The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #446: Late Phases (2014) & Werewolves (2024)

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Steve Carlton from The Geekz joins us for werewolf week. Cool of the week includes Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, The Creepshow Christmas Special, and Ted Lasso. Trailers are The Gorge and 28 Years Later. The podcast spotlight shins on Collective Nightmares. And we get feedback from Matt Wood, Tim Davis, Caryn Shelton, Abram Sullivan, Joseph Rivers, Ozi Gum, Ghalion Rabbitt, Barry Black, Thando Bam, Todd Copeland, and Johnny Ray. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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Welcome back one and all to the horror returns. I am Philip and with me is my loyal co-host, Brian. Lance is not here, but we're placing. him today is Steve Carlton from the geeks. What's up, fellas? Hey man, thank you for having me. I'm happy to pinch hit for Lance. That's not exactly what was supposed to happen, but here we are. Well, yeah, hey, we'll take it. How everything's going with the geeks? Going good, going strong. We've been Sands a little for a little while. He was on the very secretive Disney cruise. They were like, it was like the first people.

It was like a new ship. So he was like testing shit. So hopefully we'll get some good. details on that coming forward but just been a lot of salt and pebbling. Secret of Disney crews sounds nefarious. I mean, you could think of it that way, right? He did send one picture and then and then as soon as that happened, he was dead for like four days. There's no contact. I was like, oh, somebody found out he sent a photo. It's the room overboard.

Brian, how you doing, man? Doing okay. getting warmer here. Getting warmer. Yeah, which means it's also getting dangerous because stuff's melting a little bit. It's slushy. Yeah.

Not going to say I haven't busted my ass a couple times walking a dog. What a pain in the ass. Like I always think, you know, I'd really like to live somewhere where there's snow, but then you have to live somewhere where there's snow. Yeah. Like snow is fun.

It's not in the same way. Like it snowed here once. Since I lived here six years, it snowed here once, and it only last. It was only on the ground for like an hour or two, and then it was all gone. Then I was like, that was enough for me. Yeah. That was good. We get our feel.

All right. Steve, you got a cool week for us this week? It's been a busy week. Lots of stuff. Lots and lots of stuff. Oh, good. There was, I know Brian talked a little bit about it, but skeleton crew is phenomenal. I had a lot of fun with that.

And then pretty much I've been kind of living in like Taylor Sheridan universe for the last week and blew right through Lioness all caught up with Landman. Landman is something special right there. Is that the one with Billy Bob? Billy Bob. Oh, yeah. Is Paramount Plus just basically the Sheridan Network? You know what? And they're all the better for it. The only thing I got to do, though, is I'm still watching stuff by other means because.

Paramount Plus is too wicked with them commercials. Like, you put on an episode of Lioness, and it's like eight commercial breaks, and they're each like four minutes. I'm like, ah, it turns a 45-minute episode in an hour and a half. That's what happened. I watched Landman episode one on Paramount Plus,

and it's at 56 minutes. I'm like, all right, an hour and a half later it ended. I'm like, Jesus Christ, there's too much with the commercials. Well, and then the shit that they're doing with Yellowstone, where they, like, if you're not catching it on TV, you're not watching it. Oh, shit.

They wait till it's like the next episode or something before they put the other one. I think they're waiting until the season's complete to put it out on Paramount for the new Yellowstone. I mean, I'm not 100% positive on that, but that seemed to be the route that they were taken, at least at the beginning of it, which seems insane. I've fallen off the Yellowstone. I watched a little bit past where, what's the big anger cowboy with the black hair? What's his name? The main guy that's with Beth. What's his name?

I can't remember. Yeah, Rip. Rip. When he threw a rattlesnake, Sawyer from Lost, and it hit him in the face and killed him. That's about around the time where I was like, I need to find some of the stuff to watch.

That was cool, but like, a lot of Shast to go right for that to work, you know? Jumping the rattlesnake. But, yeah, Lion Landman. Brian, you watch any of that yet? I'm only Taylor, Taylor shared and stuff

I'm watching as Tulsa King. Tulsa King's phenomenal too. Tulsa King. Everything's on the list, though. Yeah, yeah. Allie Larder in Landman. Anyways. I forgot about her.

This show will help you remember in a big bad way. I see, Nalli Larder in a minute. But I would have to go, I guess my cool thing would have to definitely be Indiana Jones in the Great Circle, I think, is what it's called. I'm not sure. It's a brand-new video game. just dropped. If you have game pass, it is free for you. I mean, you pay 20 bucks a month for game pass, but it's one of their AAA titles that you just get day one. I downloaded that,

and you're basically playing a new Indiana Jones movie. It's a young Harrison Ford. They got the voice acting is on point. The graphics are great. The whole opening mission where you're learning the buttons is all the opening of Raiders of the Lost Ark. You literally get to run away from the big ball. Like, it's fucking awesome. That's cool. The music is on point. You like get to knock people out and then like as the cut scene comes in, you like drop a one liner and leave. I'm like, oh, it's tough. You know, it's very, very cool. It's a lot, it's a lot of fun.

There's guns in it, but now it's not really a point. It's way more fun to like, everything around you is you can pick up and beat people with. So it's just like, oh, that bottle broke, pick up a shovel, bam. Oh, you can hit people with a whip too. Okay, cool. You can nail them with the whip. But it's, it's like tricky. It's a lot easier just to pick up a shovel or a wrench and bash them over the head.

I got you. So it's a lot of fun. The Cool of the week definitely has to be Indiana Jones in the Great Circle. I'm playing it on Xbox, but it's available everywhere. Check that one out. That may be my next video game. It's good. I'll go next since Brian's are always the best anyway.

Speaking of video games, that's going to be the next one I'm going to play. But I went to my parents' house over Thanksgiving and found my old Nintendo Entertainment system, the original one. And so I brought that back and cleaned it up and got it working. So I'm going to go to the sun. Does it have the sunstain or is it like nice? Yeah. My old one got all yellowed. Yeah, on the outside of it, it's less than desirable, but it's not awful.

But it works. It works. That's what it counts. Well, I had to replace a couple parts, but now it works. So I'm excited about that. I think that's better than like having the, you know, 20,000 games in one, thing, putting in the actual cartridges and letting it go, I think that's going to be fun. Oh, yeah, you get the joy of blowing in them, putting it in just right and smash them down.

You got to go through the pain of the ass. The thing is, though, those Nintendo games, those original ones, hard as shit. Yeah, they are. There are some of them. There are some of them. Hard, man. Unforgiven. That and I watched the Christmas creep show,

special. I think it came out maybe a couple of years ago, but I'd never seen it. It's the werewolf one? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, the werewolf one. We put that on, and I had a lot of fun with it. I mean, it's ridiculous, but it's, you know, it's a creep show. What are you going to do? And it was fun. Watched it with the family. And that's what I got for Cool the Week this week. What do you got, Brian? Really quick. Was it last week that you guys were talking about whether or not Gremlins was a Christmas movie or not. Also, you guys were talking about that? Christmas movie. Yeah, it's 100% a Christmas movie.

Yeah, I'm like, the opening song, like, is Christmas. It was you, because you were like, shut up, Joe Dante. Definitely was you. Yeah, Joe Dante needs to chill. That's a Christmas movie in and out, because we've already watched it

as soon as December hit. Remlins was on. There it is. Brian, what you got? Let's see. I got two shows this week. I checked out the first two episodes of Creature Commandos, the new DC animated. Was it completely directed by James Gunn?

At least the first two episodes are. I don't know about it moving forward. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I was a little iffy on the animation at first. It took me a minute to get used to it. But all those, everything you loved about James Gunn with his ensemble cast of weird characters. It just it works and it got real adult there. It's not for the kids.

There's a lot of fucking in the show. Well, my daughter was 14. So she's kind of tall in that line of some things I let go by. But when the sex scene happened, she looked at me. He was like, what are we watching? I was like, oh, oh, oh. I didn't know what we were getting into either, man. Oh, and then the whole bride of Frankenstein, her whole story, that's a lot of sexier.

it was ever been told before. Yeah. So. So. Sexy Brider Frankenstein. I'll take it. Two episodes are on Max now. I think every Thursday they're dropping an episode. So recommend

that. And my second show, I finally started Ted Lassau. Oh, still and watch that one. Enjoying it. I think I binge the first season in like two days. Wow. I just love

Jason Sadecas as this positive Southern accent having football coach that gets flown into England to coach soccer, which he has no idea about the game, but makes it work. And of course, you've got the little cast of characters that make up the team. It's great. That's not the bad wrong with putting on a little light watching. I watched the first season of Ted Lasso.

Didn't go back after that. But that was because it was a break. I watched it when it first came out. I enjoyed it. I just haven't felt the urge to go back. But when you're in a sea of darkness, like the shit we usually watch. Yeah. It's not bad to throw on something nice every now and then.

I'm a little lighthearted. And as per my agreement with Lance, I'm continuing my 25 days of Christmas. Didn't watch anything new that I could speak of. Everything was just stuff I've seen a million times before. But I am keeping up with that. So, but no new. movies. Are they all horror Christmas or just random Christmas? I snuck a couple in there. The original Black Christmas.

I forgot. Something else I snuck in there. Gonna watch Gremlins, of course. Die hard. Christmas horror has almost become over the last few years like its own subgenre. There's so many Christmas horror movies. And some of them aren't bad. Like, I really like that. What was it?

Violent Night? Violent at David Harbour? Yeah. It was a great movie. Well, in a couple weeks, we're going to watch some really bad Christmas War movies. Awesome. Deep into the Silent Night Deadly Night franchise. Oh, here we go.

Well, it can't be any cheesier than any normal Christmas movie. Cool movie posters, though. Especially four with all those stuffed animals. Mm. Was that the Toy Maker? Mm-hmm. The poster had nothing to do with the movie, but it was fucking cool. The movie has nothing to do with the movie.

Silent Night Deadly Night. I think they're remaking that. Yeah, with the... Oh, yeah, the Terifier guys. Oh, yeah. And the guy that's directing it did the wrong turn remake. Okay. I'm on bad.

It's actually decent. Like, when did that come out? A couple of years ago. In my head, you're like, you said wrong turn, and I was like picturing fucking Paul Walker and Steve Zon and Lili Sobieski. That's Joyride. That's a whole different movie. You're talking about, okay.

The truckers. Yes, yes. But that's my cool, Louie, to the last one. All right. I can burn through that section. What have got in all your headlines, Brian? Let's see. We got an official title for one of the, I believe, two or three Evil Dead spin-off movies coming out.

And it is officially titled Evil Dead Burn. Okay. What is it mean Evil Dead? Evil Dead Spinoff. Random word. They are continuing because I guess the first of these was, of course, Evil Dead Rise. Okay. And Sam Ramey wrote basically a Bible for all these directors to follow off of the main story.

So we won't get any Ryan Johnson Star Wars shit happening to do my own thing. And the first one coming out is this evil dead burn, which I'm not even going to try to pronounce the director's name. But he did that a spider movie we reviewed a couple months ago. Oh, yeah. Okay. That wasn't bad. Well, was that the foreign one? Like French or whatever?

Yeah. No, it was infested. I watched the trailer with that for that with you guys. I wanted to see that. The trailer was cool. Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's not bad.

They're like in an apartment building or something and all, there's crazy spiders everywhere. It's a little cheesy, but it's fine. It comes to raid. Yeah. We've got to get through these levels. Yeah, there you go. That's cool. I love me some raid.

Let's see here. What else we got? Final Destination Bloodlines is coming to theaters, not Max anymore, May 2025. All right. I can dig a new Final Destination movie. Seems like they got some high hopes for it. You know, it was supposed to go direct to streaming, but now it's coming out in theaters. That's good sign.

Horrible, though. Final Destination is actually not, like, it's pretty, solid as far as franchises go. Like the first one's probably still the best like story wise and acting wise. But those kills got wild. Yeah. Shit got crazy. Oh, that's the fun part. Like the, I forget which one it was, but the gymnastics death is still, still the top one for me. I mean, I still get nervous around wood, you know, logging trucks. Yeah, those logging trucks. That was classic. And I love in the mountains. So I'm around those guys a lot. But like, the, the The gymnastics one were like, oh, the dust flew up in the air,

and she was flipping and missed and just her whole body just... Ugh. That was the worst. Trying to see if there's anything. That show I talked about on Shutter Horror's Greatest is getting the second season. Okay. Which Lance kind of talked about. He talked about how he watched like half an episode and then turned it on to another show.

So I don't know what this. time, Brian. It's so much time. I don't know what that says about the show. Well, I don't know. You can't ever really gauge anything off of Lantz's stuff. I'm not even sure if he liked, because he said he turned it off to watch the Creek tapes, and I'm not even sure if he liked that or not.

I was like in the Creep tapes. How many episodes are out of the Creep tapes? I think six now. Oh, okay. I watched like the first three. Pretty good. Jennifer Love Hewitt is close to returning for the I Know What You Did Last Summer, Legacy sequel, which I don't know how good that is for the movie since they've already started filming. She hasn't decided.

So clearly the script doesn't mean anything, unless they're just going to bring her back for a cameo. They just need her right so they can AI generate her in. You can throw her in as a cameo because I always thought she was miscast. Yeah. They should have swapped a role with Sarah Michelle Gallet. Well, the whole thing is that that whole franchise should have just stopped after the first one and let it be. Because that first one was fine. It's fine.

And there's only like three people that die in the whole fucking movie anyways. The whole, it garnered a sequel for some reason. Like, it doesn't even make sense. But they were trying to make it the new scream and it just wasn't. No. No, because they convoluted with the story. Like, wait, so this fisherman from fucking Maine was like, his whole family had their burial plot in fucking the Bermuda. Like, what the fuck?

And there's a ghost. Yeah, I can't even remember the whole storyline of that, but I know it wasn't good. Let's see. Ariana Revis is the latest to join the Blackphone 2 cast. Black phone Lance really did I can't I don't know what that guy

So it's gonna be one of those nights Where he just make fun of Lance Because he's not here but Well you have to Yeah Like I don't I don't understand sometimes Because like Hugh confused this shit out of me

When I'm listening to your shit He'll be like Talking all this good shit And then it'll be like What do you rate it? And he's like a three I'm like what You just talked about all this good shit

And then you just ended it with like Add to 2 I was bored Or here's how awful it was it was an eight I love it though it keeps you on your toes I'm not seeing any big news

there's a lot of small casting for the upcoming screen movie looks like they're going with a lot of unknown people which I heard Patrick Dempsey is part of the main story which I heard they haven't even locked him down yet he's probably holding out to see what they're going to do it seems like a fucking mess it's a hot mess.

They had to stop a whole movie, do a whole other movie that they weren't planning on. New directors, new writers, new everything, new people. Yeah, that doesn't usually work out well. A scream, though. So I'm got to go see it. Yeah, I don't see any new news. So I guess that's it.

All right. Let's head on down to the trailer park, where we bring you the big, the small, and sometimes a very, very weird. Brian, what do we got this week? We got Scott Derrickson's Survival Action Horror movie, The Gorge, the stars.

The George. Miles Teller, Anya Taylor, Farr Eyes, Sigourney Weaver. Sigourney Weaver? Yeah, she was in there for a hot set. Oh, I don't even see her. And...

That's it. monsters. Which that threw me off. I thought this was just some kind of assassins. Kind of reminded me of you guys ever see that what's Magneto's

name, the newer Magneto? Macal Fassbender. Yeah, that movie he did the killer where he's just like camped out somebody's... Oh, I did not watch that. I heard it was boring, so I did. It was kind of boring, yeah. Just kind of

Gave me the vibe of these two killers camped out for some reason on opposite sides. And then as the trailer goes, there seemed to be some creature in the gorge that climbs up tower. Yeah, the dude that is putting Miles Teller and telling him where everything is, what everything, you know, how it's all going to be is like, oh, yeah, this is the gateway to hell. And you've got to stop what's coming through it. He throws like this weird energy grenade down there and some monster roars. I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah. Sweet.

Like, I can get down with this. But then the movie, then the trailer proceeds to explain, like, the rest of the movie to you. Like, how everything happens. Yeah, sort of gets into this weird story thing for a second. Yeah. And then, like, he's zip lining, and then it breaks. She's, I'm like, okay, wait. That all has to be third action.

So they're definitely going into the gorge because it's right there in the trailer. Also, I did notice at the very end had that rated PG-13 thing at the bottom. Yeah. But I mean, so maybe there's no profanity. There's not crazy. There's only three fucking people in the movie, so it can't be that many, you know, that bloody. Yeah.

I've still be all right with it. I've seen a lot, I've seen some PG-13 horror movies that were better than some of the more or things out there. That's true. How much of the movie is, Doherty we were really going to be in it? The board meeting, where she sends Miles Telling to his assignment. That's it. Maybe on the radio after that.

She's a good voice actress. This seems like a mostly on your, Taylor Joy and Miles Teller movie. Yeah, because when she popped up, I immediately thought of Chappie, the cabin in the woods, the newer Gunsbuster sequels.

Jurassic World. She's just the voice of the intercoms. And then Anya Taylor Joy, Russian again. Like, this is a thing for you. You got that Russian accent down, and you do look Russian, so it works. She might be Russian. I don't know. Well, we got time. Let's find out. She is born in Miami.

Not Russian. Well, but that doesn't mean she's not Russian. She raised in Buenos Aires in London. Her name is Anya. She has to have some kind of Russian in there. That's true. Early life. Her father is Argentinian. Her mother is.

I knew that. She speaks. like fluent Spanish. Her dad's what? Her mom is Zambaya, Central East Africa. What? She's a Russian dog. They just like the name on you. All right. She's African and Argentinian, and she is the weirdest white person you'll ever see with blonde hair. Her eyes are far apart of her. She is. Good. I think she's, She might be a part alien. It's possible.

I haven't seen Furiosa, but I've liked almost everything she's been in. I even liked her in New Mutants. That's not a good movie, but she was good. You should really watch Furiosa if you have like three and a half hours of spare. That's why I haven't. I'm like, everyone's like, Mad Max Ferrer was the best. It was really good, but like. It's good.

I'll tell you it's good, but that runtime really just takes it out. because Fairy Road was just so fast-paced to the point. It just kept moving, moving, moving. And there's just a lot of, let's explain this part of her life. Then jump to another part of her life and explain that. Then we have an action scene. Yeah, but I'll get to it eventually. I think I'm pretty sure I saw a clip of her speaking Spanish one time.

And she is super fluent. Had no idea. Makes sense if she spent both of it. a lot of reliable bono's heritage. Yeah. All right. That's neat. The Gorge coming to Apple TV

Plus, February 14th. Valentine's Day movie. Ooh. Oh. That's why they put the love story aspect in there. Well, she described it. She did a little interview and described it as how,

like, two snipers fall in love through their sniper scopes. Are they snipers? Well, Sean, he watched this on his birthday. 100%. He's the one that showed me the trailers. Oh, okay. He was ready for that.

Oh, this is coming out on my day. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, if it's got something to do with Sean. Now to the big trailer that dropped last night, like at midnight, 28 years later, this is directed by Danny Boyle, of course, screenplayed by Alex Garland. This stars Jody Comer. Aaron Taylor Johnson, Ray Fines, and Sillian Murphy,

which a lot of people are saying that skinny zombie at the end is Zombies him? It looks like him. It does look like it when you freeze frame it. They got the pictures up there with Killian Murphy next to that zombie, side by side, and I'm like, if it ate him, it's a nice Easter egg. Yeah. This is the first of a planned trilogy, which they've already, I think, begun filming the trilogy.

I'm reading here Part 2 was filmed back to back with this one and is already titled The 28 years later Part 2 The Bone Temple and it's directed by Nia da Costa which she directed The Candyman, the newest one.

That was good. Okay. So what do you guys think? I liked it. I think it's like a glimpse into like what the people are going to be like after the world's been devastated like that. You see all these different.

tribes kind of popping up here and there. He looks like Aaron Taylor Johnson has to get that boy from some place to some other place. This was a road trip movie. Yeah, there you go. With zombies and infected and fucking assholes out there. I agree with you there.

I don't know if I like the artistic approach to this particular trailer. That lady doing the voice thing over and over was got it like got old for me yeah that was annoying now the movie looks like it's probably going to be pretty good i just didn't super enjoy this trailer i liked both of the other ones so my my hopes are high for this one yeah yeah i'm into this one um i like the the poster basically talking about you know 28 days it began and it spread and now it evolved because you know

We all know, of course, you know, viruses change and evolves. I'm interested to see what the people aspect of the movie involves. And we got glimpses of what some of the creatures could be. There was one crawling on the ground that looked rather disgusting, that I kind of want to see in full view what that one looks like. Oh, yeah. Kelly Murphy popping out of the bushes was scary as shit. Yeah, that's what I'm interested in because they said the second one.

they were just hoping that they would just die from starvation. He looks starved very much alive. Unless it was like a trap. He's like on like a little pegboard or something. There's like somebody tripped a wire. It's like a scarecrow. He's like, oh, no. But I'm into this one.

Yep. I agree. I kind of feel like the voiceover, the count of the numbers, has something to do with the movie that we'll find out in the movie. Yeah. It kind of sounded culty. Yeah, it did.

And I can get that. It just did this. Like, it didn't grab me and go, ah, I get excited about this movie. I was like, ah, shut up. This one hits theaters June 20th next year. 20, 25 is going to be a busy year. Yeah.

All right. Movies back in swing. On to listener feedback. This week, we shine the podcast. Spotlight on Collective Nightmares. We are sociologists interested in bringing a sociological perspective to the writing, production, and analysis of horror films broadly defined. All right. Collective nightmares. Horror podcast for smart folks.

Matt Wood posted a photo of a huge VHS Christmas collection. Is this your Christmas collection, Lance? Most of his Christmas collections on the Hallmark channel, in it? I would like to say that that might be more my Christmas collection. Yeah, there you go. Then Lances, I have several hundred. That's pretty awesome. You got a whole little blockbuster down there.

Oh, yeah. It's grown. I had to get rid of about 300, and now I'm a backup to even more than I had before. There it is. In regards to crampus Karen Shelton says I grew up listening to stories about The crampus. My mother is from Austria.

Joseph Friber says I watched it on crampish knock. I guess that's like Christmas Eve or something. In regards to Terror Fire 3, Abram Sullivan says it's the most, it is, uh,

okay, it is the most disgusting Christmas horror movie I've ever seen. Ozzy Gum says, yes, that's what makes it a good horror movie. And I have to shout out, I talked about the guy that got all pissed off about the killing of children and Terrified 3 and,

oh yeah, tried to go on a rant and then was attacked by our Facebook followers. He started another thread in a different post with the same thing again. I got to applaud your commitment, but you are again getting attacked. It's the wrong form, man.

You got to read the room, brother. Yeah. You're talking to a crowd of people that enjoyed that shit. That's what makes terror fire kind of awesome. It's crazy. It's offensive and you shouldn't see, but that's the point. It's supposed to piss you off. The part is he's getting so upset about it.

They didn't even show it on camera. I know. Let's see. Gremlin's Galleon Rabbit says, Remember, it's not Christmas until Hans Gruber falls off

Nakatomi Plaza and Mrs. Deagle flies out a window. 100%. That shit makes me laugh every time. Let's see. In regards to Nospheratu, Barry Black says

this looks incredible. You're hearing great things about it. It looks just from the previews like Dracula. Well, to me. It is. Dracula is based on it. So it's basically Bram Stoker's Dracula. The whole story is based on the Nospiratu stuff.

So it's essentially the same story. It's not Nina. You know, it's not Winona Ryder in a fucking Keanu Reeves. It's Nicholas Holton. Johnny Debs daughter. And since we're taking shots at Lance, I will say this will be the most confusing review. Because the whole style of this movie is right up Lance's alley, but for some reason he's not fond of the director. Robert Eggers?

Why not? I mean, he's done some good stuff, right? With Lance, you got one chance to fuck up. And according to Lance, he fucked up with the Northman. Oh, I thought that one was fun. I mean, the Northman for me, like, was too hyped. When I saw it, I was expecting, like, oh, my God. And it was good, but it was, like, part of it felt like a drug-induced fever dream.

And I'm just like, what am I watching here? It's like this. Oh, yeah. It was one of those movies where it had me looking stuff up constantly on the rewatch, like, reference that would be made or things will be. come up and I'm like, oh, is this really happening? Or did this really happen in Norse mythology or whatever? And he pulled a lot of stuff for the movie, which I thought was pretty cool.

I liked The Vitch very much. Yes. That was a great one. Although his stuff does get out there. So we'll see. I think that might play well in this movie. Yeah. I think so.

There's going to be a lot of, this was good, this was good. three out of ten they played that trailer twice in my theater today so I have a bone to pick about theaters and they're bullshit before the movie

they're playing commercials between the trailers now I'm like yeah yeah how are you going to go from trailer to Eminem's commercial another trailer what are we doing Coca-Cola I fucking get it do you really need to advertise at this point all commercials should be played

pre lights going out. Yes. I don't want to be sitting here looking at a golden fucking tea. You know, what is that? That's sweet tea. This guy riding through the vineyards and shit, that's a three minute commercial. I'm like, the fucking lights been off. The movie's supposed to start 20 minutes ago.

I can't remember the last fucking movie I went to that even started on time. No, no. It was hilarious too. When the lights finally went out, that was one guy down the first road, he was like, just start the fucking movie already. Yeah. Whole theater thought it was funny. Like, in this one, I like every fucking movie experience I've been to in the past year, at least.

Like, this one I went to, the lights didn't even, the movie was supposed to start at like six or whatever, and the lights didn't even go out until like 6.15. I was like, what are we doing? Yeah. I got places to be. What on we got there? And it started like 20 minutes early. Like, I walked in, thought I was early for the movie, and it was just. just starting. And there was like, the theater was still empty.

I was like, man, people are going to be pissed about this. Times at your theater mean, like, as much as, like, the number scores do here. It's just like, well, whatever we feel like. Yeah. And at different theaters, it's crazy. Anyway. In regards to Smile 2, Tando Bam says, can I ask, can I ask so all those people who are at the concert watching skydiving, Will they also be affected by this demon?

Oh, watching Sky dying. I got you. It's that part in the movie. Yeah, I was like, wait, what? I would assume so, right? That's how it works. Yeah, I think that was kind of the point of the whole thing. Now it's spread.

Now it's wide. Yeah, now it's everywhere. I think they can go the route. It's spread or one specific person in the crowd. Got it. Yeah. I'm okay that they left it sort of open to interpretation. But my interpretation is that he was trying to infect as many people as possible. Although it seems like that would have been easier to do a long time ago, but whatever. The demon just is just tired. I don't want to do this no more. Too many people. I don't restretched. Spread myself too thin. I'm exhausted. Todd Copeland says, started to watch it last night. So far so good. Yeah, it's a good. Yeah, it's a good.

great movie like that's my shining star for the year so far maybe i don't know i have to go look we still haven't got to wear wolves yet yeah well i think i haven't you started looking my top ten uh let's see in regards to the gorge uh johnny ray says sigourney weaver once again playing a high-ranking official who watches over an opening to the underworld l-o-l and i'm in Let's see Lance sent me something else too Let me check it real quick y'all Because we got a little bit more feedback

Oh David Barta Finally got his t-shirts So that's awesome And Tim Davis Responding to Street Trash The 2024 version Says I never thought I'd say this But I agree with Lance Langford

On Street Trash 2024 I still want to see it. I like the first one. The first one was ridiculous. Yeah. This one's kind of ridiculous, too. Yeah, but is it playing fucking hot potato with a dick ridiculous or not quite there? It's not playing a hot potato with a dick, but there is a dick.

There's a scene. Yeah, they definitely pay homage to it. Fantastic. That first one is a movie you'll never forget. All right. That's it for listener feedback. Of course, our new logos and intro come from this man right here, Steve Carlton from the Geeks. Oh, yes, yes.

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Oh, no. Don't give anybody any ideas. Sorry, I just put it out in the universe. I'm sorry, Brian. I thought out loud. I had a thought out of it. I almost watched it. It's out there, by other means, it's... Ask my daughter, are you interested?

Because I'll watch it if you want to watch it. And she looked at me like she really wanted... This is going to be the first time she cussed in front of me. My wife and my daughter went and saw it. My daughter, who's into theater, she loved it. My wife was like, oh, I liked it, but you wouldn't like it. And so it's by other means, it's out there. Not in great quality, but it's good quality.

So, like, I put it on and six minutes in. six solid minutes of singing, well, I'm about done with this. That's why I don't want to watch it. When Lance says two minutes into the movie, and they're singing already, and I was like, well, it's a musical. And he's looking at me like, no, they're singing, singing. Like, this is a real. It's a whole other movie coming now. And Ariana Grande is one of the main characters, so.

Yeah, music is not made for me. Not my thing. Never have been. There's a select few, like, Little Shop of Horrors or... Yeah. I like Cry Baby. Tenacious D. Tenacious D.

Pick of Destiny. I could watch that. But that's about it. I don't like Anna and the Apocalypse. I don't like Little Shopper... I don't like musicals at all. I didn't hate Anna in the Apocalypse. Nope.

Zero. Fair enough. I don't like it. Musicals drive me fucking crazy. All right. On to our featured attractions. We howl at the moon for Werewolf Week with this brand new Werewolves and 2014's Late Phases or Night of the Wolf or Night of the Lone Wolf. It's got like three different names.

It's like Late Phases, colon, Night of the Lone Wolf. But it's not a lone wolf. There's a whole bunch of them motherfuckus. So it's really confusing. It is. Yeah. And which didn't give me Warm and Fuzzy

vibes when I first was looking for this movie. I'm like, I'm pretty sure if I have the right fucking one. Very cool poster. Very cool poster, actually. Speed limit, 25. Easy, boy. It reminds me of that place that we used to live in when I was a kid. Looks like we beat the moor's here.

I can't see you, but you smell beautiful. Did you just move next door? All right, but let's start with. late phases from 2014. When deadly beast attack from the forest, it is up to a grizzled veteran to uncover what the residents of a secluded

retirement community are hiding. Director is Adrian Garcia Bogliano, also known for Here Comes the Devil and Cold Sweat. Writer is Eric Stoltz, also known for the stylist. Eric Stoltz. I was like, wait,

the Eric Stoltz? I know. Is it? No. No, I can't be. The guy that was Marty McFly. Yeah. That's what I was like, I know that name. The guy that, you know,

that was playing Pete Diddy and butterfly effect. Which one? Which one? What were talking about here? A transformation scene was intended to be, oh, the transformation scene was intended to be done in one shot with a technologically new camera rig

that would be programmed to shoot from multiple angles, as if it were a single shot. However, an unforeseen problem. was that since no one had ever used it before, it took two full days to program the rig properly. I mean, it was technologically new. Yeah.

Seems like a dad design. Yeah. Although, you know, you turn one day into three days. That's not awful in the movie business, I imagine. As Ambrose states in the film, it is, in fact, legal for the visually impaired to own firearms in the United States. disabled Americans have the same protected rights as any other American gun owners. I get it.

Seems dangerous, but I get it. That's my attitude. America. I'm like playing the lottery with these blind folks. I don't know. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. Are you allowed to have one? Sure.

Is it a good idea? Maybe not. I mean, Ambrose someone I trusted with a gun until the part of the movie where he almost shot his son. Yeah. I was kind of waiting for that to happen. I would trust him with the gun if it was like his house he'd been living in for a minute. But this is a new joint. He don't know where nothing is.

It's going to take him a bit to get his bearings. He's just shooting wildly. I think there's a scene where he's like kind of shuffling along and he runs into the mattress. And he's like, oh, this must be the bedroom. Yes, yes. He's like in his own house. He's constantly like putting his hands out trying to fight where shit is. I don't trust him with a gun yet.

You know, give him a few months in this house. Maybe I'll come around. Stubborn old motherfucker. Well, what do you think, Steve? Late phases. This is the second time I've seen this. We reviewed this for The Geeks 31 Days a few years back now. Nick Demichie, he's an interesting guy.

I've seen most of his movies, and they all have the same kind of thing in common, like the Steakland movies, Mulberry Street. They're all pretty good with a low budget. like and he's all i actually think the nick mitchie's a really good actor i'm surprised he's not in more yeah me too um here you know the werewolf genre is near and dear to my heart um it's tragic that there's only like a couple of good werewolf movies and a whole bunch of garbage to sift through to get to those few good ones yeah and for me a big part of it falls down to the werewolf design

and here i did not like these werewolves designs with their tiny little weird needle teeth and their big fucking gerbo faces. I don't know what animals they were going for, but wolves was not it. Like, ugh, it's so frustrated because most of the rest of this movie is pretty sweet. Yeah. It's just a werewolf design, really for me, that brings it down a notch. But other than that, and they're still really not that, I like these better than I liked all the werewolves in Underworld.

Like, those look like weird, like hairless rat things. I don't know what those are, but this at least. He's hard to get that were. design down right. Except like in the sequels to Underworld, when they had that werewolf god, like the original one, now that one looked awesome,

the white one with the big long snout. Like, I need that classic werewolf look. Yeah. For it to really hit home for me. And this, they do some good things, some not so good things.

Um, but. They're always so slimy. I don't understand it. Yeah, yeah. And this one in particular, well, this one,

they kind of hop through a dude. You know, they kind of pop out from a, underneath you so I get they kind of got all that visceral on them but I I like this one I'm going to knock it slightly for the world designs but it's only slightly I actually thought this was a pretty good movie I thought Ethan Embry was good Nick Meechie was good set up a nice little story I like whereos attacking old folks and you got these senior citizen werewolf running around it's pretty sweet it's a cool little idea so all right Brian what you think this is my second time watching it and I think it's been

probably almost a good 10 years since I've seen it originally, because I don't remember how dramatic and slow it got at times. But I thought that added to the character Nick Demichu is playing. And he's a great guy, Steve. We actually interviewed him a few years ago, which is probably not available anymore. It might get that re-uploaded. Yeah, super cool guy.

He's awesome. And I thought he played the hell out of this role. I like the dynamic between him and Ethan Embry because you didn't really have to go into their relationship to understand that there was issues there. So I'm glad we didn't have to go through all that. He's an asshole, too, you know. He's an asshole of those old ladies that come bringing food.

He's super short and shitty to him. I like that. I couldn't live in this community. I don't need the guy telling me it's 25 miles per hour every time I come in the gate. Yeah. For real. And then like the busy body's like,

oh, he can't ride this bus. I need him on a different, like, you're allowed to do that? Like, make that bitch ride on another bus in. I know. God damn, Rosa Parks. And then the pastor, he was cool too. I liked him, smoking pastor.

Wasn't that a... He's a character actor. Killer. Who's that? And Manhunter. Wasn't that him? Let's see I'm trying to pull up the IMDB right now

I know he was the villain in Last Action Hero Oh yeah he played Yeah he played Jack the Rinkberg Huh Look at Son of a bitch I can't find it Yeah I hadn't seen Last Action Hero since I was a kid

Oh Tom Noonan That's who it was He was in Robocop 2 Oh house of the Oh Robocopster He was cane Yeah, Monster Squad, there you go. Yeah, he was Frankenstein and Monster Squad.

Damn, he was in Wolfen? He was in another War Wolf movie. Yeah, he's awesome. They had a pretty good cast here for having such an obviously low budget. Eight-legged Freaks, that was the one. That's why I remember him from. Can't I remember his name, but he's a character actor.

Larry Fesnit, and I think I'll pronounce, he's in a bunch of stuff. He was in here. A lot of, if you're a fan of horror movies, you saw a lot of people you recognize in this movie. Yeah. And I agree with you, Steve. I'm not a fan of the werewolf design, but I am a fan of the transformation. Very much so.

It was interesting. It was something different. I like when it was like all slow and then popped right out of his face. Oh, yeah. Just tore the skin off. That was cool. It reminds me of the, like, the trick-or-treat transformation scenes where the chis was ripping their skin. him. But then it went into a horrible scene of him jumping onto a car, attacking someone through a

windshield that looked super bad to me. Yeah. Well, and I always get a kick out of werewolves that like hit people and backhand him. Like what? Or like grab them and throw them, but like they don't scratch them somehow. I'm like, yeah. Like, why are, why is this werewolf punching this old man? Like, why can't he just like kill him? You know, I don't understand that. Bight his fucking head off. A little confused at the ending is Ethan Embry, a werewolf hunter now, and why did he shoot the moon? Well, I think that was the... I don't think it quite got there.

The 21 gun salute at his father's funeral is what I think that was. Except it was a one gun salute. He made sure to point at the full moon and shoot it. Yeah. And he was aiming awful hard considering those should be blanks. The sequel is that Ethan Embry is that Ethan Embry and he was. is fucked because he's the only person here and there is nothing but a bunch of dead naked old people yeah i think i'd want to get about as far away from that place as possible get out of it and what does he do he picks up the one of the only firearms and one that's responsible for shooting several

of these dead old people and he puts his hand on it and pulls the trigger i need to see a movie about that story because they seem to rush by all that and go straight to his dad's funeral I was thinking about that That's what happens As soon as they leave the cop's funeral He's led away in handcuffs On to the prison bus I was like what was your story

But even if they go Because that's what I was thinking It's like what is the new story going to be When this comes out Because the cops are going to show up And think that this old man Just killed all these fucking old people Why are they naked?

He's all dressed up in his fucking military He lost his shit He suited up and went on a killing spree. He got to fight it to the blinders party. Let's be honest when the cops showed up when somebody died, they were like, this happens a lot around here. Yeah, that's

true. They weren't too bothered by it. Yeah, I guess they were all kind of like shut up old people. You're going to die anyways. What are you binging about? That's like, that's kind of the attitude they had. Holy shit, something busted through my wall last night. They're like, eh, that happens. That's crazy though. There's like crazy scenes, though.

like where the delivery drivers are coming up and like holy shit and they open the door and the whole house is like busted up and they walk in and nick to meet him is laying there with this dog dead blood everywhere and they rightfully so are like oh my god what the fuck it it's pretty cool i wouldn't have walked into it it's a crime scene brother uh it's a pretty good movie it's just the werewolves their needle teeth that why the small teeth i don't why the small teeth i I liked the little roar scream things it did. It sounded like a T-Rex from like Land Before Time. But, yeah. I enjoyed this one. Since we're talking about, sorry, Phil, since we're talking about werewolves, do you think chances are going to be high or low that you're disappointed with the wolf man?

You know, they actually, they played a trailer for that today, and it was not a trailer I've seen before, and it was much better. The trailer was much better this time around. There was like a scene where she was asking the guy, like, can you understand what I'm saying to you? And it went to his perspective. And she was just, it sounded like Charlie Brown. Yeah. And he was like, what the fuck?

Like, so I'm hoping for some cool shit. But that weird troll man I seen him roam around at fucking Universal Studios and the Wolfman display was not giving me high hopes. Yeah, who was in charge of that to put that out as marketing? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't see that part. But they're doing Wolfman. So they're not doing where.

They're doing smushed face, like, Weirwolf by night, like Benicio de Toro's Wolfman. And that Wolfman design wasn't terrible, Benicio de Taro's, so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, more classic.

I think they're going more. But it would be nice to get a really cool werewolf design. That's not exactly what we get with this one. But I also kind of understand that with the budget. Having said that, I didn't expect anything from this movie since it had like three different names

and I wasn't even sure that I had the right one I was like oh this is going to be a shit show and also I know that there's a whole lot of really shitty werewolf movies out there oh yeah uh so like I started it up and kind of really wasn't paying full attention at the beginning of it and it fucking caught me and pulled me in

once he was blind and I was like oh okay that's interesting I kind of was stuck on it from there like Nick DiMichi pulled me in and made me watch this movie. And it was so much better than it had any business being. Ethan Embry killed it. Yeah. I just like he's doing a good job.

Yeah, I like Ethan Embry a lot. He was kind of a whiny bitch in this movie. That was his role. Yeah, I know. It was his role. But I was like, why are you so pissed? Look, this is obviously the way this guy is. If you haven't accepted that by this point, like, what are you trying to do here?

The man's fighting. You know what the man's got, he's got his dad on one hand, and he's got his wife on the other. And you see he comes back and is like, she's pregnant. We got to move on. Like, he's dealing with a lot at home. We're just not seeing that bit. Right. Mine has just been blown.

The guy that played the werewolf is Lance Guest from the last Starfighter. Huh. Holy crap. The driver? Yeah. Man. That's wild. He looks so familiar.

I just can put my finger on him. but yeah man that from that first werewolf scene where he's fighting the dog and stuff I mean you know the action is not super awesome but Nick Demichie's performance was pretty amazing like I think he totally killed it he played the whole thing real deadpan and stubborn old manny

and it like it made sense Ethan Embry killed it like the acting was just like way better than it should have been in this movie. It didn't make any sense. Weirwolf design, I agree with you on that one. Not awesome. But I've almost stopped looking for good werewolf design in movies. Like, I don't know, I guess you don't really know what a

werewolf is supposed to look like, and so they always make this big, like, slimy, ugly creature. Make it look cool. I feel like the viewers know what a good werewolf supposed to look like and the people that make the movies take that idea and say, we're not going to do that. We're going to do something completely different. Or subverting expectations.

I'm on. Yeah. Me personally, I think that like Bad Moon with, who's in that, Mariel Hemingway and somebody else. Uh, they, like, Bad Moon is like not a good movie, but, and the werewolf transformation is terrible, but the werewolf design is so good. Oh, it's one of the best. Okay. Dog soldiers, one of the best.

That was a pretty good one. That was interesting. But it's like, it's hard. It's hard to do it and make it convincing, you know? Van Helsing was fantastic. Yeah. Not a great movie. Best werewolf design.

So good. That's true. I wouldn't a bad movie I didn't hate Van Helsing When was the last time you watched it? Yeah, it's been a while That movie is cheese city man Oh yeah, no, it totally is

But like I remember watching it And being like, I don't know why this one gets so much hate I didn't hate it I didn't love it But you know It's all like the it's all the slow motion Turnarounds from Kate Begginsale Or like the fucking no

For no reason back flips It's like It's very theatrical But it's fun All right Scores on late phases What do you think, Steve? I'm going to give late phases

A 7.5 All right I think it's pretty good Pretty good But not a very high body count To say So not a lot of kills You get to see on screen

Very cool Whirliff transformation But a bad werewolf was on So 7.5 And not even like a traditional Werewolf movie had like a whole different movie going on in the background. I appreciate it, though.

It's, you get in a main character who is a retired vet, who's a senior citizen. It's not very often you get a main character in an action-oriented horror movie like this. Especially one that's blind. True. Brian? Yeah, I agree with everything, Steve said. I'm going to go slightly higher with a 7.75.

I thought the... Price is right in me again. I thought that acting was outstanding. I love the transformation scenes. Didn't like the design, but I think for most part it was the acting and storytelling. That just kind of drew me in. Yeah. And for that reason, I'm going to give it a solid eight, man.

Nick DiBici was amazing in this movie. He was doing a really good Bronson, you know. But yeah, like, I think it was a good movie without the were the wolves, and then you add that in, and it just makes it better even if they didn't have the best design. But at that point, you're kind of just going with it anyway. So, fun. I would put late phases as one of those, you got to sit through all the bullshit to get to a good werewolf movie. You'll come across this one and be like, oh, it's not bad. Yeah.

Especially after you sit through some terrible werewolf movies, then this thing looks great. Oh, yeah. No, I was really expecting it to suck, and I was like, dude, this is good. All right, we'll see if we think the same thing about the next one. Weirwolves, 2024. Uncle West, why can't you stay? They need me to help them try and stop this. We're the only family we have left.

Two scientists try to stop a mutation that turns people into werewolves after being touched by a super moon the year before. director is Stephen C. Miller, also known for 2012's Silent Night. Writer is Matthew Kennedy, also known for inheritance and Canary Black. The title year two confused some people who thought this was a sequel, but the title refers to the year after the second year, an event that leads people to becoming werewolves. I guess they changed the title so that little bit of information doesn't even make any sense. Steve, what do you think about this movie?

So this trailer was pointed out to me way back when it first dropped from people that listen to my show know that I'm a huge werewolf fan so I've been following this even though I thought the trailers seemed a little iffy, especially with the designs of the werewolves, I wasn't sure.

I was excited to see this. I managed to get to the theater today to check it out. This movie sucks. This is not a lot. a good movie. It is filled with stupid people that say and do stupid fucking things. The movie is bad.

It's a bad movie. It's poorly edited. It's poorly paste. The storytelling is not good. The acting is not good. It is a bad movie from beginning to end. It's quite shocking how bad this is.

It's really bad. Now, the werewolves, there are some cool shit with the werewolves themselves. I didn't think that their whole designs were terrible. Not even like two of them are together. It kind of does look like two guys in suits, kind of just like smacking their forearms at each other. Yeah.

But when they're like in full CGI running around and shit, it looks pretty good. Like the werewolves are pretty cool. I'm not going to knock up the werewolves on this too much. Their faces were a little weird. They had like this weird, like, kind of reminded me of those shoes from, what's it called? Who Fray and Roger Rabbit

Those shoes that could put in the dip Yeah. It kind of remind me to them a little bit. But it was cool. Oh man, we'll get into the spoilers. I have shit to talk about almost every aspect of this movie.

It's, I didn't. Oh, man. This is not a good movie. No, you're not wrong. Brian? I, unfortunately, didn't get a chance to see this. I really wanted to.

after everything Steve said I really want to even more. You have to watch it, dude. So hopefully next week I'll maybe talk about it in cool or not cool the week, whichever one it falls under. Yeah, so yeah, I wouldn't, I'm glad I got a chance to see it today then. Because I barely watched it. But, okay, so I went into this with, maybe a little more optimism.

I didn't think it was going to be good, but, you know, let's see how it goes kind of a thing. So I was just rolling with it. Like when they started it out, and like the movie starts out with, last year there was a super moon, here's all your exposition. All right, now there's going to be werewolves.

Don't tell me. Yeah. Well, and I don't even mind that they did that in like a really immediate fashion. And so I was expecting after that for them to get to the action very quickly. I was like, okay, cool. Get all that story shit out of the way and let me see some werewolves. And it still took them a while to get there. And yeah, aside from that, you're right.

The acting was bad. I didn't hate the story. But the dialogue was awful. Like, duh. No It's so much nothing There's so many lines of pure nothing Yeah

There was even There was even a moment In the middle of the movie Where I was like Why did they even keep that scene in? Oh my God There's a lot There's a lot

And characters just changed So like one minute They're like Uh huh And the next minute They're like I'm fucking badass I'm like What happened

It's like It was like a two minute scene And I was like That didn't serve any purpose All they did was talk to each other for a few seconds, and it didn't progress the story at all. Like the little girl is super cute, but like really fucking annoyed.

Like, what are you doing? Like, if you're going to put yourself in this situation and actually act like there's werewolves outside, maybe shut the fuck up. I mean, I'm saying there's rules laid out and they follow none of them. Right. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't follow any rules. Nothing really makes any sense.

All of the logic is fucked. It is a bad movie, but I had a little bit of fun with it. Oh, I'm glad there's that. There was somebody in our audience that was having fun. But I went and saw my friend Lino. If you have watched The Geeks, you know what Lino is. He's a mainstay on there. And, boy, we barely got down the steps.

And he was like, that was fucking bullshit. I like Frank Grillo. It's going to be hard to come back from some shit like this, though. Frank Grillo. Put your shirt back on. Would you? All right. Let's do scores and spoilers.

Steve, what do you think? Two. That's only for the little bit of cool werewolf shit we got. Yeah. I'm going to go four. Because of the cool werewolf shit. It was one of them had like a fucking biker jacket on. He still had like earrings in his ears and shit.

Yeah, again, no rules. How come he's like that? And there's all those other ones naked. I know. Well, and that was my first thought. Well, we'll get to it in spoilers soon. Oh, God. This movie makes me mad.

It could have been cool. I made, I did it. I did it. Monday morning quarterbacked it. I made a better movie in my head before I went and saw it. before I went and saw this. And then I'm just like, God damn it. Can I get into one of these rooms, please?

Yes. I could just look at these people and say, no, bad. Don't do that. This is one of those that's bad, but it kind of knew what it was. And so they just were throwing shit at the walls, I think. I want to leave you? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warning. warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Spoilers. Because, okay, spoilers. Because that's where I was going with that comment. I was like when

Frank, when Frank Grillo transforms into a werewolf, which I knew was going to happen. Of course. Yeah. I was like, why is he the only werewolf that still has pants on? Well, no, the neighbor still had his bulletproof vest and

fucking his face paint for some fucking reason? Like, how do you still have face paint? Don't get me wrong. I like when you have a bunch of creatures that look the same and you have little nods to be like, oh, I know that one's that. You know?

Right. Because the dude had his face paint in a red, white and blue because he's a fucking jerk off. And he had, and not because he was red white and blue was a jerk off. He was just a jerk off.

Like, you're fucking firing off live rounds in a close quarter neighborhood. Chill, my dude. That's like joining wall. The things you'd like to have to get ready for this, is, you know, ammo. You're wasting it. The shit is not like, fucking, you just have a whole stockpile.

Do you also, do you see Frank Grillo as a former military also scientist, the world's leading cutting edge botanist or whatever to fuck he's. Wait, so. His character did he says. Oh, yeah. He's a scientist, scientist. Yes. And it starts off with a montage of him. putting out traps with his fucking vainy ass arms and shit, you know.

And he puts all these nails into a board. And then, like, he flips it around and, like, it's a solid 45 seconds of him looking at the nails. Touching them and shit. For an hour and a half movie, this seemed long. What are we doing? What are we doing? And then, like, yeah, but it starts off. And it's like, this thing, this crazy-ass thing happened a year ago.

And now we're preparing for it to happen again. And, like, it says that, like, millions of people die. Right. So if millions of people died and it happened all across the world, right? Because that's what the neighbor says. He's like, you see what's going on in Japan and Australia right now? It's fucking. It's coming this way. And that was a cool thought. I'm like, oh, that's cool. Like, they can see the shit's already fucked up over there. And so when it gets over here, it's going to be bad. Cool idea. But if that happened, like, wouldn't you like, wouldn't you like not have neighbors like right next to you? Or if you did, like, go somewhere else for the day. Or me personally, you know what? I would not have. shelter set up or something? Well, they did. Well, see, that's the other thing. Remember they're taking everybody underground in the city? Never went back to that.

Because there was a guy going down there that had like, it was all scarred up and shit was like, oh, he's going to change. And like shit's going to go down there. Never even went back to there. They just left that. Well, and so is everybody affected by this thing? Everybody that their skin got touched by moon. like, which is just weird because the moon doesn't give off light. It's reflecting the sunlight. So it's just

that whole notion. Yeah. That's a good point. So everybody, so everybody that got touched by the moonlight, their skin, they turned into a world of the year before. Right. So, so that's why people that are out are all covered up. So they don't get to have the change or whatever. But like, sort of halfway through the, like, so I, I thought that, you know, some of them were going to to be werewolves and then some of them, you know, were not affected by it. Like it was some mutation and a certain amount of the population. No, it's, which is sort of, you're a werewolf. Okay, yeah. See, that's sort of the impression that they gave off at the beginning. But then, like, halfway through the movie, it was like, oh, if you go outside at all, you're a werewolf.

Yeah, well, the friend girl and the chick could go because they had the eyedrops. They put in, remember? Right, right, right. Yeah, there's magic eyedrops. The moon screen. Moon screen. Right. Like sunscreen, but moon screen. But like it seems like if you're backed into a corner and there's a werewolf like trying to attack your house, you would just, you know, go outside and then also be a werewolf. Right. Well, this is how I would solve this problem. Kids, wife, so I'll go outside.

We're going to be a pack, right? Nobody's going to come fucking eat us. We're going to fuck them up. And in the morning, wherever you are, just make your way back home. All right. Have fun. Have fun. Have a nice night. Exactly. No, we're going to come in here and eat meat. We're going to join them. Like, the logic of this movie didn't make any sense. Yeah, like, we're all just werewolves now. Like, that's way easier than whatever the fuck all you guys are doing.

Yeah. Like, all right. And then, like, is it only people, like, did hunker down or whatever, that makes sense? But then if you get in trouble, just be a werewolf. So it sets up that Frank Grillo, his. brother died the year before and so he's helping take care of his brother's wife and his brother's wife and their kid his sister-in-law and his niece but there's a lot of like we're gonna fuck eyes between sister-in-law and frank grillo like a lot and also the sister-in-law the worst the worst worst character worst dialogue worst acting unbelievable do you see the way that woman was carrying a shotgun? Who the fuck does that? She was like a marching band. What the fuck are you doing? And why are you, what are you talking to the werewolves for? They can't hear you.

They weren't even good one-liners. When he comes back and she's like, there's no shotgun shells left. And he's like, do you use all of them? What'd you do? She's like, it's been a busy night. I'm like, yeah, shooting the fucking walls. Because they weren't inside when you started shooting the damn gun off, you dummy. And you ran out of ammo. You shot through the sheet rock and the ceiling. And now the the sky out there, you've got a shitty house. For real, like, there's no attic? It's just straight, move. It seems like, ooh, the attic would be a good place to hide.

But I guess she doesn't have one. There's a scene where she, like, she's, like, crying hysterically. One scene before, like, oh, my God, I don't know what we can't do is, I can't do this. And then, and then, like, the next scene, she's, like, loading the shotgun. She's like, I am brave. I am strong. No, I's got to fuck with my house. I'm just like

and then the, she's like Oh, I'll fucking kill you And the girl The little girl was like Yeah And I was like Oh I threw up My soul threw up

It left my body And threw up All over everything That one got a pretty big I roll When the little girl was like Yeah Yeah

Oh man I was like Oh that was kind of gross And for some reason In this universe Were rolls are really Into vandalism

They just like banging up cars And shit They get in a big group and just start banging on cars. What are we doing? I don't know what the point is. Any of this.

And then they come across this group, right? They're like military guys. They have like a mini gun on the back of a jeep and shit. They're fucking laying fire. And like, but like, why? I remember? And then so the Frank Grillo and the girl, the girl scientist, they go hide under a car

to get away from the werewolves and the people shooting and shit. And then she's like, I have an idea. Let me test my theory. And she runs out, right? She runs out. After all the military guys get eaten by the liberals. She runs out and she like, the wereos all surround her.

And she's like, roar! In one of this faces. But it was just like that. And then the world, like, roared back. And then Frank Gillow, that's what he did. The bite me from the trailer started lighting off. And the crazy thing he was, is like, she's brave as fuck, right? Because not only did she roar in that monster's face,

but then she hit the deck. And when it showed her. her laying there like this, bullets were flying all around her. It was like the barrel that was like ding ding ding ding, ding. Like Frankl is wild. Because he was shooting a Gatling gun at her. It's a fucking mini gun. No. And all

the where else leave except for one that just stands out like a fucking suction cut for all the bullets. Oh, and I wish they would have established some rules, right? Like the silver, but you need silver? Right. I was wondering that the whole time. Do regular bullets even kill these things? It seems like they do. It seems like you could poke it with a fucking iron rod and it him because Frank Gila does that gets covered in blood.

Next scene, clean. Yeah. The editing's wild. Like, him and the scientists are in this, like, the, so how they started it was like they had like these three werewolf guys in a cage and they were administering this drug to them to see if it would stop them from transforming, right? But then it didn't. So shit goes crazy in that building.

And so like they're, him in this, Frank Golo and the scientists they were trying to get out of the building. And like there's a werewolf there. And they're like, they shoot this air thing and it blows mist all over the warehouse. And they're like, all right, we got to get out of here. Next scene, they're fucking flying ass down the freeway. I'm just like, how do you go?

And I don't mean like something else happened and then that. No, no, no. Like they said that and then fucking headlights. Like that. Like, it was crazy. There's also an awful lot of scenes with like active, like, like, werewolves are actively chasing them. And then they stop.

and turn and look at each other and then have a whole fucking conversation. What, that's when the lady scientist gets killed after they do all that shit with the Gatlin gun, he's like, let's go. She runs, hauls ass back to the Jeep. She gets in there, opens the door, stands there. And then she like steps back, smiles and gets yanked up. And I'm like, what do you get in the fucking car? You are right there.

This is definitely, there's a stupid people alert on this episode for fucking sure. I didn't hate the the werewolf in the in the body armor though like when it first happened I was like wait why is the body armor still there wouldn't that ripped off too I mean they just put a fucking thing around their neck that was like this big so that it would fit normal people yeah way bigger that's which is why the wearer put the earrings threw me off I'm like what the fuck yeah also true how big were these earrings when you're a person Jesus Christ they're huge Pulling your head down.

It was like a, like, I was going up in Southern California. I knew several chicks that had them big ass hoop earrings. And that was the 90s, bro. It was different back then. But yeah, so it didn't make any sense, but it did kind of look cool when it was the werewolf that you could pick out. Oh, that guy's got a stripe on his face and he's got the body armor on. That's kind of a cool looking werewolf. I'll take that.

Didn't mind. Yeah. What I hated. Was that like, so Frank Gorilla, like, they kill all these werewolves. Frank O'Look gets back to the fucking house, right? Oh, you know what was also cool was when Lou Diamond Phillips started transforming in his suit and his little Iron Man suit? That was kind of cool. Yeah, that was cool.

So Frank Grillo was back to the house. The heads-up display they had in there. That was kind of neat. Yeah, the Iron Man look. They all had the, they could look around and you look like the burns in the helmets. So he gets back to the house and, like, it's just him and the neighbor, right? The neighbor is the last fucking werewolf, of course. He's got the vest.

says wolf killer the paint and like the werewolf is just standing outside the house like I'm out here so Frank Grolo does he walks out there and like he like has his moment he's like

there's like there's like rain you know and there's like this slow motion they're badass just staring at each other this man's world and Frank Golo starts talking shit to this werewolf like dressing him down like come on bro if would you shut up this world has no idea what you're talking about yeah and he's like he's like I'm gonna bury you and then he triumphantly looks at the moon like so stupid

and he looked at the movie and he started to transform until he looked at it and the transformation was very short but it didn't look that bad but my whole thing was like why did that other werewolf

just stand there like a fucking yutz while this motherfucker got the power to beat him he just stood there and waited for him to transform this is the worst werewolf ever and then he continues to stand there while Frank Gillo rips his head off like at no point like when Frank Girola is like

grab grab grab the other words just staying in there like hole well yeah at that at that point though I was kind of ready for him to kill him

and get this over with then Frank Gila goes in he's going to kill the sister-in-law oh no but she holds up a picture of your brother don't remember forget your brother and it slows him down long enough for her to use one last shotgun shell that she found the rubble to shoot another hole

in the in the wall and let sunlight through, which magically transforms his freaky girl off screen back into a human with his pants all tight and shit. But he does this slow motion. The sun's coming in. He's covered in fucking sweat. His muscles are glistening slow motion, like lean back and flexes and six back. I'm like, what the fuck? It looks like a goddamn romance novel cover.

And then he turns around like, he like, forearm grabs his sister-in-law. credits. Yeah, the ending was pretty fucking awful. That was the lifetime movie version of a werewolf movie, I think. It was bad. The world that they established didn't make sense in how they were showing it. Like, in my head, here's how it opens up. It opens up with just the family having dinner, right?

They're just sitting down and have dinner. Dad's out, barbecuing, fucking wolf's out. Boom. Breaks into the house. fucking wrecks everybody. Where, title, werewolves. Next title, one year later.

Now you can go on. There you go. That's how you grab a motherfucker right off the top. As it was, the neighbor across the street, that little girl had two werewolves in her house, smash cut away from her, 20 minutes go by, and then she's banging at the front door with a blanket over her head.

How the fuck did she get out of that mess? Doesn't matter because another whirlworth snatches her out of the street. What about the little girl, werewolf in the bodega. That was kind of cool. Except I wish it would have looked more, you know, it looked, it was, it looked like a hoo.

It looked like a hoo from the fucking Greene movies. Yeah, I didn't understand it. I was like, okay, why does she look different? And, like, is not attacking, or I guess a puppy. But he's like talking to her. Because they can't stop talking to these fucking werewolves. I know. They're going to talk back.

This whole movie, they won't shut up to him. They obviously don't understand because they turn into werewolves and kill their loved ones. And then what happened to the, well, I guess the chick's dead, so I guess her, her werewolf husband doesn't matter anymore. Who? The scientist chick. Remember she got snatched up by the little girls? Yeah, I guess she's dead, so her husband that turned into a werewolf at the beginning doesn't really matter anymore. Yeah, well, he's going to come back to, he's going to snap back to reality with the sun and be like, oh, no.

The population is decreased again. I feel like this movie desperately needs a prequel that is way better. Yes. That would make sense. This movie had everything going for it. The story, idea, the concept is awesome. That's awesome. I like the concept.

I would imagine in the year between the werewolves thing, the changes that would have happened in society to force. those people that were were wolves into prisons, into underground bunkers, into something, segregate them from the rest of the very fragile population. The fact that nobody took what seems like any precautions at all. I mean, the sun is going down and motherfuckers are running around on the streets with suitcases and laundry baskets. What the fuck? You do your laundry tomorrow. Right. Remember that crazy-ass thing that happened last year? That's happening again. Look at the news that's happening all over the world.

Like, maybe you're doing your fucking whites. Like, chill out. It doesn't seem flesh out. And why are they so fixated on this one fucking house? Like, they actually had some, you know, like an electric fence. I thought, I thought, you know, there'd be a point. Like, maybe they would have a reason that all these worlds would be conjugating and trying to get into this one house.

But no, like, as far as it seemed like, nobody, the neighbor and this lady didn't really, like, maybe they didn't get along that. I didn't think they had some sort of vendetta. So I don't know why they focused on this one fucking house that had all these problems Like there's so many bad things to get through to try to get into this house Like want to go to that house where there's nothing Like if they're dumb animals and smash cars like street fighter like the rest of the fucking Werewolves for some reason

It had a big idea and told a very small convoluted nonsensical story in it Yeah And the dialogue is just awful there's so many fucking speeches of like Frank Grillo's last words to his niece or what I thought were his last words right because he comes back but he's like no matter what happens when you gotta promise me something when you grow up you're gonna be brave you can be strong promise me that why the fuck are you talking about verbatim there's another scene where like she the mom lady runs into the room and the girl's like playing a video game on her tablet but there's nothing it's just like these video game sounds and she's going to I'm like, ooh. You know, and the mom's like, the mom's like, I need to get on some of that game. And then it flashes to the girl, and it shows her screen, and there's nothing on it.

And she's like, I always beat you at this game. And then the mom's like, who wins it tickling? And then she tickles her. And then it goes to another scene. And I'm like, what the fuck was all that? And why was it even in the movie? What was all that? I don't need any of it.

It was, like, I think it was in the, in, I don't know if it was after they escaped the bodega or when they were just first, like, trying to escape the, uh, the, uh, lab or whatever at the beginning. But like, they're running away and then they just, like, stop and talk to each other. And I, it was just, it was a speech. It was this weird, stupid, convoluted speech from the, from the lady scientist talking, I, I guess, guess she was talking about the dog stuff she's like remember if there's only a couple of them we can run away but if there's a lot of them we have to like out alpha the alpha or something bullshit frank girl's got muscles but they ain't like that yeah that's why she tried to do her roar thing what about what about when they're running remember and they got into the mall thing and then that kid with the gas mask

through the grate down and then you got introduced to this huge society that lives in this mall of neon lights and fucking black paint and the guy had a gas mask remember the purple and gold gas mask? Yeah. 30 seconds. He's like, I'll take you to the tunnels. That's it. You never, what the fuck was going on over there? There was people in cages banging on them? What was all that? Were they werewolves in the cages? I don't know. I wish I would have known. I wish he could have told me. I know. Like, what's with the chains? That did get interesting here for a second. So do some people just live in this weird community in the mall in town? And then there's like a whole military that's like getting people to go on buses underground? Like, I don't understand the

world that you're setting up. I don't, it doesn't make logical sense to me. Logistics. Right. I'm having a lot of big problem with logistics here. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Well, and, you know, maybe take the scene out of the lady playing the imaginary video games or their daughter and, uh, give us some sort of explanation for that place. Maybe cut out all of the lady and her daughter and just give us the scientists are trying to stop this fucking thing and then shit goes out of hand and they're trying to escape. Yeah. Maybe you just get rid of all of that other shit

because none of it fucking matters anyways. When she's like, ready, always ready. And then it like cuts to like this bullshit fucking monster energy drink poster hanging on their wall that says always ready. That's like, what? Like, that's your motto, eh? You're going off of that terrible fucking flaming skull poster in the background. Great.

Great. This movie sucks. This movie did suck. It was a lot. It was a lot of the head. It's getting further down. The werewolf had bigger teeth than late phases, so I'll give them that. True.

But late phases wasn't so much about the werewolves, I think. I mean, it was, but it was more of a character story, you know. Brian, I need you to see this. If only just to be like, wow, I can't believe. I can't believe this. who's better at tickling I gotta see this dialogue that was

there's so many times they tell this little girl no matter what happens no matter what you hear like fuck she's heard this like 12 times tonight you keep shoving her in cabinets and shit

get behind here go under there get under there and then the next second she's running out from that thing and holding your hand and then

they make sure to zoom the camera in on her while she oh yeah the tracking Like four fucking five. There's a camera shot where the camera's going down the hallway. Like, and then it goes right up to her.

And then right when it gets up to her, she's like, she likes looking at the camera. She goes, ah! It's the worst. There's a whole buildup and everything. It's, yeah, it's bad. So I'm glad I went to the theater and saw this. Yeah. I'm glad I made it out.

Well, had that something to complete the list. All right. Uh, as always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at Thehorror Returns at gmail.com or find us at www.thehorrorreturns.com. Uh, follow all the social media stuff from there and hear the latest episode of the show. And, uh, I'll get this sucker up on YouTube pretty quick, which is, I don't think that works in the timeline, but you get the idea. Next week, we're joined by Steve.

Hey, oh, you're coming back? All right. It's up. It's up. And Pedro, to talk about yet two more children of the corn films. Awesome. I'm excited about that. I always like you, Pedro's on.

I've never been able to talk to Pedro. I always like when he's on your show, so that's cool. Oh, yeah. Pedro will have a lot to say about it. I'm sure he's fine. And Pedro will share his top and bottom films of the year. Damn, and I got to make a list. How many? How many?

We usually do top 10 and bottom 10. I don't know what Pedro does. You're going to put together the list? I mean, if Pedro's going to and Phillips go into, then I might, just to toss them two cents on there. Well, we're going to have a whole separate show about it, so I'm going to have to get some sort of list together for that. Oh, yeah. Well, I guess you don't want to try to jam those two shows together. Now, I'm not overstepping my bands.

I'll do whatever you guys want me to do. But if you have a top 10 and bottom 10 list, go ahead. Bottom 10. Wearwolves is in it. Yeah. Weirwolves is fucking in it. It was pretty bad. Damn it, Frank Grillo.

Yeah, motherfucker. So good. And creature commandos. And then go over here yucking it up. I don't know. But until the horror returns again, Brian. Good night.