The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #434: Speak No Evil (2022) & Speak No Evil (2024)

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

This week, things get dark. Pedro joins us to talk about the original Danish version and the American remake. Cool of the week includes After Baywatch, The Devils Hour, Delta Force, and Night Flight Plus. Trailers are Hold Your Breath and Salem's Lot. The podcast spotlight shines on Cinema Cemetary. And we get feedback from Matt Wood, Ariel Wellman, Tavares Ellis, Amed Mj Kamour, ThemBoyz Mom, Ed Wardson, David Barta, Thomas Habibi, Trust Capstone, Barbara Dean, Richard Stone, GhyDemon Sinclair, and Kevin Lane's Spill Your Guts. AND A VERY SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO OUR NEWEST SUPER PATRON DAVID BARTA! Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Hi, I'm Tom Savini. You might know me as Sex Machine from Dusk Till Dawn, and you're listening, and I don't know why, to the horror returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome, you have found the place where The horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everybody, to The Horror Returns, and I do say everybody, because I've had a lot of people reaching out to us.

And thank you, thank you, thank you to all of our new listeners that have taken the time to reach out. Man, it means the world. That's why we're doing this. That's why we come to you guys every single week. But, you know, whether you know it or not, you found the horror returns. I'm Lance with me as always, my co-host, Philip, Brian, and our semi-regular co-host, Pedro.

What's up, guys? What's up, man? So. Nez may or may not be joining us for the review. I hope he does. He's on the line, so we'll see what happens. But as you know, if you listen and don't know if you don't, we start with something called Cool of the Week.

Pedro, what is your coolest thing you've seen, watched experience this week, man? Well, I wouldn't say they're cool of the weeks because they both pretty much sucked, but I do have a couple of late reviews for this show. Okay. I got to catch Afraid, right, with Afraid ID. You know what? Be careful, Pedro. Yeah, my two co-host gave him some, well, we got a couple of sevens from you guys.

Oh, my God. I did. Yeah, this was what above night swim for me, Pedro. Yes, this is much like the ever-growing fan base that you guys have. I also listen every week, and I did hear those reviews. And you know what? it wasn't bad. It was just lifeless, right?

You know, and I found it more, I find it, I found it more insulting than something like, like night swim, because at least with night swim, you could tell there was this idea, even though it was flawed and it was shot horribly, and it was just really bad. With afraid, it was, because afraid wasn't even really a horror movie. It was literally just like a family drama

with a couple little scares there to justify the title of being horror. Literally, I believe it was just one scene. And, you know, I'm going to go ahead and spoil it here, like, you know, because I think people should have seen it by now. They are going to see it. The one where the guy is driving the car and then the, you know, whatever, the entity or whatever the heck it is, takes over the car and he crashes, right? That's literally it. Philip made that point. I think that's the only, like, really, like, anything that justifies being a horror movie.

It's literally just a family that kind of goes through the motions, et cetera, et cetera. And yeah, and it's like the longest, like, 78 minute movie I've ever sat through in my life. Like, how is that even possible? So just on that alone, again, was it bad? No, it was shot well. You know, it was competent, right? It's by a big studio, so it should be. But just I was very insulted in that they tried to sneak in a quasi-horror movie

and when it really wasn't a horror movie. So that's my, as of right now, September 18, 20, 24, that's my worst movie of the year, number one. I'm going to go ahead and say it right now. I feel like it was more of like a sci-fi thriller than a horror. Yes, but it wasn't marketed as that. Yeah, that's true. And even that's stretching it.

And so that, yeah, it overtooks a night swim. I mean, night swim is still my number two at this. And then, so that was my cool. I mean, it wasn't bad. I mean, I, you know, I was just very insults to just, come on. What are you doing here? Are we to the point where we're piecing together parts of scripts to try to make some sort of competent movie now? You know, that's what it was.

It was just very lazy. Fair enough. Then I saw another horrible film. And that was the Crow. I got to see The Crow remake. Yeah. And there's a couple of things I got to say about this. I know there was a very heated debate during your show.

I will, you know, I listened to it. And by the way, Philip really put it over the top. because I don't know if he was plastered or what, but he was having, he was, he was having a hell of a time. That was awesome. It was, it was, it was, I went back to listen to that probably like three or four times and I was busting up the whole time. Yeah, that's pretty drunk. But you were also trying to be the voice of reason, Philip.

That's what made, because, because Brian and Lance were going at it. And you, and you were we? I mean, I mean, not going at it. I mean, more so, you know. it got pretty tense. And then Philip was, I guess, drunk, and he was trying to be the middle person in there. They just made it more awkward.

And it was just a fun time. It's what I do, man. And so to me, to me, it was like, the reason why I think the original crow, is it the best film ever, no, you know, in 1994, but it did become this cultural phenomenon, not only because, you know, Brandon Lee really passed away during that film,

also the soundtrack that's like a legendary soundtrack and it really inspired it was a product of its time right and people that grew up with that film tend to really be very nostalgic about it so so so the new crow had that going against it so to me when you have that going against it you have to raise the bar a little more you know instead of just offering this another soulless kind of film like to me like okay so the so the main bad guy um he he's concerned about having this this video of him out there that that could you know could incriminate him right go to jail for that yet he has this power to manipulate people to do whatever he wants so why is he scared of that like why is he so scared of this video that's going to incriminate him when when he has this when he has this mind control power he could go in there and mind control the cops the jury anyone he wants he he he whispers about that he whispers like like to me it doesn't make sense, right? So already I'm not invested. And then like when you have no chemistry, right? When you have like the two leads didn't have any chemistry whatsoever. They were there to cash a paycheck.

And we have to deal with 40 minutes of setup. Nothing but that. There's no action in the first 40 minutes. It's just literally them falling in love. And then what a what a pussy this guy. You know, he knows her for a week, if that. And he's over here, you know, making deals with the devil or or whomever this. guy in the shadow realm is to go to hell for her. That's what you call a sim, ladies and gentlemen. And then, and then, I don't know, that was just a bad movie. Like, just, the last 20 minutes were a spectacle, I'll give him that. Like, the opera house scene was fun.

And then he does this deal where he, fuck it, I'm just spoiling it because it is what it is. Here we go again. Well, Lance already did. Lance gave up the whole plot. So, so he makes the deal with, again, this river man or whatever this guy is. Oh, man, that's what he is. Like the boatman, I don't know. Yeah, the boat man.

He's like, I'll go to hell for her. And I'm like, so she's going to get to, she's, so she's going to wake up and be alive. So now there's, there's like teleportation, time travel in this fucking movie. You know what I'm saying? like yeah yeah because they went back to the moment yeah because she wakes up in the moment so it just leads to more questions where all the villains that died are they just magically dead even though they went back in time and she opened her eyes what a dumb fucking movie one on 10 they got they got back to the future good point they just disappear wow you had a rough week bedra

yeah yeah and then and then um yeah i'm you know my eagles they they lost on monday which also pisses me off. And, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how that goes. But that's my uncool of the week right there. No cool of the week, huh? Oh, you know what? I did see, this is old.

I saw Baywatch after the far, whatever it's called. It's on Hulu. What? Baywatch. Is that the one with Zach Ephron? No, no, no, no. This is a documentary. Oh, okay.

It's a documentary. It's a four-point. part documentary on Hulu about Baywatch and all the cultural impact that it had back in the day. And that was fun, you know, because I'm a product of that era. So just seeing that and see that. You're diving deep for a clue of the week this week, man. I sure am. I'm going down there at the bottom of that barrel, man.

I'll tell you. But it was fun to see that. It was fun for them to, like, find all these old actors and actresses that were part of the show. Like, David Hossel have looked exactly the same. I think that guy made a pack with the river man, because he's not age. Maybe. Or he is the Riverman. Or maybe he is.

Right. And so it was cool to see Pamela Anderson. I mean, she's still pretty attractive at what? Like almost 60 at this point? She's up there. And just seeing a lot of these like women that I had crook. Because that was doing my teenage years. You know what I'm saying?

So that's where, what did Garth from Wayne's World say? That's where going up the rope and gym class would feel, would feel a little tired. So that was during that era. So a lot of these women left a cultural impact on me during that time. So seeing them older and whatnot was cool. But yeah, so that was fun. So yeah, that's my cool of the week.

The Baywatch actor, the fall. It's on Hulu for whomever wants to watch it. Yasmin Bleaf was always my favorite. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She messed herself up. She ended up having a cocaine addiction. Oh, no.

Well, that happens. I mean, it does, but such a beautiful woman, you know, for that to happen. Philip, can you bring us up, Philip? Yeah, I got an obscure one. I watched, it's called The Devil's Hour. It's like a... Oh, okay. I guess it's a mini-series.

I don't know. It's a British TV show. It was on Amazon. And it's kind of hard to say what it's about. It's one of those where it starts out and you don't know what's going. on and then through the episode you kind of build little bit by little bit until the final episode where it explains everything and they tied it up in a nice little bow i like that um it's got a lot of people that you've seen before i couldn't exactly tell you what their names are

uh but it was it was pretty interesting it starts out pretty creepy there's like some ghost things happening maybe some possession we don't really know uh and then it rolls into like a crime drama kind of thing. It was pretty entertaining. And it's only one season. So it's pretty short and full of stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah.

All right. The devil's hour? The devil's hour. Yeah. Like this lady wakes up at 3.33 in the morning every night. Oh, I think I've heard of this. To like the sound of a loud bang. And after these nightmares that you.

she's been having. What happens if she oversleaves? I don't know. Well, that she just wakes up every night at that particular moment. So if she travels from the, so if she goes from the west coast to the east coast, is she's going to wake up at 633

every night or is it still 333? Or whatever the time? I don't know. Maybe the mystic shit travels, you know, it's got daylight savings time and shit too. but that's it's not it's not even really that integral to the part to the plot that's just how it starts out gotcha just happens to be huh yeah oh man all right brian you want to go next or you got a whole bunch of stuff i only seen i watched nothing new this week i did watch a couple of action movies one of them

i'll talk about uh i rewatched lionheart starring jean claude van dam that's that's a good one that's a that one a minute. Is it good? It's fun. I think you guys might be remembering it a little. Probably. The fight choreography

is so bad. Nobody's trying. But it is fun to play the game of what action movie was this guy from. Because almost every guy he fought was from action movie.

I can't even remember which one that is. It's the one where he's from, He's in the French Foreign Legion, and he finds out his brother got killed, and he has to come take care of his father, his brother, and he, like, deserts the French Foreign Legion. Okay. And then, of course, to raise money, he falls into an underground fighting ring. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's hard to remember, because there's about five movie plots that he follows that throughout his career. Yeah. The same plot. It was like, that was the one in the prison, the one with the mullet. Where are we going? Oh, mullet, what was that? Was that a... Well, there was a lot of them.

Oh, no, him having the mullet. Yeah, him had his mullet. Nowhere to run, right? Yeah, no. Hard target. Was that one? Hard target. Hard target.

Hard target. He has the mullet and he punches the snake and knocks it out. Yes. I forgot about that. That's not the John Wu one, right? John Wude did nowhere to run, I think. Or maybe it was hard target. He did hard target.

Sounds familiar. Nowhere to run was with one of the Arquettes. That's right. That's right. Right. And one of the Colkins was the little son. Oh, you're missing is the Baldwin, right? Yeah.

And the other actual movie. Popping up. Where are they coming from? I'm like, oh, that's a new one. Well, there was like, when we only knew McCauley, there was like seven of them. And I guess they were all. There was the father. was trying to push them all in the acting.

Oh, like the Jackson 5. Ah, there you go. Well, one of them is in Home Alone. He's a little, little brother or a cousin or whatever. I think that's the one that's in succession. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Kieran, is that what it is, but?

And I also checked out. The other action movie I checked out was a classic for my childhood, the Delta Force with Chuck Norris. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a classic. right there where Robert Forrester plays the villain named Abdul. Of course.

Of course. Only in the 80s. What other name would he have, you know, during that time? Yeah. Great, great, great, great rewatch on that one. That'll probably be my... The week. Yeah, not a whole lot of action.

There's a lot of drama in there, but, you know, Chuck Norris kicks ass. And I forget the guy's name. the black guy from the American Ninja movies. Is it James Avery? James Avery. I think it is James Avery. Yeah, yeah.

He's in it, Lee Marvin. Of course, yeah, Lee Marvin's in there. Oh, nice. Even though Lee Marvin does nothing in the movie. Does he at least smoke a cigar in the movie, Brian? He might.

I'm serious, he does nothing in the movie and he's like second build. Of course. He's earned it. That's how it was where those old Coggers back in the day. They had to work around them, you know? Burgess Meredith got up there to that point after a while, all these guys. But yeah, I got nothing new in. Lance, you already know I'm stockpiling my new releases for 30.

Sure, sure. So. Well, we got we got two to talk about in trailers tonight, Brian, that are, I'm sure we'll be on our list, right? Yep. All right. So you guys, do you guys, anybody ever heard of something called night flight from the late 80s early 90s? Speaking of old codgers, Brian. Oh. I'm showing my age. Hey, NAS gets it. Nas gets it.

He's put in about 48 hours already on this network. I gave my password. For $37 a year, guys, you can get a new streaming service, Philip, called Night Flight Plus. So night flight was a, I'll put it to you this way. It was a three-hour show, and it would usually be like a bunch of video shorts, music, like the top ten music videos they would count down. Oh, really?

Yeah, then they would show either like a cult horror movie or like a punk rock documentary. Oh, okay. So Night Flight Plus recaptures all that magic. So you got a whole bunch of weird cult movies. There's a lot of movies. I think vinegar syndrome, Brian, might have like a partial ownership stake in it, because there's a ton of vinegar syndrome, you know, distributed movies on there. So you have, you know, like women in prison movies and, you know, stuff where,

basically, you know, there's demons and a lot of practical effects, a lot of, a lot of obscure titles. Super obscure. And it's, it's, it's fabulous. I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I stayed up, I stayed up Saturday night. until about the sun came up.

I watched a documentary about the musician Kate Bush, and then I watched like a top-10 video countdown, and then I watched like a movie about demons that I'd never seen before that was like terribly cheesy, but great practical effects. Oh, and then I also watched like a slasher movie where like the girl's brother was the killer, and he was trying to rape her at the end,

and it was really, really fucked up. And all commercial free So I mean 37 bucks a year For me this is a steal You know if you're You know if you're not a Close to being a boomer like I am You might not get it

But uh Nez gets it He'll tell you about it Brian He's he's loving it And I'm loving it too So uh Night Flight Plus Well whoa whoa

Well how come you're not dropping the names of these movies I mean were they so good you forgot the names Or like what's going on I think I was so stoned What was it was it was it was The demons one was at Slaughterhouse Rock? No, it was none of the above, dude. It was so incredibly obscure.

It was just like these weird little demons that were running around and terrorizing people. I couldn't even begin to tell you. I could probably see, here's the problem. They've got like movies you can stream, but I are, you know, watching real time or, I'm sorry, like watch on demand. But I was watching the streaming shit. So it was like I wasn't really paying attention to what was on there and I had a couple of edibles. So, because I remember that's the way I used to do it when I was watching it originally. So I figured I'd recapture the magic.

But it's cool. If you want to relive the old days, if you're old and you want to see what it was like for us, video quality, not always the best. Really, really grainy. And I swear they're playing old videotapes or something, just replaying them on some of these. But, yeah, I'm going to keep watching it. They're 80s B movies. That's probably what they were recorded on. Super.

No, like C movies. Yeah. But yeah, Night Flight Plus. Check it out. You know, and if you guys want to watch it, I'll share my password. I think it's also one of those, Pedro, that unlike Netflix and, you know, super big corporate stuff, I think they're not really watching and paying attention to who's sharing passwords. I mean, I signed up for it, and they haven't even charged my credit card yet. So who knows, man

We'll see how this goes But a lot of punk rock stuff too Like if you like punk rock concerts and documentaries I'll try to get one of those seven-day trials If I would get it Yeah check it out man see if you like it You either will or you want but there's a lot Definitely a lot of material

So night flight plus Brian what do we what do we have in headlines This week man Okay Camilla Mendez The Star of the New I what you did last summer reboot has already dropped out of the movie

I thought it was already done what is this blade all over again was all these people dropping out of stuff man Jesus Christ it looks like a shitty movie anyway let's see Daniel Robbuck joins the cast of the upcoming House on

Haunted Hill remake which is executive produced by Victoria Price Benson Price's daughter. I don't know. That was the remake of the remake because that one's already been

remade a few times. Right? Now, if it's the remake of the remake, are they remake in the remake? Or are they remaking you? The original. I hope so, because the remake wasn't that bad. I actually enjoy the remake.

Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those. Like Owen Wilson, right? Yeah. No, that was the haunting. That was another great remake. I think that was Ghost House, right?

I think it was Ghost House. Was it the dude who played Shaggy that was in the remake or something from the Scooby-Doo movies? That was 13 ghosts. Oh, okay. I'm so confused. The House on Haunted Hill had Jeffrey Rush. Yeah. Tate Diggs, Ali Larder.

It's actually a really good movie. I know we've seen it for the show. Yeah, I think I kind of feel like it's one of those staples of the 90s. Jeffrey Rush. Why not, right? It had FAMChee Jansen in it, so you know it was a staple of the 90s for sure. Sure, sure. Yeah, and it had the one guy from S&L who was in that movie, Corky Romano.

Oh. Chris Catan. Chris Catan. Wow. Mango. Was he playing it straight? Brian, was it like serious? He was the owner of the house that was just trying to get his money and get out of there.

That was his whole thing. He was like the comedic. relief. And these are a couple other staples of the 90s that were in it. Peter Gallagher, which he was all over the place in the 90s, and Bridget Wilson, who got a little push there in the 90s with a last action hero. She ended up marrying a tennis player, and then she left the business. And then Jeffrey Cromes is also in it. He has a cameo in the beginning, if I remember correctly. Yeah, Lisa Loeb is in it, too. That's the very definition of 90s there. There's a D.

Yeah, that's right. She's doing, like, interviewing, like, Jeffrey Rush's new amusement park. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. If people haven't seen it out,

it's a fun movie. It's a wacky 90s horror film. Yeah, it's, I really enjoy it. I own it some. I have us here somewhere, but it's one of my favorites from that time. Yeah.

Let's see. M. Knight Shaman has started working on his 17th movie. Is he going to put his kids in it? Probably both of them this time, right? Yeah, like the more I think on that last movie, the less I like it. Actually, I was talking to Lance about this because Lance texted me when he was watching it. I was like, if I honestly believe now that that film trap was a satire.

And if we see it as. as a satire. You see that smart though? It's not that bad of a movie because there's no way it could be anything more than a satire. I refuse to believe that. Like the way they talk, the, you know, what's his name, the lead actor? He's kind of, he's kind of wacky in it, you know, with those facials. He does a good job, by the way, in that movie. He's probably the only good thing about that movie. But I feel like if we see it as a satire, it kind of, it does make sense. But if you see it has anything other than that, then it's a terrible fucking movie. It's just a big long music video.

Yeah, that's true. Let's see. Got an update on some casting news for Lance, the sequel to Lance's. What was this? The Black Phone was in your bottom list that year? Barely. It was like number 10 out of the bottom 10, I think.

I'm not even going to get into that. Yeah, we're good. Damien Burchier joins the cast of the Black Phone 2. Okay. Well, he's a good actor. I mean, he's had some really good role. He's very serious, though. Is he going to be the killer or do we know yet? Well, Ethan Hawks returning. Okay. All right. Are they going to be partners, like in crime or? So it's got to be a prequel then. Spoiler. Ethan Hawk died.

Yeah, it's got to be a prequel, I guess. I don't know. I guess. Well, the same, the same two main kids are also retains. turning. Maybe he has a twin brother. There's like a flashback scene or something. I think this is going to be more supernatural

than the first one. Jeremy David is going to be in it. That's my question. Was that the father? Yeah. Yeah, he's back. Oh, wow. So is it back to beat his kids. I don't know. Let's see. And finally, the creep franchise returns with a new series titled the creep tapes on November 15th on shutter

that'll be fun that'll be fun i don't know about that man no i like it man i like that idea is it as long as i like it too i like it too um actually i love those films both of them the first one more so than the second one yeah but is it is that old thing of like that character works because of of the mystery around him, you know, and then... Okay. I can see that. And this is a series. This is not just a movie. So trying to develop that character, they're going to try to humanize them. You know, they're going to go that whole route.

No. I hope that each episode is one of the videotapes that you see in his collection. I think Brian just nailed it. I think Brian just nailed it. That's the only thing that would work, right? Yeah, I don't want no backstory. I just want each episode to be self-complicated. contain story on one of his victims. That'd be awesome, but that's going to be a lot of, like, so a different person every week. I don't know if they'll go that route.

Victim of the week. But it would be cool. It would be cool in the, like, how he gets to, like, kill them or whatever. Because, but the thing to me is like, then we're never going to get a fucking happy ending with this show, because he's always going to win. Well, yeah. Right. I feel like the reason why the second one works so well, because. he knew that you can't keep this going on forever.

And in the second one, spoiler alert, he doesn't win. So I don't know how you're going to fucking have the victim of the week every single fucking week, you know, it's just, I don't know. We'll see. I'm going to give it a try, though, because I really enjoy the films. So we'll see how they take it. Yep, November 15th on Shutter. And that is the news.

All right. Pedro, you know where we're going, right? We're going to that trailer park. You know it, brother. So we're going to... Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer this week?

This one is a new Hulu exclusive called Hold Your Breath, starring Sarah Paulson. Pedro will start with you. I mean, they've tried to give us killer pools this year. They've tried to give us fucking killer artificial intelligence. now they're going to try to give us killer dirt is what they're going to do with this fucking Twitter so they're just going for broke on this one brother because right um no I mean I mean the traitor looked uh it looked okay I mean it seemed I got like a children of the corn vibe just because

of the small town setting um but it's just going to be one of those films that it also look very generic too as well um and I don't know how the fact that it's on Hulu's concerning because Hulu when they believe in a film they they'll put it. it as a theatrical. And if they don't, they'll keep it on Hulu. And this one stayed on Hulu. So that tells you all you need to know about that. So we'll see.

Yeah, it's several paucin's in it. Who else is in it? Who plays the girl, the younger girl? Good question. She did look familiar when I was watching it. For a second, I thought it was, it wasn't because she's way too young to beat her. She kind of looked like Amanda Siegfried. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe just a Cerepelson vehicle. I don't know. But yeah, it seems like it's almost like the dust or whatever carries like some sort of evil spirit within it. And if it gets into you, you become possessed by it or it kills you outright. Yeah, and we'll see how they get away from dirt. That's my biggest question. Oh, the thing plays is in it, the new thing. Yeah, cousin, cousin.

Yeah, I saw it and I'm like, this guy, this guy, the old money to the IRS or what's going on here? I mean, he's a pretty big deal right now for him to be taking on these kind of roles. He needs to fire his agent or something. And he wasn't even first build, you know? He's like third from the top. So, um, I don't know. Maybe his, maybe his agent told him, like, look, this is what's happening with

Mahershal Ali taking the blade roll. He's just sitting around doing nothing. Mm-hmm. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But then again, he's got gigs, man. This has got the bear.

He's got Fantastic Four. You know, he's got big, big stuff coming up. But we'll see how this film goes again. I mean, they're making dirt into a fucking evil entity. I mean, Amnai Shamala Ling Dang, try to make air into an evil entity one time. And it didn't really prop him. So we'll see. That's because he put Mark Wahlberg in it.

As a science teacher. Right, right, right. With one facial. expression throughout the entire film, which is awesome. What? No. You didn't do your science homework. What are you doing?

Archie market the bewildered look. That's my favorite. I think they're probably going to hit it with more of a, is it real route? Or is she just crazy? Probably through the whole movie. I don't think they did a very good job of conveying that in the trailer, but my bet would be that's how the movie's going to work.

And I think that's going to be a better movie than what the trailer was showing. Because the trailer didn't really give me a whole lot to go on. But I mean, you know, Sarah Paulson, she's always pretty good. I mean, she drives me fucking nuts most of the time. As long as she's not constantly screaming and crying. Yeah. But, I mean,

if that's the character that she's playing, she does a pretty good job at that. Right. So we'll see. I can't say I'm super excited about it, but I'll watch it. Lance. I mean, I love Sarah Paulson, you know, so I'll give it a chance, but oh, man, I had bye-bye man vibes and shit like that where they're talking about it.

It's the gray man. He's coming to get through the story saying. I probably should have threw it in the trailer park, but have you guys seen the trailer for, I'm assuming it's going to be this year's bye-bye man, the bad man. the bad man the bag man oh the bag man that sounds terrible unless it's an Italian

mobster movie I don't want to watch I honestly I couldn't tell you what it was about I just watching the trailer I got all the the bag man or the what were we just

what's that movie I just brought up the empty man it gave me those vibes Yeah. They keep trying to come up with these new, like, horror icons and it ain't working. Yeah, like a big bad with just man at the end of the name, right? Yeah. And then the ones that do work, they fuck up and kill them, like the guy from the Blackbone. They had something there, and they fucking killed them at the end. Yeah.

So now they got to work backwards and make it make sense for the second one. All right. Hold Your Breath comes to Hulu, October 3rd. And now for our final trailer, we're going to talk about a movie that's finally getting released. And we're going to talk about should it even get released at all. And that's 2024 Salem's lot. You want to kick us off, Pedro? I like this trailer. It looks fun.

It looks fun to me. And I'm a big fan of the original. I don't know how they're going to top that creepy scene in the window and everybody that's seen and knows what I'm talking about. and just the thing that the original had, which was long as fuck, by the way, it's like almost a four-hour movie. It's pretty fucking long. But it had a lot of atmosphere and ambience to it,

and you felt that sense of like creepiness. I don't want to say dread, but there was a lot of, I don't know, I just got under your skin, just the visuals. This one looks a little cleaner. You know, it looks like like those fucking 2000 remakes that were all nice looking. But it did look like it had a lot of action,

which is pretty cool. especially the last half of the trailer, they just bombard you with all these cool scenes. Like, I like the guy when, you know, he's, they're showing them the cross and he's kind of like going up into the wall and then going into the next room. That was a pretty cool visual there.

So I'm looking forward to it. I know this film has had a lot of drama behind it. It's had a lot of false dates as far as when it was going to get released. At one point, it was going to be a theatrical. Another point it was going to go to Max. I guess now it's going to Max. and so it's been pretty cursed, right?

As far as the release, at least they didn't shelve it because they're known to do that. Warner Brothers will do that to you. And it came pretty damn close for a while, but they're going to release it and I'll be there for it. I mean, it looks like a pretty good movie. Phil. Yeah, I mean, there was nothing in the trailer that really caught me. I found myself not really paying attention to it, but it's just because I've been like kind of waiting on this thing. I sort of want to go into it blind also.

Have you seen the original? Yes, but it's been a very long time. And I know that it is very classic and creepy. And I'm wondering if they're going to catch that same atmosphere on this one. It doesn't give me very high hope since it's been through so much shit. But I'm definitely going to watch it. Lance? I've read every single Stephen King.

novel short story. He's done a couple of nonfiction books. He's in some novellas. There's nothing that he's put out commercially that I haven't read. And there's only two Stephen King works that had chapters in him that were so incredibly dark, depressing, and hopeless that they literally made me cry when I finished reading the chapter. One of them was the long walk, the one that he wrote under Richard Bachman, that is also going to be coming out. And by the way, the casting of Mark Hamill is fucking perfect.

for that particular character. I'm hoping... Which one? He's going to... In the long walk, Mark Hamlet is going to be. I think he's called the Colonel. The guy who forces the boys to walk,

you know, kind of an elimination style. Yeah. You know, Washington McCullough, it's like winning film festival awards. The other one, The Life of Chuck, but Tom Hiddleston.

Well, I'm looking forward to that, too, man. There's a lot of good King projects that seem to be finally, coming out. The other book that I've read that there was a chapter that was so incredibly dark and like introspective about the badness, I don't know how it's to put it of human nature, is, you know, Salem's lot. There was one chapter in there that was just like, holy fuck, he wrote that. He was actually able to verbalize what you sometimes think when you think the absolute worst of human beings and it just really got to me. So I'm hoping that, you're

that this is more like the book than the original mini-series, which was still good. But I don't think I'm going to be too disappointed. God, I hope I'm not getting Ropa Dope. But this trailer looked really fucking good to me. It looks super dark. The characters were pretty much what I visualized.

Basically, the kid is going to carry the story, and then he's going to team up with the alcoholic priest, ex-priest or whatever. Well, priest, but fallen from grace-type priest. So if this is as close to the book as it looks like from the trailer This should be pretty dark and pretty twisted So I'm really looking forward to it I'm super excited for this coming out to be honest with you

And I was worried just like you guys Like Phillips said because it's been through so many revisions That's usually not a good sign But if the trailers, if the movie's as good as the trailer I'm all in Lance did you ever watch the 2004 miniseries Never never what about return is it good it's okay

I haven't seen that either I saw the original that was closer to the book and one thing if you know when we're talking about Stephen King adaptations this film runs less than two hours so that's kind of concerning because they're going to squeeze a lot of shit in you know that's a lot of material

huh yeah and then there's another one that everybody hates which is return to Salem slot which is came out in the 80s which is a horrible fucking movie. I mean, it's a whole other story. Yeah. Maybe it's on night flight plus. So if you see it on night flight plus, go ahead and change the channel. Go back to a shutter or something.

All right, Salem's lot streaming on Max, October 3rd. But it's like Brian was saying, with these couple of traders that we cover and some of the other movies that are coming out, you kind of want to stockpile all these to, you know, get through October and stuff. October is really when I want these films to drop. because we have quite a few of them.

We have another VHS films coming out during this time. I think it's called VHS Beyond. And I always really mark out for those films to the point where I always come on here and talk about them because I just love all those VHS movies. So just the fact that we're getting another one in October is pretty cool. It seems to be like a yearly thing now, which I'm all okay with. So yeah, so I just stockpiling these films is going to be a good time. Good point. Good point.

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I think they're primarily on YouTube But as soon as they're Put up the audio version I'll post it in our Social media pages Let's see In regards to M. Knight Working on his 17th movie

Matt Wood Says I wonder if he can fuck this up well i guarantee you he can well he's got a track record so he definitely can if he puts his mind to it yes let's see in regards to the friday the thirteenth remake ariel wellman says uh derrick was great in that i follow him okay um in regards to children of the quorum the student of the game podcast says uh this movie is the reason why as parents

We can't be lazy when it comes to discipline in our kids. I can't believe how these adults allow these super powerless kids to take them over. That is a good point. We need a lot of James McAvoy's in our lives right now. That's right. All these goddamn ankle bitters are killing everybody. In regards to nightmares, Ahmed M. Camor says, I remember that, the killer, the rat, the priest, the video game.

I don't know what that means, but okay. That was a great movie. And I know exactly what he's talking about. That was a great movie. Was it an Emilio Estabez? Yeah. Okay, I remember that. What?

Have I seen this movie? I don't know what I have. You never seen nightmares? I don't know. It seems like Emilio Estevez. I would have watched it. Yeah, he's in the first one. He gets stuck on this video game,

and then he ends up, like, becoming part of the game at the end. so it's like a very twilight zony ending oh man i feel like it's it's gonna be one more i'll start watching it and i go oh yeah yeah uh let's see in regards to the skaternes podcast network them boys says mom this sound rock oh them boys mom says this sound this sounds rocking that makes more sense i was like mom this sounds rocking why are you telling me that by talking about night flight plus or whatever lands is kind of pimped over there probably um ed borsson maybe we get some money from well they haven't even charged land so i don't think they have a lot of money to distribute

ed bordenson says uh mind body spirit uh this movie needs a sequel uh you have to know you have to know this is just the beginning mind body spirit Yeah, we interviewed the director. That's right. Or Lance did. Like, I know it sounds familiar. David Barta says, Triple Feature with both Speak No Evils

with Lake Eden sandwiched between. You had a bad weekend, brother. Wait, what was that again? Said, triple feature with both speak no evils with Lake Eden, sandwich between them. Whoa. A lot of great parenting. those movies.

Telling you. Sunny weekend. In regards to long legs, Thomas Habibi says one of the shittiest movies of all time. Several walked out of

the theater while I was in and I wish I'd joined them. Garbage. Now, Lance, off our Facebook page, there's several people that hate long legs.

I've noticed that. And they also hate alien Rangelis. Huh? Oh. I don't get it. Which one? Which one else do they think, Brian?

You know? Alien Romulus. I don't understand. I just, I don't understand the internet sometimes. I don't understand. Pedro. Because I think somebody replied to, I think someone replied to this comment. It was like, long legs, it was shitty, but it wasn't as shitty as alien Romulus.

There's something like that. And it wasn't as good as night swim, right? I don't know if we ever gotten to comment on night swim. Probably not. I guarantee you night swim is someone's favorite movie out there. I guarantee you that. No. Yeah.

Yeah, he's on this show. No. The way the internet works and it's like, you know. I was going to say, I just think we just have so much data on the internet now that, of course, we're going to have people that are going to hate everything or love everything. Of course. That's why the consensus is important because the consensus gives you a good idea of what's really good and what's really bad, you know? I mean, at the end of the day, everything kind of evens out, you know, and if a good movie is good or great, then that's what we're going to accept it as,

just because that's what everybody, the consensus said so, right? So, yeah, I mean, on the internet nowadays, people are going to hate the greatest fucking movie of all time, whatever that may be, but it is what it is, you know, to each his own. Right. Yeah, a night swim remake with Dane Dahan. Lance would, like, Hulk out, but in reverse where his pants bust off. It'll probably come out before Blade, too. Yeah, right.

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Let's see. In regards to 12 to midnight, Barbara Dean says, Glad I ain't the only one that thought that was Charles Bronson. Oh, what? Bronson. We're talking about Robert, Robert Bronsie.

In regards to Dawn of the Dead, David Barta says, how have I never seen this poster? Brian. Brian finds some obscure ones for sure. Yeah. Post in the group.

Yeah, let's go to the Facebook page, check it out. In regards to nine windows, Richard Stone says, the scariest operating system. Wah, wah, wah,

wah, I don't know, I thought it was pretty funny. Okay. Let's see. In regards to Agatha all along. Guy Demon Sinclair

says, I hope she sings science fiction double feature. Oh, the poster looked like Rocky Horror Picture show. Oh, got you. That Brian posted. Yeah, with the lips. Yeah, they did, they just recently for that show did like a whole bunch of posters

for paying homage to different horror movies and TV shows. Oh, okay. For whatever reason, I was to say, first of all, I'm looking forward to that show. I think it dropped today. I'm going to check it out later on.

Okay. But for whatever reason, and not that there's anything wrong with this, I'm just tripping out why they decided to go this route. During the premiere, they all said that it's like really super gay. And I'm like, okay. I mean, I'm glad to know that. But like, why are you focused on that? Yeah, like, they're saying, like, everything.

Are we back in the 80s all of a sudden or what? I don't know why that's the thing. I mean, just let it golly. Is Spicoli alive? It's the internet, Pedro. Something to get, something to have a conversation about. It doesn't need to be focused on. I'll tell you what.

Don't they learn from the acolyte? Like, I mean, I don't mind if a film woke or not work. This doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is a good story. But there's a lot of people out there that get very activated to use a psychology term. When you start talking about woke and gay and this and that and it's like, why why why why do you have to like you know instigate that kind of feedback you know i mean yeah it it just gets me when it's the actual actor's sexual orientation it does not have nothing to do with the character

that it gets brought up yes yes so i don't know i noticed that during the premiere i mean every actor in the show was saying it maybe they were told to say it like maybe they want to create that controversy so people could watch, but that kind of, that kind of strategy always backfires. Yeah, I was going to say, has that been working out for them lately. I mean, so I don't know, because, I mean, besides that, the show has gotten some positive feedback. It's gotten some good reviews. I know some of the critics got the first four episodes and they've been very high on it. So just let's just write that wave, you know, you don't need to create anything else or any kind of controversy or talking points. You know, so I don't know,

but I'm going to watch it. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I'll definitely watch this now that I know the first couple of episodes are coming up, I'll watch this before I watch the Ackleite. Just because I'm so fucking burned out on all the Star Wars shit. It's like overexposure with Star Wars for me. Yeah, you don't have to watch the Acolyte.

You don't have to watch. That's what I've heard. It takes place like 200 years before the main storyline, right? What main storyline? Luke Skywalker and Leia, man, right? That is not a main storyline. It's 200.

This might disagree. Okay. Well, and it's, Agatha all along kind of started out from a song to begin with, so you know it's going to have some musical stuff in it. Of course it's going to be gay. That's cool.

Whatever. To change topics a little bit, just, you know, to sidest wipe here, speaking of musicals and all that stuff, the Joker part do or whatever. Oh, yeah. Hachshad's part do or whatever the,

fuck they're calling it. It was trendy at over a hundred million, right? The opening weekend, which was a big deal. And then once they screened it, I think they screened it in Venice, Venice Film Festival. And people were saying that a majority of that film is like a musical. It's a straight

of musical. Which they were trying to hide. I know the marketing was trying to hide that. So now the projection went down to like a $60 million opening. So I think the fact that it is a, because I'm not high for it at all. Like, I'm not high for it. I mean, I'm not, I'm not either. I'm not. I still kind of want to watch it because it kind of seemed like, what's the director's name? Uh, Phillips?

Something. Oh, is it Todd Phillips? Todd Phillips. The comedy. It kind of made it kind of seem like he made this as to fuck you to the people that had issues with the first movie. Okay. Because they asked him straight up, is he doing a third one? He was like, nope. they all say that. I mean, Joaquin Phoenix said no to the second one when they asked him right after the first one. And look at it. Here he is. And here he is. Yeah. I think he should have said, no, that should have been a standalone movie.

I don't know what the fuck they're doing. This is going to be awful. I'm looking forward to it. You guys know I love musicals. Oh, my God. There you go. Brian hates him. Yeah, I'll watch it, but I will not be watching this in the theater. Neither am I. And that's a big thing for me to say. We have AMC.

we have dude we can Pedro you and I can see all the movies we wanted or three movies a week or whatever so you know yeah but you're not gonna be

watching my life that says alone I didn't even go watch the crow in the theater and the crow's like the original because I was like fuck that

like if I'm gonna be bored I'm just not gonna go anymore I don't care if I have that card you know yeah you know this is gonna be over two hours I hope so

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No, hopefully all musicals, Brian. It's the fucking Serbian No, we did that that fucking Longy Langsting. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's right. We did the musical episode. Okay. Been there, done that, huh? Lonnie Langston. Is that the porn name? All right. So featured attractions, we're going to check out

the brand new Speak No Evil and the 2002 Dutch movie that they based it on. We'll start with the original. Hi, Abel. Abel has some difficulty speaking. He has what you call

congenital aglossia, meaning basically he's born without a tongue. He's only a child for Christ's sake. You can't talk to him that way. What is wrong with you? We have a situation here. Someone left without saying goodbye.

So many things have felt so wrong. Because we do things differently? No one's forcing you to stay. But I really hope you do, because today is going to be a great day. A Danish family visits a Dutch family they met on a holiday. It was supposed to be an idealic weekend, slowly starts unraveling, as the Danes try to stay polite in the face of unpleasantness. Polite.

Yeah. Understatement. Yeah, that is a very understated plot line, but it makes sense at least. Yeah. Director is Christian Taftrop, also known for parents and a horrible woman. Writers are Christian Taftrip with Mads Taftrip. Very Norwegian-type name, so. Yeah.

Writer and director, Christian, got the idea. for the movie from his own experience while on holiday in Tuscany, where his family met a friendly, but somewhat socially awkward couple from the Netherlands. They got on very well, and the two families spent a lot of time together. When Taftrop returned home, he got an invitation from the Dutch family to stay with them in the Netherlands. This is my fucking nightmare. Taftrip briefly considered the offer, but decided not to take it, since he

felt it would be odd to stay with people he didn't really know. He never met them again, but couldn't stop thinking about what could have happened had he accepted. And some of his darkest ideas became the basis for this screenplay. Taftrip stresses that the movie is no more than a dark fantasy and that the Dutch couple from his own holiday were undoubtedly fine people. Disclamber. Philip, if there's two things I can't stand,

It's people that are intolerant of other people's cultures and... And the Dutch. Smoking a pancake. All right. Pedro, what do you think about Speak No Evil? Okay, so Lance reached out to me to see if I wanted to hang out with you guys this week's episode, and I'm like, I'm not going to watch that fucking movie ever again. Uh-oh. It's not because it's disturbing.

it's not because it's dark or any of that stuff. I have a hard time. And it is a cultural thing, right? It's a cultural thing. I have a hard time dealing with men that are straight up pussies. I just can't do it. Again, if it's ignorance talking right now, I apologize, whatever the case may be.

That third act and that movie pissed me off so much. Yeah. Because the level... You ain't the only one, brother. That guy was so fucking weird. week. Like, he gets stone to death. Stone. Not shot. Not burned. Not staff. Old school. Stone to death. From a distance. From a distance. That's right. Right. Take off your clothes and walking the hole. Okay. Okay. But as naked. You know, but as naked. And you could tell that it was very cold that night. That's all I'll say about that. And so it's like,

And when this film came out on Shudder, everybody was saying, oh, and so the ending, the ending left everybody talking. But I thought it was such a cop-up because they left everybody talking for the wrong reasons. Like, I think especially it was a culture shock for, for like Americans watching it because you have to take care of your family, right? You have to, I always feel like, this is how I've always felt. If you're in a situation when it's life or death, you fight. You fight because you're going to die anyway. And I'm, I've unfortunately been in situations like that. where it's like you just got to do whatever you can like because it's the result's probably going to be the

same and this fucking guy didn't do anything you know he got like emasculated so bad neither one of them did the wife didn't either that's right she could have stamped the chick in the banksy for a minute right so on this rewatch i noticed i'll just wait sorry it didn't me to cut you off no no it's okay uh just and it also came up as very privileged too because right i don't know i don't know if they were very naive, right? They were very gullible. Like, don't they know how the world works? The world is very bad and mean and cruel.

And yet, here they were all fucking willy-nilly. I think that was kind of the point, though. Yeah, that's true. But again, it came from a very privileged perspective because anybody that grew up, how I grew up, wouldn't see it that way. Like, it's like, you have to fucking survive, you know? And it's every person for themselves at times.

And yet here they were. So I couldn't really connect to it in that sense. I will say that the first half, both of the first halves of these movies are very engaging and you're never bored. I mean, you go through this and you're wondering what the fuck's happening here. I think the third act for both movies, I really enjoy the American version. I think it changed a lot of the stuff that this one got wrong. But I feel like what happened to the kid in this one, Abo, I think is his name. That was fucked up, you know?

Yeah. this poor little kid he didn't deserve that you know and especially because we find out later he wasn't even their kid so that poor kid gets no fucking redeeming arc whatsoever he just fucking dies but yeah

so that's kind of my takeaway like you know it's the first half is really like I say you're into it you kind of want to know where this is going and maybe it's the way we've been preconditioned right because again I think the American version which we'll get into is more by the numbers, which is kind of like, that's kind of like the films that I've consumed because they're very Americanized. So maybe I was expecting more at the end, not just kind of

like this very passive ending, you know, especially with the, with the protagonist. Passive or flaccid? Well, both. So, so, yeah, I mean, it just pissed me off for the wrong It'd be way weirder if he was hard. Just saying. So anyways, I'm not, I'm not going to get into the plot point series because a lot of them are with the American version as well. So I'll talk, I'll get more into details with the American version of it. But I just got to say that third act kind of really turned me off to this film for the wrong reasons. You know, it wasn't a cool twist. It wasn't anything like that.

It was just a fucking pussy that didn't fight back. And it bothered me. It fucking triggered me in a way. And ever since then, I'm like, I'm never want to watch this. understandable you know um i do like some of the stuff that happens uh some of the weird passive aggressive behavior um some of the weird behavior by a uh i guess i guess in the american is a it's a british couple right and then in this one is the dutch couple um yeah i i kind of like how like the american version did it better too you know like all the build-up to to all the weird

behavior. But yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at with this movie. Didn't really like it, especially the ending. Okay, Nez joining us. What did you think about the original Speak No Evil? Well, there was the original? I didn't even know that. What is it? It's the, is it Dutch or is it Danish? I don't know. Danish, Dutch, Brian, help us out. Either or it came out in 2020. It's European. it's called same title yeah oh you haven't seen that one oh geez i might have seen it oh you got to watch

it all right you would have known it if you had seen it because a lot of it is like scene for scene anyway so same same same setup no no not same pussy dad they're both set up but they're not the same pussy yeah same setup but there's some changes but like a lot yeah a lot of the setup is like almost scene for scene. All right. Well, we'll move on to Brian. What did you think about the original? It's a good movie, but this movie frustrates and pisses me off so much.

I cannot relate to this family. I cannot relate to the father. You're not going to beat me up in the car. First of all, you're not going to get out and go take a piss, knowing that I'm just going to sit there and do nothing. right not gonna happen and knowing my wife my my kids

is mom you're not she's not gonna sit there and let my let our daughter's tongue be cut out in front of them right yeah mama bear's not having that I promise you and I noticed something interesting with the mom because she was a little bit more aggressive

or had a little bit more authority to her but there was a scene when I think it was after they came back for the bunny or one of those scenes where she didn't want anybody to see her get emotional. So she went outside. I don't know if that's a cultural thing. I think a lot of American people do that too, you know.

They want to hire her. You ain't met my wife. I mean, I thought the acting was well. The story was well told. It just, it pisses me off. just so many times throughout this movie, just get the fuck out of there. Just go.

Mm-hmm. And it doesn't happen. But, you know, maybe the movie's supposed to frustrate you like that. I don't know. If it is, then it's... Good job,

because it did. This is on Shudder, right? Yeah, it was a Shudder original. Oh, I did see this. Okay. Oh, shit, I didn't realize it was a remake. Mm-hmm. Same.

Yeah, same. same plot. Just so many, so many red flags. I'm not, I'm in another country. I'm not leaving my daughter with somebody else's

babysitter that they called, no, and it's a man too, and I have a daughter. No. Right. That was what I was like, oh, my wife would not be okay with that.

Not happening. You guys go have dinner. But, Part of it can kind of be explained away with like cultural differences in this one because like I guess the Danish and the Dutch are maybe slightly different. And so they're sort of like working on this couple's culture and they're in Rome. I mean, you got to draw the line somewhere. I'm a vegetarian here. Stick this piece of meat in my mouth even though I just told you I don't eat meat. Right. But in this like the way that they did it in this one, I feel like it was, it was.

It could have very easily been forgotten. And she just didn't say anything because she was trying to be polite. I guess. You know, as far as like the themes, like I get it. I mean, there's that whole thing of like social conformity, right? Which we all go through. Like sometimes we're in a situation where we meet very awkward people, whether I comply with the culture. Yeah.

And we're like, let's see where this goes. They're a little weird, this or that. But there was no nuance here. It was all or nothing. Like they were too far on the. weak side. Like, yeah. If maybe we would have gotten a little more of a pushback, right, a little more of a pushback. Even, even, even that whole, like, bunny scene or whatever, stuff to animal, whatever, like, in the, they kind of fixed it in the American version where it makes a little more

sense why they go back. Yeah. And this one, they just straight out go back. And I'm like, why? You already know you're in danger. At that point, we know you're in danger. Fuck the fucking stuffed animal. Just keep on going, you know? Yeah, fuck that fucking rabbit. Coincidentally, my youngest daughter still has a stuff rabbit. We've gone back many times to go find it. But it was never in a situation where I thought my family's in danger. Right. Yeah, she'll get over it.

Trust me, she'll get over it. Yeah. Well, and actually, that scene, I kind of liked better in this one because I feel like it made more, like, man, I hate to get into it. I think it made more sense. second one yeah i feel like okay because i feel like in the american version she just suddenly i i mean i know that they brought up the rabbit a little earlier but she just suddenly has this like because she almost seems a little bit more grown in the american and in the american and

and like when she starts freaking out over the stupid fucking yeah when she starts freaking out over the stupid fucking rabbit thing you're like what are we doing yeah and she and she kicks her dad pretty hard right right just added no But like in in this one when she's freaking out over the rabbit, it's because they're babying their kid. It's because these fucking people are too nice. And they're just completely innocent running through the world and expecting evil to not be there. And so they're just completely trusting and they just super privileged. Right.

And it's it's it's it's almost a like a cautionary tale, I think is what this one is. Yeah, don't vacation with strangers. Yeah, when red flags start going off, you gotta fucking get out. What are you doing? And don't get me started on the, don't get me started on the last scene. Oh my God. Hit with rocks to death. Oh, yeah, no.

You guys ever seen that movie Apocalyptic? Yes. Yeah. When they're running, when they're throwing spears at them and they're running the zigzagging. Yeah. Yeah, the Mel Gibson movie. Yeah. I you wouldn't you

why don't you just get I didn't know how to that point to fucking begin with all they did was what did they he had a gun or something I can't even remember he had nothing

no guy that's what I'm saying that's why that's why the scene when he gets after he kid gets them back they're driving back to the house or whatever he gets out to take a piss

because he knows this fucking guy is not going to do anything right he has that much control over him yeah what a week no never happened never and i actually like uh the um lancho go last i'm sorry i actually like the uh the relationship

in this one that the um that the two guys have because it feels like it's more like he's finally sort of getting to hang out with the guys again or whatever and his wife is just sort of nagging at him yes and he's he's he's not quite seeing some of the signs because they're a little more subtle and his wife just sort of seems like a nag the whole time until you know it gets worse but then Philip Philip the guy's the neighbor the neighbor that divide him is driving and he's like singing their fucking Dutch romance song to him

while they're driving and that's kind of weird right yeah no that was kind of weird when he was looking at him in his eyes singing the ultimate romance right this guy's so pussy wolf he's also pussy wolf He's not just a pussy in real life. He's also pussy. Not in real life.

I mean, I don't know. Right. You could tell she wears the pants in that, in that relationship. Yeah, for sure. And it's just, I don't know. I just, I mean, I just don't, I just cannot imagine any guy being like this. I can't. I even like the weakest guy I know.

Yeah, it's real. So to me, it goes from being something that's grounded to something that's being utterly ridiculous, especially at the end. Like an allegory, right? Yeah. And it's like, I mean, I guess if the, if the, if the, if the, If the main theme of the film is that like good people, not good people, gullible people, are, they get, they, you know, they don't make it in the world.

Maybe that's what he was trying to say. Like, if you're, I think so, I think so. That's what, but, but this was way over the line when it comes to it. Also, there, there are some cultural differences here, too, because, I mean, like, you know, I'm kind of just talking out of my ass, but I'm pretty sure, like, Norwegian people, like the Danes and that kind of shit are probably really extra stupid polite. right well that's a european thing right i mean well Lars is listening to us and yelling go to France hey I guarantee you Lars from Denmark is fucking yelling at us right now

well I mean okay so I don't know if they have that reputation I guess I was just like you know in Japan they're like polite to a fault correct right I would assume that they're probably a lot like that in some of the Nordic countries too where they're just Oh, even though this is really shitty and I don't like you at all, I'm going to be polite.

I don't know. I hear what you're saying. But when you get in the position to where you know your family is going to die. Right. Yeah. No, it's time to flip the switch. And you still do nothing. Yeah, because this has nothing to do with being polite.

At the end, it's about survival. You got to take care of your family. It's got nothing to do with being nice or polite or whatever, having manners. It's about this guy's going to kill me and my, and he just cut the tongue out of my. my daughter right in front of me. You know, like, I got to do something. Like, you know, we, we have like this feral fucking instinct within us with the

fucking lizard brain that goes into attack mode when it's time. And this fucking I didn't do it. He had no fight. You see those punches he was throwing? And the guy, the guy just had the headbutt him one time. It's because he never had to. He's never had any strife in his life. There you go.

Yeah. Cautionary sale. Yeah. Well, the world's not like that. I don't have to be like that. It's not peaches and cream all the time. And then suddenly you run into somebody who is and now you're fucked. And with the pacification of America that we're currently in.

Yes. We all better watch out because, hey, that's where we're going. So you know what? I changed my mind. This is a huge warning sign. This is a very important film in our history. So we need to embrace it more. This should be in the National Library, right?

Don't be this guy. Look at his little weird, uncut penis hanging out there. All right, Lance, what'd you think? All right, so look, I'm going to make it this short and sweet. We've covered a lot in talking about this movie. All I'm going to say is that, so we're in our new house. Everything's like heaven right now, right? We're all super happy.

We're in a new house. We're in Florida. It's like, yes, life is good. And then AJ says What is that? I'm in my training room I'm in my training room. So AJ says,

what movies are y'all covering this week? I said, Speak No Evil. She said, Oh, I want to see that. I saw the trailer with you. Which, how can she avoid it?

I saw it like at least two dozen times. Yeah. Watching movies at AMC. They're really overexposed in the new movie. But that being said, I'm like, okay, cool. Do you want to watch the original? Yeah, yeah, I watched the original with you.

I said, cool. That way, you know, you kind of get to see both of them. And I'm like, so, you know, we're happy in our house. I get a bottle of wine. I put it on ice. I put some candles on, turn it on the Barry White. All right, let's watch the movie now. This is not a sexy time movie, right?

Let's watch the movie now, baby. She probably thought it was that Richard Pryor-Gin Wilder remake or something. You know what? That would have been better. That would have been better for me. because here's how it turned out. So we're like a third of the way through the movie. She's like, wow, this is really interesting.

Wow, cool, great. Wow, this is like, it really makes you, it's very scary. Like she noticed and she's right, the music, like even at the beginning where it's a hopeful scene where they're all on holiday in Italy. And the music's like, bong, bum, bong. Yeah, it's like super dreadful. So she's like, wow, this is pretty good. And then the second scene, she's like, wow, I can't wait to see what happens. I can't wait to see how they get revenge on him.

Third scene comes on. The end of the movie comes on. She grabs the fucking remote, throws it across the room and says, fuck you. Good night. Slams the door. I'm like, eh, wah, wah. We're just like the steak I ever made, man.

Oh, my God. I did not get laid. End of story. We've talked enough about this. Can we move on to the Americanized version, please? I like that. See, even her, see, and this is going to sound sexist or whatever. I don't care. Even a female saw how emasculated this motherfucker got at the end.

Oh, yeah. You can't not see it. And she had some primal rage out of that, right? Because it's our animalistic instinct. Like, why didn't this fucking guy protect her family? Why didn't he protect himself? Fuck that. Lansing getting late tonight.

I'm going to bed. That's it. That's where it ended. Well, listen. And see, and I always. have to kind of be the voice of reason, like with my wife, because she sometimes looks a little too into things. And, like, if she's getting mad about something, and I'm like, listen, they didn't mean it that way. It's okay. All right. We're all right. And so I've been in that position before.

But, like, dude, I, like, weird thing number two, and we'd have been the fuck out of there. Like, way before. Fuck the rabbit, though. It was kind of like a paranormal activity when you're like, Just get out of the fucking house. What are you doing? True, true. All right. Let's move on to the new one. Scores.

Oh, scores. My bad. I can do this. Stop changing a format, Phil. I'm trying. Pedro, what's your score? I'm going to go five on ten on this one. Oh, out.

Ouch. Yes. That ending really upset me. I don't even think it's based on reality. that's how bad I think it is. But I'm not going to go any lower because at the same time it was shot beautifully. The first half, again, it's very tense and you want to know where they're going. It keeps you engaged.

The performances, I mean, hey, if the guy's acting, I want to hope that the actor's not that much of a pussy. So he did a good job acting like a pussy. So, yeah, I mean, I'm going to go five on ten. I think that's fair. All right. Nezzi, do you have a score for this one or no? Yeah, I remember. I'm about a five. It was, it was all right. All right. So, so.

That guy was pissing me off, man. I would have knocked that full out just because. Yeah, it took me a minute. I was there. I was like, my way. When I started looking at pictures, I went, okay, I remember this. Yeah. Yeah, I'm about a five. Just because of the cinematography and acting, even though it pissed me off so much, I'm going to go a little bit higher and do 5.5. I want to be the high man on the total poll today. I'm going to give it a seven, man. I think that part of the point of it was those reactions right there.

And I like that. It was, I, because I had the same view of it after I first watched it. And then on this rewatch, I was like, you know what? I think I like this one better. Yeah, like I said earlier, that seems to be the consensus. Like a lot of people liked it when it first premiere on Shutter, they were saying, oh, you're not going to believe the ending this or that. So there's something to that.

So you're right, Philip. I mean, I think the whole point of this film was to get us talking like this and hopefully learn from it, right? So that did its job, so that's good. Don't be a wiener. A vener. I'm actually going seven and a half. I think for all the reasons Philip just said, this movie, it gets a reaction. It gets your emotion.

And, I mean, it's a well-filled movie. It's a great idea. It's a great plotline. And it's a super dark ending. So I got to go seven and a half. I mean, this movie really affected me in a bad way with the wife, unfortunately. But, you know, got to give credit where credits do. The filmmaker knew what he was doing.

I mean, for fuck's sake, for it to be remade two years after, that's saying something. So for me, seven and a half. So Philip, I'm up there on the top of the, near the top of the totem pole with you, man. It's a good thing. So the Hollywood has no ideas. Well, we're going to find one of them right now. Yeah. Yeah.

Two thousand twenty-four speak no evil. This is my husband Ben. Patrick Feld. This is my wife, Kira. This is Agnes. And has some trouble communicating. You can be a bit insecure. Nice, Bespah.

Yeah, isn't she? You should try. Yeah, we? I won't call the fun police if you don't. I'll do. Back before I quit my practice. You're a lawyer. Doctor, listen, you have to come and visit.

Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah? Yeah. Done. It's so quiet around here. They even have any neighbors? Hey, hey, you've made it. Welcome, welcome.

Tadda! You are VIP guests. Just to remind you I'm a vegetarian. Our gift to you. That is so... I'm... ...awee's doctor's orders. Hmm.

Very good. Yeah. Settle in. I promise you guys. Could be a great weekend. Um, a family is invited to spend a whole weekend. in a lonely home in countryside, but the weakness you, blah, blah, you get it. It's the same

movie. Director and writer is James Watkins, also known for Eden Lake. Oh, the same guy's Eden Lake. That one's a miserable fucking movie, too, in it? In the best way. That's a movie where you need to punch some kids. Yeah.

James McAvoy stated that he purposely didn't watch the original Danish film before he started work on this remake so that it wouldn't influence his interpretation of the role. He watched it within 24 hours after filming was concluded and was very impressed. Interesting. All right. Pedro, what do you think about the new one? There's a whole different story, man.

I watched it today, and I really had a good time with it. Again, it was Americanized, you know, call me ignorant, whatever you want, but I really enjoy that it went more of a buy-the-numbers route. I do have issues as well with the third act and we'll get to it during spoilers. But no, I mean, this was the James McAvoy show. I mean, this motherfucker carried this film on his back and he really fucking delivered. I mean, he was a maniac in this movie and every which way, shape, or form. I mean, the way he looked, the way he acted, he was yoked up, everything.

And so even the girl that played his wife, right? She was also pretty good in it. everybody did a good job the the cinematography was great i love i love the how it looked the setting was awesome um and also again we talked earlier how the first one didn't it was really all or nothing this one had a little more nuance to it there was motivations to it like the like the american couple was going through their own shit so there was already like a like a crack there and and you know the i guess it was the british couple just took advantage of that um so so so there was there was more logic to the reason why they were so passive because they weren't really being passive. I mean, it was

more, um, they had their own issues going on. And as they're trying to cope with that, and they, and there was a lot of scenes that made us understand that, right? Um, I guess I guess some dudes, well, I'm not going to get into spoilers yet. Um, but, um, yeah, so I really like that, like, like you feel more connected to them because again, there, it is, it's more grounded. Um, I thought, I thought the girlfriend, or I guess it was his wife, James McAvoy's wife. I thought she also did a very good job. She's quite the look or two, by the way. Pretty sexy, huh?

Yeah, yeah, especially. Unlike the chick in the first movie. Cute little psycho. And they usually are, Philip. Yeah, that's true. When they're jumping off that clip into the water, I mean, everybody gets the show, whether you're female or male, because James McAvoy goes down to his little heights there and gives everyone a show.

The skibbies, yes. And the dialogue, I mean, again, because it was English dialogue, so it was more tailored towards me. It was just, this guy was very charismatic, you know, James McAway was very charismatic and stuff. And so I really like this one a lot, you know. I want to say a lot, but it was better than the original, for sure. So that's kind of where I'm at.

Ness, what do you think? I like this one. I thought it was good. James McAvoy can do no wrong. Boy, if he hadn't already played Professor X. Tell me, he didn't look like fucking Wolverine in this movie. No. Oh, I didn't even think about that.

Yeah, the bunny thing, it was basically, like, the original. But that was pissing me off, too. Even my wife, she never seen me either. She didn't see the original. So she was like, just go, go, what's the matter with them? I will say, we had somebody doing that in the movie theater. We were the loudest two. We were the loudest two in the theater.

The James McElwoy's family, I really liked them. And that little boy, just playing the role. I'm not talking and just doing his body language. I thought he was really good. The scenery, I loved. I've never been over there, but I thought all that was pretty sweet. It was just the main family that bugged the hell out of me. The wife, the husband, the daughter.

I mean, well, I can't put too much on the daughter. I mean, that's just how kids are. But the dad was bugging the hell out of me. And I was just like, man, I mean, be a man. Yeah, I know your wife was banging someone else. But come on, man, be a man. That was one half of the killer from the original screen, guys. Now, when we get to spoilers,

I have a question on if she was or if she wasn't. I think she was just thinking, like, almost to the point, but didn't actually do it. Yeah, okay. That's what I got that? She wasn't what now? Sleeping with somebody else. Oh.

I don't think she was, but it doesn't know what to think. She wasn't, but she got into her dick pics. Spoil, yeah, spoilers. He said he found a dick pick on her phone. Well, was Goodman, Mary also plays a pussy in this movie? Not as much as the other guy, but he's also very passive. Those dickpicks aren't always requested, though, guys. FYI.

Listen, my wife gets a dick pick. We're about to have a fucking problem. Either she is or the guy that sent it, right? Yeah, we're both. But there again, again, we're giving motivation for them to already go into the film, kind of like not in their full mind, you know? They're already a broken couple. Which is a good twist.

I like that twist, guys. Yeah, and it gives reasons for the killers to prey on them, right? Because they're going through their own stuff. They don't have clarity in that moment because it's like she tells James McAvoy when, well, I'm not going to get into spoilers. I almost fucked up right there. Is that a big spoiler, though? No, no, no.

It's not in this fucking movie, man, because we, like, just went over the first one, and I was trying not to get spoilers away for this one. Hey, the only big spoiler here is whether it ends the same way as the first. Well, I was going to say there. There's a couple, again, there's subtlety to this. Obviously. She does tell James McAvoy, like, you're not going to visit us in London because we're not going to be a couple anymore, you know?

And she's not only talking to him. I think she's also talking to Skud McNary's character. Absolutely. Which is a very, it's a pretty cool scene in the movie. I think she was totally trying to play that off, yeah. Yeah, women can be duplicitous. Yes, that's right. That's right.

And also another cool thing about this film that I like is how much more character. character development the kid got, you know? Right. Well, they call him ant in this movie for some reason, just ant. Ant. Which is a weird name. Well, I think it's like, it's like a thing of saying he's

probably like an ant. I don't know. I don't know what they're trying to do, but his name's aunt. Kind of like, aunt got your tongue? I don't know. And I like that little twist where like... What? Instead of cat got your tongue? I don't know. McAvoy did use that line on him in the film. That's a stretch.

To be a fucking. with him. There's also a cool scene there where he's trying to communicate with the girl, but he's a foreigner, so he writes in his own language. Yeah. I can't fucking read this thing. So, you know, those little subtleties and nuances really added to the movie. There was a lot of them throughout.

There's so much storytelling, nonverbal storytelling, and a lot of the things that we see here. I'll even go as far as to say, you know, James McAvoy's wife. You know, we don't know if she was a victim or not, right? I mean, we don't, I mean, there's a scene at the end of the movie. Yeah. That James McAvoy says that tells me that this girl probably got brainwashed the same way that he had been doing with the other families as well. But we'll get to it. That will, we'll say for spoilers.

But, yeah, no, they really added it. What this film did is that it really patted the original. And I like that. It really worked between the layers to really give us a more rounded story. And it worked, you know? So that's good. And you can't really blame the original on that because they didn't have no reference point, right? The American version had a reference point from the original, but the original didn't.

So it's no fault of theirs. So that's why I really enjoy this movie more. Brian, did you go? No. I like this one more than I like the original one. It kind of fixed the problems with me. It's the same beats, for the most part. There's a couple of variations of certain scenes.

But I thought when we got to the third ad, it was much more believable for me for the most part more so I think McKenzie Davis is her name she was great yeah and I hated Scoot Mcweeney he was so ghost face killer I couldn't with him throughout this movie yeah I really couldn't yeah James McAvoy I think knocked it out the park He was at times charming and then sinister and creepy at other times. I kind of wanted to win. Wolverine.

There was a lot of scenes. There was a lot of scenes with the boy aunt that him and James McAvoy had in alone that I thought were great. That kind of showed you a little bit more of James McAvoy's character. That's true. I was kind of reading for him there, too, to be honest with you. I hate to say that, but. And the bunny scene, still stupid, but I think they gave it a better situation. See, I felt like it came out of nowhere in this one.

Because she like him to know where for the fucking bunny all of a sudden. I'm like, bitch, you're like 12. What are you doing? I know. 18 year old kid wanting a bunny, right? She was nowhere near 18, Lance. I know, but I'm being, I'm making a, trying to make a point. All right.

what's your point that she was too fucking old to be that worried about a fucking bunny but it could have been she wasn't a toddler for fuck's sake yeah but it looked like she had emotional problems and it could have been a stress coping yeah

and they definitely had a scene earlier in the movie where they talked about it and sort of you know foreshadowed a little bit I see what you're saying Phil it didn't come up again until they were in the car and it's like oh suddenly this is the reason that we have to go back

yeah I see what you're don't want to go back. I see what you're saying. They kind of brushed over it with the comment earlier. If they would have just kind of showed you a little bit more earlier. And maybe I feel like it was in, because some things happened in like a little bit different order of events. A little bit.

I get, I don't know. But we'll talk about it as spoilers. Okay, yeah, I was going to say the reason why the bunny disappeared in this one was explained more so than in the original. Because in the original, she just forgot it like a dumbass. Right. And this one, there was a reason why it wasn't in the bag. Fuck it, I just spoiled it.

And so it leads to a later scene in the latter, which was, to me, was comedic. But anyways, just the way that James McAway was fucking with him when he was holding the ladder. That was comedic. Did I miss something? Did they

explain the bunny to him to James McAvoy? No, no, I don't know why he would know that that was such a thing, but I think such a totem, huh? I think it's just him observing. Yeah. But they've done this so many times. He's good at reading people.

I like that. I like that theory, Brian. He's like an apex predator, right? Just always watching. And I was going to say, because I can't remember. No, I. I guess some overly weird shit had already happened with them when they had left in the middle of the night in the first movie where you wouldn't have turned around for that fucking bunny. No, there was no...

And the first movie is stupid why they go back for the bunny. Like, well, they're both stupid in both movies, but... But I thought some more shit had happened in this one that was like even more... More build-up, right? More extreme where they're like, we got to get the fuck out of here. Well, yeah, what about the daughter being in a particular bed? What about that, dude? Like, that's pretty fucked up.

That's what got them going. Oh, yeah. See, and that's where, that's where shit. Yeah, no, my wife wouldn't have been having this shit. Problem D. Start. That would have been that quick, huh? And I would have been the one being like, oh, it's okay. And she's like, no, fuck that.

Let's go. Give her a chance. It's a cultural difference. Give her a chance to fucking sleep next to James McAvoy and his black skivies, bro. Come on. good idea. That's the point where at least you got to go, all right, we got to go now. If nothing else, you're worried about it bucking your wife, man.

Hell yeah. I mean, the way he looked. They were weird, too. They acted like they were swingers. And they did in the original. They said they like to eat out at different restaurants sometimes. Yeah, that's right. I was like, all right, it's time to go.

Or maybe not. I mean, she was hot. I'm sorry, Brian. I didn't mean to stop you in the middle of that, bro. Oh, no. I'm going to pass it over to Lance because I think we're dangerously getting into the third. I'm sorry. We're in the Crow territory already.

We're almost getting to the Crow territory, so let's just keep it moving. Yeah, Lance, go ahead. Oh, my God. Was I ever worried about this movie, guys? I swear to God, I've got that AMC. card like Pedro does. And so I see, you know, four to six movies at least every single month. And I swear to God, this fucking trailer was in at least 90% of the fucking movies that I would go to see.

I would see this trailer over and over and over and over at least three dozen times. And I'm like, holy fucking shit. You got to give them credit, though. It was the same trailer. You know what, Brian? They didn't show you trailer number two, trailer number three. TV spots. You know what?

Yeah, that's true. Fair point. And some of it was different than the movie. Yes, it was. And it was very misleading. Very misleading because I was halfway through this movie and I thought, here we go again. It's a shot for shot remake. Because every scene in the fucking trailer, except the one where they jumped off the cliff and they got down to their skivis, that was a little bit different.

But other than that, but it was still the same spirit. right but other than that every fucking line every scene every all every bit of the dialogue was literally lifted literally directly from the original movie and I thought here we fucking go again and then I realized that

the director did fucking Eden Lake and I'm like oh no I can't do this again AJ sitting over there almost grabbed her and directed her out of the theater and I said have faith baby have faith so oh my God I was so

worried, but you know what? I enjoyed it. James McAvoy was an absolute force of nature. In my opinion, I'm going to say this is his best role ever. This is better than that. No, I'm sorry. My opinion, guys, he was better in this and more suited to this role than he was his Professor X, than he was in the fucking M-night movie. Anything he's ever done. I love his close movie. All right, so what's it? Wait, wait. My opinion. All right, so what's his best that's this one he's saying I know but what are you guys I just revealed it

just to say he's better in this that split is amazing wild is wrong I'm going split nope I'm going with this one and I'm also going to tell you this

he was in a really good movie where you played like a Scottish guy that was based on the novel I can't remember the name of it but like on the book cover he's writing a pig and a lot of people say oh that's his best rule ever I think this was even better than that.

But I'll be quiet now since everybody's disagreeing with me, and we'll move on to the spoiler territory. Well, just about his best role. I think he did pretty awesome. I loved it. I thought he was great. Just so I think that the original movie had more to say. This was probably more entertaining.

Yes. But I sort of liked... This one was fluffier. This one was fluffier. I feel like I liked the feel of the... Like the first. Yeah. I feel like I like the feel of the first movie better.

Just because it is so uncomfortable, you know, it's like, it's one that fucking sticks with you. Except as nasty. It's nasty. Yeah. But, uh, but I did enjoy this. I, I, I like that they didn't quite keep it the same. James McAvoy is amazing in everything that he does. Man, he might be my new favorite actor, you know, like.

you put him in the credits and I'm going to go see it. Like he's kind of badass. The guy wasn't, he was still a big wiener in this one. And I feel like it was like a little bit overly done. Okay. And then maybe some of the reasoning, but we'll wait till spoilers for that. I got, I'm, I'm going to go ahead and give my score first because I'm going to give it a seven the same as I gave the first one. I still give the first one a slight edge over this one,

just because I feel like it had more to say. A little darker maybe? Yeah, a little darker. All right. Pedro, score? I'm going to go seven, seven on ten for this one. I also really enjoyed it. Yeah, I think you're right.

I think this is more for consumption to a general audience, so you want to keep it a little safer, you know, stuff like that, whereas the first one was more of an art film, which a lot of these European films tend to be. So they're not really thinking about profits. They're thinking more. like I have something to say. So yeah, you could see the big difference there.

And so, but this one to me, I mean, again, I had a lot of fun watching it, everything about we just talked about. So I'm going to go seven on ten with this one. James McAvoy, his wife and his kid, that boy, they get a 10. I thought they were awesome. But the movie in a whole, I'll give it a joke. I really enjoy it. Nice. All right. Good score.

Not bad. Not bad. Brian? Seven and a half. Lance? Eight on ten. Eight on ten. I like it better than the original. Nice.

I wonder if this movie's hovering top five for you right now. Lance here in September 18. It's hovering top ten, not top five. Okay. So you're about... I've already... Yeah, there's already five I like better. But hey, it's up there, man.

Night swim one. We know that. So, Night swim one. No, nights when I gave a six to you fucking asshole. You gave it a what? Number one movie any year. Stop it. Move on.

Go on. Who are you watching? Are we on spoilers? Now we're in spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Scoot McQueenie. did nothing in this movie. Yeah. He had one opportunity to finish it. He did not. His daughter did more than him.

McKenzie Davis, who played his wife. I think she got the most kills. Oh, for sure. Well, his only who arely act was falling off the fucking roof, dumbass. That's what I was... Those are the little... the little nitpicky changes some of them that they made like they made her like the boss babe that killed everybody

i was like come the fuck on okay and and the and and the and and the and the reasoning for why he did it in the first place because like in the original movie he was like well because you let us and they said that line in all fairness philip sort of but and so it was kind of like the strangers because you were home right you know Because you let us. And I think that that was great the way it was. But then they started, you know, it wasn't just because they let you. It was because, oh, I don't like your ideology. Because you're a vegetarian piece of shit, whatever.

I didn't like the rest of them stealing the money out of their bank either. That's the twist with them stealing the money out of the bank was fucking stupid. Yeah. That's what I didn't like that. What are you going to say, that's what they do. That's what they do. I know. Yeah.

That was a price of them do. doing it all. There was other they that was another thing different than the remake. There was more than just the one guy that came to cut out the girl's tongue involved. There was the restaurant owner or cook or whatever he was was involved.

How many people disappear and then their entire account gets wiped out and they can't trace that money? I honestly thought guys let me say something real quick because you don't know how much I love Folk Horror and stuff like that I honestly thought that there was going to be a subplot

that they were all like in a like some kind of weird British cult you know out in the countryside and stuff like that I really saw that coming and it didn't co-walesce. Maybe they were we didn't get that part of the story. They didn't go that far with it but they they told more than the first movie did right Pedro?

No for sure for sure um they were all up in it with Epstein that third that third has a shadow proof windshields And P. Did he, apparently. Yeah, what kind of shotgun was they shooting? It barely did anything to that windshield. That's what I was saying.

I was like, that bitch is shooting birdshot. Go charge his ass. Yeah, but I did like the fact that that car was very super expensive to the point that James McAvoy had already sold it. You know, he has a throwaway line where he has a buyer. So they really put over that car. But a couple of things. I thought the third act was very Americanized, right?

Very like, cathartic. Oh, yeah, that's what I wanted. That was like... Kind of reminded me of, what's that movie? Straw Dogs? Yes, yes. Totally get straw dog vibes. This was the family getting out of work at 530,

going to watch the movies and just having a good time. Yes, yes. And that's what I needed. Using that cathartic feeling in the third act where that's my boss, that's all the people that you hate and you're seeing it, you know, pay off there. It did become... Falling down. Right.

It did become very homolone. which I didn't like, you know, it's like, all of a sudden, the heels, the bad guys were very clumsy. All of a sudden, this is their first time doing this, you know? And so that bothered me. That bothered me. That bothered me. Fuck it, Marv. The wet bandits.

I was waiting for the little girl to throw the micro machines on the floor so that Jay McEwork could slip on them and stuff, you know. So did Patty brainwash that chick? Yes. Yes. And I'm going to tell you why. Because at the end, when he has the daughter, he's like, she can't take care of me no more. So she's going to take care of him. Right. Oh, yeah. So to me, that was a big giveaway of like he's done. He did that to her as well. And then he just brainwashed her, right? Because he probably has to keep her. So this guy is also a pedophile to boot. Although, doesn't make her any less of a bad guy. True. True. But she was a crazy bitch. Let's put it that way. Oh, hey, before we go on, Naz, what's your cool of the week? I forgot to ask you. Coolest thing you've seen or checked out this week, Naz.

Oh, night flight plus. What are you thinking, brother? Oh, yeah, dude, that's awesome. I was up all night watching just the videos. I wasn't even watching the movies. I was watching all the videos. I was too, man. Yeah, that's probably my cool of the week, that night flight.

Right on, brother. Thanks. All right. Two old codgers. Y'all, go ahead, kids. Sorry. Where were we at?

Yeah, we're talking. Where are we at? Sorry. We were just, go ahead. I was going to say, so the third act, although it was American ice, it was cool.

I liked it. I saw it for what it was. It was varied by the numbers. Again, all of a sudden, it was like a wrestling match. It was time for the good guys to make their comeback. They did their finisher.

They dropped the big leg. and they want you to let's go home um that that was the big difference from the original uh and so again i i liked it and and so i went with it um i like the development of the kid um he didn't die in this one thank god he did get thrown into the the lake i i do like a little another little subtlety in this film where they show you that he can't swim when they when they when they do that little swan dive from the rock into the lake yes yes yes Yes, they set that up. I didn't, I just realized that.

And at that point, you're wondering, like, this is their lifestyle. Why wouldn't the quote-unquote dad show him how to swim? But that's because that's not his kid. But we didn't know that at that time. So again, I like those little subtleties that they sprinkled throughout the entire movie. Well, he seems like if he, if it was his kid, he seemed like he'd throw him in the water and let him figure it out himself. Sure, sure. Yes.

But at the same time, he would have thrown them a bunch of time. As a parent, I'd have left that fucking kid to drown. Sorry. I'm taking care of my family Yeah, I know I would have been the fuck out of there too probably Oh, you're talking about Scoot McQueenie. Yeah, Scootie, Scootie, Scootie.

Yeah, but this is when you Pick a time to grow a pair of fucking balls. I know. You're already out, just keep going. Yeah. Or at the very least drive that Tesla out of the gates because then all these macaworthy, all he did it was press the button and like,

Okay, you're fucked too. Not only a Scoot McGweeney fuck, the whole family is fucked because I'm about to close these gates again. I was like, that big ass electric thing's got to have some weight behind it. It ought to knock a gate open. Those are fucking heavy. Philip, you know, I've got an electric car. They're almost like twice the weight. That's what I'm saying. Hey, man. Gravity times force. Right. And then I think they fucked up. It is like a small little little nitpick. But I think they fucked up with the continuity because when James McElroy got cut with the box cutter

that thing was massive and then as the movies going on it gets smaller and smaller so the point I don't even think he had an injury at the end when he's holding the gun and he's holding the daughter that was a little I guess they fucked up right there but you know the chemicals got thrown in his face that healed him

probably yeah I was gonna say he's fucking dead bull he is Wolverine I was gonna say Phillips theory is right he's Wolverine. All right, guys, let's, I think that's enough for now, unless you I've got anything super important.

We don't want to go too long. No, that's it. I mean, I think my takeaway from this movie is James McAvoy is a badass. Oh, shit. Some more stuff, man. So, Brian and Petro, y'all disagree? Not his best role, right?

Y'all think it was the M-Night movie. Yeah, I think it was the, night movie. Yeah, he was pretty awesome. And even first class, the X-Men first class movie. Oh, that was a great movie. Totally agree. All right. Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to an episode of the horror returns. You know how to find us. Brian, make sure that our socials are completely up to date, but if you want, just go to thehorrorterms.com and

click the links from there. Pedro, as always, thanks for joining this, brother. Thank you. Pleasure. Always a good time. Yeah, well, next week we're going to talk about survival week as we're going to check out Never Let Go and the ritual. So, Brian, until

the horror returns again. Good night.