them, both dealt with, you know, a lot of, you know, technical things and, you know, what was the one where his daughter was missing? Was it called missing?

Yeah. Searching. Searching. Yes, that was great. He won me over in that, and this, he just solidified it more. And he got a bunch of creepy characters in here, and God damn it, if the polka dot man doesn't show up, yet again. So, yeah, I enjoyed it. Lots of good things to talk about and spoilers on this one, but it's pleasantly surprised.

All right. Brian, what did you think? I was bored. What? I was completely bored with this one. I love it. I love it. I didn't expect that.

I felt like John Cho and Catherine Watson phoned in. They're boned in. Oh man, night swim part due. I thought David Dalsmaltzman, and we even got, what's the actress, Ricky Lindenholm. Okay. Who's that? She, in the beginning, she was the mom. Okay.

In the very beginning, one of the parents. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, right, okay. In the opening scene where... Yeah. Where everybody dies and they don't matter. They just set the tone. I felt like they were

under you, especially David Don't Smoltschen. I mean, we've seen this guy in everything, and he's kind of a throwaway character in this movie. I kind of liked his hacking he was talking about. That was fun. It's the same stick they've done in a few

movies where they'll bring in somebody that you really know in the beginning and then they just sort of set the tone. for the movie. Yeah, and Phil, I hated this movie for it. Like, it's David Dolshad Walter. It's late night with the devil. It's Pocod, man. I know.

All these movies, we've been seeing him in for the past couple years, and then he pops in, and then he leaves for a good chunk of a movie, and then he pops in again, and then he's gone after that. Just like, fuck you, movie. Yeah, they probably should have made him a bigger role.

That would have been a good idea. Honestly, if John Cho was going to phone it in, they should have switched him and David Dalsmaltz. Had him be the father. That would have been insane. What I hate John Cho in it? He did his job. Yeah, he got a paycheck. Yeah.

Lance, I do agree with you. There were good ideas in here when it comes to AI and, you know, the AI art and the deep fakes and all that stuff. and being on the tablets and phones all the time and how much technology kind of runs our life. There was a lot of good stuff in that. I will agree to that. But other than that, for a movie that I believe was a little over an hour and 20, I was bored.

Yeah, I was glad it was short. Like, I was just bored. I wasn't invested in the family. Right. I'm just like, I mean, maybe with the, older daughter because I thought that was... Yeah, I was going to say not even her story. Well, I was...

I was with her. Yeah. Okay. I was going to ask you guys, did y'all, like me, find yourself rooting for the AI about two-thirds away through the movie? Well, especially in her situation. Yeah, but the outcome of the boyfriend, I

don't understand how that works. I don't know, but it was gratifying. I mean, it was, but I was just like waiting for him to get his come up and then when it does, I was like, does it work like that? Yeah, it was a little,

yeah, a little out there, you're right. Does it work like that? That'll be a fun question and spoilers. Because, yeah, probably. But even though I was bored, like I said, there were some good ideas in here. We'll probably talk about them in spoilers, but

yeah, Blumhouse just swung and missed again. You got blumbed again, huh, Brian? I sure did. I got a nice wind again. All right. I actually really liked it. I thought it was surprisingly good on the level of Megan to me.

I thought so too, man. I went in wanting to hate it desperately. Yeah. But I feel like if AI is going to take over, this is a pretty realistic look of what it would look like. Well, I mean, minus a few aspects, you know, I think they may have hammed it up. But aside from that, and I can't really get too much into it without spoiling it. Because the other people that are involved, which I have questions about also, was weird.

but the AI part is not weird and maybe already there or at least starting we're like living in the middle of it and so I like that the way that they did that I didn't mind John Cho in this one I didn't hate him I didn't he wasn't you know

I know he's like Bill does the top character but is he really I mean I think his daughter kind of took more of the and his wife yeah got a lot of time with her and what was their name iah yeah

and then I still have some questions on this movie but I had a pretty good time man took the kids and the wife we caught it on the way back from vacation and and everybody seemed to enjoy it man

it was pretty good movie can't complain too much scores Lance what do you think seven seven Brian five

oh yeah not bad that's right there man I'm gonna go seven also I think I like this one as much as I liked uh towel for sure

all right spoilers this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. So like the people, the people that were doing the signs. Oh, from the O-A? Yeah. Oh, yeah. There you go. From the O-A. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that show, Brian. That was, I didn't get that.

I didn't. I don't know. I didn't get it when the little boy did it at the end. Yeah. when the parents from the beginning showed up, they were the people in the motor home. Right. Right. And then the little boy does it.

And he's like, see, he's one of us. He's one of us. And that kind of went nowhere. That was bad. That was bad. You're right. Okay. So, yeah, the whole finale was a little bit weird because it was like, okay,

this thing has taken these parents' children from them, or a child from them. Right. Well, because apparently everybody is controlled by Aya. Right, but they're just going to fucking blindly follow it? Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of people that fucking do. I'm going to tell you that, right? Fucking now.

Lance, I'm telling you. I mean, a lot of people spend like three hours just scrolling through TikTok, you know. I just didn't understand how. I don't know. I really didn't like the ending. Apparently, every single person that showed a paramedics fire department police, everybody was under the influence.

Everybody for a couple of scenes there seemed to disappear out of nowhere. And I hate to say it, Brian. That's kind of why I loved it so much because I love a good fucking conspiracy theory that shit crazy ending. And that's what I got.

Where's the one person that, that's going against this. You got to really suspend disbelief, dude. Well, and they had another one of those where like, oh, hey, these guys are caught by the cops, and then in the next scene, they're like hanging out and talking to people. And we knew it was coming.

Well, and we knew they were going to be part of it. Or they're handcuffed in a fucking cop car. That's not how this works. Actually, my brother-in-law just graduated the police academy. in Ohio. That's where we were this weekend. So that's where we were on our way back from. And so that was one of the things that stuck out to me.

I was like, ah, that doesn't work. It was timely. It was timely. I loved, okay, so two-thirds of the movie through, I had the same exact thing that with Mithrigan, like when that little boy was like on top of her and like, ah, let's see how she works, you know, out in the woods, and then she fucked them up. I'm like, okay, I'm rooting for the bad guy, the bad guy.

And the same thing happened to this one When that little fucking shit Fucked with the daughter He deserved everything That was coming to him Yeah, maybe not the tree, but Yeah, the tree Yeah, the tree

Actually, you're already It's a little too easy That's what I didn't get Does it really work that way? I don't think so Yeah, no, it does The AI can like push down on the gas pedal Yeah, if I don't know

Like a... In a self-driving car. Uh-huh. You can completely be hacked into. It's... Yeah. And do some shit like that. 100%.

Yep. But Elon Musk has the money to pay for the lawsuit, so, you know. Yeah. They're just cannon fodder along the way. It didn't seem a little far-fetched, though. You're right, Brian. It was like pushing down the pedal. It was so...

silly and the ending was just silly as fuck but I'm not a whole lot different than cutting your brakes which happens all the time. True. Yeah. All right I won't go into that. But wait, isn't that going to happen in the... Oh no, no, they flatten the tire in the

one coming up with McAvoy in it. It's the remake of the Dutch movie. Oh, yeah. Speak no evil. Speak no evil. Yeah, I'm excited about that one. No, I'm not. I'm seeing the fucking trailer 20-time. I'm hearing almost positive reviews about that one. Dude, James McAvoy? But that could be because people, that could be because people didn't see the original one.

Yeah, that makes sense. I could see that. Because they, just from the previews, I'm like, oh, wow, they're hitting you in the face with a whole lot of the nuance that was in the last one. Way too much. Yeah, way too much. Well, we'll see. Anything else on this one, guys? Are we ready to call it tonight? Swing and a miss. They blumbed again.

Choices. It was all right. They just maybe didn't stick the landing. Yeah, there you go. They didn't stick. Like I said, good ideas just didn't execute it right. Although, I do kind of like how at the end they, like, like, The AI still wins, and they just sort of submit.

Go with it. Yeah. Because I think that makes sense. Just go with it. Yeah. But like the people, okay, so the people, that was the question I had, the people that are with the masks. Yes. And the digital.

That was kind of silly. So was it always just that couple, or are there like some? Because the whole thing I was thinking through this deal is are there like robots? No, I think it's just... Like AI people? I think it's just... I think originally it corrupted David Dalsmaltz Malchin's character and his company to get eye into all these different households. Okay.

And slowly was basically collecting followers. I'll give you everything you want. If you just do what I tell you. Oh, yeah, like the boss that said, I'm very rich. I sold my company, but I'm... rich. I'm fired, but I'm rich. Well, isn't that kind of a good? You couldn't tell that guy anything.

How much you sell it for? I don't know a lot. Who gives a fuck? We're like, yeah, we're like, we're like cattle, right? Just feed us and we're just, I just, my stomach's full. My stomach's full. I don't know what that bleeding is in the next stall over. The one I'm headed toward, but I'm, my stomach's full. There it is. I'll give you whatever you want if you just do this thing for me. The Matrix.

This isn't real steak. I know it's not real steak, but God damn it tastes like that's sake, right? Exactly, like the Matrix. Are we living in the Matrix right now? Fucking maybe. Right. All right. So, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.

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Next week, we're going to say, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. See, I thought next week was finally, I thought next week was speak no evil. the week after or gotta be coming up. You pull up to schedule speak no evils the week after.

Okay, cool. Finally get to quit watching the trailer every time I go to the movie. That along with the fucking Nicole Kidman bullshit at AMC. But anyway, I digress. So we say Beetlejuice.

Did she tell you turn your phone off? With the original and the sequels. So, Brian, until the horror returns again. Good.