The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #436: Rosemary's Baby (1968) & Apartment 7A (2024)

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

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I'm Lance, with me as always, my co-host, Philip and Brian. How's it going, guys? What's up? Good, good. Oh, man, what a week it has been. How do you guys feel? we're going into the official horror movie week. We're going into Halloween.

All these movies that are coming out. It's like really exciting. How do you guys feel? Feel the same as last month. I'm still exhausted. I just got home from work. Yeah, I know. What's the big release date?

We decided by October 4th is when like literally everything is coming out on streaming for Halloween. tomorrow? Yeah, I think I think on October 4th, there'll be something on Shudder, Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, Peacock. I think they're all having brand new movies. Some of them having multiple movies come out. All right. Yeah. Movies are back. Not mad about it. And of course, as you guys know,

I'll be at the IMAX down the street checking out the Joker movie because what philip musical you guys you guys plan to check it out man if i wanted to go see a broadway show i'd go see a broadway show you know what i mean that's a lot more expensive though dude than just yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna check it out but i'm not gonna pay for it in the theater yeah

okay okay fair enough i'm gonna predict i'm gonna come out liking lady gaga's performance okay wondering what the fuck happened in the movie. She was good in the movie with Bradley Cooper, don't you guys think? She had a good performance. What was it? The Star is

born or whatever? Yeah, I actually really like that one. Yeah, so I have faith in her. We'll see how it goes. And the Joker will just laugh maniacally the whole time, right? I'm just interested because I'm hearing this was Todd Phillips like, fuck you to the

critics of the first one. And if you guys recall, I was the low one on the tone of pole on our scores on that one, if you guys recall. Oh, you were? I thought we all liked it. I liked it. It was just kind of like it, maybe a six or something, and you guys gave it like eight. You know, that's like an eight or nine for Lance. Yeah, that's true. All right, well, let's jump ahead. We were a little concerned we may not all have cool the weeks. Brian, I know you've got something, right? Yeah, I got one. I checked up the first two episodes. I'm going to pronounce the name wrong.

Grotesque grotesquery or whatever yeah yeah sure because I don't think it's a word I don't think it's a real word it's um well who's the showrunner Ryan Murphy he does American Horror Story it's a new kind of horror thriller true crime well not true crime it's not based on anything true but in that in that area TV's shit series and Nisi Nash plays the detective She's investigating these like series of Murders Oh I think I know which one this is

Yeah and then she meets a nun That's also it's weird The characters are so fucking weird But I think it's on purpose She meets a nun that's also a journalist That covers like true crime stories Hoping that Her theory is

reporting the true crime stuff will scare people back into the church. Wow. Okay. But she's like super like her thing she does during the first two episodes. You're kind of question if she really is a nun. Oh, wow. It sounds like it has a Twin Peaks vibe. Like kind of surreal?

Lance, the characters are so weird. Like when you meet the priest of the church, super young, good looking guy, fancy red shoes, almost makes you think like maybe he's the devil or something. Oh, okay, okay. I'm intrigued. And he's all preaching like guns are good, but God is better. I like it.

Then you find out before he was a priest, he was like a fitness expert trainer or something. then the nun drops like a little like she wasn't always a nun so there's like a lot of interesting characters in it and DC Nash I know there was somebody on her Facebook page that like said they're not even going to watch it because she was a comedic actress and she's not even great Reno 911

yeah yeah she was good in claws but I mean yeah she can do other roles I'm sure is she serious in this or is there kind of get It's no, no comic edge. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Okay, that's surprising. So, but I'm enjoying it so far.

It's got, it's got that kind of American Horror Story style to it the way it's filmed. Okay. But I'm enjoying the series, and it's super gory. Like, you don't actually see the murders happen, but you see the aftermath. Okay, kind of like Hannibal would do sometimes. Yeah, and then she's explaining breaking down what happened. in the first murder in the first episode. It was a family that got killed, and she breaks down what happened to the baby.

Oh, boy. Okay. Well. It happens over Thanksgiving dinner, I think. Oh, man, they served the baby instead of a turkey. All she said was she didn't break down what happened to the baby. She just imagined the worst thing you can think of. That would be about the worst thing.

Yeah. Eating baby is probably bad. It's worse than eating the cats. So it's less than an hour. They're about 45-minute episodes, so they're like quick watch, and they're coming out weekly. And I kept up with Agatha.

Another decent episode. Another good week. They actually said the name of that character we were talking about. Oh, yeah? They actually name dropped. Are they better because they said the name? is it is it

Mephisto yep that's it okay gonna have to bring in some new bad guys eventually right

yeah they were ever since ever since Wanda vision they've been just kind of tap dancing around the name just kind of hitting out of

this episode they just full on name dropped them okay I was hoping it might be Magneto when you guys

said an M but Mephisto I guess fits more into the storyline right yeah I figured he'd show up during

we are We are ready for those new X-Men, aren't we guys? Oh, yeah. It might be coming sooner than later. I heard because Deadpool and Wolverine just dropped on digital, and I heard it broke another record for digital sales. Of course it did. That surprised me.

So are they going to stick with Hugh Jackman? If I was in charge of it, I would say, yeah, if he wants to do it, and he sounds like he had probably one of the most funnest times, making this latest movie. Right. I mean, I can't say I'd be bad at it. He's done a great job. I would bring him back, but at some point you got to introduce a younger version.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Or bring Cavalrene. I'm down for that. He looked pretty badass in the movie, man. Right, right.

But that's all I got is that one new show. Grotesquery. All right. That's a good one, man. It's on my list that I want to watch, so I'll get around to eventually. There's some elements in there, Lance, that AJ probably will not watch it with you. Oh, demons. Some religious stuff.

Okay. Although she did sit through Apartment 7A and Rosemary's Baby with me. I was really proud of her. Demon babies. Yeah. I'm just warning you there might be a turnoff for her in there. Okay. Well.

She might shoot you to look and be like, what the fuck are we? Watch it. Yeah. Kind of like she did with the original Speak No Evil, huh? Yeah. That was a rough night. That was a lonely night. Well, I've got a half-ass cool of the week that I remembered while you were talking.

I was scrolling through Netflix and just trying to find something I hadn't seen before. And I came across Logan Lucky. You guys seen that one? Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah, Daniel Craig. It's got a, what's his name? The male stripper guy?

Gambit. The dancer, yeah. Channing Tatum. Channing Tatum. There it is. That's a good movie. Yeah, it wasn't bad. It kind of went under the radar.

I sort of forgot about it, but it's a pretty fun little heist movie. There's a bunch of people in that thing. Yeah, Daniel Craig's doing another weird southern accent. Yeah, they're all doing. and weird southern accents it takes in a minute to get used to it because they're like hamming it up too it's like it's kind of a lot over the top huh yeah but uh but still pretty good movie man i was i was pretty happy with it and that's about all i've watched this week football suck yeah fantasy league is terrible your cowboys won your cowboys won their two and two oh i guess they did that's true you know so there's

A little bit of a boring game, but yeah, they made it. Hey, you'll take it, right? Yeah. I wasn't an impressive win. Well, you know, you gotta have those two. Wins a win. Yep. All right.

Yeah, all right. So I was going to be hard pressed for a club of the week because I've been running around and doing all kinds of stuff and still not getting caught up on anything. But, oh, man, guys, Adrian Ballou, Tony Levin, St. Steve, Steve Vye, and Danny Carey. He doesn't know who Danny Carey is, right? From Tool. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to say he's a better drummer than Mike Portnoy, even, although Portnoy is like always at the top of the drummer magazine polls and stuff like that. Because he plays with fucking everybody. He's on like 500 albums a year. But this concert was fucking badass. They did songs from three different 80s, 80s era King Crimson albums. and I was super shocked

because it's like a progressive rock concert I thought okay well you know that half the seats might be full this place was like standing room only after the first two songs the entire audience was on its feet so I've just got so much new respect yeah so much new respect for Danny Carey

specifically I mean Steve I is awesome but the way the music's written it's like he and Adrian Blue both play guitar and Adrian Blue does all those weird like animal sounds on his guitar and at one point like he was playing it with a drill and he's just like super avant-garde you know experimental

and the King Crimson stuff during that era lint itself board of that so Steve I's out here trying to fucking you know shred but like they they keep pulling him back because uh Belu's doing the artsy stuff but yeah Carrie and Levin they were they were fucking top notch they like definitely kept the rhythm the rhythm section going and it was a good concert and lots of of solo performances and just a lot of fun.

So, yeah, it's, Orlando's pretty good place for music, guys. I mean, whatever you're into, whoever you like, they're probably going to play there at some point. And I think, you know, maybe it's because so many people come through here as tourists and whatnot. But, yeah, the beat concert, guys. It was great. It's my cool of the league, man. The last time I was at Universal, we were just walking around and randomly saw collective soul on stage.

No shit. Like, what? Okay, I'll sit down and watch it. They got a lot of bangers. Yeah, they do, man. I got a couple of buddies that used to follow them, like in the 90s and followed all their... Like, they would go from, like, Austin to San Antonio to Dallas. Yeah. You know, like, hit three or four gigs in a row, you know, so... Collective Soul's not bad. Yeah, I've never been, like, a huge fan, but it was like every song they played, I was like, I know this song.

Yeah, they got some good shit, man. And so you just... Kind of, they just happened to be there, huh? You just caught him on like a stage in Universal. Yeah, we were like standing right in front of the state. We're just walking by. And it's like collective solace playing. And I was like, holy shit. That's cool, man.

Florida, man. Yeah, Florida man. All right, that's cool of the week. Brian, you got some horror headlines for us this week. Yeah, we got some, a couple movies getting their anniversary re-release in theaters this month. We got Saw is having its 20th anniversary. It'll be in theaters October 20th and the 23rd. Also, the Texas Chainsaw Masker is having its 50th anniversary.

Oh, wow. And it'll be, from what I understand, playing in select theaters throughout the entire month. Okay. That's one to check out. Our little draft house, for sure, is going to have that one. I have no doubt. Yeah, Saw, for some reason, that feels like fucking more than 20 years, because haven't

they had more than 20 Saw movies at this point? We'll talk about it. Okay, okay. Let's, oh, for you action fans, next month on the 3rd and the 6th of November, John Wick will be having its 10th anniversary screening. Some horror news now. Sean Trenta

has been hired to write the script for the creature from the Black Lagoon remake, which is, I guess, officially being directed by James Wong. There you go, Philip. Okay. Guillermo Del Toro's Frankenstein has wrapped filming and is now in post-production.

Because Guillermo has already done the creature from the Black Lagoon. So why would you do it again, right? It wasn't bad. It won best picture. Come on, man. Oh, no, who's a good movie? Was it Best Picture, though?

It did. Oh, I got you. It won Best Picture at the Academy. Yeah, but... Was it? I liked it, but... Not Michael Shannon's best role ever, that's for sure. I liked it, but I never came out of that movie thinking, man, this is going to win Best Picture.

Nah, didn't blow me away. Didn't blow me away. You're not quite as into fish fucking as the critics are. I like how they showed you with the hands. Like, it opens up, and the little thing comes out. I'm going to butcher her name Daniela Melchor she was rat catcher in the suicide squad

Jake Jelinehall's love interest and Roadhouse Oh yeah okay Yeah she is joined the cast of the Anaconda reboot I understand it's officially starring Because we talked about they were in talks But I guess it's officially starring Paul Rudd and Jack Black. Oh, no.

All right. So they're going to comedy route, huh? I'll watch it. I know you'll never know. They might be going serious. Okay. I mean, that would be a twist to me if they got these two, like, comedic actors and just played it completely straight throughout the movie.

I don't want to see Paul Rudd and Jack Black to pay it straight. I don't either. I don't either. Let's see. Micah Monroe. Hot movie star. right now. Cast, she's going to star in the lead role in the

Hand at Rocks the Cradle remake. I heard about this. Wow, I don't know how I feel about it, but we'll give it a shot, I guess, right? Well, it's got my coming around with some good with that. I think I also read it's already filming. Wouldn't be surprised. Let's see.

Scream 7 gets an official release date of February 27, 2026. A lot of people got mad at this. but I'm cool with them taking time and getting the story right. This is Sydney Prescott's last movie, last story, a bit of her story. Final stand, huh?

Yeah, take time, get it right. Hillary Swank, the actress I can never remember her name. She was in that movie. What, an Anaconda? No, Logan Lucky. Oh, okay. It was fucking star-studded. Yeah, I guess so, man.

She's joined to cast a Yellow Jacket, Season 3. That makes sense. Yeah, that seems like a Hillary Swank kind of thing. Very Hillary Swankish, right? Yeah. Hillary Swanky. And the big news of this episode, which has a lot of people divided. Chucky has been canceled.

Yeah. Oh, no. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. I mean, it's better to do that than let it go on too long maybe, you know, where it really starts kind of becoming the snake eating its own tail, so to speak, you know, and jumps the shark and all that. So, you know, let's just be happy with what we got, right? Yeah. I'm not burn out and fade away.

I'm not caught up with it, but I was kind of rooting for it to get because they wanted one more season to finish the story. Okay. Well, maybe they'll do a movie or something. It's a tight-knit group, this cast, and I see. seen them on social media, basically, like, pleading with the studios to give it one more season. And I was kind of root for them. Yeah, I was looking,

I was looking forward to seeing John Waters in it more. That was going to be super bizarre. But we won't see that now, but, you know, what are you going to do? But just because the Chuckie TV show was canceled, don't mean Chuckie's gone. Chuckie was all of them. He'll always come back somehow.

I'll be back, you motherfuckers. Sounded like Wicked Witch or the West. Yeah, that was terrible. Terrible. And that's the news. All right. Philip, you're ready to go on down to that trailer park, man? Let's go.

All right. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very, very weird. Brian, what is the first new trailer to talk about this week? Oh, we got a pair of Netflix movies hitting Netflix. in October and the first one is the platform two. Not going to try to pronounce anybody's name that was involved

in making this movie. No butchery tonight, huh? We'll be here all day. Yeah. Spanish language. Yeah. I really enjoyed the first one and there's a

couple of scenes in this trailer. It looks like it's going to be a continuation because I recognize some faces from the first one. So, I thought that was the same guy. Yeah, with the long hair and the blindfold. Yeah, and then the other one. The guy that said this is some really good lamb or whatever.

Yeah. I'm going to have to watch the original. Yeah, I wonder that's a flashback or part of this movie is set before the first one. Could be. Maybe it's all at the same time and she watches the guy escape. That's what I'm

wondering, yeah. It could happen. Because this looks like this is all-out chaos in this movie. Yeah. Because there's multiple people on each floor and body stacked on each other. One scene kind of reminded me of that scene from World War II, where all the zombies were climbing on each other. I got the same feeling when I saw that, man.

That was weird, weird-looking. Like, they were trying to climb over each other to get out? Or, I mean, that's an awfully fucking long way to have to climb up. That doesn't seem very efficient way to do it. But, you know. Looked good visually. Yeah, I mean, it depends on what's going on. Maybe they stop feeding them.

Maybe they've been there a super long time. And maybe this whole being there a specific amount of time, and then you'll get some kind of reward. Maybe that was all a lie. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. This one, yeah, the stack October 4th, Lance. This is one of the movies comes out October 4th. Okay. Well, this is a good one to add to the list, man.

Yeah, for first one was great, right? Big surprise for everybody. Yeah. Well, well directed, too. It looks great. Mm-hmm. Yeah, now that I assume the first one had a lot of buzz, and they probably didn't expect it, so I imagine this one has a little bit bigger budget. Yeah, I mean, that's how I heard of the first one was word of mouth.

I didn't even hear. I didn't even, I don't even think I ever post any anything. thing on it when it originally came out. So, yeah, that one will definitely, when me and Lance do our weekly wrap-ups, I'm sure one of us will be talking about it. Yeah, I think the theory that you guys are kind of flirting with is right, that it's like, I think this is probably in the same timeline, you know, or basically the same timeline. I don't think it's going to be like decades after the first one, right, or five years after,

anything like that. But we shall see. We shall see. Well, there has to be some time because the guy you and me recognize, his hair is considerably longer. Okay. Oh, okay, that's true. All right. Second trailer coming to Netflix. Anna Kendrick's

directorial debut, I believe. A woman of the hour. Based on the true story of the dating game killer. Oh, okay. Hey, true crime, man. I like Anna Kendrick. Yeah, she's great.

And watching the trailer, because she's so cute and innocent. Yeah. So bubbly. I'm already pulling for her. Like, no, protect Anna Kendri. Right. I know. Don't do it.

But I actually think the teaser trailer that came up before this was a little bit more effective. Because it shows. Yeah, it shows a scene where they're saying goodbye. They just went on a date. and she gives him a phone number and then he's like, is this really your phone number? And then she's kind of walking away. And then she's like,

don't you say your phone number out loud that you just gave me? And she doesn't remember what fake number she just gave me. Oh, no. Okay. So she tries to walk away. He's kind of like every step she's taking, he's taking a step. Uh-oh.

So. And it's the guy? Yeah. It's the contestant number three guy? Okay. Well, that's kind of given a little bit away, but, you know, I guess it's a true story, so if you know. Well, yeah. If they're going to be like, hey, here's the true story of the dating game killer, then, you know, there's a dating game killer. And there's got to be a dating game and a killer, right? Yep.

So, I'm interested, and I'm hoping to see a good thriller. Yeah. And like I said, I like Anna Kendrick, and I'm hoping to see if she does a deal. good job directing. I mean, it looks pretty good. Brian, what are girls for? Come back to me on that one. Okay. It does sound like

a trap. Yes, it does. What were you saying, too? She was in one that was super underrated with Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, yeah, Sam Rockwell. Yeah, Sam Rockwell. Oh, where he's like the hitman? Yeah, dude. That was a good movie.

Yeah, that's the one. That was pretty good. That was a pretty good movie. I was trying to look at and see what the life of me. I cannot tell you what it was called, but it was a good movie. Because I think it was one of her earlier ones. Mr. Right. Yeah. There you go. Yeah.

That's the one. That's the one. I like during that Ryan Reynolds movie, Voices. That was a bizarre one where he kept the heads in his refrigerator and talked to him or whatever. Yeah. Did we review that? We talked about it. I don't think we reviewed it, but I think we talked about it at some point.

Maybe it was a cool of the week. Maybe the trailer, you know? I think I've seen the trailer. I don't think I've actually seen the movie. I'm going to have to watch that one. It's bizarre. I like her a lot, man. She's cool.

Yeah. But honestly, I've seen her in a lot of movies, but I've never seen any of the pitch-perfect movies. You're okay. Oh, you like those, Philip? I'm telling you, I know that you don't like musicals. Dude, they're great. I love those movies.

Oh, man. Well, Teets their own. Teach their own. The first one and second one. The rest of them are, I don't know how many of them there are. A little bit up. Wasn't there one with the Europeans in like Sprochich or something like that? I don't remember specifically which one that was.

Okay. Yeah, part six maybe or something like that, right? Yeah. The first one's great. Right. All right. Woman of the Hour also hits Netflix. Woman of the Hour.

Tower of Power. October 18th. Okay. That's it. And we're all going to watch it because it's when we know the wives will watch with us, right? Oh, for sure. It's a trap. Well, see, that's the thing.

Pitch Perfect is like my wife's favorite movie. I know. Yeah. Same with AJ. She likes it too, man. All right. On to listener feedback. Feedback.

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You've got to come hang out with us at the next con that we go to. Yeah, and also on October 4th, Texas Frightonair will be announcing its first slate of guests. Okay, cool. So, big day Friday. Yeah, man, and we hadn't seen each other. We're all on opposite sides of the country now, so we should definitely meet up for something. And let's see, in regards to the I Like It Spooky Horror Podcast.

I just got recognized as one of their top fans. All right. I guess that's our horror returns group, Brian. They got recognized. Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Who knows, right? One of those.

Check out their podcast, though. Let's see. For Let Me In, John Constable says, Great Movie. Prefer the original, though. You know what? Me too. In regards to The Thing,

Ricky Ross says, is it true they're making a sequel with Kurt Russell coming back? Well, Brian would know. Of all of us, Brian would know. Rumors. I don't want it. because I still have not

I kind of when I rewatch it I kind of turn off to ensing because you're supposed to be able to be able to see now according to one of the people that made the movie which one's the thing by looking at their eyes I kind of just like it not knowing I know that's what I was such a great ending

it kind of they like if you're going the prequel route which is what they did with the other one you know it wasn't right It wasn't bad, but it wasn't as memorable as the thing. Yeah. It was a great movie. You wrapped it up in a bow.

You left the ambiguous ending. And it was perfect. Just leave it alone. Guys, I've got an idea. I've got an idea. Kurt Russell's getting a little bit up there in years, right? Yeah. Bring in White Russell.

Oh. And add a killer swimming pool. that was actually a sequel to the thing we didn't realize it I think on that on that monsterverse TV series what was it called mona yeah that's right they did a good job to where they would transition

from Kurt Russell to Wyatt Russell from present to past and man I've seen something a couple days I forgot what movie it was it was like an older Kurt Russell movie

and for a second I thought I was looking at Wyatt Russell Oh shit I can see that okay All right He looks an awful lot like him No DNA test needed Right

But yeah if you go If you watch Monarch There's like just transitions How they go from the present to the past and it's just the same person, basically. That's cool. All right. In regards to Chuckie, Melinda Smith says,

I'm so pissed. They canceled it. Ridiculous, it was good. In regards to Terrifier 3, eccentric says, I love horror movies, but I've never watched Terrifier. Should I start now?

Yes. If you're fine with extreme gore, I know there are people that don't like the, terror fire movies because I think it's a little much. Okay. Which I'm hearing early reviews of Terror Part 3 that they've completely up the gore. Well, some people,

sounds like there's no downside. Right. Some people might consider mean-spirited, I guess. I don't know. Well, listen, it's a horror, it's like a slasher movie for horror fans. You know what I mean? There you go. There you go. Good way to put it. All right. see, Mark Kamenarsksinsky. Sorry, dude. There you go.

That's it. That's it. Says prom night is pretty good. If not an original concept, as far as slashers are concerned. Jamie Lee is good, as always. And her dancing is even better. It has a catchy disco soundtrack and

Anne-Marie Martin. Well, she's just so easy on the eyes, in my opinion. Nothing Nothing wrong with that You know I like I'm on the fence with Jamie Lee Curtis Really? Obviously she's ancient now

But like In the day But you know In her day she was very pretty But like I never She was never like the hot chick for me Yeah not like a knockout right Right

But Dude that true lies scene I was like Oh shit Yeah I was moving from my childhood, I always go back to with hers trading places. Yeah. Okay.

I can see that. But she tells Dan Aykroy, not everything in this house is for free. Oh, yeah. And she has the top of the scene, and I was like, Lori. Shame on you. It's like, damn, she's kind of bad when she wants to be. Yeah? But yeah, that's true.

The hair gets me. I don't know. The hair of the home face. That is a good scene of it through lies that striptee's scene. Yeah. She's like, she's got to be like 40 something in that movie. Yeah. It's great.

All right. In regards to Rosemary's baby, Rob Hall says, my favorite horror film of all time. You know, my place? I've been there. That's strong words. That's right. Roman. Roaming Roman.

Right? I can see that. It is strong words, but it is definitely like one of the all-time greats. In regards to Courtney Cox in Scream 7, Bradley Cookear says they have not announced it yet, but heard from a fellow actor at Con that she is. Probably. I don't want her. I'm sure. Yeah, I don't want her. She's got some wacky. She's hoping they bring. David Arquette scared to Dewey back. I'm like, he fucking died. Yeah. But not really.

As a matter of fact, he's to kill. Ha! Oh, no. Yeah, because they do the fakeouts, and then they have like, skied over it, over it showed up as a ghost, and, you know.

Hey. In regards to abominable, Jason Voss says Snowbeast was way better. What is abominable? I don't know. think I've ever seen any one of those. I don't think so either.

Brian? I'll check it out, though. I like those cryptids, man. There's something to it when there's like cultures all over the planet that have these ancient histories of weird shit that are all kind of the same. Like the Yeti, Bigfoot. Yeah. In regards to Feast. David Gamrant says

that first one was one of the best creature features. No backstory, no backstory, no explanation, just carnage. Okay. Good movie. Wasn't that the one from like that Project Greenlight or whatever? Yeah, Matt Damon and Ben Afflegg.

Matt Damon. I think about that every time I hear his name. In regards to the ritual, Matt Wood says, Great Film. need a rewatch. Yes, you do, Matt. Yeah, for sure.

Right now, as you're listening to this, you should be rewatching it. That's one of those that always, there's like three or four movies that are kind of like that. And so I always sort of get them mixed and matched in my head. But the real is pretty great.

Yeah. Doesn't help that there's like 27 horror movies named the ritual. Well, yeah, that too. Are there? That can be a problem. Let's see In regards to

Gotesquery Sean Justice said Just started watching it last night And loving it so far There you go Brian I'm going to check that one out man What's it on? You got Lulu

Yeah You'll find it on that Okay It's an FX show Gotcha In regards to Carnival of Souls James N. Pogues says I own it on DVD and have the soundtrack on vinyl.

In regards to Lisa Frankenstein, David Barta says, Fun Movie, I generally don't gravitate towards musicals. But was it a musical? There was some musical numbers. Yeah. It's flirting with. Flirting with it? Okay.

Just like the movie we'll talk about later was flirting with it and making me angry. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, okay, I got you. Point to take. Oh, I got you. Yeah. Let's see, in regards to, don't worry, darling.

We have a split decision. Jordan Bennett says great fucking movie, and Monte Light says an underwhelming film. I wonder if he went in Monty Light, because I know this was one of those movies where everybody was talking about, like, Hidden Jam, no one's talking about like high scoring around tomatoes.

I wonder if he was overhiked. Probably. Maybe. That can happen. Because I kind of went in expecting it to suck, and it was like better than I thought it was going to be. Right. All right.

In regards to Speak No Evil, Becca Gomez says good movie. Yep. Either one, right? Yeah. They're basically the same. You want a different ending, watch you, American version. Yeah. Go with the American version. Don't fuck with Americans.

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Thanks, Matt. And there's a 50-50 chance he'll be sober on any given episode. So there is that. Yeah. Which you're already used to because I'm here. They commented on Instagram. They've both been under the weather. Oh, no.

I think Kate said they're going to double up on some episodes for October. Okay. As well they should, right? It's the Halloween month. Which also check out E-Society, 31 days of horror. They've been rolling out. And the geeks, they do 31 days of horror. Oh, that's right.

That's right. Those will be rolling out. Reviews on movies, on a new movie every day. That's a lot of horror movies. And not to tell anybody how the sausage is made in the back room, but I think they start recording those on each November 1st. So they can get ahead, unlike us, right? Brian, we get behind, like, and we have to double up some days and stuff like that to get caught up. But we always get through.

We do a lazy way. Yeah, that's true. We'll give you four episodes and we'll bunch them up into each episode. Yeah, a little bit more doable. A little bit more doable. Dull it out there out the year. Maybe we should try it. All right, on to featured attractions.

This week, we go back and take another look at Rosemary's Baby as well as the new prequel apartment 7A. We'll start with Rosemary's Baby from 1968. I'm pregnant. Raffin head, rather unpleasant reputation around the turn of the century. Awful things happen in every apartment house. She seems so happy and full of... She said wonderful things about you and your husband. It's for you from Roman than me.

Sometimes I think they're going. Is it 68 or 69? 68. Okay. A young couple trying for a baby moves into an aging, ornate apartment building in Central Park West. Ornate. That's what is it? That word in the sentence.

Ornate. Your Christmas tree is very ornate. S-A-T words. Right? No shit. Where they find themselves surrounded by peculiar neighbors. Director is, of course, Roman Polansky. Speaking of my cool week from a few weeks ago, chaos, right?

And he was in the middle of that shit. Right, right. Also known for Chinatown. and Charlie Manson. Writers are Roland Polanski with Ira Levin. Mia Farrow ate raw liver for a scene in the movie

despite being a vegetarian at the time. She should have been a speaking of evil. That's what I was thinking. All right. Lance, what did you think about Rosemary's baby? You said it was kind of a class. I mean, it really is.

I mean, there's a lot of surrealism in this. There's a lot of, there's stuff in this thing that I kind of was a little bit shocked to see on this viewing. And I don't know, are there different versions of this? Because I saw the Criterion Collection version and it was about almost two and a half hours. Are there other versions out there that don't have as much, you know, nudity and like weird sexual situations as this one did? because... I'm probably when it was originally released, it probably didn't have as much stuff

as we've seen in it now. Yeah, it was... I was really shocked to see some of that stuff because for whatever reason, I don't remember it being in there the first time, but, you know, like some of the dream sequences

and then obviously the rape scene, pretty intense, man. Pretty nasty, you know? And I was kind of shocked. I was like, okay, this was a 1968. I know that was a long, time ago, guys, because that was the year I was born. So that's my acid test, right?

So, you know, yeah, and it took place in, what, like 65, 66, because they showed a calendar and it was switching over to, you know, happy new year, 1966 or whatever. But there were a lot of similarities between this movie and the other that we'll get into later. But so looking at just this movie for itself, I mean, I think that, I think the acting of the part of everyone was top-notch. The husband just, it did a great job of just being a nice. an ass.

Oh, just a complete self-centered. And there were, yeah, there were clues early, Brian, like, for example,

remember that scene where she was talking this one, she said, well, he's an actor. It seems like all actors have a self-centered

part to him. That's just how they are. So it's okay. I just live with it. You know, and so, it was actually really good inside,

I thought. Well, one thing, one thing that I noticed in this movie, I was kind of shocked that it was kind of like, So if this movie were to come out now, you'd see a lot of guys on social media saying, oh, this is just like a, you know, women empowerment, girl power movie. All men are evil. All men are bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But hey, this was 1968. So this shit's been going on for a while. So that kind of shocked me. You know, it's kind of like this. This almost feels like something that might be made now with some of the stuff that's political messaging and stuff like that. As a movie, like it felt super claustrophobic. It's, like, it felt super claustrophobic.

times. They obviously were making her, they were gaslighting her, right, making her feel like she was crazy. It was really, it was a lot more subdued, though, than like, you know, coming right out and, you know, having, having a bunch of, you know, witches like tear somebody apart or having someone's body contort and they die. It's like, well, how did they die? Well, they went into a coma and just kind of died. And like, you know, the one actor, so the husband got the part, well, what happened to? Well, he just kind of went blind. It's like no explanation for it. he just kind of went blinded. And then as she like discovers the books

and starts reading up on it, it kind of like you slowly are like, hmm, well, that makes sense. You know, and then you got the... That was a good scene, though, because he was like, at first he was like, yeah, he just went blind.

Oh, by the way, I got the part. That was funny. It's a matter of factly, right? He's like, oh, man, the poor guy went like, oh, I got the part. And there's a lot of like, behind-the-scenes subtlety to that, too, because it's not like they showed it on screen,

but you can sort of guess from the way that things progress that they had already talked to him about, like, joining the group, and, hey, if you give us your firstborn, we can make everything happen for you. And he's like, yeah, whatever, bullshit. And they're like, okay, well, we'll get you the part. And then will you do it? He's like, yeah, I'll do it if you give me the part, but it's bullshit.

Yeah. Yeah, because then it wasn't. If I remember, there's a scene when I think somebody asked, asked her if he was even a good actor. And she kind of, he's okay, you know. He's so, he's meh. He's meh.

He's been in a couple of plays and a lot of television and radio. He said that a couple of times, right? Yeah, that was the line. That was the line. Which made it more realistic. That was the line. She did great in this movie. You know, old people are fucking creepy.

Am I right guys? I mean, like these old New York characters. Especially when they're Satanic. Well, yeah. Right? And it was... I'd have hung out with Minnie and Roman all fucking day. Oh, I know.

That's cool. And he had all those stories to tell. Yeah. You know, been all over the world. Name a place I've been there, you know. I know. It's like, he was just weird enough to be like endearing. Yes, very much so.

And all the other, and all the other neighbors, too, right? And there were a lot of, you know, know, well, we'll get into it again in the next movie, but there's lots of recurring characters and stuff like that. So, yeah, I thought it, I thought it was really well done. It was subtle. You know, it didn't hit you over the head with it. It kind of started out slow. The rape scene was pretty intense, but, you know, there again, it wasn't like, you know, two over the top, right? Like, you know, you could kind of tell what was happening. And that one scene where she said, this isn't a dream. This is really happening. That was fucking terrifying.

Fantastic line. Fantastic line. That was the highlight of the movie right there. They could get rid of anybody, right? Like the guy she was going to meet in front of the Rockefeller Center or whatever that like mysteriously went into a coma so he could never meet her. Yeah, and they're always around. She's on the phone with the doctor.

It's like, I got to meet you now. And then you see that old gentleman just kind of lean up against the phone boo. The phone booth. As soon as she's done, he just kind of walks away. But then you didn't know if he was like a part of it or not. It sort of fed into the paranoia. Yeah, very subtle, right? Very subtle.

At first I thought he was the doctor. You can only see the back of him. I thought, ah, that's the original doctor. And then, of course, the young doctor didn't believe her. Charles Groden? Was that Charles Groden? That's a young Charles Groden. No shit.

The doctor? I should have gone under that. Oh, see, and he was not my favorite character because I thought that his I don't know, he seemed Kind of bland. Kind of an ass when he was like when he sold her out. But like, yeah.

Did he sell her out thinking she's crazy and needs help? I think so. Or was he one of the... No, I think he thought he was doing the right thing. Yeah, I think he thought he was doing the right thing. But if you think that you're doing the right thing, maybe, you know,

you don't do the steely eye stare fuck you look it is Charles Broden Phillip he's made a career out of playing assholes you know so this was good training for him but no I just I just ratched it all up to okay so this is the three it was basically like three men right

that were all working together and convincing her and gaslighting her that she was crazy some of which knew that she really wasn't and one that thought maybe she was but that was that old that was that old patriarchy thing right Like, you know, hey, it's just a hysterical woman. It's just a hysterical woman.

Minnie was a big part of it, too, though. She was a big part of it. As the other women were there, too, right? Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, say, I didn't see the political messaging. No, I'm talking more about just that scene, maybe, I think. I just kind of get the vibe from that scene. Oh, I got you.

Like, oh, it's another hysterical woman. That's been going on for a-hesist, right? Give her a dildo. Yeah, there you go. Or they used to give them smelling salts back then, right? No, that's why dildos were invented, apparently. was like hysterical women. No, is that true?

Yeah, it was like a medical device. That makes perfect sense. I swear to got to read that somewhere. Okay, yeah. I totally get it, man. Useless facts. Well, that's not so useless. That's a big one.

So, well, depending on the size of it. Yeah, no, this was a good movie, man. This was an exercise in not going too far, too fast. Kind of slow burning, but like the movie, the movie moved pretty quickly for like a two and a half hour movie the version I saw I was kind of shocked how how quickly the you know the movie got to it got to its ending so I was happy with it and then you know that scene in the in the end of it when I guess she's getting used to it and she's decided to be the mom I don't know I'll I'd like to know what y'all's

theories are on that she is she is the mom yeah but I mean like she's gonna be the full full fled I want to be part of this now and it's worth putting up with a sateness to be able to take care of my baby although she said his eyes we never saw the baby did we saw the eyes yeah they sort of did like a quick quick cut to like a close up of the eyes

yeah kind of had like demon reptilian eyes yeah a lizard person it's a lizard person oh hey that's not that's not that's not gonna fly going out in public

like that little baby with demon reptilian eyes that would have to kind of weird Kind of have to fix that. All right. Well, for a 19- We're going to have to invent contact sometime soon.

I don't know when they came out. I'll say for a 1968 movie, it was ahead of its time. Brian, what do you think? Yeah, I agree with pretty much

everything Lance said. So what I'm going to focus on is Mia Farrow's performance in this movie. Yeah. I liked how in the beginning she was just this sweet, kind of gullible,

person, healthy. And throughout the movie, you gradually, she's getting sick, pale, almost ghostly near the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then by that time, she's starting to catch on. She's not as gullible. She's more, I don't know.

Like, aware of what's going on. Yeah, she's more suspicious. Right. Like having to go along with it. But it's suspicious on the verge of paranoia because. Yes. Yes. it's it sounds fucking crazy but it's actually happening it does as she was saying it to

charles grod and i was kind of like i don't think i'd believe her i know yeah i mean as many times as i've seen this movie before when it got to that part where she's with charles groan i'm just like no get out of there just leave town you know but i already know what's going to happen yeah and man this movie is my fucking nightmare not the satanic cult but just the neighbors in your business all the time beat the feebles

beat the feebles that scene at the beginning when she's like oh yeah many and Roman invited us over and he's like oh come on an old couple like that if we get too involved we're never going to get rid of them and I'm like yes you understand that scene was

exactly me. Just come on. Do we have to stay there the whole time? Yeah, that could be a nightmare in it of itself, right? But I like how like Phil, you brought it up, like

the background stuff. Him going, he didn't want to go over there, but they were just kind of just feeding his ego so much that he enjoyed them. And then all the times he's running out in the building, running out the apartment that like the scene where he's like oh you want an ice cream cone

I want an ice cream cone I was like no you're going to talk to fucking Roman and Minnie yeah I thought those are all great scenes Roman and Minnie though were fucking great in this great sure Minnie was fucking phenomenal dude I love that character she's so great

yeah so much oh dear you know you want to try my chocolate though so dear you like it so much a mouse yeah so much happened in this movie that I agree with you Lance for it to come out in 68 I just

can't believe that they were doing this in 68 it does the rape scene does kind of hard to watch knowing the director's history now so there's that separate art from artists right I imagine there's a lot more to that history

too and I'm sure I'm sure I do recommend the curse films episode on Shutter that they did on this A lot of creepy shit happened during the filming of this. Really? Really?

He brought up the Manson stuff. There's a connection with Sammy Davis Jr. Because he was always He was a Satanist. A Satanist, yes. Sammy Davis Jr. was? Yes. No.

Yeah. He was Jewish and then he was a Satanist. Oh my God. Make up your mind, man. Yeah, watch the episode because there's like connections. With this movie and all that stuff. Maybe Roman Polanski's trying to tell us something.

Maybe. Because if there was anybody who was in on that shit, it would have been him. It would have been Roman. Has anybody... Has anybody ever seen the remake of this? I did know. This one. Gamora.

I can't remember her name. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh. I think it was like a TV miniseries. I feel like I might have seen it. but I can't really remember anything from it. Okay.

That happens with a lot of movies. Maybe I'll try to watch it before next episode. Might have been kind of forgettable, huh? Yeah, I always forget that it's made. And then when I was looking stuff up about this movie, it popped up. And I was like, oh, yeah, they did do a TV miniseries. Yeah, I'd forgotten about it until you said something. But yeah, Rosemary's Baby is a classic.

I feel like if you're going down. the list of movies you should watch if you're a horror fan. I feel like this should be on the list. This should be on like top ten, I think. Yeah, this holds up. For 68, this completely holds up. So, 100% recommend this one.

I mean, if you meet somebody and they're like, oh, yeah, I just watched this horror movie. And so I'm starting to get into horror. And you're like, oh, okay, I've got some great ones for you. Here's some classics. Da-da-da-da-da-da.

uh rosemary's baby's got to be up there right not a not a bad one to throw in i think so i mean you know you're gonna go exorcist right uh signs of the lambs i guess it wasn't really the thing alien yeah aliens maybe too right yeah although another one maybe not really horror but got close enough yeah true true um all right yeah i uh and so yeah for me this is definitely a classic and it is totally up there. It still holds up, which is saying a lot for a 1968 movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do know what you mean. Yeah.

There's a lot of old movies that are just really dated and you're like, man, this thing is showing his age and everybody is like way over the top with the acting and all that. Disco soundtrack. Right.

And this this could have been made yesterday as a period piece. It really good. You know? And like that's how good the acting is. Like that everybody killed it. Yeah, Minnie was probably was probably my favorite character.

She cracked me up. Because she has like this this like innocent, nosy thing about it. Like ditsy thing going on. Yeah, that's the way I was going to say. And she's like she's super ditsy. She's like so ditsy, so friendly and all that.

There's no way she could be a Satanus type thing. But then she's got all the shit in the background. I know. It's so off-putting. That's what's great about it, man. She turns it off and on, like, just like that. Yeah. She doesn't have the Charles Gruden steelyed look, right?

Yeah. And that's the most dangerous kind. I'm telling you. Mia Farrow did fantastic. I thought her husband did great. Everybody in this movie was pretty, was pretty on point. It's I don't like

Roman Polansky as a person But goddamn this movie's good Yeah, it's my favorite of his for sure That I've seen Oh yeah Because a couple of the other movies are way too artsy for me Yeah, I'm not even really sure What other movies he has

Or if I've even seen them What was that one we saw With a lady that was in the apartment By herself And like going crazy And she shut herself off from the world I can't remember what it's called Somebody's yelling at me

Because it's like a famous It's like a classic. Huh. Like there's a criterion collection of that too, but like, yeah, I can't think it was a Roman. Was it a Roman Polanski? I thought it was. I'm going to I'm going to IMDB while you guys talk because I am dying to think of what the heck this movie was because I'm sure it was. Yeah, man, he killed it with this one.

I thought like he pulled the best performance out of everybody that was in there. Right. Even like in the dream sequences Repulsion. Repulsion. Yeah. Pulsion, okay. But the dream sequences were like different than any other movie I've ever seen. You know, like it's...

On the yacht? Yeah. With the captain and... Well, because she sort of... There's a storm coming! Zoning out and falling asleep and now the bed is on a wave, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like everything makes sense. Mm-hmm. and like you can tell the dream sequences or dream sequences and no musical numbers Brian yeah well and and like any background noise or music in these dream sequences just cuts out completely it's like totally silent except these weird random things that the people on the boat and stuff are saying and then that's when she's the you know the demon thing that's happening and she's getting

raped and I you know I didn't as far as rape scenes go that one wasn't as uncomfortable as a lot of them as some and uh and I think it it played well for the movie because sometimes they just go on too long and you're like okay man I fucking get it but this one didn't like it it worked into the movie and then she she throws out that line this uh you know this is this is not this is real yeah this is actually happening like whatever it is that she says but it was a great line and she delivers it nailed it yeah dude i i i love this movie so i watched both of them twice because i was trying yeah because i watched department 7a first and then i went back and watched this one and i went back and watched department 7a again because i was like okay what happened now yeah the connections

and stuff like that i'm trying to line everything up and then i watched this one again and it's just a better movie. It just is. Yeah. Well, we'll get into that. We'll get into that. Yeah. All right. We need NAS on this one. It's going to be hard to top this one. Hell of good. That's what Nass says. Where's Nass when you need him? Scores. Lance, what do you think?

Eight, eight and a half. Solid, solid, solid, eight and a half. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. It's way up there. Right? Nine and a half. Nine and a half. Yeah, I think, I think I'm going to go nine and a half. I almost want to give it a 10. Okay. I thought you were going to. You know what? I'm going to give it a 10. I thought you might. I mean, it's a piece. It's a piece of art and gone back and rewatching it. It's like, I don't know if he could have changed a whole lot to make it better. No, I can't think of much. I mean, the dream sequences were like dreams. The rape was just, just enough to make you cringe, but not like, you know, want to disappear into your chair, right?

And then I even love the motherly. phenomenal. The motherly instinct at the end, even though she was horrified by her baby, it's still her baby. And she's the mom, you know? I mean, that instinct is there

for a reason. You gotta, you gotta step in though. I mean, that lady was rocking the shit out that baby. Yeah, she I know. And Roman had to step in and say, get the way, get the hell away from it. Let the mother come up, you know? That made me not like that character when she was rocking the

And then she was so upset that she was told that she was rocking a baby to her. And I'm like, that's the son of your lord. And then she stuck her tongue at it, Rosemary, right? Yeah. So definitely watch Rosemary's baby if you haven't watched that. Yeah, it's on the must watch list for sure. All right. We'll move on to 2024s, a partner.

7A. I came here for one reason to make something of myself. To be on stage. To see my name in big lights. But dreams don't always come true. You know, when we found you... Whoa. You lost.

You were kind of a mess. Uh, a struggling young dancer finds herself drawn in by dark forces when a peculiar, well-connected older couple promise her a shot at fame. Director is Natalie Eric James, also known for Relic.

Relic is another one of those kind of like the ritual, right? I haven't seen it. It's from a couple years ago. I think the lady, like, a young lady moves into her grandparents' house or something. Yeah.

Oh, okay. It's the story of, like, different ages, different generations. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I'm thinking of a different movie then. You're thinking of a glow. I thought that was it. I'm thinking of the road like that happens in that museum. Oh, okay. I don't know, man. There's all of them. They sort of blend together sometimes.

Sometimes they do. Sometimes they do. Writers are Natalie, Eric, James, Skyler James, and Christian White. Okay. In Rosemary's Baby, the character of Terry Genofrio appears briefly in the laundry room scene where she speaks to Rosemary about how the cast vets have taken her in. She tells Rosemary how their apartment leads into hers, which is shown in the film Apartment 7A. Spoiler. I don't think that she tells them that because she doesn't know that. I didn't think so either.

I think that's some faulty trivia, IMDB. or maybe it was part of that whole this is the backside of what used to be that thing or whatever the hell it was. Maybe. Maybe. I don't remember that though. Whatever.

All right. Lance, what you think about apartment 7A? I didn't really like this movie too much. This was, I don't know, I was maybe 30 or 40 minutes into it, and I'm like, this is really fucking lifetimeish.

Like, lots and lots and lots of talky, talky, talky, talky, how do I feel? These are my emotions. blah, blah, blah, you know. I didn't think about that, but it kind of is. You know, and they have the, I mean, I guess they kind of showed that she was a drug addict. I mean, she took a couple of pills now and again. I mean, is that the same thing as shooting a needle into your arm?

I mean, was she really? No, I think they misconstrued it from what the... She might have overindulged in her pain meds while she... And she took them more to help her get through the acting and the parts and stuff like that, maybe. It made her feel like she was more confident, I think. But in Rosemary's baby, they made her out to be like a junkie. A junkie on the street. Yeah, like giving blow jobs for $5 for a crack hit or something, right?

And that wasn't the case here at all, you know? And I don't know. I just thought the setup was really fucking boring and really slow. And I don't know, man. I mean, this actor, she was really good in Ozark. She played Ruth. was great in that role. She was like perfect. You know, like the short

little spitfire like, well, fuck you. If you're going to fuck with my family, I'm going to kill you. You can't compare characters because that's completely different. Completely different character, for sure. Okay, look, I'll admit she's an actress who has range,

right? Because I've seen her in other stuff and she's done quite well. I just felt like it wasn't the right actress for the role. I think that, you know, other people might have pulled this role off. a little bit better. So again, while I was watching this movie... To make her look like the original or just in general?

She didn't feel at all like the original to me. And to me, she didn't seem like, you know, her trajectory or like her storyline was what the original made you think it was, right? Where she was that desperate and like, you know, that strung out or whatever. Yeah, that's true. Maybe I'm being nitpicky. But the bottom line is this. I didn't think she was the right person for the part.

I thought that the script was pretty boring. I thought that all the scenes were the same way. Lots of talking early on, not much action. But one thing I will say, and then of course I kind of like the way they twisted it at the end,

where she also was yelling hell, Satan and everything. It's like, is she or isn't she or is she actually buying into this now? You're doing the crow thing, Lance. Oh, no. This is the new movie. This is the spoiler alert. Oh, fuck.

All right, let's just say that this one was kind of heavy-handed to me. I will say this, though, and here's my point. I don't want to say anything else because I'm crowing it up big time. So, yikes. All right, Brian. Sorry about that. Sorry, we'll get it. We'll get into that in spoiler talk. All right, we'll get into that. But I don't think you gave any too much away.

Yeah, I did. No, you didn't. No, but I mean. I felt like you. I was definitely going. there. I was definitely going in. All right. So, but then after finishing this movie and being like super non-plus with it, I watched the original

again, right? Which I hadn't seen in a while. And I'm like, huh, okay, I have new respect now for the new movie because they actually did tie a lot of stuff together. They had a lot of the same characters, a lot of the same beats. There was one scene toward the end

that they tied in that was from the first movie that I thought was done perfectly the way they did it. So I have to say, they did a pretty decent job on this, tying it into the first movie and making it, you know, like a prequel in that universe. And then, you know,

the hidden doorway you talked about in trivia and that type of stuff. So I will say this is one of those few movies that I'm, my score is going to be a couple of points higher for having seen the original and understanding how much respect and dignity they gave the original when they made this

movie. Then when I just, well, saw this standalone as it is. Or is it? Because I want to get into that in spoilers. Okay, so I kind of hated it, but then when I rewatch the original, I was kind of like, okay, now I have a little bit of respect for this one. I got you. And that's all I'll say, because I don't want to spoil anything next to me.

Brian, what do you think? You know, I agree with you, Lance. So this kind of felt like a TV movie. Very TV movie, right? I think it kind of did it. Very TV movie. I kind of felt like if this was something in the theater. I would have been really fucking upset.

I've seen it at the theater. Oh, that's a good point. I also agree with you. Julia Gardner, fantastic actress. Much better hair in this one, I've got to say. Yeah, not right for this role. Completely miscast in this role. Diane Weiss and whoever the actor is that played Roman, fantastic.

I agree. They were the high points of the movie. They were absolutely the high points of the movie. What about many? Yeah, that's Diane Weiss. Oh, that's, okay. Yeah. So the guy that played Roman, I thought I killed it.

I thought they both killed it. I thought they were both great. She did good, but it seemed like an impersonation. Impersonation of, yeah. I kind of got that vibe a little bit and sometimes. But she did it well. Without watching, because I watched this one first, so without watching Rosemary's baby first, I loved it.

And then I watched Minnie do it, and I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's how you really do it. That's how it's really good. I thought she did a fantastic job. For a minute there, I forgot that was Diane Weiss. I mean, I recently just rewatched the Lost Boys. That's the mom from the Lost Boys.

That's right. That's right. That's been a while. Yeah, I do like all the connections they made in there, but there was just some moments in there that just acted poorly. Agreed. There's one. I'll get into spoilers.

The way it was acted just came off so fucking comedic to me. And the dream sequences were fucking horrible. Am I right? Yeah. It's like they were trying to imitate what Polanski did. Yeah. They're trying to duplicate what he did and just poorly executed. But like a big Lobaskey route. Yeah.

I do like, I do like the ending. This will not stand. Man. Do like the ending that you were about to get into Lans. I do like the way that played it. played out and how it ended and the last scene. I also have questions about. Yeah, we'll get to it.

But yeah, I, it's just cheaply done. Some of the acting was just subpar, in my opinion. Yeah, like a network television movie, right? Yeah, yeah. Don't want to spoil it, so I'll just pass it over to you, Phil. Hmm. I don't know how I feel about this movie, I think. is my issue right now.

It's definitely not as good as the original. I did love Julia, whatever her name is. Garner. Yeah, Julia Garner. Dude, she's a great actress. I really like her. And I liked watching her in this, but I can totally see where she may not really fit the role,

especially after watching Rosemary's Baby and seeing how that Terry Janoffer. real was because that was a different human being you know and like completely it was a completely different everything yeah i i watched this first and then went into rosemary's baby for a second there i completely forgot this is supposed to be that character because it doesn't feel like that character yeah well and so that's that's what i did i watched this one first and then i watched rosemary's baby and then i was like maybe I missed something. And so I went back and watched this again because I was like, oh, okay, that's this person when they had the scene in the, and Rosemary's baby where she was talking to her in the basement. I was like, oh, it didn't click that that's who that was. And so I went back and watched this one again just to try to make some connections. And that's where I have questions. I'm really excited to get into spoilers. But for me, this one was kind of just okay.

I didn't hate it. Yeah. It was worth watching, but it wasn't as good as it should have been. As it could have been. Yeah. Like, it should, like, with the people that they had in this movie, it should have been better. And they went, a lot of it, I think, was directorial. Like, they went a weird route with it.

Like, there weren't as many creepy scenes. There wasn't the paranoia. Oh, yeah, not at all. It was, it was, it was relatively straightforward. And there wasn't as much stuff going on. Like, the first movie felt tense a lot, you know, like the whole time. And this one doesn't have that. This never did, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So far, for a show most. And that makes sense. When you guys said it was like a TV movie, it was like, oh, man, it kind of is, isn't it? unfortunately all right scores lance what do you think uh i was gonna go four but once once i once i saw the original and said okay cool at least that was clever right clever for them to do that clever for them to recreate these characters i'll go i'll go five it's like right in the middle it's

it's not horrible it's not great it's like just there it's something to watch brian what do Yeah, I'm agree. It's a five. It's definitely in the right place, straight to streaming. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But a little underwhelming because of the talent that's in it should have... Yeah, it's a way for somebody to fill out their 31 days, right? Yeah, the talent in it should have uplifted the movie. Right. So maybe you're on to some to film. Maybe it was direction.

I think a lot of it was, just the way that the movie played out and stuff. and especially with some of the choices to make it connect. I think they fucked up the timeline a little bit. Do tell. I guess we'll get that to spoilers up. I think I got to go five. Oh, five, five and five. I feel like this is a movie that I'm going to forget that I watched.

I know. I know. Except that now I'm so invested in it because I'm picking it apart. Right. But we'll get to that. Here we go. Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Can I talk about the scene that I just felt played off so comedic? When she breaks her ankle,

and she looks directly into the screen and goes like, Do? And the old Homer Simpson. Yeah, I'm just like, the look on her face, I was like, you guys could not have re-shot that and said, we're not using this tag. And then the abortion scene, which that's a serious subject. Yeah, that's a serious subject. It should be tense.

It should be uncomfortable. But then when she kicks the lady and the lady's reaction. It was like a broken lizard movie or something. That's true. She gets flying against the wall. It's like so. I don't have no abortion no more. I thought she'd be like so.

It's like so uneven. You have these moments that are... Terrible. That are obviously not supposed to be comedic. Right. And then you have a good scene when we get a Susperio remake scene with the... The one dancer that was shitty to her...

Get her limbs broken. I'm like, this movie is so uneven in its tone. Yeah, I was thinking Dakota Johnson could have done it better the whole time I was watching this movie. No, no, she did Madam Webb. I know, but just to see her. You know what I was thinking when she was writhing on the floor and doing that scene? Yeah.

Like, that would have been a whole lot more effective if you didn't fucking see it. Like in the first movie. Like in the first movie, when they said, yeah, when they said that when the guy just went blind or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you just go blind? And it's sort of a, like, pop in the face moment. Yeah, she was, she was dancing and she broke her ankle and, and contorted her back, right?

Right. And then like, but to actually watch it, then you're, you're, you're, you're seeing it going to go. Totally agreed.

Obviously, there's something fucking going on here and everybody's just watching it happen. I didn't like, I'm looking up the character's name. Was it Alan? The, the guy that ran the play?

Oh, the, the, the diabolical guy with the, yeah, the guy that's trying so hard to make you think. that this is Satan. I know.

I'm like, yeah. When it gets to the scene where she's confronting him, I'm like, just fucking stab him. It's not Satan. Let's just get it over with. He might as well have had a hat with horns on it or something, right?

No more Mr. nice guy or something. There's just so many moments that were just so comedic, like at the very end. I love that whole scene, and I'm just like, you're going to fucking ruin it by comically dancing and jumping out the window.

I'm glad. She just sat down the ledge and just fell backwards because she would have did like some kind of swan thing out the window. Swan dive. The dancing part was weird at the end. I kind of didn't hate it. Right. Really? I liked it.

I liked the whole like she's like... You liked it? Yeah, I liked it. Well, I mean, it was sort of cool. It just didn't really make sense. Okay. detail at the time

she was like dancing like what it were I took it as it was her final performance yeah yeah she's going out on her terms oh my god

boy was this thing fucking heavy handed okay yikes I see that now her final performance so the scene oh go ahead

oh go ahead hello my darling hello no that was earlier in the movie Lance I'm so I'm so mad for not commenting

on the 17 dance numbers that were in this movie. Normally I love those, but in this case it was so fucking out of place and awkward. I was like, what the fuck are we watching here? This is not how a dream is. So much jazz hands in this movie. So in Rosemary's Baby,

they have the scene in the basement where they're talking and stuff, okay? Right, right. In this movie, Blankin, you might miss it, but when she's in the basement and she sees the dead baby in the dryer and it's like a hallucination or whatever. Okay.

Okay. Fucking Rosemary walks in there. I don't know if you guys saw that, but it is straight up Rosemary. Yeah, I think. Same outfit, pig tails everything. I think that's them when there's the overview shot of her laying on the ground after she jumps in the window. I think that's the couple holding each other. Oh, yeah, for sure.

But that makes sense. That goes with the storyline of the movie. But when she's in the basement and the weird dead. baby thing, she ignores Rosemary like she doesn't know her and they don't have a conversation at all. And yet they knew each other. That's supposed to be laundry buddies.

That's what I'm saying. It seems like they would have had that conversation in there. But not only did it not make sense because... That was a fuck up then. The old lady hadn't died yet. Right.

She dies in like the next scene. Yeah, the old lawyer lady that you see... So neither... whatever. Neither they already had that conversation and they just didn't show it or they're playing it like she never had that conversation as a continuity error. But sounds like a continuity error. The old lady that dies, that's the apartment that they move into. Yeah. She's not dead yet. The one that regretted everything and wrote the letter that says, I can't do this anymore or whatever. Yeah. Which I thought was kind of neat.

the way they showed that in the new movie yeah and so that was yeah so like i i like that they sort of wrote that in but they wrote it in backwards like badly because because that's the apartment that rosemary and her husband move into because she's she's dead or she's in a coma or whatever and they mentioned that in rosemary's baby that she was in a coma and so they moved in the apartment which means that she that couldn't have been rosemary in the basement there very true very true so that's that's one of the issues I have with it. Also, the, the, the, uh, the sparkly Satan.

I don't know where that goes from. Yeah. It's like, why are, that's not how he looked in the first one. Yeah, I know. I know. It was weird. Not the best, not the, not the, not the best prequel, right? But I just thought it was kind of clever the way that they at least tried to tie it together, right?

They tried, but they didn't do their homework. Yeah. Yeah. what I'm thinking. It seems like you would with the movie like Rosemary's baby and you're making a prequel to it, you would make sure that the timeline is very congruent

and it's not in this movie. So I'm going to sound like a boomer. But was this just some fucking millennial that made the movie and said, you know, oh, I remember watching this in film class three years ago when I was in college. Probably. And I love

Bruce Moore's baby. So I'm going to make something that's an exact prequel. And then they just sure the director was very young. They just didn't do their homework, you know? You're right. If they made that many fuck-ups and it was that in congruent with the timeline of the movie. Okay, now my five start to sneak back down to a horror on this movie again. And then another one, that last scene where she...

I guess I should have seen it twice like you did. Where she jumps out the window? Right, right. Aren't many enrollment in the room with her? Yeah. because Yeah. Well then how are they walking down the

Yeah. Then how are they walking down the street later? Maybe they came downstairs after? They ran away and went out? Maybe. Maybe. Before she falls back out the window backwards,

her and Minnie lock eyes and they're smiling at each other. And then she falls out the window and then many like screams no. Yeah. And then you jump into Rosemary's baby and her and Roman are walking up street. Okay.

Not coming out the building, but it looked like they're coming to the building. Coming home from a night out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so that's weird, but guys, why is, like, the devil in this maybe like sparkly?

That's what I'm saying. It's like bedazzled. Like, bedazzled or something, right? Like, somebody got a fucking black sock and put it over themselves and put bedazzles over it. I'm the jazz. His hand devil.

Even like when he someone looked okay looking, it was just that one asshole that owned the play in a mask. Right, right. Oh, yeah. Well, that's true. They got it right. In Rose Springs, maybe they got it right, right? They just barely showed it. Like they said it.

They did a quick cutaway from the face and the claws. Yeah, and that was it. And then they showed the claw on the side of her. And then she woke up with the scratches owner. And they said, well, baby, you know, I woke that kid. So I decided to go ahead and go with you. You know, you're not mad at me for raping it while you're asleep, are you, babe? That was so creepy.

Hey, it was a little bit of necrophilia. Yeah, you know. I know. That line, that line. Maybe that's the problem. Rosemary's baby did a great job of not showing, but alluding to. It was so good. This movie tried to show you.

They had big shoes to fill. Yeah. But they tried to show you. didn't show you much you know what i mean like they didn't do it enough and then they like the stuff that they did show was kind of disappointing kind of or a lot i know and i felt like the the the cult members the sataness even though we didn't get to know a lot of them in rosemary's baby they seemed always around always yeah this one that just this one that felt like we only got to see a few of at a time until the very

end when they're at the party. Yeah. And I always felt like it was just his whole building. I mean, the doorman was in on it. Of course, yeah. And Rosemary's baby, I just felt like the whole building was just filled with them. And this one, it didn't really feel like that. I thought it kind of did. I mean,

I don't know. But we didn't see them. True. True. And then you had that whole exposition dump with the nun. Why was that even in there? Because they had to get you some information really quick, and so they just used the nun to do it. So they used the Catholic.

They used the magical Catholic, right? Yeah. She for some reason knew that this was a fucking building full of Satanists that are murdering and raping people. It's like, way red. Jesus Christ. Maybe you should tell the cops or something. No kidding. Yeah.

But yeah, that was a little lazy to me. I think the biggest problem with this movie was direction. That was so bad and lazy. Guys, I had honestly even forgotten the Nud was even in this movie. Until you just mentioned it again. Like I saw it and it went out of my mind. She's only there for like 30 seconds and all she does is explain everything. Explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, yeah.

And right into another dance number. Yeah. All right, that's enough about this one, right, guys? Yeah. I think so. All right, well, as always, I want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns. We definitely appreciate your patronage, your feedback, and your ideas. So please stay involved in all our socials.

Let us know what movies you want us to cover. Hopefully it won't be something we've already. covered and then everybody wins. Just go to thehorrorreturns.com or send us an email at the horror returns at gmail.com anytime you like. Next week, we are going to be joined by Darren Wilson of the Psychosomatic Podcast, part of the Legion

Network, to talk about Salem's Lot. And Brian, as you've heard me say many times before, when the fuck is this new Salon's Lot movie really coming out? and I guess it really finally is? Is this a real thing or is this a fake out? Well, we watched a trailer, Lance. You remember? I know, but I've seen trailers that didn't really happen, too.

So I'm reserving judgment. When is it going to be released? It's coming straight to Max, right? And the only thing that popped up was a trailer. I was a couple weeks ago, but still. It releases this stacked Friday. This Friday on Max. For sure, right?

As of recording this, it'll be October 4th. I don't know what Lance is talking about trailers that never happened. That sounds like Lance was under the influence or something. If he's watching stuff, that never happened. Could be. Maybe he's got a demon baby. David baby.

We're looking forward to it. Finally, the new Salem slide. So, Brian, until the horror returns again, good night.